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How the global recession is affecting has affected the ELT profession

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This is the transcript of the #eltchat held on 11.04.2011 on How the global recession is affecting/has affected the ELT profession

 

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jankenb2 10:03 PM #eltchat Good night all. Thanks.
SueAnnan 10:03 PM Thanks everyone interesting points of view from round the world tonight #ELTchat. Well done Shaun for moderating alone
MrChrisJWilson 10:03 PM #eltchat my biggest concern with the "quality" debate is it usually means available for a few rather than the many. #agreedisagree ?
jankenb2 10:03 PM #eltchat  Quality vs cost: EAP or conversational English? Min readiness to sit for a govt exam or entrance into an Eng. uni? Dif objs & $
RebuffetBroadus 10:03 PM @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan Thanks for agreeing to do that Sue! #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 10:02 PM Thanks for joining everyone see you all next week #eltchat
SueAnnan 10:02 PM @patjack67  Good night #eltchat
patjack67 10:02 PM #eltchat Good night from Dublin. Better do some work!
reasons4 10:02 PM @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan oi that was my school :-) okay you got a point. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 10:02 PM @SueAnnan Oh thanks Sue much appreciated #eltchat
SueAnnan 10:01 PM @Shaunwilden  I'll do it #eltchat
RebuffetBroadus 10:01 PM @terkeurss @patjack67 Agree. In most schools I know, Ts finance their own CPD and take their vacation time to do it too! #ELTchat
SueAnnan 10:01 PM @jankenb2  So do I. I negotiate something that can be identified at the end of the week #ELTchat
patjack67 10:01 PM #eltchat I put my money on quality winning out in the end, but at lower prices for student/lower returns for providers Catch 22?
Shaunwilden 10:00 PM Well we appear to be at the end of the hour, anyone fancy doing the summary? #eltchat
SueAnnan 10:00 PM @RebuffetBroadus  Yes. You're right. Our clients are often businessmen or teachers #ELTchat
terkeurss 9:59 PM @patjack67 It is shocking here in Canada too! No wonder conference attendance is low. CPD is important, but supporting it is also! #eltchat
RebuffetBroadus 9:59 PM @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan Depends on local market maybe. #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:59 PM @Shaunwilden  Yep #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:59 PM @SueAnnan I know horrid aint it #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:59 PM @Shaunwilden  No wonder we  are not taken seriously then #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 9:58 PM @RebuffetBroadus @Shaunwilden @patjack67 the "affordable luxury" but how do you market education like that #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:58 PM @SueAnnan Maybe in Jersey but in Prague for the 15yrs I was there owest price won and that was usually the lowest quality school #eltchat
jankenb2 9:57 PM @MrChrisJWilson @Shaunwilden #eltchat It should. I wouldn't compromise either.
RebuffetBroadus 9:57 PM @MrChrisJWilson @Shaunwilden @patjack67 #ELTchat Maybe. The luxury sector (Chanel, etc) is thriving in the crisis. Just an example
SueAnnan 9:57 PM @Shaunwilden  I disagree, beacuse quality, at the right cost, is still valuable to the discerning #eltchat
jankenb2 9:56 PM @hartle @Shaunwilden @patjack67 #eltchat Interactivity and input is a better benchmark than cost. How informed are ELT Ts on impt of theory?
Shaunwilden 9:56 PM @SueAnnan @MrChrisJWilson I'd say no #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:56 PM @hartle Ta ta see you next week #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:56 PM @MrChrisJWilson  Yes #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 9:56 PM @Shaunwilden @patjack67 But does quality sell during a recession? #eltchat
RebuffetBroadus 9:56 PM @jankenb2 @reasons4 @Shaunwilden #ELTchat Invest in standards = invest in tchr training + decent pay to keep the good tchrs!
hartle 9:55 PM #eltchat it's getting late, I'm afraid, and sleep is calling, not to mention the cat who wants dinner. See you all nextnweek
patjack67 9:55 PM @Shaunwilden £#eltchat Most 'successful' school I know has management in planes all over the world week in week out.
jankenb2 9:55 PM @reasons4 @Shaunwilden #eltchat Sound curriculum is not a text book but a sound framwork of goals and obj. Invest in standards over T manual
hartle 9:54 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @patjack67 #eltchat Stds generally look for low cost and reasonable quality, but can they judge?
Shaunwilden 9:54 PM aarrghhh we're were only 7 minutes from the end, we almost made it thru :-( #eltchat
patjack67 9:53 PM #eltchat I was shocked to hear how much teachers get paid in a leading school in Brighton. No wonder none of them went to #IATEFL last year
RebuffetBroadus 9:53 PM @reasons4 @Shaunwilden Dogme can offer some help in times when schools can't/don't invest in mats! #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:53 PM @patjack67 I just wonder at the end of day how much quality is overlooked for good marketing #eltchat
hartle 9:53 PM RT @jankenb2: @hartle@reasons4 #eltchat It has definitely increased st. Fear and fear is a force for motivation
SueAnnan 9:52 PM @pysproblem81  Yes, but the big wigs don't think #eLTchat
patjack67 9:51 PM @Shaunwilden #eltchat That's what my friends who run the good ones tell me!
SueAnnan 9:51 PM @reasons4  thin ice? #eltchat
terkeurss 9:51 PM @Shaunwilden @patjack67 raise prices and pay Ts much less which means they must hold down more than one job #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:51 PM @jankenb2  I think it has. Certainly for the students I deal with #eltchat
reasons4 9:51 PM @Shaunwilden well I thought that was why this #eltchat was proposed. Recesion means we can't afford coursebooks so T's wing it sorry use D
Shaunwilden 9:51 PM @patjack67 are the ones going out of business, ones that are seen as providing less quality? #eltchat
jankenb2 9:51 PM @hartle@reasons4 #eltchat Well, tech can solve the global crisis too. ;-) But remaining on $ & access, has the crises incr. S motivation?
hartle 9:50 PM RT @waykatewit: #eltchat me tooAll my courses have blended element, really & I find it imperative to do things gradually, a bit at a time
patjack67 9:50 PM #eltchat In Dublin some schools going out of business and some still doing well. More volatile and less forgiving environment?
waykatewit 9:49 PM @hartle @hartle I do. Since everything's so unstable I make every single lesson a micro-course so 2 speak :) :) - #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:49 PM @pysproblem81  sorry. NOW I understand where you're coming from #eltchat
hartle 9:48 PM RT @patjack67: As a matter of interest, is anything getting more expensive in ELT? Anyone? #eltchat good question.
Shaunwilden 9:48 PM @patjack67 i think schools do still raise prices #eltchat
pysproblem81 9:48 PM @SueAnnan classes subsidised - so less funding means fewer classes and longer waiting lists #eltchat
RebuffetBroadus 9:48 PM @patjack67 #ELTchat Being a tchr ;) Many pay for own prof'l dev. training, pay own way to attend conferences, buy own materials, etc.
dropthepencil 9:48 PM Hate to go, friends.  Looking forward to "seeing" you in a few weeks! #eltchat
steve_muir 9:48 PM @patjack67 #eltchat our courses
waykatewit 9:47 PM @hartle great - I have been recently thinking a lot about what turns out 2B called BL! #eltchat
hartle 9:47 PM RT @jankenb2: @Shaunwilden @reasons4 #eltchat as usual I am about 10 tweets behind.... Global crisis, but we always get onto tech :-)
MrChrisJWilson 9:47 PM @patjack67 @Shaunwilden my schools fees #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:47 PM @patjack67  I don't think we have raised our fees in a few years #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:47 PM RT @patjack67: As a matter of interest, is anything getting more expensive in ELT? Anyone? #eltchat
patjack67 9:46 PM As a matter of interest, is anything getting more expensive in ELT? Anyone? #eltchat
hartle 9:46 PM RT @RebuffetBroadus: #ELTchat Effects: growth in tech; fewer long-term contracts; stagnating tchr salaries; corp clients slow to commit to training budget...
hartle 9:46 PM #eltchat in our context lack of conintuity often means lower quality. Teachers don't invest as much with no hope of continued work.
SueAnnan 9:46 PM @pysproblem81  waiting lists for sts? Why don't they employ the teachers then? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:46 PM @jankenb2 Well the discussion a a topic shld be the recession on elt but it from that we've gone off on a tangent :-) #eltchat
pysproblem81 9:45 PM @Shaunwilden in my sector + redundancies & less stability for Ts and less availabilty and longer waiting lists for classes for Sts #eltchat
jankenb2 9:45 PM @Shaunwilden @reasons4 #eltchat as usual I am about 10 tweets behind. What is the current discussion? Tech and EFL or economy?
hartle 9:45 PM RT @MellynEducation: Arrrgh! Hate to go, but must. Hope to connect with you all again! ...#ELTchat nice to hear frm U 2 :-)
hartle 9:45 PM RT @waykatewit: @hartle let's make a joint project then? :) #eltchat Gd idea, here's our latest BL page http://t.co/4PwIdGhq
SueAnnan 9:44 PM @Shaunwilden  OOps #eltchat
dropthepencil 9:44 PM @reasons4 LOL #eltchat
RebuffetBroadus 9:44 PM #ELTchat Effects: growth in tech; fewer long-term contracts; stagnating tchr salaries; corp clients slow to commit to training budget...
Shaunwilden 9:44 PM @reasons4 ok but dont wake the sleeping d word people #eltchat
dropthepencil 9:44 PM RT @waykatewit @jankenb2 Online = the norm next few years. No replace F2F but it will be considered basic to the curriculum. #eltchat
reasons4 9:44 PM “@Shaunwilden: @reasons4 oi thought you couldnt take part tonight ;-) #eltchat†credit where credit's due
jankenb2 9:44 PM @pysproblem81 #eltchat Why tech? B/C we are in the knowledge construction era of learning and tech facilitates +++ than trad. T>S paradigm.
reasons4 9:43 PM “@pysproblem81: #eltchat - love the way teachers turn any discussion into a reason to use #edtech....†either that or #reflectivepractice
waykatewit 9:42 PM RT @jankenb2: #eltchat Online will become the norm in the next few years. It will not replace F2F but it will be considered basic to the curriculum.1 of 2
Shaunwilden 9:42 PM @pysproblem81 Ok so apart from a growth in tech what other effects has the recession had? #eltchat
waykatewit 9:42 PM @jankenb2 @hartle wow great! #eltchat
dropthepencil 9:42 PM @jankenb2 as will I! #eltchat
reasons4 9:42 PM “@pysproblem81: #eltchat - love the way teachers on twitter turn any discussion into a reason to use #edtech....†tweet of the day :-) 10/10
MellynEducation 9:42 PM Arrrgh! Hate to go, but must. Hope to connect with you all again! It was lovely and inspiring.. #ELTchat
RebuffetBroadus 9:41 PM #ELTchat How well do tchr training programs (CELTA/DELTA/Trinity/etc) address tech issues? DO they address them?
Shaunwilden 9:41 PM @pysproblem81 :-) #eltchat
dropthepencil 9:41 PM RT @jankenb2 The speed at which instr design is moving is changing teacher educ entirely. Tech not a tool; it is a literacy. #eltchat
dropthepencil 9:41 PM RT @jankenb2 The speed at which instr design is moving is changing teacher educ entirely. Tech not a tool; it is a literacy. #eltchat
pysproblem81 9:41 PM #eltchat - love the way teachers on twitter turn any discussion into a reason to use #edtech....
dropthepencil 9:40 PM @hartle Yes, that would be lovely! #eltchat
hartle 9:40 PM RT @waykatewit: @hartle sorry for my spelling - hurry to type... #eltchat me too, it's the iphone keyboard :-((
jankenb2 9:40 PM @waykatewit @hartle #eltchat...I'll participate too.
Shaunwilden 9:40 PM @hartle Well at least the people who consult withe me anyway :-) #eltchat
MellynEducation 9:40 PM @teacherphili That's exciting that you'll have ideas, passion AND the knowledge to implement! Kinda jealous :) #ELTchat
jankenb2 9:39 PM #eltchat 2/2 The speed at which instructional design is moving is changing teacher educ entirely. Tech is not a tool; it is a literacy.
waykatewit 9:39 PM @hartle let's make a joint project then? :) #eltchat
hartle 9:39 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @hartle Yes they do but there is a grwoing awareness that they need to invest in it properly #eltchat I hope so, but...
hartle 9:39 PM #eltchat I use blended a lot, and stds who are motivated really benefit.
waykatewit 9:38 PM @hartle sorry for my spelling - hurry to type... #eltchat
teacherphili 9:38 PM @MellynEducation Just got the dissertation to go.  Finish Sep. Lots of ideas for using tech in ELT with a sound pedagogical basis. #eltchat
MellynEducation 9:38 PM @RebuffetBroadus I'm also looking at programs... #ELTchat
RebuffetBroadus 9:38 PM @hartle @pysproblem81 @Shaunwilden #ELTchat That's the prob--when schools don't properly do BE & throw Ss into the virtual learning jungle
SueAnnan 9:38 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @hartle Yes they do but there is a grwoing awareness that they need to invest in it properly #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:38 PM @hartle Yes they do but there is a grwoing awareness that they need to invest in it properly #eltchat
pysproblem81 9:37 PM #eltchat @hartle @RebuffetBroadus @Shaunwilden some will get it right... some will get it very wrong....
hartle 9:37 PM RT @dropthepencil: @hartle Unfortunately, you DO need a bit of paper. :/ #eltchat yes, but I'd like motivated stds too :-)
jankenb2 9:37 PM #eltchat Online will become the norm in the next few years. It will not replace F2F but it will be considered basic to the curriculum.1 of 2
RebuffetBroadus 9:36 PM @teacherphili @MellynEducation @hartle #ELTchat Thinking about doing DELTA mod 3 on tech. Would be irresponsible not to learn some tchr tech
MellynEducation 9:36 PM Also true. RT @dropthepencil: @hartle Unfortunately, you DO need a bit of paper. :/ #ELTchat
waykatewit 9:36 PM @Shaunwilden it;s just I used to have a more romantic attitude to my profession :) hence was my high quality #eltchat
hartle 9:36 PM RT @waykatewit: @hartle which means there is a niche for a cunsulting servise sorting that out for them :) #eltchat absolutely :-)
MellynEducation 9:36 PM @teacherphili Good thinking! When do you finish? #ELTchat
dropthepencil 9:36 PM @hartle Unfortunately, you DO need a bit of paper. :/ #eltchat
hartle 9:35 PM RT @pysproblem81: #eltchat @RebuffetBroadus @Shaunwilden  Many institutions think this, but can be like giving stds a book and no direction
SueAnnan 9:35 PM I do a lot of my own CPD online, but have colleagues who prefer the human touch :-( #ELTchat
MellynEducation 9:35 PM TRUE! RT @hartle: #eltchat global crisis means people inncourses who R not really motivated, justnthink theynneed a bitof paper #ELTchat
teacherphili 9:35 PM @MellynEducation @hartle I'm glad I chose to do a MA this year with an ICT specialism... have learned loads. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:35 PM @waykatewit  am not sure it is a sad, if it leads to proper competition, investment and innovation #eltchat
waykatewit 9:35 PM @hartle which means there is a niche for a cunsulting servise sorting that out for them :) #eltchat
RebuffetBroadus 9:34 PM @pysproblem81 @Shaunwilden #ELTchat I did DELTA mod 1 blended and thought it went very well. Mod 3 probably will too b/c rather autonomous.
SueAnnan 9:34 PM @jankenb2  I agree, but I think you need both rather than 1 or other #ELTchat
hartle 9:34 PM #eltchat global crisis means people inncourses who R not really motivated, justnthink theynneed a bitof paper
MellynEducation 9:34 PM Technology can bring it's own cost of Learning Management Systems, etc. #ELTchat
waykatewit 9:34 PM @Raquel_EFL @SueAnnan @Shaunwilden @hartle yes - and it's sad to face... ;(  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:33 PM @pysproblem81 well from pov which is more training teachers, it's definitely growing #eltchat
MellynEducation 9:33 PM @hartle Good point. There's a lot of tech out there for learning and teaching. #ELTchat
waykatewit 9:33 PM @RebuffetBroadus @hartle absolutely - personally, I'm very positive about the changes - mastering new models... Interesting! #eltchat
pysproblem81 9:32 PM #eltchat @RebuffetBroadus @Shaunwilden  Think blended seen by many as lower cost & is growing (looking at it for DELTA module 3....)
hartle 9:32 PM #eltchat some stds overwhelmed by all materials aailable online. Don'tknow where to start
Shaunwilden 9:32 PM RT @SueAnnan: RT @RebuffetBroadus: #ELTchat Yes, major changes, but tchrs have to learn to adapt and not look for 20th cent. work models in 21st cent.
SueAnnan 9:32 PM RT @RebuffetBroadus: #ELTchat Yes, major changes, but tchrs have to learn to adapt and not look for 20th cent. work models in 21st cent.
Shaunwilden 9:31 PM @Raquel_EFL in the private language sector i'd agree #eltchat
RebuffetBroadus 9:31 PM @waykatewit @hartle #ELTchat Yes, major changes, but tchrs have to learn to adapt and not look for 20th cent. work models in 21st cent.
hartle 9:31 PM @waykatewit #eltchat so education more about guided learning strategies in bornded learning
Shaunwilden 9:30 PM @hartle @jankenb2 Agreed #eltchat
waykatewit 9:29 PM @hartle seems like yes major change - lots of signs of that not only TEFL #ELTchat EG, self-educated people,  free online lesons etc
hartle 9:29 PM RT @jankenb2: @Shaunwilden #eltchat When a hybrid or blended course is designed using sound principles... I agree & so more work for teacher
RebuffetBroadus 9:29 PM @pysproblem81 @Shaunwilden #ELTchat BE can be good if done well. Can't become "multimedia mayhem" as Andrew Wickham said.
SueAnnan 9:28 PM @jankenb2  I think it's as good as.. not better #eltchat
hartle 9:28 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @hartle I dont see it as different from offering free lessons... #eltchat Yes, but I'vr seen complete courses of 60 hours
MellynEducation 9:28 PM But many schools see education as a business and may only look for cheap labour as opposed to qualifications... #ELTchat
jankenb2 9:28 PM @Shaunwilden #eltchat When a hybrid or blended course is designed using sound principles of multimedia, then the course is better than FtF.
Shaunwilden 9:27 PM @MellynEducation What do you not understand? Being self-employed rather than work for a school fulltime#eltchat
SueAnnan 9:27 PM @MellynEducation  The island of Jersey #ELTchat
MellynEducation 9:27 PM @SueAnnan Where are you?  #ELTchat
hartle 9:27 PM #eltchat work conditions reflect our world, gr8ter insecurity, are we going through a time of major change, or is it all orchestrated?
RebuffetBroadus 9:27 PM #ELTchat Tchrs need to become entrepreneurs and market themselves w/ quality, differentiated services to stand out from the crowd
teacherphili 9:27 PM @RebuffetBroadus anecdotal evidence suggests a lot of EFL teachers using the Olympics as project theme for short courses this year #eltchat
MellynEducation 9:27 PM Not sure I understand 'Freelance' teaching. #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:27 PM @pysproblem81 @RebuffetBroadus I dont think it is a question of better or cheaper, it's a different option #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:26 PM @hartle I dont see it as different from offering free lessons, as many do on celta courses #eltchat
pysproblem81 9:26 PM #eltchat @Shaunwilden @RebuffetBroadus do you think it is better for learners, or just cheaper? (genunine Q)
RebuffetBroadus 9:25 PM @hartle #ELTchat I recently interviewed at 4 diff. lang schools--all offered work, but no real contract!
hartle 9:25 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @hartle @RebuffetBroadus @ljp2010 I quite like it as a marketing idea #eltchat yes if it leads on to "real courses"
SueAnnan 9:25 PM WE are so busy that we've employed teachers straight off the cert course I finished 2 weeks ago :-) #ELTchat
MellynEducation 9:25 PM @SueAnnan I had to a bit. Mostly for technology and a bit on adjusting activities. #ELTchat
pysproblem81 9:25 PM #eltchat @SueAnnan yes, that sounds a positive approach - competing with quality...
waykatewit 9:25 PM @Shaunwilden :) competition used 2b less in Ukraine - and still, do not like stuff like groupon #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:24 PM @RebuffetBroadus @pysproblem81 though surely the costs of the teacher dont change much they still have to deal with the blend? #eltchat
hartle 9:24 PM #eltchat in our uni no new full time contracts. Everyone new on fixed term
Shaunwilden 9:24 PM @hartle @RebuffetBroadus @ljp2010 I quite like it as a marketing idea #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:24 PM @MellynEducation  did you retrain? #ELTchat
RebuffetBroadus 9:24 PM @Shaunwilden @pysproblem81 #ELTchat That's what we've done in my co. Gone blended to reduce tchr F2F time (thus budgets)
SueAnnan 9:23 PM @pysproblem81  yes, because there is more investment in the teachers #eltchat
MellynEducation 9:23 PM Online makes sense to me, but required a minor adjustment in teaching 'style' #ELTchat
hartle 9:23 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @RebuffetBroadus @hartle @ljp2010 I've heard of quite a few schools that use it #eltchat good initial publicity, I suppose
pysproblem81 9:23 PM @SueAnnan do you think this is a positive development - are courses better now? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:22 PM @waykatewit Isn't there always huge competition? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:22 PM @pysproblem81 Aha, as sue said different types of courses, differing delivery e.g. blended, online #eltchat
waykatewit 9:22 PM @Shaunwilden exactly, which I don't like - evidence of huge competition and devaluing #ELTchat
hartle 9:21 PM #eltchat in past of course there were cheap magazine courses, that nobody was motivated to do more than 2 episodes of
SueAnnan 9:21 PM @pysproblem81  we offer sports , EAP, ESP, combination courses. Much more than before #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 9:21 PM #eltchat we've had more "Tourist" teachers come through too. In it for a year/two till other work recovers.
pysproblem81 9:21 PM @Shaunwilden think growing trend in FE towards more fixed-term & hourly paid work #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:21 PM @pysproblem81 Sorry phil, lost thread, in what way what? #eltchat
hartle 9:21 PM RT @RebuffetBroadus: @hartle @ljp2010 #ELTchat Really?? Groupon lang courses?? Yes at ridiculous prices... Don't know abt quality
RebuffetBroadus 9:21 PM #ELTchat Diversifying = key to survivial IMHO! Few companies will (or can) pay for only F2F classes.
waykatewit 9:21 PM @Shaunwilden Not sure - I have a lot of private hours but my SS are 1 time a week this year! Devise new teaching styles :) #ELTchat
jankenb2 9:20 PM @Shaunwilden #eltchat Not at my school. The program's mainstay is training Ss to pass the entrance exams for the Eng only universities.
SueAnnan 9:20 PM @RebuffetBroadus  I even saw a CERT course offered on Groupon :-) #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:20 PM @RebuffetBroadus @hartle @ljp2010 I've heard of quite a few schools that use it #eltchat
MellynEducation 9:20 PM @RebuffetBroadus I teach online to remote learners across Canada by contract via gov't. Private sector, EAP is different    #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:20 PM RT @Shaunwilden: I guess the affect on teachers depends on whether they R contracted or freelance #eltchat I find I'm being asked more 4 PT
RebuffetBroadus 9:20 PM @hartle @ljp2010 #ELTchat Really?? Groupon lang courses??
Shaunwilden 9:19 PM @waykatewit groupon options, offering discounts via it I guess? #eltchat
waykatewit 9:19 PM @Shaunwilden #ELTchat yes, some of them do diversify in Kharkov - getting a few there and a few here. + groupon options
dropthepencil 9:18 PM @ljp2010 Get with the trend!  Get with the trend! :) #eltchat
hartle 9:18 PM RT @ljp2010: Do you think online options are ......#ELTchat gd question, & Groupon lang. Courses at cut prices.
vickyloras 9:18 PM @RebuffetBroadus Switzerland - freelance is most common #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:18 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Is the recession leading schools to diversify  the types of courses they offer? #eltchat Yes. I think so
RebuffetBroadus 9:17 PM #ELTchat France: freelance teaching; or continuous contract but paid per hour worked (no fixed, guarantted monthly salary).
ljp2010 9:17 PM @dropthepencil  Well it does if you don't get with the trend and do online courses yourself ;-)  #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:17 PM Is the recession leading schools to diversify  the types of courses they offer? #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:17 PM @steve_muir  Thank you #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:17 PM @Shaunwilden  Thanjks. Shaun. Where we are it has increased  footfall as the Europeans need English to improve job chances #eltchat
waykatewit 9:16 PM @ljp2010 I think so #ELTchat
dropthepencil 9:16 PM @ljp2010 online should still count though.  Doesn't matter if which seat you're in. :) #eltchat
steve_muir 9:16 PM @SueAnnan #eltchat how's the global receccion affecting elt
Shaunwilden 9:16 PM RT @RebuffetBroadus: #ELTchat Quick survey: What country are you teaching in and what is the most common teaching contract/work system?
waykatewit 9:16 PM @MrChrisJWilson Not sure - my school's numbers are stable 400-ish, but we've been in the market for over 14 yrs #eltchat
RebuffetBroadus 9:16 PM #ELTchat Quick survey: What country are you teaching in and what is the most common teaching contract/work system?
Shaunwilden 9:16 PM @SueAnnan Hi Sue How the global recession is affecting/has affected the ELT profession #eltchat
jankenb2 9:15 PM @Shaunwilden #eltchat Turkey has not been affected as hard as the EU so the effect is minimal. But there is an uptick in enrollment in EFL.
MellynEducation 9:15 PM RT @teacherphili: Wonder if anyone knows if The Olympics will have any effect on numbers coming to UK this summer? #ELTchat
ljp2010 9:15 PM Do you think online options are also contributing to less "bums on seats"?  #ELTchat
RebuffetBroadus 9:14 PM @teacherphili #ELTchat Good question there. As in Olympics = huge advert campaign for UK ESOL programs?
hartle 9:14 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @hartle And a lack of fund makes your job more difficult i'd expect #eltchat yes, U fund yr own training etc.
MrChrisJWilson 9:14 PM @waykatewit Makes sense for the Euro's! Are they all filling up or fighting for the same places (Dnipro/we aren't feeling it) #eltchat
steve_muir 9:13 PM @Shaunwilden #eltchat perhaps less well paid work for private or company classes?
hartle 9:13 PM #eltchat crisis often quoted whn people don't want to fund smthg in uni, but how grue it is, I don't know
RebuffetBroadus 9:13 PM @Shaunwilden #ELTchat Less stable work, I think. You have to really go out there and find clients for yourself.
MrChrisJWilson 9:13 PM @Shaunwilden #eltchat plenty of work and I think more travelling for some between businesses.
pysproblem81 9:13 PM #eltchat @Shaunwilden in UK ESOL context, definitely
waykatewit 9:13 PM @MrChrisJWilson Mu school 's in Ukraine, too - lotsa new schools in Kharkov this year :) competition huge #eltchat
teacherphili 9:13 PM Wonder if anyone knows if The Olympics will have any effect on numbers coming to UK this summer? #eltchat
dropthepencil 9:12 PM @patjack67 I want to ask about a Celtic Tiger death.  But I am afraid. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:12 PM @hartle And a lack of fund makes your job more difficult i'd expect #eltchat
hartle 9:11 PM #eltchat haven't seen much evidence of crisis in university numbers though... Only in funds!
RebuffetBroadus 9:11 PM #ELTchat What does this mean for trainers? In France, permanent contracts w/ lang schools pretty much non-existant nowadays.
Shaunwilden 9:11 PM So is it meaning less work for tchrs? #eltchat
waykatewit 9:11 PM in Ukraine more expensive language  schools have difficulties enrolling, but  cheaper ones R better off #eltchat
patjack67 9:11 PM #eltchat Lots more Irish/UK people doing TEFL courses. In the case of Ireland, many more than before the Celtic Tiger died a death.
RebuffetBroadus 9:10 PM #ELTchat @Shaunwilden @hartle We're seeing jittery corp clients 1st semester then boom round Sept-Oct
pysproblem81 9:10 PM #eltchat Not new, but in UK unemployed learners often removed from English classes by Job Centre Plus
MrChrisJWilson 9:10 PM #eltchat In Ukraine we should also have the euro championship yet WE haven't seen a spike in sign up.(or many new schools/ads)
steve_muir 9:09 PM @hartle #ELTchat Think that's true in Spain too
Shaunwilden 9:09 PM @hartle yes,  I would imagine that company courses are being affected everywhere #eltchat
RebuffetBroadus 9:09 PM #ELTchat Companies, however, are holding off to start training contracts
MellynEducation 9:08 PM @Shaunwilden Yep. Too competitive. #ELTchat
hartle 9:08 PM #eltchat in Italy plenty of single stds but company courses down.
MellynEducation 9:08 PM I'm in Canada. I've seen fewer international students, but an increase in immigrants. Maybe a shift in sectors. #ELTchat
Wiktor_K 9:08 PM @Shaunwilden @steve_muir True about learning when economy's bad - but how about traveling to learn? Sounds more like a luxury now #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:07 PM RT @steve_muir: @Shaunwilden In my centre more students than ever. Not sure how long will last tho' #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:07 PM @MellynEducation And Canada is quite a competitive market for that anyway #eltchat
RebuffetBroadus 9:07 PM @steve_muir: @Shaunwilden That's the case here in France. Ppl not signing up in droves, but we get several recently unemployed #eltchat
MellynEducation 9:07 PM @Shaunwilden So they get more qualified Ts for less pay? Not fair. #ELTchat
MrChrisJWilson 9:07 PM #eltchat In general our students numbers are down.
ljp2010 9:07 PM @MrChrisJWilson  Yes, it's often a case of what is cheapest.  #ELTchat
dropthepencil 9:06 PM Hi Everyone! #eltchat
vmorgana 9:06 PM I think it depends on where you work, I work in state schools, recession means no IWBs and less extra English courses (certificat) #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 9:06 PM #eltchat Some also went to competitors...even those who don't do speaking in class just translating (despite need for speaking)
MellynEducation 9:06 PM I'm in Canada. Seen a decline in study vacations I guess.
Shaunwilden 9:06 PM @steve_muir Yes i always found that more people took courses when economy was bad #eltchat
hartle 9:06 PM #eltchat of course global crisis means people want more qualifications and so do English courses to get better jobs.
MrChrisJWilson 9:05 PM #eltchat Seams to be the companies have stopped their language training and haven't come back...yet.
Shaunwilden 9:05 PM RT @steve_muir: @Shaunwilden People seem to be spending their redundancy money on English classes at the moment......#eltchat
pysproblem81 9:04 PM Government FE cuts means fewer ESOL classes & redundancies also. (@actionforESOL campaign helped tho: http://t.co/VR2HCONv) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:04 PM @MellynEducation Hi, welcome to #eltchat
RebuffetBroadus 9:04 PM On the up side, govt-allocated training $ for the unemployed means lots of unemployed choose English lessons #ELTchat
Wiktor_K 9:04 PM #eltchat Recession works for our little school in the UK - fewer students - thank Allah for the sponsored ones.
hartle 9:04 PM Hi eveeryone, not sure how much I have to say on this #EltChat
Shaunwilden 9:04 PM RT @ljp2010: Pay 4 quality or make do with cheap?  #ELTchat i think this has always been the decision where i used to work
MellynEducation 9:04 PM Hi all! Newbie to the chat today. Sounds like an interesting topic! #ELTchat
ljp2010 9:04 PM Pay 4 quality or make do with cheap?  #ELTchat
vmorgana 9:04 PM Hi everybody #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:03 PM @RebuffetBroadus falling training prices meaning lessons are cheaper? #eltchat
ljp2010 9:03 PM I'd say student numbers are down, inflation is pretty rampant and there are so many options to choose from.  #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:03 PM @ljp2010 Is it affecting argentina? #eltchat
RebuffetBroadus 9:03 PM Part of the problem is falling training prices but increasing prices everywhere else. #ELTchat
ljp2010 9:02 PM #ELTchat  Not sure how long I can stay or whether I've got anything to say.... but hello!
Shaunwilden 9:02 PM So how is the global recession affecting ELT where you are? #eltchat
steve_muir 9:02 PM Hello #ELTchat
Wiktor_K 9:01 PM #eltchat Good evening all - probably as tired as @sandymillin but looking fwd to some craic 2nite!
Shaunwilden 9:01 PM not sure how much i can actually contribute to the topic #eltchat
RebuffetBroadus 9:00 PM Let's go #ELTchat
sandymillin 9:00 PM Sorry. Too tired for #eltchat tonight :( Enjoy!
Shaunwilden 9:00 PM Are you all ready? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 8:59 PM This evenings #eltchat is How the global recession is affecting/has affected the ELT profession

 

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