| username |
time |
status |
| Shaunwilden |
9:01 PM |
It's 9pm so time for #eltchat on motivation next tweet will have the whole topic |
| sandymillin |
9:02 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Is motivation enough to learn English effectively? What ways do you use to encourage motivated,but lazy students to really do work? #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:02 PM |
Is motivation enough to learn English effectively? What ways do you use to encourage motivated,but lazy students to really do work? #ELTchat |
| SophiaMav |
9:02 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Its 9pm so time for #eltchat on motivation next tweet will have the whole topic #ELTchat |
| JNSRecruitment |
9:02 PM |
Positions in riyadh and al baha now open no experience needed! !!!! #eltchat #esl #efl #tefl |
| Marisa_C |
9:03 PM |
Hello everyone, for the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTchat on whether motivation enough to learn English |
| sandymillin |
9:03 PM |
Evening. Long time no #eltchat! |
| SophiaMav |
9:03 PM |
Hello everyone :) #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:03 PM |
@Wiktor_K Good evening :-) #ELTchat |
| Wiktor_K |
9:03 PM |
Good evening all :) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:04 PM |
Is anyone ready to talk about this topic and perhaps explain it? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:05 PM |
@Shaunwilden #ELTchat The simple answer is "No" can I go to dinner now? |
| Shaunwilden |
9:05 PM |
@Marisa_C Yes it would be good to have the second bit explained :-) #ELTchat |
| jobethsteel |
9:05 PM |
#eltchat Hello. Will be in the chat sporadically as having tapas with friends. Last class today. |
| elawassell |
9:05 PM |
Good evening all! Hi @sandymillin! Missed you! #ELTchat |
| elawassell |
9:06 PM |
motivated, but lazy students - contradictory, isn't it? My motivated Ss are hard working at the same time... #ELTchat |
| Wiktor_K |
9:06 PM |
The first part of the question sounds just too simple, the second - lazy & motivated - a bit too convoluted...this'll be fun! #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:06 PM |
Good evening #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:06 PM |
@Marisa_C Thanks, ok then Kali Orexi #ELTchat |
| mohisny |
9:06 PM |
RT @english247: Easy Songs for Learning #English http://t.co/xkQTGLo8 #esol #esl #elemchat #eltchat |
| SophiaMav |
9:06 PM |
I was wondering how can we describe a lazy but motivated student. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:07 PM |
RT @elawassell: "motivated, but lazy students" - contradictory, isn't it? My motivated Ss are hard working at the same time... #ELTchat>true |
| Marisa_C |
9:07 PM |
@Shaunwilden efcharisto!!!!! #ELTchat |
| SophiaMav |
9:08 PM |
RT @naomishema: Perhaps it should be talented students with potential that dont use it? #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:08 PM |
RT @naomishema: Perhaps it should be talented students with potential that don't use it? #eltchat |
| jobethsteel |
9:08 PM |
The ones who are really keen in class but are too busy out of class. #eltchat |
| SophiaMav |
9:08 PM |
Maybe not motivated but interested in English? #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:08 PM |
RT @naomishema: Perhaps it should be talented students with potential that don't use it? #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:08 PM |
Perhaps it should be talented students with potential that don't use it? #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:09 PM |
#ELTchat motivation is blatantly not enough by itself. All the standard things necessary first - conducive environment, accessible input... |
| naomishema |
9:09 PM |
@Wiktor_K that works too! #eltchat |
| SophiaMav |
9:09 PM |
@naomishema yes, this does make sense #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:09 PM |
@SophiaMav Isnt that the motivation? #ELTchat |
| Wiktor_K |
9:09 PM |
@naomishema this sounds good - or students motivated 'cos "it's the right thing to do" - and not following up on this by doing work #eltchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:09 PM |
I think what really motiovates sts is having their needs met. Makes Needs analysis vital. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:09 PM |
RT @naomishema: Perhaps it should be talented students with potential that don't use it? #eltchat > I' ll go wiv u on that one :-) |
| SophiaMav |
9:10 PM |
@Shaunwilden I think motivation involves work as well, interest is just not enough. #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:10 PM |
#ELTchat ...assistance as and when necessary, scaffolding, an audience. Could go on and on. |
| naomishema |
9:10 PM |
@sandymillin U mean the ones who expect proficiency after 1 lesson? LOL! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:10 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: #ELTchat motivation is blatantly not enough by itself. All the standard things necessary first - conducive environment, accessible input... |
| sandymillin |
9:10 PM |
#eltchat Could it be SS who are motivated in theory (I want to learn English) but don't understand what it takes so get lazy? |
| Shaunwilden |
9:11 PM |
@SophiaMav I guess it depends on sts, an adult with an interest who joins a class would be showing motivation no? #ELTchat |
| eannegrenoble |
9:11 PM |
Evening all - did vote, but am still trying to work out the subject #ELTchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:11 PM |
#eltchat I can see how people might be motivated to learn in general, but bored by what they have to do in class |
| sandymillin |
9:11 PM |
RT @elawassell: The most important motivating factor is ... MOTIVATED TEACHER. That should ba a starting point. IMHO #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
9:11 PM |
RT @naomishema: @sandymillin U mean the ones who expect proficiency after 1 lesson? LOL! #eltchat <I think so! Or at least after 1 month |
| elawassell |
9:11 PM |
The most important motivating factor is ... MOTIVATED TEACHER. That should ba a starting point. IMHO #ELTchat |
| Wiktor_K |
9:12 PM |
Motivation, to me, is a force&drive - Ts should help direct it for learning to happen. So motivation and no tasks = laziness? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:12 PM |
@eannegrenoble So are we :-) #ELTchat |
| vickyloras |
9:13 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: #ELTchat motivation is blatantly not enough by itself. All the standard things necessary first - conducive environment, accessible input... |
| bertenu |
9:13 PM |
If you don't commit yourself to your goals you may fail,so motivation is necessary in learning.Thanks4this great topic:) #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:15 PM |
So how do we foster the 'force' and 'drive' over the length of the learning? #ELTchat@Wiktor_K |
| Marisa_C |
9:16 PM |
Can we all please agree to focus on the SECOND part of the question - which is really confusing as is? How to motivate LAZY Ss #ELTchat ? |
| louisealix68 |
9:16 PM |
needs also 2 be even balance/interplay between intrinsic/extrinsic #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:16 PM |
I created a lesson to help SS discuss motivation http://t.co/7t4z07ZJ It worked well and we came back to ideas again and again #eltchat |
| LearnBoost |
9:16 PM |
RT @elawassell: The most important motivating factor is ... MOTIVATED TEACHER. That should ba a starting point. IMHO #ELTchat |
| Wiktor_K |
9:17 PM |
@Shaunwilden Show them what we've done, what's coming up - and why it's relevant - even for the lazy ones, progress impresses. #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:17 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Can we all please agree to focus on the SECOND part of the question ? How to motivate LAZY Ss > I agree! #ELTchat ? |
| Shaunwilden |
9:17 PM |
@Marisa_C So i guess we need to be thinking about why we are terming them lazy #ELTchat |
| LearnBoost |
9:17 PM |
Motivation is investment at the core. Ts must be committed to investing Ss in big goals, both personal & group #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:17 PM |
RT @sandymillin: I created a lesson to help SS discuss motivation http://t.co/J1nfvKTe It worked well > That was a great lesson! #eltchat |
| LearnBoost |
9:18 PM |
@sophiamav A lazy but motivated student has either not been sufficiently challenged or has not connected with their wrk. Thoughts? #eltchat |
| SophiaMav |
9:18 PM |
@Shaunwilden my adult learners this year are highly interested in class but not committed outside. I can't call them lazy though. #ELTchat |
| jobethsteel |
9:18 PM |
#eltchat Some sts are motivated to learn but have diff exps of what they need to do to learn - those who think tchrs 'fill them' with info |
| louisealix68 |
9:18 PM |
it helps if sts know what is expected of them/where are going (i.e. 'why') #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:19 PM |
@SophiaMav #ELTchat I think you are right - we have the same problems - adults have othe commitments #eltchat Life, family, job... |
| harrisonmike |
9:19 PM |
#ELTchat I like Dornyei's idea of the ideal self and the ideal L2 self, i.e. what the person/learner hopes they will become |
| Marisa_C |
9:19 PM |
Why is a student called 'lazy" ? Yes @Shaunwilden is right - what does it mean? Lack of participation in class? No HW? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:20 PM |
@Shaunwilden #ELTchat Agree, I would blame myself if I couldn't motivate Ss to participate or be motivated |
| bertenu |
9:20 PM |
Teachers should develop and improve themselves to find new strategies to motivate lazy and eager SS #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:20 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: #ELTchat also: what factors are causing this perceived laziness? Is content too difficult? Other underlying issues (learning diff e.g.) |
| harrisonmike |
9:20 PM |
#ELTchat also: what factors are causing this perceived laziness? Is content too difficult? Other underlying issues (learning diff e.g.) |
| LearnBoost |
9:20 PM |
Wanting to learn is key to starting the process. Being challenged & finding sm successes along the way are key to finishing. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:20 PM |
@Marisa_C It sounds to me like a term of convenience a label given by a tchr than needs to be more responsive and find out more #ELTchat |
| louisealix68 |
9:20 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: #ELTchat I like Dornyei's idea of the ideal self and the ideal L2 self, i.e. what the person/learner hopes they will become |
| sandymillin |
9:21 PM |
#eltchat Would that count as being a lazy student? Where do you draw the line? And who decides which students are lazy? |
| jobethsteel |
9:21 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C It sounds to me like a term of convenience a label given by a tchr than needs to be more responsive and find out more #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
9:21 PM |
#eltchat I'm studying Chinese now. Have had 8 hours of classes so far, and have done a total of 1 hour of work outside class |
| Marisa_C |
9:21 PM |
RT @Wiktor_K: For me, "lazy" is a v. strong term. And also lots of overlap btwn "lazy" and "demotivated" #eltchat > agree w u - UNlike! |
| louisealix68 |
9:21 PM |
“@Wiktor_K: For me, "lazy" is a v. strong term. And also lots of overlap btwn "lazy" and "demotivated" #eltchatâ€>> absolutely! |
| elawassell |
9:21 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: I like Dornyeis idea of the ideal self and the ideal L2 self, i.e. what the person/learner hopes they will become #ELTchat |
| Wiktor_K |
9:21 PM |
For me, "lazy" is a v. strong term. And also lots of overlap btwn "lazy" and "demotivated" #eltchat |
| SophiaMav |
9:21 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @SophiaMav #ELTchat I think you are right - we have the same problems - adults have othe commitments #eltchat Life, family, job... |
| naomishema |
9:22 PM |
@louisealix68 What's wtc? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:22 PM |
@louisealix68 wtc? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:22 PM |
@harrisonmike @SophiaMav I would try giving them more compelling homework or let THEM choose their HW #ELTchat #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
9:22 PM |
#eltchat can we confuse lazy with WTC problems? |
| LearnBoost |
9:22 PM |
Brilliant TEDx talk by Victor Diaz on motivating "lazy" students http://t.co/N6GnXRq3 #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:22 PM |
#ELTchat not much truck here with learners who complain abt lacking time 2do English at home. I'm sorry, is 15 mins reading b4 bed 2much?? |
| naomishema |
9:22 PM |
Some SS learned without effort when young & then when encounter something that actually requires work they don't know how 2 work #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:22 PM |
@sandymillin So are you lazy then? :-) #ELTchat |
| Wiktor_K |
9:23 PM |
@leoselivan almost out of it:) #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
9:23 PM |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat Willingness to Communicate (i.e. also fear of failure/new persona) |
| Marisa_C |
9:23 PM |
RT @leoselivan: evening #eltchat motivation? > no, possibly the opposite - lack of it |
| leoselivan |
9:23 PM |
evening #eltchat motivation? |
| sandymillin |
9:23 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @sandymillin So are you lazy then? :-) #ELTchat <depends on if by lazy, we mean busy! |
| hyperquinetik |
9:23 PM |
RT @english247: Easy Songs for Learning #English http://t.co/xkQTGLo8 #esol #esl #elemchat #eltchat |
| esolamin |
9:24 PM |
@Marisa_C @harrisonmike @SophiaMav 2-3 ss today said they can't do homework coz of kids etc However, their attendance is 100% #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:24 PM |
@louisealix68 oH, glad u brought that up! SS who wait for others to do it first because of fear of failure! #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:24 PM |
#eltchat 4 me as a casual learner, important to find ways to fit study around my life in non-intrusive ways. Less overwhelming= + motivation |
| leoselivan |
9:24 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: #ELTchat also: what factors are causing this perceived laziness? > self-handicapping perhaps? |
| elawassell |
9:24 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: (...) learners who complain abt lacking time 2do English at home. Im sorry, is 15 mins reading b4 bed 2much? #ELTchat |
| LearnBoost |
9:24 PM |
@naomishema Interesting! Are perseverance & ability to frame obstacles as challenges overlooked in youth? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:24 PM |
@sandymillin Yes agreed but then it leads to a teacher perception of laziness #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
9:25 PM |
@LearnBoost I've had gifted kids who never lifted a finger in elelementary school and ACED be in shock in high-school! #eltchat |
| vickyloras |
9:25 PM |
RT @elawassell: RT @harrisonmike: I like Dornyeis idea of the ideal self and the ideal L2 self, i.e. what the person/learner hopes they will become #ELTchat |
| jobethsteel |
9:25 PM |
#eltchat agree 'lazy' isnt best word. How about 'not achieving potential' for myriad of reasons - always diff. As marisa says, solutions? |
| harrisonmike |
9:25 PM |
#eltchat a big problem is learners who make NO effort to engage with lang outside class. ESOL sts who say theyre too busy cooking/cleaning! |
| naomishema |
9:26 PM |
RT @Wiktor_K: Both the labels (lazy/shy/etc) and the excuses (kids/job/life) need to be unpacked by a careful teacher. True reasons matter here. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:26 PM |
RT @Wiktor_K: Both the labels (lazy/shy/etc) and the excuses (kids/job/life) need to be unpacked by a careful teacher. True reasons matter here. #eltchat |
| LearnBoost |
9:26 PM |
RT @jobethsteel: #eltchat agree 'lazy' isnt best word. How about 'not achieving potential' for myriad of reasons - always diff. |
| Wiktor_K |
9:26 PM |
Both the labels (lazy/shy/etc) and the excuses (kids/job/life) need to be unpacked by a careful teacher. True reasons matter here. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:26 PM |
Do as much as u can IN class, with such learners, although the value of doing work outside class shd be explained to them #ELTchat |
| bertenu |
9:26 PM |
RT @jobethsteel: #eltchat agree 'lazy' isnt best word. How about 'not achieving potential' for myriad of reasons - always diff. As marisa says, solutions? |
| esolamin |
9:26 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat a big problem is learners who make NO effort to engage with lang outside class. ESOL sts who say theyre too busy cooking/cleaning! |
| SophiaMav |
9:27 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Do as much as u can IN class, with such learners, although the value of doing work outside class shd be explained to them #ELTchat |
| SophiaMav |
9:27 PM |
@Marisa_C @harrisonmike tried it. They only do English Central occasionally. Never write essays or read texts #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
9:27 PM |
@harrisonmike ESOL students not engaging is not good because they could be surrounded by Eng- at least they could put the radio on! #eltchat |
| LearnBoost |
9:28 PM |
RT @wiktor_k: labels (lazy/shy/etc) & excuses (kids/job/life) need 2 B unpacked by a careful teacher. True reasons matter here. #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:28 PM |
@LearnBoost what's an ECE environment? #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:28 PM |
#eltchat some ESOL students live through their kids - no need to learn to read cos kid can do it. Big problem > resentment and isolation |
| sandymillin |
9:28 PM |
@SophiaMav what kind of SS do you teach? I always wonder about HW like writing essays/reading texts - would you do that as a SS? #ELTchat |
| Wiktor_K |
9:28 PM |
@Marisa_C Agree-making such ss work in class is where you can best monitor/reward success & turn things around #eltchat |
| LearnBoost |
9:28 PM |
What about teaching ESL in ECE environments, where Ss r almost mute (not really lazy)? How do we provide learning envirs 4 them? #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:29 PM |
#eltchat if students stick to their own speech community, they are going to lack the practice necessary to improve. Need to get out there! |
| sandymillin |
9:29 PM |
@Shaunwilden true, but for example, I never listen to radio online as faff! so always have local radio wherever I am - easy to find #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:29 PM |
@harrisonmike #eltchat Maybe if they could download some pocasts they might |
| ariascarm |
9:29 PM |
@naomishema exactly. That lead us to think learnimg to learn is a must even at early stages#eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:29 PM |
@sandymillin @harrisonmike I thought the same, mind you these days with the internet you can always access radio wherever u r #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:30 PM |
With our intermediate free classed who have plataeued i built them a wiki on all areas of syllabus - #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
9:30 PM |
@SophiaMav fair enough! but if not doing an MA, would you still want to write essays?! last essay I wrote was at uni! #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
9:30 PM |
@harrisonmike do your ESOL SS get chance through classes to interact with ppl outside your class? like by doing interviews outside #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:30 PM |
@sandymillin and funnily enough I never listen to radio thru the net :-) #ELTchat |
| LearnBoost |
9:30 PM |
@naomishema Truth. Learning HOW to learn is so important for gifted ss who will find that being "smart" won't always work #eltchat |
| SophiaMav |
9:30 PM |
@sandymillin I do that all the time, Sandy. Studying for an MA at the moment. Lots of reading and writing! #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
9:30 PM |
What about peer image among teenagers? sometimes it doesn't look cool to hit the books! #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:31 PM |
@Wiktor_K that is another problem! =( #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:31 PM |
@naomishema what about playing games on their phones? if it's an English-medium game then could still help them #eltchat |
| LearnBoost |
9:31 PM |
@naomishema Do you offer extensions for gifted ss? Would love to think thru great ways to incentivize them to engage #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:31 PM |
But unless monitored this doesn't work either - have discovered #ELtchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:31 PM |
@Marisa_C a possibility, we've got to raise awareness of these things. But you can only lead an ESOL student to water! #eltchat |
| leoselivan |
9:31 PM |
@harrisonmike that's a common problem isn't it. Those who r more interested in Eng spkg culture, films, music always do better #eltchat |
| Wiktor_K |
9:31 PM |
@harrisonmike Do they really? My ss can't/not allowed to "get out of there" (Saudi ladies), still motivated & dilligent. #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:32 PM |
@sandymillin they've got the whole college! Students who are mums could easily chat to other mums. Maybe fear holding back? #eltchat |
| LearnBoost |
9:32 PM |
RT @sandymillin: RT @LearnBoost: ECE is Early childhood education :) With the #eltchat tag this time |
| leoselivan |
9:32 PM |
@Shaunwilden @sandymillin I often listen to the radio on the net :) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:32 PM |
@harrisonmike @Marisa_C true re the water but also very true we need to raise awareness, try and tap into what they might do #ELTchat |
| jobethsteel |
9:32 PM |
@Marisa_C #eltchat agree. Learner training at start vital. |
| sandymillin |
9:33 PM |
@harrisonmike they could do it easily,but do they?!? my beginners were scared when I took to schl cafe.I made them speak to others! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:33 PM |
Many of our learners not really very much into web work - older learners busy etc #eltchat an issue |
| Shaunwilden |
9:34 PM |
RT @gorsevi: #eltchat the feeling of confidence is the key to motivate lazy ss. Teachers have to be dealing with srtengths of their ss all the time. |
| naomishema |
9:34 PM |
RT @sandymillin: @naomishema what about playing games on their phones? if it's an English-medium game then could still help them #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:34 PM |
@LearnBoost not familiar with the term extensions here #eltchat |
| gorsevi |
9:34 PM |
#eltchat the feeling of confidence is the key to motivate lazy ss. Teachers have to be dealing with srtengths of their ss all the time. |
| elawassell |
9:34 PM |
@harrisonmike I know exactly what you're talking abt! they probably feel they don't need 2 learn if they can manage without English #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:34 PM |
@Marisa_C I've recommended learners phone each other once or twice a week to practise - relatively cheap and low tech #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:34 PM |
@harrisonmike #eltchat No i don't think so - i think web a vast unknown territory for many Ss - needs carefull mapping - connecting etc |
| naomishema |
9:34 PM |
I've found that "tracking charts " REALLY help - when u make the progress visual it encourages http://t.co/hmnoRK9Q #eltchat |
| LearnBoost |
9:34 PM |
@leoselivan Great point! That drive to immerse oneself in pop-culture seems to bridge a ton of language barriers #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:34 PM |
@harrisonmike now they seem to have made some friends, but needed me to make them speak to break ice first #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:35 PM |
@Marisa_C are we mixing up web (Internet) and the network of people you could chat to? I'm confused #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:35 PM |
@harrisonmike #eltchat nice n easy idea - may be also mentor a lower level student - research evidence of boost in motivation & progress |
| SophiaMav |
9:35 PM |
@sandymillin why not? Especially if the topic was interesting. Writing, especially for the sts I teach (journalists) is a routine. #ELTchat |
| jobethsteel |
9:35 PM |
#eltchat have to go. Thanks! |
| naomishema |
9:35 PM |
RT @gorsevi: #eltchat the feeling of confidence is the key to motivate lazy ss. Teachers have to be dealing with srtengths of their ss all the time. |
| astonyF |
9:36 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Is anyone ready to talk about this topic and perhaps explain it? #ELTchat |
| LearnBoost |
9:36 PM |
@naomishema Extensions are like add-ons or slight changes to class assignments that ask gifted Ss to engage higher level thinking #eltchat |
| Wiktor_K |
9:36 PM |
@SophiaMav "routine" - a major problem, or a motivation boost? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:36 PM |
@harrisonmike #eltchat :-D don't know - i wasn't but now u got me confused as well :-D |
| vickyloras |
9:36 PM |
@naomishema I love the idea of tracking charts! #ELTchat |
| vickyloras |
9:36 PM |
RT @naomishema: I've found that "tracking charts " REALLY help - when u make the progress visual it encourages http://t.co/hmnoRK9Q #eltchat |
| leoselivan |
9:36 PM |
@LearnBoost yet it's strange when Ss shy away from it - even avoid it. Fear of foreign culture? |
| naomishema |
9:37 PM |
@LearnBoost Ah! I use differentiated teaching on a daily basis, but that's a long story! LOL!#eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:37 PM |
@naomishema how do the charts work? #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
9:38 PM |
@Shaunwilden We have charts 4 different things. The 1 in pic is for vocabulary cards. end of each practice kids plot their progress #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:38 PM |
@LearnBoost #eltchat always a good idea to give an extra stretch and challenge |
| mattledding |
9:39 PM |
@naomishema peer image & self image... found out a s I thought unmotivated dealing w personal issues. judging teens is dangerous. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:39 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Another thought is perhaps that Ss who APPEAR lazy might still be learning - not everyone learns same way #eltchat |
| gorsevi |
9:39 PM |
#eltchat No matter whatthe level and age is, if monitorred & planned well, web always works to motivate ss |
| Shaunwilden |
9:39 PM |
@naomishema So they are self-assessment tools? #ELTchat |
| LearnBoost |
9:39 PM |
@naomishema e.g. if class was writing haikus, an extension might be to perform it from mem or modify theirs creatively #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:39 PM |
Another thought is perhaps that Ss who APPEAR lazy might still be learning - not everyone learns same way #eltchat |
| samshep |
9:39 PM |
#ELTchat @harrisonmike what about getting ss to build up to engage outside class: eg.just 1 low "face challenge" task, then increase it? |
| Wiktor_K |
9:40 PM |
@mattledding Absolutely. Judging anyone is! Motivation changes by the day, by the hour even. #eltchat |
| LearnBoost |
9:40 PM |
@leoselivan Not sure if it's fear or just real lack of interest. Some people don't <3 cinema, music, etc. in their own language #eltchat |
| AdsenseT |
9:40 PM |
Check it out! Webinars: A Cookbook for Educators by Nicky Hockly http://t.co/1PGPPGGg #edtech #elearning #edchat #eltchat #esl |
| harrisonmike |
9:40 PM |
@samshep something I'm going to try build into my planning more next year. Go shop, ask sts to ask about stuff. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:41 PM |
@burcutezcanunal #eltchat Could well be Burcu - problem is they don't always feel free to express this in class |
| LearnBoost |
9:41 PM |
@leoselivan Esp Ss who like media as an "escape," trying to comprehend something in another lang makes it into a task, not fun? #eltchat |
| bertenu |
9:41 PM |
Tracking charts are gr8 thank you:)yfrog Photo : http://t.co/g4J0ahiP via @naomishema #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
9:41 PM |
RT @burcutezcanunal: @Marisa_C apparently 'lazy' ones or demotivated ones do believe that the task is both unachieveble and not valuable enough #eltchat |
| burcutezcanunal |
9:41 PM |
@Marisa_C apparently 'lazy' ones or demotivated ones do believe that the task is both unachieveble and not valuable enough #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:41 PM |
@Shaunwilden partially. there are diplomas and other things for completion that go on the wall #ELTchat |
| CELT_Athens |
9:42 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @burcutezcanunal am a terrible lang learner if I cant see the point of sa task I wont do it #ELTchat > me too |
| Shaunwilden |
9:42 PM |
@harrisonmike nite Mike thanks for joining #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
9:42 PM |
@harrisonmike Good night! #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:42 PM |
@burcutezcanunal @Marisa_C well i can vouch for that am a terrible lang learner if I cant see the point of sa task I wont do it #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:42 PM |
#ELTchat right, bed! Night chatters enjoy the rest =) |
| DidemTEMZ |
9:42 PM |
RT @aPLaNetproject: Do you have colleagues who can't use Twitter? Pls send them to our Twitter websquest for educators http://t.co/mSpWuvzm #aplanet #ELTchat |
| leoselivan |
9:43 PM |
@LearnBoost hmmm very good points #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:43 PM |
@Shaunwilden @burcutezcanunal #ELTchat #eltchat me too :-D |
| burcutezcanunal |
9:44 PM |
“@Marisa_C: #eltchat I guess it is us who has to make the task achievable and valuable or at least approach to them an really listen maybe |
| LearnBoost |
9:44 PM |
@naomishema Very nice! Well beyond 140 characters to discuss real differentiation I'm sure! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:45 PM |
What I have tried in the past -and it has always worked -is ask them to give presentations or be responsible for teaching something #eltchat |
| SophiaMav |
9:45 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Another thought is perhaps that Ss who APPEAR lazy might still be learning - not everyone learns same way> YES! #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:45 PM |
@Marisa_C Do you have an elthat? #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
9:46 PM |
RT @SophiaMav: RT @Marisa_C: Another thought is perhaps that Ss who APPEAR lazy might still be learning - not everyone learns same way> YES! #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
9:46 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: What I have tried in the past -and it has always worked -is ask them to give presentations or be responsible for teaching something #eltchat |
| LearnBoost |
9:47 PM |
@marisa_c Esp when talking about "lazy," it really begs us to think about how or if the T is doing enough to engage Ss #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:47 PM |
#eltchat Have you ever discussed laziness with your students in general? Not necessarily specifically related to lang learning... |
| SophiaMav |
9:47 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: What I have tried in the past -and it has always worked -is ask them to give presentations or be responsible for teaching something #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:48 PM |
@sandymillin #eltchat i think it's a v good idea to confront the issue and ask what makes ss not participate or whatever |
| Shaunwilden |
9:48 PM |
@sandymillin you mean simply as a topic for discussion?#ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:48 PM |
@LearnBoost #eltchat agree - absolutely - as i said before i'd take the blame every time |
| naomishema |
9:48 PM |
@bertenu I find the charts useful both with younger kids and my high-school students . glad u like them too! #ELTchat |
| LearnBoost |
9:49 PM |
@naomishema Or, something that wrks well is 2 ask gifted Ss for ideas 4 improving the centers - helps them put on their thkg caps! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:49 PM |
@sandymillin Yes i agree, also good to get peoples impressions of what they see as lazy #ELTchat |
| YOLANDA_EGEA |
9:49 PM |
RT @aClilToClimb: May I be so bold as to suggest reading tutorial on photo taking? http://t.co/lHskPhPW #ELTchat #ELTpics |
| sandymillin |
9:49 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: you mean simply as a topic for discussion?#ELTchat yes - could start generally, then lead on to work needed for langs |
| LearnBoost |
9:49 PM |
@naomishema Nice! Extensions in learning centers can be implicit, e.g. have the gifted Ss be lrng center Ts. Thoughts?... #eltchat |
| Wiktor_K |
9:50 PM |
Ss tend to be most motivated when signing up 4 class-that's when good& solid needs analysis & individual learning plan must happen #eltchat |
| maizie |
9:50 PM |
Are students really Lazy or is something bothering them? #ELTchat |
| gorsevi |
9:51 PM |
#eltchat however they might ask someone for the presentation what about giving roles within a group presentation to facilitate scaffolding? |
| eannegrenoble |
9:51 PM |
@sandymillin I think that there really is a problem with the word #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:51 PM |
@esolamin always tend to be harder on myself - then look how ss can meet me halfway :-) #eltchat my job to engage |
| sandymillin |
9:51 PM |
@Wiktor_K and then you need to follow through on it! start of classes is often when we're most motivated too ;) #eltchat |
| esolamin |
9:51 PM |
@Marisa_C @LearnBoost Blame bit too harsh, no? :-) I'd re-examine & change technique/topic, but ss must meet me 1/2 way too ... #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:51 PM |
RT @maizie: Are students really Lazy or is something bothering them? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:53 PM |
@eannegrenoble #eltchat I think everyone agrees that this is not a great way of describing Ss #eltchat |
| LearnBoost |
9:53 PM |
RT @marisa_c: @esolamin always tend to be harder on myself - then look how ss can meet me halfway :-) #eltchat my job to engage |
| sandymillin |
9:53 PM |
@Wiktor_K agreed! #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:53 PM |
RT @eannegrenoble: @sandymillin I think that there really is a problem with the word #eltchat < so we can confront it thru discussion |
| Shaunwilden |
9:53 PM |
@eannegrenoble @sandymillin well it is quite a loaded word #ELTchat |
| Wiktor_K |
9:53 PM |
@sandymillin True - or remind ss of what motivated them back then (when they go through a dip). Good to have it on hand. #eltchat |
| yesseniacgr |
9:54 PM |
#eltchat Ss of EFL hate it when they are taught things they don't need. Needs analysis is very important |
| Marisa_C |
9:54 PM |
@esolamin so may be give them a choice of things to do #eltchat - some Ss will like reading, others listening to songs etc |
| Shaunwilden |
9:54 PM |
RT @LearnBoost: #eltchat my job to engage - completely agree :-) |
| SophiaMav |
9:54 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @eannegrenoble #eltchat I think everyone agrees that this is not a great way of describing Ss #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:55 PM |
Ok 5 minutes left just time for last pieces of advice.....#ELTchat |
| LearnBoost |
9:55 PM |
@esolamin @marisa_c It's less about blame and more about continually improving practice. Reflection = the best place 2 start! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:55 PM |
@yesseniacgr #eltchat needs analysis and taking part in evaluating lessons - how often do most Ts do that? |
| naomishema |
9:55 PM |
@LearnBoost giving students roles in the classroom works at all ages, IMHO #eltchat |
| SophiaMav |
9:55 PM |
RT @yesseniacgr: #eltchat Ss of EFL hate it when they are taught things they dont need. Needs analysis is very important #ELTchat |
| LearnBoost |
9:56 PM |
@naomishema Righto! Having "roles" in the classroom is empowering, builds positive culture, and offers implicit scaffolding. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:56 PM |
,,,,,, and of course volunteer for the summary :-) #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:56 PM |
@LearnBoost #eltchat agreed |
| LearnBoost |
9:56 PM |
RT @naomishema: @LearnBoost giving students roles in the classroom works at all ages, IMHO #eltchat Definitely! |
| SophiaMav |
9:57 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Allow Ss to give you advice on how to plan lessons that will motivate them to work beyond class time #ELTchat |
| esolamin |
9:57 PM |
RT @LearnBoost: @esolamin @marisa_c It's less about blame and more about continually improving practice. Reflection = the best place 2 start! #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:57 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Allow Ss to give you advice on how to plan lessons that will motivate them to work beyond class time #eltchat |
| vlnzdm0 |
9:57 PM |
eltchat |
| Wiktor_K |
9:57 PM |
Famous last words:ss who make it through the school's door and sign on for a language course = NOT lazy. Motivation will vary, tho. #eltchat |
| ServerExpert |
9:57 PM |
Check it out! Webinars: A Cookbook for Educators by Nicky Hockly http://t.co/CWxrc0zR #edtech #elearning #edchat #eltchat #esl'#FF |
| Marisa_C |
9:57 PM |
Allow Ss to give you advice on how to plan lessons that will motivate them to work beyond class time #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:58 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: People posting off topic during chat time is really annoys me #ELTchat > not very nice I agree |
| Shaunwilden |
9:58 PM |
People posting off topic during chat time really annoys me #ELTchat |
| esolamin |
9:58 PM |
@LearnBoost @marisa_c Reassuring note to end an interesting forum! :-) #eltchat |
| maizie |
9:59 PM |
Tech motivates my students#ELTchat |
| LearnBoost |
9:59 PM |
Before we label Ss "lazy," let's think about our teaching mindsets! http://t.co/WDtlleez #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:59 PM |
Oh I was just warming up!!!! #Eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
10:00 PM |
RT @maizie: Tech motivates my students #ELTchat |
| LearnBoost |
10:00 PM |
@shaunwilden Haha. Agreed - Great recap :) Great chat overall! #eltchat |
| bertenu |
10:01 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @maizie: Tech motivates my students #ELTchat |
| SheetalZA |
10:01 PM |
@Marisa_C I just happened to log on now & #eltchat sounds interesting this eve...but it's over now? :( |
| SophiaMav |
10:01 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @maizie: Tech motivates my students > True, they love it! #ELTchat |
| LearnBoost |
10:01 PM |
Wonderful #eltchat: great chatting @esolamin @marisa_c @shaunwilden @naomishema. Happy Wednesday! |
| yesseniacgr |
10:01 PM |
@Marisa_C #eltchat Ts discuss evaluation plans, but most of the time is a one way discussion |
| Shaunwilden |
10:01 PM |
ok volunteer for the summary? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
10:02 PM |
@SheetalZA #eltchat Yes, so sorry - hope you join us next week - but you can read the transcript and explore our blog |
| Marisa_C |
10:03 PM |
@SheetalZA #eltchat good night and check welcome page to find out more about when and how |
| SophiaMav |
10:03 PM |
RT @yesseniacgr: #eltchat Ts must foster a class environment where Ss feel their opinions matter without losing face #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
10:03 PM |
@SheetalZA #eltchat http://t.co/qnl4TrHH that's where we post summaries of our chats |
| SheetalZA |
10:03 PM |
@Marisa_C #eltchat will do! Thanks & good night from S.Africa :) |
| yesseniacgr |
10:03 PM |
#eltchat Ts must foster a class environment where Ss feel their opinions matter without losing face |
| Marisa_C |
10:04 PM |
Who would like to do the summary please? #eltchat |
| Wiktor_K |
10:04 PM |
Thanks all, goodnight! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
10:04 PM |
RT @SophiaMav: RT @yesseniacgr: #eltchat Ts must foster a class environment where Ss feel their opinions matter without losing face #ELTchat |
| SophiaMav |
10:04 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @SheetalZA #eltchat http://t.co/owHP6cma thats where we post summaries of our chats #ELTchat |
| SheetalZA |
10:04 PM |
@Marisa_C #eltchat thank you very much marisa! |
| Marisa_C |
10:06 PM |
Thank you all for joining tonight's chat. We may have had a slow start but in the end we got quite a few ideas shared!!! #ELTchat |
| maizie |
10:07 PM |
@Marisa_C Goodnight Everyone#ELTchat |
| MRWED_CEO |
10:08 PM |
RT @LearnBoost: Before we label Ss "lazy," let's think about our teaching mindsets! http://t.co/WDtlleez #eltchat |
| CliveSir |
10:08 PM |
RT @gret: Please vote for this week's #elemchat topic - http://t.co/35dWCTm3 #edchat #cpchat #ntchat #edtech #eltchat |
| bertenu |
10:09 PM |
@Marisa_C thanks to you all :) good night:) #ELTchat |
| SophiaMav |
10:09 PM |
@Wiktor_K I guess that's a great topic for another #ELTchat. Some routine can make ss- esp YL- feel safe. Too much can be detrimental. |
| Marisa_C |
10:09 PM |
@maizie @SophiaMav #ELTchat@esolamin @Wiktor_K #eltchat #ELTchat@yesseniacgr #eltchat #eltchat Goodnight all & thnks! |
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