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shaznosel
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4/4/2012
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11:59 PM
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@Marisa_C totally! Into the teaching for the love of it, never the money!!#eltchat
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SueAnnan
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4/4/2012
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11:00 PM
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#ELTchat evening everyone
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:01 PM
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How many for #ELtchat pls? Roll call :-D
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dropthepencil
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4/4/2012
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11:01 PM
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Ready, set, go. :) #eltchat
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dalecoulter
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4/4/2012
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11:01 PM
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What is the topic of discussion tonight? #eltchat
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SueAnnan
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4/4/2012
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11:01 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Welcome all to #ELtchat for the next hour my tweets dedicated to discussing how to deal with directives we don't agree with
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:01 PM
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Welcome all to #ELtchat for the next hour my tweets dedicated to discussing how to deal with directives we don't agree with
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purple_steph
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4/4/2012
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11:02 PM
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#ELtchat Count me in.
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:02 PM
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Any other moderators here? #eltchat - my fingers cannot fly fast enough but I'll try!
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steve_muir
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4/4/2012
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11:02 PM
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Hello everyone #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:03 PM
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@rliberni Phew thanks Berni lovely! #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:03 PM
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@ManosSY counted! #ELTchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:03 PM
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@Marisa_C I'm here but with very slow connection and a teenage b'day party I'll try my best!! #eltchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:03 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Welcome all to #ELtchat for the next hour my tweets dedicated to discussing how to deal with directives we don't agree with
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shaznosel
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4/4/2012
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11:03 PM
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@dropthepencil Run, run, run #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:03 PM
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@SueAnnan @esolcourses #ELtchat@purple_steph #eltchat@shaznosel #ELtchat@steve_muir #eltchat #ELTchat welcome welcome
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:04 PM
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@sandymillin Hey great can you help pls? #eltchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:04 PM
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@Marisa_C i'm here #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:04 PM
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RT @SueAnnan: RT @Marisa_C: Welcome all to #ELtchat for the next hour my tweets dedicated to discussing how to deal with directives we don't agree with
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DinaDobrou
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4/4/2012
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11:05 PM
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Hi all. I'm here too! And we have a newcomer: @iliana_nt #ELTchat
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eannegrenoble
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4/4/2012
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11:05 PM
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Coucou - I'm half here - for dealing with directives we don't agree with #ELTchat gd to see you all - intersting topic
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:05 PM
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@EileeMur Hi there remember the #ELtchat hashtag after every tweet
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:05 PM
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#ELTchat btw before we start http://t.co/Fal5elJd inaccessible today - really worried
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SueAnnan
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4/4/2012
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11:06 PM
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@esolcourses and me. It worked fine #eltchat
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dalecoulter
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4/4/2012
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11:06 PM
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@SueAnnan hello, have you had a nice day? #eltchat
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dropthepencil
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4/4/2012
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11:06 PM
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@Marisa_C @eileemur - or use tweetchat. Found it easier. #eltchat
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SueAnnan
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4/4/2012
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11:06 PM
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@eannegrenoble Ca va? #ELTchat
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dropthepencil
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4/4/2012
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11:06 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: #ELtchat for the next hour my tweets dedicated to discussing how to deal with directives we dont agree with #eltchat
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dropthepencil
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4/4/2012
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11:07 PM
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@nlomax Welcome! #eltchat
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shaznosel
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4/4/2012
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11:07 PM
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@DinaDobrou Hi sweetie - missed you all for a while due to IATEFL etc - whose our new one??#eltchat
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dalecoulter
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4/4/2012
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11:07 PM
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@SueAnnan lovely, last day of work before easter, we celebrated with pizza and ice cream : ) #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:07 PM
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RT @dropthepencil: @Marisa_C @eileemur - or use tweetchat. Found it easier. #eltchat
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eannegrenoble
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4/4/2012
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11:07 PM
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@SueAnnan yeah - I'm acting director of our dept at the moment - tough #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:07 PM
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RT @esolcourses: @Marisa_C http://t.co/C5aqw3sU seems to be working ok for me - blip? #eltchat
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SueAnnan
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4/4/2012
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11:07 PM
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@dalecoulter Yes thanks. You? #eltchat
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nlomax
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4/4/2012
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11:07 PM
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First time I have joined in with an #ELTchat - what's the topic today?
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purple_steph
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4/4/2012
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11:08 PM
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#eltchat My 1st eltchat, are there rules /etiquette?
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dalecoulter
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4/4/2012
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11:08 PM
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So what sort of directives have people disagreed with in their ELT careers? #eltchat
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nlomax
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4/4/2012
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11:08 PM
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@Marisa_C Hi, I find the lack of any institutional directives more of a challenge where I work! #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:08 PM
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@steve_muir @esolcourses great thanks - relief! Phew! I thought we'd lost all our stuff!!! #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:09 PM
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@purple_steph It's a free for all but be nice and don't kick anyone in their virtual shins :-D #eltchat
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esolcourses
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4/4/2012
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11:09 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: So how many of you have issues with directives you don't agree with? #ELTchat Please raise your hand ] hand is up :-)
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:09 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: So how many of you have issues with directives you don't agree with? #ELTchat Please raise your hand
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:09 PM
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@purple_steph just tweet on the topic that's all really ;-) #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:09 PM
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So how many of you have issues with directives you don't agree with? #ELTchat Please raise your hand
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DinaDobrou
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4/4/2012
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11:09 PM
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@shaznosel She's @iliana_nt #ELTchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:10 PM
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RT @nlomax: @dalecoulter disagreed with too many institutional directives to list - the main problem is lack of focus on st needs #eltchat
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vmorgana
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4/4/2012
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11:10 PM
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Hi everybody! #ELTchat
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nlomax
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4/4/2012
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11:10 PM
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@dalecoulter disagreed with too many institutional directives to list - the main problem is lack of focus on st needs #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:10 PM
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@esolcourses Can you tell us more Sue? What stuff is at issue with you? #ELTchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:10 PM
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RT @purple_steph: There's rules and rules. School policy / necessary to comply with visa regs /etc #eltchat
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shaznosel
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4/4/2012
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11:10 PM
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@dalecoulter @SueAnnan sounds yummy! we ll have our easter party on fri..#eltchat
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dropthepencil
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4/4/2012
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11:10 PM
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@dalecoulter we're grappling with standardization right now vs academic freedom. #eltchat
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purple_steph
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4/4/2012
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11:10 PM
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There's rules and rules. School policy / necessary to comply with visa regs /etc #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:11 PM
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@DaveDodgson Hey was looking for you! #ELTchat
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purple_steph
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4/4/2012
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11:11 PM
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Occasional issues. But colleagues have had different ones - everyone thinks they're right. #eltchat
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:11 PM
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@Marisa_C Right here - just got on a roll study wise & thought it better to wait for a natural break ;) #ELTchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:11 PM
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How much input do you have into rules and regs? #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:11 PM
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Good to see lots of newbies on #eltchat - we're here to help if you need us!
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dalecoulter
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4/4/2012
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11:11 PM
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any directive that puts bums on seats over pedagogy gets on my nerves #eltchat
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EduRogue
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4/4/2012
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11:11 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: So how many of you have issues with directives you don't agree with? #ELTchat Please raise your hand
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:11 PM
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@steve_muir Same question as for Sue - do we agree to let a few people tell their 'story'? #ELtchat
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dalecoulter
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4/4/2012
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11:11 PM
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@nlomax being from the unplugged crowd, I have troubles coming to terms with the 'start at page 1 and go from there' directive #eltchat
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dropthepencil
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4/4/2012
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11:11 PM
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@dalecoulter we're actually the ones being "disagreed with" due to standardization, so this will be interesting. #eltchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:12 PM
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#eltchat @dalecoulter Ultimately the school has to have students or we have no job, however much we value pedagogy
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:12 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: @steve_muir Same question as for Sue - do we agree to let a few people tell their 'story'? #ELtchat Yes pls :-)
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:12 PM
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RT @dalecoulter: any directive that puts bums on seats over pedagogy gets on my nerves #eltchat > it's always abt bums on seats
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:12 PM
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@dalecoulter Spoken like a true non-management person! #ELTchat
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:13 PM
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Strange thing in my school - I'm left to my own devices a lot & told I do a great job but then they come to observe/inspect.... #ELTchat
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purple_steph
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4/4/2012
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11:13 PM
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RT @sandymillin: #eltchat @dalecoulter Ultimately the school has to have students or we have no job, however much we value pedagogy
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dropthepencil
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4/4/2012
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11:13 PM
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@purple_steph But I AM right, right? #eltchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:13 PM
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@Marisa_C that's the plan :) #eltchat
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EileeMur
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4/4/2012
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11:13 PM
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@dalecoulter @nlomax First time #ELTchat and all going v fast - yes, agree!
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:13 PM
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@sandymillin spoken like a future manager - watch that girl #eltchat
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dalecoulter
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4/4/2012
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11:13 PM
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@Marisa_C is there an institution in the world where there it doesn't? #eltchat
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:13 PM
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@Marisa_C @dalecoulter Bums on seat AND moeny out of pockets #ELTchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:14 PM
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@dalecoulter think we need to do what feels right for us, but be willing to compromise with the school if there is communication #eltchat
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dalecoulter
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4/4/2012
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11:14 PM
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@sandymillin says the future director to the futureέΑο. who knows #eltchat
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steve_muir
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4/4/2012
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11:14 PM
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@Marisa_C for certain levels, yes! #eltchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:14 PM
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RT @dalecoulter: @sandymillin I agree, Sandy, but where do we draw the line? #eltchat <one of the key questions.
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:14 PM
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@DaveDodgson need to remember that owners have different priorities perhaps but ss will walk if they don't get what they want #eltchat
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dalecoulter
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4/4/2012
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11:14 PM
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@sandymillin I agree, Sandy, but where do we draw the line? #eltchat
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:14 PM
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...and then I get 'what's going on here then?' #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:14 PM
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@DaveDodgson ...and? #ELTchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:14 PM
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@EileeMur try using http://t.co/BgweWRx1 to follow the stream - makes it a bit easier to deal with #ELTchat
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:14 PM
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@Marisa_C @sandymillin Hehehe, give us a job when you make it Sandy!! #eltchat
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:15 PM
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@dalecoulter Me - I do it all the time but on the sly ;) #ELTchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:15 PM
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@theteacherjames yes but it's rarely that simple #eltchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:15 PM
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@theteacherjames @dalecoulter in an ideal world word of mouth would be enough. but SS have to be invested in the pedagogy too #eltchat
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dalecoulter
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4/4/2012
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11:15 PM
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RT @theteacherjames: @sandymillin Surely the best marketing policy is to have happy satisfied sts who spread the word? Yep #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:15 PM
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RT @dalecoulter: How many people have directly gone against directives to meet the needs and wants of their students? #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:15 PM
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RT @theteacherjames: @dalecoulter @sandymillin Surely the best marketing policy is to have happy satisfied sts who spread the word? #eltchat
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SueAnnan
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4/4/2012
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11:15 PM
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I think there always needs to be dialogue #ELTchat
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eannegrenoble
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4/4/2012
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11:15 PM
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RT @purple_steph: Occasional issues. But colleagues have had different ones - everyone thinks they're right. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:15 PM
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It's remarkable tho that often it's ppl who are not educators who run schools #ELTchat
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purple_steph
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4/4/2012
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11:15 PM
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@dropthepencil Yes and so am I. :-) #eltchat
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dalecoulter
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4/4/2012
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11:15 PM
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How many people have directly gone against directives to meet the needs and wants of their students? #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:15 PM
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@dalecoulter @sandymillin Surely the best marketing policy is to have happy satisfied sts who spread the word? #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:15 PM
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@dalecoulter if managers have knowledge of teaching then they should understand? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:16 PM
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or sth like that #ELTchat - Remember it's the client too - the misinformed parent or adult is also to blame for poor quality service
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:16 PM
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RT @rliberni: @dalecoulter if managers have knowledge of teaching then they should understand? #eltchat <should help
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:16 PM
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RT @DaveDodgson: @dalecoulter Me - I do it all the time but on the sly ;) #ELTchat I used to do this too! - best way :-)
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steve_muir
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4/4/2012
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11:16 PM
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@Marisa_C And the people who want to get out of teaching! #eltchat
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shaznosel
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4/4/2012
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11:16 PM
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@Marisa_C With you! Numbers makes money - who cares how or what we teach?? so how do we overcome this attitude? #eltchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:16 PM
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#eltchat you might need a lot of learner training to teach the students that what they want is what's good for them too!
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:16 PM
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@dalecoulter I think a lot of teachers go underground and go agaisnt directives - until they get caught by some silly parent #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:16 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: RT @dalecoulter: How many people have directly gone against directives to meet the needs and wants of their students? #eltchat
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iliana_nt
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4/4/2012
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11:17 PM
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RT @shaznosel: @Marisa_C With you! Numbers makes money - who cares how or what we teach?? so how do we overcome this attitude? #eltchat
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dalecoulter
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4/4/2012
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11:17 PM
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@EdPegg good pedagogy = bums on seats, see where we find ourselveS? #eltchat
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dropthepencil
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4/4/2012
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11:17 PM
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@Marisa_C done so multiple times. Requirement, as directives cannot direct the needs of the individual - only the many. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:17 PM
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RT @steve_muir: @Marisa_C And the people who want to get out of teaching! #eltchat > true! like some on this timeline :-D te he he
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:17 PM
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@Marisa_C @dalecoulter ..or some silly DoS/HoD..... #ELTchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:17 PM
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@shaznosel I don't think that is true of all school owners and managers #eltchat
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EdPegg
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4/4/2012
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11:17 PM
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@dalecoulter no bums on seats no need for pedegogy #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:17 PM
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@sandymillin @dalecoulter @rliberni As it always is with these things, it's about balance. #eltchat
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dalecoulter
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4/4/2012
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11:17 PM
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@sandymillin @rliberni out here in the field (i.e. outside of England) a lot of managers have little or no knowledge #eltchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:17 PM
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@dalecoulter never without consulting management first #eltchat <we rewrote a teen syllabus together as book wasn't right for them
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eannegrenoble
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4/4/2012
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11:18 PM
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RT @eannegrenoble: I think "directives" depend on the type of institution (state school - language school ...#ELTchat
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purple_steph
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4/4/2012
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11:18 PM
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RT @dalecoulter: @EdPegg good pedagogy = bums on seats, see where we find ourselveS? #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:18 PM
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@dalecoulter Me, kinda. Broke the (ridiculous) rules, but don't think they were that bothered. #eltchat
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dalecoulter
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4/4/2012
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11:18 PM
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@rliberni reason or appease them? #eltchat
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nlomax
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4/4/2012
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11:18 PM
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Is there any dirtective other than making money? #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:18 PM
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@dalecoulter tricky if it's their business then I guess they call the shots - can you reason with them? #eltchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:18 PM
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RT @theteacherjames: @sandymillin @dalecoulter @rliberni As it always is with these things, it's about balance. #eltchat <seconded
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:18 PM
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@dalecoulter lack of teaching experience can be a problem. our manager was school secretary before she bought school #eltchat
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EdPegg
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4/4/2012
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11:19 PM
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@dalecoulter sorry dale but in my experience clients don't know or really care what pedegogy is #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:19 PM
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RT @sandymillin: How many of your teachers/you have some say in directives at your school? Are they always enforced from above? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:19 PM
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Blogged abt aspect of tonight's #Eltchat thinking it was only abt Greece - read comments and see how widespread http://t.co/YvTHYfum
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dalecoulter
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4/4/2012
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11:19 PM
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my current institution gives me no directive I disagree with, I consider myself extremely lucky #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:19 PM
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@dalecoulter depends on the relationship or how they see it #eltchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:19 PM
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How many of your teachers/you have some say in directives at your school? Are they always enforced from above? #eltchat
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nlomax
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4/4/2012
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11:19 PM
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'teachers are two a penny' and 'anyone with a pulse will do' are 2 quotes from management at my place #eltchat
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Eslkazzyb
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4/4/2012
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11:19 PM
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Free Critical Thinking Lesson by @lclandfield http://t.co/mj9RtLpK #eltchat #criticalthinking #esl #ellchat #twinglish
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dalecoulter
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4/4/2012
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11:20 PM
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@EdPegg does good pedagogy lead to mre learning?If you cn let parents see that then they appreciate it. Speak to thm on their level #eltchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:20 PM
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@DaveDodgson how much is that enforced? #ELTchat
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:20 PM
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RUles are one thing but then there are the directives like 'contribute to the materials bank' - difficult when you don't use any! #ELTchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:20 PM
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RT @EdPegg: @dalecoulter sorry dale but in my experience clients don't know or really care what pedegogy is #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:20 PM
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@shaznosel here too but that doesn't necessarily make it all bad #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:20 PM
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@EdPegg agree they don\t #eltchat
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:21 PM
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RT @sandymillin: How many of you have some say in directives at your school? Are they always enforced from above? #eltchat #ELTchat
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vickyloras
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4/4/2012
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11:21 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Blogged abt aspect of tonight's #Eltchat thinking it was only abt Greece - read comments and see how widespread http://t.co/YvTHYfum
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esolcourses
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4/4/2012
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11:22 PM
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@Marisa_C sorry that last tweet took so long... tweetdeck crashed and died on me! #ELTChat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:22 PM
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@DaveDodgson it's a little worrying that that's the only way they can tell you're doing work! #ELTchat
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iliana_nt
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4/4/2012
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11:22 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Blogged abt aspect of tonight's #Eltchat thinking it was only abt Greece - read comments and see how widespread http://t.co/YvTHYfum
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esolcourses
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4/4/2012
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11:22 PM
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@Marisa_C well... being asked to deliver courses with insufficient hours allocated to do a decent job of it, would be one example #ELTChat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:22 PM
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@shaznosel yes why are u so behind - and you didn't do ALL the exercises on p 34 blahblal #eltchat
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:22 PM
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@sandymillin We have 'office hours' & the materials are used as a sign that we actually did something other than drink tea! #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:23 PM
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@esolcourses i meant no worries #ELTChat
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:23 PM
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#ELTchat
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:23 PM
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@sandymillin It's also because nobody can be bothered to actually come and see what we are doing... #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:23 PM
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@esolcourses no worried - this is often the case with ESP work - that's another issue - do you yield to get the job who can u blame #ELTChat
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shaznosel
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4/4/2012
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11:23 PM
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@rliberni not at all - there are a few who care but we are trying to cope with that divide - the boss/parents V T 's views!#eltchat
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:23 PM
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@sandymillin It took a lot of persuading but they now accept 'lesson outlines' as an alternative to worksheets #ELTchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:24 PM
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RT @dalecoulter: Setting tests that make you teach to the test is a directive that worries me #negativebackwash #eltchat
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shaznosel
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4/4/2012
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11:24 PM
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@Marisa_C I had a huge prob with this today - why don't you tel him to do chpt 7 + 8 over Easter..alone!!!! #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:24 PM
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RT @dalecoulter: Setting tests that make you teach to the test is a directive that worries me #negativebackwash #eltchat > yes
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dalecoulter
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4/4/2012
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11:24 PM
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RT @purple_steph: #eltchat Sometimes have 2 distinguish btwn 'flavour of the month' directives & 'do this or we die' directives - expressed in same language.
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:24 PM
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@purple_steph ahh - I know - I hear about those all the time #eltchat
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dalecoulter
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4/4/2012
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11:24 PM
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Setting tests that make you teach to the test is a directive that worries me #negativebackwash #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:24 PM
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RT @purple_steph: #eltchat Sometimes have 2 distinguish btwn 'flavour of the month' directives & 'do this or we die' directives - expressed in same language.
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EdPegg
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4/4/2012
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11:24 PM
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@dalecoulter ok but there are many other client types. The corporate market cares toffee for pedegogy. Talking about it rocks boats #eltchat
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purple_steph
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4/4/2012
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11:24 PM
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#eltchat Sometimes have 2 distinguish btwn 'flavour of the month' directives & 'do this or we die' directives - expressed in same language.
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:25 PM
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@dalecoulter And then throwing 2 different prep books & a stack of past papers at you! #ELTchat
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dalecoulter
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4/4/2012
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11:25 PM
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@rliberni goes beyond just our discpline, in fact I'd say ELT is slightly sheltered from it #eltchat
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shaznosel
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4/4/2012
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11:25 PM
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RT @purple_steph: #eltchat Sometimes have 2 distinguish btwn 'flavour of the month' directives & 'do this or we die' directives - expressed in same language.
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:25 PM
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@DaveDodgson much better! #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:25 PM
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@shaznosel oh lovely! we can tell mr krashen a thing or two here - !!!! #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:25 PM
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@dalecoulter but that counts for much of edu nowadays state & private I think #eltchat
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esolcourses
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4/4/2012
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11:25 PM
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@Marisa_C personally I would say no and walk away in that situation, but a lot of people aren't in a position to #ELTChat
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dalecoulter
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4/4/2012
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11:25 PM
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@EdPegg I'm sorry, I have little experience of the corporate market. All YLs and GE for me. #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:25 PM
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@dalecoulter asked a good Q: How far do we go? How much should we compromise? Do you have professional standards you can't breach? #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:26 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Just as the publishers pander to poorly trained teachers so do schools pander to uninformed clients - cynical bt true #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:26 PM
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Just as the publishers pander to poorly trained teachers so do schools pander to uninformed clients - cynical bt true #eltchat
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:26 PM
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@shaznosel @purple_steph 'Flavour of the month' directives are easier to ignore as they are quickly forgotten #ELTchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:26 PM
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@dalecoulter yes tho in state is very exam oriented now I think it's to do with accountability #eltchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:26 PM
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@dalecoulter we did it the other way round - taught, then created tests (1 in Jan, 1 in June), but still not great! #eltchat
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dalecoulter
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4/4/2012
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11:26 PM
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@DaveDodgson plus the three student resource books #eltchat
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esolcourses
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4/4/2012
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11:26 PM
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RT @dalecoulter: any directive that puts bums on seats over pedagogy gets on my nerves #eltchat
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:27 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Just as the publishers pander to poorly trained teachers so do schools pander to uninformed clients #eltchat #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:27 PM
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But the question is WHY doesn't the school wish to inform the client about pedagogy? #eLTchat is it because some DOSes in the dark?
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purple_steph
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4/4/2012
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11:27 PM
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@theteacherjames @dalecoulter At what point after starting a teaching career do you know what your professional standards are? #eltchat
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dropthepencil
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4/4/2012
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11:27 PM
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@purple_steph true many places :(. If we don't try something, we won't know if they work. Some movement = better than stagnancy. #eltchat
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shaznosel
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4/4/2012
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11:27 PM
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#eltchat I feel like an actress - what I do in my classroom may not be what I tell my boss or parents - improvise and lie!! #eltchat
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shaznosel
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4/4/2012
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11:28 PM
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@Marisa_C Exactly - Mr K was out of touch with teen exam classes and demanding parents - bless him! #eltchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:28 PM
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@Marisa_C DOSes in dark: quite possibly. also informing about pedagogy can take time/money which some feel they don't have/need2do #eLTchat
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:28 PM
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@dalecoulter Wise words. #joysofbeingfreelance #eltchat
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DinaDobrou
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4/4/2012
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11:28 PM
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@DaveDodgson @dalecoulter And testfeeding sts! Spooky! #ELTchat
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EileeMur
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4/4/2012
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11:28 PM
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@Marisa_C Just read your blogpost v quickly. Laughed out loud at the SO + paperwork bit! Exact same in my last school! #ELTchat
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SueAnnan
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4/4/2012
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11:28 PM
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RT @sandymillin: it's possible that yr professional standards cont 2 evolve as U learn more abt teaching in diff contexts #eltchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:28 PM
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@purple_steph it's possible that your professional standards continue to evolve as you learn more about teaching in diff contexts #eltchat
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:29 PM
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@dalecoulter ..why I'm not using the past papers or prep book - in the same week as well! #ELTchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:29 PM
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RT @muranava: hmm maybe am lucky but not had to suffer any 'directives'...is that different from policies? #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:29 PM
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@purple_steph @dalecoulter Good question. I suppose that depends on the person. Some T very quickly, some never! #eltchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:29 PM
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#eltchat Suspect some places work on the basis that if no-one has complained, no need to change anything. It is like it always has been...
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cioccas
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4/4/2012
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11:29 PM
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RT @dalecoulter any directive that puts bums on seats over pedagogy gets on my nerves #eltchat < Hear, hear!!
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:29 PM
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@dalecoulter I'm now in a situation where I've been praised for my workshop on materials light exam prep AND called in to explain.. #ELTchat
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muranava
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4/4/2012
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11:29 PM
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hmm maybe am lucky but not had to suffer any 'directives'...is that different from policies? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:30 PM
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@EileeMur yes! #ELTchat it's a hoot isn't it what passes for quality teaching ISO!!!!
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esolcourses
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4/4/2012
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11:30 PM
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@dalecoulter "bums on seats" issue is big part of problem in UK - provision is driven by funding and/or Government whim; not demand #ELTChat
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EileeMur
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4/4/2012
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11:30 PM
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@sandymillin yes, and that any feedback is 'complaining' #ELTchat
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purple_steph
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4/4/2012
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11:30 PM
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@sandymillin I think so too. Been teaching 2 years, all in same college. Don't know how general my experiences are. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:30 PM
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In my locale I have smsts been asked to give talks to parents to support good pedagogy the school has chosen #ELtchat but not that much :-(
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:30 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Just as the publishers pander to poorly trained teachers so do schools pander to uninformed clients - cynical bt true #eltchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:31 PM
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RT @shaznosel: @purple_steph plus as you understand the ind SS' needs - so much 2juggle - no wonder most of us need a glass of red! #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:31 PM
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@esolcourses true & have to account 4 every penny (in theory) so restricting #eltchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:32 PM
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So apart from directives about teaching style what other directives do you have to deal with? #eltchat
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jankenb2
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4/4/2012
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11:32 PM
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#eltchat Hmmm..cn restructuring curriculum B2 accommodate both fixed concepts and leave % open 4 professional input- local, site or teacher?
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:32 PM
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Gonna read last 30mn of #ELTCHAT and try to catch up.
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EileeMur
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4/4/2012
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11:32 PM
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@Marisa_C yes, like the right colour pen to fill in forms with, oh dear! #ELTchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:33 PM
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@rliberni @eileemur one of the wider problems with human society today - the desire to measure everything #eltchat
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shaznosel
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4/4/2012
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11:33 PM
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@sandymillin #eltchat -oops!
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:33 PM
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Ooo! Nice #ELTCHAT topic. I've had to accept directives in language assessment that I definitely don't agree with.
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:33 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: But let's put our thinking caps on - do you think there is something we can do? #eltchat
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shaznosel
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4/4/2012
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11:33 PM
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@Marisa_C Due to Mod 3 lurking, I suugested a questionnaire for parents - what do they expect from us?#eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:33 PM
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But let's put our thinking caps on - do you think there is something we can do? #eltchat
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dalecoulter
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4/4/2012
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11:33 PM
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what's the biggest thing you've conceded to directives? #eltchat
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esolcourses
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4/4/2012
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11:34 PM
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RT @rliberni: true & have to account 4 every penny (in theory) so restricting #eltchat ] yep. And never enough cash, either!
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:34 PM
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@DaveDodgson do directives help with discipline issues sometimes? as inexperienced YL T, sometimes chain of command useful there! #ELTchat
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:34 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: But let's put our thinking caps on - do you think there is something we can do? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:34 PM
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@shaznosel Shaz mentioned questionnaires to parent - could that work in some situations? Generate thinking abt best practices? #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:34 PM
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@Marisa_C If the boss is a manager & you are the technician then maybe you can fall back on expertise? #eltchat
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dalecoulter
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4/4/2012
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11:34 PM
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@esolcourses very good point, Sue #eltchat
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purple_steph
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4/4/2012
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11:34 PM
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@sandymillin #eltchat paperwork, cleanliness in staffroom, paperwork, health & safety and paperwork.
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:34 PM
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RT @sandymillin: So apart from directives about teaching style what other directives do you have to deal with? #eltchat
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esolcourses
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4/4/2012
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11:34 PM
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@dalecoulter can often be a mis-match between courses on offer & what learners want/need, resulting in a 'poor fit' for s's #ELTChat
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:34 PM
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@sandymillin Using prescribed materials; producing worksheets; discipline issues... #ELTchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:35 PM
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RT @DaveDodgson: @Marisa_C Try to state your case.... and be very patient/ prepared to repeat yourself #ELTchat
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:35 PM
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@Marisa_C Try to state your case.... and be very patient/ prepared to repeat yourself #ELTchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:35 PM
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@esolcourses yet a lot of wastage too I think #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:35 PM
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@Marisa_C Go off piste, under the radar, off the beaten track. Cover the bare minimum we're expected & then do our thing. #eltchat
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:35 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: or sth like that #ELTchat - Remember it's the client too - the misinformed parent or adult is also to blame for poor quality service
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:36 PM
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@Marisa_C Exactly, get it out of the way however we can & then get on with the real business. #eltchat
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:36 PM
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@sandymillin The directives usually curtail what we can do (e.g. don't send students out of class or call parents) #ELTchat
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shaznosel
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4/4/2012
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11:36 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat I was thinking - naughtily - persuasive questions - would u liKe your child to communicate or pass an exam????!#ELTCHAT
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:36 PM
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@Marisa_C @shaznosel how many responses did you get to your questionnaire? problem w/ things like that can be lack of response #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:36 PM
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RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C And adapt, change & warp the things we're supposed to do to meet better aims. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:36 PM
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@theteacherjames I like that idea - cover the exercises in 10 mins give them the key to check in another 5 - prizes and then TEACH! #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:36 PM
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@Marisa_C And adapt, change & warp the things we're supposed to do to meet better aims. #eltchat
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esolcourses
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4/4/2012
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11:37 PM
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RT @rliberni: yet a lot of wastage too I think #eltchat ] absolutely! Can lead to penny pinching when money is spent on wrong things, IME
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:37 PM
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@DaveDodgson right. and is it common practice to different schools or just for yours? #ELTchat
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:37 PM
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RT @sandymillin: @rliberni @eileemur one of the wider problems with human society today - the desire to measure everything #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:38 PM
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@sandymillin @Marisa_C @shaznosel But if they don't respond, how can they complain? You gave them the chance, they didn't take it. #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:38 PM
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RT @esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: But let's put our thinking caps on - do you think there is something we can do? #eltchat ] individually? Or as a united front?
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shaznosel
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4/4/2012
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11:38 PM
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@sandymillin @Marisa_C I ll distribute it after Easter, as I say, I want to make it rather persuasive..ha ! ha! #eltchat
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:38 PM
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RT @DaveDodgson: RT @Marisa_C: But let's put our thinking caps on - do you think there is something we can do? #eltchat
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esolcourses
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4/4/2012
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11:38 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: But let's put our thinking caps on - do you think there is something we can do? #eltchat ] individually? Or as a united front?
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:38 PM
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@esolcourses endemic in pub sector I think #eltchat
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:38 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: @EileeMur yes! #ELTchat it's a hoot isn't it what passes for quality teaching ISO!!!!
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nlomax
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4/4/2012
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11:38 PM
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No syllabus, no observations, no PD. The only thing that seems to matter is percentages on a spreadsheet. Depressed. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:38 PM
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Does 'covering' pages in your institution mean doing them as per book? Dry boring etc? #eltchat or is there freedom re this?
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:38 PM
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How much do these issues affect learners are the outcomes still good? #eltchat
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:39 PM
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@DaveDodgson @marisa_c Maybe teachers can hold their own internal workshops to help with directives. #ELTCHAT
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:39 PM
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@DaveDodgson :) not much inter-school sharing then? #ELTchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:39 PM
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@theteacherjames @Marisa_C @shaznosel fair enough #eltchat
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:39 PM
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@sandymillin I'd have to work at another school to answer that! #ELTchat
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:39 PM
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RT @EileeMur: @theteacherjames @Marisa_C Yes, that's a good way to follow directives and teach something! #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:39 PM
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@esolcourses what about industry standards BC? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:39 PM
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@esolcourses I don't know - if u start a movement you know I'm in!!!! #eltchat
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purple_steph
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4/4/2012
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11:39 PM
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#eltchat Try to see a reason behind it. Encourage colleagues not to create bad atmosphere (was a problem a few months ago)
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DinaDobrou
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4/4/2012
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11:40 PM
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RT @bethcagnol: @DaveDodgson @marisa_c Maybe teachers can hold their own internal workshops to help with directives. #ELTCHAT
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esolcourses
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4/4/2012
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11:40 PM
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@Marisa_C to effect change, I think there needs to be a united front. Otherwise things just get passed along the chain #eltchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:40 PM
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@theteacherjames @Marisa_C and had to do 2+ every week as sharing class with another teacher. standard syllabus for each level #eltchat
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:40 PM
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@sandymillin ... but there is a bit of a 'sweep in under the carpet' approach in general #ELTchat
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shaznosel
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4/4/2012
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11:40 PM
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@Marisa_C every page - every exercise - that's why we need to educate parents and then the school owner can realx too -plus us/ss! #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:40 PM
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RT @bethcagnol: @DaveDodgson @marisa_c Maybe teachers can hold their own internal workshops to help with directives. #ELTCHAT
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:40 PM
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@theteacherjames @Marisa_C though that only works if you're given little enough work. i've had to cover 3 pages in 90 mins before #eltchat
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:41 PM
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@esolcourses @marisa_c What was is Sue? #ELTCHAT
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nlomax
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4/4/2012
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11:41 PM
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have tried to organise group planning sessions and contributed a lot of ideas but no reciprocation forthcoming re course planning #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:41 PM
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Competition is key in business maybe the best schools will win? #eltchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:41 PM
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@Marisa_C at my old school there was freedom to cover pages as you liked, as long as you covered all of the info on them #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:41 PM
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@bethcagnol @DaveDodgson #ELTCHAT nice idea - like today may be a start of some meetings, a conference perhaps! Confs sound more important
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:41 PM
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RT @rliberni: How much do these issues affect learners are the outcomes still good? #eltchat <often they don't know what's under surface
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esolcourses
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4/4/2012
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11:41 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: @esolcourses I don't know - if u start a movement you know I'm in!!!! #eltchat ] started one years ago, but no-one joined ;-)
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:42 PM
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@Marisa_C money is also a factor what are ss prepared to pay and that can have an impact #eltchat
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vickyloras
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4/4/2012
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11:42 PM
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With you,girl! RT @Marisa_C Let's have a world congress against shoddy practices in ELT - online!!! #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:42 PM
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@theteacherjames lol that is sly and cunning #eltchat
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:42 PM
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@rliberni Yes, but the businesses have to be well informed about quality and in France, they're not. #ELTCHAT
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:42 PM
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@nlomax think it's time to try and find a job at another school. also, you're in the right place for lots of PD! #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:42 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Let's have a world congress against shoddy practices in ELT - online!!! #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:42 PM
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Let's have a world congress against shoddy practices in ELT - online!!! #ELTchat
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:42 PM
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@bethcagnol We've had discussion sessions & surveys for our voices to be heard but very little action taken afterwards... #ELTchat
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esolcourses
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4/4/2012
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11:43 PM
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@bethcagnol @marisa_c LOL! Was being tongue in cheek. When asked to do things I consider "not best practice", I walk away :-) #ELTChat
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DinaDobrou
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4/4/2012
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11:43 PM
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RT @vickyloras: With you,girl! RT @Marisa_C Let's have a world congress against shoddy practices in ELT - online!!! #ELTchat
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jankenb2
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4/4/2012
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11:43 PM
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@rliberni #eltchat Is it fair 2B evaluated on short-term student outcomes but told to strive 4 long-term in order 4 deep learning to occur?
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:43 PM
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@Raquel_EFL @bethcagnol All - I think the more informed we are the more empowered we get to deal with bosses #ELTCHAT
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:43 PM
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@Marisa_C Well I've never done it myself, but if things were that bad, I would! #eltchat
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:43 PM
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@vickyloras @marisa_c Great idea, but have to be careful when institutions get named. #ELTCHAT
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:43 PM
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@rliberni They don't know what quality instruction means. #ELTCHAT
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DinaDobrou
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4/4/2012
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11:43 PM
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@DaveDodgson @bethcagnol I've been there too...#ELTchat
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EileeMur
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4/4/2012
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11:44 PM
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@nlomax I can really empathise with that. In my case I think was too new at the time - still have hopes of trying again #ELTchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:44 PM
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#eltchat for state school teachers directives could be coming from government as well, not just school management
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:44 PM
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@esolcourses @marisa_c Ah ok. I do to (walk away). #ELTCHAT
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:44 PM
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@bethcagnol oh i didn't mean an OUTING conference - but a professional one to set best practices for SCHOOLS!!!!! #ELTCHAT
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:44 PM
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@bethcagnol sometimes money is the bottom line and quality isn't a factor - need standards there #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:44 PM
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@Raquel_EFL @Marisa_C Try and avoid your manager as much as possible for a start! #eltchat
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:44 PM
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@Marisa_C @raquel_efl Agreed. Information is power. It is out job to inform the higher ups. #ELTCHAT
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shaznosel
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4/4/2012
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11:44 PM
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@rliberni @bethcagnol @DaveDodgson @marisa_c #eltchat - I wish! Here, tchrs ae not encouraged to communicate and express opinions
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:45 PM
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RT @esolcourses: RT @rliberni: @esolcourses what about industry standards BC? #eltchat ] who polices them, though?
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:45 PM
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@DaveDodgson Sure makes life easier! #ELTchat
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esolcourses
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4/4/2012
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11:45 PM
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RT @rliberni: @esolcourses what about industry standards BC? #eltchat ] who polices them, though?
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:45 PM
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@rliberni Yup. We're workin' that (the standards). But what's hard is getting companies to listen. #ELTCHAT
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:45 PM
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@theteacherjames LOL - that's the best way! #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:45 PM
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@sandymillin true - they can only strike - if they cared (here they don't) #eltchat
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:45 PM
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RT @theteacherjames: @Raquel_EFL @Marisa_C Try and avoid your manager as much as possible for a start! #eltchat
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DinaDobrou
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4/4/2012
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11:45 PM
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RT @theteacherjames: @Raquel_EFL @Marisa_C Try and avoid your manager as much as possible for a start! #eltchat > LOL
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DinaDobrou
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4/4/2012
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11:46 PM
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@rliberni Which reminds me...isn't learning somtims a bit random & incidental? 1 institution has standards,another no. If sts move? #ELTchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:46 PM
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@Marisa_C and strikes have pretty low success rates as far as I can tell #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:46 PM
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@Marisa_C I agree I really feel that we have to deal with the status of teachers generally this is part of the problem #eltchat
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:47 PM
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@Marisa_C @esolcourses @rliberni @esolcourses Almost think it should be a wiki. Just so it can be adapted to difference contexts. #ELTCHAT
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esolcourses
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4/4/2012
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11:47 PM
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RT @rliberni @Marisa_C I agree I really feel that we have to deal with the status of teachers generally ... part of the problem #eltchat
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inglishteacher
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4/4/2012
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11:47 PM
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Pictures of Everyday - The Digital Dogme Classroom #1 http://t.co/JQmBeqTa #ELTbites #Dogme #ELTchat
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:47 PM
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@Marisa_C Serious point: if we want to be taken seriously as a profession, we need standards. Can't let pencil pushers set them. #ELTchat
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sandymillin
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4/4/2012
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11:47 PM
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RT @bethcagnol: @rliberni They don't know what quality instruction means. #ELTCHAT < or what it costs!
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:47 PM
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@Marisa_C BC here depends on the organisation I guess #eltchat
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:47 PM
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@Marisa_C @esolcourses @rliberni @esolcourses Industry standards is a super sticky subject because ea country is so different. #ELTCHAT
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:47 PM
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I haven't had to yield to directives for a long time - but what i recall is PERSISTING! I was one pest of a teacher trainer ! #ELTchat took
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:48 PM
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@bethcagnol many managers not teachers and many don't have english that's hot enough to read pedagogy #ELTCHAT
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:48 PM
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@Raquel_EFL Ooo! Can you email me your slides or send me an article on your talk? #ELTCHAT
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:48 PM
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@bethcagnol sounds like a nice idea - but the question is who would read it - it should be several in LOCAL langs #ELTCHAT
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:48 PM
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RT @sandymillin: RT @bethcagnol: @rliberni They don't know what quality instruction means. #ELTCHAT < or what it costs!
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:49 PM
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There should be LOCAL projects of teams of teachers writinng in the local language #ELTchat - wikis blogs etc
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:49 PM
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There should be LOCAL projects of teams of teachers writinng in the local language #ELTchat - wikis blogs etc
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esolcourses
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4/4/2012
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11:49 PM
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@bethcagnol @rliberni @Marisa_C great idea, but still need to have some way of dealing with issues that arise #ELTChat
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SueAnnan
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4/4/2012
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11:50 PM
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@bethcagnol Tefl the non-stick qualification? #ELTCHAT
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:50 PM
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@Raquel_EFL I know but I mean they should be promoted and made accessible to schools and parents #ELTchat #breltchat
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:50 PM
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@Raquel_EFL Great! Thanks! #ELTCHAT
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:50 PM
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Why don't schools allow individual 'directives' to be negotiated by each teacher/class & the top brass? Set your own standards! #ELTchat
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EileeMur
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4/4/2012
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11:50 PM
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@bethcagnol @Raquel_EFL Yes, sounds brill :) #ELTchat
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EileeMur
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4/4/2012
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11:50 PM
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@bethcagnol @Raquel_EFL Yes, sounds brill :) #ELTchat
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:50 PM
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@Marisa_C Exactly. That's why it's a super sticky subject. #ELTCHAT
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:50 PM
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@Marisa_C Exactly. That's why it's a super sticky subject. #ELTCHAT
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:50 PM
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@bethcagnol @Marisa_C @esolcourses @rliberni But as teachers we need to set our own standards & make bosses understand them. #ELTCHAT
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:50 PM
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@bethcagnol @Marisa_C @esolcourses @rliberni But as teachers we need to set our own standards & make bosses understand them. #ELTCHAT
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:51 PM
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@theteacherjames @marisa_c @esolcourses @rliberni Ah..."make bosses understand them." That's a tall order. #ELTCHAT
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DinaDobrou
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4/4/2012
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11:51 PM
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@DaveDodgson How would you do that in a group of 300 schools in 3 diff. countries? It's abt putting ur trust in 2many Ts...#ELTchat
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:51 PM
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@theteacherjames Just what I was tweeting! ;) #ELTchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:51 PM
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@theteacherjames to an extent but bosses have their own agenda - I think status would help this #eltchat
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esolcourses
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4/4/2012
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11:51 PM
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RT @theteacherjames: @bethcagnol @Marisa_C @rliberni as teachers we need to set our own standards & make bosses understand them. #ELTCHAT
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:51 PM
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@vickyloras Hi Vicky! Yes!! See you in a week!!! #ELTCHAT hug coming your way my dear!!
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:52 PM
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@DinaDobrou Do it on a school by school basis - each teacher sets standards with their own HoD/ DoS #ELTchat
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:52 PM
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@rliberni Indeed, but I think it should be part of our increasing professionalism. Ethics, ideas, standards. Lofty ideas, I know... #eltchat
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esolcourses
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4/4/2012
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11:52 PM
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@theteacherjames agree, but what do we do if they choose to ignore them? That's the rub, I think @bethcagnol @Marisa_C @rliberni #ELTCHAT
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muranava
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4/4/2012
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11:52 PM
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RT @SueAnnan: @bethcagnol Tefl the non-stick qualification? hehe #eltchat
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DaveDodgson
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4/4/2012
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11:52 PM
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RT @theteacherjames: @bethcagnol @Marisa_C @esolcourses @rliberni we need to set our own standards & make bosses understand #ELTCHAT
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:53 PM
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RT @theteacherjames: @bethcagnol @marisa_c @esolcourses @rliberni If we aim for the stars we might reach the sky! #ELTCHAT
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purple_steph
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4/4/2012
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11:53 PM
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@DaveDodgson @theteacherjames @bethcagnol @Marisa_C @esolcourses @rliberni Could always set up your own school... #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:53 PM
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RT @theteacherjames: @bethcagnol @marisa_c @esolcourses @rliberni If we aim for the stars we might reach the sky! #ELTCHAT
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:53 PM
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@bethcagnol @marisa_c @esolcourses @rliberni If we aim for the stars we might reach the sky! #ELTCHAT
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:53 PM
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RT @DaveDodgson: @DinaDobrou Do it on a school by school basis - each teacher sets standards with their own HoD/ DoS #ELTchat
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jankenb2
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4/4/2012
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11:53 PM
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@rliberni @Marisa_C #eltchat teacher training is key If teacher is trained the pub. manual is a flexible resource, if not its inviolable law
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:54 PM
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@esolcourses @bethcagnol @Marisa_C @rliberni It's tough, no doubt, but serious professions have them & I'm a serious professional! #ELTCHAT
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:54 PM
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@purple_steph true and many Ts do out of frustration but not all Ts cut out for this #eltchat
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shaznosel
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4/4/2012
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11:54 PM
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@DaveDodgson Because they are afraid of change/taking risks..exactly what we want our learners to do!! stuck in a time-warp!#eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:55 PM
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@theteacherjames good lord James - u took the words right out of my mout #eltchat
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shaznosel
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4/4/2012
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11:55 PM
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@purple_steph @DaveDodgson @theteacherjames @bethcagnol @Marisa_C @esolcourses @rliberni not easy in Greece if you are not Greek!!#eltchat
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:55 PM
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@purple_steph @DaveDodgson @bethcagnol @Marisa_C @esolcourses @rliberni Sure, let's set one up together! PLN International! #eltchat
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iliana_nt
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4/4/2012
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11:55 PM
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@DaveDodgson @DinaDobrou so,it also depends on the quality of the DOS #eltchat
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shaznosel
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4/4/2012
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11:56 PM
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@bethcagnol @theteacherjames @marisa_c @esolcourses @rliberni #eltchat - exactly! We do things in the 'dark'!!!
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esolcourses
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4/4/2012
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11:56 PM
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RT @bethcagnol: @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C @rliberni ..." I'm a serious professional!" #ELTCHAT >> agreed!! Let'em have it James!! :)
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:56 PM
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RT @purple_steph: @Marisa_C Wonder how many that do suddenly see another point of view. #eltchat > many do
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EileeMur
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4/4/2012
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11:56 PM
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@jankenb2 So true re trainig! When Ts are not sure of themselves the manual is the 'law', if mgmt don't know much more = bad combo #ELTchat
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:56 PM
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@theteacherjames: @esolcourses @Marisa_C @rliberni ..." I'm a serious professional!" #ELTCHAT >> agreed!! Let'em have it James!! :)
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purple_steph
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4/4/2012
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11:56 PM
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@Marisa_C Wonder how many that do suddenly see another point of view. #eltchat
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jankenb2
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4/4/2012
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11:57 PM
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@theteacherjames @rliberni #eltchat. Not lofty- necessary 2 est learning process over knowledge accumulation.We teach how to learn-not what.
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esolcourses
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4/4/2012
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11:57 PM
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RT @theteacherjames @bethcagnol @Marisa_C @rliberni To be fair, I'm a self-employed freelancer so it's easy for me to say! #ELTCHAT ] ditto
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:57 PM
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@esolcourses @bethcagnol @Marisa_C @rliberni To be fair, I'm a self-employed freelancer so it's easy for me to say! #ELTCHAT
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esolcourses
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4/4/2012
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11:58 PM
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@theteacherjames @bethcagnol @Marisa_C @rliberni most salaried teachers don't have the same freedom to say no or haggle :-( #ELTChat
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:58 PM
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@sandymillin @SueAnnan thanks girls! #ELTCHAT
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:58 PM
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@bethcagnol lovely - wish you every success Beth #ELTCHAT
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iliana_nt
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4/4/2012
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11:58 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: I don''t think that if any of u decided to be ur own & other ppls' bosses u would turn into a money making machine #eltchat
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SueAnnan
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4/4/2012
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11:58 PM
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@bethcagnol Good luck Bethany #ELTCHAT
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bethcagnol
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4/4/2012
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11:58 PM
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Have enjoyed this #ELTCHAT but gonna turn it. Got a singing exam tomorrow at the conservatory. Need to rest the vocal chords.
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:58 PM
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I don''t think that if any of u decided to be ur own & other ppls' bosses u would turn into a money making machine #eltchat
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BobToms100
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4/4/2012
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11:59 PM
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RT @ianaddison: Not Google tool, but looks cool http://t.co/ByriMPGn make ur own bingo cards - phonics? maths? >>languages #ELTChat #mfl
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:59 PM
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@theteacherjames I agree maybe grassroots is the way #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/4/2012
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11:59 PM
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OK - I have a Question just before the end - can you guess????????????????? #eltchat
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jankenb2
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4/4/2012
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11:59 PM
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@Marisa_C @theteacherjames #eltchat...teach inquiry or problem based learning, argumentation, strategy, metacognition? All w/novel lang? OK!
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DinaDobrou
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4/4/2012
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11:59 PM
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@bethcagnol Good luck Bethany! :) #ELTchat
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rliberni
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4/4/2012
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11:59 PM
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@bethcagnol Hope it goes well! #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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4/4/2012
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11:59 PM
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@rliberni But I think we can do a lot to improve our status by setting higher standards for ourselves. It's got to start somewhere! #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/5/2012
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12:00 AM
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@purple_steph great - come back hope you enjoyed your first #eltchat
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purple_steph
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4/5/2012
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12:00 AM
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#eltchat I've got to go too. It's been great -but next time I'll have to use my laptop not my phone!
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esolcourses
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4/5/2012
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12:01 AM
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RT @theteacherjames: @bethcagnol @Marisa_C @rliberni Hence the disclosure! But I think we can all help raise standards. #eltchat ] agree
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Marisa_C
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4/5/2012
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12:01 AM
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@RakeshBhanot1 Aww!!! Devastated you did not make it #ELTchat!
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leoselivan
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4/5/2012
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12:01 AM
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hi everyone! oh no I missed it :( how was it? #eltchat
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DaveDodgson
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4/5/2012
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12:01 AM
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Thanks for the discussion. Time for me to get some beauty sleep :) #ELTchat
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theteacherjames
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4/5/2012
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12:01 AM
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@rliberni can't see where else it will come from, to be honest. #eltchat
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shaznosel
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4/5/2012
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12:01 AM
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@Marisa_C Who will write the summary??#ELTCHAT
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theteacherjames
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4/5/2012
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12:01 AM
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@esolcourses @bethcagnol @Marisa_C @rliberni Hence the disclosure! But I think we can all help raise standards. #eltchat
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bethcagnol
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4/5/2012
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12:01 AM
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@esolcourses @steve_muir @rliberni Thanks guys!! Mi mi mi mi miiiii! #ELTCHAT
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ELTchat
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4/5/2012
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12:01 AM
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RT @Marisa_C: OK - I have a Question just before the end - can you guess????????????????? #eltchat
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EileeMur
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4/5/2012
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12:01 AM
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Thanks all - v interesting first #ELTchat :) It flew by, whew! <waves bye>
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simfin
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4/5/2012
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12:02 AM
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@izzyfinch RT @BobToms100: RT @ianaddison: http://t.co/20vJGu5j make ur own bingo cards - #ELTChat #mfl
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Marisa_C
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4/5/2012
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12:02 AM
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Summary please? who is kind enough not to disappear and offer? #eltchat
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SueAnnan
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4/5/2012
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12:02 AM
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Bye everyone. Have a lovely Easter.#ELTchat
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CELT_Athens
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4/5/2012
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12:02 AM
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RT @ELTchat: RT @Marisa_C: OK - I have a Question just before the end - can you guess????????????????? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/5/2012
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12:03 AM
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@theteacherjames Never!!! #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/5/2012
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12:03 AM
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@Marisa_C who posted the topic? #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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4/5/2012
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12:03 AM
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@Marisa_C :) You can be DoS, just don't make me use a coursebook! #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/5/2012
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12:03 AM
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@theteacherjames not sure why it's always been the way I think it's again to do with money diff to earn high as a teacher #eltchat
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sandymillin
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4/5/2012
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12:04 AM
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#infiniteeltideas is starting an advertising theme for April. First one is here: http://t.co/KpMIqh3i How would you use it? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/5/2012
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12:04 AM
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@rliberni @DaveDodgson who has just announced sth abt his beauty sleep - oh well.... #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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4/5/2012
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12:04 AM
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@Marisa_C :) #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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4/5/2012
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12:05 AM
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@EileeMur Hope you enjoyed it, it's great fun once you get used to it, & a real shot of energy & inspiration! #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/5/2012
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12:05 AM
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@theteacherjames I got a cb for my last std we finished it in 2 weeks cos we didn't want to do most of it!! #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/5/2012
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12:05 AM
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Any volunteers for the summary writing pls? #ELTchat
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shaznosel
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4/5/2012
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12:06 AM
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sorry but too much Easter homework...parents demands... night all! glad to express thoughts on this subject!#eltchat
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Marisa_C
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4/5/2012
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12:06 AM
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@iliana_nt Thanks for joining and hope you enjoyed your first chat #eltchat
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iliana_nt
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4/5/2012
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12:06 AM
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thank you very much! It was very interesting! hope to see u soon!#eltchat
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steve_muir
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4/5/2012
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12:06 AM
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Twitter being very slow for me tonight. Been about 8 tweets behind the #eltchat. TY to moderators and g'night everyone
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theteacherjames
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4/5/2012
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12:07 AM
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@rliberni Say. No. More! #eltchat
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rliberni
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4/5/2012
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12:07 AM
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@iliana_nt hello and welcome to #eltchat glad you enjoyed it!
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theteacherjames
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4/5/2012
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12:07 AM
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@elawassell You'll get used to it, it takes time. Don't be shy to ask for help! #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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4/5/2012
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12:07 AM
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@elawassell go to http://t.co/HbR43Ikw and find #ELTchat there
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iliana_nt
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4/5/2012
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12:08 AM
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@Marisa_C Really did! #eltchat
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