| username |
time |
status |
| Marisa_C |
7:59 PM |
Nice post by Chris Cotter http://t.co/HdVKJ7gz on teacher observation #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
8:07 PM |
And a great find on Google book - Yay "Classroom Observation tasks" by Ruth Wanjrhapfrer anyway Ms Dictogloss http://t.co/6JAfqvjM #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
8:13 PM |
“@Marisa_C OK back in one hour for #ELTchat! Be good!†|
| vickyloras |
8:13 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: And a great find on Google book - Yay "Classroom Observation tasks" by Ruth Wanjrhapfrer anyway Ms Dictogloss http://t.co/6JAfqvjM #eltchat |
| SophiaMav |
8:14 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Nice post by Chris Cotter http://t.co/7SDe1OIX on teacher observation #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
8:19 PM |
Teacher Observations: Why you should be doing self-observation', by @nutrich http://t.co/NSOD9rRG via @JoshSRound, @TesolTrainingUk #eltchat |
| eannegrenoble |
8:24 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: opic for 2nd #ELTchat today: What is the best practice for observing teachers? Sending you some links to think about http://t.co/zmIEUs60 |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:00 PM |
Ah #eltchat time [again!] :) |
| Shaunwilden |
9:00 PM |
Evening All, What is best practice for observing teachers? is tonight's topic #ELTchat everyone ready? |
| ShellTerrell |
9:01 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Evening All, What is best practice for observing teachers? is tonight's topic #ELTchat everyone ready? |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:01 PM |
@Shaunwilden Seams like only a few hours ago...oh wait #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:01 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: My tweets dedicated in the next hour to #eltchat We are talking about best practices for teacher observation |
| Shaunwilden |
9:01 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson comes around quicky doesnt it #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:02 PM |
Hello everyone and welcome to #ELtchat @Shaunwilden @ShellTerrell & me moderating - remember to use #ELTchat every tweet |
| seldaakkaya_ |
9:02 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Topic for 2nd #ELTchat today: What is the best practice for observing teachers? Join us in abt 2 hours and RT pls |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:02 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Evening All, What is best practice for observing teachers? is tonight's topic #ELTchat everyone ready? |
| rliberni |
9:03 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Are we talking formal, informal, peer pr all types of observation? #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:03 PM |
Are we talking formal, informal, peer pr all types of observation? #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:03 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Hello everyone and welcome to #ELtchat @Shaunwilden @ShellTerrell & me moderating - remember to use #ELTchat every tweet |
| Shaunwilden |
9:03 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Hello everyone and welcome to #ELtchat @Shaunwilden @ShellTerrell & me moderating - remember to use #ELTchat every tweet |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:04 PM |
#eltchat I guess all as the title isn't more specific but that could take a WHILE! |
| EileeMur |
9:04 PM |
Hello #eltchat! 2nd time here - looking forward to it :) |
| sandymillin |
9:04 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Are we talking formal, informal, peer pr all types of observation? #ELTchat<think it would be interesting to talk about all |
| Sharonzspace |
9:04 PM |
We will be part of the ELTchat opening symposium at the Virtual Round Table Web Conference this Friday at 4PM EST.... http://t.co/JDQq7l1B |
| Marisa_C |
9:04 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Are we talking formal, informal, peer pr all types of observation? #ELTchat |
| danielle6849 |
9:04 PM |
Hello! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:05 PM |
Shall we start then with informal peer observations for ongoing professional development? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:05 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Remember to ask moderators for helo if new to #ELtchat @Shaunwilden @ShellTerrell @rliberni & @Marisa_C #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:05 PM |
RT @ed_russell: #ELTchat for me the best practice is for teachers to get a bit more public in their work, more open doors would lead 2 better observations |
| rliberni |
9:05 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Remember to ask moderators for helo if new to #ELtchat @Shaunwilden @ShellTerrell @rliberni & me #ELTchat |
| ed_russell |
9:05 PM |
#ELTchat for me the best practice is for teachers to get a bit more public in their work, more open doors would lead 2 better observations |
| Marisa_C |
9:05 PM |
Remember to ask moderators for helo if new to #ELtchat @Shaunwilden @ShellTerrell @rliberni & me #ELTchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:05 PM |
@EileeMur Hope you enjoy it :) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:05 PM |
@sandymillin Yes me too #ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:06 PM |
RT @sandymillin: #eltchat I think observations are one of the best forms of CPD - most of the useful practical ideas I use are from peer obs |
| b3ckyv1 |
9:06 PM |
RT @tesPrimary: Being a good teacher is something that comes from within. Difficult to train. Got to have a passion for teaching and learning #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:06 PM |
RT @esolcourses: RT @Shaunwilden: @ed_russell open door policy is excellent but seemingly shied away from, how do we encourage it? #ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:06 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Remember to ask moderators for helo if new to #ELtchat @Shaunwilden @ShellTerrell @rliberni & me #ELTchat |
| EileeMur |
9:06 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson Tx - hope I can keep up better this time #ELTCHAT great topic today |
| rliberni |
9:06 PM |
Is it good to have a culture or peer observation? (not to criticise but to know) I think so #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
9:06 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @ed_russell open door policy is excellent but seemingly shied away from, how do we encourage it? #ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:06 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat I guess all as the title isn't more specific but that could take a WHILE! |
| Marisa_C |
9:06 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @ed_russell open door policy is excellent but seemingly shied away from, how do we encourage it? #ELTchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:06 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Shall we start then with informal peer observations for ongoing professional development? #eltchat< love em! doing and getting |
| sandymillin |
9:06 PM |
#eltchat I think observations are one of the best forms of CPD - most of the useful practical ideas I use are from peer obs |
| esolcourses |
9:06 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Shall we start then with informal peer observations for ongoing professional development? #eltchat ] sounds like a good idea |
| Shaunwilden |
9:06 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Shall we start then with informal peer observations for ongoing professional development? #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:06 PM |
RT @ed_russell: #ELTchat for me the best practice is for teachers to get a bit more public in their work, more open doors would lead 2 better observations |
| Shaunwilden |
9:06 PM |
@ed_russell open door policy is excellent but seemingly shied away from, how do we encourage it? #ELTchat |
| DinaDobrou |
9:06 PM |
Good evening everyone! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:07 PM |
Open door great as @ed_russell says but lots of myths about the class as an inner sanctum which no stranger shall enter #ELTchat Comments? |
| danielle6849 |
9:07 PM |
Even time to reflect in a group setting can be beneficial for observation. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:07 PM |
@rliberni I think it should def be part of a schools culture #ELTchat |
| royparmesan |
9:07 PM |
Hello #eltchat me too here |
| ShellTerrell |
9:07 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Shall we start then with informal peer observations for ongoing professional development? #eltchat |
| eannegrenoble |
9:07 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Shall we start then with informal peer observations for ongoing professional development? #eltchat> Hello :-) |
| ShellTerrell |
9:08 PM |
Agree RT @esolcourses: I think open door policy is an excellent idea, but I do think there need to be a few ground rules #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
9:08 PM |
RT @vbenevolofranca: A culture of peer observation opens teachers up for reflective practice, gives different angle on observation #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:08 PM |
RT @ed_russell: #ELTchat I guess teachers fear this, fear is often overcome by doing something, or making it safe, i.e. non-judgemental,no? |
| rliberni |
9:08 PM |
RT @vbenevolofranca: A culture of peer observation is valuable, it opens teachers up for reflective practice, gives different angle on observation #eltchat |
| ed_russell |
9:08 PM |
#ELTchat I guess teachers fear this, fear is often overcome by doing something, or making it safe, i.e. non-judgemental,no? |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:08 PM |
A culture of peer observation is valuable, it opens teachers up for reflective practice, gives different angle on observation #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:08 PM |
RT @danielle6849: Even time to reflect in a group setting can be beneficial for observation. #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:08 PM |
@Shaunwilden I agree then it's not a big deal really and there's more to observation than assessment #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
9:08 PM |
I think open door policy is an excellent idea, but I do think there need to be a few ground rules #ELTchat |
| SophiaMav |
9:08 PM |
Hello everyone #ELTchat |
| eannegrenoble |
9:08 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @rliberni I think it should def be part of a schools culture #ELTchat Does anyone have it as prt of their schl culture? |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:08 PM |
#eltchat I think I learn more from observing. I often see something of myself in them or something I've never and would never thought of. |
| EileeMur |
9:08 PM |
@rliberni Yes! Great for building trust & seeing relevant ideas in ur own context #ELTCHAT |
| eannegrenoble |
9:09 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C Ah yes the secretive teacher, closed doors, - well they're not the ones here #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:09 PM |
Its funny how teachers dont like being observed when technically sts are observing them all the time #ELTchat |
| DinaDobrou |
9:09 PM |
@rliberni I think so too. It's helped me immeasurably as a new teacher. #ELTchat |
| EileeMur |
9:09 PM |
@Marisa_C @ed_russell It can be intimidating if Ts aren't used to peer obs #ELTCHAT, is great when is encouraged and 'normal' |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:09 PM |
RT @esolcourses: RT @vbenevolofranca: A culture of peer observation opens teachers up for reflective practice, gives different angle on observation #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:09 PM |
Lots of interesting points - a culture of open doors encourages reflective practice - sharing I could add #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:09 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C Ah yes the secretive teacher, closed doors, not telling sts what they doing, etc etc, we do like our mystery ;-) #ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:09 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat I think I learn more from observing. I often see something of myself in them or something I've never and would never thought of. |
| louisealix68 |
9:09 PM |
Just back from training (running) and trying to get up to speed on #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:09 PM |
@Marisa_C Ah yes the secretive teacher, closed doors, not telling sts what they doing, etc etc, we do like our mystery ;-) #ELTchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:10 PM |
RT @sandymillin: RT @Shaunwilden: @rliberni I think it should def be part of a schools culture #ELTchat <me too< me three |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:10 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: Agree RT @esolcourses: I think open door policy is excellent idea, but there needs to be a few ground rules #ELTchat>agree |
| Marisa_C |
9:10 PM |
But teacher appraisals (&competitive staffrooms) may cause Ts to fear peer observation-again a Q of microclimate of an institution #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:10 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @rliberni I think it should def be part of a schools culture #ELTchat <me too |
| danielle6849 |
9:10 PM |
“@Shaunwilden: Ah yes the secretive teacher, closed doors, not telling sts what they doing, etc etc, we do like our mystery ;-) #ELTchat†|
| rliberni |
9:10 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat Problem in our school is most lesson are scheduled at the same time. hard to arrange peer observations |
| rliberni |
9:10 PM |
most 'difficult' things are less difficult if they are adopted as the norm #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:10 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Lots of interesting points - a culture of open doors encourages reflective practice - sharing I could add #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:10 PM |
#eltchat Problem in our school is most lesson are scheduled at the same time. hard to arrange peer observations |
| sandymillin |
9:10 PM |
#eltchat having said that, haven't done any peers obs in this job - really need to do some! think you need to be pushed/reminded sometimes |
| JGakonga |
9:11 PM |
Hi there - sorry I'm late! Finally managed to get my life in order to come to #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:11 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @sandymillin Staff always made me close the door cos I am so loud :-) #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:11 PM |
RT @RdngTeach: So true! RT @Shaunwilden: Its funny how teachers dont like being observed when technically sts are observing them all the time #ELTchat |
| eannegrenoble |
9:11 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat Problem in our school is most lesson are scheduled at the same time. We really tried this yr - but overworked |
| Shaunwilden |
9:11 PM |
@sandymillin Staff always made me close the door cos I am so loud :-) #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:11 PM |
RT @louisealix68: I like to ask student teachers what they want me to pay attention to/their personal goal. Makes for more direct specific feedback #eltchat |
| RdngTeach |
9:11 PM |
So true! RT @Shaunwilden: Its funny how teachers dont like being observed when technically sts are observing them all the time #ELTchat |
| EileeMur |
9:11 PM |
@Shaunwilden So true! #ELTCHAT I never thought about it like that :) |
| louisealix68 |
9:11 PM |
I like to ask student teachers what they want me to pay attention to/their personal goal. Makes for more direct specific feedback #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:11 PM |
@DinaDobrou Hi there :-0 I think we learn a gr8 deal from other teachers #eltchat |
| Tamkirja |
9:11 PM |
#ELTChat observing is great, but then reflection and discussing with peers afterward is another great part. :) |
| DinaDobrou |
9:11 PM |
@SophiaMav Hello Sophia! #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:12 PM |
@Shaunwilden at primary school other tcgrs were worried cos the kids were too loud! :-) #eltchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:12 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson This is a prob for many teachers. We may ask them to find additional hours for this...this might mean some can´t #eltchat |
| EileeMur |
9:12 PM |
@SophiaMav Hi Sophia! #ELTCHAT |
| ed_russell |
9:12 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Its funny how teachers dont like being observed when technically sts are observing them all the time #ELTchat |
| ESLlibrary |
9:12 PM |
RT @RdngTeach: So true! RT @Shaunwilden: Its funny how teachers dont like being observed when technically sts are observing them all the time #ELTchat |
| ed_russell |
9:12 PM |
RT @rliberni: most 'difficult' things are less difficult if they are adopted as the norm #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:12 PM |
@Shaunwilden that's happened to me sometimes too :) #ELTchat or (nice) jealous comments about my class seeming to have so much fun! |
| DinaDobrou |
9:12 PM |
@rliberni If anything, it helps new Ts identify diff. teaching styles and work towards their own. #ELTchat |
| Tamkirja |
9:13 PM |
“@Shaunwilden: @sandymillin Staff always made me close the door cos I am so loud :-) #ELTchat†haha |
| Marisa_C |
9:13 PM |
RT @petervdbroeck: #eltchat My experience is teachers don't like to be observed, feels like being checked. #idontcare |
| vickyloras |
9:13 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: Good point! RT @ed_russell: #ELTchat an open door is an open door, but perhaps what happens after door is open needs defining... :/ |
| SheetalZA |
9:13 PM |
@ShellTerrell Hi Shelley & everyone else at #ELTchat from my timezone! Remembered (and managed) to pop in for a bit :) |
| EileeMur |
9:13 PM |
@rliberni @DinaDobrou Yes, great to see what works / could be done differently #ELTCHAT sometimes you see 'yourself' in other teacher too. |
| sandymillin |
9:13 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson think scheduling is often a problem for observations. great when DOS can cover sometimes for you to do them #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:13 PM |
@sandymillin well i sort of agree but sts can ask to change class, complain about tchr etc #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:13 PM |
RT @petervdbroeck: #eltchat My experience is teacher don't like to be observed, feels like being checked. #idontcare |
| studentforce |
9:13 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Its funny how teachers dont like being observed when technically sts are observing them all the time #ELTchat |
| Tamkirja |
9:13 PM |
RT @louisealix68: I like to ask student teachers what they want me to pay attention to/their personal goal. Makes for more direct specific feedback #eltchat |
| petervdbroeck |
9:13 PM |
#eltchat My experience is teacher don't like to be observed, feels like being checked. #idontcare |
| royparmesan |
9:13 PM |
Peer observation agree. Need to share possible differences in teaching perspective otherwise observation gets skewed #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:13 PM |
@vbenevolofranca I think ppl usually find a way if they are determined #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:13 PM |
@rliberni Oh yes I've heard that from teachers as well, cant have the door open they'd hear my sts making noise...#ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:13 PM |
Good point! RT @ed_russell: #ELTchat an open door is an open door, but perhaps what happens after door is open needs defining... :/ |
| sandymillin |
9:13 PM |
@Shaunwilden think Ts fear of observation comes from potential consequences. students don't have as much power as peers/superiors #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:13 PM |
Perhaps it might be useful for school leaders to make this policy clear from day 1 - earn brownies by observing is more positive #eltchat |
| DinaDobrou |
9:14 PM |
@vbenevolofranca And reduces stress when formal observations have to be conducted. They become part of a routine. #ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:14 PM |
@SheetalZA great to have you #eltchat |
| SheetalZA |
9:14 PM |
@Shaunwilden True, but Ss many not be as critical as other teachers (colleagues) #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:14 PM |
RT @Txantxangorri: Why do teachers always close the classroom door? #ELTchat |
| Txantxangorri |
9:14 PM |
Why do teachers always close the classroom door? #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:14 PM |
RT @esolcourses: @ed_russell @ShellTerrell agree in principle, _but_ there are times when open door cld be disruptive for s's (eg week B4 exams!) #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
9:14 PM |
@ed_russell @ShellTerrell agree in principle, _but_ there are times when open door cld be disruptive for s's (eg week B4 exams!) #ELTchat |
| DinaDobrou |
9:14 PM |
RT @vbenevolofranca: A culture of peer observation is valuable, it opens teachers up for reflective practice, gives different angle on observation #eltchat |
| SophiaMav |
9:14 PM |
@EileeMur @DinaDobrou hi ladies #ELTchat |
| leagueofschools |
9:14 PM |
RT @vbenevolofranca: A culture of peer observation is valuable, it opens teachers up for reflective practice, gives different angle on observation #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:14 PM |
@petervdbroeck this can be changed if everybody does it #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:15 PM |
#eltchat The best way to get a change of a peer observation culture is to start it yourself. "eat your own dog food" ;) |
| rliberni |
9:15 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @SheetalZA: @Shaunwilden True, but Ss many not be as critical as other teachers (colleagues) #ELTchat > fear of a peer :-) |
| EileeMur |
9:15 PM |
@petervdbroeck That can happen depending on culture of the school and how obs is seen by Ts and managers #ELTCHAT |
| ed_russell |
9:15 PM |
#ELTchat but why are we all so secretive, we are all doing teaching, right? If the school culture is one of non-evaluative feedback why not |
| eannegrenoble |
9:15 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @rliberni (...) cant have the door open they'd hear my sts making noise...#ELTchat >> But that's often true > not = obsvn |
| Marisa_C |
9:15 PM |
RT @SheetalZA: @Shaunwilden True, but Ss many not be as critical as other teachers (colleagues) #ELTchat > fear of a peer :-) |
| rliberni |
9:15 PM |
RT @bethcagnol: When observing tchrs perhaps 1 way to put them at ease is to say you look forward to learning smthg new. #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:15 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @sandymillin true that when working full time often difficult to peer observe - but DOS could organise observation days #eltchat |
| bethcagnol |
9:15 PM |
When observing tchrs perhaps 1 way to put them at ease is to say you look forward to learning smthg new. #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
9:15 PM |
@JGakonga welcome! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:15 PM |
@sandymillin true that when working full time often difficult to peer observe - but DOS could organise observation days #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
9:15 PM |
I think helps if those being observed know wat aims/consequences of obs are. Just for peer learning/on invitation/for feedback? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:15 PM |
@petervdbroeck True but there are ways ti change that and also set the goals / purposes of the obs #ELTchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:15 PM |
@rliberni Agree, yes, and we need to help teachers who feel awkward about being observed to overcome this "fear" or reluctance. #eltchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:16 PM |
@DinaDobrou Absolutely, makes it much easier. The experience of being observed becomes far less nerve racking #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:16 PM |
RT @sandymillin: @Marisa_C love the thought of being given cake in return for observing :) (earn brownies!) #knowwhatyoumeanbut #eltchat |
| bethcagnol |
9:16 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Its funny how teachers dont like being observed when technically sts are observing them all the time #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
9:16 PM |
@Marisa_C love the thought of being given cake in return for observing :) (earn brownies!) #knowwhatyoumeanbut #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:16 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat The best way to get a change of a peer observation culture is to start it yourself. "eat your own dog food" ;) |
| rliberni |
9:16 PM |
RT @ed_russell: #ELTchat but why are we all so secretive, we are all doing teaching, right? If the school culture is one of non-evaluative feedback why not |
| rliberni |
9:17 PM |
@CliveSir this is v true all part of the learning prog so what changes after? #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
9:17 PM |
RT @eannegrenoble RT @Shaunwilden @rliberni cant have the door open they'd hear my sts making noise #ELTchat >> or see them using mobiles ;) |
| Shaunwilden |
9:17 PM |
@bethcagnol I am not sure the two things equate #ELTchat |
| seldaakkaya_ |
9:17 PM |
@Txantxangorri i mostly open the door in my classes but unfotunately saw Ss cant focus on the class #ELTchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:17 PM |
RT @esolcourses: think a lot depends on who is doing the observing (and why) - if there is a power imbalance, then it can sometimes be intimidating #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
9:17 PM |
@sandymillin :-) #eltchat |
| bethcagnol |
9:17 PM |
@Shaunwilden Do U think the same tchrs who don't like being observed R the same tchrs who don't like giving conference talks? #ELTchat |
| CliveSir |
9:17 PM |
#eltchat I'm doing a p/t CELTA at moment. Every TP is observed and assessed. I don't even notice tutor & look fwd to feedback/learning |
| vickyloras |
9:17 PM |
RT @sandymillin: @Shaunwilden think Ts fear of observation comes from potential consequences. students don't have as much power as peers/superiors #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:17 PM |
RT @vbenevolofranca: @DinaDobrou Absolutely, makes it much easier. The experience of being observed becomes far less nerve racking #eltchat |
| ed_russell |
9:17 PM |
#ELTchat fear a peer, they might just see things different from the learners:) |
| vickyloras |
9:18 PM |
RT @bethcagnol: When observing tchrs perhaps 1 way to put them at ease is to say you look forward to learning smthg new. #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:18 PM |
RT @sandymillin: Do you have any guidelines/questions you use when peer observing? Or do you just watch? Or does it depend? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:18 PM |
RT @bethcagnol: An "outside the box" idea could be combining parallel sessions and call it "team teaching" that's what I do. #ELTchat |
| Txantxangorri |
9:18 PM |
@esolcourses #ELTchat None judgemental feedback to win confidence of less experienced teachers: ' I really liked..noticed..wanted to ask..' |
| sandymillin |
9:18 PM |
Do you have any guidelines/questions you use when peer observing? Or do you just watch? Or does it depend? #eltchat |
| bethcagnol |
9:18 PM |
An "outside the box" idea could be combining parallel sessions and call it "team teaching" that's what I do. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:18 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: We keep a bank of teacher observation sheets/checklists and teachers can choose which one to give observer #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:18 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: We keep a bank of teacher observation sheets/checklists and teachers can choose which one to give observer #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:18 PM |
RT @SheetalZA: @Marisa_C Yes! We need to wrap our minds around the fact that peer observation/constructive criticism is actually beneficial #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:18 PM |
We keep a bank of teacher observation sheets/checklists and teachers can choose which one to give observer #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:18 PM |
RT @CliveSir: #eltchat I'm doing a p/t CELTA at moment. Every TP is observed and assessed. I don't even notice tutor & look fwd to feedback/learning |
| petervdbroeck |
9:18 PM |
@brambruggeman join in in English use #eltchat on teachers being observed. |
| SheetalZA |
9:18 PM |
@Marisa_C Yes! We need to wrap our minds around the fact that peer observation/constructive criticism is actually beneficial #ELTchat |
| louisealix68 |
9:19 PM |
we often start with video before moving onto personal visit to ease st teachers in #eltchat |
| CliveSir |
9:19 PM |
@rliberni What changes? Good question! We all shud be open to opinions and free to disregard them or learn from them #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:19 PM |
RT @bethcagnol: An "outside the box" idea could be combining parallel sessions and call it "team teaching" that's what I do. #ELTchat |
| DinaDobrou |
9:19 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Its funny how teachers dont like being observed when technically sts are observing them all the time #ELTchat > Gr8 point! |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:19 PM |
#eltchat I'm a naughty observee (real word?) I usually try to get the observer involved via being interviewed |
| bethcagnol |
9:19 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @sandymillin Staff always made me close the door cos I am so loud :-) #ELTchat |
| petervdbroeck |
9:19 PM |
#ELTchat Flanders only has teachers observing culture of checking and evaluating them to get a fixed job or by trainees. |
| rliberni |
9:19 PM |
@sandymillin for informal I might just want to see how s'one does sthing #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:19 PM |
@sandymillin When i was less experienced I use tasks provided by school, these days just what do i like, what would I steal etc #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:19 PM |
@sandymillin When i was less experienced I use tasks provided by school, these days just what do i like, what would I steal etc #ELTchat |
| EileeMur |
9:19 PM |
@vbenevolofranca @DinaDobrou Right! I used to be v scared as a new T, think it's quite common #ELTCHAT |
| DinaDobrou |
9:19 PM |
@Marisa_C In my school, we have glass doors anyway! Anyone can look inside, but still observing a lesson inside is much different. #ELTchat |
| DinaDobrou |
9:19 PM |
@Marisa_C In my school, we have glass doors anyway! Anyone can look inside, but still observing a lesson inside is much different. #ELTchat |
| eannegrenoble |
9:19 PM |
RT @bethcagnol: An "outside the box" idea could be combining parallel sessions and call it "team teaching" that's what I do. #ELTchat Yes! |
| bethcagnol |
9:19 PM |
I don't get the opportunity to observe my colleagues unless it's in a team teaching environment. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:19 PM |
In this way, the T observed is the one who makes the choice of the observation focus - picking an area of concern #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
9:19 PM |
RT @bethcagnol: An "outside the box" idea could be combining parallel sessions and call it "team teaching" that's what I do. #ELTchat |
| Txantxangorri |
9:20 PM |
#ELTChat I never clean whiteboard after class. |
| Marisa_C |
9:20 PM |
Another great for a school is for all the Ts to get together and create their own observation checklists for each other #eltchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:20 PM |
RT @SheetalZA: @Marisa_C Yes! We need to wrap our minds around the fact that peer observation/constructive criticism is actually beneficial #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:20 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: RT @DinaDobrou: In my school, we have glass doors anyway! Any1 can look inside but still observing a lesson inside is much diff #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
9:20 PM |
@bethcagnol same here - team teaching is great! You get to see what other teachers do well, & it encourages you to try new things #ELTchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:20 PM |
@CliveSir Yes, routines are always easier to accept. But also you chose to do the CELTA & not all teachers want to be observed...#eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:20 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson :-) And why not a different person in the class, a new resource to use :#ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:20 PM |
RT @DinaDobrou: In my school, we have glass doors anyway! Any1 can look inside but still observing a lesson inside is much diff #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:20 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat I'm a naughty observee (real word?) usually try to get the observer involved via being interviewed good ploy! |
| petervdbroeck |
9:20 PM |
#ELTchat Funny as you can learn a lot from different teaching approach or style. |
| eannegrenoble |
9:20 PM |
RT @petervdbroeck: #ELTchat Flanders only has teachers observing culture of checking and evaluating them to get a fixed job or by trainees. |
| rliberni |
9:21 PM |
@Shaunwilden can't see a problem unless it's not done overtly #eltchat |
| ed_russell |
9:21 PM |
it's a bit like CCTV, if you aren't doing anything 'wrong' (i,e, in this case doing your job well) then why should you mind. #ELTchat |
| royparmesan |
9:21 PM |
Teacher observation is abt improving potential for Ts & Ss so that should at all times be the positive thread #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:21 PM |
@bethcagnol team teaching is great if classes are small enough and rooms are big enough! and if students agree to larger group #ELTchat |
| Guipac |
9:21 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: In this way, the T observed is the one who makes the choice of the observation focus - picking an area of concern #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:21 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @ed_russell: it's a bit like the CCTV argument, if you aren't doing anything 'wrong' then why should you mind...#ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:21 PM |
@vbenevolofranca I'd wonder why? Perhaps just need some notice #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:21 PM |
@Shaunwilden and it helps break the awkwardness #eltchat |
| DinaDobrou |
9:21 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson We have the same issue 2. Makes it difficult to observe lessons of similar level. #ELTchat |
| ariascarm |
9:22 PM |
@DinaDobrou good evening! :-) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:22 PM |
@bethcagnol ooo sneaky ;-) #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:22 PM |
RT @bethcagnol: Another sneaky way to get other teachers to observe your work is to mutually agree not to clean the whiteboard after class. #ELTchat |
| eannegrenoble |
9:22 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: observation checklists for each other #eltchat YEY! It's up in our staffroom with all the "observer" slots blank ... TIME ! |
| bethcagnol |
9:22 PM |
Another sneaky way to get other teachers to observe your work is to mutually agree not to clean the whiteboard after class. #ELTchat |
| EileeMur |
9:23 PM |
@bethcagnol Funny :) #ELTCHAT In my last school Ts used to get v annoyed when others didnt clean WB, maybe it was a secret obs! |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:23 PM |
RT @esolcourses: @bethcagnol same here - team teaching is great! You get to see what other teachers do well, & it encourages you to try new things #ELTchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:23 PM |
@Marisa_C Great idea, never thought of that before. We have peer & mentor observation sheets, with different options to focus on. #eltchat |
| seldaakkaya_ |
9:23 PM |
RT @ed_russell: it's a bit like CCTV, if you aren't doing anything 'wrong' (i,e, in this case doing your job well) then why should you mind. #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:23 PM |
@bethcagnol I often used to leave mine it can be a good lead in for nxt tchr #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:24 PM |
RT @pysproblem81: People are too used to graded observations - it casts a shadow over developmental peer observation #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:24 PM |
People are too used to graded observations - it casts a shadow over developmental peer observation #eltchat |
| MsHarter |
9:24 PM |
RT @SheetalZA: @Marisa_C Yes! We need to wrap our minds around the fact that peer observation/constructive criticism is actually beneficial #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:24 PM |
RT @esolcourses: @Txantxangorri I think with peer observation, non-judgemental feedback should apply, no matter how experienced teachers are #ELTChat |
| bethcagnol |
9:24 PM |
RT @esolcourses: @bethcagnol same here - team teaching is great! You get to see what other teachers do well, & it encourages you to try new things #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
9:24 PM |
@Txantxangorri I think with peer observation, non-judgemental feedback should apply, no matter how experienced teachers are #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
9:24 PM |
@eannegrenoble That's because to eke out a living teachers have to work 30 and 40 hour weeks #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:25 PM |
RT @esolcourses: @Txantxangorri learning should be a lifelong process, and there are always new strings that can be added to your bow :-) #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
9:25 PM |
RT @tarabenwell: Some observations on observations http://t.co/XLrgcdcV #ELTChat |
| dendroglyph |
9:25 PM |
RT @bethcagnol: When observing tchrs perhaps 1 way to put them at ease is to say you look forward to learning smthg new. #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:25 PM |
RT @ariascarm: #ELTchat How to introduce peer obs.in a school not used to that practice? |
| esolcourses |
9:25 PM |
@Txantxangorri learning should be a lifelong process, and there are always new strings that can be added to your bow :-) #ELTChat |
| tarabenwell |
9:25 PM |
Some observations on observations http://t.co/XLrgcdcV #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
9:25 PM |
RT @yearinthelifeof: @bethcagnol I always make the most of uncleaned boards - epic #dogme opportunity to seize the moment #ELTChat me too |
| ariascarm |
9:25 PM |
#ELTchat How to introduce peer obs.in a school not used to that practice? |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:25 PM |
RT @CliveSir: @rliberni What changes? Good question! We all shud be open to opinions and free to disregard them or learn from them #eltchat |
| DinaDobrou |
9:25 PM |
RT @bethcagnol: When observing tchrs perhaps 1 way to put them at ease is to say you look forward to learning smthg new. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:25 PM |
@esolcourses @Txantxangorri I def agree if it is peer it really should not be judgmental #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:25 PM |
@Guipac It could - and don't forget to add the hashtag #ELTchat :-) |
| sandymillin |
9:26 PM |
@ariascarm then move on to challenging each teacher to observe someone else within a specific time period, then get 2gethr 2 share #ELTchat |
| EileeMur |
9:26 PM |
@yearinthelifeof @bethcagnol Yes, you can pick up diff interesting things for sure #ELTCHAT |
| eannegrenoble |
9:26 PM |
@pysproblem81 Absolutely - though if peer observations were the norm, then the evaluation obs wd both be good and not a problem #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:26 PM |
RT @sandymillin: RT @ariascarm: #ELTchat How to introduce peer obs...?<perhaps start by watching a videoed class together and saying what you would use |
| sandymillin |
9:26 PM |
RT @ariascarm: #ELTchat How to introduce peer obs...?<perhaps start by watching a videoed class together and saying what you would use |
| Marisa_C |
9:26 PM |
@vbenevolofranca Maybe you can work with obs. sheets u have and ask Ts to change/adapt/add to them #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
9:26 PM |
RT @pysproblem81: People are too used to graded observations - it casts a shadow over developmental peer observation #eltchat ] agree 100% |
| Txantxangorri |
9:27 PM |
@Shaunwilden Hmmm.... I learn from obs of peers. Have no interest in controlling them. CCTV is about state control. #ELTChat |
| seldaakkaya_ |
9:27 PM |
When i was at university, i was observed in class and i got nervous, anxious as i think there was a foreigner in my class #ELTchat |
| JGakonga |
9:27 PM |
#eltchat Is observation ever truly non-judgemental? Especially if it's by someone in a position of authority (which is the norm) |
| Shaunwilden |
9:27 PM |
@ariascarm raising it at a staff meeting, volunteering to be observed? if another tchr shares the class, suggest watch each other #ELTchat |
| DinaDobrou |
9:27 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: We keep a bank of teacher observation sheets/checklists and teachers can choose which one to give observer #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:27 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @sandymillin I think watching videos together is a good idea - u can introduce Ts to non-threatening ways of giving FB #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:27 PM |
@sandymillin I think watching videos together is a good idea - u can introduce Ts to non-threatening ways of giving FB #ELTchat |
| bethcagnol |
9:27 PM |
@yearinthelifeof I can't remember who (doh!) but read a brilliant blog post on not cleaning the board. #whowasit #ELTchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:28 PM |
@JGakonga that's why peer obs are so useful - different approach #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:28 PM |
RT @pysproblem81 To introduce peer obs thin you need to emphasise benefits for both parties in peer obs & make as informal as poss #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
9:28 PM |
RT @pysproblem81 To introduce peer obs thin you need to emphasise benefits for both parties in peer obs & make as informal as poss #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:28 PM |
@JGakonga it depends on the culture of the school #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:28 PM |
@Txantxangorri I think the person who said was merely making an analogy #ELTchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:28 PM |
RT @bethcagnol: When observing tchrs perhaps 1 way to put them at ease is to say you look forward to learning smthg new. #ELTchat >like that |
| bethcagnol |
9:28 PM |
One place I work encourages tchrs to attend classes/ observe teachers of other languages. We learn a TON!! #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
9:28 PM |
RT @elawassell in my primary school we had also a confidentiality rule ] yes, I ME, that is another important aspect #ELTchat #ELTchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:28 PM |
#eltchat have a week of cover for observing lessons [how to encourage peer observation] |
| pysproblem81 |
9:29 PM |
Think developmental obs should have qualitative feedback not quantitative/graded - otherwise becomes just about grade #eltchat |
| brambruggeman |
9:29 PM |
Why? Bcs perception of role teacher is being 'perfect'. We R not @petervdbroeck: #eltchat My experience is teacher don't like to be observed |
| seldaakkaya_ |
9:29 PM |
RT @vbenevolofranca: RT @bethcagnol: When observing tchrs perhaps 1 way to put them at ease is to say you look forward to learning smthg new. #ELTchat >like that |
| bethcagnol |
9:29 PM |
Why not invite the to-be-observed teacher to observe your class first. Give you feedback. #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:29 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @pysproblem81 To introduce peer obs thin you need to emphasise benefits for both parties in peer obs & make as informal as poss #eltchat |
| Guipac |
9:29 PM |
RT @JGakonga: #eltchat Is observation ever truly non-judgemental? Especially if it's by someone in a position of authority (which is the norm) |
| Shaunwilden |
9:30 PM |
@pysproblem81 true but then in many school the first ? the tcher asks anyway is did i pass #ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:30 PM |
One think I really liked about taking my CELTA w @Marisa_C was that I was able to observe her teach 1st #Eltchat |
| Guipac |
9:30 PM |
@JGakonga #ELTchat Great point! in which case it is better to assume it's never 100% non-judgemental. |
| SheetalZA |
9:30 PM |
@Guipac when I was observed, I was told it's to "better" our teaching methods - although, that is debatable on its own, too! #ELTchat |
| JGakonga |
9:30 PM |
@rliberni That's true - in FE in the UK, I'd say it's touted as 'developmental' but it feels much more 'policed' #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
9:30 PM |
@JGakonga int. point: I observe my st teachers but their school mentor grades them. I'm purely for feedback+tips. Seems to help #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:30 PM |
RT @bethcagnol: Why not invite the to-be-observed teacher to observe your class first. Give you feedback. #ELTchat |
| brambruggeman |
9:31 PM |
@petervdbroeck indeed, mooie Twitter stream op #eltchat Thx |
| Txantxangorri |
9:31 PM |
@esolcourses Of course! I've only had positive experiences with peer2peer obs. Vids of activities to watch together are excellent. #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
9:31 PM |
@JGakonga long time ago :-) #eltchat |
| petervdbroeck |
9:31 PM |
@brambruggeman Indeed. For some teachers it takes an #edushock to realise #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:31 PM |
@JGakonga when I was in FE nobody ever bothered to do it :-) #eltchat |
| eannegrenoble |
9:31 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden:raising it at a staff meeting, volunteering to be observed? Sounds like a gd way to get the ball rolling #ELTchat |
| DinaDobrou |
9:31 PM |
@sandymillin Why would peers want to observe? Focus on 1 thing. Observe 2C how pair work is arranged or how to give instructions. #ELTchat |
| EileeMur |
9:31 PM |
@Shaunwilden @ariascarm Yes and also start asking for & offering ideas if not the norm. Can help promote more openness #ELTCHAT |
| EileeMur |
9:32 PM |
@pysproblem81 Yes, the 'grade' can overshadow everything and ppl tend to forget the comments & ideas #ELTCHAT |
| rliberni |
9:32 PM |
RT @pysproblem81: @Shaunwilden yeah - I think development and performance management obs should be separate.... for that reason #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:32 PM |
@Shaunwilden yeah - I think development and performance management obs should be separate.... for that reason #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:32 PM |
RT @Guipac: @JGakonga #ELTchat But a good observer will know how far he should go on his judgement of the lesson - if necessary will limit feedback. |
| rliberni |
9:32 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: It's important Tchrs feel they are being observed 2 b more effective & not made 2 feel like they're bad tchrs. Feedbk is important #Eltchat |
| fionamau |
9:32 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: It's important Tchrs feel they are being observed 2 b more effective & not made 2 feel like they're bad tchrs. Feedbk is important #Eltchat |
| royparmesan |
9:32 PM |
RT @bethcagnol: Why not invite the to-be-observed teacher to observe your class first. Give you feedback. #ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:32 PM |
It's important Tchrs feel they are being observed 2 b more effective & not made 2 feel like they're bad tchrs. Feedbk is important #Eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:32 PM |
@Marisa_C @ShellTerrell like a bad nightmare she cant forgot it ;-) #ELTchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:32 PM |
RT @Guipac: @JGakonga #ELTchat But a good observer will know how far he should go on his judgement of the lesson - if necessary will limit feedback. |
| louisealix68 |
9:33 PM |
@JGakonga absolutely. I have no influence on grade, just on uni side, not placement side= is totally split paper/practice #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:33 PM |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Wow! Shaun you're in trouble in Oxford LOL! #Eltchat |
| shiestheman |
9:33 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: One think I really liked about taking my CELTA w @Marisa_C was that I was able to observe her teach 1st #Eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:33 PM |
@Marisa_C @ShellTerrell you know i am joshing you #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:33 PM |
@pysproblem81 this is the case in good business devel and pay reviews are diff #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:33 PM |
@ShellTerrell fbk is imp but so is how the obs is set up, that procedure is clear etc, remove the stress as much as possible #ELTchat |
| DinaDobrou |
9:33 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: One think I really liked about taking my CELTA w @Marisa_C was that I was able to observe her teach 1st #Eltchat>same here |
| ShellTerrell |
9:33 PM |
@Marisa_C Yes I remember you dancing around the room jazz chanting #ELTChat |
| seldaakkaya_ |
9:33 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: It's important Tchrs feel they are being observed 2 b more effective & not made 2 feel like they're bad tchrs. Feedbk is important #Eltchat |
| JGakonga |
9:33 PM |
@louisealix68 That's a nice idea - separating the carrot and the stick! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:33 PM |
@ShellTerrell @Shaunwilden #Eltchat Aw that was so mean!!!!! |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:34 PM |
@Shaunwilden @ShellTerrell Clarity on why & how observation / feedback will be done/given is essential always. #eltchat |
| jimscriv |
9:34 PM |
RT @pysproblem81: People are too used to graded observations - it casts a shadow over developmental peer observation #eltchat |
| JGakonga |
9:34 PM |
@Guipac For sure #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:34 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Wow! Shaun you're in trouble in Oxford LOL! #Eltchat > we are coming yes, very sooooon |
| bethcagnol |
9:34 PM |
RT @eannegrenoble: RT @Shaunwilden:raising it at a staff meeting, volunteering to be observed? Sounds like a gd way to get the ball rolling #ELTchat |
| ariascarm |
9:34 PM |
@EileeMur @Shaunwilden @sandymillin thanks! volunteering and proposing just 1 aspect to observe could make a fresh start!! #ELTchat |
| muranava |
9:34 PM |
intersted in strangest comments from obsvs? mine - body posture, don't hunch yr shoulders! :) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:34 PM |
@ShellTerrell @Marisa_C oh bugger i forgot you'd be here soon #ELTchat |
| Guipac |
9:34 PM |
@SheetalZA #ELTchat Absolutely. Observation is ultimately a biased view of one person on someone else's lesson - partly true partly false. |
| Txantxangorri |
9:34 PM |
@Shaunwilden Point taken. I'm marking diff between peer obs & other types. #ELTChat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:34 PM |
Agree! RT @Shaunwilden: how the obs is set up, that procedure is clear etc, remove the stress as much as possible #ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:35 PM |
Agree! RT @vbenevolofranca: Clarity on why & how observation / feedback will be done/given is essential always. #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:35 PM |
What do you think of 'Learning walks' http://t.co/Et3nSBRs #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:35 PM |
@louisealix68 @Marisa_C @ShellTerrell no i am just going into hiding :-) #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:35 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: Another thing about observation is allowing the teacher time to get better at improving after the feedbk. How do we support that? #ELTChat |
| jimscriv |
9:35 PM |
RT @DinaDobrou: @Marisa_C In my school, we have glass doors anyway! Anyone can look inside, but still observing a lesson inside is much different. #ELTchat |
| EileeMur |
9:35 PM |
I've had a mix of well set up, developmental obs and swooping 'graded' / checking up ones in diff places, what about others? #ELTCHAT |
| ShellTerrell |
9:35 PM |
Another thing about observation is allowing the teacher time to get better at improving after the feedbk. How do we support that? #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
9:35 PM |
@muranava when I was training we all checked out our 'bad' habits as a team gr8 idea mine hands in pockets! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:35 PM |
@muranava I remember being told I was asking too many question to the left of the room - its was true mind #ELTchat |
| louisealix68 |
9:35 PM |
@Marisa_C @ShellTerrell @Shaunwilden need a referee? #eltchat |
| hoprea |
9:35 PM |
@vbenevolofranca @bethcagnol That's a nice way to introduce your reasons for observing a class. #ELTChat |
| SheetalZA |
9:36 PM |
@Guipac completely agree with you on that one :) #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:36 PM |
@pysproblem81 they sound a bit like buzz observations #ELTchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:36 PM |
@elawassell @EileeMur ...it's the same with feedback to learners, isn't it? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:36 PM |
RT @pysproblem81: What do you think of 'Learning walks' http://t.co/Et3nSBRs #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:36 PM |
RT @pysproblem81: What do you think of 'Learning walks' http://t.co/Et3nSBRs #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:37 PM |
RT @hoprea: @Marisa_C @jimscriv @pysproblem81 Perhaps because they feel they're being tested instead of helped. #ELTChat |
| sandymillin |
9:37 PM |
RT @stefixerri: @ariascarm it helps to relax the tension in peer observation; poss challng is ensure lessons=authentic if observed #eltchat |
| hoprea |
9:37 PM |
@Marisa_C @jimscriv @pysproblem81 Perhaps because they feel they're being tested instead of helped. #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
9:37 PM |
RT @pysproblem81: @Shaunwilden they don't happen where I work... think it's all down to culture of organisation (as mentioned above) #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:37 PM |
@Shaunwilden they don't happen where I work... think it's all down to culture of organisation (as mentioned above) #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:37 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @jimscriv: RT @pysproblem81: Very true - which brings us to formal observations - most Ts object to them #eltchat - why? |
| EileeMur |
9:37 PM |
@rliberni @muranava Mine was always walking clockwise in monitoring! Have never forgotten it & was v useful #ELTCHAT |
| Guipac |
9:37 PM |
@EileeMur @pysproblem81 #ELTchat A grade may be "practical" but it's unrealistic if we consider the complexity of the classroom interaction. |
| Marisa_C |
9:37 PM |
@jimscriv: RT @pysproblem81: Very true - which brings us to formal observations - most Ts object to them #eltchat - why? |
| tefldust |
9:38 PM |
RT @teflerinha: Getting students to notice language in reading texts http://t.co/X5pXIcFb #elt #esol #efl #esl #eltchat |
| EileeMur |
9:38 PM |
@pysproblem81 @elawassell Yes, good point! Delivering feedback to Ts and learners is such a skill and sometimes grade wins :) #ELTCHAT |
| sandymillin |
9:38 PM |
Anyone know of a collection of videos available for video observations? #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
9:38 PM |
off to nag the teens - bedtime. Thx for great #eltchat again! |
| Marisa_C |
9:38 PM |
@hoprea: @jimscriv @pysproblem81 But all people are evaluated on the job - should Ts be an exception? Inner sanctum attitude?. #ELTChat |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:38 PM |
@ShellTerrell @rliberni Like the idea of joint drawing up of action plan, depending on what is focused on, perhaps peer teaching? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:38 PM |
@hartle observation (all types) #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:38 PM |
#eltchat Hi everyone, just git in! What are we discussing? |
| rliberni |
9:38 PM |
RT @DinaDobrou: @ShellTerrell Teachers need positive reinforcement and constructive feedback not patronizing. #ELTchat |
| DinaDobrou |
9:38 PM |
@ShellTerrell Teachers need positive reinforcement and constructive feedback not patronizing. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:39 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: I don't believe in grading teachers. It becomes more about the score than specific feedbk & goals to improve on #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
9:39 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: I don't believe in grading teachers. It becomes more about the score than specific feedbk & goals to improve on #ELTChat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:39 PM |
I don't believe in grading teachers. It becomes more about the score than specific feedbk & goals to improve on #ELTChat |
| tesPrimary |
9:39 PM |
@DinaDobrou @ShellTerrell Absolutely. Teachers are good at doing that for students, but not as good with each other? #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:39 PM |
#eltchat sorry meant "got" of course |
| rliberni |
9:39 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @Guipac: #ELTchat A grade may be "practical" but it's unrealistic if we consider the complexity of the classroom interaction. |
| Shaunwilden |
9:39 PM |
@sandymillin ih london made some a few years ago #ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:39 PM |
Agree! RT @Guipac: #ELTchat A grade may be "practical" but it's unrealistic if we consider the complexity of the classroom interaction. |
| rliberni |
9:39 PM |
@hartle hi there observation and how we feel about it #eltchat |
| Guipac |
9:39 PM |
@ShellTerrell #ELTchat Agree 100% - it starts from where the teacher stands now in their abilty and how I can help them improve a little! |
| ShellTerrell |
9:40 PM |
Agree! RT @DinaDobrou: Teachers need positive reinforcement and constructive feedback not patronizing. #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:40 PM |
#eltchat I quite like being observed by peers. Gets the adrenalin going |
| rliberni |
9:40 PM |
RT @esolcourses: @pysproblem81 @Shaunwilden problem with formal obs is that they aren't always about teacher development; can be just box-ticking #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:40 PM |
RT @BrunoELT: observation should never serve as a "gottcha" mmt. Trainers fail to see that this is true PD moment #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:40 PM |
@Shaunwilden @sandymillin what about the videos in @Harmerj 's book #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:40 PM |
@ShellTerrell But you know that if u re taking a course it's part of the qualifying process to be assessed #ELTChat |
| esolcourses |
9:40 PM |
@pysproblem81 @Shaunwilden problem with formal obs is that they aren't always about teacher development; can be just box-ticking #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:40 PM |
@ShellTerrell agree I think teaching needs a slow burn #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:40 PM |
RT @Guipac: #ELTchat Agree 100% - it starts from where the teacher stands now in their abilty and how I can help them improve a little! |
| EileeMur |
9:40 PM |
@sandymillin Haven't seen it for ages now but I think IH have a series? #ELTCHAT |
| trylingual |
9:40 PM |
Hello #eltchat -ers. I am quite interested in this topic but I am caught up this morning. Looking forward to reviewing the tweets later. |
| sandymillin |
9:41 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: need to allow the teacher time to get better at improving after obs #ELTChat <yes, then do follow-up obs 2 see if have? |
| DinaDobrou |
9:41 PM |
@Shaunwilden I learnt in a seminar that statistically we neglect most the student that sits on our left. Can't vouch 4 the validity #ELTchat |
| ducaduedu |
9:41 PM |
eltchat [licensed for non-commercial use only] / ELT Chat | @scoopit http://t.co/2tbQmtYF |
| Shaunwilden |
9:41 PM |
RT @hoprea: @esolcourses @pysproblem81 @Shaunwilden Which is why the very first thing we should do is set clear objectives for observation. #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:41 PM |
@harrisonmike Yes good point there are a number of books that have them #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:41 PM |
RT @pysproblem81: @Marisa_C @hoprea @jimscriv think it's necessary + useful, but is change from normal class dynamic - makes people uncomfortable #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:41 PM |
RT @pysproblem81: @Marisa_C @hoprea @jimscriv think it's necessary + useful, but is change from normal class dynamic - makes people uncomfortable #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:41 PM |
Gr8 idea! RT @vbenevolofranca: Like idea of joint drawing up of action plan, depending on whats focused on, perhaps peer teaching? #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:41 PM |
Gr8 idea! RT @vbenevolofranca: Like idea of joint drawing up of action plan, depending on whats focused on, perhaps peer teaching? #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:41 PM |
@Marisa_C @hoprea @jimscriv think it's necessary + useful, but is change from normal class dynamic - makes people uncomfortable #eltchat |
| hoprea |
9:41 PM |
@esolcourses @pysproblem81 @Shaunwilden Which is why the very first thing we should do is set clear objectives for observation. #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
9:41 PM |
@esolcourses often are just an exercise #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:41 PM |
@sandymillin i think there is web site that has some as well, -sth like tefl videos but never used them #ELTchat |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:41 PM |
Just remembered tonight's #ELTchat! What's the topic? |
| esolcourses |
9:42 PM |
@pysproblem81 @Shaunwilden which may be why many teachers dislike formal obs because they don't expect 2 get much benefit from them #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:42 PM |
#eltchat @jemjemgardner might be coming to observe me next week. If it comes off I'm sure we'll let you know how it goes! |
| ShellTerrell |
9:42 PM |
RT @sandymillin: RT @ShellTerrell: need to allow the teacher time to get better at improving after obs #ELTChat <yes, then do follow-up obs 2 see if have? |
| rliberni |
9:42 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @jimscriv: One problem is that many observers are not explicit about aims of observation. Don't talk it through.#eltchat |
| hartle |
9:42 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: I don't believe in grading .... #ELTChat true but sometimes you have to, on Celta for example |
| hoprea |
9:42 PM |
@Marisa_C @jimscriv @pysproblem81 Teachers shouldn't be an exception, but I don't think a lesson observation should be THE test. #ELTChat |
| Wiktor_K |
9:42 PM |
Good evening #ELTchat, massively late today (I blame Chelsea) - will just lurk for a while. |
| ShellTerrell |
9:42 PM |
Good pt! Arggh RT @Marisa_C: But you know that if u re taking a course it's part of the qualifying process to be assessed #ELTChat |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:42 PM |
Doing my obs hours for DELTA this month and next. Very postive experience for all involved so far! #ELTchat |
| eannegrenoble |
9:42 PM |
Hi @RebuffetBroadus #eltchat >> observation - peer obs , training obs and evaluation obs #ELTchat |
| Guipac |
9:42 PM |
@pysproblem81 @elawassell @EileeMur #ELTchat Giving feedback is an art - it involves deciding how much the teacher is "ready" to hear. |
| ShellTerrell |
9:42 PM |
RT @tesPrimary: Teachers are good at doing that for students, but not as good with each other? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:42 PM |
I like that joint action plan too #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:43 PM |
Just remembered: I'm sure @cerirhiannon wrote about observing but can't find the post #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:43 PM |
#eltchat Celta trainers often in difficult pos. You have to be both teacher & tester, difficult to pull off. |
| JGakonga |
9:43 PM |
@Guipac @pysproblem81 @elawassell @EileeMur I really agree and the trick is making the feedback 'hear-able' too #eltchat |
| hoprea |
9:43 PM |
#ELTChat Perhaps what's missing are the pre- and post- observation talks. That's what really matters. Discussing the "why's".. #ELTChat |
| tesPrimary |
9:43 PM |
The dreaded video observation session? Anyone? #ELTChat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:43 PM |
RT @jimscriv: One problem is that many observers are not explicit about aims of observation. Don't talk it through. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:43 PM |
RT @jimscriv: An observer saying "it's purely developmental" has to carry that through. And is really hard to do. #ELTchat |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:43 PM |
Scrivner's Learning Teaching has some very good photocopiable observation task sheets. Highly recommended for focused obs #ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:43 PM |
RT @jimscriv: walk-ins: As described: crap! But an agreed school- wide policy of anyone can wander & drop-in for ALL is wonderful #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:43 PM |
@hoprea but a teacher's job is in the classroom #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:43 PM |
@DinaDobrou I'm left sided so its the right i neglect :-) #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:44 PM |
2-way processes should work much better #eltchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:44 PM |
RT @hoprea: #ELTChat Perhaps what's missing are the pre- and post- observation talks. That's what really matters. Discussing the "why's".. #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
9:44 PM |
@ShellTerrell I think that most courses now , certainly CELTA and DELTA bring in the T's action plan - quite important #ELTChat |
| hoprea |
9:44 PM |
@Marisa_C Agreed, but how about using the observation more as something that informs and add to that other things. Such as… #ELTChat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:44 PM |
RT @jimscriv: An observer saying "it's purely dvlpmental" then has to carry that thru. Really hard to do. But done well, brilliant. #eltchat |
| DinaDobrou |
9:44 PM |
@Marisa_C @jimscriv @pysproblem81 We 1st need to ask ourselves WHO conducts obs. If, it's the school director who's not even a T? #ELTchat |
| jimscriv |
9:44 PM |
RT @jimscriv: An observer saying "it's purely developmental" has to carry it through. It's v hard to do. But done well, brilliant.#eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:44 PM |
RT @Guipac: @Marisa_C @jimscriv #ELTchat Great point. I like to discuss 1 or 2 areas for observation with teachers and stick to them! |
| sandymillin |
9:44 PM |
@eannegrenoble maybe 'check' wasn't the right word - follow-up to show that you care about teacher's progress #ELTChat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:44 PM |
@Marisa_C @jimscriv SOME (nt all) observation judgement can be subjective but be presented (and acted on as) as objective fact #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
9:44 PM |
@hoprea @pysproblem81 @Shaunwilden in theory I think that's a great idea Henrick, but how many teachers have the power to do that? #ELTChat |
| esolcourses |
9:44 PM |
RT @hoprea @pysproblem81 @Shaunwilden Which is why the very first thing we should do is set clear objectives for observation. #ELTChat |
| Guipac |
9:44 PM |
@Marisa_C @jimscriv #ELTchat Great point. I like to discuss 1 or 2 areas for observation with teachers and stick to them! |
| eannegrenoble |
9:44 PM |
@sandymillin awh - and I think the non-judgmental element is really essential #ELTChat |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:45 PM |
RT @eannegrenoble: @sandymillin awh - and I think the non-judgmental element is really essential #ELTChat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:45 PM |
RT @hoprea: #ELTChat Perhaps what's missing are the pre- and post- observation talks. That's what really matters. Discussing the "why's".. #ELTChat |
| hartle |
9:45 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: RT @jimscriv: walk-ins: As described: crap! But an agreed school- wide policy of anyone can wander & drop-in for ALL is wonderful #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:45 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: RT @jimscriv: An observer saying "it's purely dvlpmental" then has to carry that thru. Really hard to do. But done well, brilliant. #eltchat |
| Guipac |
9:45 PM |
@hoprea #ELTchat Yes, but given time constraints who's able to make it happen? Like for real! |
| esolcourses |
9:45 PM |
@hoprea @pysproblem81 @Shaunwilden comes back to the power imbalance thing - ideally, observations be a two-way process, IMO #ELTChat |
| hoprea |
9:45 PM |
@Marisa_C checking how the teacher corrects and responds to written work, planning a lesson together and so on. Tutoring? #ELTChat |
| hartle |
9:45 PM |
@Wiktor_K #eltchat who won? |
| ShellTerrell |
9:45 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: I think that most courses now , certainly CELTA and DELTA bring in the T's action plan - quite important #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:46 PM |
@jimscriv Yes you're right about the mixing #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:46 PM |
RT @jimscriv: #eltchat. Essential to mentally separate Quality Control obs (on which jobs depend) from dev help. Yet observers and observers mix them. |
| harrisonmike |
9:46 PM |
Surely teachers should be able to give observers tasks, e.g. 'I'd like you to check my instructions' #eltchat |
| MonaAlBader |
9:46 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @DinaDobrou: Teachers need positive reinforcement and constructive feedback not patronizing. #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
9:46 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @jimscriv: One problem is that many observers are not explicit about aims of observation. Don't talk it through.#eltchat |
| hartle |
9:46 PM |
RT @Guipac: @Marisa_C @jimscriv #ELTchat Great point. I like to discuss 1 or 2 areas for observation with teachers and stick to them! |
| Marisa_C |
9:46 PM |
The problem I have as an observer, is that I am always worried if I am too subjective - but good to worry too #eltchat |
| EileeMur |
9:46 PM |
@Shaunwilden @DinaDobrou Me too! Don't see well on left side so can overcompensate and ignore ppl on right. Was g8 to be told! #ELTCHAT |
| jimscriv |
9:46 PM |
#eltchat. Essential to mentally separate Quality Control obs (on which jobs depend) from dev help. Yet observers and observers mix them. |
| hoprea |
9:46 PM |
RT @esolcourses: @hoprea @pysproblem81 @Shaunwilden comes back to the power imbalance thing - ideally, observations be a two-way process, IMO #ELTChat |
| jimscriv |
9:47 PM |
@Marisa_C You can ONLY be subjective. #eltchat. You are you. |
| ShellTerrell |
9:47 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Personally I think most Ts are afraid of observers who are too wrapped up in their own wonderfullness! #eltchat hence harsh & judgemental |
| MonaAlBader |
9:47 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @ShellTerrell: I don't believe in grading teachers. It becomes more about the score than specific feedbk & goals to improve on #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
9:47 PM |
Personally I think most Ts are afraid of observers who are too wrapped up in their own wonderfullness! #eltchat hence harsh & judgemental |
| schiverton |
9:47 PM |
@hoprea I couldn't agree more. I think the pre and post observation talks are the most useful to both the observer and the observee.#ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:47 PM |
RT @esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: RT @jimscriv: One problem is that many observers are not explicit about aims of observation. Don't talk it through.#eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:47 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: The problem I have as an observer, is that I am always worried if I am too subjective - but good to worry too #eltchat |
| EdwardFBerger |
9:47 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @Guipac: #ELTchat A grade may be "practical" but it's unrealistic if we consider the complexity of the classroom interaction. |
| harrisonmike |
9:47 PM |
RT @pysproblem81: @DinaDobrou @Marisa_C @jimscriv observers need to be competent - full stop #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:47 PM |
Do you believe checklists for observers are effective? If so, then what does a good one include? #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
9:47 PM |
@jimscriv agree absolutely too much baggage #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:47 PM |
@DinaDobrou @Marisa_C @jimscriv observers need to be competent - full stop #eltchat |
| hoprea |
9:47 PM |
@Guipac Well, that's yet another problem to tackle, for sure. But if the observe is just ticking boxes, is it really valid? #ELTChat |
| esolcourses |
9:47 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: Surely teachers should be able to give observers tasks, e.g. 'I'd like you to check my instructions' #eltchat agree |
| pysproblem81 |
9:48 PM |
@jimscriv how that separation is made clear is the key, I think #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:48 PM |
RT @hoprea: @Guipac Well, that's yet another problem to tackle, for sure. But if the observe is just ticking boxes, is it really valid? #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
9:48 PM |
@jimscriv I know, no other way - but I need multiple perspectives to see other Ts' potential #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:48 PM |
RT @jimscriv: #eltchat. Essential to mentally separate Quality Control obs (on which jobs depend) from dev help. Yet observers and observers mix them. |
| EileeMur |
9:48 PM |
@harrisonmike Yes, v useful & task can come from previous obs comments - good way to develop #ELTCHAT |
| eannegrenoble |
9:48 PM |
@sandymillin Well - I'm still dreaming abt the first step ...and follow up does come in the staffroom hopefully #ELTChat |
| Hyrum_Graff |
9:48 PM |
#ELTchat Why not get the teacher to video and then observe themselves. This could then be moderated by the external observer. |
| Wiktor_K |
9:48 PM |
I remembered a brilliant session by Vic Richardson at #IATEFL - http://t.co/tmcVoGCc - the observation bit starts around slide 25 #ELTchat |
| hoprea |
9:48 PM |
@jimscriv But… when you're helping with PD, aren't you somehow accounting for quality control? #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:48 PM |
@harrisonmike Yes I agree asking the observer to watch for one or two aspects is a way to increase the usefulness of the obs #ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:48 PM |
RT @jimscriv: #eltchat. Essential to mentally separate Quality Control obs (on which jobs depend) from dev help. Yet observers and observers mix them. |
| MonaAlBader |
9:48 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @Guipac: #ELTchat A grade may be "practical" but it's unrealistic if we consider the complexity of the classroom interaction. |
| rliberni |
9:48 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: Surely teachers should be able to give observers tasks, e.g. 'I'd like you to check my instructions' #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:48 PM |
@ShellTerrell depends on the class surely #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
9:48 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: RT @pysproblem81: @DinaDobrou @Marisa_C @jimscriv observers need to be competent - full stop #eltchat ] absolutely! |
| SophiaMav |
9:48 PM |
@DinaDobrou good point! The director may be looking for other things such as discipline or rapport with the ss #ELTchat |
| ncguerreiro |
9:49 PM |
@BrunoELT I agree. experience of walkins has made me so nervous that to this day I quiver when being observed... Even by trainees. #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
9:49 PM |
@DinaDobrou @Marisa_C @jimscriv @pysproblem81 also know of state school cases where observer neither teacher nor Eng speaker! #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:49 PM |
RT @schiverton: @hoprea I couldn't agree more. I think the pre and post observation talks are the most useful to both the observer and the observee.#ELTchat |
| seldaakkaya_ |
9:49 PM |
RT @Hyrum_Graff: #ELTchat Why not get the teacher to video and then observe themselves. This could then be moderated by the external observer. |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:49 PM |
@harrisonmike @ShellTerrell Yes, I remember doing that when I started.Looking back, loads of things to work on...#eltchat |
| hartle |
9:49 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Personally I think most Ts are afraid of observers who are too wrapped up in their own wonderfullness! #eltchat hence harsh & judgemental |
| rliberni |
9:49 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: Do you believe checklists for observers are effective? If so, then what does a good one include? #ELTChat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:49 PM |
@jimscriv That's a really good point. I think that the purpose of the observation isn't always communicated well to the teacher #ELTChat |
| hartle |
9:49 PM |
#eltchat trainee/teacher egos very fragile, and lessons often a real performance where U put yourself out there, so needs sensitive obs. |
| ShellTerrell |
9:50 PM |
RT @RebuffetBroadus: #ELTchat I preferred not to use one, (checklist) as it seems very binding. So many definitions of a "good lesson." |
| rliberni |
9:50 PM |
@esolcourses should be trained for this one hopes? #eltchat |
| tesPrimary |
9:50 PM |
@Hyrum_Graff #ELTChat Get the pupils to video the teacher, so it's from their perspective? |
| Marisa_C |
9:50 PM |
@BrunoELT Bcz even when you have very clear criteria they are understood by who YOU are as a teacher - no two ways abt it #ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:50 PM |
RT @Jon_Torbitt: I usually brief observers in my class what's going on and what to expect as opposed to them just sitting there #eltchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:50 PM |
@harrisonmike @ShellTerrell ...but fact observer gave me choice was highly motivating & dealt with power issue thing as well.... #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
9:50 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: Do you believe checklists for observers are effective? If so, then what does a good one include? #ELTChat |
| MonaAlBader |
9:51 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: It's important Tchrs feel they are being observed 2 b more effective & not made 2 feel like they're bad tchrs. Feedbk is important #Eltchat |
| CliveSir |
9:51 PM |
#eltchat Teacher observation: Could you benefit from self-observation? by @nutrich http://t.co/XYcqq7jQ |
| hoprea |
9:51 PM |
#ELTChat I don't think an observation should b the 'make it or break it' moment in a teacher's career as long as there's willingness 2 learn |
| jimscriv |
9:51 PM |
Even a QA assmnt need only take 5 mins of FB. Ok that was a "fail". Now ... Let's move on & talk about moving frward. But SEPARATE #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:51 PM |
@RebuffetBroadus Good point! #Eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:52 PM |
RT @Hyrum_Graff: #ELTchat Why not get the teacher to video and then observe themselves. This could then be moderated by the external observer. |
| ncguerreiro |
9:52 PM |
RT @hoprea: #ELTChat I don't think an observation should b the 'make it or break it' moment in a teacher's career as long as there's willingness 2 learn |
| Txantxangorri |
9:52 PM |
RT @moontime2000: @Txantxangorri To stop the heebeegeebees getting in........ and the students from fleeing. #ELTChat |
| sandymillin |
9:52 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Personally I think most Ts are afraid of observers who are too wrapped up in their own wonderfullness! #eltchat hence harsh & judgemental |
| rliberni |
9:52 PM |
RT @hoprea: @jimscriv But… when you're helping with PD, aren't you somehow accounting for quality control? #ELTChat |
| sandymillin |
9:52 PM |
What do you when you first start observing officially? How do you manage the transition from peer to management obs? #eltchat |
| ncguerreiro |
9:52 PM |
@BrunoELT true. been there! #ELTchat mentor asked to see most undisciplined group to help me, then used that lesson as my sole evaluation. |
| hartle |
9:52 PM |
RT @rliberni: RT @ShellTerrell: Do you believe ...#ELTChat I think cn be very useful. Both observer & teacher have it for a focus |
| hoprea |
9:52 PM |
@Guipac Thanks, Guilherme! Pathetic is the perfect word for that! If it can't be done properly, better left undone! #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
9:52 PM |
RT @SophiaMav: @DinaDobrou good point! The director may be looking for other things such as discipline or rapport with the ss #ELTchat |
| EileeMur |
9:53 PM |
@ncguerreiro @BrunoELT Horrible! I had walkins after years of developmental planned obs. Must be even more terrifying for new Ts #ELTCHAT |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:53 PM |
@ShellTerrell #ELTchat Using @jimscriv 's "Stolen Goods" and "Thoughts and Questions" for my DELTA obs (THX Jim!) |
| rliberni |
9:53 PM |
RT @pysproblem81: @jimscriv how that separation is made clear is the key, I think #eltchat agree all must understand |
| CliveSir |
9:53 PM |
#eltchat On Being An Observer by @ChrisOzog http://t.co/0HielUQ7 |
| hoprea |
9:53 PM |
@Guipac @jimscriv Quality control can be done in so many different ways… school's policies and so on. The obs is just part of that #ELTChat |
| DinaDobrou |
9:53 PM |
@sandymillin There's a dvd on @Harmerj 's Practice of Engl. Lang. Teaching and the @IHLondon DVD series http://t.co/WtreEyY6 #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:53 PM |
@BrunoELT @harrisonmike ...it also means at feedback we have a natural starting point #ELTchat |
| SophiaMav |
9:53 PM |
RT @CliveSir #eltchat Teacher observation: Could you benefit from self-observation? by @nutrich http://t.co/0hcGWeOI |
| JGakonga |
9:53 PM |
Here's another question - as an observee, should you be putting on your 'best lesson?' #eltchat |
| javidelcast |
9:53 PM |
If a teacher wants to learn an observation + feedback session can be a great help to grow #eltchat |
| Txantxangorri |
9:53 PM |
#ELTChat RT @moontime2000: @Txantxangorri I can vouch for that! |
| BullockDeborah |
9:53 PM |
@ELTchat is this chat happening now? |
| rliberni |
9:53 PM |
RT @Wiktor_K: I remembered a brilliant session by Vic Richardson at #IATEFL - http://t.co/tmcVoGCc - the observation bit starts around slide 25 #ELTchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:53 PM |
@kaffaroo that's interesting - think it could be really powerful as a developmental tool... if the culture around it is right #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:53 PM |
@BrunoELT @harrisonmike As an observer I like it if the observee asks me for one it shows awareness......#ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:53 PM |
@BrunoELT @Shaunwilden peer or higher up observation - the opportunity should be there. #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:53 PM |
It's important for observers to remember that what works for them might not work for T being observed (and vice versa) #eltchat |
| fionamau |
9:54 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: Surely teachers should be able to give observers tasks, e.g. 'I'd like you to check my instructions' #eltchat > Agree |
| eannegrenoble |
9:54 PM |
RT @sandymillin: It's important for obsvrs to rem.ber that what works for them might not work for T being observed (and vice versa) #eltchat |
| JGakonga |
9:54 PM |
I was observed recently and criticised for not using the IWB, but in that lesson I thought it wasn't appropriate -tickboxes #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:54 PM |
@JGakonga well many do due to the qualitative nature of them but I always try to suggest they dont #ELTchat |
| jimscriv |
9:54 PM |
@hoprea #eltchat. But a school has a responsibility to sts to decide if a T really isn't very good. We can't assume that everyone is good. |
| hoprea |
9:54 PM |
@ncguerreiro True… but I'd add the attitude of the observed as well… #ELTChat |
| fionamau |
9:54 PM |
RT @jimscriv: #eltchat. Essential to mentally separate Quality Control obs (on which jobs depend) from dev help. Yet observers and observers mix them. |
| ShellTerrell |
9:54 PM |
Agree! RT @elawassell: that's why it's important to have a pre-observation meeting and set the aims and criteria. #ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:55 PM |
RT @eannegrenoble: RT @sandymillin: It's important for obsvrs to rem.ber that what works for them might not work for T being observed (and vice versa) #eltchat |
| CliveSir |
9:55 PM |
#eltchat Some Observations on Observation by @DaveDodgson http://t.co/fEaYNIWu |
| ShellTerrell |
9:55 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: recordings good cos they get u used to being observed- u can also use bit with ur Ls and have THEM tell u how u did #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:55 PM |
RT @hoprea: @Guipac Thanks, Guilherme! Pathetic is the perfect word for that! If it can't be done properly, better left undone! #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:55 PM |
@JGakonga were you given the chance to say why you didnt use it? #ELTchat |
| ncguerreiro |
9:55 PM |
@hoprea pre and post talks don't help much depending on observer's attitude. #ELTchat |
| Wiktor_K |
9:55 PM |
@jimscriv True about observer having 2 separate these two issues - but how to deal with teachers confusing these 2 & panicking? #ELTChat |
| timjulian60 |
9:55 PM |
I like to ask to Ts to invite me into their "difficult" classes, then onus is on me to help not criticise in feedback #eltchat |
| DinaDobrou |
9:55 PM |
RT @hoprea: #ELTChat Perhaps what's missing are the pre- and post- observation talks. That's what really matters. Discussing the "why's".. #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
9:55 PM |
RT @CliveSir: #eltchat Teacher observation: Could you benefit from self-observation? by @nutrich http://t.co/XYcqq7jQ |
| EileeMur |
9:55 PM |
@JGakonga For graded ones I have done ;) In non-graded I've tried things out for 1st time & it's v valuable #ELTCHAT |
| Marisa_C |
9:55 PM |
@BrunoELT recordings good cos they get u used to being observed - u can also use bit with ur Ls and have THEM tell u how u did #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:55 PM |
RT @sandymillin: What do you when you first start observing officially?#eltchat It's important to see yr job as supporting teachers. |
| royparmesan |
9:55 PM |
@Marisa_C Agree re judgmental If we're not alert observer position promotes feeling of superiority #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:56 PM |
RT @JGakonga: as an observee, should you be putting on your 'best lesson?' #eltchat don't think so, think it should be what u normally do |
| jimscriv |
9:56 PM |
@JGakonga "Best lessons" tend to be prepared within an inch of their life with no space for learnrs. I love to see a "real" lesson #eltchat |
| hoprea |
9:56 PM |
@jimscriv But don't you agree that having more time tutoring the teacher is a better way to assess him or her? #ELTChat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:56 PM |
RT @CliveSir: #eltchat On Being An Observer by @ChrisOzog http://t.co/0HielUQ7 |
| pivotalpaul |
9:56 PM |
RT @JGakonga: I was observed recently and criticised for not using the IWB, but in that lesson I thought it wasn't appropriate -tickboxes #eltchat |
| fionamau |
9:56 PM |
RT @esolcourses: RT @ShellTerrell: Do you believe checklists for observers are effective? If so, then what does a good one include? #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
9:56 PM |
RT @sandymillin: What do you when you first start observing officially? How do you manage the transition from peer to management obs? #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:56 PM |
@JGakonga hmmm... for development - not if it's not something you would do again.... But for OFSTED.... #eltchat |
| tesPrimary |
9:56 PM |
@JGakonga Don't you feel that they are always looking for something as an 'area of development'? Will always find something!!! #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
9:56 PM |
The future of language learning | Nathan Hall http://t.co/HFW62Z9t #bilingualism #edchat #elt #eltchat #mla |
| Marisa_C |
9:56 PM |
Our TP students have an uncanny ability to pick out teacher problems when our celtas or deltas ask therm how they did #eltchat Ask ur Ss |
| ShellTerrell |
9:56 PM |
RT @JGakonga: I was observed recently and criticised for not using the IWB, but in that lesson I thought it wasn't appropriate -tickboxes #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
9:57 PM |
@rliberni in an ideal world, teachers would have the right to grade observers ;-) would make it much fairer & less intimidating #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
9:57 PM |
RT @JGakonga: Here's another question - as an observee, should you be putting on your 'best lesson?' #eltchat |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:57 PM |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat Agree! After all, they're observing us all the time, so we don't 'change' when they come in + they're main stakeholders |
| Shaunwilden |
9:57 PM |
@Marisa_C I know its frantic this evening! #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
9:57 PM |
@JGakonga if not, you're faking the lesson. also implies other lessons not up to scratch, and really you should be consistent #eltchat |
| jimscriv |
9:57 PM |
@RebuffetBroadus @ShellTerrell Hurray! #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:57 PM |
I think Tchrs having a reflective period after they are observed is also very effective & helpful #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:57 PM |
Oops this is going too fast! You're on fire again! Can't catch you all!!! :-) #eltchat Glad there's fours of us here |
| DavidLittlemore |
9:57 PM |
RT @JGakonga: I was observed recently and criticised for not using the IWB, but in that lesson I thought it wasn't appropriate -tickboxes #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:57 PM |
RT @JGakonga: Here's another question -#eltchat depends on situation. |
| catabohorquez |
9:58 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: I think Tchrs having a reflective period after they are observed is also very effective & helpful #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:58 PM |
RT @DinaDobrou: @sandymillin There's a dvd on @Harmerj 's Practice of Engl. Lang. Teaching and the @IHLondon DVD series http://t.co/WtreEyY6 #ELTchat |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:58 PM |
@jimscriv @JGakonga Agree! For my observed lessons, I'm not doing anything I don't normally do. What would be the point? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:58 PM |
@BrunoELT OUrs do - and they can give very specific advice after they bve been taught for a while #ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:58 PM |
Wow! Hr went by fast! Thanks for another scintillating #ELTChat & great observations & moderating by @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @rliberni |
| hoprea |
9:58 PM |
@jimscriv For instance, by discussing with about teaching and learning beliefs, you can have an idea of the lesson, and planning. #ELTChat |
| chemicalsams |
9:58 PM |
RT @JGakonga: I was observed recently and criticised for not using the IWB, but in that lesson I thought it wasn't appropriate -tickboxes #eltchat |
| fionamau |
9:58 PM |
@sandymillin Re peer 2 management, it's much the same as being a teacher trainer, u look fr the same things, good n bad #eltchat |
| monicafdezm |
9:58 PM |
RT @ESLlibrary: NEW Guest Post: 10 Collaborative Tools ~via @ShellTerrell http://t.co/SZxNTyLZ #ELTChat #twinglish #cafirs12 |
| hartle |
9:59 PM |
RT @ncguerreiro: sounds like you've had bad experiences. Feedback shd & can be invaluable. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:59 PM |
@hoprea good to have you here again :-) #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
9:59 PM |
@JGakonga I was observed and criticised for the using IWB too much. maybe we should go halves and it would be perfect :) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:59 PM |
RT @jimscriv: @hoprea #eltchat But finally, the only way to tell if a T can teach is to watch them teaching.> no other way |
| hoprea |
9:59 PM |
@ShellTerrell @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @rliberni Can't believe I managed to join! It's been so long… #ELTChat |
| hoprea |
9:59 PM |
@ShellTerrell @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @rliberni Can't believe I managed to join! It's been so long… #ELTChat |
| fionamau |
9:59 PM |
RT @JGakonga: I was observed recently and criticised for not using the IWB, but in that lesson I thought it wasn't appropriate -tickboxes #eltchat |
| fionamau |
9:59 PM |
RT @JGakonga: I was observed recently and criticised for not using the IWB, but in that lesson I thought it wasn't appropriate -tickboxes #eltchat |
| jimscriv |
9:59 PM |
@hoprea #eltchat But finally, the only way to tell if a T can teach is to watch them teaching. |
| lyssareads |
10:00 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: I think Tchrs having a reflective period after they are observed is also very effective & helpful #ELTchat |
| Hyrum_Graff |
10:00 PM |
@tesPrimary #ELTchat we're planning to use @StarLesson so you can video teacher and pupil reaction. |
| ShellTerrell |
10:00 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @jimscriv: @hoprea #eltchat But finally, the only way to tell if a T can teach is to watch them teaching.> no other way |
| Marisa_C |
10:00 PM |
RT @digitalmaverick: At my school we have lessons observed byTWO colleagues neither in the same dept as the teacher being observed #eltchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
10:00 PM |
@hoprea @ShellTerrell @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @rliberni Same feeling here, glad I took the time to focus on this. #eltchat |
| Wiktor_K |
10:00 PM |
@esolcourses @rliberni good idea (grading observers) - also, if you're DoS, teach a lesson sometimes that the teacher can grade #ELTChat |
| ShellTerrell |
10:00 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: That was a super fast #ELTchat would anyone like to do the summary? |
| hoprea |
10:00 PM |
@jimscriv I won't argue with that. But we should always bear in mind that even Ss behave differently in an observation. #ELTChat |
| tesPrimary |
10:00 PM |
@Lorna_Aylett Absolutely. That is the right attitude. #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
10:00 PM |
That was a super fast #ELTchat would anyone like to do the summary? |
| esolcourses |
10:01 PM |
RT @Wiktor_K @rliberni also, if you're DoS, teach a lesson sometimes that the teacher can grade #ELTChat ] like that idea too - yes :-) |
| Lorna_Aylett |
10:01 PM |
@tesPrimary even if some of us find it very hard to take! #ELTChat |
| ShellTerrell |
10:01 PM |
@vbenevolofranca @hoprea Great to have you here! #Eltchat |
| JGakonga |
10:01 PM |
Thanks everyone - really interesting - good night! #eltchat |
| tesPrimary |
10:01 PM |
@Miss_e80 Agreed. Most advice is well meant. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
10:01 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: RT @esolcourses: in an ideal world, teachers would have right to grade observers ;-) would make it much fairer & less intimidating #ELTChat |
| jimscriv |
10:01 PM |
@hoprea #eltchat. It's quantum physics. The act of observing itself changes the nature of the thing being observed. |
| ShellTerrell |
10:01 PM |
RT @esolcourses: in an ideal world, teachers would have right to grade observers ;-) would make it much fairer & less intimidating #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
10:01 PM |
Another gr8 chat with v imp topic thx to @Marisa_C @ShellTerrell @Shaunwilden #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
10:01 PM |
@digitalmaverick why not in the same department? #eltchat and do you find it works? |
| EileeMur |
10:02 PM |
@RebuffetBroadus @jimscriv @JGakonga I know def did some 'best' ones when new and nervous. 'Normal' much better tho, agree. #ELTCHAT |
| SophiaMav |
10:02 PM |
@hoprea It depends. If ss are used to being observed they may not act that differently #eltchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
10:02 PM |
@jimscriv @hoprea This couldn´t be truer....#eltchat |
| tishylishy |
10:02 PM |
RT @tesPrimary: A good teacher doesn't know that they are. They are always looking for ways to improve their practice. No arrogance about self. #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
10:02 PM |
Ahh, missed #eltchat - so sorry. Hope you had a good one all ;) |
| sandymillin |
10:02 PM |
RT @RebuffetBroadus: @jimscriv @JGakonga For observed lessons, I'm not doing anything I don't normlly do.What wud be the point? #ELTchat < 0 |
| DinaDobrou |
10:02 PM |
@BrunoELT Like the idea. Obs becomes routine for sts 2. But 4 YLs and teens need parental permission. #ELTchat |
| MarieWallace7 |
10:03 PM |
RT @tesPrimary: A good teacher doesn't know that they are. They are always looking for ways to improve their practice. No arrogance about self. #eltchat |
| royparmesan |
10:03 PM |
@sandymillin maybe observation lesson should be deliberately underprepared to maximise learning opportunity Observation unplugged? #eltchat |
| eannegrenoble |
10:03 PM |
@antoniaclare ;-) s.o. else for a change - that's usually me :-) #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
10:03 PM |
@hoprea @jimscriv post about the 'Schrodinger's cat' nature of observation: http://t.co/YSmHKEJ5 by @MrChrisJWilson #ELTChat |
| DinaDobrou |
10:03 PM |
@jimscriv @hoprea So, it's "demand high" teaching AND "demand high" school management. Biggest challenge is retraining managers. #ELTchat |
| geordie_online |
10:03 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: I don't believe in grading teachers. It becomes more about the score than specific feedbk & goals to improve on #ELTChat |
| tesPrimary |
10:03 PM |
@Lorna_Aylett Indeed. Student teachers can be fragile during this process, so needs to be managed carefully #eltchat |
| hartle |
10:03 PM |
RT @CliveSir: #eltchat Some Observations on Observation by @DaveDodgson http://t.co/YeTSFXzc interesting a count if depressing. |
| esolcourses |
10:03 PM |
Thanks for another great #ELTChat folks, and to the Fantastic Four (@rliberni @ShellTerrell @Marisa_C & @Shaunwilden for moderating :-) |
| ncguerreiro |
10:03 PM |
@hartle I've had good experiences, too. but the bad ones came first and were abundant. A bit of a trauma. #ELTchat |
| hoprea |
10:03 PM |
@jimscriv I wouldn't be able to say that, but that's exactly it! I just don't think it should be THE tool to assess teachers. #ELTChat |
| esolcourses |
10:03 PM |
@hoprea @ShellTerrell I meant more that the observee would have the right to grade how the observer carried out the process #ELTChat |
| geordie_online |
10:03 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Its funny how teachers dont like being observed when technically sts are observing them all the time #ELTchat |
| mbrayford |
10:03 PM |
RT @tesPrimary: A good teacher doesn't know that they are. They are always looking for ways to improve their practice. No arrogance about self. #eltchat |
| jimscriv |
10:04 PM |
RT @sandymillin:@jimscriv post about the 'Schrodinger's cat' nature of observation: http://t.co/ogbnMGwA by @MrChrisJWilson #ELTChat |
| sandymillin |
10:04 PM |
@royparmesan don't see the point of doing sth diff for observed lesson -neither more nor less. if diff, it's not helpful but fake #eltchat |
| hartle |
10:04 PM |
@ncguerreiro #eltchat :-(( and the trauma always seems to last longer. |
| DinaDobrou |
10:04 PM |
RT @timjulian60: I like to ask to Ts to invite me into their "difficult" classes, then onus is on me to help not criticise in feedback #eltchat |
| hoprea |
10:04 PM |
@jimscriv Just to make myself clear(er), I'm in favour of observations, but it depends on how you use them. #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
10:04 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: We need to wrap up this wonderful #ELTchat and we also need to ask you to volunteer to write the summary - Who will pls? #eltchat |
| DinaDobrou |
10:04 PM |
RT @hartle: RT @sandymillin: What do you when you first start observing officially?#eltchat It's important to see yr job as supporting teachers. |
| Marisa_C |
10:04 PM |
We need to wrap up this wonderful #ELTchat and we also need to ask you to volunteer to write the summary - Who will pls? #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
10:05 PM |
@hoprea @jimscriv agree... but like to know else do/would you use? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
10:05 PM |
RT @esolcourses: Thanks for another great #ELTChat folks, and to the Fantastic Four (@rliberni @ShellTerrell @Marisa_C & @Shaunwilden for moderating :-) |
| hoprea |
10:05 PM |
@DinaDobrou @jimscriv Perhaps that's the starting point. Hmm… maybe this will become a blog post… hehehe #ELTChat |
| tesPrimary |
10:05 PM |
Involved in two interesting #eltchat 's today. Thanks to those who have hosted and moderated. |
| Marisa_C |
10:06 PM |
@hoprea te he he never miss an opportunity :-) #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
10:06 PM |
Thanks for joining everyone - great to see our Brazilian friends :-) yay yay and @jimscriv who is beginning to remember hashtags! #eltchat |
| DinaDobrou |
10:06 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Our TP sts have uncanny ability 2 pick out T problems when our celtas/deltas ask therm how they did#eltchat Ask ur Ss>Vouch4it |
| Marisa_C |
10:07 PM |
RT @digitalmaverick: @Marisa_C Yes it works - we do this to extend good practice & to be impartial #eltchat (pls remember hashtag) |
| sandymillin |
10:07 PM |
If you want to join in, tweet your pictures and include the #eltpics hashtag. One of the us will upload to http://t.co/2vqI5T42 #eltchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
10:07 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: If anyone's still feeling energetic, I wld love your quick answer to 'What does being creative mean to you ?' http://t.co/WuyPRGgn #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
10:07 PM |
If anyone's still feeling energetic, I wld love your quick answer to 'What does being creative mean to you ?' http://t.co/WuyPRGgn #eltchat |
| jimscriv |
10:07 PM |
@Marisa_C #imgettingthehangofitslowly #eltchat |
| schiverton |
10:07 PM |
I really enjoyed the #ELTchat observation is something we can all improve upon. |
| Marisa_C |
10:07 PM |
Summary pls? #eltchat who is going to earn the badge? #Eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
10:07 PM |
Ok think the discussion has stopped so I'll go get the transcript, have a good evening everyone #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
10:07 PM |
Don't forget: #eltpics running 2 topics at the moment: TREES http://t.co/rOBVO5F1 & DAILY ROUTINES http://t.co/CZGE3O7q #eltchat |
| hoprea |
10:08 PM |
@jimscriv @Marisa_C You'll soon be addicted to it, Jim! Looking forward to Braz-TESOL in Rio! :) #ELTChat |
| agarridodiez |
10:08 PM |
Teacher observations should be customized and not standardized. Teachers,as students,need to get relevant feedback about their work #ELTChat |
| MsTumelty |
10:08 PM |
RT @tesPrimary: A good teacher doesn't know that they are. They are always looking for ways to improve their practice. No arrogance about self. #eltchat |
| hartle |
10:08 PM |
#eltchat thnx everyone for another good chat, falling asleep as I type I'm afraid. Night all :-) |
| royparmesan |
10:08 PM |
@sandymillin I mean that in the sense of not preparing for observation which is something quite different #eltchat |
| PrincipalJ |
10:09 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: I think Tchrs having a reflective period after they are observed is also very effective & helpful #ELTchat |
| eannegrenoble |
10:09 PM |
@jimscriv @Marisa_C ahhhh Braz-TESOL in Rio! - mon rêve ! #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
10:09 PM |
SUMMARY?????? #ELTchat |
| designerlessons |
10:09 PM |
RT @sandymillin: If you want to join in, tweet your pictures and include the #eltpics hashtag. One of the us will upload to http://t.co/2vqI5T42 #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
10:09 PM |
RT @hoprea: @jimscriv @Marisa_C You'll soon be addicted to it, Jim! :) #ELTChat He's hooked already ;) |
| EileeMur |
10:09 PM |
Thanks to all - really useful and enjoyable #ELTCHAT :) |
| ElkySmith |
10:09 PM |
#eltchat Thanks for the follows and RTs during the 'gd T/gd S' chat |
| pysproblem81 |
10:09 PM |
Thanks for great #eltchat everyone - same time next week? |
| DinaDobrou |
10:09 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Oops this is going 2fast! Ur on fire! Can't catch u all!:-) #eltchat Glad there's 4 of us here> Gee & I thought I was dizzy! |
| schiverton |
10:09 PM |
#eltchat summry: it's important to have pre and post observation chats. Observers need to have a focus. recording lessons good for tch dev. |
| vbenevolofranca |
10:09 PM |
@hoprea @DinaDobrou @jimscriv Sounds like a good idea Henrick. #eltchat |
| schiverton |
10:10 PM |
#ELTchat: reflective periods are very effective and helpful for Ts. |
| Marisa_C |
10:10 PM |
@hoprea Yep we've missed you #ELTChat |
| sandymillin |
10:10 PM |
#infiniteeltideas this week is an Orange advert http://t.co/K8Pzt0P6 How would you use it in your classes? #eltchat |
| hartle |
10:10 PM |
RT @esolcourses: RT @fionamau A NEW #eltpics blog has just hit the blogosphere: About http://t.co/wiiC1qBa Home http://t.co/WCkeZxpI #eltchat #elt #JALT #esl |
| hoprea |
10:10 PM |
@antoniaclare @jimscriv @Marisa_C So I think I'm the one who needs to come back to the chat! #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
10:11 PM |
@hoprea @jimscriv #ELTChat Yes!!!! Rio here we come!!!! :-D |
| wiamhey |
10:11 PM |
RT @tesPrimary: A good teacher doesn't know that they are. They are always looking for ways to improve their practice. No arrogance about self. #eltchat |
| elearningtactic |
10:12 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @jimscriv: @hoprea #eltchat But finally, the only way to tell if a T can teach is to watch them teaching.> no other way |
| seldaakkaya_ |
10:12 PM |
RT @CliveSir: #eltchat On Being An Observer by @ChrisOzog http://t.co/0HielUQ7 |
| DinaDobrou |
10:13 PM |
@vbenevolofranca @hoprea @jimscriv Keep us posted Henrick! #ELTchat |
| DinaDobrou |
10:13 PM |
Great chat everyone, thank you everyone! #ELTchat |
| vickyloras |
10:13 PM |
RT @hartle: RT @CliveSir: #eltchat Some Observations on Observation by @DaveDodgson http://t.co/YeTSFXzc interesting a count if depressing. |
| CELT_Athens |
10:14 PM |
RT @sandymillin: If you decide to write the #eltchat summary, loads of hits on your blog! :) & if u don't have 1, gr8 way 2 start #eltchat |
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