| username |
time |
status |
| theteacherjames |
9:01 PM |
Good evening & welcome to #eltchat, moderated by @SueAnnan & yours truly. Our topic is how to integrate dictionary work into lessons. |
| SophiaMav |
9:02 PM |
Hello everyone :) #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:02 PM |
@marcusmurilo that's great. #eltchat |
| leoselivan |
9:02 PM |
hi everyon e |
| marcusmurilo |
9:02 PM |
#eltchat Really happy that the topic I suggested was picked!! |
| PlanELT |
9:02 PM |
Hey everyone #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:02 PM |
I have to say that with the advent of ipads and smartphones my students seem to sort themselves out #ELTchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:02 PM |
#eltchat Hello from Brazil! :) |
| LearnBoost |
9:02 PM |
Hi folks! #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:03 PM |
#eltchat Depends on levels but higher stds benefit from intro to dictionaries both online and off |
| SueAnnan |
9:03 PM |
@marcusmurilo for example? #eltchat |
| glasgownumana |
9:03 PM |
@#ELTchat hi all... |
| marcusmurilo |
9:03 PM |
@SueAnnan I like to point out info that Ss can find in dictionaries - esp. things Ss are usually not aware of #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:03 PM |
@SophiaMav Hi! #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:03 PM |
@marcusmurilo Congratulations (happened to me too today!) Would you like to kick us off? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:04 PM |
@tim_crangle dictionaries #ELTCHAT |
| Marisa_C |
9:04 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: I have to say that with the advent of ipads and smartphones my students seem to sort themselves out #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:04 PM |
@hartle my school provides dictionaries but no-one uses them any more :-( #eltchat |
| tim_crangle |
9:04 PM |
@SueAnnan Are yr students using online dictionaries or translating software like Google Translate? #ELTCHAT |
| theteacherjames |
9:04 PM |
Does anyone insist on their learners having dictionaries at hand? #eltchat |
| jessica_stew |
9:04 PM |
#eltchat Agreed. My kids in China all had electronic dictionaries. But they still often mis-used the words they found |
| marcusmurilo |
9:04 PM |
@SueAnnan eg, dependent prepositions, past form of verbs, whether certain nouns are count or noncount... #eltchat |
| tim_crangle |
9:05 PM |
Some r allowed dictn in exams so need practice RT @theteacherjames: Does anyone insist on their lrnrs having dictionaries at hand? #ELTCHAT |
| theteacherjames |
9:05 PM |
@jessica_stew I've never been a fan of those little electronic dictionaries. They just don't seem very good to me. #eltchat |
| PlanELT |
9:05 PM |
@theteacherjames My Ss all have learner dictionaries on their tables #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:05 PM |
@Marisa_C excellent #Eltchat |
| EileeMur |
9:06 PM |
hello all #eltchat |
| LearnBoost |
9:06 PM |
Broadening vocab & perspective: have a grp of students find a word in the dictionary & create a skit entirely around it! Super fun #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:06 PM |
@hartle I also think lower lvl Ss benefit from being trained abt dictionary use - esp b/c they rely more heavily on bilingual dicts #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:06 PM |
@PlanELT Does that come from you, or do they bring them? #eltchat |
| singernick |
9:06 PM |
Hi everyone #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:06 PM |
@BrunoELT But there are some great online dictionaries. My proficiency class use them all through the day #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:07 PM |
RT @LearnBoost: Broadening vocab & perspective: have a grp of students find a wrd in the dictnry & create a skit arnd it! Super #eltchat |
| LearnBoost |
9:07 PM |
@sueannan @BrunoELT any favorite online dictionaries? #ELTchat |
| tim_crangle |
9:07 PM |
@EileeMur Hello #ELTCHAT |
| PlanELT |
9:07 PM |
@theteacherjames they are provided by the university, try to move away from translation to looking up the meanings in English #eltchat |
| tim_crangle |
9:07 PM |
yes RT @marcusmurilo: @hartle I also think lower lvl Ss benefit from being trained abt dictionary use #ELTCHAT |
| theteacherjames |
9:08 PM |
@jessica_stew Exactly the kind of problem I meant (don't forget the #eltchat hashtag!) |
| SophiaMav |
9:08 PM |
@EileeMur hi Eileen #ELTchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:08 PM |
@theteacherjames I don't insist, but I do encourage them. And it's easier nowadays anyway because of smartphones #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:08 PM |
@LearnBoost they use mirriam webster mostly, but one uses macmillan, and they check against each others #ELTchat |
| vickyloras |
9:08 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: Good evening & welcome to #eltchat, moderated by @SueAnnan & yours truly. Our topic is how to integrate dictionary work into lessons. |
| tim_crangle |
9:08 PM |
WordReference for me RT @LearnBoost: @sueannan @BrunoELT any favorite online dictionaries? #ELTCHAT |
| theteacherjames |
9:08 PM |
@PlanELT Well that's definitely a step in the right direction! #eltchat |
| vickyloras |
9:09 PM |
My students use mostly online dictionaries, or apps on their smartphones and tablets #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:09 PM |
@EileeMur Hi, welcome to #eltchat |
| glasgownumana |
9:09 PM |
#eltchat with low levels I start with games , alphabet games then word hunt games |
| marcusmurilo |
9:09 PM |
@LearnBoost @sueannan @BrunoELT I really like Longman's LDOCE, though I find Cobuild more learner-friendly #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:09 PM |
@singernick thank you #ElTchat |
| hartle |
9:09 PM |
#eltchat I agree that having dix to hand doesn't mean learners know how to use them. I have videos for dictionary use http://t.co/0dBuBmuC |
| PlanELT |
9:09 PM |
@theteacherjames yeah- takes a lot of persistence to get them to use the dictionaries instead of their ipads though! #eltchat |
| singernick |
9:09 PM |
@LearnBoost @sueannan @BrunoELT #ElTchat http://t.co/Ejmt5Xwd is my favourite |
| theteacherjames |
9:09 PM |
RT @jessica_stew: Hm yes we had the problem of the e-dictionaries being too abridged, often with only 1 definition for words #eltchat |
| vickyloras |
9:10 PM |
@SueAnnan And I try to encourage them to use monolingual dictionaries #ELTchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:10 PM |
@hartle Wow! That's great!! :) #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:10 PM |
RT @hartle: #eltchat I agree that having dix to hand doesn't mean learners know how to use them. I have videos for dictionary use http://t.co/0dBuBmuC |
| EileeMur |
9:10 PM |
@SueAnnan @LearnBoost I like the macmillan one too #eltchat and good idea checking one dictionary against another. |
| SueAnnan |
9:10 PM |
@vickyloras mine too #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:10 PM |
RT @LearnBoost: @sueannan @BrunoELT any favorite online dictionaries? #ELTchat |
| leoselivan |
9:11 PM |
@LearnBoost @sueannan @BrunoELT my fave r Cambridge, Macmillan & LDOCE see my post abt dix & other tools here http://t.co/ly7mi73n #eltchat |
| vickihollett |
9:11 PM |
Does anyone know a learners dictionary with a serach blog that I can put on a blog? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:11 PM |
RT @vickyloras: @SueAnnan And I try to encourage them to use monolingual dictionaries #ELTchat Mine generally do anyway |
| ELTchat |
9:11 PM |
@SueAnnan @theteacherjames just sorted myself out re tweetdeck - web access here not available all over - borrowing a mac |
| theteacherjames |
9:11 PM |
@PlanELT Why insist? #eltchat |
| singernick |
9:11 PM |
@vickyloras same here #ELTchat |
| vickyloras |
9:11 PM |
RT @hartle: #eltchat I agree that having dix to hand doesn't mean learners know how to use them. I have videos for dictionary use http://t.co/0dBuBmuC |
| LearnBoost |
9:11 PM |
@marcusmurilo @sueannan @BrunoELT @singernick Thx! Great rsrcs. Writing a series of blog posts on #elt resources - this will help! #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:12 PM |
RT @hartle: #eltchat I agree that having dix to hand doesn't mean learners know how to use them. I have videos for dictionary use http://t.co/0dBuBmuC |
| leoselivan |
9:12 PM |
@vickihollett what do you mean by a search blog Vicki? |
| vickyloras |
9:12 PM |
RT @leoselivan: @LearnBoost @sueannan @BrunoELT my fave r Cambridge, Macmillan & LDOCE see my post abt dix & other tools here http://t.co/ly7mi73n #eltchat |
| vickihollett |
9:12 PM |
Sorry, I meant does anyone know a learners dictionary witha SEARCH BOX that I can put on a blog #ELTCHAT |
| vickyloras |
9:12 PM |
@SueAnnan That's great! #ELTchat |
| Yohimar |
9:12 PM |
Mine too! "@vickyloras: My students use mostly online dictionaries, or apps on their smartphones and tablets #ELTchat" |
| theteacherjames |
9:13 PM |
RT @vickihollett: Sorry, I meant does anyone know a learners dictionary witha SEARCH BOX that I can put on a blog #ELTCHAT |
| leoselivan |
9:13 PM |
monolingual dicts are a must. They give context, provide natural examples, highlight collocations and colligations. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:13 PM |
@vickyloras Which ones Vicky? #ELTchat |
| glasgownumana |
9:13 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: RT @vickyloras: @SueAnnan And I try to encourage them to use monolingual dictionaries #ELTchat Mine generally do anyway |
| SueAnnan |
9:13 PM |
RT @leoselivan: my fave r Cambridge, Macmillan & LDOCE see my post abt dix & other tools here http://t.co/Skrj5llT #eltchat |
| SophiaMav |
9:14 PM |
RT @leoselivan: monolingual dicts are a must. They give context, provide natural examples, highlight collocations and colligations. #eltchat |
| leoselivan |
9:14 PM |
Another useful technique is to encourage Ss to look up twice: after checking meaning in biling dict look it up in a monoling dict. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:14 PM |
@leoselivan Even at lower levels? #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:14 PM |
@vickihollett http://t.co/8EalA6O5 #eltchat |
| jessica_stew |
9:14 PM |
#eltchat Idea: Learners search Google Blogs to find authentic use of vocab words |
| SueAnnan |
9:14 PM |
@leoselivan very true, and they provide the stress markers and phonology too #eltchat |
| EileeMur |
9:15 PM |
@leoselivan Yes - thanks for the reminder! That can bring up interesting points #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:15 PM |
RT @leoselivan: Another useful technique is to encourage Ss to look up twice: after checking meaning in biling dict look it up in a monoling dict. #eltchat |
| PlanELT |
9:15 PM |
@theteacherjames don't always insist but think looking up a translation uses lower order thinking skills whereas... #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:15 PM |
RT @vickyloras: @theteacherjames They use http://t.co/0pDUI4lx, Macmillan, Oxford (and some an Eng-German one ; ) #ELTchat |
| vickyloras |
9:15 PM |
RT @leoselivan: monolingual dicts are a must. They give context, provide natural examples, highlight collocations and colligations. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:15 PM |
I always ask students to expand their search to find the word 'family' or other parts of speech :-) #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:15 PM |
@ELTchat @SueAnnan Good to see you! :-) |
| vickyloras |
9:15 PM |
@theteacherjames They use http://t.co/0pDUI4lx, Macmillan, Oxford (and some an Eng-German one ; ) #ELTchat |
| SophiaMav |
9:16 PM |
@theteacherjames @leoselivan there are monolingual dictionaries for beginners i.e. simple def, pictures etc #ELTchat |
| leoselivan |
9:16 PM |
@theteacherjames Cambridge has two levels: Advanced and Basic Learner's version #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:16 PM |
@tim_crangle why? #eltchat |
| vickihollett |
9:16 PM |
@marcusmurilo Thanks Marcus, but I'm looking for a learners dictionary search box, rather than a normal dictionary #ELTchat |
| PlanELT |
9:16 PM |
@theteacherjames having to engage with meanings in English may use higher order thinking skills, more likely to lead to acquisition #eltchat |
| tim_crangle |
9:16 PM |
Some of my ss see monolingual dict as a ripoff - they just don't get the point #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:16 PM |
@leoselivan This is esp true of words that can be translated variously & is a skill most Ss don't develop naturally #eltchat |
| ELTchat |
9:17 PM |
i am in the itdi room but cannot chat - impossible - can u tell ppl am sorry but system not working |
| marcusmurilo |
9:17 PM |
@BrunoELT I get Ss to compare words which are similar, but they have trouble understanding (eg, say & tell) #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:17 PM |
I sometimes use picture dictionaries with adults who need very specific vocabulary #ELTchat |
| LauraAustinNow |
9:17 PM |
@tim_crangle guess they need to be taught how to use it #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:18 PM |
RT @TheSchoolAranda: #eltchat Oooh...monolingual or not...this is where I get confused....detail or ease? >> Where do you stand? |
| tim_crangle |
9:18 PM |
For them a dictionary supposed to give the translation of a word in their language. Otherwise doesn't do job RT @SueAnnan: why? #eltchat |
| PlanELT |
9:18 PM |
Also I really like getting Ss to look up words in online copora to find concordances #eltchat |
| glasgownumana |
9:18 PM |
RT @leoselivan: monolingual dicts are a must. They give context, provide natural examples, highlight collocations and colligations. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:18 PM |
@vickyloras same #ELTchat |
| glasgownumana |
9:18 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: I always ask students to expand their search to find the word 'family' or other parts of speech :-) #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:18 PM |
RT @leoselivan: @theteacherjames Cambridge has two levels: Advanced and Basic Learner's version #eltchat |
| vickyloras |
9:18 PM |
Me too, I use the Oxford one, you? RT @SueAnnan I sometimes use picture dictionaries with adults who need very specific vocabulary #ELTchat |
| leoselivan |
9:18 PM |
@EileeMur it was originally proposed by Michael Lewis (Lexical Approach) #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:18 PM |
@BrunoELT I also use dicts to provide corrective feedback - for example, past forms, count X noncount, pronunciation, spelling... #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:18 PM |
I got my hands on the Cambridge Bus dic app when it was free recently (now $7!), haven't tried it yet though: http://t.co/3LL1sTTk #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:19 PM |
@tim_crangle Do you try and persuade them otherwise? #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:19 PM |
@LauraAustinNow @tim_crangle True! They tend to b very expensive and most learners don't see the point of forking out so much money #eltchat |
| LauraAustinNow |
9:19 PM |
RT @vickyloras: My students use mostly online dictionaries, or apps on their smartphones and tablets #ELTchat |
| tim_crangle |
9:19 PM |
Exactly! RT @LauraAustinNow: @tim_crangle guess they need to be taught how to use it #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:19 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: I always ask students to expand their search to find the word 'family' or other parts of speech :-) #ELTchat |
| vickyloras |
9:20 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: http://t.co/BdgQ9P4l is a really interesting concordance for checking collocations #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:20 PM |
http://t.co/BdgQ9P4l is a really interesting concordance for checking collocations #ELTchat |
| tim_crangle |
9:20 PM |
RT @marcusmurilo: You're right! They tend to b very expensive and most learners dont see the point of forking out so much money #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:21 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: http://t.co/BdgQ9P4l is a really interesting concordance for checking collocations #ELTchat |
| vickihollett |
9:21 PM |
@marcusmurilo That's right- I'd like a learners dictionary search box I can embed in a blog #ELTchat |
| tim_crangle |
9:21 PM |
Yes, some are allowed mono in exams but they need persuasion RT @theteacherjames: @tim_crangle Do you try and prsde thm otherwise? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:21 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: I sometimes use picture dictionaries with adults who need very specific vocabulary #ELTchat >> Anyone else use picture dict? |
| leoselivan |
9:21 PM |
as much as our ss like the comfort of having a precise 1 word xlation for an L2 word - it's a false notion that Ts should rebut #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:21 PM |
or phrasal verbs, dependent preps ...#ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:21 PM |
#eltchat sorry about that. had to move to another computer. Hope access is better :-(( |
| PlanELT |
9:22 PM |
@SueAnnan Wow- love it, I'm going to show my Ss, they really struggle to form correct collocations in writing #eltchat |
| SophiaMav |
9:22 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: http://t.co/LS9HuvzY is a really interesting concordance for checking collocations #ELTchat > gr8! |
| EileeMur |
9:22 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: or phrasal verbs, dependent preps ...#ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:22 PM |
@Marisa_C says hi to everyone, she's having connection problems. #eltchat |
| leoselivan |
9:22 PM |
besides good dict skills (once again with monoling dict) promote learner autonomy #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:22 PM |
#eltchat I was saying I teach collocations, lexical grammar etc. with help of dix |
| singernick |
9:23 PM |
Why not use google as a dictionary. write "define: have" in google search to see what I mean #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:23 PM |
@SueAnnan phras.in looks interesting. How do you use it? #eltchat |
| leoselivan |
9:23 PM |
RT @marcusmurilo This is esp true of words that can be translated variously & is a skill most Ss don't develop naturally #eltchat >absltly! |
| theteacherjames |
9:23 PM |
@tim_crangle I supposed it's all about showing them the benefits. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:23 PM |
@PlanELT it is just such an easy website- really idiot-proof:-) #eltchat |
| LearnBoost |
9:23 PM |
@glasgownumana Great point! How do you bring monolingual dictionaries into the classroom? #eltchat |
| EileeMur |
9:23 PM |
RT @SophiaMav: RT @SueAnnan: http://t.co/LS9HuvzY is a really interesting concordance for checking collocations #ELTchat > gr8! |
| SueAnnan |
9:24 PM |
@hartle it contains two boxes so when students are unsure of the dep prep for example, they can try two alternatives .... #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:24 PM |
@singernick does it give you as much info as a learner dictionary? ie, example sentences, pronunciation, etc.? #eltchat |
| PlanELT |
9:24 PM |
RT @leoselivan: besides good dict skills (once again with monoling dict) promote learner autonomy #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:24 PM |
@leoselivan YES! That's the main reason why I think we should use dix > to promote AUTONOMY!!! #eltchat |
| PlanELT |
9:24 PM |
@SueAnnan Brilliant recommendation- thank you! #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:24 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C says hi to everyone, she's having connection problems. #eltchat I sympathize... |
| leoselivan |
9:25 PM |
@marcusmurilo @LauraAustinNow @tim_crangle as I said above most dicts have FREE online versions these days. But apps do cost money #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:25 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @hartle ....... #eltchat Found it thanks. Looks really useful :-) |
| SueAnnan |
9:25 PM |
@hartle and it will show the possibilities in use, they can then check what they want to mean- and Bob's your uncle #eltchat |
| tim_crangle |
9:25 PM |
Does anyone use Linguee? #eltchat |
| EileeMur |
9:26 PM |
@tim_crangle Have used it myself for translation jobs - so useful. Just recommended it to some online Ss #eltchat |
| leoselivan |
9:26 PM |
@theteacherjames yes but what about your earlier comment about lower levels? Dicts provide corpus data in digestible format #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:26 PM |
@theteacherjames that's why I like http:// phras.in #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:26 PM |
To be honest, generally I prefer using corpus to dictionaries. Look at different examples / contexts until meaning becomes clear. #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:27 PM |
phonemic transcriptions actually represented - ie, Ss didnt know they represented the pron of headword #eltchat |
| leoselivan |
9:27 PM |
@theteacherjames having said that I am a great fan of corpora and corpus based tools #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:27 PM |
RT @hartle: #eltchat here's another one(maybe u've mentioned it) for collocations etc. particular in written work http://t.co/5quzIYt9 |
| jessica_stew |
9:27 PM |
@theteacherjames Why types of corpus? #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:27 PM |
#eltchat here's another one(maybe u've mentioned it) for collocations etc. particular in written work http://t.co/sDifjE3Z |
| theteacherjames |
9:27 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @theteacherjames that's why I like http:// phras.in #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:27 PM |
Funny how Ss miss important info b/c of lack of familiarity w dicts. This past semester my elem Ss didn't know what the ... #eltchat |
| singernick |
9:27 PM |
@marcusmurilo does it give you as much info as a learner dictionary? example sentences, pronunciation, etc.? #eltchat YES |
| leoselivan |
9:28 PM |
@theteacherjames sorry James :) I thought Sue was a moderator. Play away! #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:28 PM |
We can never take things for granted in training Ss to use dictionaries, really #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:28 PM |
RT @leoselivan: @theteacherjames having said that I am a great fan of corpora and corpus based tools #eltchat Me too :-) |
| theteacherjames |
9:28 PM |
@leoselivan I was playing devil's advocate, it's the moderators job ;-) #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:28 PM |
and they were completely in awe (REALLY!) when I told them why those in their dictionaries #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:28 PM |
RT @jessica_stew: @theteacherjames Why types of corpus? #eltchat The American Corpus really gd. See link I just posted http://t.co/sDifjE3Z |
| tim_crangle |
9:28 PM |
Me do same! RT @EileeMur: Have used it myself for translation jobs - so useful. Just recommended it to some online Ss #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:29 PM |
@leoselivan @LauraAustinNow @tim_crangle and free dictionaries are easier for Ss as they don't have a big tome to lug around!! #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:29 PM |
#eltchat I'm a fan of corpora but some dictionaries already done the work so very useful for stds re collocations. We like Longman Contemp. |
| SueAnnan |
9:29 PM |
@leoselivan we both are :-) #eltchat |
| leoselivan |
9:29 PM |
@theteacherjames @hartle @jessica_stew both BNC and COCA are great IMHO #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:29 PM |
@marcusmurilo you get the pronunciation in all English dictionaries, and on the Eng side of bilingual ones too #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:29 PM |
@hartle @jessica_stew I normally use the British National corpus: http://t.co/KGxOBIlX #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:30 PM |
#eltchat some of my stds have bought the Longman Contemporary iphone app & it really helps their writing skills |
| SueAnnan |
9:30 PM |
@hartle I like Collins Cobuild for students and trainee teachers too #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:30 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @hartle @jessica_stew I normally use the British National corpus: http://t.co/gxtQrmuz #eltchat That's gd too :-) |
| marcusmurilo |
9:31 PM |
@SueAnnan @hartle I also find Cobuild dictionaries are easier for Ss - they're more learner-friendly and look less busy #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:31 PM |
@SueAnnan yes, that's what I told them but they hadnt realized that on their own #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:32 PM |
@SueAnnan Sure! but I think it's nice for them to understand what those little symbols are #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:32 PM |
RT @hartle: I also have a selection of dictnary links on R clss blog that they cn refer 2 http://t.co/ufo2tWqv scroll dn list on rt #eltchat |
| tim_crangle |
9:32 PM |
useful servant but dangerous master goes 4 dix but also 4 online translators - students need to be aware of limits of translators #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:32 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @marcusmurilo it doesn't help if they don't know the signage either. Needs a teacher to unlock it for them #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:32 PM |
I also have a selection of dictionary links on our class blog that they can refer to http://t.co/abY5ivkF scroll down list on right #eltchat |
| EileeMur |
9:32 PM |
RT @hartle: RT @theteacherjames: @hartle @jessica_stew I normally use the British National corpus: http://t.co/gxtQrmuz #eltchat That's gd too :-) |
| SueAnnan |
9:32 PM |
@marcusmurilo it doesn't help if they don't know the signage either. Needs a teacher to unlock it for them #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:33 PM |
Has anyone ever banned dictionaries? (Confession: I have. I'm not sure why I did though!") #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:33 PM |
@leoselivan thanks Leo #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:33 PM |
@marcusmurilo I absolutely agree. I do loads with the phonemic chart and pronunciation in class #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:33 PM |
@SueAnnan Besides, dictionaries always provide a key to symbols - which is how I learned to understand them #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:33 PM |
RT @marcusmurilo: @SueAnnan @hartle I also find Cobuild dictionaries are easier for Ss #eltchat depends on level perhaps.. Different dix gd |
| leoselivan |
9:33 PM |
gotta leave early 2nite. May I suggest a quick look at my collection of dictionaries & corpus-based tools? http://t.co/ly7mi73n #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:34 PM |
@leoselivan Excellent post! I've already favorited it!! :) #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:34 PM |
R@SueAnnan #eltchat must add Collins Cobuild to my list. It has got overlooked. Different dix gd for different things |
| leoselivan |
9:34 PM |
@theteacherjames I'd ban electronic dictionaries! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:34 PM |
@theteacherjames I do sometimes get shirty when they insist on checking whether what I explained was right. Grr! #eltchat |
| tim_crangle |
9:34 PM |
@leoselivan Thanks will look at that #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:35 PM |
RT @AvaBava: yes, I swear by the Oxford picture dictionary, especially with my low beginner adults! Students love it too #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:35 PM |
@leoselivan Take care. Thanks for your input:-) #eltchat |
| PlanELT |
9:35 PM |
I would ban dictionaries if the activity was about inferring meanings #eltchat |
| leoselivan |
9:35 PM |
@marcusmurilo @SueAnnan thanks night #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:35 PM |
@AvaBava I haven't taught many lower level sts, but I imagine it's really useful. (don't forget the #eltchat hashtag!) |
| vickyloras |
9:36 PM |
RT @leoselivan: gotta leave early 2nite. May I suggest a quick look at my collection of dictionaries & corpus-based tools? http://t.co/ly7mi73n #eltchat |
| jessica_stew |
9:36 PM |
@theteacherjames #eltchat I did to keep students focused on lecture rather than typing in their dictionaries all class... ;) |
| theteacherjames |
9:36 PM |
RT @leoselivan: gotta leave early 2nite. May I suggest a quick look at my collection of dictionaries & corpus-based tools? http://t.co/ly7mi73n #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:36 PM |
RT @AvaBava: students were spending too much time messing with direct translations & not enough thinking about context and meaning #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:36 PM |
@marcusmurilo yes. not my favourite time #eltchat |
| AvaBava |
9:36 PM |
@theteacherjames yes, I have banned electronic handheld dictionaries in my classes #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:36 PM |
@SueAnnan @theteacherjames haha! sounds too familiar!! #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:36 PM |
RT @AvaBava: yes, I have banned electronic handheld dictionaries in my classes #eltchat |
| tim_crangle |
9:37 PM |
My ss know me as a tech evangelist so it would be hypocritical 4 me to ban them! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:37 PM |
I always try to give them a dictionary task a couple of times a week. It stops them using them all the time#ELTChat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:37 PM |
but it's also important to make room for dicts in classes, with a view to building learner autonomy #eltchat |
| eflmx |
9:37 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: RT @AvaBava: yes, I have banned electronic handheld dictionaries in my classes #eltchat |
| eflmx |
9:37 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: Has anyone ever banned dictionaries? (Confession: I have. I'm not sure why I did though!") #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:37 PM |
I think it's important to get Ss to understand when they should/n't be using dicts #eltchat |
| sigardit |
9:37 PM |
Ask students to figure out the meaning of the difficult word from the context first. Let them guess. Only then use a dictionary. #eltchat |
| singernick |
9:37 PM |
@theteacherjames banned dictionaries? prob so they are forced to describe the word, like in a real situation. #eltchat |
| PlanELT |
9:38 PM |
@theteacherjames @AvaBava also when Ss try to translate every single word it can temporarily banning dictionaries may be necessary #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:38 PM |
@jessica_stew @AvaBava I think I banned them because they were over reliant on them. I slowly reintroduced them later. #eltchat |
| singernick |
9:38 PM |
RT @sigardit: Ask students to figure out the meaning of the difficult word from the context first. Let them guess. Only then use a dictionary. #eltchat |
| jessica_stew |
9:38 PM |
RT @marcusmurilo: I think it's important to get Ss to understand when they should/n't be using dicts #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:39 PM |
#eltchat... once again it's a question of giving stds strategies for good usage. |
| SueAnnan |
9:39 PM |
At low levels, I've found that students sometimes feel insecure without a direct translation of a new word#ELTchat |
| tim_crangle |
9:39 PM |
V diff to go against the flow when your group live eat and sleep with their tech gadgets - some energy to be harnessed there #eltchat |
| sigardit |
9:39 PM |
Our LD students use electronic dictionaries but only those that translate at the word level. It helps them. #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:39 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @jessica_stew @AvaBava I think I banned them...#eltchat Yes, it all boils down to how they use them really, and so... |
| theteacherjames |
9:39 PM |
@singernick Yes, I think it's worthwhile to work on reading skills, meaning from context especially. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:40 PM |
@hartle true- but most of the time I don't mind them trying #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:40 PM |
RT @vickyloras: #ELTchat Goodnight from Greece, sorry I can't stay longer Night Vicky |
| marcusmurilo |
9:40 PM |
what kind of info do you get your Ss to draw out of dictionaries? #eltchat |
| tim_crangle |
9:40 PM |
RT @PlanELT: @theteacherjames @AvaBava also when Ss try to translate every single word it can temp banning d's may be necessary #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:40 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: At low levels, I've found that students...direct translation of a new word#ELTchat Yes, but not always possible |
| SueAnnan |
9:40 PM |
@vickyloras thanks for taking part Vicky #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:40 PM |
RT @sigardit: Ask students to figure out the meaning of the difficult word from the context first. Let them guess. Only then use a dictionary. #eltchat |
| vickyloras |
9:40 PM |
#ELTchat Goodnight from Greece, sorry I can't stay longer |
| hartle |
9:41 PM |
RT @marcusmurilo: what kind of info ...? #eltchat collocations, definitions, lexical grammar, examples, semantic prosody... pron., frequency |
| SueAnnan |
9:41 PM |
@marcusmurilo word families, stress patterns, ough word pronunciation... #eltchat |
| tim_crangle |
9:41 PM |
@vickyloras Goodnight #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:41 PM |
RT @PlanELT: @theteacherjames @AvaBava also when Ss try to translate every single word it can temporarily banning dictionaries may be necessary #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:42 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @hartle I don't mind them trying #ELTchat No nothing wrong with translations but they shouldn't be too reliant on them. |
| SophiaMav |
9:42 PM |
@vickyloras night Vickaki #ELTchat |
| jessica_stew |
9:43 PM |
@hartle @theteacherjames @AvaBava #eltchat Yep, I had more dictionary use in EFL contexts, students academically used the language not prac |
| SueAnnan |
9:43 PM |
@hartle one of the coursebooks I use from time to time asks students to translate- it helps with Lang analysis #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:43 PM |
How much time do you spend training your students to use dictionaries? #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:44 PM |
I imagine most people are talking about monolingual learner dictionaries, but do any of u actively use bilingual dicts in class? #eltchat |
| PlanELT |
9:44 PM |
I like doing a dictionary quest challenge- maybe 30 minutes or so to familiarise Ss with main features + functions #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:44 PM |
@theteacherjames very little TBH #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:45 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: I actually am grateful when my students look up wods thmseves as it doesn't interrupt the flow of the lesson. #eltchat |
| SophiaMav |
9:45 PM |
@theteacherjames some introductory lessons and then try to incorporate dict skills activities throughout the year #ELTchat |
| tim_crangle |
9:45 PM |
OK I'll be honest too and say very little, too! RT @SueAnnan: @theteacherjames very little TBH #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:45 PM |
RT @marcusmurilo: I imagine most people are talking about monolingual learner dictionaries, but do any of u actively use bilingual dicts in class? #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
9:45 PM |
@theteacherjames I actually am grateful when my students look up wotds thmseves as it doesn't interrupt the flow of the lesson. #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:45 PM |
#eltchat My advanced learners: quite a lot of time but give them the videos to watch http://t.co/aLUB9MQY (scroll down) flipping work |
| SueAnnan |
9:45 PM |
@marcusmurilo Only at low levels, and only for a short time #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:46 PM |
@EileeMur Thanks for coming #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:46 PM |
@tim_crangle @SueAnnan Me three! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:46 PM |
@EileeMur Thanks for joining us. Goodnight #eltchat |
| tim_crangle |
9:46 PM |
That's a good one! RT @PlanELT: I like doing a dictionary quest challenge to familiarise Ss with main features + functions #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:46 PM |
@hartle I didn't want to lose face, but here goes: what is semantic prosody? :$ #eltchat ;) |
| theteacherjames |
9:46 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe Are there times when it gets in the way, though? #eltchat |
| EileeMur |
9:46 PM |
Sorry for not joining in much (slow net & phone calls) but found the #eltchat really useful. Need to go - thanks all and night! |
| hartle |
9:46 PM |
#eltchat lower levels not so much but basic notions of collocation, pronunciation useful at all levels |
| jessica_stew |
9:47 PM |
@PlanELT #eltchat This sounds awesome. Any resources for this? |
| marcusmurilo |
9:47 PM |
RT @tim_crangle: That's a good one! RT @PlanELT: I like doing a dictionary quest challenge to familiarise Ss with main features + functions #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:47 PM |
RT @marcusmurilo: @hartle what is semantic prosody? :$ #eltchat ;) Sorry, no face losing: semantic prosody: usually positive or negative... |
| SueAnnan |
9:47 PM |
@theteacherjames Most of my students are adults and used to fending for themselves #eltchat |
| Toniegarza |
9:47 PM |
RT @PlanELT: I like doing a dictionary quest challenge- maybe 30 minutes or so to familiarise Ss with main features + functions #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:48 PM |
Any good activities to share#ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:48 PM |
@SueAnnan yes, I feel the same way. #eltchat |
| tim_crangle |
9:48 PM |
@hartle sounds painful! #eltchat |
| PlanELT |
9:48 PM |
@tim_crangle thanks! #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:48 PM |
#eltchat ... so "Utterly" usually goes with negative adjs like "dreadful" for instance. |
| marcusmurilo |
9:48 PM |
@hartle like 'connotation'? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:48 PM |
I would love to hear some of your favourite dictionary activities. #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
9:49 PM |
@theteacherjames Hasn't yet-so far it's been a huge timesaver. especially helpful in classes with different 1st languages. #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:49 PM |
@hartle oh, I see... so it's not like 'connotation'... thanks!! ;) #eltchat |
| jessica_stew |
9:49 PM |
@theteacherjames #eltchat me too |
| hartle |
9:49 PM |
#eltchat not enough space to describe semantic prosody here but Wikipedia not bad http://t.co/3Jwq0Aht Very useful for advanced learners |
| SueAnnan |
9:50 PM |
You can play Call my bluff with odd words and spurious definitions too #ELTChat |
| hartle |
9:50 PM |
RT @tim_crangle: @hartle sounds painful! #eltchat Ha ha well, it can be :-) |
| PlanELT |
9:50 PM |
@theteacherjames put defs on wall, give Ss words- 1S per team has to go + read defs + try to memories correct one to tell team #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:50 PM |
RT @marcusmurilo: @hartle like 'connotation'? #eltchat similar to connotation but linked to "words going together" & not just single words |
| marcusmurilo |
9:50 PM |
@hartle thanks for the link! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:51 PM |
@singernick I have a whole story like that :-) Too teach how little you actually need a dictionary if you have context:-) #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:51 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: You can play Call my bluff with odd words and spurious definitions too #ELTChat That's a gd one :-) |
| singernick |
9:51 PM |
The sentence was written on a piece of drurb. Most drurb, like snow, is osgrave. get sts to work out content #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:52 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: You can play Call my bluff with odd words and spurious definitions too #ELTChat |
| SueAnnan |
9:52 PM |
@hartle Thanks a million for your links #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:52 PM |
RT @PlanELT: @theteacherjames put defs on wall, give Ss words- 1S per team has to go + read defs + try to memories correct one to tell team #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:52 PM |
#eltchat sorry everyone Internet access about to bite the dust ... See you all next week :-) |
| theteacherjames |
9:52 PM |
If you need some inspiration, here's a book that can help you from @CambridgeUPELT : http://t.co/5X01p2m2 #eltchat |
| singernick |
9:53 PM |
@SueAnnan #eltchat Cats are domestic ningles.Polar bears, which are osgrave ningles, live where there is cridlington :) |
| marcusmurilo |
9:53 PM |
@theteacherjames @CambridgeUPELT Thanks for the suggestion! :) #eltchat |
| PlanELT |
9:53 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: If you need some inspiration, here's a book that can help you from @CambridgeUPELT : http://t.co/5X01p2m2 #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:53 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @hartle Thanks a million for your links #eltchat You're welcome, thnx for yours and to you and James for excellent moderating |
| theteacherjames |
9:53 PM |
@hartle See you Sharon! #eltchat |
| PlanELT |
9:54 PM |
also- jigsaw definitions like 2 words per group- find defs and then explain to rest of class- saves time for lots of new words #eltchat |
| senorapidgeon |
9:54 PM |
#eltchat First time! Interesting info! |
| theteacherjames |
9:55 PM |
RT @singernick: @SueAnnan #eltchat Cats are domestic ningles.Polar bears, which are osgrave ningles, live where there is cridlington :) |
| SueAnnan |
9:55 PM |
@singernick LOL. Korbles are a problem on a bicycle wheel. You need a wudggrumit to repair them #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:56 PM |
getting to the time when we need someone to volunteer to write the summary#ELTchat |
| singernick |
9:56 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @singernick LOL. Korbles are a problem on a bicycle wheel. You need a wudggrumit to repair them #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:56 PM |
RT @PlanELT: also- jigsaw definitions like 2 words per group- find defs and then explain to rest of class- saves time for lots of new words #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:56 PM |
@senorapidgeon Very happy to see you here, hope to see you next week! #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:57 PM |
It's that time of the chat when we look for a summary writer. Who wants to collect all these great links into a blog post for us? #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
9:58 PM |
@theteacherjames since the topic was my suggestion, it's only fair that I should volunteer I guess ;-) #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:58 PM |
Any volunteers out there? #ELTchat |
| tim_crangle |
9:58 PM |
excellent! @SueAnnan @singernick #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:59 PM |
@theteacherjames we've got our summary writer Yay #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:59 PM |
@marcusmurilo @SueAnnan Yay! We'll be in touch with the transcript. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:59 PM |
@marcusmurilo well done. You are a star #eltchat |
| tim_crangle |
10:00 PM |
Evening everyone and thanks for all those good ideas! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
10:00 PM |
It just remains to thank each and every one of you for taking part tonight and making the evening so great #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
10:00 PM |
Thanks for another great #eltchat everyone, see you next week. |
| jessica_stew |
10:00 PM |
#eltchat Headed out. Thanks so much for the great ideas and insights. Enjoyed my first eltchat |
| singernick |
10:01 PM |
@tim_crangle @SueAnnan #eltchat Here's the whole thing Tim :) http://t.co/iZFCbHch |
| theteacherjames |
10:01 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: It just remains to thank each and every one of you for taking part tonight and making the evening so great #ELTchat |
| marcusmurilo |
10:01 PM |
@theteacherjames @SueAnnan OK then! ;-) but I don't have a blog where I can post it. Who should I email the summary to? #eltchat |
| PlanELT |
10:02 PM |
thank you- really enjoyed the chat #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
10:02 PM |
@theteacherjames #eltchat great stuff #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
10:02 PM |
@marcusmurilo @SueAnnan We can post it to the website directly. I'll send you a link to the transcript as soon as it's ready. #eltchat |
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