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How important is creativity in the Classroom

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This is the transcript of #eltchat on How important is creativity in the Classroom" held on 10.10.2012

 

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Shaunwilden 12:00 PM It's 12 BST  so time for #eltchat we'll be talking "How important is creativity in the Classroom"
elawassell 12:02 PM Hello everyone! RT @Shaunwilden: The two articles that prompted the topic http://t.co/xlcixmNL and http://t.co/8k42MPiK #ELTchat
theteacherjames 12:02 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: The two articles that prompted the topic http://t.co/U6DoMRrS and http://t.co/t5BNkY92 #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:02 PM The two articles that prompted the topic http://t.co/U6DoMRrS and http://t.co/t5BNkY92 #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:03 PM @Shaunwilden Only saw one article through the link. Did I miss something? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:03 PM @elawassell Hi Ela so what are your thoughts on creativity? #eltchat
elawassell 12:04 PM @Shaunwilden I‚Äôm somewhere in the middle on this topic. Depends on your Ss age/ needs / purpose for learning English.  #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:04 PM @MarjorieRosenbe It's one newspaper article and one blog post #eltchat
teacherphili 12:05 PM Hello. Been trying to read Hugh's article. Lots of good points but couldn't get through it all. http://t.co/Ydga9pck #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:05 PM @elawassell Is that fence sitting :-) #eltchat
GemL1 12:05 PM Hi, everyone, looking 4ward to my first eltchat #eltchat
rliberni 12:06 PM @GemL1  welcome I'm sure you will get a lot from it :-) #eltchat
teflerinha 12:06 PM #eltchat For me I guess it's about principled creativity (bit like principled eclecticism)!
Shaunwilden 12:06 PM @teacherphili What are the good points? #eltchat
rliberni 12:06 PM RT @teacherphili: RT @teacherphili: Hello. Been trying to read Hugh's article. Lots of good points but couldn't get through it all. http://t.co/Ydga9pck # ...
elawassell 12:06 PM @Shaunwilden Putting me on the spot :P but I wouldn't got for the extreme all the time in the class.
rliberni 12:06 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: It's 12 BST  so time for #eltchat we'll be talking "How important is creativity in the Classroom"
Shaunwilden 12:06 PM @GemL1 Hi Gemma, how do you feel about creativity? #eltchat
esolcourses 12:07 PM RT @MrChrisJWilson: Ai! just arrived for #eltchat where are we at?
theteacherjames 12:07 PM Hi @GemL1, welcome aboard! #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:07 PM Ai! just arrived for #eltchat where are we at?
rliberni 12:07 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: RT @elawassell: What do we define as creativity here?  #ELTchat
teflerinha 12:07 PM #eltchat It's important to be creative for both you and your students..but being effective and principled more important still.
teacherphili 12:07 PM It's a slow start.  Guess people are still trying to wade through Hugh's article.  The Guardian article was ambiguously fine enough #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:07 PM RT @elawassell: What do we define as creativity here?  #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:07 PM @teflerinha Principled creativity, nice phrase :-) #eltchat
rliberni 12:07 PM Can all lessons be creative? #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:07 PM @teacherphili Ditto  #ELTchat
elawassell 12:07 PM What do we define as creativity here?  #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:08 PM I find that ideas come to me while I am yeachinh and I try them out on the spot. If they ork I try to remember them for future. #eltchat
GemL1 12:08 PM RT @teflerinha: RT @teflerinha: #eltchat It's important to be creative for both you and your students..but being effective and principled more important ...
teflerinha 12:08 PM @elawassell Ah..that's another #eltchat ;)
rliberni 12:08 PM @MrChrisJWilson  talking about creativity in the classroom looking for a definition right now #eltchat
jobethsteel 12:08 PM Hello! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:08 PM RT @GemL1: @Shaunwilden I think Ts should use it if it adds value - increases interest/ motivation and there4 participation #eltchat
elawassell 12:08 PM RT @teflerinha: its about principled creativity (bit like principled eclecticism)! <- Agree! now what are the principles? :-)
teacherphili 12:08 PM @MrChrisJWilson haven't missed much. Just defining #creativity #ELTchat
teflerinha 12:08 PM RT @GemL1: RT @GemL1: @Shaunwilden I think Ts should use it if it adds value - increases interest/ motivation and there4 participation #eltchat
GemL1 12:08 PM @Shaunwilden I think Ts should use it if it adds value - increases interest/ motivation and there4 participation #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:08 PM @MrChrisJWilson Hello, just getting going  #eltchat
teflerinha 12:09 PM #eltchat By principled I mean that T has reason for activity other than it's creative or fun
Shaunwilden 12:09 PM @elawassell Erm dont the principlesdepend on what you're being creative for? :-) #eltchat
teflerinha 12:10 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Just did :) #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:10 PM there's a wonderful quote "good artist steal, great artist copy" language is like that a lot #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:10 PM RT @GemL1: RT @GemL1: @Shaunwilden I think Ts should use it if it adds value - increases interest/ motivation and there4 participation #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:10 PM @teflerinha Arh that good phrase "I'm doing this cos it's fun" #eltchat
esolcourses 12:10 PM RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat I quite liked the point that creativity isn't completely linked to originality
theteacherjames 12:10 PM 1 / 2 Quote from Hugh Dellar's piece... #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:10 PM @teflerinha Can you give quick definition of principed? #eltchat
rliberni 12:10 PM I personally think we need to build it into the course or programme as well as the day to day #eltchat
esolcourses 12:10 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: RT @MarjorieRosenbe: I find that ideas come to me while I am yeachinh and I try them out on the spot. If they ork I try to remember them ...
MrChrisJWilson 12:10 PM #eltchat I quite liked the point that creativity isn't completely linked to originality
elawassell 12:11 PM @Shaunwilden 4 me - I wouldn't roll adults on the carpet - but would be happy to play like that with kids - while using LANGUAGE #ELTchat
teflerinha 12:11 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: @teflerinha Arh that good phrase "I'm doing this cos it's fun" #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:11 PM Quote by John Updike. Do you agree? #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:11 PM Creativity is merely a plus name for regular activity (which) becomes creative when the doer cares about doing it right, or better #eltchat
teflerinha 12:11 PM @Shaunwilden #eltchat Sounds like we have observed some similar lessons...
teflerinha 12:12 PM @Shaunwilden Think we have been watching the SAME teachers! #eltchat
esolcourses 12:12 PM @MrChrisJWilson agree. IMO, ceativity often hinges in finding interesting ways to present dry topics that need to be covered, etc #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:12 PM @Shaunwilden @GemL1 Agree. Creativity can add to motivation. I have been doing workshops on engaging activities. Also creative. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:12 PM @teflerinha  Oh yes definitely - usually preceded by let's do this exercise then we'll do sth fun #eltchat
teacherphili 12:12 PM Hugh's conclusion -  If it ain‚Äôt broke, don‚Äôt fix it!  Think it was mostly referring to coursebooks and not changing for sake of it #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:13 PM @elawassell So creativity in this case is you choosing the right approach for the class #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:13 PM Any drama advocates here? Imagine you have some strong opinions on creativity! #eltchat
teflerinha 12:13 PM @esolcourses @MrChrisJWilson Yes, that's definitely part of it. #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:14 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @Shaunwilden @GemL1 Agree. Creativity can add to motivation. I have been doing workshops on engaging activities. Al ...
teacherphili 12:14 PM The story of the 26 page cartoon-based presentation of the past simple and past continuous struck me. #toomuchprep #ELTchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:14 PM #eltchat another good point was about how asking students to learn a language and be creative can be overwhelming.
esolcourses 12:14 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: RT @GemL1: @Shaunwilden I think Ts should use it if it adds value - increases interest/ motivation and there4 participa ...
teacherphili 12:15 PM @Shaunwilden yes, probably. he was arguing 'against' creativity #ELTchat
teflerinha 12:15 PM #eltchat If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got." Henry Ford (1863-1947)- trying new things gd..
theteacherjames 12:15 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: @teacherphili Isnt this a case of over creativity rather than being creative? #eltchat
esolcourses 12:15 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @teacherphili Isnt this a case of over creativity rather than being creative? #eltchat ] sounds like that to me, too
Shaunwilden 12:15 PM @teacherphili Isnt this a case of over creativity rather than being creative? #eltchat
teflerinha 12:15 PM RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat another good point was about how asking students to learn a language and be creative can be overwhelming.
elawassell 12:16 PM #ELTchat @MrChrisJWilson - @carolread made this point very clear in her talk about creativity @ IATEFL PL conf. That was eye opener for me.
Shaunwilden 12:16 PM @teacherphili Yes i've seen him give the talk a couple of times #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:16 PM @MrChrisJWilson If it's done well  creativity shouldn't be a task in and of itself. It should come fairly naturally. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:16 PM @theteacherjames Have used a variety of drama techniques over the years. Thks for reminder. #eltchat
teflerinha 12:16 PM #eltchat ...but not just for the sake of it. Always got to think about what you are trying to achieve
teflerinha 12:17 PM @elawassell @MrChrisJWilson @carolread Can you say more about this? > interesting #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:17 PM @MarjorieRosenbe So would you defend them as an example of "justified creativity"? #eltchat
rliberni 12:17 PM RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: @MrChrisJWilson If it's done well  creativity shouldn't be a task in and of itself. It should come fairly naturally ...
MrChrisJWilson 12:17 PM RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: @MrChrisJWilson If it's done well  creativity shouldn't be a task in and of itself. It should come fairly naturally ...
teacherphili 12:17 PM @Shaunwilden i see. it was a lot to take in in one reading. #ELTchat
teflerinha 12:18 PM RT @esolcourses: RT @esolcourses: @teflerinha @MrChrisJWilson setting up activities in ways that allow scope for creativity is good, but it shouldn't be  ...
esolcourses 12:18 PM @teflerinha @MrChrisJWilson setting up activities in ways that allow scope for creativity is good, but it shouldn't be compulsory #eltchat
teflerinha 12:18 PM @esolcourses @MrChrisJWilson #eltchat Yes, agree. Can be painful seeing T forcing stds to be creative (or trying anyway)
GemL1 12:18 PM @MrChrisJWilson can b, but can also help them relax and isn't it more natural?  #eltchat
elawassell 12:18 PM RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat I quite liked the point that creativity isnt completely linked to originality #ELTchat
rliberni 12:18 PM Do we have a definition yet?#eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:18 PM @Shaunwilden @teacherphili yeah really long. lot's of pet hates #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:18 PM RT @teflerinha: @elawassell @MrChrisJWilson @carolread Can you say more about this? > interesting #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:18 PM @teacherphili Yes I just looked at the post quite long :-) #eltchat
teflerinha 12:19 PM RT @rliberni: Also are we talking about inputs or outputs? #eltchat > Good point- think we're discussing both at once
esolcourses 12:19 PM RT @teflerinha: @esolcourses @MrChrisJWilson #eltchat Yes, agree. Can be painful seeing T forcing stds to be creative (or trying anyway)
rliberni 12:19 PM RT @esolcourses: RT @esolcourses: @teflerinha @MrChrisJWilson setting up activities in ways that allow scope for creativity is good, but it shouldn't be  ...
Shaunwilden 12:19 PM @rliberni  Am not sure we do #eltchat
rliberni 12:19 PM Also are we talking about inputs or outputs? #eltchat
Julian_LEnfant 12:20 PM #ELTchat Some teachers who follow CBs (100-120hr courses) feel their creativity is being suppressed, or they don't have time to be creative.
Shaunwilden 12:20 PM @teflerinha @rliberni  So shall we talk about one then the other then? #eltchat
GemL1 12:20 PM @teflerinha @MrChrisJWilson  agree u need to know ure Ss and set up task well #eltchat
elawassell 12:20 PM @teflerinha @carolread showed Piccasso's attempt on another famous painting - he did it his way - some would call it copying. #ELTchat
teflerinha 12:21 PM @Julian_LEnfant #eltchat But time pressure is a killer- and too much paperwork gets in the way too
MarjorieRosenbe 12:21 PM @theteacherjames Not sure what you mean? They arise out of the moment. Never thought to label them. #eltchat
teflerinha 12:21 PM @Julian_LEnfant #eltchat Think you can be creative w/ CB because u have structure to bounce off #shewouldsaythat
MrChrisJWilson 12:21 PM RT @Julian_LEnfant: RT @Julian_LEnfant: #ELTchat Some teachers who follow CBs (100-120hr courses) feel their creativity is being suppressed, or they don't h ...
rliberni 12:22 PM @Shaunwilden  I guess that they are connected but trying to focus a bit #eltchat
antoniaclare 12:22 PM Sorry I'm late, #eltchat is all about creativity today, right?
elawassell 12:22 PM RT @teflerinha: @Julian_LEnfant #eltchat Think you can be creative w/ CB because u have structure to bounce off #shewouldsaythat #ELTchat
teacherphili 12:22 PM Time is usually the barrier, not the potential for being creative #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:22 PM @Julian_LEnfant You can be creative with a cbk exercise itself #eltchat
elawassell 12:22 PM @teflerinha or see Monalisa paintings on @hughdellar's blog. #ELTchat
rliberni 12:23 PM @Shaunwilden  so how can teachers be more creative in the classroom - examples? & how does that engender creativity in the ss #eltchat
teacherphili 12:23 PM Ss were very 'creative' trying to get me onto topics I was not supposed to talk about.  #ELTchat
esolcourses 12:23 PM RT @teacherphili: Time is usually the barrier, not the potential for being creative #ELTchat ] agree. T's often expected to do too much!
teflerinha 12:23 PM #eltchat What I got from @hughdellar blog was that being too open with tasks can lead to ss going blank- constraints can be helpful
Shaunwilden 12:23 PM @antoniaclare @teacherphili  But this makes it sound like not being creative is a bad thing which it isn't #eltchat
Julian_LEnfant 12:23 PM @teflerinha #ELTchat This is what I tell Ts.Having a foundation can lead to more informed decisions.Some Ts prefer the academic freedom thou
teacherphili 12:23 PM Teaching in Saudi, I had to be 'creative' with CBs due to their very dry, 'uncontroversial' topics #ELTchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:23 PM are we going to use poetry as an example for creativity? There are usually rules for different forms but not every poem is the same #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:23 PM @antoniaclare  Hi yes creativity it is #eltchat
antoniaclare 12:23 PM RT @teacherphili: Time is usually the barrier, not the potential for being creative #ELTchat Good point.  Time and syllabus pressure
teacherphili 12:24 PM Creativity is something I guess most of us do or would like to do, but constraints (eg Ss must pass exam by 'x') get in the way #ELTchat
esolcourses 12:24 PM RT @antoniaclare: T creativity and S creativity both key elements in the classroom methinks #eltchat
GemL1 12:24 PM RT @teflerinha: RT @teflerinha: @Julian_LEnfant #eltchat Think you can be creative w/ CB because u have structure to bounce off #shewouldsaythat
theteacherjames 12:24 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Sorry, was trying to reflect the point of view that creativity needs to be justified not a given. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:24 PM Anyone know Disney creativity strategy from NLP? Dreamer, realist & critic must agree to make it work. Activity on PEO. #eltchat
antoniaclare 12:24 PM T creativity and S creativity both key elements in the classroom methinks #eltchat
teflerinha 12:24 PM @Julian_LEnfant #eltchat Fair enough, we all work differently.
GemL1 12:24 PM @Julian_LEnfant think it's sumtimes more important for Ts to try & b  creative if always use a CB to keep classes varied #eltchat
teflerinha 12:25 PM RT @antoniaclare: RT @antoniaclare: I think Ts can be creative just by trying something new, doing things differently.  They don't need to be 'artistic' # ...
esolcourses 12:25 PM RT @teacherphili: RT @teacherphili: Creativity is something I guess most of us do or would like to do, but constraints (eg Ss must pass exam by 'x') get i ...
teflerinha 12:25 PM @elawassell @hughdellar Will look again- very long blog post! #eltchat
rliberni 12:25 PM RT @antoniaclare: RT @antoniaclare: I think Ts can be creative just by trying something new, doing things differently.  They don't need to be 'artistic' # ...
antoniaclare 12:25 PM I think Ts can be creative just by trying something new, doing things differently.  They don't need to be 'artistic' #eltchat
elawassell 12:25 PM RT @MrChrisJWilson: another good point was about how asking students to learn a language and be creative can be overwhelming. #ELTchat
rliberni 12:25 PM When I trained we were encouraged to use a lot of drama (as part of presentation) & role play (things were less serious then :-) #eltchat
teacherphili 12:26 PM Did we get a definition?  Making materials from scratch? Adapting CB matrl? Originality? A cluster of skills to fashion a product? #ELTchat
antoniaclare 12:26 PM Need 2 remember that little 'c' creativity is the small things we do every day, how we approach a prob, arrange flowers, cook a meal#eltchat
rliberni 12:26 PM @antoniaclare  creativity can also be a way of thinking about things I think too (like using mind-maps and lateral thinking) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:26 PM @rliberni  though i would encourage creativity in the taking a risk and having a go sense #eltchat
Julian_LEnfant 12:26 PM @teflerinha #ELTchat We have a more structured syllabus now & the concern from Ts is that they don't have the time to be creative.
Shaunwilden 12:26 PM @rliberni To be honest I would rather the sts could use the language for themselves then be creative with it #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:26 PM @theteacherjames Do we need to justify it? If something works for me I do it but it might not work for someone else. #eltchat
elawassell 12:26 PM RT @antoniaclare: I think Ts can be creative just by trying something new, doing things differently.  They dont need to be artistic #ELTchat
esolcourses 12:26 PM RT @antoniaclare: RT @antoniaclare: I think Ts can be creative just by trying something new, doing things differently.  They don't need to be 'artistic' # ...
rliberni 12:27 PM RT @MrChrisJWilson: RT @MrChrisJWilson: Okay stirring things up time. Does creativity need to be "justified"? can''t experiments yield more interesting resu ...
teflerinha 12:27 PM @Julian_LEnfant Think that can be a problem- syllabus OK as basis, but need room to breathe too #eltchat
rliberni 12:27 PM RT @antoniaclare: RT @antoniaclare: Need 2 remember that little 'c' creativity is the small things we do every day, how we approach a prob, arrange flower ...
antoniaclare 12:27 PM @Shaunwilden I think if we get sts using the language to say something meaningful, then they are being creative #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:27 PM Anything we do should be comfortable for us or we wont convince the sts of its value. #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:27 PM Okay stirring things up time. Does creativity need to be "justified"? can''t experiments yield more interesting results #eltchat
rliberni 12:27 PM @Shaunwilden isn't that creative then rather than reacting to set exercises? #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:28 PM Playing devil's advocate, are ELT teachers over reliant on creativity & not focused enough on the (hard) work? #eltchat @MarjorieRosenbe
michaelegriffin 12:28 PM RT @teflerinha: RT @teflerinha: #eltchat If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got." Henry Ford (1863-1947)- tr ...
esolcourses 12:28 PM @antoniaclare  good point, Antonia. Think people sometimes make that assumption & confuse creative thinking with artistic ability #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:28 PM RT @elawassell: RT @elawassell: agree!RT @Shaunwilden: @rliberni To be honest I would rather the sts could use the language for themselves then be creat ...
antoniaclare 12:28 PM RT @rliberni: creativity can also be a way of thinking about things I think too (like using mind-maps and lateral thinking) #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:28 PM @antoniaclare Agree. Andrew White's soap opera activity is perfect example. #eltchat
rliberni 12:28 PM RT @antoniaclare: RT @antoniaclare: @Shaunwilden I think if we get sts using the language to say something meaningful, then they are being creative #eltchat
elawassell 12:28 PM agree!RT @Shaunwilden: @rliberni To be honest I would rather the sts could use the language for themselves then be creative with it #ELTchat
teacherphili 12:28 PM I'm all for a bit of c-type creativity @antoniaclare #ELTchat
Julian_LEnfant 12:28 PM @teacherphili #ELTchat I'm leaning towards adaptation, but couldn't it be all of the above?
rliberni 12:28 PM @MrChrisJWilson  no and yes I think #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:29 PM RT @theteacherjames: ......are ELT teachers over reliant on creativity & not focused enough on the (hard) work? #eltchat
elawassell 12:29 PM @Shaunwilden True! first they need to have some language - to be able to be creative with it. #ELTchat
GemL1 12:29 PM @MrChrisJWilson 2certain extent, shouldn't b creative for sake of it, but shud try sumthing new if we think it might benefit Ss #eltchat
teacherphili 12:29 PM @theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe Guilty as charged! #ELTchat
esolcourses 12:29 PM RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: Playing devil's advocate, are ELT teachers over reliant on creativity & not focused enough on the (hard) work?  ...
teflerinha 12:29 PM @MrChrisJWilson Well, of course u should ;) Bt actually u can praps b more creative w/CB u don't like & still benefit frm structure #eltchat
antoniaclare 12:29 PM @MarjorieRosenbe I don't know that one, but it sounds fun ;) #eltchat
esolcourses 12:30 PM @theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe I think if you remove creativity from the equation, lessons could become quite dull... #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:30 PM @teacherphili Depends if we mean creativity by the teacher in the prep & delivery of activities or by the students in doing them. #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:30 PM Soap opera. Sts think of small problem they had, tell so who changes a detail, tells next sts etc till T stops it. #eltchat rest in next
MrChrisJWilson 12:30 PM #eltchat this topic really is so dense isn't it! we could talk about syllabus structure, lesson activities, material input ...
antoniaclare 12:30 PM @esolcourses Yes, which is why so many people say '...but I'm not creative/I can't do that.'  Important to take the pressure off #eltchat
teflerinha 12:30 PM @MrChrisJWilson #eltchat Ah, thought you meant I thought everyone shoukld buy MY books...
teflerinha 12:31 PM RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: @teacherphili Depends if we mean creativity by the teacher in the prep & delivery of activities or by the stude ...
elawassell 12:31 PM RT @antoniaclare: .. Yes, which is why so many people say ...but Im not creative/I cant do that. Important to take the pressure off #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:31 PM @esolcourses @theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe So what do you mean by creativity here then #eltchat
Julian_LEnfant 12:31 PM RT @esolcourses: RT @esolcourses: @theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe I think if you remove creativity from the equation, lessons could become quite dull.. ...
Shaunwilden 12:32 PM For those just joining the topic is "How important is creativity in the Classroom #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:32 PM @Julian_LEnfant @esolcourses @theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe Absolutely, but that can lead to the temptation to 'over-create'. #eltchat
rliberni 12:32 PM RT @MrChrisJWilson: RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat this topic really is so dense isn't it! we could talk about syllabus structure, lesson activities, material ...
teacherphili 12:32 PM @esolcourses  ...dull for the S & teacher too.  I, for one, have done plenty of deviating from the book to keep myself interested #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:32 PM Lasy st tells last story they heard, sts try to recognise own story. Practises past tense & is creative. #eltchat
rliberni 12:32 PM RT @esolcourses: RT @esolcourses: @antoniaclare  good point, Antonia. Think people sometimes make that assumption & confuse creative thinking with ar ...
Shaunwilden 12:32 PM @SueAnnan Creativity #eltchat
rliberni 12:32 PM RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: Playing devil's advocate, are ELT teachers over reliant on creativity & not focused enough on the (hard) work?  ...
SueAnnan 12:32 PM #eltchat  hello everyone. What's the topic?
rliberni 12:33 PM RT @esolcourses: RT @esolcourses: @theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe I think if you remove creativity from the equation, lessons could become quite dull.. ...
esolcourses 12:33 PM @theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden my idea of creativity is delivering lessons in ways that motivate & engage learners #eltchat
SueAnnan 12:33 PM @Shaunwilden thanks #eltchat
rliberni 12:33 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Soap opera. Sts think of small problem they had, tell so who changes a detail, tells next sts etc till T stops it.  ...
antoniaclare 12:33 PM @theteacherjames I would say that if we don't tap into sts' creativity, then real learning is unlikely to happen #eltchat
rliberni 12:33 PM @MrChrisJWilson  this is the problem and we don't yet have a definition to focus the chat I feel #eltchat
elawassell 12:33 PM @esolcourses for me it's a matter of balance - make it interesting but don't do it for sake of just having fun. Focus on aims  #ELTchat
GemL1 12:33 PM @theteacherjames definitely think sometimes creativity can be seen as more important than a focus for the lesson #eltchat
esolcourses 12:34 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames @teacherphili @elawassell in other words, not just 'phoning it in' I suppose #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:34 PM @MrChrisJWilson hang on you won your topic so you do the summary thats the rules innit ;-) #eltchat
rliberni 12:34 PM @SueAnnan  creativity, trying to get a working definition any suggestions@ #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:34 PM @theteacherjames Are they mutually exclusive? Keeping sts interest & motivation high is my goal in classroom. HW can be hard work. #eltchat
GemL1 12:34 PM RT @antoniaclare: RT @antoniaclare: @theteacherjames I would say that if we don't tap into sts' creativity, then real learning is unlikely to happen #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:34 PM RT @GemL1: RT @GemL1: @theteacherjames definitely think sometimes creativity can be seen as more important than a focus for the lesson #eltchat
teacherphili 12:34 PM I've learned not to deviate too much from lesson aim.  Too much 'c'-type.  Appropriate level reqd given time constraints, Ss needs #ELTchat
Marisa_C 12:34 PM RT @antoniaclare: RT @antoniaclare: I think Ts can be creative just by trying something new, doing things differently.  They don't need to be 'artistic' # ...
antoniaclare 12:34 PM being creative is what is going to keep your learners interested and engaged #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:34 PM @rliberni I'd hate to do the summary for this, far to many tangents! #eltchat
rliberni 12:34 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: @esolcourses @theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe So what do you mean by creativity here then #eltchat
teflerinha 12:35 PM RT @elawassell: RT @elawassell: @esolcourses for me it's a matter of balance - make it interesting but don't do it for sake of just having fun. Focus on ...
rliberni 12:35 PM @Shaunwilden  I second that! Yes (from now on anyway Lol) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:35 PM RT @theteacherjames: @GemL1 Yes, the language focus should be front and centre. #ELTchat
theteacherjames 12:35 PM @GemL1 Yes, the language focus should be front and centre. #ELTchat
elawassell 12:35 PM :-) RT @Shaunwilden: @MrChrisJWilson hang on you won your topic so you do the summary thats the rules innit ;-) #ELTchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:35 PM @Shaunwilden eeek! I'm very happy to do it (looks like a long weekend of writing then) #eltchat
teflerinha 12:35 PM @MrChrisJWilson @rliberni @shaunwilden #eltchat That's a creative excuse, Chris!
esolcourses 12:35 PM RT @elawassell: RT @elawassell: @esolcourses for me it's a matter of balance - make it interesting but don't do it for sake of just having fun. Focus on ...
esolcourses 12:36 PM @theteacherjames @Julian_LEnfant @MarjorieRosenbe agree the temptation to over-create is there sometimes, & needs to be resisted :) #eltchat
teflerinha 12:36 PM RT @rliberni: RT @rliberni: @theteacherjames  isn't language a creative thing anyway? #eltchat
rliberni 12:36 PM @theteacherjames  isn't language a creative thing anyway? #eltchat
teflerinha 12:36 PM @MrChrisJWilson Yes, that's my view anyway #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:36 PM I also like crrative HW. One task is to write about an important first. Wonderful stories & controlled practice. #eltchat
elawassell 12:36 PM RT @theteacherjames: @GemL1 Yes, the language focus should be front and centre. #ELTchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:36 PM #eltchat so if i'm right we all believe in changing activities/creating new ones but we need to have some reason behind our changes. right?
theteacherjames 12:36 PM RT @antoniaclare: RT @antoniaclare: @theteacherjames I would say that if we don't tap into sts' creativity, then real learning is unlikely to happen #eltchat
rliberni 12:36 PM RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: @GemL1 Yes, the language focus should be front and centre. #ELTchat
antoniaclare 12:37 PM I'm very 'creatively ' burning my lunch at the moment #eltchat ;) apologies if I keep missing things
elawassell 12:37 PM @MrChrisJWilson Let me quote: "If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!" #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:37 PM Is creativity just trying sth new and different? #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:37 PM RT @esolcourses: RT @esolcourses: @theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden my idea of creativity is delivering lessons in ways that motivate &  ...
theteacherjames 12:37 PM @antoniaclare I tend to agree with you, but wonder if sometimes we over emphasise this aspect. #ELTchat
teacherphili 12:37 PM RT @elawassell: @esolcourses for me it's a matter of balance - make it interesting but don't do it for sake of  fun. #ELTchat  >Agreed!
rliberni 12:38 PM RT @MrChrisJWilson: RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat so if i'm right we all believe in changing activities/creating new ones but we need to have some reason beh ...
theteacherjames 12:38 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @theteacherjames Are they mutually exclusive? Keeping sts interest & motivation high is my goal in classroom. H ...
Shaunwilden 12:38 PM @theteacherjames @esolcourses @MarjorieRosenbe I can see where you are leading us here James :-) #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:38 PM @elawassell oooo! what about incremental improvements rather than completely changing an activitiy #eltchat
teacherphili 12:38 PM RT @antoniaclare: I'm very 'creatively ' burning my lunch at the moment #eltchat ;) -> was it a meal you created yourself?
antoniaclare 12:38 PM @theteacherjames Well, I agree that the language aim should be very clear.  We are teaching language, not creativity #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:38 PM @rliberni @MrChrisJWilson Agreed I think we are all interpreting creativity in different ways #eltchat #eltchat
PinoyEduTreker 12:38 PM RT @antoniaclare: RT @antoniaclare: I think Ts can be creative just by trying something new, doing things differently.  They don't need to be 'artistic' # ...
teflerinha 12:38 PM RT @esolcourses: RT @esolcourses: @theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden my idea of creativity is delivering lessons in ways that motivate &  ...
theteacherjames 12:38 PM @esolcourses @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden Which means the creativity comes from you more than from the students. #ELTchat
esolcourses 12:38 PM @MarjorieRosenbe creative homework is good, but again, I'd say it shouldn't be compulsory, unless it is on the syllabus #eltchat
teflerinha 12:38 PM #eltchat As well as not having to b original, creativity doesn't have to b complicated. Sometimes little tweak makes the difference #eltchat
SueAnnan 12:39 PM RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: @MarjorieRosenbe It's all about the balance between them, I think. #ELTchat
elawassell 12:39 PM @MrChrisJWilson that's the way!
MarjorieRosenbe 12:39 PM @esolcourses Syllabus says past tense which is what the stories are. They also do grammar exercises to practice. #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:39 PM @MarjorieRosenbe It's all about the balance between them, I think. #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:39 PM RT @Marisa_C: @MrChrisJWilson #eltchat agree that creativity and pedagogy should not be in conflict; hence need to understand it.
ELGazette 12:39 PM RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: Playing devil's advocate, are ELT teachers over reliant on creativity & not focused enough on the (hard) work?  ...
Marisa_C 12:39 PM @MrChrisJWilson #eltchat agree that creativity and pedagogy should not be in conflict; hence need to understand it.
rliberni 12:40 PM @MrChrisJWilson  yes, but fun or change of pace or relaxation could be valid reasons as well as pedagogical ones I think #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:40 PM @CeciELT  Hi Ce - it's about creativity in the classroom #eltchat
teflerinha 12:40 PM RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: @rliberni Yes, but there's a lot of graft in there too! #ELTChat
teacherphili 12:40 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Keeping sts interest & motivation high is my goal in classroom.>  Agreed, this is also a lesson aim! #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:40 PM @theteacherjames @esolcourses @Shaunwilden I try to encourage them as well to be creative. #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:40 PM @rliberni Yes, but there's a lot of graft in there too! #ELTChat
IHLondon 12:40 PM @rliberni @theteacherjames Creativity in everyday language. Reminds me of my degree. Maybin, Carter, Bahktin. Ahh the memories. #eltchat
CeciELT 12:40 PM Am I too late for #ELTchat? What's the topic?
elawassell 12:40 PM RT @Marisa_C: @MrChrisJWilson #eltchat agree that creativity and pedagogy should not be in conflict; hence need to understand it. #ELTchat
rliberni 12:41 PM RT @antoniaclare: RT @antoniaclare: @theteacherjames Well, I agree that the language aim should be very clear.  We are teaching language, not creativity # ...
esolcourses 12:41 PM RT @theteacherjames: We shouldn't forget that it takes a lot of hard work to be successfully creative. No art without graft. #ELTChat
theteacherjames 12:41 PM We shouldn't forget that it takes a lot of hard work to be successfully creative. No art without graft. #ELTChat
rliberni 12:41 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Is creativity just trying sth new and different? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:41 PM @elawassell  It's a key word in teaching isn't it? #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:41 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @Marisa_C: #eltchat and think @hughdellar post misrepresents it. A bunch of CELTA trainees misunderstanding it does not mean it is no ...
SophiaKhan4 12:41 PM @CeciELT #ELTchat I'm here late too - lots of threads flying around tonight!
elawassell 12:41 PM Word 'balance' appears a lot here :-)  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 12:41 PM #eltchat and think @hughdellar post misrepresents it. A bunch of CELTA trainees misunderstanding it does not mean it is not needed
antoniaclare 12:42 PM My scoopit on creativity for extra reading http://t.co/bBxgZJq3 #eltchat.  Sorry, but having to zoom in and out
theteacherjames 12:42 PM RT @antoniaclare: RT @antoniaclare: @theteacherjames Well, I agree that the language aim should be very clear.  We are teaching language, not creativity # ...
esolcourses 12:42 PM RT @Marisa_C #eltchat & think @hughdellar post misrepresents it. A bunch of CELTA trainees misunderstanding it doesn't mean it is not needed
Shaunwilden 12:42 PM @Marisa_C @hughdellar Agreed but sometimes it is overdone and the actual language point lost #eltchat
rliberni 12:42 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @Marisa_C: @MrChrisJWilson #eltchat agree that creativity and pedagogy should not be in conflict; hence need to understand it.
MarjorieRosenbe 12:42 PM Sts get reward stickers from me when they find alternative answers to questions I set. Esp if I hadn't thought of answer myself. #eltchat
antoniaclare 12:42 PM @teacherphili  certo :)) #eltchat
rliberni 12:43 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @Marisa_C: #eltchat and think @hughdellar post misrepresents it. A bunch of CELTA trainees misunderstanding it does not mean it is no ...
Marisa_C 12:43 PM @Shaunwilden #eltchat well, some do bad drills too but we don't assume drills are not needed
rliberni 12:43 PM @CeciELT  HI Ceci :-) creativity - v/ broad at the mo :-) #eltchat
teacherphili 12:43 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @rliberni it's that and more. c-type creativity could be adapting something dry + irrelevant to the Ss environment #ELTchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:43 PM @Marisa_C to be fair it wasn't just CELTA trainees it was also teachers who don't want to "suppress someone's creativity." #eltchat
rliberni 12:44 PM RT @antoniaclare: RT @antoniaclare: My scoopit on creativity for extra reading http://t.co/bBxgZJq3 #eltchat.  Sorry, but having to zoom in and out
SueAnnan 12:44 PM #eltchat  doesn't the teacher need to know their own material well to be able to exploit it? Then the pedagogy is still the most important
rliberni 12:44 PM @Shaunwilden  it is a current buzz word yes -  in all edu #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:44 PM @MrChrisJWilson Surely a whole new topic? #eltchat
elawassell 12:44 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Its a key word in teaching isnt it? <-- also for fence sitting :D  #ELTchat
ELGazette 12:44 PM RT @Study_Group: RT @Study_Group: Paul Dummett will be giving a talk on the Power of the Image & forms of communication at #BELTE this month http://t ...
MrChrisJWilson 12:44 PM If I may can we chat about using song/poetry etc as material in the class. Also mentioned in the article. Pro/Con #eltchat
rliberni 12:44 PM RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: We shouldn't forget that it takes a lot of hard work to be successfully creative. No art without graft. #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 12:44 PM @Marisa_C I didnt say it wasnt needed #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:45 PM @MrChrisJWilson There are too many threads already  IMO #eltchat
rliberni 12:45 PM RT @MrChrisJWilson: RT @MrChrisJWilson: If I may can we chat about using song/poetry etc as material in the class. Also mentioned in the article. Pro/Con #e ...
elawassell 12:45 PM RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden #eltchat well, some do bad drills too but we dont assume drills are not needed #ELTchat
theteacherjames 12:45 PM @esolcourses @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden Agreed, as long it's very focused on a language goal as the end game. #eltchat
Yohimar 12:45 PM RT @esolcourses: RT @esolcourses: RT @theteacherjames: We shouldn't forget that it takes a lot of hard work to be successfully creative. No art without g ...
MrChrisJWilson 12:45 PM @Shaunwilden well it's creativity in the classroom mentioned in one the articles (happy to drop it though esp as 15mins left!) #eltchat
teacherphili 12:45 PM The 1st article mentions Einstein.  He is quoted as saying "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." #ELTchat
rliberni 12:45 PM RT @MrChrisJWilson: RT @MrChrisJWilson: @Marisa_C to be fair it wasn't just CELTA trainees it was also teachers who don't want to "suppress someone's creati ...
rliberni 12:46 PM RT @dBr_wn: RT @dBr_wn: Demonstrating my framework for creativity at KOTESOL next week. Any feedback welcome. http://t.co/yzojQwN1 #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:46 PM @rliberni what's the buzz word? Creativity? I think wothout it we could just film a teacher & play the video & pop in for q's. #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:46 PM @Shaunwilden ok, question withdrawn #eltchat
dBr_wn 12:46 PM Demonstrating my framework for creativity at KOTESOL next week. Any feedback welcome. http://t.co/yzojQwN1 #ELTchat
SophiaKhan4 12:46 PM @MrChrisJWilson @Marisa_C And he also said he was caught up in doing it himself for many years? I was too, all the cutting up etc...#Eltchat
Marisa_C 12:46 PM ‚Äú@rliberni: @Shaunwilden  it is a current buzz word yes -  in all edu #eltchat‚Äù
MrChrisJWilson 12:46 PM @rliberni @Shaunwilden there really does seam a movement of people encouraging more students to be more original #eltchat
rliberni 12:46 PM RT @SueAnnan: RT @SueAnnan: #eltchat  doesn't the teacher need to know their own material well to be able to exploit it? Then the pedagogy is still th ...
CeciELT 12:47 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @rliberni what's the buzz word? Creativity? I think wothout it we could just film a teacher & play the video &a ...
MrChrisJWilson 12:47 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @rliberni isn't that what many people are trying to do with the "flipped classroom"? #cynical #eltchat
rliberni 12:48 PM @MrChrisJWilson  it's an aspect of it yes. Have you tried it? #eltchat
teacherphili 12:48 PM Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that’s creative. (Charlie Mingus) #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:48 PM @teflerinha @SophiaKhan4 @MrChrisJWilson @Marisa_C  Haha you can just see that happening though :-) #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:48 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @Marisa_C: #eltchat and think @hughdellar post misrepresents it. A bunch of CELTA trainees misunderstanding it does not mean it is no ...
CeciELT 12:48 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @rliberni Is the buzz around teaching creatively or teaching our SS to be creative with the language? #eltchat
rliberni 12:48 PM @MarjorieRosenbe  what i meant -currently it's everywhere in educational chats, blogs, articles etc.. etc.. not making any judgment #eltchat
teflerinha 12:48 PM @SophiaKhan4 @MrChrisJWilson @Marisa_C Does any1 remember skit about TEFL couple cutting up newspaper at breakfast to make jigsaw? #eltchat
esolcourses 12:49 PM @theteacherjames perhaps I could have phrased that one better :-) #eltchat
SophiaKhan4 12:49 PM @teacherphili #eltchat I love that!
Marisa_C 12:49 PM @teflerinha  #eltchat no don't remember that. But a good laugh I bet
SophiaKhan4 12:49 PM RT @teacherphili: RT @teacherphili: Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that’s creative. (Charl ...
esolcourses 12:49 PM @theteacherjames not necessarily... if the focus of the lesson that I'm delivering is on ways to encourage them to be creative ;-) #eltchat
SophiaKhan4 12:49 PM @teflerinha @MrChrisJWilson @Marisa_C lol! no but can imagine :) #eltchat
teflerinha 12:49 PM @Marisa_C @theteacherjames @hughdellar Don't think he said it wasn't needed, just that it could get in the way #eltchat
cgoodey 12:50 PM RT @teacherphili: RT @teacherphili: Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that’s creative. (Charl ...
CeciELT 12:50 PM @rliberni @MarjorieRosenbe Maybe it's the buzz word because we're trying to move away from trad teaching? #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:50 PM @rliberni not really. not yet at least.  any resources on it? #eltchat
rliberni 12:50 PM @CeciELT  aha, that is the question it's just 'creativity' & we've struggled to define it and focus on an aspect - v wide I think #eltchat
rliberni 12:51 PM @MrChrisJWilson  loads in #edchat  http://t.co/nYfkAqCN two camps on it I think #eltchat
CeciELT 12:51 PM @Shaunwilden And forcing Ts to narrow it down would be UNcreative, right? ;-) #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:51 PM @esolcourses The language of creativity perhaps? ;-) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:51 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Crestivity has to be natural and fit to situation. not used just to use it. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:51 PM Crestivity has to be natural and fit to situation. not used just to use it. #eltchat
elawassell 12:51 PM RT @teacherphili: RT @teacherphili: Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that’s creative. (Charl ...
teacherphili 12:51 PM I do like that idea of creativity being the act of making sth complicated seem  simple.  Is that not what a good T should do? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:51 PM @CeciELT @rliberni No noone wanted to :-) #eltchat
SueAnnan 12:52 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @Marisa_C: I guess this is the wrong crowd of ppl to debate against being a creative teacher #eltchat all ts here demonstrate it one  ...
MrChrisJWilson 12:52 PM @rliberni I'll take a look after #eltchat
CeciELT 12:52 PM @teacherphili Love that definition! It does take lots of creativity for doing that effectively #eltchat
rliberni 12:52 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @Marisa_C: I guess this is the wrong crowd of ppl to debate against being a creative teacher #eltchat all ts here demonstrate it one  ...
MarjorieRosenbe 12:52 PM Reteaching is creative. If some learners dont get it the first time find new and different way to present material. #eltchat
rliberni 12:52 PM @Shaunwilden @CeciELT  still spinning in circles :-) #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:52 PM thinking about art class at school. We were given a theme (still life, modernism etc) and then given time to make a painting/sketch #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:52 PM I guess this is the wrong crowd of ppl to debate against being a creative teacher #eltchat all ts here demonstrate it one way or another :-)
theteacherjames 12:52 PM RT @teacherphili: RT @teacherphili: I do like that idea of creativity being the act of making sth complicated seem  simple.  Is that not what a good T sho ...
Shaunwilden 12:52 PM RT @teacherphili: I do like that idea of creativity being  making sth complicated seem simple. Is that not what a good T should do? #ELTchat
CeciELT 12:52 PM RT @teacherphili: RT @teacherphili: I do like that idea of creativity being the act of making sth complicated seem  simple.  Is that not what a good T sho ...
rliberni 12:53 PM @MrChrisJWilson  muyy daughter at Art School now - all about problem solving - which brings me can to  lateral thinking hehe #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:53 PM RT @esolcourses:  As a teacher I see my role as being there to facilitate learning, and prepare lessons accordingly #eltchat
SophiaKhan4 12:53 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: RT @teacherphili: I do like that idea of creativity being  making sth complicated seem simple. Is that not what a good  ...
theteacherjames 12:53 PM @Marisa_C I did my best! #devilsadvocate #ELTchat
esolcourses 12:53 PM @theteacherjames maybe so. ;) As a teacher I see my role as being there to facilitate learning, and prepare lessons accordingly #eltchat
teflerinha 12:53 PM #eltchat As well as principles, I think structure is important too. Constraints can spark creativity more than too much openness
Marisa_C 12:53 PM @teacherphili making sth complicated look simple is the mark of a skilled performer - in any field, not just teaching #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:53 PM @teacherphili nice :) #eltchat
teflerinha 12:54 PM RT @teacherphili: RT @teacherphili: RT @Shaunwilden: RT @esolcourses: I see my role as being there to facilitate learning, and prepare lessons accordingly ...
teacherphili 12:54 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @esolcourses: I see my role as being there to facilitate learning, and prepare lessons accordingly #eltchat > hear, hear
Shaunwilden 12:54 PM RT @CeciELT: Does anyone else have a feeling ppl relate being creative w/ "fireworks" and a show-when it is not necessarily that? #eltchat
teflerinha 12:54 PM RT @CeciELT: RT @CeciELT: Does anyone else have a feeling many ppl relate being creative w/ "fireworks" and a show - when it is not necessarily that? ...
CeciELT 12:54 PM Does anyone else have a feeling many ppl relate being creative w/ "fireworks" and a show - when it is not necessarily that? #eltchat
cybraryman1 12:54 PM My Creativity page: http://t.co/5xLH2DN4 “To live a creative life, we must lose our fear of being wrong.” #eltchat #edchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:54 PM @rliberni Better than the way I eas taught French which didn't work at all. No creativity and boring. #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:55 PM to be fair if people in #eltchat really disagreed with creativity they'd probably not comment. or just quote other people ;)
Marisa_C 12:55 PM @CeciELT very good point Ceci #eltchat it s not abt fireworks necessarily
rliberni 12:55 PM trying to be creative in my design of an online IELTS course - got to go :-(  thx to fab mods @Shaunwilden & @Marisa_C  #eltchat
esolcourses 12:55 PM @theteacherjames doesn't necessarily mean that all (or any) my creative input will be used, though - learners may have better ideas #eltchat
SophiaKhan4 12:55 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @Marisa_C: @teacherphili making sth complicated look simple is the mark of a skilled performer - in any field, not just teaching #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:55 PM @teflerinha @Marisa_C @theteacherjames  Same argument was used with cultural issues and I don't agree. #eltchat
CeciELT 12:55 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @CeciELT Or maybe it is an ex of what happens if we allow too much creativity :) >Is there such a thing? Too much? #eltchat
Akevy613 12:55 PM RT @cybraryman1: RT @cybraryman1: My Creativity page: http://t.co/5xLH2DN4 “To live a creative life, we must lose our fear of being wrong.” #eltchat #edchat
sandra_loiacono 12:55 PM RT @esolcourses: RT @esolcourses: @theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden my idea of creativity is delivering lessons in ways that motivate &  ...
theteacherjames 12:55 PM @esolcourses Couldn't possibly disagree with that! #ELTchat
teflerinha 12:56 PM RT @teacherphili: RT @teacherphili: @CeciELT @Shaunwilden well, Dellar was arguing for there being too much C.  It can be excessive if there is no pay-off ...
CeciELT 12:56 PM @Marisa_C But ppl seem to expect that. I like @marjorierosenbe 's def of making something simpler #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:56 PM @CeciELT Yes i believe there is - when a teacher is tries to be creative and it  all gets too complicated for example #eltchat
GemL1 12:56 PM @CeciELT yes, being creative can just b way u present sth or small tweaks to an activity #eltchat
teacherphili 12:56 PM @CeciELT @Shaunwilden well, Dellar was arguing for there being too much C.  It can be excessive if there is no pay-off in learning #ELTchat
rliberni 12:56 PM RT @CeciELT: RT @CeciELT: RT @Shaunwilden: @CeciELT Or maybe it is an ex of what happens if we allow too much creativity :) >Is there such a thing ...
antoniaclare 12:56 PM RT @cybraryman1: My Creativity page: http://t.co/InVogpsh “To live a creative life, we must lose our fear of being wrong.” #eltchat #edchat
elawassell 12:56 PM @MarjorieRosenbe true! thinking on your feet is creative - appropriate examples etc - I saw @hughdellar doing it all the time #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:56 PM 5 minutes left for #eltchat - time to start thinking about who wants to do summary....#eltchat
SophiaKhan4 12:56 PM @Marisa_C @teacherphili Agreed! #ELTchat
rliberni 12:56 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @Marisa_C: @CeciELT very good point Ceci #eltchat it s not abt fireworks necessarily
Shaunwilden 12:57 PM @MrChrisJWilson Thank you very much, we'll get you the transcript shortly after #eltchat has finished
rliberni 12:57 PM @MarjorieRosenbe  I had a gr8 French tchr who was really creative & so I loved it! So yes it's important #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:57 PM @Shaunwilden Maybe i'll try doing it in a creative way ;P #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:57 PM @Shaunwilden I'll do it should be interesting and a challenge! #eltchat
teflerinha 12:58 PM @elawassell @Shaunwilden @CeciELT Yes, when instructions for an activity take up half the lesson! #eltchat
teacherphili 12:58 PM RT @MrChrisJWilson: @Shaunwilden Maybe i'll try doing it in a creative way ;P #eltchat Yeah! Chris! Write it in Swahili... or binary?
CeciELT 12:58 PM @GemL1 Exactly! :-) #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:58 PM @teacherphili  too much creativity in a limited no o f contexts and locations possible #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:58 PM Ok time for final thoughts / words of wisdom.....#eltchat
elawassell 12:58 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @CeciELT Yes.... - when a teacher is tries to be creative and it  all gets too complicated for example #ELTchat
theteacherjames 12:58 PM @CeciELT Oh there's definitely such a thing as too much creativity in the classroom. That's what "fireworks" are. #ELTchat
CeciELT 12:58 PM @teacherphili @Shaunwilden I think I agree with that (if there's no pay-off in learning). #eltchat
rliberni 12:58 PM RT @cybraryman1: RT @cybraryman1: My Creativity page: http://t.co/5xLH2DN4 “To live a creative life, we must lose our fear of being wrong.” #eltchat #edchat
Shaunwilden 12:59 PM RT @GemL1: everything in moderation  #eltchat
teacherphili 12:59 PM @Shaunwilden @MrChrisJWilson :-)  I'm sure I'll be offering to do summary later, but alas, not in Swahili #ELTchat
GemL1 12:59 PM everything in moderation  #eltchat
mwedwards 12:59 PM RT @cybraryman1: My Creativity page: http://t.co/4JJRNTf8 “To live a creative life, we must lose our fear of being wrong.” #eltchat #edchat
EdwardsWONDER 12:59 PM RT @cybraryman1: My Creativity page: http://t.co/SdyX4cvr “To live a creative life, we must lose our fear of being wrong.” #eltchat #edchat
SophiaKhan4 12:59 PM @CeciELT @GemL1 Agree, bells & whistles not necessary - sts don't always want/need to mingle, or manipulate 50 bits of cut of paper #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:59 PM RT @teflerinha: RT @teflerinha: @elawassell @Shaunwilden @CeciELT Yes, when instructions for an activity take up half the lesson! #eltchat
CeciELT 12:59 PM @theteacherjames Hear, hear... that wd be when creativity takes over & becomes the purpose - not learning #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:59 PM @teacherphili @Shaunwilden Oh don't you worry I've got an idea which I don't think has been done before :) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:59 PM @teacherphili @MrChrisJWilson Dont make a rod for your back Phil it's your topic tonight ;-) .#eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 1:00 PM To thine own self be true. Dont do sth because it seems creative but because it works at that time & place. #eltchat
theteacherjames 1:00 PM Final thoughts: Creativity is good, but too much is as bad as none. #eltchat
Marisa_C 1:00 PM Apologies for short appearance in and out classes with Ts striving to deliver good lessons #eltchat creative or not doesn't matter ...
teflerinha 1:00 PM @teacherphili @Shaunwilden @MrChrisJWilson Just wait and see how you feel when you're in the moment ;) #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 1:00 PM a little creative quote "Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.#eltchat
CeciELT 1:00 PM RT @SophiaKhan4: RT @SophiaKhan4: @CeciELT @GemL1 Agree, bells & whistles not necessary - sts don't always want/need to mingle, or manipulate 50 bits ...
MrChrisJWilson 1:01 PM wow that was an intense #eltchat! Thanks for voting for my topic :)
Shaunwilden 1:01 PM @teacherphili @Marisa_C  Yes me and M will be there to moderate it, we expect you ask the pertinent questions :-) #eltchat
SophiaKhan4 1:01 PM RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: Final thoughts: Creativity is good, but too much is as bad as none. #eltchat
elawassell 1:01 PM So did we agree that creativity doesn't mean fireworks and reinventing the wheel? And balance is needed everywhere? 
theteacherjames 1:01 PM RT @MrChrisJWilson: RT @MrChrisJWilson: a little creative quote "Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing lef ...
CeciELT 1:01 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: Tnight at 21BST What is ‘mindfulness’ and how could it be used in ELT? #eltchat
SophiaKhan4 1:01 PM RT @MrChrisJWilson: RT @MrChrisJWilson: a little creative quote "Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing lef ...
Shaunwilden 1:01 PM Tnight at 21BST What is ‘mindfulness’ and how could it be used in ELT? #eltchat
Marisa_C 1:01 PM #eltchat creativity not a criterion in any assessments - not in the rformance criteria ;-)
CeciELT 1:01 PM RT @theteacherjames: Final thoughts: Creativity is good, but too much is as bad as none. #eltchat > Keep it under control!!! ;-)
MrChrisJWilson 1:01 PM @Marisa_C Maybe that's the point. When we "try" and be creative then it's fake and goes wrong. When we just are it's good? #eltchat
teflerinha 1:01 PM #eltchat Thanks everyone- enjoyed it as much as ever.
teacherphili 1:01 PM @Shaunwilden I will try my very best to keep topic on #mindfulness focused tonight, but I'm not the moderator. Is @Marisa_C ? #eltchat

 

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