| username |
time |
status |
| Shaunwilden |
12:01 PM |
Looks like it is 12 BST so time for #eltchat How to help students improve their speaking abilities for proficiency tests |
| worldteacher |
12:02 PM |
RT @rliberni: RT @BrunoELT: #eltchat Good morning from sunny yet cold Rio! and from a wet UK :-( and a VERY wet Vietnam!! :-) |
| rliberni |
12:02 PM |
RT @BrunoELT: #eltchat Good morning from sunny yet cold Rio! and from a wet UK :-( |
| Shaunwilden |
12:02 PM |
@BobK99 we're here :-) #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:03 PM |
@Shaunwilden are we covering a range of exam types or is this CPE? (I'm assuming the former) #eltchat |
| touqo |
12:03 PM |
@rliberni @BrunoELT good afternoon from Finland. Windy, gray skies, too cold for a July. #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
12:03 PM |
Aft'noon from a wet Warwick, UK, where I am putting my writing about 'sampling methods' on hold for #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:04 PM |
RT @pysproblem81: #eltchat - some speaking activities on @ESOLnexus consider exams: http://t.co/oJI3gSED - provide learners with models to analyse & copy |
| worldteacher |
12:04 PM |
RT @rliberni: @Shaunwilden are we covering a range of exam types or is this CPE? (I'm assuming the former) #eltchat >I'm assuming all, too! |
| rliberni |
12:04 PM |
@worldteacher I do a lot of this too & get them to do it and be critical esp. for IELTS Part 2 #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
12:04 PM |
#eltchat - some speaking activities on @ESOLnexus consider exams: http://t.co/oJI3gSED - provide learners with models to analyse & copy |
| worldteacher |
12:04 PM |
Recording students speaking seems to work best for me when prepping them for exams. #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
12:05 PM |
#eltchat At first, students were very reluctant to critique each other, but I think I've unleashed a monster!! :-) |
| CastanedaSusana |
12:05 PM |
Good morning guys, 6.00am in Peru, ready for #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:05 PM |
Firstly lots of general fluency practice then some more focused activities #eltchat |
| Sharonzspace |
12:05 PM |
@shaunwilden build confidence on non-pressured speaking first. Get rid of fear factor #ELTCHAT |
| worldteacher |
12:05 PM |
RT @rliberni: @worldteacher I do a lot of this too & get them to do it and be critical esp. for IELTS Part 2 #eltchat >Me too! |
| Sharonzspace |
12:06 PM |
RT @rliberni: Firstly lots of general fluency practice then some more focused activities #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
12:06 PM |
RT @Sharonzspace: @shaunwilden build confidence on non-pressured speaking first. Get rid of fear factor #ELTCHAT>Absolutely! |
| rliberni |
12:06 PM |
@BrunoELT I guess CPE not one many take anyhow I think #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:06 PM |
Sorry was called away back now #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:07 PM |
@BrunoELT I presume by proficiency they mean http://t.co/ptt61vRV rather than CPE #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
12:07 PM |
RT @rliberni: Firstly lots of general fluency practice then some more focused activities #eltchat>Yes, lots of speaking board games. |
| touqo |
12:07 PM |
How far is technology in this? Can computers tell whether a word is pronounced "correctly"? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:08 PM |
RT @timjulian60: Vocaroo is a useful tool to help ss practise the long turn - they can time themselves speaking for one minute #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:08 PM |
@BrunoELT mine record themselves anyway they want then send me the version they are happiest with (online ss) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:08 PM |
RT @rliberni: What things do students worry about when preparing speaking exams? #eltchat - erm speaking ;-) |
| SophiaKhan4 |
12:08 PM |
RT @teflerinha: How we can use minimal pairs to help L2 listeners to decode what they hear. #eltchat #esol http://t.co/ICmW6xkl |
| teacherphili |
12:08 PM |
@worldteacher How do you record them? Audio-ly? (what's the word? Aurally?) |
| rliberni |
12:08 PM |
What things do students worry about when preparing speaking exams? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:09 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @timjulian60: Vocaroo is a useful tool to help ss practise the long turn - they can time themselves speaking for one minute #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:09 PM |
@Shaunwilden Ha ha - actually mine worry about what the examiner is expecting #eltchat |
| Sharonzspace |
12:09 PM |
@touqo not exactly. Dragon software for speaking towriting but molded to your voice. #ELTCHAT |
| CastanedaSusana |
12:09 PM |
Have SS notice diff between saying sth'correctly' and using the language proficiently (use of vocab and expressions) #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
12:10 PM |
@teacherphili Yes! Start just by using their own mobiles - less intimidating - then use audioboo or voxopop to build up a portfolio.#eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:10 PM |
RT @pysproblem81: #eltchat: @teacherphili @worldteacher http://t.co/XdV2qoDY a really good, simple, learner-friendly online recording app (added #tag) |
| pysproblem81 |
12:10 PM |
#eltchat: @teacherphili @worldteacher http://t.co/XdV2qoDY a really good, simple, learner-friendly online recording app (added #tag) |
| Sharonzspace |
12:10 PM |
@rliberni the exam room and facing the examiners for speaking can terrify them. #ELTCHAT |
| rliberni |
12:11 PM |
RT @worldteacher: @teacherphili Yes! Start just by using their own mobiles - less intimidating - then use audioboo or voxopop to build up a portfolio.#eltchat |
| timjulian60 |
12:11 PM |
Thinking silently for a minute about the pic etc before starting to speak can also help them gain confidence #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:11 PM |
@Sharonzspace @BrunoELT @Shaunwilden interesting - but these things can really distract them from performing well I feel #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
12:12 PM |
RT @timjulian60: Thinking silently for a minute about the pic etc before starting to speak can also help them gain confidence #eltchat >Yes! |
| Shaunwilden |
12:12 PM |
@timjulian60 Though an examiner might misunderstand this and think they dont know what to say :-) #eltchat |
| EileeMur |
12:12 PM |
Hello #eltchat! Am a little late (and it's been a while since I last attended). Just going to follow and RT. Happy to be here again! |
| teacherphili |
12:12 PM |
@timjulian60 yes, I've used that method and been clear as the interlocutor that they have a minute in which to formulate some ideas #ELTchat |
| worldteacher |
12:12 PM |
@BrunoELT Nerves are a huge problem for my students - use a lot of roleplay with someone being their 'worst nightmare' examiner! #eltchat |
| Sharonzspace |
12:13 PM |
@rliberni @brunoelt @shaunwilden absolutely. They need some strategies to get over that fear #ELTCHAT |
| rliberni |
12:13 PM |
@teacherphili and they should use that minute quite constructively so that it will help them with the talk (guessing IELTS here) #eltchat |
| miltonsr9 |
12:13 PM |
eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:13 PM |
RT @timjulian60: Even native speakers stumble when faced with CAE/CPE tasks - it's all about practice in assembling your thoughts #eltchat |
| timjulian60 |
12:13 PM |
Even native speakers stumble when faced with CAE/CPE tasks - it's all about practice in assembling your thoughts #eltchat |
| touqo |
12:13 PM |
Thinking of young pupils: Children love funny accents and voices. Maybe you apply that and teach proper pronounciation on the side. #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
12:14 PM |
Fluency or Accuracy, then? Do we encourage one more than the other here? #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:14 PM |
@timjulian60 this is very true and it has to be practised and prepared well - no off the cuff! #eltchat |
| andyscott55 |
12:14 PM |
#ELTchat ss dread the sound of the marker scribbling away furiously as they speak |
| rliberni |
12:14 PM |
RT @timjulian60: Even native speakers stumble when faced with CAE/CPE tasks - it's all about practice in assembling your thoughts #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:14 PM |
@Sharonzspace @rliberni @brunoelt And those strategies would be? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:14 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @timjulian60 Though an examiner might misunderstand this and think they dont know what to say :-) #eltchat a big danger! |
| Shaunwilden |
12:15 PM |
@andyscott55 Dont we all (he says after making frantic notes when observing andy recently :-)) #eltchat |
| timjulian60 |
12:15 PM |
Surprisingly, Italian teens are good at orals - part of their "interogazione" school/uni exam culture #eltchat |
| EileeMur |
12:15 PM |
@BrunoELT Thanks! Bit rusty - but will try ;) #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
12:15 PM |
@timjulian60 @Shaunwilden Agree that thinking time is really important - aren't all interlocutors trained to give such time? #eltchat |
| Sharonzspace |
12:16 PM |
@timjulian60 some of the tasks throw me or are hard to discuss. Need practice #ELTCHAT |
| worldteacher |
12:16 PM |
@teacherphili I try for both, but push for fluency more - 'drying up' is the worst scenario - difficult to get going again! #eltchat |
| timjulian60 |
12:16 PM |
@worldteacher they only get that thinking time in CPE - not lower exams. It's BANG, TALK! #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:16 PM |
@teacherphili I would say fluency accuracy more diff in the heat of the moment & usually most imp is communication of ideas #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
12:17 PM |
RT @rliberni: @teacherphili I would say fluency accuracy more diff in the heat of the moment & usually most imp is communication of ideas #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
12:18 PM |
@timjulian60 My KET for schools experience was all in Italy - definitely had thinking time at the Venice test centre! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:18 PM |
RT @andyscott55: #ELTchat its fun practising the long turn with silly topics ... reduces stress &ss can concentrate on sequencing their talk |
| EileeMur |
12:18 PM |
@worldteacher I hope interlocutors consider 'thinking time' 2 #eltchat I tell Ss better to take a moment than misunderstand / not be ready |
| andyscott55 |
12:18 PM |
#ELTchat its fun practising the long turn with silly topics ... reduces stress factor and ss can concentrate on sequencing their talk |
| timjulian60 |
12:18 PM |
@Sharonzspace absolutely. had to give my bilingual son loads of practice before CAE, and we speak all the time in English #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
12:18 PM |
@timjulian60 They do in IELTS and in KET and PET the testers I know all allow thinking time! #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
12:19 PM |
in order to avoid them 'drying up' or not having the vocabulary #ELTchat |
| touqo |
12:19 PM |
@BrunoELT think of e.g. cartoon characters. You could even teach different English accents, start with Bugs Bunny (Brooklyn) :-) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:19 PM |
@teacherphili Are you suggesting that is a good or bad thing? #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
12:19 PM |
RT @EileeMur: I hope interlocutors consider 'thinking time' 2 #eltchat I tell Ss better to take a moment than misunderstand/not be ready>Yes |
| rliberni |
12:19 PM |
They also need to know that examiners want them to do well really but they must demo ability #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
12:19 PM |
I've been in situations where the internal speaking test was based around Very familiar pictures of things the ss recognised #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:20 PM |
@Shaunwilden @andyscott55 yes, put silly topics in a cup at home & then pick one out a do 1 min/2mins each time they pass the cup #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
12:20 PM |
@timjulian60 Maybe we had particularly nice interlocutors in Venice!! #eltchat |
| EileeMur |
12:20 PM |
@Shaunwilden @andyscott55 definitely (silly topics)! they are then warmed up for 'real' tasks later #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
12:21 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @andyscott55: #ELTchat its fun practising the long turn with silly topics ... > 'Dulce est desipere in loco' as they say |
| marcusmurilo |
12:21 PM |
lurking... :S #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
12:21 PM |
@Shaunwilden I was testing the waters - feeling for fluency over accuracy as @rliberni stated - it's about communication of meaning #ELTchat |
| teacherphili |
12:22 PM |
@Shaunwilden well that's what I did in my situation. It wasn't IELTS, though. #ELTchat |
| worldteacher |
12:22 PM |
RT @timjulian60: had to give my son loads of practice for CAE, and we speak in English #eltchat>Yes, exam technique doesn't come naturally |
| Shaunwilden |
12:22 PM |
@marcusmurilo we can see you ;-) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:22 PM |
@teacherphili Aha but then I presume they are marked only on fluency? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:23 PM |
RT @marcusmurilo: lurking... :S #eltchat >> Me too! |
| Shaunwilden |
12:24 PM |
RT @BrunoELT: #eltchat What role does personalization play in a Speaking test? What you think? |
| harrisonmike |
12:24 PM |
RT @touqo: I recall the small vocabulary and having to search for words was a drag when I studied English, not really the pronunciation part. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:24 PM |
@Shaunwilden @teacherphili it's a comb of communication, coherence, vocab & grammar generally I think (in IELTS anyway) #eltchat |
| touqo |
12:24 PM |
I recall the small vocabulary and having to search for words was a drag when I studied English, not really the pronunciation part. #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
12:25 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: The key to being ready for a test (speaking or otherwise) is for the st to know the format of the test inside out. No surprises. #eltchat |
| timjulian60 |
12:25 PM |
Ss from many cultures (eg Italy) find it odd to address each other and not the interlocutor - think it's rude #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:25 PM |
The key to being ready for a test (speaking or otherwise) is for the st to know the format of the test inside out. No surprises. #eltchat |
| EileeMur |
12:25 PM |
@worldteacher @timjulian60 similar story in my house - true, the technique needs practice #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:25 PM |
@timjulian60 or even IELTS #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
12:25 PM |
@BrunoELT IME some institutions 'help' ss by making it easier w. familiar pics. But probably not common. Don't wish to name/shame #ELTchat |
| cybraryman1 |
12:25 PM |
My Pronunciation page: http://t.co/SPgjuthW #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:25 PM |
@touqo #eltchat it's having the tools right? Being able to put the words into order and be understood. |
| touqo |
12:26 PM |
Yes! RT @harrisonmike @touqo #eltchat it's having the tools right? Being able to put the words into order and be understood. |
| teacherphili |
12:26 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: The key to being ready for a test is for the st to know the format of the test inside out. #eltchat & lots of practice |
| rliberni |
12:26 PM |
@teacherphili @Shaunwilden danger of focusing on accuracy or grammar over fluency is ss think about words & grammar & don't speak #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:26 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: The key to being ready for a test is for the st to know the format of the test inside out. No surprises. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:27 PM |
@BrunoELT we all like speaking about ourselves so it must be helpful also have things to say, tell stories etc.. #eltchat |
| vidalw5 |
12:27 PM |
eltchat |
| andyscott55 |
12:27 PM |
#ELTchat pesonalisation so important - when ss talk about something that matters to them, they sound soooo naturally enthusiastic |
| BobK99 |
12:27 PM |
RT @marcusmurilo: lurking... :S #eltchat >I sense a philosophical trap :-) |
| harrisonmike |
12:27 PM |
@timjulian60 @worldteacher time to think built into 'long turn' questions in Cambridge ESOL Skills 4Life quals http://t.co/vFrdOvgW #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:27 PM |
We've had lots of advice and dos and donts so far, what about some tasks / activities that sts and teachers can employ? #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
12:27 PM |
RT @rliberni danger of focusing on accuracy or grammar over fluency is ss think about words & grammar & don't speak #eltchat < True |
| rliberni |
12:27 PM |
RT @cybraryman1: My Pronunciation page: http://t.co/SPgjuthW #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:28 PM |
@esolcourses @Shaunwilden excellent!!! #eltchat #guardian |
| worldteacher |
12:28 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: @timjulian60 time to think built into 'long turn' questions in Cambridge ESOL Skills 4Life quals #eltchat >Good to know! |
| harrisonmike |
12:28 PM |
RT @esolcourses: RT @Shaunwilden: Good to see an the #eltchat making it into the guardian :-) http://t.co/SzWxDyxq Yay! tis indeed :-) |
| theteacherjames |
12:28 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: We've had lots of advice and dos and donts so far, what about some tasks / activities that sts and teachers can employ? #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:29 PM |
@worldteacher @timjulian60 not sure they are long of this world though =( #eltchat #fundingchanges #quals |
| timjulian60 |
12:29 PM |
RT @andyscott55: #ELTchat pesonalisation so important - when ss talk about something that matters to them, they sound soooo naturally enthusiastic |
| theteacherjames |
12:29 PM |
@Shaunwilden Either the test should be based on what has been done in the lessons, or the lessons are based on what is in the test. #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:29 PM |
RT @andyscott55: #ELTchat pesonalisation so important - when ss talk about something that matters to them, they sound soooo naturally enthusiastic |
| Shaunwilden |
12:29 PM |
RT @rliberni: @Shaunwilden just a minute, role-play, info-gap exs, #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:29 PM |
@Shaunwilden just a minute, role-play, info-gap exs, #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:30 PM |
@touqo Love chinese whispers :-) #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:30 PM |
@Shaunwilden That's why I don't like tests! #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
12:30 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: The key to being ready for a test (speaking or otherwise) is for the st to know the format of the test inside out. No surprises. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:30 PM |
@theteacherjames hmm does that mean we teach for the test rather than for the sts to achieve a level? #eltchat |
| touqo |
12:30 PM |
@Shaunwilden how abt Chinese whispers / broken phone among the sts in a class? When the message gets ok back 2 the tchr, take next. #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
12:30 PM |
@Shaunwilden Activities - 'just a minute', 'impromptu speeches', dialogue writing, roleplays, 'interruption', 'beat the buzzer' #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:31 PM |
@theteacherjames They serve a purpose - I think if we use sth like the CEF we can avoid simply teaching for a test #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:31 PM |
@Shaunwilden Either they are necessary for an external reason (e.g IELTS) or don't bother, in my view. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:31 PM |
I find with online ss just the meta-language around going thru writing or practising reading & listening strategies helps amazingly #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
12:32 PM |
task depends on aim (monologic/dialogic) #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
12:32 PM |
@Shaunwilden @theteacherjames I'd expect Ss to have already achieved a certain level when doing exam prep, wouldn't you? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:32 PM |
@Shaunwilden True. I think a test based on the lessons is far more preferable than the opposite. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:32 PM |
@worldteacher And by shadowing you mean?........#eltchat |
| EileeMur |
12:32 PM |
@Shaunwilden Ss each choose topics to talk about, pick out of hat (small groups) & use for similar task to FCE pt 3 #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
12:32 PM |
Went to a workshop on 'shadowing to improve speaking' recently - fascinating! Trying it in class at the moment. #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
12:32 PM |
just arrived. catching up #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:33 PM |
@theteacherjames @marcusmurilo Are we dragging ourselves off topic? #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
12:33 PM |
How about story telling where each student tells one line and next must complete in his/her own way #eltchat |
| marcusmurilo |
12:33 PM |
@Shaunwilden @theteacherjames For me exam classes are more about helping Ss hone certain skills & familiarizing them w exam format #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:33 PM |
@marcusmurilo @Shaunwilden You would expect it, but some institutions just love testing for no discernible reason. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:33 PM |
@marcusmurilo well depends on what we mean by exam he said mischievously :-) #eltchat |
| Sharonzspace |
12:33 PM |
@timjulian60 I know the feeling. You have to get inside the mind of the exam and shre that with learners. not just about speaking #ELTCHAT |
| EileeMur |
12:34 PM |
@Shaunwilden also getting Ss to observe each other doing parts of tasks & give feedback can be v. useful #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:34 PM |
@Shaunwilden @marcusmurilo Yes we are! #getbackontrack #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:34 PM |
RT @worldteacher: Start by repeating what your partner says, then move on to paraphrasing, like a translator, but in same language #eltchat |
| Sharonzspace |
12:34 PM |
@Shaunwilden @rliberni @BrunoELT imagine the examiner/you are someone else and somewhere else #ELTCHAT |
| worldteacher |
12:34 PM |
@Shaunwilden Start by repeating what your partner says, then move on to paraphrasing, like a translator, but in the same language #eltchat |
| EileeMur |
12:35 PM |
@worldteacher @Shaunwilden nice! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:35 PM |
@worldteacher Sounds like a good activity, do your sts find it useful? #eltchat |
| andyscott55 |
12:35 PM |
#ELTchat the CPE exam is expensive - teaching exam technique is important and can go hand in hand with ss personal progress |
| louisealix68 |
12:35 PM |
@EileeMur yep - I like using voicethread/soundcloud for this #eltchat |
| EileeMur |
12:35 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @worldteacher: Start by repeating what your partner says, then move on to paraphrasing, like a translator, but in same language #eltchat |
| MrBemissClass |
12:35 PM |
RT @cybraryman1: My Pronunciation page: http://t.co/SPgjuthW #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:35 PM |
RT @EileeMur: @Shaunwilden also getting Ss to observe each other doing parts of tasks & give feedback can be v. useful #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
12:35 PM |
@Shaunwilden Shadowing improves pron, fluency - gets sts thinking & responding more quickly. #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
12:36 PM |
@Shaunwilden It's early days, but the results are good so far! #eltchat Students see to really enjoy it. |
| lornagray4 |
12:36 PM |
@Shaunwilden use correction sheets in order to give feedback after speaking & revise at the start of next lesson #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
12:36 PM |
Twitpic - Share photos and videos on Twitter http://t.co/AmUIApUN via @TwitPic #eltchat - for Pg orig., but point's the same: 2 mch thkng :) |
| Shaunwilden |
12:37 PM |
RT @worldteacher: RT @SueAnnan: #eltchat use pictures and photos to spark conversation >Yes - this is where #eltpics comes in!! :-) |
| worldteacher |
12:37 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: #eltchat use pictures and photos to spark conversation >Yes - this is where #eltpics comes in!! :-) |
| touqo |
12:37 PM |
If only my English teacher would've used Kiss, Twisted Sister, or WASP as teaching material when I was eleven. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:37 PM |
@lornagray4 Good idea, what would you have on a 'correction sheet'? though the name implies it looks at wrong doing :-( #eltchat |
| EileeMur |
12:37 PM |
@louisealix68 That sounds great - am just getting into VT and soundcloud. Thanks for the suggestion #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
12:37 PM |
#eltchat use pictures and photos to spark conversation |
| EileeMur |
12:38 PM |
RT @Sharonzspace: aslo for IELTS getting learners to read on varied topics so that they have ideas. No ideas it's over #ELTCHAT #ELTCHAT |
| Sharonzspace |
12:38 PM |
aslo for IELTS getting learners to read on varied topics so that they have ideas. No ideas it's over #ELTCHAT #ELTCHAT |
| teacherphili |
12:38 PM |
I wrote about the importance of practicing for speaking tests when reviewing @mybrainshark and other tools - http://t.co/i3dWArl4 #ELTchat |
| worldteacher |
12:39 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: a 'correction sheet' - the name implies it looks at wrong doing :-( #eltchat >yes, we need some space for praise! |
| andyscott55 |
12:39 PM |
#ELTchat body language is often forgotten - but its so important in the speaking test - its not all about utterances |
| louisealix68 |
12:39 PM |
Mustn't forget role of listening in dialogic speaking + appropriate (physical) responses - very culturally determined #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:40 PM |
@lornagray4 Or perhaps demotivating if there is no praise for good attempts etc? #eltchat |
| luzzyk3 |
12:40 PM |
eltchat |
| worldteacher |
12:40 PM |
RT @Sharonzspace: aslo for IELTS getting learners to read on varied topics so that they have ideas. #ELTCHAT >This is a huge problem for me! |
| Shaunwilden |
12:40 PM |
RT @lornagray4: sheet usually divided into grammar/vocab/ pronun mistakes & new vocab :-) great way of getting rid of bad habits #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:41 PM |
@BrunoELT See @worldteacher 's last few tweets she explains it all #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:41 PM |
@BrunoELT tbh it;s not the most exciting work in the world!! :-) #eltchat |
| Sharonzspace |
12:41 PM |
@louisealix68 yes. Sometimes body language is strange w/th nerves. video a partner so they can see what they do under pressure #ELTCHAT |
| rliberni |
12:42 PM |
RT @worldteacher: I use C/Bs from Garnet Publishing for my IELTS sts - lots of listening to real candidates, critique & reflective practice - great! #eltchat |
| Sharonzspace |
12:42 PM |
@worldteacher me too. One learner got asked about future transportation and she was lost. I try to raise new topics #ELTCHAT |
| CastanedaSusana |
12:42 PM |
Use correction sheet or feedback sheet? Some textbooks have a feedbacck sheet , criteria for grading #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:42 PM |
@BrunoELT getting sss to pair up as examiner & ss &n go through the process is a good task helps them to articulate questions 2 #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
12:42 PM |
I use C/Bs from Garnet Publishing for my IELTS sts - lots of listening to real candidates, critique & reflective practice - great! #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
12:42 PM |
@Sharonzspace indeed. Research done shows u can tell on body language along which lang so.o. speaking - so very important! #ELTCHAT |
| rliberni |
12:43 PM |
RT @Sharonzspace: @worldteacher me too. One learner got asked about future transportation and she was lost. I try to raise new topics #ELTCHAT |
| touqo |
12:43 PM |
Children and teens want to look good among their peers --> teaching material should have content from their world. Song lyrics etc. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:43 PM |
@worldteacher sone good e.g.s on YouTube too but need to b selective #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:44 PM |
@touqo How do song lyrics help speaking? #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
12:44 PM |
@rliberni Yes - I used an example of a very bad test done by a couple of Chinese students & my sts thought they were perfect!! #eltchat |
| Sharonzspace |
12:44 PM |
@rliberni also getting learners to come up with exam type questions, even worse case scenario topics. v. effective #ELTCHAT |
| louisealix68 |
12:45 PM |
@worldteacher ever used materials from CIEP (CEFR) to demonstrate levels in speaking skills? Is fun! #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:45 PM |
@Sharonzspace IELTS topics are all over the internet just need to keep looking (I include in my Scoopit http://t.co/VeETS8a0) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:46 PM |
@louisealix68 @worldteacher How do you use them? #eltchat |
| CastanedaSusana |
12:46 PM |
It isnt just the right speaking but knowledge of topics (on my CPE I was asked about world currendy and its impact) hard one #eltchat |
| Sharonzspace |
12:46 PM |
@rliberni absolutely.) I get them hunting and bringing them in as well to class to increase exposure. #ELTCHAT |
| worldteacher |
12:46 PM |
@louisealix68 No - do you have a link? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:46 PM |
RT @louisealix68: @worldteacher ever used materials from CIEP (CEFR) to demonstrate levels in speaking skills? Is fun! #eltchat |
| CastanedaSusana |
12:47 PM |
Have SS practice speaking outside comfort zone w topics not familiar to them, reading is essential #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:47 PM |
RT @EileeMur: Including 'what you did well' with corrections = effective for f/b. Often forget to tell Ss what to keep doing! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:47 PM |
@lornagray4 Thanks for joining :-) #eltchat |
| EileeMur |
12:47 PM |
@CastanedaSusana Including 'what you did well' with corrections = effective for f/b. Often forget to tell Ss what to keep doing! #eltchat |
| lornagray4 |
12:47 PM |
@Shaunwilden a good teacher always praises :-D #eltchat got a lesson, chat soon! |
| louisealix68 |
12:48 PM |
@Shaunwilden what level do we think this speaker is? what is good? what can be improved? #eltchat |
| touqo |
12:48 PM |
@Shaunwilden they want to be able to sing them correcly. So using lyrics as a corpus for recitation would make sense, no? #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
12:48 PM |
@worldteacher http://t.co/sDQzetFj #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
12:49 PM |
@worldteacher your welcom! worth getting them to send dvd to save having to look for link each time tho'! #eltchat |
| Sharonzspace |
12:49 PM |
@Shaunwilden I have slips of paper with what you did well and more practice needed. ı fill in in real time. Learners like this. #ELTCHAT |
| worldteacher |
12:49 PM |
RT @louisealix68: @worldteacher http://t.co/jVWQR9yo #eltchat > Thank you!! :-) |
| EileeMur |
12:49 PM |
RT @CastanedaSusana: Have SS practice speaking outside comfort zone w topics not familiar to them, reading is essential #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
12:50 PM |
Tomato Dungerees! - personalisation example from T->S for speaking practice -> http://t.co/i3dWArl4 #ELTchat |
| worldteacher |
12:50 PM |
RT @louisealix68: your welcom! worth getting them to send dvd to save having to look for link each time tho'!#eltchat >Good tip! |
| Shaunwilden |
12:51 PM |
Ok final ten minutes - last chance to add your words of wisdom :-) #eltchat |
| Sharonzspace |
12:51 PM |
I also get the class to perform a live news programme as if on air. We get lots of topics and they have performance pressure. #ELTCHAT |
| Sharonzspace |
12:52 PM |
for learners struggling to speak I have fey can practice with m ound skype sessions to be helpful. In own comfort zone. #ELTCHAT |
| rliberni |
12:52 PM |
RT @teacherphili: Tomato Dungerees! - personalisation example from T->S for speaking practice -> http://t.co/i3dWArl4 #ELTchat |
| EileeMur |
12:53 PM |
RT @Sharonzspace: @Shaunwilden I have slips of paper with what you did well and more practice needed. ı fill in in real time. Learners like this. #ELTCHAT |
| touqo |
12:53 PM |
RT @Sharonzspace: for learners struggling to speak I have fey can practice with m ound skype sessions to be helpful. In own comfort zone. #ELTCHAT |
| rliberni |
12:53 PM |
RT @louisealix68: with regards to teaching to the test (or not) check out info on 'constructive alignment' : http://t.co/eQP7vFnj #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:53 PM |
Anything that gets them speaking first is good then address the tasks they will need to do & then talk about room, examiners etc.. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:53 PM |
@Sharonzspace you mean they skype you from home? #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
12:53 PM |
with regards to teaching to the test (or not) check out info on 'constructive alignment' : http://t.co/eQP7vFnj #eltchat |
| touqo |
12:53 PM |
RT @Sharonzspace: I also get the class to perform a live news programme as if on air. We get lots of topics and they have performance pressure. #ELTCHAT |
| Sharonzspace |
12:54 PM |
Sorry keyboard prob!!!!: for learners struggling to speak they can practice with me on skype in own comfort zone. #ELTCHAT |
| touqo |
12:54 PM |
RT @rliberni: Anything that gets them speaking first is good then address the tasks they will need to do & then talk about room, examiners etc.. #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
12:54 PM |
@rliberni and that's not the only potentially embarrasing photo, either. #ELTchat |
| worldteacher |
12:54 PM |
@kingceejay @HerDailyDigest You're missing a great #eltchat on speaking, but I guess I know where you'd rather be! :-) |
| Shaunwilden |
12:55 PM |
RT @BrunoELT: #eltchat morning edition is coming to the end. Who would like to write the summary of this one? |
| Shaunwilden |
12:55 PM |
@rliberni thats why i was asking @Sharonzspace #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:55 PM |
@Shaunwilden a slippery slope you can get called all the time which can be difficult I get my ss to hook up w/each other #eltchat |
| EileeMur |
12:55 PM |
@Sharonzspace @Shaunwilden Yes! Can't beat slips of paper :) Real time element + permanent (since f/b is written) is a winner #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:56 PM |
@worldteacher @BrunoELT No probs thanks for offering, all yours :-) #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
12:56 PM |
@Shaunwilden @BrunoELT Happy to take it, but can't do it till Sunday #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:56 PM |
Tiz that time again, who's going to earn a blog badge this week by writing the summary? #eltchat |
| Sharonzspace |
12:56 PM |
@Shaunwilden yes. For shy students when they come to my office it doesn't help but from their own home works better. #ELTCHAT |
| Sharonzspace |
12:57 PM |
@Shaunwilden they become more confident and then it moves to my office, eventually the classroom and then the exam #ELTCHAT |
| worldteacher |
12:57 PM |
@Shaunwilden @BrunoELT Thanks - will look out for the transcript later. #eltchat |
| andyscott55 |
12:57 PM |
#ELTchat focus on positive is best way to build confidence - praise for good interaction, effective fillers, topic-specific vocab, smiling! |
| CastanedaSusana |
12:58 PM |
Lots of thoughts and cool ideas, thanks for another great #ELTchat |
| Sharonzspace |
12:58 PM |
@rliberni @Shaunwilden me too. Only in scheduled lesson or office time. Alternative tutuorial. #ELTCHAT |
| touqo |
12:59 PM |
RT @CastanedaSusana: Lots of thoughts and cool ideas, thanks for another great #ELTchat |
| EileeMur |
12:59 PM |
#eltchat - compare how Ss do a task in own language V English. Often see better body lang, eye contact, fillers, smiling - helpful reminders |
| rliberni |
12:59 PM |
@Sharonzspace is this part of an enrolment process? I do this too but don't like random calls from ss #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
1:00 PM |
Thanks everyone for your ideas and contributions, transcript will be up shortly - see you at 21 BST #eltchat |
| rliberni |
1:00 PM |
@EileeMur good point things like body lang and eye contact are important - could video them #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
1:00 PM |
Those of you petitioning for an #eltchat on spelling, rejoice! 21 BST is How can we best teach spelling. |
| EileeMur |
1:00 PM |
Thanks all! Nice to be at another #eltchat - lovely ideas. |
| EileeMur |
1:01 PM |
@rliberni Yes and when that's not an option, Ss observing each other is useful too #eltchat |
| rliberni |
1:04 PM |
@worldteacher thnx :-) #eltchat |
| EileeMur |
1:04 PM |
@rliberni @Shaunwilden @BrunoELT Thank you - see you soon! #eltchat |
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