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The future of publishing in the ELT industry for teachers and students

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This is the transcript of #eltchat on 22.02.2012 on The future of publishing in the ELT industry for teachers and students.

 

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SueAnnan 9:01 PM #ELTchat 2day is "The future of publishing w/ the ELT industry 4 teachers & students" Author, Ts, publishers, come forth!
Marisa_C 9:01 PM Welcome everyone to #ELTchat - for 1 hr my tweets on the future of ELT publishing - pls join in and follow us - bring friend topic crucial
mariabossa 9:01 PM #eltchat hello from argentina, smiles 2 u all :)
shaznosel 9:01 PM @cerirhiannon @Shaunwilden @vickyloras let's tell that to the publishers!!!#eltchat
shaznosel 9:02 PM @mariabossa Buenos noches!!!#eltchat
OlegNesterenko 9:02 PM #eltchat hello from Ukraine!
ncguerreiro 9:02 PM @BrunoELT oops didn't know about #eltchat tonight. what time?
Marisa_C 9:02 PM @lclandfield devastated he can't attend #ELTchat - was hoping for more authors, rounders, publishers
Shaunwilden 9:02 PM Ok so the topic is The future of publishing with the ELT industry for Ts & Ss" #eltchat off we go
AnnLoseva 9:02 PM RT@SueAnnan: #ELTchat 2day is "The future of publishing w/ the ELT industry 4 teachers & students" Author, Ts, publishers, come forth!
mariabossa 9:02 PM @Marisa_C thanks!! :) #eltchat
gret 9:02 PM Hi everyone! So glad to be joining #eltchat! Great topic!
SueAnnan 9:03 PM @Shaunwilden  seems to me that could be a way that publishing is going #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:03 PM So can we begin with an opening statement by everyone? What do you think the future holds for ELT publishing? #ELtchat
harrisonmike 9:03 PM @Marisa_C @lclandfield I'm a rounder in development. But out of action for c. 30 mins. See u in second half #eltchat?
Shaunwilden 9:03 PM @SueAnnan And me to my ipad :-) #eltchat
mariabossa 9:03 PM @shaznosel buenas tardes for me, it's 6 pm in argentina :) #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:03 PM I downloaded 52 to my kindle #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:03 PM Sounds like a juicy #eltchat this evening!
Shaunwilden 9:03 PM @Marisa_C well i think there are 1 or 2 here #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:04 PM RT @rliberni: Maybe more online?#eltchat but  not all can access yet
SueAnnan 9:04 PM @theteacherjames  LOL #eltchat
rliberni 9:04 PM Maybe more online?#eltchat but  not all can access yet
shaznosel 9:04 PM @theteacherjames agree - two side of the coin and all that!! #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:04 PM @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan And me to the kindle on my iP@d! #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:04 PM RT @AnnLoseva: RT@theteacherjames: Sounds like a juicy #eltchat this evening! - juicy phrasing you're giving)
Shaunwilden 9:04 PM @SueAnnan I think it works for the resource book but not so sure for courte books etc #eltchat
AnnLoseva 9:04 PM RT@theteacherjames: Sounds like a juicy #eltchat this evening! - juicy phrasing you're giving)
Wiktor_K 9:04 PM I think the very fact that #eltchat decided to decide to include "..and students" in the question we're discussing points to a great change
Shaunwilden 9:05 PM RT @CliveSir: Dunno abt future of paper but together Harmer & Scrivener weigh a ton! #eltchat And so do their books :-)
AnnLoseva 9:05 PM RT@SueAnnan: I downloaded 52 to my kindle #ELTchat - I envy you and rest who did that, I can't work out a few things with amazon for Russia(
Marisa_C 9:05 PM @Wiktor_K Actually we hear very little from Ss about what kind of books they like  #eltchat
harrisonmike 9:05 PM @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan if uve tablets and wifi, u don't need a coursebook. Biggest vle out there - the Internet #eltchat
CliveSir 9:05 PM Dunno abt future of paper but together Harmer & Scrivener weigh a ton! #eltchat
shaznosel 9:05 PM @mariabossa bueno!#eltchat - I ve forgotten all my spanish - aabhg!
mscro1 9:05 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Ok so the topic is The future of publishing with the ELT industry for Ts & Ss" #eltchat off we go
rliberni 9:06 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @CliveSir: Dunno abt future of paper but together Harmer & Scrivener weigh a ton! #eltchat And so do their books :-) Lol
AnnLoseva 9:06 PM RT @Wiktor_K: I think the very fact that #eltchat decided to decide to include "..and students" in the question we're discussing points to a great change
rliberni 9:06 PM I think more collaboration like wikis and blogs too cheaper. easier to update etc..#eltchat
mariabossa 9:06 PM @shaznosel it's ok!! don't worry!! smiles :) #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:07 PM @Shaunwilden @harrisonmike @SueAnnan But give it a few years & all phones will be smart phones. That'll open things up. #eltchat
Wiktor_K 9:07 PM @Marisa_C Hmm,I think this is the beginning of a change - when ppl realize who to ask and what Qs to pose to make process more open #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:07 PM RT @theteacherjames: @BrunoELT @Wiktor_K CBs are by them (the authors)! ;-) #eltchat > some authors are teachers too ;)
mkofab 9:07 PM RT @mscro1: RT @Shaunwilden: @harrisonmike @SueAnnan Yes but a lot of students dont have tablets and cant afford them #eltchat > true, me neither
harrisonmike 9:07 PM @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan class set is probably more cost effective than a computer lab, if schools are looking that way #eltchat
ncguerreiro 9:07 PM good evening #eltchat . i reckon ESP is a trend of the future. it's already big, but may grow even bigger.
harrisonmike 9:08 PM @theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan coursebook on a tiny (relatively) smartphone screen?? No thanks #eltchat
vickyloras 9:08 PM @Shaunwilden Yep yep! #ELTChat
sandymillin 9:08 PM RT @harrisonmike: @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan if uve tablets and wifi, u don't need a coursebook. Biggest vle out there - the Internet #eltchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:08 PM Hello everyone #ELTCHAT
mscro1 9:08 PM My Sts would like less books more tablets or Ipads and so called ebooks but who will pay 4 that #eltchat
divyabrochier 9:08 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @harrisonmike @SueAnnan  I dont disagree Mike,personally would welcome it but I think we're still a bit behind that as a profession #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:08 PM @carl_robinson I think that's the way things are going - but the change is not simultaneous so it will come in waves I giess #ELTchat
AnnLoseva 9:08 PM RT@rliberni: I think more collaboration like wikis and blogs too cheaper. easier to update etc..#eltchat
shaznosel 9:08 PM @CliveSir So are books an enviromental issue/an accessory T s need/an essential item?#eltchat
SueAnnan 9:08 PM @theteacherjames  not sure I fancy my texts on a smartphone though #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:08 PM @harrisonmike @SueAnnan  I dont disagree Mike,personally would welcome it but I think we're still a bit behind that as a profession #eltchat
rliberni 9:08 PM with coursebooks the  thing is being current - takes too long to produce etc.. & then a lot is old hat #eltchat
mariabossa 9:08 PM @mscro1 agree w/u marijana, 2 expensive, even smart phones #eltchat
harrisonmike 9:08 PM @Shaunwilden also hence no point in ebook coursebooks #eltchat it's a non starter ATM
carl_robinson 9:08 PM @Shaunwilden Why? it can't be that much of a leap surely? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:09 PM @Raquel_EFL we're talking about materials first and authorship second i guess - where and how and then who  #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:09 PM RT @theteacherjames:  interested to know how many still teach. No idea at the moment. #eltchat > me neither!
Wiktor_K 9:09 PM @carl_robinson @Marisa_C Wrote a few words on that (and giving the iBooks author a try these days): http://t.co/UZUo9zi3 #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 9:09 PM RT @Marisa_C: @carl_robinson I think that's the way things are going - but the change is not simultaneous so it will come in waves I giess #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:09 PM RT @mscro1: My Sts would like less books more tablets or Ipads and so called ebooks but who will pay 4 that #eltchat
divyabrochier 9:09 PM RT @sandymillin: #eltchat I think a lot of students are still much more comfortable w. paper books. Maybe as SS at school now come thru this will change
shaznosel 9:09 PM RT @mscro1: RT @Shaunwilden: @harrisonmike @SueAnnan Yes but a lot of students dont have tablets and cant afford them #eltchat > true, me neither
SueAnnan 9:09 PM @harrisonmike  with you on that MIke #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:09 PM @cerirhiannon I was waiting for that! I'd be genuinely interested to know how many still teach. No idea at the moment. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:09 PM @carl_robinson Well coming from ther PLS side of things, I just dont think most can afford the tech (yet) #eltchat
carl_robinson 9:10 PM @Shaunwilden #ELTchat I agree about the affordability, but we are seeing more MoEs out there seeking and offering funding for tech...
CliveSir 9:10 PM RT @rliberni: I think we need to consider that not everybody has internet access or even electricity all the time tho #eltchat
rliberni 9:10 PM RT @naomishema: I'm puzzled - whether its in print or on a Ipad some publisher is still preparing the content & it will cost money to use,no? #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:10 PM @harrisonmike @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan But you're thinking about books you know on phones you know. Who knows what the future holds. #eltchat
rliberni 9:10 PM RT @Wiktor_K: @carl_robinson @Marisa_C Wrote a few words on that (and giving the iBooks author a try these days): http://t.co/UZUo9zi3 #eltchat
CliveSir 9:10 PM @shaznosel paper books (and a helluva lot of photocopying) are still essentials on my celta course #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:10 PM @carl_robinson  On other hand I think that it is ready for the teachers as shown by 52 &people who are now putting up resources etc #eltchat
naomishema 9:10 PM I'm puzzled - whether its in print or on a Ipad some publisher is still preparing the content & it will cost money to use,no? #eltchat
mariabossa 9:10 PM @Marisa_C for sure, not the goverment, at least here in Argentina #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:11 PM RT @mscro1: @mariabossa yes I agree, love paper books, but am all 4 ebooks as well #eltchat > what about the Ss? What do they love?
mkofab 9:11 PM RT @mscro1: @mariabossa yes I agree, love paper books, but am all 4 ebooks as well #eltchat
sandymillin 9:11 PM RT @rliberni: I think we need to consider that not everybody has internet access or even electricity all the time tho #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 9:11 PM @mariabossa #ELTchat That's interesting, Maria. Do you mean paper books, or 'books' as a concept (ie poss digital?)
theteacherjames 9:11 PM @harrisonmike @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan Screens might get bigger, books might get smaller, content can change, consumption can change. #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:11 PM @theteacherjames "who knows what the future holds'  #eltchat > some indications already out there I think
mscro1 9:11 PM @mariabossa yes I agree, love paper books, but am all 4 ebooks as well #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:11 PM @Raquel_EFL  I think it is a wide ranging topic #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:11 PM Just look at things such as onestopenglish. You can download whole lessons, without needing a coursebook #ELTchat
rliberni 9:11 PM @naomishema  yes but should be cheaper online & more flexible  #eltchat
mariabossa 9:11 PM #eltchat books will be forever, even if we go online all the time
mariabossa 9:12 PM @Marisa_C Ss love whatever thing where they don't have to study! LOL #eltchat
ncguerreiro 9:12 PM @mariabossa perhaps books with an online collaboration component? #eltchat
AnnLoseva 9:12 PM @mariabossa #ELTchat I agree and u think that's a good way to go, the improvement should get to content
naomishema 9:12 PM RT @BrunoELT: Why discussing into what a textbook will become (tables etc). We shld discuss its contente first and foremost #eltchat > right
theteacherjames 9:12 PM @Marisa_C Sure, but it's really difficult to predict what will happen with any certainty. The future is surprising. #eltchat
mariabossa 9:12 PM @OUPELTGlobal paper books!! i love them!!! #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:12 PM @carl_robinson Well you prob more informed than me,  do you think its the future? #eltchat
rliberni 9:12 PM RT @CliveSir: @shaznosel paper books (and a helluva lot of photocopying) are still essentials on my celta course #eltchat
rliberni 9:12 PM @Shaunwilden  EFL quotes Lol :-) #eltchat
AnnLoseva 9:13 PM RT@mscro1: @mariabossa yes I agree, love paper books, but am all 4 ebooks as well #eltchat - I'm passionate ab paper books!
divyabrochier 9:13 PM @theteacherjames @Marisa_C James what would an "ideal" scenario be for you as a teacher in the future? #eltchat
rliberni 9:13 PM RT @SueAnnan: Just look at things such as onestopenglish. You can download whole lessons, without needing a coursebook #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:13 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @ncguerreiro: @mariabossa  books with an online collaboration component? #eltchat already happening > yes and growing
OUPELTGlobal 9:13 PM @naomishema @rliberni #ELTchat Yes, it does. Often more because paper and digital content have different costs, as well as diff VAT :-(
rliberni 9:13 PM RT @mariabossa: #eltchat books will be forever, even if we go online all the time not sure they may become 'vintage items'
SueAnnan 9:13 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @ncguerreiro: @mariabossa perhaps books w/ an online collaboration component? #eltchat I think ths is alrdy happening
cerirhiannon 9:13 PM RT @Wiktor_K: I think it's not about a new phone model or gadget - what ppl didn't have 30yrs ago is the ease to co-work across globe & write sth #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:13 PM RT @ncguerreiro: @mariabossa perhaps books with an online collaboration component? #eltchat I think this is already happening
Wiktor_K 9:13 PM I think it's not about a new phone model or gadget - what ppl didn't have 30yrs ago is the ease to co-work across globe & write sth #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:14 PM RT @shaznosel: #eltchat  are published books geared to our needs? > what do u think Sharon?
AnnLoseva 9:14 PM RT @Wiktor_K: I think it's not about a new phone model or gadget - what ppl didn't have 30yrs ago is the ease to co-work across globe & write sth #eltchat
rliberni 9:14 PM @Marisa_C  I think that's the point what will the stds choose? #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:14 PM @divyabrochier Blimey, in a 140 characters? Give me a minute! #eltchat
divyabrochier 9:14 PM @AnnLoseva So am I:) #eltchat
jankenb2 9:14 PM @Marisa_C @mscro1 @mariabossa #eltchat I don't have a tablet, but I have a Kindle. I like it for fiction, poetry & pdf's.
mariabossa 9:14 PM @AnnLoseva sure, at least we'll be 2 who love books #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:14 PM RT @shaznosel: #eltchat I think it's the content of the books that matter - not if they are on-line or paper - are published books geared to our needs?
shaznosel 9:14 PM #eltchat I think it's the content of the books that matter - not if they are on-line or paper - are published books geared to our needs?
divyabrochier 9:14 PM RT @AnnLoseva: RT@mscro1: @mariabossa yes I agree, love paper books, but am all 4 ebooks as well #eltchat - I'm passionate ab paper books!
shaznosel 9:15 PM @CliveSir Agree - something about those copies hey!#eltchat
vmorgana 9:15 PM Hi everybody, sorry for being late! Are u talking about coursebooks? #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:15 PM RT @Marisa_C:  future would be a website where I can put a co-created 'book' together-an end product #eltchat > nice!
reasons4 9:15 PM I hope paper books remain until someone does some hard and fast research into the pedagogical value of technology,  #eltchat
divyabrochier 9:15 PM RT @bamarcia: RT @sandymillin: #eltchat As a student, I couldn't work from a screen all the time, but happy to use it to supplement. > Same here!
bamarcia 9:15 PM RT @sandymillin: #eltchat As a student, I couldn't work from a screen all the time, but happy to use it to supplement. > Same here!
rliberni 9:15 PM RT @ncguerreiro: @mariabossa perhaps books with an online collaboration component? #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:15 PM RT @sandymillin: #eltchat As a student, I couldn't work from a screen all the time, but happy to use it to supplement. me too
Marisa_C 9:15 PM For me the ideal future would be a website where I can put a co-created 'book' together-an end product rather than a prefab object #eltchat
sandymillin 9:15 PM #eltchat As a student, I couldn't work from a screen all the time, but happy to use it to supplement.
mscro1 9:15 PM @Marisa_C  I don't know, I think my are lazy to read at all, but need to change that #eltchat
divyabrochier 9:15 PM @theteacherjames ha ha::)) #eltchat
carl_robinson 9:15 PM @Shaunwilden #ELTchat I think it's a force to be reckoned with and will cause change - is what we have now THE future - too diff to say
theteacherjames 9:16 PM @divyabrochier I would like access to information quickly & without delay for me & sts. iP@d is half way there. #eltchat #notaboutpublishing
naomishema 9:16 PM #eltchat Different SS have different learning styles. I have teens who DISLIKE working on the computer, would you believe?!
mscro1 9:16 PM @jankenb2  gr8 I still don't know what that is, sorry, 2 expensive 4 me, wud like 2 have 1 4 sure, hope soon #eltchat, my Sts wud love that2
IHKoeln 9:16 PM @sandymillin Our German students keep asking for books. They can't imagine a class without paper #eltchat
rliberni 9:16 PM Does anybody still use cassette tapes now? #eltchat or even CDs?
shaznosel 9:16 PM @ncguerreiro @rliberni @mariabossa these work well - ss love the interactive parts #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:16 PM RT @CliveSir: Online books shud not be simply pdfs of paper - they need 2 be interactive, write on page #eltchat
ncguerreiro 9:16 PM RT @reasons4: I hope paper books remain until someone does some hard and fast research into the pedagogical value of technology,  #eltchat
vickyloras 9:16 PM RT @shaznosel: #eltchat I think it's the content of the books that matter - not if they are on-line or paper - are published books geared to our needs?
reasons4 9:16 PM You only have to follow twitter to realise the fickle nature of technologists out there and their new latest toy. #eltchat
gret 9:16 PM @rliberni @Marisa_C depends on the age group, I guess.. YL/Teens would love to use ipads! Some Adults still prefer paper books. #eltchat
gret 9:16 PM @rliberni @Marisa_C depends on the age group, I guess.. YL/Teens would love to use ipads! Some Adults still prefer paper books. #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 9:16 PM RT @divyabrochier: @theteacherjames @Marisa_C James what would an "ideal" scenario be for you as a teacher in the future? #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 9:16 PM RT @divyabrochier: @theteacherjames @Marisa_C James what would an "ideal" scenario be for you as a teacher in the future? #eltchat
sandymillin 9:16 PM #eltchat As a student, I like books which have culture, stories, history but aren't full of pop culture. Want to get to know the country/ppl
CliveSir 9:16 PM Online books shud not be simply pdfs of paper - they need 2 be interactive, write on page #eltchat
Wiktor_K 9:16 PM @shaznosel Sadly, they're not - maybe an answer would be a "modular" book which you could put together & print on demand? #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 9:16 PM @ncguerreiro @mariabossa That's a nice idea - what would the online component be?#ELTchat
ncguerreiro 9:17 PM RT @cerirhiannon: RT @sandymillin: #eltchat As a student,Want to get to know the country/ppl > but which country? which pppl? english = the world
AnnLoseva 9:17 PM RT@mariabossa: @AnnLoseva sure, at least we'll be 2 who love books #ELTchat - but! Do coursebooks really fall in that category of good book?
kevinmace 9:17 PM books will always be around just like scrolls and stone tablets #eltchat
shaznosel 9:17 PM @SueAnnan yea..where would we doodle without paper??#eltchat
jankenb2 9:17 PM @Marisa_C #eltchat When you say co-created, are you arguing for access to CC print material or actually writing/designing an interactive bk?
sandymillin 9:17 PM @cerirhiannon that's the problem with english! but also an advantage as ss can learn about ppl from all over the world #eltchat
ncguerreiro 9:17 PM @reasons4 on the other hand, there's no hard n fast research to back up current paper book syllabi either. #eltchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:17 PM RT @sandymillin: #eltchat As a student, I like books which have culture, stories, history but aren't full of pop culture. Want to get to know the country/ppl
Shaunwilden 9:17 PM @reasons4 I dont think its a pedagogical argument, I like my books on my ipad for example others like them on paper :-) #eltchat
mkofab 9:17 PM RT @rliberni: Does anybody still use cassette tapes now? #eltchat or even CDs?> yes, if content is good I don't see why not
cerirhiannon 9:17 PM RT @sandymillin: #eltchat As a student,Want to get to know the country/ppl > but which country? which pppl? english = the world
sandymillin 9:17 PM #eltchat What about printable coursebooks? Guess that's what you already have w/ resource sites, but sth like pick & choose units 2 print
carl_robinson 9:17 PM RT @shaznosel: #eltchat I think it's the content of the books that matter - not if they are on-line or paper - are published books geared to our needs?
Marisa_C 9:17 PM @gret welcome greta! I like books too! My problem is I can't find ONE that fits the bill  #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 9:18 PM @CliveSir Agree. Learning should be interactive. Determining 'good' interaction is a challenge, though? No? #ELTchat
rliberni 9:18 PM @Marisa_C  this is what I try to do with Gapfillers then the stds create their own bank of materials from the resources #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:18 PM @reasons4 we still have a lot of those with great content and digitalising them  #eltchat
ncguerreiro 9:18 PM @naomishema i've had that experience, too! #eltchat n there r teens who love pcs but not for studying.
vickyloras 9:18 PM @rliberni Unbelievable, but I have had to use cassette tapes here for three months : ( #ELTChat
cerirhiannon 9:18 PM RT @sandymillin: #eltchat definitely an advantage I'd say ;)
OUPELTGlobal 9:18 PM RT @CliveSir: Online books shud not be simply pdfs of paper - they need 2 be interactive, write on page #eltchat
divyabrochier 9:18 PM #eltchat, I think ELT publishing will change bec books are becoming less relevant/often too general and people are moving away from that
Marisa_C 9:18 PM @jankenb2 talking about selection and co-creation of content #eltchat
rliberni 9:18 PM RT @Marisa_C: For me the ideal future would be a website where I can put a co-created 'book' together-an end product rather than a prefab object #eltchat
ELTExperiences 9:19 PM @Shaunwilden yes it was. #eltchat
Wiktor_K 9:19 PM @kevinmace Agreed. TV didn't kill cinema, internet didn't likk TV...it's the way a book is published and though out that can change #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:19 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: @CliveSir Agree. Learning should be interactive. Determining 'good' interaction is a challenge, though? No? #ELTchat
mariabossa 9:19 PM @OUPELTGlobal online component... same as paper componet #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:19 PM @cerirhiannon I guess i can see what the writer was trying to achieve but doesn't always work in the classroom..#eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:19 PM @ELTExperiences Hi martin, was this your topic? #eltchat
rliberni 9:19 PM RT @reasons4: I hope paper books remain until someone does some hard and fast research into the pedagogical value of technology,  #eltchat
mscro1 9:19 PM cannot folow U need to go now #eltchat kids go to bed, night
mariabossa 9:19 PM @vickyloras don't worry, i still use cassettes as well :) #ELTChat
sandymillin 9:19 PM @naomishema yep, can believe that. i have a 20-year-old ss who one-finger types and hates computers #eltchat
ELTExperiences 9:19 PM What about textbooks for teachers? Surely ebooks aimed for teachers are more suitable rather than student ebooks. #eltchat
AnnLoseva 9:19 PM RT@divyabrochier: #eltchat ELT publishing will change bec books are becoming less relevant/often too general and ppl r moving away from that
Shaunwilden 9:19 PM @carl_robinson Yes its is hard to say esp given the speed of tech advancement but also on the slow speed of uptake by education #eltchat
Janetwilson111 9:20 PM @kevinmace eltchat# but scrolls and stone tabs. are no longer around
sandymillin 9:20 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: @CliveSir Agree. Learning should be interactive #ELTchat but does interactive have to mean online? could be real world 2
saibef 9:20 PM RT @sandymillin: #eltchat As a student, I like books which have culture, stories, history but aren't full of pop culture. Want to get to know the country/ppl
mariabossa 9:20 PM RT @gret: @Marisa_C Thanks Marisa! I have the same problem! I end up using different material and/or writing my own… #eltchat
louisealix68 9:20 PM digital books need better software for those of use who scribble and highlight! #eltchat
toulasklavou 9:20 PM Hi everyone!#eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:20 PM @ELTExperiences And is there a particular aspect you wanted to discuss? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:20 PM @sandymillin  #eltchat @naomishema  It's a strange time - like women and their roles - the ground is not EVEN yet :-)
gret 9:20 PM @Marisa_C Thanks Marisa! I have the same problem! I end up using different material and/or writing my own… #eltchat
Janetwilson111 9:20 PM RT @kevinmace: books will always be around just like scrolls and stone tablets #eltchat
ELTExperiences 9:21 PM @Shaunwilden I wanted to see the potential benefits and drawbacks for ebooks in the classroom for both students as well as teachers #eltchat
AnnLoseva 9:21 PM @divyabrochier #ELTchat books should reflect public's (sts'& tchrs' in our case) preferences & changes in this aspect r too global to ignore
divyabrochier 9:21 PM RT @theteacherjames: @divyabrochier I would like access to information quickly & without delay for me & sts. iP@d is half way there. #eltchat #notaboutpublishing
jankenb2 9:21 PM @Marisa_C #eltchat Oh, I though it was digital texts But co-created course material; caches of print/digital resources 2 use in course? Yes.
gret 9:21 PM @OUPELTGlobal @CliveSir Couldn't agree more! Students can get more involved & learning becomes meaningful! #eltchat
CliveSir 9:21 PM @OUPELTGlobal I imagine u r right, but that's always role of a good educator, no? #eltchat
padgets 9:21 PM @BrunoELT #eltchat hi everyone!  Just lurking and am proud to say I am moving from the science dept to esl next year! So..I will be here!
divyabrochier 9:21 PM #eltchat and if you want to "grab a lesson out of a book" as opposed to one you've written yourself... much nicer using current events
theteacherjames 9:22 PM RT @CliveSir: Online books shud not be simply pdfs of paper - they need 2 be interactive, write on page #eltchat
shaznosel 9:22 PM @cerirhiannon I mean..topics of interest change so quickly, the writers can't keep up s plus the audio or visuals may not be great#eltchat
alisoniredale 9:22 PM RT @familysimpson: Rt @CliveSir: Online books shud not be simply pdfs of paper - they need 2 be interactive, write on page #eltchat < embed video/audio too!
jankenb2 9:22 PM @Raquel_EFL #eltchat Yes, I am studying Turkish and I find that the online tools are great for rote-mem but I prefer printed materials.
ncguerreiro 9:22 PM #eltchat ebooks make me think of authorship.is it gonna be more democratic? as in common teachers selling w/ no big publisher 2 back'em up?
louisealix68 9:22 PM I see future of digital, interactive books with multi spoken translation option. Wonderful! #eltchat
familysimpson 9:22 PM Rt @CliveSir: Online books shud not be simply pdfs of paper - they need 2 be interactive, write on page #eltchat < embed video/audio too!
naomishema 9:22 PM My hope 4 a  digital future is more space 4 niche publications. There may not B many special ed SS but they need their materials 2! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:22 PM RT @ELTExperiences: I wanted to see the potential benefits  & drawbacks for ebooks in the c/room for both sts as well as teachers #eltchat
rliberni 9:22 PM @mkofab  not so easy always to get  tape recorders now can you still buy them? not always  I mean the physical thing not content #eltchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:22 PM RT @theteacherjames: @divyabrochier I would like access to information quickly & without delay for me & sts. iP@d is half way there. #eltchat #notaboutpublishing
vmorgana 9:22 PM @ncguerreiro thanks #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:23 PM @AnnLoseva But isnt interactivity the teachers job not the materials? #eltchat
ELTExperiences 9:23 PM My centre has access to iPads abt 11 and sts love them. If courses could be delivered in conjunction to trad books, that's great. #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:23 PM RT @shaznosel:  plus the audio or visuals may not be great#eltchat > agree totally that internet content always better for audio and images
shaznosel 9:23 PM @carl_robinson content is the key word and motivating..#eltchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:23 PM RT @familysimpson: Rt @CliveSir: Online books shud not be simply pdfs of paper - they need 2 be interactive, write on page #eltchat < embed video/audio too!
pennyhands 9:23 PM What do people think about authors self-publishing, and avoiding working with the major publishers? #eltchat
gret 9:23 PM @padgets @BrunoELT Yay! So excited for you my friend! =) #eltchat
AnnLoseva 9:23 PM #ELTchat I'm sure interactivity will become key component, and somehow the ability to UPD the content easily
rliberni 9:23 PM @vickyloras  I still use mine too but  not easy to find players #eltchat
Wiktor_K 9:23 PM @AnnLoseva @divyabrochier But the changes are also too hard to respond to globally, no? At least for a paper book...#eltchat
divyabrochier 9:23 PM @AnnLoseva what do you mean by preference? attractive topics or domain-specific vocab like what you have to work with? #eltchat
ELTExperiences 9:24 PM @cerirhiannon @shaznosel but ebooks for the iPad can incorporate the Internet with videos and listening as well. #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:24 PM The one size fits all idea of generic coursebooks is a problem these days#ELTchat
ncguerreiro 9:24 PM RT @familysimpson: Rt @CliveSir: Online books shud not be simply pdfs of paper - they need 2 be interactive, write on page #eltchat < embed video/audio too!
ElindaGjondedaj 9:24 PM RT @reasons4: #eltchat the world of technology is too fickle. Publishers should concentrate on good content. Let the maverns play and experiment.
mariabossa 9:24 PM @Marisa_C  10000000% agree w/u!! #ELTchat
mkofab 9:24 PM RT @rliberni: Yes, we still have a few at school :-) If  I cannot have a room with computer, I use it. Why throw it away? #eltchat
Wiktor_K 9:24 PM @pennyhands It's now easier and more fun than ever to self-publish :) #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:24 PM RT @louisealix68: perhaps good option not think in terms of 'books' but 'articles' or 'chapters'. So ss/tt can pick and choose and compile own books #eltchat
AnnLoseva 9:24 PM #ELTchat an ELT coursebook differs from a book in general that it does not just tell 1 story once and for all, so it should adapt to reality
AnnLoseva 9:24 PM #ELTchat an ELT coursebook differs from a book in general that it does not just tell 1 story once and for all, so it should adapt to reality
vbenevolofranca 9:24 PM RT @CliveSir: Online books shud not be simply pdfs of paper - they need 2 be interactive, write on page #eltchat>ideal combination
vbenevolofranca 9:24 PM RT @CliveSir: Online books shud not be simply pdfs of paper - they need 2 be interactive, write on page #eltchat>ideal combination
Marisa_C 9:24 PM On the other hand, I find that I really love some very very old printed books - mainly ones which have powerful contexts/stories #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:24 PM On the other hand, I find that I really love some very very old printed books - mainly ones which have powerful contexts/stories #ELTchat
ncguerreiro 9:24 PM RT @pennyhands: What do people think about authors self-publishing, and avoiding working with the major publishers? #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:24 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @reasons4 I dont think its a pedagogical argument, I like my books on my ipad for example others like them on paper :-) #eltchat
louisealix68 9:24 PM perhaps good option not think in terms of 'books' but 'articles' or 'chapters'. So ss/tt can pick and choose and compile own books #eltchat
reasons4 9:24 PM #eltchat the world of technology is too fickle. Publishers should concentrate on good content. Let the maverns play and experiment.
SueAnnan 9:24 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @AnnLoseva But isnt interactivity the teachers job not the materials? #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:25 PM @cerirhiannon  I think more noticeable because content easier to find in other places that is more relevant sometimes #ELTchat
AnnLoseva 9:25 PM @Shaunwilden #ELTchat hopefully there's a way to be found to make these ends meet&work together one helping the other
ncguerreiro 9:25 PM @familysimpson @CliveSir n they shouldn't be a step back in methodology! some sites r fill-in-the-blanks only. what's the point! #eltchat
divyabrochier 9:25 PM @SueAnnan couldn't agree more! #eltchat
rliberni 9:25 PM @Marisa_C  me too but am inclined to think that digital course books easier to adapt to different students #eltchat
mariabossa 9:25 PM @Marisa_C definitely, yes :) #ELTchat
divyabrochier 9:25 PM RT @SueAnnan: The one size fits all idea of generic coursebooks is a problem these days#ELTchat
louisealix68 9:25 PM @Marisa_C Love books, guard them with my life, move them round the world (much to husband's dismay) but believe future is digital #eltchat
harrisonmike 9:25 PM @ncguerreiro may be a lack of quality control here #eltchat why something like the round @wetheround might just work
carl_robinson 9:25 PM @reasons4 to an extent agree. but finding 'agnostic' tech approaches would free up these concerns and allow good content to be done #ELTchat
divyabrochier 9:25 PM RT @Marisa_C: A powerful story, a memorable context are things that are very hard to find in current printed materials #ELTchat  (even tho not authentic)
Marisa_C 9:25 PM A powerful story, a memorable context are things that are very hard to find in current printed materials #ELTchat  (even tho not authentic)
cerirhiannon 9:25 PM RT @SueAnnan: The one size fits all idea of generic coursebooks is a problem these days#ELTchat > any bigger than it ever was?  or the same?
AnneShirley2011 9:25 PM #eltchat Interactivity of the books are important, are e-books interactive?
Shaunwilden 9:25 PM @Wiktor_K @pennyhands And potentially more dangerous  #eltchat
divyabrochier 9:25 PM @AnnLoseva #eltchat I think that's asking a lot of a textbook though...
jobethsteel 9:26 PM @ncguerreiro @pennyhands I think self-publishing is a great idea.  If it's good people will use it. Not so hard anymore either. #eltchat
AnnLoseva 9:26 PM RT@Marisa_C: A powerful story, a memorable context are things that are very hard to find in current printed materials #ELTchat
harrisonmike 9:26 PM @theteacherjames true dat! A very good point! #eltchat
Wiktor_K 9:26 PM @Shaunwilden @pennyhands How so? Never thought of myself as a dangerous man once I'm out of the kitchen ;) #eltchat
ELTExperiences 9:26 PM @cerirhiannon @SueAnnan and the traditional coursebook fits this aspect. Interactive ebooks are more suited to digital natives #eltchat
divyabrochier 9:26 PM RT @theteacherjames: @harrisonmike @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan What I'm trying to get at is what seems normal today can become outdated with the right tech. #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 9:26 PM @AnneShirley2011 they can be, and will be more so with the arrival of ePub3 as a standard, yes! #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:26 PM RT @SueAnnan:I think more noticeable because content easier to find in other places that is more relevant sometimes #ELTchat > yes, agree
gret 9:26 PM @Marisa_C Totally! Some old paper books are still a must for me! #eltchat
jankenb2 9:26 PM @Shaunwilden @ELTExperiences #eltchat Positives of online texts, tools or resources depends on Ts skill, instr. goal, Ss tech literacy etc
epicenterone 9:26 PM RT @CliveSir: Online books shud not be simply pdfs of paper - they need 2 be interactive, write on page #eltchat
vbenevolofranca 9:26 PM @Shaunwilden @AnnLoseva Yes, but see it as teacher really as facilitator in class which may be corrollary o ebooks in class #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:26 PM @harrisonmike @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan What I'm trying to get at is what seems normal today can become outdated with the right tech. #eltchat
shaznosel 9:26 PM @Wiktor_K print on demand sounds perfect but what t has the time??so the CB is essential for those Ts working 6 hrs a day..#eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:26 PM @ELTExperiences @shaznosel  but copyright issues are huge - much better to source your own - more likely to be uptodate #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:27 PM @ELTexperiences some digital CBs are VERY trad ... not the medium, the content, medium not enough to make it new #eltchat
Wiktor_K 9:27 PM @shaznosel Yes, but 4 DoS to pick modules online 4 perfect coursebook & have it meet Ss needs (e.g. in ESP) - dreamy...#eltchat
louisealix68 9:27 PM just asked 16 yr old daughter +15 yr old son - not like idea of digital books in class! (habit?) #eltchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:27 PM @AnneShirley2011 you can find interactive textbooks on iPads ibookstore. They differ from simple pdfs #eltchat
harrisonmike 9:27 PM The immediate future of ELT publishing, pc or tablet or phone, will be app-based. That's the ecosystem ATM #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:27 PM RT @reasons4: #eltchat the world of technology is 2 fickle. Publishers shld concentrate on gd content. Let the maverns play & experiment.
Shaunwilden 9:27 PM @vbenevolofranca Yes i just worry that if pple think the interactivity shld be in the material then it will be all bells & whistles #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:27 PM @harrisonmike Ta. That's why I don't like predicting with any certainty. The future is mysterious, & I love it! #eltchat
mariabossa 9:27 PM @gret some books are a must but impossible to get nowadays :( #eltchat
ELTExperiences 9:27 PM @cerirhiannon @shaznosel unless publishers start to move towards including their own videos, etc via YouTube #eltchat
ncguerreiro 9:27 PM RT @AnneShirley2011: #eltchat Interactivity of the books are important, are e-books interactive?
Shaunwilden 9:28 PM @naomishema This is true in quite a few countries, books have to be approved by the relevant government department #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:28 PM RT @jobethsteel: @ncguerreiro @pennyhands self-publishing great idea.  If good people will use it. #eltchat > agree but quality so imp
harrisonmike 9:28 PM #eltchat RT @naomishema: In Israeli schools one can only use ministry sanctioned materials. that means self published books are out!
gret 9:28 PM @mariabossa Hey Maria! =) I know! Most books are so expensive! Sad, sad #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:28 PM RT @Marisa_C: @sandymillin  #eltchat @naomishema  It's a strange time - like women and their roles - the ground is not EVEN yet :-)
mkofab 9:28 PM RT @cerirhiannon: @ELTexperiences some digital CBs are VERY trad ... not the medium, the content, medium not enough to make it new #eltchat
naomishema 9:28 PM In Israeli schools one can only use ministry sanctioned materials. that means self published books are out! #eltchat
shaznosel 9:28 PM @cerirhiannon i feel sorry for writers sometimes when i see what has happened to their work in the finished product! #ELTCHAT
Shaunwilden 9:28 PM RT @naomishema: In Israeli schools one can only use ministry sanctioned materials. that means self published books are out! #eltchat
ELTExperiences 9:28 PM RT @harrisonmike: The immediate future of ELT publishing, pc or tablet or phone, will be app-based. That's the ecosystem ATM #eltchat
jobethsteel 9:28 PM ‚Äú@rliberni: @Marisa_C  me too but am inclined to think that digital course books easier to adapt to different students #eltchat‚Äù
AnnLoseva 9:28 PM @ELTExperiences @cerirhiannon @sueannan #ELTchat yess, and there will always be the two parties I think
jankenb2 9:28 PM @Marisa_C #eltchat How does student blogging fit into this discussion? Blogging is self-authored texts and c/be powerful & relevant content.
Shaunwilden 9:28 PM @Wiktor_K Well for one sts need to know who wrote the book, also editors do play a large part in guiding material to level etc #eltchat
ELTExperiences 9:29 PM Should teachers consider to create their own post-study course ebooks for learners so that they can review after course? #eltchat
Sciencematters 9:29 PM yes for all including sts “@Wiktor_K: @pennyhands It's now easier and more fun than ever to self-publish :) #eltchat”
cerirhiannon 9:29 PM @ELTExperiences @shaznosel  publishers don't have the money/vision/resources (at the moment) to produce  right kind of vid material#eltchat
Wiktor_K 9:29 PM @Shaunwilden OK, agreed. But big publishers are also kinda dangerous here - some coursebooks smell faintly of product placement...#eltchat
teflerinha 9:29 PM @louisealix68 yes, I agree actually, but think many teachers alrdy do ths w/ a range of CBs plus online stuff & realia #eltchat
harrisonmike 9:29 PM @carl_robinson good point. More variety than just apps is out there. I think more ppl more familiar with apps though #eltchat
rliberni 9:29 PM RT @SueAnnan: The one size fits all idea of generic coursebooks is a problem these days#ELTchat YES agree that's why digital is so gr8
mariabossa 9:29 PM @gret oh yes! I spent almost 100 US$ in books last week & I only bought 3 books!!! :( #eltchat
vbenevolofranca 9:29 PM @Shaunwilden Yes like those early power points with sound effects! #eltchat
louisealix68 9:29 PM RT @naomishema: In Israeli schools one can only use ministry sanctioned materials. that means self published books are out! #eltchat
rliberni 9:29 PM @mkofab  nor would I, I use them too but we were talking about  the future and cassettes (& records went so maybe course books too? #eltchat
divyabrochier 9:29 PM @harrisonmike I agree but do you think anything else will happen? will publishers try to adapt to the wave of less is more? #eltchat
mkofab 9:30 PM @rliberni  I see. Yes, I think that to some extent  they will  disappear #eltchat
harrisonmike 9:30 PM @divyabrochier I say 'no more whistles and bells please. Nope, English grammar in use apps are not welcome for me!' #eltchat
jankenb2 9:30 PM @Shaunwilden @naomishema #eltchat Hmmm. The net is the 1st stop for knowledge and how many go deeper than the 3rd hit on Google?
cerirhiannon 9:30 PM RT @harrisonmike: The immediate future of ELT publishing, pc or tablet or phone, will be app-based. That's the ecosystem ATM #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:30 PM @Shaunwilden @vbenevolofranca  interactivity in the task design not the bells and whistles?  #eltchat
jobethsteel 9:30 PM @shaznosel @cerirhiannon I always guessed got butchered cos no teacher worth their salt woud really have written some of  them #eltchat
ELT_T2W 9:30 PM Late arrival here! What about more teachers becoming writers? How do you feel about making the transition? #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:30 PM @ELTExperiences YES! Get a bit more up to date - move with the times - do they ever carry out market research?? on real Ts or ss??#eltchat
Marisa_C 9:31 PM @louisealix68 Me too - even old handouts and lessons!! Gotta clear up!!!!!  #eltchat
rliberni 9:31 PM @ncguerreiro  but newer content is so much more than just that #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:31 PM @jankenb2 Which brings up also of digital literacy debates and how we as tchrs shld help sts find the right hit #eltchat
shaznosel 9:31 PM #eltchat - can someone explain the concept of self -published books plse!
Sciencematters 9:31 PM on Australia - very expensive :( “@gret: @mariabossa Hey Maria! =) I know! Most books are so expensive! Sad, sad #eltchat”
Marisa_C 9:31 PM @jankenb2 I think blogging can be part of co-creation talking about earlier yes  #eltchat
rliberni 9:31 PM RT @louisealix68: @Marisa_C Love books, guard them with my life, move them round the world (much to husband's dismay) but believe future is digital #eltchat
rliberni 9:32 PM @SueAnnan  this is also true we don't necessarily need prepared ELT materials can adapt from elsewhere #eltchat
ELTExperiences 9:32 PM The opportunity is available for teachers to create resources and lesson ideas to share by self-publishing their own eBook. #eltchat
pennyhands 9:32 PM Will self-publishing authors budget for copyediting and proofreading? #eltchat
harrisonmike 9:32 PM #eltchat? RT @burcuakyol: via @DaveDodgson Review: Oxford Bookworms for iPad http://t.co/Qk1LqUWA
teflerinha 9:32 PM RT @rliberni: RT @SueAnnan: The 1 size fits all idea of generic coursebooks is a problem ths days#ELTchat Yes, but it nevr did fit all.
Marisa_C 9:32 PM @AnneShirley2011 Agree but take a few steps east or west and the landscape changes completely - ebooks the future tho #eltchat
reasons4 9:32 PM #eltchat I shudder to think how poor self published books could be.
mariabossa 9:32 PM @Sciencematters seems books are expensive everywhere!! #eltchat
rliberni 9:32 PM RT @SueAnnan: @cerirhiannon  I think more noticeable because content easier to find in other places that is more relevant sometimes #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:32 PM RT @SueAnnan: The one size fits all idea of generic coursebooks is a problem these days#ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:33 PM @OUPELTGlobal  absolutely #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:33 PM RT @Marisa_C: @reasons4 "COULD be?" Loads of shoddy stuff out there posing for great material just cos it's online!!!!  #eltchat
reasons4 9:33 PM RT @pennyhands: Will self-publishing authors budget for copyediting and proofreading? #eltchat
jankenb2 9:33 PM #eltchat Digital spaces and use of tablets will only be as good as the content. Publishing is now instant. Print your own text is now here.
Wiktor_K 9:33 PM @reasons4 How about crowd-published? #eltchat
AnnLoseva 9:33 PM @divyabrochier #ELTchat it is..esp that there are so many teachers who r not ready to adapt to it themselves,so it's definitely a long story
SueAnnan 9:33 PM @Shaunwilden  There is no real quality control if people self-publish #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 9:33 PM @SueAnnan @theteacherjames The potential in digital delivery is a more tailored set of content, perhaps? #ELTchat
gret 9:33 PM @mariabossa I need to buy some books this week. I think I'll have to spend a lot too! =( #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:33 PM @Raquel_EFL Am not sure i understand what you are asking #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:33 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @reasons4: #eltchat I shudder to think how poor self published books could be. - yes me too :-) > me three ;)
teflerinha 9:33 PM @pennyhands  Yes, and actually a good editor does a lot more than just copy edit and proof read. #eltchat
shaznosel 9:33 PM @cerirhiannon @ELTExperiences interesting point - a lot of issues in writing for the new generations! #eltchat
vbenevolofranca 9:33 PM May we be thinking of ebooks within paper book mindset -technology is so mutable, can anyone guess what app will enchant next? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:33 PM @reasons4 "COULD be?" Loads of shoddy stuff out there posing for great material just cos it's online!!!!  #eltchat
mkofab 9:33 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @reasons4: #eltchat I shudder to think how poor self published books could be. - yes me too :-)
cerirhiannon 9:33 PM @familysimpson @ncguerreiro @clivesir  are flash quizzes really interactive ? aren't they just more gap fills? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:33 PM RT @reasons4: #eltchat I shudder to think how poor self published books could be. - yes me too :-)
3ty3 9:34 PM RT @pennyhands: Will self-publishing authors budget for copyediting and proofreading? #eltchat
reasons4 9:34 PM RT @Marisa_C @reasons4 "COULD be?" I was being diplomatic :-)  #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:34 PM RT @Wiktor_K: @reasons4 How about crowd-published? #eltchat > nice :) a wikicoursebook maybe?
divyabrochier 9:34 PM #eltchat, 52 is brilliant as it doesn't look like a course book, it's a collection of ideas that gives us the confidence to teach
Shaunwilden 9:34 PM @theteacherjames I do like that idea, but like buying tracks from different cds #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 9:34 PM RT @theteacherjames: @OUPELTGlobal @SueAnnan A pick 'n' mix coursebook? Sounds better to me! #ELTchat
mariabossa 9:34 PM @gret get a nice credit card or lots of cash!! LOL #eltchat
rliberni 9:34 PM RT @shaznosel: @Wiktor_K print on demand sounds perfect but what t has the time??so the CB is essential for those Ts working 6 hrs a day..#eltchat
carl_robinson 9:34 PM RT @theteacherjames: @OUPELTGlobal @SueAnnan A pick 'n' mix coursebook? Sounds better to me! #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:34 PM RT @SueAnnan: @Shaunwilden  There is no real quality control if people self-publish #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:34 PM @OUPELTGlobal @SueAnnan A pick 'n' mix coursebook? Sounds better to me! #ELTchat
rliberni 9:34 PM @teflerinha  yes that is the problem  but  with digital it can be adapted more easily #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:34 PM RT @pennyhands: Will self-publishing authors budget for copyediting and proofreading? #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:34 PM RT @teflerinha: @pennyhands  Yes, and actually a good editor does a lot more than just copy edit and proof read. #eltchat
toulasklavou 9:34 PM when havin the freedom to choose mat online,that presupposes meetings with all Ts to decide what mat 2 use for the same level, #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:35 PM @familysimpson @ncguerreiro @clivesir  yup - totally true! :)  #eltchat
reasons4 9:35 PM RT @Wiktor_K @reasons4 How about crowd-published? #eltchat > even worse many hands blah blah
rliberni 9:35 PM @vbenevolofranca  if teacher is facilitator how  are materials managed? #eltchat
AnnLoseva 9:35 PM @divyabrochier @wiktor_k #ELTchat in my immediate prof context don't see much fewer textbooks,but if I see-it's worksheets that come instead
mariabossa 9:35 PM @Marisa_C yessss... realities are quite different everywhere #ELtchat
shaznosel 9:35 PM RT @jobethsteel: @shaznosel @cerirhiannon I always guessed got butchered cos no teacher worth their salt woud really have written some of  them #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 9:35 PM @theteacherjames @SueAnnan The tech is there to offer that already. But is there the desire globally - putting onus on T to mix? #ELTchat
ELTExperiences 9:35 PM @theteacherjames @OUPELTGlobal @SueAnnan sounds like a sweet box. Too much of one approach may rot ones teaching though. #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:35 PM @reasons4 ha ha no reason you're amomgst friends  #eltchat
familysimpson 9:35 PM @cerirhiannon @ncguerreiro @clivesir you could build a decision based scenario with audio/video: a mini adventure within a txtbk! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:35 PM @divyabrochier Yes but that more of a resource than a coursebook isnt it #eltchat
mkofab 9:35 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @theteacherjames I do like that idea, but like buying tracks from different cds #eltchat > great idea!
Marisa_C 9:35 PM So it looks like most of us are thinking that digital is the future but not everyone getting there at same time #ELtchat
divyabrochier 9:36 PM #eltchat I would love to have a publisher create for example a collection of no frills authentic recordings to adapt to listening classes
Shaunwilden 9:36 PM @shaznosel No understand which bit? #eltchat
AnneShirley2011 9:36 PM RT @Marisa_C: So it looks like most of us are thinking that digital is the future but not everyone getting there at same time #ELtchat
SueAnnan 9:36 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal The tech is there to offer that already. But is there the desire globally - putting onus on T to mix? #ELTchat
rliberni 9:36 PM @gret  my f2f stds generally don't want to do much online as they work online all day #eltchat
carl_robinson 9:36 PM RT @Marisa_C: So it looks like most of us are thinking that digital is the future but not everyone getting there at same time #ELtchat
OUPELTGlobal 9:36 PM RT @Marisa_C: So it looks like most of us are thinking that digital is the future but not everyone getting there at same time #ELtchat
Shaunwilden 9:36 PM @Raquel_EFL though i accept that under  things like creative commons etc others can remix the work #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:36 PM Agree but tweaking and redrafting is not all that's cracked up to be if all editor interested in is mega buks #eltchat
teflerinha 9:36 PM RT @rliberni: @teflerinha yes that is the problem but w/ digital it cn B adapted more easily #eltchat Yes, I'm sure ths is whr CBs R going.
CliveSir 9:36 PM @familysimpson you got it! #eltchat
naomishema 9:36 PM What abt big publishers ability/desire 2 cater 2 niche groups? Do U know Learning Disabled SS find very colorful CB's a nightmare? #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:36 PM @Shaunwilden With the option to choose subjects that appeal to your students. #leggingitdownthepatentoffice #eltchat
AnnLoseva 9:36 PM @divyabrochier @wiktor_k #ELTchat ..which doesn't look like much of a change
OUPELTGlobal 9:36 PM RT @teflerinha: @pennyhands  Yes, and actually a good editor does a lot more than just copy edit and proof read. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:36 PM @Raquel_EFL As the person who writes it, they're the ones that invested the time to make it #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:37 PM RT @Marisa_C:   #eltchat > usually the ed interested in quality - publishers' marketing dept  into mega bucks ;)
Shaunwilden 9:37 PM RT @jankenb2: #eltchat the problem is not technology or its ubiquitous presence of devices, it's being critical thinkers and skilled in all literacy
OUPELTGlobal 9:37 PM RT @naomishema: What abt big publishers ability/desire 2 cater 2 niche groups? Do U know Learning Disabled SS find very colorful CB's a nightmare? #eltchat
Wiktor_K 9:37 PM Self-published no longer means 1 guy in a basement. More likely, 50 people in different parts of world,50 stories.not poor, really. #eltchat
jankenb2 9:37 PM #eltchat the problem is not technology or its ubiquitous presence of devices, it's being critical thinkers and skilled in all literacy
Shaunwilden 9:37 PM @Raquel_EFL No not the future, just another option #eltchat
rliberni 9:37 PM RT @ELTExperiences: @cerirhiannon @SueAnnan and the traditional coursebook fits this aspect. Interactive ebooks are more suited to digital natives #eltchat
toulasklavou 9:37 PM @SueAnnan @Shaunwilden True and do all Ts know 2 select & use the appropriate material? CBs guide Ts esp.the inexperienced ones#eltchat
rliberni 9:37 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: @AnneShirley2011 they can be, and will be more so with the arrival of ePub3 as a standard, yes! #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:37 PM @OUPELTGlobal @SueAnnan It's hard to know, all comes down to teacher motivation I guess. Hard to judge. #ELTchat
gret 9:38 PM @rliberni Yes, that's true! "Real Life" after spending hours online, right? #eltchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:38 PM The economical effect can't be neglected. Here parents cant send their children learn english cause books cost more than 120€#eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:38 PM @Raquel_EFL Thats a very odd thing to say #eltchat
divyabrochier 9:38 PM @Shaunwilden not in the same way Syntactic Theory (Radford, 1997) is a resource though, 52 is very accessible, easy to digest #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:38 PM @teflerinha that is actually one of the sad stories of ELT publishing that those who create (or shape it) make the least money #ELTchat
rliberni 9:38 PM RT @harrisonmike: The immediate future of ELT publishing, pc or tablet or phone, will be app-based. That's the ecosystem ATM #eltchat agree!
Shaunwilden 9:38 PM @Wiktor_K Actually most coursebooks are done by collaborative teams now anyway #eltchat
naomishema 9:38 PM RT @AnnLoseva: RT@divyabrochier #eltchat 52 is brilliant as it doesn't look like a course book,a collection of ideas that gives us the confidence to teach
shaznosel 9:38 PM @Shaunwilden self published books - sorry! #eltchat
vbenevolofranca 9:38 PM @rliberni Facilitor in that if working through tasks using ebook (task interactivity) then is guiding learning as in TBL approach #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:38 PM RT @Wiktor_K: Self-published no longer means 1 guy in a basement. More likely, 50 people in different parts of world,50 stories.not poor, really. #eltchat
AnnLoseva 9:38 PM RT@divyabrochier #eltchat 52 is brilliant as it doesn't look like a course book,a collection of ideas that gives us the confidence to teach
ELTExperiences 9:38 PM One advantage of publishing a course eBook is that it can be available online pretty quickly. Teachers try it out & offer feedback #eltchat
rliberni 9:38 PM RT @theteacherjames: @harrisonmike Ta. That's why I don't like predicting with any certainty. The future is mysterious, & I love it! #eltchat
Wiktor_K 9:39 PM @Shaunwilden True...I guess I'm just rooting for indie publishing to do brave stuff for EFL :) #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:39 PM @Shaunwilden  actually I agree with you #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:39 PM RT @ElindaGjondedaj: The economical effect can't be neglected. Here parents cant send their children learn english cause books cost more than 120€#eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:39 PM @divyabrochier My point was the format worked well for a resource book am not sure it would for a coursebook #eltchat
rliberni 9:39 PM RT @jankenb2: @Marisa_C #eltchat How does student blogging fit into this discussion? Blogging is self-authored texts and c/be powerful & relevant content.
cerirhiannon 9:39 PM @ELTExperiences  and so continually being written? nice idea but practicalities might be very expensive  #eltchat
ncguerreiro 9:40 PM RT @Marisa_C: Agree but tweaking and redrafting is not all that's cracked up to be if all editor interested in is mega buks #eltchat
vbenevolofranca 9:40 PM @naomishema Not only that, font size, background to text and images and quantity info on page is terrible as well... #eltchat
carl_robinson 9:40 PM @Marisa_C It's an interesting question: publishers offer more than just way to market and this is oft forgot! #ELTchat
rliberni 9:40 PM @jankenb2  think this is more of  std activity , more of an output but maybe teacher blogs are equiv of course books? #eltchat
ncguerreiro 9:40 PM RT @Wiktor_K: Self-published no longer means 1 guy in a basement. More likely, 50 people in different parts of world,50 stories.not poor, really. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:40 PM @Wiktor_K :-) So  what counts as brave? #eltchat
shaznosel 9:40 PM @toulasklavou @SueAnnan @Shaunwilden T s know but often DOS/Management haven't taught for so long they are out of touch #eltchat
toulasklavou 9:40 PM RT @ElindaGjondedaj: The economical effect can't be neglected. Here parents cant send their children learn english cause books cost more than 120€#eltchat
Marisa_C 9:40 PM Someone posed an important Q abt self-published - not enough reviewing (peer or other) editing before publishing #eltchat
ncguerreiro 9:41 PM RT @vbenevolofranca: @naomishema Not only that, font size, background to text and images and quantity info on page is terrible as well... #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:41 PM RT @ELTExperiences: y have a shelf full of material collecting dust when a teacher cn consult an ebook, print wht's needed & use it #eltchat
vbenevolofranca 9:41 PM @naomishema ... what worries me in ebooks is possible lack of linearity, which would seem logical, which is complex for SEN kids #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:41 PM @divyabrochier Yes I agree and personally hope the ebook format leads to more of that #eltchat
toulasklavou 9:41 PM @ElindaGjondedaj You're so right!!!!!!!!!!!!#eltchat
rliberni 9:41 PM @vbenevolofranca  who chooses the content? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:41 PM @teflerinha sounds like a vicious circle!  #eltchat
ELTExperiences 9:41 PM Why have a shelf full of material collecting dust when a teacher can consult an ebook, print what's needed and use it #eltchat
ncguerreiro 9:41 PM RT @cerirhiannon: RT @Wiktor_K: @reasons4 How about crowd-published? #eltchat > nice :) a wikicoursebook maybe?
jankenb2 9:41 PM #eltchat Let's do a SWOT on the use of digital in ESL inst I'll start with the S, strengths, ? can do Weakness, Opportunities and Threats...
teflerinha 9:41 PM @Marisa_C & seems 2 me that digital will pay authors even less as royalties won't B paid. Which mayB bring us back 2 self publish?! #eltchat
ncguerreiro 9:41 PM RT @naomishema: What abt big publishers ability/desire 2 cater 2 niche groups? Do U know Learning Disabled SS find very colorful CB's a nightmare? #eltchat
ncguerreiro 9:42 PM RT @Marisa_C: For me the ideal future would be a website where I can put a co-created 'book' together-an end product rather than a prefab object #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:42 PM RT @Wiktor_K: @Shaunwilden Being able 2 choose weird/controversial/current topics ovr general/safe/evergreen w/out focusing on $ #eltchat
ELTExperiences 9:42 PM @vbenevolofranca @naomishema but electronic books such as iPad offer colour blind settings and can increase font of ebooks #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:42 PM @ELTExperiences thats a hollow argument, eventually the ereader is full of resources that the tchr will forget about #eltchat
TEFL_Iberia 9:42 PM RT @ELTExperiences: Why have a shelf full of material collecting dust when a teacher can consult an ebook, print what's needed and use it #eltchat
Wiktor_K 9:42 PM @Shaunwilden Being able to choose weird/controversial/current topics over general/safe/evergreen without focusing on $ #eltchat
reasons4 9:42 PM #eltchat for Olomouc read countless other towns around east central europe I've been to recently. The future is a long way off
mariabossa 9:42 PM @Raquel_EFL if they're not teachers, then, at least they should be within the area of expertise #eltchat
rliberni 9:42 PM @gret  yes can't blame them :-) #eltchat
naomishema 9:43 PM RT @theteacherjames: I think it's worth pointing out that ELT books are expensive. Changes in tech should reduce prices thus increasing accessibility. #eltchat
mariabossa 9:43 PM @gret agree w/u greta!! :) #eltchat
shaznosel 9:43 PM @ELTExperiences TRUE but lately found on line choices too overwhelming and love my photocopiable resources.#eltchat
theteacherjames 9:43 PM I think it's worth pointing out that ELT books are expensive. Changes in tech should reduce prices thus increasing accessibility. #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:43 PM @shaznosel AND pander to demands for 4-5-6 books per child #ELTchat - keep teacher busy bisy busy!
gret 9:43 PM @Marisa_C Being part of an ELT community & building a PLN are key. Sharing, Editing, Feedback. It helps for self-publishing #eltchat
vbenevolofranca 9:43 PM @rliberni  if you think of ebooks containing degree similarity of elements to trad print material, part of content could be there.#eltchat
carl_robinson 9:43 PM @Shaunwilden @divyabrochier I'm confused by this. Do you mean no structure? How do you deal with that? #ELTchat
sandymillin 9:43 PM RT @divyabrochier: #eltchat I would love to have a publisher create for example a collection of no frills authentic recordings to adapt to listening classes
divyabrochier 9:43 PM RT @AnnLoseva: @divyabrochier @wiktor_k #ELTchat in my immediate prof context don't see much fewer textbooks,but if I see-it's worksheets that come instead
Shaunwilden 9:43 PM RT @reasons4: #eltchat for Olomouc read countless other towns around east central europe I've been to recently. The future is a long way off
jankenb2 9:43 PM #eltchat Strengths of using digital devices in ESL 1) current content, cheaper, allows for leveled support, colorful, portable. more ideas?
carl_robinson 9:44 PM @theteacherjames Costs aren't necessarily reduced though - common misconception that digital is cheap! #ELTchat
divyabrochier 9:44 PM @carl_robinson @Shaunwilden no imposed structure by a coursebook writer yes, but materials you can tailor to your Ss/class #eltchat
ELTExperiences 9:44 PM @Shaunwilden perhaps a balance of both electronic and paper based material is required #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:44 PM @carl_robinson hmm i think i was just saying that an ereader is a good medium for teacher resource books esp 'recipe' ones #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:44 PM @gret good point as long as PLN not into mutual ego-stroking - this frightens me  #eltchat
rliberni 9:44 PM RT @theteacherjames: I think it's worth pointing out that ELT books are expensive. Changes in tech should reduce prices thus increasing accessibility. #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:44 PM RT @cerirhiannon: @Marisa_C  #eltchat that was a great post u wrote about too many books, Marisa! Yes seconded
mariabossa 9:44 PM RT @theteacherjames: I think it's worth pointing out that ELT books are expensive. Changes in tech should reduce prices thus increasing accessibility. #eltchat
vbenevolofranca 9:44 PM @ELTExperiences @naomishema Yes, Ipad does but do other tablets? Not sure if they do. #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:44 PM @Marisa_C  #eltchat that was a great post u wrote about too many books, Marisa!
rliberni 9:44 PM RT @SueAnnan: RT @Wiktor_K: @Shaunwilden Being able 2 choose weird/controversial/current topics ovr general/safe/evergreen w/out focusing on $ #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:45 PM There is so much material to choose from that it seems capricious to spend money on one particular coursebook #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:45 PM @SueAnnan  #eltchat thanks for reminding me - related post "Too Many Books"  http://t.co/8MSKps1S  #eltchat
gret 9:45 PM @Marisa_C Yes, agreed… That's why building a PLN isn't as easy as it seems at first! #eltchat
Wiktor_K 9:45 PM @theteacherjames True - or at least make every1 feel they're getting value for money. Not a fan of cutting costs at all costs :) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:45 PM @divyabrochier But isnt structure necessary  - thats the syllabus #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:45 PM RT @carl_robinson: @theteacherjames Costs aren't necessarily reduced though - common misconception that digital is cheap! #ELTchat
rliberni 9:45 PM @theteacherjames  very true on expense and now all come with sooo many parts to them! #eltchat
shaznosel 9:45 PM @Marisa_C yes..must use all 4 books in 1 and half hours...#eltchat
ManuelParraFdez 9:46 PM #eltchat Do you need an iMac or an iPad to use iBooks Author? Is it as easy as Apple says? I guess they want us to buy all their devices
ElindaGjondedaj 9:46 PM RT @theteacherjames: I think it's worth pointing out that ELT books are expensive. Changes in tech should reduce prices thus increasing accessibility. #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:46 PM @ELTExperiences that's really good  #eltchat
toulasklavou 9:46 PM once I worked 4 a school wher junior A had CB/WB/GRB/COMPANION/TESTBOOK, I felt so sorry of them#eltchat
carl_robinson 9:46 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @theteacherjames  I heard an really interesting interview with a  Nonelt publisher who said costs are not much cheaper #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:46 PM @theteacherjames Still got to pay the author, editor etc etc #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:46 PM @gret agree - but we are in the process of learning about that too  #eltchat
ELTExperiences 9:46 PM @Marisa_C @gret I received some great feedback on my ebook via my PLN and colleagues. Continuous development #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:46 PM @carl_robinson If the publishers accurately reflect the reduction in costs involved, they should be cheaper. #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:46 PM @theteacherjames  I heard an really interesting interview with a  Nonelt publisher who said costs are not much cheaper #eltchat
rliberni 9:46 PM @shaznosel  true finding online resources is sometimes a needle in a haystack operation! #eltchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:46 PM @shaznosel @toulasklavou #eltchat when a parent can barely pay us (teachers) how can he pay so many books that sometimes we don't even use.?
theteacherjames 9:47 PM @Shaunwilden I find it hard to imagine how with reduced printing and distribution costs. Not convinced by old media's arguments. #eltchat
rliberni 9:47 PM RT @SueAnnan: There is so much material to choose from that it seems capricious to spend money on one particular coursebook #ELTchat
reasons4 9:47 PM RT @Marisa_C @gret good point as long as PLN not into mutual ego-stroking - this frightens me  #eltchat > is it ever anything else?
teflerinha 9:47 PM @rliberni  From chats with publishers, think this is definitely the way things are going at the mo- mix of paper and digital #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:47 PM RT @carl_robinson: @teflerinha There are lots of costs: hosting, delivery, updates, rights in the code, rights in the content, testing it's not cheap! #ELTchat
rliberni 9:47 PM RT @Marisa_C: @SueAnnan  #eltchat thanks for reminding me - related post "Too Many Books"  http://t.co/8MSKps1S  #eltchat
carl_robinson 9:47 PM @teflerinha There are lots of costs: hosting, delivery, updates, rights in the code, rights in the content, testing it's not cheap! #ELTchat
jankenb2 9:47 PM #eltchat SWOT  Weaknesses: 2 easy to publish content that is not reviewed properly.  Start up costs of devices, the replacement costs,
shaznosel 9:47 PM @divyabrochier @sandymillin I would love publishers to produce songs for juniors  that we can sing even ican't sing that fast!#eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:47 PM @divyabrochier But again then we are the realms of the teacher not the material, they can change things #eltchat
Sciencematters 9:47 PM true - ‚Äú@rliberni: @theteacherjames  very true on expense and now all come with sooo many parts to them! #eltchat‚Äù
rliberni 9:47 PM RT @ELTExperiences: @Shaunwilden perhaps a balance of both electronic and paper based material is required #eltchat most likely at the mo
shaznosel 9:48 PM @ElindaGjondedaj @toulasklavou Ask the DOS/school owner..not parents fault! who is making the money here??#eltchat
Wiktor_K 9:48 PM @ManuelParraFdez Need a Mac to create ibooks, an ipad to view them. This tool would be the *BEST* ever if it wasn't made by Apple. #eltchat
jankenb2 9:48 PM @Smithstorian @markgr #eltchat I saw a data point like that too, but I wondered how these bks were distributed across the SES population.
divyabrochier 9:48 PM @Shaunwilden but it's discrediting to both teacher and publisher whenever a teacher goes "ok, we'll ignore what the books says here"#eltchat
ELTExperiences 9:48 PM But are teachers hiding behind their material (whether electronic/paper based) rather trying to be good teachers? #eltchat
MrWriteCzech 9:48 PM #eltchat A lot of independent authors need to learn all about marketing their books. Nice to get a bigger % but you have to work for it!
gret 9:48 PM @ELTExperiences @Marisa_C That's great! Learning never stops! #eltchat
carl_robinson 9:48 PM @theteacherjames Where do you see reduction in costs? And are you taking into account increased costs not there in print books? #ELTchat
rliberni 9:48 PM But some students just like to have a book! #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:48 PM @Shaunwilden And I did say cheaper, not cheap! #eltchat
reasons4 9:48 PM RT @carl_robinson: @theteacherjames Costs aren't necessarily reduced though - common misconception that digital is cheap! #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:49 PM RT @divyabrochier: @Shaunwilden discrediting to say "0k, we'll ignore what the books says here"#eltchat > why? CBs are not bibles!
teflerinha 9:49 PM @divyabrochier As an author, I wouldn't mind at all. Think once materials R out thr it's up 2 teachers wht they do w/ them :) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:49 PM @divyabrochier Never had an issue with saying that to be honest, books arent written for one particular student etc #eltchat
vickyloras 9:49 PM RT @Marisa_C: @SueAnnan  #eltchat thanks for reminding me - related post "Too Many Books"  http://t.co/8MSKps1S  #eltchat
vbenevolofranca 9:49 PM @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames They also become far more expensive if you build interactivity into the books themselves...  #eltchat
carl_robinson 9:49 PM @teflerinha I think that's a fair point, and I'd say we need to work on that - what's the model for an author in a digital world? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:49 PM @reasons4 not always - #eltchat
toulasklavou 9:49 PM Books is for parents a way to prove we're doing work in class, the more pages we cover, the more satisfied they are#eltchat
theteacherjames 9:50 PM @Shaunwilden @vbenevolofranca How are updated versions different from printed versions. should be quicker & easier, no? #eltchat
carl_robinson 9:50 PM @theteacherjames Hosting is big cost and almost negates manufacturing. VAT on digital mostly higher than print, publisher eats this #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:50 PM RT @SueAnnan: updates must be easy in digital material #ELTchat > the writing/editing/quality control takes just as long
shaznosel 9:50 PM @toulasklavou sad but true - re educate the parents!#eltchat
MrWriteCzech 9:50 PM #eltchat I like the idea of an ELT author cooperative. Anyone interested?
Shaunwilden 9:50 PM RT @cerirhiannon: RT @divyabrochier: @Shaunwilden discrediting to say "0k, we'll ignore what the books says here"#eltchat > why? CBs are not bibles!
SueAnnan 9:50 PM updates must be easy in digital material #ELTchat
vickyloras 9:50 PM RT @ELTExperiences: @Shaunwilden perhaps a balance of both electronic and paper based material is required #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:50 PM @vbenevolofranca @theteacherjames yes and then there are updates, working on the new editions (updates) and so on #eltchat
teflerinha 9:51 PM @carl_robinson  #eltchat yes, it would be good to know more about this. :)
rliberni 9:51 PM RT @ELTExperiences: But are teachers hiding behind their material (whether electronic/paper based) rather trying to be good teachers? #eltchat
AnneShirley2011 9:51 PM #eltchat availability of  e-books! teachers and ss living in every part of the world has chance of buying and using
divyabrochier 9:51 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @divyabrochier Never had an issue with saying that to be honest, books arent written for one particular student etc #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:51 PM @MrWriteCzech  isn't that what the round is? #eltchat
teflerinha 9:51 PM RT @cerirhiannon: RT @divyabrochier: @Shaunwilden discrediting 2 say "0k, we'll ignore wht the books says hre"#eltchat > y? CBs R notbibles!
rliberni 9:51 PM RT @MrWriteCzech: #eltchat A lot of independent authors need to learn all about marketing their books. Nice to get a bigger % but you have to work for it!
louisealix68 9:51 PM RT @MrWriteCzech: #eltchat I like the idea of an ELT author cooperative. Anyone interested?
ELTExperiences 9:51 PM @vbenevolofranca @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames how do they become more expensive? #eltchat
carl_robinson 9:52 PM @teflerinha It's on the mind of most publishers, I know. A fair deal is key to maintain content quality and engagement. #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:52 PM @carl_robinson Interesting. These should costs should diminish as it becomes more widespread, shouldn't they? #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:52 PM # eltchat I want to ask publishers here tonight - how often they actually sit in today's classrooms - know their 'audience' ??#eltchat
divyabrochier 9:52 PM @cerirhiannon alright but isn't the chat about the future of publishing and not the future of course books? #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:52 PM RT @rliberni: @ELTExperiences  hope not -  books etc are just tools #eltchat
rliberni 9:52 PM @ELTExperiences  hope not -  books etc are just tools #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:52 PM @ELTExperiences I didnt say more, I was talking about the misconception that they have to cheap #eltchat
divyabrochier 9:52 PM @Shaunwilden I have had an issue with saying that, or even photocopying a page where I won't use it all #eltchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:52 PM RT @toulasklavou: Books is for parents a way to prove we're doing work in class, the more pages we cover, the more satisfied they are#eltchat
vbenevolofranca 9:53 PM @ELTExperiences @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames  need design & creation of interactivity which is expensive... #eltchat
carl_robinson 9:53 PM @theteacherjames like all things, I suspect costs will go down over time. But for now, it's demonstrably NOT cheaper! #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:53 PM @reasons4 oh look around blogs and comments - not all full of adulation  #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:53 PM RT @Marisa_C: EFL I think publishers shld create sites w/ menus or lists of topics & items of language - units u cn adapt & add 2 #eltchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:53 PM RT @MrWriteCzech: #eltchat I like the idea of an ELT author cooperative. Anyone interested?
jobethsteel 9:53 PM @louisealix68 @MrWriteCzech Great idea.  Yes! #eltchat
mkofab 9:53 PM RT @Marisa_C: @Raquel_EFL I think publishers should create sites with menus or lists of topics and items of language - units u can adapt & add to #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:53 PM @divyabrochier Yes sts can b bit funny about it but i found explanation works (am not disagreeing with u) merely fueling discussion #eltchat
sandymillin 9:53 PM RT @AnneShirley2011: #eltchat availability of  e-books! teachers and ss living in every part of the world has chance of buying and using
Marisa_C 9:53 PM @Raquel_EFL I think publishers should create sites with menus or lists of topics and items of language - units u can adapt & add to #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:53 PM @divyabrochier  maybe for u the future of publishing is to be ignored by teachers who want raw materials ;) #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:53 PM RT @daveandcori: Resources to Replace Textbooks
daveandcori 9:53 PM Resources to Replace Textbooks
rliberni 9:53 PM RT @toulasklavou: Books4 parents a way to prove we're doing work in class, the more pages we cover, the more satisfied they are#eltchat  :-(
reasons4 9:53 PM RT @Marisa_C @reasons4 not always - #eltchat > evidence? :-)
OUPELTGlobal 9:54 PM @shaznosel Good question! Our editors and publishers are often in classrooms across the world talking to ss and ts #ELTchat
toulasklavou 9:54 PM can't just ignore buks, they're there 4 a reason, it's up to us make use of them for the Ss' benefit#eltchat
divyabrochier 9:54 PM RT @shaznosel: # eltchat I want to ask publishers here tonight - how often they actually sit in today's classrooms - know their 'audience' ??#eltchat
daveandcori 9:54 PM Apple Announces iBooks2 E-Textbooks - my initial thoughts
Marisa_C 9:54 PM @LukeMeddings Welcome to the last few minutes of a wild discussion !!! :-D  #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:54 PM @carl_robinson But this is the beginning. Gutenberg Bibles were really expensive too! :) #ELTchat
rliberni 9:54 PM RT @MrWriteCzech: #eltchat I like the idea of an ELT author cooperative. Anyone interested? good idea worth discussing
cerirhiannon 9:54 PM RT @teflerinha: RT @rliberni: RT @toulasklavou: Books4 parents a way to prove we're doing work in class,...#eltchat  :-( very familiar with this!
naomishema 9:54 PM RT @teflerinha: RT @rliberni: RT @toulasklavou: Books4 parents a way to prove we're doing work in class,...#eltchat  :-( very familiar with this!
rliberni 9:54 PM RT @SueAnnan: updates must be easy in digital material #ELTchat and quick!
LukeMeddings 9:54 PM RT @Marisa_C: Someone posed an important Q abt self-published - not enough reviewing (peer or other) editing before publishing #eltchat
daveandcori 9:54 PM What I use with Physics classes instead of textbook
ERMFerrari 9:54 PM @sandymillin already have this, albeit illegally #eltchat
ELTExperiences 9:54 PM @Shaunwilden it was @vbenevolofranca that suggested ebooks would be more expensive when incorporating interactivity #eltchat
teflerinha 9:54 PM RT @rliberni: RT @toulasklavou: Books4 parents a way to prove we're doing work in class,...#eltchat  :-( very familiar with this!
sandymillin 9:54 PM RT @shaznosel: # eltchat I want to ask publishers here tonight - how often they actually sit in today's classrooms - know their 'audience' ??#eltchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:55 PM @ManuelParraFdez you need an iMac to publish on ibookstore.can also create from iPad ibooks and share them http://t.co/sfVPSk0Z #eltchat
AnneShirley2011 9:55 PM RT @Marisa_C: @Raquel_EFL I think publishers should create sites with menus or lists of topics and items of language - units u can adapt & add to #eltchat
naomishema 9:55 PM RT @rliberni: RT @MrWriteCzech: #eltchat I like the idea of an ELT author cooperative. > Isn't that what the round is doing?
Marisa_C 9:55 PM @SueAnnan sounds like a great idea to me  #eltchat
ELTExperiences 9:55 PM @rliberni @MrWriteCzech I'd be interested in co-authoring a book with other ppl in my PLN for use inside or outside of class #eltchat
Wiktor_K 9:55 PM Dear #eltchat, charmed,as ever.May I leave you with my favourite author doing an interview on the future of books? http://t.co/erY6ObfQ Bye!
divyabrochier 9:55 PM RT @Marisa_C: @Raquel_EFL I think publishers should create sites with menus or lists of topics and items of language - units u can adapt & add to #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:55 PM RT @rliberni: RT @MrWriteCzech: #eltchat I lk the idea of an ELT author cooperative. Anyone interested? gd idea worth discussing The Round?
OUPELTGlobal 9:55 PM RT @Marisa_C: @Raquel_EFL I think publishers should create sites with menus or lists of topics and items of language - units u can adapt & add to #eltchat
carl_robinson 9:55 PM RT @Marisa_C: @Raquel_EFL I think publishers should create sites with menus or lists of topics and items of language - units u can adapt & add to #eltchat
LukeMeddings 9:56 PM @Marisa_C so sorry to be late - was unaware - have spent last 15 mins catching up ;)  #eltchat
ERMFerrari 9:56 PM @sandymillin if younger it's a question of what m & d expect, isn't it? #eltchat
gret 9:56 PM @Raquel_EFL Yes! Love the idea of it Raquel! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:56 PM RT @ElindaGjondedaj: @ManuelParraFdez you need an iMac to publish on ibookstore.can also create from iPad ibooks and share them http://t.co/sfVPSk0Z #eltchat
rliberni 9:56 PM RT @shaznosel: # eltchat I want to ask publishers here tonight - how often they actually sit in today's classrooms - know their 'audience' ??#eltchat
teflerinha 9:56 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: @shaznosel R editors & publishers R oftn in classrooms across the world talking 2 ss & ts #ELTchat -ive done ths 2 4  pubs
jankenb2 9:56 PM @AnneShirley2011 #eltchat no, not really. Many countries block book downloads. The select on Amazon in Turkey is far less than US as ex.
OUPELTGlobal 9:56 PM RT @theteacherjames: @carl_robinson But this is the beginning. Gutenberg Bibles were really expensive too! :) #ELTchat
carl_robinson 9:56 PM “@theteacherjames: But this is the beginning. Gutenberg Bibles were really expensive too! :) #ELTchat" LOL!
SueAnnan 9:57 PM @Marisa_C  sort of thing Jamie Keddie does to a certain extent #eltchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:57 PM RT @Marisa_C: @Raquel_EFL I think publishers should create sites with menus or lists of topics and items of language - units u can adapt & add to #eltchat
vbenevolofranca 9:57 PM Read this recently & gives an idea of work involved with enhanced ebooks: http://t.co/0ibRRmkz #eltchat
rliberni 9:57 PM RT @Marisa_C: @Raquel_EFL I think publishers should create sites with menus or lists of topics and items of language - units u can adapt & add to #eltchat
carl_robinson 9:57 PM RT @teflerinha: RT @OUPELTGlobal: @shaznosel R editors & publishers R oftn in classrooms across the world talking 2 ss & ts #ELTchat -ive done ths 2 4  pubs
OUPELTGlobal 9:57 PM RT @teflerinha: RT @OUPELTGlobal: @shaznosel R editors & publishers R oftn in classrooms across the world talking 2 ss & ts #ELTchat -ive done ths 2 4  pubs
jobethsteel 9:57 PM “@SueAnnan: RT @Marisa_C: EFL publishers shld create sites w/ menus or lists of topics & items of lang - units u cn adapt & add 2 #eltchat”
ELTExperiences 9:58 PM RT @cerirhiannon: RT @Raquel_EFL: How can editors  create content if they don't teach anymore? #eltchat > authors create content, editors edit
SueAnnan 9:58 PM @mariabossa  Yes he is :-) #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 9:58 PM RT @cerirhiannon: RT @Raquel_EFL: How can editors  create content if they don't teach anymore? #eltchat > authors create content, editors edit
mariabossa 9:58 PM @SueAnnan I met Jamie Keddie last week in Bs As, he's fantastic :) #eltchat
ManuelParraFdez 9:58 PM @ElindaGjondedaj So if I want to create & view ibooks, an iPad is enough. Are you sure that the iMac is only for publishing them?#eltchat
agarridodiez 9:58 PM What about students making & using their own resources? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:58 PM RT @reasons4: RT @Marisa_C  #Eltchat  and who is gonna tell a colleague/ friend their work ins poor?
cerirhiannon 9:58 PM RT @Raquel_EFL: How can editors  create content if they don't teach anymore? #eltchat > authors create content, editors edit
gret 9:58 PM @Marisa_C @rliberni @Raquel_EFL That's a great idea Marisa. I think that would be the best way to go. #eltchat
jankenb2 9:58 PM @shaznosel #eltchat Good question. How many have used a digital textbook as a student would have to and not just preview it?
toulasklavou 9:58 PM buks is also less cost 4 schools, no photocopies, can't think of a school owner who' d photocopy whatever useful found online? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:58 PM @reasons4 Well you had no trouble telling me and vice versa :-) #eltchat
rliberni 9:58 PM @Marisa_C  I agree \i think this is the future of publishing in ELT!! #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 9:59 PM @agarridodiez Do you think students would like to be able share what they do with other EFL learners? #ELTchat
rliberni 9:59 PM RT @daveandcori: What I use with Physics classes instead of textbook
Shaunwilden 9:59 PM @teflerinha @Raquel_EFL And most  editors i know have come from elt backgrounds #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:59 PM @LukeMeddings No worries - we haven't yet come to any earthshaking conclusions :-)  #eltchat
ELT_T2W 9:59 PM If anyone's interested in getting involved with writing, do keep an eye on @ELT_T2W #ELTchat http://t.co/sz3XYn94
cerirhiannon 9:59 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @reasons4: RT @Marisa_C  #Eltchat  who gonna tell friend their work is poor? > when co-authoring we do it all the time
ELTExperiences 10:00 PM At the end of the day course ebooks and ebooks can't replace good old fashioned teaching. #eltchat
rliberni 10:00 PM RT @Wiktor_K: Dear #eltchat, charmed,as ever.May I leave you with my favourite author doing an interview on the future of books? http://t.co/erY6ObfQ Bye!
cerirhiannon 10:00 PM RT @Marisa_C:  I would certainly if asked for a review before publication  #Eltchat >  always happy to offer an honest opinion ;)
naomishema 10:00 PM Good night all! Midnight on a school night! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 10:00 PM @Raquel_EFL Well usually the author and reachers are asked to do it , they are well thought out you know! #eltchat
jankenb2 10:00 PM @ElindaGjondedaj @ManuelParraFdez #eltchat I support of teacher made materials & use of CC open resources, but not the same as $$ dig texts
toulasklavou 10:00 PM the ideas re the use of tech are great but not all Ss or Ts have iphones or schools have the latest comput sytems#eltchat
rliberni 10:00 PM RT @daveandcori: Apple Announces iBooks2 E-Textbooks - my initial thoughts
Shaunwilden 10:00 PM @Raquel_EFL @cerirhiannon becuase they are trained to be editors, like we are trained to be  teachers #eltchat
Marisa_C 10:00 PM @cerirhiannon Glad to hear it - I would certainly if asked for a review before publication  #Eltchat
shaznosel 10:00 PM @OUPELTGlobal  - I m  curious! if a writer actually spent 6 months sitting in classrooms,  would it change what they write?#eltchat
SueAnnan 10:01 PM Thanks everyone for a fast moving #ELTchat.
nutrich 10:01 PM RT @DaveDodgson: @nutrich Just added my tuppence http://t.co/BFlf1NQJ #ELTchat #dogme | I have finally found time to respond! :)
OUPELTGlobal 10:01 PM @shaznosel Most ELT eds are/were Ts and bring that experience to their work. Good point though, but authors create editors shape #ELTchat
Marisa_C 10:01 PM RT @agarridodiez: Making & using own resources by both teachers and students is motivating, challenging, creative and much cheaper. #eltchat
shaznosel 10:01 PM @teflerinha @OUPELTGlobal AND..do you get a say or it goes on files??#ELTCHAT
rliberni 10:01 PM @SueAnnan  yes as mentioned earlier #eltchat
agarridodiez 10:01 PM Making & using own resources by both teachers and students is motivating, challenging, creative and much cheaper. #eltchat
theteacherjames 10:01 PM Want to know more about the #eltchat symposium at #IATEFL Glasgow? Listen to @Shaunwilden on the new #eltchat podcast: http://t.co/FQrt0Kjw
divyabrochier 10:01 PM RT @ELTExperiences: At the end of the day course ebooks and ebooks can't replace good old fashioned teaching. #eltchat
SueAnnan 10:01 PM RT @ELTExperiences: At the end of the day course ebooks and ebooks can't replace good old fashioned teaching. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 10:01 PM RT @ELTExperiences: At the end of the day course ebooks and ebooks can't replace good old fashioned teaching. #eltchat
reasons4 10:02 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal @agarridodiez Do you think students would like to be able share what they do with other EFL learners? #ELTchat > no :-)
Shaunwilden 10:02 PM Anyone fancy a go at the summary? #eltchat
cerirhiannon 10:02 PM RT @SueAnnan: Thanks everyone for a fast moving #ELTchat. >  seconded and a big thx to the mods - unenviable task tonight!
CliveSir 10:02 PM RT @ELTExperiences: At the end of the day course ebooks and ebooks can't replace good [..] teaching. #eltchat
teflerinha 10:02 PM @shaznosel Most authors have 10+ years exp of teaching & not many cn afford 2 giv up teaching 4 writing even if they wanted 2 ;) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 10:02 PM Ok time out me thinks we will come back to this one #eltchat
LukeMeddings 10:02 PM some publishing culture will remain: eg first thing I learned as journalist on EL Gazette in the 90s was u can't edit your own work #eltchat
rliberni 10:02 PM RT @ElindaGjondedaj: @ManuelParraFdez you need an iMac to publish on ibookstore.can also create from iPad ibooks and share them http://t.co/sfVPSk0Z #eltchat
SueAnnan 10:02 PM @rliberni  yes #eltchat
carl_robinson 10:03 PM RT @ELTExperiences: At the end of the day course ebooks and ebooks can't replace good old fashioned teaching. #eltchat
toulasklavou 10:03 PM RT @ELTExperiences: At the end of the day course ebooks and ebooks can't replace good old fashioned teaching. #eltchat
jankenb2 10:03 PM #eltchat How can we prepare students in self-regulated learning so that  80 or 90% of their learning is self w/teachers as guides/mentors?
shaznosel 10:03 PM @jankenb2 Exactly! If you were in their shoes..#eltchat
Marisa_C 10:03 PM RT @teflerinha: @shaznosel  Can only spk for me. I get a say, bt also pubs are quite conservative because global market #eltchat
teflerinha 10:03 PM @shaznosel  Can only spk for me. I get a say, bt also pubs are quite conservative because global market #eltchat
ELT_T2W 10:03 PM RT @cerirhiannon: RT @SueAnnan: Thanks everyone for a fast moving #ELTchat. >  seconded and a big thx to the mods - unenviable task tonight!
rliberni 10:03 PM RT @vbenevolofranca: Read this recently & gives an idea of work involved with enhanced ebooks: http://t.co/0ibRRmkz #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 10:03 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Ok time out me thinks we will come back to this one #eltchat
carl_robinson 10:03 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Ok time out me thinks we will come back to this one #eltchat
rliberni 10:03 PM RT @Raquel_EFL: How can editors  create content if they don't teach anymore? That's a question that puzzles me. #eltchat that's a good  ?
Marisa_C 10:03 PM @LukeMeddings True you can't edit ur own work - even if very sharp and experienced - another eye or two always great  #eltchat
ELTExperiences 10:04 PM One final drawback abt publishing an ebook is it isn't available in all countries. My ebook isn't available in Turkey. #eltchat
rliberni 10:04 PM RT @ELT_T2W: If anyone's interested in getting involved with writing, do keep an eye on @ELT_T2W #ELTchat http://t.co/sz3XYn94
carl_robinson 10:04 PM Thanks #eltchat - most interesting and stimulating - happy to keep going another time on this topic. Close to my heart!
rliberni 10:04 PM RT @agarridodiez: What about students making & using their own resources? #eltchat why not?
jobethsteel 10:04 PM Thanks everyone.  Only caught half of it.  Very useful as usual. Night. #eltchat
teflerinha 10:05 PM Thanks everyone. Must go and talk to my husband- haven't seen him for 3 days ! ;) #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 10:05 PM @shaznosel It's been done and it offers great insight! #ELTchat
reasons4 10:05 PM RT @Marisa_C @reasons4 oh look around blogs and comments - not all full of adulation  #eltchat I'm afraid it is :-) from what I see
OUPELTGlobal 10:05 PM Thanks everyone! Very interesting comments. Have a good evening/morning/afternoon! #ELTchat
shaznosel 10:05 PM @OUPELTGlobal so you mean the editors should sit in the classroom or teach the cb! like that idea!!#eltchat
rliberni 10:06 PM @shaznosel Commercial aspects have to be considered to only natural #eltchat
gret 10:06 PM Thanks everyone for a great #eltchat tonight! So much to think about!
LukeMeddings 10:06 PM n there will be a range of editors and mentors working with authors on @wetheround titles - it's collaborative and it's growing :) #eltchat
agarridodiez 10:06 PM @OUPELTGlobal they love it. That's exactly the main purpose of learning: communicating & sharing. #eltchat
Marisa_C 10:06 PM Great and very interesting #ELtchat this eve/morn/afternoo all !!! Thanks for joining and sharing thoughts - anyone for the summary?
Marisa_C 10:07 PM @vbenevolofranca Wow great!!! Thanks Valeria!!!  #eltchat
agarridodiez 10:07 PM @AnneShirley2011 @marisa_c they should, otherwise they don't know who they are teaching. #eltchat
rliberni 10:07 PM RT @theteacherjames: Want to know more about the #eltchat symposium at #IATEFL Glasgow? Listen to @Shaunwilden on the new #eltchat podcast: http://t.co/FQrt0Kjw
Marisa_C 10:07 PM @fionamau YikeS and mieaow!  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 10:07 PM @vbenevolofranca @Marisa_C Very kind of you to offer thank you #eltchat
ELTExperiences 10:07 PM @OUPELTGlobal @shaznosel but are these editors using old teaching practices as some approaches were not discovered until recently? #eltchat
fionamau 10:07 PM @Marisa_C #eltchat I missed it! Family stuff cropped up!! :( & my cat sat on the laptop & reconfigured it while I was busy! 1 of those days.
vbenevolofranca 10:07 PM @Shaunwilden If no one offered to do summary, I can, if I can have the weekend to work on it. Let me know.#eltchat
LostInLanguages 10:08 PM RT @cerirhiannon: RT @Raquel_EFL: How can editors  create content if they don't teach anymore? #eltchat > authors create content, editors edit
OUPELTGlobal 10:08 PM @ELTExperiences @shaznosel We like to think not, and we stay abreast of changes and keep learning ourselves! And we have #ELTchat to help!
reasons4 10:08 PM RT @Marisa_C @reasons4 we must be reading different blogs :-)  #eltchat or doing it with different eyes?
rliberni 10:08 PM RT @CliveSir: RT @ELTExperiences: At the end of the day course ebooks and ebooks can't replace good [..] teaching. #eltchat
shaznosel 10:08 PM @Marisa_C @teflerinha guess it's conservative approach that kills the book!! we are talking making money..another subject!#eltchat
Shaunwilden 10:08 PM @fionamau wow a tech savvy cat, you'lll make a fortune ;-) #eltchat
rliberni 10:08 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Ok time out me thinks we will come back to this one #eltchat
rliberni 10:09 PM @Raquel_EFL  I'm inclined to agree with you but 1 size fits all is what sells I think #eltchat
shaznosel 10:09 PM @OUPELTGlobal LIKE!#ELTCHAT
vmorgana 10:09 PM Thanks everyone for this #eltchat, great topic, it was a pleasure to read your ideas :-)
ElindaGjondedaj 10:09 PM RT @theteacherjames: Want to know more about the #eltchat symposium at #IATEFL Glasgow? Listen to @Shaunwilden on the new #eltchat podcast: http://t.co/FQrt0Kjw
ELTExperiences 10:09 PM This evenings #eltchat was quite fast paced and evolving. Some interesting points were raised. Good night.
toulasklavou 10:09 PM Nice chatting with you all, Goodnight, all:)#eltchat
shaznosel 10:09 PM @ELTExperiences @OUPELTGlobal my point too..reality check needed!#ELTCHAT
theteacherjames 10:09 PM What a fantastic, fast moving, educational #eltchat this evening. Thanks everyone!
shaznosel 10:10 PM @OUPELTGlobal @ELTExperiences SUPER LIKE!#ELTCHAT
OUPELTGlobal 10:10 PM Goodnight #ELTchat -ers - very enjoyable.
Marisa_C 10:10 PM @reasons4 Perhaps I don't know ....  #eltchat
shaznosel 10:11 PM #ELTCHAT - Thought I d lurk tonight but seemed it was a great topic to get your teeth into..night all!!
ELTExperiences 10:11 PM @shaznosel @OUPELTGlobal thanks for feedback. What is a publishers position on self-publishing? Supportive or reactive? #eltchat
rliberni 10:11 PM OK calling it a night gr8 chat &  my gr8 co-mods @Marisa_C & @Shaunwilden cheers guys! #eltchat
ElindaGjondedaj 10:11 PM As always great chat!! Hopefully, see you next Wednesday! Have a lovely night! #eltchat
Marisa_C 10:11 PM @cerirhiannon not butting in at all - :-) #ELTchat @reasons4 talking blogs you talking reviewing materials  #eltchat
AnneShirley2011 10:12 PM #ELtchat great ideass! tnx to all. Gd night
Marisa_C 10:12 PM RT @rliberni: OK calling it a night gr8 chat &  my gr8 co-mods @Marisa_C & @Shaunwilden cheers guys! #eltchat > Cheers Berni
cerirhiannon 10:13 PM RT @shaznosel: @cerirhiannon thanks mods - very diplomatic job tonight - congrats! #eltchat
Marisa_C 10:13 PM @shaznosel te he hee u were going a mile a minute - fab  #ELTCHAT
shaznosel 10:13 PM @cerirhiannon thanks mods - very diplomatic job tonight - congrats! #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 10:14 PM @ELTExperiences @shaznosel Anything that produces good learning content is +ve. Publishers can help with this for sure. #ELTchat

 

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