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cioccas

1:53 PM

RT @Marisa_C:  today's first #ELTChat - Practical ideas to introduce workshops on CPD to dinosaurs What is important & how to's etc

cybraryman1

1:55 PM

Practical ideas to introduce workshops on CPD to dinosaurs What is important & how to go about setting up a programme. In 5 minutes #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:01 PM

@Marisa_C okey dokey #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:01 PM

For the next hour my tweets are for #eltchat :-) Hi all! #eltchat

worldteacher

2:01 PM

Here and ready to take part in #eltchat.

cioccas

2:01 PM

@Marisa_C I'm here, I'm ready! #ELTchat

rliberni

2:01 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Welcome to #ELTchat - we are discussing those 'difficult' colleagues who resist CPD of any kind - are you ready to join?

Marisa_C

2:01 PM

Welcome to #ELTchat - we are discussing those 'difficult' colleagues who resist CPD of any kind - are you ready to join?

cioccas

2:02 PM

RT @saraginot: @Marisa_C #ELTchat I'm ready - new to the forum < WELCOME!

Marisa_C

2:02 PM

@NikkiFortova @theteacherjames  #eltchat hellos and welcomes  #ELTchat

theteacherjames

2:02 PM

Hi everyone. #ELTchat

NikkiFortova

2:02 PM

Hello everyone, looking forward to sharing ideas with you all :-) #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:02 PM

@worldteacher @worldteacher  #eltchat@esolcourses  #eltchat@harrisonmike  #ELTchat@esolcourses  #eltchat #ELTchat Here we go!!!!

saraginot

2:02 PM

@Marisa_C #ELTchat I'm ready - new to the forum

theteacherjames

2:03 PM

@saraginot Welcome, we're here to help if you need it! #ELTchat

rliberni

2:03 PM

RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat this type of colleague often has 2 Qs 1)am I getting paid for it? 2)what do I get from it? #cpd

harrisonmike

2:03 PM

#eltchat this type of colleague often has 2 Qs 1)am I getting paid for it? 2)what do I get from it? #cpd

AlexandraKouk

2:03 PM

RT @cioccas: RT @saraginot: @Marisa_C #ELTchat Im ready - new to the forum < WELCOME! #eltchat

saraginot

2:03 PM

@cioccas #eltchat thanks for all the welcomes - hope I can keep up with you - heard that everything moves very fast

worldteacher

2:03 PM

@saraginot Welcome to #eltchat!

BobK99

2:04 PM

@Marisa_C  #ELTchat Hello all. Looking forward to talking about REfLECT.

rliberni

2:04 PM

RT @Marisa_C: So let's get started - How do you recognise a dinosaur when you see one? What are the symptoms? #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:04 PM

So let's get started - How do you recognise a dinosaur when you see one? What are the symptoms? #ELTchat

NikkiFortova

2:04 PM

@reasons4 Don't lurk you have oodles of things to say :-) #eltchat

worldteacher

2:04 PM

@harrisonmike I work with a few like that! #eltchat

reasons4

2:04 PM

Hello #eltchat … mostly lurking today as I don't really know any dinosaurs. Should be interesting tho.

Marisa_C

2:04 PM

@reasons4 hello and welcome - no dinosaurs in your circle? cool  #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:05 PM

@BobK99 Hi there and welcome to my co-moderation @rliberni  #ELTchat Let us know if you need help and REMEMBER the hashtag on every tweet

AlexandraKouk

2:05 PM

@Marisa_C air of omniscience?

NikkiFortova

2:05 PM

RT @Marisa_C: So let's get started - How do you recognise a dinosaur when you see one? >reluctance to embarce new ideas? #ELTchat

teflerinha

2:05 PM

RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat  Have we worked in the same institutions? ;)

rliberni

2:05 PM

RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat some other Qs - are you (ie. the institution) telling me I *have* 2do #cpd? how are you/institution going to help me

harrisonmike

2:05 PM

#eltchat some other Qs - are you (ie. the institution) telling me I *have* 2do #cpd? how are you/institution going to help me

cioccas

2:05 PM

@harrisonmike ... and 3) I've been doing this for years, what is there to learn #ELTchat

theteacherjames

2:06 PM

@Marisa_C I think there's sometimes a smugness to the dinosaur, as if they pity you for caring that much. Sad really. #ELTchat

teflerinha

2:06 PM

#eltchat Seriously, I think the dinosaurs are actually often quite fearful- of being found out, of not being good enough..

worldteacher

2:06 PM

RT @Marisa_C: So let's get started - How do you recognise a dinosaur when you see one? What are the symptoms? #ELTchat >Blinkers & earplugs?

Marisa_C

2:06 PM

RT @teacherphili: @Marisa_C stubborness, blame culture. #eltchat

cioccas

2:06 PM

RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat this type of colleague often has 2 Qs 1)am I getting paid for it? 2)what do I get from it? #cpd

Marisa_C

2:06 PM

@AlexandraKouk  #eltchat "I know it all, so there!" ???

teacherphili

2:06 PM

@Marisa_C stubborness, blame culture. #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:06 PM

RT @rliberni: RT @Marisa_C: So lets get started - How do you recognise a dinosaur when you see one? What are the symptoms? #eltchat

saraginot

2:07 PM

#eltchat they're convinced that technology has nothing to add and it's just a bunch of hype

worldteacher

2:07 PM

@cioccas Of course you can! #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:07 PM

RT @theteacherjames:  I think there's sometimes a smugness to the dinosaur, as if they pity you for caring that much. Sad really. #ELTchat

cioccas

2:07 PM

RT @worldteacher:  What are the symptoms? #ELTchat >Blinkers & earplugs? <Love that, can I use it!? ^_^

AlexandraKouk

2:07 PM

dinosaur attitude = if it works, don't mess with it #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:07 PM

RT @NikkiFortova:reluctance to embarce new ideas? #ELTchat

cioccas

2:08 PM

RT @saraginot: #eltchat they're convinced that technology ...'s just a bunch of hype < Convinced everything new is hype!

harrisonmike

2:08 PM

there's a vicious cycle as I see it in UK FE -generic CPD is so far below what we do (in language Ting) we think 'what's the point? #eltchat

MarianSteiner

2:08 PM

β€@AlexandraKouk: dinosaur attitude = if it works, don't mess with it #eltchatβ€ >> or, "I don't care if it works."

theteacherjames

2:08 PM

@teflerinha That's always the way with any kind of prejudice, it's based on fear of stepping into the unknown. #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:08 PM

@theteacherjames Yes, I've heard about expressions of pity ... "Why bother??" What re u doing papering your walls with certfs? etc #ELTchat

NikkiFortova

2:08 PM

RT @saraginot: #eltchat they're convinced that technology has nothing to add and it's just a bunch of hype > yes my experience too :-(

AlexandraKouk

2:09 PM

@theteacherjames Exactly! #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:09 PM

@theteacherjames Exactly! #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:09 PM

#eltchat so, we aren't motivated to do the generic CPd. Our departmental sessions on the other hand are v beneficial

AlexandraKouk

2:09 PM

@NikkiFortova not only technology - sometimes, ANY kind of CPD, I'm afraid  #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:09 PM

RT @saraginot: #eltchat they're convinced that technology has nothing to add and it's just a bunch of hype

teflerinha

2:09 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @teflerinha That's always the way w/ any kind of prejudice, it's based on fear of stepping in2 the unknown #eltchat Yes

Marisa_C

2:09 PM

Can we have an artist DRAW this dinosaur you are all so graphically describing? #ELTchat

theteacherjames

2:09 PM

@AlexandraKouk Of course, it probably isn't working, but they don't realise. #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:09 PM

@worldteacher I love the blinkers and earplugs image  #ELTchat

AlexandraKouk

2:10 PM

RT@theteacherjames: That's always the way w/ any kind of prejudice, its based on fear of stepping in2 the unknown #eltchat  #eltchat

rliberni

2:10 PM

RT @elawassell: #eltchat   just met lots of them! ;-) (will be lurking from Natural Hist Mus) hello everyone! http://t.co/Kvt35Rk1

cioccas

2:10 PM

Found this great little book recently...Differentiating Professional Development: The Principal’s Role http://t.co/zWfFvcXy #ELTchat

elawassell

2:10 PM

#eltchat   just met lots of them! ;-) (will be lurking from Natural Hist Mus) hello everyone! http://t.co/Kvt35Rk1

teflerinha

2:10 PM

@theteacherjames  #eltchat I just think that understanding dinosaurs' fear is the key to helping them embrace #cpd

worldteacher

2:10 PM

RT @AlexandraKouk: @NikkiFortova not only technology - sometimes, ANY kind of CPD, I'm afraid  #eltchat >Agreed!

NikkiFortova

2:10 PM

Then there's also the "you are younger than me so who are you to tell me what works in the classroom " attitude :-( #eltchat

reasons4

2:10 PM

#eltchat how do you deal with chronically underpaid, stupidly over-worked ts who through years of neglect, poor behaviour just don't give 1?

rliberni

2:11 PM

RT @JoshSRound: Of course some 'dinosaurs' see teaching as just the day-job & so not interested in developing #ELTchat - hi by the way! #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:11 PM

@teacherphili I'll give it a go - get those crayons out :-)  #eltchat

teflgeek

2:11 PM

@reasons4 - attendance doesn't mean engagement!  There are interested teachers and teachers who are there because they have to be! #eltchat

JoshSRound

2:11 PM

Of course some 'dinosaurs' see teaching as just the day-job & so not interested in developing #ELTchat - hi by the way! #ELTchat

michaelegriffin

2:11 PM

I can't do #ELTchat tonight but it sure seems intrsting. My sincere question...y do we (presumable non-dinos) care what others do/don't do?

theteacherjames

2:11 PM

@teflerinha I like your idea, but must be very difficult in practice. #eltchat #cpd

teacherphili

2:11 PM

@Marisa_C don't forget the blinkers + earplugs in the drawing  #eltchat

cioccas

2:12 PM

@teflgeek @reasons4 And teachers who are there because they get paid to be - but not learning! #eltchat

teflgeek

2:12 PM

RT @teflerinha: #eltchat Seriously, I think the dinosaurs are actually often quite fearful- of being found out, of not being good enough..

timjulian60

2:12 PM

I think schools need to have a written internal agreement that states explicitly that Ts  are expected to take PD seriously #eltchat

BobK99

2:12 PM

RT @teflerinha: @theteacherjames  #eltchat ... u/stndng dinos' fear is the key to helping them embrace #cpd >A bit too glib? Wish you wer rt

teflerinha

2:12 PM

@reasons4 #eltchat I don't think anyone actually wants to teach badly- it's painful.

theteacherjames

2:12 PM

Does anyone know of any examples of converted Dinos? Someone who saw the light? :-) #eltchat

worldteacher

2:12 PM

@JoshSRound Because I think it reflects on the institution we work for. #eltchat

teflerinha

2:12 PM

@reasons4 Help them to see #CPD as a perk, not a pain- something they can get out of the job which will improve quality of life  #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:13 PM

It's a requirement in FE contracts in the UK to do a certain amount of CPD in an academic year. #ifl guidelines-30 hrs if full time #eltchat

cioccas

2:13 PM

@timjulian60 Keyword is 'seriously! #ELTchat

worldteacher

2:13 PM

@theteacherjames I have a 'work in progress' at tne moment!! Does that count? :-) #eltchat

teflerinha

2:13 PM

RT @ToddWhitaker: People resent others being valued only when they do not feel valued themselves. This isn't #eltchat, but relevant!

Marisa_C

2:13 PM

@theteacherjames It's a very slow process  - to metamorphose from dinosaur to a passionate educator .... lots of resistance  #eltchat

NikkiFortova

2:13 PM

@theteacherjames Yes I met a few converted dinos - but they wanted to change and saw that change wasn't that hard or painful #eltchat

teflerinha

2:14 PM

@BobK99  @theteacherjames Does sound glib, but works much better than stick!  Think dinos need to feel valued #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:14 PM

It just occurred to me that @keisenhow and @ninaisk might enjoy tonight's #ELTchat on CPD. (Sorry for mentioning it so late!!)

worldteacher

2:14 PM

@timjulian60 Agree with you - trying to implement such an agreement at the moment. #eltchat

cioccas

2:14 PM

@harrisonmike: In my FE college in Australia too - 36 per year if full time #eltchat

NikkiFortova

2:14 PM

@@Marisa_C does dinosaur equate with someone who isn't passionate about teaching? #eltchat

teflgeek

2:14 PM

Attitude= I've been doing this for years and see no reason to change now!  Who are you to tell me otherwise? #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:14 PM

@reasons4 Important question. It's as important that we consider how people become like that in the first place as try to help them #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:14 PM

@harrisonmike CPD NOT a requirement all around the world - a question of leadership I think and sth we should promote  #ifl #eltchat

saraginot

2:14 PM

#eltchat some teachers are good but don't want to be bothered - they roll their eyes and say that sounds like a lot of work-why bother

cbsiskin

2:15 PM

@Marisa_C  what does CPD stand for? #ELTchat

JoshSRound

2:15 PM

@harrisonmike trouble with contracted #cpd hours is it raises resistence, seen as top-down #eltchat do you agree? #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:15 PM

@NikkiFortova I am not sure - i wrote this quite instinctively - so deep down I must believe sth like that  #eltchat

esolcourses

2:15 PM

@ERE_net your promoted tweet has nothing to do with #ELTChat - pse find a more appropriate stream to promote your product on #marketingfail

NikkiFortova

2:15 PM

@teflerinha we all need to feel valued :-)  #eltchat

teacherphili

2:15 PM

I don't suppose there are any dinosaurs in the room now?  And would they even know it if there were? #eltchat

timjulian60

2:15 PM

RT @cioccas: @timjulian60 Keyword is 'seriously! #ELTchat very true!

cbsiskin

2:16 PM

@Marisa_C  thanks! #ELTchat

saraginot

2:16 PM

#eltchat but if you're a coordinator of teachers you care because you're "moving" and they're staying in the same place

reasons4

2:16 PM

RT @NikkiFortova: @teflerinha we all need to feel valued :-)  #eltchat

worldteacher

2:16 PM

RT @NikkiFortova: @@Marisa_C does dinosaur equate with someone who isn't passionate about teaching? #eltchat > In my exp, the 2 go together

cioccas

2:16 PM

I've come across lots of different types of dinosaurs - different reasons for resistance, need different solutions to engage #ELTchat

theteacherjames

2:16 PM

@NikkiFortova @worldteacher Stories of hope! Good luck with the conversions! #eltchat

teacherphili

2:16 PM

@NikkiFortova @@Marisa_C my understanding is it someone who doesn't like changing what they do - often for good reasons #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:16 PM

RT @reasons4 Its as important that we consider how people become like that in the first place as try to help them #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:16 PM

@cbsiskin Continuous Professional Development  #ELTchat

MarianSteiner

2:16 PM

#eltchat β€@michaelegriffin: ..y do we (presumable non-dinos) care what others do/don't do?β€ good question. It's not abt being preachy,is it?

BobK99

2:17 PM

RT @timjulian60: ...agreement that states explicitly that Ts  are expected to take PD seriously #eltchat > Just another bit of paper? ;)

teflerinha

2:17 PM

RT @cioccas: ive come across lots of difft types of dinosaurs - difft reasons 4 resistance, need difft solutions 2 engage #ELTchat Agree

louisealix68

2:17 PM

#eltchat I've met many "dinosaurs" who are half my age - perhaps not such a good term?

teflgeek

2:17 PM

@nikkifortova disagree - someone who thinks there is nothing new to learn, not dispassionate.  I know a few passionate dinosaurs! #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:18 PM

@teflgeek But even if passion is present, it looks to me like there is no desire or complacency or lack of knowledge of options  #eltchat

teflerinha

2:18 PM

#eltchat If not interested in teaching, won't be enjoying it- life too short to be doing job u don't enjoy- help dinos find joy! ;)

AlexandraKouk

2:18 PM

Diff reasons for being a dinosaur - different approaches to "converting" them? #eltchat

jankenb2

2:18 PM

@Marisa_C CPD?  Prof Development? #eltchat: Sorry I am logging in late.

elawassell

2:18 PM

β€@teacherphili: wearing blinkers and earplugs?β€ no- these are the ones that are not interested or make lots of noise. als smptms #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:18 PM

@JoshSRound Yep, I do resent it a bit, although the number of things that can be included, for example by #ifl guidelines, is big #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:19 PM

@harrisonmike how about armadillos then :-)  #stuckinthemuds #eltchat

teflgeek

2:19 PM

speaking as a potential dinosaur, what irritates is having to go to sessions where I know the topic well #eltchat

NikkiFortova

2:19 PM

@teflgeek gosh feeling there's nothing left to learn is a shortsighted attitude isn't it.  #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:19 PM

#stuckinthemuds! RT @louisealix68: #eltchat I've met many "dinosaurs" who are half my age - perhaps not such a good term?

cioccas

2:19 PM

RT @AlexandraKouk: Diff reasons for being a dinosaur - different approaches to "converting" them? #eltchat

elawassell

2:19 PM

RT @Marisa_C: RT @NikkiFortova:reluctance to embarce new ideas? #ELTchat

timjulian60

2:19 PM

@BobK99  maybe, but then you can point out that they signed up to something and are not doing it #eltchat

rliberni

2:20 PM

RT @teflgeek: speaking as a potential dinosaur, what irritates is having to go to sessions where I know the topic well #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:20 PM

@MarianSteiner #ELTchat Thanks! It's something I think about a lot! Surely some non-preachy ways/successes will be shared in the chat

rliberni

2:20 PM

Have we considered that some of these people may just be afraid of doing things online and need support? #eltchat

louisealix68

2:20 PM

RT @teflgeek: speaking as a potential dinosaur, what irritates is having to go to sessions where I know the topic well #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:21 PM

@teacherphili lol no  #eltchat

rliberni

2:21 PM

RT @JoshSRound: @harrisonmike so better when there is a big range of #cpd & also when hours done is self-directed #eltchat #ELTchat

elawassell

2:21 PM

agree! Met thmβ€@rliberni: Have we considered that some of these people may just be afraid of doing things online and need support? #eltchatβ€

JoshSRound

2:21 PM

@harrisonmike so better when there is a big range of #cpd & also when hours done is self-directed #eltchat #ELTchat

teflerinha

2:21 PM

RT @rliberni: Have we considered sum of ths ppl may B afraid of doing things online & need support? #eltchat yes, or afraid of failure

BobK99

2:21 PM

RT @Marisa_C: @harrisonmike CPD...sth we should promote  #ifl #eltchat> #ifl's REfLECT (CPD e-portf) makes record-keeping quite painless

rliberni

2:21 PM

@teflgeek  sounds like a waste of CPD time and money can you not express this? #eltchat

teacherphili

2:21 PM

@Marisa_C @harrisonmike is that a reference to the SECC, Glasgow? #eltchat

maryglasgow

2:21 PM

#eltchat Talking about 'dinosaurs', have a look at MGM 'dinausors' :) : http://t.co/sH7PHcTl

worldteacher

2:21 PM

@teflgeek so don't you feel motivated to share your knowledge with more inexperienced colleagues in these circumstances? #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:21 PM

@rliberni tho CPD not only online - I think yes, a very good point is 'fear of anything beyond your comfort zone"  #eltchat

esolcourses

2:21 PM

@harrisonmike true, although I think perceptions of CPD do vary & IME, some of the things often counted perhaps shouldn't be  #ELTChat

teflgeek

2:21 PM

I don't mean that I won't learn something, just that MOST of the session is a waste of time #eltchat

worldteacher

2:22 PM

@jankenb2 continuous professional development #eltchat

rliberni

2:22 PM

I think there might be more mileage in supporting those with 'fears' than persuading the immovable #eltchat

teflgeek

2:22 PM

@nikkifortova it is, but when you've been doing this a while you do tend to accumulate an awful lot of knowledge #eltchat

esolcourses

2:22 PM

RT @JoshSRound: @harrisonmike so better when there is a big range of #cpd & also when hours done is self-directed #eltchat #ELTchat

MarianSteiner

2:22 PM

@michaelegriffin YW! Hope so too. I'd resent forceful attempts to enlighten me. I'm a bit stubborn in this way :) #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:22 PM

@rliberni is that seeing cpd as largely online? thought the focus of this #eltchat was *any* kind of cpd?

esolcourses

2:22 PM

RT @rliberni: Have we considered sum of ths ppl may B afraid of doing things online & need support? #eltchat

jankenb2

2:22 PM

@rliberni #eltchat. Please translate CPD. Is it ___professional development? Thanks. The discussion thread is interesting but need topic.

reasons4

2:23 PM

#eltchat a few years ago when I was a DOS i tried to implement weekly sessions led by teachers, it caused a right kerfuffle. All complained.

Marisa_C

2:23 PM

I am often called in to do workshops or CPD with just such groups - they're like surly teenagers #ELtchat

AlexandraKouk

2:23 PM

RT @rliberni: I think there might be more mileage in supporting those with fears than persuading the immovable> agreed! #eltchat

teflgeek

2:23 PM

@rliberni but there's always something worth learning, even if just being in the room makes you think about something differently #eltchat

cioccas

2:23 PM

RT @harrisonmike: @rliberni is that seeing cpd as largely online? thought the focus of this #eltchat was *any* kind of cpd? <Me too - any PD

maryglasgow

2:23 PM

RT @esolcourses: RT @rliberni: Have we considered sum of ths ppl may B afraid of doing things online & need support? #eltchat

NikkiFortova

2:23 PM

Online CPD is a great idea but at the mo, in the Czech Republic, there's a HUGE twitter- facebook divide. things like  #eltchat are ignored.

harrisonmike

2:23 PM

@esolcourses it's all about demonstrating that you have reflected on it, and perhaps experimented with it #eltchat

JoshSRound

2:23 PM

@jankenb2 continuing prof dev :-)) #eltchat

BobK99

2:24 PM

RT @teacherphili: ... dinosaurs in the room now?  And would they even know it if there were? #eltchat > Thick skin - nature of the beast :)

Marisa_C

2:24 PM

One solution which sometimes (not always) works is to engage them in SELECTING what they want to do #ELTchat

jankenb2

2:24 PM

@worldteacher #eltchat Got it. I thought topic was "computerized professional development". Yes, important topic. How 2 motivate peers?

JoshSRound

2:24 PM

Agree RT @harrisonmike: @esolcourses its all about demonstrating that u hav reflected on it, and perhaps experimented w it #eltchat #ELTchat

harrisonmike

2:24 PM

@jankenb2 @rliberni continuous or continuing #eltchat =)

NikkiFortova

2:24 PM

RT @worldteacher: @teflgeek Agreed so don't you get a buzz out of sharing that knowledge? We are teachers, after all!! #eltchat

worldteacher

2:24 PM

@teflgeek Agreed so don't you get a buzz out of sharing that knowledge? We are teachers, after all!! #eltchat

cioccas

2:24 PM

Not ELT focus, but very useful (only 40 pages): Differentiating Professional Development: The Principal’s Role http://t.co/zWfFvcXy #ELTchat

teacherphili

2:24 PM

Professional Development is best when it comes from within. such as teachers forming their own Co-operative Development Groups. #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:25 PM

A bit like children though - you never ask them "Do you want to have dinner" cos they say NO - you say - Now or in 30 mins? #ELTchat

harrisonmike

2:25 PM

@reasons4 maybe the idea of cpd could come from something organic - ie. meet Ts informally in groups to talk about classes + tips #eltchat

saraginot

2:25 PM

#eltchat I think you first have to get them interested and maybe just share with them what you're doing and the great results you're getting

teflgeek

2:25 PM

@worldteacher yeah of course I do, but it's important people arrive at their own conclusions, not always have me sitting there #eltchat

NikkiFortova

2:25 PM

@teflgeek I have heard colleagues saying the same thing and as a result don't want to attend conferences for fear of "same old" #eltchat

rliberni

2:25 PM

@teacherphili  agreed imposing CPD willy-nilly  seems like a waste of time and a way to lose a teacher's  motivation #eltchat

MarianSteiner

2:25 PM

We're all dinosaurs in some ways if we believe we Can't change things. I think it's abt empowering, encouraging, mostly. #eltchat

JoshSRound

2:25 PM

RT @teacherphili: Prof Dev is best when it comes from within. such as teachers forming their own Co-operative Development Groups. #ELTchat

reasons4

2:25 PM

#eltchat these were 20 somethng native speaker of English teachers who wanted Friday afternoons in the pub not in a room with colleagues.

teflerinha

2:25 PM

RT @Marisa_C: One solution which sometimes (not always) works is to engage them in SELECTING what they want to do #ELTchat Yes- ownership

Marisa_C

2:26 PM

@harrisonmike The problem is always pecking orders in staffrooms - smtms difficult to have Ts in same staffroom do this  #eltchat

teflgeek

2:26 PM

What I want from CPD is to be challenged, not told do this.  #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:26 PM

@JoshSRound @esolcourses eg. *just* reading blogs is probably not enough, but demonstrating changes you've made after it #eltchat #cpd

louisealix68

2:26 PM

with peer observations win-win = all learn from each other! #eltchat

reasons4

2:26 PM

#eltchat so I set them homework, they had to observe a lesson + fill in a reflective practice questionaire. It got them more interested

rliberni

2:26 PM

How responsible are we for changing colleagues' attitudes towards CPD is it really our responsibility? #eltchat

jankenb2

2:26 PM

RT @Marisa_C: One solution which sometimes (not always) works is to engage them in SELECTING what they want to do #ELTchat

louisealix68

2:26 PM

ever tried compulsory peer-teaching/sitting in on lessons at least once  every "x" weeks/months? Used to do it. Worked well. #eltchat

rliberni

2:27 PM

@cioccas @saraginot  agreed lead by example and  enthusiasm. #eltchat

jankenb2

2:27 PM

#eltchat Continuous Prof Dev. best when Ts making up a com. of practice (COP). ex: mini lessons of of 30 min brown bag lunches, focus grps.

cioccas

2:27 PM

@worldteacher @teflgeek Agree re nudging, and some need a big shove in the right direction too :) #ELTchat

BobK99

2:27 PM

@esolcourses  #ELTChat #marketingfail Re @ere_net ubi-spam: use  Tweetdeck's Global Filters to clear the decks!

michaelegriffin

2:27 PM

RT @MarianSteiner d resent forceful attempts to enlighten me. I'm a bit stubborn in this way :) #eltchat >that makes two of us or most of us

NikkiFortova

2:27 PM

RT @reasons4: #eltchat so I set them homework, they had to observe a lesson + fill in a reflective practice questionaire. It got them more interested

worldteacher

2:27 PM

@teflgeek Agreed, but maybe they need some 'guided PD' or at least a nudge in the right direction. #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:27 PM

RT @reasons4: #eltchat so I set them homework, they had to observe a lesson + fill in a reflective practice questionaire. It got them more interested

rliberni

2:27 PM

@harrisonmike  continuing I think #eltchat

cioccas

2:27 PM

RT @saraginot: #eltchat ...get them interested, maybe just share with them what you're doing & the great results you're getting < YES!

theteacherjames

2:28 PM

@reasons4 Harsh question: If they weren't interested in CPD, did you need new teachers? #eltchat

reasons4

2:28 PM

β€@AlexandraKouk: @jankenb2 and perhaps ask them what they didn't like in previous CPD attempts? #eltchatβ€ agreed Like sts who've had bad exp

Marisa_C

2:28 PM

RT @worldteacher: @louisealix68 In my team of teachers, we do peer obs all the time - voluntary, not compulsory. Works really well. #eltchat

teflgeek

2:28 PM

Ken Wilson on presenting CPD: http://t.co/P1RBvhXl #eltchat

worldteacher

2:28 PM

@louisealix68 In my team of teachers, we do peer obs all the time - voluntary, not compulsory. Works really well. #eltchat

cioccas

2:28 PM

RT @rliberni: @saraginot  agreed lead by example and  enthusiasm. #eltchat < YES!

Marisa_C

2:28 PM

School leaders also need to learn ways of making CPD attractive -if NEVER any reward to Ts who do it - of any kind so why do it? #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:28 PM

@teacherphili It can do, but as an employee, I would want to work for an organisation that encourages my CPD. Should go both ways. #eltchat

rliberni

2:28 PM

RT @jankenb2: #eltchat Continuous Prof Dev. best when Ts making up a com. of practice (COP). ex: mini lessons of of 30 min brown bag lunches, focus grps.

teflerinha

2:28 PM

@saraginot Yes, but have 2 B careful. If possible, try 2 find something gr8 that dinos R doing & build on it? #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:28 PM

@jankenb2 and perhaps ask them what they didn't like in previous CPD attempts? #eltchat

worldteacher

2:29 PM

@rliberni I think it is insomuch as we all want to be working for professional organisations who take pride in their ongoing PD. #eltchat

MarianSteiner

2:29 PM

RT @cioccas: RT @rliberni: @saraginot  agreed lead by example and  enthusiasm. #eltchat < YES!

michaelegriffin

2:29 PM

#ELTchat @Marisa_C Very good point. I also think that dino T's have learned over time that PD sessions are not always helpful/beneficial.

LizziePinard

2:29 PM

#eltchat hi guys yet again i can only make second half! what's the topic? :-)

reasons4

2:29 PM

β€@theteacherjames: Harsh question: If they weren't interested in CPD, did you need new teachers? #eltchatβ€or a new DOS I quit soon after :-)

rliberni

2:29 PM

@theteacherjames  Agree must be part of the culture  then  less resistance and it will be handled well not just box ticking #eltchat

JoshSRound

2:29 PM

@teflerinha @saraginot gd idea - have a 'dino' teacher who never attends cpd, but loves to do podcasts - this is now HIS project :) #ELTchat

cioccas

2:29 PM

@Marisa_C I've already posted, but it's good: Differentiating Professional Development: The Principal’s Role http://t.co/zWfFvcXy #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:30 PM

I have a questionnaire I share with them - and it's open-ended - so they can add their own ideas and topics #ELTchat

reasons4

2:30 PM

RT @michaelegriffin: #ELTchat @Marisa_C Very good point. I also think that dino T's have learned over time that PD sessions are not always helpful/beneficial.

rliberni

2:30 PM

@worldteacher  yes I suspect the problem lies with the org. rather than the individ tchrs #eltchat

teflerinha

2:30 PM

RT @JoshSRound: @saraginot gd idea - have a 'dino' teacher who nevr attends cpd, but lovs 2 do podcasts - ths is now HIS project :) #ELTchat

jankenb2

2:30 PM

@worldteacher #eltchat 1 problem http://t.co/yZsNqlmc dev and elt Ts is majority enter field from outside of ed. Need study of ed theory

theteacherjames

2:31 PM

@rliberni & put into the contract, thus said in interviews as part of the selection process. Get the right Ts in in the 1st place. #eltchat

jankenb2

2:31 PM

#eltchat professional dev in any field rests on the subjects recogn. of the depth. At 1st ELT looks easy. w/practice complex issues arise.

NikkiFortova

2:31 PM

RT @Marisa_C: I have a questionnaire I share with them - and it's open-ended - so they can add their own ideas and topics #ELTchat

elawassell

2:31 PM

@harrisonmike @joshsround @esolcourses true about every form of CPD- *showing* what U learned, how u changed encourages others #eltchat

teflerinha

2:31 PM

RT @rliberni: @worldteacher  yes I suspect the problem lies with the org. rather than the individ tchrs #eltchat yes, often does

Marisa_C

2:31 PM

@michaelegriffin true  #ELTchat

rliberni

2:31 PM

RT @Marisa_C: I have a questionnaire I share with them - and it's open-ended - so they can add their own ideas and topics #ELTchat

worldteacher

2:31 PM

RT @louisealix68: with peer observations win-win = all learn from each other! #eltchat >Yes! Also good exp for Ts who later become mgrs

JoshSRound

2:31 PM

RT @worldteacher: @rliberni  we all want to be working for professional organisations who take pride in their ongoing PD. #ELTchat

harrisonmike

2:32 PM

@LizziePinard getting dinosaurs to do cpd #eltchat

cybraryman1

2:32 PM

To unfossilize dinosaurs have a sharing blitz for CPD. My Smackdown pageΒ http://t.co/E8KupyTR #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:32 PM

@LizziePinard CPD for dinosaur Ts! #eltchat

JoshSRound

2:32 PM

as a DOS my approach is to recruit Ts who are self-directed learners already & hope a learning culture grows via peer2peer #eltchat #ELTchat

rliberni

2:32 PM

@theteacherjames  yes it shld be a given & those who don't want it don't join #eltchat

MarianSteiner

2:32 PM

β€@Marisa_C: School ldrs need to learn ways of making CPD attractive... #eltchatβ€ yes!otherwise it's yet another burden on their shoulders

LizziePinard

2:32 PM

#eltchat  hi all! what is the topic? :) I get half an hour at least! :-D

Marisa_C

2:32 PM

Here it is - a bit outdated now but happy for u to copy and make your own http://t.co/t5ZU7FcE #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:33 PM

@cybraryman1 the associations 'smackdown' brings to mind are making me giggle  #eltchat

saraginot

2:33 PM

@JoshSRound #ELTchat what do you do with the old teachers who were there before you got there

LizziePinard

2:33 PM

#eltchat make it non-threatening/welcoming

teacherphili

2:33 PM

@theteacherjames agree with you... I would look for that in a job interview (see later #eltchat topic).

JoshSRound

2:33 PM

RT @elawassell: @harrisonmike @joshsround @esolcourses true abt evry form of CPD- *showing* what U learned, how u changed #eltchat #ELTchat

jankenb2

2:33 PM

RT @MarianSteiner: β€@Marisa_C: School ldrs need to learn ways of making CPD attractive... #eltchatβ€ & "digestable" as small chunks of lrning

rliberni

2:33 PM

RT @AlexandraKouk: RT @Marisa_C: Here it is - a bit outdated now but happy for u to copy and make your own http://t.co/ejhJqudc #eltchat

LizziePinard

2:33 PM

@AlexandraKouk thanks! #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:33 PM

RT @cybraryman1: To unfossilize dinosaurs have a sharing blitz for CPD. My Smackdown pageΒ http://t.co/Diqrad3F #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:33 PM

@reasons4 Good for you, I imagine :-) #eltchat

esolcourses

2:33 PM

@harrisonmike: @JoshSRound agree - just wondering how we can shift the 'dinosaurs' from passive CPD mode to a more active one :) #eltchat

rliberni

2:33 PM

RT @cybraryman1: To unfossilize dinosaurs have a sharing blitz for CPD. My Smackdown pageΒ http://t.co/E8KupyTR #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:33 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Here it is - a bit outdated now but happy for u to copy and make your own http://t.co/ejhJqudc #eltchat

teflgeek

2:34 PM

@theteacherjames if in contract then CPD imposed, need ways to encourage T's to engage and benefit! Agree about hiring policy! #eltchat

rliberni

2:34 PM

RT @cioccas: Not every T needs to do same PD - do diff things & share learning back at school so all benefit #ELTchat

reasons4

2:34 PM

#eltchat I think CPD goes in cycles, sometimes you are keen as mustard sometimes you just want to get to the pub asap.

Marisa_C

2:34 PM

RT @cioccas: Not every T needs to do same PD - do diff things & share learning back at school so all benefit #ELTchat

teflerinha

2:34 PM

@saraginot  If culture really changes to #cpd in my experience they get into it- or leave  of own accord  #eltchat

JoshSRound

2:34 PM

@esolcourses that shift is the main challenge! #eltchat #ELTchat

cioccas

2:34 PM

Not every T needs to do same PD - do diff things & share learning back at school so all benefit #ELTchat

rliberni

2:35 PM

@reasons4  Gr8 point! We can't be all singing & all dancing all of the time :-) #eltchat

reasons4

2:35 PM

β€@theteacherjames: Good for you, I imagine :-) #eltchatβ€ I've never regretted quitting for one minute :-)  never want to DOS again

Marisa_C

2:35 PM

One important point emerning from many people's comments: CPD cannot be enforced - u do it when u need it when good & ready #ELTchat

MarianSteiner

2:35 PM

@jankenb2 @Marisa_C think we can safely say same "rule of thumb" apply for CPD courses as for our own lessons #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:35 PM

Plenty of ideas on diff forms of CPD here: http://t.co/vACJ6Sl6  #eltchat

rliberni

2:35 PM

RT @reasons4: #eltchat I think CPD goes in cycles, sometimes you are keen as mustard sometimes you just want to get to the pub asap.

jankenb2

2:35 PM

@JoshSRound #eltchat @esolcourses This drifts onto training vs education. Theory based CPD will invigorate because it leads to ownership.

rliberni

2:35 PM

RT @teflerinha: @saraginot  If culture really changes to #cpd in my experience they get into it- or leave  of own accord  #eltchat

teacherphili

2:35 PM

instrinsically motivated CDG can sometimes be more successful than imposed CPD although latter still welcome #eltchat @theteacherjames

worldteacher

2:36 PM

RT @cioccas: Not every T needs to do same PD - do diff things & share learning back at school so all benefit #ELTchat >Agreed!

rliberni

2:36 PM

@teflgeek  I think @theteacherjames meant in the contract to provide opportunities to the teacher not owr #eltchat

JoshSRound

2:36 PM

@saraginot lucky that weren't many here, & some have left. a few remain but they still hav other qualities!! :)) #eltchat #ELTchat

teflgeek

2:36 PM

@cioccas surely every teacher needs to think about how to be a better teacher?  Isn't that the point of CPD?  #eltchat

reasons4

2:37 PM

β€@rliberni: @teacherphili  CDG? #eltchatβ€ charles degaulle I think :-)

cioccas

2:37 PM

@teflgeek :-) #ELTchat

LizziePinard

2:37 PM

@Marisa_C invite them to share the "perfection" and then challenge it! :-) #eltchat

teflerinha

2:37 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @teacherphili @teflgeek Nt sure it shld B seen as 'imposed' (even if  tru), presentation shld B vry careful. #eltchat

rliberni

2:37 PM

RT @AlexandraKouk: Plenty of ideas on diff forms of CPD here: http://t.co/vACJ6Sl6  #eltchat

teflgeek

2:37 PM

@cioccas sorry misread your tweet - didn't see word "same" #eltchat

rliberni

2:37 PM

@teacherphili  CDG? #eltchat

cioccas

2:37 PM

@teflgeek Yes, of course, but not all need to attend same course, workshop etc., - surely? #ELTchat

reasons4

2:37 PM

β€@rliberni: @reasons4  Gr8 point! We can't be all singing & all dancing all of the time :-) #eltchatβ€ thank you

rliberni

2:37 PM

RT @teacherphili: instrinsically motivated CDG can sometimes be more successful than imposed CPD although latter still welcome #eltchat @theteacherjames

theteacherjames

2:37 PM

@teacherphili @teflgeek Not sure it should be seen as 'imposed' (even if that's true), presentation should be very careful. #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:37 PM

@teflgeek Yes but some Ts think they're pretty hot stuff anyways and nothing should touch this perfection !!!! :-)  #eltchat

esolcourses

2:37 PM

@JoshSRound @elawassell @harrisonmike again, I agree - though IME, CPD can be 'very directed', & that can be problematic for t's #ELTChat

esolcourses

2:38 PM

@JoshSRound @elawassell @harrisonmike IMO, teachers need to be allowed some degree of autonomy & have a say in how they develop #ELTChat

cioccas

2:38 PM

@rliberni @reasons4 @teacherphili Have we found out what CDG is yet?  #ELTchat

JoshSRound

2:38 PM

@cioccas @teflgeek yes attendance at workshops etc must be voluntary #eltchat #ELTchat

LizziePinard

2:38 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @rliberni @teflgeek Yes, opportunities offered linked to the conditions of pay rises / contract renewals etc. #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:38 PM

RT @teflgeek: Ken Wilson on presenting CPD: http://t.co/P1RBvhXl #eltchat

teacherphili

2:38 PM

not taking part in CPD might be a employer's underhand mechanism to dismiss 'dinosaurs' #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:38 PM

@rliberni @teflgeek Yes, opportunities offered linked to the conditions of pay rises / contract renewals etc. #eltchat

teflgeek

2:39 PM

@marisa_c I have an ongoing issue with a colleague's "approach", but keep getting told the students like him and that's that. #eltchat

teflerinha

2:39 PM

RT @esolcourses: @JoshSRound @elawassell @harrisonmike  teachers need 2B allowed sum degree of autonomy & have a say in how develop #ELTChat

michaelegriffin

2:39 PM

My (likely overly simplicistic) idea in regards to CPD at work with dino peers is to just start w/ keen ones n dinos MIGHT follow. #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:39 PM

@rliberni you mean like ISO etc where Ts have to have crtn certificates?  #eltchat

reasons4

2:39 PM

β€@cioccas: @rliberni @reasons4 @teacherphili Have we found out what CDG is yet?  #ELTchatβ€ i'll google it :-)

louisealix68

2:39 PM

can CPD also be "invisible" i.e. via reflection? Then maybe some of these guys are doing CPD very well!?? #eltchat

cioccas

2:39 PM

RT @esolcourses: "teachers need to be allowed some degree of autonomy & have a say in how they develop" #ELTChat <Of course!

rliberni

2:39 PM

@Marisa_C  How does that impact on an organisation's requirement to 'do' PD as with accreditation for example? #eltchat

keisenhow

2:39 PM

RT @Marisa_C: @teflgeek Yes but some Ts think they're pretty hot stuff anyways and nothing should touch this perfection !!!! :-)  #eltchat

cybraryman1

2:40 PM

Give CPD in a TeachMeet or edcamp version so teachers have choices or can give sessions My PD pageΒ http://t.co/ahSK5C8j #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:40 PM

Perhaps resistance to change goes against vry nature of learning n teaching- hat point do we draw line n consider dino a lost case? #eltchat

jankenb2

2:40 PM

@cioccas Yes eg Com of Practice applies: pool resources and brainstorm ideas http://t.co/2dy1a7EB  4 theory background. #eltchat good exam

rliberni

2:41 PM

@teacherphili  thanks :-) #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:41 PM

I think a lot of what needs to be done to instigate CPD is at leader level motivation,encouragement, stimulation-a career structure #eltchat

cioccas

2:41 PM

@jankenb2 Yes, I'm in the middle of trying to establish a CoP for PD with my peers in my college at the moment #ELTchat

teflgeek

2:41 PM

@theteacherjames here, completion of different CPD courses linked to percentage increments on salary.  #eltchat

SueAnnan

2:41 PM

Hi everyone. This was my topic so I'm trying to take part #ELTchat

rliberni

2:41 PM

@Marisa_C  I mean like BC accreditation where is has to be documented  and at regular intervals #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:42 PM

@teflgeek A bit too regimented for my tastes. would prefer to be rewarded based on more my DoS perception of my improvement. #eltchat

teflerinha

2:42 PM

@timjulian60  Like many sordid things, bet it's quite effective! #eltchat

cioccas

2:42 PM

RT @worldteacher: @SueAnnan Hi Sue - good topic!! #eltchat Agreed!

rliberni

2:42 PM

@cioccas  Co-operative Development Group. #eltchat

timjulian60

2:42 PM

We pay a bonus (double the hourly teaching rate) to Ts who offer to lead a PD session (so sordid!) #eltchat

worldteacher

2:42 PM

@SueAnnan Hi Sue - good topic!! #eltchat

teflerinha

2:42 PM

RT @Marisa_C: I think a lot of wht needs 2 B done 2 instigate CPD is at leader level motivation,encouragement..-a career structure #eltchat

jankenb2

2:42 PM

RT @louisealix68: can CPD also be "invisible" i.e. via reflection? Reflection is Self Reg Lrn.-requires knowledge of basic theory #eltchat

teflerinha

2:43 PM

@Marisa_C  And because they don't enjoy teaching #eltchat

teacherphili

2:43 PM

for those unfamiliar with CD (Cooperative Development) & CDGs - http://t.co/oswCCgFn #eltchat - again, it's not for everyone!

elawassell

2:43 PM

@Marisa_C the problem is when leaders are dinosaurs themselves. Can be frustrating. #eltchat

rliberni

2:43 PM

@cioccas  as in cooperative? acronyms!! ***  #eltchat

jankenb2

2:43 PM

#eltchat @rliberni @Marisa_C How many purposes are there for CPD? We have licensing, enrichment, crises management, curr. dev., IT, all diff

worldteacher

2:43 PM

RT @teflerinha: @timjulian60  Like many sordid things, bet it's quite effective! #eltchat >Like it!! :-)

timjulian60

2:43 PM

@teflerinha  works like a charm! #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:43 PM

@rliberni There is a sad saying that people who are useless get pusshed in management positions cos nowhere else to go  #eltchat

rliberni

2:44 PM

@Marisa_C  true but I think a lot of CPD is actually box-ticking as it is 'required' by someone else #eltchat

cioccas

2:44 PM

@teacherphili Thanks for link #ELTchat

teflgeek

2:44 PM

@theteacherjames but this then becomes subjective and open to interpretation.  What if you feel you've improved but DOS doesn't #eltchat

JoshSRound

2:45 PM

worth saying that development can happen in many small & simple ways e.g. trying out sth new in class #eltchat #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:45 PM

@esolcourses Yes!!! lol  #ELTChat

cioccas

2:45 PM

@rliberni @Marisa_C Too true too often! As someone said earlier "Take the PD seriously" is kay #ELTchat

louisealix68

2:45 PM

Off to do some reading (very 'on topic'!) #eltchat

esolcourses

2:45 PM

@Marisa_C @rliberni a.k.a. the Peter Princlple - "employees tend to rise to their level of incompetence." ;-) http://t.co/aKgHzLcl #ELTChat

rliberni

2:45 PM

RT @reasons4: β€@teacherphili: for those unfamiliar with CD (Cooperative Development) & CDGs - http://t.co/kRVgdEJ2 #eltchat - !β€ cheers

reasons4

2:45 PM

β€@teacherphili: for those unfamiliar with CD (Cooperative Development) & CDGs - http://t.co/kRVgdEJ2 #eltchat - !β€ cheers

theteacherjames

2:45 PM

@teflgeek True, I suppose it's a bit like comparing test with portfolios. #eltchat

rliberni

2:46 PM

@esolcourses  yes sure but where it is a 'rule' then it's going to be done just to satisfy the rule without any thought really imo #eltchat

cioccas

2:46 PM

RT @JoshSRound: worth saying that development can happen in many small & simple ways e.g. trying out sth new in class #eltchat #ELTchat

LizziePinard

2:46 PM

RT @jankenb2: @teflerinha @Marisa_C #eltchat Ts may not enjoy it B/C they don't value ed as science, strategy and theory app. Pedagogy makes ELT rewarding

theteacherjames

2:46 PM

@teflgeek And maybe it's a reward for commitment rather than improvement. Should be tangible proof for that. #eltchat

jankenb2

2:46 PM

@teflerinha @Marisa_C #eltchat Ts may not enjoy it B/C they don't value ed as science, strategy and theory app. Pedagogy makes ELT rewarding

jankenb2

2:47 PM

@esolcourses #eltchat @rliberni No, it's not like that. Most Ts want success.They b/cm lost & rationalize fear of failure as cause to quit.

SueAnnan

2:47 PM

@rliberni  which was my point- how do we make it meaningful and motivate our colleagues #ELTchat

teflgeek

2:47 PM

@theteacherjames true, there is the unspoken assumption that attendance equals improvement (true of much of teaching, no?) #eltchat

worldteacher

2:47 PM

@teflgeek I'm just striving to be the best teacher I can be. #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:47 PM

I don't think we have answered the main question though - how can WE as colleagues motivate the D;s ? #ELTchat

BobK99

2:47 PM

@SueAnnan @Marisa_C  #ELTchat Googl 'Peter Principle' - ppl keep being promoted  until incompetence apparent, and stay there. Similr idea :)

rliberni

2:47 PM

RT @JoshSRound: worth saying that development can happen in many small & simple ways e.g. trying out sth new in class #eltchat #ELTchat

AlexandraKouk

2:47 PM

So are we talking about an attitude change first? #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:48 PM

Use guile: ask them for their help with your class! #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:48 PM

@teflgeek Yes, it's complicated to assess fairly (another common theme!) #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:48 PM

I think it's important to highlight achievements and accomplishements of other TS who HAVE been doing CPD #ELTchat

saraginot

2:48 PM

@Marisa_C #eltchat maybe our first problem is that we call them "dinousaurs"-trying to change people is always hard and we lk at them negat

rliberni

2:48 PM

@esolcourses  obviously schools worth their salt won't do this but  many might  just to tick the box #eltchat

elawassell

2:48 PM

RT β€@JoshSRound: worth saying that development can happen in many small & simple ways e.g. trying out sth new in class #eltchat β€

michaelegriffin

2:49 PM

@Marisa_C #ELTchat Show the fruits of our CPD labors? :)

cioccas

2:49 PM

@Marisa_C This book has some great ideas: Differentiating Professional Development: The Principal’s Role http://t.co/F5aNFiZ2 #ELTchat

BobK99

2:49 PM

@esolcourses #ELTChat Snap!

LizziePinard

2:49 PM

RT @reasons4: β€@saraginot: @Marisa_C #eltchat maybe our first problem is that we call them "dinousaurs"- Agreed

teacherphili

2:49 PM

@rliberni @Marisa_C Agreed. In my last job I would have only been re-hired if I had attended sufficient number of CPD sessions. #eltchat

worldteacher

2:49 PM

RT @Marisa_C: I think it's important to highlight achievements and accomplishements of other TS who HAVE been doing CPD #ELTchat >Agreed!

Marisa_C

2:49 PM

@reasons4 that's waht i mean - give us some ideas!! #ELTchat

jankenb2

2:49 PM

@Marisa_C How? Share what works well, often and w/errors outlined too. Don't be afraid to ask ?s & then brainstm w/new or master Ts.#eltchat

rliberni

2:49 PM

@jankenb2  we were discussing provision rather than teacher involvement #eltchat

reasons4

2:49 PM

β€@saraginot: @Marisa_C #eltchat maybe our first problem is that we call them "dinousaurs"- Agreed

esolcourses

2:49 PM

@rliberni agree - In essence, think the question is how do we move 'dinosaurs' from a reactive stance to a pro-active one? #ELTChat

Marisa_C

2:49 PM

RT @reasons4: @Marisa_C  enocurage them to led training sessions, encourage them to mentor other teachers, pay them more, :-) #ELTchat

cioccas

2:50 PM

@Marisa_C Sorry that I've mentioned this book so many times, but it really is useful for many of the things we've discussed today! #ELTchat

elawassell

2:50 PM

@teflgeek #eltchat be better teachers, CPD prevents burnouts, motivates. U can't teach if you don't learn!

michaelegriffin

2:50 PM

RT @teflerinha #eltchat Focus on their strengths, encourage, reassure, give ownership (and pay them more!) >Nicely said. :)

saraginot

2:50 PM

@michaelegriffin @Marisa_C #eltchat agree-show enthusiasm and don't try to show all the CPD at once - one small idea for starters

rliberni

2:50 PM

@esolcourses  yes at an individual level - this was on the end of a point about allowing teachers to choose what & when #eltchat

reasons4

2:50 PM

β€@Marisa_C: I think it's important to highlight achievements and accomplishements of others #ELTchatβ€ Hm I'd prefer criteria referencing

teflerinha

2:50 PM

#eltchat Focus on their strengths, encourage, reassure, give ownership (and pay them more!)

LizziePinard

2:51 PM

RT @michaelegriffin: @saraginot #ELTchat Good idea bout little by little and not overwhelming. Important to keep in mind! :)

michaelegriffin

2:51 PM

@saraginot #ELTchat Good idea bout little by little and not overwhelming. Important to keep in mind! :)

worldteacher

2:51 PM

@cioccas I'm so looking forward to reading it later - after the number of plugs, it must be a winner!! :-) #eltchat

jankenb2

2:51 PM

@AlexandraKouk Offer 2 mentor, create dialog, ask specific ?s about their practice Get thm 2 feel wanted & valued. #eltchat It's "presence"

LizziePinard

2:51 PM

RT @elawassell: @teflgeek #eltchat be better teachers, CPD prevents burnouts, motivates. U can't teach if you don't learn!

teflgeek

2:51 PM

@esolcourses I think the answer might lie in the action research project cycle?  #eltchat

LizziePinard

2:51 PM

RT @teflerinha: #eltchat Focus on their strengths, encourage, reassure, give ownership (and pay them more!)

SueAnnan

2:51 PM

RT @reasons4: it's important 2 highlight achievements & accomplishements of others #ELTchatβ€ Hm I'd prefer criteria referencing # why?

AlexandraKouk

2:51 PM

RT @cioccas:This book has some great ideas: Differentiating Professional Development: The Principal’s Role http://t.co/WKA8swWh #eltchat

SueAnnan

2:52 PM

So where would you start?#ELTchat

rliberni

2:52 PM

@esolcourses  no prob - to be honest I couldn't remember where I started with this Yikes!!!*** #eltchat

jankenb2

2:52 PM

@SueAnnan  Great point. Sharing fab rubrics that on teaching is one way to stimulate discussion. Compare and contrast TESOL with ? #eltchat

LizziePinard

2:52 PM

RT @reasons4: @SueAnnan: why? cos it is not about comparing with others but what you can do for yourself. #eltchat

cioccas

2:52 PM

@worldteacher I only discovered it last Sat & keep finding little gems to throw to my manager & director :-) #ELTchat

reasons4

2:52 PM

@SueAnnan: why? cos it is not about comparing with others but what you can do for yourself. #eltchat

BobK99

2:52 PM

@AlexandraKouk  #eltchat Aha! So THAT's it: Cunning, Deception, and Guile :)

esolcourses

2:52 PM

RT @rliberni: @esolcourses  yes and what I meant was that sometimes it is & has to be because of external rules #eltchat ] yes, you're right

keisenhow

2:52 PM

PD means Personal Decision (to grow, improve and advance).  It has to come from within. #eltchat

worldteacher

2:52 PM

RT @elawassell: @teflgeek #eltchat be better teachers, CPD prevents burnouts, motivates. U can't teach if you don't learn! >Absolutely!

LizziePinard

2:52 PM

RT @AlexandraKouk: Use guile: ask them for their help with your class! #eltchat

esolcourses

2:52 PM

@rliberni sorry - lots of different points being made at the same time to juggle &  process!  #ELTChat

rliberni

2:52 PM

@esolcourses  yes and what I meant was that sometimes it is & has to be because of external rules #eltchat

cioccas

2:53 PM

RT @michaelegriffin: ... focus on what some people r doing  #ELTchat and leave it 2 them to implement <YES!

SueAnnan

2:53 PM

@teflerinha  been thinking about making a video- anyone done that?#ELTchat

keisenhow

2:53 PM

maybe CPD means Conscious Personal Decision.  It's a responsibility to self first, I think.  Lead by example. #eltchat

esolcourses

2:53 PM

@rliberni although OTOH, there is no law that says that teachers can't bolt on additional development, on top of CPD minimum #ELTChat

cioccas

2:53 PM

@BobK99 @AlexandraKouk Tee hee :) #ELTchat

rliberni

2:53 PM

RT @reasons4: @SueAnnan: why? cos it is not about comparing with others but what you can do for yourself. #eltchat

teflerinha

2:53 PM

@SueAnnan  Let them observe you? #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:53 PM

Maybe getting away from what think dinos  *SHOULD be doing but focus on what some people r doing  #ELTchat and leave it 2 them to implement

AlexandraKouk

2:53 PM

@BobK99 CDG, right! #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:54 PM

RT @keisenhow: maybe CPD means Conscious Personal Decision.  It's a responsibility to self first, I think.  Lead by example. #eltchat

SueAnnan

2:54 PM

@michaelegriffin  we do that every MOnday #ELTchat

PatrickAndrews

2:54 PM

@SueAnnan Sorry joing in late but what strikes me is that professional development can come in many forms #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:54 PM

RT @keisenhow: maybe CPD means Conscious Personal Decision.  Its a responsibility to self first, I think.  Lead by example. #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:54 PM

@teflerinha @SueAnnan Co plan a class? #ELTchat

saraginot

2:54 PM

@SueAnnan #eltchat first you have to interest them-share a CPD project you did first-telling them they have to do CPD will never wrk

LizziePinard

2:54 PM

RT @keisenhow: maybe CPD means Conscious Personal Decision.  It's a responsibility to self first, I think.  Lead by example. #eltchat

teflerinha

2:55 PM

@reasons4  Agree, shouldn't be a model lesson- more about spirit of openness #eltchat

reasons4

2:55 PM

β€@theteacherjames: If I was a Dos, ... CPD is vital, however they choose to do it, & with my support. #eltchatβ€ wish you were my DOS :-)

MarianSteiner

2:55 PM

#eltchat how about showing them the transcript of this eltchat with a meaningful ahem.. ;)

jankenb2

2:55 PM

@reasons4 @SueAnnan N/comparing 2 others, but 1self. Well written benchmarks R forms of PD themselves. Wht is T obser w/o +rubric? #eltchat

teflerinha

2:55 PM

RT @michaelegriffin: @teflerinha @SueAnnan Co plan a class? #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:55 PM

distractions in the office - sorry #Eltchat

rliberni

2:55 PM

@SueAnnan  meaningful may be a subjective thing & we can only exude our enthusiasm - horses to water & all that :-) #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:55 PM

If I was a Dos, then I would tell my Ts right from the 1st day that CPD is vital, however they choose to do it, & with my support. #eltchat

teflerinha

2:55 PM

@SueAnnan Of yr teaching? gd idea. Think important 2 model openness & willingness 2 discuss yr practice (and accept criticism) #eltchat

PatrickAndrews

2:55 PM

@SueAnnan ..and perhaps many are doing it in relative privacy #eltchat

esolcourses

2:56 PM

RT @theteacherjames: Surely the most important question is how we prevent people from becoming stuck in the 1st place? #eltchat

rliberni

2:56 PM

RT @theteacherjames: Surely the most important question is how we prevent people from becoming stuck in the 1st place? #eltchat

GaryJones01

2:56 PM

@teflerinha #eltchat lots of EFL teachers are abused by schools: insecurity, low pay, zero feedback unless it's negative..

theteacherjames

2:56 PM

Surely the most important question is how we prevent people from becoming stuck in the 1st place? #eltchat

esolcourses

2:56 PM

@teflgeek for some maybe, though action research is not always expected & keeping current in prof. practice tends to be the norm  #ELTChat

michaelegriffin

2:56 PM

#ELTchat @SueAnnan Nice...ive really gotten a lot out of this. Especially seeing how we might deliver it differently.

JoshSRound

2:56 PM

Have to go. Thx  for gr8 #eltchat ! Off to a learning event this afternoon ;-)) #cpd see you soon! #ELTchat

rliberni

2:56 PM

@esolcourses  absolutely & I'm sure that the  enthusiastic ones will - can't keep a good man/woman down! #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:56 PM

FIVE minutes before end of #ELTchat - Please describe ONE positive action you are taking back into your staffroom for CPD

cybraryman1

2:57 PM

Get your colleagues on Twitter for CPD. If you were looking for ancient Dinosaurs-my pageΒ http://t.co/xL4fi4tp #eltchat #eltchat

rliberni

2:57 PM

The most important thing to take back is to provide the right support for teachers to move forward with CPD #eltchat

reasons4

2:57 PM

β€@theteacherjames: Surely the most imp q is how we prevent people from becoming stuck…? #eltchatβ€ gd point see my comment re cycles though

theteacherjames

2:57 PM

@reasons4 Are you sure? You know my favourite approach to teaching, don't you? I might force you to join us... :-D #thedword #eltchat

SueAnnan

2:57 PM

RT @Marisa_C: FIVE minutes before end of #ELTchat - Please describe ONE positive action you are taking back into your staffroom for CPD

keisenhow

2:57 PM

Stay the course, keep the balance and be always forward thinking and moving! #eltchat

teflgeek

2:57 PM

@marisa_c Personalised CPD - helping people get where they want to go. #eltchat

esolcourses

2:57 PM

RT @GaryJones01: @teflerinha #eltchat lots of EFL teachers are abused by schools: insecurity, low pay, zero feedback unless it's negative..

pterolaur

2:57 PM

YES MT @keisenhow: Maybe CPD means Conscious Personal Decision...lead by example #eltchat

jankenb2

2:57 PM

@SueAnnan @michaelegriffin  Good #eltchat " future topic: "My failures" or "My best intentions gone terribly wrong" learning by error is gd

teflerinha

2:57 PM

RT @theteacherjames: Surely the most important question is how we prevent people from becoming stuck in the 1st place? #eltchat Yes, imp!

rliberni

2:58 PM

RT @cybraryman1: Get your colleagues on Twitter for CPD. If you were looking for ancient Dinosaurs-my pageΒ http://t.co/xL4fi4tp #eltchat #eltchat

elawassell

2:58 PM

@teflgeek also without CPD ppl often go backwards #eltchat

cioccas

2:58 PM

@teflgeek @marisa_c Check the book link I've posted several time - it has some great suggestions for this! #ELTchat

PatrickAndrews

2:58 PM

@esolcourses @teflgeek Current in prof practice could mean a large variety.  Reading research, keeping up to date with textbooks #eltchat

teflerinha

2:58 PM

@esolcourses @GaryJones01 Yes, absolutely. And this is probably where unwilligness to develop starts. #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:58 PM

RT @theteacherjames: Surely the most important question is how we prevent people from becoming stuck in the 1st place? #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:59 PM

RT @keisenhow: Stay the course, keep the balance and be always forward thinking and moving! #eltchat

MarianSteiner

2:59 PM

β€@keisenhow: Be there for your colleagues the same way you are for your students. #eltchatβ€ great summary!

Harmerj

2:59 PM

Have been reading about CPD #eltchat a great discussion. Wish I'd come along earlier. In case it's not too later….

Marisa_C

2:59 PM

RT @cybraryman1: Get your colleagues on Twitter for CPD. myDinosaurs-my pageΒ http://t.co/CQbqmjbA #eltchat #eltchat

SueAnnan

2:59 PM

Have to go back to work now. Fascinating discussion.#ELTchat

Begabungs

2:59 PM

RT @cybraryman1: Get your colleagues on Twitter for CPD. If you were looking for ancient Dinosaurs-my pageΒ http://t.co/xL4fi4tp #eltchat #eltchat

teacherphili

2:59 PM

Thx for the chat. Was my 2nd choice but 12 is more convenient time than 9. Think I will continue to vote tactically in future polls #eltchat

BobK99

2:59 PM

RT @JoshSRound: Have to go. Thx  for gr8 #eltchat ! ... #ELTchat > Ditto. Thx all, esp to mods

Marisa_C

2:59 PM

RT @cioccas: @teflgeek @marisa_c Check the book link I've posted several time - it has some great suggestions for this! #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:59 PM

RT @cioccas: @teflgeek @marisa_c Check the book link I've posted several time - it has some great suggestions for this! #ELTchat

saraginot

2:59 PM

RT @keisenhow: Be there for your colleagues the same way you are for your students. #eltchat

saraginot

2:59 PM

RT @keisenhow: Be there for your colleagues the same way you are for your students. #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:59 PM

RT @keisenhow: Be there for your colleagues the same way you are for your students. #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:59 PM

@cioccas OK i will !!!! once chat is not rushing past my ears :-D  #ELTchat

keisenhow

2:59 PM

Be there for your colleagues the same way you are for your students. #eltchat

jankenb2

3:00 PM

RT @elawassell: @teflgeek also without CPD ppl often go backwards #eltchat Yes. Ruts R  n/good. CPD costs time and $. Using soc media costs.

cioccas

3:00 PM

@Marisa_C :-) Most of it you already know, but the case is put strongly so good for pushing up the line! #ELTchat

rliberni

3:00 PM

Great chat on an important topic. Thanks to my amazing co-mod and real evangelist of CPD @Marisa_C  #eltchat

teflgeek

3:00 PM

@esolcourses was just thinking of alternatives to people sitting in a room and not wanting to be there. #eltchat

Marisa_C

3:00 PM

RT @teflgeek: @marisa_c Personalised CPD - helping people get where they want to go. #eltchat

PatrickAndrews

3:00 PM

@elawassell @teflgeek I wonder whether this is always true though - what about if they reflect on what they do or is this CPD? #eltchat

cioccas

3:01 PM

Thanks to our fab moderators @rliberni @Marisa_C  and @SueAnnan for suggesting the topic! #eltchat

Marisa_C

3:01 PM

@rliberni Thanks for being there as ever @riberni - don't know how i could caught all those tweets rushing about without you :-)  #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

3:01 PM

Amazing chat, everyone - thank you !!!  #eltchat

worldteacher

3:01 PM

@Marisa_C I'll do the summary for today's #eltchat if you can wait till the weekend.

elawassell

3:01 PM

RTβ€@GaryJones01: @teflerinha #eltchat lots of EFL teachers are abused by schools: insecurity, low pay, zero feedback unless it's negative..β€

MarianSteiner

3:01 PM

β€@rliberni: Great chat on an important topic. Thanks to my amazing co-mod and real evangelist of CPD @Marisa_C  #eltchatβ€ TY all!

reasons4

3:02 PM

β€@Marisa_C: @reasons4 job interview  #eltchatβ€ oh interesting, I hve one of those soon :-)

teflgeek

3:02 PM

@esolcourses yep - good point. #eltchat

theteacherjames

3:02 PM

RT @cioccas: Thanks to our fab moderators @rliberni @Marisa_C  and @SueAnnan for suggesting the topic! #eltchat

worldteacher

3:02 PM

@Marisa_C I've already volunteered! Don't know that I'm angelic though!! #eltchat

jankenb2

3:02 PM

Caio all. Thanks. See you next week. Learned 1) CPD is continuous prof dev. 2) CPD can/b ongoing and online. 3) #eltchat is place to start.

teflgeek

3:02 PM

@esolcourses maybe as part of a mentoring system? #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

3:02 PM

RT @cioccas: Thanks to our fab moderators @rliberni @Marisa_C  and @SueAnnan for suggesting the topic! #eltchat

Marisa_C

3:02 PM

So whis angelic creature is eagerly awaiting to do the summary ? #Eltchat

reasons4

3:02 PM

@rliberni @Marisa_C thanks all  what's the #eltchat topic tonight ?

esolcourses

3:02 PM

@teflgeek personally, I suspect the key to motivating people to do it is to allow them choice, rather than impose requirements #ELTChat

theteacherjames

3:02 PM

@teacherphili It rotates Phil, so you'll have to be very attentive! #eltchat

teflgeek

3:03 PM

RT @cioccas: Thanks to our fab moderators @rliberni @Marisa_C  and @SueAnnan for suggesting the topic! #eltchat > Thanks all!

Marisa_C

3:03 PM

RT @cioccas: RT @cioccas: @Marisa_C Andrea #worldteacher has already offered #ELTchat > SHe's BOOKED!!!! :-D

esolcourses

3:03 PM

@teflgeek IME, CPD often seems to be seen by orgs. in terms of 'this is what we want you to do, or how we want you to develop' #ELTChat

LizziePinard

3:03 PM

#eltchat thanks all great chat! :)

cioccas

3:03 PM

RT @cioccas: @Marisa_C Andrea #worldteacher has already offered #ELTchat

Marisa_C

3:03 PM

CPD=Cajoling Protesting Dinosaurs :-) #eltchat

keisenhow

3:03 PM

Take away message received! Super chat.  Thanks for letting me join in. #eltchat

teflerinha

3:03 PM

#eltchat Thanks everyone!  Stimulating chat (have developed continuously and professionally this last hour)

Harmerj

3:04 PM

thanks to  #eltchat for gr8 discussion. Too late 2say that 'develop' (in TD) = not transitive verb! But carrots needed & celebrating success

Marisa_C

3:04 PM

@keisenhow :-D @ _@  >>> #eltchat

cioccas

3:04 PM

RT @teflerinha: #eltchat Thanks everyone!  Stimulating chat (have developed continuously and professionally this last hour) < Hear hear!

esolcourses

3:04 PM

RT @teflgeek: @esolcourses maybe as part of a mentoring system? #eltchat ] yes - mentoring is good; & also good for mentors as well #ELTChat

Marisa_C

3:04 PM

@keisenhow you re always welcome and #eltchat is open to all teachers

keisenhow

3:04 PM

@Marisa_C you're bad, but I like your style! :>) #eltchat

worldteacher

3:04 PM

RT @teflerinha: #eltchat Thanks everyone!  Stimulating chat (have developed continuously and professionally this last hour) >Me too!!

cioccas

3:04 PM

RT @cioccas: RT @cioccas: @Marisa_C Andrea @worldteacher has already offered #ELTchat <slippery fingers tonight!

keisenhow

3:05 PM

@Marisa_C Thanks!  Tweet you soon. #eltchat

Marisa_C

3:05 PM

@Harmerj we'll remember the carrots metaphor and use it in a series of recipes - carrot cake/mousse/etc Thx Jeremy  #eltchat

elawassell

3:05 PM

#eltchat thank you everyone! @Marisa_C @riberni

cioccas

3:05 PM

RT @worldteacher: @Marisa_C I've already volunteered! Don't know that I'm angelic though!! #eltchat < Oh yes you are ^_^

NikkiFortova

3:05 PM

I'm sorry I missed the rest of #eltchat - I got called away. Looking forward to the summary. Have a lovely afternoon everyone :-)

worldteacher

3:06 PM

@cioccas Aww, thanks Lesley!! :-) #eltchat

timjulian60

3:06 PM

thanks  everyone, bye #eltchat

esolcourses

3:06 PM

Thanks for another great #ELTChat everyone, and to mods @rliberni @Marisa_C for keeping everyone on track! Catch you later :-)

Marisa_C

3:07 PM

Hey thx to all for this fast and interesting #ELTchat - don't know if  solved the problem but we've certainly shared some encouragement

elawassell

3:07 PM

RT @Harmerj: thanks to  #eltchat for gr8 discussion. Too late 2say that 'develop' (in TD) = not transitive verb! But carrots needed & celebrating success

keisenhow

3:07 PM

Where can I read the summary? #eltchat

worldteacher

3:08 PM

@keisenhow On my blog at the weekend when I've written it!! :-) Transcript will be up sooner, though! #eltchat

Marisa_C

3:08 PM

@worldteacher willl send u transript later this p.m. Andrea - going into a session now  #eltchat

worldteacher

3:09 PM

@Marisa_C OK - will look out for it in the morning. Thanks! #eltchat

keisenhow

3:10 PM

Good night.  Good chat! #eltchat

Marisa_C

3:11 PM

See you all later for job interviews and stuff - at 21.00 p.m. BST #ELTchat

elawassell

3:11 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Hey thx to all for this fast and interesting #ELTchat - don't know if  solved the problem but we've certainly shared some encouragement

Marisa_C

3:13 PM

@SueAnnan Tell all your D-friends we ve been talking about them :-) they might feel intrigued and come follow #ELTchat :-)

cioccas

3:17 PM

@Marisa_C @SueAnnan Been there, tried that - several times :-) #ELTchat

puredream90

3:38 PM

RT @MarianSteiner: β€@keisenhow: Be there for your colleagues the same way you are for your students. #eltchatβ€ great summary!

reasons4

3:43 PM

Bit late for #eltchat but 1 way we could get reluctant people to think abt CPD wd be a short snappy manageable blog http://t.co/I0aB8Uz6 :-)

cybraryman1

3:45 PM

Wed Chats Part I: #ELTchat (2) #ClavEd #ntchat #ptchat #2ndchat #libchat #yalitchat #ctchat #3rdchat #spnchat http://t.co/7GZnqUhR

jankenb2

3:54 PM

RT@reasons4 #eltchat but 1 way we could get reluctant ppl 2 think abt CPD wd be a short snappy manageable blog http://t.co/kNMkk72Z G8 idea!

michaelegriffin

4:14 PM

RT @jankenb2: @SueAnnan @michaelegriffin  Good #eltchat " future topic: "My failures" or "My best intentions gone terribly wrong" learning by error is gd

terkeurss

4:50 PM

RT @Harmerj: Have been reading about CPD #eltchat a great discussion. Wish I'd come along earlier. In case it's not too later….

chiasuan

5:40 PM

RT @Marisa_C: CPD=Cajoling Protesting Dinosaurs :-) #eltchat

SueAnnan

6:34 PM

@cioccas @Marisa_C I wish- ive bn trying 4 a couple of years. It only works on the trainees , cos they dont know difft:-) #ELTchat