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teacherphili
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28/3/2012
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1:53 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: @jimscriv is our guest moderator today on #ELTchat !!!! We are thrilled to be discussing demand-high teaching with him! Join us in 9 mins!!
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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1:53 P.M.
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#ELTchat IMPORTANT!!!!!!! 1) @jimscriv is going to start the discussion with a few tweets including the main points of his talk/idea
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esolcourses
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28/3/2012
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1:54 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat IMPORTANT!!!!!!! 2) Please wait till @jimscriv finishes his introduction to topic before you start tweeting madly
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bamarcia
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28/3/2012
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1:54 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat IMPORTANT! 1) @jimscriv is going to start the discussion with a few tweets including the main points of his talk/idea
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esolcourses
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28/3/2012
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1:54 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat IMPORTANT! @jimscriv is going to start the discussion with a few tweets including the main points of his talk/idea
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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1:54 P.M.
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#ELTchat IMPORTANT!!!!!!! 2) Please wait till @jimscriv finishes his introduction to topic before you start tweeting madly
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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1:54 P.M.
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6 minutes to #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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1:54 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat IMPORTANT!!!!!!! 1) @jimscriv is going to start the discussion with a few tweets including the main points of his talk/idea
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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1:54 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: @jimscriv is our guest moderator today on #ELTchat !!!! We are thrilled to be discussing demand-high teaching with him! Join us in 9 mins!!
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ElkySmith
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28/3/2012
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1:55 P.M.
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RT @Shaunwilden: special treat on #ELTChat Jim Scrivener is our guest! Join us in 20min! Plz Rt! Demand-high teaching: how to foster it?
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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1:55 P.M.
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#ELTchat IMPORTANT!!!!!!! 3) Then you can attack @jimscriv with any questions you like but be nice, he's not a regular on #ELTchat
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bamarcia
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28/3/2012
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1:55 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat IMPORTANT!!!!!!! 2) Please wait till @jimscriv finishes his introduction to topic before you start tweeting madly
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iHiND82
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28/3/2012
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1:56 P.M.
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@Marisa_C 2 PM Kuwait #eltchat
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touqo
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28/3/2012
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1:56 P.M.
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@Marisa_C can you let us know when the intro is finished? #eltchat
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esolcourses
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28/3/2012
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1:56 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat IMPORTANT! 3) Then you can attack @jimscriv with any questions you like but be nice, he's not a regular on #ELTchat
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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1:56 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat IMPORTANT!!!!!!! 3) Then you can attack @jimscriv with any questions you like but be nice, he's not a regular on #ELTchat
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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1:56 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat IMPORTANT!!!!!!! 2) Please wait till @jimscriv finishes his introduction to topic before you start tweeting madly
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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1:56 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat IMPORTANT!!!!!!! 1) @jimscriv is going to start the discussion with a few tweets including the main points of his talk/idea
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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1:56 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat IMPORTANT!!!!!!! 3) Then you can attack @jimscriv with any questions you like but be nice, he's not a regular on #ELTchat
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TeachEslToday
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28/3/2012
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1:57 P.M.
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GOOD TEACHERS!! Solve this problem!! Your students are working in pairs over a project when...http://goo.gl/d8s66 #eltchat #esl #teaching
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LukeMeddings
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28/3/2012
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1:57 P.M.
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RT @theteacherjames: Some required reading by @jemjemgardner before today's #eltchat with @jimscriv : http://t.co/nPSFtj4g
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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1:57 P.M.
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@touqo I will if I can guess #eltchat
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teacherphili
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28/3/2012
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1:57 P.M.
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Hi! this is my first time on #eltchat following meeting the team at #iatefl I also met @jimscriv on a number of occasions there
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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1:58 P.M.
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@teacherphili Hi Phil, welcome! :) #eltchat
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fionamau
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28/3/2012
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1:58 P.M.
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@teacherphili #eltchat Hold onto your hat, in that case, and get your fingers poised... it can get hectic but it's great!
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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1:58 P.M.
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@LukeMeddings Are you going to be around for #eltchat today? I'd imagine you'd have some very interesting questions for Jim.
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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1:58 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Taps virtual twitter microphone and mumbles "testing testing" #eltchat
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iHiND82
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28/3/2012
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1:58 P.M.
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@jimscriv what's ur topic !? #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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1:58 P.M.
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Taps virtual twitter microphone and mumbles "testing testing" #eltchat
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bamarcia
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28/3/2012
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1:58 P.M.
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RT @theteacherjames: Some required reading by @jemjemgardner before today's #eltchat w/ @jimscriv : http://t.co/nPSFtj4ghttp://bit.ly/HkQUTz
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eltbakery
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28/3/2012
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1:58 P.M.
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@teacherphili Great you're joining #ELTChat for the first time! Welcome!
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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1:59 P.M.
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@jimscriv Hi Jim! #eltchat
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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1:59 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: For the next hour my tweets are dedicated to #ELTchat with guest mod reknown ELT author Jim Scrivener @jimscriv on twitter pls RT
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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1:59 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat IMPORTANT!!!!!!! 3) Then you can attack @jimscriv with any questions you like but be nice, he's not a regular on #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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1:59 P.M.
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For the next hour my tweets are dedicated to #ELTchat with guest mod reknown ELT author Jim Scrivener @jimscriv on twitter pls RT
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:00 P.M.
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I'm in a hotel in Philadelphia and the wifi seems a bit wobbly, so forgive me if I suddenly disappear! #eltchat
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:00 P.M.
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#eltchat Hi Jim
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:00 P.M.
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@jimscriv Welcome to #eltchat Mr S :-) So thrilled you have agreed to join us for this highly interesting topic
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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2:00 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Taps virtual twitter microphone and mumbles "testing testing" #eltchat
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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2:00 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Apparently today's #eltchat is likely to be on Demand-High ELT. It starts at 12 GMT (=1PM UK) (=8AM Philadelphia!). Join in!!
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:00 P.M.
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Hello #eltchat world!
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:01 P.M.
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Hello all and esp @jimscriv #eltchat
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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2:01 P.M.
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RT @esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat IMPORTANT!!!!!!! 2) Please wait till @jimscriv finishes his introduction to topic before you start tweeting madly
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:02 P.M.
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Communicative techniques used ritualistically as if we've forgotten purposes eg put sts in grps; sts talk; T stops moves on. Why? #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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2:02 P.M.
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@teacherphili Welcome aboard! Glad you chose to join us. Drop me a line if you need a hand. #eltchat #iatefl
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:02 P.M.
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The argument for Demand-High ELT is that most teaching nowadays seems to have become fun & friendly but largely unchallenging. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:02 P.M.
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@jimscriv Please do and give me a sign when your introduction is over #eltchat
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fionamau
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28/3/2012
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2:02 P.M.
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@jimscriv #eltchat Hi there! Am going to try to lurk, join in and meet a writing deadline all at the same time...here's hoping
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:03 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Coursebooks are very good nowadays. But that means that they do the teaching. #eltchat
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iHiND82
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28/3/2012
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2:03 P.M.
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RT @theteacherjames: Some required reading by @jemjemgardner before today's #eltchat with @jimscriv : http://t.co/nPSFtj4g
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:03 P.M.
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We lack the real training in facilitation skills to work with ALL sts in class, to get real interaction going. #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:03 P.M.
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RT @yearinthelifeof: Can we get a summary for those who don't know what we're talking about? #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:03 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Contemporary Ts seem to avoid "hands on" work on language. #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:03 P.M.
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Ts, especially recently trained, defer to book and become just classroom managers. #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:03 P.M.
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Coursebooks are very good nowadays. But that means that they do the teaching. #eltchat
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yearinthelifeof
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28/3/2012
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2:03 P.M.
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Can we get a summary for those who don't know what we're talking about? #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:03 P.M.
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Contemporary Ts seem to avoid "hands on" work on language. #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:03 P.M.
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For the next hr my tweets dedicated to #ELTChat w/ guest @jimscriv Topic: Demand High Teaching: How to Foster It #IATEFL
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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2:04 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: But Demand-High isn't a negative argument. It's a positive assertion that it's ok to "teach". #eltchat
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teacherphili
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28/3/2012
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2:04 P.M.
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@theteacherjames thanks, i've put my essay to one side for an hour... tweeting from Uni of Warwick Library #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:04 P.M.
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That a small shift in attitude - towards higher expectations - can make an astonishing difference to the quality of classroom life. #eltchat
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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2:04 P.M.
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@jimscriv Hi, Jim #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:04 P.M.
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That there are some great techniques we can use to get closer to where the learning is going on. #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:04 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: We lack the real training in facilitation skills to work with ALL sts in class, to get real interaction going. #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:04 P.M.
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But Demand-High isn't a negative argument. It's a positive assertion that it's ok to "teach". #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:04 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Ts, especially recently trained, defer to book and become just classroom managers. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:05 P.M.
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@jimscriv Great thanks and good your have ended with a question - #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:05 P.M.
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That's the intro! #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:05 P.M.
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Mainly: Is where we are really where we want to be? Or have we just ended up here somehow? #eltchat
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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2:05 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: We lack the real training in facilitation skills to work with ALL sts in class, to get real interaction going. #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:05 P.M.
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It is quite deliberately provocative and openly a campaign of sorts to try and get some discussion going #eltchat
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:06 P.M.
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#eltchat Hope it isn't 'most' ts working in unchallenging way- but certainly is something I see in inservice trainees too often #eltchat
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RchTodaysLrnr
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28/3/2012
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2:06 P.M.
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T's have to be willing to go to bat for their kids and, sometimes, even defy the administration where I am for hands on learning #eltchat
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louisealix68
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28/3/2012
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2:06 P.M.
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Sounds like "we" want a return to old-school, grammar school style teaching? #eltchat
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fionamau
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28/3/2012
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2:06 P.M.
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@jimscriv #eltchat I think if u'r starting frm EFL or frm mainstream school ELT, 2 get 2 the same place, u'r starting frm v different places
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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2:06 P.M.
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For the next hour will be my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTChat w/ guest @jimscriv
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:06 P.M.
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May I ask everyone who has follow @jimscriv 's introduction to say if this is how they also see themselves? As demand-low teachers? #ELTchat
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teflgeek
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28/3/2012
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2:06 P.M.
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deliberately provocative? not half! #eltchat (Hi all!)
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:06 P.M.
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I get the feeling that we have drifted into a sort of dead-end #eltchat
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michaelegriffin
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28/3/2012
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2:07 P.M.
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@yearinthelifeof here are some useful links 1) http://t.co/EENX4yrv 2) http://t.co/oGboWoeW 3) http://t.co/ACuxyQWr #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:07 P.M.
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@jimscriv so are u saying Ts are paying lip service to techniques and are just going thru the motions but not really teaching #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:07 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Everyone means well but somehow we have lost touch with where the learning is going on #eltchat
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fionamau
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28/3/2012
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2:07 P.M.
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#eltchat Mainstream school ELT isn't fun-driven, it's exam-driven hoop-jumping rather than lifelong learning
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YMHFA
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28/3/2012
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2:07 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Mainly: Is where we are really where we want to be? Or have we just ended up here somehow? #eltchat
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:07 P.M.
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RT @louisealix68: Sounds lk "we" wnt a return 2 old-school, grammar skool style teaching? #eltchat No, dont think that's wht Jim means
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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2:07 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Everyone means well but somehow we have lost touch with where the learning is going on #eltchat
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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2:07 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Mainly: Is where we are really where we want to be? Or have we just ended up here somehow? #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:07 P.M.
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Everyone means well but somehow we have lost touch with where the learning is going on #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:08 P.M.
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@theteacherjames Yes. Spot-on #eltchat
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trylingual
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28/3/2012
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2:08 P.M.
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@jimscriv This depends on who is in my class. #eltchat
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:08 P.M.
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#eltchat ive noticed a reluctance 2 correct students. I always say that U (the teacher) may B the only person who will do ths 4 them
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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2:08 P.M.
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#eltchat politically correct to praise a lot?
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ElkySmith
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28/3/2012
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2:08 P.M.
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#eltchat Thanks Jim. How do we support new teachers to end the dead-end drift without overwhelming them?
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esolcourses
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28/3/2012
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2:08 P.M.
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@Marisa_C @jimscriv in theory, I see myself as a "demand high" teacher *but* in some contexts, it isn't always practical/possible #ELTChat
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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2:08 P.M.
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@jimscriv Do you think that we've drifted into a touchy feely style because we've incorrectly associated engagement with fun? #eltchat
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yearinthelifeof
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28/3/2012
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2:08 P.M.
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@Marisa_C @jimscriv There is a culture of praising when it isn't fully due, I'd say - hard to separate from 'encouragement' #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:08 P.M.
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RT @antoniaclare: Hi Jim +all - my experience is that gd teachers manage the cognitive load well, but it's not always the case #eltchat
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:08 P.M.
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Hi Jim +all - my experience is that gd teachers manage the cognitive load well, but it's not always the case #eltchat
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teflgeek
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28/3/2012
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2:08 P.M.
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@jimscriv - does demand high teaching match with learner expectations or wants? #eltchat
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iHiND82
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28/3/2012
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2:08 P.M.
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@jimscriv hard question to be answered #eltchat waiting for replies
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JoshSRound
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28/3/2012
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2:09 P.M.
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#eltchat certainly it is good idea to start looking more at Learning going on than Teaching
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louisealix68
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28/3/2012
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2:09 P.M.
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think is huge diff between 'types' of ss and needs. Teachers differentiate in questions/feedback. Good ones know what pupils want. #eltchat
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phil3wade
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28/3/2012
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2:09 P.M.
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I think we need to treat students like adults (if they are) and challenge them in every way #eltchat
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ElkySmith
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28/3/2012
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2:09 P.M.
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#eltchat Teachers freq. seem to want to avoid heads-down, silent work.
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eltbakery
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28/3/2012
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2:09 P.M.
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I've had the chance 2 'revisit' techniques, approaches and classroom applications by training new Ts, we sometimes forget that #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:09 P.M.
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RT @Shaunwilden: RT @BobK99: @Shaunwilden #eltchat Hmm Not sure why we need a new term. Is DHT just expecting the most from your students?
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:09 P.M.
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RT @yearinthelifeof: thr is a culture of praising when it isn't fully due, I'd say - hard 2 separate from 'encouragement' #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:09 P.M.
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RT @BobK99: @Shaunwilden #eltchat Hmm Not sure why we need a new term. Is DHT just expecting the most from your students?
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michaelegriffin
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28/3/2012
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2:09 P.M.
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RT@teflgeek @jimscriv does demand high teaching match with learner expectations or wants? >>Or needs #ELTchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:09 P.M.
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@yearinthelifeof I see encouragement as valuable. Feedback as essential. Praise as mostly harmful. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:09 P.M.
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#eltchat I also see myself as a demand high teacher and trainer
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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2:09 P.M.
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The problem is some schools have a demand-low policy and if teachers want to keep their jobs they have to go with the flow? #ELTchat
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BobK99
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28/3/2012
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2:09 P.M.
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@Shaunwilden #eltchat Hmm Not sure why we need a new term. Is DHT just expecting the most from your students?
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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2:10 P.M.
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I think I am demand-high in terms of the subjects we discuss, but I could demand more of my students linguistically. Trying though! #eltchat
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trylingual
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28/3/2012
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2:10 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: @yearinthelifeof I see encouragement as valuable. Feedback as essential. Praise as mostly harmful. #eltchat
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:10 P.M.
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RT @ShellTerrell: For the next hr my tweets dedicated to #ELTChat w/ guest @jimscriv Demand High Teaching: How to Foster It #IATEFL
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:10 P.M.
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RT @Shaunwilden: RT @BobK99: @Shaunwilden #eltchat Is DHT just expecting the most from yr stds? Think yes, but also abt 'getting stuck in'
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:10 P.M.
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@jimscriv hit anywhere you can aim #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:10 P.M.
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@jimscriv Dont worry we can follow up later on anything we missed :-) #eltchat
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touqo
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28/3/2012
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2:10 P.M.
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@jimscriv maybe deferring to book isn't all bad, if it leaves more time to allocate to more challenging tasks with pupils? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:10 P.M.
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@Shaunwilden we used to call this 'having high expectations of our Ss' and research suggests if you do,ss rise UP to ur expectation #eltchat
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yearinthelifeof
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28/3/2012
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2:10 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: @yearinthelifeof I see encouragement as valuable. Feedback as essential. Praise as mostly harmful. #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:10 P.M.
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My goodness this is flying at me so fast - many good points - I don't know where to start! #eltchat
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yearinthelifeof
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28/3/2012
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2:10 P.M.
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We also have the difficulty of judging what is demand high of an elementary and what it is for, say, an upper int student #eltchat
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:10 P.M.
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RT @theteacherjames:...we've drifted into a touchy feely style because we've incorrectly associated engagement with fun? #eltchat
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bealer81
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28/3/2012
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2:11 P.M.
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Teachers need to slow down and learn to stop meeting targets in course books. Focus on what's happening, then and there. #eltchat
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iHiND82
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28/3/2012
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2:11 P.M.
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@jimscriv maybe bcoz we're not intrested in their motive of learning or cant make it clear #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:11 P.M.
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RT @fionamau: RT @theteacherjames: @jimscriv ... incorrectly associated engagement w fun? #eltchat > This implies dodgy training & lack of indep thought
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phil3wade
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28/3/2012
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2:11 P.M.
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Demand high cognitively or linguistically?Some lessons put both at elementary level. #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:11 P.M.
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@touqo I'm not arguing against cbooks. I like many of them &would choose to use them. But the T has to OWN the book, not operate it #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:11 P.M.
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@fionamau fully agree on this evidence of dodgy training - cheap online weekend TEFL training #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:11 P.M.
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RT @theteacherjames: Some required reading by @jemjemgardner before today's #eltchat with @jimscriv : http://t.co/nPSFtj4g
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:11 P.M.
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Jim Scrivener's Intro in a Google Doc in case you're just getting here #ELTChat http://t.co/F7dQ3vIt
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ElkySmith
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28/3/2012
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2:11 P.M.
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#eltchat Vague feedback - positive or negative - is not useful.
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fionamau
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28/3/2012
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2:11 P.M.
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RT @theteacherjames: @jimscriv ... incorrectly associated engagement w fun? #eltchat > This implies dodgy training & lack of indep thought
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michaelegriffin
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28/3/2012
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2:11 P.M.
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@teflerinha @yearinthelifeof I really like how they separated praise, encouragement and feedback #ELTchat
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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2:12 P.M.
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@fionamau @jimscriv There's a misunderstanding that just because they look like they are enjoying themselves, they must be learning #eltchat
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eltbakery
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28/3/2012
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2:12 P.M.
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Maybe afraid, or maybe comfortable w all there is available. RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat are teachers afraid to demand high linguistically?
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:12 P.M.
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RT @fionamau: RT @Marisa_C: #eltchat I also see myself as a demand high teacher and trainer > Me too. Of myself, my students & trainees. Why aim low?
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esolcourses
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28/3/2012
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2:12 P.M.
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RT @teacherphili: demand-low or average teaching is infectious in institutions where there is blame culture #eltchat
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fionamau
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28/3/2012
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2:12 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: #eltchat I also see myself as a demand high teacher and trainer > Me too. Of myself, my students & trainees. Why aim low?
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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2:12 P.M.
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#eltchat are teachers afraid to demand high linguistically?
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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2:12 P.M.
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#eltchat are teachers afraid to demand high linguistically?
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:12 P.M.
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We need to ensure the level of challenge is right in so many ways (not too heavy linguistically) not too light (content) #eltchat
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:12 P.M.
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RT @ElkySmith: #eltchat Study showed (Butler 1988) that comments on work more effective than grades or grades & comments.
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:12 P.M.
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We need to ensure the level of challenge is right in so many ways (not too heavy linguistically) not too light (content) #eltchat
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:12 P.M.
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RT @ElkySmith: #eltchat Study showed (Butler 1988) that comments on work more effective than grades or grades & comments.
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:12 P.M.
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RT @ShellTerrell: Jim Scrivener's Intro in a Google Doc in case you're just getting here #ELTChat http://t.co/k0BvRmkm
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teacherphili
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28/3/2012
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2:12 P.M.
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demand-low or average teaching is infectious in institutions where there is blame culture (-> the institution or students) #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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28/3/2012
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2:12 P.M.
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How does 'demand-high ELT' sit with differentiation? Seems a demand too high. I'm already stretch as far as I can be sometimes #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:12 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: But Demand-High isn't a negative argument. It's a positive assertion that it's ok to "teach". #eltchat
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JoeMcVeigh
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28/3/2012
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2:13 P.M.
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RE: Praise is mostly harmful - see book by Alfie Kohn: Punished by Rewards abt negative effect of grades on stud. motivation #ELTchat
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trylingual
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28/3/2012
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2:13 P.M.
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Do sts like what we do? What if we do more? How will they feel then? I often find they love it. #eltchat
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touqo
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28/3/2012
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2:13 P.M.
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@jimscriv U mean T has to master the book? Agreed. Actually it helps to concentrate on the essential and leave more to interaction #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:13 P.M.
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RT @esolcourses: in theory, I see myself as a "demand high" teacher *but* in some contexts, it isn't always practical/possible #ELTChat
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AnaCristinaPrts
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28/3/2012
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2:13 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Ts, especially recently trained, defer to book and become just classroom managers. #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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28/3/2012
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2:13 P.M.
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Stretched** #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:13 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: we used to call this 'having high expectations of our Ss' research suggests if you do,ss rise UP to ur expectation #eltchat
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fionamau
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28/3/2012
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2:13 P.M.
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@jimscriv #eltchat How do u distinguish between positive feedback and praise?
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AnaCristinaPrts
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28/3/2012
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2:13 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: But Demand-High isn't a negative argument. It's a positive assertion that it's ok to "teach". #eltchat
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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2:13 P.M.
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i think demand high can be for any kind of student, low or high ability, just have to differentiate the demand #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:13 P.M.
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@bealer81 I like that wording. I think schools, ministries etc do a great disservice to Ts by imposing targets - so many units a wk #eltchat
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:13 P.M.
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@harrisonmike I think it's closely connected- it's about providing the right amount of challenge for each student I think #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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28/3/2012
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2:14 P.M.
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@jimscriv @bealer81 Or having to enroll students on a course knowing that they are going to pass the final exam #eltchat
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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2:14 P.M.
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@theteacherjames @fionamau @jimscriv I guess being engaged does not mean being all smiles, engagement has to do with brain activity #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:14 P.M.
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there was emphasis on going back to what we do well at #iatefl this year does this suggest that initial training has gone awry? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:14 P.M.
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@jimscriv I like this 'spurious fun' phrase - all ha ha but no Aha!!!! #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:14 P.M.
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RT @trylingual: Do sts like what we do? What if we do more? How will they feel then? I often find they love it. #eltchat
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:14 P.M.
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@fionamau #eltchat Think it's about not giving indiscriminate praise- which means nothing
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esolcourses
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28/3/2012
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2:14 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: @theteacherjames lessons shld be enjoyable - but that comes from engagement with real learning - not spurious "fun" #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:14 P.M.
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RT @nickkiley: #eltchat Need to be careful - Some teachers see DHT as more teacher grammar presentation. Might it be better as 'Demand High Learning'?
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JoshSRound
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28/3/2012
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2:14 P.M.
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RT @nickkiley: #eltchat Need to be careful - Some teachers see DHT as more teacher grammar presentation. Might it be better as 'Demand High Learning'?
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PatrickAndrews
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28/3/2012
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2:14 P.M.
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@harrisonmike Interesting queston - presumably ideas of ZPD help here - working high within learner's level. #eltchat
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fionamau
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28/3/2012
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2:14 P.M.
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RT @ElkySmith: #eltchat Teachers freq. seem to want to avoid heads-down, silent work. > Often too much 'stuff' in bk to allow time for it
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:14 P.M.
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#ELTChat @esolcourses good point Sue! Can you think of any of these situations?
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esolcourses
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28/3/2012
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2:14 P.M.
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RT @harrisonmike: How does 'demand-high ELT' sit with differentiation? I'm already stretch as far as I can be sometimes #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:14 P.M.
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@theteacherjames Yes- of course lessons shld be enjoyable - but that comes from engagement with real learning - not spurious "fun" #eltchat
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nickkiley
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28/3/2012
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2:14 P.M.
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#eltchat Need to be careful - Some teachers see DHT as more teacher grammar presentation. Might it be better as 'Demand High Learning'?
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:15 P.M.
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@nickkiley The trouble with any term is that it's open to interpretation. Inevitable. #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:15 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: @jimscriv I like this 'spurious fun' phrase #eltchat - when a teacher says this will be fun, I always ask fun for who
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:15 P.M.
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RT @nickkiley: #eltchat Need 2B careful - sum teachers C DHT as more teacher grammar presentation. Might B better as 'Demand High Learning'?
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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2:15 P.M.
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@jimscriv It's not the enjoyment that's the problem, it's the assumption. #eltchat
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fionamau
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28/3/2012
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2:15 P.M.
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RT @phil3wade ...challenge them in every way #eltchat > All sts should be treated like 'achieving students' rather than like slowies.....
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nickkiley
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28/3/2012
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2:15 P.M.
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RT @Shaunwilden: does this suggest that initial training has gone awry? #eltchat > Maybe stagnated?
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ElkySmith
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28/3/2012
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2:15 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: @jimscriv I like this 'spurious fun' phrase - all ha ha but no Aha!!!! #eltchat
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:15 P.M.
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RT @JoeMcVeigh: Praise is mostly harmful - C book by Kohn: Punished by Rewards abt negative effect of grades on stud. motivation #ELTchat
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andressatech
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28/3/2012
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2:15 P.M.
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Discussion on twitter right now under hashtag #ELTChat
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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2:15 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: @jimscriv I like this 'spurious fun' phrase - all ha ha but no Aha!!!! #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:16 P.M.
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@esolcourses I think that there is a way of teaching one-to-one with everyone in a class. And making it useful for all. #eltchat
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LearnEnglishGW
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28/3/2012
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2:16 P.M.
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Download our free classroom materials? Lessons based on topical news stories : http://t.co/VAlTw4Bo #elt #eltchat #tefl #efl #esol #tesol
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louisealix68
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28/3/2012
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2:16 P.M.
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shld be sts doing work, not teachers! ;) @ShellTerrell #ELTChat
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JoeMcVeigh
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28/3/2012
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2:16 P.M.
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@esolcourses Goal is that feedback is neutral or comes from students themselves, rather than mechanically from T. #ELTchat
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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2:16 P.M.
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#eltchat as in, that would avoid confidence issues
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:16 P.M.
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RT @ShellTerrell: Sometimes I think Tchrs equate more work w high demand #ELTChat
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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2:16 P.M.
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#eltchat can be supportive AND avoid overhigh praise?
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eltbakery
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28/3/2012
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2:16 P.M.
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It involves an endless struggle between what Ts believe in and the philosophy of CB-based syllabus&exams imposed by the school? #eltchat
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fionamau
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28/3/2012
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2:16 P.M.
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RT @feedtheteacher: @theteacherjames @jimscriv engagement has to do with brain activity #eltchat > Yes, & challenge, motivation, interest.
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:16 P.M.
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Sometimes I think Tchrs equate more work w high demand but isn't a big part allowing Ss to think on their own & have that time? #ELTChat
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JoeMcVeigh
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28/3/2012
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2:16 P.M.
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Sounds like DHT is also demanding of the T - more time, effort, preparation, energy required. Can't just sit back and do same old. #ELTchat
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esolcourses
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28/3/2012
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2:16 P.M.
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Agree overpraising is not good, but saying no or 'not good enough' may dent some s's confidence. Can be a tough call sometimes #ELTChat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:17 P.M.
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@teflerinha And there is a huge amount of that nowadays. Watch almost anyone's class. It's full of "Brilliant" "Fantastic" etc #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:17 P.M.
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RT @louisealix68: shld be sts doing work, not teachers! ;) #ELTChat
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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2:17 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell so demand high = student centred? #eltchat
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nickkiley
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28/3/2012
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2:17 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: The trouble with any term is it's open to interpretation #eltchat > True. We should promote more critical thought in training?
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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2:17 P.M.
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@louisealix68 But you can change your definition of demand based on who you are teaching. #eltchat
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:17 P.M.
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RT @phil3wade: Demand high cognitively or linguistically?Some lessons put both at elementary level. #eltchat Indeed
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:17 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell yes i am worried that this high demand upsurge is going to encourage the T who flood Ss with exercises and HD stuff #eltchat
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trylingual
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28/3/2012
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2:17 P.M.
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@jimscriv DHT means more teaching moments or periods in a lesson? #eltchat
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touqo
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28/3/2012
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2:17 P.M.
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Is "deferring to book" easier to resort to in flipped or traditional classroom? #eltchat
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PatrickAndrews
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28/3/2012
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2:17 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell I very much agree with this #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:17 P.M.
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I think of high demand as my Ss being able to do things with the language. I want to see what they can do. So more them than me #ELTChat
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Julie_Cobb
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28/3/2012
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2:17 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: We lack the real training in facilitation skills to work with ALL sts in class, to get real interaction going. #eltchat
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:17 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell Yes, definitely getting ss to do more for themselves. wait time very important for example #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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2:17 P.M.
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@ElkySmith Even if it's only an unconscious objective. #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:18 P.M.
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Yes bcuz its harder to work w/ lang than digest it. RT @LizziePinard: so demand high = student centred? #eltchat
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eltbakery
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28/3/2012
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2:18 P.M.
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True @ShellTerrell Expect more from our SS and don't underestimate them by preparing less and listening more to them. #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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28/3/2012
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2:18 P.M.
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Would @jimscriv and Adrian Underhill like to come to my class with sts from 18-50yrs elem-pre-int, special needs, pre-literate sts #eltchat
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JoeMcVeigh
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28/3/2012
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2:18 P.M.
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Are we, to some extent, talking about the expectations we have of what Ss are required to do in class? Raising the bar? #ELTchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:18 P.M.
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@trylingual I like the wording. Yes - I think that probably is the idea. #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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2:18 P.M.
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RT @ShellTerrell: Jim Scrivener's Intro in a Google Doc in case you're just getting here #ELTChat http://t.co/F7dQ3vIt
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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2:18 P.M.
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@Marisa_C no me neither! #eltchat
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:18 P.M.
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RT @feedtheteacher: I guess being engaged does not mean being all smiles, engagement has to do with brain activity #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:18 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: i am worried that this high demand upsurge is going to encourage the T who flood Ss with exercises and HD stuff #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:18 P.M.
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@LizziePinard don't think terms are equivalent #eltchat
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BobK99
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28/3/2012
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2:19 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell tHANKS sHELL. #ELTChat
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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2:19 P.M.
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#eltchat can challenge without demotivating by doing it supportively maybe
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trylingual
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28/3/2012
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2:19 P.M.
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@jimscriv Does DLT create phatic communication? Does DHT take us and the sts deeper? #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:19 P.M.
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RT @esolcourses: think it can depend on level/context. IME, if you challenge less confident beginners too much, can be demotivating #ELTChat
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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2:19 P.M.
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RT @LizziePinard: i think demand high can be for any kind of student, low or high ability, just have to differentiate the demand #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:19 P.M.
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RT @esolcourses: think it can depend on level/context. IME, if you challenge less confident beginners too much, can be demotivating #ELTChat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:19 P.M.
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@harrisonmike there is always a T who thinks the researchers don't teach enough to know anything and that's a fact!!!! #eltchat
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:19 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell #eltchat also agreed abt seeing wht ss cn do. Struggling 2 communicate is gr8 4 developing language (output hypothesis)
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:19 P.M.
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@feedtheteacher Demand-High is definitely learner-centred and learning-centred #eltchat
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esolcourses
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28/3/2012
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2:19 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell think it can depend on level/context. IME, if you challenge less confident beginners too much, it can be demotivating #ELTChat
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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2:19 P.M.
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@esolcourses I worked in a language school where "no" was a word we were not allowed to say to students. #eltchat Impossible mission IMHO
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trylingual
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28/3/2012
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2:20 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: @feedtheteacher Demand-High is definitely learner-centred and learning-centred #eltchat
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louisealix68
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28/3/2012
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2:20 P.M.
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goodness - this is going fast. Sounds like everyone's hot and bothered. Hard time keeping up! #eltchat
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analomba
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28/3/2012
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2:20 P.M.
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RT @Plurilinguismo El mapa del cerebro bilingΓΌe http://t.co/tMfGLt9e #actfl #ellchat #langchat #flteach #eltchat #parenting #latism #in
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aClilToClimb
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28/3/2012
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2:20 P.M.
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RT @bamarcia: RT @ShellTerrell: Jim Scrivener's Intro in a Google Doc in case you're just getting here #ELTChat http://t.co/mSSgOVNP
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:20 P.M.
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@esolcourses Agree. I think we have to be careful w Ss who have history of not feeling they "can" to give them shots they "can" #eltchat
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:20 P.M.
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RT @feedtheteacher: @esolcourses I worked in lang skool whr "no" was a wrd we wr not allowed 2 say 2 students. #eltchat Counterproductive 2
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bamarcia
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28/3/2012
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2:20 P.M.
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RT @ShellTerrell: Jim Scrivener's Intro in a Google Doc in case you're just getting here #ELTChat http://t.co/mSSgOVNP
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:20 P.M.
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Picking up a comment way back from Shaun. Why new term? Only to start people talking. To coalesce some ideas and spur thinking. #eltchat
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michaelegriffin
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28/3/2012
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2:21 P.M.
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I am wondering about what is meant by "substandard" language and how ELF fits into this (if at all) #ELTchat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:21 P.M.
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@jimscriv But dont you think we lose impetus by creating new terms basically we're talking about good hearty teaching #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:21 P.M.
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@harrisonmike I would LOVE to #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:21 P.M.
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RT @teflerinha: #eltchat also agreed abt seeing wht ss cn do. Struggling 2 communicate is gr8 4 developing language (output hypothesis)
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AnthonyGaughan
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28/3/2012
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2:21 P.M.
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#eltchat we can't demand anything - but can make clear how much we suspect each S is capable of and open their way towards that point.
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:22 P.M.
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The challenge must be sensitive and supportive. The aim is not to terrify! But helpful, coaching, focus makes a huge difference. #eltchat
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andressatech
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28/3/2012
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2:22 P.M.
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@michaelegriffin I'm thinking it's that old story HOTS X LOTS #eltchat
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phil3wade
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28/3/2012
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2:22 P.M.
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@AnthonyGaughan We can make our expectations clear and say why we expects std 2...because they can and we want 2 help them imprve #eltchat
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louisealix68
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28/3/2012
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2:22 P.M.
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@esolcourses #ELTChat> or 'nearly"...
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JoeMcVeigh
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28/3/2012
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2:22 P.M.
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@jimscriv Isn't this called the Pygmalion effect? Lots of research, I think, on role of expectations and their effects.Hmm. . #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:22 P.M.
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RT @ShellTerrell: Any specific examples of a teacher doing high demand practice & what would not be? #ELTChat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:22 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: "Challenge" to acquire - if tasks dont's have enough challenge there is no acquisition - #ELTchat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:22 P.M.
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@esolcourses @feedtheteacher There's nothing wrong with a good 'no' #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:22 P.M.
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Any specific examples of a teacher doing high demand practice & what would not be? #ELTChat
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bamarcia
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28/3/2012
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2:22 P.M.
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Agree! RT @fionamau: RT @Marisa_C: #eltchat I also C myself as a demand high teacher & trainer > Me 2. Why aim low?
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esolcourses
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28/3/2012
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2:22 P.M.
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@feedtheteacher I was trained to say "that's not the answer we are looking for", rather than the "no" word. (sugar-coated "no" :-) #ELTChat
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PatrickAndrews
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28/3/2012
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2:22 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell @esolcourses Yes, I think so #eltchat
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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2:22 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: "Challenge" to acquire - if tasks dont's have enough challenge there is no acquisition - #ELTchat
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ElkySmith
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28/3/2012
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2:22 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell #eltchat Seen so many teachers getting swept along by syllabus - doing 5 rushed readings per week instead of one good one.
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:22 P.M.
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@PatrickAndrews not when u re a little kid who just wants to play #eltchat - depends v much what they are
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andressatech
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28/3/2012
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2:22 P.M.
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Our students are capable of great things if we don't understimate them #eltchat
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trylingual
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28/3/2012
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2:23 P.M.
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High demand not demanding. #eltchat
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nickkiley
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28/3/2012
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2:23 P.M.
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RT @feedtheteacher trained to say "that's not the answer we are looking for", rather than the "no" word #ELTChat > Has this come from NLP?
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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2:23 P.M.
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Research has shown that it's better to praise effort rather than ability. Recognises the work done. http://t.co/mFrSu1rC #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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28/3/2012
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2:23 P.M.
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@jimscriv Seriously think the mainstream EFL and ESOL could learn lots from each other #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:23 P.M.
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RT @andressatech: Our students are capable of great things if we don't understimate them #eltchat
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fionamau
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28/3/2012
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2:23 P.M.
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RT @AnthonyGaughan: #eltchat we can't demand anything - but can make clear how much we suspect each S is capable of and open their way towards that point.
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:23 P.M.
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RT @ElkySmith: #eltchat Seen so many teachers getting swept along by syllabus - doing 5 rushed readings per week instead of one good one.
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iHiND82
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28/3/2012
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2:23 P.M.
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finding out Ss motive and make it clear even to them can rise DHT and help learning 2 b enjoyble #eltchat
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glazaro
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28/3/2012
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2:23 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: "Challenge" to acquire - if tasks dont's have enough challenge there is no acquisition - #ELTchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:24 P.M.
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@AnthonyGaughan Nice wording! #eltchat
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ElkySmith
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28/3/2012
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2:24 P.M.
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#eltchat Wondering how could this be incorporated into e.g. CELTA...
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:24 P.M.
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RT @AnthonyGaughan: #eltchat we can't demand anything - but can make clear how much we suspect each S is capable of and open their way towards that point.
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:24 P.M.
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@PatrickAndrews: Yes - quality over quantity! #eltchat
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michaelegriffin
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28/3/2012
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2:24 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell I love previous example of just get ss into pairs and groups without thinking then stop @ some random point in time #ELTchat
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Snapper1853
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28/3/2012
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2:24 P.M.
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RT @andressatech: Our students are capable of great things if we don't understimate them #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:24 P.M.
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RT @Shaunwilden: \]dont you think we lose impetus by creating new terms basically we're talking about good hearty teaching #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:24 P.M.
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RT @eltbakery: Maybe by guiding them, leading them towards an achievable goal, adapting to their needs during the lesson. #eltchat
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louisealix68
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28/3/2012
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2:24 P.M.
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RT @harrisonmike: @jimscriv Seriously think the mainstream EFL and ESOL could learn lots from each other #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:24 P.M.
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RT @michaelegriffin: I am wondering about what is meant by "substandard" language and how ELF fits into this (if at all) #ELTchat
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eltbakery
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28/3/2012
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2:24 P.M.
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Maybe by guiding them, leading them towards an achievable goal, but without a script, adapting to their needs during the lesson. #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:24 P.M.
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Within this seems that if we are going to challenge them we have to know where they are at. Our relationship w the Ss important #eltchat
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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2:24 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell it is all about quality, when we demand very little from our ss it means we are demanding very little from ourselves #eltchat
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phil3wade
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28/3/2012
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2:24 P.M.
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I had a CPE 121 yestday and I 'improved her writing'.She asked why basic words weren't OK and I said "you can do better" #ELTChat
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:24 P.M.
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Grrr..#eltchat+planning+cooking+looking after sick child= V high-demand sitn today! ;)
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Snapper1853
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28/3/2012
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2:24 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: "Challenge" to acquire - if tasks dont's have enough challenge there is no acquisition - #ELTchat
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:25 P.M.
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@ElkySmith So, we need to devote more time, and go 'deeper' with challenge #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:25 P.M.
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RT @ElkySmith: #eltchat Wondering how could this be incorporated into e.g. CELTA.It is, but then it gets lost achieving a tick box criteria
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JoHart
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28/3/2012
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2:25 P.M.
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@Marisa_C @ShellTerrell #ELTchat ime true of all learners not just ELT overchallenge = scare! Baby steps often necessary
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:25 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell Example might B gving hints 2 get students 2 reformulate sthing rather thn immediately gving correct version yourslf? #eltchat
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esolcourses
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28/3/2012
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2:25 P.M.
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@Shaunwilden agree 'no' is fine in principle, though I think it can depend on the learner, & how often you say it @feedtheteacher #ELTChat
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poet_economist
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28/3/2012
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2:25 P.M.
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RT @ShellTerrell: Jim Scrivener's Intro in a Google Doc in case you're just getting here #ELTChat http://t.co/F7dQ3vIt
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LukeMeddings
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28/3/2012
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2:25 P.M.
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Uncritical coursebook use promotes a kind of dependency in Ts and Ss - hand-holding all round - we all need a degree of challenge #eltchat
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fionamau
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28/3/2012
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2:25 P.M.
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RT @harrisonmike: @jimscriv Seriously think mainstream EFL & ESOL could learn lots frm each other #eltchat > & mainstream ed - all different
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PatrickAndrews
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28/3/2012
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2:25 P.M.
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@harrisonmike @jimscriv Yes and perhaps learn from teaching of other languages #eltchat
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:25 P.M.
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RT @ElkySmith: #eltchat Seen so many teachers getting swept along by syllabus - doing 5 rushed readings per week instead of one good one.
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sheoranking
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28/3/2012
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2:25 P.M.
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RT @andressatech: Our students are capable of great things if we don't understimate them #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:25 P.M.
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@AnthonyGaughan Good point! I hadn't seen it that way #ELTChat
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:26 P.M.
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@BrunoELT Hi Bruno, not at all ;) #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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2:26 P.M.
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RT @andressatech: Our students are capable of great things if we don't understimate them #eltchat
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fionamau
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28/3/2012
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2:26 P.M.
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@BrunoELT #eltchat Hi! Jump on!
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michaelegriffin
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28/3/2012
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2:26 P.M.
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@andressatech I am sorry I don't think i follow you. HOTS X LOTS? #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:26 P.M.
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How do we challenge Ss without demotivating? Any specific things you do as a teacher? #ELTChat
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yearinthelifeof
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28/3/2012
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2:26 P.M.
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@BrunoELT We've been waiting for you, so don't worry about it ;-) #eltchat
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Skollyftet
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28/3/2012
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2:26 P.M.
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β€@bealer81: Teachers need to slow down and learn to stop meeting targets in course books. Focus on what's happening, then and there #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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2:26 P.M.
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RT @AnthonyGaughan: #eltchat we can't demand anything - but can make clear how much we suspect each S is capable of and open their way towards that point.
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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2:26 P.M.
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#eltchat maybe a good start is to question what we are doing in class rather than just doing it for the sake of doing it.
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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2:26 P.M.
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@nickkiley it was something like the "n" word and we were not allowed to mark tests or paper with red ink either #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:26 P.M.
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@Shaunwilden Don't know. Giving it a name helped focus. Would we be discussing now if I'd stood up &said we need to teach better? #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:26 P.M.
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@esolcourses Have never met a learner that didnt like a bit of honesty #eltchat
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JoshSRound
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28/3/2012
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2:26 P.M.
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β€@LukeMeddings: Uncritical CB use promotes a kind of dependency in Ts and Ss - we all need a degree of challenge #eltchatβ€ Agreed!
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BobK99
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28/3/2012
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2:26 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: @jimscriv I like this 'spurious fun' phrase - all ha ha but no Aha!!!! #eltchat :yeah - neat summary! ;)
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AnthonyGaughan
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28/3/2012
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2:26 P.M.
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Took some editing! RT @jimscriv @AnthonyGaughan Nice wording! #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:26 P.M.
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RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat can challenge without demotivating by doing it supportively maybe
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:26 P.M.
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@jimscriv It worked! People are talking! :-) #ELTChat
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nickkiley
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28/3/2012
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2:26 P.M.
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This #eltchat is High Demand Chatting - difficult to keep up. Phew...
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yearinthelifeof
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28/3/2012
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2:26 P.M.
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@AnthonyGaughan How would you accommodate learners with different capabilities? #eltchat
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PatrickAndrews
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28/3/2012
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2:26 P.M.
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@jimscriv Often think the best lessons are the ones with least pages covered #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:27 P.M.
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RT @ElkySmith: #eltchat Wondering how could this be incorporated into e.g. CELTA...
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ricardgarcia5
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28/3/2012
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2:27 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: "Challenge" to acquire - if tasks dont's have enough challenge there is no acquisition - #ELTchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:27 P.M.
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@Marisa_C @PatrickAndrews I have two little kids - I see them DRIVEN by an urge to learn ... that school will slowly close down #eltchat
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JoHart
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28/3/2012
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2:27 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell #ELTchat baby steps & much praise for any succes
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great_gracious
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28/3/2012
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2:27 P.M.
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RT @bamarcia: RT @Shaunwilden: special treat on #ELTChat Jim Scrivener is our guest! Join us in 20min! Plz Rt! ... http://t.co/FiwoDNaK
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:27 P.M.
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RT @JoHart: @Marisa_C @ShellTerrell #ELTchat ime true of all learners not just ELT overchallenge = scare! Baby steps often necessary > vtrue
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great_gracious
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28/3/2012
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2:28 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Taps virtual twitter microphone and mumbles "testing testing" #eltchat
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touqo
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28/3/2012
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2:28 P.M.
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@LizziePinard that's very true! How to motivate varies from person to person. True also outside the teaching/learning context. #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:28 P.M.
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RT @teflerinha: Ex. might B gving hints 2 get Ss 2 reformulate something rather than immediately gving the correct version yourself #eltchat
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ElkySmith
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28/3/2012
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2:28 P.M.
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#eltchat But maybe we also have to accept that motivation ebbs and flows and we are only partly responsible for it.
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andressatech
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28/3/2012
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2:28 P.M.
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RT @andressatech: @fionamau High Order Thinking SKills X Lower Order Thinking Skills #eltchat
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:28 P.M.
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@phil3wade I think when the topic is 'tedious and insulting', we need to find a better angle from the sts (or change the book!) ;) #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:28 P.M.
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@esolcourses I strongly believe that we need to train Ts to (a) say "no" supportively (b) have techniques to help sts to "yes" #eltchat
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AnthonyGaughan
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28/3/2012
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2:28 P.M.
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Goethe "if I accept u as u are, I make u worse; but if I treat u as I believe u r capable of being, I help u become that" #eltchat
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louisealix68
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28/3/2012
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2:28 P.M.
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I have 2 little kids - I DRIVEN by urge 2 learn that school will slowly close down #eltchat >>> is it school or curriculum?
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:28 P.M.
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@jimscriv my point being all these things should be seen as norms #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:28 P.M.
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RT @feedtheteacher: all about quality, when we demand very little from our ss it means we are demanding very little from ourselves #eltchat
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ElkySmith
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28/3/2012
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2:28 P.M.
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RT @ShellTerrell: "How do we challenge Ss without demotivating?" This should be our sole objective #ELTChat
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yearinthelifeof
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28/3/2012
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2:28 P.M.
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How do we demand more from learners who aren't motivated to be in the classroom? #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:28 P.M.
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@jimscriv Yes cos you have gravitas to do so - just don't like names - DHT, dogme etc all good things but the name gets in the way #eltchat
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jcordovasjsd
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28/3/2012
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2:29 P.M.
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RT @ShellTerrell: A step towards critical thinking http://t.co/s4u1wjgh by @seburnt #eltchat
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louisealix68
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28/3/2012
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2:29 P.M.
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RT @ElkySmith: #eltchat But maybe we also have to accept that motivation ebbs and flows and we are only partly responsible for it.
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nickkiley
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28/3/2012
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2:29 P.M.
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RT @Shaunwilden: @jimscriv my point being all these things should be seen as norms #eltchat > Is onus on teacher trainers / DoSes, then?
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PatrickAndrews
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28/3/2012
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2:29 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell Looking at alternative forms and how these affect meaning (eg changing model forms) #eltchat
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phil3wade
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28/3/2012
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2:29 P.M.
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@ElkySmith No more spoonfeeding, let them develop ideas and shape them,less book-based teaching and more exploration? #eltchat
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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2:29 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell being straight foward and asking students to not to settle for good enough.#eltchat
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JoeMcVeigh
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28/3/2012
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2:29 P.M.
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What is role of cultivating drive to learn - destroyed by criticism=error correction? But need for some focus on form, right? #ELTchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:29 P.M.
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RT @michaelegriffin: love previous ex of just get ss into pairs and groups without thinking then stop @ some random point in time #ELTchat
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philhart
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28/3/2012
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2:29 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell I ask them questions that I think may intrigue them. #ELTchat
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JoHart
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28/3/2012
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2:29 P.M.
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@yearinthelifeof #ELTchat - find key to THEM ie their motivator/interest
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JoHart
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28/3/2012
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2:29 P.M.
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@yearinthelifeof #ELTchat - find key to THEM ie their motivator/interest
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:29 P.M.
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@AnthonyGaughan Thank you Goethe! #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:29 P.M.
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@AnthonyGaughan Thank you Goethe! #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:30 P.M.
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Yes! In #30goalsEdu the challenge is to ask a ? w/o 1 answer RT @philhart: I ask them questions that I think may intrigue them. #ELTchat
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esolcourses
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28/3/2012
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2:30 P.M.
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@Shaunwilden what @jimscriv said :-) honesty is great, but correction needs to be sensitively and supportively done #eltchat
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ElkySmith
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28/3/2012
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2:30 P.M.
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@phil3wade Yes, but how do we equip new teachers with the skills to do this in e.g. 4 weeks? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:30 P.M.
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touchy philly :-) #eltchat
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PatrickAndrews
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28/3/2012
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2:30 P.M.
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@jimscriv @Marisa_C Know exactly what you mean - massive problem in science teaching, I think #eltchat
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eltbakery
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28/3/2012
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2:30 P.M.
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To REALLY listen to SS in and outside the classroom can do miracles with their learning and building their confidence. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:30 P.M.
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@nickkiley Good question - i think it all goes back to a desire to be humanistic and touchie touchie feelie feelie #eltchat
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iHiND82
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28/3/2012
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2:30 P.M.
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DHT isnt demanding, it kindda needs using Ss personality in facilitating learning process #eltchat
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BobK99
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28/3/2012
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2:30 P.M.
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RT @bamarcia: Agree! RT @fionamau: RT @Marisa_C: #eltchat I also C myself as a demand high teacher & trainer > Me 2. Why aim low? Exactly:)
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michaelegriffin
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28/3/2012
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2:30 P.M.
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Good enough according to what standard? #ELTchat
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trylingual
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28/3/2012
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2:30 P.M.
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RT @Shaunwilden: RT @nickkiley: RT @Shaunwilden: my point being all these things should be seen as norms #eltchat >Is onus on teacher trainers / DoSes, then?
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:30 P.M.
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RT @nickkiley: RT @Shaunwilden: my point being all these things should be seen as norms #eltchat >Is onus on teacher trainers / DoSes, then?
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rliberni
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28/3/2012
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2:31 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: I think to some extent discussing this point on #ELTchat is preaching to the converts - but good topic
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:31 P.M.
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RT @esolcourses: what @jimscriv said :-) honesty is great, but correction needs to be sensitively and supportively done #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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2:31 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell Choose subjects whicht the sts will find motivating. High demand will come easier from their own engagement. #ELTChat
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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2:31 P.M.
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@antoniaclare @phil3wade why not do away with the books, sometimes, and ask our students to help us build on the topic? #eltchat
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:31 P.M.
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I think the 'touchy feely' thing can definitely be insulting to some learners who give up their time and money to learn Eng #eltchat
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PatrickAndrews
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28/3/2012
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2:31 P.M.
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@jimscriv @Marisa_C Seems to me most kids are fascinated by science and school can be inclined to bash this interest out of them #eltchat
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trylingual
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28/3/2012
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2:31 P.M.
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#eltchat DHT seems a post-CELTA step to me. A higher plane of evolution. How do Ts get there? Who wil support/guide them?
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:31 P.M.
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RT @PatrickAndrews: Looking at alternative forms and how these affect meaning (eg changing model forms) #eltchat
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tarabenwell
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28/3/2012
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2:31 P.M.
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Just joining #ELTChat -waiting for my flight to Philly for #TESOL12.
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michaelegriffin
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28/3/2012
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2:31 P.M.
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@Shaunwilden But now it is a thing and I will have little angels on my shoulder tomorrow when/if I demand low. #ELTchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:31 P.M.
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RT @feedtheteacher: being straight foward and asking students to not to settle for good enough. #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:31 P.M.
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@nickkiley yes i think they have a responsibility - more looking at techniques etc rather than here's a good activity for #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:31 P.M.
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@ElkySmith Without L motivation teaching is just entertainment. I cannot motivate anyone. Therefore I have to directly address it. #eltchat
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rliberni
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28/3/2012
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2:32 P.M.
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RT @ShellTerrell: #ELTChat @esolcourses good point Sue! Can you think of any of these situations?
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ElkySmith
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28/3/2012
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2:32 P.M.
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@trylingual #eltchat That's my feeling but I want to challenge my assumption there.
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trylingual
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28/3/2012
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2:32 P.M.
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RT @louisealix68: is it only MA+ who can demand more? Can NQTs also manage? #eltchat<- Of course, anyone can do it…but who will help them?
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JoshSRound
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28/3/2012
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2:32 P.M.
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HDT = we all aim for engaging lessons but too often either the overal pitch or the detail in monitoring/feedback is too low/fluffy #eltchat
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eltbakery
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28/3/2012
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2:32 P.M.
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@trylingual Maybe post-CELTA, maybe it comes with experience as well. It's about questioning approaches, methods and techniques #eltchat
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fionamau
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28/3/2012
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2:32 P.M.
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#eltchat Got to drop out - too much to do in too little time :( Can't wait fr the summary, though. Have fun - or engagement at least.
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great_gracious
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28/3/2012
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2:32 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Mainly: Is where we are really where we want to be? Or have we just ended up here somehow? #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:32 P.M.
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RT @theteacherjames: Choose subjects which the sts will find motivating. High demand will come easier from their own engagemt. #ELTChat
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nickkiley
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28/3/2012
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2:32 P.M.
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@Marisa_C #eltchat Yes, I think often teachers are scared that they'll upset the students. There can be cultural sensitivities in play too
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:32 P.M.
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@feedtheteacher: I suspect that most sts, once they had stopped being scared, would not settle for less than good enough. #eltchat
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louisealix68
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28/3/2012
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2:32 P.M.
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is it only MA+ who can demand more? Can NQTs also manage? #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:32 P.M.
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RT @antoniaclare: I think the 'touchy feely' thing can def be insulting to some learners who give up their time &money to learn Eng #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:32 P.M.
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@PatrickAndrews I like that post celta but even on our celta we expect no shallow end processing of activities #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:33 P.M.
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@jimscriv Do you think that this demand low teaching may have to do with Ts getting really the low ened of the pay scale? #eltchat
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:33 P.M.
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@phil3wade ...personal and relevant are key for any topic, yes #eltchat
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great_gracious
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28/3/2012
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2:33 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: I get the feeling that we have drifted into a sort of dead-end #eltchat
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:33 P.M.
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@feedtheteacher Yes, in fact we shld expect sts to do this anyway (build on the topic) #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:33 P.M.
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Hate to say but maybe Tchrs have prob w/ HDT & support because in their certificate prog their trainer made them feel like an idiot #ELTChat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:33 P.M.
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Humanism is hugely misunderstood in ELT. It is almost the opposite of "touchy feely". It is a muscular, robust way to help. #eltchat
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eltbakery
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28/3/2012
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2:34 P.M.
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@trylingual Both. Esp Ts questioning themselves from results w their SS, researching and observing Ts. To really value feedback #eltchat
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phil3wade
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28/3/2012
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2:34 P.M.
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@JoshSRound Push them,challenge them, support them then let them lead #eltchat
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createch1
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28/3/2012
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2:34 P.M.
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As educators we do have an impact on our student's attitude towards learning. Aiming high is a required to help them succed #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:34 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: "Humanism" is hugely misunderstood in ELT. It's almost the opp of "touchy feely".It's a muscular, robust way to help. #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:34 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: "Humanism" is hugely misunderstood in ELT. It's almost the opp of "touchy feely".It's a muscular, robust way to help. #eltchat
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rliberni
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28/3/2012
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2:34 P.M.
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Sorry so late will try and catch up #eltchat
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mentormadness
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28/3/2012
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2:35 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell LOVE IT #ELTChat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:35 P.M.
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If it wasn't prob of some trainers not supporting Tchrs then this wouldn't be so famous http://t.co/JM8Vrjah #eltchat How do we change this?
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rliberni
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28/3/2012
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2:35 P.M.
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I personally set out to try and get every learner to be the best they can be #eltchat
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iHiND82
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28/3/2012
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2:35 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell haha true !#eltchat
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JoHart
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28/3/2012
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2:35 P.M.
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@nickkiley @Shaunwilden @jimscriv Onus is always on tchr/trnr we there to facilitate - can't expect learners know how to learn #eltchat
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louisealix68
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28/3/2012
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2:35 P.M.
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Ok to demand high, but if teens don't play along? Teacher needs top class skills! #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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2:35 P.M.
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@ElkySmith Just as we shouldn't underestimate sts, we shouldn't estimate teachers. Needs to be discussed openly as part of f/back #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:35 P.M.
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@ElkySmith You probably can't "train" in 4 weeks. That course is survival skills. But an experienced T needs more skills. #eltchat
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edumazing
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28/3/2012
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2:35 P.M.
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#eltchat Should we be demanding 'high' or demanding 'personal best'? High is not clear & measurable.
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PatrickAndrews
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28/3/2012
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2:35 P.M.
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@Marisa_C @jimscriv Woner if another reason is influence of "student evaluation forms" #eltchat
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nickkiley
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28/3/2012
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2:35 P.M.
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RT @JoHart: @Shaunwilden @jimscriv Onus always on teacher/trainer - there to facilitate - can't expect learners know how to learn #eltchat
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:35 P.M.
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RT @antoniaclare: I think the 'touchy feely' thing cn def B insulting 2 sum learners who giv up their time & $$ 2 learn Eng #eltchat Agree
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JoshSRound
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28/3/2012
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2:35 P.M.
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@bealer81 agree, need to be brave enough in a way to do this - is this what some Ts lack? #eltchat
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michaelegriffin
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28/3/2012
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2:35 P.M.
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My sense is CELTA (no offense any1!) often pushes Ts 2 follow list of things to do/not do rather than focusing on Student Learning #ELTchat
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rliberni
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28/3/2012
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2:36 P.M.
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I think I expect a lot from them but mostly they accept this #eltchat
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PatrickAndrews
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28/3/2012
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2:36 P.M.
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@edumazing Yes, I think so - high depends on the learner #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:36 P.M.
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@phil3wade lol #eltchat
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phil3wade
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28/3/2012
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2:36 P.M.
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@Marisa_C @jimscriv What?So it's not hugging students and doing yoga in class? Oh pooh #eltchat
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nickkiley
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28/3/2012
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2:36 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: "Humanism" is hugely misunderstood in ELT. It's almost opposite of "touchy feely". It's muscular, robust way to help. #eltchat
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JoHart
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28/3/2012
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2:36 P.M.
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@nickkiley thank you I missed addint #ELTchat
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rliberni
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28/3/2012
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2:36 P.M.
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RT @ShellTerrell: If it wasn't prob of some trainers not supporting Tchrs then this wouldn't be so famous http://t.co/JM8Vrjah #eltchat How do we change this?
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louisealix68
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28/3/2012
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2:37 P.M.
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RT @ShellTerrell: In a study, they showed maj of teachers instructional style was influenced by those who taught them. #ELTChat > absolutely
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:37 P.M.
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@phil3wade Very nice! #eltchat
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trylingual
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28/3/2012
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2:37 P.M.
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#eltchat What T standards are there post-CELTA? What are Ts goals after they have taught for a few years? Do they get lost in the soup?
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:37 P.M.
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In a study, they showed maj of teachers instructional style was influenced by those who taught them. #ELTChat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:37 P.M.
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@Marisa_C Don't think it's pay. I've seen amazing teachers who earn peanuts. (And vice versa) #eltchat
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:37 P.M.
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@BrunoELT Lol - some 'fun class activities' that encourage sts to see things in diff light, but have little linguistic value #eltchat
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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2:37 P.M.
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RT @teflerinha: RT @teflerinha: @ElkySmith Can't teach this in 4 weeks, but can make the goal clear and model in own practice #eltchat
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:37 P.M.
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RT @teflerinha: @ElkySmith Can't teach this in 4 weeks, but can make the goal clear and model in own practice #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:37 P.M.
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@BrunoELT @antoniaclare @phil3wade Because that takes an incredible amount of time , effort and skill #eltchat
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louisealix68
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28/3/2012
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2:38 P.M.
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should only high level teaching qualifications be accepted? e.g. Delta/MA? #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:38 P.M.
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There is a higher skillset for experienced Ts that is largely unnoticed and untrained. #eltchat
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padgets
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28/3/2012
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2:38 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell #ELTchat. Just popping in to say hi! Will be moving from science to ESL next year! Hope to join you more often!
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:38 P.M.
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@BrunoELT #eltchat Yes! Agree with all of this bt too long to retweet!
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analomba
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28/3/2012
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2:38 P.M.
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The Advantages of Being Bilingual http://t.co/BENHy0fr #actfl #langchat #ellchat #eltchat #parenting #latism #preschool #edchat #in
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:38 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: @Marisa_C Don't think it's pay. I've seen amazing teachers who earn peanuts. (And vice versa) #eltchat Motivation? Skill set?
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ElkySmith
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28/3/2012
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2:38 P.M.
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#eltchat One feature of DLT is the 'lead up the garden path' method - Ts should be more explicit about what they do and how it benefits Ss.
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:38 P.M.
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RT @trylingual: #eltchat What T standards are there post-CELTA? What are Ts goals after they have taught for a few years?
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phil3wade
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28/3/2012
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2:38 P.M.
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@Shaunwilden @BrunoELT @antoniaclare Or is mix and matching copies of books to avoid copyright probs any better? #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:38 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: I think to some extent discussing this point on #ELTchat is preaching to the converts - but good topic
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iHiND82
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28/3/2012
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2:38 P.M.
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will check summry later thanx alot #eltchat must get up and get ready :) #LOVE
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michaelegriffin
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28/3/2012
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2:39 P.M.
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@antoniaclare Maybe helpful 2 think of fun class activities as just fun+perhaps worth doing but not think of them as all there is #ELTchat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:39 P.M.
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@louisealix68 IMO At the end of the day it's not about he qualifications it is about the skills in the classroom #eltchat
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touqo
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28/3/2012
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2:39 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell that's only natural. And other things beside the pedagogical know-how impact that. Funnines of the T, charisma, etc. #eltchat
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ElkySmith
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28/3/2012
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2:39 P.M.
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@trylingual #eltchat This is definitely where DoSes come in - observing Ts and forming understanding of what they are about, then guiding.
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marekandrews
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28/3/2012
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2:39 P.M.
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@jimscriv #eltchat by involving ss in discussing what we've done,how can we do it better+what needs to be done next,learner responsibility.
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:39 P.M.
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Why do EAQUALS inspections etc ask experienced Ts to write lesson plans. They should be demanding to see them teach without plans. #eltchat
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AnthonyGaughan
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28/3/2012
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2:39 P.M.
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@LizziePinard @jimscriv disagree as for many Ts this is all the training they get do 4 Ss sake it needs to promote DHT #eltchat
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rliberni
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28/3/2012
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2:39 P.M.
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RT @esolcourses: RT @Shaunwilden: RT @trylingual: #eltchat What T standards are there post-CELTA? What are Ts goals after they have taught for a few years?
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eltbakery
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28/3/2012
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2:39 P.M.
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Good point! RT @Shaunwilden: RT @trylingual: #eltchat What T standards are there post-CELTA? Ts goals after they have taught 4 a few years?
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trylingual
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28/3/2012
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2:39 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: I think to some extent discussing this point on #ELTchat is preaching to converts <- Ha ha.Make #eltchat compulsory?
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esolcourses
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28/3/2012
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2:39 P.M.
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RT @Shaunwilden: RT @trylingual: #eltchat What T standards are there post-CELTA? What are Ts goals after they have taught for a few years?
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:39 P.M.
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RT @bealer81: Get sts working for answers. Get sts to explain rules & meanings. Empower sts & give urself rm 2 c bigger picture #eltchat
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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2:40 P.M.
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#eltchat maybe CELTA can promote DHT but we need to develop it ourselves
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:40 P.M.
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RT @phil3wade: I go into class w vague topic, areas to develop & questions to ask students to push them. Grt 4 2 hrs of discussion #eltchat
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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2:40 P.M.
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RT @Shaunwilden: @louisealix68 IMO At the end of the day it's not about he qualifications it is about the skills in the classroom #eltchat
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louisealix68
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28/3/2012
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2:40 P.M.
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@jimscriv > to check they comply with/aim at curriculum/national standards? #eltchat
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JoshSRound
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28/3/2012
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2:40 P.M.
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β€@marekandrews: @jimscriv #eltchat by involving ss in discussing what we've done,how 2 do it better etc,learner responsibility.β€ Good idea!
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:40 P.M.
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@edumazing Yes - High - is contextual to "you" -each learner learning to do the best that they can do - not satisfied with less #eltchat
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phil3wade
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28/3/2012
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2:40 P.M.
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@jimscriv I go into class with a vague topic,areas to develop and questions to ask students to push them.Grt 4 2 hrs of discussion #eltchat
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:40 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: thr is a higher skillset 4 experienced Ts that is largely unnoticed & untrained. #eltchat Think a gd DELTA course shld go hre
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aClilToClimb
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28/3/2012
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2:40 P.M.
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RT @Shaunwilden: @louisealix68 IMO At the end of the day it's not about he qualifications it is about the skills in the classroom #eltchat
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eltbakery
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28/3/2012
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2:41 P.M.
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It's hard to get new Ts to reflect and question practices/methods on the Celta when there's only 4wks to teach them how to teach. #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:41 P.M.
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@padgets Fantastic! We will be happy to have your thoughts, ideas & experiences #ELTChat
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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2:41 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: There is a higher skillset for experienced Ts that is largely unnoticed and untrained. #eltchat
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louisealix68
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28/3/2012
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2:41 P.M.
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@Shaunwilden absolutely. But how to ensure quality of training? #eltchat
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:41 P.M.
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RT @ElkySmith: @trylingual #eltchat This is definitely where DoSes come in - Yes, in good school...
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:41 P.M.
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Delta courses "should" go there - but are so wound up in stress and checklists that they tend not to. #eltchat
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JoHart
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28/3/2012
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2:41 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell #ELTchat OUCH! sometimes I am happy to be a lit teacher not ESL
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AnthonyGaughan
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28/3/2012
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2:41 P.M.
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@LizziePinard @jimscriv which was why I reengineered our celta to demand more of trainees & thereby inculcate sense of what DHT IS #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:41 P.M.
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RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat maybe CELTA can promote DHT but we need to develop it ourselves
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:41 P.M.
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@michaelegriffin Agree, but think it's very important that Ts understand the value (or not) of what they're doing #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:42 P.M.
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@antoniaclare am not so sure - there are a lot of people out there working just with the 'bare minimum movements" #eltchat
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michaelegriffin
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28/3/2012
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2:42 P.M.
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@antoniaclare Totally agree. I guess what I wanna say is fun or yoga can be good and valuable choice(best when value understood) #ELTchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:42 P.M.
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@LizziePinard I think CELTA trainees can only cope with so much. It's a survival intro. Sure, intro the idea but expect "lag" #eltchat
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AnthonyGaughan
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28/3/2012
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2:42 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv Delta courses "should" go there - but are so wound up in stress and checklists that they tend not to. #eltchat | true.
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bamarcia
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28/3/2012
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2:42 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Delta courses "should" go there - but are so wound up in stress and checklists that they tend not to. #eltchat
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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2:42 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Delta courses "should" go there - but are so wound up in stress and checklists that they tend not to. #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:42 P.M.
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Gr8 pt! How do we do this? RT @bethanyvsmith: teachers teach the way they were taught, 1 cycle we try to break in teacher Ed. #ELTChat
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ElkySmith
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28/3/2012
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2:42 P.M.
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@AnthonyGaughan #eltchat Encouraging to hear - can you give some examples?
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rliberni
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28/3/2012
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2:42 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Delta courses "should" go there - but are so wound up in stress and checklists that they tend not to. #eltchat
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:42 P.M.
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RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat maybe CELTA can promote DHT but we need to develop it ourselves Agree!
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trylingual
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28/3/2012
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2:43 P.M.
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@jimscriv A suggestion-come up with a series of DHT commandments. See #dogme for an example. #eltchat V.useful for post-CELTA Ts.
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:43 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Demand-high is the business of in-service development, peer observation, action research, supportive observations etc #eltchat
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louisealix68
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28/3/2012
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2:43 P.M.
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@Shaunwilden ISO standard/teacher register a good idea? We have them over here! #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:43 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Demand-high is the business of in-service development, peer observation, action research, supportive observations etc #eltchat
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phil3wade
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28/3/2012
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2:43 P.M.
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@AnthonyGaughan @jimscriv Yes,I am very disappointed they don't.#eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:43 P.M.
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Demand-high is the business of in-service development, peer observation, action research, supportive observations etc #eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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28/3/2012
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2:43 P.M.
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@jimscriv agree 100% about lesson plans: assessment should focus less on what's been parcelled, more on what's being unwrapped #eltchat
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rliberni
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28/3/2012
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2:43 P.M.
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RT @JoHart: @ShellTerrell - keep building networks of tchrs who think and pass on their ideas, strategies etc just like #ELTchat
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yearinthelifeof
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28/3/2012
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2:43 P.M.
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@jimscriv Why do EAQUALS do most of the things they do, e.g. demanding that classroom walls be clear of posters / pictures? #eltchat
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JoHart
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28/3/2012
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2:43 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell - keep building networks of tchrs who think and pass on their ideas, strategies etc just like #ELTchat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:43 P.M.
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@louisealix68 Well thats the unanswerable question- but courses can be too tick box orientated & fulfilling those takes over #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:43 P.M.
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@JoHart LOL! It's funny because it's true, Jo! Thanks for your incredible contributions. I know you've worked w tough groups #ELTChat
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RchTodaysLrnr
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28/3/2012
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2:43 P.M.
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fun doesn't have to=silly/light. My kids said "that was fun" after a particularly difficult discussion after they "got" it last wk #eltchat
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ElkySmith
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28/3/2012
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2:44 P.M.
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@jimscriv #eltchat Such a shame that many DoSes get bogged down with admin stuff and this type of dev'ment is bottom of their priority list.
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louisealix68
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28/3/2012
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2:44 P.M.
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@Shaunwilden yes and no! but way for employer to know if certain standard achieved (incorporate portfolio/video) #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:44 P.M.
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@trylingual Well - we started with an "issues" manifesto (see blog) but would like to mould them with others over time. #eltchat
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:44 P.M.
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RT @LukeMeddings: agree abt lesson plans: assessment should focus less on what's been parcelled, more on what's being unwrapped #eltchat
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rliberni
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28/3/2012
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2:44 P.M.
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RT @ShellTerrell: What can we do to get schools to support high demand teaching & not stick us to a rigid syllabus or benchmarks? #ELTChat
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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2:44 P.M.
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so *maybe* #eltchat
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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2:44 P.M.
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RT @Shaunwilden: @esolcourses @feedtheteacher There's nothing wrong with a good 'no' #eltchat
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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2:44 P.M.
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#eltchat so many instituations need to learn about DHT
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:44 P.M.
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What can we do to get schools to support high demand teaching & not stick us to a rigid syllabus or benchmarks? #ELTChat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:44 P.M.
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@jimscriv truly it all begins in the training classroom but the microclimate of institutions also plays an impotrant role #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:44 P.M.
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@louisealix68 More tick boxes? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:45 P.M.
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@BrunoELT the student as client is not an easy thing to achieve even with adults - let alone children #ELTchat
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LukeMeddings
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28/3/2012
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2:45 P.M.
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RT @ShellTerrell: What can we do to get schools to support high demand teaching & not stick us to a rigid syllabus or benchmarks? #ELTChat
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eltbakery
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28/3/2012
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2:45 P.M.
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Yes, but I also see it as intrinsic motivation from the T. RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat so many instituations need to learn about DHT
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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2:45 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Demand-high is the business of in-service development, peer observation, action research, supportive observations etc #eltchat
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AnthonyGaughan
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28/3/2012
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2:45 P.M.
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@ElkySmith TTs try 2 attack emergent Lang from day1, no TP mats provided after TP2, etc. not where want 2b yet but getting there. #eltchat
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:45 P.M.
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@michaelegriffin Yes, was struggling to explain in 40 characters #eltchat ;)
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bamarcia
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28/3/2012
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2:45 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Demand-high is the business of in-service development, peer observation, action research, supportive observations etc #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:45 P.M.
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RT @BrunoELT: The true question is: How to make sts push forward when teachers themselves don't? #ELTchat
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JoHart
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28/3/2012
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2:45 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell always feel a bit scared in here as not trained ESL just lit pesron - but for me so much in common learn so much from #ELTchat
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BodyLogique
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28/3/2012
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2:45 P.M.
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RT @LizziePinard: i think demand high can be for any kind of student, low or high ability, just have to differentiate the demand #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:46 P.M.
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As teachers we can make a difference with our learners but what about the institutions themselves? How do we influence them? #ELTChat
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trylingual
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28/3/2012
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2:46 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Demand-high is the business of in-service development, peer observation, action research, supportive observations etc #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:46 P.M.
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@jimscriv too true - but many of us involved in teacher ed programmes so a good topic for us to reflect on #eltchat
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phil3wade
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28/3/2012
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2:46 P.M.
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@Marisa_C @BrunoELT It has to be both sides working together equally but it must be enjoyable too/mentally stimulating.#eltchat
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marekandrews
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28/3/2012
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2:46 P.M.
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@antoniaclare @LukeMeddings +then really work with what is being unwrapped and make sure ss know we care about that+attend to it #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:46 P.M.
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RT @rliberni: @ShellTerrell I think there's a lot of treadmill in ELT (& edu generally), often exam driven - more bits of paper #eltchat
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trylingual
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28/3/2012
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2:46 P.M.
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@jimscriv Build on it. DHT has obviously got some traction here. Would love to see it documented so it spread further. #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:46 P.M.
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How can we get teacher training progs to be more supportive & exemplify how we can do HD vs teaching us how to teach grammar, etc? #ELTchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:46 P.M.
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One interesting thing is that I suspect many/most on here at #eltchat are already "demanding". But there is a massive world out there ...
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rliberni
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28/3/2012
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2:46 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell I think there's a lot of treadmill in ELT (& edu generally), often exam driven - more bits of paper #eltchat
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yearinthelifeof
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28/3/2012
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2:46 P.M.
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@trylingual @jimscriv But commandments eventually lead you to doing things for sake of the commandment - why not embrace a spirit #eltchat
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:47 P.M.
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#eltchat Think there is a link to 'assessment for learning' in mainstream education- tho that is also being reduced to ofsted tickboxing
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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2:47 P.M.
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@jimscriv That's the case every week, but here's where it starts! #eltchat
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:47 P.M.
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#eltchat Think there is a link to 'assessment for learning' in mainstream education- tho that is also being reduced to ofsted tickboxing
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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2:47 P.M.
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@jimscriv That's the case every week, but here's where it starts! #eltchat
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:47 P.M.
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@Marisa_C @BrunoELT Sorry, ... I'm lost. Are we talking physical movements? too much happening this #eltchat
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:47 P.M.
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@Marisa_C @BrunoELT Sorry, ... I'm lost. Are we talking physical movements? too much happening this #eltchat
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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2:47 P.M.
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RT @fionamau: @ShellTerrell #eltchat Schools need 2 motivate their teachers & supprt their PD.A demotivated, blasΓ© or 'lost' teacher can't demand anything
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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2:47 P.M.
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RT @fionamau: @ShellTerrell #eltchat Schools need 2 motivate their teachers & supprt their PD.A demotivated, blasΓ© or 'lost' teacher can't demand anything
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ElkySmith
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28/3/2012
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2:47 P.M.
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@Marisa_C @BrunoELT #eltchat I think Ts sit and wait for PD to come to them. They often don't know where or when to start.
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louisealix68
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28/3/2012
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2:47 P.M.
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@jimscriv you're welcome to come see us over here and see if we're the same #eltchat
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fionamau
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28/3/2012
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2:47 P.M.
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RT @ShellTerrell: RT @rliberni: I think there's a lot of treadmill in ELT (& edu generally), often exam driven - more bits of paper #eltchat
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yearinthelifeof
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28/3/2012
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2:47 P.M.
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@jimscriv Only problem with #eltchat = preaching to the converted
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fionamau
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28/3/2012
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2:47 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell #eltchat Schools need 2 motivate their teachers & supprt their PD.A demotivated, blasΓ© or 'lost' teacher can't demand anything
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:47 P.M.
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RT @rliberni: I think there's a lot of treadmill in ELT (& edu generally), often exam driven - more bits of paper #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:47 P.M.
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I observe Ts round world. The vast majority of lessons are low-demand, fluffy, praise-inflated. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:48 P.M.
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@ElkySmith but isn't that the fault of 'demand-low" insitutions? #eltchat
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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2:48 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: I observe Ts round world. The vast majority of lessons are low-demand, fluffy, praise-inflated. #eltchat
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:48 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: @jimscriv too true - but many of us involved in teacher ed programmes so a good topic for us to reflect on #eltchat
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:48 P.M.
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RT @marekandrews: @LukeMeddings+then really work with what is being unwrapped and make sure ss know we care about that+attend to it #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:48 P.M.
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@rliberni Or when I hear a teacher say they have to stick to a coursebk or syllabus or they get into a lot of trouble #ELTChat
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fionamau
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28/3/2012
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2:48 P.M.
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@rliberni #eltchat Exactly. The 'enemy' isn't fun, fluffy classes, it's demotivating, distracting admin! Teacher focus is diverted to grades
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:48 P.M.
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RT @ElkySmith: @Marisa_C @BrunoELT #eltchat I think Ts sit and wait for PD to come to them. They often don't know where or when to start.
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RchTodaysLrnr
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28/3/2012
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2:48 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell we need to promote from within OUR ranks, speaking long-term. #ELTChat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:48 P.M.
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RT @yearinthelifeof: @jimscriv Only problem with #eltchat = preaching to the converted - true but if the converted can go & convert
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ElkySmith
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28/3/2012
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2:48 P.M.
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@yearinthelifeof #eltchat Hmm…there are a few different perspectives here...
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JoshSRound
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28/3/2012
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2:48 P.M.
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RT @ElkySmith: @Marisa_C @BrunoELT #eltchat I think Ts sit and wait for PD to come to them. They often don't know where or when to start.
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rliberni
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28/3/2012
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2:48 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell I'm lucky in that I drive my own train so everything I do is negotiated with the learners I have :-) #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:48 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell One of the aims we have IS to influence institutions. eg I'm doing opening plenary for EAQUALS next month. #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:48 P.M.
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@rliberni I agree Berni! It frustrates me, especially when I hear some Tchrs say their DOS have intercom on class to spy #ELTChat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:48 P.M.
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@rliberni I agree Berni! It frustrates me, especially when I hear some Tchrs say their DOS have intercom on class to spy #ELTChat
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touqo
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28/3/2012
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2:48 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: One interesting thing is that I suspect many/most on here at #eltchat are already "demanding". But there is a massive world out there ...
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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2:49 P.M.
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RT @ShellTerrell Or when I hear a teacher say they have to stick to a coursebk/syllabus or they get into a lot of truble #ELTChat been there
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eltbakery
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28/3/2012
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2:49 P.M.
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@LizziePinard True! There's still this struggle. But it's possible to make changes inside the classroom and cope w institutions #eltchat
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tarabenwell
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28/3/2012
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2:49 P.M.
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@yearinthelifeof I hope to wear my #ELTChat tshirt at TESOL convention. Last time I went only a handful were even tweeting.
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AnthonyGaughan
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28/3/2012
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2:49 P.M.
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@jimscriv do you think that is what they expect you as observer would "demand" of them? #eltchat #fluffyteaching
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createch1
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28/3/2012
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2:49 P.M.
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The only way is constant PD @bethanyvsmith: teachers teach the way they were taught, 1 cycle we try to break in teacher Ed. #ELTChat"
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:49 P.M.
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RT @fionamau: #eltchat Schools need 2 motivate their teachers & supprt their PD.A demotivated, blasΓ© or 'lost' teacher can't demand anything
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louisealix68
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28/3/2012
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2:49 P.M.
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RT @fionamau: @rliberni #eltchat Exactly. The 'enemy' isn't fun, fluffy classes, it's demotivating, distracting admin! Teacher focus is diverted to grades
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trylingual
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28/3/2012
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2:50 P.M.
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RT @ElkySmith: @Marisa_C #eltchat Partly but in my experience Ts can take control even when the boss doesn't.
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fionamau
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28/3/2012
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2:50 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell #eltchat Hard in a sector where too many institutions r concerned abt bums on seats not quality. Like mobile phone companies
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:50 P.M.
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RT @eltbakery: True! There's still this struggle. But it's possible to make changes inside the classroom and cope w institutions #eltchat
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ElkySmith
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28/3/2012
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2:50 P.M.
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@Marisa_C #eltchat Partly but in my experience Ts can take control even when the boss doesn't.
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:50 P.M.
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I think Ts teach the way they believe they're asked to teach. The fault is not with Ts - it's in us: our training, inspections etc #eltchat
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yearinthelifeof
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28/3/2012
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2:50 P.M.
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@Shaunwilden @jimscriv Good point... that I was about to make :-) #eltchat
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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2:50 P.M.
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RT @JoHart: #ELTchat Inst issues everywhere! focus so much on "bums on seats" not on edu/learning - same here in Voc Ed literacy
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:50 P.M.
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RT @BrunoELT: start in class! Students will feel the diff and when another teacher comes they will ask for it! #ELTchat
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:50 P.M.
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RT @fionamau: @rliberni #eltchat Exactly.'enemy' isn't fun, fluffy classes, it's dmotivating, distracting admin! T focus diverted 2 grades
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JoHart
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28/3/2012
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2:50 P.M.
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#ELTchat Inst issues everywhere! focus so much on "bums on seats" not on edu/learning - same here in Voc Ed literacy
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rliberni
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28/3/2012
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2:50 P.M.
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Maybe the models are all wrong - start any Monday, must do an elt exam at the end etc etc.. #eltchat
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fionamau
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28/3/2012
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2:51 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell #eltchat Getting + students into the classes matters more than quality etc offered 2 existing students. The 'Gotcha Culture'.
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BodyLogique
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28/3/2012
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2:51 P.M.
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RT @andressatech: Our students are capable of great things if we don't understimate them #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:51 P.M.
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Agree! RT @rliberni: we shouldn't accept that kind of behavior it's hardly motivating! & very distracting. #eltchat
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JoHart
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28/3/2012
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2:51 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell @fionamau #ELTchat schools edu inst esp public ones need to get & signs out of eyes!
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:51 P.M.
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RT @RchTodaysLrnr: we need to promote from within OUR ranks, speaking long-term. #ELTChat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:51 P.M.
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RT @rliberni: I'm lucky in that I drive my own train so everything I do is negotiated with the learners I have :-) #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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2:51 P.M.
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RT @rliberni: @ShellTerrell Lucky in that I drive my own train so everything I do is negotiated with my learners #eltchat > Me too, whoowhoo
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louisealix68
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28/3/2012
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2:51 P.M.
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thanks guys - outta here. Skype with supervisor. #eltchat
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yearinthelifeof
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28/3/2012
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2:51 P.M.
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RT @tarabenwell: @yearinthelifeof I hope to wear my #ELTChat tshirt at TESOL convention. Last time I went only a handful were even tweeting.
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:51 P.M.
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Thanks Jim! RT @jimscriv: 1 of the aims we have IS to influence institutions. eg I'm doing opening plenary for EAQUALS next month. #eltchat
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phil3wade
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28/3/2012
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2:52 P.M.
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@jimscriv Too many steps,procedures,rules etc.No space for developing T's or Stdts #eltchat
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ElkySmith
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28/3/2012
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2:52 P.M.
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@jimscriv True. Teachers carry around a lot of assumptions - DoSes need to investigate, identify and challenge these regularly. #eltchat
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rliberni
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28/3/2012
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2:52 P.M.
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RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Marisa_C: So this is a grassroots Reform movement you and i and all ts can introduce #ELTchat
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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2:52 P.M.
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RT @antoniaclare: @BrunoELT @Marisa_C Perhaps we need to ensure that the institutions know how to recognise (+promote) gd teaching #eltchat
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rliberni
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28/3/2012
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2:52 P.M.
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@theteacherjames Lol #eltchat
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yearinthelifeof
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28/3/2012
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2:52 P.M.
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RT @JoHart: #ELTchat Inst issues everywhere! focus so much on "bums on seats" not on edu/learning - same here in Voc Ed literacy
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:52 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: So this is a grassroots Reform movement you and i and all ts can introduce #ELTchat
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:52 P.M.
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@BrunoELT @Marisa_C Perhaps we need to ensure that the institutions know how to recognise (+promote) gd teaching #eltchat
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eltbakery
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28/3/2012
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2:52 P.M.
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True @BrunoELT Starting inside the classroom and then showing colleagues & institution the benefits of change. #eltchat
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phil3wade
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28/3/2012
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2:52 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell @BrunoELT I used 2 get students transferring 2 my BE/EAP class just cos they wanted to be challenged.I never knew why #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:52 P.M.
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So this is a grassroots Reform movement you and i and all ts can introduce #ELTchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:52 P.M.
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RT @ArcadianTrail: Yes and in most cases all we rate the kids on is how well they stay on the treadmill!! #eltchat
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createch1
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28/3/2012
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2:52 P.M.
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It's not about qualifications but we need to find useful ways to evaluate what it's meaningful for sts to learn #eltchat"
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rliberni
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28/3/2012
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2:52 P.M.
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@teflerinha many elt models are 'throughput driven, bums on seats - must be better models we can find which allow us to do better #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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2:53 P.M.
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@jimscriv It's only the lazier teachers who will reject DHT. Who wouldn't want to make their job more interesting? #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:53 P.M.
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@fionamau @rliberni I'd just like to give more concrete help to Tchrs I train who tell me they can't bcuz of that kind of fear #ELTChat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:53 P.M.
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@Marisa_C It is intended as a "Push" campaign - to try and get discussion going, people thinking, courses changing,better lessons! #eltchat
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rliberni
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28/3/2012
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2:53 P.M.
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@Shaunwilden personally I think change will be grassroots but we can't just grumble we need to find other ways that work better #eltchat
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michaelegriffin
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28/3/2012
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2:53 P.M.
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how will I know if I am getting my hands dirty? #ELTchat
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trylingual
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28/3/2012
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2:53 P.M.
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Have to run (to bed). Great topic. Thanks @jimscriv. #eltchat #qldelt
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:54 P.M.
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@feedtheteacher @rliberni You weren't only one who told me this. I've heard same from others :( #ELTChat
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AnthonyGaughan
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28/3/2012
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2:54 P.M.
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RT @michaelegriffin how will I know if I am getting my hands dirty? When Ls lean back in chairs after class with tired happy faces #ELTchat
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fionamau
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28/3/2012
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2:54 P.M.
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#eltchat Also training can b too 'fluffy' -I always feel like Bad Cop on TT courses, cz I give Distinction rarely & expect a high level 4 it
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antoniaclare
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28/3/2012
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2:54 P.M.
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Great chatting to you all #eltchat See you later ;)
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:54 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Part of the aim is to address schools, ministries, quality boards etc and ask difficult qs of them. #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:54 P.M.
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@fionamau @rliberni They want to try to be better for their learners but then they are held under tight microscope #ELTChat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:54 P.M.
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Part of the aim is to address schools, ministries, quality boards etc and ask difficult qs of them. #eltchat
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eltbakery
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28/3/2012
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2:54 P.M.
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Experienced and Senior teachers have more 'credibility' in my institution to promote change. New Ts are constantly being observed #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:54 P.M.
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@jimscriv I think you're talking to the right #eltchat crowd
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tarabenwell
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28/3/2012
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2:54 P.M.
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@LizziePinard @ShellTerrell I'm sure I will hear that concern over and over from American teachers over the next few days. :) #ELTChat
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:54 P.M.
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#eltchat In FE obs points given for explaining H&S, writing objs on board etc but not much attempt to look at quality of teaching
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harrisonmike
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28/3/2012
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2:55 P.M.
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@PatrickAndrews @jimscriv Definitely =) #eltchat
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JoHart
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28/3/2012
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2:55 P.M.
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@rliberni #ELTchat even here where we have outcomes/evidence based there is still tendency to turn everything into exam/test
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rliberni
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28/3/2012
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2:55 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell (make themselves indispensable then try & change stuff) a la Linchpin? #eltchat
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BobK99
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28/3/2012
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2:55 P.M.
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RT @antoniaclare: Great chatting to you all #eltchat See you later ;) !Same here - thyanks esp. to mods b
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michaelegriffin
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28/3/2012
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2:55 P.M.
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@AnthonyGaughan I like the sound (image) of that! Cheers! #ELTchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:55 P.M.
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RT @phil3wade: I used 2 get students transferring 2 my BE/EAP class just cos they wanted to be challenged. I never knew why #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:55 P.M.
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Most schools, parents, clients would like more demanding teaching, I suspect. Though "fun" has become the norm. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:55 P.M.
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RT @michaelegriffin how will I know if I am getting my hands dirty? When Ls lean back in chairs after class with tired happy faces #ELTchat
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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2:55 P.M.
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@jimscriv the low-demand policy in order to keep "clients"/st happy.Schools as profitable business other than a place to educate #eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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28/3/2012
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2:55 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Part of the aim is to address schools, ministries, quality boards etc and ask difficult qs of them. #eltchat
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rliberni
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28/3/2012
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2:55 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell they need to be empowered to do brilliant things within the restrictions I guess. #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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2:55 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: So this is a grassroots Reform movement you and i and all ts can introduce #ELTchat >> I love a good grassroots movement!!
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esolcourses
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28/3/2012
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2:55 P.M.
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RT @Shaunwilden: RT @jimscriv: Part of the aim is to address schools, ministries, quality boards etc and ask difficult qs of them. #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:56 P.M.
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@BrunoELT LOL! Hmmmmm? Do I win a prize for guessing correctly? #ELTChat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:56 P.M.
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RT @fionamau: #eltchat Trainers can b afraid 2 stomp on trainees egos -knock-on effect inclassm. 'Aim high' should be a life philosophy.
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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2:56 P.M.
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RT @fionamau: #eltchat Trainers cn b afraid 2 stomp on trainees egos - has a knock-on effect in classroom. Aim high shld B a life philosphy.
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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2:56 P.M.
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@ElkySmith Those are the people we need to motivate or get out of our profession! #eltchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:56 P.M.
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@michaelegriffin You will feel it. Uncertainty. Having to think rather than auto-pilot. A real conversation. #eltchat
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SimonGreenall
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28/3/2012
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2:56 P.M.
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#eltchat @jimscriv And part of our job is to make sure we train the people who end up in ministries with right skills set to do their job
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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2:56 P.M.
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RT @fionamau: #eltchat Trainers can b afraid 2 stomp on trainees egos - has a knock-on effect in the classroom. '
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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2:56 P.M.
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#eltchat i think the supportive element of DHT is V V important
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:56 P.M.
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RT @rliberni: they need to be empowered to do brilliant things within the restrictions I guess. #eltchat
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jenverschoor
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28/3/2012
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2:56 P.M.
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RT @BrunoELT: #ELTchat Hello everyone! Too late?> CanΒ΄t join you IΒ΄m in class. Have fun :-)
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:56 P.M.
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@tarabenwell Tara!!! Wish I was there to give you hug & say hi! But you can see @jimscriv in person! I think he's at TESOL #ELTChat
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fionamau
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28/3/2012
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2:56 P.M.
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#eltchat Trainers can b afraid 2 stomp on trainees egos - has a knock-on effect in the classroom. 'Aim high' should be a life philosophy.
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:57 P.M.
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RT @rliberni: I personally set out to try and get every learner to be the best they can be #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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2:57 P.M.
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@AnthonyGaughan thanks we do have a volunteer but a second summary of such a rich chat would also be lovely #eltchat
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AnthonyGaughan
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28/3/2012
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2:57 P.M.
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RT @fionamau: #eltchat Trainers can b afraid 2 stomp on trainees egos - has a knock-on effect in the classroom. 'Aim high' should be a life philosophy.
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:57 P.M.
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RT @bethanyvsmith: it's also about changing preservice teachers perceptions of what teaching is & precedence for lifelong learning #eltchat
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AnthonyGaughan
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28/3/2012
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2:57 P.M.
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@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @jimscriv I volunteer to write the summary for this one if noone else *demands* it #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:57 P.M.
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RT @rliberni: make themselves indispensable then try & change stuff) a la Linchpin? #eltchat
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rliberni
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28/3/2012
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2:57 P.M.
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@JoHart such a drag freedom from exam allows so much more, let the learners choose if they want the exam (talking adults here) #eltchat
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ElkySmith
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28/3/2012
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2:57 P.M.
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@theteacherjames #eltchat Indeed :-)
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rliberni
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28/3/2012
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2:58 P.M.
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RT @theteacherjames: @jimscriv Absolutely. Most sts want to learn, they want to be taught & they expect to do some work! #eltchat yes !
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JoHart
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28/3/2012
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2:58 P.M.
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@rliberni #ELTchat Yes! I gather evidence throughout for lit but do so in spite of the demands of my inst -as long as I can evidence is OK
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eltbakery
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28/3/2012
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2:58 P.M.
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Agreed @Marisa_C A second summary would be perfect. #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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2:58 P.M.
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@jimscriv Absolutely. Most sts want to learn, they want to be taught & they expect to do some work! #eltchat
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ellenevhe
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28/3/2012
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2:58 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: RT @fionamau: #eltchat Trainers can b afraid 2 stomp on trainees egos -knock-on effect inclassm. 'Aim high' should be a life philosophy.
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marekandrews
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28/3/2012
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2:59 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell @bethanyvsmith #eltchat +getting pre-service trainees to reflect on+collect examples ofhow they weren't challenged+how it felt
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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2:59 P.M.
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@feedtheteacher This is the "baked bean" factory approach to education #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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2:59 P.M.
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An incredible #ELTChat Huge thanks to @jimscriv for challenging us & for the support of awesome moderators @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @rliberni
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yearinthelifeof
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28/3/2012
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2:59 P.M.
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Thanks to @jimscriv and all at #eltchat today - good session
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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2:59 P.M.
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#eltchat most ss want someone to believe they can and push them in the direction to achieve it
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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2:59 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: @michaelegriffin You will feel it. Uncertainty. Having to think rather than auto-pilot. A real conversation. #eltchat
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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2:59 P.M.
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@jimscriv the need for certification will often seem more than the need for quality, so the faster the st graduates the better #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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3:00 P.M.
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@RchTodaysLrnr LOL! Hmmm I'm trying to gain the force from Yoda & use Jedi Mind tricks ;-) #ELTChat
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LizziePinard
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28/3/2012
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3:00 P.M.
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#eltchat @jimscriv thanks all great session! i look forward to summarising :-)
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ElkySmith
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28/3/2012
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3:00 P.M.
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#eltchat Thank you very much Jim, ELTChat people and everyone else.
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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3:00 P.M.
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RT @ShellTerrell: An incredible #ELTChat Huge thanks to @jimscriv for challenging us & for the support of awesome moderators @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @rliberni
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AnthonyGaughan
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28/3/2012
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3:00 P.M.
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@yearinthelifeof by looking at them as individuals and not homogenizing expectations for whole class #eltchat #lockstepkillsdevelopment
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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3:00 P.M.
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Many thanks to @jimscriv and to all #ELTchat participants for joining in this great conversation!
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great_gracious
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28/3/2012
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3:00 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Delta courses "should" go there - but are so wound up in stress and checklists that they tend not to. #eltchat
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teflerinha
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28/3/2012
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3:00 P.M.
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#eltchat Thanks everyone! Enjoyed it, thought tweetdeck seemed overwhelmed at times- frustrating when can't fire tweet off
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RchTodaysLrnr
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28/3/2012
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3:00 P.M.
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on a lighter note @ShellTerrell, I hear hypnosis works wonders... We could always try that for a quick fix #eltchat
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nickkiley
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28/3/2012
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3:01 P.M.
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Very interesting discussion. Thanks @jimscriv - you achieved the thought-provocation. Unfortunately, missed second half #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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3:01 P.M.
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Huge thanks to @theteacherjames our podcast extraordinaire & @LizziePinard for volunteering to do the #ELTChat summary
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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3:01 P.M.
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That was overwhelming. Thanks for all the flood of comments. It seems that there may be something here worth arguing for. #eltchat
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SimonGreenall
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28/3/2012
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3:01 P.M.
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@jimscriv #ELTchat Many thanks too. and to the moderators @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @rliberni and @ShellTerrell
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touqo
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28/3/2012
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3:01 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: @feedtheteacher This is the "baked bean" factory approach to education #eltchat
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great_gracious
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28/3/2012
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3:01 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Demand-high is the business of in-service development, peer observation, action research, supportive observations etc #eltchat
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JoHart
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28/3/2012
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3:01 P.M.
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@rliberni @theteacherjames @jimscriv #ELTchat - lucky you guys! Most of mine disengaged young literacy not ESL - often compelled 2 enrol :)
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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3:02 P.M.
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@ShellTerrell Thanks :-) #ELTChat
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michaelegriffin
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28/3/2012
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3:02 P.M.
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MT @jimscriv: You'll feel it.Uncertainty.Having to think rather than auto-pilot.A real conversation >Thx!Will look 4 this tomorrow #ELTchat
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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3:02 P.M.
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Apologies to people whose comments I missed and didn't respond to. They seemed to be rolling in faster than I could read. #eltchat
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eltbakery
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28/3/2012
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3:02 P.M.
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Thank you @jimscriv and everyone. Lots of things to think about and post-chat reflections coming up in many blogs that's for sure! #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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3:02 P.M.
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@jimscriv There definitely is Jim. thanks for chatting with us today & making us think. #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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3:02 P.M.
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RT @SimonGreenall: @jimscriv #ELTchat Many thanks too. and to the moderators @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @rliberni and @ShellTerrell
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rliberni
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28/3/2012
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3:02 P.M.
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@BrunoELT tbh it should all be of a standard but not sure it is #eltchat
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fionamau
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28/3/2012
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3:02 P.M.
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It's fair to say that was a Demand High #eltchat !! Sincerely regret leaving my glasses in the bedroom....
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feedtheteacher
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28/3/2012
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3:02 P.M.
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Thank you all for a great conversation. Loads to consider and I am looking forward to the summary #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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3:02 P.M.
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@jimscriv Thanks for taking the time to join us Jim #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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3:02 P.M.
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RT @marekandrews: #eltchat +getting pre-service trainees to reflect on+collect examples ofhow they weren't challenged+how it felt
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ElkySmith
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28/3/2012
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3:02 P.M.
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@jimscriv #eltchat Best of luck in taking this to the higher powers - you're fighting the good fight :-)
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JoHart
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28/3/2012
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3:02 P.M.
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#ELTchat ... do so want my learners to get motivations from somewhere somehow so keep trying ANYTHING!!
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esolcourses
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28/3/2012
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3:02 P.M.
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RT @Marisa_C: Many thanks to @jimscriv & all #ELTchat participants for joining in this gr8 conversation ] & to mods @Marisa_C & @Shaunwilden
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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3:02 P.M.
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A furious hour, am sure there will be plenty of follow up over next few days -transcript will be up soon and summaries soon after #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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3:03 P.M.
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@jimscriv We will have a summary posted and a transcript up so if there is further discussion we can take it to the blog #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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28/3/2012
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3:03 P.M.
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Tonight's #eltchat is How can we use make the most of films/movies inside and outside the classroom? 21.00 BST
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SwanDOS
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28/3/2012
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3:03 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Most schools, parents, clients would like more demanding teaching, I suspect. Though "fun" has become the norm. #eltchat
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marekandrews
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28/3/2012
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3:03 P.M.
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#eltchat thanks to all for a very enjoyable chat.
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LukeMeddings
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28/3/2012
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3:03 P.M.
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RT @ShellTerrell: An incredible #ELTChat Huge thanks to @jimscriv for challenging us & for the support of awesome moderators @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @rliberni
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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3:03 P.M.
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RT @mathiaspoulsen: I agree - fun is often hard (http://t.co/ykL58Lxi), though fun might not always be the most precise description #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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3:04 P.M.
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Beautiful! RT @JoHart: As always love #ELTchat - you guys help me to stay sane in my isolated literacy world :)
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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3:04 P.M.
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RT @fionamau: It's fair to say that was a Demand High #eltchat !! Sincerely regret leaving my glasses in the bedroom....
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fionamau
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28/3/2012
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3:04 P.M.
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RT @Shaunwilden: Tonight's #eltchat is How can we use make the most of films/movies inside and outside the classroom? 21.00 BST
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JoHart
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28/3/2012
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3:04 P.M.
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As always love #ELTchat - you guys help me to stay sane in my isolated literacy world :)
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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3:04 P.M.
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RT @Shaunwilden: @jimscriv Thanks for taking the time to join us Jim #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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28/3/2012
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3:04 P.M.
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RT @Shaunwilden: Tonight's #eltchat is How can we use make the most of films/movies inside and outside the classroom? 21.00 BST
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kristianadi
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28/3/2012
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3:04 P.M.
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RT @ShellTerrell: What can we do to get schools to support high demand teaching & not stick us to a rigid syllabus or benchmarks? #ELTChat
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michaelegriffin
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28/3/2012
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3:04 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: @michaelegriffin You will feel it. Uncertainty. Having to think rather than auto-pilot. A real conversation. #eltchat
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rliberni
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28/3/2012
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3:04 P.M.
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RT @Shaunwilden: Tonight's #eltchat is How can we use make the most of films/movies inside and outside the classroom? 21.00 BST
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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3:05 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Right. Ready for a Demand-High Philly breakfast now! #eltchat > Enjoy TESOL conference & many thanks again!
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AnthonyGaughan
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28/3/2012
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3:05 P.M.
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RT @Shaunwilden: Tonight's #eltchat is How can we use make the most of films/movies inside and outside the classroom? 21.00 BST
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tdsig
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28/3/2012
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3:05 P.M.
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RT @Shaunwilden: Tonight's #eltchat is How can we use make the most of films/movies inside and outside the classroom? 21.00 BST
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jimscriv
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28/3/2012
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3:05 P.M.
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Right. Ready for a Demand-High Philly breakfast now! #eltchat
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eltbakery
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28/3/2012
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3:05 P.M.
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LOL Very true! RT @AnthonyGaughan: RT @fionamau It's fair to say that was a Demand High #eltchat !!
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AnthonyGaughan
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28/3/2012
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3:05 P.M.
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RT @fionamau It's fair to say that was a Demand High #eltchat !!
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Evry1attheTable
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28/3/2012
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3:06 P.M.
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RT @barbsaka: Don't dare to teach if you aren't willing to learn (from @rliberni) #eltchat #iatefl
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michaelegriffin
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28/3/2012
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3:06 P.M.
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Thanks all (especially @jimscriv and fantastic mods) for interesting, engaging and demanding #ELTchat #ELTchat
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createch1
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28/3/2012
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3:06 P.M.
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Congrats for your ELTon nomination :) This was my first #eltchat while walking to work. Challenging but wothwhile.
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NickCoxinPurley
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28/3/2012
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3:06 P.M.
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RT @jimscriv: Part of the aim is to address schools, ministries, quality boards etc and ask difficult qs of them. #eltchat
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seburnt
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28/3/2012
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3:06 P.M.
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A step towards critical thinking http://t.co/AaSoGNjj #ELTchat #EAPchat
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yearinthelifeof
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28/3/2012
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3:07 P.M.
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RT @seburnt: A step towards critical thinking http://t.co/AaSoGNjj #ELTchat #EAPchat
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JoHart
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28/3/2012
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3:08 P.M.
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@Marisa_C @nickkiley @rliberni @BrunoELT @LizziePinard @yearinthelifeof @fionamau Thank you for RTs - sanity is a PLN inc #ELTchat :)
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AnthonyGaughan
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28/3/2012
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3:08 P.M.
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@jimscriv wow - all that before breakfast?! #maximumrespectisdue #eltchat
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michaelegriffin
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28/3/2012
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3:09 P.M.
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@AnneHendler Lots of talk about praise on today's #ELTchat will hit you with links when they become available
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JoHart
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28/3/2012
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3:09 P.M.
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@AnthonyGaughan #ELTchat - "Chuckle" after dinner for me :)
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pennyhands
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28/3/2012
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3:09 P.M.
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Great format for #eltchat today. Guest proposes a hypothesis, and elt-chatters contribute, agree, disagree, develop.
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TimePlanEd
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28/3/2012
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3:10 P.M.
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RT @andressatech: Our students are capable of great things if we don't understimate them #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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3:10 P.M.
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@JoHart u have a way with words mwah! #ELTchat
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JoHart
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28/3/2012
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3:12 P.M.
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@Marisa_C "Grin" Thank you most kindly Ma'm! #ELTchat must admit I loooove words/language - actually makes teachingvbasic lit hard!
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seburnt
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28/3/2012
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3:13 P.M.
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Making Exam Prep Child’s Play (Post-Workshop Round... http://t.co/nvkDUThL via @DaveDodgson #ELTchat #YLchat
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TimePlanEd
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28/3/2012
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3:13 P.M.
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RT @barbsaka: Don't dare to teach if you aren't willing to learn (from @rliberni) #eltchat #iatefl
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eltbakery
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28/3/2012
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3:13 P.M.
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Thank you @Marisa_C and @Shaunwilden and everyone for such an inspiring #ELTChat It's great to be here after 2 long months w the Delta. =]
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theteacherjames
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28/3/2012
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3:14 P.M.
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@sandymillin Sorry! We'll chat about it later, no doubt... ;-) #eltchat
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TimePlanEd
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28/3/2012
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3:14 P.M.
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RT @Shaunwilden: Tonight's #eltchat is How can we use make the most of films/movies inside and outside the classroom? 21.00 BST
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JoHart
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28/3/2012
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3:14 P.M.
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RT @barbsaka: Don't dare to teach if you aren't willing to learn (from @rliberni) #eltchat #iatefl
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english247
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28/3/2012
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3:15 P.M.
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#English for beginners: The Alphabet. Read and listen http://t.co/YPydu50h #esl #esol #efl #kids #eltchat
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Nic_Oddy
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28/3/2012
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3:16 P.M.
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RT @andressatech: Our students are capable of great things if we don't understimate them #eltchat
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Nic_Oddy
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28/3/2012
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3:17 P.M.
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RT @barbsaka: Don't dare to teach if you aren't willing to learn (from @rliberni) #eltchat #iatefl
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Marisa_C
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28/3/2012
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3:17 P.M.
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@JoHart you are always good to have around on #ELTchat - sanity is also widening ur education circles and not just staying in ur small cornr
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