| username |
time |
status |
| Marisa_C |
9:01 PM |
Hello everyone and welcome to #ELTchat @Shaunwilden and moi your moderators talking about exam classes this eve |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:02 PM |
Hi all have finally managed to join #eltchat again! |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:02 PM |
#eltchat Yay! very relevant chat topic for me tonight. |
| hartle |
9:03 PM |
RT @naomishema: #eltchat Hi all! I'll lurk a bit. Has been a LONG day... Hi Naomi, what's been happening? |
| Shaunwilden |
9:03 PM |
Not a good start me tweetdeck froze! #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:03 PM |
#ELTchat Hi everyone |
| SueAnnan |
9:04 PM |
#ELTchat wots the subject? |
| Marisa_C |
9:04 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Nice to see some familiar faces re joining us this evening #ELTchat @hartle @vbenevolofranca@leoselivan Welcome! |
| hartle |
9:04 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Nice to see some familiar faces re joining us this evening #ELTchat Nice to see you too Shaun |
| Shaunwilden |
9:04 PM |
Nice to see some familiar faces re joining us this evening #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:05 PM |
@SueAnnan te hee he he i thought so - I was HOPING you would #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:05 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: Nice to see some familiar faces re joining us this evening #ELTchat Nice to see you too Marisa |
| SueAnnan |
9:05 PM |
@Marisa_C yes. I'll bite #ELTchat |
| vickyloras |
9:05 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: The 21.00 #eltchat topic - Differences in approaches between regular classes and those with an exam focus (FCE, CPE, IELTS...) |
| Marisa_C |
9:05 PM |
@SueAnnan exam classes - can we interest you? #ELTchat |
| vickyloras |
9:06 PM |
#ELTChat Interesting topic, as always! Whoop : ) |
| Marisa_C |
9:06 PM |
So let's get started - do you teach exam classes in a different way to your other classes ? #ELTchat share your experiences pls |
| ljp2010 |
9:06 PM |
I usually get a CAE or CPe course each year#ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:06 PM |
@Marisa_C @SueAnnan Go on then Sue, tell us about exam classes #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:06 PM |
got a couple on the go at the moment #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:07 PM |
#eltchat about to start a CPE course as well as uni exam prep courses all the time |
| Marisa_C |
9:07 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Apart from exam skills, what is actually different? #ELTchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:07 PM |
@Marisa_C I worry I focus too much on exam skills rather than general English, especially nearer the exam. Am I a bad person? #eltchat |
| leoselivan |
9:07 PM |
unfortunately yes, differently cause of ss' expectations and usually short lengths of such courses #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:07 PM |
I think the focus is more on covering the syllabus #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:07 PM |
Apart from exam skills, what is actually different? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:07 PM |
Doing a PET and BEC vantage this time#ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:07 PM |
@vickyloras hya there miss whoop whoop #ELTChat |
| hartle |
9:07 PM |
#eltchat good topic for me. I've just started a Scoop.it called Testing Times http://t.co/f0JlzRLX |
| Shaunwilden |
9:08 PM |
@TailormadeEng staying in their job, getting into uni, career propects etc etc #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:08 PM |
RT @TailormadeEng: @Marisa_C I worry I focus too much on exam skills ...Am I a bad person? #eltchat no, yuo're a caring teacher |
| vickyloras |
9:08 PM |
@Marisa_C Exam classes tend to focus on test format too,but I try to keep both as communicative as poss,bc that's what they'll need #ELTChat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:08 PM |
RT @TailormadeEng: What motivates exam Ss? I mean in a braoder context than just the exam #eltchat > good point! |
| Marisa_C |
9:08 PM |
@TailormadeEng he he I don't know - depends how MUCH you leave out other stuff #eltchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:08 PM |
What motivates exam Ss? I mean in a braoder context than just the exam #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:08 PM |
#eltchat Yes, raising awareness to how the papers try to mislead participants. |
| ljp2010 |
9:08 PM |
aside from a bit of technique + strategy work... not much!!! #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:09 PM |
#ELTchat I try to provide lots of back up material on blog/wiki &get stds interested in projects too |
| SueAnnan |
9:09 PM |
I think the time can be an issue and students expectations are not always realistic #ELTchat |
| vickyloras |
9:09 PM |
@Marisa_C Hello agapi mou : ) #ELTChat |
| ljp2010 |
9:09 PM |
I think a common prob is constant testing + not enough teaching as you would in a non exam class #ELTchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:09 PM |
Think that there is a v clear difference: learner objective is quite explicit, this changes our approach #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:09 PM |
RT @ManosSY: #eltchat hi everyone, yes for the first 2-3 months we do, no emphasis on exam material whatsoever > cool |
| Marisa_C |
9:10 PM |
RT @vbenevolofranca: Think that there is a v clear difference: learner objective is quite explicit, this changes our approach #eltchat >How? |
| leoselivan |
9:10 PM |
RT @vbenevolofranca: Think that there is a v clear difference: learner objective is quite explicit, this changes our approach #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:10 PM |
RT @TailormadeEng: @ljp2010 You've just described my own exam classes to a 't' : ) #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:10 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @TailormadeEng No i often wonder if we tchrs make too a big a deal out of them thus making them different? #ELTchat |
| maizie |
9:10 PM |
@maizie my5th grade class has a state exam in less than 2months #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:10 PM |
@TailormadeEng studying abroad at university etc or migrating, I think you need an IEFLT's 5 or something for Britain now? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:10 PM |
@TailormadeEng No i often wonder if we tchrs make too a big a deal out of them thus making them different? #ELTchat |
| reasons4 |
9:10 PM |
RT @ljp2010: I think a common prob is constant testing + not enough teaching as you would in a non exam class #ELTchat > ez trap 2 fall in |
| Marisa_C |
9:11 PM |
@ljp2010 Isn't constant testing an admin decision? Does ur school encourage it ? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:11 PM |
I don't think we need to change our approach but we are less free with the material and themes #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:11 PM |
RT @reasons4: RT @ljp2010: I think a common prob is constant testing #ELTchat > yes and exam practice reassuring: comfort zone #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:12 PM |
I have seen that exam ss need to be more explicitly told the relevance of activities to exam goals - some don't see it #ELtchat |
| hartle |
9:12 PM |
#ELTchat exam preparation involves awareness of exam strategies and proctice but also a focus on general language skills too |
| SueAnnan |
9:12 PM |
I don't do any testing until near the end of the course. No point demoralising people #ELTchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:12 PM |
@SueAnnan Not necessarily less free, as long as we have the time to put into planning - I don't! :) #eltchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:12 PM |
@Marisa_C but the format of the books is such that there are a lot of exam exercises. Sometimes tchers r lazy... :P#ELTchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:12 PM |
@SueAnnan Too right, & actually think this needs to be made clear to sts so we work collaboratively to focus on their needs #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:12 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: I don't think we need to change our approach but we are less free with the material and themes #ELTchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:13 PM |
@SueAnnan what about seeing progress and improvements in scores which can be motivating? #eltchat |
| vickyloras |
9:13 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: I have seen that exam ss need to be more explicitly told the relevance of activities to exam goals - some don't see it #ELtchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:13 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @MrChrisJWilson pretty dire material most of the time ...:-( #eltchat Yes I agree |
| TailormadeEng |
9:13 PM |
@Marisa_C Sounds like a good strategy #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:13 PM |
RT @TailormadeEng: @hartle depends on what the 'backwash' of the exam is like though #eltchat for instance? |
| ljp2010 |
9:13 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson would def agree #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:13 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson pretty dire material most of the time ...:-( #eltchat |
| reasons4 |
9:13 PM |
RT @hartle: #ELTchat exam prepinvolves awareness of exam strategies and proctice but also a focus on general language skills too > agree |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:13 PM |
@Marisa_C @ljp2010 I think the books we use (FCE/CAE/PET result) encourage constant testing [or much more than GE books] #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:13 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: I don't do any testing until near the end of the course. No point demoralising people #ELTchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:13 PM |
@hartle depends on what the 'backwash' of the exam is like though #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:14 PM |
@Marisa_C Do you know any better books resources I could recommend to our DOS? #eltchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:14 PM |
@hartle eg I don't think Cambridge main suite prepares Ss as well to give their best performance as Trinity GESE/ISE #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:14 PM |
#ELTchat stds need to know they're working for exans but also on their own needs |
| Shaunwilden |
9:14 PM |
@hartle Why? They often have some good texts #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:14 PM |
RT @hartle: #ELTchat exam preparation involves awareness of exam strategies and proctice but also a focus on general language skills too |
| ljp2010 |
9:14 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson But is that improvement consistent or is it a test by test basis? i.e. hit and miss?#ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:14 PM |
@hartle me too - with a passion > it takes more time to adapt them and make them teachable #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:14 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson Have never found it motivating really #eltchat |
| leoselivan |
9:14 PM |
@SueAnnan I usually hit them with the test first thing #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:14 PM |
“@SueAnnan: I don't do any testing until near the end of the course. #ELTchat” > but practicing the exam situation helps learn about time |
| TailormadeEng |
9:14 PM |
@hartle some exams require a good level of Eng but others require more knowledge of specific strategies #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:14 PM |
#ELTchat I hate exam preparation coursebooks |
| SueAnnan |
9:14 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: ive seen that exam ss need 2 B more explicitly told the relevance of activities 2 exam goals - sum dont C it #ELtchat |
| reasons4 |
9:15 PM |
#eltchat preparing to do an exam is like preparing to run a marathon. you don't train to run a marathon by running marathons (so I 'm told) |
| ljp2010 |
9:15 PM |
agree with shaun that texts are often quite interesting but need to lift them off the page + bring them to life! #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:15 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @MrChrisJWilson we don't use exam practice mats - we make our own materials #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:15 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson we don't use exam practice mats - we make our own materials #eltchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:15 PM |
@Marisa_C Even though we may have 15 sts in class, I find I often need to pay far more attention to individual learner production..#eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:16 PM |
@vbenevolofranca true - lots of indiv attention needed #eltchat |
| vickyloras |
9:16 PM |
I think that they need to practise the exam format to work with the time they are allotted #ELTChat |
| ljp2010 |
9:16 PM |
@reasons4 i like the analogy :-) #ELTchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:16 PM |
RT @reasons4: #eltchat preparing to do an exam is like preparing to run a marathon. you don't train to run a marathon by running marathons (so I 'm told) |
| hartle |
9:16 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @hartle Why? #ELTchat the coherence is always exams related and not content related, prob. 4 me #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:16 PM |
RT @reasons4: #eltchat preparing 2 do an exam is lk preparing 2 run a marathon. U dont train 2 run a marathon by running marathons |
| Shaunwilden |
9:16 PM |
@vbenevolofranca You mean in the class, if so how do you do that? #ELTchat |
| chiasuan |
9:17 PM |
Many exams have very idiosyncratic formats tht require specific strategies tht if not known cld result in a proficient spkr failin. #eltchat |
| leoselivan |
9:17 PM |
I as I recently said commenting on someone's blog post - Ss in exam prep course often look for 3 Ts guess which ones? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:17 PM |
@hartle Yes agreed but like any cbk its up to tchr to make best of it #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:17 PM |
RT @vickyloras: I think that they need to practise the exam format to work with the time they are allotted #ELTChat > yes timed practice |
| hartle |
9:17 PM |
RT @TailormadeEng: @hartle eg I don't think Cambridge... #eltchat I don't really know Trinity that well, but Camb doesn't really prepare... |
| SueAnnan |
9:18 PM |
@Marisa_C No. If you can cover the syllabus, there's no reason for it being dull #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:18 PM |
@reasons4 Nah its too good for it to be made up by you ;-) #ELTchat |
| vickyloras |
9:18 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @hartle Yes agreed but like any cbk its up to tchr to make best of it #ELTchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:18 PM |
Topics in some exams irrelevant to some Ss, using interesting topics in class might not help? Think eg 'History of stamps' in CAE #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:18 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @hartle ...its up to tchr to make best of it #ELTchat Of course, but it cd be so much better |
| Marisa_C |
9:18 PM |
Do you find that there isn't enough room for creative teaching or fun/motivating activities in an exam class? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:18 PM |
@vickyloras you can do timed activities for homework. That's quite good fun, beating yourself #ELTChat |
| theteacherjames |
9:18 PM |
RT @reasons4: #eltchat preparing to do an exam is like preparing to run a marathon. you don't train to run a marathon by running marathons (so I 'm told) |
| reasons4 |
9:18 PM |
RT @ljp2010: i like the analogy :-) #ELTchat thanks it helped me pass my DELTA that analogy moons ago, sure I didn't make it up though |
| leoselivan |
9:19 PM |
RT @chiasuan: Many exams have very idiosyncratic formats tht require specific strategies tht if not known cld result in a proficient spkr failin. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:19 PM |
@Marisa_C @vickyloras The student shouldn't experience any surprises in their test Should have practiced every element before. #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:19 PM |
@reasons4 That's me :-) #ELTchat |
| vickyloras |
9:19 PM |
RT @chiasuan: Sometimes, I feel like I'm not really teaching exam students English, but more exam tricks and ways to avoid traps in questions. #eltchat |
| chiasuan |
9:19 PM |
@Marisa_C Yes, absolutely. I try to make my exam classes fun and I do lots of recycling activities tht I do in GE classes. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:19 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Do you find there isn't enough room for creative teaching or motivating activities in an exam class? #eltchat Dont see y not |
| vickyloras |
9:19 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @vickyloras you can do timed activities for homework. That's quite good fun, beating yourself #ELTChat |
| reasons4 |
9:19 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @reasons4 Nah its too good for it to be made up by you ;-) #ELTchat charmin' |
| Marisa_C |
9:19 PM |
@TailormadeEng yeah... sounds a bit like the secret life of tarantulas #eltchat |
| chiasuan |
9:19 PM |
Sometimes, I feel like I'm not really teaching exam students English, but more exam tricks and ways to avoid traps in questions. #eltchat |
| chiasuan |
9:20 PM |
One big difference for me as a teacher is that I work a lot more with writing (esp Academic writing) in exam classes than GE. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:20 PM |
@vickyloras I teach adults #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
9:20 PM |
@theteacherjames True - test familiarisation important #ELTChat |
| SueAnnan |
9:20 PM |
@theteacherjames I agree but that doesn't have to equate to testing #ELTChat |
| vickyloras |
9:20 PM |
@SueAnnan Agreed - but some have terrible homework habits : ) #ELTChat |
| hartle |
9:20 PM |
#eltchat stds focus on exam but exam is only testing language competence, not teaching. Learning needs fostering too & can be st. centred |
| naomishema |
9:20 PM |
RT @chiasuan: Many exams have very idiosyncratic formats tht require specific strategies tht if not known cld result in a proficient spkr failin. #eltchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:20 PM |
@Shaunwilden Setting up collaborative group work task which allows me to draw out student as others on task - a bit like school. #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:20 PM |
@chiasuan Those traps can be really difficult for some students #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:21 PM |
Do you ever get ss to design own test items nearer to the exam? #eltchat |
| vickyloras |
9:21 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @theteacherjames True - test familiarisation important #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:21 PM |
RT @hartle: #ELTchat some stds think they just have to pracitise exams again and again and again, then wonder why they don't pass! |
| hartle |
9:21 PM |
#ELTchat some stds think they just have to pracitise exams again and again and again, then wonder why they don't pass! |
| naomishema |
9:21 PM |
RT @ljp2010: there's nothing wrong with a bit of chat, a song here and there, creating exam exercises for each other based on personal interest #ELTchat |
| ChristosPas |
9:21 PM |
Been working with exam classes for years.Most difficult part is to make them interesting and not just practice,practice and routine #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:21 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson @chiasuan Getting sts to design their own tasks is a good way to train them for the traps #ELTchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:21 PM |
there's nothing wrong with a bit of chat, a song here and there, creating exam exercises for each other based on personal interest #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:22 PM |
RT @reasons4: RT @Marisa_C: Do you ever get ss to design own test items? #eltchat >yes works well |
| ChristosPas |
9:22 PM |
@Marisa_C of course there is! what is needed is balance between the two and good organization #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:22 PM |
RT @chiasuan: One big difference for me as a teacher is that I work a lot with writing ...#eltchat Me too but work can still be st centred |
| Marisa_C |
9:22 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C Not just nearer #ELTchat > :-) |
| reasons4 |
9:22 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Do you ever get ss to design own test items? #eltchat >yes always tryign to encourage them to think like examiner |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:22 PM |
@Shaunwilden @chiasuan started doing this more, seams to make it interesting, especially 4 teenage boys, catching each other out #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:22 PM |
@SueAnnan great minds #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:22 PM |
@Marisa_C Not just nearer #ELTchat |
| leoselivan |
9:22 PM |
anyway 3Ts I was referring to earlier are Techniques, Tips & Tricks - that's what most exam prep ss expect #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:22 PM |
get students to choose a text and use an online cloze maker to teach them what is possible #ELTchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:22 PM |
e.g. for writing. change the task so they are writing to a real person & might actually get a response = motivation #ELTchat |
| vickyloras |
9:23 PM |
@SueAnnan #ELTChat Me too - sometimes they have the worst habits ; ) |
| ljp2010 |
9:23 PM |
#ELTchat @shaznosel enough to satisfy sts & parents! |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:23 PM |
@Shaunwilden who knows what other letters will come up later #herebedragons? #eltchat |
| maizie |
9:23 PM |
@leoselivan @chiasuan totally agree #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:23 PM |
Evening all! #ELTCHAT Exam classes - teach according to needs. How much of the CB do we use?? |
| chiasuan |
9:23 PM |
@Shaunwilden @MrChrisJWilson I like that, Shaun! Getting students to design their own tasks and tests for each other! #eltchat |
| vickyloras |
9:23 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: get students to choose a text and use an online cloze maker to teach them what is possible #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:23 PM |
@SueAnnan Absolutely, I break the test down into chunks, practice individual elements in isolation. #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:23 PM |
So eralier today we had the 4c s and now the 3ts ;-) #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
9:23 PM |
RT @ChristosPas: @Marisa_C of course there is! what is needed is balance between the two and good organization #eltchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:23 PM |
@Marisa_C @theteacherjames Hi dear eltchatters! Agree, it reduces stress &strenghtens confidence#eltchat |
| ChristosPas |
9:24 PM |
@reasons4 @Marisa_C I do that with writing. Help them think the criteria when it comes to correcting a piece of writing #eltchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:24 PM |
RT @chiasuan:1 big difference for me is that I work a lot more with writing (esp Academic writing) in exam classes than GE. #eltchat>agree |
| chiasuan |
9:24 PM |
@hartle Don't say 'fall down'. I teach exam classes often using a Dogme approach. No shame in ditching the course book. ; ) #eltchat |
| leoselivan |
9:24 PM |
@Shaunwilden evidently :) what are 4Cs? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:24 PM |
@chiasuan Hi Chia #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:24 PM |
You can still use the test practice materials in more interesting ways and no parent will know the difference #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:24 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson Ssh almost thru two #ELTchat s |
| chiasuan |
9:24 PM |
@SueAnnan Excellent! It is said that Cloze Passages are one of the best ways of getting sts to be aware of how language works. #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:24 PM |
#ELTchat I always set out with gd intentions abt using coursebooks and then fall down at the first post. |
| shaznosel |
9:25 PM |
@Marisa_C @theteacherjames 1st lesson shud be test format guide and tchrs shud know it by heart.then refer to it to reassure ss #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:25 PM |
RT @chiasuan: Sometimes, I feel like I'm not really teaching exam students English, but more exam tricks and ways to avoid traps in questions. #eltchat |
| cybraryman1 |
9:25 PM |
Students need to be shown Study Skills http://t.co/YtdhSjRA & Test Prep skills http://t.co/KvqnPDIA #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:25 PM |
#ELTchat if U use practice tests (clozes, multiple choice) U cn expand them to do normal skills work, discussions, vocab development too |
| toulasklavou |
9:25 PM |
@shaznosel Hi Shaz!CB important 2 cover syllabus, unless they've covered material needed 4 exam#eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:25 PM |
@leoselivan Critical thinking and problem solving, Communication, Collaboration, and Creativity #eltchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:25 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: get students to choose a text and use an online cloze maker #ELTchat will it select the right kind of gaps though? |
| naomishema |
9:25 PM |
Good night all! My school schedule and #eltchat don't sync this year - can't stay awake! maybe next week... |
| theteacherjames |
9:25 PM |
@GilbertoUV It is working on the format, but in smaller, isolated sections . #eltchat |
| chiasuan |
9:25 PM |
@vbenevolofranca My GE students here in London tend to want more speaking than writing...that's where my exam classes differ. #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:25 PM |
#eltchat oh another one I tried I got students to make their own questions and then compare with the actual ones. |
| Room2Chris |
9:25 PM |
RT @chiasuan: Sometimes, I feel like I'm not really teaching exam students English, but more exam tricks and ways to avoid traps in questions. #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:25 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: You can still use the test practice materials in more interesting ways and no parent will know the difference #eltchat Yes |
| chiasuan |
9:26 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @leoselivan Critical thinking and problem solving, Communication, Collaboration, and Creativity #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:26 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Speaking of cloze tests, here's a handy online maker of them http://t.co/2jOF3Obw #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:26 PM |
Speaking of cloze tests, here's a handy online maker of them http://t.co/oEdWRoNd #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
9:26 PM |
RT @hartle:#ELTchat if U use practice tests (clozes, multiple choice) U cn expand them to do skills work, discussions, vocab development too |
| Deirdre_Mulcahy |
9:26 PM |
#eltchat Exam classes are great for testing knowledge of the language, but do they help SS improve communicative competence? |
| hartle |
9:26 PM |
RT @chiasuan: @hartle Don't say 'fall down'. ... No shame in ditching the course book. ; ) #eltchat :-) :-) |
| Marisa_C |
9:26 PM |
Reading & listening challenges for extra independent work -giv list of exam topics and have Ss find extra stuff to do in own time#Eltchat e |
| maizie |
9:27 PM |
@Marisa_C yes I try but i feel pressured and don't let myself go with the flow as I do in my other classes #eltchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:27 PM |
Much of the exam material can be used in games, competitions, etc but practise timing is also important#eltchat |
| chiasuan |
9:27 PM |
@vbenevolofranca Well, I suppose it depends on whether these sts will actually be needing to write academically in their lives. #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:27 PM |
RT @naomishema: Good night all! My school schedule and #eltchat don't sync ... Night, Naomi...OOps think we just had another earthquake! |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:27 PM |
#eltchat I've got a big personal question. What do/would you do for syllabi that have both GE and Test English interspersed |
| leoselivan |
9:27 PM |
@Shaunwilden oh yes right! I've heard that #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
9:27 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: Speaking of cloze tests, here's a handy online maker of them http://t.co/qtGmXio4 #eltchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:27 PM |
@chiasuan Think it's the same here in Brazil. In fact, it's something our sts need a lot of work on. #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:27 PM |
@toulasklavou guess the first few wks will be CB then attend to ss needs and exam prac #eltchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:27 PM |
@Marisa_C Like this? http://t.co/A220HBWi : ) #eltchat |
| kmb211 |
9:27 PM |
RT @cybraryman1: Students need to be shown Study Skills http://t.co/YtdhSjRA & Test Prep skills http://t.co/KvqnPDIA #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:28 PM |
RT @shaznosel: @Marisa_C @theteacherjames 1st lesson shud be test format guide... #eltchat Yes, and give exam practice online 4 stds |
| Shaunwilden |
9:28 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson Teach the GE and do the test practice as necessary? #eltchat |
| chiasuan |
9:28 PM |
One thing that irritates me:Genres in exam writing that wld be useless in real life! Writing brochures? Book reviews? Ads? Letters? #eltchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:28 PM |
@SueAnnan I feel your pain! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:28 PM |
@TailormadeEng A good one will offer options #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:28 PM |
@hgalani true and exams HAVE impoved in terms of authenticity of tasks included #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:28 PM |
@Marisa_C Getting students to make their own questions is a great way of familiarising them with the expected format of the test. #eltchat |
| Room2Chris |
9:28 PM |
“@Shaunwilden: Speaking of cloze tests, here's a handy online maker of them http://t.co/8RGqt8QQ #eltchat” this is great, thank you |
| SueAnnan |
9:28 PM |
Ditched CB. Have businessman with 8 weeks to pass exam at B2 level when he is elem. Book useless!#ELTchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:28 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson Teach it, probably : )#eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:28 PM |
@TailormadeEng you mean in a wiki ? whatever suits the school / T #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:28 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat I've got a big personal question. What do/would you do for syllabi that have both GE and Test English interspersed |
| ginkiy |
9:28 PM |
RT @cybraryman1: Students need to be shown Study Skills http://t.co/YtdhSjRA & Test Prep skills http://t.co/KvqnPDIA #eltchat |
| Room2Chris |
9:28 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Speaking of cloze tests, here's a handy online maker of them http://t.co/oEdWRoNd #eltchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
9:29 PM |
Yet something else I always ensure is that students read a gr8 deal - different genres.Much easier today with www #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:29 PM |
@Shaunwilden Currently my approach. Students seam okay with it mostly teenagers though so motivation is an issue. #eltchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:29 PM |
@shaznosel that's sounds almost perfect#eltchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:29 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @TailormadeEng A good one will offer options #ELTchat>nice! |
| hartle |
9:29 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Speaking of cloze tests, here's a handy online maker of them http://t.co/7Q2t9X9x #eltchat Nice one |
| Marisa_C |
9:29 PM |
Make an exam guide booklet for your ss - how to be successful in exams - include any tips, tricks in there - get them to add stuff #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:29 PM |
@TailormadeEng thanks for sympathy #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
9:29 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C Getting students to make their own questions is a great way of familiarising them with the expected format of the test. #eltchat |
| blairteacher |
9:29 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden Speaking of cloze tests, here's a handy online maker of them http://t.co/T0r1I3r1 #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:29 PM |
@chiasuan What you havent written any brochures of late? #eltchat :-) |
| SueAnnan |
9:29 PM |
@chiasuan with you on that :-) #eltchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:29 PM |
@esolcourses @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden Just seen it, fantastic!!#eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:29 PM |
@hartle @chiasuan Yes CB can be ditched but parents and ss then don't trust you?? I just say I m extending their GE!!#ELTCHAT |
| ChristosPas |
9:29 PM |
@Deirdre_Mulcahy why not? you can test their knowledge through communicative activities #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:30 PM |
@Shaunwilden hahah #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:30 PM |
@Marisa_C @chiasuan See Chia there is a use for the brochure genre afterall #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
9:30 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Make an exam guide booklet for your ss - how to be successful in exams - include any tips, tricks in there - get them to add stuff #eltchat |
| vickyloras |
9:30 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: Ditched CB. Have businessman with 8 weeks to pass exam at B2 level when he is elem. Book useless!#ELTchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:30 PM |
@chiasuan Competition entries? What are they, anyway?? #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:30 PM |
@hartle @Marisa_C @theteacherjames agree - exm prac is waste of tchg time - homework for sure #eltchat |
| leoselivan |
9:30 PM |
I included a strong vocab component even into short 5 week IELTS prep courses I used to teach #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:31 PM |
RT @toulasklavou: Much of the exam material can be used in games, competitions, etc but practise timing is also important#eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:31 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson With the test part? Couldnt you get them creating the testy bit themselves for each other? #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:31 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat ... Provide motivating content around exams strategies and extra work online http://t.co/YFhB5CRE |
| Marisa_C |
9:31 PM |
I usually give them a half completed guide and get them to finish it "for the next lot" #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:31 PM |
@Marisa_C Great idea - exam tips are so important too - show u care, u know what you're talking abt and useful! #eltchat |
| chiasuan |
9:31 PM |
@Shaunwilden Yeah...wrote a bunch of brochures, flyers, information sheets, posters, & reports... for FCE! ; ) #eltchat |
| aab56 |
9:32 PM |
RT @english247: Vocabulary for completing job application forms – matching quiz http://t.co/Nzmia2m4 #eltchat #esol #esl #elt #twinglish |
| hartle |
9:32 PM |
RT @chiasuan: One thing that irritates me:Genres in exam writing that wld be useless in real life! #eltchat Absolutely! |
| toulasklavou |
9:32 PM |
@chiasuan Agree!i'm often asked why they need these, not all real-life tasks ¬ all Ss will be writers or adertisers#eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:32 PM |
@chiasuan Surely you're better than FCE level by now :-) #eltchat |
| Deirdre_Mulcahy |
9:32 PM |
#eltchat Prescriptive versus descriptive. Standard versus vernacular. Exam classes versus general classes. is there a line?? |
| chiasuan |
9:33 PM |
@Shaunwilden No...got stuck with writing flyers... just can't get it right... advertising company says I'm not gd enuf to pass. #eltchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:33 PM |
@hartle Particularly like when sts have to write and email with pen and paper - do that all the time!!! :P #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:33 PM |
RT @shaznosel: @hartle @chiasuan Yes CB can be ditched...#ELTCHAT I feel guilty though if they've bought an expensive book |
| Marisa_C |
9:33 PM |
@chiasuan shame shame #eltchat :-) |
| shaznosel |
9:33 PM |
@SueAnnan EXACTLY!CB is for years of lessons...relate to his needs and focus on them! Jigsaw parts of the exam around this..#eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:33 PM |
RT @chiasuan: did a Devil's Advocate interview with @phil3wade about exams & testing 2 weeks ago... http://t.co/pAjN7NgQ #eltchat |
| AliciaDiscepola |
9:34 PM |
RT @cybraryman1: Students need to be shown Study Skills http://t.co/YtdhSjRA & Test Prep skills http://t.co/KvqnPDIA #eltchat |
| pavlamilerski |
9:34 PM |
@Shaunwilden ss made their own transformations based on the CB example, great motivator and challenging grammar practised #eltchat |
| Deirdre_Mulcahy |
9:34 PM |
@chiasuan I totally agree. Aspects of exams are aged and not relevant to real life #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:34 PM |
RT @ljp2010: @hartle Particularly like when sts have to write and email with pen and paper - do that all the time!!! :P #ELTchat |
| vickyloras |
9:34 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @chiasuan: did a Devil's Advocate interview with @phil3wade about exams & testing 2 weeks ago... http://t.co/pAjN7NgQ #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:34 PM |
@shaznosel absolutely agree #eltchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:35 PM |
@Marisa_C sounds very interesting. i want to work with wikis a lot more this year with sts #ELTchat |
| leoselivan |
9:35 PM |
good night #eltchat - IELTS tomorrow |
| Shaunwilden |
9:35 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson Is there not a case of using a wiki and the online tools for them to the testing? #eltchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:35 PM |
@Deirdre_Mulcahy important 2 have a line, 2 know how far u cn go, the lang is the same but not the objectives you set 4 each course#eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:35 PM |
@hartle @chiasuan LIKE! Im finding Camb Prof so inpratical for my ss future needs...- real life exam topics plse!#eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:35 PM |
Pity @AlexandraKouk not here - she could talk about the wiki work she does with our exam students #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:35 PM |
@Shaunwilden Have done some before set during class make own comp questions, create transformations, etc seams better for sure. #eltchat |
| chiasuan |
9:36 PM |
Fact I'm trying 2 make (which I know is obvious by now but i need to say it) is even NS wouldn't be asked 2 write brochures/flyers! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:36 PM |
@ljp2010 Good you can sort one out on otti :-) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:36 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: My students love flo-joe on FB #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:36 PM |
#ELTchat did a phrasal verb challend in a CAE course where they all wrote gapped sentences for one verb and posted them, did activity |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:36 PM |
@Shaunwilden Probably...I would need to become wiki aware first! Now if only there was an #eltchat on that theme! ;) |
| Marisa_C |
9:36 PM |
@chiasuan really? missed that one ! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:36 PM |
My students love flo-joe on FB #ELTchat |
| vickyloras |
9:36 PM |
Sorry guys,gotta go - 1st lesson 07:30 am : ( #ELTChat |
| chiasuan |
9:36 PM |
@Marisa_C Shame about me not passing the flyer-writing criteria for FCE? ; ) #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:36 PM |
RT @ljp2010: @hartle Particularly like when sts have to write and email with pen and paper #ELTchat and real emails even better? |
| Deirdre_Mulcahy |
9:37 PM |
@toulasklavou is the language the same though? I agree there is a standard english but what about the variety of dialects? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:37 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson I think if you check the transcripts ......;-) #eltchat Actually there is a talk on them at the YL conf I think #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:37 PM |
@Marisa_C @SueAnnan I love flo-joe #eltchat |
| chiasuan |
9:37 PM |
@Room2Chris @vickyloras The majority of the reading texts in the Cambridge main suites and IELTS are hardly interesting though... #eltchat |
| NazNabeeh |
9:37 PM |
RT @chiasuan: One thing that irritates me:Genres in exam writing that wld be useless in real life! Writing brochures? Book reviews? Ads? Letters? #eltchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:38 PM |
@chiasuan Not trying to advertise, but in Trinity exams Ss choose their own topics to talk/write about. Cutting edge exams #eltchat |
| chiasuan |
9:38 PM |
Okay, I'm dissing Cambridge Main Suite for being irrelevant and IELTS 4 being boring but don't get me started on TOEIC!!! Grrrr... #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:38 PM |
@hartle @ljp2010 So true..where is the motivation there?/#eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:38 PM |
hath ab@MrChrisJWilson brilliant exam practice website. Posts a little task each week #ELTchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:38 PM |
@Deirdre_Mulcahy Don't see much Aussie Eng on the Cambridge exams I teach #ELTchat |
| Room2Chris |
9:38 PM |
I get my ss to listen/ record themselves talking more in exam classes, they then reflect on their performance #ELTchat |
| reasons4 |
9:38 PM |
RT @chiasuan: Fact I'm trying 2 make is even NS wouldn't be asked 2 write brochures/flyers! #eltchat I make brochures and flyers |
| Marisa_C |
9:38 PM |
RT @teacherdude: @Marisa_C @SueA nnan Here are some tips on preparing students for FCE/CAE/ CPE interviews http://t.co/fKN3iY7G #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:38 PM |
RT @shaznosel: @Marisa_C @SueAnnan I love flo-joe #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:38 PM |
#ELTchat they used the Cambridge phrasal verb site to help & inspire http://t.co/pDjPihqU |
| teacherdude |
9:39 PM |
@Marisa_C @SueAnnan Here are some tips on preparing students for FCE/CAE/CPE interviews http://t.co/FZy7XrQ0… #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:39 PM |
@chiasuan loads of other rubbish exams too - like the Michigan par example #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:39 PM |
RT @hartle: RT @shaznosel: @hartle @chiasuan LIKE! Im finding Camb Prof so inpratical ... #eltchat Don't say tht. I'm just abt 2 start |
| ljp2010 |
9:39 PM |
@SueAnnan As you would expect and rightly so! #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:39 PM |
RT @shaznosel: @hartle @chiasuan LIKE! Im finding Camb Prof so inpratical ...eltchat Don't say tht. I'm just abt 2 start |
| SueAnnan |
9:39 PM |
@ljp2010 Aussie stuff in IELTS #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:40 PM |
@chiasuan LOL. Stupid exam, but bought into by the French too #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:40 PM |
@Shaunwilden I know really popular in Greece - good marketing I guess #eltchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:40 PM |
@chiasuan yep I was too for a bit, until I moved out of the UK (it's a requirement, for some strange reason) #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:40 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: My students love flo-joe on FB #ELTchat Mine too |
| Shaunwilden |
9:40 PM |
@Marisa_C Oh i'd forgotten about michigan...my greek boss had one of those #eltchat |
| Deirdre_Mulcahy |
9:40 PM |
@ljp2010 Exactly Lisa. Why isn't it there? There are more people speaking Aussie English than the "Standard" RP English #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:40 PM |
@Marisa_C did you every see the JMB? YUK #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:40 PM |
RT @leoselivan: good night #eltchat - IELTS tomorrow Night, night :-) |
| chiasuan |
9:40 PM |
@TailormadeEng 2 b honest, from what I have heard, Trinity Exam format sounds really good.Quite a few of my colleagues r examiners. #eltchat |
| ChristosPas |
9:40 PM |
My students do their writings esp. emails etc in real email like a simulator. It gives them a lot of motivation and enjoy it a lot #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:40 PM |
@hartle @chiasuan Me too - guilty that I recommended the book! But, then most ss want one as a security blanket..#eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:41 PM |
@chiasuan Don't enjoy talking to a computer? #eltchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:41 PM |
http://t.co/ZByTykcA useful lang for writing#eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:41 PM |
@hartle @chiasuan It depends of the ss but it is out-dated - great for literature freaks but not in this world..#eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:41 PM |
RT @chiasuan: @theteacherjames TOEFL? Grrrr......#eltchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:41 PM |
@Deirdre_Mulcahy I guess it's all about perceived reason for taking exam - IELTS for Aust, Camb 4 Europe. But defo C ur point! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:41 PM |
@SueAnnan no haven't - any links? #eltchat |
| chiasuan |
9:41 PM |
@shaznosel @hartle They can still use the book for homework and the exercises tho? Classrm exam practice doesn't have to b bk-bound #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:41 PM |
@chiasuan What about TOEFL? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:42 PM |
@Marisa_C I think it died #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:42 PM |
#eltchat of course writing gd proficiency tests is quite difficult... |
| teacherdude |
9:42 PM |
Here are some tips for Cambridge interview prep, aimed at teen learners http://t.co/W5XrnwbS #ELTchat |
| ChristosPas |
9:42 PM |
@teacherdude @Marisa_C @SueAnnan sorry tried to open link but it says it doesnt exist #eltchat |
| chiasuan |
9:42 PM |
@SueAnnan Every Korean and Japanese company wants to see a TOEIC score on the CVs...as if it means anything! #eltchat |
| Room2Chris |
9:43 PM |
Getting ss to appreciate the value of the cert. is important especially in todays global market #ELTchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:43 PM |
@hartle maybe so but the standardisation process is rigorous. #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:43 PM |
http://t.co/RBBUDPEu Iiked this for speaking activities #eltchat |
| chiasuan |
9:43 PM |
I'm not an examinr4any of thse exams.When sts asks me why,I say proudly,"I'll teach u2play the game,but I don't want2b part of it!" #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:43 PM |
RT @TailormadeEng: @chiasuan Not trying to advertise, but in Trinity exams Ss choose their own #eltchat yes but reliability issues |
| ljp2010 |
9:43 PM |
@hartle Getting the answers right yourself can be tricky enough!!! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:43 PM |
@ChristosPas http://t.co/fCyjrD5l #eltchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:43 PM |
@chiasuan @SueAnnan Please let's not get started on TOEIC. I can feel the red mist rising... #eltchat |
| chiasuan |
9:44 PM |
@TailormadeEng @SueAnnan Glad u agree with me about the uselessness, the mindlessness and the pointlessness of TOEIC! #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:44 PM |
@SaeedMobarak has some really good ideas and thinking outside the box. #follow #shoutout #efl #esol #eltchat #iatefl |
| SueAnnan |
9:44 PM |
I tested some trainees with some CPE and they couldn't agree. #ELTchat |
| chiasuan |
9:44 PM |
@hartle @TailormadeEng In any exam, it'll be a reliability versus practicality issue, isn't it? #eltchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:45 PM |
@chiasuan @hartle Exactly. Cambridge writing is the same, and they 're openly norm-referenced, which at keast Trin try (criterion) #eltchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:45 PM |
@Deirdre_Mulcahy sure but when it comes to exams things need 2 be more concrete 4 ss, this doesn't mean that deviation is a sin#eltchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:45 PM |
@Shaunwilden haha, yes i was always particularly bad at those :P #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:45 PM |
Do any of you use voice tools like Voicethread or Voxopop for extra speaking practice? @englishraven has a great collection #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:45 PM |
RT @hartle: PRACTISE ENGLISH: USEFUL LANGUAGE FOR FCE/CAE/CPE WRITING | @scoopit http://t.co/PqmPtgGq #eltchat |
| leoselivan |
9:45 PM |
@chiasuan you're on the path of war tonight :) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:45 PM |
@ljp2010 @hartle haha, least the current CPE doesnt have the stupid now what was the writer implying by his use of exercise of old #eltchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:46 PM |
RT @chiasuan: When sts asks me why,I say proudly,"I'll teach u2play the game,but I don't want2b part of it!" #eltchat hehe : ) |
| toulasklavou |
9:46 PM |
@shaznosel @Marisa_C @SueAnnan What's that?#eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:46 PM |
@hartle Depends on the test - I think an IELTS score of 7.0 is easier to obtain than a C2 for other exam boards..#eltchat |
| chiasuan |
9:46 PM |
@leoselivan Could be the remnants of having to take the side of exams during my #eltDA with @phil3wade http://t.co/hUdH6GOO #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:46 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Do any of U use voice tools lk Voicethread or Voxopop 4 extra speaking practice? @englishraven has a gr8 collection #eltchat |
| Deirdre_Mulcahy |
9:47 PM |
Having an advanced certificate does not mean you can effectively communicate in the language #eltchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:47 PM |
RT @Room2Chris: @Marisa_C i use their voice recorder on the iphone. You can easily email the files around #ELTchat or any smart phone... |
| hartle |
9:47 PM |
RT @ljp2010: @hartle Getting the answers right yourself can be tricky enough!!! #ELTchat yes, and in CAE let alone CPE |
| Shaunwilden |
9:47 PM |
RT @Room2Chris: @Marisa_C i use their voice recorder on the iphone. You can easily email the files around #ELTchat |
| Room2Chris |
9:47 PM |
@Marisa_C i use their voice recorder on the iphone. You can easily email the files around #ELTchat |
| ConnectEDglobal |
9:47 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Do any of you use voice tools like Voicethread or Voxopop for extra speaking practice? @englishraven has a great collection #eltchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:47 PM |
So down with exams, bring on portfolios? #ELTchat |
| hartle |
9:47 PM |
RT @teacherdude: Here are some tips ... http://t.co/kpPdyY8s #ELTchat mice |
| TailormadeEng |
9:48 PM |
@chiasuan Not very familiar with them but have heard good things #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:48 PM |
RT @TailormadeEng: @hartle maybe so... #eltchat in my uni we have stds who have done ISE, which we accept but high variance in levels |
| ChristosPas |
9:48 PM |
@shaznosel @hartle totally agree, thats why somebody would prefer B2 TOEIC instead of FCE #eltchat |
| Deirdre_Mulcahy |
9:48 PM |
Exams should be geared towards specific purposes and not a general overview of the language #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:48 PM |
@Deirdre_Mulcahy Well surely it does go someway to show you can (in certain areas of the lang anyway) #eltchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:48 PM |
@Deirdre_Mulcahy Good point but employees/universities like to see them, perhaps wrongly? #eltchat |
| chiasuan |
9:48 PM |
But to be fair, alongside the Trinity exams, BULATS isn't a bad exam either... #eltchat |
| Room2Chris |
9:48 PM |
I'm finding students are arriving at higher levels younger and younger - real problems adapting course books etc #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:48 PM |
RT @Room2Chris: @Marisa_C i use their voice recorder on the iphone. You can easily email the files around #ELTchat |
| teacherdude |
9:49 PM |
#ELTchat Corrected link for FCE etc. interview prep http://t.co/71bBVOrY |
| Shaunwilden |
9:49 PM |
RT @maizie: @Marisa_C @englishraven ss Use vocaroo after every unit to record reading progress about 1a month #eltchat |
| maizie |
9:49 PM |
@Marisa_C @englishraven ss Use vocaroo after every unit to record reading progress about 1a month #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:49 PM |
@toulasklavou @Marisa_C @SueAnnan What's what?? my tweetdeck is not working again tonite - missing things here!#eltchat |
| leoselivan |
9:49 PM |
@chiasuan unlike u i prefer examining rather than prepping Sts for exams #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:49 PM |
RT @ljp2010: So down with exams, bring on portfolios? #ELTchat |
| Room2Chris |
9:49 PM |
In fact, course book has more or less cast aside #ELTchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:50 PM |
watching recorded interviews & get Ss to find Dos & Dont's v useful#eltchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:50 PM |
watching recorded interviews & get Ss to find Dos & Dont's v useful#eltchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:50 PM |
@Room2Chris same here in Argentina and hence the popularity of such exams #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:50 PM |
@Deirdre_Mulcahy Yes but then we could say that about a lot of the lang we teach #eltchat |
| Room2Chris |
9:50 PM |
“@ljp2010: So down with exams, bring on portfolios? #ELTchat” i like the idea but parents in Brazil "crave" tests |
| hartle |
9:50 PM |
RT @chiasuan: @hartle @TailormadeEng #eltchat Up to a point. Pros and cons. Trinity gr8t learner centred but how do you know who chose |
| shaznosel |
9:50 PM |
@ljp2010 A paradise - continious assessment ans soooo real life1#eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:50 PM |
@Room2Chris #ELTchat Younger and younger is common practice in Greece - real issues re knowledge base |
| Shaunwilden |
9:51 PM |
10 minutes left of this #eltchat any more tips, activities or websites that might be of use? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:51 PM |
Here is @englishraven s voxopop - one of the threads http://t.co/sqIWoQ0C #eltchat |
| Room2Chris |
9:51 PM |
“@Marisa_C: @Room2Chris #ELTchat Younger and younger is common practice in Greece - real issues re knowledge base” also maturity with some |
| SueAnnan |
9:52 PM |
@Shaunwilden very often just googling will work finding links #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:52 PM |
@hartle @ljp2010 kinda reassures ss when they see a native speaker strugglng but does this discourage them..what kinda test is this?#eltchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:52 PM |
@hartle Interesting, perhaps having learners choose topics not so great then? #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:52 PM |
RT @shaznosel: @hartle Depends on the test - I think an IELTS score of 7.0 is easier to obtain than a C2 f.#eltchat Yes, that 2 |
| reasons4 |
9:52 PM |
RT @toulasklavou: watchrecorded interviews get Ss to find Dos & Dont's v useful#eltchat >agree it shows them that it is not too difficult |
| SueAnnan |
9:53 PM |
@tarabenwell depends what they need it for #ELTChat |
| hartle |
9:53 PM |
#ELTchat the question of ALTE levels throny too. So many have "their own B2s,C2s" etc. |
| ljp2010 |
9:53 PM |
@SueAnnan highlights the lack of authenticity of the task #ELTchat |
| tarabenwell |
9:53 PM |
@SueAnnan My online sts asked me today which is more difficult, IELTS or TOEFL. I haven't taught IELTS. #ELTChat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:54 PM |
@tarabenwell IELTS, definitely - but depends where they're going to study, TOEFL better equips for US study. #eltchat |
| chiasuan |
9:54 PM |
I use a dictaphone 2 record my students doin a speaking activity, playback and self-correct, then record again. Great for speaking! #eltchat |
| leoselivan |
9:54 PM |
@tarabenwell @SueAnnan if they prefer talking to a human in the spkg part - then IELTS #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:54 PM |
@tarabenwell @SueAnnan At least IELTS is to a person not a computer. #ELTChat |
| tarabenwell |
9:54 PM |
@Shaunwilden This section was updated about a year or two ago. Always changing, though. http://t.co/hDCNFhwE #ELTchat |
| SophiaMav |
9:54 PM |
RT @vickyloras: Updated:New post w/mentions to @chiasuan @brad5patterson @EdPegg Now,Where Are Your Manners? http://t.co/40T2ewa3 #BESIG #ELTChat |
| ljp2010 |
9:54 PM |
@SueAnnan Sorry Sue ! Comment was directed @shaznosel re: highlights the lack of authenticity of the task #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:55 PM |
@tarabenwell there appear to be some on itunes #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:55 PM |
RT @TailormadeEng: @hartle Interesting, perhaps having learners choose topics not so great then? #eltchat depends how U do it, I think |
| SueAnnan |
9:55 PM |
@tarabenwell englishraven #ELTChat |
| leoselivan |
9:55 PM |
@theteacherjames @tarabenwell @SueAnnan to a person? no James they talk to an examiner #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:55 PM |
@SueAnnan True #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
9:55 PM |
@vbenevolofranca good to have you Valeria - :-) #eltchat |
| tarabenwell |
9:55 PM |
They were also asking about podcasts for TOEFL. Anyone know of any? #ELTChat |
| SueAnnan |
9:55 PM |
@theteacherjames for the moment #ELTChat |
| toulasklavou |
9:56 PM |
Get Ss 2 collect writings of the same genre from diff resources to identify relevant features #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:56 PM |
@Marisa_C Yes #eltchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:56 PM |
@hartle thanks you've given me some food for thought - hadn't considered how well-equipped Ss would be after exam #eltchat |
| ChristosPas |
9:56 PM |
@chiasuan yes I record students and they self correct for speaking section. They actually enjoy it a lot #eltchat |
| daysealbar |
9:56 PM |
I use voxopop a lot. @Marisa_C #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:56 PM |
Five minutes before the end - floe joe has been mentioned - find it useful?? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:56 PM |
@Shaunwilden Jason has some too #eltchat |
| Room2Chris |
9:56 PM |
Sadly, i have to go and do a placement test, but I enjoyed the conversation #ELTchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:56 PM |
Giving good and bad writing models 2 discover on their own what to avoid and what to do#eltchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:57 PM |
@Marisa_C Only if I'm in a hurry #eltchat task content could better mirror real exam content though sometimes #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:57 PM |
@SueAnnan grrr #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:57 PM |
@Marisa_C Sorry. NO time - exams, EVo .... #eltchat |
| tarabenwell |
9:57 PM |
We had an #examchat on MyEC today. Many learners not sure which exam to take. #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:57 PM |
#eltchat http://t.co/UUCbjLxn this is part 1 of my presentation on changing levels in speaking exams (Part 2 follows on YouTube |
| Shaunwilden |
9:57 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: And who, pray thee good folk is going to do this fab summary? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:57 PM |
And who, pray thee good folk is going to do this fab summary? #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:57 PM |
#eltchat - in exam classes, should we keep refering to THE exam - do we drive ss mad doing this or if we don't - we don't care?#eltchat |
| hartle |
9:58 PM |
RT @tarabenwell: @Shaunwilden http://t.co/YGy24tNK #ELTchat Thanks added it to my Scoop.it |
| Deirdre_Mulcahy |
9:58 PM |
I find it great record SS at the start of the year, and then play that recording again at the end of the year. Great motivation #eltchat |
| tarabenwell |
9:58 PM |
@Shaunwilden Okay, thanks. I always recommend @englishraven for anything TOEFL too. #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
9:58 PM |
@ljp2010 Lovely! We have a summary writer!!! #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:58 PM |
@ljp2010 @Marisa_C As soon as you can is the deadline #eltchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:58 PM |
@Marisa_C I believe I have promised to do one. Deadline? #ELTchat |
| shaznosel |
9:58 PM |
@Marisa_C floe -joe great!#eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:59 PM |
@toulasklavou tooo true!!#eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:59 PM |
@leoselivan @tarabenwell @SueAnnan Oooh, mean!! #eltchat |
| tarabenwell |
9:59 PM |
Can't believe I missed this #ELTchat! I look forward to the summary and transcript. |
| SueAnnan |
9:59 PM |
hatThanks as always to great mods and to everyone for a great #ELTchat |
| TailormadeEng |
9:59 PM |
thanks everyone and adios for now #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:59 PM |
@ljp2010 I'll tweet you transcript shortly #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:59 PM |
@tarabenwell Sometimes, I m not sure which exam to recommend -so many issues involved!#eltchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:59 PM |
@shaznosel think in Greece most of them are already obsessed with exams, they're mad already:) #eltchat |
| basitsultan |
9:59 PM |
RT @chiasuan: I use a dictaphone 2 record my students doin a speaking activity, playback and self-correct, then record again. Great for speaking! #eltchat |
| ljp2010 |
9:59 PM |
Thanks everyone. C U next week :-)#ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
10:00 PM |
New #ELTchat podcast uncut. Hear the full interview between @vickyloras & @cherrymp http://t.co/tvZAJ2Ae & on iTunes http://t.co/rHhlAkx7 |
| hartle |
10:00 PM |
http://t.co/veZE1owi #ELTchat Splendid Speaking good too |
| TailormadeEng |
10:00 PM |
Don't forget summary of earlier #eltchat at http://t.co/1kN1WIUX |
| pavlamilerski |
10:00 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: RT @Marisa_C: Do any of U use voice tools lk Voicethread or Voxopop 4 extra speaking practice? @englishraven has a gr8 collection #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
10:00 PM |
RT @chiasuan: I use a dictaphone 2 record my students doin a speaking activity, playback and self-correct, then record again. Great for speaking! #eltchat |
| leoselivan |
10:01 PM |
RT @shaznosel: #eltchat - time too short for this subject ..maybe we shud discuss which exam is right for ss....#eltchat <> Hear Hear! |
| hartle |
10:01 PM |
RT @TailormadeEng: @hartle thanks you've given me some food for thought - #eltchat and you've given me some too :-) |
| shaznosel |
10:01 PM |
#eltchat - night all! |
| Shaunwilden |
10:01 PM |
@shaznosel well suggest it when we open for topics later this week then :-) #eltchat |
| daysealbar |
10:01 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: New #ELTchat podcast uncut. Hear the full interview between @vickyloras & @cherrymp http://t.co/tvZAJ2Ae & on iTunes http://t.co/rHhlAkx7 |
| toulasklavou |
10:01 PM |
Goodnight everyone!#eltchat |
| shaznosel |
10:01 PM |
#eltchat - time too short for this subject ..maybe we shud discuss which exam is right for ss....#eltchat |
| leoselivan |
10:01 PM |
@theteacherjames @tarabenwell @SueAnnan no I am one of them :) eltchat |
| ChristosPas |
10:01 PM |
@toulasklavou @shaznosel both students and esp parents!!! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
10:02 PM |
Thanks to everyone for joining in tonight's #eltchat see you next week |
| SueAnnan |
10:02 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: Bye everyone. I'm freezing here. PC is a long way from fire :-) #ELTchat |
| tarabenwell |
10:02 PM |
@shaznosel That's exactly how I feel. I used to know so much more about the exams, but I pulled away from this area of #ELT. :) #ELTchat |
| toulasklavou |
10:02 PM |
@shaznosel Definitely, a great subject to propose#eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
10:02 PM |
Until we finally manage to abolish exams, good luck with your test classes everyone! #eltchat |
| hartle |
10:03 PM |
#ELTchat night all C U next week... I hope |
| shaznosel |
10:03 PM |
@theteacherjames a dream.....one day..I have a dream..#eltchat |
| hartle |
10:03 PM |
#ELTchat sorry there is definitely an earthquake now.What with snow, buried cats and now earthquakes wondering if the Mayas were right! |
| Marisa_C |
10:04 PM |
Thank you all for joining - hope you got some ideas and energy - see you all next week!!! #eltchat Thank you @Shaunwilden my fab comod :-D |
| SaeedMobarak |
10:04 PM |
RT @duncan_lydbury: @SaeedMobarak has some really good ideas and thinking outside the box. #follow #shoutout #efl #esol #eltchat #iatefl |
| Shaunwilden |
10:04 PM |
@reasons4 Oh yeah forgot about that - may be the night out in Netherlands will win out :-) #eltchat |
| Deirdre_Mulcahy |
10:04 PM |
Thank everyone, my first experience in #eltchat and I really enjoyed it. I look forward to the next time. |
| shaznosel |
10:04 PM |
@hartle earthquake?get the cats in..#eltchat |
| tarabenwell |
10:05 PM |
Exam Prep Unplugged http://t.co/FbZiNiL1 #ELTChat |
| shaznosel |
10:05 PM |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden Thanks to you two too!#eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
10:05 PM |
@Deirdre_Mulcahy Glad you enjoyed it, see you next time :-) #eltchat |
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