| username |
time |
status |
| Shaunwilden |
12:00 PM |
Welcome back everyone, we all ready to #ELTchat? |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:00 PM |
the next hour of my tweets will be about #eltchat ! :) welcome back |
| theteacherjames |
12:00 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Welcome back everyone, we all ready to #ELTchat? |
| Marisa_C |
12:00 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Welcome back everyone, we all ready to #ELTchat? |
| Marisa_C |
12:00 PM |
@Shaunwilden I know ... going into class in a few mins - can I stay till then or not? #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:01 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: The topic for #eltchat What do you know about Suggestopedia, Silent Way, TPR....... what can we still take from them? |
| Shaunwilden |
12:01 PM |
The topic for #eltchat What do you know about Suggestopedia, Silent Way, TPR....... what can we still take from them? |
| Marisa_C |
12:01 PM |
@LizziePinard @cioccas #eltchat@MrChrisJWilson #ELTChat@Shaunwilden #eltchat@ELTExperiences #ELTchat@BrunoELT #ELTChat #eltchat Hi!!!!! |
| cioccas |
12:01 PM |
Ready to #ELTchat |
| LizziePinard |
12:01 PM |
#eltchat hi all |
| cioccas |
12:01 PM |
RT @ELTExperiences: Actually it is 12 noon by my watch so are we ready #ELTChat <Actually it's 9 pm by MY watch :-) |
| Shaunwilden |
12:01 PM |
@Marisa_C Haha you asking for permission - you're the boss #ELTchat |
| ELTchat |
12:01 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: Welcome back everyone, we all ready to #ELTchat? |
| Marisa_C |
12:01 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: Welcome back everyone, we all ready to #ELTchat? |
| rliberni |
12:02 PM |
Thanks to Marisa & Shaun for getting the new site a up and running #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:02 PM |
#eltchat Hi everyone. |
| worldteacher |
12:02 PM |
RT @cioccas: RT @ELTExperiences: Actually it is 12 noon by my watch so are we ready #ELTChat <Actually it's 9 pm by MY watch :-)6pm here! |
| Marisa_C |
12:02 PM |
@michaelegriffin thanks Michael - phew at last!! #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:02 PM |
Hi everyone it's been quite a time:-) #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
12:02 PM |
@cioccas Hi Lesley - too busy watching your link & the ones from Sue @esolcourses - made me late on the 1st day of the new term! :-)#eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:02 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: The topic for #eltchat What do you know about Suggestopedia, Silent Way, TPR....... what can we still take from them? |
| Shaunwilden |
12:02 PM |
@ELTExperiences Your topic for 12 BST #eltchat What do you know about Suggestopedia, Silent Way, TPR...... what can we still take from them? |
| Marisa_C |
12:02 PM |
@BrunoELT thank you kindly good sirs @Shaunwilden #eltchat #ELTchat |
| michaelegriffin |
12:02 PM |
Congrats on the restarting of #ELTchat ! Have fun folks! |
| hartle |
12:02 PM |
RT @cioccas: Hi everyone - welcome back! #ELTchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:02 PM |
So what is the topic for today's first #ELTChat? |
| hartle |
12:03 PM |
RT @rliberni: Thanks to Marisa & Shaun for getting the new site a up and running #eltchat |
| tamaslorincz |
12:03 PM |
RT @rliberni: Thanks to Marisa & Shaun for getting the new site a up and running #Eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:03 PM |
Its quite the topic so where shall we begin, everyone ok with the approaches listed? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:03 PM |
RT @ELTExperiences: So how would ppl define Suggestopedia? Is it anything like Wikipedia but not an online version? ;-) #ELTChat |
| teflerinha |
12:03 PM |
RT @cioccas: RT @rliberni: Thanks to Marisa & Shaun for getting the new site a up and running #eltchat HEAR HEAR! |
| ELTExperiences |
12:03 PM |
So how would ppl define Suggestopedia? Is it anything like Wikipedia but not an online version? ;-) #ELTChat |
| cioccas |
12:03 PM |
RT @rliberni: Thanks to Marisa & Shaun for getting the new site a up and running #eltchat HEAR HEAR! |
| hartle |
12:03 PM |
#eltchat how much experience do we all have using these methods? |
| Mo_Americanoid |
12:03 PM |
imh, those trends helped deviate the focus from the teacher to the Ss. Silent can be handy in some specific situations... #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
12:04 PM |
RT @cioccas: RT @rliberni: Thanks to Marisa & Shaun for getting the new site a up and running #eltchat HEAR HEAR! >And from me, too! |
| jankenb2 |
12:04 PM |
@tamaslorincz @rliberni Yes, Thanks so much for all you do. I look forward to #eltchat every Wed. |
| Shaunwilden |
12:04 PM |
@cioccas @rliberni It was mainly @Marisa_C that got it up but also thanks to @theteacherjames for his help with it #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:04 PM |
RT @worldteacher: RT @hartle: #eltchat how much experience do we all have using these methods? >Very little! Went to TPR seminar few ... |
| cioccas |
12:04 PM |
@Mo_Americanoid - you seem to know a bit about this topic - do share more... #ELTchat |
| worldteacher |
12:04 PM |
RT @hartle: #eltchat how much experience do we all have using these methods? >Very little! Went to TPR seminar few mths ago - tried in class |
| Marisa_C |
12:04 PM |
@ELTExperiences Lol no!!! But there is music involved!!!! at 60 megacycles a min or sth #ELTChat |
| jankenb2 |
12:04 PM |
Hello to all. I am so happy to be back OL with #eltchat. I've been given a new class and a new level. Whew..exciting and also a lot of work |
| Mo_Americanoid |
12:04 PM |
#eltchat ...especially in multilingual classes, where the Ss will take control of their learning at their own pace. |
| theteacherjames |
12:05 PM |
Looking forward to learning from my fellow ELTchatters today! #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:05 PM |
#eltchat still not sure on Suggestopedia. Is it about using the whole environment to promote language learning and reinforce the language? |
| Shaunwilden |
12:05 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @antoniaclare It's now :-) #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:05 PM |
@worldteacher So you tried TPR did it work? I have used it with YLs but only sparingly with adults #ELTChat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:05 PM |
@antoniaclare What time is ELT Chat today? #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:05 PM |
RT @hartle: RT @rliberni: Thanks to Marisa & Shaun for getting the new site a up and running #eltchat ] seconded! Well done |
| hartle |
12:05 PM |
#ELTCHAT hard to define suggestopedia in 140 characters. Lots of things from these methods influence my teaching tho |
| rliberni |
12:05 PM |
@worldteacher I did Silent Way training as part of my Delta but it was a very long time age #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:06 PM |
@Mo_Americanoid Agree- silent way probably most influential of these in my teaching because of emphasis on getting ls to do stuff #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:06 PM |
RT @hartle: #ELTCHAT hard to define suggestopedia in 140 characters. Lots of things from these methods influence my teaching tho ] ditto |
| rliberni |
12:06 PM |
@esolcourses: tweeted this earlier - a demo of TPR, for those who are not familiar with it http://t.co/6PL7CgV0 #ELTchat |
| cerirhiannon |
12:06 PM |
#eltchat - hi, sorry I'm late! |
| LizziePinard |
12:06 PM |
#eltchat suggestopedia is the one which involves using music, right? |
| worldteacher |
12:06 PM |
@rliberni I worked for a private lang school a few years ago where the method was based on Silent Way - no good for me, I'm afraid! #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:06 PM |
All joking aside, could any1 define Suggestopedia as I have not come across this before. It sounds like a salesman/teacher method #ELTChat |
| esolcourses |
12:06 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden @cioccas @rliberni It was mainly @Marisa_C that got it up but also thanks to @theteacherjames for his help with it #ELTChat |
| PatrickAndrews |
12:07 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson People keen on suggestopedia say it is very complex but seems to be about using the subconscious ....#eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
12:07 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @cerirhiannon Good to see you Ceri! #eltchat > likewise! :) |
| cioccas |
12:07 PM |
At uni we were steered to @englishraven 's website to read about all these ELT methodologies : http://t.co/85mY2YwS #ELTchat |
| cerirhiannon |
12:07 PM |
RT @rliberni: @worldteacher I did Silent Way training as part of my Delta but it was a very long time age #eltchat> me too |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:07 PM |
#eltchat any good links to definitions of Suggestopedia (if it's too long for 140) |
| Marisa_C |
12:07 PM |
There are a couple of good videos of Silent Way and Suggestopedia Lessons up on You Tube - will add them to the summary #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:07 PM |
@ELTExperiences so if you're sitting comfortably, we'll begin #ELTChat actually if you search lonny gold on youtube you'll find some vids |
| theteacherjames |
12:07 PM |
@cerirhiannon Good to see you Ceri! #eltchat |
| jankenb2 |
12:07 PM |
@worldteacher @hartle #eltchat I'm a special ed PK teacher. TPR is a useful method at PK & elem.I will try it in my new adult upper-inter. |
| worldteacher |
12:07 PM |
@Shaunwilden Had some success with TPR with my teen sts here in Vietnam - intend to try some more this year. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:07 PM |
RT @ELTExperiences: All joking aside, could any1 define Suggestopedia as I have not come across this before. It sounds like a salesman/t ... |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:08 PM |
@PatrickAndrews thanks patrick :) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:08 PM |
@cerirhiannon @rliberni @worldteacher Never really 'done' silent way but big fan of rods #ELTChat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:08 PM |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C thank you. I will look into Suggestopedia. I feel such a novice now with regards to this method. :-( #ELTChat |
| LizziePinard |
12:08 PM |
#eltchat suggestopedia involves teacher-learner relationship that infantilises the learner |
| PatrickAndrews |
12:08 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson ...using music and a lot of repetition. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:08 PM |
@worldteacher tbh we weren't quite sure what to make of it at the time - we did in Dutch & we did learn sthing #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:09 PM |
What are the main pros and cons of the Silent Way? Children imitate parents. Children wouldn't learn to spk if parents were silent. #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:09 PM |
@LizziePinard Aahh here comes the DELTA trainee who knows her stuff :-) #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:09 PM |
@Shaunwilden the rods were the best part! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:09 PM |
RT @teflerinha: @ELTExperiences @theteacherjames Suggestopaedia ss relax to baroque music while t reads text #ELTChat |
| worldteacher |
12:09 PM |
@rliberni Yes - I was shown it in Japanese - was never confident I was pronouncing anything correctly! #eltchat |
| cioccas |
12:09 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe #ELTchat is on NOW! |
| jankenb2 |
12:09 PM |
#eltchat Compare methods for degree of user generated content. Do the students generate the content or T? Both good but Ts should know. |
| LizziePinard |
12:09 PM |
#eltchat the teacher is seen as an authority figure, on the theory that learners learn better from authority |
| rliberni |
12:09 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: Here's a site with lots of explanations: http://t.co/r3Rz2Ib2 #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:09 PM |
RT @BrunoELT: “@LizziePinard: #eltchat suggestopedia is the one which involves using music, right?”yes! In mini-cycles. |
| theteacherjames |
12:09 PM |
Here's a site with lots of explanations: http://t.co/r3Rz2Ib2 #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:09 PM |
@BrunoELT Hi there good to see you again :-) #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
12:10 PM |
@Shaunwilden @rliberni @worldteacher #eltchat : only use silent way in short bursts - find thedriling too controlled and t-centred |
| ELTExperiences |
12:10 PM |
@Shaunwilden @teflerinha @theteacherjames ohh … I've done this. Play some classical music in the background while I read out loud. #ELTChat |
| LizziePinard |
12:10 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @LizziePinard Aahh here comes the DELTA trainee who knows her stuff :-) #eltchat trainee 2b as of mon! ;-) |
| Shaunwilden |
12:10 PM |
RT @Raquel_EFL: when I started reading for DELTA, I realized I had used some features of these approaches/methods in my lessons #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:10 PM |
@LizziePinard Infantilises? Wow - that's some strong terminology there! #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:10 PM |
RT @BrunoELT: “@MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat any good links to definitions of Suggestopedia (if it's too long for 140)” here it is: https:// ... |
| Shaunwilden |
12:10 PM |
@rliberni yes :-) And still very useable in the classroom today #ELTChat |
| worldteacher |
12:10 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @cerirhiannon @rliberni @worldteacher Never really 'done' silent way but big fan of rods #ELTChat >Oh yes, I love the rods |
| teflerinha |
12:11 PM |
@ELTExperiences SW ss think not just repeat-have to work stuff out- so kind of discovery approach (but can b 2 unguided 4 me) #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
12:11 PM |
@theteacherjames #eltchat hehe blame the books ive been reading! :-p |
| ELTExperiences |
12:11 PM |
RT @BrunoELT: “@MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat any good links to definitions of Suggestopedia (if it's too long for 140)” here it is: https:// ... |
| teflerinha |
12:12 PM |
@ELTExperiences Yes, I think there's plenty to take from it..including rods #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:12 PM |
Thx so much Marisa - RT @Marisa_C: A silent way lesson on youtune http://t.co/qoHr9fMf #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
12:12 PM |
#eltchat based on suggestology, which Lozanov claims is a science |
| ELTExperiences |
12:12 PM |
@teflerinha I suppose a balance can be struck between SW and more guided forms of teaching tho. #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:12 PM |
A silent way lesson on youtune http://t.co/6LeU136U #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:12 PM |
@ELTExperiences @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames Aparently has to be baroque because of beats per min and brainwaves #pseudoscience #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
12:12 PM |
#eltchat suggestopedia: ties in tradition to yoga and soviet psychology |
| GRodriguez_ELT |
12:12 PM |
@rliberni @Shaunwilden #eltchat I agree. Remember doing a lesson when training (15yrs ago)- ss loved it& learned the structure really well! |
| worldteacher |
12:12 PM |
RT @cioccas: At uni we were steered to @englishraven 's website to read about all these ELT methodologies : http://t.co/85mY2YwS #ELTchat |
| jankenb2 |
12:12 PM |
@LizziePinard #eltchat We a viable source of new knwldge, not necessarily authority. I do have expertise, how I present it is the ?. Open++ |
| cioccas |
12:12 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe You'll find all details about #ELTchat, including times, here: http://t.co/yeqOw4i3 |
| theteacherjames |
12:12 PM |
@LizziePinard But you got the idea across very clearly, so no complaints here! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:13 PM |
@teflerinha @ELTExperiences reminds me of some AR i did many years ago-1 class with Baroque one without - proved nothing :-) #ELTChat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:13 PM |
@PatrickAndrews @Shaunwilden @teflerinha @theteacherjames but the sts would end up humming to the music if listened for 7 hours!! #ELTChat |
| LizziePinard |
12:13 PM |
#eltchat lozanov: bulgarian psychiatrist educator |
| Mo_Americanoid |
12:13 PM |
@teflerinha I know a teacher from Portugal who learned French and Italian through the Silent Way back in the 70s. She swears by it #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:13 PM |
@teflerinha Lol love the #pseudoscience; yes the 60 megacycle prerequisit to bring brain waves to an Alpha state! #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:13 PM |
@worldteacher I like the way it allows you to think and experiment #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:14 PM |
@BrunoELT @rliberni I use ideas from all of them in my teaching, although not sure how well they'd work as a 'stand-alone' method #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:14 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: And here an original Suggestopedia lesson from Diane Larsen Freeman's collection http://t.co/qnih4mi0 #ELTchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:14 PM |
Thank you - RT @Marisa_C: And here an original Suggestopedia lesson from Diane Larsen Freeman's collection http://t.co/JsIL7tS1 #ELTchat |
| cerirhiannon |
12:14 PM |
#eltchat did short experiment w accelerated learning (suggestopaedic) in Spanish - was amazed by how effective it was |
| teflerinha |
12:14 PM |
@Raquel_EFL Yes, I like those aspects of suggestopaedia (though I discovered that some students HATE background music) #eltchat |
| Mo_Americanoid |
12:14 PM |
#eltchat google presents several good (and bad) videos on the SW: https://t.co/u3AowIQH |
| Marisa_C |
12:14 PM |
And here an original Suggestopedia lesson from Diane Larsen Freeman's collection http://t.co/qnih4mi0 #ELTchat |
| nathanghall |
12:15 PM |
10 Sites for ELLs to read and listen - Nathan Hall http://t.co/6xqywINI #esl #eltchat #ellchat #tesol #reading #listening |
| esolcourses |
12:15 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: And here an original Suggestopedia lesson from Diane Larsen Freeman's collection http://t.co/Xma5bFUl #ELTchat |
| teflerinha |
12:15 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: #eltchat did short experiment w accelerated learning (suggestopaedic) in Spanish - amazed by how effective was>interesting |
| Shaunwilden |
12:15 PM |
Remember the topic also asks what can we still take from them? #ELTChat |
| PatrickAndrews |
12:15 PM |
@ELTExperiences @Shaunwilden @teflerinha @theteacherjames ..not saying I am keen on it - just reporting #eltchat |
| jankenb2 |
12:15 PM |
@Marisa_C #eltchat Silent way is ideal for Ss who are reluctant to speak in class. It allows for interactivity in group setting & game like. |
| rliberni |
12:15 PM |
@cerirhiannon but moving to grp work with rods less so as I remember we spent more time on a translation method w/whispering #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:16 PM |
@Marisa_C I still use some silent way type things when drilling or s'times presenting new language #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:16 PM |
@theteacherjames @Raquel_EFL Probably! #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:16 PM |
@ELTExperiences You club your students?! ;) #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
12:16 PM |
@teflerinha #eltchat - success due partly to already being a speaker of Italian but was amazed by level of retention thx to music |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:16 PM |
late comer quietly lurking :-))) #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:16 PM |
@cerirhiannon Is this your personal experience? Was this the only aspect that was different? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:16 PM |
@teflerinha @Raquel_EFL Reminds of getting a massage. They put on that awful new age music, makes me more stressed! Same problem? #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:16 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Remember the topic also asks what can we still take from them? #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:16 PM |
Have several lesson plans on all these methods which I will try to upload to my boxnet file soon #ELTchat part of the PDA assgnmnt |
| ELTExperiences |
12:16 PM |
Isn't it best to incorporate a bag of clubs with teaching rather than using one golf club when it comes to different methods? #ELTChat |
| cerirhiannon |
12:17 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson #eltchat - it was self access in a lang lab (yrs ago!) and involved listening to loud music and quiet story text |
| Marisa_C |
12:17 PM |
@rliberni #eltchat Yes - and one of the classics - finger correction - is a Silent Way technique |
| rliberni |
12:17 PM |
@esolcourses me too over the years you take what works for you and your stds & do a mash-up! #eltchat |
| hartle |
12:17 PM |
RT @esolcourses: @BrunoELT @rliberni I use ideas from all of them in my teaching, although not sure how well they'd work as a 'stand-alo ... |
| ELTExperiences |
12:17 PM |
@teflerinha I would club that CD if I ended up playing Baroque music for hours! #ELTChat - tried a metaphor for methods :-/ |
| theteacherjames |
12:17 PM |
RT @ELTExperiences: Isn't it best to incorporate a bag of clubs with teaching rather than using one golf club when it comes to different ... |
| cerirhiannon |
12:18 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson might try and write about it :) #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:18 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C Ah finger correction, with the students looking at the tcher thinking wtf :-) #ELTChat >LOL! |
| cioccas |
12:18 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @ELTExperiences So I guess the point of this chat is to find out which clubs we should be carrying? #ELTChat |
| teflerinha |
12:18 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @rliberni #eltchat Yes -& one of the classics - finger correction - is a Silent Way technique> & gestures for past tense etc |
| Shaunwilden |
12:18 PM |
@Marisa_C Ah finger correction, with the students looking at the tcher thinking wtf :-) #ELTChat |
| hartle |
12:18 PM |
#eltchat Activities owe a lot to these approaches, such as story telling where teacher is silent indicating yes or no whilst stds ask ques |
| rliberni |
12:18 PM |
RT @Raquel_EFL: when it comes to Suggestopedia: teachung the material in “a playful manner”, room decoration, usind music 2 relax learn ... |
| ELTExperiences |
12:18 PM |
@Marisa_C @rliberni I suppose any form of silent elicitism is a form of Silent Way #ELTChat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:18 PM |
#eltchat I've definitely taken some aspects of Silent method for reinforcing drilling and correction. |
| cerirhiannon |
12:18 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @rliberni #eltchat Yes - and one of the classics - finger correction - is a Silent Way technique > everyone's fave, no? |
| theteacherjames |
12:18 PM |
@ELTExperiences So I guess the point of this chat is to find out which clubs we should be carrying? #ELTChat |
| worldteacher |
12:18 PM |
RT @rliberni: @esolcourses me too over the years you take what works for you and your stds & do a mash-up! #eltchat >Absolutely! |
| ELTExperiences |
12:19 PM |
@rliberni @Raquel_EFL that sounds rather dangerous ;-) #ELTChat |
| hartle |
12:19 PM |
#eltchat - finger correction & gestures for past tense etc-R these frm Silent Way. I thought they existed beforehand? |
| teflerinha |
12:19 PM |
@cerirhiannon @MrChrisJWilson Please do, Ceri. #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:19 PM |
@BrunoELT @rliberni Don't know enough about them to answer that one, Bruno - like Berni, Just mash and remix bits that work for me #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:19 PM |
@cerirhiannon Sounds like people would appreciate it. I know I would. Do you incorporate elements into your teaching? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:19 PM |
@Raquel_EFL also really great 4 kids - remember them learning vocab while on a trampoline w/words in front of them! #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:20 PM |
@rliberni @cerirhiannon but I suppose that any form of genuine interaction between tch and sts would increase TTT but is useful. #ELTChat |
| hartle |
12:20 PM |
RT @Julian_LEnfant: music in Suggestopedia is quite specific-composers from the Baroque era. #ELTChat yes and not everyone responds well |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:20 PM |
RT @rliberni: @ELTExperiences @cerirhiannon there is an argument for it cutting down on ttt! #eltchat |
| Julian_LEnfant |
12:20 PM |
Background music in Suggestopedia is quite specific-composers from the Baroque era. #ELTChat |
| hartle |
12:20 PM |
@Marisa_C: Suggestopedia original quite focused on translation and structural grading but permutations allow for lots of creativity #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:20 PM |
RT @jankenb2: Good point, multimodal instruction has its place at all levels. How dramatic must you be in TPR or SW? #ELTChat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:20 PM |
@hartle pun intended? Before...hand... #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
12:20 PM |
RT @teflerinha: @cerirhiannon @MrChrisJWilson Please do, Ceri. #eltchat > sounds like a blog post brewing ;) thx 4 inspiration :) |
| cioccas |
12:20 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: @MrChrisJWilson might try and write about it :) #eltchat <Yes please, I'd be interested to know more! |
| rliberni |
12:20 PM |
@ELTExperiences @cerirhiannon there is an argument for it cutting down on ttt! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:20 PM |
Suggestopedia original quite focused on translation and structural grading but permutations allow for lots of creativity #ELTchat |
| hartle |
12:21 PM |
RT @ELTExperiences: @rliberni @cerirhiannon TTT a difficult one. Initially important to limit it but natural language essential too#ELTChat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:21 PM |
@rliberni I wouldn't be able to cope .. I can barely multitask just ask my wife #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:21 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Suggestopedia original quite focused on translation and structural grading but permutations allow for lots of creativity # ... |
| LizziePinard |
12:21 PM |
RT @BrunoELT: @esolcourses @rliberni I would not dare use them as stand-alone methods. Never... #eltchat <--me too |
| Shaunwilden |
12:21 PM |
@hartle @Julian_LEnfant We can say that about music in class in general cant we, many sts dont actually like it #ELTChat |
| theteacherjames |
12:21 PM |
@BrunoELT @teflerinha @raquel_efl It's a subjective thing, so you'd probably choose something bland so not to offend. Boring, IMO. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:21 PM |
@cerirhiannon Lol :-) #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
12:21 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Suggestopedia original quite focused on translation and structural grading but permutations allow for lots of creativity # ... |
| rliberni |
12:21 PM |
@ELTExperiences it was only small and low down - they used it for times-table learning too #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
12:21 PM |
RT @rliberni: @ELTExperiences @cerirhiannon argument for it cutting down on ttt! #eltchat > totally! :) nod of head, quizzical look ... |
| teflerinha |
12:21 PM |
@Marisa_C Yes..also think there is a place for translation too in the right context #eltchat (@hughdellar) |
| Shaunwilden |
12:22 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson Have used it but cant say the sts were overenthused #ELTChat |
| hartle |
12:22 PM |
@Julian_LEnfant We can say that ... many sts dont actually like it #ELTChat Yes, but in Sugg. music supposed to affect brain waves... |
| jankenb2 |
12:22 PM |
#eltchat Hey friends, you've given me an idea. I'll challenge myself this week & include one of these multimodal methods into my reg. prog. |
| Marisa_C |
12:22 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat what about TPR for adults. I certainly used actions to help remember language points myself. |
| teflerinha |
12:22 PM |
#eltchat Talking of translation..no-one's mentioned Community Language Learning yet |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:22 PM |
#eltchat what about TPR for adults. I certainly used actions to help remember language points myself. |
| ELTExperiences |
12:22 PM |
@hartle @rliberni @cerirhiannon but TTT is focused really on the provision of instructions, isn't it? Not on interaction. #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:22 PM |
@hartle mmm mimes tongue in cheek! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:22 PM |
@LizziePinard @BrunoELT @esolcourses @rliberni Assuming you had full knowledge of the method, would you still not use it? #ELTChat |
| teflerinha |
12:23 PM |
@cerirhiannon Lovely idea. Any other ideas (anyone) for TPR apart from low level giving instructions to learners? #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
12:23 PM |
#eltchat TPR gr8 with adults too |
| rliberni |
12:23 PM |
@Shaunwilden not exclusively I do mostly 1 to 1 and I think these work better w/groups - tho might be an interesting experiment #eltchat |
| hartle |
12:23 PM |
#eltchat musicians in my suggest. activities focused on structure of baroque music not language so defeated purpose rather |
| theteacherjames |
12:23 PM |
@hartle @Julian_LEnfant I wouldn't! #ELTChat |
| cerirhiannon |
12:23 PM |
#eltchat TPR/Silent Way fave: ss have to programme me (robot) to walk, but with limited verbs and preps, and lots of obtuseness from me |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:24 PM |
@Shaunwilden But that might not be "real TPR" #eltchat |
| hartle |
12:24 PM |
#eltchat from Sugg. I developed visual association techniques for memory such as "number plate" visualise yr favourite plate with no on it |
| teflerinha |
12:24 PM |
@Marisa_C Thank you- will check that out. #eltchat |
| cioccas |
12:24 PM |
Have used this, but not sure how pure TPR it is: Live Action English interactive: http://t.co/Qsdd5W0I #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:24 PM |
@ELTExperiences accepted - i was joking :-) #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:24 PM |
@Shaunwilden I think lower levels valued it more. Actions for tools and physical things seamed more appreciated #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:24 PM |
@teflerinha Here is a great video with some Turkish teachers using CLL #eltchat http://t.co/OaZt8WYs with mobile devices! :-) |
| LizziePinard |
12:24 PM |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat - my never is based on lack of confidence! |
| esolcourses |
12:24 PM |
@jankenb2 @worldteacher @rliberni Not sure, tho I tend to pull faces and gesture to get message across whatever method I'm using #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:25 PM |
@Marisa_C See you later, happy observing #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:25 PM |
Great to see you all - students have arived - must go to class :-( Enjoy our first #ELTchat!!!! |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:25 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: #eltchat TPR/Silent Way fave: ss have to programme me (robot) to walk, but with limited verbs and preps, and lots of ... |
| hartle |
12:25 PM |
RT @jankenb2: @MrChrisJWilson #eltchat TPR is gr8 for all classes 0-99 yrs. Except where you have 130 stds in one room :-(( |
| rliberni |
12:25 PM |
@esolcourses I like to use drawings too on w/board #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:25 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson Yes it was lower levels I used it with but I think it was cos I suddenly did out of blue (having been to w/hop) #ELTChat |
| teflerinha |
12:25 PM |
I'm v interested in CLL, but don't speak another lang fluently enough to try it out. Has anyone? #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
12:25 PM |
#eltchat TPR another old fave : ss guide blindfolded peers through maze of chairs, if they touch the chairs, go back to beginning |
| jankenb2 |
12:25 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson #eltchat TPR is gr8 for all classes 0-99 yrs. W/TPR, sm. doses, we see, hear, do & speak! You can draw 2. How fab is that? |
| rliberni |
12:25 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @jankenb2: Good point, multimodal instruction has its place at all levels. How dramatic must you be in TPR or SW? # ... |
| teflerinha |
12:26 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson Yes, I'm quite keen on that sort of thing. Again, getting ss to really notice and think about lang- same as SW #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:26 PM |
@ELTExperiences I have seen lessons that have been 90% TTT #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:26 PM |
@teflerinha Not full CLL mind #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
12:26 PM |
@Marisa_C Bye Marisa! Have fun! :-) #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
12:26 PM |
#~eltchat TPR w chairs - chairs can represent different things to up lexis level/imagination (e.g. geo features, places in a town, hazards) |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:26 PM |
@teflerinha I did some reformulation work (spoken and written) with a student as part of an IH training course Sts valued it #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:26 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @teflerinha Here is a great video with some Turkish teachers using CLL #eltchat http://t.co/OaZt8WYs with mobile devices! :-) |
| theteacherjames |
12:26 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: #eltchat TPR another old fave : ss guide blindfolded peers through maze of chairs, if they touch the chairs, go back ... |
| hartle |
12:26 PM |
@Marisa_C Bye Marisa have a gd lesson :-) #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
12:27 PM |
@Marisa_C Enjoy your class!! #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
12:27 PM |
#eltchat elements of CLL can work really well with truly mixed level (note level not ability) classes in a monolingual setting |
| hartle |
12:27 PM |
#eltchat a lot is tied in with st expectations and context. At uni some activities like this OK but stds must perceive it as "serious"!! |
| rliberni |
12:27 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @hartle @Julian_LEnfant We can say that about music in class in general cant we, many sts dont actually like it #ELTChat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:27 PM |
@Shaunwilden I've made that mistake myself. Try doing a w/hop activity with lack of confidence and it fails #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:27 PM |
@rliberni @ELTExperiences Me too..and then teacher asked why students didn't say much! #eltchat |
| jankenb2 |
12:27 PM |
@hartle @MrChrisJWilson Evet, Evet... ;-) #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:27 PM |
RT @teflerinha: @Marisa_C Yes..also think there is a place for translation too in the right context #eltchat (@hughdellar) yes esp w/vocab |
| Shaunwilden |
12:28 PM |
@esolcourses @LizziePinard @BrunoELT @rliberni i agree but then again there are people that do hence my asking #ELTChat |
| hartle |
12:28 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: #eltChat I think bits of all of them can be used, but in the pure form some of them would be difficult to rationalise: agreed |
| rliberni |
12:28 PM |
RT @BrunoELT: What about simple examples of activities. Do you know any from Suggestiopedia, TPR and Silent Way? #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:28 PM |
@teflerinha @rliberni that really is shocking. We can all have chat but to speak for 90% of the time is a bit OTT with TTT #ELTChat |
| cerirhiannon |
12:28 PM |
RT @hartle: #eltchat a lot is tied in with st expectations and context ..stds must perceive it as "serious"!! > yes, totally |
| esolcourses |
12:28 PM |
@Shaunwilden @LizziePinard @BrunoELT @rliberni I'm not sure I'd use any one method on its own, really. Seems a bit rigid to me #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
12:28 PM |
#eltChat I think bits of all of them can be used, but in the pure form some of them would be difficult to rationalise in the classroom |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:28 PM |
RT @hartle: #eltchat a lot is tied in with st expectations and context. At uni some activities like this OK but stds must perceive it a ... |
| rliberni |
12:28 PM |
@Shaunwilden agree some stds want everything to be focused and serious - esp ESP stds #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:29 PM |
RT @ELTExperiences: @MrChrisJWilson cherry picking the best of all methodologies is probably best practice #ELTChat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:29 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson cherry picking the best of all methodologies is probably best practice #ELTChat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:29 PM |
#eltchat some times experimenting with an extreme can help us adopt a balance approach right @ELTExperiences |
| rliberni |
12:29 PM |
RT @teflerinha: #eltchat Talking of translation..no-one's mentioned Community Language Learning yet |
| jankenb2 |
12:29 PM |
@hartle #eltchat Yes, a sense of community should be well established with older students. Luckily my new class has been intact for 1 yr. |
| Shaunwilden |
12:29 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson 'Extreme' methodologies - is that like extreme sports? #ELTChat |
| cerirhiannon |
12:29 PM |
@rliberni @Shaunwilden #eltchat re ESP TPR can work really well for some (possibly esp low level) technical English classes |
| teflerinha |
12:29 PM |
RT @BrunoELT: What about simple examples of activities. Do you know any from Suggestiopedia, TPR and Silent Way? #eltchat |
| cioccas |
12:29 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat ... there is a value in extreme methodologies as it draws our attention to the aspects we can steal from them |
| teflerinha |
12:29 PM |
RT @hartle: RT @SueAnnan: #eltChat I think bits of all of them can be used, but in the pure form some of them would be difficult to rati ... |
| LizziePinard |
12:29 PM |
@esolcourses #eltchat If I were confident, then for one lesson now and again, but not exclusively for a whole course |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:29 PM |
#eltchat I think there is a value in extreme methodologies as it draws our attention to the aspects we can steal from them |
| cerirhiannon |
12:30 PM |
RT @hartle: #eltchat silent way story telling. Stds offer suggestions, Tgestures "right" or "wrong" on random elements. > love that 1 too |
| esolcourses |
12:30 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon RT @MrChrisJWilson #eltchat some times experimenting with an extreme can help us adopt a balance approach @ELTExperiences |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:30 PM |
RT @teflerinha: @Shaunwilden @MrChrisJWilson Yes, you need to be an adrenaline junkie to try extreme methodologies ;) #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:30 PM |
RT @hartle: #eltchat silent way story telling. Stds offer suggestions and teacher gestures "right" or "wrong" on random elements. |
| cerirhiannon |
12:30 PM |
RT @esolcourses: RT @rliberni: @esolcourses I like to use drawings too on w/board #eltchat ] same here > love drawing w ss :) |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:30 PM |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat more like extreme ironing ;) |
| hartle |
12:30 PM |
#eltchat silent way story telling. Stds offer suggestions and teacher gestures "right" or "wrong" on random elements. |
| teflerinha |
12:30 PM |
@Shaunwilden @MrChrisJWilson Yes, you need to be an adrenaline junkie to try extreme methodologies ;) #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
12:30 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat some times experimenting with an extreme can help us adopt a balance approach right @ELTExperiences > nice! |
| esolcourses |
12:30 PM |
RT @rliberni: @esolcourses I like to use drawings too on w/board #eltchat ] same here |
| PatrickAndrews |
12:31 PM |
@ELTExperiences @MrChrisJWilson but is cherry picking definitely good? Might lose the principles that inform the method. #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:31 PM |
RT @jankenb2: Yes and also view how learning theory applies to our practice. SW, TPR, Suggpdia, all from auditory/visual pairings.#eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:31 PM |
@teflerinha @cerirhiannon @esolcourses @rliberni I confess I cheated i simply p/copied the drawings from it :-) #ELTChat |
| cioccas |
12:31 PM |
RT @teflerinha: @cerirhiannon @esolcourses @rliberni Me too- cherished copy of 1001 drawings for teachers! #eltchat < Me too! |
| ELTExperiences |
12:31 PM |
@cerirhiannon @MrChrisJWilson balanced approach is exactly what I would recommend anyone to incorporate, see my Dogme dissertation #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:31 PM |
@cerirhiannon yes you can get so much language going (even just commenting on pics) tell stories, build up scenarios etc..#eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:31 PM |
RT @ELTExperiences: @MrChrisJWilson cherry picking the best of all methodologies is probably best practice #ELTChat |
| hartle |
12:31 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @esolcourses: RT @rliberni: @esolcourses I like to use drawings too on w/board #eltchat me 2 & creative blackboards! |
| teflerinha |
12:31 PM |
@cerirhiannon @esolcourses @rliberni Me too- cherished copy of 1001 drawings for teachers! #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:32 PM |
@PatrickAndrews @ELTExperiences @MrChrisJWilson U have a point- bt think what we need is OUR principles when choosing #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:32 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: RT @jankenb2: Yes and also view how learning theory applies to our practice. SW, TPR, Suggpdia, all from auditory/vi ... |
| rliberni |
12:32 PM |
RT @PatrickAndrews: @ELTExperiences @MrChrisJWilson but is cherry picking definitely good? Might lose the principles that inform the me ... |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:32 PM |
RT @PatrickAndrews: @ELTExperiences @MrChrisJWilson but is cherry picking definitely good? Might lose the principles that inform the me ... |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:32 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @ELTExperiences @MrChrisJWilson Until research uncovers how we learn a language, all we can do is pick & choose ... |
| rliberni |
12:32 PM |
@cerirhiannon and it can be a bit like Rolf Harris with the suspense! #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:32 PM |
@ELTExperiences @MrChrisJWilson Until research uncovers how we learn a language, all we can do is pick & choose & do our best. #ELTChat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:33 PM |
@LizziePinard I am afraid not but it is available on my blog - http://t.co/9VWmAEKP & http://t.co/VGjBdwjl #ELTChat |
| cerirhiannon |
12:33 PM |
#eltchat sorry - gotta go, time to pick the kids up from school - really good to be back on eltchat - see some of you this pm? |
| SueAnnan |
12:33 PM |
#eltChat context is important too. My classes are not monolingual |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:33 PM |
@PatrickAndrews @ELTExperiences is blindly obeying the "rule" good? can work both ways. Informed selecting has to be the ideal #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:33 PM |
RT @teflerinha: @PatrickAndrews @ELTExperiences @MrChrisJWilson U have a poin-bt think what we need is OUR principles when choosing #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:33 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson I was about to mention audio-visual method :-) #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
12:33 PM |
RT @rliberni: @cerirhiannon a bit like Rolf Harris with the suspense! #eltchat > LOL! I try n get Ss to do the drawing - I'm hopeless! |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:34 PM |
Has anyone mentioned grammar-translation and contrastive analysis in mono groups? #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:34 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson @PatrickAndrews a better choice of words. Choosing a range of methods by 'informed selection' is best practice #ELTChat |
| jankenb2 |
12:34 PM |
@theteacherjames @ELTExperiences @MrChrisJWilson #eltchat We likely learn languages using a matrix approach. Multiple, emergent, ways. |
| cioccas |
12:34 PM |
@Shaunwilden @SueAnnan No, just some work better in different contexts #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
12:34 PM |
@BrunoELT @Shaunwilden @rliberni agree, Bruno #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:34 PM |
RT @hartle: #eltchat decorative flashcards also come from Suggestopedia and matching card games etc. |
| rliberni |
12:34 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: #eltChat context is important too. My classes are not monolingual good point |
| hartle |
12:34 PM |
#eltchat decorative flashcards also come from Suggestopedia and matching card games etc. |
| PatrickAndrews |
12:34 PM |
@Shaunwilden @teflerinha @ELTExperiences @MrChrisJWilson Agree #eltchat |
| cioccas |
12:34 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: #eltChat context is important too. My classes are not monolingual < Same here, definitely agree! |
| Shaunwilden |
12:34 PM |
@SueAnnan Does that imply that these methodologies work better in a monolingual setting? #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:34 PM |
@cerirhiannon not good either but I was taught this in my training so have some simple methods #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:35 PM |
@jankenb2 @theteacherjames @MrChrisJWilson I like the term matrix approach but I prefer the balanced approach but that's just me. #ELTChat |
| teflerinha |
12:35 PM |
@Shaunwilden @AlexandraKouk No, but think it can be very useful- again it's about noticing, isn't it? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:35 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: Has anyone mentioned grammar-translation and contrastive analysis in mono groups? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:35 PM |
@PatrickAndrews @MrChrisJWilson @ELTExperiences Not sure I follow #ELTChat |
| elleplus1 |
12:35 PM |
RT @ELTExperiences: @MrChrisJWilson cherry picking the best of all methodologies is probably best practice #ELTChat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:35 PM |
@ELTExperiences @teflerinha Years ago when I did lots of superlearning courses my students loved the Baroque music 4 review of voc. #eltchat |
| hartle |
12:35 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: grammar-translation and contrastive analysis in mono groups? #eltchat Good teaching is a mix of all these things. |
| PatrickAndrews |
12:35 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson @ELTExperiences Using principles might not be lindly obeying roles, might it? #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:35 PM |
@Shaunwilden @SueAnnan @cioccas Obv CLL and suggestopaedia prob need monolingual setting- but do TPR and SW? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:35 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: Has anyone mentioned grammar-translation and contrastive analysis in mono groups? #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
12:36 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: forgot how hard it is to keep up with #eltchat! |
| cioccas |
12:36 PM |
@teflerinha @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan Just need to pick the right tool for the job (or golf club, or something) :-) #ELTchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:36 PM |
@teflerinha noticing, analysing, drawing conclusions and implementing #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:36 PM |
forgot how hard it is to keep up with #eltchat! |
| PatrickAndrews |
12:36 PM |
@ELTExperiences @MrChrisJWilson Yes and being influenced by new ideas must be good - perhaps just need not be random mix #eltchat |
| hartle |
12:36 PM |
@ELTExperiences @teflerinha my students loved the Baroque music 4 review of voc. #eltchat some of mine find it energizing but not all |
| elleplus1 |
12:36 PM |
RT @rliberni: @cerirhiannon yes you can get so much language going (even just commenting on pics) tell stories, build up scenarios etc. ... |
| SueAnnan |
12:36 PM |
@Shaunwilden yes. I think that some of them do #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:37 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson :-( what did I say! #eltchat |
| cioccas |
12:37 PM |
@hartle Bye Sharon ^_^ #ELTchat |
| PatrickAndrews |
12:37 PM |
@Shaunwilden @MrChrisJWilson @ELTExperiences What I mean is that if we think e.g lang should be taught in context this is principle #eltchat |
| hartle |
12:37 PM |
#eltchat thnx 4 chat everyone. Have to go and catch my train. I'll vsualise the chat as I chug up into hte mountains :-) |
| Shaunwilden |
12:37 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson Yes we're all out of practice :-) #ELTChat |
| teflerinha |
12:37 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: @teflerinha Grammar translation &contrastive analysis: noticing, analysing, drawing conclusions and implementing #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:37 PM |
@PatrickAndrews @MrChrisJWilson why do we have to follow particular methods/approaches why not having a personal approach? #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:37 PM |
RT @hartle: @ELTExperiences @teflerinha my students loved the Baroque music 4 review of voc. #eltchat some of mine find it energizing bu ... |
| rliberni |
12:37 PM |
RT @cioccas: @teflerinha @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan Just need to pick the right tool for the job (or golf club, or something) :-) #ELTchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:38 PM |
@teflerinha @PatrickAndrews @MrChrisJWilson very nice the "Informed Personal Approach". I like it. #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:38 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson Lol :-) #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:38 PM |
@Shaunwilden Agree that mixture of methods works best. #eltchat |
| PatrickAndrews |
12:38 PM |
@Shaunwilden @MrChrisJWilson @ELTExperiences ...and that will affect all we do but is this "blindly following rules" #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:38 PM |
RT @PatrickAndrews: @Shaunwilden @MrChrisJWilson @ELTExperiences What I mean is that if we think e.g lang should be taught in context th ... |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:38 PM |
RT @teflerinha: @ELTExperiences @PatrickAndrews @MrChrisJWilson Think personal approach is right- but should be an informed personal app ... |
| jankenb2 |
12:38 PM |
@PatrickAndrews @ELTExperiences @MrChrisJWilson Not random- always well planned and understood, & flexible to teachable moments #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:38 PM |
@ELTExperiences @PatrickAndrews @MrChrisJWilson Think personal approach is right- but should be an informed personal approach #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
12:38 PM |
My trainees are learning Korean using these methodologies for comparison purposes at the moment :-) #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:39 PM |
RT @esolcourses: @cerirhiannon@rliberni reminded me of @jamiekeddie's PK about getting students drawing :-) http://t.co/1A2GMByn #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:39 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: @PatrickAndrews @ELTExperiences is blindly obeying the "rule" good? Informed selecting has to be the ideal #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:39 PM |
@ELTExperiences @PatrickAndrews @MrChrisJWilson me too- but hasn't IPA already been bagged as an acronym ;) #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:39 PM |
#eltchat so we don't want to blindly pick a methodolgy or blindly pick and choose aspects. We want *informed* selecting appropriate methods |
| rliberni |
12:39 PM |
@teflerinha yes, and above all student focused #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:39 PM |
RT @teflerinha: @ELTExperiences @PatrickAndrews @MrChrisJWilson Think personal approach is right- but should be an informed personal app ... |
| ELTExperiences |
12:39 PM |
@PatrickAndrews @Shaunwilden @MrChrisJWilson what do you mean by rules Patrick? Do you mean too prescriptive with methods? #ELTChat |
| teflerinha |
12:39 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @Shaunwilden Agree that mixture of methods works best. #eltchat> different things work for diff stds #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:39 PM |
@teflerinha As topic setter, is there anything we have not covered yet that you want to discuss? #ELTChat |
| esolcourses |
12:39 PM |
@cerirhiannon@rliberni reminded me of @jamiekeddie's PK about getting students drawing :-) http://t.co/1A2GMByn #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:40 PM |
@theteacherjames @BrunoELT @ELTExperiences @MrChrisJWilson And do we all learn it the same way anyway? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:40 PM |
RT @jankenb2: spice of life...spice of teaching too? #eltchat As we build our toolbox we fine tune our favorites & add new. |
| jankenb2 |
12:40 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden spice of life...spice of teaching too? #eltchat As we build our toolbox we fine tune our favorites & add new. |
| eljeejavier |
12:40 PM |
Taking a break from drafting #iatefl conference abstract. Almost there but not quite! Fingers crossed! Anyone else going? #eltchat #phdchat |
| PatrickAndrews |
12:40 PM |
@teflerinha @ELTExperiences @MrChrisJWilson Agree. #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:40 PM |
@teflerinha One of the real gems along with Jill Hafield's communication activities books. #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
12:40 PM |
RT @esolcourses: RT @MrChrisJWilson: @PatrickAndrews @ELTExperiences is blindly obeying the "rule" good? Informed selecting has to be th ... |
| teflerinha |
12:41 PM |
RT @elleplus1: @rliberni @PatrickAndrews @ELTExperiences @MrChrisJWilson You assimilate the principles; then you can adapt them to diff ... |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:41 PM |
@theteacherjames Is research really going to pin it down? I maintain thatmuch depends on learner type + other factors. #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:41 PM |
tried s/pedia w/ new age music & scents, adult business ss: read them a story & they could repeat it and talked abt it a lot #eltchat |
| elleplus1 |
12:41 PM |
@rliberni @PatrickAndrews @ELTExperiences @MrChrisJWilson You assimilate the principles; then you can adapt them to diff T contexts #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:41 PM |
RT @ELTExperiences: @jankenb2 @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden teachers are only good as their tools #ELTChat |
| PatrickAndrews |
12:41 PM |
@ELTExperiences @Shaunwilden @MrChrisJWilson Reference to rules was in reply to previous message. I'm not into rules. #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:41 PM |
@jankenb2 @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden teachers are only good as their tools #ELTChat |
| PatrickAndrews |
12:42 PM |
Sorry have to go #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:42 PM |
@theteacherjames @BrunoELT @ELTExperiences @MrChrisJWilson Yes, that's my take too. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:42 PM |
@PatrickAndrews Might have lost the thread - why are you not into rules? You mean of language? #ELTChat |
| theteacherjames |
12:42 PM |
@teflerinha @BrunoELT @ELTExperiences @MrChrisJWilson That's the question! (My feeling: no, but with common principles) #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:42 PM |
#eltchat question: Were any of the more experienced teachers an advocate and teacher of an older methodology? (@chiasuan ) |
| rliberni |
12:42 PM |
@ELTExperiences or are they better than the tools which makes the tools good in their hands? #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:42 PM |
@elleplus1 @rliberni @PatrickAndrews @MrChrisJWilson but much of the methods/approaches are dependent upon student expectation. #ELTChat |
| teflerinha |
12:42 PM |
@AlexandraKouk How did that go down?! #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:43 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson yes PPP I was drilled in this and used it all the time initially (until I grew up & realised I could adapt) #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:43 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson @chiasuan No, despite being an old hand ;), only ever did communicative type approach #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:43 PM |
@teflerinha @theteacherjames @BrunoELT @MrChrisJWilson so teaching would include a "Common Balanced Principled Approach"? :-/ #ELTChat |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:43 PM |
@teflerinha my tongue-tied Ss talked nineteen to the dozen :-))) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:43 PM |
@PatrickAndrews Thanks for joining #ELTChat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:43 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson The kinesthetic element is also in these mwtods. Look at TPR. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:43 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe I meant research in the neuroscience, what's going on in the brain kind of way. I think they will, but not soon. #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:44 PM |
@Shaunwilden @teflerinha @theteacherjames @BrunoELT @MrChrisJWilson but there are common principles that sts expect in class. #ELTChat |
| teflerinha |
12:44 PM |
@AlexandraKouk Fab. Actually a friend of mine (very successfully) does spiritual counselling with top flight business people so.. #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:44 PM |
@hartle Why do they come from suggestopedia? Don't think they were invented by Lozanov. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
12:44 PM |
RT @ELTExperiences: @teflerinha @theteacherjames @BrunoELT @MrChrisJWilson so teaching would include a "Common Balanced Principled Appro ... |
| Shaunwilden |
12:44 PM |
@ELTExperiences @teflerinha @theteacherjames @BrunoELT @MrChrisJWilson i would disagree- i dont think it can be 'common' #ELTChat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:44 PM |
RT @rliberni: @MrChrisJWilson yes PPP I was drilled in this and used it all the time initially (until I grew up & realised I could ... |
| esolcourses |
12:44 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @theteacherjames Is research really going to pin it down? I maintain thatmuch depends on learner type + other facto ... |
| michaelegriffin |
12:44 PM |
@teflerinha (Hiii!) This post http://t.co/VT3HZcE4 on CLL might be interesting #Eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
12:44 PM |
RT @elleplus1: @rliberni @PatrickAndrews @ELTExperiences @MrChrisJWilson You assimilate the principles; then you can adapt them to diff ... |
| theteacherjames |
12:45 PM |
@Shaunwilden @ELTExperiences @teflerinha @BrunoELT @MrChrisJWilson I interpret common as meaning key underlying principles. #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:45 PM |
@ELTExperiences @teflerinha @theteacherjames @BrunoELT @MrChrisJWilson hmm but wouldn't needs etc mean not? #ELTChat |
| jankenb2 |
12:45 PM |
@theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe Also technology is changing the way we learn cognitively which impacts lang dev 2 #eltchat Jury still out. |
| ELGazette |
12:45 PM |
RT @michaelegriffin: Congrats on the restarting of #ELTchat ! Have fun folks! |
| rliberni |
12:45 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson I still like aspects pf PPP and use it but it's how you move on from there that counts #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:45 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @MrChrisJWilson The kinesthetic element is also in these mwtods. Look at TPR. #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:45 PM |
@rliberni did you change dramatically or gradually? What caused the shift? #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:46 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson @theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @ELTExperiences @BrunoELT OOh! Big challenge for 12.46 #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:46 PM |
@hartle Did this years ago so not sure how students now would react. #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:46 PM |
@theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @ELTExperiences @teflerinha @BrunoELT let's get listing principles then and see if we can agree #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:46 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson I didn't shift I just let it mellow and other things came along which I added and things developed #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:47 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: @MrChrisJWilson ok! 1. always teach in context #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:47 PM |
@theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @teflerinha @BrunoELT @MrChrisJWilson how do you know my brain is the same as yours? #ELTChat |
| EBEFL |
12:47 PM |
interesting how alternative methods are described in efl histories. Zany 70s methods that fell by the wayside #ELTChat |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:47 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson ok! 1. always teach in context #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:47 PM |
@Shaunwilden @ELTExperiences @teflerinha @BrunoELT @MrChrisJWilson Different people & contexts but all have the same type of brain! #ELTChat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:48 PM |
@theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @ELTExperiences @teflerinha @BrunoELT @MrChrisJWilsonk Now that's a point 4 further discussion. #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
12:48 PM |
Erratic internet connection is making it really difficult to follow #eltchat tonight! Hope it's better for @CamEngTeacher 's webinar later! |
| teflerinha |
12:48 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson OK, 1 of my principles- ss have to notice language to learn it #eltchat > think that fits with SW for eg. |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:48 PM |
@teflerinha yes possible a big mistake :S #eltchat but seamed the logical next step (Prove it!) |
| Shaunwilden |
12:48 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson Isnt that a topic for #ELTChat another day? |
| jankenb2 |
12:48 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson @rliberni #eltchat I've been a teacher for 35 years back when trans was THE way. More like, goals, Ss, context, theory morph |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:49 PM |
RT @jankenb2: @MrChrisJWilson @rliberni #eltchat I've been a teacher for 35 years back when trans was THE way. More like, goals, Ss, con ... |
| theteacherjames |
12:49 PM |
@ELTExperiences @Shaunwilden @teflerinha @BrunoELT @MrChrisJWilson Because we're the same species! (I mean the physical brain) #ELTChat |
| jankenb2 |
12:49 PM |
@ELTExperiences @theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @teflerinha @BrunoELT @MrChrisJWilson #eltchat Not same, similar, w/like behavior patterns. |
| EBEFL |
12:49 PM |
#ELTChat did anyone actually |
| michaelegriffin |
12:49 PM |
Kumaravadevilu offers10 Macrostrategies for language teaching #ELTchat http://t.co/c0nsrrYZ maybe related/maybe not but probably interesting |
| rliberni |
12:49 PM |
OK gr8 chat got to dash teaching at 1.00 thx to gr8 mods @Shaunwilden @BrunoELT & @Marisa_C all experts in multiple methodolgies #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:50 PM |
@EBEFL Think this is where individual learner diffs might cause problems- what works for one person.. #eltchat (& maybe T diff too!) |
| SueAnnan |
12:50 PM |
Me too. Got to get back to the trainees. Lunch is a moveable feast #ELTChat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:50 PM |
RT @EBEFL: interesting how alternative methods are described in efl histories. Zany 70s methods that fell by the wayside #ELTChat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:50 PM |
@ELTExperiences Good question. We all learn differently. Could we do that with exactly the same brain? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:50 PM |
@ELTExperiences It's impossible to say isnt it? #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:50 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson I feel comfortable i my teaching skin tho still lots to learn #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:50 PM |
So which is better: silent way, TPR or suggestopedia? #ELTChat |
| teflerinha |
12:50 PM |
@michaelegriffin Yes, I like this list #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:51 PM |
@SueAnnan @ELTExperiences Oh golf clubs for courses (apparently) :-) #ELTChat |
| theteacherjames |
12:51 PM |
@ELTExperiences @Shaunwilden @teflerinha @BrunoELT @MrChrisJWilson Yes, but I think there are unknown underlying principles. #ELTChat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:51 PM |
@Shaunwilden I suppose the question should be: which approach do you prefer: SW, TPR or Suggestopedia? #ELTChat |
| SueAnnan |
12:51 PM |
@ELTExperiences horses for courses #ELTchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:51 PM |
@theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @teflerinha @BrunoELT @MrChrisJWilson I know, we all have a physical brain but we learn differently #ELTChat |
| jankenb2 |
12:51 PM |
@worldteacher @CamEngTeacher before you go explaing @camteacher's webinar! Where, when, who and how? thanks. #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:52 PM |
@EBEFL Yes, but how do you control all the variables? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
12:52 PM |
@Shaunwilden lol #ELTChat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:52 PM |
@Shaunwilden @SueAnnan … and watch that bunker #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:52 PM |
@ELTExperiences I think one of the conclusions of this #ELTChat is that bits each might work |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:52 PM |
@ELTExperiences Don't think there is one best method for all sts or classes. Taking best out of all & adapting works 4 me. #eltchat |
| michaelegriffin |
12:52 PM |
A much better link that my previous one re: Kumar's 10 macro strategies http://t.co/QER0djW7 #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
12:52 PM |
RT @rliberni: @MrChrisJWilson I feel comfortable i my teaching skin tho still lots to learn #eltchat ] agree - same here |
| teflerinha |
12:52 PM |
@ELTExperiences @theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @BrunoELT @MrChrisJWilson Thnk pepl sumtimes use diff bits of brain for diff tasks #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:53 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe then we get back to my proposed 'Balanced Approach' #ELTChat |
| teflerinha |
12:53 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @ELTExperiences I think one of the conclusions of this #ELTChat is that bits each might work |
| theteacherjames |
12:53 PM |
@teflerinha @ELTExperiences @Shaunwilden @BrunoELT @MrChrisJWilson This is very interesting, but I think we've gone off topic now! #eltchat |
| jankenb2 |
12:53 PM |
@ELTExperiences What is the goal & environment? I use SW or TPR for intro to new verbs. It is fun. I plan to adapt Spda w/images. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:54 PM |
Ok 5 minutes left #ELTChat what conclusions are we reaching? Any more wise words? |
| esolcourses |
12:54 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @ELTExperiences Don't think there is one best method. Taking best out of all & adapting works 4 me ] same here #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:54 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @ELTExperiences I think one of the conclusions of this #ELTChat is that bits each might work |
| SueAnnan |
12:54 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @eltexperiences me too #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:54 PM |
@teflerinha @ELTExperiences @theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @BrunoELT @MrChrisJWilson Agree. #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:55 PM |
#eltchat an "Informed selection" would probably be appreciated by Sir Ken Robinson. (key point of education reform is de-standardisation) |
| ELTExperiences |
12:55 PM |
@teflerinha did they sound like Frank in class? #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:55 PM |
@teflerinha Wow so he did it his way :-) #ELTChat |
| esolcourses |
12:55 PM |
RT @teflerinha RT @Shaunwilden @ELTExperiences I think one of the conclusions of this #ELTChat is that bits each might work ] I'd say so too |
| teflerinha |
12:55 PM |
#eltchat I had a student once who swore they learnt English (to a good level) through listening to Frank Sinatra.. #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:55 PM |
@ELTExperiences I would absolutely go along with that. #eltchat |
| jankenb2 |
12:56 PM |
@ELTExperiences @MarjorieRosenbe balanced approach is vague. Ts may hide behind it to claim they are continuously expanding rep. #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:56 PM |
@teflerinha Did he learn in New york? #eltchat ;) |
| harrisonmike |
12:56 PM |
@Shaunwilden Damn I'll have to read the #eltchat summary later. I'm hoping to talk about exploring alternative approaches at IATEFL |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:56 PM |
@BrunoELT @ELTExperiences @theteacherjames We strive for uniform results but use diverse methods to get there. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:56 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat an "Informed selection" would probably be appreciated by Sir Ken Robinson. |
| teflerinha |
12:56 PM |
@esolcourses @Shaunwilden @ELTExperiences ..& that we need 2 know what we believe abt how people might learn and choose accordingly #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:57 PM |
@jankenb2 @MarjorieRosenbe but a balanced approach is personal and immediate for the class #ELTChat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:57 PM |
@harrisonmike Hope to make your talk. Plan to talk about different learner types & what we can do in classroom. #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:57 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson No he just wanted to be a part of it ;) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:57 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: My feeling is that I'm probably using techniques taken from these methods without realising. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:57 PM |
My feeling is that I'm probably using techniques taken from these methods without realising. #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:57 PM |
RT @jankenb2: @ELTExperiences @MarjorieRosenbe balanced approach is vague. Ts may hide behind it to claim they are continuously expandin ... |
| Shaunwilden |
12:57 PM |
@jankenb2 No vague if justified #ELTChat |
| teflerinha |
12:57 PM |
RT @Raquel_EFL: Planning is crucial.Being aware of these methods/approaches' features, we have a bigger repertoire of solutions 2 improv ... |
| ELTExperiences |
12:57 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @BrunoELT @theteacherjames are we looking at it the wrong way then: diverse results = diverse methods #ELTChat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:58 PM |
This is common - RT @theteacherjames: My feeling is that I'm probably using techniques taken from these methods without realising. #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:58 PM |
@theteacherjames @Shaunwilden Very good- you definitely won that round ;) #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:58 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: My feeling is that I'm probably using techniques taken from these methods w/out realising. #eltchat >v likely we all r |
| esolcourses |
12:58 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden RT @theteacherjames My feeling is that I'm probably using techniques taken from these methods without realising #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:58 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @teflerinha Wow so he did it his way :-) #ELTChat >> Slow handclap... |
| harrisonmike |
12:58 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: My feeling is that I'm probably using techniques taken from these methods without realising. #eltchat |
| jankenb2 |
12:59 PM |
@Shaunwilden Planning a must. Inclds idea that end product or assess piece is known prior to lesson yet "lucky accidents" are gr8 2.#eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:59 PM |
@Shaunwilden @theteacherjames I expect we probably all do that. Ideas which work routinely get passed around from t to t #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:59 PM |
Anyone knpw the book 'Marching to Different Drummers'. (ASCD) Worth reading. #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
12:59 PM |
@jankenb2 Webinar by Annette Capel on introducing English Profile at 3pm UK time today: http://t.co/W5I5Lidn #eltchat |
| EBEFL |
1:00 PM |
@michaelegriffin @teflerinha improvement (defined in whichever way you choose or by what you're testing) #ELTChat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
1:00 PM |
@theteacherjames My guess is we all are. Thay's the art of teaching. #eltchat |
| jankenb2 |
1:00 PM |
RT @esolcourses: @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames I expect we probably all do that. Ideas which work routinely get passed around from t to ... |
| jankenb2 |
1:00 PM |
RT @worldteacher: @jankenb2 Webinar by Annette Capel on introducing English Profile at 3pm UK time today: http://t.co/W5I5Lidn #eltchat |
| eltknowledge |
1:00 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: RT @Shaunwilden: @teflerinha Wow so he did it his way :-) #ELTChat >> Slow handclap... |
| teflerinha |
1:00 PM |
@EBEFL Is that a kind of protocol? #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
1:01 PM |
RT @michaelegriffin: @EBEFL @teflerinha My sense is that all these are looking for very different kinds of "improvement" #eltchat |
| fionamau |
1:01 PM |
@Shaunwilden I'm just in the door - minutes too late. What's the #eltchat topic tonight? |
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