| username |
time |
status |
| sandymillin |
9:01 PM |
All of those responses got to me ;) #eltchat What's the topic tonight? |
| ljp2010 |
9:01 PM |
#ELTchat and what's the topic? sorry, the hours been out for a while here... |
| sandymillin |
9:02 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @Shaunwilden Hi I can see you #eltchat me too |
| SueAnnan |
9:02 PM |
@Shaunwilden Hi I can see you #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:02 PM |
@SueAnnan am trying to be here but not sure if it's working #eltchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:02 PM |
#ELTchat oops - power |
| SueAnnan |
9:02 PM |
And the topic is? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:03 PM |
@vickyloras that's lovely #ELTchat |
| vickyloras |
9:03 PM |
@SueAnnan #ELTchat I'm here - kinda ; ) My mom just arrived from Greece! |
| SueAnnan |
9:03 PM |
@sandymillin HI Sandy #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:04 PM |
So that's 6 of us then :-) #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:04 PM |
@esolcourses Hi honey.#ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
9:05 PM |
@SueAnnan Hi Sue! @ChristosPas half-dead twitter seems to be my lot tonight, too #ELTChat |
| sandymillin |
9:05 PM |
@SueAnnan Hi Sue. Looks like it'll be an intimate #eltchat this week ;) All we need now is something to talk about that isn't twitter probs! |
| ChristosPas |
9:05 PM |
I'm here too....tho my twitter is kinda dying and won't let me chat properly #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:06 PM |
OK when do you monitor your students? I do it when they are working in pairs and don't notice me. #ELTchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:06 PM |
hi everyone!Sharon greets everyone but too tired to chat tonite!#eltchat |
| AnnLoseva |
9:06 PM |
RT @aClilToClimb: #Project366 What's cooking? http://t.co/Y3GjuU7g #esl #efl #eltchat #iTDi @AnnLoseva @janetbianchini @SueAnnan |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:06 PM |
#eltchat I'm here...and not here. Will be skyping in a bit. What's the topic? |
| ljp2010 |
9:06 PM |
#ELTchat Is this following on from Neil's Feedback Fiesta last week? |
| rliberni |
9:07 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: OK when do you monitor your students? I do it when they are working in pairs and don't notice me. #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
9:07 PM |
I monitor my students all the time. I don't really think about it consciously - it's just something which is always 'on' #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:07 PM |
@ljp2010 right #ELTchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:07 PM |
#ELTchat @SueAnnan also when they're working by themselves or in sml groups too right? |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:08 PM |
@sandymillin It's dangerous how it can affect your "out of work life" especially when talking to friends #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:08 PM |
What about debriefing? I prefer when my students keep them on LOL #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:08 PM |
RT @sandymillin: I monitor my students all the time. I don't really think about it consciously - it's just something which is always 'on' #eltchat |
| tamaralpha |
9:08 PM |
#eltchat I'm here... Is this how it works? |
| rliberni |
9:08 PM |
I'm here too also experiencing slow #eltchat |
| ChristosPas |
9:09 PM |
@sandymillin Yeah I monitor them all the time too- think it happens subconsciously and spontaneously #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:09 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson true :) I monitor my friends for errors too, though I try not to point them out too often ;) #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:09 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: Trying to join #ELTchat while waiting for a train. My first time on the move! Great stuff James good luck :-) |
| CliveSir |
9:09 PM |
@tamaralpha yep, this is how #eltchat works, though a bit slow tonight! |
| rliberni |
9:09 PM |
@sandymillin me too I monitor all the time in various ways overt and covert! #eltchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:09 PM |
@SueAnnan hahaha. Can I have a defn of that, just to clear that up? #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
9:10 PM |
For me, the hardest thing is knowing what kind of feedback to give after fluency speaking tasks. Errors seem neg, "well done" vague #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:10 PM |
This is doing my head in can't join in #eltchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:10 PM |
#ELTchat @sandymillin Did this to my boss earlier today. Didn't go down that well! |
| SueAnnan |
9:10 PM |
@theteacherjames you will be moving faster than us then #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:11 PM |
@theteacherjames agreed it is difficult with 1:1 as you are there all the time - I try and set 'homework' in the afternoons #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:11 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson how exactly does that work? #eltchat |
| BluPhoenix21 |
9:11 PM |
RT @TheConsultantsE: Interesting tools to work on videos & listening http://t.co/XjJvTnaM #eltchat #esl #edtech #ellchat via @madaboutelt |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:11 PM |
@sandymillin What about positive monitoring. I remember being told about this at summer school. Seams to work well. #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:11 PM |
@ljp2010 if you reformulate, how do you get students to remember the new phrases? #ELTchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:11 PM |
@sandymillin I like to go with good things I heard, vocab/collocation input and reformulation to sound more natural #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:11 PM |
I try not to correct my friends or students out of class #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:11 PM |
#ELTchat Teaching 1-1, I have to make sure there are times when I'm not monitoring them. |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:12 PM |
@sandymillin Bored up correct utterances, interesting information, phrases they "shouldn't know". etc #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:12 PM |
@antoniaclare Hi Antonia! #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:12 PM |
@SueAnnan especially w/speaking I try to have times just for fluency then they tell me I don't correct enough! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:12 PM |
@tamaralpha Not tonight's topic. Sorry #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:12 PM |
@theteacherjames do you tell them that you're not monitoring them, or do you just give them less error correction? #ELTchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:12 PM |
Following tweets relate to #eltchat talking about monitoring sts, when? why? how? - Hi everyone ;) |
| tamaralpha |
9:12 PM |
#eltchat thanks Clive! I have qs re the use of IPA? What do u guys think? |
| sandymillin |
9:12 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: #ELTchat Teaching 1-1, I have to make sure there are times when I'm not monitoring them. <that's hard! |
| SueAnnan |
9:12 PM |
I think feedback depends on the task #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
9:13 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: I think feedback depends on the task #ELTchat agree. Too much feedback can impede the flow. Better @ end of lesson, IMO |
| sandymillin |
9:13 PM |
What do you do with feedback once you've put it on the board? #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:13 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: @sandymillin Board up correct utterances, interesting information, phrases they "shouldn't know". etc #eltchat - Yes |
| CliveSir |
9:13 PM |
@tamaralpha there's a 1 hr chat going on right now, on monitoring of students. IPA after that? #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:13 PM |
#eltchat hi everyone :-) |
| SueAnnan |
9:13 PM |
@rliberni yes, I agree #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:13 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson is 'bored' a Freudian slip? ;) #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:13 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: I think feedback depends on the task #ELTchat - Very important, and i think sts need to know |
| SueAnnan |
9:14 PM |
@Shaunwilden I try to get them to self correct first #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:14 PM |
RT @sandymillin: What do you do with feedback once you've put it on the board? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:14 PM |
@rliberni @SueAnnan do u then over correct to show them? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:14 PM |
@sandymillin save it for a grammar auction next lesson. sometimes #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:14 PM |
@rliberni Thanks. On the train now, so on the move literally! #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:14 PM |
@tamaralpha you could suggest it as an eltchat topic for the future if you like |
| BluPhoenix21 |
9:14 PM |
RT @esolcourses: RT @europeaantje: EVERYTHING you need to know about podcasts HERE: http://t.co/qQw28DDC. written for students by @sandymillin #eltchat #itdi |
| sandymillin |
9:15 PM |
How does your feedback differ for accuracy/fluency based tasks? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:15 PM |
@Shaunwilden good idea I'll try that - could be interesting with 1:1! :-) #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:15 PM |
I try to get sts to write down correct versions in their notebooks #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:15 PM |
@antoniaclare good #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:15 PM |
RT @esolcourses: RT @SueAnnan: I think feedback depends on the task #ELTchat agree. Too much feedback can impede the flow. Better @ end of lesson, IMO |
| antoniaclare |
9:15 PM |
@sandymillin I write up examples of things which I liked (correct), and mix in mistakes - get sts to work out which is right/wrong #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:15 PM |
#eltchat Enjoy the chat. I'm looking forward to the summary. :) |
| sandymillin |
9:16 PM |
#eltchat When doing accuracy focussed tasks I do the same as @antoniaclare - mix mistakes/good things. Then drill some of mistakes |
| SueAnnan |
9:16 PM |
Very much. I think that accuracy needs more attention and faster than fluency #ELTchat |
| ChristosPas |
9:16 PM |
Ok, this is not working! Enjoy your chat everyone, I look forward to the summary! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:16 PM |
Grammar auctions, long it since I've done one of them :-) #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:16 PM |
#eltchat feedback not only language related, can be responding to content too. |
| toulasklavou |
9:16 PM |
Unless it's an accuracy act, I never correct Ss in action, always make clear when 2 give feedback, usu at the end of act#eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:16 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: @sandymillin I write up examples of things which I liked (correct), and mix in mistakes - get sts to work out which is right/wrong #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:16 PM |
Will answer some of these questions soon instead of just firing them out ;) #eltchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:16 PM |
@sandymillin call me old-fashioned but a good bit of drilling doesn't hurt! + recycling games/activities #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:17 PM |
@Shaunwilden :-) #eltchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:17 PM |
@toulasklavou unless there's a breakdown of communication? then you have to interrupt/negotiate meaning #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:17 PM |
@Shaunwilden will definitely try next time! #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:17 PM |
#eltchat with emergent language I sometimes focus on major area to highlight and experiment with in next lesson. |
| sandymillin |
9:17 PM |
#eltchat If possible, I try to create one or two short questions to prompt students to use the corrected version |
| SueAnnan |
9:17 PM |
@rliberni same sort of idea #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:17 PM |
@SueAnnan auctions are fun also placing bets on whether sentences are correct or not #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:17 PM |
@rliberni I usually do it in first lessons with 121 to show them how annoying it is #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
9:18 PM |
#eltchat As lang learner (cont) ...or the 20th time I've seen it and I'm annoyed that I've made that mistake AGAIN |
| ljp2010 |
9:18 PM |
@Shaunwilden #ELTchat i hate grammar auctions! |
| hartle |
9:18 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Grammar auctions, long it since I've done one of them :-) #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:18 PM |
#eltchat However, as a lang learner, I do find that this kind of correction doesn't work for me unless it's 1st time I've noticed it... |
| hartle |
9:19 PM |
#eltchat grammar auction can be good starting point, but more extension usually needed of areas focused on. |
| antoniaclare |
9:19 PM |
Interestingly SLA research shows that overt correction actually not very effective #eltchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:19 PM |
@antoniaclare @sandymillin I do that all the time, it involves all Ss & I check in that way how well they've understood things#eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:19 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: If communication is impeded I write a note and slip it to the student who has the problem to help correct it #ELTchat <snap |
| rliberni |
9:19 PM |
@sandymillin also making a recording of a fluency activity and using this for feedback is good too #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:19 PM |
If communication is impeded I write a note and slip it to the student who has the problem to help correct it #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:19 PM |
@sandymillin if it's a role play I'll take a role as secretary or sthing and record rather than correct & feed it back #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:20 PM |
I recorded my 1-2-1 today for just that reason #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
9:20 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: Interestingly SLA research shows that overt correction actually not very effective #eltchat <my feeling as learner too |
| antoniaclare |
9:20 PM |
...but sts still expect that T to correct them (as much as possible!) #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:20 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: If communication is impeded I write a note and slip it to the student who has the problem to help correct it #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:20 PM |
@ljp2010 so do I - cant see the point, just give them the list and let them work thru it #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:20 PM |
@rliberni recording students is great for feedback, especially if you can get SS to do it regularly. personalised and shows progrs #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:21 PM |
@Shaunwilden I think so ;) #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:21 PM |
#eltchat I also find that sometimes a feedback stage can disrupt flow of a lesson if speaking leads to sth else, or feel forced at end/class |
| hartle |
9:21 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: Interestingly SLA research shows that overt correction actually not very effective #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:21 PM |
@Noreen_Lam Hello there. Twitter is on a go-slow #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:21 PM |
#eltchat so many kinds of feedback, in fact, for so many different situations & stds, ranging from quick correction grsture to analysis |
| Noreen_Lam |
9:21 PM |
@sandymillin I'm getting nothing either....am i doing smth wrong or r there very few participants 2nite? #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:21 PM |
RT@rliberni recording sts is great for feedback, especially if you can get SS to do it regularly. personalised and shows progrs #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:21 PM |
@antoniaclare isn't the same true of FLA? #eltchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:21 PM |
@ljp2010 definitely!#eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:21 PM |
@sandymillin yes and then make a YouTube channel! #eltchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:21 PM |
@Shaunwilden Yes, it's that whole game show aspect. Grrrrrr. ;-) #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:22 PM |
RT @ljp2010: @sandymillin but if the need arises, isn't it better to deal with it whilst relevant at that moment? #ELTchat |
| Noreen_Lam |
9:22 PM |
Delayed correction is nice coz ss write it down and practise, but then the next day, they make the same mistakes again.... #eltchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:22 PM |
@sandymillin but if the need arises, isn't it better to deal with it whilst relevant at that moment? #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:22 PM |
RT @ljp2010: @sandymillin call me old-fashioned but a good bit of drilling doesn't hurt! + recycling games/activities #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:23 PM |
RT @sandymillin: #eltchat I also find that sometimes a feedback stage can disrupt flow of a lesson... So save analysis until next time |
| ljp2010 |
9:23 PM |
@sandymillin more organic then. Yes, otherwise it's just going through the motions #ELTchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:23 PM |
@rliberni + when sts record themselves they really want to focus on accuracy before they speak (pron,gramm, lexis) - v motivated #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:23 PM |
@sandymillin so is it a case of us doing feedback cos we think we should rather than anything concrete :-) #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:23 PM |
@ljp2010 that doesn't mean I never do feedback :) just that I don't always have a specific feedback slot after every speaking task #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
9:23 PM |
@ljp2010 that doesn't mean I never do feedback :) just that I don't always have a specific feedback slot after every speaking task #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:24 PM |
RT @ljp2010: @sandymillin more organic then. Yes, otherwise it's just going through the motions #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
9:24 PM |
@Shaunwilden (feedback cos we should) that's exactly right. think it depends what you're aiming for in class #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:24 PM |
I think you have to be sensitive in feedback to the std, the error and the task & choose most appropriate type and place #eltchat |
| Noreen_Lam |
9:24 PM |
@SueAnnan Thx Sue...wasn't sure if I had to "sign-in" somewhere... :) Only my 2nd #eltchat ever! :) |
| SueAnnan |
9:24 PM |
@sandymillin Nor me. Sometimes it devalues the activity 2 have feedback after a gd discussion. But I save the errors 4 another day #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:24 PM |
@rliberni @ljp2010 @sandymillin yay for drilling :-) # eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:25 PM |
RT @rliberni think U have 2 B sensitive in feedback 2 the std, the error & the task & choose most appropriate type & place #eltchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:25 PM |
@antoniaclare v. true, that's why T should clarify before an activity when to give feedback, esp in speaking act. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
9:25 PM |
RT @sandymillin: @Shaunwilden tend to follow my instinct with feedback. if one error appears from a lot of SS I do make them aware of it tho #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:25 PM |
RT @sandymillin: #eltchat I find that sometimes feedback stage can disrupt flow of a lesson...So save analysis until next time>Agree |
| esolcourses |
9:25 PM |
RT @rliberni think you have to be sensitive in feedback to the std, the error & the task & choose most appropriate type and place #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:25 PM |
@Shaunwilden tend to follow my instinct with feedback. if one error appears from a lot of SS I do make them aware of it tho #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:25 PM |
@Noreen_Lam LOvely to have you with us #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:26 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @sandymillin #ELTchat but feedback is also just concluding comments, not only errors and, of course good language use too. |
| CliveSir |
9:26 PM |
@tamaralpha @followabbie U can have a column for eg #ELTchat, another for #edchat, another for friends and so on. |
| SueAnnan |
9:26 PM |
@ljp2010 It's that usual answer - it depends! #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
9:26 PM |
RT @ljp2010: @sandymillin How? written? spoken? self correction, peer correction, you tell them the answer? so many choices! #ELTchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:26 PM |
@sandymillin How? written? spoken? self correction, peer correction, you tell them the answer? so many choices! #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:27 PM |
RT @hartle: #eltchat important to give feedback on gd language use as well as errors. |
| antoniaclare |
9:27 PM |
RT @ljp2010: @hartle good point. it might be drawing attention to aims, content, what you learnt - an overall sense of closure #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:27 PM |
#eltchat important to give feedback on gd language use as well as errors. |
| Shaunwilden |
9:27 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: RT @rliberni think U have 2 B sensitive in feedback 2 the std, the error & the task & choose most appropriate type & place #eltchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:27 PM |
@hartle good point. it might be drawing attention to aims, content, what you learnt - an overall sense of closure #ELTchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:27 PM |
@antoniaclare @sandymillin when lesson flows well, esp in group discussions, T can get lots of input for next lesson#eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:27 PM |
#eltchat A link to Russell Stannard talking about giving oral feedback on written work - great stuff http://t.co/OV5zHkYb |
| SueAnnan |
9:27 PM |
@hartle Yes. I suppose you're right there and I do praise where necessary #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:28 PM |
#eltchat feedback on ideas etc. Gd to show stds you are interrsted in thr ideas, not just their errors. |
| antoniaclare |
9:28 PM |
#eltchat A lot of feedback is just given in the way we react/respond to sts; smile, nod, look questioning |
| lauraahaha |
9:28 PM |
Good idea! RT @antoniaclare I write up examples of things I liked (correct) & mix in mistakes - sts work out which is right/wrong #eltchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:29 PM |
@hartle True. so sad when the teacher is only listening for the correct answer & misses chance for real interaction #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:29 PM |
RT @hartle: #eltchat feedback on ideas etc. Gd to show stds you are interrsted in thr ideas, not just their errors. |
| hartle |
9:29 PM |
RT @lauraahaha: Good idea! RT @antoniaclare I write up examples of things I liked (correct) & mix in mistakes - sts work out which is right/wrong #eltchat |
| NoelineL |
9:29 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: RT @barbsaka: Join me, Scott Thornbury, Steven Herder on March 3rd for a free webinar: Error Correction http://t.co/UqE3sVS9 #eltchat #esl |
| antoniaclare |
9:29 PM |
RT @hartle: #eltchat feedback on ideas etc. Gd to show stds you are interrsted in thr ideas, not just their errors. |
| CliveSir |
9:29 PM |
@tamaralpha @followabbie For the weekly chats there's usually a poll. # ELTchat has 2 x 1hr chats a week - both on Wednesday, one right now! |
| toulasklavou |
9:30 PM |
@ljp2010 @sandymillin I know!it depends on the lesson's objectives &each act, good 2 use a variety so that Ss dont' get bored#eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:30 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat A lot of feedback is just given in the way we react/respond to sts; smile, nod, look questioning |
| rliberni |
9:30 PM |
I'm afraid I have to go early tonight (daughter has Uni interview tomorrow & wants help 2 prep) gr8 topic will catch up via summary #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:30 PM |
#eltchat maybe someone shd give me feedback on my terrible spelling :-(( |
| ljp2010 |
9:30 PM |
how often do you make the aim of your activity/task explicit to your sts or ask them to think about it? #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
9:30 PM |
@antoniaclare My students really appreciated the feedback I sent them through Jing - they were shocked at 1st, but thanked me :) #eltchat |
| profesortbaker |
9:30 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: RT @hartle: #eltchat feedback on ideas etc. Gd to show stds you are interrsted in thr ideas, not just their errors. |
| lauraahaha |
9:30 PM |
Just catching up on everything I missed from the first 30 mins of #eltchat... |
| ljp2010 |
9:31 PM |
@lauraahaha like it. some of them really get into it. love it when they copy your ideosyncracies :P #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:31 PM |
#eltchat Twitter getting even slower! |
| toulasklavou |
9:31 PM |
@rliberni Goodnight and good luck 2 ur daughter#eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:31 PM |
@lauraahaha My students are normally too scared to be the teacher. But I like the idea in theory! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:31 PM |
@rliberni good luck to your daughter #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:31 PM |
@rliberni Nice to 'see' you - thanks - Good luck for the Uni ;) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:31 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat A lot of feedback is just given in the way we react/respond to sts; smile, nod, look questioning |
| lauraahaha |
9:31 PM |
How about getting sts to do the feedback? e.g. (s)electing a teacher from among them who monitors certain activities. #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:32 PM |
RT @rliberni: I'm afraid I have to go early...#eltchat. Night, night, Berni |
| antoniaclare |
9:32 PM |
What about getting sts to correct each other? Does anyone else find this gets too messy? #eltchat |
| lauraahaha |
9:32 PM |
@ljp2010 Yeah, the group I did this with tonight had great fun parodying me! But they learn & laugh, so no offense taken! :) #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:32 PM |
@antoniaclare Is that the one where he uses jing? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:32 PM |
@lauraahaha getting the sts to do it is a really good idea #eltchat |
| lauraahaha |
9:32 PM |
@sandymillin Yeah definitely depends on the class! But I tried it tonight w/ int sts & it really woke them up (late evening class!) #eltchat |
| profesortbaker |
9:32 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat A link to Russell Stannard talking about giving oral feedback on written work - great stuff http://t.co/OV5zHkYb |
| lauraahaha |
9:33 PM |
RT @antoniaclare What about getting sts to correct each other? <Really depends on the rapport sts have with each other I think. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:33 PM |
@antoniaclare It depends on the students. Some don't take kindly to peer correction IMO #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:33 PM |
RT @lauraahaha: How about getting sts to do the feedback? e.g. (s)electing a teacher from among them who monitors certain activities. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:34 PM |
do you think that students thi k you are a bad teacher if you don't give feedback? #ELTchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:34 PM |
@SueAnnan Yes, he uses video capture to record his feedback on his sts written work. st listens to you talking about their work #eltchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:34 PM |
@ljp2010 mainly at the beginning of the lesson I tell them what they're going 2 learn/achieve &when necessary b4 the act,#eltchat |
| lauraahaha |
9:35 PM |
@SueAnnan Maybe not a BAD teacher, but I think they resent it somehow. 'Nice teacher but what are we learning?' sorta thing. #ELTchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:35 PM |
@SueAnnan I'm gonna say yes to that! you're not being responsive enough to their needs and contributions #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:35 PM |
@SueAnnan @antoniaclare can we not train sts to give peer observation #eltchat |
| vickyloras |
9:36 PM |
Lurking and catching up with mom : ) #eltchat |
| lauraahaha |
9:36 PM |
@antoniaclare Ha, yes, that can happen! But then we're still there to intervene if it all goes wrong! #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
9:36 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @SueAnnan @antoniaclare can we not train sts to give peer observation #eltchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:36 PM |
feedback from Ss:when I try a new act i always ask them if they liked it and do sth similar again, esp in 1-2-1#eltchat |
| lauraahaha |
9:36 PM |
Hear, hear! RT @Shaunwilden: @SueAnnan @antoniaclare can we not train sts to give peer observation #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:36 PM |
@antoniaclare I saw him explain in a session once. I like jing but I don't normally use it with sts, I do with trainees though #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:36 PM |
@lauraahaha I find they often correct things which are right, or replace with other mistakes! ;) #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:37 PM |
@SueAnnan That's tricky - need to deal with their expectations then #eltchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:37 PM |
@SueAnnan maybe u don't have sts long enough NOT to train them!!! isn't learner training key? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:37 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan @lauraahaha Yes, but we need to give them clear guidelines - they can be really mean! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:37 PM |
I don't have students long enough to train them #ELTchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:37 PM |
@Shaunwilden @SueAnnan @lauraahaha Yes, but we need to give them clear guidelines - they can be really mean! #eltchat |
| Noreen_Lam |
9:38 PM |
Works well 4 exam prep classes--listen 2each other spk then feedback on acc,fluency &org ideas @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan @antoniaclare #eltchat |
| lauraahaha |
9:38 PM |
@SueAnnan @antoniaclare: @Shaunwilden @lauraahaha Yes but sts need clear guidelines-they can be really mean!<Down to rapport again! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:38 PM |
@antoniaclare @SueAnnan @lauraahaha yes they tend to be more critical than us :-) #eltchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:38 PM |
@SueAnnan most of the times yes, that's why T has to explain when to give feedback and how, once they know, they're ok#eltchat |
| lauraahaha |
9:39 PM |
Definitely. Get inside head of examiner! RT @Noreen_Lam Works well 4 exam classes-listen 2each other spk then f/b on acc,fluencyetc #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:39 PM |
RT @ljp2010: re: more critical. True enough, sts can be quick to spot errors but find it hard to see what's good in their peers #ELTchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:39 PM |
Am late to #eltchat this week - anyone mentioned self-assessment checklists? Use them a lot.... |
| ljp2010 |
9:39 PM |
re: more critical. True enough, sts can be quick to spot errors but find it hard to see what's good in their peers #ELTchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:39 PM |
Sometimes I only focus on one type of error for a while (eg only pron or only delivery of interesting content) #eltchat |
| HuntingtonYork |
9:40 PM |
RT @missnoor28: 19 Word Cloud Resources, Tips, & Tools http://t.co/gMzBjniD by @ShellTerrell #edtech #edchat #ESL #EFL #ELTChat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:40 PM |
#eltchat need to dig out a link to Dylan William on Assessment for Learning |
| Shaunwilden |
9:40 PM |
@Noreen_Lam @SueAnnan @antoniaclare yes sts as examiners is a good idea #eltchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:40 PM |
@pysproblem81 for what kinds of tasks/skills? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:40 PM |
so It sounds like we all give feedback of some description #ELTchat What about debriefing ? |
| esolcourses |
9:40 PM |
RT @pysproblem81: Am late to #eltchat this week - anyone mentioned self-assessment checklists? Use them a lot.... ] like them myself, too |
| hartle |
9:41 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: Sometimes I only focus on one type of error for a while (eg only pron or only delivery of interesting content) #eltchat |
| lauraahaha |
9:41 PM |
Great! Focused¬ demotivating by overkill. RT @antoniaclare: Sometimes I only focus on 1 type of error for a while (eg only pron) #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:41 PM |
#eltchat I use Markin for feedback on written word, stds self correct then come to office hours to discuss with http://t.co/ovSMoRD0 |
| ljp2010 |
9:41 PM |
@SueAnnan can i have a definition pls? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:41 PM |
Does anyone have a link to good assessment checklists? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:41 PM |
Does anyone have a link to good assessment checklists? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:42 PM |
RT @hartle: #eltchat I use Markin 4 feedback on written wrd, stds self correct then come 2 office hrs 2 discuss w/ http://t.co/JEiSwjbE |
| sandymillin |
9:42 PM |
@antoniaclare I did this with a consequences-type written activity yesterday. Students got really into it. Put it on my blog #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:42 PM |
RT @ljp2010: @SueAnnan can i have a definition pls? #ELTchat would someone like to explain debriefing? |
| lauraahaha |
9:43 PM |
Link pls! :) RT @sandymillin @antoniaclare I did this with a consequences-type activity. Sts got really into it. Put it on my blog #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:43 PM |
@sandymillin What did you ask them to focus on? #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:44 PM |
'debrief' - asking sts lots of questions about their performance after a task? getting them to assess their performance? #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:44 PM |
@ljp2010 after a writing task - what tenses do you use, why? Any language you wanted to use.. Etc. Also good with Ss vids #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:44 PM |
@lauraahaha link is http://t.co/5NxN905Y no space for it in last tweet :) #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:45 PM |
@pysproblem81 thanks for that #eltchat #assessmentforlearning |
| pysproblem81 |
9:45 PM |
#eltchat Dylan Wiliam link is http://t.co/HsjdNSNh #assessmentforlearning |
| sandymillin |
9:45 PM |
@antoniaclare because they were an intermediate group with 'basic' q's like name, family, last holiday didn't focus on 1 spec thng #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:46 PM |
RT @hartle: #eltchat to see Markin at work follow this link to my blog and scroll down to week three housecorners. http://t.co/1Q5c0Gg6 |
| hartle |
9:46 PM |
#eltchat to see Markin at work follow this link to my blog and scroll down to week three housecorners. http://t.co/iG8oNLPY |
| antoniaclare |
9:46 PM |
If we give sts individual things to focus on (for personal progress), then can ask them for their impressions of how they did #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:46 PM |
Are there some lessons you would be more likely to debrief students? #eltchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:46 PM |
@antoniaclare "informing people about their experience or allowing them to talk about it" according to wikipedia #ELTchat |
| lauraahaha |
9:46 PM |
@sandymillin Looks good, thanks! Will read after #eltchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:47 PM |
at the end of the lesson I ask 'em if they enjoyed lesson,, what they liked didn't like specifically #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:47 PM |
RT @ljp2010: @antoniaclare "informing people about their experience or allowing them to talk about it" according to wikipedia #ELTchat Nice |
| pysproblem81 |
9:47 PM |
@SueAnnan yep, think FB is essential part of learning process #eltchat |
| lauraahaha |
9:48 PM |
This is exactly the kind of practical, clear, useful, flexible idea I love sharing! Thx @sandymillin http://t.co/tWsE3a11 #eltchat #efl #elt |
| ljp2010 |
9:48 PM |
@toulasklavou if a st doesn't like it do you stop doing it? or is it like vegetables i.e. shut up & eat them?! #ELTchat |
| CliveSir |
9:48 PM |
Could u use Linoit or wallwisher for FB? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:48 PM |
@toulasklavou they are evaluating you and the lesson content then? #eltchat |
| lauraahaha |
9:49 PM |
Good idea! F/b for T! RT @toulasklavou at end of the lesson I ask 'em if they enjoyed it, what they liked/didn't like specifically #eltchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:49 PM |
it's v.important to show that you take account Ss' opinions, v. engaging, enhances learning#eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:49 PM |
@CliveSir how would you use them? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:49 PM |
@ljp2010 LOL #ELTchat |
| lauraahaha |
9:50 PM |
@SueAnnan Mmm, not necessarily I don't think (unfortunately!) #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:50 PM |
RT @toulasklavou: at the end of the lesson I ask 'em if they enjoyed lesson,what they liked/didn't like specifically #eltchat me 2 at end wk |
| CliveSir |
9:50 PM |
@Shaunwilden Invite them to give comments after class. Put up a Q on Linoit to trigger discussion. #eltchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:50 PM |
@toulasklavou Agree, which is why am a big believer in making reasons for doing things explicit. #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:50 PM |
@lauraahaha Don't all teacher's do that ? #eltchat |
| english4u_lexi |
9:50 PM |
@antoniaclare gr8 idea. My first time here. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:51 PM |
@CliveSir an excellent idea will add it to a session i'm giving tomorrow #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:51 PM |
RT @CliveSir: @Shaunwilden Invite them to give comments after class. Put up a Q on Linoit to trigger discussion. #eltchat Nice idea |
| lauraahaha |
9:51 PM |
@SueAnnan Agreed! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:51 PM |
@lauraahaha then that is unfortunate and we should encourage it more #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:51 PM |
@english4u_lexi Welcome aboard ;) #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:51 PM |
RT @CliveSir: Could u use Linoit or wallwisher for FB? #ELTchat Definitely! But my Markin work followed written work on Linoit |
| Shaunwilden |
9:51 PM |
RT @CliveSir: @Shaunwilden Invite them to give comments after class. Put up a Q on Linoit to trigger discussion. #eltchat |
| Noreen_Lam |
9:52 PM |
@lauraahaha @sandymillin Sounds gr8! Easily adaptable & fun! #eltchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:52 PM |
@SueAnnan its good for T 2 know where she stands and Ss' feedback is v. important at points, though u can feel when sth works or not#eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:52 PM |
RT @toulasklavou: it's v.important to show that you take account Ss' opinions, v. engaging, enhances learning#eltchat |
| hartle |
9:53 PM |
RT @CliveSir: @Shaunwilden Invite them to give comments after class. Put up a Q on Linoit to trigger discussion. #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
9:53 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: RT @toulasklavou: it's v.important to show that you take account Ss' opinions, v. engaging, enhances learning#eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:53 PM |
RT @toulasklavou: its gd 4 T 2 know whr she stands & Ss' feedback is v. important at points, though u cn feel when sth works or not#eltchat |
| hartle |
9:53 PM |
RT @lauraahaha: ?..flexible idea I love sharing! Thx @sandymillin http://t.co/st8ONEKK #eltchat yes, that's a good one :-) thnx |
| lauraahaha |
9:53 PM |
Post-its make for fun f/b- note good lang/errors (1 per Post-it)&get sts up&moving round room at end of class to find&fix errors. #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:54 PM |
@lauraahaha LIke the post-it idea. Sounds like sth that could go on #infiniteeltideas post-it prompt ;) http://t.co/ioa6sxyG #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:54 PM |
@english4u_lexi welcome hope the twitter issues this evening don't put you off for the future #eltchat |
| CliveSir |
9:54 PM |
I'm a 'celtee' - am frustrated not having SS feedback to my teaching practice. Also give ss some writing ;) #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:54 PM |
I give a list of sentence starters for them to finish (This week I enjoyed.., I found xxx really hard, I'd like to work on ...) etc #eltchat |
| lauraahaha |
9:55 PM |
RT @sandymillin Some great ideas for Post-its on #infiniteeltideas http://t.co/FfkC3Aj3 #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:55 PM |
It sounds as though we are all members of the feedback and monitoring in class brigade #ELTchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:55 PM |
@antoniaclare v useful in needs analysis and syllabus evaluation #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:55 PM |
#eltchat get stds to write on noticeboard like Linoit thten comment on things they like, nice expressions, ideas etc. Discuss in class. |
| antoniaclare |
9:56 PM |
RT @toulasklavou: @antoniaclare v useful in needs analysis and syllabus evaluation #eltchat Yes, helps planning and sts like to be involved |
| ljp2010 |
9:56 PM |
@SueAnnan without these things, the st may as well sit at home with the coursebook! #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
9:56 PM |
RT @hartle: RT @antoniaclare: I give a list of sentence starters for them to finish (This week I enjoyed.., etc #eltchat Nice one |
| hartle |
9:56 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: I give a list of sentence starters for them to finish (This week I enjoyed.., etc #eltchat Nice one |
| Shaunwilden |
9:56 PM |
@sandymillin @lauraahaha and can also be done via wallwisher For an out of class extension#eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:57 PM |
I give feedback on the FRiday to see if monday needs have been achieved #ELTchat |
| antoniaclare |
9:57 PM |
RT @ljp2010: @SueAnnan without these things, the st may as well sit at home with the coursebook! #ELTchat Good point ;) |
| Noreen_Lam |
9:57 PM |
@sandymillin @lauraahaha Rather than post-its we were shown hawaiian skirts & ss in grps race &correct strips they tear off #eltchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:57 PM |
@ljp2010 @SueAnnan culdn't agree with u more#eltchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:58 PM |
@Noreen_Lam we have posters here so as you tear off the strips they really different underwear :P sts love it! #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
9:58 PM |
@Noreen_Lam like that too! never knew what to call those strips of paper before - Hawaiian skirts makes perfect sense :) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:58 PM |
thanks to @SueAnnan for looking after #eltchat tonight sorry I had connection issues. |
| lauraahaha |
9:58 PM |
@Noreen_Lam Yeah that's a good one too, but harder to prepare on-the-go during a lesson! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:59 PM |
@hartle once a day #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:59 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: I give feedback on the FRiday to see if monday needs have been achieved #ELTchat how often do you see them everybweek? |
| ljp2010 |
9:59 PM |
@Noreen_Lam doh - reveal- #ELTchat |
| hartle |
10:00 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: thanks to @SueAnnan ...sorry I had connection issues. #eltchat. Is that an intentional pun? (since you're on the train) |
| CliveSir |
10:00 PM |
#eltchat I used Linoit once with Sri Lankan teachers: http://t.co/Ry7vySfX how to bring fun to class. |
| lauraahaha |
10:00 PM |
HA! Great! RT @ljp2010 @Noreen_Lam we have posters here so as you tear off the strips they really different underwear-sts love it! #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
10:00 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Anyone want to do the summary #eltchat? |
| english4u_lexi |
10:00 PM |
@Shaunwilden knew it was Wed but not sure what time. So far so good :-) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
10:00 PM |
Anyone want to do the summary #eltchat? |
| hartle |
10:01 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @hartle once a day #ELTchat oh, that's really gd. I see mine once or twice a week |
| SueAnnan |
10:01 PM |
Any takers for the summary, please? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
10:01 PM |
RT @mcneilmahon: Have I just missed an #eltchat on giving and getting feedback? Gutted? Can't wait for the summary... |
| mcneilmahon |
10:01 PM |
Have I just missed an #eltchat on giving and getting feedback? Gutted? Can't wait for the summary... |
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