username |
time |
status |
SueAnnan |
9:01 PM |
#ELTchat 2day is "The future of publishing w/ the ELT industry 4 teachers & students" Author, Ts, publishers, come forth! |
Marisa_C |
9:01 PM |
Welcome everyone to #ELTchat - for 1 hr my tweets on the future of ELT publishing - pls join in and follow us - bring friend topic crucial |
mariabossa |
9:01 PM |
#eltchat hello from argentina, smiles 2 u all :) |
shaznosel |
9:01 PM |
@cerirhiannon @Shaunwilden @vickyloras let's tell that to the publishers!!!#eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:02 PM |
@mariabossa Buenos noches!!!#eltchat |
OlegNesterenko |
9:02 PM |
#eltchat hello from Ukraine! |
ncguerreiro |
9:02 PM |
@BrunoELT oops didn't know about #eltchat tonight. what time? |
Marisa_C |
9:02 PM |
@lclandfield devastated he can't attend #ELTchat - was hoping for more authors, rounders, publishers |
Shaunwilden |
9:02 PM |
Ok so the topic is The future of publishing with the ELT industry for Ts & Ss" #eltchat off we go |
AnnLoseva |
9:02 PM |
RT@SueAnnan: #ELTchat 2day is "The future of publishing w/ the ELT industry 4 teachers & students" Author, Ts, publishers, come forth! |
mariabossa |
9:02 PM |
@Marisa_C thanks!! :) #eltchat |
gret |
9:02 PM |
Hi everyone! So glad to be joining #eltchat! Great topic! |
SueAnnan |
9:03 PM |
@Shaunwilden seems to me that could be a way that publishing is going #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:03 PM |
So can we begin with an opening statement by everyone? What do you think the future holds for ELT publishing? #ELtchat |
harrisonmike |
9:03 PM |
@Marisa_C @lclandfield I'm a rounder in development. But out of action for c. 30 mins. See u in second half #eltchat? |
Shaunwilden |
9:03 PM |
@SueAnnan And me to my ipad :-) #eltchat |
mariabossa |
9:03 PM |
@shaznosel buenas tardes for me, it's 6 pm in argentina :) #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:03 PM |
I downloaded 52 to my kindle #ELTchat |
theteacherjames |
9:03 PM |
Sounds like a juicy #eltchat this evening! |
Shaunwilden |
9:03 PM |
@Marisa_C well i think there are 1 or 2 here #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:04 PM |
RT @rliberni: Maybe more online?#eltchat but not all can access yet |
SueAnnan |
9:04 PM |
@theteacherjames LOL #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:04 PM |
Maybe more online?#eltchat but not all can access yet |
shaznosel |
9:04 PM |
@theteacherjames agree - two side of the coin and all that!! #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:04 PM |
@Shaunwilden @SueAnnan And me to the kindle on my iP@d! #eltchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:04 PM |
RT @AnnLoseva: RT@theteacherjames: Sounds like a juicy #eltchat this evening! - juicy phrasing you're giving) |
Shaunwilden |
9:04 PM |
@SueAnnan I think it works for the resource book but not so sure for courte books etc #eltchat |
AnnLoseva |
9:04 PM |
RT@theteacherjames: Sounds like a juicy #eltchat this evening! - juicy phrasing you're giving) |
Wiktor_K |
9:04 PM |
I think the very fact that #eltchat decided to decide to include "..and students" in the question we're discussing points to a great change |
Shaunwilden |
9:05 PM |
RT @CliveSir: Dunno abt future of paper but together Harmer & Scrivener weigh a ton! #eltchat And so do their books :-) |
AnnLoseva |
9:05 PM |
RT@SueAnnan: I downloaded 52 to my kindle #ELTchat - I envy you and rest who did that, I can't work out a few things with amazon for Russia( |
Marisa_C |
9:05 PM |
@Wiktor_K Actually we hear very little from Ss about what kind of books they like #eltchat |
harrisonmike |
9:05 PM |
@Shaunwilden @SueAnnan if uve tablets and wifi, u don't need a coursebook. Biggest vle out there - the Internet #eltchat |
CliveSir |
9:05 PM |
Dunno abt future of paper but together Harmer & Scrivener weigh a ton! #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:05 PM |
@mariabossa bueno!#eltchat - I ve forgotten all my spanish - aabhg! |
mscro1 |
9:05 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Ok so the topic is The future of publishing with the ELT industry for Ts & Ss" #eltchat off we go |
rliberni |
9:06 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @CliveSir: Dunno abt future of paper but together Harmer & Scrivener weigh a ton! #eltchat And so do their books :-) Lol |
AnnLoseva |
9:06 PM |
RT @Wiktor_K: I think the very fact that #eltchat decided to decide to include "..and students" in the question we're discussing points to a great change |
rliberni |
9:06 PM |
I think more collaboration like wikis and blogs too cheaper. easier to update etc..#eltchat |
mariabossa |
9:06 PM |
@shaznosel it's ok!! don't worry!! smiles :) #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:07 PM |
@Shaunwilden @harrisonmike @SueAnnan But give it a few years & all phones will be smart phones. That'll open things up. #eltchat |
Wiktor_K |
9:07 PM |
@Marisa_C Hmm,I think this is the beginning of a change - when ppl realize who to ask and what Qs to pose to make process more open #eltchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:07 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @BrunoELT @Wiktor_K CBs are by them (the authors)! ;-) #eltchat > some authors are teachers too ;) |
mkofab |
9:07 PM |
RT @mscro1: RT @Shaunwilden: @harrisonmike @SueAnnan Yes but a lot of students dont have tablets and cant afford them #eltchat > true, me neither |
harrisonmike |
9:07 PM |
@Shaunwilden @SueAnnan class set is probably more cost effective than a computer lab, if schools are looking that way #eltchat |
ncguerreiro |
9:07 PM |
good evening #eltchat . i reckon ESP is a trend of the future. it's already big, but may grow even bigger. |
harrisonmike |
9:08 PM |
@theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan coursebook on a tiny (relatively) smartphone screen?? No thanks #eltchat |
vickyloras |
9:08 PM |
@Shaunwilden Yep yep! #ELTChat |
sandymillin |
9:08 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan if uve tablets and wifi, u don't need a coursebook. Biggest vle out there - the Internet #eltchat |
ElindaGjondedaj |
9:08 PM |
Hello everyone #ELTCHAT |
mscro1 |
9:08 PM |
My Sts would like less books more tablets or Ipads and so called ebooks but who will pay 4 that #eltchat |
divyabrochier |
9:08 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @harrisonmike @SueAnnan I dont disagree Mike,personally would welcome it but I think we're still a bit behind that as a profession #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:08 PM |
@carl_robinson I think that's the way things are going - but the change is not simultaneous so it will come in waves I giess #ELTchat |
AnnLoseva |
9:08 PM |
RT@rliberni: I think more collaboration like wikis and blogs too cheaper. easier to update etc..#eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:08 PM |
@CliveSir So are books an enviromental issue/an accessory T s need/an essential item?#eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:08 PM |
@theteacherjames not sure I fancy my texts on a smartphone though #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:08 PM |
@harrisonmike @SueAnnan I dont disagree Mike,personally would welcome it but I think we're still a bit behind that as a profession #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:08 PM |
with coursebooks the thing is being current - takes too long to produce etc.. & then a lot is old hat #eltchat |
mariabossa |
9:08 PM |
@mscro1 agree w/u marijana, 2 expensive, even smart phones #eltchat |
harrisonmike |
9:08 PM |
@Shaunwilden also hence no point in ebook coursebooks #eltchat it's a non starter ATM |
carl_robinson |
9:08 PM |
@Shaunwilden Why? it can't be that much of a leap surely? #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
9:09 PM |
@Raquel_EFL we're talking about materials first and authorship second i guess - where and how and then who #eltchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:09 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: interested to know how many still teach. No idea at the moment. #eltchat > me neither! |
Wiktor_K |
9:09 PM |
@carl_robinson @Marisa_C Wrote a few words on that (and giving the iBooks author a try these days): http://t.co/UZUo9zi3 #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
9:09 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @carl_robinson I think that's the way things are going - but the change is not simultaneous so it will come in waves I giess #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
9:09 PM |
RT @mscro1: My Sts would like less books more tablets or Ipads and so called ebooks but who will pay 4 that #eltchat |
divyabrochier |
9:09 PM |
RT @sandymillin: #eltchat I think a lot of students are still much more comfortable w. paper books. Maybe as SS at school now come thru this will change |
shaznosel |
9:09 PM |
RT @mscro1: RT @Shaunwilden: @harrisonmike @SueAnnan Yes but a lot of students dont have tablets and cant afford them #eltchat > true, me neither |
SueAnnan |
9:09 PM |
@harrisonmike with you on that MIke #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:09 PM |
@cerirhiannon I was waiting for that! I'd be genuinely interested to know how many still teach. No idea at the moment. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:09 PM |
@carl_robinson Well coming from ther PLS side of things, I just dont think most can afford the tech (yet) #eltchat |
carl_robinson |
9:10 PM |
@Shaunwilden #ELTchat I agree about the affordability, but we are seeing more MoEs out there seeking and offering funding for tech... |
CliveSir |
9:10 PM |
RT @rliberni: I think we need to consider that not everybody has internet access or even electricity all the time tho #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:10 PM |
RT @naomishema: I'm puzzled - whether its in print or on a Ipad some publisher is still preparing the content & it will cost money to use,no? #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:10 PM |
@harrisonmike @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan But you're thinking about books you know on phones you know. Who knows what the future holds. #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:10 PM |
RT @Wiktor_K: @carl_robinson @Marisa_C Wrote a few words on that (and giving the iBooks author a try these days): http://t.co/UZUo9zi3 #eltchat |
CliveSir |
9:10 PM |
@shaznosel paper books (and a helluva lot of photocopying) are still essentials on my celta course #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:10 PM |
@carl_robinson On other hand I think that it is ready for the teachers as shown by 52 &people who are now putting up resources etc #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:10 PM |
I'm puzzled - whether its in print or on a Ipad some publisher is still preparing the content & it will cost money to use,no? #eltchat |
mariabossa |
9:10 PM |
@Marisa_C for sure, not the goverment, at least here in Argentina #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:11 PM |
RT @mscro1: @mariabossa yes I agree, love paper books, but am all 4 ebooks as well #eltchat > what about the Ss? What do they love? |
mkofab |
9:11 PM |
RT @mscro1: @mariabossa yes I agree, love paper books, but am all 4 ebooks as well #eltchat |
sandymillin |
9:11 PM |
RT @rliberni: I think we need to consider that not everybody has internet access or even electricity all the time tho #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
9:11 PM |
@mariabossa #ELTchat That's interesting, Maria. Do you mean paper books, or 'books' as a concept (ie poss digital?) |
theteacherjames |
9:11 PM |
@harrisonmike @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan Screens might get bigger, books might get smaller, content can change, consumption can change. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:11 PM |
@theteacherjames "who knows what the future holds' #eltchat > some indications already out there I think |
mscro1 |
9:11 PM |
@mariabossa yes I agree, love paper books, but am all 4 ebooks as well #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:11 PM |
@Raquel_EFL I think it is a wide ranging topic #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:11 PM |
Just look at things such as onestopenglish. You can download whole lessons, without needing a coursebook #ELTchat |
rliberni |
9:11 PM |
@naomishema yes but should be cheaper online & more flexible #eltchat |
mariabossa |
9:11 PM |
#eltchat books will be forever, even if we go online all the time |
mariabossa |
9:12 PM |
@Marisa_C Ss love whatever thing where they don't have to study! LOL #eltchat |
ncguerreiro |
9:12 PM |
@mariabossa perhaps books with an online collaboration component? #eltchat |
AnnLoseva |
9:12 PM |
@mariabossa #ELTchat I agree and u think that's a good way to go, the improvement should get to content |
naomishema |
9:12 PM |
RT @BrunoELT: Why discussing into what a textbook will become (tables etc). We shld discuss its contente first and foremost #eltchat > right |
theteacherjames |
9:12 PM |
@Marisa_C Sure, but it's really difficult to predict what will happen with any certainty. The future is surprising. #eltchat |
mariabossa |
9:12 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal paper books!! i love them!!! #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:12 PM |
@carl_robinson Well you prob more informed than me, do you think its the future? #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:12 PM |
RT @CliveSir: @shaznosel paper books (and a helluva lot of photocopying) are still essentials on my celta course #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:12 PM |
@Shaunwilden EFL quotes Lol :-) #eltchat |
AnnLoseva |
9:13 PM |
RT@mscro1: @mariabossa yes I agree, love paper books, but am all 4 ebooks as well #eltchat - I'm passionate ab paper books! |
divyabrochier |
9:13 PM |
@theteacherjames @Marisa_C James what would an "ideal" scenario be for you as a teacher in the future? #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:13 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: Just look at things such as onestopenglish. You can download whole lessons, without needing a coursebook #ELTchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:13 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @ncguerreiro: @mariabossa books with an online collaboration component? #eltchat already happening > yes and growing |
OUPELTGlobal |
9:13 PM |
@naomishema @rliberni #ELTchat Yes, it does. Often more because paper and digital content have different costs, as well as diff VAT :-( |
rliberni |
9:13 PM |
RT @mariabossa: #eltchat books will be forever, even if we go online all the time not sure they may become 'vintage items' |
SueAnnan |
9:13 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @ncguerreiro: @mariabossa perhaps books w/ an online collaboration component? #eltchat I think ths is alrdy happening |
cerirhiannon |
9:13 PM |
RT @Wiktor_K: I think it's not about a new phone model or gadget - what ppl didn't have 30yrs ago is the ease to co-work across globe & write sth #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:13 PM |
RT @ncguerreiro: @mariabossa perhaps books with an online collaboration component? #eltchat I think this is already happening |
Wiktor_K |
9:13 PM |
I think it's not about a new phone model or gadget - what ppl didn't have 30yrs ago is the ease to co-work across globe & write sth #eltchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:14 PM |
RT @shaznosel: #eltchat are published books geared to our needs? > what do u think Sharon? |
AnnLoseva |
9:14 PM |
RT @Wiktor_K: I think it's not about a new phone model or gadget - what ppl didn't have 30yrs ago is the ease to co-work across globe & write sth #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:14 PM |
@Marisa_C I think that's the point what will the stds choose? #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:14 PM |
@divyabrochier Blimey, in a 140 characters? Give me a minute! #eltchat |
divyabrochier |
9:14 PM |
@AnnLoseva So am I:) #eltchat |
jankenb2 |
9:14 PM |
@Marisa_C @mscro1 @mariabossa #eltchat I don't have a tablet, but I have a Kindle. I like it for fiction, poetry & pdf's. |
mariabossa |
9:14 PM |
@AnnLoseva sure, at least we'll be 2 who love books #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:14 PM |
RT @shaznosel: #eltchat I think it's the content of the books that matter - not if they are on-line or paper - are published books geared to our needs? |
shaznosel |
9:14 PM |
#eltchat I think it's the content of the books that matter - not if they are on-line or paper - are published books geared to our needs? |
divyabrochier |
9:14 PM |
RT @AnnLoseva: RT@mscro1: @mariabossa yes I agree, love paper books, but am all 4 ebooks as well #eltchat - I'm passionate ab paper books! |
shaznosel |
9:15 PM |
@CliveSir Agree - something about those copies hey!#eltchat |
vmorgana |
9:15 PM |
Hi everybody, sorry for being late! Are u talking about coursebooks? #eltchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:15 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: future would be a website where I can put a co-created 'book' together-an end product #eltchat > nice! |
reasons4 |
9:15 PM |
I hope paper books remain until someone does some hard and fast research into the pedagogical value of technology, #eltchat |
divyabrochier |
9:15 PM |
RT @bamarcia: RT @sandymillin: #eltchat As a student, I couldn't work from a screen all the time, but happy to use it to supplement. > Same here! |
bamarcia |
9:15 PM |
RT @sandymillin: #eltchat As a student, I couldn't work from a screen all the time, but happy to use it to supplement. > Same here! |
rliberni |
9:15 PM |
RT @ncguerreiro: @mariabossa perhaps books with an online collaboration component? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:15 PM |
RT @sandymillin: #eltchat As a student, I couldn't work from a screen all the time, but happy to use it to supplement. me too |
Marisa_C |
9:15 PM |
For me the ideal future would be a website where I can put a co-created 'book' together-an end product rather than a prefab object #eltchat |
sandymillin |
9:15 PM |
#eltchat As a student, I couldn't work from a screen all the time, but happy to use it to supplement. |
mscro1 |
9:15 PM |
@Marisa_C I don't know, I think my are lazy to read at all, but need to change that #eltchat |
divyabrochier |
9:15 PM |
@theteacherjames ha ha::)) #eltchat |
carl_robinson |
9:15 PM |
@Shaunwilden #ELTchat I think it's a force to be reckoned with and will cause change - is what we have now THE future - too diff to say |
theteacherjames |
9:16 PM |
@divyabrochier I would like access to information quickly & without delay for me & sts. iP@d is half way there. #eltchat #notaboutpublishing |
naomishema |
9:16 PM |
#eltchat Different SS have different learning styles. I have teens who DISLIKE working on the computer, would you believe?! |
mscro1 |
9:16 PM |
@jankenb2 gr8 I still don't know what that is, sorry, 2 expensive 4 me, wud like 2 have 1 4 sure, hope soon #eltchat, my Sts wud love that2 |
IHKoeln |
9:16 PM |
@sandymillin Our German students keep asking for books. They can't imagine a class without paper #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:16 PM |
Does anybody still use cassette tapes now? #eltchat or even CDs? |
shaznosel |
9:16 PM |
@ncguerreiro @rliberni @mariabossa these work well - ss love the interactive parts #eltchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:16 PM |
RT @CliveSir: Online books shud not be simply pdfs of paper - they need 2 be interactive, write on page #eltchat |
ncguerreiro |
9:16 PM |
RT @reasons4: I hope paper books remain until someone does some hard and fast research into the pedagogical value of technology, #eltchat |
vickyloras |
9:16 PM |
RT @shaznosel: #eltchat I think it's the content of the books that matter - not if they are on-line or paper - are published books geared to our needs? |
reasons4 |
9:16 PM |
You only have to follow twitter to realise the fickle nature of technologists out there and their new latest toy. #eltchat |
gret |
9:16 PM |
@rliberni @Marisa_C depends on the age group, I guess.. YL/Teens would love to use ipads! Some Adults still prefer paper books. #eltchat |
gret |
9:16 PM |
@rliberni @Marisa_C depends on the age group, I guess.. YL/Teens would love to use ipads! Some Adults still prefer paper books. #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
9:16 PM |
RT @divyabrochier: @theteacherjames @Marisa_C James what would an "ideal" scenario be for you as a teacher in the future? #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
9:16 PM |
RT @divyabrochier: @theteacherjames @Marisa_C James what would an "ideal" scenario be for you as a teacher in the future? #eltchat |
sandymillin |
9:16 PM |
#eltchat As a student, I like books which have culture, stories, history but aren't full of pop culture. Want to get to know the country/ppl |
CliveSir |
9:16 PM |
Online books shud not be simply pdfs of paper - they need 2 be interactive, write on page #eltchat |
Wiktor_K |
9:16 PM |
@shaznosel Sadly, they're not - maybe an answer would be a "modular" book which you could put together & print on demand? #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
9:16 PM |
@ncguerreiro @mariabossa That's a nice idea - what would the online component be?#ELTchat |
ncguerreiro |
9:17 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @sandymillin: #eltchat As a student,Want to get to know the country/ppl > but which country? which pppl? english = the world |
AnnLoseva |
9:17 PM |
RT@mariabossa: @AnnLoseva sure, at least we'll be 2 who love books #ELTchat - but! Do coursebooks really fall in that category of good book? |
kevinmace |
9:17 PM |
books will always be around just like scrolls and stone tablets #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:17 PM |
@SueAnnan yea..where would we doodle without paper??#eltchat |
jankenb2 |
9:17 PM |
@Marisa_C #eltchat When you say co-created, are you arguing for access to CC print material or actually writing/designing an interactive bk? |
sandymillin |
9:17 PM |
@cerirhiannon that's the problem with english! but also an advantage as ss can learn about ppl from all over the world #eltchat |
ncguerreiro |
9:17 PM |
@reasons4 on the other hand, there's no hard n fast research to back up current paper book syllabi either. #eltchat |
ElindaGjondedaj |
9:17 PM |
RT @sandymillin: #eltchat As a student, I like books which have culture, stories, history but aren't full of pop culture. Want to get to know the country/ppl |
Shaunwilden |
9:17 PM |
@reasons4 I dont think its a pedagogical argument, I like my books on my ipad for example others like them on paper :-) #eltchat |
mkofab |
9:17 PM |
RT @rliberni: Does anybody still use cassette tapes now? #eltchat or even CDs?> yes, if content is good I don't see why not |
cerirhiannon |
9:17 PM |
RT @sandymillin: #eltchat As a student,Want to get to know the country/ppl > but which country? which pppl? english = the world |
sandymillin |
9:17 PM |
#eltchat What about printable coursebooks? Guess that's what you already have w/ resource sites, but sth like pick & choose units 2 print |
carl_robinson |
9:17 PM |
RT @shaznosel: #eltchat I think it's the content of the books that matter - not if they are on-line or paper - are published books geared to our needs? |
Marisa_C |
9:17 PM |
@gret welcome greta! I like books too! My problem is I can't find ONE that fits the bill #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
9:18 PM |
@CliveSir Agree. Learning should be interactive. Determining 'good' interaction is a challenge, though? No? #ELTchat |
rliberni |
9:18 PM |
@Marisa_C this is what I try to do with Gapfillers then the stds create their own bank of materials from the resources #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:18 PM |
@reasons4 we still have a lot of those with great content and digitalising them #eltchat |
ncguerreiro |
9:18 PM |
@naomishema i've had that experience, too! #eltchat n there r teens who love pcs but not for studying. |
vickyloras |
9:18 PM |
@rliberni Unbelievable, but I have had to use cassette tapes here for three months : ( #ELTChat |
cerirhiannon |
9:18 PM |
RT @sandymillin: #eltchat definitely an advantage I'd say ;) |
OUPELTGlobal |
9:18 PM |
RT @CliveSir: Online books shud not be simply pdfs of paper - they need 2 be interactive, write on page #eltchat |
divyabrochier |
9:18 PM |
#eltchat, I think ELT publishing will change bec books are becoming less relevant/often too general and people are moving away from that |
Marisa_C |
9:18 PM |
@jankenb2 talking about selection and co-creation of content #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:18 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: For me the ideal future would be a website where I can put a co-created 'book' together-an end product rather than a prefab object #eltchat |
ELTExperiences |
9:19 PM |
@Shaunwilden yes it was. #eltchat |
Wiktor_K |
9:19 PM |
@kevinmace Agreed. TV didn't kill cinema, internet didn't likk TV...it's the way a book is published and though out that can change #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:19 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: @CliveSir Agree. Learning should be interactive. Determining 'good' interaction is a challenge, though? No? #ELTchat |
mariabossa |
9:19 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal online component... same as paper componet #ELTchat |
shaznosel |
9:19 PM |
@cerirhiannon I guess i can see what the writer was trying to achieve but doesn't always work in the classroom..#eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:19 PM |
@ELTExperiences Hi martin, was this your topic? #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:19 PM |
RT @reasons4: I hope paper books remain until someone does some hard and fast research into the pedagogical value of technology, #eltchat |
mscro1 |
9:19 PM |
cannot folow U need to go now #eltchat kids go to bed, night |
mariabossa |
9:19 PM |
@vickyloras don't worry, i still use cassettes as well :) #ELTChat |
sandymillin |
9:19 PM |
@naomishema yep, can believe that. i have a 20-year-old ss who one-finger types and hates computers #eltchat |
ELTExperiences |
9:19 PM |
What about textbooks for teachers? Surely ebooks aimed for teachers are more suitable rather than student ebooks. #eltchat |
AnnLoseva |
9:19 PM |
RT@divyabrochier: #eltchat ELT publishing will change bec books are becoming less relevant/often too general and ppl r moving away from that |
Shaunwilden |
9:19 PM |
@carl_robinson Yes its is hard to say esp given the speed of tech advancement but also on the slow speed of uptake by education #eltchat |
Janetwilson111 |
9:20 PM |
@kevinmace eltchat# but scrolls and stone tabs. are no longer around |
sandymillin |
9:20 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: @CliveSir Agree. Learning should be interactive #ELTchat but does interactive have to mean online? could be real world 2 |
saibef |
9:20 PM |
RT @sandymillin: #eltchat As a student, I like books which have culture, stories, history but aren't full of pop culture. Want to get to know the country/ppl |
mariabossa |
9:20 PM |
RT @gret: @Marisa_C Thanks Marisa! I have the same problem! I end up using different material and/or writing my own… #eltchat |
louisealix68 |
9:20 PM |
digital books need better software for those of use who scribble and highlight! #eltchat |
toulasklavou |
9:20 PM |
Hi everyone!#eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:20 PM |
@ELTExperiences And is there a particular aspect you wanted to discuss? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:20 PM |
@sandymillin #eltchat @naomishema It's a strange time - like women and their roles - the ground is not EVEN yet :-) |
gret |
9:20 PM |
@Marisa_C Thanks Marisa! I have the same problem! I end up using different material and/or writing my own… #eltchat |
Janetwilson111 |
9:20 PM |
RT @kevinmace: books will always be around just like scrolls and stone tablets #eltchat |
ELTExperiences |
9:21 PM |
@Shaunwilden I wanted to see the potential benefits and drawbacks for ebooks in the classroom for both students as well as teachers #eltchat |
AnnLoseva |
9:21 PM |
@divyabrochier #ELTchat books should reflect public's (sts'& tchrs' in our case) preferences & changes in this aspect r too global to ignore |
divyabrochier |
9:21 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @divyabrochier I would like access to information quickly & without delay for me & sts. iP@d is half way there. #eltchat #notaboutpublishing |
jankenb2 |
9:21 PM |
@Marisa_C #eltchat Oh, I though it was digital texts But co-created course material; caches of print/digital resources 2 use in course? Yes. |
gret |
9:21 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal @CliveSir Couldn't agree more! Students can get more involved & learning becomes meaningful! #eltchat |
CliveSir |
9:21 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal I imagine u r right, but that's always role of a good educator, no? #eltchat |
padgets |
9:21 PM |
@BrunoELT #eltchat hi everyone! Just lurking and am proud to say I am moving from the science dept to esl next year! So..I will be here! |
divyabrochier |
9:21 PM |
#eltchat and if you want to "grab a lesson out of a book" as opposed to one you've written yourself... much nicer using current events |
theteacherjames |
9:22 PM |
RT @CliveSir: Online books shud not be simply pdfs of paper - they need 2 be interactive, write on page #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:22 PM |
@cerirhiannon I mean..topics of interest change so quickly, the writers can't keep up s plus the audio or visuals may not be great#eltchat |
alisoniredale |
9:22 PM |
RT @familysimpson: Rt @CliveSir: Online books shud not be simply pdfs of paper - they need 2 be interactive, write on page #eltchat < embed video/audio too! |
jankenb2 |
9:22 PM |
@Raquel_EFL #eltchat Yes, I am studying Turkish and I find that the online tools are great for rote-mem but I prefer printed materials. |
ncguerreiro |
9:22 PM |
#eltchat ebooks make me think of authorship.is it gonna be more democratic? as in common teachers selling w/ no big publisher 2 back'em up? |
louisealix68 |
9:22 PM |
I see future of digital, interactive books with multi spoken translation option. Wonderful! #eltchat |
familysimpson |
9:22 PM |
Rt @CliveSir: Online books shud not be simply pdfs of paper - they need 2 be interactive, write on page #eltchat < embed video/audio too! |
naomishema |
9:22 PM |
My hope 4 a digital future is more space 4 niche publications. There may not B many special ed SS but they need their materials 2! #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:22 PM |
RT @ELTExperiences: I wanted to see the potential benefits & drawbacks for ebooks in the c/room for both sts as well as teachers #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:22 PM |
@mkofab not so easy always to get tape recorders now can you still buy them? not always I mean the physical thing not content #eltchat |
ElindaGjondedaj |
9:22 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @divyabrochier I would like access to information quickly & without delay for me & sts. iP@d is half way there. #eltchat #notaboutpublishing |
vmorgana |
9:22 PM |
@ncguerreiro thanks #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:23 PM |
@AnnLoseva But isnt interactivity the teachers job not the materials? #eltchat |
ELTExperiences |
9:23 PM |
My centre has access to iPads abt 11 and sts love them. If courses could be delivered in conjunction to trad books, that's great. #eltchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:23 PM |
RT @shaznosel: plus the audio or visuals may not be great#eltchat > agree totally that internet content always better for audio and images |
shaznosel |
9:23 PM |
@carl_robinson content is the key word and motivating..#eltchat |
ElindaGjondedaj |
9:23 PM |
RT @familysimpson: Rt @CliveSir: Online books shud not be simply pdfs of paper - they need 2 be interactive, write on page #eltchat < embed video/audio too! |
pennyhands |
9:23 PM |
What do people think about authors self-publishing, and avoiding working with the major publishers? #eltchat |
gret |
9:23 PM |
@padgets @BrunoELT Yay! So excited for you my friend! =) #eltchat |
AnnLoseva |
9:23 PM |
#ELTchat I'm sure interactivity will become key component, and somehow the ability to UPD the content easily |
rliberni |
9:23 PM |
@vickyloras I still use mine too but not easy to find players #eltchat |
Wiktor_K |
9:23 PM |
@AnnLoseva @divyabrochier But the changes are also too hard to respond to globally, no? At least for a paper book...#eltchat |
divyabrochier |
9:23 PM |
@AnnLoseva what do you mean by preference? attractive topics or domain-specific vocab like what you have to work with? #eltchat |
ELTExperiences |
9:24 PM |
@cerirhiannon @shaznosel but ebooks for the iPad can incorporate the Internet with videos and listening as well. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:24 PM |
The one size fits all idea of generic coursebooks is a problem these days#ELTchat |
ncguerreiro |
9:24 PM |
RT @familysimpson: Rt @CliveSir: Online books shud not be simply pdfs of paper - they need 2 be interactive, write on page #eltchat < embed video/audio too! |
ElindaGjondedaj |
9:24 PM |
RT @reasons4: #eltchat the world of technology is too fickle. Publishers should concentrate on good content. Let the maverns play and experiment. |
mariabossa |
9:24 PM |
@Marisa_C 10000000% agree w/u!! #ELTchat |
mkofab |
9:24 PM |
RT @rliberni: Yes, we still have a few at school :-) If I cannot have a room with computer, I use it. Why throw it away? #eltchat |
Wiktor_K |
9:24 PM |
@pennyhands It's now easier and more fun than ever to self-publish :) #eltchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:24 PM |
RT @louisealix68: perhaps good option not think in terms of 'books' but 'articles' or 'chapters'. So ss/tt can pick and choose and compile own books #eltchat |
AnnLoseva |
9:24 PM |
#ELTchat an ELT coursebook differs from a book in general that it does not just tell 1 story once and for all, so it should adapt to reality |
AnnLoseva |
9:24 PM |
#ELTchat an ELT coursebook differs from a book in general that it does not just tell 1 story once and for all, so it should adapt to reality |
vbenevolofranca |
9:24 PM |
RT @CliveSir: Online books shud not be simply pdfs of paper - they need 2 be interactive, write on page #eltchat>ideal combination |
vbenevolofranca |
9:24 PM |
RT @CliveSir: Online books shud not be simply pdfs of paper - they need 2 be interactive, write on page #eltchat>ideal combination |
Marisa_C |
9:24 PM |
On the other hand, I find that I really love some very very old printed books - mainly ones which have powerful contexts/stories #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
9:24 PM |
On the other hand, I find that I really love some very very old printed books - mainly ones which have powerful contexts/stories #ELTchat |
ncguerreiro |
9:24 PM |
RT @pennyhands: What do people think about authors self-publishing, and avoiding working with the major publishers? #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:24 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @reasons4 I dont think its a pedagogical argument, I like my books on my ipad for example others like them on paper :-) #eltchat |
louisealix68 |
9:24 PM |
perhaps good option not think in terms of 'books' but 'articles' or 'chapters'. So ss/tt can pick and choose and compile own books #eltchat |
reasons4 |
9:24 PM |
#eltchat the world of technology is too fickle. Publishers should concentrate on good content. Let the maverns play and experiment. |
SueAnnan |
9:24 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @AnnLoseva But isnt interactivity the teachers job not the materials? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:25 PM |
@cerirhiannon I think more noticeable because content easier to find in other places that is more relevant sometimes #ELTchat |
AnnLoseva |
9:25 PM |
@Shaunwilden #ELTchat hopefully there's a way to be found to make these ends meet&work together one helping the other |
ncguerreiro |
9:25 PM |
@familysimpson @CliveSir n they shouldn't be a step back in methodology! some sites r fill-in-the-blanks only. what's the point! #eltchat |
divyabrochier |
9:25 PM |
@SueAnnan couldn't agree more! #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:25 PM |
@Marisa_C me too but am inclined to think that digital course books easier to adapt to different students #eltchat |
mariabossa |
9:25 PM |
@Marisa_C definitely, yes :) #ELTchat |
divyabrochier |
9:25 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: The one size fits all idea of generic coursebooks is a problem these days#ELTchat |
louisealix68 |
9:25 PM |
@Marisa_C Love books, guard them with my life, move them round the world (much to husband's dismay) but believe future is digital #eltchat |
harrisonmike |
9:25 PM |
@ncguerreiro may be a lack of quality control here #eltchat why something like the round @wetheround might just work |
carl_robinson |
9:25 PM |
@reasons4 to an extent agree. but finding 'agnostic' tech approaches would free up these concerns and allow good content to be done #ELTchat |
divyabrochier |
9:25 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: A powerful story, a memorable context are things that are very hard to find in current printed materials #ELTchat (even tho not authentic) |
Marisa_C |
9:25 PM |
A powerful story, a memorable context are things that are very hard to find in current printed materials #ELTchat (even tho not authentic) |
cerirhiannon |
9:25 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: The one size fits all idea of generic coursebooks is a problem these days#ELTchat > any bigger than it ever was? or the same? |
AnneShirley2011 |
9:25 PM |
#eltchat Interactivity of the books are important, are e-books interactive? |
Shaunwilden |
9:25 PM |
@Wiktor_K @pennyhands And potentially more dangerous #eltchat |
divyabrochier |
9:25 PM |
@AnnLoseva #eltchat I think that's asking a lot of a textbook though... |
jobethsteel |
9:26 PM |
@ncguerreiro @pennyhands I think self-publishing is a great idea. If it's good people will use it. Not so hard anymore either. #eltchat |
AnnLoseva |
9:26 PM |
RT@Marisa_C: A powerful story, a memorable context are things that are very hard to find in current printed materials #ELTchat |
harrisonmike |
9:26 PM |
@theteacherjames true dat! A very good point! #eltchat |
Wiktor_K |
9:26 PM |
@Shaunwilden @pennyhands How so? Never thought of myself as a dangerous man once I'm out of the kitchen ;) #eltchat |
ELTExperiences |
9:26 PM |
@cerirhiannon @SueAnnan and the traditional coursebook fits this aspect. Interactive ebooks are more suited to digital natives #eltchat |
divyabrochier |
9:26 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @harrisonmike @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan What I'm trying to get at is what seems normal today can become outdated with the right tech. #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
9:26 PM |
@AnneShirley2011 they can be, and will be more so with the arrival of ePub3 as a standard, yes! #ELTchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:26 PM |
RT @SueAnnan:I think more noticeable because content easier to find in other places that is more relevant sometimes #ELTchat > yes, agree |
gret |
9:26 PM |
@Marisa_C Totally! Some old paper books are still a must for me! #eltchat |
jankenb2 |
9:26 PM |
@Shaunwilden @ELTExperiences #eltchat Positives of online texts, tools or resources depends on Ts skill, instr. goal, Ss tech literacy etc |
epicenterone |
9:26 PM |
RT @CliveSir: Online books shud not be simply pdfs of paper - they need 2 be interactive, write on page #eltchat |
vbenevolofranca |
9:26 PM |
@Shaunwilden @AnnLoseva Yes, but see it as teacher really as facilitator in class which may be corrollary o ebooks in class #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:26 PM |
@harrisonmike @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan What I'm trying to get at is what seems normal today can become outdated with the right tech. #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:26 PM |
@Wiktor_K print on demand sounds perfect but what t has the time??so the CB is essential for those Ts working 6 hrs a day..#eltchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:26 PM |
@ELTExperiences @shaznosel but copyright issues are huge - much better to source your own - more likely to be uptodate #eltchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:27 PM |
@ELTexperiences some digital CBs are VERY trad ... not the medium, the content, medium not enough to make it new #eltchat |
Wiktor_K |
9:27 PM |
@shaznosel Yes, but 4 DoS to pick modules online 4 perfect coursebook & have it meet Ss needs (e.g. in ESP) - dreamy...#eltchat |
louisealix68 |
9:27 PM |
just asked 16 yr old daughter +15 yr old son - not like idea of digital books in class! (habit?) #eltchat |
ElindaGjondedaj |
9:27 PM |
@AnneShirley2011 you can find interactive textbooks on iPads ibookstore. They differ from simple pdfs #eltchat |
harrisonmike |
9:27 PM |
The immediate future of ELT publishing, pc or tablet or phone, will be app-based. That's the ecosystem ATM #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:27 PM |
RT @reasons4: #eltchat the world of technology is 2 fickle. Publishers shld concentrate on gd content. Let the maverns play & experiment. |
Shaunwilden |
9:27 PM |
@vbenevolofranca Yes i just worry that if pple think the interactivity shld be in the material then it will be all bells & whistles #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:27 PM |
@harrisonmike Ta. That's why I don't like predicting with any certainty. The future is mysterious, & I love it! #eltchat |
mariabossa |
9:27 PM |
@gret some books are a must but impossible to get nowadays :( #eltchat |
ELTExperiences |
9:27 PM |
@cerirhiannon @shaznosel unless publishers start to move towards including their own videos, etc via YouTube #eltchat |
ncguerreiro |
9:27 PM |
RT @AnneShirley2011: #eltchat Interactivity of the books are important, are e-books interactive? |
Shaunwilden |
9:28 PM |
@naomishema This is true in quite a few countries, books have to be approved by the relevant government department #eltchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:28 PM |
RT @jobethsteel: @ncguerreiro @pennyhands self-publishing great idea. If good people will use it. #eltchat > agree but quality so imp |
harrisonmike |
9:28 PM |
#eltchat RT @naomishema: In Israeli schools one can only use ministry sanctioned materials. that means self published books are out! |
gret |
9:28 PM |
@mariabossa Hey Maria! =) I know! Most books are so expensive! Sad, sad #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:28 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @sandymillin #eltchat @naomishema It's a strange time - like women and their roles - the ground is not EVEN yet :-) |
mkofab |
9:28 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: @ELTexperiences some digital CBs are VERY trad ... not the medium, the content, medium not enough to make it new #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:28 PM |
In Israeli schools one can only use ministry sanctioned materials. that means self published books are out! #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:28 PM |
@cerirhiannon i feel sorry for writers sometimes when i see what has happened to their work in the finished product! #ELTCHAT |
Shaunwilden |
9:28 PM |
RT @naomishema: In Israeli schools one can only use ministry sanctioned materials. that means self published books are out! #eltchat |
ELTExperiences |
9:28 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: The immediate future of ELT publishing, pc or tablet or phone, will be app-based. That's the ecosystem ATM #eltchat |
jobethsteel |
9:28 PM |
“@rliberni: @Marisa_C me too but am inclined to think that digital course books easier to adapt to different students #eltchat” |
AnnLoseva |
9:28 PM |
@ELTExperiences @cerirhiannon @sueannan #ELTchat yess, and there will always be the two parties I think |
jankenb2 |
9:28 PM |
@Marisa_C #eltchat How does student blogging fit into this discussion? Blogging is self-authored texts and c/be powerful & relevant content. |
Shaunwilden |
9:28 PM |
@Wiktor_K Well for one sts need to know who wrote the book, also editors do play a large part in guiding material to level etc #eltchat |
ELTExperiences |
9:29 PM |
Should teachers consider to create their own post-study course ebooks for learners so that they can review after course? #eltchat |
Sciencematters |
9:29 PM |
yes for all including sts “@Wiktor_K: @pennyhands It's now easier and more fun than ever to self-publish :) #eltchat” |
cerirhiannon |
9:29 PM |
@ELTExperiences @shaznosel publishers don't have the money/vision/resources (at the moment) to produce right kind of vid material#eltchat |
Wiktor_K |
9:29 PM |
@Shaunwilden OK, agreed. But big publishers are also kinda dangerous here - some coursebooks smell faintly of product placement...#eltchat |
teflerinha |
9:29 PM |
@louisealix68 yes, I agree actually, but think many teachers alrdy do ths w/ a range of CBs plus online stuff & realia #eltchat |
harrisonmike |
9:29 PM |
@carl_robinson good point. More variety than just apps is out there. I think more ppl more familiar with apps though #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:29 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: The one size fits all idea of generic coursebooks is a problem these days#ELTchat YES agree that's why digital is so gr8 |
mariabossa |
9:29 PM |
@gret oh yes! I spent almost 100 US$ in books last week & I only bought 3 books!!! :( #eltchat |
vbenevolofranca |
9:29 PM |
@Shaunwilden Yes like those early power points with sound effects! #eltchat |
louisealix68 |
9:29 PM |
RT @naomishema: In Israeli schools one can only use ministry sanctioned materials. that means self published books are out! #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:29 PM |
@mkofab nor would I, I use them too but we were talking about the future and cassettes (& records went so maybe course books too? #eltchat |
divyabrochier |
9:29 PM |
@harrisonmike I agree but do you think anything else will happen? will publishers try to adapt to the wave of less is more? #eltchat |
mkofab |
9:30 PM |
@rliberni I see. Yes, I think that to some extent they will disappear #eltchat |
harrisonmike |
9:30 PM |
@divyabrochier I say 'no more whistles and bells please. Nope, English grammar in use apps are not welcome for me!' #eltchat |
jankenb2 |
9:30 PM |
@Shaunwilden @naomishema #eltchat Hmmm. The net is the 1st stop for knowledge and how many go deeper than the 3rd hit on Google? |
cerirhiannon |
9:30 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: The immediate future of ELT publishing, pc or tablet or phone, will be app-based. That's the ecosystem ATM #eltchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:30 PM |
@Shaunwilden @vbenevolofranca interactivity in the task design not the bells and whistles? #eltchat |
jobethsteel |
9:30 PM |
@shaznosel @cerirhiannon I always guessed got butchered cos no teacher worth their salt woud really have written some of them #eltchat |
ELT_T2W |
9:30 PM |
Late arrival here! What about more teachers becoming writers? How do you feel about making the transition? #ELTchat |
shaznosel |
9:30 PM |
@ELTExperiences YES! Get a bit more up to date - move with the times - do they ever carry out market research?? on real Ts or ss??#eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:31 PM |
@louisealix68 Me too - even old handouts and lessons!! Gotta clear up!!!!! #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:31 PM |
@ncguerreiro but newer content is so much more than just that #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:31 PM |
@jankenb2 Which brings up also of digital literacy debates and how we as tchrs shld help sts find the right hit #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:31 PM |
#eltchat - can someone explain the concept of self -published books plse! |
Sciencematters |
9:31 PM |
on Australia - very expensive :( “@gret: @mariabossa Hey Maria! =) I know! Most books are so expensive! Sad, sad #eltchat” |
Marisa_C |
9:31 PM |
@jankenb2 I think blogging can be part of co-creation talking about earlier yes #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:31 PM |
RT @louisealix68: @Marisa_C Love books, guard them with my life, move them round the world (much to husband's dismay) but believe future is digital #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:32 PM |
@SueAnnan this is also true we don't necessarily need prepared ELT materials can adapt from elsewhere #eltchat |
ELTExperiences |
9:32 PM |
The opportunity is available for teachers to create resources and lesson ideas to share by self-publishing their own eBook. #eltchat |
pennyhands |
9:32 PM |
Will self-publishing authors budget for copyediting and proofreading? #eltchat |
harrisonmike |
9:32 PM |
#eltchat? RT @burcuakyol: via @DaveDodgson Review: Oxford Bookworms for iPad http://t.co/Qk1LqUWA |
teflerinha |
9:32 PM |
RT @rliberni: RT @SueAnnan: The 1 size fits all idea of generic coursebooks is a problem ths days#ELTchat Yes, but it nevr did fit all. |
Marisa_C |
9:32 PM |
@AnneShirley2011 Agree but take a few steps east or west and the landscape changes completely - ebooks the future tho #eltchat |
reasons4 |
9:32 PM |
#eltchat I shudder to think how poor self published books could be. |
mariabossa |
9:32 PM |
@Sciencematters seems books are expensive everywhere!! #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:32 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @cerirhiannon I think more noticeable because content easier to find in other places that is more relevant sometimes #ELTchat |
theteacherjames |
9:32 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: The one size fits all idea of generic coursebooks is a problem these days#ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:33 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal absolutely #ELTchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:33 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @reasons4 "COULD be?" Loads of shoddy stuff out there posing for great material just cos it's online!!!! #eltchat |
reasons4 |
9:33 PM |
RT @pennyhands: Will self-publishing authors budget for copyediting and proofreading? #eltchat |
jankenb2 |
9:33 PM |
#eltchat Digital spaces and use of tablets will only be as good as the content. Publishing is now instant. Print your own text is now here. |
Wiktor_K |
9:33 PM |
@reasons4 How about crowd-published? #eltchat |
AnnLoseva |
9:33 PM |
@divyabrochier #ELTchat it is..esp that there are so many teachers who r not ready to adapt to it themselves,so it's definitely a long story |
SueAnnan |
9:33 PM |
@Shaunwilden There is no real quality control if people self-publish #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
9:33 PM |
@SueAnnan @theteacherjames The potential in digital delivery is a more tailored set of content, perhaps? #ELTchat |
gret |
9:33 PM |
@mariabossa I need to buy some books this week. I think I'll have to spend a lot too! =( #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:33 PM |
@Raquel_EFL Am not sure i understand what you are asking #eltchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:33 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @reasons4: #eltchat I shudder to think how poor self published books could be. - yes me too :-) > me three ;) |
teflerinha |
9:33 PM |
@pennyhands Yes, and actually a good editor does a lot more than just copy edit and proof read. #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:33 PM |
@cerirhiannon @ELTExperiences interesting point - a lot of issues in writing for the new generations! #eltchat |
vbenevolofranca |
9:33 PM |
May we be thinking of ebooks within paper book mindset -technology is so mutable, can anyone guess what app will enchant next? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:33 PM |
@reasons4 "COULD be?" Loads of shoddy stuff out there posing for great material just cos it's online!!!! #eltchat |
mkofab |
9:33 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @reasons4: #eltchat I shudder to think how poor self published books could be. - yes me too :-) |
cerirhiannon |
9:33 PM |
@familysimpson @ncguerreiro @clivesir are flash quizzes really interactive ? aren't they just more gap fills? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:33 PM |
RT @reasons4: #eltchat I shudder to think how poor self published books could be. - yes me too :-) |
3ty3 |
9:34 PM |
RT @pennyhands: Will self-publishing authors budget for copyediting and proofreading? #eltchat |
reasons4 |
9:34 PM |
RT @Marisa_C @reasons4 "COULD be?" I was being diplomatic :-) #eltchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:34 PM |
RT @Wiktor_K: @reasons4 How about crowd-published? #eltchat > nice :) a wikicoursebook maybe? |
divyabrochier |
9:34 PM |
#eltchat, 52 is brilliant as it doesn't look like a course book, it's a collection of ideas that gives us the confidence to teach |
Shaunwilden |
9:34 PM |
@theteacherjames I do like that idea, but like buying tracks from different cds #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
9:34 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @OUPELTGlobal @SueAnnan A pick 'n' mix coursebook? Sounds better to me! #ELTchat |
mariabossa |
9:34 PM |
@gret get a nice credit card or lots of cash!! LOL #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:34 PM |
RT @shaznosel: @Wiktor_K print on demand sounds perfect but what t has the time??so the CB is essential for those Ts working 6 hrs a day..#eltchat |
carl_robinson |
9:34 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @OUPELTGlobal @SueAnnan A pick 'n' mix coursebook? Sounds better to me! #ELTchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:34 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @Shaunwilden There is no real quality control if people self-publish #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:34 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal @SueAnnan A pick 'n' mix coursebook? Sounds better to me! #ELTchat |
rliberni |
9:34 PM |
@teflerinha yes that is the problem but with digital it can be adapted more easily #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:34 PM |
RT @pennyhands: Will self-publishing authors budget for copyediting and proofreading? #eltchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:34 PM |
RT @teflerinha: @pennyhands Yes, and actually a good editor does a lot more than just copy edit and proof read. #eltchat |
toulasklavou |
9:34 PM |
when havin the freedom to choose mat online,that presupposes meetings with all Ts to decide what mat 2 use for the same level, #eltchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:35 PM |
@familysimpson @ncguerreiro @clivesir yup - totally true! :) #eltchat |
reasons4 |
9:35 PM |
RT @Wiktor_K @reasons4 How about crowd-published? #eltchat > even worse many hands blah blah |
rliberni |
9:35 PM |
@vbenevolofranca if teacher is facilitator how are materials managed? #eltchat |
AnnLoseva |
9:35 PM |
@divyabrochier @wiktor_k #ELTchat in my immediate prof context don't see much fewer textbooks,but if I see-it's worksheets that come instead |
mariabossa |
9:35 PM |
@Marisa_C yessss... realities are quite different everywhere #ELtchat |
shaznosel |
9:35 PM |
RT @jobethsteel: @shaznosel @cerirhiannon I always guessed got butchered cos no teacher worth their salt woud really have written some of them #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
9:35 PM |
@theteacherjames @SueAnnan The tech is there to offer that already. But is there the desire globally - putting onus on T to mix? #ELTchat |
ELTExperiences |
9:35 PM |
@theteacherjames @OUPELTGlobal @SueAnnan sounds like a sweet box. Too much of one approach may rot ones teaching though. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:35 PM |
@reasons4 ha ha no reason you're amomgst friends #eltchat |
familysimpson |
9:35 PM |
@cerirhiannon @ncguerreiro @clivesir you could build a decision based scenario with audio/video: a mini adventure within a txtbk! #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:35 PM |
@divyabrochier Yes but that more of a resource than a coursebook isnt it #eltchat |
mkofab |
9:35 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @theteacherjames I do like that idea, but like buying tracks from different cds #eltchat > great idea! |
Marisa_C |
9:35 PM |
So it looks like most of us are thinking that digital is the future but not everyone getting there at same time #ELtchat |
divyabrochier |
9:36 PM |
#eltchat I would love to have a publisher create for example a collection of no frills authentic recordings to adapt to listening classes |
Shaunwilden |
9:36 PM |
@shaznosel No understand which bit? #eltchat |
AnneShirley2011 |
9:36 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: So it looks like most of us are thinking that digital is the future but not everyone getting there at same time #ELtchat |
SueAnnan |
9:36 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal The tech is there to offer that already. But is there the desire globally - putting onus on T to mix? #ELTchat |
rliberni |
9:36 PM |
@gret my f2f stds generally don't want to do much online as they work online all day #eltchat |
carl_robinson |
9:36 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: So it looks like most of us are thinking that digital is the future but not everyone getting there at same time #ELtchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
9:36 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: So it looks like most of us are thinking that digital is the future but not everyone getting there at same time #ELtchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:36 PM |
@Raquel_EFL though i accept that under things like creative commons etc others can remix the work #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:36 PM |
Agree but tweaking and redrafting is not all that's cracked up to be if all editor interested in is mega buks #eltchat |
teflerinha |
9:36 PM |
RT @rliberni: @teflerinha yes that is the problem but w/ digital it cn B adapted more easily #eltchat Yes, I'm sure ths is whr CBs R going. |
CliveSir |
9:36 PM |
@familysimpson you got it! #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:36 PM |
What abt big publishers ability/desire 2 cater 2 niche groups? Do U know Learning Disabled SS find very colorful CB's a nightmare? #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:36 PM |
@Shaunwilden With the option to choose subjects that appeal to your students. #leggingitdownthepatentoffice #eltchat |
AnnLoseva |
9:36 PM |
@divyabrochier @wiktor_k #ELTchat ..which doesn't look like much of a change |
OUPELTGlobal |
9:36 PM |
RT @teflerinha: @pennyhands Yes, and actually a good editor does a lot more than just copy edit and proof read. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:36 PM |
@Raquel_EFL As the person who writes it, they're the ones that invested the time to make it #eltchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:37 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: #eltchat > usually the ed interested in quality - publishers' marketing dept into mega bucks ;) |
Shaunwilden |
9:37 PM |
RT @jankenb2: #eltchat the problem is not technology or its ubiquitous presence of devices, it's being critical thinkers and skilled in all literacy |
OUPELTGlobal |
9:37 PM |
RT @naomishema: What abt big publishers ability/desire 2 cater 2 niche groups? Do U know Learning Disabled SS find very colorful CB's a nightmare? #eltchat |
Wiktor_K |
9:37 PM |
Self-published no longer means 1 guy in a basement. More likely, 50 people in different parts of world,50 stories.not poor, really. #eltchat |
jankenb2 |
9:37 PM |
#eltchat the problem is not technology or its ubiquitous presence of devices, it's being critical thinkers and skilled in all literacy |
Shaunwilden |
9:37 PM |
@Raquel_EFL No not the future, just another option #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:37 PM |
RT @ELTExperiences: @cerirhiannon @SueAnnan and the traditional coursebook fits this aspect. Interactive ebooks are more suited to digital natives #eltchat |
toulasklavou |
9:37 PM |
@SueAnnan @Shaunwilden True and do all Ts know 2 select & use the appropriate material? CBs guide Ts esp.the inexperienced ones#eltchat |
rliberni |
9:37 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: @AnneShirley2011 they can be, and will be more so with the arrival of ePub3 as a standard, yes! #ELTchat |
theteacherjames |
9:37 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal @SueAnnan It's hard to know, all comes down to teacher motivation I guess. Hard to judge. #ELTchat |
gret |
9:38 PM |
@rliberni Yes, that's true! "Real Life" after spending hours online, right? #eltchat |
ElindaGjondedaj |
9:38 PM |
The economical effect can't be neglected. Here parents cant send their children learn english cause books cost more than 120€#eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:38 PM |
@Raquel_EFL Thats a very odd thing to say #eltchat |
divyabrochier |
9:38 PM |
@Shaunwilden not in the same way Syntactic Theory (Radford, 1997) is a resource though, 52 is very accessible, easy to digest #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:38 PM |
@teflerinha that is actually one of the sad stories of ELT publishing that those who create (or shape it) make the least money #ELTchat |
rliberni |
9:38 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: The immediate future of ELT publishing, pc or tablet or phone, will be app-based. That's the ecosystem ATM #eltchat agree! |
Shaunwilden |
9:38 PM |
@Wiktor_K Actually most coursebooks are done by collaborative teams now anyway #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:38 PM |
RT @AnnLoseva: RT@divyabrochier #eltchat 52 is brilliant as it doesn't look like a course book,a collection of ideas that gives us the confidence to teach |
shaznosel |
9:38 PM |
@Shaunwilden self published books - sorry! #eltchat |
vbenevolofranca |
9:38 PM |
@rliberni Facilitor in that if working through tasks using ebook (task interactivity) then is guiding learning as in TBL approach #eltchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:38 PM |
RT @Wiktor_K: Self-published no longer means 1 guy in a basement. More likely, 50 people in different parts of world,50 stories.not poor, really. #eltchat |
AnnLoseva |
9:38 PM |
RT@divyabrochier #eltchat 52 is brilliant as it doesn't look like a course book,a collection of ideas that gives us the confidence to teach |
ELTExperiences |
9:38 PM |
One advantage of publishing a course eBook is that it can be available online pretty quickly. Teachers try it out & offer feedback #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:38 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @harrisonmike Ta. That's why I don't like predicting with any certainty. The future is mysterious, & I love it! #eltchat |
Wiktor_K |
9:39 PM |
@Shaunwilden True...I guess I'm just rooting for indie publishing to do brave stuff for EFL :) #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:39 PM |
@Shaunwilden actually I agree with you #eltchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:39 PM |
RT @ElindaGjondedaj: The economical effect can't be neglected. Here parents cant send their children learn english cause books cost more than 120€#eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:39 PM |
@divyabrochier My point was the format worked well for a resource book am not sure it would for a coursebook #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:39 PM |
RT @jankenb2: @Marisa_C #eltchat How does student blogging fit into this discussion? Blogging is self-authored texts and c/be powerful & relevant content. |
cerirhiannon |
9:39 PM |
@ELTExperiences and so continually being written? nice idea but practicalities might be very expensive #eltchat |
ncguerreiro |
9:40 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Agree but tweaking and redrafting is not all that's cracked up to be if all editor interested in is mega buks #eltchat |
vbenevolofranca |
9:40 PM |
@naomishema Not only that, font size, background to text and images and quantity info on page is terrible as well... #eltchat |
carl_robinson |
9:40 PM |
@Marisa_C It's an interesting question: publishers offer more than just way to market and this is oft forgot! #ELTchat |
rliberni |
9:40 PM |
@jankenb2 think this is more of std activity , more of an output but maybe teacher blogs are equiv of course books? #eltchat |
ncguerreiro |
9:40 PM |
RT @Wiktor_K: Self-published no longer means 1 guy in a basement. More likely, 50 people in different parts of world,50 stories.not poor, really. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:40 PM |
@Wiktor_K :-) So what counts as brave? #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:40 PM |
@toulasklavou @SueAnnan @Shaunwilden T s know but often DOS/Management haven't taught for so long they are out of touch #eltchat |
toulasklavou |
9:40 PM |
RT @ElindaGjondedaj: The economical effect can't be neglected. Here parents cant send their children learn english cause books cost more than 120€#eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:40 PM |
Someone posed an important Q abt self-published - not enough reviewing (peer or other) editing before publishing #eltchat |
ncguerreiro |
9:41 PM |
RT @vbenevolofranca: @naomishema Not only that, font size, background to text and images and quantity info on page is terrible as well... #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:41 PM |
RT @ELTExperiences: y have a shelf full of material collecting dust when a teacher cn consult an ebook, print wht's needed & use it #eltchat |
vbenevolofranca |
9:41 PM |
@naomishema ... what worries me in ebooks is possible lack of linearity, which would seem logical, which is complex for SEN kids #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:41 PM |
@divyabrochier Yes I agree and personally hope the ebook format leads to more of that #eltchat |
toulasklavou |
9:41 PM |
@ElindaGjondedaj You're so right!!!!!!!!!!!!#eltchat |
rliberni |
9:41 PM |
@vbenevolofranca who chooses the content? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:41 PM |
@teflerinha sounds like a vicious circle! #eltchat |
ELTExperiences |
9:41 PM |
Why have a shelf full of material collecting dust when a teacher can consult an ebook, print what's needed and use it #eltchat |
ncguerreiro |
9:41 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @Wiktor_K: @reasons4 How about crowd-published? #eltchat > nice :) a wikicoursebook maybe? |
jankenb2 |
9:41 PM |
#eltchat Let's do a SWOT on the use of digital in ESL inst I'll start with the S, strengths, ? can do Weakness, Opportunities and Threats... |
teflerinha |
9:41 PM |
@Marisa_C & seems 2 me that digital will pay authors even less as royalties won't B paid. Which mayB bring us back 2 self publish?! #eltchat |
ncguerreiro |
9:41 PM |
RT @naomishema: What abt big publishers ability/desire 2 cater 2 niche groups? Do U know Learning Disabled SS find very colorful CB's a nightmare? #eltchat |
ncguerreiro |
9:42 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: For me the ideal future would be a website where I can put a co-created 'book' together-an end product rather than a prefab object #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:42 PM |
RT @Wiktor_K: @Shaunwilden Being able 2 choose weird/controversial/current topics ovr general/safe/evergreen w/out focusing on $ #eltchat |
ELTExperiences |
9:42 PM |
@vbenevolofranca @naomishema but electronic books such as iPad offer colour blind settings and can increase font of ebooks #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:42 PM |
@ELTExperiences thats a hollow argument, eventually the ereader is full of resources that the tchr will forget about #eltchat |
TEFL_Iberia |
9:42 PM |
RT @ELTExperiences: Why have a shelf full of material collecting dust when a teacher can consult an ebook, print what's needed and use it #eltchat |
Wiktor_K |
9:42 PM |
@Shaunwilden Being able to choose weird/controversial/current topics over general/safe/evergreen without focusing on $ #eltchat |
reasons4 |
9:42 PM |
#eltchat for Olomouc read countless other towns around east central europe I've been to recently. The future is a long way off |
mariabossa |
9:42 PM |
@Raquel_EFL if they're not teachers, then, at least they should be within the area of expertise #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:42 PM |
@gret yes can't blame them :-) #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:43 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: I think it's worth pointing out that ELT books are expensive. Changes in tech should reduce prices thus increasing accessibility. #eltchat |
mariabossa |
9:43 PM |
@gret agree w/u greta!! :) #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:43 PM |
@ELTExperiences TRUE but lately found on line choices too overwhelming and love my photocopiable resources.#eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:43 PM |
I think it's worth pointing out that ELT books are expensive. Changes in tech should reduce prices thus increasing accessibility. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:43 PM |
@shaznosel AND pander to demands for 4-5-6 books per child #ELTchat - keep teacher busy bisy busy! |
gret |
9:43 PM |
@Marisa_C Being part of an ELT community & building a PLN are key. Sharing, Editing, Feedback. It helps for self-publishing #eltchat |
vbenevolofranca |
9:43 PM |
@rliberni if you think of ebooks containing degree similarity of elements to trad print material, part of content could be there.#eltchat |
carl_robinson |
9:43 PM |
@Shaunwilden @divyabrochier I'm confused by this. Do you mean no structure? How do you deal with that? #ELTchat |
sandymillin |
9:43 PM |
RT @divyabrochier: #eltchat I would love to have a publisher create for example a collection of no frills authentic recordings to adapt to listening classes |
divyabrochier |
9:43 PM |
RT @AnnLoseva: @divyabrochier @wiktor_k #ELTchat in my immediate prof context don't see much fewer textbooks,but if I see-it's worksheets that come instead |
Shaunwilden |
9:43 PM |
RT @reasons4: #eltchat for Olomouc read countless other towns around east central europe I've been to recently. The future is a long way off |
jankenb2 |
9:43 PM |
#eltchat Strengths of using digital devices in ESL 1) current content, cheaper, allows for leveled support, colorful, portable. more ideas? |
carl_robinson |
9:44 PM |
@theteacherjames Costs aren't necessarily reduced though - common misconception that digital is cheap! #ELTchat |
divyabrochier |
9:44 PM |
@carl_robinson @Shaunwilden no imposed structure by a coursebook writer yes, but materials you can tailor to your Ss/class #eltchat |
ELTExperiences |
9:44 PM |
@Shaunwilden perhaps a balance of both electronic and paper based material is required #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:44 PM |
@carl_robinson hmm i think i was just saying that an ereader is a good medium for teacher resource books esp 'recipe' ones #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:44 PM |
@gret good point as long as PLN not into mutual ego-stroking - this frightens me #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:44 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: I think it's worth pointing out that ELT books are expensive. Changes in tech should reduce prices thus increasing accessibility. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:44 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: @Marisa_C #eltchat that was a great post u wrote about too many books, Marisa! Yes seconded |
mariabossa |
9:44 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: I think it's worth pointing out that ELT books are expensive. Changes in tech should reduce prices thus increasing accessibility. #eltchat |
vbenevolofranca |
9:44 PM |
@ELTExperiences @naomishema Yes, Ipad does but do other tablets? Not sure if they do. #eltchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:44 PM |
@Marisa_C #eltchat that was a great post u wrote about too many books, Marisa! |
rliberni |
9:44 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: RT @Wiktor_K: @Shaunwilden Being able 2 choose weird/controversial/current topics ovr general/safe/evergreen w/out focusing on $ #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:45 PM |
There is so much material to choose from that it seems capricious to spend money on one particular coursebook #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
9:45 PM |
@SueAnnan #eltchat thanks for reminding me - related post "Too Many Books" http://t.co/8MSKps1S #eltchat |
gret |
9:45 PM |
@Marisa_C Yes, agreed… That's why building a PLN isn't as easy as it seems at first! #eltchat |
Wiktor_K |
9:45 PM |
@theteacherjames True - or at least make every1 feel they're getting value for money. Not a fan of cutting costs at all costs :) #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:45 PM |
@divyabrochier But isnt structure necessary - thats the syllabus #eltchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:45 PM |
RT @carl_robinson: @theteacherjames Costs aren't necessarily reduced though - common misconception that digital is cheap! #ELTchat |
rliberni |
9:45 PM |
@theteacherjames very true on expense and now all come with sooo many parts to them! #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:45 PM |
@Marisa_C yes..must use all 4 books in 1 and half hours...#eltchat |
ManuelParraFdez |
9:46 PM |
#eltchat Do you need an iMac or an iPad to use iBooks Author? Is it as easy as Apple says? I guess they want us to buy all their devices |
ElindaGjondedaj |
9:46 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: I think it's worth pointing out that ELT books are expensive. Changes in tech should reduce prices thus increasing accessibility. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:46 PM |
@ELTExperiences that's really good #eltchat |
toulasklavou |
9:46 PM |
once I worked 4 a school wher junior A had CB/WB/GRB/COMPANION/TESTBOOK, I felt so sorry of them#eltchat |
carl_robinson |
9:46 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @theteacherjames I heard an really interesting interview with a Nonelt publisher who said costs are not much cheaper #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:46 PM |
@theteacherjames Still got to pay the author, editor etc etc #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:46 PM |
@gret agree - but we are in the process of learning about that too #eltchat |
ELTExperiences |
9:46 PM |
@Marisa_C @gret I received some great feedback on my ebook via my PLN and colleagues. Continuous development #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:46 PM |
@carl_robinson If the publishers accurately reflect the reduction in costs involved, they should be cheaper. #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:46 PM |
@theteacherjames I heard an really interesting interview with a Nonelt publisher who said costs are not much cheaper #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:46 PM |
@shaznosel true finding online resources is sometimes a needle in a haystack operation! #eltchat |
ElindaGjondedaj |
9:46 PM |
@shaznosel @toulasklavou #eltchat when a parent can barely pay us (teachers) how can he pay so many books that sometimes we don't even use.? |
theteacherjames |
9:47 PM |
@Shaunwilden I find it hard to imagine how with reduced printing and distribution costs. Not convinced by old media's arguments. #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:47 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: There is so much material to choose from that it seems capricious to spend money on one particular coursebook #ELTchat |
reasons4 |
9:47 PM |
RT @Marisa_C @gret good point as long as PLN not into mutual ego-stroking - this frightens me #eltchat > is it ever anything else? |
teflerinha |
9:47 PM |
@rliberni From chats with publishers, think this is definitely the way things are going at the mo- mix of paper and digital #eltchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:47 PM |
RT @carl_robinson: @teflerinha There are lots of costs: hosting, delivery, updates, rights in the code, rights in the content, testing it's not cheap! #ELTchat |
rliberni |
9:47 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @SueAnnan #eltchat thanks for reminding me - related post "Too Many Books" http://t.co/8MSKps1S #eltchat |
carl_robinson |
9:47 PM |
@teflerinha There are lots of costs: hosting, delivery, updates, rights in the code, rights in the content, testing it's not cheap! #ELTchat |
jankenb2 |
9:47 PM |
#eltchat SWOT Weaknesses: 2 easy to publish content that is not reviewed properly. Start up costs of devices, the replacement costs, |
shaznosel |
9:47 PM |
@divyabrochier @sandymillin I would love publishers to produce songs for juniors that we can sing even ican't sing that fast!#eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:47 PM |
@divyabrochier But again then we are the realms of the teacher not the material, they can change things #eltchat |
Sciencematters |
9:47 PM |
true - “@rliberni: @theteacherjames very true on expense and now all come with sooo many parts to them! #eltchat” |
rliberni |
9:47 PM |
RT @ELTExperiences: @Shaunwilden perhaps a balance of both electronic and paper based material is required #eltchat most likely at the mo |
shaznosel |
9:48 PM |
@ElindaGjondedaj @toulasklavou Ask the DOS/school owner..not parents fault! who is making the money here??#eltchat |
Wiktor_K |
9:48 PM |
@ManuelParraFdez Need a Mac to create ibooks, an ipad to view them. This tool would be the *BEST* ever if it wasn't made by Apple. #eltchat |
jankenb2 |
9:48 PM |
@Smithstorian @markgr #eltchat I saw a data point like that too, but I wondered how these bks were distributed across the SES population. |
divyabrochier |
9:48 PM |
@Shaunwilden but it's discrediting to both teacher and publisher whenever a teacher goes "ok, we'll ignore what the books says here"#eltchat |
ELTExperiences |
9:48 PM |
But are teachers hiding behind their material (whether electronic/paper based) rather trying to be good teachers? #eltchat |
MrWriteCzech |
9:48 PM |
#eltchat A lot of independent authors need to learn all about marketing their books. Nice to get a bigger % but you have to work for it! |
gret |
9:48 PM |
@ELTExperiences @Marisa_C That's great! Learning never stops! #eltchat |
carl_robinson |
9:48 PM |
@theteacherjames Where do you see reduction in costs? And are you taking into account increased costs not there in print books? #ELTchat |
rliberni |
9:48 PM |
But some students just like to have a book! #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:48 PM |
@Shaunwilden And I did say cheaper, not cheap! #eltchat |
reasons4 |
9:48 PM |
RT @carl_robinson: @theteacherjames Costs aren't necessarily reduced though - common misconception that digital is cheap! #ELTchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:49 PM |
RT @divyabrochier: @Shaunwilden discrediting to say "0k, we'll ignore what the books says here"#eltchat > why? CBs are not bibles! |
teflerinha |
9:49 PM |
@divyabrochier As an author, I wouldn't mind at all. Think once materials R out thr it's up 2 teachers wht they do w/ them :) #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:49 PM |
@divyabrochier Never had an issue with saying that to be honest, books arent written for one particular student etc #eltchat |
vickyloras |
9:49 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @SueAnnan #eltchat thanks for reminding me - related post "Too Many Books" http://t.co/8MSKps1S #eltchat |
vbenevolofranca |
9:49 PM |
@Shaunwilden @theteacherjames They also become far more expensive if you build interactivity into the books themselves... #eltchat |
carl_robinson |
9:49 PM |
@teflerinha I think that's a fair point, and I'd say we need to work on that - what's the model for an author in a digital world? #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
9:49 PM |
@reasons4 not always - #eltchat |
toulasklavou |
9:49 PM |
Books is for parents a way to prove we're doing work in class, the more pages we cover, the more satisfied they are#eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:50 PM |
@Shaunwilden @vbenevolofranca How are updated versions different from printed versions. should be quicker & easier, no? #eltchat |
carl_robinson |
9:50 PM |
@theteacherjames Hosting is big cost and almost negates manufacturing. VAT on digital mostly higher than print, publisher eats this #ELTchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:50 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: updates must be easy in digital material #ELTchat > the writing/editing/quality control takes just as long |
shaznosel |
9:50 PM |
@toulasklavou sad but true - re educate the parents!#eltchat |
MrWriteCzech |
9:50 PM |
#eltchat I like the idea of an ELT author cooperative. Anyone interested? |
Shaunwilden |
9:50 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @divyabrochier: @Shaunwilden discrediting to say "0k, we'll ignore what the books says here"#eltchat > why? CBs are not bibles! |
SueAnnan |
9:50 PM |
updates must be easy in digital material #ELTchat |
vickyloras |
9:50 PM |
RT @ELTExperiences: @Shaunwilden perhaps a balance of both electronic and paper based material is required #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:50 PM |
@vbenevolofranca @theteacherjames yes and then there are updates, working on the new editions (updates) and so on #eltchat |
teflerinha |
9:51 PM |
@carl_robinson #eltchat yes, it would be good to know more about this. :) |
rliberni |
9:51 PM |
RT @ELTExperiences: But are teachers hiding behind their material (whether electronic/paper based) rather trying to be good teachers? #eltchat |
AnneShirley2011 |
9:51 PM |
#eltchat availability of e-books! teachers and ss living in every part of the world has chance of buying and using |
divyabrochier |
9:51 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @divyabrochier Never had an issue with saying that to be honest, books arent written for one particular student etc #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:51 PM |
@MrWriteCzech isn't that what the round is? #eltchat |
teflerinha |
9:51 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @divyabrochier: @Shaunwilden discrediting 2 say "0k, we'll ignore wht the books says hre"#eltchat > y? CBs R notbibles! |
rliberni |
9:51 PM |
RT @MrWriteCzech: #eltchat A lot of independent authors need to learn all about marketing their books. Nice to get a bigger % but you have to work for it! |
louisealix68 |
9:51 PM |
RT @MrWriteCzech: #eltchat I like the idea of an ELT author cooperative. Anyone interested? |
ELTExperiences |
9:51 PM |
@vbenevolofranca @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames how do they become more expensive? #eltchat |
carl_robinson |
9:52 PM |
@teflerinha It's on the mind of most publishers, I know. A fair deal is key to maintain content quality and engagement. #ELTchat |
theteacherjames |
9:52 PM |
@carl_robinson Interesting. These should costs should diminish as it becomes more widespread, shouldn't they? #ELTchat |
shaznosel |
9:52 PM |
# eltchat I want to ask publishers here tonight - how often they actually sit in today's classrooms - know their 'audience' ??#eltchat |
divyabrochier |
9:52 PM |
@cerirhiannon alright but isn't the chat about the future of publishing and not the future of course books? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:52 PM |
RT @rliberni: @ELTExperiences hope not - books etc are just tools #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:52 PM |
@ELTExperiences hope not - books etc are just tools #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:52 PM |
@ELTExperiences I didnt say more, I was talking about the misconception that they have to cheap #eltchat |
divyabrochier |
9:52 PM |
@Shaunwilden I have had an issue with saying that, or even photocopying a page where I won't use it all #eltchat |
ElindaGjondedaj |
9:52 PM |
RT @toulasklavou: Books is for parents a way to prove we're doing work in class, the more pages we cover, the more satisfied they are#eltchat |
vbenevolofranca |
9:53 PM |
@ELTExperiences @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames need design & creation of interactivity which is expensive... #eltchat |
carl_robinson |
9:53 PM |
@theteacherjames like all things, I suspect costs will go down over time. But for now, it's demonstrably NOT cheaper! #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
9:53 PM |
@reasons4 oh look around blogs and comments - not all full of adulation #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:53 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: EFL I think publishers shld create sites w/ menus or lists of topics & items of language - units u cn adapt & add 2 #eltchat |
ElindaGjondedaj |
9:53 PM |
RT @MrWriteCzech: #eltchat I like the idea of an ELT author cooperative. Anyone interested? |
jobethsteel |
9:53 PM |
@louisealix68 @MrWriteCzech Great idea. Yes! #eltchat |
mkofab |
9:53 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @Raquel_EFL I think publishers should create sites with menus or lists of topics and items of language - units u can adapt & add to #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:53 PM |
@divyabrochier Yes sts can b bit funny about it but i found explanation works (am not disagreeing with u) merely fueling discussion #eltchat |
sandymillin |
9:53 PM |
RT @AnneShirley2011: #eltchat availability of e-books! teachers and ss living in every part of the world has chance of buying and using |
Marisa_C |
9:53 PM |
@Raquel_EFL I think publishers should create sites with menus or lists of topics and items of language - units u can adapt & add to #eltchat |
cerirhiannon |
9:53 PM |
@divyabrochier maybe for u the future of publishing is to be ignored by teachers who want raw materials ;) #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:53 PM |
RT @daveandcori: Resources to Replace Textbooks |
daveandcori |
9:53 PM |
Resources to Replace Textbooks |
rliberni |
9:53 PM |
RT @toulasklavou: Books4 parents a way to prove we're doing work in class, the more pages we cover, the more satisfied they are#eltchat :-( |
reasons4 |
9:53 PM |
RT @Marisa_C @reasons4 not always - #eltchat > evidence? :-) |
OUPELTGlobal |
9:54 PM |
@shaznosel Good question! Our editors and publishers are often in classrooms across the world talking to ss and ts #ELTchat |
toulasklavou |
9:54 PM |
can't just ignore buks, they're there 4 a reason, it's up to us make use of them for the Ss' benefit#eltchat |
divyabrochier |
9:54 PM |
RT @shaznosel: # eltchat I want to ask publishers here tonight - how often they actually sit in today's classrooms - know their 'audience' ??#eltchat |
daveandcori |
9:54 PM |
Apple Announces iBooks2 E-Textbooks - my initial thoughts |
Marisa_C |
9:54 PM |
@LukeMeddings Welcome to the last few minutes of a wild discussion !!! :-D #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:54 PM |
@carl_robinson But this is the beginning. Gutenberg Bibles were really expensive too! :) #ELTchat |
rliberni |
9:54 PM |
RT @MrWriteCzech: #eltchat I like the idea of an ELT author cooperative. Anyone interested? good idea worth discussing |
cerirhiannon |
9:54 PM |
RT @teflerinha: RT @rliberni: RT @toulasklavou: Books4 parents a way to prove we're doing work in class,...#eltchat :-( very familiar with this! |
naomishema |
9:54 PM |
RT @teflerinha: RT @rliberni: RT @toulasklavou: Books4 parents a way to prove we're doing work in class,...#eltchat :-( very familiar with this! |
rliberni |
9:54 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: updates must be easy in digital material #ELTchat and quick! |
LukeMeddings |
9:54 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Someone posed an important Q abt self-published - not enough reviewing (peer or other) editing before publishing #eltchat |
daveandcori |
9:54 PM |
What I use with Physics classes instead of textbook |
ERMFerrari |
9:54 PM |
@sandymillin already have this, albeit illegally #eltchat |
ELTExperiences |
9:54 PM |
@Shaunwilden it was @vbenevolofranca that suggested ebooks would be more expensive when incorporating interactivity #eltchat |
teflerinha |
9:54 PM |
RT @rliberni: RT @toulasklavou: Books4 parents a way to prove we're doing work in class,...#eltchat :-( very familiar with this! |
sandymillin |
9:54 PM |
RT @shaznosel: # eltchat I want to ask publishers here tonight - how often they actually sit in today's classrooms - know their 'audience' ??#eltchat |
ElindaGjondedaj |
9:55 PM |
@ManuelParraFdez you need an iMac to publish on ibookstore.can also create from iPad ibooks and share them http://t.co/sfVPSk0Z #eltchat |
AnneShirley2011 |
9:55 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @Raquel_EFL I think publishers should create sites with menus or lists of topics and items of language - units u can adapt & add to #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:55 PM |
RT @rliberni: RT @MrWriteCzech: #eltchat I like the idea of an ELT author cooperative. > Isn't that what the round is doing? |
Marisa_C |
9:55 PM |
@SueAnnan sounds like a great idea to me #eltchat |
ELTExperiences |
9:55 PM |
@rliberni @MrWriteCzech I'd be interested in co-authoring a book with other ppl in my PLN for use inside or outside of class #eltchat |
Wiktor_K |
9:55 PM |
Dear #eltchat, charmed,as ever.May I leave you with my favourite author doing an interview on the future of books? http://t.co/erY6ObfQ Bye! |
divyabrochier |
9:55 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @Raquel_EFL I think publishers should create sites with menus or lists of topics and items of language - units u can adapt & add to #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:55 PM |
RT @rliberni: RT @MrWriteCzech: #eltchat I lk the idea of an ELT author cooperative. Anyone interested? gd idea worth discussing The Round? |
OUPELTGlobal |
9:55 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @Raquel_EFL I think publishers should create sites with menus or lists of topics and items of language - units u can adapt & add to #eltchat |
carl_robinson |
9:55 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @Raquel_EFL I think publishers should create sites with menus or lists of topics and items of language - units u can adapt & add to #eltchat |
LukeMeddings |
9:56 PM |
@Marisa_C so sorry to be late - was unaware - have spent last 15 mins catching up ;) #eltchat |
ERMFerrari |
9:56 PM |
@sandymillin if younger it's a question of what m & d expect, isn't it? #eltchat |
gret |
9:56 PM |
@Raquel_EFL Yes! Love the idea of it Raquel! #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:56 PM |
RT @ElindaGjondedaj: @ManuelParraFdez you need an iMac to publish on ibookstore.can also create from iPad ibooks and share them http://t.co/sfVPSk0Z #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:56 PM |
RT @shaznosel: # eltchat I want to ask publishers here tonight - how often they actually sit in today's classrooms - know their 'audience' ??#eltchat |
teflerinha |
9:56 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: @shaznosel R editors & publishers R oftn in classrooms across the world talking 2 ss & ts #ELTchat -ive done ths 2 4 pubs |
jankenb2 |
9:56 PM |
@AnneShirley2011 #eltchat no, not really. Many countries block book downloads. The select on Amazon in Turkey is far less than US as ex. |
OUPELTGlobal |
9:56 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @carl_robinson But this is the beginning. Gutenberg Bibles were really expensive too! :) #ELTchat |
carl_robinson |
9:56 PM |
“@theteacherjames: But this is the beginning. Gutenberg Bibles were really expensive too! :) #ELTchat" LOL! |
SueAnnan |
9:57 PM |
@Marisa_C sort of thing Jamie Keddie does to a certain extent #eltchat |
ElindaGjondedaj |
9:57 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @Raquel_EFL I think publishers should create sites with menus or lists of topics and items of language - units u can adapt & add to #eltchat |
vbenevolofranca |
9:57 PM |
Read this recently & gives an idea of work involved with enhanced ebooks: http://t.co/0ibRRmkz #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:57 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @Raquel_EFL I think publishers should create sites with menus or lists of topics and items of language - units u can adapt & add to #eltchat |
carl_robinson |
9:57 PM |
RT @teflerinha: RT @OUPELTGlobal: @shaznosel R editors & publishers R oftn in classrooms across the world talking 2 ss & ts #ELTchat -ive done ths 2 4 pubs |
OUPELTGlobal |
9:57 PM |
RT @teflerinha: RT @OUPELTGlobal: @shaznosel R editors & publishers R oftn in classrooms across the world talking 2 ss & ts #ELTchat -ive done ths 2 4 pubs |
jobethsteel |
9:57 PM |
“@SueAnnan: RT @Marisa_C: EFL publishers shld create sites w/ menus or lists of topics & items of lang - units u cn adapt & add 2 #eltchat” |
ELTExperiences |
9:58 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @Raquel_EFL: How can editors create content if they don't teach anymore? #eltchat > authors create content, editors edit |
SueAnnan |
9:58 PM |
@mariabossa Yes he is :-) #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
9:58 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @Raquel_EFL: How can editors create content if they don't teach anymore? #eltchat > authors create content, editors edit |
mariabossa |
9:58 PM |
@SueAnnan I met Jamie Keddie last week in Bs As, he's fantastic :) #eltchat |
ManuelParraFdez |
9:58 PM |
@ElindaGjondedaj So if I want to create & view ibooks, an iPad is enough. Are you sure that the iMac is only for publishing them?#eltchat |
agarridodiez |
9:58 PM |
What about students making & using their own resources? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:58 PM |
RT @reasons4: RT @Marisa_C #Eltchat and who is gonna tell a colleague/ friend their work ins poor? |
cerirhiannon |
9:58 PM |
RT @Raquel_EFL: How can editors create content if they don't teach anymore? #eltchat > authors create content, editors edit |
gret |
9:58 PM |
@Marisa_C @rliberni @Raquel_EFL That's a great idea Marisa. I think that would be the best way to go. #eltchat |
jankenb2 |
9:58 PM |
@shaznosel #eltchat Good question. How many have used a digital textbook as a student would have to and not just preview it? |
toulasklavou |
9:58 PM |
buks is also less cost 4 schools, no photocopies, can't think of a school owner who' d photocopy whatever useful found online? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:58 PM |
@reasons4 Well you had no trouble telling me and vice versa :-) #eltchat |
rliberni |
9:58 PM |
@Marisa_C I agree \i think this is the future of publishing in ELT!! #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
9:59 PM |
@agarridodiez Do you think students would like to be able share what they do with other EFL learners? #ELTchat |
rliberni |
9:59 PM |
RT @daveandcori: What I use with Physics classes instead of textbook |
Shaunwilden |
9:59 PM |
@teflerinha @Raquel_EFL And most editors i know have come from elt backgrounds #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:59 PM |
@LukeMeddings No worries - we haven't yet come to any earthshaking conclusions :-) #eltchat |
ELT_T2W |
9:59 PM |
If anyone's interested in getting involved with writing, do keep an eye on @ELT_T2W #ELTchat http://t.co/sz3XYn94 |
cerirhiannon |
9:59 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @reasons4: RT @Marisa_C #Eltchat who gonna tell friend their work is poor? > when co-authoring we do it all the time |
ELTExperiences |
10:00 PM |
At the end of the day course ebooks and ebooks can't replace good old fashioned teaching. #eltchat |
rliberni |
10:00 PM |
RT @Wiktor_K: Dear #eltchat, charmed,as ever.May I leave you with my favourite author doing an interview on the future of books? http://t.co/erY6ObfQ Bye! |
cerirhiannon |
10:00 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: I would certainly if asked for a review before publication #Eltchat > always happy to offer an honest opinion ;) |
naomishema |
10:00 PM |
Good night all! Midnight on a school night! #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
10:00 PM |
@Raquel_EFL Well usually the author and reachers are asked to do it , they are well thought out you know! #eltchat |
jankenb2 |
10:00 PM |
@ElindaGjondedaj @ManuelParraFdez #eltchat I support of teacher made materials & use of CC open resources, but not the same as $$ dig texts |
toulasklavou |
10:00 PM |
the ideas re the use of tech are great but not all Ss or Ts have iphones or schools have the latest comput sytems#eltchat |
rliberni |
10:00 PM |
RT @daveandcori: Apple Announces iBooks2 E-Textbooks - my initial thoughts |
Shaunwilden |
10:00 PM |
@Raquel_EFL @cerirhiannon becuase they are trained to be editors, like we are trained to be teachers #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10:00 PM |
@cerirhiannon Glad to hear it - I would certainly if asked for a review before publication #Eltchat |
shaznosel |
10:00 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal - I m curious! if a writer actually spent 6 months sitting in classrooms, would it change what they write?#eltchat |
SueAnnan |
10:01 PM |
Thanks everyone for a fast moving #ELTchat. |
nutrich |
10:01 PM |
RT @DaveDodgson: @nutrich Just added my tuppence http://t.co/BFlf1NQJ #ELTchat #dogme | I have finally found time to respond! :) |
OUPELTGlobal |
10:01 PM |
@shaznosel Most ELT eds are/were Ts and bring that experience to their work. Good point though, but authors create editors shape #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
10:01 PM |
RT @agarridodiez: Making & using own resources by both teachers and students is motivating, challenging, creative and much cheaper. #eltchat |
shaznosel |
10:01 PM |
@teflerinha @OUPELTGlobal AND..do you get a say or it goes on files??#ELTCHAT |
rliberni |
10:01 PM |
@SueAnnan yes as mentioned earlier #eltchat |
agarridodiez |
10:01 PM |
Making & using own resources by both teachers and students is motivating, challenging, creative and much cheaper. #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
10:01 PM |
Want to know more about the #eltchat symposium at #IATEFL Glasgow? Listen to @Shaunwilden on the new #eltchat podcast: http://t.co/FQrt0Kjw |
divyabrochier |
10:01 PM |
RT @ELTExperiences: At the end of the day course ebooks and ebooks can't replace good old fashioned teaching. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
10:01 PM |
RT @ELTExperiences: At the end of the day course ebooks and ebooks can't replace good old fashioned teaching. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
10:01 PM |
RT @ELTExperiences: At the end of the day course ebooks and ebooks can't replace good old fashioned teaching. #eltchat |
reasons4 |
10:02 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal @agarridodiez Do you think students would like to be able share what they do with other EFL learners? #ELTchat > no :-) |
Shaunwilden |
10:02 PM |
Anyone fancy a go at the summary? #eltchat |
cerirhiannon |
10:02 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: Thanks everyone for a fast moving #ELTchat. > seconded and a big thx to the mods - unenviable task tonight! |
CliveSir |
10:02 PM |
RT @ELTExperiences: At the end of the day course ebooks and ebooks can't replace good [..] teaching. #eltchat |
teflerinha |
10:02 PM |
@shaznosel Most authors have 10+ years exp of teaching & not many cn afford 2 giv up teaching 4 writing even if they wanted 2 ;) #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
10:02 PM |
Ok time out me thinks we will come back to this one #eltchat |
LukeMeddings |
10:02 PM |
some publishing culture will remain: eg first thing I learned as journalist on EL Gazette in the 90s was u can't edit your own work #eltchat |
rliberni |
10:02 PM |
RT @ElindaGjondedaj: @ManuelParraFdez you need an iMac to publish on ibookstore.can also create from iPad ibooks and share them http://t.co/sfVPSk0Z #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
10:02 PM |
@rliberni yes #eltchat |
carl_robinson |
10:03 PM |
RT @ELTExperiences: At the end of the day course ebooks and ebooks can't replace good old fashioned teaching. #eltchat |
toulasklavou |
10:03 PM |
RT @ELTExperiences: At the end of the day course ebooks and ebooks can't replace good old fashioned teaching. #eltchat |
jankenb2 |
10:03 PM |
#eltchat How can we prepare students in self-regulated learning so that 80 or 90% of their learning is self w/teachers as guides/mentors? |
shaznosel |
10:03 PM |
@jankenb2 Exactly! If you were in their shoes..#eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10:03 PM |
RT @teflerinha: @shaznosel Can only spk for me. I get a say, bt also pubs are quite conservative because global market #eltchat |
teflerinha |
10:03 PM |
@shaznosel Can only spk for me. I get a say, bt also pubs are quite conservative because global market #eltchat |
ELT_T2W |
10:03 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @SueAnnan: Thanks everyone for a fast moving #ELTchat. > seconded and a big thx to the mods - unenviable task tonight! |
rliberni |
10:03 PM |
RT @vbenevolofranca: Read this recently & gives an idea of work involved with enhanced ebooks: http://t.co/0ibRRmkz #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
10:03 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Ok time out me thinks we will come back to this one #eltchat |
carl_robinson |
10:03 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Ok time out me thinks we will come back to this one #eltchat |
rliberni |
10:03 PM |
RT @Raquel_EFL: How can editors create content if they don't teach anymore? That's a question that puzzles me. #eltchat that's a good ? |
Marisa_C |
10:03 PM |
@LukeMeddings True you can't edit ur own work - even if very sharp and experienced - another eye or two always great #eltchat |
ELTExperiences |
10:04 PM |
One final drawback abt publishing an ebook is it isn't available in all countries. My ebook isn't available in Turkey. #eltchat |
rliberni |
10:04 PM |
RT @ELT_T2W: If anyone's interested in getting involved with writing, do keep an eye on @ELT_T2W #ELTchat http://t.co/sz3XYn94 |
carl_robinson |
10:04 PM |
Thanks #eltchat - most interesting and stimulating - happy to keep going another time on this topic. Close to my heart! |
rliberni |
10:04 PM |
RT @agarridodiez: What about students making & using their own resources? #eltchat why not? |
jobethsteel |
10:04 PM |
Thanks everyone. Only caught half of it. Very useful as usual. Night. #eltchat |
teflerinha |
10:05 PM |
Thanks everyone. Must go and talk to my husband- haven't seen him for 3 days ! ;) #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
10:05 PM |
@shaznosel It's been done and it offers great insight! #ELTchat |
reasons4 |
10:05 PM |
RT @Marisa_C @reasons4 oh look around blogs and comments - not all full of adulation #eltchat I'm afraid it is :-) from what I see |
OUPELTGlobal |
10:05 PM |
Thanks everyone! Very interesting comments. Have a good evening/morning/afternoon! #ELTchat |
shaznosel |
10:05 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal so you mean the editors should sit in the classroom or teach the cb! like that idea!!#eltchat |
rliberni |
10:06 PM |
@shaznosel Commercial aspects have to be considered to only natural #eltchat |
gret |
10:06 PM |
Thanks everyone for a great #eltchat tonight! So much to think about! |
LukeMeddings |
10:06 PM |
n there will be a range of editors and mentors working with authors on @wetheround titles - it's collaborative and it's growing :) #eltchat |
agarridodiez |
10:06 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal they love it. That's exactly the main purpose of learning: communicating & sharing. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10:06 PM |
Great and very interesting #ELtchat this eve/morn/afternoo all !!! Thanks for joining and sharing thoughts - anyone for the summary? |
Marisa_C |
10:07 PM |
@vbenevolofranca Wow great!!! Thanks Valeria!!! #eltchat |
agarridodiez |
10:07 PM |
@AnneShirley2011 @marisa_c they should, otherwise they don't know who they are teaching. #eltchat |
rliberni |
10:07 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: Want to know more about the #eltchat symposium at #IATEFL Glasgow? Listen to @Shaunwilden on the new #eltchat podcast: http://t.co/FQrt0Kjw |
Marisa_C |
10:07 PM |
@fionamau YikeS and mieaow! #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
10:07 PM |
@vbenevolofranca @Marisa_C Very kind of you to offer thank you #eltchat |
ELTExperiences |
10:07 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal @shaznosel but are these editors using old teaching practices as some approaches were not discovered until recently? #eltchat |
fionamau |
10:07 PM |
@Marisa_C #eltchat I missed it! Family stuff cropped up!! :( & my cat sat on the laptop & reconfigured it while I was busy! 1 of those days. |
vbenevolofranca |
10:07 PM |
@Shaunwilden If no one offered to do summary, I can, if I can have the weekend to work on it. Let me know.#eltchat |
LostInLanguages |
10:08 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @Raquel_EFL: How can editors create content if they don't teach anymore? #eltchat > authors create content, editors edit |
OUPELTGlobal |
10:08 PM |
@ELTExperiences @shaznosel We like to think not, and we stay abreast of changes and keep learning ourselves! And we have #ELTchat to help! |
reasons4 |
10:08 PM |
RT @Marisa_C @reasons4 we must be reading different blogs :-) #eltchat or doing it with different eyes? |
rliberni |
10:08 PM |
RT @CliveSir: RT @ELTExperiences: At the end of the day course ebooks and ebooks can't replace good [..] teaching. #eltchat |
shaznosel |
10:08 PM |
@Marisa_C @teflerinha guess it's conservative approach that kills the book!! we are talking making money..another subject!#eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
10:08 PM |
@fionamau wow a tech savvy cat, you'lll make a fortune ;-) #eltchat |
rliberni |
10:08 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Ok time out me thinks we will come back to this one #eltchat |
rliberni |
10:09 PM |
@Raquel_EFL I'm inclined to agree with you but 1 size fits all is what sells I think #eltchat |
shaznosel |
10:09 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal LIKE!#ELTCHAT |
vmorgana |
10:09 PM |
Thanks everyone for this #eltchat, great topic, it was a pleasure to read your ideas :-) |
ElindaGjondedaj |
10:09 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: Want to know more about the #eltchat symposium at #IATEFL Glasgow? Listen to @Shaunwilden on the new #eltchat podcast: http://t.co/FQrt0Kjw |
ELTExperiences |
10:09 PM |
This evenings #eltchat was quite fast paced and evolving. Some interesting points were raised. Good night. |
toulasklavou |
10:09 PM |
Nice chatting with you all, Goodnight, all:)#eltchat |
shaznosel |
10:09 PM |
@ELTExperiences @OUPELTGlobal my point too..reality check needed!#ELTCHAT |
theteacherjames |
10:09 PM |
What a fantastic, fast moving, educational #eltchat this evening. Thanks everyone! |
shaznosel |
10:10 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal @ELTExperiences SUPER LIKE!#ELTCHAT |
OUPELTGlobal |
10:10 PM |
Goodnight #ELTchat -ers - very enjoyable. |
Marisa_C |
10:10 PM |
@reasons4 Perhaps I don't know .... #eltchat |
shaznosel |
10:11 PM |
#ELTCHAT - Thought I d lurk tonight but seemed it was a great topic to get your teeth into..night all!! |
ELTExperiences |
10:11 PM |
@shaznosel @OUPELTGlobal thanks for feedback. What is a publishers position on self-publishing? Supportive or reactive? #eltchat |
rliberni |
10:11 PM |
OK calling it a night gr8 chat & my gr8 co-mods @Marisa_C & @Shaunwilden cheers guys! #eltchat |
ElindaGjondedaj |
10:11 PM |
As always great chat!! Hopefully, see you next Wednesday! Have a lovely night! #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10:11 PM |
@cerirhiannon not butting in at all - :-) #ELTchat @reasons4 talking blogs you talking reviewing materials #eltchat |
AnneShirley2011 |
10:12 PM |
#ELtchat great ideass! tnx to all. Gd night |
Marisa_C |
10:12 PM |
RT @rliberni: OK calling it a night gr8 chat & my gr8 co-mods @Marisa_C & @Shaunwilden cheers guys! #eltchat > Cheers Berni |
cerirhiannon |
10:13 PM |
RT @shaznosel: @cerirhiannon thanks mods - very diplomatic job tonight - congrats! #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10:13 PM |
@shaznosel te he hee u were going a mile a minute - fab #ELTCHAT |
shaznosel |
10:13 PM |
@cerirhiannon thanks mods - very diplomatic job tonight - congrats! #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
10:14 PM |
@ELTExperiences @shaznosel Anything that produces good learning content is +ve. Publishers can help with this for sure. #ELTchat |
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