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how to integrate dictionary work into lessons

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This is the transcript of #eltchat on 18.07.2012 on the topic of how to integrate dictionary work into lessons

 

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theteacherjames 9:01 PM Good evening & welcome to #eltchat, moderated by @SueAnnan & yours truly. Our topic is how to integrate dictionary work into lessons.
SophiaMav 9:02 PM Hello everyone :) #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:02 PM @marcusmurilo  that's great.  #eltchat
leoselivan 9:02 PM hi everyon e
marcusmurilo 9:02 PM #eltchat Really happy that the topic I suggested was picked!!
PlanELT 9:02 PM Hey everyone #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:02 PM I have to say that with the advent of ipads and smartphones my students seem to sort themselves out #ELTchat
marcusmurilo 9:02 PM #eltchat Hello from Brazil! :)
LearnBoost 9:02 PM Hi folks! #eltchat
hartle 9:03 PM #eltchat Depends on levels but higher stds benefit from intro to dictionaries both online and off
SueAnnan 9:03 PM @marcusmurilo  for example? #eltchat
glasgownumana 9:03 PM @#ELTchat hi all...
marcusmurilo 9:03 PM @SueAnnan I like to point out info that Ss can find in dictionaries - esp. things Ss are usually not aware of #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:03 PM @SophiaMav Hi! #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:03 PM @marcusmurilo Congratulations (happened to me too today!) Would you like to kick us off? #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:04 PM @tim_crangle  dictionaries #ELTCHAT
Marisa_C 9:04 PM RT @SueAnnan: I have to say that with the advent of ipads and smartphones my students seem to sort themselves out #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:04 PM @hartle  my school provides dictionaries but no-one uses them any more :-( #eltchat
tim_crangle 9:04 PM @SueAnnan Are yr students using online dictionaries or translating software like Google Translate? #ELTCHAT
theteacherjames 9:04 PM Does anyone insist on their learners having dictionaries at hand? #eltchat
jessica_stew 9:04 PM #eltchat Agreed. My kids in China all had electronic dictionaries.  But they still often mis-used the words they found
marcusmurilo 9:04 PM @SueAnnan eg, dependent prepositions, past form of verbs, whether certain nouns are count or noncount... #eltchat
tim_crangle 9:05 PM Some  r allowed dictn in exams so need practice RT @theteacherjames: Does anyone insist on their lrnrs having dictionaries at hand? #ELTCHAT
theteacherjames 9:05 PM @jessica_stew I've never been a fan of those little electronic dictionaries. They just don't seem very good to me. #eltchat
PlanELT 9:05 PM @theteacherjames My Ss all have learner dictionaries on their tables #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:05 PM @Marisa_C  excellent #Eltchat
EileeMur 9:06 PM hello all #eltchat
LearnBoost 9:06 PM Broadening vocab & perspective: have a grp of students find a word in the dictionary & create a skit entirely around it! Super fun #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:06 PM @hartle I also think lower lvl Ss benefit from being trained abt dictionary use - esp b/c they rely more heavily on bilingual dicts #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:06 PM @PlanELT Does that come from you, or do they bring them? #eltchat
singernick 9:06 PM Hi everyone #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:06 PM @BrunoELT  But there are some great online dictionaries. My proficiency class use them all through the day #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:07 PM RT @LearnBoost: Broadening vocab & perspective: have a grp of students find a wrd in the dictnry & create a skit  arnd it! Super #eltchat
LearnBoost 9:07 PM @sueannan @BrunoELT any favorite online dictionaries? #ELTchat
tim_crangle 9:07 PM @EileeMur Hello #ELTCHAT
PlanELT 9:07 PM @theteacherjames they are provided by the university, try to move away from translation to looking up the meanings in English #eltchat
tim_crangle 9:07 PM yes RT @marcusmurilo: @hartle I also think lower lvl Ss benefit from being trained abt dictionary use #ELTCHAT
theteacherjames 9:08 PM @jessica_stew Exactly the kind of problem I meant (don't forget the #eltchat hashtag!)
SophiaMav 9:08 PM @EileeMur hi Eileen #ELTchat
marcusmurilo 9:08 PM @theteacherjames I don't insist, but I do encourage them. And it's easier nowadays anyway because of smartphones #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:08 PM @LearnBoost  they use mirriam webster mostly, but one uses macmillan, and they check against each others #ELTchat
vickyloras 9:08 PM RT @theteacherjames: Good evening & welcome to #eltchat, moderated by @SueAnnan & yours truly. Our topic is how to integrate dictionary work into lessons.
tim_crangle 9:08 PM WordReference  for me RT @LearnBoost: @sueannan @BrunoELT any favorite online dictionaries? #ELTCHAT
theteacherjames 9:08 PM @PlanELT Well that's definitely a step in the right direction! #eltchat
vickyloras 9:09 PM My students use mostly online dictionaries, or apps on their smartphones and tablets #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:09 PM @EileeMur Hi, welcome to #eltchat
glasgownumana 9:09 PM #eltchat with low levels I start with games , alphabet games then word hunt games
marcusmurilo 9:09 PM @LearnBoost @sueannan @BrunoELT I really like Longman's LDOCE, though I find Cobuild more learner-friendly #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:09 PM @singernick  thank you #ElTchat
hartle 9:09 PM #eltchat I agree that having dix to hand doesn't mean learners know how to use them. I have videos for dictionary use http://t.co/0dBuBmuC
PlanELT 9:09 PM @theteacherjames yeah- takes a lot of persistence to get them to use the dictionaries instead of their ipads though! #eltchat
singernick 9:09 PM @LearnBoost @sueannan @BrunoELT #ElTchat http://t.co/Ejmt5Xwd is my favourite
theteacherjames 9:09 PM RT @jessica_stew: Hm yes we had the problem of the e-dictionaries being too abridged, often with only 1 definition for words #eltchat
vickyloras 9:10 PM @SueAnnan And I try to encourage them to use monolingual dictionaries #ELTchat
marcusmurilo 9:10 PM @hartle Wow! That's great!! :) #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:10 PM RT @hartle: #eltchat I agree that having dix to hand doesn't mean learners know how to use them. I have videos for dictionary use http://t.co/0dBuBmuC
EileeMur 9:10 PM @SueAnnan @LearnBoost I like the macmillan one too #eltchat and good idea checking one dictionary against another.
SueAnnan 9:10 PM @vickyloras  mine too #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:10 PM RT @LearnBoost: @sueannan @BrunoELT any favorite online dictionaries? #ELTchat
leoselivan 9:11 PM @LearnBoost @sueannan @BrunoELT my fave r Cambridge, Macmillan & LDOCE see my post abt dix & other tools here http://t.co/ly7mi73n #eltchat
vickihollett 9:11 PM Does anyone know a learners dictionary with a serach blog that I can put on a blog? #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:11 PM RT @vickyloras: @SueAnnan And I try to encourage them to use monolingual dictionaries #ELTchat Mine generally do anyway
ELTchat 9:11 PM @SueAnnan @theteacherjames just sorted myself out re tweetdeck - web access here not available all over - borrowing a mac
theteacherjames 9:11 PM @PlanELT Why insist? #eltchat
singernick 9:11 PM @vickyloras same here #ELTchat
vickyloras 9:11 PM RT @hartle: #eltchat I agree that having dix to hand doesn't mean learners know how to use them. I have videos for dictionary use http://t.co/0dBuBmuC
LearnBoost 9:11 PM @marcusmurilo @sueannan @BrunoELT @singernick Thx! Great rsrcs. Writing a series of blog posts on #elt resources - this will help! #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:12 PM RT @hartle: #eltchat I agree that having dix to hand doesn't mean learners know how to use them. I have videos for dictionary use http://t.co/0dBuBmuC
leoselivan 9:12 PM @vickihollett what do you mean by a search blog Vicki?
vickyloras 9:12 PM RT @leoselivan: @LearnBoost @sueannan @BrunoELT my fave r Cambridge, Macmillan & LDOCE see my post abt dix & other tools here http://t.co/ly7mi73n #eltchat
vickihollett 9:12 PM Sorry, I meant does anyone know a learners dictionary witha SEARCH BOX that I can put on a blog #ELTCHAT
vickyloras 9:12 PM @SueAnnan That's great! #ELTchat
Yohimar 9:12 PM Mine too! "@vickyloras: My students use mostly online dictionaries, or apps on their smartphones and tablets #ELTchat"
theteacherjames 9:13 PM RT @vickihollett: Sorry, I meant does anyone know a learners dictionary witha SEARCH BOX that I can put on a blog #ELTCHAT
leoselivan 9:13 PM monolingual dicts are a must. They give context, provide natural examples, highlight collocations and colligations. #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:13 PM @vickyloras Which ones Vicky? #ELTchat
glasgownumana 9:13 PM RT @SueAnnan: RT @vickyloras: @SueAnnan And I try to encourage them to use monolingual dictionaries #ELTchat Mine generally do anyway
SueAnnan 9:13 PM RT @leoselivan: my fave r Cambridge, Macmillan & LDOCE see my post abt dix & other tools here http://t.co/Skrj5llT #eltchat
SophiaMav 9:14 PM RT @leoselivan: monolingual dicts are a must. They give context, provide natural examples, highlight collocations and colligations. #eltchat
leoselivan 9:14 PM Another useful technique is to encourage Ss to look up twice: after checking meaning in biling dict look it up in a monoling dict. #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:14 PM @leoselivan Even at lower levels? #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:14 PM @vickihollett http://t.co/8EalA6O5 #eltchat
jessica_stew 9:14 PM #eltchat Idea: Learners search Google Blogs to find authentic use of vocab words
SueAnnan 9:14 PM @leoselivan  very true, and they provide the stress markers and phonology too #eltchat
EileeMur 9:15 PM @leoselivan Yes - thanks for the reminder! That can bring up interesting points #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:15 PM RT @leoselivan: Another useful technique is to encourage Ss to look up twice: after checking meaning in biling dict look it up in a monoling dict. #eltchat
PlanELT 9:15 PM @theteacherjames don't always insist but think looking up a translation uses lower order thinking skills whereas... #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:15 PM RT @vickyloras: @theteacherjames They use http://t.co/0pDUI4lx, Macmillan, Oxford (and some an Eng-German one ; ) #ELTchat
vickyloras 9:15 PM RT @leoselivan: monolingual dicts are a must. They give context, provide natural examples, highlight collocations and colligations. #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:15 PM I always ask students to expand their search to find the word 'family' or other parts of speech :-) #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:15 PM @ELTchat @SueAnnan Good to see you! :-)
vickyloras 9:15 PM @theteacherjames They use http://t.co/0pDUI4lx, Macmillan, Oxford (and some an Eng-German one ; ) #ELTchat
SophiaMav 9:16 PM @theteacherjames @leoselivan there are monolingual dictionaries for beginners i.e. simple def, pictures etc #ELTchat
leoselivan 9:16 PM @theteacherjames Cambridge has two levels: Advanced and Basic Learner's version #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:16 PM @tim_crangle  why?  #eltchat
vickihollett 9:16 PM @marcusmurilo Thanks Marcus, but I'm looking for a learners dictionary search box, rather than a normal dictionary #ELTchat
PlanELT 9:16 PM @theteacherjames having to engage with meanings in English may use higher order thinking skills, more likely to lead to acquisition #eltchat
tim_crangle 9:16 PM Some of my ss see monolingual dict as a ripoff - they just don't get the point #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:16 PM @leoselivan This is esp true of words that can be translated variously & is a skill most Ss don't develop naturally #eltchat
ELTchat 9:17 PM i am in the itdi room but cannot chat - impossible - can u tell ppl am sorry but system not working
marcusmurilo 9:17 PM @BrunoELT I get Ss to compare words which are similar, but they have trouble understanding (eg, say & tell) #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:17 PM I sometimes use picture dictionaries with adults who need very specific vocabulary #ELTchat
LauraAustinNow 9:17 PM @tim_crangle guess they need to be taught how to use it #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:18 PM RT @TheSchoolAranda: #eltchat Oooh...monolingual or not...this is where I get confused....detail or ease? >> Where do you stand?
tim_crangle 9:18 PM For them a dictionary supposed to give the translation of a word in their language. Otherwise doesn't do job RT @SueAnnan: why?  #eltchat
PlanELT 9:18 PM Also I really like getting Ss to look up words in online copora to find concordances #eltchat
glasgownumana 9:18 PM RT @leoselivan: monolingual dicts are a must. They give context, provide natural examples, highlight collocations and colligations. #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:18 PM @vickyloras  same #ELTchat
glasgownumana 9:18 PM RT @SueAnnan: I always ask students to expand their search to find the word 'family' or other parts of speech :-) #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:18 PM RT @leoselivan: @theteacherjames Cambridge has two levels: Advanced and Basic Learner's version #eltchat
vickyloras 9:18 PM Me too, I use the Oxford one, you? RT @SueAnnan  I sometimes use picture dictionaries with adults who need very specific vocabulary #ELTchat
leoselivan 9:18 PM @EileeMur it was originally proposed by Michael Lewis (Lexical Approach) #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:18 PM @BrunoELT I also use dicts to provide corrective feedback - for example, past forms, count X noncount, pronunciation, spelling... #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:18 PM I got my hands on the Cambridge Bus dic app when it was free recently (now $7!), haven't tried it yet though: http://t.co/3LL1sTTk #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:19 PM @tim_crangle Do you try and persuade them otherwise? #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:19 PM @LauraAustinNow @tim_crangle True! They tend to b very expensive and most learners don't see the point of forking out so much money #eltchat
LauraAustinNow 9:19 PM RT @vickyloras: My students use mostly online dictionaries, or apps on their smartphones and tablets #ELTchat
tim_crangle 9:19 PM Exactly! RT @LauraAustinNow: @tim_crangle guess they need to be taught how to use it #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:19 PM RT @SueAnnan: I always ask students to expand their search to find the word 'family' or other parts of speech :-) #ELTchat
vickyloras 9:20 PM RT @SueAnnan: http://t.co/BdgQ9P4l is a really interesting concordance for checking collocations #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:20 PM http://t.co/BdgQ9P4l is a really interesting concordance for checking collocations #ELTchat
tim_crangle 9:20 PM RT @marcusmurilo:  You're right! They tend to b very expensive and most learners dont see the point of forking out so much money #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:21 PM RT @SueAnnan: http://t.co/BdgQ9P4l is a really interesting concordance for checking collocations #ELTchat
vickihollett 9:21 PM @marcusmurilo That's right- I'd like a learners dictionary search box I can embed in a blog #ELTchat
tim_crangle 9:21 PM Yes, some are allowed mono in exams but they need persuasion RT @theteacherjames: @tim_crangle Do you try and prsde thm otherwise? #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:21 PM RT @SueAnnan: I sometimes use picture dictionaries with adults who need very specific vocabulary #ELTchat >> Anyone else use picture dict?
leoselivan 9:21 PM as much as our ss like the comfort of having a precise 1 word xlation for an L2 word - it's a false notion that Ts should rebut #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:21 PM or phrasal verbs, dependent preps ...#ELTchat
hartle 9:21 PM #eltchat sorry about that. had to move to another computer. Hope access is better :-((
PlanELT 9:22 PM @SueAnnan Wow- love it, I'm going to show my Ss, they really struggle to form correct collocations in writing #eltchat
SophiaMav 9:22 PM RT @SueAnnan: http://t.co/LS9HuvzY is a really interesting concordance for checking collocations #ELTchat > gr8!
EileeMur 9:22 PM RT @SueAnnan: or phrasal verbs, dependent preps ...#ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:22 PM @Marisa_C says hi to everyone, she's having connection problems. #eltchat
leoselivan 9:22 PM besides good dict skills (once again with monoling dict) promote learner autonomy #eltchat
hartle 9:22 PM #eltchat I was saying I teach collocations, lexical grammar etc. with help of dix
singernick 9:23 PM Why not use google as a dictionary. write "define: have" in google search to see what I mean #eltchat
hartle 9:23 PM @SueAnnan phras.in looks interesting. How do you use it? #eltchat
leoselivan 9:23 PM RT @marcusmurilo This is esp true of words that can be translated variously & is a skill most Ss don't develop naturally #eltchat >absltly!
theteacherjames 9:23 PM @tim_crangle I supposed it's all about showing them the benefits. #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:23 PM @PlanELT  it is just such an easy website- really idiot-proof:-) #eltchat
LearnBoost 9:23 PM @glasgownumana Great point! How do you bring monolingual dictionaries into the classroom? #eltchat
EileeMur 9:23 PM RT @SophiaMav: RT @SueAnnan: http://t.co/LS9HuvzY is a really interesting concordance for checking collocations #ELTchat > gr8!
SueAnnan 9:24 PM @hartle  it contains two boxes so when students are unsure of the dep prep for example, they can try two alternatives .... #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:24 PM @singernick does it give you as much info as a learner dictionary? ie, example sentences, pronunciation, etc.? #eltchat
PlanELT 9:24 PM RT @leoselivan: besides good dict skills (once again with monoling dict) promote learner autonomy #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:24 PM @leoselivan YES! That's the main reason why I think we should use dix > to promote AUTONOMY!!! #eltchat
PlanELT 9:24 PM @SueAnnan Brilliant recommendation- thank you! #eltchat
hartle 9:24 PM RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C says hi to everyone, she's having connection problems. #eltchat I sympathize...
leoselivan 9:25 PM @marcusmurilo @LauraAustinNow @tim_crangle as I said above most dicts have FREE online versions these days. But apps do cost money #eltchat
hartle 9:25 PM RT @SueAnnan: @hartle  ....... #eltchat Found it thanks. Looks really useful :-)
SueAnnan 9:25 PM @hartle  and it will show the possibilities in use, they can then check what they want to mean- and Bob's your uncle #eltchat
tim_crangle 9:25 PM Does anyone use Linguee? #eltchat
EileeMur 9:26 PM @tim_crangle Have used it myself for translation jobs - so useful. Just recommended it to some online Ss #eltchat
leoselivan 9:26 PM @theteacherjames yes but what about your earlier comment about lower levels? Dicts provide corpus data in digestible format #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:26 PM @theteacherjames  that's why I like http:// phras.in #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:26 PM To be honest, generally I prefer using corpus to dictionaries. Look at different examples / contexts until meaning becomes clear. #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:27 PM phonemic transcriptions actually represented - ie, Ss didnt know they represented the pron of headword #eltchat
leoselivan 9:27 PM @theteacherjames having said that I am a great fan of corpora and corpus based tools  #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:27 PM RT @hartle: #eltchat here's another one(maybe u've mentioned it) for collocations etc. particular in written work http://t.co/5quzIYt9
jessica_stew 9:27 PM @theteacherjames Why types of corpus? #eltchat
hartle 9:27 PM #eltchat here's another one(maybe u've mentioned it) for collocations etc. particular in written work http://t.co/sDifjE3Z
theteacherjames 9:27 PM RT @SueAnnan: @theteacherjames  that's why I like http:// phras.in #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:27 PM Funny how Ss miss important info b/c of lack of familiarity w dicts. This past semester my elem Ss didn't know what the ... #eltchat
singernick 9:27 PM @marcusmurilo does it give you as much info as a learner dictionary? example sentences, pronunciation, etc.? #eltchat YES
leoselivan 9:28 PM @theteacherjames sorry James :) I thought Sue was a moderator. Play away! #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:28 PM We can never take things for granted in training Ss to use dictionaries, really #eltchat
hartle 9:28 PM RT @leoselivan: @theteacherjames having said that I am a great fan of corpora and corpus based tools  #eltchat Me too :-)
theteacherjames 9:28 PM @leoselivan I was playing devil's advocate, it's the moderators job ;-)  #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:28 PM and they were completely in awe (REALLY!) when I told them why those in their dictionaries #eltchat
hartle 9:28 PM RT @jessica_stew: @theteacherjames Why types of corpus? #eltchat The American Corpus really gd. See link I just posted http://t.co/sDifjE3Z
tim_crangle 9:28 PM Me do same! RT @EileeMur: Have used it myself for translation jobs - so useful. Just recommended it to some online Ss #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:29 PM @leoselivan @LauraAustinNow @tim_crangle and free dictionaries are easier for Ss as they don't have a big tome to lug around!! #eltchat
hartle 9:29 PM #eltchat I'm a fan of corpora but some dictionaries  already done the work so very useful for stds re collocations. We like Longman Contemp.
SueAnnan 9:29 PM @leoselivan  we both are :-) #eltchat
leoselivan 9:29 PM @theteacherjames @hartle @jessica_stew both BNC and COCA are great IMHO #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:29 PM @marcusmurilo  you get the pronunciation in all English dictionaries, and on the Eng side of bilingual ones too #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:29 PM @hartle @jessica_stew I normally use the British National corpus: http://t.co/KGxOBIlX #eltchat
hartle 9:30 PM #eltchat some of my stds have bought the Longman Contemporary iphone app & it really helps their writing skills
SueAnnan 9:30 PM @hartle  I like Collins Cobuild for students and trainee teachers too #eltchat
hartle 9:30 PM RT @theteacherjames: @hartle @jessica_stew I normally use the British National corpus: http://t.co/gxtQrmuz #eltchat That's gd too :-)
marcusmurilo 9:31 PM @SueAnnan @hartle I also find Cobuild dictionaries are easier for Ss - they're more learner-friendly and look less busy #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:31 PM @SueAnnan yes, that's what I told them but they hadnt realized that on their own #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:32 PM @SueAnnan Sure! but I think it's nice for them to understand what those little symbols are #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:32 PM RT @hartle: I also have a selection of dictnary links on R clss blog that they cn refer 2 http://t.co/ufo2tWqv scroll dn list on rt #eltchat
tim_crangle 9:32 PM useful servant but dangerous master goes 4 dix but also 4 online translators - students need to be aware of limits of translators #eltchat
hartle 9:32 PM RT @SueAnnan: @marcusmurilo  it doesn't help if they don't know the signage either.  Needs a teacher to unlock it for them #eltchat
hartle 9:32 PM I also have a selection of dictionary links on our class blog that they can refer to http://t.co/abY5ivkF scroll down list on right #eltchat
EileeMur 9:32 PM RT @hartle: RT @theteacherjames: @hartle @jessica_stew I normally use the British National corpus: http://t.co/gxtQrmuz #eltchat That's gd too :-)
SueAnnan 9:32 PM @marcusmurilo  it doesn't help if they don't know the signage either.  Needs a teacher to unlock it for them #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:33 PM Has anyone ever banned dictionaries? (Confession: I have. I'm not sure why I did though!") #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:33 PM @leoselivan  thanks Leo #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:33 PM @marcusmurilo  I absolutely agree. I do loads with the phonemic chart and pronunciation in class #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:33 PM @SueAnnan Besides, dictionaries always provide a key to symbols - which is how I learned to understand them #eltchat
hartle 9:33 PM RT @marcusmurilo: @SueAnnan @hartle I also find Cobuild dictionaries are easier for Ss #eltchat depends on level perhaps.. Different dix gd
leoselivan 9:33 PM gotta leave early 2nite. May I suggest a quick look at my collection of dictionaries & corpus-based tools? http://t.co/ly7mi73n #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:34 PM @leoselivan Excellent post! I've already favorited it!! :) #eltchat
hartle 9:34 PM R@SueAnnan #eltchat must add Collins Cobuild to my list. It has got overlooked. Different dix gd for different things
leoselivan 9:34 PM @theteacherjames I'd ban electronic dictionaries! #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:34 PM @theteacherjames  I do sometimes get shirty when they insist on checking whether what I explained was right. Grr! #eltchat
tim_crangle 9:34 PM @leoselivan Thanks will look at that #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:35 PM RT @AvaBava: yes, I swear by the Oxford picture dictionary, especially with my low beginner adults! Students love it too #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:35 PM @leoselivan  Take care. Thanks for your input:-) #eltchat
PlanELT 9:35 PM I would ban dictionaries if the activity was about inferring meanings #eltchat
leoselivan 9:35 PM @marcusmurilo @SueAnnan thanks night #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:35 PM @AvaBava I haven't taught many lower level sts, but I imagine it's really useful. (don't forget the #eltchat hashtag!)
vickyloras 9:36 PM RT @leoselivan: gotta leave early 2nite. May I suggest a quick look at my collection of dictionaries & corpus-based tools? http://t.co/ly7mi73n #eltchat
jessica_stew 9:36 PM @theteacherjames #eltchat I did to keep students focused on lecture rather than typing in their dictionaries all class... ;)
theteacherjames 9:36 PM RT @leoselivan: gotta leave early 2nite. May I suggest a quick look at my collection of dictionaries & corpus-based tools? http://t.co/ly7mi73n #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:36 PM RT @AvaBava: students were spending too much time messing with direct translations & not enough thinking about context and meaning #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:36 PM @marcusmurilo  yes. not my favourite time #eltchat
AvaBava 9:36 PM @theteacherjames yes, I have banned electronic handheld dictionaries in my classes #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:36 PM @SueAnnan @theteacherjames haha! sounds too familiar!! #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:36 PM RT @AvaBava:  yes, I have banned electronic handheld dictionaries in my classes #eltchat
tim_crangle 9:37 PM My ss know me as a tech evangelist so it would be hypocritical 4 me to ban them! #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:37 PM I always try to give them a dictionary task a couple of times a week. It stops them using them all the time#ELTChat
marcusmurilo 9:37 PM but it's also important to make room for dicts in classes, with a view to building learner autonomy #eltchat
eflmx 9:37 PM RT @theteacherjames: RT @AvaBava:  yes, I have banned electronic handheld dictionaries in my classes #eltchat
eflmx 9:37 PM RT @theteacherjames: Has anyone ever banned dictionaries? (Confession: I have. I'm not sure why I did though!") #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:37 PM I think it's important to get Ss to understand when they should/n't be using dicts #eltchat
sigardit 9:37 PM Ask students to figure out the meaning of the difficult word from the context first. Let them guess. Only then use a dictionary. #eltchat
singernick 9:37 PM @theteacherjames banned dictionaries? prob so they are forced to describe the word, like in a real situation. #eltchat
PlanELT 9:38 PM @theteacherjames @AvaBava also when Ss try to translate every single word it can temporarily banning dictionaries may be necessary #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:38 PM @jessica_stew @AvaBava I think I banned them because they were over reliant on them. I slowly reintroduced them later. #eltchat
singernick 9:38 PM RT @sigardit: Ask students to figure out the meaning of the difficult word from the context first. Let them guess. Only then use a dictionary. #eltchat
jessica_stew 9:38 PM RT @marcusmurilo: I think it's important to get Ss to understand when they should/n't be using dicts #eltchat
hartle 9:39 PM #eltchat... once again it's a question of giving stds strategies for good usage.
SueAnnan 9:39 PM At low levels, I've found that students sometimes feel insecure without a direct translation of a new word#ELTchat
tim_crangle 9:39 PM V diff to go against the flow when your group live eat and sleep with their tech gadgets - some energy to be harnessed there #eltchat
sigardit 9:39 PM Our LD students use electronic dictionaries but only those that translate at the word level. It helps them. #eltchat
hartle 9:39 PM RT @theteacherjames: @jessica_stew @AvaBava I think I banned them...#eltchat Yes, it all boils down to how they use them really, and so...
theteacherjames 9:39 PM @singernick Yes, I think it's worthwhile to work on reading skills, meaning from context especially. #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:40 PM @hartle  true- but most of the time I don't mind them trying #ELTchat
hartle 9:40 PM RT @vickyloras: #ELTchat Goodnight from Greece, sorry I can't stay longer  Night Vicky
marcusmurilo 9:40 PM what kind of info do you get your Ss to draw out of dictionaries? #eltchat
tim_crangle 9:40 PM RT @PlanELT: @theteacherjames @AvaBava also when Ss try to translate every single word it can temp banning d's may be necessary #eltchat
hartle 9:40 PM RT @SueAnnan: At low levels, I've found that students...direct translation of a new word#ELTchat Yes, but not always possible
SueAnnan 9:40 PM @vickyloras  thanks for taking part Vicky #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:40 PM RT @sigardit: Ask students to figure out the meaning of the difficult word from the context first. Let them guess. Only then use a dictionary. #eltchat
vickyloras 9:40 PM #ELTchat Goodnight from Greece, sorry I can't stay longer
hartle 9:41 PM RT @marcusmurilo: what kind of info ...? #eltchat collocations, definitions, lexical grammar, examples, semantic prosody... pron., frequency
SueAnnan 9:41 PM @marcusmurilo  word families, stress patterns, ough word pronunciation... #eltchat
tim_crangle 9:41 PM @vickyloras Goodnight #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:41 PM RT @PlanELT: @theteacherjames @AvaBava also when Ss try to translate every single word it can temporarily banning dictionaries may be necessary #eltchat
hartle 9:42 PM RT @SueAnnan: @hartle   I don't mind them trying #ELTchat No nothing wrong with translations but they shouldn't be too reliant on them.
SophiaMav 9:42 PM @vickyloras night Vickaki #ELTchat
jessica_stew 9:43 PM @hartle @theteacherjames @AvaBava #eltchat Yep, I had more dictionary use in EFL contexts, students academically used the language not prac
SueAnnan 9:43 PM @hartle  one of the coursebooks I use from time to time asks students to translate- it helps with Lang analysis #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:43 PM How much time do you spend training your students to use dictionaries? #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:44 PM I imagine most people are talking about monolingual learner dictionaries, but do any of u actively use bilingual dicts in class? #eltchat
PlanELT 9:44 PM I like doing a dictionary quest challenge- maybe 30 minutes or so to familiarise Ss with main features + functions #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:44 PM @theteacherjames  very little TBH #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:45 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe:  I actually am grateful when my students look up wods thmseves as it doesn't interrupt the flow of the lesson. #eltchat
SophiaMav 9:45 PM @theteacherjames some introductory lessons and then try to incorporate dict skills activities throughout the year #ELTchat
tim_crangle 9:45 PM OK I'll be honest too and say very little, too! RT @SueAnnan: @theteacherjames  very little TBH #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:45 PM RT @marcusmurilo: I imagine most people are talking about monolingual learner dictionaries, but do any of u actively use bilingual dicts in class? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:45 PM @theteacherjames I actually am grateful when my students look up wotds thmseves as it doesn't interrupt the flow of the lesson. #eltchat
hartle 9:45 PM #eltchat My advanced learners: quite a lot of time but give them the videos to watch http://t.co/aLUB9MQY (scroll down) flipping work
SueAnnan 9:45 PM @marcusmurilo  Only at low levels, and only for a short time #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:46 PM @EileeMur Thanks for coming #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:46 PM @tim_crangle @SueAnnan Me three! #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:46 PM @EileeMur  Thanks for joining us. Goodnight #eltchat
tim_crangle 9:46 PM That's a good one! RT @PlanELT: I like doing a dictionary quest challenge to familiarise Ss with main features + functions #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:46 PM @hartle I didn't want to lose face, but here goes: what is semantic prosody? :$ #eltchat ;)
theteacherjames 9:46 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Are there times when it gets in the way, though? #eltchat
EileeMur 9:46 PM Sorry for not joining in much (slow net & phone calls) but found the #eltchat really useful. Need to go - thanks all and night!
hartle 9:46 PM #eltchat lower levels not so much but basic notions of collocation, pronunciation useful at all levels
jessica_stew 9:47 PM @PlanELT #eltchat This sounds awesome.  Any resources for this?
marcusmurilo 9:47 PM RT @tim_crangle: That's a good one! RT @PlanELT: I like doing a dictionary quest challenge to familiarise Ss with main features + functions #eltchat
hartle 9:47 PM RT @marcusmurilo: @hartle what is semantic prosody? :$ #eltchat ;) Sorry, no face losing: semantic prosody: usually positive or negative...
SueAnnan 9:47 PM @theteacherjames  Most of my students are adults and used to fending for themselves #eltchat
Toniegarza 9:47 PM RT @PlanELT: I like doing a dictionary quest challenge- maybe 30 minutes or so to familiarise Ss with main features + functions #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:48 PM Any good activities to share#ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:48 PM @SueAnnan yes, I feel the same way. #eltchat
tim_crangle 9:48 PM @hartle sounds painful! #eltchat
PlanELT 9:48 PM @tim_crangle thanks! #eltchat
hartle 9:48 PM #eltchat ... so "Utterly" usually goes with negative adjs like "dreadful" for instance.
marcusmurilo 9:48 PM @hartle like 'connotation'? #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:48 PM I would love to hear some of your favourite dictionary activities. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:49 PM @theteacherjames Hasn't yet-so far it's been a huge timesaver. especially helpful in classes with different 1st languages. #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:49 PM @hartle oh, I see... so it's not like 'connotation'... thanks!! ;) #eltchat
jessica_stew 9:49 PM @theteacherjames #eltchat me too
hartle 9:49 PM #eltchat not enough space to describe semantic prosody here but Wikipedia not bad http://t.co/3Jwq0Aht Very useful for advanced learners
SueAnnan 9:50 PM You can play Call my bluff with odd words and spurious definitions too #ELTChat
hartle 9:50 PM RT @tim_crangle: @hartle sounds painful! #eltchat Ha ha  well, it can be :-)
PlanELT 9:50 PM @theteacherjames put defs on wall, give Ss words- 1S per team has to go + read defs + try to memories correct one to tell team #eltchat
hartle 9:50 PM RT @marcusmurilo: @hartle like 'connotation'? #eltchat similar to connotation but linked to "words going together" & not just single words
marcusmurilo 9:50 PM @hartle thanks for the link! #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:51 PM @singernick   I have a whole story like that :-) Too teach how little you actually need a dictionary if you have context:-) #eltchat
hartle 9:51 PM RT @SueAnnan: You can play Call my bluff with odd words and spurious definitions too #ELTChat That's a gd one :-)
singernick 9:51 PM The sentence was written on a piece of drurb. Most drurb, like snow, is osgrave. get sts to work out content #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:52 PM RT @SueAnnan: You can play Call my bluff with odd words and spurious definitions too #ELTChat
SueAnnan 9:52 PM @hartle  Thanks a million for your links #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:52 PM RT @PlanELT: @theteacherjames put defs on wall, give Ss words- 1S per team has to go + read defs + try to memories correct one to tell team #eltchat
hartle 9:52 PM #eltchat sorry everyone Internet access about to bite the dust ... See you all next week :-)
theteacherjames 9:52 PM If you need some inspiration, here's a book that can help you from @CambridgeUPELT : http://t.co/5X01p2m2 #eltchat
singernick 9:53 PM @SueAnnan #eltchat Cats are domestic ningles.Polar bears, which are osgrave ningles, live where there is cridlington :)
marcusmurilo 9:53 PM @theteacherjames @CambridgeUPELT Thanks for the suggestion! :) #eltchat
PlanELT 9:53 PM RT @theteacherjames: If you need some inspiration, here's a book that can help you from @CambridgeUPELT : http://t.co/5X01p2m2 #eltchat
hartle 9:53 PM RT @SueAnnan: @hartle  Thanks a million for your links #eltchat You're welcome, thnx for yours and to you and James for excellent moderating
theteacherjames 9:53 PM @hartle See you Sharon! #eltchat
PlanELT 9:54 PM also- jigsaw definitions like 2 words per group- find defs and then explain to rest of class- saves time for lots of new words #eltchat
senorapidgeon 9:54 PM #eltchat First time! Interesting info!
theteacherjames 9:55 PM RT @singernick: @SueAnnan #eltchat Cats are domestic ningles.Polar bears, which are osgrave ningles, live where there is cridlington :)
SueAnnan 9:55 PM @singernick  LOL.  Korbles are a problem on a bicycle wheel. You need a wudggrumit to repair them  #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:56 PM getting to the time when we need someone to volunteer to write the summary#ELTchat
singernick 9:56 PM RT @SueAnnan: @singernick  LOL.  Korbles are a problem on a bicycle wheel. You need a wudggrumit to repair them  #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:56 PM RT @PlanELT: also- jigsaw definitions like 2 words per group- find defs and then explain to rest of class- saves time for lots of new words #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:56 PM @senorapidgeon Very happy to see you here, hope to see you next week! #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:57 PM It's that time of the chat when we look for a summary writer. Who wants to collect all these great links into a blog post for us? #eltchat
marcusmurilo 9:58 PM @theteacherjames since the topic was my suggestion, it's only fair that I should volunteer I guess ;-) #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:58 PM Any volunteers out there? #ELTchat
tim_crangle 9:58 PM excellent! @SueAnnan @singernick  #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:59 PM @theteacherjames  we've got our summary writer Yay #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:59 PM @marcusmurilo @SueAnnan Yay! We'll be in touch with the transcript. #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:59 PM @marcusmurilo  well done. You are a star #eltchat
tim_crangle 10:00 PM Evening everyone and thanks for all those good ideas! #eltchat
SueAnnan 10:00 PM It just remains to thank each and every one of you for taking part tonight and making the evening so great #ELTchat
theteacherjames 10:00 PM Thanks for another great #eltchat everyone, see you next week.
jessica_stew 10:00 PM #eltchat Headed out. Thanks so much for the great ideas and insights. Enjoyed my first eltchat
singernick 10:01 PM @tim_crangle @SueAnnan #eltchat Here's the whole thing Tim :) http://t.co/iZFCbHch
theteacherjames 10:01 PM RT @SueAnnan: It just remains to thank each and every one of you for taking part tonight and making the evening so great #ELTchat
marcusmurilo 10:01 PM @theteacherjames @SueAnnan OK then! ;-) but I don't have a blog where I can post it. Who should I email the summary to? #eltchat
PlanELT 10:02 PM thank you- really enjoyed the chat #eltchat
SueAnnan 10:02 PM @theteacherjames  #eltchat great stuff #eltchat
theteacherjames 10:02 PM @marcusmurilo  @SueAnnan We can post it to the website directly. I'll send you a link to the transcript as soon as it's ready.  #eltchat

 

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