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cybraryman1

1:55 PM

#ELTchat in 7 minutes 7 am EST: IPA: The theory & beyond. Is knowing the IPA essential? Do you use phonemic script in class?.

BobK99

2:00 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: The lunchtime #eltchat is  IPA: The theory and beyond. ... see you at 12 ! Ready and waiting ;0

theteacherjames

2:00 PM

February's #eltchat podcast is now online! Featuring @shaunwilden @tarabenwell @bethcagnol & @yitzha_sarwono http://t.co/07vhw7I4 #elt #efl

Shaunwilden

2:00 PM

Welcome to the lunchtime #ELTchat , so how's your knowledge of the IPA and is it essential to know and use?

esolcourses

2:01 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: Welcome to the lunchtime #ELTchat , so how's your knowledge of the IPA and is it essential to know and use?

rliberni

2:01 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: Welcome to the lunchtime #ELTchat , so how's your knowledge of the IPA and is it essential to know and use?

rliberni

2:01 PM

RT @theteacherjames: February's #eltchat podcast is now online! Featuring @shaunwilden @tarabenwell @bethcagnol & @yitzha_sarwono http://t.co/07vhw7I4 #elt #efl

Shaunwilden

2:01 PM

@BobK99 Welcome :-) So what's your thoughts on IPA? #ELTchat

rliberni

2:02 PM

I personally think that as a teacher we should know it - using it depends a lot on the teaching situation #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:02 PM

@MrChrisJWilson How do you use it? #ELTchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:02 PM

#eltchat my knowledge is poor! Though I'm getting better. I do use it. I've heard it can be very useful for Dyslexic students.

MrChrisJWilson

2:03 PM

@Shaunwilden error correction on writing work. What is the sound? How can we spell that sound. How do you spell it here? #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:03 PM

@Shaunwilden #ELTchat I think i have learned and forgotten IPA three times.

BobK99

2:03 PM

@Shaunwilden  #ELTchat I use it, can't imagine teaching (or learning) without it. Don't understand teachers who don't.

Shaunwilden

2:03 PM

RT @rliberni: I personally think that as a teacher we should know it - using it depends a lot on the teaching situation #eltchat

rliberni

2:04 PM

@michaelegriffin  to be honest I sometimes have to check some too! #eltchat

esolcourses

2:04 PM

@Shaunwilden not sure I'd go so far as to say IPA knowledge is essential, but I think it's useful, both for learners & for teachers #ELTChat

Shaunwilden

2:04 PM

@michaelegriffin I'm the same :-) #ELTchat

rliberni

2:04 PM

In classes I always used to add the symbols for all new words  but with 1:1 unless they know it it isn't so necessary #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:05 PM

@OUPELTGlobal Welcome, yes IPA, do you use it? Is it essential, how do you use etc #ELTchat

rliberni

2:05 PM

The best use I ever had for the IPA was singing non-English songs in a choir - I had it all over my score! #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:05 PM

Hello everyone. Sorry I'm late. So, it's IPA today? #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:05 PM

@esolcourses Me neither, I wonder if it is cos I taught in mainly a monolingual environ and they used their own coding #ELTchat

rapple18

2:05 PM

I think we have to be careful that we're not introducing 'a new language' with IPA. It can be frightening for sts; small doses #ELTchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:06 PM

@rapple18 Definitely true! I have Ukrainian students who are used to Cyrillic script. can be hard to learn two new scripts! #eltchat

rapple18

2:06 PM

@esolcourses @Shaunwilden I think some sounds are essential for Ts to know (and some I always have to check!) #ELTchat

reasons4

2:06 PM

@Shaunwilden did my phonology man help you learn the IPA for your dip #ELTchat or was that Tim. And b4 you say anything I start in 20 mins

CNvrsation

2:06 PM

I agree that it's useful (Personally: I know it, I use it, I love it) #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:06 PM

RT @PatrickAndrews: @rliberni When we refer to IPA are we talking about the whole thing or just the phonemes in English #eltchat

PatrickAndrews

2:06 PM

@rliberni When we refer to IPA are we talking about the whole thing or just the phonemes in English #eltchat

ddeubel

2:06 PM

#eltchat I'd use the IPA only with students if I had a lot of time to spend with them and the course was pron. intensive

OUPELTGlobal

2:07 PM

@CNvrsation Interesting. Why do you love it and how do you use it? #eltchat

rliberni

2:07 PM

@PatrickAndrews  good question I would imagine just the phonemic chart for EFL #eltchat

BobK99

2:07 PM

@MrChrisJWilson  #eltchat re dyslexia: at a teechmeet another T reported that she was teaching an adult from Spain whose dyslexia was 1/2

Shaunwilden

2:07 PM

By the way if you are new to #ELTchat and need some help then the mods are me and @rliberni so please ask us

michaelegriffin

2:07 PM

@rapple18 #ELTchat I think this is a good point.Also think its more bout recognizing  alphabet than anything else which might be less scary

educatorshelper

2:07 PM

RT @theteacherjames: February's #eltchat podcast is now online! Featuring @shaunwilden @tarabenwell @bethcagnol & @yitzha_sarwono http://t.co/07vhw7I4 #elt #efl

rliberni

2:07 PM

IME those  stds who know and use it expect you to use it but they are now few and far between #eltchat

rliberni

2:08 PM

Like grammar names I think is it a very useful shorthand to explain things that otherwise take longer but only where it's familiar #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:08 PM

@ddeubel thx for RT but they're not paying attention - pls use global filter in tweetdeck to block unwanted tweets or tweeters #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:08 PM

@Shaunwilden not sure... learners on the course where we used it  all had the same L1, and I do think that it did help... #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:08 PM

@reasons4 I was just thinking of your little man drawing as i wrote that tweet :-)  #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:08 PM

@BobK99 I can understand why you'd find it useful, but I thinks it's a personal choice. Never felt the need to use it myself. #ELTchat

TutorMe_Online

2:09 PM

8 great sites for reluctant writers. via @isteconnects http://t.co/4QMQY1Bv #edtech #elearning #edchat #eltchat #efl #esl #elt #mlearning

galactadon

2:09 PM

Do you use IPA with children as well as adults? #eltchat

PatrickAndrews

2:09 PM

@theteacherjames @BobK99 Think the chart showing where and how sounds are made is useful  #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:09 PM

RT @rapple18: @esolcourses @Shaunwilden I think some sounds are essential for Ts to know (and some I always have to check!) #ELTchat Agreed

BobK99

2:09 PM

@MrChrisJWilson  #eltchat 2/2 ...undiagnosed until he was exposed to ESOL, as Castilian is nearly 1:1 phonemic

CNvrsation

2:09 PM

But also agree with Rachel that some students are intimidated by what they see as a new 'language system' #ELTchat

CNvrsation

2:10 PM

@OUPELTGlobal I teach a pronunciation class. IPA raises awareness of sound as distinct from spelling. #ELTchat

ddeubel

2:10 PM

@Marisa_C - Oh, I have my own tweet filter going. #eltchat No problem there.

michaelegriffin

2:10 PM

@rliberni YES,was so ready 2 use it post CELTA (expecting Ss would know it) but neither my Korean/Japanese Ss did  #Eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:10 PM

#eltchat I can think of two big issues: What about different "Englishes" how do we used IPA when we don't all pronounce words the same.

rliberni

2:10 PM

@CNvrsation  I agree, I also love it & my students enjoy using it too but I think you need 2 make it part of ur tching for this #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:10 PM

@TutorMe_Online Please only tweet on the topic during actual  #eltchat times

theteacherjames

2:11 PM

RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat I can think of two big issues: What about different "Englishes" how do we used IPA when we don't all pronounce words the same.

PatrickAndrews

2:11 PM

@MrChrisJWilson A good point  #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:11 PM

RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat 2 issues: What about different "Englishes" how do we used IPA when we don't all pronounce words the same.

rliberni

2:12 PM

@michaelegriffin  got excited last week when my std had vocab list w/all the symbols  turned out he didn't know what they were :-( #eltchat

PatrickAndrews

2:12 PM

@esolcourses @rapple18 @Shaunwilden Yes but the consonants are probably most important  #eltchat

BobK99

2:12 PM

RT @rliberni: The best use I...for IPA... non-English songs in a choir - I had it all over my score! #eltchat! I do that too!

Shaunwilden

2:12 PM

@esolcourses @rapple18 @PatrickAndrews Yes queue but you dont say it like questions from sts :-)  #eltchat

rapple18

2:13 PM

(with Adv sts) Recording new vocab: If sts copy-paste phon from dict, is it helping them? I hoped, but am not sure ... ? #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:13 PM

@rapple18 @PatrickAndrews @Shaunwilden not so much the sounds, as the fact that I pronounce some words differently to the book ;-)  #ELTChat

ChristosPas

2:13 PM

I try to teach pronunciation in class. Usually incorporate it in vocabulary activities instead of dealing with it separately #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:13 PM

@PatrickAndrews @BobK99 I can see how it would be useful for self study, but in the class? I can make those sounds myself! #eltchat

rliberni

2:13 PM

@MrChrisJWilson Most course books use it to reflect standard pron but you can show the diff as a ex p'haps #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:13 PM

@rliberni #ELTchat  I can imagine this feeling very well. haha. :)

Shaunwilden

2:13 PM

RT @PatrickAndrews: @esolcourses @rapple18 @Shaunwilden Yes but the consonants are probably most important  #eltchat Agreed

rliberni

2:14 PM

Maybe the demise of IPA is a casualty of the demise of specific pron teaching nowadays? #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:14 PM

@ChristosPas yes i think integrating pron is the best way make it seem part of the whole process  #eltchat

BobK99

2:14 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: RT @PatrickAndrews: @rliberni ... whole thing or just the phonemes in English #eltchat ! Just Eng surely, + maybe ...1/2

esolcourses

2:14 PM

@Shaunwilden @rapple18 @PatrickAndrews  but yes, agree about the consonants. #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:14 PM

#eltchat vowel lengths are very important to avoid issues of "I go to the beach at the weekend".

michaelegriffin

2:15 PM

#ELTchat There was a fair amount of IPA talk in yesterday's #Asiaelt chat

rliberni

2:15 PM

@CNvrsation I always have one on my classroom wall for reference - looking at it now! :-) #eltchat

PatrickAndrews

2:15 PM

@esolcourses @rapple18 @Shaunwilden I understand and I suppose we just have to address the variation  #eltchat

esolcourses

2:15 PM

RT @rliberni: RT @CNvrsation: @OUPELTGlobal I teach a pronunciation class. IPA raises awareness of sound as distinct from spelling. #ELTchat

rapple18

2:15 PM

@rliberni @michaelegriffin excited last week when my std had vocab list w/all the symbols- he didn't know what they were :-( #eltchat 2TRUE!

BobK99

2:16 PM

RT with #eltchat [strike 1]: @Shaunwilden @PatrickAndrews: @rliberni ...2/2 a few distinctive phonemes from the S's L1

PatrickAndrews

2:16 PM

@BobK99 @Shaunwilden @rliberni But ideally a knowledge of other potential sounds can help teacher's understanding  #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:16 PM

@rliberni So why the demise of teaching it? It's comes up so many time in school inspect reports I see  - i.e. tchers dont do it  #eltchat

esolcourses

2:16 PM

RT @rliberni: Maybe the demise of IPA is a casualty of the demise of specific pron teaching nowadays? #eltchat you may be right there

rliberni

2:16 PM

RT @michaelegriffin: #ELTchat There was a fair amount of IPA talk in yesterday's #Asiaelt chat

CNvrsation

2:17 PM

@MrChrisJWilson IPA symbols are representations of sound. Speakers of diff Englishes project their sound on symbol - that's OK #ELTchat

PatrickAndrews

2:17 PM

@BobK99 @Shaunwilden @rliberni ...but this requires detailed knowledge  #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:18 PM

RT @michaelegriffin: #ELTchat why the demise? Do Ts know it?Do they believe in it? Do Ss feel the effects? Do they believe in it?

MrChrisJWilson

2:18 PM

#eltchat A nice activity. Listen/read a text (can be LIVE tv/radio) and write down words you hear with this sound. Esp similar sounds.

michaelegriffin

2:18 PM

@Shaunwilden #ELTchat why the demise? Do Ts know it?Do they believe in it? Do Ss feel the effects? Do they believe in it? Do they expect it?

rapple18

2:18 PM

@esolcourses @Shaunwilden  we just have to address the variation #eltchat Been using symbols 4 (coincid'y) looking @ Glasgow accent. FUN!

esolcourses

2:19 PM

@rapple18 @Shaunwilden  Ha Ha! I bet it was :-) #ELTChat

PatrickAndrews

2:19 PM

@CNvrsation @MrChrisJWilson But some varieties do not make same distinctions - eg North and South England sounds in "cup"  #eltchat

reasons4

2:19 PM

#eltchat ipa suggests teaching individual sounds which can be fruitless and the least important part of teaching pron

michaelegriffin

2:19 PM

@Shaunwilden #ELTchat My answers would likely be "no" 2 many of those ?'s. Also perhaps teachers think of it as a top down supervisory thing

OUPELTGlobal

2:19 PM

When focussing on pron, I usually focussed on imitation and exposure to the language. How does IPA help students? #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:20 PM

@PatrickAndrews @CNvrsation that's what I was thinking about #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:20 PM

@reasons4 though focusing on one sound can help  - take the czech v and w for insistence  #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:20 PM

@Shaunwilden @rliberni Is this because pron teaching has shifted from a focus on accent to intelligibility? IPA not so useful? #eltchat

BobK99

2:20 PM

@MrChrisJWilson  #eltchat Good question: I took an OU course that introduced it, and as an exercise asked us to transcribe Yorkshire ...1/2

rliberni

2:20 PM

@OUPELTGlobal  I think for those students who are fam it acts as a shorthand it also helps to group sounds for them #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:21 PM

@theteacherjames But even in that argument you'd still need to work on pron to ensure intelligibility  #eltchat

rliberni

2:21 PM

@reasons4  unless you have students who are struggling with particular sounds which is not uncommun #eltchat

PatrickAndrews

2:21 PM

@reasons4 Yes, supersegmantals are very important  #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:22 PM

@Shaunwilden Sure, but it's a lot less prescriptive. The 'right' answer could be any number of sounds depending on the word. #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:22 PM

@Shaunwilden wasn't there a presentation at #IHDOS about pron for ELF? My DoS had some feedback on it #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:22 PM

adults find it extremely difficult to improve all aspects to perfection but helps their listening #ELtchat (occasional tweet while in class)

BobK99

2:22 PM

@MrChrisJWilson  #eltchat ...2/2 accent given only the 44 symbols needed for RP. Even the T didn't seem to recognize that it's not poss. :)

rapple18

2:22 PM

#michaelegriffin #shaunwilden re demise: Does CELTA do less now for new Ts with pron? or is it just what I've  noticed.. #eltchat

rliberni

2:22 PM

@theteacherjames  true but the biggest cry I have at advanced level is for 'elocution'! It's still desirable #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:23 PM

@BobK99 Tthat must of been... interesting! I've heard someone has produced IPA for american accents! #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:23 PM

Does seeing the symbol help a student with the sound? As opposed to simply seeing a "th"? #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:23 PM

@rapple18 oo you made me a hashtag :-) I dont think the syllabus has changed but its up to the centre to decide how much they do  #eltchat

reasons4

2:23 PM

@Shaunwilden #eltchat but how often does it lead to a breakdown in communication?  I took my cat to de wet

theteacherjames

2:24 PM

@rliberni The word elocution scares me! There are all kinds of cultural issues I have with that, & I'd have to chat w/ the ss #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:24 PM

@reasons4 Was just an example - the vowels sounds cause issue and the swallowing of the final const. sounds etc  #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:24 PM

@Shaunwilden @reasons4 I am thinking R and L here in N. East Asia. Many ss are terrified of it and not sure IPA helps reduce fear. #ELTchat

theteacherjames

2:25 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: When focussing on pron, I usually focussed on imitation and exposure to the language. How does IPA help students? #eltchat

rliberni

2:25 PM

@reasons4  agree, (it can do) but what about the student's personal self-esteem? #eltchat

tamaralpha

2:25 PM

#eltchat Hi evry1! Sorry 4 imposing d demise of Ipa on u. I've jst left d clss nw. Has any1 drew parallels btwn ipa & d periodic table yet?

BobK99

2:26 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @PatrickAndrews @BobK99....useful for self st, but in the cl? I can make those snds myself! #eltchat!T not always there

michaelegriffin

2:26 PM

@BobK99 I am ready to be convinced....I understand why I don't use it (time investment and focus on other things usually) #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:26 PM

RT @theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @rliberni Is this because pron teaching has shifted from focus on accent to intelligibility? #eltchat maybe

Shaunwilden

2:27 PM

Ok we're reaching halfway point should we consider how we can use it? i.e. activities, purposes etc?   #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:27 PM

I have a multilingual/multicultural group of adults in Oxford. Would anyone recommend I introduce the IPA chart to them? #eltchat

PatrickAndrews

2:27 PM

@theteacherjames @rliberni I was threatened with elocution lessons as a child because I has a strong Coventry accent  #eltchat

rapple18

2:28 PM

@reasons4 @Shaunwilden "breakdown in communication"? #eltchat Once had problems w/ arabic/aerobic, violins/violence. Maybe stress not sound

OUPELTGlobal

2:28 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: Ok we're reaching halfway point should we consider how we can use it? i.e. activities, purposes etc? #eltchat

rliberni

2:28 PM

@theteacherjames  their word not mine I agree it smacks of a standard imposed from outside for them just a word I think :-) #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:29 PM

@rliberni Don't worry, I assumed as much! Very much a teacher led, top down kind of word. #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:29 PM

RT @PatrickAndrews: @Shaunwilden Playing scrabble with the sounds in place of letters can help awareness of phonemes and is fun #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:29 PM

@BobK99....useful for self st, but in the cl? I can make those snds myself! #eltchat!T not always there

PatrickAndrews

2:29 PM

@Shaunwilden Playing scrabble with the sounds in place of letters can help awareness of phonemes and is fun #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:29 PM

#eltchat a nice one from teaching unplugged (sorry Shaun) go through a text and identify every use of X sound.

rliberni

2:29 PM

@PatrickAndrews  I think that was common it was part of what you did at school esp for us further north!! (Yorkshire) #eltchat

chiasuan

2:30 PM

This is funny! #eltchat is talking about pronunciation and #IHLTD is talking about punctuation! Hahaha

CNvrsation

2:30 PM

@OUPELTGlobal I find it useful for multicultural adults. Helps them become aware of sounds not in their language and practice. #ELTchat

SophiaKhan4

2:30 PM

@theteacherjames @OUPELTGlobal That's great in class, but IPA helps after, helps them get the most from their dictionaries too. #ELTchat

rliberni

2:30 PM

I would use it in a  focused pronunciation lesson (& for choir singing of course!) #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:30 PM

RT @PatrickAndrews: @Shaunwilden Playing scrabble with the sounds in place of letters can help awareness of phonemes and is fun #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:31 PM

@SophiaKhan4 I like the idea of it as a learning tool beyond the classroom.  #eltchat

rliberni

2:31 PM

@theteacherjames  actually I didn't mind doing it - gives you flexibility of accent :-) #eltchat

esolcourses

2:31 PM

RT @PatrickAndrews:  Playing scrabble with the sounds in place of letters can help awareness of phonemes and is fun #eltchat neat idea!

Shaunwilden

2:31 PM

@chiasuan So what is #IHLTD  saying about it?  #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:31 PM

@SophiaKhan4 @OUPELTGlobal I can see the application as a self study tool, but for me to use? Can't see why I would. Convince me! #ELTchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:31 PM

#eltchat Write two similar sounds on board. Teacher plans order they will say. Speaks very quickly alternating between sounds. sts write

rliberni

2:31 PM

@SophiaKhan4  Gr8 point almost essential for dictionary work #eltchat

CNvrsation

2:32 PM

I use first 2 classes to 'teach' IPA. Then use it for listening activities, teaching nonstandard spelling and error correction #ELTchat

theteacherjames

2:32 PM

@rliberni I suppose that's better than flattening your accent, which is what happens to most of us! #eltchat

PatrickAndrews

2:32 PM

@rliberni @SophiaKhan4 Many int and advanced students know phonemic script and use it as you say  #eltchat

rliberni

2:32 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @chiasuan So what is #IHLTD  saying about it?  #eltchat

rliberni

2:32 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: @SophiaKhan4 I like the idea of it as a learning tool beyond the classroom.  #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:33 PM

#ELTchat I guess the most fun thing i have done with IPA was writing song titles (in IPA) and having classmates decode what was written.

rliberni

2:33 PM

My stds used to enjoy translating words written in IPA - really just a way of learning it but can be fun #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:33 PM

Do you think it makes students moe confident in working on pron? Gives them a basis to work from?  #eltchat

CNvrsation

2:33 PM

My students get flashcards of all IPA. Play listening games (minimal pairs) where they hold up sound card #ELTchat

theteacherjames

2:33 PM

@Raquel_EFL Haha, I know how they feel! #eltchat

BobK99

2:33 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal  ...T not always there #eltchat ! Is it just me or is there an echo in here? ;)

rliberni

2:34 PM

@OUPELTGlobal  I think so it's like a kind of secret code - actually you could use it to write secret messages to other stds! #eltchat

krabongtan6213

2:34 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: Do you think it makes students moe confident in working on pron? Gives them a basis to work from?  #eltchat

rliberni

2:35 PM

@tamaralpha  discussing the IPA and its relevance in ELT today #eltchat

rapple18

2:35 PM

slowly building up a repertoire of key sounds / symbols for that gp. easier if monoling.  #eltchat

rapple18

2:35 PM

slowly building up a repertoire of key sounds / symbols for that gp. easier if monoling.  #eltchat

BobK99

2:35 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @PatrickAndrews @BobK99....useful for self st...#eltchat!BK:T not always there...2/2 not just L1 approximation

BobK99

2:35 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @PatrickAndrews @BobK99....useful for self st...#eltchat!BK:T not always there...2/2 not just L1 approximation

CNvrsation

2:35 PM

I agree! RT @OUPELTGlobal: @SophiaKhan4 I like the idea of it as a learning tool beyond the classroom. #eltchat

rliberni

2:36 PM

@michaelegriffin  good point but some stds still want to compile their own word lists #eltchat

rapple18

2:36 PM

@michaelegriffin  "writing song titles (in IPA) and having classmates decode what was written". #ELTchat Great idea! Could do films2

CNvrsation

2:36 PM

@michaelegriffin I like that! #ELTchat

michaelegriffin

2:36 PM

@rliberni @SophiaKhan4 Maybe part of the "demise" if IPA is because all these fancy electronic dictionaries can just say the word  #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:36 PM

RT @rapple18: slowly building up a repertoire of key sounds / symbols for that gp. easier if monoling.  #eltchat

BobK99

2:37 PM

RT @SophiaKhan4: @theteacherjames @OUPELTGlobal ...IPA helps after, helps them get the most from their dictis too. #ELTchat! Yes, esp dicts

rliberni

2:37 PM

@Raquel_EFL  it doesn't really exist outside EFL and linguistics I think #eltchat

SophiaKhan4

2:37 PM

#ELTchat LOVE using it show how connected speech blurs words together - & various warmers/fillers eg categorising according to prob sounds

theteacherjames

2:37 PM

@Raquel_EFL @esolcourses That's exactly how I feel about it. I can't connect it with my own language. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:37 PM

Why does someone always come to front door and interupt me during!   #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:37 PM

#eltchat I've also noticed more English written "phonemically" using standard script

Shaunwilden

2:38 PM

Does anyone use pronunciation apps?  #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:38 PM

@rliberni #ELTchat says the man that forgot IPA three times. :)

michaelegriffin

2:38 PM

@rliberni #ELTchat sort of off track here but I think that putting the time into such things can be really useful. Elec dictionary too easy!

Shaunwilden

2:38 PM

RT @SophiaKhan4: #ELTchat LOVE using show how connected speech blurs words together - & various warmers/fillers

Ed_SG

2:38 PM

English language teachers, do join #eltchat to discuss strategies in developing your craft. A session is happening right now #edsg #edchat

rliberni

2:38 PM

RT @SophiaKhan4: #ELTchat LOVE using it show how connected speech blurs words together - & various warmers/fillers eg categorising according to prob sounds

SueAnnan

2:39 PM

@tamaralpha  Hi Tamara #ELTchat

shamsensei

2:39 PM

@rliberni r u moderating #eltchat ?

CNvrsation

2:40 PM

RT @SophiaKhan4: @krabongtan6213 @OUPELTGlobal I do actually, it has be taught/introduced well but very empowering tool #ELTchat

michaelegriffin

2:40 PM

@Shaunwilden I'm feeling really old tonight.... mmm what's a pronunciation app? #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:40 PM

@Raquel_EFL there are interactive IPA charts for starters  #eltchat

rliberni

2:40 PM

@shamsensei  yes, do you need something #eltchat

esolcourses

2:40 PM

@theteacherjames @Raquel_EFL I can connect it with my own language, but rarely (if ever) get the time to incorporate it in lessons #eltchat

rliberni

2:40 PM

I think like 'non-defining-relative-clauses' & the like another clever tool now to lie forgotten at the bottom of the ELT toolbox #eltchat

BobK99

2:40 PM

RT @CNvrsation: I use first 2 classes to 'teach' IPA. Then use it for listening acts, teaching nonstand sp and error correction #ELTchat!Yes

SophiaKhan4

2:40 PM

@krabongtan6213 @OUPELTGlobal I do actually, it has be taught/introduced well but very empowering tool #ELTchat

leoselivan

2:41 PM

dear #eltchat I talking about Twitter with the Eng Inspectors from Min of Ed can you pls greet us?

richDis48

2:41 PM

RT @theteacherjames: February's #eltchat podcast is now online! Featuring @shaunwilden @tarabenwell @bethcagnol & @yitzha_sarwono http://t.co/07vhw7I4 #elt #efl

Shaunwilden

2:41 PM

@michaelegriffin For an ip@d, phone etc, hang on let me go to itunes :-)  #eltchat

rliberni

2:41 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @Raquel_EFL there are interactive IPA charts for starters  #eltchat

esolcourses

2:41 PM

@theteacherjames @Raquel_EFL if s's are interested though, I do point them in the right direction for self-study resources #eltchat

rliberni

2:41 PM

@Ed_SG  yes #eltchat

rliberni

2:42 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: This is the British council sounds right app http://t.co/2hTrngcJ  #ELTchat

rliberni

2:42 PM

@michaelegriffin  I tend to agree  effort = success  (I always used to dictate essay titles too - easy to copy & get wrong!)#eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:42 PM

This is the British council sounds right app http://t.co/2hTrngcJ  #ELTchat

theteacherjames

2:42 PM

@Shaunwilden I'm no fan of IPA, but @MacmillanELT's Sounds app is a thing of beauty:http://t.co/Xlp4cnVi #eltchat

tucksoon

2:42 PM

RT @Ed_SG: English language teachers, do join #eltchat to discuss strategies in developing your craft. A session is happening right now #edsg #edchat

BobK99

2:42 PM

@rliberni  #eltchat: University Challenge (BBC2) did just that last wk - spot the Shakespeare quotation (written in IPA)

SophiaKhan4

2:42 PM

@Shaunwilden Macmillan Sounds app good for Ts and Sts I've heard, using Underhill's chart #ELTchat

michaelegriffin

2:42 PM

@Shaunwilden *Checking out apps now.... :)

SueAnnan

2:42 PM

I use the chart everyday with students at all levels when needed #ELTchat

CNvrsation

2:42 PM

Thanks for a stimulating conversation! I need to get ready for work now (NY - EST) #ELTchat

rliberni

2:43 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: Not an IPA fan, but this discussion has got me curious. Going to take a chart to my class tonight. #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:43 PM

#eltchat the FREE Macmillan phonemic chart app http://t.co/NaudJrHv God bless Ady Underhill

michaelegriffin

2:43 PM

@Shaunwilden Find myself very skeptical #ELTchat http://t.co/E2tWZiKa such things, right?

SueAnnan

2:43 PM

@tamaralpha  Not if they can see the difference /slanted brackets/ #eltchat

rliberni

2:43 PM

@BobK99  shucks missed it! #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:43 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @Shaunwilden I'm no fan of IPA, but @MacmillanELT's Sounds app is a thing of beauty:http://t.co/yHKo3gNh #eltchat

BobK99

2:43 PM

RT @CNvrsation: I agree! RT @OUPELTGlobal: @SophiaKhan4 I like the idea of it as a learning tool beyond the classroom. #eltchat! Me 3!

leoselivan

2:44 PM

is the topic teaching pronunciation today #eltchat?

Shaunwilden

2:44 PM

@michaelegriffin I just wondered if anyone had exp with them i have them and they look pretty but have no f2f classes at mo  #ELTchat

SueAnnan

2:44 PM

sorry. Just dipped in for a few mins. Must go to work now :-) #ELTchat

rliberni

2:44 PM

RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat the FREE Macmillan phonemic chart app http://t.co/NaudJrHv God bless Ady Underhill

OUPELTGlobal

2:45 PM

I can certainly see it as a resource for students learning outside the classroom. Don't really know what to do with it in class. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:45 PM

@leoselivan Hi Leo, yes it s about using the IPA  #ELTchat

harrisonmike

2:45 PM

gave my elem-pre-int class a conversatn frm Radio 4 that I'd converted to phonemic. Told them it was a puzzle. They worked it out! #eltchat

leoselivan

2:45 PM

@SueAnnan bye Sue #eltchat

Ed_SG

2:45 PM

weekly #ELTchat is moderated by @rliberni You can follow her to find out abt what topics are up for discussion and timings #edsg #edchat

theteacherjames

2:45 PM

@esolcourses That makes more sense to me, as a self study tool if they wish. #eltchat

CNvrsation

2:46 PM

good luck! :) RT @OUPELTGlobal: Not an IPA fan, but this discussion has got me curious. Going to take a chart to my class tonight. #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:46 PM

@OUPELTGlobal Raise awareness of problem sounds. Useful to highlight these in words and connected speech #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:46 PM

@Raquel_EFL It's very well made, and has both British and US versions. #eltchat

shamsensei

2:46 PM

@rliberni just introducing the fresh and new #edsg tweeps to what u guys do weekly at #eltchat and #edchat

michaelegriffin

2:46 PM

@Shaunwilden I am curious too.. And less skeptical seeing that Adrian Underhill is involved. #ELTchat and that @theteacherjames recommends

theteacherjames

2:47 PM

@michaelegriffin @Shaunwilden I'm recommending it as an app if that's your thing. Not mine though, can't deny how well made it is. #ELTchat

leoselivan

2:47 PM

@Shaunwilden thanks Shaun #eltchat

CNvrsation

2:47 PM

Amen! (love that guy) RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat the FREE Macmillan phonemic chart app http://t.co/F6Vw4N6q God bless Ady Underhill

esolcourses

2:47 PM

@theteacherjames @Raquel_EFL agree. As with many things, can be very useful but benefits for s's may be mixed, dep. on interest #eltchat

SophiaKhan4

2:47 PM

@OUPELTGlobal #ELTchat They might need you to show them how...

rliberni

2:47 PM

RT @harrisonmike: @OUPELTGlobal Raise awareness of problem sounds. Useful to highlight these in words and connected speech #eltchat

BobK99

2:47 PM

@rapple18  #eltchat Introduce say 6 vowel sound symbols, the listen to a DVD and spot just those sounds; I did some Mkt Ldr upper-int ones

OUPELTGlobal

2:48 PM

@SophiaKhan4 Thanks, Yes, they would need some guidance to be able to use it on their own. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:48 PM

Seems you can also download the chart to your computer from the BC website http://t.co/iY3urG2e and they have activities as well  #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:48 PM

@esolcourses Exactly #eltchat

BobK99

2:48 PM

@rapple18  #eltchat I cd upload my Mkt Ldr stuff to my TES resources, if anyone's interested

theteacherjames

2:49 PM

@michaelegriffin And agreed, Adrian Underhill element is interesting, but watched a webinar he presented & I just didn't get it. #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:50 PM

Ok last 10 minutes,  any last words of wisdom?  #eltchat

CNvrsation

2:50 PM

Teaching IPA IS def time investment, but saves lots of time later on (I think) #ELTchat

rapple18

2:50 PM

@BobK99 "just 6 sounds" nice and suitably low key! #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:51 PM

@michaelegriffin Personal taste, I suppose. #ELTchat

rliberni

2:51 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: Ok last 10 minutes,  any last words of wisdom?  #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:52 PM

RT @rliberni: Like everything else it depends how you use it and if it's effective for you students - if it is then why not! #eltchat

rliberni

2:52 PM

RT @Marisa_C: @theteacherjames  #eltchat /əʊaɪmnɒtwaɪʤəθɪŋkəʊ/ 

rliberni

2:52 PM

Like everything else it depends how you use it and if it's effective for you students - if it is then why not! #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:52 PM

@Marisa_C Oh you're funny :-)  #eltchat

rapple18

2:52 PM

RT @CNvrsation: Teaching IPA IS def time investment, but saves lots of time later on (I think) #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:52 PM

@theteacherjames  #eltchat /hΙ™vjΙ™twi:tΙ™Γ°Ι™pΙ”:dkΙ™stjetΙ”:nΙ’t/

Shaunwilden

2:53 PM

@theteacherjames Sound like we have next months blog challenge then :-)  #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:53 PM

@Marisa_C You what? Ich nicht sprechen sie deutsch. #eltchat

BobK99

2:53 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: .... Going to take a chart to my class tonight. #eltchat! Good for you. Let us know how it goes

rliberni

2:53 PM

@Marisa_C  who's accepting the challenge? #eltchat!

rapple18

2:53 PM

some1 posted this on twitter last wk (sorry forget who): IPA on computer: copy-paste http://t.co/uLyOiqMz Gd4sts? #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:53 PM

I remain unconvinced - who wants to try and convince me! ;-) #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:54 PM

@Shaunwilden It's gonna be a hell of a challenge! #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:54 PM

@theteacherjames Yes :-)  #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:54 PM

@Shaunwilden What, convince me? :) #eltchat

rliberni

2:55 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: Seems important for students to be aware of it. That would be my first goal in class and then go from there.  #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:55 PM

@Shaunwilden  #eltchat@theteacherjames  #eltchat  /həvjətwi:təðəpɔ:dkəstjetɔ:nɒt/  #eltchat

SophiaKhan4

2:56 PM

@Shaunwilden #ELTchat Have to go, midnight here. Thanks all, I enjoyed my first time!

rliberni

2:57 PM

RT @rapple18: @oupeltglobal Seems important for students to be aware of it. #eltchat Yup - then bit by bit, but keeping it fun!

rapple18

2:57 PM

@oupeltglobal Seems important for students to be aware of it. #eltchat Yup - then bit by bit, but keeping it fun!

rliberni

2:57 PM

@SophiaKhan4  Great to see you here. Good night :-) #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:57 PM

@SophiaKhan4 Thanks for dropping by check out the  #eltchat blog for a summary later this week

rliberni

2:58 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: 25 years teaching and I feel like I've got a new toy to play with !!! #eltchat Pls report back! #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:58 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: 25 years teaching and I feel like I've got a new toy to play with !!! #eltchat :-))) let us know how it goes

worldteacher

2:58 PM

Intended to join #eltchat tonight, but tied up with something else - will look forward to the summary.

OUPELTGlobal

2:58 PM

25 years teaching and I feel like I've got a new toy to play with !!! #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:58 PM

RT @rliberni: Great chat today now who will volunteer for the summary? #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:58 PM

RT @rapple18:: Seems imp for sts to be aware of it. #eltchat Yup - then bit by bit, but keeping it fun! - Is that the summarizing quote?:-)

rliberni

2:58 PM

Great chat today now who will volunteer for the summary? #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:59 PM

@OUPELTGlobal You were much more easily convinced than me!! #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:59 PM

Do we have anyone wanting to do the summary for us?  #eltchat

theteacherjames

3:00 PM

Join the #eltchat "My First Lesson Plan" blog challenge. Find out how by listening to @bethcagnol on the podcast: http://t.co/bBqcIpWr #elt

rliberni

3:00 PM

If nobody volunteers there will be no summary on this gr8 IPA chat :-( #eltchat

Shaunwilden

3:00 PM

RT @Marisa_C: /sΙ™Κ'hu:nΙ™ΚzhaΚtΙ™ju:zaΙpi:eΙ/  pls rely if u can #Eltchat

Shaunwilden

3:00 PM

Ok folks, thanks for joining #eltchat. Tonight it's The future of publishing with the ELT industry for teachers and students

theteacherjames

3:00 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: Do we have anyone wanting to do the summary for us?  #eltchat

rliberni

3:00 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: Do we have anyone wanting to do the summary for us?  #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

3:01 PM

Thanks everyone. My stomach is telling me it's lunch time. Very useful today - more than usual for me #eltchat

Shaunwilden

3:01 PM

Here's the link to the challenge mentioned in the podcast http://t.co/yoPdBnUR #eltchat

rapple18

3:01 PM

@Shaunwilden  Unless I have to do it in phon. script. - yes, OK - will do #eltchat

BobK99

3:01 PM

Loads going on in #eltchat tpday. By th time I catch up with the last 10 mins, every1'll be gone! Bye - and thanks for another week's grist!

Marisa_C

3:01 PM

/səʊ'hu:nəʊzhaʊtəju:zaɪpi:eɪ/  pls rely if u can #Eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

3:01 PM

@theteacherjames I can really see it as a tool for stus. I was surprised by their pron difficulties with so much English around #eltchat

rliberni

3:02 PM

RT @theteacherjames: Join the #eltchat "My First Lesson Plan" blog challenge. Find out how by listening to @bethcagnol on the podcast: http://t.co/bBqcIpWr #elt

theteacherjames

3:02 PM

@OUPELTGlobal I'm not convinced my sts would be that keen. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

3:02 PM

@rapple18 :-) Super thanks, I'll send you the transcript in a bit #eltchat

BobK99

3:02 PM

@rliberni  #eltchat It was only 2 days ago - iPlayer will still have it

rliberni

3:02 PM

@bamarcia  IPA (old-new toy but some Apps were tweeted ) check out @theteacherjames  & @harrisonmike  #eltchat

northstarelt

3:02 PM

@harrisonmike @OUPELTGlobal real listening http://t.co/imFcUWFQ and radio-based materials: http://t.co/3dwwxqPi #eltchat

Shaunwilden

3:03 PM

@rliberni we have a volunteer #eltchat

rliberni

3:03 PM

@BobK99  thanks do u feel like doing the summary for this chat? #eltchat

Shaunwilden

3:03 PM

@tamaralpha I have a volunteer but thanks :-) #eltchat

JosetteLB

3:04 PM

@michaelegriffin U r welcome! It's a great question: "What does the word "teacher trainer" mean to you?" http://t.co/Bm4UuGm6 #ELTchat

rliberni

3:04 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: Dont forget the new podcast is out and it's a bumper one http://t.co/HIxoTrWT  #eltchat

Shaunwilden

3:04 PM

Dont forget the new podcast is out and it's a bumper one http://t.co/HIxoTrWT  #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

3:04 PM

@theteacherjames Will tell you how mine react. Must admit, I'm curious.  #eltchat

rliberni

3:04 PM

@Shaunwilden  Gr8 sorry missed that tweet #eltchat

Shaunwilden

3:05 PM

If you listen to the podcast you'll find out about the #eltchat party at #iatefl  http://t.co/KrhbvNGs