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Shaunwilden |
9:03 PM |
RT @naomishema: Can somebody define international english please #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:03 PM |
Can somebody define international english please #eltchat |
elawassell |
9:03 PM |
Good evening all! :-) |
TyKendall |
9:03 PM |
#ELTCHAT What the hell is "International English"? Simplified English? |
SueAnnan |
9:04 PM |
@Shaunwilden I think ELF has its place, but not to teach it #eltchat |
TyKendall |
9:04 PM |
#ELTCHAT I'm an ELF-denier |
SueAnnan |
9:04 PM |
I don't think we can teach it if our students have exams to do, as the exam boards have expectations #ELTchat |
SophiaMav |
9:04 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @naomishema: Can somebody define international english please #ELTchat |
leoselivan |
9:04 PM |
@Marisa_C Kalispera Marisa twice on #eltchat today :) #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:04 PM |
@SueAnnan Are you an ELF believer? #eltchat |
hartle |
9:04 PM |
#eltchat I remember Barbara Seidlhofer saying Glb. English a description of usage not a variety. |
Marisa_C |
9:04 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @naomishema: Can somebody define international english please #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:05 PM |
RT @eLeafy: @Marisa_C I believe what varieties of English we teach is down to the student group and their needs .#eltchat |
bcinfrance |
9:05 PM |
And is there really a difference between "basic, simplified, clear English" and "International English"? #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
9:05 PM |
@TyKendall cool #ELTchat - thought you should be here |
steve_muir |
9:05 PM |
@SueAnnan agreed #ELTchat |
leoselivan |
9:05 PM |
is Intl' English the same as ELF (English as Lingua Franca? how do we define it? |
eLeafy |
9:05 PM |
@Marisa_C I believe what varieties of English we teach is down to the student group and their needs .#eltchat |
SophiaMav |
9:05 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: I dont think we can teach it if our students have exams to do, as the exam boards have expectations #ELTchat |
DinaDobrou |
9:05 PM |
@SophiaMav @Shaunwilden @naomishema A range of English varieties? #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:05 PM |
@TyKendall Me too though I have wobbled a bit #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:05 PM |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat International English http://t.co/7z6Po2hq |
Marisa_C |
9:06 PM |
@Shaunwilden I know it also as Standard English, the official variety which is compehensible to all #eltchat |
hartle |
9:06 PM |
#eltchat I think acceptance of different usages important but impossible to teach. 2many varieties |
TyKendall |
9:06 PM |
#ELTCHAT do students actually want ELF? Most students I meet want to learn/speak American English (some want British, but a minority) |
SueAnnan |
9:06 PM |
I have many Czech students. The world will not end if they don't use articles IMO.#ELTChat |
Shaunwilden |
9:06 PM |
@Marisa_C that wiki page defines it in so many ways from ELF to common #eltchat |
hartle |
9:07 PM |
#eltchat so this means encouraging learners to search for own "English identity" not teaching a mythical "Globlish" |
Marisa_C |
9:07 PM |
RT @hartle: #eltchat I think acceptance of different usages important but impossible to teach. 2many varieties > depends on level & focus? |
DinaDobrou |
9:07 PM |
@leoselivan ELF=Language used by ppl who don't share the same 1st language. #ELTchat |
jankenb2 |
9:07 PM |
#eltchat @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan I don't know if it can be called a belief. It's a perspective on curriculum perhaps but not a good/bad issue |
Shaunwilden |
9:07 PM |
@SueAnnan They never will give up trying to get them to :-) #eltchat |
TyKendall |
9:07 PM |
@SueAnnan #ELTCHAT but should we not teach articles then? |
DinaDobrou |
9:08 PM |
@TyKendall But most if not all will eventually have to deal with a variety of Englishes/accents etc. Shld b able to cope. #ELTchat |
naomishema |
9:08 PM |
What do you do with spelling? Do you introduce both "color" and "colour" together? #eltchat |
elawassell |
9:08 PM |
http://t.co/pRsD2274 - Robin Walker's talk - which variety of ENG to tch #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:08 PM |
@TyKendall I think it depends on what they need English for #ELTCHAT |
Shaunwilden |
9:08 PM |
@Marisa_C I've heard it used in many ways hence my asking #eltchat |
eLeafy |
9:08 PM |
The term"International English"made me lose points at an exam back in uni. Clearly the lecturer didn't think there was such a thing #eltchat |
EdPegg |
9:08 PM |
international english differs from ELF in that it focuses on cross cultural performance rather than describing what NNS do #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:08 PM |
my tweetdeck is all over the place #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:08 PM |
Hey @chiasuan are you around for tonight's #eltchat on ELF? |
SueAnnan |
9:08 PM |
@TyKendall On my side of the pond they want British English, but some of what we teach certainly depends on student needs #ELTCHAT |
Shaunwilden |
9:09 PM |
Shouldn't we just teach the one we know? #eltchat |
Noreen_Lam |
9:09 PM |
I made it! Great topic tonight! :) Sometimes as a non-Brit, I feel like I'm the "int'l Eng" person... #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:09 PM |
So what variety do each of you teach A.the coursebook? B. your own regional variety C. So called Standard English? #ELTchat |
TyKendall |
9:09 PM |
#ELTCHAT ...maybe not Jamaican though |
SueAnnan |
9:09 PM |
@Shaunwilden Yes He's impressive #eltchat |
TyKendall |
9:09 PM |
#ELTCHAT I think if you are familiar with either British or American English, you should be able to handle pretty much any variety |
Shaunwilden |
9:09 PM |
@elawassell I saw him speak ealrier this year he made me wobble on my beliefs #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:10 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Shouldn't we just teach the one we know? #eltchat |
hartle |
9:10 PM |
RT @naomishema: What do you do with spelling? #eltchat this confuses my stds. Teachers tell thm Use 1 type: but difficult for them 2 know |
EdPegg |
9:10 PM |
international English focuses on cross cultural communication, not a particular variety of English #eltchat |
SophiaMav |
9:10 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: So what variety do each of you teach A.the coursebook? B. your own regional variety C. So called Standard English? #ELTchat |
jankenb2 |
9:10 PM |
@hartle #eltchat A teacher never compromises on standards but may set fewer goals. I try 2 create meaningful learning expers 2 max Ss lrning |
DinaDobrou |
9:10 PM |
RT @EdPegg: international english differs from ELF in that it focuses on cross cultural performance rather than describing what NNS do #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:10 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Shouldn't we just teach the one we know? #eltchat |
HowDoWeFeel |
9:10 PM |
RT @Noreen_Lam I made it! Great topic tonight! :) Sometimes as a non-Brit, I feel like I'm the "int'l Eng" person... #eltchat |
leoselivan |
9:10 PM |
@eLeafy lose marks? why didnt you show him David Crystal's articles? Jenkins? #eltchat |
DinaDobrou |
9:10 PM |
@Marisa_C mine is slow I think. #ELTchat |
DinaDobrou |
9:10 PM |
@Marisa_C mine is slow I think. #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:10 PM |
RT @TyKendall: #ELTCHAT I think if U R familiar w/ either British or American English, U shld B able 2 handle pretty much any variety |
Shaunwilden |
9:11 PM |
@Marisa_C Well think knowldge always makes u a better tchr but it still boils down to teaching the one you know #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:11 PM |
@hartle I like the idea of own identity through language - called one's own idiolect #eltchat |
DinaDobrou |
9:11 PM |
@EdPegg Global commerce has also contributed to focus on cultural performance. BE depends on 'globish' #ELTchat |
SophiaMav |
9:11 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: As a NNEST teacher, is it possible to be aware of all varieties? #eltchat and is it useful? #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:11 PM |
RT @jimscriv: If I taught International English I'd be teaching a foreign language that I don't know #eltchat |
leoselivan |
9:11 PM |
@DinaDobrou yes i know what ELF is but the question is wherther ELF and Intl Eng are the same thing? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:11 PM |
RT @hartle: #eltchat so this means encouraging learners to search for own "English identity" not teaching a mythical "Globlish" |
elawassell |
9:11 PM |
RT @SueAnnan:@TyKendall it depends wht they need English for - ESOL Ss living in Yorkshire may benefit frm learning yorkshire accnt #ELTchat |
jimscriv |
9:11 PM |
If I taught International English I'd be teaching a foreign language that I don't know #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:12 PM |
@SueAnnan @TyKendall I'd beg2differ.If u knw UK or USA English,u'd still struggle w varieties e.g. Singlish.Plus,What's UK English? #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:12 PM |
@hartle I'm American but my students use a British dictionary, the different spelling comes up. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:12 PM |
RT @chiasuan: I'd beg to differ. If u know UK or USA English, u'd still struggle w varieties e.g. Singlish. Plus, What's UK Eng? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:12 PM |
RT @TyKendall: #ELTCHAT I'm not sure even a NS is familiar with all varieties! @Marisa_C > Exactly and what use? |
leoselivan |
9:12 PM |
@Marisa_C no and there is no need as @SueAnnan said being familiar with Br and Am varieties should be enought #eltchat |
hartle |
9:12 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: So what variety do each of you teach? #ELTchat I teach according to learner need... Use my own version but slso corpora etc. |
SueAnnan |
9:12 PM |
@elawassell Accent is no different- it's just pronunciation. More prob with dialect #ELTchat |
TyKendall |
9:12 PM |
#ELTCHAT I'm not sure even a NS is familiar with all varieties! @Marisa_C |
chiasuan |
9:13 PM |
@Marisa_C @TyKendall I don't think the idea is to make learners learn ALL the varieties. But exposure is always good. #eltchat |
TyKendall |
9:13 PM |
#ELTCHAT @chiasuan perhaps, but no offence, I've never had a student ask me to prepare them for understanding Singlish! |
jimscriv |
9:13 PM |
I can't "teach" US English myself - all I can do is point out features, spellings etc that I've heard about or read about #eltchat |
TyKendall |
9:14 PM |
#ELTCHAT @Shaunwilden depends what the Ss want I suppose |
jimscriv |
9:14 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: I have many Czech students. The world will not end if they don't use articles IMO.#ELTChat |
Shaunwilden |
9:14 PM |
@chiasuan @Marisa_C @TyKendall is wide exposure good for sts or confusing? #eltchat |
Timek |
9:14 PM |
I researched ELF with my students and asked them what parts of English they did not consider important in ELF communucations #eltchat |
hartle |
9:14 PM |
RT @jankenb2: #eltchat Hmm, feser goals frm teacher ok. But learners tend to set thr own goals... Hopefully :-) |
Shaunwilden |
9:15 PM |
@SueAnnan well yes, i was merely disagreeing we should simply teach them all varieties:-) #eltchat |
leoselivan |
9:15 PM |
pertinent to our chat is report commissioned by BC which shows that 75% of exchanges in Eng take place btw NNS http://t.co/cMXSHbHT #eltchat |
hartle |
9:15 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @hartle I like the idea of own identity.. #eltchat Yes, I encourage stds to "take possession" pf expressions they like, a lot. |
chiasuan |
9:15 PM |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C @TyKendall I think that's like saying 'All the grammar of English - good or confusing?' #eltchat |
Noreen_Lam |
9:15 PM |
RT @shaunwilden Shouldn't we just teach the one we know? >Yes! CBs set stds--we have to show ss diffs btw those & Globish. #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:15 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @chiasuan @Marisa_C @TyKendall is wide exposure good for sts or confusing? #eltchat> depends on level of SS! |
SueAnnan |
9:15 PM |
@Shaunwilden depends on needs #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:16 PM |
So, it looks like we should differentiate between comprehension and production #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:16 PM |
@chiasuan @Marisa_C @TyKendall I just think we have to be careful with not overloading #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:16 PM |
@Shaunwilden @SueAnnan Ah hah...it depends on what we mean by 'teach'. If that means doing some listening work, then why not? #eltchat |
EdPegg |
9:16 PM |
@naomishema @Shaunwilden @chiasuan @Marisa_C @TyKendall the level and the needs of the learner #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:16 PM |
@Shaunwilden I'm with you on that. However sometimes our students need other varieties for work and we need to deliver #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:16 PM |
I find that struggling learners feel pressured with too many varieties when they are struggling just to get 1 option down! #eltchat |
Timek |
9:16 PM |
The main "non-core" features were Articles, preposition usage and certain Tense distinctions, eg past simple v present perfect #eltchat |
TyKendall |
9:16 PM |
#ELTCHAT @leoselivan I've never liked this "statistic", I think it's impossible to verify or reaaaally quantify |
chiasuan |
9:16 PM |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C @TyKendall What I mean is exposure can be helpful so as to sensitise learners' ears & familiarise them. #eltchat |
elawassell |
9:16 PM |
RT @naomishema: RT @Shaunwilden: Shouldnt we just teach the one we know? #ELTchat |
esolamin |
9:17 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: So, it looks like we should differentiate between comprehension and production #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:17 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: So, it looks like we should differentiate between comprehension and production #eltchat I agree |
vmorgana |
9:17 PM |
RT@jimscriv:I can't "teach" US English myself-all I can do is point out features, spellings etc that I've heard about or read about #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:17 PM |
Seems like theres a big difference between EFL & ESL here. In EFL, local varieties are interesting culturally but not really useful #eltchat |
elawassell |
9:17 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: So, it looks like we should differentiate between comprehension and production #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:17 PM |
@chiasuan exactly #eltchat |
SophiaMav |
9:17 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: So, it looks like we should differentiate between comprehension and production #ELTchat |
Tamkirja |
9:17 PM |
#eltchat I go for "my" english - doesn't have to be categorised as international or where you are from |
Marisa_C |
9:17 PM |
RT @naomishema: struggling learners feel pressured with too many varieties when they are struggling just to get 1 option down! #eltchat |
steve_muir |
9:17 PM |
I stick to what I know. Am often asked Qus I can't answer about US English. Impossible to teach (&learn) all varieties! #ELTchat |
naomishema |
9:17 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: So, it looks like we should differentiate between comprehension and production #eltchat |
Timek |
9:17 PM |
I deal with BE students who have a v. pragmatic attitude to English - "English is a tool I use for communication" is what one said #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:17 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: So, it looks like we should differentiate between comprehension and production #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:18 PM |
@elawassell @Marisa_C Oh we should definitely differentiate btwn language learnt for receptive and productive purposes. #eltchat |
TyKendall |
9:18 PM |
#ELTCHAT I can't remember where I read it, but I remember someone describing "vehicular English" as not being able to be driven that far! |
hartle |
9:18 PM |
#eltchat Global English not really abt NS varities, I think, more abt encouraging learners to be proud of "their English" . |
leoselivan |
9:18 PM |
@phil3wade will reply after #eltchat :) |
Shaunwilden |
9:18 PM |
@chiasuan @SueAnnan Yes agreed, exposure in that way is a necessary #eltchat |
Timek |
9:18 PM |
and what matters for them is to achieve successful negotiation of meaning and mutual understanding. #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:18 PM |
@Shaunwilden I just find tht very often my learners find an accent strong bcoz they r not used2it. So some listenin practice helps. #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:18 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: Seems like theres a big difference between EFL & ESL here. In EFL, local varieties are interesting culturally but not really useful #eltchat |
elawassell |
9:19 PM |
RT@chiasuan:I just find tht very often my learners find an accent strong bcoz they r not used2it. So some listenin practice helps. #ELTchat |
leoselivan |
9:19 PM |
@TyKendall but it makes sense . If you teach outside UK ask your Ss who they normally speak to in Eng #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:19 PM |
@Marisa_C Yes, I'd agree with that. If my student is going to work in SE Asia, I'd expose them to the accents from that region. #eltchat |
Timek |
9:19 PM |
However they still generally want SE as a Model from the T so I agree that you need to separate production from comprehension #eltchat |
TyKendall |
9:19 PM |
#ELTCHAT oooh my cat has decided to wake up and demand some love....... |
hartle |
9:19 PM |
#eltchat awareness of learner's English doesn't mean total lack of correction tho' whch wd be a disservice to learners who want the norm 2 |
Marisa_C |
9:19 PM |
RT @eLeafy: Don't you think that Standard English is already a part of International English? #eltchat > I do yes |
eLeafy |
9:19 PM |
Don't you think that Standard English is already a part of International English? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:19 PM |
@chiasuan One of my students needed exposure to the Manchester accent :-) #eltchat |
jankenb2 |
9:20 PM |
@Shaunwilden @chiasuan #eltchat Is the vernacular the end goal of teaching English? Better to aim 4 comprehensible output & academic Eng. |
jimscriv |
9:20 PM |
I've never met a student whose ambition was to learn an "impoverished" version of English - but maybe that reflects the sts I meet. #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:20 PM |
@hartle There is that part of ELF too. Allowing learners to take pride in the identity that they portray thru their English. #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:20 PM |
RT @hartle: #eltchat Global English not really abt NS varities, I think, more abt encouraging learners to be proud of "their English" . |
Marisa_C |
9:20 PM |
Also so many tools online these days where you/.your Ss can find/hear what other varieties sound like #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:20 PM |
@eannegrenoble Hi Elizabeth #ELTchat |
eannegrenoble |
9:20 PM |
RT @elawassell: http://t.co/SM3qnj7P - Robin Walker's talk - which variety of ENG to tch #ELTchat >> a total MUST this one (evening all) |
chiasuan |
9:21 PM |
@jimscriv But I think that is a often misunderstood view of ELF...that it's dumbed down. Jazz dance isn't dumbed down ballet. #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:21 PM |
@jimscriv But I think that is a often misunderstood view of ELF...that it's dumbed down. Jazz dance isn't dumbed down ballet. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:21 PM |
@Marisa_C and some vocabulary too #Eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:21 PM |
@Marisa_C and some vocabulary too #Eltchat |
hartle |
9:21 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @chiasuan #eltchat I agree, we shd definitely teach the variety learners need, so Manchester in Man. And Indian in India.. |
hartle |
9:21 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @chiasuan #eltchat I agree, we shd definitely teach the variety learners need, so Manchester in Man. And Indian in India.. |
designerlessons |
9:21 PM |
@elawassell @chiasuan agreed. Learners should never get comfortable with one accent, or they'll struggle outside the classroom #eltchat |
designerlessons |
9:21 PM |
@elawassell @chiasuan agreed. Learners should never get comfortable with one accent, or they'll struggle outside the classroom #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:21 PM |
@jankenb2 @chiasuan not sure i agree that it is #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:21 PM |
@jankenb2 @chiasuan not sure i agree that it is #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:21 PM |
Most regional varieties differ mainly in the pronunciation and less on grammar #Eltchat |
DinaDobrou |
9:21 PM |
@Marisa_C I started w/ Aussie Engl. at age 5 then had Engl/Amer/Scot teachers, but still can't say I know all varet. Can cope, tho #ELTchat |
TyKendall |
9:21 PM |
@leoselivan #ELTCHAT it makes more sense if you don't take into account the QUALITY of the language, only quantity...and even then.... |
Shaunwilden |
9:21 PM |
RT @jimscriv: I've never met a student whose ambition was to learn an "impoverished" version of English - but maybe that reflects the sts I meet. #eltchat |
Noreen_Lam |
9:22 PM |
Many ss want Eng 4 travel so exposure 2diff accents v imp. List practice def--ss often ask 4 it but any1 know good resources? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:22 PM |
In Glasgow there was very little vocab which phased me - once i got used to the accent I could deal with most #ELTchat |
leoselivan |
9:22 PM |
shouldn't we as Ts be vehicles who help Ss gain access to the variety of Eng they want to learn rather than try to embody one? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:22 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @Marisa_C and some vocabulary too #Eltchat > yes but not thaaaat much as most people think |
SueAnnan |
9:22 PM |
@hartle Manchester in Jersey :-) #eltchat |
DinaDobrou |
9:22 PM |
@Marisa_C It's useful to be able to cope with at least Brit/Amer. varieties if you have to teach exam prep classes. #ELTchat |
EdPegg |
9:22 PM |
@jimscriv what about learners who 'just want to do a job?' #eltchat |
DinaDobrou |
9:22 PM |
@Marisa_C It's useful to be able to cope with at least Brit/Amer. varieties if you have to teach exam prep classes. #ELTchat |
EdPegg |
9:22 PM |
@jimscriv what about learners who 'just want to do a job?' #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:23 PM |
@jankenb2 @Shaunwilden Plus, how would you define the vernacular... It's a minefield, sociolinguistically speaking. #eltchat |
Timek |
9:23 PM |
Even if we decide to teach SE as a production model, what approach to Pragmatics do we take? Do we teach NS-based? #eltchat |
leoselivan |
9:23 PM |
@TyKendall I was referring to Quantity - not much of a believer in ELF myself here :) #eltchat |
elawassell |
9:23 PM |
RT @DinaDobrou: @Marisa_C Its useful to be able to cope with at least Brit/Amer. varieties if you have to teach exam prep classes. #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:23 PM |
@Marisa_C I can't always. LOL I'm from Edinburgh #ELTchat |
chiasuan |
9:23 PM |
@jankenb2 @Shaunwilden Academic English in Academia is great. But Academic English on FB or Twitter is just odd or pompous. #eltchat |
jimscriv |
9:23 PM |
@chiasuan Jazz Dance isn't the right metaphor perhaps. That is also an art form. But ELF is a reduced language. #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:24 PM |
@jimscriv I know that was the view of ELF, esp when Siedlhofer & Jenkins spoke abt the Lingua Franca Core... #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:24 PM |
RT @leoselivan: @Marisa_C lots of wee chats with Glaswegian taxi drivers? :) #eltchat > Yess :-D |
hartle |
9:24 PM |
RT @chiasuan: @jimscriv ...#eltchat. I agree, not dumbed down but more abt respecting usage, and describing usage than prescribing 1 variety |
jimscriv |
9:24 PM |
@EdPegg Yes - I do see that. I can imagine that a reduced form of English may be enough for many. .just not learnrs I tend to see #eltchat |
leoselivan |
9:24 PM |
@Marisa_C lots of wee chats with Glaswegian taxi drivers? :) #eltchat |
jimscriv |
9:25 PM |
Pronunciation is an interesting area. Eg do we need to teach weak forms, elision etc #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:25 PM |
RT @pavlamilerski: David Crystal on bringing global Eng to sts- the difference betw tching production and tching comprehention http://t.co/A0Xth6RB #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:25 PM |
@jimscriv Now, ELF is about accommodation strategies, collaborative competence (Dewey) and adapting to our interlocutors. #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:25 PM |
Literature is a source of exposure - am teaching "Thank you Ma'm" which uses vernacular #eltchat |
pavlamilerski |
9:25 PM |
David Crystal on bringing global Eng to sts- the difference betw tching production and tching comprehention http://t.co/A0Xth6RB #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:25 PM |
@chiasuan but the common core of language been around for a lot longer that this - not a new concept #eltchat |
designerlessons |
9:25 PM |
@jimscriv agreed, or they'd buy a phrasebook. Even if they don't reach the seemingly unattainable proficiency, they should aim high #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:25 PM |
@Marisa_C @jimscriv I wouldn't teach ELF but I might accept some of its features depending on the need of my students #eltchat |
EdPegg |
9:26 PM |
@chiasuan @jimscriv we should stop talking about the lingua franca core, it's not helpful #eltchat |
SophiaMav |
9:26 PM |
RT @jimscriv: Pronunciation is an interesting area. Eg do we need to teach weak forms, elision etc #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:26 PM |
@jimscriv If we don't our students have listening difficulties #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:26 PM |
@leoselivan @chiasuan @jimscriv extreme? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:26 PM |
RT @pavlamilerski: David Crystal on bringing global Eng to sts- production vs comprehention http://t.co/oswhuNzb #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:26 PM |
@Marisa_C But a language has never had a position like English has now...with the internet and global trade cementing its role. #eltchat |
eprofessoruk |
9:26 PM |
Integrating colloquial English is not a negative but a fundamental of a rounded learning experience #eltchat |
harrisonmike |
9:26 PM |
@hartle Italish? #eltchat |
Timek |
9:26 PM |
A problem is that coursebooks are still v. much based on a pure NS-based model for functions, such as requesting, etc. #eltchat |
jimscriv |
9:26 PM |
RT @chiasuan: @jimscriv Now, ELF is about accommodation strategies, collaborative competence (Dewey) and adapting to our interlocutors. #eltchat |
EdPegg |
9:26 PM |
@jimscriv and then there's the opposite. Learners who have a 'get the job done' approach but need more sophisticated language #eltchat |
leoselivan |
9:26 PM |
@chiasuan @jimscriv but dont you think that Siedlhofer & Jenkins take a rather extreme position? #eltchat |
DinaDobrou |
9:26 PM |
@SueAnnan @Shaunwilden Work or studies. If a st has 2 study at uni in Brighton or Manchester or Scotland? #ELTchat |
jimscriv |
9:27 PM |
@eprofessoruk But WHOSE colloquial English? #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:27 PM |
@EdPegg @jimscriv I think the label 'Lingua Franca Core' is prone to misunderstanding, although Robin Walker uses it well for pron. #eltchat |
SophiaMav |
9:27 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @eprofessoruk: Integrating colloquial English is not a negative but a fundamental of a rounded learning experience #ELTchat |
designerlessons |
9:27 PM |
RT @eprofessoruk: Integrating colloquial English is not a negative but a fundamental of a rounded learning experience #eltchat |
EdPegg |
9:27 PM |
@Timek people have tried non native model C?B but they don't sell #eltchat |
harrisonmike |
9:27 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @eprofessoruk: Integrating colloquial English is not a negative but a fundamental of a rounded learning experience #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:27 PM |
@jimscriv I think its abt prioritising wht we teach.Just2 throw a spanner in2 the works,Singaporean English doesn't use weak forms. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:27 PM |
RT @eprofessoruk: Integrating colloquial English is not a negative but a fundamental of a rounded learning experience #eltchat |
hartle |
9:27 PM |
#ELTchat my learners tend to want to know "what is right", but they are uni. students studying languages |
jankenb2 |
9:27 PM |
@hartle #eltchat Good point. We need to sharpen our skills in redirecting unacceptable usage towards acceptable w/o Ss feeling inadequate. |
SueAnnan |
9:27 PM |
@DinaDobrou Standard for academia #ELTchat |
DinaDobrou |
9:28 PM |
RT @vmorgana: RT@jimscriv:I can't "teach" US English myself-all I can do is point out features, spellings etc that I've heard about or read about #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:28 PM |
@DinaDobrou My student needs it on the phone for work #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:28 PM |
@chiasuan @jimscriv But surely if we worried about all the different variations of stress we'd get nowhere #eltchat |
hartle |
9:28 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: @hartle Italish? #eltchat like it :-) |
SophiaMav |
9:28 PM |
RT @jimscriv: @eprofessoruk But WHOSE colloquial English? #ELTchat |
Timek |
9:28 PM |
ELF is primarily about NNS-NNS comms, in an intercultural context, so the NS-based pragmatics may be overkill for their needs #eltchat |
DinaDobrou |
9:28 PM |
@SueAnnan True, I was referring to life in that place as well. Some exposure will make it easier for st to adapt. #ELTchat |
leoselivan |
9:28 PM |
@Shaunwilden @chiasuan @jimscriv very tolerant of inaccuracy in favour of comprehansibility - what a long word! 17 chars gone! :) #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:28 PM |
@chiasuan bu why would I teach a S Singaporean English but receptively? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:29 PM |
@leoselivan I'm not sure that it too extreme though I do disagree with a lot of they have written #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:29 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Fundamental question is 2 ASK R Ss if they wish 2 blend productively in2 the community as well as B able 2 understand #Eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:29 PM |
@hartle @jimscriv Why not?Shouldn't enhancin our learners accommodatn, collaborative & communicative competence be part of our job? #eltchat |
DinaDobrou |
9:29 PM |
RT @chiasuan: @Shaunwilden I just find tht very often my learners find an accent strong bcoz they r not used2it. So some listenin practice helps. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:29 PM |
Fundamental question is to ASK our Ss if they wish to blend productively into the community as well as be able to understand #Eltchat |
leoselivan |
9:29 PM |
we should also think about receptive vs productive. Perhaps Ss need to be exposed to varieties of Eng but not expected to produce #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:30 PM |
@Shaunwilden @jimscriv 1st of all, weak forms & stress r slightly different. Prominence & word stress do affect intelligibility. #eltchat |
jimscriv |
9:30 PM |
(Oh dear - I should be working and I find myself #eltchat -ting again!) |
EdPegg |
9:30 PM |
RT @chiasuan: @hartle @jimscriv Why not?Shouldn't enhancin our learners accommodatn, collaborative & communicative competence be part of our job? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:30 PM |
RT @jimscriv: @chiasuan I'm very convinced by the need to help communication between speakers from different contexts . #eltchat |
EdPegg |
9:30 PM |
@Timek but pragmatics is just about that - understanding how you're meaning differs from others #eltchat |
DinaDobrou |
9:30 PM |
RT @leoselivan: @TyKendall but it makes sense . If you teach outside UK ask your Ss who they normally speak to in Eng #eltchat |
jimscriv |
9:30 PM |
@chiasuan I'm very convinced by the need to help communication between speakers from different contexts . #eltchat |
esolamin |
9:30 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @Marisa_C @jimscriv I wouldn't teach ELF but I might accept some of its features depending on the need of my students #eltchat |
elawassell |
9:31 PM |
RT @jimscriv:Eg do we need to teach weak forms, elision etc <-I do teach ABOUT it! more for comprehension than production though. #ELTchat |
chiasuan |
9:31 PM |
@Marisa_C But don't we say teach the English we speak? So just to play Devil's Advocate, I used to speak Singaporean English..so... #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:31 PM |
@NickCoxinPurley But your Asian is not Czech. The needs of the student is different#ELTchat |
jankenb2 |
9:31 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: RT @jimscriv: @chiasuan I'm very convinced by the need to help communication between speakers from different contexts . #eltchat |
Timek |
9:31 PM |
@EdPegg yes but I was thinking about something like Global, for example, which isn't so much focused on ENL culture but EIL usage #eltchat |
jankenb2 |
9:31 PM |
@Marisa_C @eprofessoruk #eltchat above all language is art.Toying w/language & knowing what form is at play is deepening Ss understnd of Eng |
leoselivan |
9:31 PM |
@jimscriv talking about reduced language. I vaguely remember 1500 words figure mentioned by smbd do you know who it was? #eltchat |
hartle |
9:31 PM |
#ELTchat discussed this with my stds. All very happy at prospect of losing uncountable "information", and 3rd person "s" but still (cont.). |
DinaDobrou |
9:32 PM |
RT @leoselivan: shouldn't we as Ts be vehicles who help Ss gain access to the variety of Eng they want to learn rather than try to embody one? #eltchat |
TyKendall |
9:32 PM |
#ELTCHAT what annoys me is when you get accused of "cultural imperialism" when you want to teach your own variety...Long live the empire! |
Marisa_C |
9:32 PM |
@chiasuan So would you be able to work at IH if that was the variety you taught all your Ss? Be interested to know :-D #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:32 PM |
@leoselivan A lot of the what we should teach for starters #eltchat |
SophiaMav |
9:32 PM |
What about young learners? Shouldn't we expose them to a variety of Englishes as well? #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:32 PM |
@elawassell me too #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:32 PM |
@chiasuan I am not arguing that more that we should stop over thinking it, sorry for being too simplistic perhaps #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:33 PM |
@Shaunwilden @jimscriv But teachers like urselves r already prioritisin useful lang & helpin learners w communicative competence #eltchat |
eprofessoruk |
9:33 PM |
“@jimscriv: But WHOSE colloquial English? #eltchat†Yours, the environment you teach in and the environment your learners exist in now/next |
DinaDobrou |
9:33 PM |
@jimscriv @chiasuan Would that be because we're trying to teach "a bit of everything"? #ELTchat |
EdPegg |
9:33 PM |
@Timek don't think that matters. Pragmatics is huge in Japan where they study in English to inform themselves on Japanese language #eltchat |
EdPegg |
9:33 PM |
@Timek don't think that matters. Pragmatics is huge in Japan where they study in English to inform themselves on Japanese language #eltchat |
hartle |
9:33 PM |
RT @Noreen_Lam: @hartle Being proud of their accent? #eltchat No, also proud of their lexicon, range of grammar, discourse etc. |
eannegrenoble |
9:33 PM |
RT @leoselivan: @jimscriv talking about reduced language. Ogden's "Basic English" (1930) has 800 wds #eltchat |
jimscriv |
9:33 PM |
When I worked in Kenya the teachers joked: "Are you come for table?" "No, I am come for tea". Local stress/grammar. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:33 PM |
@NickCoxinPurley If you use the hashtag, it would be great for you to join in ELTchat |
leoselivan |
9:33 PM |
@elawassell definitely teach weak forms, elision etc but what does it have to do with Intl' Eng? #eltchat |
SophiaMav |
9:34 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: I dont think there is anyone here who thinks less of one variety over another #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:34 PM |
@Marisa_C absolutely not #ELTchat |
elawassell |
9:34 PM |
@leoselivan I just answered Jim's question. |
Timek |
9:34 PM |
@EdPegg yes, Pragmatics is meaning in context + ELF users may wish to convey meaning without using the same degree of indirectness #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:34 PM |
I don't think there is anyone here who thinks less of one variety over another #ELTchat |
DinaDobrou |
9:34 PM |
@SueAnnan That's even more difficult. Lip reading not there to help. Have same prob with my BE sts. #ELTchat |
leoselivan |
9:34 PM |
@TyKendall LOL I know what you mean whereas if you were teaching some obscure variety you would be praised for diversity and stuff #eltchat |
NickCoxinPurley |
9:35 PM |
@SueAnnan Agreed. Also think it helps speed of speech #eltchat |
leoselivan |
9:35 PM |
@elawassell yes I know ... oh sorry didn't include him in the reply but anyway he is ignoring my comments & Qs :) #eltchat |
DinaDobrou |
9:35 PM |
RT @pavlamilerski: David Crystal on bringing global Eng to sts- the difference betw tching production and tching comprehention http://t.co/A0Xth6RB #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:35 PM |
@chiasuan teaching or pointing out where relevant? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:35 PM |
However, I declare I don't know my own variety #ELTchat - as a NNEST how am I supposed to choose ? |
elawassell |
9:35 PM |
:-)RT @Marisa_C: I dont think there is anyone here who thinks less of one variety over another #ELTchat |
naomishema |
9:35 PM |
RT @chiasuan: @Shaunwilden @jimscriv It's the teachers who r blindly spendin hrs teaching uncount, articles, weak forms tht need to hear abt ELF. #eltchat |
jimscriv |
9:35 PM |
@chiasuan That might be me .... #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:35 PM |
@DinaDobrou Yep. The BBC archive is an excellent source though #ELTchat |
chiasuan |
9:35 PM |
@Shaunwilden @jimscriv It's the teachers who r blindly spendin hrs teaching uncount, articles, weak forms tht need to hear abt ELF. #eltchat |
TyKendall |
9:35 PM |
#ELTCHAT @Marisa_C Well maybe a little bit..... :-) :-) |
chiasuan |
9:36 PM |
@Marisa_C I agree that the real world is harsh, but that's why more people outside TEFL need to realise the realities of ELF. #eltchat |
SophiaMav |
9:36 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: However, I declare I dont know my own variety #ELTchat - as a NNEST how am I supposed to choose ? > good point! #ELTchat |
jimscriv |
9:36 PM |
@Marisa_C In the 80's in Moscow the Professors at MGU considered they spoke a better version of British English than the British #eltchat |
Timek |
9:36 PM |
When does an error become an innovation? I think that 'trainings' has already attained the status of a word in ELF! #eltchat |
TyKendall |
9:36 PM |
#ELTCHAT @Marisa_C Whichever one you identify with/aspire to imitate....or maybe you are a law unto yourself :-) |
EdPegg |
9:36 PM |
@Timek agree but what about interacting with others, how direct does you're meaning need to be? For me, that is int'l English #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:37 PM |
@SueAnnan No harm pointin out at all.But honestly,I've seen2many teachers spendin time on things tht do not affect anything at all. #eltchat |
jimscriv |
9:37 PM |
@leoselivan It's flying past very fast. No snub intended! #eltchat |
hartle |
9:37 PM |
#eltchat sorry, slow connection... Italian stds when confronted with "Ialianish" (street vendor Italian) all horrified: say: Wrong!! |
SueAnnan |
9:37 PM |
@chiasuan Yes but nothing will change until you get exam boards with you #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:37 PM |
@TyKendall #ELTCHAT I wish!!!! : :-D But I don't think that you need ELF instruction to communicate with me :-) |
Marisa_C |
9:38 PM |
@jimscriv Lol!!!! And were they right perchance? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:38 PM |
@chiasuan Yes, I agree that sometimes we are banging heads for no good reason #eltchat |
jankenb2 |
9:38 PM |
@SophiaMav #eltchat I believe we shld focus young on acquring the highest level of AE. AE will serve them best & c/b applied 2 conver Eng 2 |
DinaDobrou |
9:38 PM |
RT @Timek: ELF is primarily about NNS-NNS comms, in an intercultural context, so the NS-based pragmatics may be overkill for their needs #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:38 PM |
@chiasuan #eltchat I think - with all due respect - that not all people are as hot on ELF as you or others may be |
chiasuan |
9:39 PM |
@SueAnnan I have a Korean st who was penalisd coz of her strong Korean accent.U wouldn't penalise some1 w a strng Australian accnt? #eltchat |
leoselivan |
9:39 PM |
another interesting blog post related to our chat http://t.co/PQ6HPgW3 via @hoprea #eltchat |
hartle |
9:39 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @chiasuan Yes but nothing will change... #eltchat yes, a lot of "lip service" but not much credit, really. |
leoselivan |
9:39 PM |
@jimscriv no prob - I barely manage to keep up myself here :) the more ppl join the harder it gets #eltchat |
eannegrenoble |
9:39 PM |
@hartle that why the sst need to "understand" that ELF is acceptable #eltchat #eltchat |
jimscriv |
9:39 PM |
@chiasuan But those things are important parts of someone's language! #eltchat |
DinaDobrou |
9:39 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Fundamental question is to ASK our Ss if they wish to blend productively into the community as well as be able to understand #Eltchat |
leoselivan |
9:40 PM |
as P Ur once said (don't remember exact quote) it's ok if Ss speak Globish but we are Ts so we should be teaching English #eltchat |
TyKendall |
9:40 PM |
RT @jimscriv: @chiasuan But those things are important parts of someone's language! #eltchat INDEED! http://t.co/DxzvQLMX - good article |
Marisa_C |
9:40 PM |
@jimscriv Ow you lazy people _ I have noticed that too by the way :-D #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:40 PM |
@Marisa_C Not expecting pple to be hot on ELF. Just hope for some common sense frm teachers when picking what is useful for sts. #eltchat |
thejamesabroad |
9:40 PM |
Seems to me that the so-called models of Eng whether US, Br or other have little relation to the language that is actually used. #eltchat |
jimscriv |
9:40 PM |
@Marisa_C They told me to my face that we had let standards slip and did things too lazily now! They spoke "Queen 1953" English #eltchat |
jankenb2 |
9:40 PM |
@chiasuan @SueAnnan #eltchat This is one reason why #dogme has such a strong following. Authentic learning is on via authentic instruction. |
naomishema |
9:40 PM |
RT @leoselivan: another interesting blog post related to our chat http://t.co/PQ6HPgW3 via @hoprea #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:40 PM |
@chiasuan LOL #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:41 PM |
@jimscriv But you wouldn't spend half your classroom time on them though, would you? #eltchat |
Timek |
9:41 PM |
@jimscriv @chiasuan yet in an ESP context, each ESP is actually a kind of EIL w/ a shared lexis which is international in scope #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:41 PM |
@chiasuan when did you last say either of those things? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:41 PM |
@chiasuan #eltchat to come back to ELF - it's high demand teaching that not all Ts able to or willing to commit to #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:41 PM |
@harrisonmike and what conclusion did they reach? #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:41 PM |
@Marisa_C I swear I saw a teacher recently who taught 'raining cats & dogs' and a book that taught int students 'knackered'. #eltchat |
harrisonmike |
9:41 PM |
@chiasuan @SueAnnan IELTS examiners were discussing this one weekend- how native speakers w/strong regional variety of Eng do badly #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:42 PM |
@SueAnnan I do say 'knackered' but that only exists in UK English. No one else uses it. #eltchat |
jimscriv |
9:42 PM |
@chiasuan (looks sheepish and stares at the ground) #eltchat |
eannegrenoble |
9:42 PM |
RT @jimscriv: @Marisa_C They spoke "Queen 1953" English #eltchat >> You know she's changed as well ! heard that on the radio with examples |
DinaDobrou |
9:42 PM |
@SophiaMav Definitely, especially if, as @Marisa_C said, we want them to blend into the community. #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:42 PM |
@harrisonmike yes, That's what I've been saying #eltchat |
JoHart |
9:42 PM |
@chiasuan @SueAnnan Imho is abt comprehensibility to the majority of other Eng spkrs from all bckgrnds #ELTchat |
TyKendall |
9:42 PM |
#ELTCHAT @chiasuan what's wrong with "knackered"? Millions of NS say it. |
Shaunwilden |
9:42 PM |
@chiasuan @Marisa_C But sts like to learn idioms, least mine did cos they had a go at me for not teaching them #eltchat |
NickCoxinPurley |
9:42 PM |
#eltchat When Anglophones learn a foreign language, esp. EFL teachers, what standard do they aspire to? Even if unrealistic? |
jimscriv |
9:42 PM |
@chiasuan I've never really understood what's wrong with "cats and dogs". It has become an ELT cliche but it is often said #eltchat |
harrisonmike |
9:42 PM |
@SueAnnan IELTS is based on a view of a 'standard English' and deviations punished I think. #eltchat |
hartle |
9:42 PM |
RT @eannegrenoble: @hartle that why the sst need to "understand" #eltchat Yes, & shock approach part of process :-) |
chiasuan |
9:43 PM |
@jimscriv Cute Jim. Very cute. *wink* #eltchat |
elawassell |
9:43 PM |
@chiasuan A friend was told at th job interview that she should teach RP - her Mancunian accent not acceptable! #ELTchat |
leoselivan |
9:43 PM |
@harrisonmike @sueannan hmmm as IELTS examiner I can tell u it's more abt comprenesiviblity -that bloody long word ! 17 chars down! #eltchat |
jimscriv |
9:43 PM |
@eannegrenoble Yes - extraordinary actually - a vivid sign of class change over a short period of time. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:43 PM |
@theteacherjames of course #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:43 PM |
Personally, I believe this to be much more important in ESP and looking at professional registers #ELTchat |
chiasuan |
9:43 PM |
@Timek @jimscriv Agreed. That's why in Business English, ELF is like an assumed normality for most... #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:43 PM |
@chiasuan @SueAnnan Can't people see the difference between accent & pronunciation? Intelligibility & unintelligibly? Grrrrr. #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:44 PM |
@jimscriv Truth is we r all tryin2get sts & teachers away frm obsessing abt grammar.(I love grammar btw) And ELF just reaffirms it. #eltchat |
hartle |
9:44 PM |
#eltchat I think generally a lot more acceptance in English speaking world of variants. Accommodation the norm in business contexts... |
designerlessons |
9:44 PM |
ss centred classes, focusing on what Ss want to communicate - using a variety of approaches, accents, & global media is best IMHO a #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:44 PM |
@chiasuan saying the same thing with defferent vocabularies I think, after all :-D #eltchat |
Noreen_Lam |
9:44 PM |
@chiasuan So what does this say abt teaching of weak forms? Useful4 listg, even if many (most?)Eng spkrs now r "non-native", right? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:44 PM |
RT @JoHart: #ELTchat Depends wht meant by penalise 2 if not comprehensible 2 others in work group then may have safety risk |
leoselivan |
9:44 PM |
@theteacherjames @sueannan @harrisonmike intelligibility that's what I meant! :) #eltchat |
TyKendall |
9:44 PM |
#ELTCHAT @chiasuan but that's not a reason not to teach it, it exists nonetheless (and moreover, it's common) and I think US EN will underst |
JoHart |
9:44 PM |
@chiasuan @SueAnnan #ELTchat Depends what meant by penalise too if not comprehensible to others in work group then may have safety risk |
Marisa_C |
9:45 PM |
Do you actively teach the 'big' varieties to your Ss ? #ELTchat |
Timek |
9:45 PM |
That's Widdowson's view of EIL/ELF - it's really just a question of ESPs. This is true in terms of vocab, which is domain-specific #eltchat |
DinaDobrou |
9:45 PM |
@TyKendall With you Ty! I'm a Brit variety fan even if a NNEST. lol #ELTchat |
eannegrenoble |
9:45 PM |
@jimscriv Class? or language? - I was AMAZED at the estury English in Waterloo station on Ascot day - coming from beautiful hats! #eltchat |
jankenb2 |
9:45 PM |
#eltchat RT @SueAnnan: @harrisonmike & what conclusion did they reach? What was the consensus? Do I drop my US Midwest accent: & for what? |
SophiaMav |
9:45 PM |
RT @DinaDobrou: @SophiaMav Definitely, especially if, as @Marisa_C said, we want them to blend into the community > absolutely #ELTchat |
leoselivan |
9:46 PM |
@Marisa_C I often point out the differences which aren't that many - well not as many as some textbooks would have you believe #eltchat |
eLeafy |
9:46 PM |
@chiasuan yeah but then to be comprehensible ppl try 2 naturalize their accent.Whats the point when she speaks no1 can understand #eltchat |
eannegrenoble |
9:46 PM |
@Marisa_C Not actively teach, but that's what they learn #ELTchat |
eannegrenoble |
9:46 PM |
@Marisa_C Not actively teach, but that's what they learn #ELTchat |
pavlamilerski |
9:46 PM |
Eng global lg - consequences for the future development of the lg? interesting article from 1999 http://t.co/7RjjkYKp #ELTchat |
chiasuan |
9:46 PM |
@hartle Not everyone is good at accommodatn or cross-cultural issues.&as a teacher,we shld help learners b better communicators. #eltchat |
TyKendall |
9:46 PM |
#ELTCHAT @DinaDobrou thanks Dina! As a coincidence, I'm quite knackered now..... lol |
leoselivan |
9:47 PM |
@TyKendall @DinaDobrou good example! I wouldn't teach "knackered" unless my Ss were intrstd in Brit Colloq Eng #eltchat |
hartle |
9:47 PM |
#eltchat gotta go, everyone. Early flight 2morrow. Thnx for this, very interesting chat :-))) |
TyKendall |
9:47 PM |
#ELTCHAT I teach UK EN, but I am able to point out US EN features - the difference between the two is continuously eroding |
DinaDobrou |
9:47 PM |
RT @SophiaMav: RT @Marisa_C: However, I declare I dont know my own variety #ELTchat - as a NNEST how am I supposed to choose ? > good point! #ELTchat |
chiasuan |
9:47 PM |
@theteacherjames Totally agree! #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:47 PM |
@eannegrenoble I didn't explain myself well - I meant the main differences :-( #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:47 PM |
I don't actively teach what I am unfamiliar with #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:48 PM |
@leoselivan @TyKendall @DinaDobrou why not, knackered is pretty common in all UK media #eltchat |
SophiaMav |
9:48 PM |
RT @pavlamilerski: Eng global lg - consequences for the future development of the lg? interesting article from 1999 http://t.co/7RjjkYKp #ELTchat |
chiasuan |
9:48 PM |
@JoHart @SueAnnan Penalise in her IELTS exam...badly! #eltchat |
leoselivan |
9:48 PM |
@DinaDobrou @TyKendall ...or were going to move to UK #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:48 PM |
@Noreen_Lam Again, for receptive purposes, sure... #eltchat |
Timek |
9:48 PM |
@chiasuan @jimscriv yes, and if we accept the idea of core and non-core features, surely this affects our view of fossilisation? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:48 PM |
I think roleplays with specific regional vbariety identities might be fun #ELTchat Ss can research them a bit (advanced tho I shd think) |
TyKendall |
9:49 PM |
#ELTCHAT @jimscriv it makes you die a bit inside doesn't it. Frenches? There'd be riots in Paris I'm sure! |
Shaunwilden |
9:49 PM |
@chiasuan I didnt say it was an elf thing #eltchat |
jimscriv |
9:49 PM |
@chiasuan But "cats and dogs" was your example ... #eltchat |
DinaDobrou |
9:49 PM |
@leoselivan @TyKendall I use it and if they pick it up, good for them. But, true, wouldn't 'teach' it as in 'expect them 2 know it' #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
9:49 PM |
@DinaDobrou some ppl tell me I'm from the UK, others from down under - then others can hear a def American twang :-D #ELTchat #ELTchat |
AchilleasK |
9:49 PM |
RT @jimscriv: I remember my shock at first hearing there was a magazine called "World Englishes". Countable? COUNTABLE???? No! #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:49 PM |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Tht's another misconception of ELF, that we shouldn't teach idioms. Some idioms are common & useful. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:49 PM |
@Shaunwilden we say pooped, or foutu:-) #eltchat |
jimscriv |
9:49 PM |
I remember my shock at first hearing there was a magazine called "World Englishes". Countable? COUNTABLE???? No! #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:50 PM |
@harrisonmike I agree with you MIke, but the unintel factor is V important #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:50 PM |
@leoselivan And these sts dont access the internet in english then? #eltchat |
harrisonmike |
9:50 PM |
@jankenb2 @SueAnnan I'd never ask someone to drop their accent unless completely unintelligible. #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:50 PM |
I do like dropping the odd Br Eng phrase or idiom in every now & again. Not particularly useful but sts love it. Can't do any harm. #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:50 PM |
@TyKendall NS in the UK only. Not in the US or Singapore or Phillippines etc. #eltchat |
leoselivan |
9:50 PM |
@Shaunwilden @TyKendall @DinaDobrou but for EFL Ss not living in or travelling to UK "knackered" is not relevant #eltchat |
jankenb2 |
9:50 PM |
@chiasuan @SueAnnan #eltchat Hey you guys (Midwest) I mean ya'all (New Orleans) I mean, Che (Turkish) I can't seem to find the 1 right word! |
leoselivan |
9:51 PM |
@Shaunwilden haven't seen "knackered" much in the media as you say (mostly spoken only) but will look out for it now #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:51 PM |
@DinaDobrou a well-spoken European is much more cosmopilitan and refined than an uncouth native speaker - also prettier #ELTchat |
TyKendall |
9:51 PM |
@jimscriv #ELTCHAT I must still be in the "getting used to it" phase then, it just doesn't sit well with me for some reason |
jimscriv |
9:51 PM |
@DinaDobrou You speak that well known language "European"? #eltchat |
harrisonmike |
9:51 PM |
IELTS is in a weird place vis a vis world English as it's a requirement for immigration to US, Canada, Australia and UK #ELTCHAT |
chiasuan |
9:51 PM |
@eLeafy But that's a huge discussion on its own. Some pple can't understand coz they r not used to the accent. #eltchat |
SophiaMav |
9:51 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: @jankenb2 @SueAnnan Id never ask someone to drop their accent unless completely unintelligible. #ELTchat |
DinaDobrou |
9:51 PM |
@Marisa_C A Brit friend of mine calls me 'a well-spoken European'. Should I take that as a compliment? :P #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
9:51 PM |
@theteacherjames lol James - certainly harmless #eltchat |
leoselivan |
9:51 PM |
@theteacherjames sure James but you wouldn't really expect Ss to produce them unless of course they wanted to #eltchat |
jimscriv |
9:52 PM |
@eLeafy It is now. That's the point! #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:52 PM |
RT @jankenb2: @Marisa_C #eltchat I love idioms! They are great sources of cultural logic, excellent metaphors & key to comprhens |
eannegrenoble |
9:52 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: ...Can't do any harm>> Agreed >I was floored when st said "I'm not daft you know" My reaction surprized me #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:52 PM |
RT @designerlessons: I think they've all been burned from my mind. I long for idioms. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:52 PM |
@leoselivan it's one of those words my mum told me not to use so always hear it :-) #eltchat |
leoselivan |
9:52 PM |
@harrisonmike that's why any spelling variety is accepted in IELTS #eltchat |
harrisonmike |
9:52 PM |
So IELTS is a test taken by native and non-native speakers and IMO isn't the best designed it could be for either #eltchat |
hartle |
9:52 PM |
#eltchat night all, got to go. Early flight 2morrow. |
pavlamilerski |
9:52 PM |
RT @chiasuan: @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Tht's another misconception of ELF, that we shouldn't teach idioms. Some idioms are common & useful. #eltchat |
JoHart |
9:52 PM |
@theteacherjames #ELTchat Often get ESL stdnts in my adult lit classes & they always want to learn local (Aus) idiom - culturally imptnt |
jankenb2 |
9:52 PM |
@chiasuan @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C |
Marisa_C |
9:52 PM |
@DinaDobrou I was joking of course - your ENglish is lovely #ELTchat |
theteacherjames |
9:52 PM |
@leoselivan Agreed, in fact I'll often say this isn't very useful. It's part of the cultural aspect of language learning. #eltchat |
SophiaMav |
9:52 PM |
RT @DinaDobrou: @Marisa_C A Brit friend of mine calls me a well-spoken European. Should I take that as a compliment? :P > U are :) #ELTchat |
chiasuan |
9:52 PM |
@eLeafy I couldn't understand the Scottish accnt when I 1st got here.But u get used to it.She did the IELTS in Korea & scored well! #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:53 PM |
@JoHart Definitely more useful in an ESL context (EFL myself!) #ELTchat |
TyKendall |
9:53 PM |
#ELTCHAT too fast, and we're too knackered ;-) ;-) |
DinaDobrou |
9:53 PM |
Is #ELTchat too fast for me or am I too slow for #ELTchat? I wonder... |
Shaunwilden |
9:53 PM |
@chiasuan @jimscriv Yes and i was responding to your example - I never mentioned ELF at all #eltchat |
harrisonmike |
9:53 PM |
@leoselivan gotta be consistent though. No 'organise' and then 'organize' please ;) #eltchat |
hartle |
9:53 PM |
#eltchat 1 last thought: when editing conf. Papers 4 Global English Conference in Verona, all NNESTs wanted thr papers correcting...?? |
leoselivan |
9:53 PM |
@theteacherjames talking about culture... well that's a topic for another #eltchat I guess :) |
theteacherjames |
9:53 PM |
@designerlessons Where are you from? #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:53 PM |
@jimscriv I was responding to @Shaunwilden saying some sts want idioms. Sure, useful ones are great! Would u teach 'cats & dogs'? #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:54 PM |
@Marisa_C @jankenb2 I had this trainee recently who used an idiom in every utterance. Ironically made him sound more NNS! #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:54 PM |
@eannegrenoble I love that! Does make their English more well rounded and interesting, it's got to be said. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:54 PM |
@chiasuan as of anything else I think - #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:54 PM |
@chiasuan I have a student who says'it's not my cup of tea a few times each day :-( #eltchat |
jankenb2 |
9:54 PM |
#eltchat @harrisonmike @SueAnnan Good point. |
Shaunwilden |
9:54 PM |
@Marisa_C sue said she would #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:54 PM |
@DinaDobrou Maybe we should start an International/ watered down version ;-) #eltchat |
designerlessons |
9:54 PM |
nothing more difficult to hear than a pre-int student trying to use colloquial English - they have to run before they can walk. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:54 PM |
How time flies when #ELTchat is on fire!!!! DON"T anyone go away before we get someone to do the summary please!!! |
chiasuan |
9:54 PM |
@Marisa_C @jankenb2 @Shaunwilden But a misuse or overuse of idioms could really hinder communication & impression made. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:55 PM |
@leoselivan I offered earlier, but you're welcome if you want #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:55 PM |
@Shaunwilden @jimscriv Would you teach 'raining cats and dogs', Shaun? Of all the idioms around? *wink* #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:55 PM |
@chiasuan llol my best one in a BE class abt a guy who "had a finger in every tart!!!" #eltchat |
leoselivan |
9:55 PM |
@Marisa_C would love to summarise but so many different opinions have been voiced. is there any consesus? #eltchat |
SophiaMav |
9:55 PM |
@DinaDobrou are you using tweetchat? If not, you should :) #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:55 PM |
@chiasuan Yes. That I can believe #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:55 PM |
@leoselivan We've definitely done that at some point! #eltchat |
Timek |
9:56 PM |
Fossilisation: should we worry about features such as who vs which if that is not seen as important in the eyes of ELF users? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:56 PM |
@chiasuan Not if she's here #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:56 PM |
@chiasuan @jimscriv as @leoselivan said most sts seem to know it, I usually roll my eyes and say yes but we dont really say that #eltchat |
TyKendall |
9:56 PM |
#ELTCHAT I had to teach "take a rain check" even though it's not my variety (and I personally hate the expression) |
jimscriv |
9:56 PM |
@chiasuan People DO use it! #eltchat (especially on IH posters) |
chiasuan |
9:56 PM |
@SueAnnan I have a student who says 'not my cup of tea' all the time too! Is it the same one? #eltchat |
leoselivan |
9:56 PM |
@Shaunwilden repressed childhood fantasy/trauma then :)) #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:56 PM |
@designerlessons Brighton. No space for some idioms in your classrooms? #eltchat |
Noreen_Lam |
9:56 PM |
Any1 using hootsuite able 2tell me why some tweets don't show up on my #eltchat stream? Have2 view conversation2 see some...1st day w/HS! :) |
Shaunwilden |
9:57 PM |
@chiasuan @jimscriv @leoselivan Sorry i still dont get what is wrong with that #eltchat |
jimscriv |
9:57 PM |
@chiasuan And I would too (confession time) #eltchat |
leoselivan |
9:57 PM |
@SophiaMav @tykendall @dinadobrou I wouldn't penalise Ss as much for "I am knackered" as I would for " *I tired " or some such #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:57 PM |
@Shaunwilden Cats and dogs is 'raining stairrods ' here. Another kettle of fish:-) #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:57 PM |
@Shaunwilden @jimscriv @leoselivan Hahaha...but this teacher I saw actually actively taught it...fed it in when it was raining! #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:58 PM |
@Marisa_C BBC listening post is new archive of accents #ELTchat |
leoselivan |
9:58 PM |
@chiasuan @Shaunwilden @jimscriv I'd teach "it's pouring (down)" or "it';s bucketing down" #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:58 PM |
RT @Timek: I think the chat shows that this is a huge area with many separate sub-topics for discussion! ELF grammar, pron, pragmatics, etc, #eltchat |
jimscriv |
9:58 PM |
@chiasuan He he he You are quite hardline you are! #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:58 PM |
Three minutes to end of chat - can u share some links where Ts and Ss can hear different accents or learn abt diff varieties? #ELTchat |
Timek |
9:58 PM |
I think the chat shows that this is a huge area with many separate sub-topics for discussion! ELF grammar, pron, pragmatics, etc, #eltchat |
TyKendall |
9:58 PM |
#ELTCHAT @leoselivan Agree, it shows they have a range of vocab, different registers |
TyKendall |
9:59 PM |
http://t.co/QcuynFW5 #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:59 PM |
@designerlessons Agreed. Why did you say you "long for them"? #curious #eltchat |
chiasuan |
9:59 PM |
@Shaunwilden @jimscriv @leoselivan I think it is all abt prioritisin classrm time.There're other more useful things 1 can do w it. #eltchat |
designerlessons |
9:59 PM |
@theteacherjames I teach them when they come up, I think they need to be contextualised -Ss more likely to remember them #eltchat |
leoselivan |
9:59 PM |
@harrisonmike sorry u r right - spelling is in Lex resource! :) #eltchat |
TyKendall |
9:59 PM |
#ELTCHAT @SueAnnan YES it's fantastic! |
SophiaMav |
9:59 PM |
RT @Timek: I think the chat shows that this is a huge area with many separate sub-topics for discussion! ELF grammar, pron, pragmatics, etc, #eltchat |
pavlamilerski |
9:59 PM |
@Marisa_C I had to produce a dialogue in Irish Eng..the cat fell on the car /kiat fella..d kiar/ or sth like this. gr8 experience! #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
9:59 PM |
Fire some links away please #ELTchat |
chiasuan |
10:00 PM |
@leoselivan @Shaunwilden @jimscriv Why not 'It's pissing down'? That's probably the most used one here in the UK! hahaha #eltchat |
jimscriv |
10:00 PM |
@chiasuan Ha ha #eltchat |
eprofessoruk |
10:00 PM |
The British library website is fantastic for regional accents, dialects etc lots of audio very interactive #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
10:00 PM |
@leoselivan thank you so much #eltchat |
SophiaMav |
10:00 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Three minutes to end of chat - can u share some links where Ts and Ss can hear different accents or learn abt diff varieties? #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
10:00 PM |
@TyKendall thanks for link Tyson #eltchat |
eannegrenoble |
10:00 PM |
@Timek Don't forget Robin Walker http://t.co/SM3qnj7P >>brill #eltchat |
leoselivan |
10:00 PM |
@Marisa_C asked for links here we go #eltchat http://t.co/CFwwptUu McCrum's (Story of Eng) article on Globish |
BrainTrack |
10:00 PM |
cool! RT @ShellTerrell: via @yearinthelifeof Video Clips for Classroom Use from BBC Motion Gallery http://t.co/28pFkXqn #eltchat #esl |
jimscriv |
10:01 PM |
@chiasuan True! #eltchat That's a useful one, though with tabbooish element #eltchat |
elawassell |
10:01 PM |
http://t.co/pRsD2274 I'll repeat the link I gave to R. Walker's talk #ELTchat |
leoselivan |
10:01 PM |
another link: Whose Eng is right? via @brad5patterson http://t.co/ohAGPx9N #eltchat |
TyKendall |
10:01 PM |
@eprofessoruk I just linked to that: http://t.co/fLVC1kYJ #eltchat |
SophiaMav |
10:01 PM |
RT @eprofessoruk: The British library website is fantastic for regional accents, dialects etc lots of audio very interactive #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
10:01 PM |
@chiasuan depends on context of situation! #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
10:01 PM |
@chiasuan Yes but if it is raining then seems to me it can be raised, that doesnt mean dont mention others #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
10:01 PM |
@SueAnnan I probably say that about ten time a conversation! That's what happens when your taste is bit non-mainstream like me! #eltchat |
leoselivan |
10:02 PM |
@chiasuan @Shaunwilden @jimscriv LOL I wrote it and then deleted it - wanted to be PC on #eltchat - obviously not the case with you Chia! :) |
Marisa_C |
10:02 PM |
@hoprea OUI #ELTChat |
hoprea |
10:02 PM |
Is it over? #ELTChat :( |
SophiaMav |
10:02 PM |
RT @leoselivan: another link: Whose Eng is right? via @brad5patterson http://t.co/r7uowKSy #ELTchat |
Timek |
10:02 PM |
@chiasuan you nailed it, chia suan, that's what Seidlhofer calls Unilateral Idiomaticity which is what skilled ELF users avoid! #eltchat |
TyKendall |
10:02 PM |
#eltchat @Marisa_C I''ve posted the British library one, Regional Voices/Changing voices |
Marisa_C |
10:02 PM |
@chiasuan i know :-D he has never recovered from it in the office te he he #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
10:02 PM |
@Noreen_Lam I prefer Tweetdeck for #eltchat. Use hootsuite the rest of the time. |
DinaDobrou |
10:03 PM |
@leoselivan @SophiaMav @tykendall Same here. #ELTchat |
eprofessoruk |
10:03 PM |
Accents and dialect British Library http://t.co/m7kDRosH #ELTchat |
designerlessons |
10:03 PM |
@theteacherjames haha, I think it's just I feel I'm missing NS conversations sometimes - ETs tend to simplify, remove slang #eltchat |
Noreen_Lam |
10:04 PM |
@theteacherjames Yeah but last time i couldn't find right version of Tweetdeck4 my OS...Tweetchat was good but thought i'd try HS. #eltchat |
Timek |
10:04 PM |
Jennifer Jenkins on shifting to ELF: http://t.co/4Z7XzqtI #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10:04 PM |
Well thank you all for your lively contributions to this #ELTchat and thank you @SueAnnan for offering to do the summary :-) |
esolcourses |
10:04 PM |
RT @CELT_Athens: If new to #ELTchat or have not added your details to our Ed Directory, please fill in this online form http://t.co/N9y0R13d |
SueAnnan |
10:04 PM |
Thanks for another great #ELTchat Thanks to all and great moderators too |
reasons4 |
10:04 PM |
Thank you for A fascinating #eltchat. You look great on my new tv. |
Shaunwilden |
10:04 PM |
phew and we're done #eltchat |
Timek |
10:04 PM |
@eannegrenoble Thanks Elizabeth #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
10:04 PM |
@designerlessons True, it's good to keep in touch with the motherland. I listen to lots of podcasts, so I have a reasonable idea. #eltchat |
leoselivan |
10:04 PM |
@hoprea it is :) but I shared your blog post! #eltchat |
hoprea |
10:04 PM |
@Marisa_C :( I really thought I'd be able to make it today… #ELTChat Guess I'll have to go through the summary yet again! |
theteacherjames |
10:05 PM |
@Noreen_Lam What version of OS do you have? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
10:05 PM |
@TyKendall when did we say that? LOL #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
10:05 PM |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C oh yes badges ......#eltchat |
TyKendall |
10:05 PM |
#eltchat yeah cheers everyone and thanks for admitting British English is the best!! ;-) ;-) |
theteacherjames |
10:05 PM |
@Noreen_Lam Of course I forgot! #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
10:05 PM |
@Marisa_C will be interesting to read back through the tweets. Do I get a badge, Miss? #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
10:05 PM |
@hoprea sorry Henrick - next weep perhaps? #ELTChat |
SueAnnan |
10:06 PM |
@Shaunwilden yes it chucking it down here and I'm pooped #eltchat |
SophiaMav |
10:06 PM |
Thank you all for a fascinating #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
10:06 PM |
@SueAnnan #ELTchat I will count how many you ve done :-D and see what colour u get |
Shaunwilden |
10:06 PM |
My word that was quite the #eltchat am knackered now and its still raining cats and dogs |
Marisa_C |
10:06 PM |
@SueAnnan oops u reminded me to send badges to Shaun for his approval - :-) #ELTchat |
fiddlegrrl |
10:06 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: Free Technology for Teachers http://t.co/v0fJdQcW #esl #eltchat |
TyKendall |
10:06 PM |
@SueAnnan #eltchat oops that was in my head lol :-) |
SueAnnan |
10:07 PM |
@designerlessons or its depend... #eltchat |
chiasuan |
10:07 PM |
Thanks for a great #eltchat everyone. And thanks to all the moderators! I'd love to have a copy of the summary! |
SophiaMav |
10:07 PM |
RT @DinaDobrou: Should get going #ELTchat Thank you mods @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C and @SueAnnan our summary writer. Gnight! #ELTchat |
jankenb2 |
10:07 PM |
#eltchat Great conversation. |
TyKendall |
10:07 PM |
#eltchat it's so bad here the ducks can actually SWIM across the field, no lie! |
designerlessons |
10:07 PM |
@theteacherjames Once I start saying "I am agree" it's all over for me. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10:07 PM |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat Every cloud has a silver lining :--) |
DinaDobrou |
10:07 PM |
Should get going #ELTchat Thank you mods @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C and @SueAnnan our summary writer. G'night! |
elawassell |
10:07 PM |
“@SueAnnan: Thanks for another great #ELTchat Thanks to all and great moderators too†thank you all! |
designerlessons |
10:07 PM |
@theteacherjames that's a good tip. I'm just worried I'm internalising Spanglish. #eltchat |
chiasuan |
10:08 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: Great resource for global varieties of English: http://t.co/hL5Bpuhd. Bit late, sorry. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10:08 PM |
@SophiaMav good night Sophaki mou and @chiasuan and Dina @DinaDobrou #ELTchat and Jonny boy,... |
SueAnnan |
10:08 PM |
@chiasuan will be done in a couple of days max #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
10:08 PM |
Ok anymore relevant tweets, am off to get the transcript #eltchat |
Timek |
10:08 PM |
@Marisa_C Thanks Marisa, I think it would be a good idea to have a focused chat sometime on ELF subtopics like Grammar, Pragmatics #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
10:08 PM |
Great resource for global varieties of English: http://t.co/hL5Bpuhd. Bit late, sorry. #eltchat |
pacogascon |
10:09 PM |
Missed #eltchat today :( @Marisa_C Just read ur twit. Maybe uve already mentioned @sandymillin grt post on UK accents http://t.co/DaDwQnIw |
TyKendall |
10:09 PM |
#eltchat be sure to include my totally irrelevant tweet about our ducks swimming across the field!@Shaunwilden |
Marisa_C |
10:09 PM |
@Timek You can suggest this as a topic next week or later and we will talk abt it if people vote for it - for sure ! #eltchat |
reasons4 |
10:09 PM |
We didn't really define globish in #eltchat but @michaelegriffin did in a guest post early and in only 140 words http://t.co/ZSvL14Bb |
AnaCristinaPrts |
10:09 PM |
RT @jimscriv: I've never met a student whose ambition was to learn an "impoverished" version of English - but maybe that reflects the sts I meet. #eltchat |
SophiaMav |
10:10 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: My word that was quite the #eltchat am knackered now and its still raining cats and dogs > absolutely :) #ELTchat |
leoselivan |
10:10 PM |
@esolamin as I said it's incredibly charming but nobody really uses it anymore tho" @jimscriv thinks otherwise :) #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10:10 PM |
@pacogascon no haven't but thanks for sharing it #eltchat |
leoselivan |
10:11 PM |
RT @reasons4: We didn't really define globish in #eltchat but @michaelegriffin did in a guest post early & in 140 words http://t.co/SJcregEP |
jimscriv |
10:11 PM |
@leoselivan But that @jimscriv is a dinosaur ... #eltchat |
IsilBoy |
10:11 PM |
Just blogged: "Word Clouds: Wordle, Wordsift & Tagul" http://t.co/SN0tyP4M #eltchat #edtech |
Timek |
10:11 PM |
ppl interested in this area should also check out VOICE corpus and get the Seidlhofer book http://t.co/cH985f79 #eltchat |
jimscriv |
10:11 PM |
@TyKendall What about the dogs? And cats? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10:11 PM |
@chiasuan #eltchat no worries - Shaun will include some late tweets with links too am sure :-) |
sandymillin |
10:12 PM |
@pacogascon Just realised I missed #eltchat too! Thanks for the mention :) |
SophiaMav |
10:12 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @Timek You can suggest this as a topic next week or later and we will talk abt it if people vote for it - for sure ! #ELTchat |
theteacherjames |
10:12 PM |
RT @chiasuan: Thanks for a great #eltchat everyone. And thanks to all the moderators! I'd love to have a copy of the summary! |
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