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Do ELT Publishers have too much influence and do they lag behind the times

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This is the transcript for #ELTchat on May 16 at 12 p.m. BST Here is the word file

 

Do ELT publishers have too much influence and are they out of touch with reality? Do they lag behind the times

 

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Shaunwilden

2:00 PM

Shall we get started?  #ELTchat

cybraryman1

2:00 PM

#eltchat NOW "Do ELT publishers have too much influence and are they out of touch with reality? Do they lag behind the times #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:00 PM

@OUPELTGlobal Great! Thanks - some authors would be good too  #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:00 PM

Any published ELT authors joining #ELTchat today please? They might have more information than the rest of us

Marisa_C

2:01 PM

@Pearson_ELT @PearsonELTUSA @wetheround @MacmillanELT Join #eltchat today it's about: you all :-)

esolcourses

2:01 PM

@Shaunwilden @cioccas  - true. Though only have a fairly limited perspective on them #ELTChat

royparmesan

2:01 PM

Too much influence re whom? Publishers whatever they do - time disconnect w practice will get bigger #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:01 PM

Today's #ELTchat should be interesting ;)

Shaunwilden

2:02 PM

@OUPELTGlobal  Would you like to get the ball rolling? ;-)  #ELTchat

rliberni

2:03 PM

This is a big question I think yes, probably not and prob not tho lead times for launch might affect this #eltchat (oops in edchat mode)

OUPELTGlobal

2:03 PM

@Shaunwilden Well... why don't we hear what people think and we'll see if we can allay some of their suspicions :) #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:03 PM

@Shaunwilden  #ELTchat Who asked this question Shaun? Can't find them

Marisa_C

2:04 PM

And small publishers for that matter - they carry the same influence within the school context #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:04 PM

RT @Marisa_C I believe big publishers do have a lot of influence, especially in contexts where the CB is the syllabus is the method #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:04 PM

I believe big publishers do have a lot of influence, especially in contexts where the CB is the syllabus is the method #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:04 PM

@Marisa_C It's a third place topic from previous  #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:05 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @Shaunwilden @esolcourses @cioccas And publishers don't only publish coursebooks. #ELTchat Good point

theteacherjames

2:05 PM

@OUPELTGlobal Good to see you here! #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:05 PM

@ElkySmith @Marisa_C @trylingual No it was ty last week  #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:05 PM

Does anyone disagree about the influence factor? #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:05 PM

@Shaunwilden @esolcourses @cioccas And publishers don't only publish coursebooks. #ELTchat

elawassell

2:05 PM

RT @Marisa_C: I believe big publishers do have a lot of influence,especially in contexts where the CB is the syllabus is the method #ELTchat

rliberni

2:06 PM

@OUPELTGlobal  I think that is the biggest drawback things move fast pubs can't #eltchat

esolcourses

2:06 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: RT @theteacherjames: @Shaunwilden @esolcourses @cioccas And publishers don't only publish coursebooks. #ELTchat Good point

Marisa_C

2:06 PM

@OUPELTGlobal I think it's two or 3 yrs to get a project off ground or am I wrong? #eltchat

Wiktor_K

2:06 PM

Hi there - busy lurker here today, just going to watch most of the time #eltchat

esolcourses

2:06 PM

RT @rliberni: I think much of ELT is decided by CBs but that they also help teachers a lot, especially new teachers #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:06 PM

@Marisa_C One of the biggest problems is that CBs take time to put together, esp. to our standard of quality - can become outdated #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:06 PM

@Marisa_C  agree - also think there's no escaping the fact that publishers are in business to make money, & focus is on what sells #ELTchat

rliberni

2:06 PM

I think much of ELT is decided by CBs but that they also help teachers a lot, especially new teachers #eltchat

timjulian60

2:06 PM

Hi folks! I've been teaching for 30 yrs and the improvement in cbs has been massive imo #eltchat

esolcourses

2:07 PM

RT @rliberni: @OUPELTGlobal  I think that is the biggest drawback things move fast pubs can't #eltchat ] agree - & web has speeded things up

Shaunwilden

2:07 PM

@rliberni @OUPELTGlobal Yes and these days it is even faster given all the social networking  #ELTchat

BobK99

2:07 PM

RT @Marisa_C: And small publishers for that matter ... #ELTchat > Quite. What's a 'publisher'  today?

ElkySmith

2:07 PM

#eltchat Publishers have big influence on new teachers through the coursebooks they encounter pre-service and in-service.

theteacherjames

2:07 PM

@Marisa_C Definitely not disagreeing here. #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:07 PM

Often, yes RT @Marisa_C: @OUPELTGlobal I think it's two or 3 yrs to get a project off ground or am I wrong? #eltchat

englishraven

2:08 PM

RT @ElkySmith: #eltchat Publishers have big influence on new teachers through the coursebooks they encounter pre-service and in-service.

Wiktor_K

2:08 PM

@OUPELTGlobal Do you find that paper-based CBs get in your way? Would things be different with constantly updated digital CBs? #eltchat

rliberni

2:08 PM

I have also found publishers very helpful - when they come and see me #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:08 PM

The speed with which things change today is a fairly recent phenomenon tho #ELTchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:08 PM

Not if they want to produce quality RT @rliberni: @OUPELTGlobal  I think that is the biggest drawback things move fast pubs can't #eltchat

elawassell

2:09 PM

@theteacherjames true! In some countries - the workshops organised by the publishers are the only form of PD for many teachers. #ELTchat

rliberni

2:09 PM

@Marisa_C  true I used Kernel Lessons for over 3 years! No other choice #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:09 PM

@Wiktor_K Probably not. The content still needs to be of high quality. Still all the checks and assurance stages to go through #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:09 PM

I personally find that published coursebooks have a short shelf life #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:09 PM

@Marisa_C Yes new but one that must have an effect on traditional publishing models  #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:10 PM

RT @teflerinha: Hi, not sure I have much new to say on this- but happy to respond as an author to any qs  #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:10 PM

RT @BobK99 RT @Marisa_C And small publishers for that matter  #ELTchat > Quite. What's a 'publisher'  today? ] good point.  Much broader now

ElkySmith

2:10 PM

@Marisa_C #eltchat Do you think CBs like Speakout and Life, with their BBC/NG material will have a longer shelf life?

rliberni

2:10 PM

RT @Marisa_C: I personally find that published coursebooks have a short shelf life #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:11 PM

@ElkySmith Perhaps, the print part though has some pretty traditional and outdated stuff - still - which is a shame  #eltchat

rliberni

2:11 PM

Some school timetable are so frantic that there simply isn't time to create anything new - CBs are the simplest way #eltchat

bunarart

2:11 PM

#ELTchat ELF issue must be included in CBs, rather than traditional patterns

BobK99

2:12 PM

RT @BobK99: #eltchat 6/9/12 mth lead time (as print publishers do) they're bound to miss the Next Big Thing -  doesn't make bks irrelvnt

ElkySmith

2:12 PM

@Marisa_C I agree. How much further can CBs really evolve? #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:12 PM

@Marisa_C But the language doesn't change that much, fundamentally. Think there is a way to create materials with lasting relevance #ELTchat

Wiktor_K

2:12 PM

RT @rliberni: Some school timetable are so frantic that there simply isnt time to create anything new - CBs are the simplest way #eltchat

rliberni

2:12 PM

Maybe a digitally evolving CB with print on demand? #eltchat

nihangunday

2:12 PM

RT @IsilBoy: Motivate Online Learners With 4 Easy Strategies http://t.co/CcmenCL0 #eltchat #edtech

worldteacher

2:12 PM

Just got away from a Skype call, so missed the start of #eltchat.  Will try to catch up. Probably just lurk on this one, anyway!

worldteacher

2:13 PM

RT @rliberni: Maybe a digitally evolving CB with print on demand? #eltchat >Sounds great - do you know if anyone;'s working on such a thing?

theteacherjames

2:13 PM

@Wiktor_K @OUPELTGlobal And constant online updates would be really expensive! #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:13 PM

@theteacherjames  #ELTchat The lang doesn't change THAT much but topics and what we know abt learning is at a different place

esolcourses

2:13 PM

@Marisa_C @ElkySmith  worth bearing in mind that traditional doesn't always=bad though.  Can sometimes still be relevant #ELTChat

Shaunwilden

2:13 PM

@theteacherjames @Marisa_C Was just about to ask what you thought it was :-)  #ELTchat

bunarart

2:13 PM

#ELTchat accor. to a study conducted in Istanbul., sts are not aware enough of ELF, even ELT sts.

OUPELTGlobal

2:13 PM

RT @BobK99: RT @BobK99: #eltchat 6/9/12 mth lead time (as print publishers do) they're bound to miss the Next Big Thing -  doesn't make bks irrelvnt

theteacherjames

2:13 PM

@Marisa_C Not sure what it is though! #ELTchat

theteacherjames

2:14 PM

@Shaunwilden If only... #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:14 PM

@teflerinha So what that means is a different book for each local context?  #ELTchat

theteacherjames

2:14 PM

@Marisa_C True. One day we'll understand how languages are learned & we'll miss these wild west days! #ELTchat

hartle

2:14 PM

#eltchat Hi everyone, what are we talking about today?

Marisa_C

2:14 PM

@esolcourses  #ELTChat  I have for a long time been observing classes where all the major coursebooks used for teaching - don't really agree

Wiktor_K

2:14 PM

I'm hopeful abt digital native teachers - able to curate & develop exciting & current materials, where CBs fall short. Are you? #eltchat

teflerinha

2:14 PM

#eltchat Think CBs need to leave plenty of room for personalisation/adapting to local context- provide a framework.

OUPELTGlobal

2:15 PM

Expensive and resource-heavy RT @theteacherjames: @Wiktor_K @OUPELTGlobal And constant online updates would be really expensive! #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:15 PM

@nihangunday remember to use the #ELTchat hashtag :-)

teflerinha

2:15 PM

RT @teflerinha: @Shaunwilden No not different book- but flexible and adaptable books #eltchat (forgot again)

MrChrisJWilson

2:15 PM

#eltchat I'd love to see publishers really adapt to new media. Subscription charges which lead to Sending out regularly updated lessons etc

worldteacher

2:15 PM

@teflerinha I agree, but are there any that do this? #eltchat

ElkySmith

2:15 PM

@esolcourses @Marisa_C #eltchat Absolutely.

Marisa_C

2:15 PM

RT @nihangunday: @Marisa_C I guess it's because kids go beyond just working on books..#ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:16 PM

@worldteacher @teflerinha But bloody expensive to produce I would guess :-) #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:16 PM

@Shaunwilden I think pearson did sth called a flexicourse - too early - flopped  #eltchat

teflerinha

2:16 PM

@worldteacher Books can't do it, but teachers can :) if books aren't too prescriptive #eltchat

esolcourses

2:16 PM

@theteacherjames @Wiktor_K @OUPELTGlobal online updates would be really expensive! #eltchat ] Disagree. If I can do it so can big pubs :-)

worldteacher

2:16 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @teflerinha So what that means is a different book for each local context?  #ELTchat > Now that would be good!!

Shaunwilden

2:16 PM

RT @teflerinha: No not different book- but flexible and adaptable books - Is that really possible given the wide range of contexts? #eltchat

hartle

2:16 PM

#eltchat ahh CBs I like to have one although then I find that it is like a brick round my neck

BobK99

2:16 PM

RT @bunarart: #ELTchat accor. to a study conducted in Istanbul., sts are not aware enough of ELF, even ELT sts. .>'Enough'? Does st define?

bunarart

2:16 PM

#ELTchat the reason behind it is CBs dont take ELF as a model, dict.s are not based on diff. varieties of Eng.

worldteacher

2:17 PM

@teflerinha That's what I mean - are there any books which can be easily adapted for local use? #eltchat

rliberni

2:17 PM

@worldteacher  no idea just a though for keeping things up-to-date #eltchat

hartle

2:17 PM

#eltchat the ideal CB wd be a structure with topics, ideas, suggestions pointing teachers & stds towards all the other resources

OUPELTGlobal

2:17 PM

@esolcourses @theteacherjames @Wiktor_K If big pubs did it, the cost of materials would have to go up. At least initially #ELTchat

michaelegriffin

2:18 PM

@worldteacher @teflerinha Hey all...what would it mean to be easily adaptable for local use?  #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:18 PM

@elawassell @teflerinha Well publishers do adapt for different markets but not too the extreme that I think we're talking about #eltchat

worldteacher

2:18 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @worldteacher @teflerinha But bloody expensive to produce I would guess :-) #eltchat >Yes, I expect so!

OUPELTGlobal

2:18 PM

@theteacherjames @esolcourses @Wiktor_K Absolutely! #ELTchat

aslibasarirunlu

2:18 PM

RT @hartle: #eltchat the ideal CB wd be a structure with topics, ideas, suggestions pointing teachers & stds towards all the other resources

ElkySmith

2:18 PM

#eltchat Will the move to CEFR alignment lead to reduced reliance on CBs and more in-house development relevant to local context?

rliberni

2:18 PM

@worldteacher  I think all these must be possible if you sacrifice a bit of quality p'haps and go for content #eltchat

worldteacher

2:18 PM

@teflerinha Here in Vietnam we spend a lot of time adapting CBs to make them less euro-centric #eltchat

esolcourses

2:18 PM

@Marisa_C think we are talking at cross purposes. I meant format, rather than teaching from a book #ELTChat

theteacherjames

2:18 PM

@esolcourses @Wiktor_K @OUPELTGlobal At least that's what I heard somewhere... #eltchat

BobK99

2:18 PM

@worldteacher @riberni  #eltchat PoD teaching materials - nice idea but copyright wd be a nightmare! ;-)

elawassell

2:18 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @teflerinha So what that means is a different book for each local context?  <-ideal and unreal? #ELTchat

theteacherjames

2:18 PM

@esolcourses @Wiktor_K @OUPELTGlobal In theory, but I think the licensing, writing, sub-editing & licensing costs would be huge. #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:19 PM

@esolcourses @theteacherjames Question then... how many CBs do you produce? #ELTchat

Wiktor_K

2:19 PM

Apple's iBooks looks good, but hermetic - my guerrilla take on it: http://t.co/UZUo9zi3 - does @OUPELTGlobal work on these? #ELTchat

ElkySmith

2:19 PM

@hartle @aslibasarirunlu #eltchat So not really a CB (as we know it) then?

Marisa_C

2:19 PM

@esolcourses No i meant the format too - :-)  #ELTChat

hartle

2:19 PM

@Shaunwilden thnx Shaun, btw, any news abt the conference papers for Iatefl a propos of publishing? #eltchat

rliberni

2:19 PM

@worldteacher  there are books made specially for the Middle East - maybe it's possible for Asia too? Hey publishers? #eltchat

esolcourses

2:19 PM

@OUPELTGlobal @theteacherjames once again, I disagree. if an online publisher with a staff of two can manage do it, so can anyone #ELTChat

Shaunwilden

2:19 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Publishing HAS become much more localised - diff books for Muslim countries for example #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:19 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Publishing HAS become much more localised - diff books for Muslim countries for example #ELTchat

rliberni

2:20 PM

But do students like the feel of having a book for their course - I think they do #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:20 PM

@ElkySmith @hartle @aslibasarirunlu  Is it right to talk abt cbk anyway - more like course materials since it usually so much more? #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:20 PM

RT @worldteacher: @teflerinha Here in Vietnam we spend a lot of time adapting CBs to make them less euro-centric #eltchat

hartle

2:20 PM

RT @worldteacher: @teflerinha Here in Vietnam we spend a lot of time adapting ... #eltchat we do that in Europe too !!! to make thm relevant

worldteacher

2:20 PM

@rliberni Would be nice to see - just started using Garnet - made for Middle East, but more suited to us than the 'normal' CBs #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:20 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Marisa_C: Publishing HAS become much more localised - diff books for Muslim countries for example #eltchat

teflerinha

2:21 PM

@worldteacher Yes, bt same 4 mostcontexts(e.g. ESOL in UK). Isn't that part of using a CB- still less work thn starting frm scratch #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:21 PM

@Wiktor_K Not yet. But it's something we're considering #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:21 PM

@rliberni I'd say yes but some would argue that they are just used to having them #eltchat

esolcourses

2:21 PM

@OUPELTGlobal @theteacherjames we don't. It's all online. Point I' m making though is updating online mats is not that difficult #ELTChat

englishraven

2:21 PM

Coursebook or no coursebook - what do learners prefer? Some of the answers might surprise you... http://t.co/VGIilV9M  #eltchat

vale360

2:22 PM

RT @hartle: #eltchat the ideal CB wd be a structure with topics, ideas, suggestions pointing teachers & stds towards all other resources

teflerinha

2:22 PM

@hartle @worldteacher #eltchat Yes, that's my point. Every context is different, nothing will fit all perfectly

worldteacher

2:22 PM

RT @teflerinha: Yes, bt same 4 mostcontexts(e.g. ESOL in UK). Isn't that part of using a CB-less work thn starting frm scratch #eltchat>true

kevchanwow

2:22 PM

@hartle @Shaunwilden There are Japan  "focused" CBs, but even localized CBs can't make the students suddenly want to talk. #ELTchat

Wiktor_K

2:22 PM

@OUPELTGlobal Would love to see that happen for our iPad-sporting students! #eltchat

rliberni

2:22 PM

@Shaunwilden  good point I often give vocab books or even guide books but they do like something #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:22 PM

@esolcourses @theteacherjames Maybe not in isolation, but updating online and print for over 2000 titles a year would be #ELTchat

Tatiawa

2:22 PM

RT @NikPeachey: RT @IsilBoy: Motivate Online Learners 4 Easy Strategies http://t.co/b1E4mt1L #eltchat #edtech  #elearn #ELT #EFL #web20

elawassell

2:22 PM

Agree! RT @rliberni: But do students like the feel of having a book for their course - I think they do #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:22 PM

@OUPELTGlobal @theteacherjames unlike traditional print, you can edit it as and when required. No need to start 100% from scratch #ELTChat

Marisa_C

2:23 PM

RT @hartle: #eltchat the ideal CB wd be a structure with topics, ideas, suggestions pointing teachers & stds towards all other resources

Shaunwilden

2:23 PM

RT @rliberni: @Shaunwilden  also it's helpful for ss to review or do extra work from the cb or workbook #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:23 PM

@Wiktor_K Well we already have a range of learning apps (mainly graded readers)... it's only a matter of time! #ELTchat

ElkySmith

2:23 PM

@rliberni #eltchat Perhaps because that's what they expect but prefer to sacrifice CB for better teaching I think - they pay more for it!

hartle

2:23 PM

#ELTchat it might mean: Unit 1 Getting to know you activities + integrating Google maps, activities, + language focus & urls etc.

hartle

2:24 PM

RT @englishraven: Coursebook or no coursebook - what do learners prefer? http://t.co/7zco5dTr  #eltchat

elawassell

2:24 PM

@Shaunwilden @rliberni not only that - it gives them a sense of progress (even if linear and illusive)+ they have sth to revise wth #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:24 PM

@aslibasarirunlu @ElkySmith @hartle  Restricting or a useful starting point? #eltchat

rliberni

2:24 PM

RT @Marisa_C: RT @hartle: #eltchat the ideal CB wd be a structure with topics, ideas, suggestions pointing teachers & stds towards all other resources

esolcourses

2:24 PM

@OUPELTGlobal @theteacherjames still think it can be done :-) Simply use a subscrition model, rather than selling physical books #ELTChat

rliberni

2:24 PM

@ElkySmith  depends on the organisation I think #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:25 PM

@teflerinha @hartle @worldteacher It's not realistic to expect a book to fit your situation. Adaption should be normal & encouraged #eltchat

ElkySmith

2:25 PM

@Shaunwilden @aslibasarirunlu @hartle #eltchat Both…either…it depends!

esolcourses

2:25 PM

@OUPELTGlobal @theteacherjames fair enough... and I agree that there is still going to be a market in that respect for some time #ELTChat

BobK99

2:25 PM

RT @rliberni: ... like the feel of having a book for thr crse - I think t[so] #eltchat > And some Ss (me, eg) depend on page layout for mem

Marisa_C

2:25 PM

@TyKendall  #eltchat 500 lines!!!

Shaunwilden

2:25 PM

@TyKendall  tiz yout topic!!!!! #eltchat

TyKendall

2:25 PM

#eltchat AAAAAAAAAAAGH Fashionably late I'm calling it :-)

OUPELTGlobal

2:25 PM

@esolcourses @theteacherjames I take your point. Reality is, though, that many of our titles sell in countries where IT skills low #ELTchat

michaelegriffin

2:26 PM

I think "English Upgrade" was made (pretty much specifically) for students in Asia  http://t.co/207Gg52k #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:26 PM

Agree - adaptation a given - no perfect coursebook can exist by definition #Eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:26 PM

@esolcourses @theteacherjames For a long time to come, probably. However, we are moving towards more interactive online courses #ELTchat

hartle

2:26 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @ElkySmith @hartle @aslibasarirunlu  Is it right to talk ? #eltchat Yes maybe we should call them "Course Directions"

TyKendall

2:26 PM

#eltchat @Shaunwilden  I know, the significant other is sick so I'm playing nurse/slave

teflerinha

2:26 PM

RT @teflerinha: @Shaunwilden @aslibasarirunlu @ElkySmith @hartle 4 me..starting point (though CB doesn't have to mean paper book) #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:27 PM

Ideally, we'd move to a mix of online and print, with online being more customizable to different teaching styles and cultures #ELTchat

ElkySmith

2:27 PM

@theteacherjames @teflerinha @hartle @worldteacher Agree. Ts often assume the opposite is expected of them even when it isn't. #eltchat

esolcourses

2:27 PM

@Marisa_C not enough scope to clarify what I mean in 140 chrs, so lets just agree to disagree for now & discuss later :-) #ELTChat

Wiktor_K

2:27 PM

I'm with @hartle here: Publisher-provided "skeleton" + localized/owned/updated content = result. In few yrs, this shd be possible. #eltchat

rliberni

2:27 PM

@BobK99  good point I think #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:27 PM

@aslibasarirunlu @Shaunwilden @ElkySmith @hartle but isn't knowing the right content for a class part of what makes us teachers? #ELTchat

chiasuan

2:28 PM

Isn't the term 'coursebook' a bit of a misnomer if we're going to adapt & pick&choose frm it? Should it be a resource pack? #eltchat

cioccas

2:28 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Agree - adaptation a given - no perfect coursebook can exist by definition #Eltchat

worldteacher

2:28 PM

@theteacherjames I agree and I, too, have always adapted for local use but my point is that in Asia EVERYTHING has to be changed!#eltchat

Marisa_C

2:28 PM

@esolcourses no worries :-)  #ELTChat

rliberni

2:28 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Agree - adaptation a given - no perfect coursebook can exist by definition #Eltchat

hartle

2:28 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @teflerinha @hartle @worldteacher It's not realistic to expect...  #eltchat True, but I often end up scrapping the book

theteacherjames

2:29 PM

@hartle @teflerinha @worldteacher The option to adapt should be built into the design of the book, but I don't think that happens. #eltchat

hartle

2:29 PM

but isn't knowing the right content for a class part of what makes us teachers? #ELTchat Yes, but some content must be relevant.

esolcourses

2:29 PM

RT @chiasuan Isn't the term 'coursebook' a bit of a misnomer if we're going to adapt & pick & choose? Should it be a resource pack? #eltchat

ElkySmith

2:29 PM

@Wiktor_K @hartle #eltchat A move towards this type of approach might help to change bad habits

Shaunwilden

2:29 PM

@chiasuan for once I agree with Chia :-) #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:29 PM

@kevchanwow Yes & no, there's  more to it then simply the right content e.g. ensuring progress, syllabus, course requirements etc #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:29 PM

@worldteacher I can't believe it'll be like that for long. That's one huge market right there & money leads these decisions! #eltchat

englishraven

2:30 PM

@chiasuan Yes. Resource packs/learning materials can be quite different to COURSEbooks. I make the former now, not the latter. #eltchat

t4lk2pam

2:30 PM

True! RT @Marisa_C: Agree - adaptation a given - no perfect coursebook can exist by definition #Eltchat

worldteacher

2:30 PM

@theteacherjames True!! Just had some interest from Garnet seeing as we are placing a substantial order for the new academic year #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:31 PM

@kevchanwow but then can we expect relatively new teachers to be able to do all that? #eltchat

rliberni

2:31 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Can you move to another part of the question? It's clear that most here agree on a number of issues #ELTchat Are publishers out of touch?

hartle

2:31 PM

@chiasuan #ELTchat a "resource pack" for me is smthg a tracher uses, "course directions" shd be for teachers & stds maybe in a livebinder

Marisa_C

2:31 PM

Can you move to another part of the question? It's clear that most here agree on a number of issues #ELTchat Are publishers out of touch?

kevchanwow

2:31 PM

@Shaunwilden yep, hence that important word, "part".  And all of those things need modification for each class.  #ELTchat

Wiktor_K

2:32 PM

Ultimately, learners nowadays have a lot more choice & expectation. Learning plans come first, syllabuses next - CBs don't fit in! #eltchat

chiasuan

2:32 PM

@Shaunwilden Yay! #IamsecretlyindesperateneedofShaunWilden'sapprovalcozIthinkheiscool #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:32 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Can you move to another part of the question?  #ELTchat Are publishers out of touch?

harrisonmike

2:32 PM

What's the topic #eltchat? On my lunch break =)

michaelegriffin

2:32 PM

@theteacherjames Can you give me an example of the option to change being built in? I honestly think it is always built in any CB.  #ELTchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:32 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Can you move to another part of the question? It's clear that most here agree on a number of issues #ELTchat Are publishers out of touch?

michaelegriffin

2:33 PM

Out of touch with teachers? Out of touch with theory? Out of touch with what the market dictates? Out of touch with what i want?  #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:33 PM

@harrisonmike publishers and if they are out of touch is where we are at at this mo #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:33 PM

@michaelegriffin I don't think it's explicit. "Here's a video", "here's a listening", not "find a video relevant to your sts". #ELTchat

rliberni

2:33 PM

The coursebook writers I know are constantly keeping up with research & new ideas I think it's lead times that cause this #eltchat

ElkySmith

2:33 PM

#eltchat Australian colleges want to align syll with CEFR -> requires careful analysis of learners' needs -> develop context-spec mats?

esolcourses

2:34 PM

RT @Marisa_C: The writers we all know who come to Twitter seem to be up to speed but what about the others? And their editors? #ELTchat

kevchanwow

2:34 PM

@Shaunwilden honestly, I forgot about less experienced teachers. OK, I can see the need for more targeted/localized CBs now. Thanks #ELTchat

michaelegriffin

2:34 PM

@theteacherjames Ahhh cheers, I see what you mean....(not being cheeky) I just assumed that was part of my job to pick and choose #ELTchat

teflerinha

2:34 PM

@rliberni #eltchat And, to be fair, publishers are in my experience quite conservative..it's a big investment. Look at the COBUILD series :(

hartle

2:34 PM

#eltchat I think publishers are trying to update withmsome gd websites, but they have problems with differing activity types, copyright etc

Marisa_C

2:34 PM

The writers we all know who come to Twitter seem to be up to speed but what about the others? And their editors? #ELTchat

worldteacher

2:34 PM

@michaelegriffin Have you used English Upgrade? Have heard negative feedback. #eltchat

chiasuan

2:34 PM

I strongly believe that grammar points should not be stuck in with each unit. It assumes that grammar learning is linear. #eltchat

Wiktor_K

2:35 PM

Impossible to be perfectly "up to speed" here - too many markets and course flavours. Find a niche or stay "general" & slower? #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:35 PM

@worldteacher I used it and I didn't love it. I did however like the fact it was made for Asia. (was teaching in Japan at the time) #ELTchat

ElkySmith

2:35 PM

#eltchat Is the entire concept of CBs out of date and out of touch?

yearinthelifeof

2:35 PM

@chiasuan How would you approach grammar teaching, in that case? #ELTChat

Marisa_C

2:35 PM

I have heard some real horror stories about editors - :-) #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:35 PM

@michaelegriffin I agree, but I don't think they are designed with that in mind. That's a problem, I think. #ELTchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:35 PM

[Enables defensive mode] Constant contact w/ Ts, focus groups, rigorous testing, new authors, new titles, new tech, new approaches #ELTchat

harrisonmike

2:35 PM

Out of touch. Perhaps. But maybe getting better. Though not all. Bigger pub houses slower to move. #eltchat

teflerinha

2:36 PM

RT @rliberni: Lets face it we here are not the mainstream & pubs need to sell books the market will dictate to a large extent #eltchat

hartle

2:36 PM

#eltchat difficult qus, as we cd ask 'are teachers up to date?" publishers provide whtbthe majority wants...

chiasuan

2:36 PM

I'd like2see more holistic lexico-grammar coverage. None of this:Here r the 5 uses of the present perfect types of confusing lists. #eltchat

worldteacher

2:36 PM

@michaelegriffin Good to know - thanks! #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:36 PM

@harrisonmike do DELTA publish coursebook materials?  #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:36 PM

@kevchanwow I think that's a common thing - we experienced ones forget whats it like when we started :-) #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:36 PM

@theteacherjames Good point..I think that perspective would make for a big shift in the final products.  #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:36 PM

RT @rliberni: Lets face it we here are not the mainstream & pubs need to sell books the market will dictate to a large extent #eltchat

teflerinha

2:36 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal:Constant contact w/ Ts, focus gps, rigorous testing, new authors,  titles,  tech, new approaches #ELTchat My experience 2

rliberni

2:36 PM

Lets face it we here are not the mainstream & pubs need to sell books the market will dictate to a large extent #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:36 PM

DELTA Publishing good example of publisher that is up with teachers' needs and wants out of resource and methodology books #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:37 PM

@Marisa_C Not as far as I know. Although they address coursebook market - see Mario Rinvolucri 'Humanising your coursebook' #eltchat

ElkySmith

2:37 PM

@hartle I think there's a T training potential for CBs and TBs that may be missed often. #eltchat

rliberni

2:37 PM

RT @englishraven: My biggest concern about publishers is that they tend to talk to/base decisions on 'the choir'. #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:37 PM

@michaelegriffin Definitely, and not difficult to do I think. #ELTchat

englishraven

2:37 PM

My biggest concern about publishers is that they tend to talk to/base decisions on 'the choir'. #eltchat

rliberni

2:37 PM

RT @hartle: #eltchat difficult qus, as we cd ask 'are teachers up to date?" publishers provide whtbthe majority wants... gr8 point!

degrass_online

2:37 PM

RT @hartle (Sharon Hartle)#eltchat difficult qus, as we cd ask 'are teachers up to date?" publishers provide whtbthe majority wa...  #tfb

michaelegriffin

2:37 PM

RT @rliberni: Lets face it we here are not the mainstream & pubs need 2 sell books the market will dictate to a large extent >right #ELTchat

rliberni

2:38 PM

RT @Marisa_C: @englishraven  #eltchat that reminds me of a hopefully old school of publishers who referred to Ts as the 'punters"

Shaunwilden

2:38 PM

@BobK99 @Marisa_C I missed strike 1 #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:38 PM

@worldteacher My pleasure. I'd recommend checking it out. (Also glad you saw the tweet becuase it was in response to your comment) #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:38 PM

@englishraven  #eltchat that reminds me of a hopefully old school of publishers who referred to Ts as the 'punters"

BobK99

2:38 PM

RT @BobK99: @Marisa_C  Lead times mean books necessarily 'out of touch'  - still useful though.  #ELTchat Strike 2 :-)

chiasuan

2:38 PM

@yearinthelifeof Grammar points can b in a diff section at the back of the book. As it emerges, teacher can use the relevant parts. #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:38 PM

@englishraven The 'choir'? #ELTchat

michaelegriffin

2:39 PM

My thought is that CBs are only out of touch if we think of them as THe curriculum  or THE course  #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:39 PM

@OUPELTGlobal  #ELTchat I ain't telling .....

OUPELTGlobal

2:39 PM

@Marisa_C Not from us, I hope ;) #ELTchat

teflerinha

2:39 PM

@harrisonmike @chiasuan Isn't it always pretty useless?! #eltchat

dincherdemir

2:39 PM

RT @IsilBoy: Motivate Online Learners With 4 Easy Strategies http://t.co/CcmenCL0 #eltchat #edtech

hartle

2:39 PM

#eltchat sorry everyone, have to go and check in (in Gatwick Airport). Great discussion. Catch U all tonight :-)

BobK99

2:39 PM

@Shaunwilden  #eltchat It snuck under the radar - no chars left to fess up!

Marisa_C

2:39 PM

So if 'the punters' are not trained, better produce books for the great unwashed #ELTchat - harsh? I've heard this!!!!!

harrisonmike

2:39 PM

@chiasuan I'd like this. Esp it would be much more useful in ESOL where decontextualised grammar/vocab practice is really useless #eltchat

Wiktor_K

2:40 PM

Folks, off to deal with my students and teachers now - see you again tonight! #eltchat

chiasuan

2:40 PM

@harrisonmike Problem is,if grammr is in a section at the bk of a book,the practice exercises won't be able2use a topic as context. #eltchat

rliberni

2:40 PM

@michaelegriffin  Yes, is it actually OUR perception turns it on it's head a bit #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:40 PM

@michaelegriffin @worldteacher From my exp, Oxford makes county-specific 'English File' books. Saw an elem one for Spanish market. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:40 PM

@michaelegriffin And yet that is just how many schools use them #eltchat

pickuplines2000

2:40 PM

RT @hartle (Sharon Hartle)#eltchat difficult qus, as we cd ask 'are teachers up to date?" publishers provide whtbthe majority wa...  #tfb

teflerinha

2:40 PM

RT @michaelegriffin: My thought is that CBs are only out of touch if we think of them as THe curriculum  or THE course  #ELTchat Yes, agree.

englishraven

2:40 PM

RT @michaelegriffin: My thought is that CBs are only out of touch if we think of them as THe curriculum  or THE course  #ELTchat

rliberni

2:40 PM

RT @michaelegriffin: My thought is that CBs are only out of touch if we think of them as THe curriculum  or THE course  #ELTchat gr8 pt!

Shaunwilden

2:40 PM

RT @michaelegriffin: My thought is that CBs are only out of touch if we think of them as THe curriculum  or THE course  #ELTchat

harrisonmike

2:41 PM

@michaelegriffin Shame that in many contexts the books go hand in hand with the course. 'Welcome to X school, here is your Headway' #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:41 PM

RT @michaelegriffin: My thought is that CBs are only out of touch if we think of them as THe curriculum  or THE course  #ELTchat

t4lk2pam

2:41 PM

#eltchat hi everyone! I guess publishers & CBs cannot compete with the continuous updated info of the web,takes a long time to publish a CB

rliberni

2:41 PM

RT @englishraven: @OUPELTGlobal You're on #eltchat in a regular and participatory way - unlike most of your competitors. It bodes well! :-)

worldteacher

2:41 PM

@harrisonmike Yes, used them in Italy - don't think they're available for Asia, though! #eltchat

englishraven

2:41 PM

@OUPELTGlobal You're on #eltchat in a regular and participatory way - unlike most of your competitors. It bodes well! :-)

rliberni

2:41 PM

RT @kevchanwow: I've only had good experiences with publishers. They want to me to keep buying their books after all. #ELTchat

ElkySmith

2:41 PM

@michaelegriffin Agree - and that is largely the problem with CBs, how they are used. #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:41 PM

I've only had good experiences with publishers. They want to me to keep buying their books after all. #ELTchat

englishraven

2:42 PM

@harrisonmike You're right. I almost opened my own school in Korea called 'Boost!' And it would have worked, too! #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:42 PM

@teflerinha @chiasuan *especially* useless =) #eltchat

rliberni

2:42 PM

@harrisonmike  agreed the book IS the syllabus esp for exam classes #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:42 PM

@michaelegriffin @Shaunwilden Trouble is, many schools have no choice. In some countries, they ARE the ministry-approved syllabus #ELTchat

michaelegriffin

2:42 PM

@harrisonmike *shudders.

MrChrisJWilson

2:42 PM

@michaelegriffin I guess the name COURSEbook helps to create that paradigm #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:42 PM

@Shaunwilden Agreed... I am not a huge coursebook fan but think the biggest problem is when T's feel compelled to use like that  #ELTchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:43 PM

@englishraven Let's hope so :) #ELTchat

teflerinha

2:43 PM

RT @MrChrisJWilson: @michaelegriffin guess th name COURSEbook helps to create tht paradigm #eltchat Yes, but pubs generally use Students' Bk

theteacherjames

2:43 PM

@chiasuan @harrisonmike Suppose suggestions for this problem could be included in the teacher's book? #eltchat

ElkySmith

2:43 PM

@harrisonmike @michaelegriffin It's v. important for DoSes to be explicit to Ts about how they expect CBs to be used #eltchat

rliberni

2:44 PM

@OUPELTGlobal  in many schools too & it makes sure that everyone delivers the syllabus - can't blame them #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:44 PM

@OUPELTGlobal @michaelegriffin fair point, I was thinking of schools I visit that dont realise that syllabus&cbk are not the same #eltchat

pennyhands

2:44 PM

Sorry to just come in now! As an editor, all v interesting #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:44 PM

There is a vicious cycle in schools which (with due respect to publishers present) pubs can take advbantage of #ELTchat

teflerinha

2:44 PM

RT @ElkySmith: @harrisonmike @michaelegriffin It's v. important for DoSes to be explicit to Ts about how they expect CBs to be used #eltchat

englishraven

2:44 PM

@OUPELTGlobal That's where I think publishers can be a major force for good - if they really try to be (ministry-approved, etc.) #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:44 PM

@chiasuan Grammar and lexis and skills are best integrated in a particular way of teaching, and it's not book-based ;-) #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:45 PM

@michaelegriffin @Shaunwilden @chiasuan @englishraven Interesting point. Use the influence with ministries to direct the content #ELTchat

chiasuan

2:45 PM

@michaelegriffin @OUPELTGlobal @Shaunwilden It all starts high up.Esp in systems where sts r just studyin2pass exams & not 2 speak. #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:45 PM

@ElkySmith @michaelegriffin Good point #eltchat

BobK99

2:45 PM

RT @rliberni: @harrisonmike  agreed the book IS the syllabus esp for exam classes #eltchat >Couldn't STAND teaching from such a book! ;-

rliberni

2:45 PM

RT @Marisa_C: There is a vicious cycle in schools which (with due respect to publishers present) pubs can take advbantage of #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:45 PM

@englishraven  #eltchat Agree fully - but even pubs ran out of charity trusts think megabacuks - their moral culture must change

harrisonmike

2:45 PM

@englishraven I'd work at that school! We could always ditch the book if we wanted, right?? ;-) #eltchat

worldteacher

2:45 PM

RT @Marisa_C: There is a vicious cycle in schools which (with due respect to publishers present) pubs can take advbantage of #ELTchat>Agreed

educlick

2:46 PM

RT @cybraryman1: #eltchat NOW "Do ELT publishers have too much influence and are they out of touch with reality? Do they lag behind the times #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:46 PM

In fact teachers can INSIST or create a movement through social media blogs twitter that they need to change #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:46 PM

@esolcourses @englishraven Wouldn't miss it for the world :) #ELTchat

harrisonmike

2:46 PM

@ElkySmith @michaelegriffin Also, what about how sts expect them to be used? #eltchat

rliberni

2:46 PM

@Marisa_C  this also makes commercial sense and this is about business primarily #eltchat

esolcourses

2:46 PM

@OUPELTGlobal @englishraven agree with Jason that it bodes well.  Good to see you taking part in this :-) #ELTChat

harrisonmike

2:47 PM

Shudder at the resources, monetary & physical, that schools splash out on 4students. Book per st, new book if they go up 2 nxt lvl #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:47 PM

So far we've talked about coursebooks. What about resource books, webinars, talks, graded readers, online content, T resources etc? #eltchat

rliberni

2:47 PM

@Marisa_C  we can vote with our feet if we don't buy then they will change but it's a BIG task #eltchat

englishraven

2:47 PM

@Marisa_C Yes, I want to see publishers use their influence to encourage and facilitate change - that IS market-driving/driven! #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:47 PM

RT @Marisa_C: In fact teachers can INSIST or create a movement through social media blogs twitter that they need to change >love it #ELTchat

ElkySmith

2:47 PM

@harrisonmike @michaelegriffin #eltchat Yes, also important: DoS -> Ts -> Ss and marketing -> agents -> Ss

OUPELTGlobal

2:48 PM

@chiasuan @michaelegriffin @Shaunwilden @englishraven It can't hurt! #ELTchat

rliberni

2:48 PM

RT @englishraven: @harrisonmike Oh, absolutely. In my school 'Boost!' would be the objective/philosophy, not a coursebook. #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:48 PM

#eltchat devils advocate moment, students books do cover the 'skills' needed for each level. That makes them courses..right

englishraven

2:48 PM

@harrisonmike Oh, absolutely. In my school 'Boost!' would be the objective/philosophy, not a coursebook. #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:48 PM

@englishraven @Marisa_C That sort of change IS big, but ultimately for the good of the learners AND teachers #ELTchat

pennyhands

2:48 PM

@harrisonmike @chiasuan I think a bk wld be helpful for teachers, showing how to integrate grammar and lexis focus in a lesson #eltchat

chiasuan

2:48 PM

@OUPELTGlobal @michaelegriffin @Shaunwilden @englishraven Will ministries (&publishrs) b convincd by hard evidnce frm SLA research? #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:49 PM

#eltchat I believe that was a 'flame comment' or some internet term like that ;-)

t4lk2pam

2:49 PM

RT @harrisonmike: @ElkySmith @michaelegriffin Also, what about how sts expect them to be used? #eltchat

rliberni

2:49 PM

RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat devils advocate moment, students books do cover the 'skills' needed for each level. That makes them courses..right

michaelegriffin

2:49 PM

RT @harrisonmike @ElkySmith Also, what about how SS expect them 2 b used? > very good point but teachers have 2 make some decisions #ELTchat

ElkySmith

2:50 PM

@t4lk2pam @harrisonmike @michaelegriffin #eltchat The assumption is that Ss have paid for them so they have to be used - but how much?

educlick

2:50 PM

#ELTchat Publishers are not taking all the possibilities of digital publishing, not even by far, they want to do it slowly to get max benefs

englishraven

2:50 PM

There is a massive gap between what many writers/editors know/believe and what they produce. There is a moral gap there. #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:50 PM

@pennyhands @chiasuan My book-based teaching was a lot worse at integrating grammar/lexis focus than without. But maybe thats exp? #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:50 PM

RT @chiasuan  Will ministries (&publishrs) b convincd by hard evidnce frm SLA research? >IMO Short term no-long term yes($ talks)   #ELTchat

chiasuan

2:50 PM

@pennyhands @harrisonmike Sure, a book can help,but teacher trainin has got 2 b addressed.Train teachers to not just 'turn & burn'. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:51 PM

RT @kevchanwow: Sorry, can't get on the bash the publishers bandwagon. Teaching starts with the teacher knowing what&how to teach. #ELTchat

michaelegriffin

2:51 PM

@chiasuan meaning if the "punters" (parents?kids?)aren't happy then changes will have 2 come or people will simply find other ways  #ELTchat

teflerinha

2:51 PM

@harrisonmike @pennyhands @chiasuan Personally, I do think that CBs can help novice teachers..helped me! #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:51 PM

Sorry, can't get on the bash the publishers bandwagon. Teaching starts with the teacher knowing what and how to teach. #ELTchat

chiasuan

2:51 PM

@michaelegriffin It feels like such a sell-out:creating syllabuses that goes against research findings of how lang are learnt! #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:51 PM

@educlick I disagree. I think we want to do it RIGHT #ELTchat

englishraven

2:52 PM

@kevchanwow Lets not mistake critical review/discussion automatically with publisher-bashing bandwagons, shall we? #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:52 PM

RT @chiasuan: @teflerinha @harrisonmike @pennyhands I'm not against books per se, but how they are used is my issue. #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:52 PM

@englishraven It's often overly dictated by what the 'norm' is. Restrictive processes, 'set in our ways' attitude. Hard to overcome #ELTchat

ElkySmith

2:52 PM

@teflerinha Me too but I wonder now whether it would have helped me more to develop ability earlier to do without them. #eltchat

chiasuan

2:52 PM

@teflerinha @harrisonmike @pennyhands I'm not against books per se, but how they are used is my issue. #eltchat

esolcourses

2:53 PM

RT @Marisa_C: I think though that publishers cannot be blamed for the huge numbers of untrained blind CB following Ts #eltchat ] agree

teflerinha

2:53 PM

@Shaunwilden @ElkySmith I used to spend all weekend preparing as it was! #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:53 PM

@kevchanwow love ur thinking mine is something like of course (pun) a coursebook is not gonna b 4 everyone so we can't expect it. #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:53 PM

I think though that publishers cannot be blamed for the huge numbers of untrained blind CB following Ts - Ts and leaders are #eltchat

pennyhands

2:53 PM

@chiasuan @teflerinha @harrisonmike Sure, I was thinking of a teacher's resource book #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:53 PM

@ElkySmith @teflerinha Would you have coped on a full timetable of classes without one? #eltchat

chiasuan

2:53 PM

@michaelegriffin But 'punters' also need re-education becoz a lot of them are just looking 4 what they r familiar with. #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:54 PM

@chiasuan Right on! #eltchat Not sure where it starts but here in Korea I know parents aren't happy with Ss' learning and improvement

harrisonmike

2:54 PM

@chiasuan @teflerinha @pennyhands All I know is that I struggled using cbks in my first year in ESOL. Found it utterly uninspiring. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:54 PM

@teflerinha @ElkySmith yes me too still do n fact cos have too many sources to look at these days :-) #eltchat

englishraven

2:54 PM

@OUPELTGlobal Yes, 'compromise' is one of the most commonly used words in ELT publishing. compromise can become compromiseD... :-) #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:54 PM

Teachers & leaders should be (i meant) #ELTchat - but my modality fell apart :-)

chiasuan

2:54 PM

@harrisonmike @pennyhands I've heard of teachers who spend 3 mins of the tasks in Cutting Edge by 2hrs on the lexical/grammar prep. #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:55 PM

@harrisonmike @chiasuan @teflerinha @pennyhands Me too, and look where that led us! Should we be grateful? ;-) #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:55 PM

Publishers have a hard job, need and want to make good material...need to make money and sell them. Sometimes the same. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:55 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: @englishraven True. It's a balance between what can be done in the time and ensuring the quality of materials #ELTchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:55 PM

@englishraven True. It's a balance between what can be done in the time and ensuring the quality of materials #ELTchat

harrisonmike

2:56 PM

@theteacherjames @chiasuan @teflerinha @pennyhands Yep. I am. Taken a while but I'm happy with my practice now =) #eltchat

mskhogg

2:56 PM

#eltchat have to agree with @chiasuan re how books are used. Linear doesn't work. Even books try to recycle but ineffective.

chiasuan

2:56 PM

@michaelegriffin I think at the end of the day,if 'punters' see real progress in their English,then they'll b convinced regardless. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:56 PM

Ok 5 minutes left any more wise words #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:56 PM

@t4lk2pam Also, what about how sts expect them to be used? #eltchat > Again, gr8 point. This is where Im quite happy to put on my expert hat

educlick

2:56 PM

@OUPELTGlobal #eltchat Sorry, i'm pretty sure YOU do care, but most of publishers don't, its a reality!! Like Apple and biggest ones...

ElkySmith

2:56 PM

@Shaunwilden @teflerinha It's a massive challenge regardless I think. #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:57 PM

RT @MeghanBeler: @teflerinha @harrisonmike @pennyhands @chiasuan I agree and in many ways CBs are designed to help novice teachers. #ELTchat

theteacherjames

2:57 PM

Despite my reservations regarding coursebooks, I have to say that Resource Books for Teachers are fantastic. #creditwhereitsdue #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:57 PM

@educlick Ah I see! Well, kind of you to say. You're right though, bigger money-making pubs are definitely out for the quick buck! #ELTchat

MeghanBeler

2:57 PM

@teflerinha @harrisonmike @pennyhands @chiasuan I agree and in many ways CBs are designed to help novice teachers. #eltchat

educlick

2:57 PM

@OUPELTGlobal #eltchat Apple used the "ibook2" to fake its competitors hiding features they use afterwards, for example.  Not nice!!

rliberni

2:58 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: Yep! RT @MrWriteCzech: #eltchat Don't expect CBs to disappear in the near future. Publishers are very concerned about digital piracy.

englishraven

2:58 PM

RT @theteacherjames: I have to say that Resource Books for Teachers are fantastic. >Agree. They're ohso unprofitable for pubs, tho. #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:58 PM

Extensive reading and graded readers are at least one point where research and publishing seem to be working towards the same ends. #ELTchat

rliberni

2:58 PM

@theteacherjames  not strictly coursebooks I guess #eltchat I like them too

worldteacher

2:58 PM

RT @theteacherjames: Despite my reservations regarding coursebooks, I have to say that Resource Books for Ts are fantastic. #eltchat >Agreed

OUPELTGlobal

2:58 PM

Yep! RT @MrWriteCzech: #eltchat Don't expect CBs to disappear in the near future. Publishers are very concerned about digital piracy.

mskhogg

2:58 PM

#eltchat I think students expect the model they've been shown over and over. Doesn't mean it works best.

teflerinha

2:58 PM

@MeghanBeler @harrisonmike @pennyhands @chiasuan Yes, which is why too many diff options for exploiting mats not given I think. #eltchat

chiasuan

2:58 PM

@MeghanBeler @teflerinha @harrisonmike @pennyhands Are course books only for helping novice teachrs? Do publishers see it that way? #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:58 PM

Just wanted to go back to the fact that CBs aren't the only kind of texts.  I'm thankful every day for my graded reader library.  #ELTchat

MrWriteCzech

2:58 PM

#eltchat Don't expect CBs to disappear in the near future. Publishers are very concerned about digital piracy.

englishraven

2:59 PM

@theteacherjames I think the resource books, supplements, workshops, conferences etc. help pubs to hold onto moral compass :-) #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:59 PM

@chiasuan agree 100% and think it starts with the T being confident about choices (or at least thinking it through and making them) #ELTchat

ElkySmith

2:59 PM

#eltchat CBs themselves are not the problem - it's how they are used. DoSes need to be clear about use and comm that to Ts and then to Ss

teflerinha

2:59 PM

@chiasuan @MeghanBeler @harrisonmike @pennyhands Not only, but, yes, try not 2 assume t well trained and has excellent lang skills #eltchat

BobK99

2:59 PM

@educlick  #ELTchat [Re pubr's slow to exploit new opp'ties]Tough on them! - Just leaves the markt open fr strt-ups & 1-persn-bands #ELTchat

harrisonmike

2:59 PM

@chiasuan @MeghanBeler @teflerinha @pennyhands Well theyre not for helping novice sts - way 2 much going on on a double page spread #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:59 PM

@rliberni Not at all, but this chat is about the publishers not coursebooks! #eltchat

chiasuan

2:59 PM

@mskhogg Thank you! The teacher is a human bein who can adapt & tailor the lesson to suit the students. Books shld only supplement. #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

3:00 PM

@englishraven @theteacherjames Is that such a bad thing? :) #ELTchat

rliberni

3:00 PM

@theteacherjames  you're right (got carried away with the CB bashing) I think the non cbs have more value #eltchat

theteacherjames

3:00 PM

@englishraven The world is upside down, as usual. #eltchat

chiasuan

3:00 PM

@michaelegriffin And that comes from teacher training, doesn't it? Giving trainees opportunities to make choices, make mistakes... #eltchat

englishraven

3:01 PM

@OUPELTGlobal No, not at all. I think it is good/important. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

3:01 PM

Ok time for a volunteer for the summary....#eltchat

englishraven

3:01 PM

@theteacherjames I always tell colleagues to buy resource books and not try to get them as freebies. Ts have to support them! #eltchat

Jmahaffey4

3:01 PM

RT @CliveSir: A Must Read: #iTDi, working with difficult students http://t.co/XVxJvChG #edchat #eltchat #elemchat #pypchat #ukedchat #ozteachers

theteacherjames

3:01 PM

@englishraven I suppose there could be an element of that. Better take advantage of it, I guess! #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

3:02 PM

@englishraven All I can say is we're trying to do more of that - free webinars, local seminars, free resources, more T resource bks #ELTchat

englishraven

3:02 PM

@theteacherjames It's such an intrinsic part of our 'industry' - like clothing. Can we ever discuss/debate it enough? #eltchat

michaelegriffin

3:02 PM

@theteacherjames valiant effort.  #ELTchat

theteacherjames

3:02 PM

@englishraven Shame they're so damn expensive (but I understand why). #eltchat

rliberni

3:02 PM

@theteacherjames  we're a bunch of moaning minnies at heart! #eltchat

chiasuan

3:02 PM

I saw a coursebk explainin the present perfect:'The present perfect is usd when one has done somethin'! &we learn frm these things? #eltchat

theteacherjames

3:02 PM

@rliberni My attempt to steer the conversation away from CB's for a bit failed miserably. T's love criticising CB's! #eltchat

englishraven

3:03 PM

RT @ElkySmith: @OUPELTGlobal And doing it well :-) #eltchat >Agree.

theteacherjames

3:03 PM

@rliberni We're not that bad! But the CB is a special subject for us lot. #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

3:03 PM

@ElkySmith Well thank you :D #ELTchat

worldteacher

3:03 PM

Thanks to the mods @Marisa_C , @Shaunwilden @rliberni for a great #eltchat

BobK99

3:03 PM

@theteacherjames It was too much - only 10 mins left at your first attempt! ;-) #eltchat

ElkySmith

3:03 PM

@OUPELTGlobal And doing it well :-) #eltchat

educlick

3:03 PM

UNETE: Hablando de la publicaciΓ³n digital en #ELTchat ahora mismo // talking about digital publishing at #ELTchat right now JOIN US!

theteacherjames

3:03 PM

@michaelegriffin Thanks! #winsomelosesome #ELTchat

OUPELTGlobal

3:04 PM

Well, thanks for an invigorating #ELTchat everyone. I hope we held our own :) Til next time...

BobK99

3:04 PM

RT @worldteacher: Thanks to the mods @Marisa_C , @Shaunwilden @rliberni for a great #eltchat . Ditto - bye!

worldteacher

3:04 PM

My #eltchat topic tonight, but won't be able to stay up to 3am - sorry!! Gutted! will look forward to the summary!

theteacherjames

3:04 PM

@BobK99 I wouldn't have stood a chance earlier! Bashing coursebooks is a favourite subject. #eltchat

mskhogg

3:04 PM

#eltchat it's a bit of a catch22 to get out of the cycle, but wouldn't occam say the solution is simpler than a ton of materials?

kevchanwow

3:05 PM

Fascinating #ELTchat.  Thanks mods @Marisa_C  @Shaunwilden @rliberni  ...but still wondering how I ended up defending publishers...#ELTchat

mskhogg

3:05 PM

#eltchat thanks everyone!bglad Ifinally  caught it live!

Shaunwilden

3:05 PM

@worldteacher Is there anything in particular you want to be raised? #eltchat

teflerinha

3:05 PM

#eltchat Thnk there is assumption here tht all teachers really know what they're doing. I have obs plenty who are lost in sea of worksheets.

theteacherjames

3:05 PM

@englishraven I don't think the limit will ever be reached! #eltchat

ElkySmith

3:06 PM

#eltchat The question was about power…I think publishers probably have too much but only as much as we give them.

OUPELTGlobal

3:06 PM

@englishraven Thank you kindly, Jason! #ELTchat

OUPELTGlobal

3:06 PM

RT @englishraven: Just want to call out @OUPELTGlobal - what an excellent and open-minded participant in #eltchat! Put your competitors to shame... :-)

englishraven

3:06 PM

Just want to call out @OUPELTGlobal - what an excellent and open-minded participant in #eltchat! Put your competitors to shame... :-)

MeghanBeler

3:06 PM

@teflerinha #eltchat really good point, now if we could just get them to pick up that TB!

michaelegriffin

3:07 PM

What a fun/interesting chat. Thanks to all and especially mods @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @rliberni #ELTchat

ELT_T2W

3:07 PM

#ELTchat Just missed it. Drat! Looking forward to the summary.

Marisa_C

3:07 PM

@kevchanwow  #ELTchat #ELTchat lol I don't know either!  I think we we re quite soft on them publishers!!! :-D

MeghanBeler

3:07 PM

RT @englishraven: Just want to call out @OUPELTGlobal - what an excellent and open-minded participant in #eltchat! Put your competitors to shame... :-)

michaelegriffin

3:07 PM

@mskhogg Nice to see you.  #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

3:08 PM

tonight's #eltchat is How to analyse & re-stage activities to make them more learner centred.

esolcourses

3:08 PM

Thanks for another great #ELTchat , and to  mods @Marisa_C  @Shaunwilden @rliberni ! gtg - catch you later :-)

rliberni

3:08 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: Volunteer!!!!!!!!!!! #eltchat

Marisa_C

3:08 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: Volunteer!!!!!!!!!!! #eltchat

teflerinha

3:08 PM

@MeghanBeler These are ts working without a CB- just (randomly)printing worksheets off the internet #eltchat

Shaunwilden

3:08 PM

Volunteer!!!!!!!!!!! #eltchat

Marisa_C

3:09 PM

RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: Volunteer!!!!!!!!!!! #eltchat I'm getting the transcript - who shall I send it to???????

michaelegriffin

3:09 PM

RTMarisa_C @Shaunwilden: Volunteer!!!!!!!!!!! > Does this mean you got one or you need one?  I could do it in 8 days or so.  #ELTchat

chiasuan

3:10 PM

Here're the findings to the student questionnaires for the #Dogme vs Coursebk Teach-Off. http://t.co/j9SaZ07S #eltchat

educlick

3:10 PM

RT @hartle: RT @englishraven: Coursebook or no coursebook - what do learners prefer? http://t.co/7zco5dTr  #eltchat

Marisa_C

3:10 PM

@michaelegriffin  #ELTchat haven't got one yet - 8 days? oh well, we've had to wait even longer for some!!!

phil3wade

3:11 PM

RT @chiasuan: Here're the findings to the student questionnaires for the #Dogme vs Coursebk Teach-Off. http://t.co/j9SaZ07S #eltchat

Shaunwilden

3:11 PM

@michaelegriffin Yay a  volunteer  :-) Thanks #eltchat

educlick

3:12 PM

RT @chiasuan: Here're the findings to the student questionnaires for the #Dogme vs Coursebk Teach-Off. http://t.co/j9SaZ07S #eltchat

theteacherjames

3:12 PM

Thnx to the mods @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @rliberni for a great #eltchat & to @OUPELTGlobal for representing the ELT publishing industry!

Marisa_C

3:12 PM

Can we please announce that next week we won't be able to run #ELTchat 'cos we're going to the #ELTons thing!  to be livestreamed we hear

EvaMaierova

3:13 PM

#ELTchat Ts+Ss need CBs (@ least @ our uni) but they become obsolete very quickly, esp. bizenglish

theteacherjames

3:14 PM

New #eltchat Podcast Uncut. @vickyloras speaks to @yitzha_sarwono: http://t.co/lcWQMs9U

chiasuan

3:14 PM

RT @theteacherjames: Thnx to the mods @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @rliberni for a great #eltchat & to @OUPELTGlobal for representing the ELT publishing industry!

michaelegriffin

3:15 PM

@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden I can do it this time next week but of course if someone else wants to do it b4 that that is fine with me #ELTchat

theteacherjames

3:15 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Can we please announce that next week we won't be able to run #ELTchat 'cos we're going to the #ELTons thing!  to be livestreamed we hear

Marisa_C

3:15 PM

Thank you all who joined us for this #ELTchat ! We learn a lot from each and every one of you every week - so it's worth the hard work! :-D

esolcourses

3:16 PM

RT @Sharonzspace: Contribute To The Next ESL/EFL/ELL Blog Carnival!  http://t.co/ZYEQo6Lo #ELTCHAT #EAPCHAT #EDCHAT

chiasuan

3:16 PM

@Marisa_C @ShellTerrell @Shaunwilden Congrats once again for the ELTon nomination! I will miss #eltchat next week!

statweestics

3:17 PM

#eltchat is getting popular, +800% the last hour : http://t.co/7YCTbQba

englishraven

3:17 PM

RT @Larryferlazzo: RT @esolcourses: RT @Sharonzspace: Contribute To The Next ESL/EFL/ELL Blog Carnival!  http://t.co/pzm7we9H #ELTCHAT #EAPCHAT #EDCHAT

Marisa_C

3:17 PM

@chiasuan  #eltchat can you come to the pub after?

englishraven

3:17 PM

@educlick Thank you too Rafa. #eltchat

Larryferlazzo

3:17 PM

RT @esolcourses: RT @Sharonzspace: Contribute To The Next ESL/EFL/ELL Blog Carnival!  http://t.co/pzm7we9H #ELTCHAT #EAPCHAT #EDCHAT

Shaunwilden

3:17 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Can we please announce that next week we won't be able to run #ELTchat 'cos we're going to the #ELTons thing!

ElkySmith

3:18 PM

RT @theteacherjames: Thnx to the mods @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @rliberni for a great #eltchat & to @OUPELTGlobal for representing the ELT publishing industry!

ElkySmith

3:19 PM

RT @chiasuan: Here're the findings to the student questionnaires for the #Dogme vs Coursebk Teach-Off. http://t.co/j9SaZ07S #eltchat

ELTchat

3:20 PM

Sorry I won't be around for an #ELTchat next week  #ELTchat I will be at the #ELTons ceremory with my moderators! :-D

rliberni

3:20 PM

RT @statweestics: #eltchat is getting popular, +800% the last hour : http://t.co/7YCTbQba

rliberni

3:21 PM

RT @englishraven: New/more stuff now available on my English Oz page! http://t.co/jfiMsFvr #esl #eltchat

englishraven

3:21 PM

New/more stuff now available on my English Oz page! http://t.co/jfiMsFvr #esl #eltchat

englishraven

3:22 PM

RT @aClilToClimb: What makes a lesson great Pt 4 by @AnthonyGaughan http://t.co/Ne6e05gK #eltchat #edchat > Fab, as usual :)

aClilToClimb

3:22 PM

What makes a lesson great Pt 4 by @AnthonyGaughan http://t.co/Ne6e05gK #eltchat #edchat > Fab, as usual :)

worldteacher

3:22 PM

RT @englishraven: Just want to call out @OUPELTGlobal - what an excellent and open-minded participant in #eltchat! Put your competitors to shame... :-)

rliberni

3:22 PM

RT @ELTchat: Sorry I won't be around for an #ELTchat next week  #ELTchat I will be at the #ELTons ceremory with my moderators! :-D

 

 

 

 

time

status

Shaunwilden

2:00 PM

Shall we get started?  #ELTchat

cybraryman1

2:00 PM

#eltchat NOW "Do ELT publishers have too much influence and are they out of touch with reality? Do they lag behind the times #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:00 PM

@OUPELTGlobal Great! Thanks - some authors would be good too  #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:00 PM

Any published ELT authors joining #ELTchat today please? They might have more information than the rest of us

Marisa_C

2:01 PM

@Pearson_ELT @PearsonELTUSA @wetheround @MacmillanELT Join #eltchat today it's about: you all :-)

esolcourses

2:01 PM

@Shaunwilden @cioccas  - true. Though only have a fairly limited perspective on them #ELTChat

royparmesan

2:01 PM

Too much influence re whom? Publishers whatever they do - time disconnect w practice will get bigger #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:01 PM

Today's #ELTchat should be interesting ;)

Shaunwilden

2:02 PM

@OUPELTGlobal  Would you like to get the ball rolling? ;-)  #ELTchat

rliberni

2:03 PM

This is a big question I think yes, probably not and prob not tho lead times for launch might affect this #eltchat (oops in edchat mode)

OUPELTGlobal

2:03 PM

@Shaunwilden Well... why don't we hear what people think and we'll see if we can allay some of their suspicions :) #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:03 PM

@Shaunwilden  #ELTchat Who asked this question Shaun? Can't find them

Marisa_C

2:04 PM

And small publishers for that matter - they carry the same influence within the school context #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:04 PM

RT @Marisa_C I believe big publishers do have a lot of influence, especially in contexts where the CB is the syllabus is the method #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:04 PM

I believe big publishers do have a lot of influence, especially in contexts where the CB is the syllabus is the method #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:04 PM

@Marisa_C It's a third place topic from previous  #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:05 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @Shaunwilden @esolcourses @cioccas And publishers don't only publish coursebooks. #ELTchat Good point

theteacherjames

2:05 PM

@OUPELTGlobal Good to see you here! #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:05 PM

@ElkySmith @Marisa_C @trylingual No it was ty last week  #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:05 PM

Does anyone disagree about the influence factor? #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:05 PM

@Shaunwilden @esolcourses @cioccas And publishers don't only publish coursebooks. #ELTchat

elawassell

2:05 PM

RT @Marisa_C: I believe big publishers do have a lot of influence,especially in contexts where the CB is the syllabus is the method #ELTchat

rliberni

2:06 PM

@OUPELTGlobal  I think that is the biggest drawback things move fast pubs can't #eltchat

esolcourses

2:06 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: RT @theteacherjames: @Shaunwilden @esolcourses @cioccas And publishers don't only publish coursebooks. #ELTchat Good point

Marisa_C

2:06 PM

@OUPELTGlobal I think it's two or 3 yrs to get a project off ground or am I wrong? #eltchat

Wiktor_K

2:06 PM

Hi there - busy lurker here today, just going to watch most of the time #eltchat

esolcourses

2:06 PM

RT @rliberni: I think much of ELT is decided by CBs but that they also help teachers a lot, especially new teachers #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:06 PM

@Marisa_C One of the biggest problems is that CBs take time to put together, esp. to our standard of quality - can become outdated #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:06 PM

@Marisa_C  agree - also think there's no escaping the fact that publishers are in business to make money, & focus is on what sells #ELTchat

rliberni

2:06 PM

I think much of ELT is decided by CBs but that they also help teachers a lot, especially new teachers #eltchat

timjulian60

2:06 PM

Hi folks! I've been teaching for 30 yrs and the improvement in cbs has been massive imo #eltchat

esolcourses

2:07 PM

RT @rliberni: @OUPELTGlobal  I think that is the biggest drawback things move fast pubs can't #eltchat ] agree - & web has speeded things up

Shaunwilden

2:07 PM

@rliberni @OUPELTGlobal Yes and these days it is even faster given all the social networking  #ELTchat

BobK99

2:07 PM

RT @Marisa_C: And small publishers for that matter ... #ELTchat > Quite. What's a 'publisher'  today?

ElkySmith

2:07 PM

#eltchat Publishers have big influence on new teachers through the coursebooks they encounter pre-service and in-service.

theteacherjames

2:07 PM

@Marisa_C Definitely not disagreeing here. #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:07 PM

Often, yes RT @Marisa_C: @OUPELTGlobal I think it's two or 3 yrs to get a project off ground or am I wrong? #eltchat

englishraven

2:08 PM

RT @ElkySmith: #eltchat Publishers have big influence on new teachers through the coursebooks they encounter pre-service and in-service.

Wiktor_K

2:08 PM

@OUPELTGlobal Do you find that paper-based CBs get in your way? Would things be different with constantly updated digital CBs? #eltchat

rliberni

2:08 PM

I have also found publishers very helpful - when they come and see me #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:08 PM

The speed with which things change today is a fairly recent phenomenon tho #ELTchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:08 PM

Not if they want to produce quality RT @rliberni: @OUPELTGlobal  I think that is the biggest drawback things move fast pubs can't #eltchat

elawassell

2:09 PM

@theteacherjames true! In some countries - the workshops organised by the publishers are the only form of PD for many teachers. #ELTchat

rliberni

2:09 PM

@Marisa_C  true I used Kernel Lessons for over 3 years! No other choice #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:09 PM

@Wiktor_K Probably not. The content still needs to be of high quality. Still all the checks and assurance stages to go through #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:09 PM

I personally find that published coursebooks have a short shelf life #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:09 PM

@Marisa_C Yes new but one that must have an effect on traditional publishing models  #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:10 PM

RT @teflerinha: Hi, not sure I have much new to say on this- but happy to respond as an author to any qs  #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:10 PM

RT @BobK99 RT @Marisa_C And small publishers for that matter  #ELTchat > Quite. What's a 'publisher'  today? ] good point.  Much broader now

ElkySmith

2:10 PM

@Marisa_C #eltchat Do you think CBs like Speakout and Life, with their BBC/NG material will have a longer shelf life?

rliberni

2:10 PM

RT @Marisa_C: I personally find that published coursebooks have a short shelf life #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:11 PM

@ElkySmith Perhaps, the print part though has some pretty traditional and outdated stuff - still - which is a shame  #eltchat

rliberni

2:11 PM

Some school timetable are so frantic that there simply isn't time to create anything new - CBs are the simplest way #eltchat

bunarart

2:11 PM

#ELTchat ELF issue must be included in CBs, rather than traditional patterns

BobK99

2:12 PM

RT @BobK99: #eltchat 6/9/12 mth lead time (as print publishers do) they're bound to miss the Next Big Thing -  doesn't make bks irrelvnt

ElkySmith

2:12 PM

@Marisa_C I agree. How much further can CBs really evolve? #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:12 PM

@Marisa_C But the language doesn't change that much, fundamentally. Think there is a way to create materials with lasting relevance #ELTchat

Wiktor_K

2:12 PM

RT @rliberni: Some school timetable are so frantic that there simply isnt time to create anything new - CBs are the simplest way #eltchat

rliberni

2:12 PM

Maybe a digitally evolving CB with print on demand? #eltchat

nihangunday

2:12 PM

RT @IsilBoy: Motivate Online Learners With 4 Easy Strategies http://t.co/CcmenCL0 #eltchat #edtech

worldteacher

2:12 PM

Just got away from a Skype call, so missed the start of #eltchat.  Will try to catch up. Probably just lurk on this one, anyway!

worldteacher

2:13 PM

RT @rliberni: Maybe a digitally evolving CB with print on demand? #eltchat >Sounds great - do you know if anyone;'s working on such a thing?

theteacherjames

2:13 PM

@Wiktor_K @OUPELTGlobal And constant online updates would be really expensive! #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:13 PM

@theteacherjames  #ELTchat The lang doesn't change THAT much but topics and what we know abt learning is at a different place

esolcourses

2:13 PM

@Marisa_C @ElkySmith  worth bearing in mind that traditional doesn't always=bad though.  Can sometimes still be relevant #ELTChat

Shaunwilden

2:13 PM

@theteacherjames @Marisa_C Was just about to ask what you thought it was :-)  #ELTchat

bunarart

2:13 PM

#ELTchat accor. to a study conducted in Istanbul., sts are not aware enough of ELF, even ELT sts.

OUPELTGlobal

2:13 PM

RT @BobK99: RT @BobK99: #eltchat 6/9/12 mth lead time (as print publishers do) they're bound to miss the Next Big Thing -  doesn't make bks irrelvnt

theteacherjames

2:13 PM

@Marisa_C Not sure what it is though! #ELTchat

theteacherjames

2:14 PM

@Shaunwilden If only... #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:14 PM

@teflerinha So what that means is a different book for each local context?  #ELTchat

theteacherjames

2:14 PM

@Marisa_C True. One day we'll understand how languages are learned & we'll miss these wild west days! #ELTchat

hartle

2:14 PM

#eltchat Hi everyone, what are we talking about today?

Marisa_C

2:14 PM

@esolcourses  #ELTChat  I have for a long time been observing classes where all the major coursebooks used for teaching - don't really agree

Wiktor_K

2:14 PM

I'm hopeful abt digital native teachers - able to curate & develop exciting & current materials, where CBs fall short. Are you? #eltchat

teflerinha

2:14 PM

#eltchat Think CBs need to leave plenty of room for personalisation/adapting to local context- provide a framework.

OUPELTGlobal

2:15 PM

Expensive and resource-heavy RT @theteacherjames: @Wiktor_K @OUPELTGlobal And constant online updates would be really expensive! #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:15 PM

@nihangunday remember to use the #ELTchat hashtag :-)

teflerinha

2:15 PM

RT @teflerinha: @Shaunwilden No not different book- but flexible and adaptable books #eltchat (forgot again)

MrChrisJWilson

2:15 PM

#eltchat I'd love to see publishers really adapt to new media. Subscription charges which lead to Sending out regularly updated lessons etc

worldteacher

2:15 PM

@teflerinha I agree, but are there any that do this? #eltchat

ElkySmith

2:15 PM

@esolcourses @Marisa_C #eltchat Absolutely.

Marisa_C

2:15 PM

RT @nihangunday: @Marisa_C I guess it's because kids go beyond just working on books..#ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:16 PM

@worldteacher @teflerinha But bloody expensive to produce I would guess :-) #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:16 PM

@Shaunwilden I think pearson did sth called a flexicourse - too early - flopped  #eltchat

teflerinha

2:16 PM

@worldteacher Books can't do it, but teachers can :) if books aren't too prescriptive #eltchat

esolcourses

2:16 PM

@theteacherjames @Wiktor_K @OUPELTGlobal online updates would be really expensive! #eltchat ] Disagree. If I can do it so can big pubs :-)

worldteacher

2:16 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @teflerinha So what that means is a different book for each local context?  #ELTchat > Now that would be good!!

Shaunwilden

2:16 PM

RT @teflerinha: No not different book- but flexible and adaptable books - Is that really possible given the wide range of contexts? #eltchat

hartle

2:16 PM

#eltchat ahh CBs I like to have one although then I find that it is like a brick round my neck

BobK99

2:16 PM

RT @bunarart: #ELTchat accor. to a study conducted in Istanbul., sts are not aware enough of ELF, even ELT sts. .>'Enough'? Does st define?

bunarart

2:16 PM

#ELTchat the reason behind it is CBs dont take ELF as a model, dict.s are not based on diff. varieties of Eng.

worldteacher

2:17 PM

@teflerinha That's what I mean - are there any books which can be easily adapted for local use? #eltchat

rliberni

2:17 PM

@worldteacher  no idea just a though for keeping things up-to-date #eltchat

hartle

2:17 PM

#eltchat the ideal CB wd be a structure with topics, ideas, suggestions pointing teachers & stds towards all the other resources

OUPELTGlobal

2:17 PM

@esolcourses @theteacherjames @Wiktor_K If big pubs did it, the cost of materials would have to go up. At least initially #ELTchat

michaelegriffin

2:18 PM

@worldteacher @teflerinha Hey all...what would it mean to be easily adaptable for local use?  #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:18 PM

@elawassell @teflerinha Well publishers do adapt for different markets but not too the extreme that I think we're talking about #eltchat

worldteacher

2:18 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @worldteacher @teflerinha But bloody expensive to produce I would guess :-) #eltchat >Yes, I expect so!

OUPELTGlobal

2:18 PM

@theteacherjames @esolcourses @Wiktor_K Absolutely! #ELTchat

aslibasarirunlu

2:18 PM

RT @hartle: #eltchat the ideal CB wd be a structure with topics, ideas, suggestions pointing teachers & stds towards all the other resources

ElkySmith

2:18 PM

#eltchat Will the move to CEFR alignment lead to reduced reliance on CBs and more in-house development relevant to local context?

rliberni

2:18 PM

@worldteacher  I think all these must be possible if you sacrifice a bit of quality p'haps and go for content #eltchat

worldteacher

2:18 PM

@teflerinha Here in Vietnam we spend a lot of time adapting CBs to make them less euro-centric #eltchat

esolcourses

2:18 PM

@Marisa_C think we are talking at cross purposes. I meant format, rather than teaching from a book #ELTChat

theteacherjames

2:18 PM

@esolcourses @Wiktor_K @OUPELTGlobal At least that's what I heard somewhere... #eltchat

BobK99

2:18 PM

@worldteacher @riberni  #eltchat PoD teaching materials - nice idea but copyright wd be a nightmare! ;-)

elawassell

2:18 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @teflerinha So what that means is a different book for each local context?  <-ideal and unreal? #ELTchat

theteacherjames

2:18 PM

@esolcourses @Wiktor_K @OUPELTGlobal In theory, but I think the licensing, writing, sub-editing & licensing costs would be huge. #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:19 PM

@esolcourses @theteacherjames Question then... how many CBs do you produce? #ELTchat

Wiktor_K

2:19 PM

Apple's iBooks looks good, but hermetic - my guerrilla take on it: http://t.co/UZUo9zi3 - does @OUPELTGlobal work on these? #ELTchat

ElkySmith

2:19 PM

@hartle @aslibasarirunlu #eltchat So not really a CB (as we know it) then?

Marisa_C

2:19 PM

@esolcourses No i meant the format too - :-)  #ELTChat

hartle

2:19 PM

@Shaunwilden thnx Shaun, btw, any news abt the conference papers for Iatefl a propos of publishing? #eltchat

rliberni

2:19 PM

@worldteacher  there are books made specially for the Middle East - maybe it's possible for Asia too? Hey publishers? #eltchat

esolcourses

2:19 PM

@OUPELTGlobal @theteacherjames once again, I disagree. if an online publisher with a staff of two can manage do it, so can anyone #ELTChat

Shaunwilden

2:19 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Publishing HAS become much more localised - diff books for Muslim countries for example #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:19 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Publishing HAS become much more localised - diff books for Muslim countries for example #ELTchat

rliberni

2:20 PM

But do students like the feel of having a book for their course - I think they do #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:20 PM

@ElkySmith @hartle @aslibasarirunlu  Is it right to talk abt cbk anyway - more like course materials since it usually so much more? #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:20 PM

RT @worldteacher: @teflerinha Here in Vietnam we spend a lot of time adapting CBs to make them less euro-centric #eltchat

hartle

2:20 PM

RT @worldteacher: @teflerinha Here in Vietnam we spend a lot of time adapting ... #eltchat we do that in Europe too !!! to make thm relevant

worldteacher

2:20 PM

@rliberni Would be nice to see - just started using Garnet - made for Middle East, but more suited to us than the 'normal' CBs #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:20 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Marisa_C: Publishing HAS become much more localised - diff books for Muslim countries for example #eltchat

teflerinha

2:21 PM

@worldteacher Yes, bt same 4 mostcontexts(e.g. ESOL in UK). Isn't that part of using a CB- still less work thn starting frm scratch #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:21 PM

@Wiktor_K Not yet. But it's something we're considering #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:21 PM

@rliberni I'd say yes but some would argue that they are just used to having them #eltchat

esolcourses

2:21 PM

@OUPELTGlobal @theteacherjames we don't. It's all online. Point I' m making though is updating online mats is not that difficult #ELTChat

englishraven

2:21 PM

Coursebook or no coursebook - what do learners prefer? Some of the answers might surprise you... http://t.co/VGIilV9M  #eltchat

vale360

2:22 PM

RT @hartle: #eltchat the ideal CB wd be a structure with topics, ideas, suggestions pointing teachers & stds towards all other resources

teflerinha

2:22 PM

@hartle @worldteacher #eltchat Yes, that's my point. Every context is different, nothing will fit all perfectly

worldteacher

2:22 PM

RT @teflerinha: Yes, bt same 4 mostcontexts(e.g. ESOL in UK). Isn't that part of using a CB-less work thn starting frm scratch #eltchat>true

kevchanwow

2:22 PM

@hartle @Shaunwilden There are Japan  "focused" CBs, but even localized CBs can't make the students suddenly want to talk. #ELTchat

Wiktor_K

2:22 PM

@OUPELTGlobal Would love to see that happen for our iPad-sporting students! #eltchat

rliberni

2:22 PM

@Shaunwilden  good point I often give vocab books or even guide books but they do like something #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:22 PM

@esolcourses @theteacherjames Maybe not in isolation, but updating online and print for over 2000 titles a year would be #ELTchat

Tatiawa

2:22 PM

RT @NikPeachey: RT @IsilBoy: Motivate Online Learners 4 Easy Strategies http://t.co/b1E4mt1L #eltchat #edtech  #elearn #ELT #EFL #web20

elawassell

2:22 PM

Agree! RT @rliberni: But do students like the feel of having a book for their course - I think they do #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:22 PM

@OUPELTGlobal @theteacherjames unlike traditional print, you can edit it as and when required. No need to start 100% from scratch #ELTChat

Marisa_C

2:23 PM

RT @hartle: #eltchat the ideal CB wd be a structure with topics, ideas, suggestions pointing teachers & stds towards all other resources

Shaunwilden

2:23 PM

RT @rliberni: @Shaunwilden  also it's helpful for ss to review or do extra work from the cb or workbook #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:23 PM

@Wiktor_K Well we already have a range of learning apps (mainly graded readers)... it's only a matter of time! #ELTchat

ElkySmith

2:23 PM

@rliberni #eltchat Perhaps because that's what they expect but prefer to sacrifice CB for better teaching I think - they pay more for it!

hartle

2:23 PM

#ELTchat it might mean: Unit 1 Getting to know you activities + integrating Google maps, activities, + language focus & urls etc.

hartle

2:24 PM

RT @englishraven: Coursebook or no coursebook - what do learners prefer? http://t.co/7zco5dTr  #eltchat

elawassell

2:24 PM

@Shaunwilden @rliberni not only that - it gives them a sense of progress (even if linear and illusive)+ they have sth to revise wth #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:24 PM

@aslibasarirunlu @ElkySmith @hartle  Restricting or a useful starting point? #eltchat

rliberni

2:24 PM

RT @Marisa_C: RT @hartle: #eltchat the ideal CB wd be a structure with topics, ideas, suggestions pointing teachers & stds towards all other resources

esolcourses

2:24 PM

@OUPELTGlobal @theteacherjames still think it can be done :-) Simply use a subscrition model, rather than selling physical books #ELTChat

rliberni

2:24 PM

@ElkySmith  depends on the organisation I think #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:25 PM

@teflerinha @hartle @worldteacher It's not realistic to expect a book to fit your situation. Adaption should be normal & encouraged #eltchat

ElkySmith

2:25 PM

@Shaunwilden @aslibasarirunlu @hartle #eltchat Both…either…it depends!

esolcourses

2:25 PM

@OUPELTGlobal @theteacherjames fair enough... and I agree that there is still going to be a market in that respect for some time #ELTChat

BobK99

2:25 PM

RT @rliberni: ... like the feel of having a book for thr crse - I think t[so] #eltchat > And some Ss (me, eg) depend on page layout for mem

Marisa_C

2:25 PM

@TyKendall  #eltchat 500 lines!!!

Shaunwilden

2:25 PM

@TyKendall  tiz yout topic!!!!! #eltchat

TyKendall

2:25 PM

#eltchat AAAAAAAAAAAGH Fashionably late I'm calling it :-)

OUPELTGlobal

2:25 PM

@esolcourses @theteacherjames I take your point. Reality is, though, that many of our titles sell in countries where IT skills low #ELTchat

michaelegriffin

2:26 PM

I think "English Upgrade" was made (pretty much specifically) for students in Asia  http://t.co/207Gg52k #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:26 PM

Agree - adaptation a given - no perfect coursebook can exist by definition #Eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:26 PM

@esolcourses @theteacherjames For a long time to come, probably. However, we are moving towards more interactive online courses #ELTchat

hartle

2:26 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @ElkySmith @hartle @aslibasarirunlu  Is it right to talk ? #eltchat Yes maybe we should call them "Course Directions"

TyKendall

2:26 PM

#eltchat @Shaunwilden  I know, the significant other is sick so I'm playing nurse/slave

teflerinha

2:26 PM

RT @teflerinha: @Shaunwilden @aslibasarirunlu @ElkySmith @hartle 4 me..starting point (though CB doesn't have to mean paper book) #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:27 PM

Ideally, we'd move to a mix of online and print, with online being more customizable to different teaching styles and cultures #ELTchat

ElkySmith

2:27 PM

@theteacherjames @teflerinha @hartle @worldteacher Agree. Ts often assume the opposite is expected of them even when it isn't. #eltchat

esolcourses

2:27 PM

@Marisa_C not enough scope to clarify what I mean in 140 chrs, so lets just agree to disagree for now & discuss later :-) #ELTChat

Wiktor_K

2:27 PM

I'm with @hartle here: Publisher-provided "skeleton" + localized/owned/updated content = result. In few yrs, this shd be possible. #eltchat

rliberni

2:27 PM

@BobK99  good point I think #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:27 PM

@aslibasarirunlu @Shaunwilden @ElkySmith @hartle but isn't knowing the right content for a class part of what makes us teachers? #ELTchat

chiasuan

2:28 PM

Isn't the term 'coursebook' a bit of a misnomer if we're going to adapt & pick&choose frm it? Should it be a resource pack? #eltchat

cioccas

2:28 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Agree - adaptation a given - no perfect coursebook can exist by definition #Eltchat

worldteacher

2:28 PM

@theteacherjames I agree and I, too, have always adapted for local use but my point is that in Asia EVERYTHING has to be changed!#eltchat

Marisa_C

2:28 PM

@esolcourses no worries :-)  #ELTChat

rliberni

2:28 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Agree - adaptation a given - no perfect coursebook can exist by definition #Eltchat

hartle

2:28 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @teflerinha @hartle @worldteacher It's not realistic to expect...  #eltchat True, but I often end up scrapping the book

theteacherjames

2:29 PM

@hartle @teflerinha @worldteacher The option to adapt should be built into the design of the book, but I don't think that happens. #eltchat

hartle

2:29 PM

but isn't knowing the right content for a class part of what makes us teachers? #ELTchat Yes, but some content must be relevant.

esolcourses

2:29 PM

RT @chiasuan Isn't the term 'coursebook' a bit of a misnomer if we're going to adapt & pick & choose? Should it be a resource pack? #eltchat

ElkySmith

2:29 PM

@Wiktor_K @hartle #eltchat A move towards this type of approach might help to change bad habits

Shaunwilden

2:29 PM

@chiasuan for once I agree with Chia :-) #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:29 PM

@kevchanwow Yes & no, there's  more to it then simply the right content e.g. ensuring progress, syllabus, course requirements etc #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:29 PM

@worldteacher I can't believe it'll be like that for long. That's one huge market right there & money leads these decisions! #eltchat

englishraven

2:30 PM

@chiasuan Yes. Resource packs/learning materials can be quite different to COURSEbooks. I make the former now, not the latter. #eltchat

t4lk2pam

2:30 PM

True! RT @Marisa_C: Agree - adaptation a given - no perfect coursebook can exist by definition #Eltchat

worldteacher

2:30 PM

@theteacherjames True!! Just had some interest from Garnet seeing as we are placing a substantial order for the new academic year #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:31 PM

@kevchanwow but then can we expect relatively new teachers to be able to do all that? #eltchat

rliberni

2:31 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Can you move to another part of the question? It's clear that most here agree on a number of issues #ELTchat Are publishers out of touch?

hartle

2:31 PM

@chiasuan #ELTchat a "resource pack" for me is smthg a tracher uses, "course directions" shd be for teachers & stds maybe in a livebinder

Marisa_C

2:31 PM

Can you move to another part of the question? It's clear that most here agree on a number of issues #ELTchat Are publishers out of touch?

kevchanwow

2:31 PM

@Shaunwilden yep, hence that important word, "part".  And all of those things need modification for each class.  #ELTchat

Wiktor_K

2:32 PM

Ultimately, learners nowadays have a lot more choice & expectation. Learning plans come first, syllabuses next - CBs don't fit in! #eltchat

chiasuan

2:32 PM

@Shaunwilden Yay! #IamsecretlyindesperateneedofShaunWilden'sapprovalcozIthinkheiscool #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:32 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Can you move to another part of the question?  #ELTchat Are publishers out of touch?

harrisonmike

2:32 PM

What's the topic #eltchat? On my lunch break =)

michaelegriffin

2:32 PM

@theteacherjames Can you give me an example of the option to change being built in? I honestly think it is always built in any CB.  #ELTchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:32 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Can you move to another part of the question? It's clear that most here agree on a number of issues #ELTchat Are publishers out of touch?

michaelegriffin

2:33 PM

Out of touch with teachers? Out of touch with theory? Out of touch with what the market dictates? Out of touch with what i want?  #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:33 PM

@harrisonmike publishers and if they are out of touch is where we are at at this mo #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:33 PM

@michaelegriffin I don't think it's explicit. "Here's a video", "here's a listening", not "find a video relevant to your sts". #ELTchat

rliberni

2:33 PM

The coursebook writers I know are constantly keeping up with research & new ideas I think it's lead times that cause this #eltchat

ElkySmith

2:33 PM

#eltchat Australian colleges want to align syll with CEFR -> requires careful analysis of learners' needs -> develop context-spec mats?

esolcourses

2:34 PM

RT @Marisa_C: The writers we all know who come to Twitter seem to be up to speed but what about the others? And their editors? #ELTchat

kevchanwow

2:34 PM

@Shaunwilden honestly, I forgot about less experienced teachers. OK, I can see the need for more targeted/localized CBs now. Thanks #ELTchat

michaelegriffin

2:34 PM

@theteacherjames Ahhh cheers, I see what you mean....(not being cheeky) I just assumed that was part of my job to pick and choose #ELTchat

teflerinha

2:34 PM

@rliberni #eltchat And, to be fair, publishers are in my experience quite conservative..it's a big investment. Look at the COBUILD series :(

hartle

2:34 PM

#eltchat I think publishers are trying to update withmsome gd websites, but they have problems with differing activity types, copyright etc

Marisa_C

2:34 PM

The writers we all know who come to Twitter seem to be up to speed but what about the others? And their editors? #ELTchat

worldteacher

2:34 PM

@michaelegriffin Have you used English Upgrade? Have heard negative feedback. #eltchat

chiasuan

2:34 PM

I strongly believe that grammar points should not be stuck in with each unit. It assumes that grammar learning is linear. #eltchat

Wiktor_K

2:35 PM

Impossible to be perfectly "up to speed" here - too many markets and course flavours. Find a niche or stay "general" & slower? #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:35 PM

@worldteacher I used it and I didn't love it. I did however like the fact it was made for Asia. (was teaching in Japan at the time) #ELTchat

ElkySmith

2:35 PM

#eltchat Is the entire concept of CBs out of date and out of touch?

yearinthelifeof

2:35 PM

@chiasuan How would you approach grammar teaching, in that case? #ELTChat

Marisa_C

2:35 PM

I have heard some real horror stories about editors - :-) #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:35 PM

@michaelegriffin I agree, but I don't think they are designed with that in mind. That's a problem, I think. #ELTchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:35 PM

[Enables defensive mode] Constant contact w/ Ts, focus groups, rigorous testing, new authors, new titles, new tech, new approaches #ELTchat

harrisonmike

2:35 PM

Out of touch. Perhaps. But maybe getting better. Though not all. Bigger pub houses slower to move. #eltchat

teflerinha

2:36 PM

RT @rliberni: Lets face it we here are not the mainstream & pubs need to sell books the market will dictate to a large extent #eltchat

hartle

2:36 PM

#eltchat difficult qus, as we cd ask 'are teachers up to date?" publishers provide whtbthe majority wants...

chiasuan

2:36 PM

I'd like2see more holistic lexico-grammar coverage. None of this:Here r the 5 uses of the present perfect types of confusing lists. #eltchat

worldteacher

2:36 PM

@michaelegriffin Good to know - thanks! #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:36 PM

@harrisonmike do DELTA publish coursebook materials?  #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:36 PM

@kevchanwow I think that's a common thing - we experienced ones forget whats it like when we started :-) #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:36 PM

@theteacherjames Good point..I think that perspective would make for a big shift in the final products.  #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:36 PM

RT @rliberni: Lets face it we here are not the mainstream & pubs need to sell books the market will dictate to a large extent #eltchat

teflerinha

2:36 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal:Constant contact w/ Ts, focus gps, rigorous testing, new authors,  titles,  tech, new approaches #ELTchat My experience 2

rliberni

2:36 PM

Lets face it we here are not the mainstream & pubs need to sell books the market will dictate to a large extent #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:36 PM

DELTA Publishing good example of publisher that is up with teachers' needs and wants out of resource and methodology books #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:37 PM

@Marisa_C Not as far as I know. Although they address coursebook market - see Mario Rinvolucri 'Humanising your coursebook' #eltchat

ElkySmith

2:37 PM

@hartle I think there's a T training potential for CBs and TBs that may be missed often. #eltchat

rliberni

2:37 PM

RT @englishraven: My biggest concern about publishers is that they tend to talk to/base decisions on 'the choir'. #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:37 PM

@michaelegriffin Definitely, and not difficult to do I think. #ELTchat

englishraven

2:37 PM

My biggest concern about publishers is that they tend to talk to/base decisions on 'the choir'. #eltchat

rliberni

2:37 PM

RT @hartle: #eltchat difficult qus, as we cd ask 'are teachers up to date?" publishers provide whtbthe majority wants... gr8 point!

degrass_online

2:37 PM

RT @hartle (Sharon Hartle)#eltchat difficult qus, as we cd ask 'are teachers up to date?" publishers provide whtbthe majority wa...  #tfb

michaelegriffin

2:37 PM

RT @rliberni: Lets face it we here are not the mainstream & pubs need 2 sell books the market will dictate to a large extent >right #ELTchat

rliberni

2:38 PM

RT @Marisa_C: @englishraven  #eltchat that reminds me of a hopefully old school of publishers who referred to Ts as the 'punters"

Shaunwilden

2:38 PM

@BobK99 @Marisa_C I missed strike 1 #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:38 PM

@worldteacher My pleasure. I'd recommend checking it out. (Also glad you saw the tweet becuase it was in response to your comment) #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:38 PM

@englishraven  #eltchat that reminds me of a hopefully old school of publishers who referred to Ts as the 'punters"

BobK99

2:38 PM

RT @BobK99: @Marisa_C  Lead times mean books necessarily 'out of touch'  - still useful though.  #ELTchat Strike 2 :-)

chiasuan

2:38 PM

@yearinthelifeof Grammar points can b in a diff section at the back of the book. As it emerges, teacher can use the relevant parts. #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:38 PM

@englishraven The 'choir'? #ELTchat

michaelegriffin

2:39 PM

My thought is that CBs are only out of touch if we think of them as THe curriculum  or THE course  #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:39 PM

@OUPELTGlobal  #ELTchat I ain't telling .....

OUPELTGlobal

2:39 PM

@Marisa_C Not from us, I hope ;) #ELTchat

teflerinha

2:39 PM

@harrisonmike @chiasuan Isn't it always pretty useless?! #eltchat

dincherdemir

2:39 PM

RT @IsilBoy: Motivate Online Learners With 4 Easy Strategies http://t.co/CcmenCL0 #eltchat #edtech

hartle

2:39 PM

#eltchat sorry everyone, have to go and check in (in Gatwick Airport). Great discussion. Catch U all tonight :-)

BobK99

2:39 PM

@Shaunwilden  #eltchat It snuck under the radar - no chars left to fess up!

Marisa_C

2:39 PM

So if 'the punters' are not trained, better produce books for the great unwashed #ELTchat - harsh? I've heard this!!!!!

harrisonmike

2:39 PM

@chiasuan I'd like this. Esp it would be much more useful in ESOL where decontextualised grammar/vocab practice is really useless #eltchat

Wiktor_K

2:40 PM

Folks, off to deal with my students and teachers now - see you again tonight! #eltchat

chiasuan

2:40 PM

@harrisonmike Problem is,if grammr is in a section at the bk of a book,the practice exercises won't be able2use a topic as context. #eltchat

rliberni

2:40 PM

@michaelegriffin  Yes, is it actually OUR perception turns it on it's head a bit #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:40 PM

@michaelegriffin @worldteacher From my exp, Oxford makes county-specific 'English File' books. Saw an elem one for Spanish market. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:40 PM

@michaelegriffin And yet that is just how many schools use them #eltchat

pickuplines2000

2:40 PM

RT @hartle (Sharon Hartle)#eltchat difficult qus, as we cd ask 'are teachers up to date?" publishers provide whtbthe majority wa...  #tfb

teflerinha

2:40 PM

RT @michaelegriffin: My thought is that CBs are only out of touch if we think of them as THe curriculum  or THE course  #ELTchat Yes, agree.

englishraven

2:40 PM

RT @michaelegriffin: My thought is that CBs are only out of touch if we think of them as THe curriculum  or THE course  #ELTchat

rliberni

2:40 PM

RT @michaelegriffin: My thought is that CBs are only out of touch if we think of them as THe curriculum  or THE course  #ELTchat gr8 pt!

Shaunwilden

2:40 PM

RT @michaelegriffin: My thought is that CBs are only out of touch if we think of them as THe curriculum  or THE course  #ELTchat

harrisonmike

2:41 PM

@michaelegriffin Shame that in many contexts the books go hand in hand with the course. 'Welcome to X school, here is your Headway' #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:41 PM

RT @michaelegriffin: My thought is that CBs are only out of touch if we think of them as THe curriculum  or THE course  #ELTchat

t4lk2pam

2:41 PM

#eltchat hi everyone! I guess publishers & CBs cannot compete with the continuous updated info of the web,takes a long time to publish a CB

rliberni

2:41 PM

RT @englishraven: @OUPELTGlobal You're on #eltchat in a regular and participatory way - unlike most of your competitors. It bodes well! :-)

worldteacher

2:41 PM

@harrisonmike Yes, used them in Italy - don't think they're available for Asia, though! #eltchat

englishraven

2:41 PM

@OUPELTGlobal You're on #eltchat in a regular and participatory way - unlike most of your competitors. It bodes well! :-)

rliberni

2:41 PM

RT @kevchanwow: I've only had good experiences with publishers. They want to me to keep buying their books after all. #ELTchat

ElkySmith

2:41 PM

@michaelegriffin Agree - and that is largely the problem with CBs, how they are used. #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:41 PM

I've only had good experiences with publishers. They want to me to keep buying their books after all. #ELTchat

englishraven

2:42 PM

@harrisonmike You're right. I almost opened my own school in Korea called 'Boost!' And it would have worked, too! #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:42 PM

@teflerinha @chiasuan *especially* useless =) #eltchat

rliberni

2:42 PM

@harrisonmike  agreed the book IS the syllabus esp for exam classes #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:42 PM

@michaelegriffin @Shaunwilden Trouble is, many schools have no choice. In some countries, they ARE the ministry-approved syllabus #ELTchat

michaelegriffin

2:42 PM

@harrisonmike *shudders.

MrChrisJWilson

2:42 PM

@michaelegriffin I guess the name COURSEbook helps to create that paradigm #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:42 PM

@Shaunwilden Agreed... I am not a huge coursebook fan but think the biggest problem is when T's feel compelled to use like that  #ELTchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:43 PM

@englishraven Let's hope so :) #ELTchat

teflerinha

2:43 PM

RT @MrChrisJWilson: @michaelegriffin guess th name COURSEbook helps to create tht paradigm #eltchat Yes, but pubs generally use Students' Bk

theteacherjames

2:43 PM

@chiasuan @harrisonmike Suppose suggestions for this problem could be included in the teacher's book? #eltchat

ElkySmith

2:43 PM

@harrisonmike @michaelegriffin It's v. important for DoSes to be explicit to Ts about how they expect CBs to be used #eltchat

rliberni

2:44 PM

@OUPELTGlobal  in many schools too & it makes sure that everyone delivers the syllabus - can't blame them #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:44 PM

@OUPELTGlobal @michaelegriffin fair point, I was thinking of schools I visit that dont realise that syllabus&cbk are not the same #eltchat

pennyhands

2:44 PM

Sorry to just come in now! As an editor, all v interesting #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:44 PM

There is a vicious cycle in schools which (with due respect to publishers present) pubs can take advbantage of #ELTchat

teflerinha

2:44 PM

RT @ElkySmith: @harrisonmike @michaelegriffin It's v. important for DoSes to be explicit to Ts about how they expect CBs to be used #eltchat

englishraven

2:44 PM

@OUPELTGlobal That's where I think publishers can be a major force for good - if they really try to be (ministry-approved, etc.) #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:44 PM

@chiasuan Grammar and lexis and skills are best integrated in a particular way of teaching, and it's not book-based ;-) #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:45 PM

@michaelegriffin @Shaunwilden @chiasuan @englishraven Interesting point. Use the influence with ministries to direct the content #ELTchat

chiasuan

2:45 PM

@michaelegriffin @OUPELTGlobal @Shaunwilden It all starts high up.Esp in systems where sts r just studyin2pass exams & not 2 speak. #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:45 PM

@ElkySmith @michaelegriffin Good point #eltchat

BobK99

2:45 PM

RT @rliberni: @harrisonmike  agreed the book IS the syllabus esp for exam classes #eltchat >Couldn't STAND teaching from such a book! ;-

rliberni

2:45 PM

RT @Marisa_C: There is a vicious cycle in schools which (with due respect to publishers present) pubs can take advbantage of #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:45 PM

@englishraven  #eltchat Agree fully - but even pubs ran out of charity trusts think megabacuks - their moral culture must change

harrisonmike

2:45 PM

@englishraven I'd work at that school! We could always ditch the book if we wanted, right?? ;-) #eltchat

worldteacher

2:45 PM

RT @Marisa_C: There is a vicious cycle in schools which (with due respect to publishers present) pubs can take advbantage of #ELTchat>Agreed

educlick

2:46 PM

RT @cybraryman1: #eltchat NOW "Do ELT publishers have too much influence and are they out of touch with reality? Do they lag behind the times #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:46 PM

In fact teachers can INSIST or create a movement through social media blogs twitter that they need to change #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:46 PM

@esolcourses @englishraven Wouldn't miss it for the world :) #ELTchat

harrisonmike

2:46 PM

@ElkySmith @michaelegriffin Also, what about how sts expect them to be used? #eltchat

rliberni

2:46 PM

@Marisa_C  this also makes commercial sense and this is about business primarily #eltchat

esolcourses

2:46 PM

@OUPELTGlobal @englishraven agree with Jason that it bodes well.  Good to see you taking part in this :-) #ELTChat

harrisonmike

2:47 PM

Shudder at the resources, monetary & physical, that schools splash out on 4students. Book per st, new book if they go up 2 nxt lvl #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:47 PM

So far we've talked about coursebooks. What about resource books, webinars, talks, graded readers, online content, T resources etc? #eltchat

rliberni

2:47 PM

@Marisa_C  we can vote with our feet if we don't buy then they will change but it's a BIG task #eltchat

englishraven

2:47 PM

@Marisa_C Yes, I want to see publishers use their influence to encourage and facilitate change - that IS market-driving/driven! #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:47 PM

RT @Marisa_C: In fact teachers can INSIST or create a movement through social media blogs twitter that they need to change >love it #ELTchat

ElkySmith

2:47 PM

@harrisonmike @michaelegriffin #eltchat Yes, also important: DoS -> Ts -> Ss and marketing -> agents -> Ss

OUPELTGlobal

2:48 PM

@chiasuan @michaelegriffin @Shaunwilden @englishraven It can't hurt! #ELTchat

rliberni

2:48 PM

RT @englishraven: @harrisonmike Oh, absolutely. In my school 'Boost!' would be the objective/philosophy, not a coursebook. #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:48 PM

#eltchat devils advocate moment, students books do cover the 'skills' needed for each level. That makes them courses..right

englishraven

2:48 PM

@harrisonmike Oh, absolutely. In my school 'Boost!' would be the objective/philosophy, not a coursebook. #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:48 PM

@englishraven @Marisa_C That sort of change IS big, but ultimately for the good of the learners AND teachers #ELTchat

pennyhands

2:48 PM

@harrisonmike @chiasuan I think a bk wld be helpful for teachers, showing how to integrate grammar and lexis focus in a lesson #eltchat

chiasuan

2:48 PM

@OUPELTGlobal @michaelegriffin @Shaunwilden @englishraven Will ministries (&publishrs) b convincd by hard evidnce frm SLA research? #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:49 PM

#eltchat I believe that was a 'flame comment' or some internet term like that ;-)

t4lk2pam

2:49 PM

RT @harrisonmike: @ElkySmith @michaelegriffin Also, what about how sts expect them to be used? #eltchat

rliberni

2:49 PM

RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat devils advocate moment, students books do cover the 'skills' needed for each level. That makes them courses..right

michaelegriffin

2:49 PM

RT @harrisonmike @ElkySmith Also, what about how SS expect them 2 b used? > very good point but teachers have 2 make some decisions #ELTchat

ElkySmith

2:50 PM

@t4lk2pam @harrisonmike @michaelegriffin #eltchat The assumption is that Ss have paid for them so they have to be used - but how much?

educlick

2:50 PM

#ELTchat Publishers are not taking all the possibilities of digital publishing, not even by far, they want to do it slowly to get max benefs

englishraven

2:50 PM

There is a massive gap between what many writers/editors know/believe and what they produce. There is a moral gap there. #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:50 PM

@pennyhands @chiasuan My book-based teaching was a lot worse at integrating grammar/lexis focus than without. But maybe thats exp? #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:50 PM

RT @chiasuan  Will ministries (&publishrs) b convincd by hard evidnce frm SLA research? >IMO Short term no-long term yes($ talks)   #ELTchat

chiasuan

2:50 PM

@pennyhands @harrisonmike Sure, a book can help,but teacher trainin has got 2 b addressed.Train teachers to not just 'turn & burn'. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:51 PM

RT @kevchanwow: Sorry, can't get on the bash the publishers bandwagon. Teaching starts with the teacher knowing what&how to teach. #ELTchat

michaelegriffin

2:51 PM

@chiasuan meaning if the "punters" (parents?kids?)aren't happy then changes will have 2 come or people will simply find other ways  #ELTchat

teflerinha

2:51 PM

@harrisonmike @pennyhands @chiasuan Personally, I do think that CBs can help novice teachers..helped me! #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:51 PM

Sorry, can't get on the bash the publishers bandwagon. Teaching starts with the teacher knowing what and how to teach. #ELTchat

chiasuan

2:51 PM

@michaelegriffin It feels like such a sell-out:creating syllabuses that goes against research findings of how lang are learnt! #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:51 PM

@educlick I disagree. I think we want to do it RIGHT #ELTchat

englishraven

2:52 PM

@kevchanwow Lets not mistake critical review/discussion automatically with publisher-bashing bandwagons, shall we? #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:52 PM

RT @chiasuan: @teflerinha @harrisonmike @pennyhands I'm not against books per se, but how they are used is my issue. #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:52 PM

@englishraven It's often overly dictated by what the 'norm' is. Restrictive processes, 'set in our ways' attitude. Hard to overcome #ELTchat

ElkySmith

2:52 PM

@teflerinha Me too but I wonder now whether it would have helped me more to develop ability earlier to do without them. #eltchat

chiasuan

2:52 PM

@teflerinha @harrisonmike @pennyhands I'm not against books per se, but how they are used is my issue. #eltchat

esolcourses

2:53 PM

RT @Marisa_C: I think though that publishers cannot be blamed for the huge numbers of untrained blind CB following Ts #eltchat ] agree

teflerinha

2:53 PM

@Shaunwilden @ElkySmith I used to spend all weekend preparing as it was! #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:53 PM

@kevchanwow love ur thinking mine is something like of course (pun) a coursebook is not gonna b 4 everyone so we can't expect it. #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:53 PM

I think though that publishers cannot be blamed for the huge numbers of untrained blind CB following Ts - Ts and leaders are #eltchat

pennyhands

2:53 PM

@chiasuan @teflerinha @harrisonmike Sure, I was thinking of a teacher's resource book #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:53 PM

@ElkySmith @teflerinha Would you have coped on a full timetable of classes without one? #eltchat

chiasuan

2:53 PM

@michaelegriffin But 'punters' also need re-education becoz a lot of them are just looking 4 what they r familiar with. #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:54 PM

@chiasuan Right on! #eltchat Not sure where it starts but here in Korea I know parents aren't happy with Ss' learning and improvement

harrisonmike

2:54 PM

@chiasuan @teflerinha @pennyhands All I know is that I struggled using cbks in my first year in ESOL. Found it utterly uninspiring. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:54 PM

@teflerinha @ElkySmith yes me too still do n fact cos have too many sources to look at these days :-) #eltchat

englishraven

2:54 PM

@OUPELTGlobal Yes, 'compromise' is one of the most commonly used words in ELT publishing. compromise can become compromiseD... :-) #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:54 PM

Teachers & leaders should be (i meant) #ELTchat - but my modality fell apart :-)

chiasuan

2:54 PM

@harrisonmike @pennyhands I've heard of teachers who spend 3 mins of the tasks in Cutting Edge by 2hrs on the lexical/grammar prep. #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:55 PM

@harrisonmike @chiasuan @teflerinha @pennyhands Me too, and look where that led us! Should we be grateful? ;-) #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:55 PM

Publishers have a hard job, need and want to make good material...need to make money and sell them. Sometimes the same. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:55 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: @englishraven True. It's a balance between what can be done in the time and ensuring the quality of materials #ELTchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:55 PM

@englishraven True. It's a balance between what can be done in the time and ensuring the quality of materials #ELTchat

harrisonmike

2:56 PM

@theteacherjames @chiasuan @teflerinha @pennyhands Yep. I am. Taken a while but I'm happy with my practice now =) #eltchat

mskhogg

2:56 PM

#eltchat have to agree with @chiasuan re how books are used. Linear doesn't work. Even books try to recycle but ineffective.

chiasuan

2:56 PM

@michaelegriffin I think at the end of the day,if 'punters' see real progress in their English,then they'll b convinced regardless. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:56 PM

Ok 5 minutes left any more wise words #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:56 PM

@t4lk2pam Also, what about how sts expect them to be used? #eltchat > Again, gr8 point. This is where Im quite happy to put on my expert hat

educlick

2:56 PM

@OUPELTGlobal #eltchat Sorry, i'm pretty sure YOU do care, but most of publishers don't, its a reality!! Like Apple and biggest ones...

ElkySmith

2:56 PM

@Shaunwilden @teflerinha It's a massive challenge regardless I think. #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:57 PM

RT @MeghanBeler: @teflerinha @harrisonmike @pennyhands @chiasuan I agree and in many ways CBs are designed to help novice teachers. #ELTchat

theteacherjames

2:57 PM

Despite my reservations regarding coursebooks, I have to say that Resource Books for Teachers are fantastic. #creditwhereitsdue #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:57 PM

@educlick Ah I see! Well, kind of you to say. You're right though, bigger money-making pubs are definitely out for the quick buck! #ELTchat

MeghanBeler

2:57 PM

@teflerinha @harrisonmike @pennyhands @chiasuan I agree and in many ways CBs are designed to help novice teachers. #eltchat

educlick

2:57 PM

@OUPELTGlobal #eltchat Apple used the "ibook2" to fake its competitors hiding features they use afterwards, for example.  Not nice!!

rliberni

2:58 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: Yep! RT @MrWriteCzech: #eltchat Don't expect CBs to disappear in the near future. Publishers are very concerned about digital piracy.

englishraven

2:58 PM

RT @theteacherjames: I have to say that Resource Books for Teachers are fantastic. >Agree. They're ohso unprofitable for pubs, tho. #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:58 PM

Extensive reading and graded readers are at least one point where research and publishing seem to be working towards the same ends. #ELTchat

rliberni

2:58 PM

@theteacherjames  not strictly coursebooks I guess #eltchat I like them too

worldteacher

2:58 PM

RT @theteacherjames: Despite my reservations regarding coursebooks, I have to say that Resource Books for Ts are fantastic. #eltchat >Agreed

OUPELTGlobal

2:58 PM

Yep! RT @MrWriteCzech: #eltchat Don't expect CBs to disappear in the near future. Publishers are very concerned about digital piracy.

mskhogg

2:58 PM

#eltchat I think students expect the model they've been shown over and over. Doesn't mean it works best.

teflerinha

2:58 PM

@MeghanBeler @harrisonmike @pennyhands @chiasuan Yes, which is why too many diff options for exploiting mats not given I think. #eltchat

chiasuan

2:58 PM

@MeghanBeler @teflerinha @harrisonmike @pennyhands Are course books only for helping novice teachrs? Do publishers see it that way? #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:58 PM

Just wanted to go back to the fact that CBs aren't the only kind of texts.  I'm thankful every day for my graded reader library.  #ELTchat

MrWriteCzech

2:58 PM

#eltchat Don't expect CBs to disappear in the near future. Publishers are very concerned about digital piracy.

englishraven

2:59 PM

@theteacherjames I think the resource books, supplements, workshops, conferences etc. help pubs to hold onto moral compass :-) #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:59 PM

@chiasuan agree 100% and think it starts with the T being confident about choices (or at least thinking it through and making them) #ELTchat

ElkySmith

2:59 PM

#eltchat CBs themselves are not the problem - it's how they are used. DoSes need to be clear about use and comm that to Ts and then to Ss

teflerinha

2:59 PM

@chiasuan @MeghanBeler @harrisonmike @pennyhands Not only, but, yes, try not 2 assume t well trained and has excellent lang skills #eltchat

BobK99

2:59 PM

@educlick  #ELTchat [Re pubr's slow to exploit new opp'ties]Tough on them! - Just leaves the markt open fr strt-ups & 1-persn-bands #ELTchat

harrisonmike

2:59 PM

@chiasuan @MeghanBeler @teflerinha @pennyhands Well theyre not for helping novice sts - way 2 much going on on a double page spread #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:59 PM

@rliberni Not at all, but this chat is about the publishers not coursebooks! #eltchat

chiasuan

2:59 PM

@mskhogg Thank you! The teacher is a human bein who can adapt & tailor the lesson to suit the students. Books shld only supplement. #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

3:00 PM

@englishraven @theteacherjames Is that such a bad thing? :) #ELTchat

rliberni

3:00 PM

@theteacherjames  you're right (got carried away with the CB bashing) I think the non cbs have more value #eltchat

theteacherjames

3:00 PM

@englishraven The world is upside down, as usual. #eltchat

chiasuan

3:00 PM

@michaelegriffin And that comes from teacher training, doesn't it? Giving trainees opportunities to make choices, make mistakes... #eltchat

englishraven

3:01 PM

@OUPELTGlobal No, not at all. I think it is good/important. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

3:01 PM

Ok time for a volunteer for the summary....#eltchat

englishraven

3:01 PM

@theteacherjames I always tell colleagues to buy resource books and not try to get them as freebies. Ts have to support them! #eltchat

Jmahaffey4

3:01 PM

RT @CliveSir: A Must Read: #iTDi, working with difficult students http://t.co/XVxJvChG #edchat #eltchat #elemchat #pypchat #ukedchat #ozteachers

theteacherjames

3:01 PM

@englishraven I suppose there could be an element of that. Better take advantage of it, I guess! #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

3:02 PM

@englishraven All I can say is we're trying to do more of that - free webinars, local seminars, free resources, more T resource bks #ELTchat

englishraven

3:02 PM

@theteacherjames It's such an intrinsic part of our 'industry' - like clothing. Can we ever discuss/debate it enough? #eltchat

michaelegriffin

3:02 PM

@theteacherjames valiant effort.  #ELTchat

theteacherjames

3:02 PM

@englishraven Shame they're so damn expensive (but I understand why). #eltchat

rliberni

3:02 PM

@theteacherjames  we're a bunch of moaning minnies at heart! #eltchat

chiasuan

3:02 PM

I saw a coursebk explainin the present perfect:'The present perfect is usd when one has done somethin'! &we learn frm these things? #eltchat

theteacherjames

3:02 PM

@rliberni My attempt to steer the conversation away from CB's for a bit failed miserably. T's love criticising CB's! #eltchat

englishraven

3:03 PM

RT @ElkySmith: @OUPELTGlobal And doing it well :-) #eltchat >Agree.

theteacherjames

3:03 PM

@rliberni We're not that bad! But the CB is a special subject for us lot. #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

3:03 PM

@ElkySmith Well thank you :D #ELTchat

worldteacher

3:03 PM

Thanks to the mods @Marisa_C , @Shaunwilden @rliberni for a great #eltchat

BobK99

3:03 PM

@theteacherjames It was too much - only 10 mins left at your first attempt! ;-) #eltchat

ElkySmith

3:03 PM

@OUPELTGlobal And doing it well :-) #eltchat

educlick

3:03 PM

UNETE: Hablando de la publicaciΓ³n digital en #ELTchat ahora mismo // talking about digital publishing at #ELTchat right now JOIN US!

theteacherjames

3:03 PM

@michaelegriffin Thanks! #winsomelosesome #ELTchat

OUPELTGlobal

3:04 PM

Well, thanks for an invigorating #ELTchat everyone. I hope we held our own :) Til next time...

BobK99

3:04 PM

RT @worldteacher: Thanks to the mods @Marisa_C , @Shaunwilden @rliberni for a great #eltchat . Ditto - bye!

worldteacher

3:04 PM

My #eltchat topic tonight, but won't be able to stay up to 3am - sorry!! Gutted! will look forward to the summary!

theteacherjames

3:04 PM

@BobK99 I wouldn't have stood a chance earlier! Bashing coursebooks is a favourite subject. #eltchat

mskhogg

3:04 PM

#eltchat it's a bit of a catch22 to get out of the cycle, but wouldn't occam say the solution is simpler than a ton of materials?

kevchanwow

3:05 PM

Fascinating #ELTchat.  Thanks mods @Marisa_C  @Shaunwilden @rliberni  ...but still wondering how I ended up defending publishers...#ELTchat

mskhogg

3:05 PM

#eltchat thanks everyone!bglad Ifinally  caught it live!

Shaunwilden

3:05 PM

@worldteacher Is there anything in particular you want to be raised? #eltchat

teflerinha

3:05 PM

#eltchat Thnk there is assumption here tht all teachers really know what they're doing. I have obs plenty who are lost in sea of worksheets.

theteacherjames

3:05 PM

@englishraven I don't think the limit will ever be reached! #eltchat

ElkySmith

3:06 PM

#eltchat The question was about power…I think publishers probably have too much but only as much as we give them.

OUPELTGlobal

3:06 PM

@englishraven Thank you kindly, Jason! #ELTchat

OUPELTGlobal

3:06 PM

RT @englishraven: Just want to call out @OUPELTGlobal - what an excellent and open-minded participant in #eltchat! Put your competitors to shame... :-)

englishraven

3:06 PM

Just want to call out @OUPELTGlobal - what an excellent and open-minded participant in #eltchat! Put your competitors to shame... :-)

MeghanBeler

3:06 PM

@teflerinha #eltchat really good point, now if we could just get them to pick up that TB!

michaelegriffin

3:07 PM

What a fun/interesting chat. Thanks to all and especially mods @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @rliberni #ELTchat

ELT_T2W

3:07 PM

#ELTchat Just missed it. Drat! Looking forward to the summary.

Marisa_C

3:07 PM

@kevchanwow  #ELTchat #ELTchat lol I don't know either!  I think we we re quite soft on them publishers!!! :-D

MeghanBeler

3:07 PM

RT @englishraven: Just want to call out @OUPELTGlobal - what an excellent and open-minded participant in #eltchat! Put your competitors to shame... :-)

michaelegriffin

3:07 PM

@mskhogg Nice to see you.  #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

3:08 PM

tonight's #eltchat is How to analyse & re-stage activities to make them more learner centred.

esolcourses

3:08 PM

Thanks for another great #ELTchat , and to  mods @Marisa_C  @Shaunwilden @rliberni ! gtg - catch you later :-)

rliberni

3:08 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: Volunteer!!!!!!!!!!! #eltchat

Marisa_C

3:08 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: Volunteer!!!!!!!!!!! #eltchat

teflerinha

3:08 PM

@MeghanBeler These are ts working without a CB- just (randomly)printing worksheets off the internet #eltchat

Shaunwilden

3:08 PM

Volunteer!!!!!!!!!!! #eltchat

Marisa_C

3:09 PM

RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: Volunteer!!!!!!!!!!! #eltchat I'm getting the transcript - who shall I send it to???????

michaelegriffin

3:09 PM

RTMarisa_C @Shaunwilden: Volunteer!!!!!!!!!!! > Does this mean you got one or you need one?  I could do it in 8 days or so.  #ELTchat

chiasuan

3:10 PM

Here're the findings to the student questionnaires for the #Dogme vs Coursebk Teach-Off. http://t.co/j9SaZ07S #eltchat

educlick

3:10 PM

RT @hartle: RT @englishraven: Coursebook or no coursebook - what do learners prefer? http://t.co/7zco5dTr  #eltchat

Marisa_C

3:10 PM

@michaelegriffin  #ELTchat haven't got one yet - 8 days? oh well, we've had to wait even longer for some!!!

phil3wade

3:11 PM

RT @chiasuan: Here're the findings to the student questionnaires for the #Dogme vs Coursebk Teach-Off. http://t.co/j9SaZ07S #eltchat

Shaunwilden

3:11 PM

@michaelegriffin Yay a  volunteer  :-) Thanks #eltchat

educlick

3:12 PM

RT @chiasuan: Here're the findings to the student questionnaires for the #Dogme vs Coursebk Teach-Off. http://t.co/j9SaZ07S #eltchat

theteacherjames

3:12 PM

Thnx to the mods @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @rliberni for a great #eltchat & to @OUPELTGlobal for representing the ELT publishing industry!

Marisa_C

3:12 PM

Can we please announce that next week we won't be able to run #ELTchat 'cos we're going to the #ELTons thing!  to be livestreamed we hear

EvaMaierova

3:13 PM

#ELTchat Ts+Ss need CBs (@ least @ our uni) but they become obsolete very quickly, esp. bizenglish

theteacherjames

3:14 PM

New #eltchat Podcast Uncut. @vickyloras speaks to @yitzha_sarwono: http://t.co/lcWQMs9U

chiasuan

3:14 PM

RT @theteacherjames: Thnx to the mods @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @rliberni for a great #eltchat & to @OUPELTGlobal for representing the ELT publishing industry!

michaelegriffin

3:15 PM

@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden I can do it this time next week but of course if someone else wants to do it b4 that that is fine with me #ELTchat

theteacherjames

3:15 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Can we please announce that next week we won't be able to run #ELTchat 'cos we're going to the #ELTons thing!  to be livestreamed we hear

Marisa_C

3:15 PM

Thank you all who joined us for this #ELTchat ! We learn a lot from each and every one of you every week - so it's worth the hard work! :-D

esolcourses

3:16 PM

RT @Sharonzspace: Contribute To The Next ESL/EFL/ELL Blog Carnival!  http://t.co/ZYEQo6Lo #ELTCHAT #EAPCHAT #EDCHAT

chiasuan

3:16 PM

@Marisa_C @ShellTerrell @Shaunwilden Congrats once again for the ELTon nomination! I will miss #eltchat next week!

statweestics

3:17 PM

#eltchat is getting popular, +800% the last hour : http://t.co/7YCTbQba

englishraven

3:17 PM

RT @Larryferlazzo: RT @esolcourses: RT @Sharonzspace: Contribute To The Next ESL/EFL/ELL Blog Carnival!  http://t.co/pzm7we9H #ELTCHAT #EAPCHAT #EDCHAT

Marisa_C

3:17 PM

@chiasuan  #eltchat can you come to the pub after?

englishraven

3:17 PM

@educlick Thank you too Rafa. #eltchat

Larryferlazzo

3:17 PM

RT @esolcourses: RT @Sharonzspace: Contribute To The Next ESL/EFL/ELL Blog Carnival!  http://t.co/pzm7we9H #ELTCHAT #EAPCHAT #EDCHAT

Shaunwilden

3:17 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Can we please announce that next week we won't be able to run #ELTchat 'cos we're going to the #ELTons thing!

ElkySmith

3:18 PM

RT @theteacherjames: Thnx to the mods @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @rliberni for a great #eltchat & to @OUPELTGlobal for representing the ELT publishing industry!

ElkySmith

3:19 PM

RT @chiasuan: Here're the findings to the student questionnaires for the #Dogme vs Coursebk Teach-Off. http://t.co/j9SaZ07S #eltchat

ELTchat

3:20 PM

Sorry I won't be around for an #ELTchat next week  #ELTchat I will be at the #ELTons ceremory with my moderators! :-D

rliberni

3:20 PM

RT @statweestics: #eltchat is getting popular, +800% the last hour : http://t.co/7YCTbQba

rliberni

3:21 PM

RT @englishraven: New/more stuff now available on my English Oz page! http://t.co/jfiMsFvr #esl #eltchat

englishraven

3:21 PM

New/more stuff now available on my English Oz page! http://t.co/jfiMsFvr #esl #eltchat

englishraven

3:22 PM

RT @aClilToClimb: What makes a lesson great Pt 4 by @AnthonyGaughan http://t.co/Ne6e05gK #eltchat #edchat > Fab, as usual :)

aClilToClimb

3:22 PM

What makes a lesson great Pt 4 by @AnthonyGaughan http://t.co/Ne6e05gK #eltchat #edchat > Fab, as usual :)

worldteacher

3:22 PM

RT @englishraven: Just want to call out @OUPELTGlobal - what an excellent and open-minded participant in #eltchat! Put your competitors to shame... :-)

rliberni

3:22 PM

RT @ELTchat: Sorry I won't be around for an #ELTchat next week  #ELTchat I will be at the #ELTons ceremory with my moderators! :-D

 

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