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teflerinha

1:55 PM

: #eltchat Is 1-2-1 teaching intrinsically better than in a gp? C @ukteachers blog http://t.co/wO0aEs28 4 the post which sparked the questi.

teflerinha

1:56 PM

#eltchat @marisa_C  @ShaunWilden As I proposed the topic today, I'm happy to do the summary if no-one objects?

AlexandraKouk

1:56 PM

@bertenu Thank you, Buket- will you join us for #eltchat?

Shaunwilden

1:57 PM

@teflerinha @marisa_C Gosh a volunteer before we even start, that's good :-) #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

1:57 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: The 12 BST #eltchat  "Is 1-2-1 teaching intrinsically better for students than being in a group? " - on your marks!

theteacherjames

1:59 PM

@Shaunwilden @teflerinha @marisa_C That's got to be a record, right? :-) #eltchat

cybraryman1

1:59 PM

#eltchat Starts NOW 7 am EST  "Is 1-2-1 teaching intrinsically better for students than being in a group? "

Shaunwilden

1:59 PM

@AlexandraKouk get set #eltchat

markjotter

2:00 PM

RT @ShellTerrell: TESOL Webinar – Researching Effectively with Language Learners http://t.co/XR4VjEkd #esl #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:00 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @Shaunwilden @teflerinha @marisa_C That's got to be a record, right? :-) #eltchat >'tis!!!

Shaunwilden

2:00 PM

RT @AlexandraKouk: @Shaunwilden ... and GO! #eltchat Hi everyone

Marisa_C

2:00 PM

Is 1-2-1 teaching intrinsically better for students than being in a group?  #ELTchat - Am here everyone! Hello and welcome

AlexandraKouk

2:00 PM

@Shaunwilden ... and GO! #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:01 PM

@Shaunwilden I don't think so! #eltchat

teflerinha

2:01 PM

#eltchat To set ball rolling... Obv 1-2-1 has advantages of being tailor-made, but I think being in a group offers sthg 1-2-1 can't

Marisa_C

2:01 PM

1-2-1 teachind - individualized instruction has long been recongnised to be the optimal condition for L2 acquisition #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:01 PM

Is this one of those quick #eltchat where we just say 'yes'? #eltchat ;-)

AlexandraKouk

2:01 PM

@Marisa_C So happy I've finally managed to attend an #eltchat on 1-2-1s!

Shaunwilden

2:01 PM

RT @Marisa_C: "Is 1-2-1 teaching intrinsically better for students than being in a group? " #ELTchat - Am here everyone! Hello and welcome

kevchanwow

2:01 PM

@teflerinha @marisa_c @shaunwilden wow, great topic, fantastic moderators and a sure to be aces summary. What a start #ELTChat

teflerinha

2:02 PM

#eltchat If we learn through negotiating meaning then isn't it good to do that with different people?

AlexandraKouk

2:02 PM

RT @kevchanwow: #eltchat is where I'm gonna be for the next hour. Please join me.

kevchanwow

2:02 PM

#eltchat is where I'm gonna be for the next hour. Please join me.

MrChrisJWilson

2:02 PM

#eltchat Hi everyone, should be interesting today! "Is 1-2-1 teaching intrinsically better for students than being in a group?"

esolcourses

2:02 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: Is this one of those quick #eltchat where we just say 'yes'? #eltchat ;-) dunno - think it depends on the context myself

AlexandraKouk

2:02 PM

RT @Marisa_C: 1-2-1 teachind - individualized instruction has long been recongnised to be the optimal condition for L2 acquisition #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:03 PM

I think 1-2-1  has a lot to recommend it, but it can sometimes be a very passive form of instruction #ELTChat

CliveSir

2:03 PM

#eltchat Why 1:1 might be better :  http://t.co/f1l3WXJg

teflerinha

2:03 PM

RT @AlexandraKouk: Does "individualised instruction" necessarily mean 1-2-1? #eltchat Good point- I don't think it necessarily does.

JoHart

2:03 PM

#ELTchat 1-2-1 can be very isolating 4 the student

AlexandraKouk

2:03 PM

Does "individualised instruction" necessarily mean 1-2-1? #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:03 PM

Ok down to business shall we start by looking at why it might be better? #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:04 PM

It doesnt - one of its expressons  @teflerinha  #eltchat

esolcourses

2:04 PM

RT @teflerinha: RT @JoHart: #ELTchat 1-2-1 can be very isolating 4 the student Yes- and possibly not prepare them as well for interacting

teflerinha

2:04 PM

RT @NikkiFortova: RT @Shaunwilden: Is this one of those quick #eltchat where we just say 'yes'? #eltchat ;-) Think Vygotsky might disagree

NikkiFortova

2:04 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: Is this one of those quick #eltchat where we just say 'yes'? #eltchat ;-) Think Vygotsky might disagree

rliberni

2:04 PM

RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat Hi everyone, should be interesting today! "Is 1-2-1 teaching intrinsically better for students than being in a group?"

BobK99

2:04 PM

Intrinsically? It's certainly easier on the teacher, but better for Ss to have someone to share learning with , I'd say - #eltchat

teflerinha

2:04 PM

RT @kevchanwow: #eltchat i think the power of peer modeling can't be overestimated. The closer the peer is socially, the greater the impact.

Marisa_C

2:04 PM

On the other hand,  see here: RT @JoHart: #ELTchat 1-2-1 can be very isolating 4 the student

AlexandraKouk

2:04 PM

RT @CliveSir: #eltchat Why 1:1 might be better :  http://t.co/f1l3WXJg

teflerinha

2:04 PM

RT @JoHart: #ELTchat 1-2-1 can be very isolating 4 the student Yes- and possibly not prepare them as well for interacting out there

kevchanwow

2:04 PM

#eltchat i think the power of peer modeling can't be overestimated. The closer the peer is socially, the greater the impact.

worldteacher

2:04 PM

RT @JoHart: #ELTchat 1-2-1 can be very isolating 4 the student >Agreed - many sts gain confidence from a group setting.

rliberni

2:05 PM

RT @Marisa_C: 1-2-1 teaching can also be stressful for tutor #eltchat

teflerinha

2:05 PM

@JoHart @BobK99 Yes, can be painful! #eltchat

rliberni

2:05 PM

I teach almost entirely 1:1 and it really depends IME on what the student wants #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:05 PM

1-2-1 teaching can also be stressful for tutor #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:05 PM

@NikkiFortova I wasnt being serious :-) But feel free to tell us about Vygotsky :-) #eltchat

elawassell

2:05 PM

Learning with a group may be frustrating 4 some Ss. The ones that get things quickly or for those who are slow...

esolcourses

2:05 PM

RT @theteacherjames: An obvious benefit of 1-2-1 is that the lessons should be focused on exactly what the st needs to learn #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:05 PM

An obvious benefit of 1-2-1 is that the lessons should be focused on exactly what the st needs to learn #eltchat

JoHart

2:05 PM

@BobK99 #ELTchat not always easier 4 teacher imho esp with shy or uninteresrt=ted student

MrChrisJWilson

2:05 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: why 121 might be better? #eltchat < personally selected material, run at sts pace, easier to monitor class.

Richmond_ELT

2:06 PM

It depends on the individual needs of the student and their goals #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:06 PM

#eltchat.  1 on 1 allows for all (2) participants to focus in on a clear set of goals.

JoHart

2:06 PM

@Marisa_C Agree #ELTchat though 1-2-1 less demanding than group where u are meeting many indiv needs

teflerinha

2:06 PM

#eltchat I'm not in any way against 1-2-1 btw- just think not intrinsically better

elawassell

2:06 PM

RT @MrChrisJWilson: why 121 might be better? < personally selected material, run at sts pace, easier to monitor class. #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:06 PM

Tutor ON all the time #eltchat

teflerinha

2:07 PM

@JoHart @Marisa_C Well...yes, but does the teacher have to meet all needs in a gp or can ss meet some for each other? #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:07 PM

Benefit 2 - The st gets a lot of time to speak & listen to a high level language user. More demanding in that respect. #eltchat

elawassell

2:07 PM

RT @Marisa_C: 1-2-1 teaching can also be stressful for tutor - Can you say more pls? :-) #ELTchat

LizziePinard

2:07 PM

#eltchat hi all!

Marisa_C

2:07 PM

taking 5 mins off #ELTchat

CliveSir

2:07 PM

#ELTchat I interviewed an adult ESL student other day. He thought 1:1 might be intimidating

AlexandraKouk

2:07 PM

I also teach a lot of 1-2-1 Ss: very intensive to prepare and actually teach. Also intensive for S. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:07 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Tutor ON all the time #eltchat I disagree a bit with that, the teacher can find ways ot take a back seat

rliberni

2:07 PM

I find you have to be very organised in the course & lessons and be very focused on the student & what they want (as well as need) #eltchat

teflerinha

2:07 PM

RT @kevchanwow: #eltchat.  1 on 1 allows for all (2) participants to focus in on a clear set of goals. Yes- and can be great for this.

LizziePinard

2:08 PM

#eltchat how about 1-1 in a group setting as per @jimscriv /demand high elt style?

Shaunwilden

2:08 PM

@elawassell @Marisa_C Well tchrs often stress about material, filling the time, always being on etc etc #eltchat

rliberni

2:08 PM

It is tiring but very rewarding as you can see the student develop & improve before your eyes. #eltchat

TutorMe_Online

2:08 PM

1-2-1 encourages greater student participation from that individual&allows topics/pace to be tailored to their needs #eltchat

maryglasgow

2:08 PM

RT @Marisa_C: "Is 1-2-1 teaching intrinsically better for students than being in a group? " #ELTchat - Am here everyone! Hello and welcome

teflerinha

2:09 PM

@LizziePinard @jimscriv Should be demand high..but sometimes ss just want to chat..esp business ss I found! #eltchat

worldteacher

2:09 PM

IME the group dynamic can be much more conducive to learning than 1-2-1 - less pressure, peer teaching, moral support, sharing, etc #eltchat

JoHart

2:09 PM

@teflerinha @Marisa_C #ELTchat Gd point - so depends on student group - I teach multi-level literacy rather than ESL & also entirely online

theteacherjames

2:09 PM

RT @rliberni: It is tiring but very rewarding as you can see the student develop & improve before your eyes. #eltchat

cybraryman1

2:09 PM

Teaching one to one | TeachingEnglish | British Council | BBC http://t.co/3uBgf9mk #eltchat

TutorMe_Online

2:09 PM

Sometimes in group situations shy students can avoid speaking up/practising so 1-2-1 better in that respect? #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:09 PM

RT @rliberni: It is tiring but very rewarding as you can see the student develop & improve before your eyes. #eltchat > agreed!

kevchanwow

2:10 PM

@LizziePinard thanks for that. Making use of 1 to 1 moments in a class can be beneficial for the rest of the students. @jimscriv #ELTChat

EvocationEFL

2:10 PM

Interesting tweet chat taking place NOW with #ELTCHAT

JoHart

2:10 PM

#ELTchat circumstances alter cases - imho neither 1-2-1 or group ill suit all situations

rliberni

2:10 PM

@elawassell  it can be tiring, also need to address issues as they arise which means you have to be on your toes always! #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:10 PM

@Shaunwilden @elawassell @Marisa_C Like all these things, that should go with experience. You don't need much material for a 121. #eltchat

worldteacher

2:11 PM

RT @AlexandraKouk: Also, in 1-2-1 the S-T rapport can be a make or break parameter almost instantly #eltchat >Absolutely!!

Shaunwilden

2:11 PM

@theteacherjames @elawassell @Marisa_C I wasnt suggesting that James, I was answering the why do tchrs stress bit #eltchat

esolcourses

2:11 PM

RT @rliberni: The biggest danger of 1:1 is that the lesson turns into a chat - need to structure well #eltchat ] good point!

MrChrisJWilson

2:11 PM

RT @rliberni: The biggest danger of 1:1 is that the lesson turns into a chat - need to structure well #eltchat

rliberni

2:11 PM

RT @AlexandraKouk: Also, in 1-2-1 the S-T rapport can be a make or break parameter almost instantly #eltchat

rliberni

2:11 PM

The biggest danger of 1:1 is that the lesson turns into a chat - need to structure well #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:11 PM

Also, in 1-2-1 the S-T rapport can be a make or break parameter almost instantly #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:11 PM

#eltchat was thinking that 121's are generally more motivated but can be less. [mine have mostly been more motivated]

e_clements

2:11 PM

@theteacherjames Yes, lots of time to listen, but only to one T voice. Fewer opps to reflect on different uses/errors etc? #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:12 PM

RT @esolcourses: RT @rliberni: The biggest danger of 1:1 is that the lesson turns into a chat - need to structure well #eltchat ] good point!

elawassell

2:12 PM

1-2-1 is more intense for both T&S - but I think it's more effective as well!  #ELTchat

MarjorieRosenbe

2:12 PM

New quote of the week with an accompanying article to use in class.

TutorMe_Online

2:12 PM

@AlexandraKouk Yes good point: putting student at ease so they feel confident is v important - they must feel unafraid to fail #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:12 PM

@e_clements Fair point, but I always encourage them to listen to & read a variety of different voices outside of class. #eltchat

teflerinha

2:12 PM

@MrChrisJWilson Can be less- some 1-2-1 business ss I had saw it as a perk and status symbol, not necess a learning opp! #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:12 PM

RT @AlexandraKouk: Also, in 1-2-1 the S-T rapport can be a make or break parameter almost instantly #eltchat

BobK99

2:13 PM

@teflerinha  #eltchat Yes - I was thinking from the planning & prep pov. And big classes imply instiutuions - so there's admin as well.

Shaunwilden

2:13 PM

@MarjorieRosenbe During #eltchat please only tweet things relevant to the discussion

MrChrisJWilson

2:13 PM

RT @kevchanwow: #eltchat. In a 1-1 it's easier to recognize the fluid nature of a learner's level. Sometimes advanced Ss function at Int. level.

esolcourses

2:13 PM

@rliberni I think also teachers need to make sure they take a back seat and avoid dominating conversation in 1-to-1 situations #ELTChat

LizziePinard

2:13 PM

RT @rliberni: The biggest danger of 1:1 is that the lesson turns into a chat - need to structure well #eltchat

teflerinha

2:13 PM

@elawassell Why? In what ways? (Not saying it isn't, just interested) #eltchat

JoHart

2:13 PM

@rliberni @elawassell #ELTchat "Thinking on feet" required - I come from teaching risk sport - all is tch what u see so that is how I teach

elawassell

2:13 PM

than in the classroom 4 more hours! #ELTchat

elawassell

2:13 PM

My 1-2-1 S,who at the same time attends β€intensive courseβ€ at language school, told me yesterday that he learned more with me ... #ELTchat

kevchanwow

2:13 PM

#eltchat. In a 1-1 it's easier to recognize the fluid nature of a learner's level. Sometimes advanced Ss function at Int. level.

rliberni

2:13 PM

@AlexandraKouk  this is true but I've never had a problem I think expectations are diff  & ss understand the need to be flexible #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:14 PM

@rliberni I always start conversation led, then introduce relevant activities based on the conversation. Chat is priceless! #eltchat

CliveSir

2:14 PM

#eltchat @rliberni Is a chat necessarily a bad thing? Chat surely implies engagement - can't it be turned to yr advantage?

MrChrisJWilson

2:14 PM

@kevchanwow nice point. It can be really great for students who are struggling that day to step back and go at a lower activity #eltchat

rliberni

2:14 PM

@esolcourses  this is very true it is easy to start coaching rather than teaching which is ok at times but need balance! #eltchat

rliberni

2:15 PM

@CliveSir  not at all, chat is good too but you have to guard against this being the norm I feel - dep n what they want #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:15 PM

RT @CliveSir: #eltchat @rliberni Is a chat necessarily a bad thing? Chat surely implies engagement - can't it be turned to yr advantage?

andivwhite

2:15 PM

If the chat is structured with feedback and error correction, it's perfect #ELTchat

elawassell

2:15 PM

@teflerinha I just gave an example. :-) #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:15 PM

@MrChrisJWilson @kevchanwow always found it silly that tchrs think materials for one level cant be used at another :-) #eltchat

rliberni

2:15 PM

@BobK99  there is admin with some 1:1 too esp if you work for companies! #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:16 PM

@Shaunwilden @kevchanwow Grade the task not the text (as my DoS always said) #eltchat

andivwhite

2:16 PM

So the T just takes notes of errors, vocab, etc. and expands on these areas.  Dogme.  #ELTchat

rliberni

2:16 PM

@CliveSir  I don't think that they are paying to chat (unless that's the deal - can be) so need to deliver what they want too #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:16 PM

RT @andivwhite: If the chat is structured with feedback and error correction, it's perfect #ELTchat

teflerinha

2:16 PM

@elawassell Thanks :) #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:16 PM

@CliveSir @rliberni i think from time time but lessons always descending into chat can be an issue #eltchat

esolcourses

2:17 PM

@CliveSir @rliberni a good teacher ought to be able to steer a conversation in a direction that s's will benefit from #ELTChat

Shaunwilden

2:17 PM

@AlexandraKouk Am not amused :-) #eltchat

teflerinha

2:17 PM

RT @andivwhite: If the chat is structured with feedback and error correction, it's perfect #ELTchat

elawassell

2:17 PM

RT @rliberni: @CliveSir  not at all, chat is good 2 but you have to guard against this being the norm I feel - dep n what they want #ELTchat

AlexandraKouk

2:17 PM

Ha! The D-word! About time :-))) #eltchat

esolcourses

2:17 PM

@CliveSir @rliberni I'd say focused chat is a good thing - needs to be some purpose/structure/direction built into it #ELTChat

CliveSir

2:18 PM

@rliberni I guess lessons can stray so, once realised, you can seed them to make ss think it's intentional :) #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:18 PM

@esolcourses @rliberni Very difficult to avoid that! You have to give enough of yourself to make the exchange real & worthwhile. #ELTChat

rliberni

2:18 PM

@AlexandraKouk @andivwhite  ideal for dogme appch, newspapers, ted talks, podcasts etc.. I use them all BUT most want grammar too! #eltchat

BobK99

2:18 PM

RT @elawassell: RT @Marisa_C: 1-2-1 teaching can also be stressful for tutor - Can you say more pls? :-) #ELTchat Not for 5 mins! :-)

BobK99

2:19 PM

@elawassell  #ELTchat T has to be ON all the time - can't just initiate an activity and then circulate

AlexandraKouk

2:19 PM

@rliberni Many adult Ss coming from a traditional educational background insist on lots and lots of grammar, I've found #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:19 PM

In 1:1 it's hard to remember that silence is often necessary for production and consolidation. #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:19 PM

RT @andivwhite: If the chat is structured with feedback and error correction, it's perfect #ELTchat

teflerinha

2:19 PM

RT @ukteachers: 121 could be very stressful for those teachers who take wrong approach to 121 teaching #eltchat #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:19 PM

#eltchat another reason why a "chat" can be dangerous. The line between chat and monologue

ukteachers

2:19 PM

121 could be very stressful for those teachers who take wrong approach to 121 teaching #eltchat #eltchat

andivwhite

2:19 PM

Milk the chat.  Make it the lesson.  Student generated=awesome.  Means the T has to be on her toes.  #eltchat

teflerinha

2:20 PM

RT @kevchanwow: In 1:1 it's hard to remember that silence is often necessary for production and consolidation. #eltchat

rliberni

2:20 PM

Keep them busy - that way they see value and get tired & go to bed at 9.00p.m. Lol :-) #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:20 PM

@rliberni @CliveSir Children's party? #eltchat

Richmond_ELT

2:20 PM

RT @andivwhite: Milk the chat.  Make it the lesson.  Student generated=awesome.  Means the T has to be on her toes.  #eltchat

teflerinha

2:20 PM

@AlexandraKouk @rliberni Yes, me too..but you can deal with grammr through error correction can't you? #eltchat

ukteachers

2:20 PM

If u approach 121 as if you're in a classroom and barricade yourself behind materials then sure - it's dull as dishwater #eltchat #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:20 PM

@CliveSir Yes or you can set aside a specific part of the lesson for conversation #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:20 PM

RT @kevchanwow: In 1:1 it's hard to remember that silence is often necessary for production and consolidation. #eltchat

rliberni

2:20 PM

@CliveSir  I always have a very structured timetable which they agree to beforehand. I use the children's party approach  #eltchat

andivwhite

2:21 PM

Love the children's party approach! #ELTchat

theteacherjames

2:21 PM

RT @andivwhite: Milk the chat.  Make it the lesson.  Student generated=awesome.  Means the T has to be on her toes. >> Exactly! #eltchat

worldteacher

2:21 PM

@rliberni Very good!! #eltchat

CliveSir

2:21 PM

@rliberni Cunning ;) #eltchat

worldteacher

2:21 PM

RT @rliberni: @CliveSir  I always have a very structured timetable which they agree to. I use the children's party approach #eltchat >??????

JoHart

2:22 PM

@BobK99 @elawassell @Marisa_C V demanding - If done well has continuous adjustment of teaching & feedback ie imho 1-2-1 = coaching #ELTchat

TutorMe_Online

2:22 PM

Perhaps a structure that has a set period for grammar/set topics but also a space for chat at the end = healthy compromise? #eltchat

BobK99

2:22 PM

RT @AlexandraKouk: Also, in 1-2-1 the S-T rapport can be a make or break parameter almost instantly #eltchat >Good point

teflerinha

2:22 PM

@theteacherjames @andivwhite @lizziepinard Which makes it demand high..if done that way. #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:22 PM

@BobK99 @elawassell but teachers aren't monitors. There is always a teaching opportunity somewhere in group work. #ELTChat

rliberni

2:22 PM

@AlexandraKouk  I tried a total dogme approach once & after 2 days - "when will we do the grammar exs?" so I mix #eltchat

elawassell

2:23 PM

@rliberni true. I have a student who doesn't want speaking practise - she wants grammar! I was a bit surprised! Usually it's oppost #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:23 PM

@theteacherjames @rliberni agree James, tho it's fine line - especially with s's who are quiet or expect  to 'learn by osmosis' ;-) #ELTChat

teflerinha

2:23 PM

@rliberni @AlexandraKouk Can't that b part of dogmeish? Start lesson with feedback on errors last lesson & a little grammar focus #eltchat

BobK99

2:23 PM

RT @rliberni: The biggest danger of 1:1 is that the lesson turns into a chat - need to structure well #eltchat ? Guilty, yer 'onner! :-)

theteacherjames

2:23 PM

@teflerinha @andivwhite @lizziepinard Definitely. The st has to be on their toes too! #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:23 PM

RT @TutorMe_Online: Perhaps a structure that has set period for grammar/set topics but also a space for chat = healthy compromise? #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:24 PM

@esolcourses @rliberni Oh yes, there has to be an emphasis on the 'exchange'. #ELTChat

esolcourses

2:24 PM

RT @teflerinha:  Can't that b part of dogmeish? Start lesson with feedback on errors last lesson & a little grammar focus #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:24 PM

@teflerinha I usu negotiate the syllabus with S before start and set some rules:always "grammar" task feeds sth more communicative #eltchat

teflerinha

2:25 PM

RT @kevchanwow: @BobK99 @elawassell but teachers aren't monitors. There is always a teaching opportunity somewhere in group work. #ELTChat

Shaunwilden

2:25 PM

hmm isnt the topic whether 121 is intrinsically  better? #eltchat

rliberni

2:25 PM

Here's a recent post on my course design http://t.co/OJvcci9N #eltchat

teflerinha

2:25 PM

RT @MrChrisJWilson: @rliberni @AlexandraKouk "pure #dogme "isn't an absence of grammar (though prefers lexis) just not prescriptive #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:26 PM

And what was the topic again?  #eltchat

rliberni

2:26 PM

@elawassell  She will get the speaking through the work on grammar presumably a lot of speaking in 1:1 is incidental but v powerful #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:26 PM

@esolcourses We did seem to be slipping away from the set topic :-) #eltchat

elawassell

2:26 PM

RT @AlexandraKouk I negotiate the syllabus with S before start & set some rules:always "grammar" task feeds sth more communicative #ELTchat

AlexandraKouk

2:26 PM

@Shaunwilden Should we then define "intrinsically"? Is it "always with no exception?" #eltchat

ukteachers

2:26 PM

Problem with saying 'students'. Is this some homogenous group of people? Very revealing phrasing in title ... #eltchat #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:26 PM

@theteacherjames @esolcourses @rliberni feeling kind of slow tonight.  What's the difference between a chat and a conversation? #ELTChat

teflerinha

2:26 PM

RT @MrChrisJWilson: @Shaunwilden so I guess it's time for why 1-2-1 isn't better then #eltchat Yes please- or is, if you think so..

CliveSir

2:26 PM

I shared this at chat start. Do you think all these are true/advantageous? http://t.co/xTUHbt26 #eltchat

esolcourses

2:26 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: hmm isnt the topic whether 121 is intrinsically  better? #eltchat ] you could be right... shall we get back on track?? ;-)

MrChrisJWilson

2:26 PM

@Shaunwilden so I guess it's time for why 1-2-1 isn't better then #eltchat

ukteachers

2:27 PM

How does learning in 121 context differ from learning in group classroom context? Better title for me .. #eltchat #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:27 PM

@kevchanwow Is 1-2-1 teaching intrinsically better for students than being in a group? #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:27 PM

#eltchat in real life we don't always get what we want, we compromise. it's a real life skill in L1 ;)

rliberni

2:27 PM

@kevchanwow  none really but we're talking about the danger of just talking about this n that & not really studying #eltchat

BobK99

2:27 PM

@rliberni  #eltchat Or agencies (getting paid)!

theteacherjames

2:27 PM

@kevchanwow @esolcourses @rliberni Hmmmm, to me, there isn't one. #ELTChat

Shaunwilden

2:28 PM

@hartle Is 1-2-1 teaching intrinsically better for students than being in a group? #eltchat

hartle

2:28 PM

#eltchat hi everyone sorry I'm late, got held up with exams. What's the topic?

rliberni

2:28 PM

@BobK99  true sometimes you have both! I only do my own stuff now - really nice but not always easy to find :-) #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:28 PM

#eltchat a teacher only has a set number of experiences, stories, input. Having other students increase the knowledge/stories in the room

teflerinha

2:28 PM

@AlexandraKouk @Shaunwilden An essential quality or feature #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:28 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Am back - sorry all #eltchat

esolcourses

2:28 PM

RT @MrChrisJWilson: @Shaunwilden so I guess it's time for why 1-2-1 isn't better then #eltchat

teflerinha

2:29 PM

RT @JoHart: @esolcourses @MrChrisJWilson @Shaunwilden #ELTchat - its like cf apples & oranges. Different and have different strengths

hartle

2:29 PM

#eltchat NOw there's a can of worms!! I think social context really important but doing beginner 121 at moment &  cn go at her speed

Shaunwilden

2:29 PM

@rliberni I agree :-)  #eltchat

rliberni

2:29 PM

RT @CliveSir: I shared this at chat start. Do you think all these are true/advantageous? http://t.co/xTUHbt26 #eltchat

teflerinha

2:29 PM

#eltchat I think 1-2-1 can be gr8 when done well, as we've said but also think ss learn a lot from each other and being in a gp

esolcourses

2:29 PM

@theteacherjames: @kevchanwow @@rliberni chat is just an informal expression for conversation, I'd say :-) #ELTChat

ukteachers

2:29 PM

Think the more specific the individual learner's objectives the more likely it is 121 will be more efficacious for them #eltchat #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:29 PM

A group class is a different kind of social construct with different relationships that can used by the teacher in different ways. #eltchat

rliberni

2:29 PM

@Shaunwilden  OK I think it's horses for courses, 1:1 great for some not for all #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:29 PM

What is YOUR personal preference - no matter what you think is best?  1-2-1 or classes #ELTchat

JoHart

2:29 PM

@esolcourses @MrChrisJWilson @Shaunwilden #ELTchat - its like cf apples & oranges. Different and have different strengths

LizziePinard

2:29 PM

RT @andivwhite: If the chat is structured with feedback and error correction, it's perfect #ELTchat

teflerinha

2:30 PM

RT @CliveSir: #eltchat Might nervous students feel safer in crowd than in 1:1? And be of similar generation hence more in common?

BobK99

2:30 PM

RT @kevchanwow: In 1:1 it's hard to remember that silence is often necessary for production and consolidation. #eltchat > Indeed. V hard.

Marisa_C

2:30 PM

RT @teflerinha: #eltchat  1-2-1 can be gr8 when done well, as we've said but also think ss learn a lot from each other and being in a gp

theteacherjames

2:30 PM

@Marisa_C I've taught both equally & I don't have a preference. Both have their benefits. #swingsandroundabouts #ELTchat

elawassell

2:30 PM

@rliberni well, she gets lot of speaking practice at work (ESOL learner) she says she lacks form - was never thaught formally. #ELTchat

Richmond_ELT

2:30 PM

@MrChrisJWilson Agreed. Far more ideas and discussion can be generated with a group of students than just 1-2-1 #eltchat

hartle

2:30 PM

RT @teflerinha: #eltchat I think 1-2-1 can be gr8 ... ss learn a lot from each other and being in a gp > I agree

CliveSir

2:30 PM

#eltchat Might nervous students feel safer in crowd than in 1:1? And be of similar generation hence more in common?

michaelegriffin

2:30 PM

@Marisa_C #ELTchat I much much much prefer classes of 6+ students. I feel totally burned out from 1:1 if I ever do it these days.

esolcourses

2:30 PM

RT @JoHart @MrChrisJWilson @Shaunwilden #ELTchat - its like cf apples & oranges. Different and have different strengths ] agree, Jo

worldteacher

2:30 PM

RT @Marisa_C: What is YOUR personal preference - no matter what you think is best?  1-2-1 or classes #ELTchat >For me, it's classes!!

MellynEducation

2:30 PM

all my classes now are 1:1. It took some adjustment. #eltchat

LizziePinard

2:31 PM

Non 1-1 = good for group work/project work/collaboration #eltchat

hartle

2:31 PM

RT @CliveSir: #eltchat Might nervous students feel safer in crowd than in 1:1? >    or they might feel less nervous without peer pressure.

MrChrisJWilson

2:31 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C I've taught both equally & I don't have a preference. Both have their benefits. #ELTchat < same

ukteachers

2:31 PM

Quantity of ideas generated is more important than learning outcomes? interesting - #eltchat #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:31 PM

@Marisa_C i love the high that comes from a group working together to improve. The energy is of a different caliber. #ELTChat

TutorMe_Online

2:31 PM

@Marisa_C Think 1-2-1 has the edge in terms of productivity & how much improvement a single student can make in 1 lesson #eltchat

esolcourses

2:31 PM

RT @Marisa_C: What is YOUR personal preference - no matter what you think is best?  1-2-1 or classes #ELTchat ] prefer classes myself

hartle

2:32 PM

#eltchat I don't really have a personal preference. Work in different ways. BUT I love the buzz of good group interaction

JoHart

2:32 PM

@hartle but perhaps her speed would be greater with other stdnts to "bounce off"? #ELTchat

e_clements

2:32 PM

#eltchat In a group Ss can interact with other NN/lower level speakers - probably more realistic for what they'll need to do in real life.

andivwhite

2:32 PM

@teflerinha Yes!  Just said the same and forgot the hashtag. #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:32 PM

@michaelegriffin I found group classes more stressful - more expectations & classroom management to deal with. #ELTchat

teflerinha

2:32 PM

#eltchat Think is gr8 benefit in negotiating meaning with more than 1 person- esp someone who may struggle more 2 understand than the T

CliveSir

2:32 PM

RT @MrChrisJWilson: some yes, I have a student who only likes 121's so no one else is there to see her mistakes. #eltchat

hartle

2:33 PM

RT @JoHart: @hartle but perhaps her speed would be greater with other stdnts to "bounce off"? #ELTchat yes, true

teflerinha

2:33 PM

@andivwhite I'm always doing that! #eltchat

esolcourses

2:33 PM

@Marisa_C I prefer classes because IMO they allow more autonomy, & give s's opportunity to collaborate with peers and share ideas #ELTChat

rliberni

2:33 PM

@CliveSir at a quick read yes & mostly advantages, can only use third of any course book though! No group work, no real audience  #eltchat

teflerinha

2:33 PM

#eltchat output hypothesis all about having to work hard to make yourself understood- teachers can make it too easy

michaelegriffin

2:33 PM

#ELTchat I think I am really out of practice for thinking of what to say to 1 person while dealing with all choices teaching entails.

Shaunwilden

2:33 PM

RT @hartle: #eltchat I don't really have a personal preference. Work in different ways. BUT I love the buzz of good group interaction

rliberni

2:34 PM

@CliveSir  also no banter (much), fewer opps for role-play #eltchat

Richmond_ELT

2:34 PM

#eltchat In groups independent learning is encouraged, students can help each other rather than always depending on the teacher

SueAnnan

2:34 PM

I like both 1-2-1 and classes. You can do different things #ELTchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:34 PM

@ukteachers What is the learning outcome? To use narrative tenses or to exchange and interact with other stories? #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:34 PM

@theteacherjames I found group classes more stressful - more expectations & classroom management to deal with. #ELTchat >interesting points

elawassell

2:34 PM

RT @TutorMe_Online: Think 1-2-1 has the edge in terms of productivity & how much improvement a single student can make in 1 lesson #ELTchat

BobK99

2:34 PM

@elawassell  #ELTchat I had one of those (grammar, not chat). Lots of photocopying!

andivwhite

2:35 PM

I like 121.  More than 1 student immediately means multilevel in terms of personality, interest, language, etc.  #eltchat

SueAnnan

2:35 PM

1-2-1 is great for students who have specific agendas, which would be hard to negotiate in class #ELTchat

rliberni

2:35 PM

@kevchanwow  is 1-2-1 teaching intrinsically better (than class & group presumably) #eltchat

MellynEducation

2:35 PM

@michaelegriffin i found higher expectations in a class but more pressure in 1:1 #eltchat

hartle

2:35 PM

#eltchat and in 121 you can't use grp activities that allow students time to repeat and consolidate new language etc.

esolcourses

2:35 PM

@Marisa_C  I do think a lot depends on ind. students and level, though - 1-2-1 may work better for some learners #ELTChat

Shaunwilden

2:35 PM

@elawassell @TutorMe_Online I am not sure i agree with that but I guess it depends on what we see as 'productivity'  #eltchat

teflerinha

2:35 PM

RT @Richmond_ELT: #eltchat In groups independent learning is encouraged, students can help each other rather than always depending on the teacher

hartle

2:36 PM

#eltchat in 121 you can cater more closely for a learner's particular learning strategy

MellynEducation

2:36 PM

@andivwhite i enjoy the multilevel! #eltchat

rliberni

2:36 PM

RT @Marisa_C: What is YOUR personal preference - no matter what you think is best?  1-2-1 or classes #ELTchat

JoHart

2:36 PM

@elawassell @TutorMe_Online #ELTchat Hmm but if 4x 1-2-1 will you get 4x productivity of 1 x group of  4 ?

MrChrisJWilson

2:36 PM

#eltchat I suspect (no firm evidence) that some student benefit from group more (motivation = improvements) so for them 121s are beter

Marisa_C

2:36 PM

prefer classes myself - if only because I like to use lots of games/gamelike activities best done in grps - like the energy of grps #eltchat

teflerinha

2:36 PM

RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat a teacher only has a set number of experiences, stories, input. Having other students increase the knowledge/stories in the room

SueAnnan

2:36 PM

RT @esolcourses: @Marisa_C  I do think a lot depends on ind. students and level, though - 1-2-1 may work better for some learners #ELTChat

rliberni

2:36 PM

RT @JoHart: @esolcourses @MrChrisJWilson @Shaunwilden #ELTchat - its like cf apples & oranges. Different and have different strengths

BobK99

2:36 PM

RT @MrChrisJWilson: @Shaunwilden so I guess it's time for why 1-2-1 isn't better then #eltchat >Ss bounce off peers, share learning

rliberni

2:36 PM

RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat a teacher only has a set number of experiences, stories, input. Having other students increase the knowledge/stories in the room

michaelegriffin

2:36 PM

RT @MellynEducation: @michaelegriffin i found higher expectations in a class but more pressure in 1:1 #eltchat

teflerinha

2:36 PM

@hartle Ooh another good point..task repetition is gr8 for language emergence and harder to justify 1-2-1 #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:36 PM

RT @SueAnnan: 1-2-1 is great for students who have specific agendas, which would be hard to negotiate in class #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:36 PM

RT @SueAnnan: 1-2-1 is great for students who have specific agendas, which would be hard to negotiate in class #ELTchat ] good point, Sue!

rliberni

2:37 PM

@Marisa_C  I like both good variety - but rarely do classroom-based nowadays #eltchat

esolcourses

2:37 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @hartle A gd point Sharon, repetition is imp and classes do tend to allow that more  #eltchat

hartle

2:37 PM

RT @andivwhite: ... multilevel in terms of personality, interest, language, etc.  #eltchat Yes the mix is wht makes it heady :-)

ukteachers

2:37 PM

I think of 121 as a specialised form of pairwork rather than being a TEACHER vs STUDENT situation #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:37 PM

#eltchat Which is ironic as 121 is built around the premise of catering for your students specific needs...which may be groups.

teflerinha

2:37 PM

RT @hartle: #eltchat in 121 you can cater more closely for a learner's particular learning strategy Gd point on other side!

Shaunwilden

2:37 PM

@hartle A gd point Sharon, repetition is imp and classes do tend to allow that more  #eltchat

Richmond_ELT

2:37 PM

#eltchat If groups are too large though, weaker/shyer sts can hide behind stronger ones and their progress is slower

Marisa_C

2:37 PM

RT @MellynEducation: @michaelegriffin i found higher expectations in a class but more pressure in 1:1 #eltchat

SueAnnan

2:37 PM

RT @hartle: #eltchat in 121 you can cater more closely for a learner's particular learning strategy

Marisa_C

2:38 PM

RT @SueAnnan: If your student is awkward, 1-2-1 can be challenging for both #ELTchat

JoHart

2:38 PM

@hartle #ELTchat - does always catering to their indiv lerning pref do them any favours for future learning situations?

andivwhite

2:38 PM

Yes! RT @Marisa_C: @Richmond_ELT good point abt large classes - maybe gd to talk abt optimal class size too  #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:38 PM

RT @hartle: #eltchat and in 121 you can't use grp activities that allow students time to repeat and consolidate new language etc.

TutorMe_Online

2:38 PM

@Shaunwilden @elawassell Good point- I mean in terms of individual focus/involvement in the lesson - in groups, can slip #eltchat

teflerinha

2:38 PM

RT @Richmond_ELT: #eltchat If groups 2 large, weaker/shyer sts can hide and their progress is slower Yes- bt t should deal with this

MellynEducation

2:38 PM

RT @ukteachers: I think of 121 as a specialised form of pairwork rather than being a TEACHER vs STUDENT situation #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:38 PM

@Richmond_ELT good point abt large classes - maybe gd to talk abt optimal class size too  #eltchat

rliberni

2:39 PM

@CliveSir  works both ways some want confidence before joining a crowd #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:39 PM

#eltchat group classes also show learners...in a group! Allowing development of group skills as well as knowledge of grammar vocab and lexis

Shaunwilden

2:39 PM

RT @andivwhite: I've had classes of 50+, I'll take 121 any day over that. #eltchat Given those numbers, me too :-)

teflerinha

2:39 PM

@hartle @SueAnnan OMG Me too! #eltchat

ukteachers

2:39 PM

Person-centred thinking means I never think of 'my student' - I don't own this person I work with #eltchat

rliberni

2:39 PM

RT @CliveSir: #eltchat Might nervous students feel safer in crowd than in 1:1? And be of similar generation hence more in common?

SueAnnan

2:39 PM

@hartle  me too :-) #ELTchat

rliberni

2:39 PM

RT @michaelegriffin: @Marisa_C #ELTchat I much much much prefer classes of 6+ students. I feel totally burned out from 1:1 if I ever do it these days.

andivwhite

2:39 PM

I've had classes of 50+, I'll take 121 any day over that. #eltchat

rliberni

2:39 PM

RT @hartle: #eltchat NOw there's a can of worms!! I think social context really important but doing beginner 121 at moment &  cn go at her speed

TutorMe_Online

2:39 PM

@JoHart @elawassell Interesting qu! Undoubtedly group has advantages too&debate/discussion btwn students can be invaluable #eltchat

hartle

2:40 PM

RT @andivwhite: I've had classes of 50+, I'll take 121 any day over that. #eltchat But large classes have advantages too ( Ihave 90+)

ukteachers

2:40 PM

121 challenges a teacher to rethink their role as a teacher - and everything about nature of teaching and learning - challenging! #eltchat

SueAnnan

2:40 PM

I prefer a mix myself. This keeps me on my toes:-) #ELTchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:40 PM

RT @ukteachers: Person-centred thinking means I never think of 'my student' - I don't own this person I work with #eltchat

LizziePinard

2:40 PM

RT @SueAnnan: I like both 1-2-1 and classes. You can do different things #ELTchat

teflerinha

2:40 PM

RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat group classes also show learners...in a group! Allowing development of group skills as well as knowledge of grammar vocab and lexis

MellynEducation

2:40 PM

Shy and embarrased students SHOULD be in a class to build compensation strategies. Cant do in 1:1 #eltchat

esolcourses

2:40 PM

RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat group classes also show learners...in a group! Allowing development of group skills as well as knowledge of grammar vocab and lexis

MrChrisJWilson

2:40 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: RT @andivwhite: I've had classes of 50+, I'll take 121 any day over that. #eltchat Given those numbers, me too < me three

hartle

2:40 PM

RT @JoHart: @hartle #ELTchat > depedns on indiv. context. This beginner 52 yrs old, very nervous. Needs confidence builΓ²ding and to have fun

SueAnnan

2:40 PM

RT @rliberni: @CliveSir  works both ways some want confidence before joining a crowd #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:41 PM

@teflerinha @MellynEducation though isnt there sth to be said about a shy sts having 121 to build their confidence?  #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:41 PM

Groups allow exposure to wider array of truly learnable structures, not structures teachers think should be learned. #eltchat

hartle

2:41 PM

RT @ukteachers: ' - I don't own this person I work with #eltchat > Why on earth wd you want to "own" yr students?

rliberni

2:41 PM

RT @CliveSir: RT @MrChrisJWilson: some yes, I have a student who only likes 121's so no one else is there to see her mistakes. #eltchat

BobK99

2:41 PM

@rliberni  Not at all :-( - it's only Twitter that keeps me thinking like a teacher, most of the time! #eltchat

teflerinha

2:41 PM

RT @MellynEducation: Shy and embarrased students SHOULD be in a class to build compensation strategies. Cant do in 1:1 #eltchat Agree

rliberni

2:41 PM

RT @ukteachers: Quantity of ideas generated is more important than learning outcomes? interesting - #eltchat #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:42 PM

RT @ukteachers: Group teaching challenges a teacher to become good at managing groups and group learning activities  #eltchat

CliveSir

2:42 PM

Working with a group allows u to get further away from the smelly ones ;) #eltchat

andivwhite

2:42 PM

Shy sts can hide in large groups #eltchat

hartle

2:42 PM

RT @MellynEducation: Shy... to build compensation strategies. Cant do in 1:1 #eltchat Why not?

elawassell

2:42 PM

RT @ukteachers: Quantity of ideas generated is more important than learning outcomes? interesting <- such a good point!!! #ELTchat

rliberni

2:42 PM

@CliveSir @ukteachers  the learner will see them ime learners do know if you mess up!! #eltchat

SueAnnan

2:42 PM

1-2-1 can move at learner's pace and in learner's preferred style #ELTchat

teflerinha

2:42 PM

@CliveSir @rliberni @MrChrisJWilson But don't people see them when/if she talks outside the classroom? #eltchat

LizziePinard

2:42 PM

RT @ukteachers: Group teaching challenges a teacher to become good at managing groups and group learning activities  #eltchat

esolcourses

2:42 PM

RT @kevchanwow Groups allow exposure to wider array of truly learnable structures, not structures teachers think should be learned. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:43 PM

@teflerinha @MellynEducation darn those 140 limits eh :-)  #eltchat

JoHart

2:43 PM

@hartle @ukteachers #ELTchat Don't "own" them but they are "my students" because I champion their cause

SueAnnan

2:43 PM

RT @Marisa_C: RT @ukteachers: Group teaching challenges a teacher to become good at managing groups and group learning activities  #eltchat

teflerinha

2:43 PM

@Shaunwilden @MellynEducation Yes, was going to add that but ran out of characters! #eltchat

rliberni

2:43 PM

RT @JoHart: @hartle but perhaps her speed would be greater with other stdnts to "bounce off"? #ELTchat

rliberni

2:44 PM

RT @SueAnnan: 1-2-1 is great for students who have specific agendas, which would be hard to negotiate in class #ELTchat

hartle

2:44 PM

RT @JoHart: @hartle @ukteachers #ELTchat Don't "own" them but they are "my students" because I champion their cause > Gr8t :-)

SueAnnan

2:44 PM

groups teach teachers to negotiate too #ELTchat

rliberni

2:44 PM

@esolcourses  1-2-1 good for ss who are struggling with something esp IELTS!! #eltchat

teflerinha

2:44 PM

RT @hartle: #eltchat lots of gd points here abt both contexts, but a gd teacher shd be able to manage both and the challenge is to adapt yr skills

MellynEducation

2:44 PM

@Shaunwilden in the beginning but in my experience a small class provides multiple learning platforms that bring longer interest. #eltchat

hartle

2:44 PM

#eltchat lots of gd points here abt both contexts, but a gd teacher shd be able to manage both and the challenge is to adapt yr skills

SueAnnan

2:45 PM

RT @andivwhite: Peer learning an obvious plus for groups. #eltchat

frazski

2:45 PM

RT @ShellTerrell: TESOL Webinar – Researching Effectively with Language Learners http://t.co/XR4VjEkd #esl #eltchat

rliberni

2:45 PM

RT @Marisa_C: RT @MellynEducation: @michaelegriffin i found higher expectations in a class but more pressure in 1:1 #eltchat

andivwhite

2:45 PM

Peer learning an obvious plus for groups. #eltchat

teflerinha

2:45 PM

RT @SueAnnan: 1-2-1 is great for students who have specific agendas, which would be hard to negotiate in class #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:45 PM

RT @rliberni: @esolcourses  1-2-1 good for ss who are struggling with something esp IELTS!! #eltchat ] yes, I'm sure that's true!

JoHart

2:45 PM

@hartle @ukteachers #ELTchat  Them being "my students" enables me to identify more strongly with their needs and wants

michaelegriffin

2:46 PM

Are time and money considerations of the #ELTchat on teaching 1:1 classes?

BobK99

2:46 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @michaelegriffin I fd  classes more stressful ... expectations & classroom management to deal with. #ELTchat >ESP CM

rliberni

2:46 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: RT @andivwhite: I've had classes of 50+, I'll take 121 any day over that. #eltchat Given those numbers, me too :-)

kevchanwow

2:46 PM

@andivwhite that bad? Some shy students are happy to learn in their own way.  They are engaged in class even if we don't see it #ELTChat

MeghanBeler

2:46 PM

RT @andivwhite: Peer learning an obvious plus for groups. #eltchat

hartle

2:46 PM

#eltchat have to go, everyone and get back to our exams. ( 2000 written exams and only 9 teachers :-( )See U tonight.

rliberni

2:46 PM

RT @ukteachers: I think of 121 as a specialised form of pairwork rather than being a TEACHER vs STUDENT situation #eltchat

teflerinha

2:46 PM

@SueAnnan Yes, and gps help teacher develop specific interpersonal skills- groups more exposing for teachers in many ways too #eltchat

rliberni

2:46 PM

RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat Which is ironic as 121 is built around the premise of catering for your students specific needs...which may be groups.

rliberni

2:46 PM

RT @Richmond_ELT: #eltchat If groups are too large though, weaker/shyer sts can hide behind stronger ones and their progress is slower

MrChrisJWilson

2:47 PM

@michaelegriffin good point! 121 = more expensive! completely slipped by! #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:47 PM

RT @kevchanwow: @andivwhite that bad? Some shy students happy to learn in their own way...engaged in class even if we don't see it #ELTChat

rliberni

2:47 PM

I think small groups can be harder that 1-2-1 in terms of tiredness (3/4) #eltchat

esolcourses

2:47 PM

@rliberni classes I teach normally tend to include some 1-2-1 sessions to work on problems/specific issues s's need to address #ELTChat

Shaunwilden

2:47 PM

@michaelegriffin Dont think they have come up yet no :-)  #eltchat

andivwhite

2:47 PM

@kevchanwow Very true.  #ELTChat

JoHart

2:47 PM

@esolcourses @rliberni #ELTchat agree - bits of 1-2-1 gr8 for problems - with lit students online - just do 1-2-1 in breakouts at need

ukteachers

2:47 PM

In 121 if you see yourself as a TEACHER and nothing more - outcomes bound to be isolating, stressful, boring etc .... #eltchat

andivwhite

2:48 PM

@TutorMe_Online @MrChrisJWilson  or more profitable for the T, depending on how you look at it. #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:48 PM

#eltchat 121 also fit around one students time rearranged for them and their lives.

Marisa_C

2:48 PM

RT @rliberni: I think small groups can be harder that 1-2-1 in terms of tiredness (3/4) #eltchat > true sometimes

esolcourses

2:48 PM

RT @Marisa_C RT @MeghanBeler: RT @andivwhite: Peer learning an obvious plus for groups. #eltchat > and time to breathe btwn learning 'bytes"

teflerinha

2:48 PM

@esolcourses @rliberni Mixture of 121 tutorials and grp work can be excellent- strength of ESOL- or was when funding available! #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:48 PM

@MrChrisJWilson @michaelegriffin  So does expense affect whether it is better or not?  #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:48 PM

RT @MeghanBeler: RT @andivwhite: Peer learning an obvious plus for groups. #eltchat > and time to breathe btwn learning 'bytes"

theteacherjames

2:48 PM

RT @hartle: #eltchat lots of gd points here abt both contexts, but a gd teacher shd be able to manage both and the challenge is to adapt yr skills

TutorMe_Online

2:48 PM

@ukteachers totally disagree - 121 provides opportunity to break down traditional teacher/stdt boundaries & interact more! #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:49 PM

ok 10 minutes left, loads of differences mentioned already what else do we need to cover?  #eltchat

MellynEducation

2:49 PM

RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat 121 also fit around one students time rearranged for them and their lives. #eltchat

ukteachers

2:49 PM

@teflerinha Right - mixture of approaches would be great #eltchat

SueAnnan

2:49 PM

@Shaunwilden  I don't think it's better- just different, if you have an experienced teacher #ELTchat

SueAnnan

2:50 PM

It's intensive for the student to have too many 1-2-1 sessions per day #ELTchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:50 PM

@Shaunwilden @michaelegriffin certainly. If a student pays more they believe it is better=placebo affect (not def motivation) #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:50 PM

@Shaunwilden @MrChrisJWilson #ELTchat maybe. If as a student I can pay 20% of the cost of a 1:1 for class to learn 80% of what i'd learn 1;1

Richmond_ELT

2:51 PM

@ukteachers @teflerinha If time & money allow, then a combination of class and 1-2-1 is ideal but not often possible unfortunately #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:51 PM

@louisealix68 Still 10 mins left if you want to add your thoughts :-)  #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:51 PM

#eltchat of course, pay more money for a class and expect more spoon feeding rather than having to work and learn something.

louisealix68

2:51 PM

ach shame, got home late and missed the #eltchat. Will  have to read up on the summary

esolcourses

2:51 PM

@teflerinha agree, though ESOL funding has been slashed of late & future viability seems very much up in the air at the moment :-( #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:51 PM

Sometimes negotiating can backfire - we have one 1-2-1 st who has been a right royal one #Eltchat

ukteachers

2:51 PM

@TutorMe_Online No worries - this is the Internet! :-) #eltchat

teflerinha

2:52 PM

@Marisa_C @SueAnnan Good idea provides different voices too #eltchat

SueAnnan

2:52 PM

@Marisa_C  we do too. Each teacher only has 1 session per day #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:52 PM

@louisealix68 "Is 1-2-1 teaching intrinsically better for students than being in a group? #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:52 PM

@michaelegriffin @shaunwilden @mrchrisjwilson I think there is a google converter which helps Ss figure it out #ELTChat

esolcourses

2:52 PM

RT @SueAnnan: It's intensive for the student to have too many 1-2-1 sessions per day #ELTchat ] agree, Sue - 1-2-1 can be very "full on"

louisealix68

2:52 PM

@Shaunwilden topic? #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:52 PM

@SueAnnan when we run an intensive 1-2-1 I change tutors  #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:53 PM

RT @ukteachers: Teachers. How would you yourself prefer to learn? In your own classrooms or with a 121 teacher? #eltchat

louisealix68

2:53 PM

ach drat and double drat. Just my type of topic on #eltchat. Prob already said but I think age plays role in whether 1-2-1 better or not

ukteachers

2:53 PM

Teachers. How would you yourself prefer to learn? In your own classrooms or with a 121 teacher? #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:53 PM

TBH, I think a blank statement of 121 > groups is stupid over simplification and each have benefits. #eltchat

teflerinha

2:53 PM

@Richmond_ELT @esolcourses @ukteachers Wholeheartedly agree combination prob best of all worlds if practicable. #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:53 PM

@MrChrisJWilson @Shaunwilden @michaelegriffin My sts pay more for 121 because it's a bespoke service. Flexible hours, tailored. #eltchat

JoHart

2:53 PM

@esolcourses @SueAnnan Agree- variety is the spice of life for stdnt & teacher #ELTchat

elawassell

2:54 PM

As a learner I preferred 121 than group – more advantages 4 the L! But I think it really depends on L's personality.  #ELTchat

ukteachers

2:54 PM

If I wanted to make speedy progress in a language there's no way I'd choose a group setting  #eltchat

Julian_LEnfant

2:54 PM

121 or group? After reading everyone's posts, I'll sit on the fence & say that it depends on the learner & their immediate needs. #eltchat

teflerinha

2:54 PM

RT @ukteachers: Teachers. How would you yourself prefer to learn? In your own classrooms or with a 121 teacher? #eltchat Gd question!

SueAnnan

2:54 PM

me personally, It would depend on the group dynamics #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:54 PM

@louisealix68 Not sure age has come up, please expand :-)  #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:54 PM

#eltchat really the best for students is both ;)

andivwhite

2:54 PM

@Shaunwilden Depends on the teacher!!! #eltchat

MellynEducation

2:54 PM

I find 1:1 good supplementary classes to focus on areas of difficulty. This helps focus individual student efforts within a class #eltchat

LizziePinard

2:55 PM

RT @MrChrisJWilson: TBH, I think a blank statement of 121 > groups is stupid over simplification and each have benefits. #eltchat

rliberni

2:55 PM

RT @MrChrisJWilson: @michaelegriffin good point! 121 = more expensive! completely slipped by! #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:55 PM

@Shaunwilden @ukteachers #ELTchat I'd much prefer to learn in class cuz im still thinking about teaching classes all the time. #offtopic

louisealix68

2:55 PM

#eltchat teenagers (adolescent psychology) like to "hide" until around 15/16 when develop more sense of self and less fear of standing out

Marisa_C

2:55 PM

RT @ukteachers: Teachers. How would you yourself prefer to learn? In your own classrooms or with a 121 teacher? #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:55 PM

@Julian_LEnfant I like the way you popped in to fence sit :-) #eltchat

JoHart

2:55 PM

@Shaunwilden #Eltchat - neither - alone online or via books/Internet - but then I am weird :)

theteacherjames

2:55 PM

@ukteachers Depends on the teacher I have & the students I'm with! #eltchat

ukteachers

2:55 PM

I'd choose a Michel Thomas style approach - not stuck in evening classes eating snails in a French lesson #eltchat

rliberni

2:56 PM

@Shaunwilden  people pay more for more attention or if what they want can't be done in a class not better or worse just diff #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:56 PM

But it would be more valuable for me to learn in a class i guess #eltchat

ukteachers

2:56 PM

@LizziePinard Totally agree - it's silly way to frame it #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:56 PM

@ukteachers But I'm not in a rush & I like the social aspect. True for many of our sts too. #eltchat

andivwhite

2:56 PM

@Marisa_C I 've had co-sts who were really a pain, but also co-sts who made me want to attend class.  Depends on the people #eltchat

teflerinha

2:56 PM

@ukteachers #eltchat Would depend on teacher and other classmates..but with a good teacher and motivated classmates- honestly, in a group.

MrChrisJWilson

2:56 PM

if I was in a foreign country then I'd choose 121, I can find opportunities for group work out side. otherwise groups. #eltchat

elawassell

2:56 PM

As a T I don’t mind being on my toes! But I love teaching classes too!

Marisa_C

2:56 PM

I personally prefer to be taught 1-2-1 simply because observing a T in class distracts me much more as a trainer #ELTchat

MellynEducation

2:56 PM

I would want a small class - all the way! #eltchat

louisealix68

2:56 PM

#eltchat listening is important in lang learning. In 1-2-1 not much listening time, push for production

LizziePinard

2:56 PM

RT @teflerinha: @Richmond_ELT @esolcourses @ukteachers Wholeheartedly agree combination prob best of all worlds if practicable. #eltchat

rliberni

2:56 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @MrChrisJWilson @michaelegriffin  So does expense affect whether it is better or not?  #eltchat

andivwhite

2:57 PM

@louisealix68 I need to like my fellow pupils to learn from them though. #eltchat

rliberni

2:57 PM

RT @SueAnnan: @elawassell  I find that you dance to the tune of the student in 1-2-1 #ELTchat that's why they pay more

JoHart

2:57 PM

RT @louisealix68: #eltchat Think pupils learn lot from each other. especially if low WTC then good to be able to listen.

louisealix68

2:57 PM

#eltchat Think pupils learn lot from each other. especially if low WTC then good to be able to listen.

MrChrisJWilson

2:57 PM

@Shaunwilden it's those badges clearly! #eltchat

ukteachers

2:57 PM

Perhaps my learning preference determines my teaching preference ;-) #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:57 PM

Am confused this is the bit when we start to ask for summary writers but having got one all ready not sure what to do #eltchat

SueAnnan

2:57 PM

@elawassell  I find that you dance to the tune of the student in 1-2-1 #ELTchat

ukteachers

2:58 PM

@teflerinha thanks for picking up from the blog post and suggesting this - was interesting #eltchat

teflerinha

2:58 PM

RT @teflerinha: @ukteachers Yes, good point, and something to be wary of for teachers #eltchat (wary not way)

andivwhite

2:58 PM

@Marisa_C Yes yes yes #eltchat

JoHart

2:58 PM

@louisealix68 #ELTchat  they also gain much peer moral support - I work with regionl learners online who are physically isolated frm peers

CliveSir

2:58 PM

What's the going rate for 1-2-1 in UK? #eltchat

SueAnnan

2:58 PM

have to go now- 1-2-1 this afternoon. See you all tonight #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:58 PM

@andivwhite if so much depends on good people dynamics - that much more demanding & important for T to manage well  #eltchat

louisealix68

2:58 PM

@andivwhite yet can learn from listening to their mistakes and having (heated) debate with no empathy? #eltchat

teflerinha

2:58 PM

@ukteachers Yes, good point, and something to be way of for teachers #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:58 PM

@Shaunwilden saying thank you is always good. #ELTChat

elawassell

2:58 PM

@SueAnnan not when you agree on the syllabus first and set the rules - that's what I do anyway. #ELTchat

louisealix68

2:59 PM

@JoHart absolutely - hence "forums" (fora) etc and webcams #ELTchat

BobK99

2:59 PM

Gotta go now - goodbye & thx to mods and all participants in #eltchat

esolcourses

2:59 PM

GTG as lunch is ready, but thanks for another great #eltchat & to mods @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C & @rliberni for keeping the convo on track :)

teflerinha

2:59 PM

@ukteachers You're welcome..was your inspiration! #eltchat

Wiktor_K

2:59 PM

Aargh! Missed #eltchat on 1-2-1s! Gutted. Well, looking fwd to reading summary. See you tonight!

JoHart

3:00 PM

@louisealix68 #ELTchat - we use virtual class

MrChrisJWilson

3:00 PM

Thanks for an interesting chat everyone. might see you tonight :) #eltchat

rliberni

3:00 PM

@CliveSir  anything from Β£9.00 (unbelievable) to Β£50 dep on the student, content & bravery of teacher!! #eltchat

andivwhite

3:00 PM

Thanks to #eltchat

TutorMe_Online

3:00 PM

Thanks for a fantastic #eltchat!

Shaunwilden

3:00 PM

Thanks for joining #eltchat  - if you are here at 9pm it's "What web tools / sites are there that can benefit EAP students and teachers? "

exam_writer

3:00 PM

Anything from Β£15 to Β£50 an hour. Depends on UK region and level/speciality>RT @CliveSir: What's the going rate for 1-2-1 in UK? #eltchat

MellynEducation

3:00 PM

Lovely chat! Thanks for having me! Gotta run. My commute is almost up! #eltchat

LizziePinard

3:00 PM

#eltchat thanks all, great chat! :)

teflerinha

3:01 PM

#eltchat Thanks everyone, really enjoyed that.

e_clements

3:01 PM

#eltchat Thanks for the interesting discussion everyone - didn't think there'd be so much to say!

Shaunwilden

3:01 PM

Hey #EAPchat tonight's #eltchat is What web tools / sites are there that can benefit EAP students and teachers? 9 BST

rliberni

3:01 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: Thanks for joining #eltchat  - if you are here at 9pm it's "What web tools / sites are there that can benefit EAP students and teachers? "

kevchanwow

3:01 PM

Thank you for the best crowded train ride home I've ever had. Moderators, my hats off to you. #eltchat

Richmond_ELT

3:01 PM

Thanks all, great chat! #eltchat

louisealix68

3:01 PM

thanks for the quickie 10 minutes! #eltchat  won't be there 2nite either :-(

Marisa_C

3:02 PM

Is time up already? I feel we only touched upon the surface today - perhaps we should revisit 1-2-1 teaching again-what do u think? #eltchat

elawassell

3:02 PM

Thank you everyone for a really interesting chat! #ELTchat

CliveSir

3:02 PM

Many Ss can barely afford to live, let alone pay for 1-2-1 #eltchat

JoHart

3:02 PM

@Shaunwilden @rliberni #ELTchat - as a mere literacy teacher pls what is EAP?

michaelegriffin

3:02 PM

Thanks to #ELTchat ters and mods...good times. Will remember for when and if I teach 1:1. Cheers!

ELT_Turkey

3:03 PM

Hello from Turkey to all my colleagues from all around the world. #eltchat

ukteachers

3:03 PM

@Marisa_C I think so yes #eltchat

louisealix68

3:03 PM

@Marisa_C good idea - I'll be on time next time! #eltchat

JoHart

3:03 PM

@rliberni #ELTchat thank you Berni sometimes thoes acronyms just beat me :)

Marisa_C

3:03 PM

@teflerinha will get transcript soon & message you re summary  #eltchat

CliveSir

3:03 PM

@Marisa_C  Good idea! #eltchat

rliberni

3:04 PM

@JoHart  :-) there are just too many in Edu & the list grow daily Yikes!  #eltchat

elawassell

3:04 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Is time up already? perhaps we should revisit 1-2-1 teaching again-what do u think? - YES need to think of diff angle #ELTchat

rliberni

3:04 PM

Great topic!! Great chat!! thanks to awesome co- mods as ever @Marisa_C  & @Shaunwilden #eltchat

JoHart

3:04 PM

@teflerinha @Shaunwilden @rliberni "Chuckle" All comes under IELTS here I think #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

3:06 PM

@teflerinha @JoHart @rliberni So join in tonight at 21.,00 to discuss further :-) #ELTchat

CliveSir

3:07 PM

Thanks for the stimulating #eltchat everyone, and special thanks to mods :)