| username |
time |
status |
| jankenb2 |
10:03 PM |
#eltchat Good night all. Thanks. |
| SueAnnan |
10:03 PM |
Thanks everyone interesting points of view from round the world tonight #ELTchat. Well done Shaun for moderating alone |
| MrChrisJWilson |
10:03 PM |
#eltchat my biggest concern with the "quality" debate is it usually means available for a few rather than the many. #agreedisagree ? |
| jankenb2 |
10:03 PM |
#eltchat Quality vs cost: EAP or conversational English? Min readiness to sit for a govt exam or entrance into an Eng. uni? Dif objs & $ |
| RebuffetBroadus |
10:03 PM |
@Shaunwilden @SueAnnan Thanks for agreeing to do that Sue! #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
10:02 PM |
Thanks for joining everyone see you all next week #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
10:02 PM |
@patjack67 Good night #eltchat |
| patjack67 |
10:02 PM |
#eltchat Good night from Dublin. Better do some work! |
| reasons4 |
10:02 PM |
@Shaunwilden @SueAnnan oi that was my school :-) okay you got a point. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
10:02 PM |
@SueAnnan Oh thanks Sue much appreciated #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
10:01 PM |
@Shaunwilden I'll do it #eltchat |
| RebuffetBroadus |
10:01 PM |
@terkeurss @patjack67 Agree. In most schools I know, Ts finance their own CPD and take their vacation time to do it too! #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
10:01 PM |
@jankenb2 So do I. I negotiate something that can be identified at the end of the week #ELTchat |
| patjack67 |
10:01 PM |
#eltchat I put my money on quality winning out in the end, but at lower prices for student/lower returns for providers Catch 22? |
| Shaunwilden |
10:00 PM |
Well we appear to be at the end of the hour, anyone fancy doing the summary? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
10:00 PM |
@RebuffetBroadus Yes. You're right. Our clients are often businessmen or teachers #ELTchat |
| terkeurss |
9:59 PM |
@patjack67 It is shocking here in Canada too! No wonder conference attendance is low. CPD is important, but supporting it is also! #eltchat |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:59 PM |
@Shaunwilden @SueAnnan Depends on local market maybe. #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:59 PM |
@Shaunwilden Yep #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:59 PM |
@SueAnnan I know horrid aint it #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:59 PM |
@Shaunwilden No wonder we are not taken seriously then #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:58 PM |
@RebuffetBroadus @Shaunwilden @patjack67 the "affordable luxury" but how do you market education like that #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:58 PM |
@SueAnnan Maybe in Jersey but in Prague for the 15yrs I was there owest price won and that was usually the lowest quality school #eltchat |
| jankenb2 |
9:57 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson @Shaunwilden #eltchat It should. I wouldn't compromise either. |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:57 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson @Shaunwilden @patjack67 #ELTchat Maybe. The luxury sector (Chanel, etc) is thriving in the crisis. Just an example |
| SueAnnan |
9:57 PM |
@Shaunwilden I disagree, beacuse quality, at the right cost, is still valuable to the discerning #eltchat |
| jankenb2 |
9:56 PM |
@hartle @Shaunwilden @patjack67 #eltchat Interactivity and input is a better benchmark than cost. How informed are ELT Ts on impt of theory? |
| Shaunwilden |
9:56 PM |
@SueAnnan @MrChrisJWilson I'd say no #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:56 PM |
@hartle Ta ta see you next week #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:56 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson Yes #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:56 PM |
@Shaunwilden @patjack67 But does quality sell during a recession? #eltchat |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:56 PM |
@jankenb2 @reasons4 @Shaunwilden #ELTchat Invest in standards = invest in tchr training + decent pay to keep the good tchrs! |
| hartle |
9:55 PM |
#eltchat it's getting late, I'm afraid, and sleep is calling, not to mention the cat who wants dinner. See you all nextnweek |
| patjack67 |
9:55 PM |
@Shaunwilden £#eltchat Most 'successful' school I know has management in planes all over the world week in week out. |
| jankenb2 |
9:55 PM |
@reasons4 @Shaunwilden #eltchat Sound curriculum is not a text book but a sound framwork of goals and obj. Invest in standards over T manual |
| hartle |
9:54 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @patjack67 #eltchat Stds generally look for low cost and reasonable quality, but can they judge? |
| Shaunwilden |
9:54 PM |
aarrghhh we're were only 7 minutes from the end, we almost made it thru :-( #eltchat |
| patjack67 |
9:53 PM |
#eltchat I was shocked to hear how much teachers get paid in a leading school in Brighton. No wonder none of them went to #IATEFL last year |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:53 PM |
@reasons4 @Shaunwilden Dogme can offer some help in times when schools can't/don't invest in mats! #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:53 PM |
@patjack67 I just wonder at the end of day how much quality is overlooked for good marketing #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:53 PM |
RT @jankenb2: @hartle@reasons4 #eltchat It has definitely increased st. Fear and fear is a force for motivation |
| SueAnnan |
9:52 PM |
@pysproblem81 Yes, but the big wigs don't think #eLTchat |
| patjack67 |
9:51 PM |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat That's what my friends who run the good ones tell me! |
| SueAnnan |
9:51 PM |
@reasons4 thin ice? #eltchat |
| terkeurss |
9:51 PM |
@Shaunwilden @patjack67 raise prices and pay Ts much less which means they must hold down more than one job #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:51 PM |
@jankenb2 I think it has. Certainly for the students I deal with #eltchat |
| reasons4 |
9:51 PM |
@Shaunwilden well I thought that was why this #eltchat was proposed. Recesion means we can't afford coursebooks so T's wing it sorry use D |
| Shaunwilden |
9:51 PM |
@patjack67 are the ones going out of business, ones that are seen as providing less quality? #eltchat |
| jankenb2 |
9:51 PM |
@hartle@reasons4 #eltchat Well, tech can solve the global crisis too. ;-) But remaining on $ & access, has the crises incr. S motivation? |
| hartle |
9:50 PM |
RT @waykatewit: #eltchat me tooAll my courses have blended element, really & I find it imperative to do things gradually, a bit at a time |
| patjack67 |
9:50 PM |
#eltchat In Dublin some schools going out of business and some still doing well. More volatile and less forgiving environment? |
| waykatewit |
9:49 PM |
@hartle @hartle I do. Since everything's so unstable I make every single lesson a micro-course so 2 speak :) :) - #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:49 PM |
@pysproblem81 sorry. NOW I understand where you're coming from #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:48 PM |
RT @patjack67: As a matter of interest, is anything getting more expensive in ELT? Anyone? #eltchat good question. |
| Shaunwilden |
9:48 PM |
@patjack67 i think schools do still raise prices #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:48 PM |
@SueAnnan classes subsidised - so less funding means fewer classes and longer waiting lists #eltchat |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:48 PM |
@patjack67 #ELTchat Being a tchr ;) Many pay for own prof'l dev. training, pay own way to attend conferences, buy own materials, etc. |
| dropthepencil |
9:48 PM |
Hate to go, friends. Looking forward to "seeing" you in a few weeks! #eltchat |
| steve_muir |
9:48 PM |
@patjack67 #eltchat our courses |
| waykatewit |
9:47 PM |
@hartle great - I have been recently thinking a lot about what turns out 2B called BL! #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:47 PM |
RT @jankenb2: @Shaunwilden @reasons4 #eltchat as usual I am about 10 tweets behind.... Global crisis, but we always get onto tech :-) |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:47 PM |
@patjack67 @Shaunwilden my schools fees #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:47 PM |
@patjack67 I don't think we have raised our fees in a few years #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:47 PM |
RT @patjack67: As a matter of interest, is anything getting more expensive in ELT? Anyone? #eltchat |
| patjack67 |
9:46 PM |
As a matter of interest, is anything getting more expensive in ELT? Anyone? #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:46 PM |
RT @RebuffetBroadus: #ELTchat Effects: growth in tech; fewer long-term contracts; stagnating tchr salaries; corp clients slow to commit to training budget... |
| hartle |
9:46 PM |
#eltchat in our context lack of conintuity often means lower quality. Teachers don't invest as much with no hope of continued work. |
| SueAnnan |
9:46 PM |
@pysproblem81 waiting lists for sts? Why don't they employ the teachers then? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:46 PM |
@jankenb2 Well the discussion a a topic shld be the recession on elt but it from that we've gone off on a tangent :-) #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:45 PM |
@Shaunwilden in my sector + redundancies & less stability for Ts and less availabilty and longer waiting lists for classes for Sts #eltchat |
| jankenb2 |
9:45 PM |
@Shaunwilden @reasons4 #eltchat as usual I am about 10 tweets behind. What is the current discussion? Tech and EFL or economy? |
| hartle |
9:45 PM |
RT @MellynEducation: Arrrgh! Hate to go, but must. Hope to connect with you all again! ...#ELTchat nice to hear frm U 2 :-) |
| hartle |
9:45 PM |
RT @waykatewit: @hartle let's make a joint project then? :) #eltchat Gd idea, here's our latest BL page http://t.co/4PwIdGhq |
| SueAnnan |
9:44 PM |
@Shaunwilden OOps #eltchat |
| dropthepencil |
9:44 PM |
@reasons4 LOL #eltchat |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:44 PM |
#ELTchat Effects: growth in tech; fewer long-term contracts; stagnating tchr salaries; corp clients slow to commit to training budget... |
| Shaunwilden |
9:44 PM |
@reasons4 ok but dont wake the sleeping d word people #eltchat |
| dropthepencil |
9:44 PM |
RT @waykatewit @jankenb2 Online = the norm next few years. No replace F2F but it will be considered basic to the curriculum. #eltchat |
| reasons4 |
9:44 PM |
“@Shaunwilden: @reasons4 oi thought you couldnt take part tonight ;-) #eltchat†credit where credit's due |
| jankenb2 |
9:44 PM |
@pysproblem81 #eltchat Why tech? B/C we are in the knowledge construction era of learning and tech facilitates +++ than trad. T>S paradigm. |
| reasons4 |
9:43 PM |
“@pysproblem81: #eltchat - love the way teachers turn any discussion into a reason to use #edtech....†either that or #reflectivepractice |
| waykatewit |
9:42 PM |
RT @jankenb2: #eltchat Online will become the norm in the next few years. It will not replace F2F but it will be considered basic to the curriculum.1 of 2 |
| Shaunwilden |
9:42 PM |
@pysproblem81 Ok so apart from a growth in tech what other effects has the recession had? #eltchat |
| waykatewit |
9:42 PM |
@jankenb2 @hartle wow great! #eltchat |
| dropthepencil |
9:42 PM |
@jankenb2 as will I! #eltchat |
| reasons4 |
9:42 PM |
“@pysproblem81: #eltchat - love the way teachers on twitter turn any discussion into a reason to use #edtech....†tweet of the day :-) 10/10 |
| MellynEducation |
9:42 PM |
Arrrgh! Hate to go, but must. Hope to connect with you all again! It was lovely and inspiring.. #ELTchat |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:41 PM |
#ELTchat How well do tchr training programs (CELTA/DELTA/Trinity/etc) address tech issues? DO they address them? |
| Shaunwilden |
9:41 PM |
@pysproblem81 :-) #eltchat |
| dropthepencil |
9:41 PM |
RT @jankenb2 The speed at which instr design is moving is changing teacher educ entirely. Tech not a tool; it is a literacy. #eltchat |
| dropthepencil |
9:41 PM |
RT @jankenb2 The speed at which instr design is moving is changing teacher educ entirely. Tech not a tool; it is a literacy. #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:41 PM |
#eltchat - love the way teachers on twitter turn any discussion into a reason to use #edtech.... |
| dropthepencil |
9:40 PM |
@hartle Yes, that would be lovely! #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:40 PM |
RT @waykatewit: @hartle sorry for my spelling - hurry to type... #eltchat me too, it's the iphone keyboard :-(( |
| jankenb2 |
9:40 PM |
@waykatewit @hartle #eltchat...I'll participate too. |
| Shaunwilden |
9:40 PM |
@hartle Well at least the people who consult withe me anyway :-) #eltchat |
| MellynEducation |
9:40 PM |
@teacherphili That's exciting that you'll have ideas, passion AND the knowledge to implement! Kinda jealous :) #ELTchat |
| jankenb2 |
9:39 PM |
#eltchat 2/2 The speed at which instructional design is moving is changing teacher educ entirely. Tech is not a tool; it is a literacy. |
| waykatewit |
9:39 PM |
@hartle let's make a joint project then? :) #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:39 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @hartle Yes they do but there is a grwoing awareness that they need to invest in it properly #eltchat I hope so, but... |
| hartle |
9:39 PM |
#eltchat I use blended a lot, and stds who are motivated really benefit. |
| waykatewit |
9:38 PM |
@hartle sorry for my spelling - hurry to type... #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
9:38 PM |
@MellynEducation Just got the dissertation to go. Finish Sep. Lots of ideas for using tech in ELT with a sound pedagogical basis. #eltchat |
| MellynEducation |
9:38 PM |
@RebuffetBroadus I'm also looking at programs... #ELTchat |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:38 PM |
@hartle @pysproblem81 @Shaunwilden #ELTchat That's the prob--when schools don't properly do BE & throw Ss into the virtual learning jungle |
| SueAnnan |
9:38 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @hartle Yes they do but there is a grwoing awareness that they need to invest in it properly #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:38 PM |
@hartle Yes they do but there is a grwoing awareness that they need to invest in it properly #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:37 PM |
#eltchat @hartle @RebuffetBroadus @Shaunwilden some will get it right... some will get it very wrong.... |
| hartle |
9:37 PM |
RT @dropthepencil: @hartle Unfortunately, you DO need a bit of paper. :/ #eltchat yes, but I'd like motivated stds too :-) |
| jankenb2 |
9:37 PM |
#eltchat Online will become the norm in the next few years. It will not replace F2F but it will be considered basic to the curriculum.1 of 2 |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:36 PM |
@teacherphili @MellynEducation @hartle #ELTchat Thinking about doing DELTA mod 3 on tech. Would be irresponsible not to learn some tchr tech |
| MellynEducation |
9:36 PM |
Also true. RT @dropthepencil: @hartle Unfortunately, you DO need a bit of paper. :/ #ELTchat |
| waykatewit |
9:36 PM |
@Shaunwilden it;s just I used to have a more romantic attitude to my profession :) hence was my high quality #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:36 PM |
RT @waykatewit: @hartle which means there is a niche for a cunsulting servise sorting that out for them :) #eltchat absolutely :-) |
| MellynEducation |
9:36 PM |
@teacherphili Good thinking! When do you finish? #ELTchat |
| dropthepencil |
9:36 PM |
@hartle Unfortunately, you DO need a bit of paper. :/ #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:35 PM |
RT @pysproblem81: #eltchat @RebuffetBroadus @Shaunwilden Many institutions think this, but can be like giving stds a book and no direction |
| SueAnnan |
9:35 PM |
I do a lot of my own CPD online, but have colleagues who prefer the human touch :-( #ELTchat |
| MellynEducation |
9:35 PM |
TRUE! RT @hartle: #eltchat global crisis means people inncourses who R not really motivated, justnthink theynneed a bitof paper #ELTchat |
| teacherphili |
9:35 PM |
@MellynEducation @hartle I'm glad I chose to do a MA this year with an ICT specialism... have learned loads. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:35 PM |
@waykatewit am not sure it is a sad, if it leads to proper competition, investment and innovation #eltchat |
| waykatewit |
9:35 PM |
@hartle which means there is a niche for a cunsulting servise sorting that out for them :) #eltchat |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:34 PM |
@pysproblem81 @Shaunwilden #ELTchat I did DELTA mod 1 blended and thought it went very well. Mod 3 probably will too b/c rather autonomous. |
| SueAnnan |
9:34 PM |
@jankenb2 I agree, but I think you need both rather than 1 or other #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:34 PM |
#eltchat global crisis means people inncourses who R not really motivated, justnthink theynneed a bitof paper |
| MellynEducation |
9:34 PM |
Technology can bring it's own cost of Learning Management Systems, etc. #ELTchat |
| waykatewit |
9:34 PM |
@Raquel_EFL @SueAnnan @Shaunwilden @hartle yes - and it's sad to face... ;( #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:33 PM |
@pysproblem81 well from pov which is more training teachers, it's definitely growing #eltchat |
| MellynEducation |
9:33 PM |
@hartle Good point. There's a lot of tech out there for learning and teaching. #ELTchat |
| waykatewit |
9:33 PM |
@RebuffetBroadus @hartle absolutely - personally, I'm very positive about the changes - mastering new models... Interesting! #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:32 PM |
#eltchat @RebuffetBroadus @Shaunwilden Think blended seen by many as lower cost & is growing (looking at it for DELTA module 3....) |
| hartle |
9:32 PM |
#eltchat some stds overwhelmed by all materials aailable online. Don'tknow where to start |
| Shaunwilden |
9:32 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: RT @RebuffetBroadus: #ELTchat Yes, major changes, but tchrs have to learn to adapt and not look for 20th cent. work models in 21st cent. |
| SueAnnan |
9:32 PM |
RT @RebuffetBroadus: #ELTchat Yes, major changes, but tchrs have to learn to adapt and not look for 20th cent. work models in 21st cent. |
| Shaunwilden |
9:31 PM |
@Raquel_EFL in the private language sector i'd agree #eltchat |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:31 PM |
@waykatewit @hartle #ELTchat Yes, major changes, but tchrs have to learn to adapt and not look for 20th cent. work models in 21st cent. |
| hartle |
9:31 PM |
@waykatewit #eltchat so education more about guided learning strategies in bornded learning |
| Shaunwilden |
9:30 PM |
@hartle @jankenb2 Agreed #eltchat |
| waykatewit |
9:29 PM |
@hartle seems like yes major change - lots of signs of that not only TEFL #ELTchat EG, self-educated people, free online lesons etc |
| hartle |
9:29 PM |
RT @jankenb2: @Shaunwilden #eltchat When a hybrid or blended course is designed using sound principles... I agree & so more work for teacher |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:29 PM |
@pysproblem81 @Shaunwilden #ELTchat BE can be good if done well. Can't become "multimedia mayhem" as Andrew Wickham said. |
| SueAnnan |
9:28 PM |
@jankenb2 I think it's as good as.. not better #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:28 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @hartle I dont see it as different from offering free lessons... #eltchat Yes, but I'vr seen complete courses of 60 hours |
| MellynEducation |
9:28 PM |
But many schools see education as a business and may only look for cheap labour as opposed to qualifications... #ELTchat |
| jankenb2 |
9:28 PM |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat When a hybrid or blended course is designed using sound principles of multimedia, then the course is better than FtF. |
| Shaunwilden |
9:27 PM |
@MellynEducation What do you not understand? Being self-employed rather than work for a school fulltime#eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:27 PM |
@MellynEducation The island of Jersey #ELTchat |
| MellynEducation |
9:27 PM |
@SueAnnan Where are you? #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:27 PM |
#eltchat work conditions reflect our world, gr8ter insecurity, are we going through a time of major change, or is it all orchestrated? |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:27 PM |
#ELTchat Tchrs need to become entrepreneurs and market themselves w/ quality, differentiated services to stand out from the crowd |
| teacherphili |
9:27 PM |
@RebuffetBroadus anecdotal evidence suggests a lot of EFL teachers using the Olympics as project theme for short courses this year #eltchat |
| MellynEducation |
9:27 PM |
Not sure I understand 'Freelance' teaching. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:27 PM |
@pysproblem81 @RebuffetBroadus I dont think it is a question of better or cheaper, it's a different option #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:26 PM |
@hartle I dont see it as different from offering free lessons, as many do on celta courses #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:26 PM |
#eltchat @Shaunwilden @RebuffetBroadus do you think it is better for learners, or just cheaper? (genunine Q) |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:25 PM |
@hartle #ELTchat I recently interviewed at 4 diff. lang schools--all offered work, but no real contract! |
| hartle |
9:25 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @hartle @RebuffetBroadus @ljp2010 I quite like it as a marketing idea #eltchat yes if it leads on to "real courses" |
| SueAnnan |
9:25 PM |
WE are so busy that we've employed teachers straight off the cert course I finished 2 weeks ago :-) #ELTchat |
| MellynEducation |
9:25 PM |
@SueAnnan I had to a bit. Mostly for technology and a bit on adjusting activities. #ELTchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:25 PM |
#eltchat @SueAnnan yes, that sounds a positive approach - competing with quality... |
| waykatewit |
9:25 PM |
@Shaunwilden :) competition used 2b less in Ukraine - and still, do not like stuff like groupon #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:24 PM |
@RebuffetBroadus @pysproblem81 though surely the costs of the teacher dont change much they still have to deal with the blend? #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:24 PM |
#eltchat in our uni no new full time contracts. Everyone new on fixed term |
| Shaunwilden |
9:24 PM |
@hartle @RebuffetBroadus @ljp2010 I quite like it as a marketing idea #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:24 PM |
@MellynEducation did you retrain? #ELTchat |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:24 PM |
@Shaunwilden @pysproblem81 #ELTchat That's what we've done in my co. Gone blended to reduce tchr F2F time (thus budgets) |
| SueAnnan |
9:23 PM |
@pysproblem81 yes, because there is more investment in the teachers #eltchat |
| MellynEducation |
9:23 PM |
Online makes sense to me, but required a minor adjustment in teaching 'style' #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:23 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @RebuffetBroadus @hartle @ljp2010 I've heard of quite a few schools that use it #eltchat good initial publicity, I suppose |
| pysproblem81 |
9:23 PM |
@SueAnnan do you think this is a positive development - are courses better now? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:22 PM |
@waykatewit Isn't there always huge competition? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:22 PM |
@pysproblem81 Aha, as sue said different types of courses, differing delivery e.g. blended, online #eltchat |
| waykatewit |
9:22 PM |
@Shaunwilden exactly, which I don't like - evidence of huge competition and devaluing #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:21 PM |
#eltchat in past of course there were cheap magazine courses, that nobody was motivated to do more than 2 episodes of |
| SueAnnan |
9:21 PM |
@pysproblem81 we offer sports , EAP, ESP, combination courses. Much more than before #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:21 PM |
#eltchat we've had more "Tourist" teachers come through too. In it for a year/two till other work recovers. |
| pysproblem81 |
9:21 PM |
@Shaunwilden think growing trend in FE towards more fixed-term & hourly paid work #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:21 PM |
@pysproblem81 Sorry phil, lost thread, in what way what? #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:21 PM |
RT @RebuffetBroadus: @hartle @ljp2010 #ELTchat Really?? Groupon lang courses?? Yes at ridiculous prices... Don't know abt quality |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:21 PM |
#ELTchat Diversifying = key to survivial IMHO! Few companies will (or can) pay for only F2F classes. |
| waykatewit |
9:21 PM |
@Shaunwilden Not sure - I have a lot of private hours but my SS are 1 time a week this year! Devise new teaching styles :) #ELTchat |
| jankenb2 |
9:20 PM |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat Not at my school. The program's mainstay is training Ss to pass the entrance exams for the Eng only universities. |
| SueAnnan |
9:20 PM |
@RebuffetBroadus I even saw a CERT course offered on Groupon :-) #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:20 PM |
@RebuffetBroadus @hartle @ljp2010 I've heard of quite a few schools that use it #eltchat |
| MellynEducation |
9:20 PM |
@RebuffetBroadus I teach online to remote learners across Canada by contract via gov't. Private sector, EAP is different #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:20 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: I guess the affect on teachers depends on whether they R contracted or freelance #eltchat I find I'm being asked more 4 PT |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:20 PM |
@hartle @ljp2010 #ELTchat Really?? Groupon lang courses?? |
| Shaunwilden |
9:19 PM |
@waykatewit groupon options, offering discounts via it I guess? #eltchat |
| waykatewit |
9:19 PM |
@Shaunwilden #ELTchat yes, some of them do diversify in Kharkov - getting a few there and a few here. + groupon options |
| dropthepencil |
9:18 PM |
@ljp2010 Get with the trend! Get with the trend! :) #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:18 PM |
RT @ljp2010: Do you think online options are ......#ELTchat gd question, & Groupon lang. Courses at cut prices. |
| vickyloras |
9:18 PM |
@RebuffetBroadus Switzerland - freelance is most common #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:18 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Is the recession leading schools to diversify the types of courses they offer? #eltchat Yes. I think so |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:17 PM |
#ELTchat France: freelance teaching; or continuous contract but paid per hour worked (no fixed, guarantted monthly salary). |
| ljp2010 |
9:17 PM |
@dropthepencil Well it does if you don't get with the trend and do online courses yourself ;-) #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:17 PM |
Is the recession leading schools to diversify the types of courses they offer? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:17 PM |
@steve_muir Thank you #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:17 PM |
@Shaunwilden Thanjks. Shaun. Where we are it has increased footfall as the Europeans need English to improve job chances #eltchat |
| waykatewit |
9:16 PM |
@ljp2010 I think so #ELTchat |
| dropthepencil |
9:16 PM |
@ljp2010 online should still count though. Doesn't matter if which seat you're in. :) #eltchat |
| steve_muir |
9:16 PM |
@SueAnnan #eltchat how's the global receccion affecting elt |
| Shaunwilden |
9:16 PM |
RT @RebuffetBroadus: #ELTchat Quick survey: What country are you teaching in and what is the most common teaching contract/work system? |
| waykatewit |
9:16 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson Not sure - my school's numbers are stable 400-ish, but we've been in the market for over 14 yrs #eltchat |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:16 PM |
#ELTchat Quick survey: What country are you teaching in and what is the most common teaching contract/work system? |
| Shaunwilden |
9:16 PM |
@SueAnnan Hi Sue How the global recession is affecting/has affected the ELT profession #eltchat |
| jankenb2 |
9:15 PM |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat Turkey has not been affected as hard as the EU so the effect is minimal. But there is an uptick in enrollment in EFL. |
| MellynEducation |
9:15 PM |
RT @teacherphili: Wonder if anyone knows if The Olympics will have any effect on numbers coming to UK this summer? #ELTchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:15 PM |
Do you think online options are also contributing to less "bums on seats"? #ELTchat |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:14 PM |
@teacherphili #ELTchat Good question there. As in Olympics = huge advert campaign for UK ESOL programs? |
| hartle |
9:14 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @hartle And a lack of fund makes your job more difficult i'd expect #eltchat yes, U fund yr own training etc. |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:14 PM |
@waykatewit Makes sense for the Euro's! Are they all filling up or fighting for the same places (Dnipro/we aren't feeling it) #eltchat |
| steve_muir |
9:13 PM |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat perhaps less well paid work for private or company classes? |
| hartle |
9:13 PM |
#eltchat crisis often quoted whn people don't want to fund smthg in uni, but how grue it is, I don't know |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:13 PM |
@Shaunwilden #ELTchat Less stable work, I think. You have to really go out there and find clients for yourself. |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:13 PM |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat plenty of work and I think more travelling for some between businesses. |
| pysproblem81 |
9:13 PM |
#eltchat @Shaunwilden in UK ESOL context, definitely |
| waykatewit |
9:13 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson Mu school 's in Ukraine, too - lotsa new schools in Kharkov this year :) competition huge #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
9:13 PM |
Wonder if anyone knows if The Olympics will have any effect on numbers coming to UK this summer? #eltchat |
| dropthepencil |
9:12 PM |
@patjack67 I want to ask about a Celtic Tiger death. But I am afraid. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:12 PM |
@hartle And a lack of fund makes your job more difficult i'd expect #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:11 PM |
#eltchat haven't seen much evidence of crisis in university numbers though... Only in funds! |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:11 PM |
#ELTchat What does this mean for trainers? In France, permanent contracts w/ lang schools pretty much non-existant nowadays. |
| Shaunwilden |
9:11 PM |
So is it meaning less work for tchrs? #eltchat |
| waykatewit |
9:11 PM |
in Ukraine more expensive language schools have difficulties enrolling, but cheaper ones R better off #eltchat |
| patjack67 |
9:11 PM |
#eltchat Lots more Irish/UK people doing TEFL courses. In the case of Ireland, many more than before the Celtic Tiger died a death. |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:10 PM |
#ELTchat @Shaunwilden @hartle We're seeing jittery corp clients 1st semester then boom round Sept-Oct |
| pysproblem81 |
9:10 PM |
#eltchat Not new, but in UK unemployed learners often removed from English classes by Job Centre Plus |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:10 PM |
#eltchat In Ukraine we should also have the euro championship yet WE haven't seen a spike in sign up.(or many new schools/ads) |
| steve_muir |
9:09 PM |
@hartle #ELTchat Think that's true in Spain too |
| Shaunwilden |
9:09 PM |
@hartle yes, I would imagine that company courses are being affected everywhere #eltchat |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:09 PM |
#ELTchat Companies, however, are holding off to start training contracts |
| MellynEducation |
9:08 PM |
@Shaunwilden Yep. Too competitive. #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:08 PM |
#eltchat in Italy plenty of single stds but company courses down. |
| MellynEducation |
9:08 PM |
I'm in Canada. I've seen fewer international students, but an increase in immigrants. Maybe a shift in sectors. #ELTchat |
| Wiktor_K |
9:08 PM |
@Shaunwilden @steve_muir True about learning when economy's bad - but how about traveling to learn? Sounds more like a luxury now #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:07 PM |
RT @steve_muir: @Shaunwilden In my centre more students than ever. Not sure how long will last tho' #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:07 PM |
@MellynEducation And Canada is quite a competitive market for that anyway #eltchat |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:07 PM |
@steve_muir: @Shaunwilden That's the case here in France. Ppl not signing up in droves, but we get several recently unemployed #eltchat |
| MellynEducation |
9:07 PM |
@Shaunwilden So they get more qualified Ts for less pay? Not fair. #ELTchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:07 PM |
#eltchat In general our students numbers are down. |
| ljp2010 |
9:07 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson Yes, it's often a case of what is cheapest. #ELTchat |
| dropthepencil |
9:06 PM |
Hi Everyone! #eltchat |
| vmorgana |
9:06 PM |
I think it depends on where you work, I work in state schools, recession means no IWBs and less extra English courses (certificat) #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:06 PM |
#eltchat Some also went to competitors...even those who don't do speaking in class just translating (despite need for speaking) |
| MellynEducation |
9:06 PM |
I'm in Canada. Seen a decline in study vacations I guess. |
| Shaunwilden |
9:06 PM |
@steve_muir Yes i always found that more people took courses when economy was bad #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:06 PM |
#eltchat of course global crisis means people want more qualifications and so do English courses to get better jobs. |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:05 PM |
#eltchat Seams to be the companies have stopped their language training and haven't come back...yet. |
| Shaunwilden |
9:05 PM |
RT @steve_muir: @Shaunwilden People seem to be spending their redundancy money on English classes at the moment......#eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:04 PM |
Government FE cuts means fewer ESOL classes & redundancies also. (@actionforESOL campaign helped tho: http://t.co/VR2HCONv) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:04 PM |
@MellynEducation Hi, welcome to #eltchat |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:04 PM |
On the up side, govt-allocated training $ for the unemployed means lots of unemployed choose English lessons #ELTchat |
| Wiktor_K |
9:04 PM |
#eltchat Recession works for our little school in the UK - fewer students - thank Allah for the sponsored ones. |
| hartle |
9:04 PM |
Hi eveeryone, not sure how much I have to say on this #EltChat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:04 PM |
RT @ljp2010: Pay 4 quality or make do with cheap? #ELTchat i think this has always been the decision where i used to work |
| MellynEducation |
9:04 PM |
Hi all! Newbie to the chat today. Sounds like an interesting topic! #ELTchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:04 PM |
Pay 4 quality or make do with cheap? #ELTchat |
| vmorgana |
9:04 PM |
Hi everybody #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:03 PM |
@RebuffetBroadus falling training prices meaning lessons are cheaper? #eltchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:03 PM |
I'd say student numbers are down, inflation is pretty rampant and there are so many options to choose from. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:03 PM |
@ljp2010 Is it affecting argentina? #eltchat |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:03 PM |
Part of the problem is falling training prices but increasing prices everywhere else. #ELTchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:02 PM |
#ELTchat Not sure how long I can stay or whether I've got anything to say.... but hello! |
| Shaunwilden |
9:02 PM |
So how is the global recession affecting ELT where you are? #eltchat |
| steve_muir |
9:02 PM |
Hello #ELTchat |
| Wiktor_K |
9:01 PM |
#eltchat Good evening all - probably as tired as @sandymillin but looking fwd to some craic 2nite! |
| Shaunwilden |
9:01 PM |
not sure how much i can actually contribute to the topic #eltchat |
| RebuffetBroadus |
9:00 PM |
Let's go #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
9:00 PM |
Sorry. Too tired for #eltchat tonight :( Enjoy! |
| Shaunwilden |
9:00 PM |
Are you all ready? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
8:59 PM |
This evenings #eltchat is How the global recession is affecting/has affected the ELT profession |
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