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Critical thinking in teacher development

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This is the transcript of #eltchat on 08.02.2012 on Critical thinking in teacher development.

username	time	status
Shaunwilden	12:00 PM	Ok its midday so time for #eltchat on Critical thinking in teacher development
TailormadeEng	12:01 PM	Should we start by defining what critical thinking in TD means to us? #eltchat
CeciELT	12:01 PM	RT @AlexandraKouk: #ELTchat starting now on Critical thinking in teacher development
cybraryman1	12:01 PM	The aim of education should be to teach us rather how to think, than what to think. My CT pg http://t.co/rdRv9dgT #eltchat
AlexandraKouk	12:01 PM	#ELTchat starting now on Critical thinking in teacher development
Marisa_C	12:01 PM	Hello everyone and welcome to this edition of #ELTchat - @Shaunwilden & me your moderators - Critical thinking in Teacher -Development
yitzha_sarwono	12:02 PM	@TailormadeEng good point! #eltchat
theteacherjames	12:02 PM	RT @Shaunwilden: I know what CT is and I know what TD is but can sb tell me what this topic is about :-) #eltchat
TeachEslToday	12:02 PM	In my opinion, critical thinking is absolutely important, there is a need of reflection after every action carried out by the T #eltchat
Shaunwilden	12:02 PM	@try_manoellang Welcome :-) #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono	12:02 PM	RT @Marisa_C: Hello everyone and welcome to this edition of #ELTchat - @Shaunwilden & me your moderators - Critical thinking in Teacher -Development
CeciELT	12:02 PM	RT @TailormadeEng: Should we start by defining what critical thinking in TD means to us? #eltchat > Think it'd be nice.... care to start? ;)
Marisa_C	12:02 PM	RT @try_manoellang: my first time joining the #eltchat. thanks for the invitation @ yitza sarwono - Welcome to #ELTchat
Shaunwilden	12:02 PM	I know what CT is and I know what TD is but can sb tell me what this topic is about :-) #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono	12:02 PM	@try_manoellang our topic for today's #eltchat is Critical thinking in teacher development
try_manoellang	12:02 PM	my first time joining the #eltchat. thanks for the invitation @ yitza sarwono
TailormadeEng	12:03 PM	2 critically analysing teaching material when selecting for class - in terms of how it will benefit Ss rather than 'it looks fun' #eltchat
Marisa_C	12:03 PM	@TeachEslToday good link of CT to reflective thinking - a good idea on any teacher development programme #eltchat
AlexandraKouk	12:03 PM	Should critical thinking be two-fold: both T and Ss should engage in it #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:03 PM	For me it covers several areas 1 using experience to support/refute what Ts read in formal training courses e.g. Delta #eltchat
Shaunwilden	12:04 PM	@TailormadeEng so critically assessing ones own TD paths etc? #eltchat
jankenb2	12:04 PM	@TailormadeEng #eltchat Yes, let's explore CT in teacher training & decide if a Ts aptitude to think critically is dependent on context.
CeciELT	12:04 PM	@TailormadeEng I agree with you, and would add workshops and presentations you attend to it #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:04 PM	3 analysing Ss' perceived needs using our linguistic knowledge #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono	12:04 PM	Welcoming a fellow Indonesia teacher and good friend @try_manoellang for the 1st time ever on #eltchat. @Marisa_C & @Shaunwilden
Marisa_C	12:04 PM	RT @AlexandraKouk: Should critical thinking be two-fold: both T and Ss should engage in it #eltchat > makes sense doesn't it
MrChrisJWilson	12:04 PM	‚Äú@Shaunwilden: I know what CT is and I know what TD is but can sb tell me what this topic is about :-) #eltchat‚Äù< I smirked
Marisa_C	12:05 PM	@AlexandraKouk another term we tend to use in t-ed is 'reflective practice' #eltchat
ChristosPas	12:05 PM	@Marisa_C I have a lesson to go to and will miss the chat!! Enjoy everyone! Looking forward to the summary!! #eltchat
CeciELT	12:05 PM	@Marisa_C What do you mean dependent on context, Marisa? On where the teacher is? #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:05 PM	@Shaunwilden yes that's one way of looking it but also in a practical, day-to-day way (points 2 and 3) #eltchat
AlexandraKouk	12:05 PM	On the T side: questioning, examining critically, reflecting on choices of mats, activities, aims #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:05 PM	@CeciELT Ah yes, great point. #eltchat
Marisa_C	12:05 PM	RT@TailormadeEng #eltchat Yes, let's explore CT in teacher training & decide if a Ts aptitude to think critically is dependent on context.
TailormadeEng	12:06 PM	@Shaunwilden since I work mainly in TTed, CT in TD is more relevant to me. Sorry for being selfish! : ) #eltchat
michaelegriffin	12:06 PM	#ELTchat Thinking critically vs. Critical thinking?
jankenb2	12:06 PM	@Marisa_C @AlexandraKouk #eltchat CT enables a teacher to ask the right questions eg ?'s that scaffold Ss thinking to think deeper.
Shaunwilden	12:06 PM	@TailormadeEng Am trying to sort out CT in TD (the topic) and CT in teaching #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:07 PM	@Marisa_C I think some already do eg Delta M3, it's a key criterion #eltchat
TeachEslToday	12:07 PM	To be able to help our Ss to develop critical thinking, We must think critically first #eltchat
Shaunwilden	12:07 PM	@TailormadeEng No its fine, what i meant was if there is a line between the two #eltchat
Lee74	12:07 PM	Interested to hear how that works in practice, what is the process? Anyone use e-portfolios/reflective journals to plan>act>reflect #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:07 PM	RT @CeciELT: @Marisa_C What do you mean dependent on context, Marisa? On where the teacher is? #eltchat>yes could you clarify?
Marisa_C	12:07 PM	So would a prescriptive T-ed programme encourage Ts to become reflectivive practitioners - critical thinkers? #Eltchat
TeachEslToday	12:08 PM	T need to reflect upon their practice,Why a lesson went wrong, Did my body language help to convey the meaning... #eltchat
Marisa_C	12:08 PM	RT @BobK99: Is CT 'reflective practice'? #eltchat > yes
yitzha_sarwono	12:08 PM	I think CT is a must attitude for every one, not just a teacher, but for us it means we'll progress more, as education always is #eltchat
BobK99	12:08 PM	Is CT 'reflective practice'? #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:08 PM	@Shaunwilden yes I think so - I see CT in Ss more about what we do in class #eltchat
Marisa_C	12:08 PM	@TailormadeEng not only in module 3 methinks #eltchat
michaelegriffin	12:08 PM	@Marisa_C @AlexandraKouk #ELTchat Interesting, perhaps my take on #reflectiveP is a bit more limited. 2 me critical thinking serves it
Shaunwilden	12:08 PM	RT @CeciELT: I'd say CT in TD can be espy hard when u r talking abt texts/presentations by the big names in the field. #eltchat
Marisa_C	12:09 PM	@CeciELT I think it does - when you are asked to identify underlying assumptions in materials u display this skill #eltchat
NikkiFortova	12:09 PM	RT @Shaunwilden: @CeciELT I think it goes the other way as well, social network has given every1 a voice so its difficult to know which 2 listen to #eltchat
CeciELT	12:09 PM	RT @yitzha_sarwono: I think CT is a must attitude for every one, not just a teacher, but for us it means we'll progress more, as education always is #eltchat
AlexandraKouk	12:09 PM	@BobK99 it's a part of it, I think #eltchat
IHRoma	12:09 PM	@TeachEslToday also why a lesson went right. focus on positives as well as negatives. #eltchat
Shaunwilden	12:09 PM	@CeciELT I think it goes the other way as well, social network has given every1 a voice so its difficult to know which 2 listen to #eltchat
CeciELT	12:09 PM	@Marisa_C @TailormadeEng Agree with not only in M3 of Delta, but CT not very present in M1 of it - at least I didn't think so #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:09 PM	@Shaunwilden I think keeping it practical by using our own experience to see if things are born out helps with big name talks #eltchat
CeciELT	12:10 PM	@Shaunwilden True. But we should listen to everyone (or almost) but the key is in HOW to take in what we hear, isn't it? #eltchat
Marisa_C	12:10 PM	@dalecoulter I think so - but depends on the course structure and attitude of the centre #eltchat
AlexandraKouk	12:10 PM	RT @IHRoma: @TeachEslToday also why a lesson went right. focus on positives as well as negatives. #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:10 PM	@Marisa_C ah yes, good point, point 2 I mentioned earlier #eltchat
TeachEslToday	12:10 PM	Thinking critically we'll see that many problems can be solved by just taking some time to reflect upon why those problems happened #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono	12:10 PM	RT @TeachEslToday: T need to reflect upon their practice,Why a lesson went wrong, Did my body language help to convey the meaning... #eltchat
reasons4	12:10 PM	RT @Marisa_C: RT @BobK99: Is CT 'reflective practice'? #eltchat > yes > surely it depends how the reflective practice is done.
TailormadeEng	12:10 PM	@CeciELT Yes I agree, I think M1 is more about 'ticking boxes' - in some ways the opposite of CT - more for Ms 2 and 3 I think #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:11 PM	RT @MrChrisJWilson: @BobK99 CT is 'reflective practice' but more. Also about reflecting on others' beliefs #eltchat>exactly.
CeciELT	12:11 PM	@Marisa_C Not sure, Marisa.... I think there is CT when you study it, but in the actual test you have to put what you've read #eltchat
lclandfield	12:11 PM	Hi everyone - am following this a bit late and from a distance. Will try and chip in later as this subject interests me greatly! #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson	12:11 PM	RT @TailormadeEng: @BobK99 CT is 'reflective practice' but more. Also about reflecting on others' beliefs #eltchat
Shaunwilden	12:11 PM	@Marisa_C @dalecoulter I'd agree with M, the centres have a lot to do with instilling it #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:11 PM	@dalecoulter I think it already does a good job of attempting to develop it #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:11 PM	@BobK99 CT is 'reflective practice' but more. Also about reflecting on others' beliefs #eltchat
theteacherjames	12:11 PM	@Marisa_C @BobK99 Or is reflective practice part of CT? #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:12 PM	@jankenb2 Nice way of putting it #eltchat
Shaunwilden	12:12 PM	@CeciELT I disagree, think we should find out who were are listening to as well, too many pple 'shout' but then have little to say #eltchat
IHRoma	12:12 PM	RT @TailormadeEng: RT @MrChrisJWilson: @BobK99 CT is 'reflective practice' but more. Also about reflecting on others' beliefs #eltchat>exactly.
Marisa_C	12:12 PM	@CeciELT I don't actually agree with you but hey life is sometimes like that #eltchat
CeciELT	12:12 PM	@Marisa_C Whether you agree or not #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono	12:12 PM	RT @TeachEslToday: Thinking critically we'll see that many problems can be solved by just taking some time to reflect upon why those problems happened #eltchat
IHRoma	12:13 PM	@yitzha_sarwono @CeciELT @Shaunwilden is that not part of your formation of teaching beliefs and attitudes? Who to listen to? #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:13 PM	Is it worth mentioning the 4Cs in TD as well? #eltchat #4cs
AlexandraKouk	12:13 PM	RT @michaelegriffin: I think one can think critically without reflecting. Don't think the reverse is true.
AlexandraKouk	12:13 PM	RT @michaelegriffin: I think one can think critically without reflecting. Don't think the reverse is true.
yitzha_sarwono	12:13 PM	@CeciELT @Shaunwilden good point, everyone does have a voice, but which one that we should reflect to, now that's CT :) #eltchat
michaelegriffin	12:13 PM	I think one can think critically without reflecting. Don't think the reverse is true.
CeciELT	12:13 PM	@Marisa_C That's critical thinking put into practice! ;-) Different opinions! #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:14 PM	@michaelegriffin Good point. #eltchat
CeciELT	12:14 PM	@Shaunwilden Agree with you on some ppl shout but have little to say - hence the need for CT #eltchat
BobK99	12:15 PM	Loads of views on what CT is. To me so far it's just a buzzword. Help! #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson	12:15 PM	#eltchat Is it possible to think critically at the start of teaching or does it come with experience? Is there a difference?
Shaunwilden	12:15 PM	@TailormadeEng Worth mentioning though a teacher can CT without them no? #eltchat
Marisa_C	12:15 PM	@CeciELT I am curious to know why you disagree - you must have read the syllabus specifications more carefully than me :-) #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:15 PM	@IHRoma I think you can listen to everything, but it's the aplication of CT which helps you voice your own beliefs #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson	12:16 PM	@Marisa_C forgive my ignorance :( What are Bloom's educational objective and why should I care? #eltchat
reasons4	12:16 PM	RT @BobK99: Loads of views on what CT is. To me so far it's just a buzzword. Help! #eltchat > agreed
yitzha_sarwono	12:16 PM	RT @TailormadeEng: @IHRoma I think you can listen to everything, but it's the aplication of CT which helps you voice your own beliefs #eltchat
Shaunwilden	12:16 PM	@TailormadeEng the 4Cs #eltchat
Marisa_C	12:16 PM	RT @Marisa_C: How can we relate Bloom's educational objectives to CT in TP? #ELTchat > Sorry CT in PD or TD
CeciELT	12:16 PM	@Marisa_C I just felt M1 to be much more about memorising things than actually reflecting and giving your take on things #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:16 PM	@Shaunwilden sorry I've lost the thread (not a great tweeter me!) refer to what/who? #eltchat
Shaunwilden	12:16 PM	@MrChrisJWilson I think it is possible but it needs sth to help guide and inform i.e. a basis for the thinking #eltchat
Marisa_C	12:16 PM	How can we relate Bloom's educational objectives to CT in TP? #ELTchat
Marisa_C	12:17 PM	@Shaunwilden I was just observing a CELTA TP :-D --- my fingers slipped ! #eltchat
Lee74	12:17 PM	@MrChrisJWilson At the start it's harder and a more concious process #eltchat
jobethsteel	12:17 PM	@MrChrisJWilson You need to be encouraged from the start of your teaching or even in training. #eltchat
jankenb2	12:17 PM	#eltchat CT = ways of thinking. depth,completeness significance, logical-ness, fairness, relevance, precision, accuracy, clarity (Halpern)
Shaunwilden	12:17 PM	RT @reasons4: RT @BobK99: Loads of views on what CT is. To me so far it's just a buzzword. Help! #eltchat > agreed
TeachEslToday	12:17 PM	Your critical thinking must go with you in every aspect of your life,not only in your teaching, if not the world will laught at you #eltchat
IHRoma	12:17 PM	@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C can CT be taught directly? #eltchat
Shaunwilden	12:17 PM	@Marisa_C Haha TP - you're celtering then :-) #eltchat
JosetteLB	12:17 PM	@michaelegriffin I agree "I think one can think critically without reflecting. Don't think the reverse is true."
Marisa_C	12:17 PM	@CeciELT oh well what can i say.... it;s not but not the time to argue this our #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:17 PM	@Marisa_C Haven't read that one could you post a link? (Bloom) #eltchat
Marisa_C	12:18 PM	Millions of links on Bloom - here is one picked randomly http://t.co/oFlyYthL #ELTchat
yitzha_sarwono	12:18 PM	@IHRoma yes, but sometimes especially here, CT can only work with open mind #eltchat
Shaunwilden	12:18 PM	@IHRoma @Marisa_C I think it can be encouraged #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:18 PM	@TailormadeEng Right, sorry. I'm not sure - I think you need some creativity to be able to CT well, and need to collaborate #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono	12:19 PM	RT @TeachEslToday: Your critical thinking must go with you in every aspect of your life,not only in your teaching, if not the world will laught at you #eltchat
CeciELT	12:19 PM	What are aspects that can make CT in TD harder for you? #eltchat
TeachEslToday	12:19 PM	Debates and discussions over controversial topics are an excellent way to encourage critical thinking #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono	12:19 PM	RT @jankenb2: #eltchat CT = ways of thinking. depth,completeness significance, logical-ness, fairness, relevance, precision, accuracy, clarity (Halpern)
CeciELT	12:19 PM	RT @Marisa_C: Millions of links on Bloom - here is one picked randomly http://t.co/oFlyYthL #ELTchat
jankenb2	12:20 PM	#eltchat @Marisa_C Bloom's relates to Tdevelopment. My wkshop on how to use Bloom's in TD accessed http://t.co/0XoWABAG w/positive response
TailormadeEng	12:20 PM	@CeciELT I think when I observe a T do a really useful activity and 'steal' - hard to be critical! #eltchat
Marisa_C	12:20 PM	RT @AlexandraKouk: So is CT the ability to reject what doesn't work for your teaching situation and focus on what would? #eltchat
AlexandraKouk	12:20 PM	So is CT the ability to reject what doesn't work for your teaching situation and focus on what would? #eltchat
Marisa_C	12:20 PM	Seems that we can look at this topic either from the point of view of PD syllabus planners (fine with me) or for the T's point #ELTchat
IHRoma	12:20 PM	RT @TeachEslToday: Debates and discussions over controversial topics are an excellent way to encourage critical thinking #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono	12:20 PM	@TeachEslToday good point! Can I quote that? #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:20 PM	@Marisa_C Linked and bookmarked. Thanks a million!! #eltchat
CeciELT	12:21 PM	RT @AlexandraKouk: So is CT the ability to reject what doesn't work 4 yr teaching sit & focus on what wd? #eltchat > Think that's part of it
Shaunwilden	12:21 PM	RT @AlexandraKouk: So is CT the ability to reject what doesn't work for your teaching situation and focus on what would? #eltchat > good ?
Marisa_C	12:21 PM	RT @jankenb2: #eltchat @Marisa_C Bloom's relates to Tdevelopment. My wkshop on how to use Bloom's in TD http://t.co/eLRp4qje
yitzha_sarwono	12:21 PM	@CeciELT here in Indonesia? Society and cultural things, right @try_manoellang ? #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:21 PM	@AlexandraKouk Yes, I think so - nice way of putting it #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:21 PM	@MrChrisJWilson Can think critically at start, but you will be basing your thoughts on prejudices; some might be right but by luck #eltchat
Marisa_C	12:21 PM	@jankenb2 lovely just perfect #eltchat
NikkiFortova	12:21 PM	RT @AlexandraKouk: So is CT the ability to reject what doesn't work for your teaching situation and focus on what would? #eltchat > good ?
IHRoma	12:22 PM	have to leave #eltchat now. Thanks for the disucssion, look forward to reading the transcript.
crystalannie	12:22 PM	CT helps to accumulate experiences and achievement. which can attract like minded professionals.#eltchat
josepopoff	12:22 PM	@CeciELT Making reflections on own practice is sometimes an uncomfortable, yet necessary aspect of CT in TD. #eltchat
TeachEslToday	12:23 PM	@josepopoff @CeciELT I consider that this reflection using critical thinking is the only way of improving as a teacher #eltchat
Marisa_C	12:23 PM	I think that the general #ELT orthodoxy of the past wanted Ts to adopt this or that #dogma,.... hm hm #ELtchat not conducive to CT
MrChrisJWilson	12:23 PM	#eltchat I think there are 2 parts of CT within td, reflecting on lessons [RP] and reflecting on frameworks/mentalities #dontmentionthedword
yitzha_sarwono	12:23 PM	RT @AlexandraKouk: So is CT the ability to reject what doesn't work 4 yr teaching sit & focus on what wd? #eltchat > more like it
crystalannie	12:23 PM	RT @Marisa_C: RT @AlexandraKouk: So is CT the ability to reject what doesn't work for your teaching situation and focus on what would? #eltchat
CeciELT	12:24 PM	@Marisa_C I wholeheartedly agree with you on that, Marisa #ELT #dogma #ELtchat
MrChrisJWilson	12:24 PM	@TailormadeEng V true! CT is good but action gives it a purpose #eltchat
AlexandraKouk	12:24 PM	RT @Shaunwilden: RT @michaelegriffin: What are aspects that can make CT in TD harder for you > 4 me the big one is beliefs masquerading as "facts" #eltchat
CeciELT	12:24 PM	RT @Marisa_C: I think that the general #ELT orthodoxy of the past wanted Ts to adopt this or that #dogma,.... hm hm #ELtchat not conducive to CT
TailormadeEng	12:24 PM	@MrChrisJWilson Yes but I think reflection is only useful with application - an important follow up from CT #eltchat
AlexandraKouk	12:24 PM	And should CT in TD also focus on ways to promote CT in Ss? #eltchat
jankenb2	12:24 PM	@CeciELT @AlexandraKouk #eltchat CT is being comfortable with accepting multiple answers for "facts" To teach CT we must encourage S's to ?
TailormadeEng	12:25 PM	@Marisa_C Yes, but with application to own context comes even a little CT #eltchat
reasons4	12:25 PM	RT @Shaunwilden: RT @michaelegriffin: beliefs masquerading as "facts" #eltchat > agreed
michaelegriffin	12:25 PM	RT @Marisa_C: I think that the general #ELT orthodoxy of the past wanted Ts to adopt this or that #dogma,.... hm hm #ELtchat not conducive to CT
Shaunwilden	12:25 PM	RT @Marisa_C: CT is harder to foster in a TD programme when all Ts want is a few well-tried and tested receipes #ELTchat Very good point
try_manoellang	12:25 PM	i think CT helps teachers to develop themselves and their students not only in the class but outside of the class too #eltchat
BobK99	12:25 PM	RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat I think there are 2 parts of CT within td, ref on lessons [RP] and ref on fmwrks/mentalities > Sounds good
Marisa_C	12:25 PM	CT is harder to foster in a TD programme when all Ts want is a few well-tried and tested receipes #ELTchat
reasons4	12:25 PM	RT @Shaunwilden: RT @michaelegriffin: What are aspects that can make CT in TD harder for you > 4 me the big one is beliefs masquerading as "facts" #eltchat
CeciELT	12:26 PM	RT @Marisa_C: Good TD practice developing CT in Ts would encourage the "teacher-as-researcher" attitude not wholesale buyer of approaches/methods #eltchat
TeachEslToday	12:26 PM	The problem is nobody wants society 2 think critically,they want people like robots so they can manipulate' em, now that's changing #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:26 PM	@try_manoellang interesting issue raised: do Ts who employ CT lead to CT in Ss? #eltchat
CeciELT	12:26 PM	RT @jankenb2: @AlexandraKouk #eltchat To teach CT we must encourage S's to ? > Absolutely yes!
MrChrisJWilson	12:26 PM	‚Äú@Marisa_C: CT is harder to foster in a TD programme when all Ts want is a few well-tried and tested receipes #ELTchat‚Äù< like tourist Ts?
Marisa_C	12:26 PM	Good TD practice developing CT in Ts would encourage the "teacher-as-researcher" attitude not wholesale buyer of approaches/methods #eltchat
jankenb2	12:26 PM	@yitzha_sarwono @AlexandraKouk #eltchat not reject, rather to reposition. What is reasonable in 1800's is not today. Ex beliefs gender/race
TailormadeEng	12:27 PM	@LukeMeddings I think so, allows us to keep trying and testing them #eltchat
CeciELT	12:27 PM	@Marisa_C Right again, Ms Constantinides :-) The problem is that not all Ts are ready - or willing to think critically #ELTchat
reasons4	12:27 PM	#eltchat is it hard to foster in TD programme cos trainers are scared that T will ask questions they can't answer / challenge their ideas
Marisa_C	12:27 PM	@LukeMeddings #ELTchat absolutely - yes - nothing is safe from a crticical thinker :-)
michaelegriffin	12:27 PM	MT @Marisa_C CT is harder to foster when all Ts want is a few well-tried and tested receipes #ELTchat> harder to foster but still worth it?
JosetteLB	12:27 PM	Buzzword issue or an essential characteristic for teachers? Def. of CT http://t.co/2XC5DTLR #ELtchat
LukeMeddings	12:27 PM	@Shaunwilden @marisa_c #ELTchat so questioning the need for tried and tested recipes should be part of CT, no? Critiquing received wisdom..
yitzha_sarwono	12:28 PM	RT @try_manoellang: i think CT helps teachers to develop themselves and their students not only in the class but outside of the class too #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:28 PM	@reasons4 not sure I agree - I don't think they'd be a very good trainer #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson	12:28 PM	@reasons4 or feel ripped off for not being "Taught" anything #eltchat
Shaunwilden	12:28 PM	@LukeMeddings @marisa_c Agreed but how to instill that when the staff wont come to TD unless they're getting recipes #eltchat
NikkiFortova	12:28 PM	RT @reasons4: #eltchat is it hard to foster in TD programme cos trainers are scared that T will ask questions they can't answer / challenge their ideas
TammyVine	12:29 PM	RT @Marisa_C: As @AlexandraKouk pointed out a crticical/reflective T more likely to produce critical/reflective Ss #ELtchat
TeachEslToday	12:29 PM	@CeciELT @Marisa_C That's because not thinking critically is easier :D #eltchat
josepopoff	12:29 PM	@TeachEslToday: @josepopoff @CeciELT I consider that ths reflection is the only way of improving as a teacher #eltchat Couldn't agree more
yitzha_sarwono	12:29 PM	@TailormadeEng @try_manoellang interesting indeed! #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:29 PM	@Shaunwilden Rather than installing recipes at TD, install a framework for action research? #eltchat
BobK99	12:30 PM	RT @JosetteLB: ...Def. of CT http://t.co/CHUkcyx7 #ELtchat > Thx. It's slow to load, but looks promising!
TailormadeEng	12:30 PM	RT @crystalannie: I think social media helps to encourage CT but still lots of Ts prefer to read/download than share/comment/ #eltchat>yes!
Shaunwilden	12:30 PM	@TailormadeEng Fair point I just think its harder in practice esp in many PL schools #eltchat
brad5patterson	12:30 PM	#blogmust 2day: But will this class fly? \| @scoopit http://t.co/esyubd9f by @kevchanwow #eltchat
CeciELT	12:30 PM	@Marisa_C @TeachEslToday Yep.... unfortunately #eltchat
jankenb2	12:30 PM	#eltchat A Ts belief in learning, ie Intell is malleable or fixed, shapes Ts ?s. So Ts a use of CT is essential if curriculum is 2B wide.
reasons4	12:31 PM	RT @TailormadeEng: RT @crystalannie: I think social media helps to encourage CT #ELTchat really I think it does the opposite..
michaelegriffin	12:31 PM	@CeciELT other aspects = lack of experience/training/practice,wanting"right answer" and not seeing payoff of critical thinking. #ELTchat
CeciELT	12:31 PM	I believe the whole concept of recipes (either as TD or T practice) is the exact opposite of CT #eltchat
Marisa_C	12:31 PM	@TailormadeEng that's cos everyone calls themself a teacher trainer these days :-) #eltchat
AlexandraKouk	12:31 PM	@TailormadeEng @crystalannie it's always safer to avoid stating your opinino ... or is it? #eltchat
PatrickAndrews	12:32 PM	@AlexandraKouk @TailormadeEng @crystalannie But stating opinion is not as imp as developing arguments #eltchat
LukeMeddings	12:32 PM	RT @CeciELT: I believe the whole concept of recipes (either as TD or T practice) is the exact opposite of CT #eltchat
jankenb2	12:32 PM	@TammyVine @Marisa_C @AlexandraKouk #eltchat What are your beliefs on knowledge? Are we born intell or made? Is error growth or failure?
Shaunwilden	12:32 PM	@CeciELT I dont know about opposite but tchrs need to move use CT to decide how recipes might work for them #eltchat
CeciELT	12:32 PM	RT @michaelegriffin: other aspects = lack of experience/training,wanting"right answer" and not seeing payoff of critical thinking. #ELTchat
michaelegriffin	12:32 PM	RT @CeciELT: I believe the whole concept of recipes (either as TD or T practice) is the exact opposite of CT #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono	12:32 PM	@CeciELT @Marisa_C I know some of my teachers who refused CT among us future teachers for they weren't ready to have their own TD #eltchat
Shaunwilden	12:33 PM	@CeciELT Then we agree fully :-) #eltchat
jankenb2	12:33 PM	#eltchat @AlexandraKouk @TailormadeEng @crystalannie argumentation is a CT skill that can be explicitly taught from middle school on.
CeciELT	12:33 PM	@Shaunwilden Agree. I guess what I meant was the idea of a recipe being something you just follow - not employing CT #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono	12:33 PM	RT @Marisa_C: As @AlexandraKouk pointed out a crticical/reflective T more likely to produce critical/reflective Ss #ELtchat
PatrickAndrews	12:33 PM	@CeciELT Agree unless it is clear they are just starting points #eltchat
Marisa_C	12:33 PM	@jankenb2 Tall order for 140 #eltchat
AlexandraKouk	12:33 PM	@jankenb2 @TammyVine @Marisa_C #eltchat imo a mixture of both: nature and nurture
MrChrisJWilson	12:33 PM	@reasons4 @TailormadeEng @crystalannie Do you mean social media or just the internet, by nature SM encourages comments and opinions #eltchat
jobethsteel	12:33 PM	‚Äú@NikkiFortova: RT @reasons4: #eltchat hard to foster in TD prog cos trainers scared T will ask questions can't answer / challenge ideas‚Äù
reasons4	12:34 PM	RT @MrChrisJWilson: @reasons4 @TailormadeEng @crystalannie I read it on twittyer it must be true ,mentality #eltchat
theteacherjames	12:34 PM	RT @CeciELT: I believe the whole concept of recipes (either as TD or T practice) is the exact opposite of CT #eltchat
Shaunwilden	12:34 PM	RT @michaelegriffin: #ELTchat Sorry to be the "buzzkill" but why CT? Why do we need it? Why do teachers need it? (49% serious question)
michaelegriffin	12:34 PM	#ELTchat Sorry to be the "buzzkill" but why CT? Why do we need it? Why do teachers need it? (49% serious question)
DaveDodgson	12:34 PM	By @englishraven e-Portfolios away! http://t.co/qG6759m9 #ELTchat
TailormadeEng	12:34 PM	@MrChrisJWilson but not always as forthcoming as they could be in my experience Great activities should be shared #eltchat
Shaunwilden	12:35 PM	RT @LukeMeddings: CT implies participating actively in discourse rather than consuming passively,maybe if you repurpose a recipe.. #ELTchat
jankenb2	12:35 PM	@CeciELT @Shaunwilden #eltchat CT in teacher ed is scary...we don't always have a book 2 tel us what ? is the right 1 to probe a biased pt.
MrChrisJWilson	12:35 PM	#eltchat People seam very against Methodologies but can't they cause awareness of an aspect of teaching thus far neglected?
AlexandraKouk	12:35 PM	@michaelegriffin to avoid digesting everything indiscriminately? #eltchat
TeachEslToday	12:35 PM	Good talking today, I go to go now, thanks everyone #eltchat
LukeMeddings	12:35 PM	CT implies participating actively in discourse rather than consuming passively.. so maybe if you repurpose a recipe.. #ELTchat
Marisa_C	12:35 PM	@michaelegriffin Cos they would otherwise adopt anything sold to them unthinkingly whether course, method or material #ELTchat
jobethsteel	12:35 PM	‚Äú@TammyVine: RT @Marisa_C: As @AlexandraKouk pointed out criticical/reflective T more likely produce critical/reflective Ss #ELtchat Agree
Shaunwilden	12:35 PM	Can we save non chat tweets til after #eltchat has finished please
TailormadeEng	12:35 PM	@michaelegriffin I think it's an invaluable skill in today's increasingly competitive world #eltchat
theteacherjames	12:36 PM	@michaelegriffin Because without CT there is no content, no point, nothing to get your teeth into! Why bother otherwise? #ELTchat
TailormadeEng	12:36 PM	@MrChrisJWilson I agree, what's important though is not to throw the baby out with bathwater each time smth new comes along eg tech #eltchat
reasons4	12:36 PM	RT @CeciELT: I believe the whole concept of recipes is the exact opposite of CT #eltchat >but it's useful for busy t's and they like it
Marisa_C	12:36 PM	Are we working under the assumption that CT is something that can be developed in Ts and Ss then ... I guess so #ELTchat
MrChrisJWilson	12:36 PM	@reasons4 @TailormadeEng as opposed to I read it in a book so it must be true [admittedly books are hopefully more researched] #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono	12:36 PM	@TeachEslToday Glad to have you here, love the opinions #eltchat
CeciELT	12:36 PM	@michaelegriffin I think all jobs need CT, but Ts especially, because we're helping educate people. We have a social responsibility #ELTchat
michaelegriffin	12:36 PM	RT@TailormadeEng fin I think it's an invaluable skill in today's increasingly competitive world #eltchat >>But why? why important? :)
PatrickAndrews	12:36 PM	@michaelegriffin needed for our and learners' lives. Also need to be critical about how we teach and learn #eltchat
ncguerreiro	12:37 PM	RT @TailormadeEng: @MrChrisJWilson I agree, what's important though is not to throw the baby out with bathwater each time smth new comes along eg tech #eltchat
michaelegriffin	12:37 PM	@AlexandraKouk @Marisa_C @TailormadeEng Thanks for the answers!! #ELTchat
Shaunwilden	12:37 PM	@Marisa_C We seem to be though developing it isn't always easy #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:37 PM	@MrChrisJWilson #eltchat i think nearly all methodologies have taught us something
Marisa_C	12:37 PM	My Avatar and Me: I watched the film My Avatar and Me through last night, twice in fact. It has... http://t.co/LnDdEPqm #ELTchat #edtech
AlexandraKouk	12:37 PM	RT @CeciELT: @michaelegriffin I think all jobs need CT, but Ts especially, because we're helping educate people. We have a social responsibility #ELTchat
theteacherjames	12:38 PM	@Marisa_C I teach adults who need to have their CT skills worked on. They're getting 2 skills for the price of 1! #ELTchat
TailormadeEng	12:38 PM	@MrChrisJWilson fair point #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson	12:38 PM	RT @pysproblem81: @MrChrisJWilson methodologies are useful as a starting point, but need to be evaluated critically #eltchat
ncguerreiro	12:38 PM	RT @CeciELT: @michaelegriffin I think all jobs need CT, but Ts especially, because we're helping educate people. We have a social responsibility #ELTchat
MrChrisJWilson	12:38 PM	@TailormadeEng Sometimes we need to take things to extremes to see the hidden negatives and positives. [not for day 2 day teaching] #eltchat
CeciELT	12:38 PM	@reasons4 True. It's not being willing or not seeing the payoff in CT even when you have the time that bothers me #eltchat
ncguerreiro	12:38 PM	RT @reasons4: RT @CeciELT: I believe the whole concept of recipes is the exact opposite of CT #eltchat >but it's useful for busy t's and they like it
pysproblem81	12:38 PM	@MrChrisJWilson methodologies are useful as a starting point, but need to be evaluated critically #eltchat
JosetteLB	12:39 PM	@CeciELT @michaelegriffin w/out critical thinking I fear cultural awareness and other sensitive social matters be lost on Ts #ELTchat
MrChrisJWilson	12:39 PM	@pysproblem81 @reasons4 @TailormadeEng true, then we have blogs and links to expand the depth #eltchat #eltchat
Marisa_C	12:39 PM	@theteacherjames Well, some Ts might object to this - it's the attitude of ELT teacher as language dispenser, not an educator #ELTchat
CeciELT	12:39 PM	RT @LukeMeddings: @Marisa_C I think so - CT is part of our wider participation in the world, a refusal to take any public 'narrative' at face value #ELTchat
PatrickAndrews	12:39 PM	@reasons4 @CeciELT As long as teachers are evaluative and critical of the recipes #eltchat
Shaunwilden	12:39 PM	@pysproblem81 @MrChrisJWilson @reasons4 @TailormadeEng Oh enhance it by building curiosity? #eltchat
LukeMeddings	12:39 PM	@Marisa_C I think so - CT is part of our wider participation in the world, a refusal to take any public 'narrative' at face value #ELTchat
crystalannie	12:39 PM	RT @CeciELT: @michaelegriffin I think all jobs need CT, but Ts especially, because we're helping educate people. We have a social responsibility #ELTchat
ncguerreiro	12:39 PM	RT @LukeMeddings: CT implies participating actively in discourse rather than consuming passively.. so maybe if you repurpose a recipe.. #ELTchat
pysproblem81	12:39 PM	@MrChrisJWilson @reasons4 @TailormadeEng Does Twitter brevity impede CT? I think it prob does #eltchat
josepopoff	12:40 PM	It's not SoMe in itself that'll help you do CT, it's how you use it. You're all here now reflecting on your practice. #eltchat
pysproblem81	12:40 PM	@reasons4 @ncguerreiro @CeciELT Can you reflect critically on recipes? do you think Ts do? #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:40 PM	@MrChrisJWilson ah just said the same thing! : ) #eltchat
Marisa_C	12:40 PM	@michaelegriffin so right !!! #eltchat
CeciELT	12:40 PM	RT @JosetteLB: @CeciELT @michaelegriffin w/out critical thinking I fear cultural awareness and other sensitive social matters be lost on Ts #ELTchat
TailormadeEng	12:40 PM	RT @pysproblem81: Does Twitter brevity impede CT? I think it prob does #eltchat>agree, but blogs/comments are good avenues for this
lclandfield	12:41 PM	@LukeMeddings @Marisa_C Sometimes a distinction is drawn between CT and CL (critical literacy) #eltchat
reasons4	12:41 PM	RT @pysproblem81: @reasons4 @ncguerreiro @CeciELT Can you reflect critically on recipes? #eltchat I encourage them t in the sessions
MrChrisJWilson	12:41 PM	@reasons4 @pysproblem81 @TailormadeEng books are dangerous, they look offical but hide ulterior motives...selling books! #eltchat
jankenb2	12:41 PM	#eltchat @Marisa_C Content & CT strategies is always better than content and rote mem. Bloom's is process...lots of content is in curriculum
CeciELT	12:41 PM	How about fostering CT while YOU are the one giving the TD??? Not easy, don't think many can do it. Scary methinks. #eltchat
ncguerreiro	12:41 PM	RT @JosetteLB: @CeciELT @michaelegriffin w/out critical thinking I fear cultural awareness and other sensitive social matters be lost on Ts #ELTchat
theteacherjames	12:41 PM	@Marisa_C Yes, I completely reject this notion, it actually offends me a bit. Why wouldn't you want your students (or me) to think? #ELTchat
Marisa_C	12:41 PM	RT @LukeMeddings: CT is part of our wider participation in the world, a refusal to take any public 'narrative' at face value #ELTchat
reasons4	12:41 PM	RT @MrChrisJWilson: @pysproblem81 @reasons4 @TailormadeEng #eltchat > blogs are dangerous, they look official but hide ulterior motives
ncguerreiro	12:41 PM	@CeciELT #ELTchat neglecting CT is sth even some TD books r to blame! they seem 2 dumb everything down so "teachers will understand". c'mon!
TailormadeEng	12:42 PM	@AlexandraKouk interesting point, and I think after taking the initial 'jump' it can certainly build confidence #eltchat
michaelegriffin	12:42 PM	Sorry 4 the sidetrack folks! Please don't feel the need to respond to my "Why?" I'm satisfied. Love 2 hear more "how"if possible? #ELTchat
Marisa_C	12:42 PM	RT @lclandfield: @LukeMeddings @Marisa_C Sometimes a distinction is drawn between CT and CL (critical literacy) #eltchat > CL I mean
Shaunwilden	12:42 PM	@CeciELT Scary? Surely leaving room for reflection and allowing Q&A helps that? #eltchat
CeciELT	12:42 PM	RT @lclandfield: @LukeMeddings @Marisa_C Sometimes a distinction is drawn between CT and CL (critical literacy) #eltchat > Good point!
Marisa_C	12:42 PM	RT @lclandfield: @LukeMeddings @Marisa_C Sometimes a distinction is drawn between CT and CL (critical literacy) #eltchat >expanc on LC?
ncguerreiro	12:42 PM	@pysproblem81 @reasons4 @CeciELT i'd sure like to believe i can reflect on recipes! #eltchat
LukeMeddings	12:42 PM	RT @CeciELT: @michaelegriffin I think all jobs need CT, but Ts especially, because we're helping educate people. We have a social responsibility #ELTchat
LukeMeddings	12:42 PM	@reasons4: 'but [recipes are] useful for busy t's & they like it' > McDonalds is useful for busy parents & they like it ;) need CT #ELTchat
CeciELT	12:42 PM	@pysproblem81 @reasons4 @ncguerreiro I don't think many do.... but we have to be hopeful, eh? #eltchat
SimonGreenall	12:43 PM	RT @SimonGreenall: @lclandfield Also between text/discourse analysis and thinking critically about ideas. #ELTchat
lclandfield	12:43 PM	@SimonGreenall Exactly. Critical thinking can be apolitical in that sense #eltchat
Marisa_C	12:43 PM	RT @SimonGreenall: @lclandfield Also between text/discourse analysis and thinking critically about ideas. > #ELTchat
JosetteLB	12:43 PM	@BobK99 happy to help! #eltchat
CeciELT	12:43 PM	@Shaunwilden Scary if you lack confidence :-) #eltchat
Shaunwilden	12:43 PM	@LukeMeddings Look dogme I can just about put up with but when you start having a go at Macdonalds we're going to fall out :-) #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson	12:43 PM	@LukeMeddings @reasons4 McDonalds give recipes now? I always change the recipe in the cookbook anyway and experiment #eltchat
Shaunwilden	12:44 PM	@CeciELT True but then isn't that what a trainer should be doing? #eltchat
PatrickAndrews	12:44 PM	@michaelegriffin How can be achieved by looking at alternatives and why one form is used rather than another. #eltchat
AlexandraKouk	12:44 PM	@Marisa_C @SimonGreenall @lclandfield #eltchat Perhaps CT goes beyond the mechanics of analysing a text / method / idea?
Marisa_C	12:44 PM	@SimonGreenall no worries - put it in #ELTchat
theteacherjames	12:44 PM	@jankenb2 @Marisa_C Oh yes, it's a gradual process, whether individually or at a society wide level. #eltchat
LukeMeddings	12:44 PM	‚Äú@lclandfield: @Marisa_C Smtms a distinction is drawn between CT & CL (critical literacy) #ELTchat‚Äù > So can we encourage CT by teaching CL?
Marisa_C	12:44 PM	@lclandfield Hence not abdicating role as educators but meeting it head on #Eltchat
SimonGreenall	12:44 PM	#ELTchat sorry missed the hashtag.
TailormadeEng	12:44 PM	@michaelegriffin I think by using knowledge of your context eg 'would that work with my Ss?' then trying and evaluating #eltchat
CeciELT	12:44 PM	@AlexandraKouk I think it does #eltchat
reasons4	12:45 PM	in TD 'recipe' sessions I always say to Ts I hope there's 1 thing you'll never use cos it won't work with for you. #eltchat encouraging ct
Marisa_C	12:45 PM	How can incorporated CT into a TD programme - or how can help Ts develop it autonomously? #ELTchat
yitzha_sarwono	12:45 PM	@theteacherjames @michaelegriffin I sure need to learn a lot from you guys then :) #eltchat
CeciELT	12:45 PM	RT @Shaunwilden: @CeciELT True but then isn't that what a trainer should be doing? #eltchat > Should being the operative word here ;-)
jankenb2	12:45 PM	#eltchat @CeciELT When Ts engage in reflection & receive feedback they learn of their epistemic beliefs & calibrate them 2 diff situations
ncguerreiro	12:45 PM	think CT/CL r impt. having said that, do adults respond well 2 it in an EFL class? esp w/ a younger teacher? #ELTchat
SimonGreenall	12:45 PM	@BrunoELT #ELTchat You should work in China!
TailormadeEng	12:45 PM	@LukeMeddings I think it certainly has a positive effect #eltchat
Marisa_C	12:46 PM	@CeciELT te he he - very cynical #eltchat
CeciELT	12:46 PM	RT @BrunoELT: hidden agendas are always a diff topic concerning CT 4 teachers in Brazil. some ppl are afraid to think #eltchat > some can't
theteacherjames	12:46 PM	@michaelegriffin I think we're lucky! I'll take that over compliance & blind acceptance any day. #eltchat
AlexandraKouk	12:46 PM	RT @Marisa_C: How can incorporated CT into a TD programme - or how can help Ts develop it autonomously? #ELTchat
LukeMeddings	12:46 PM	RT @theteacherjames: @michaelegriffin I can't separate CT from my teaching, my learning, the things I watch & do. The alternative means switching off. #eltchat
LukeMeddings	12:46 PM	RT @Shaunwilden: @LukeMeddings Look dogme I can just about put up with but when you start having a go at Macdonalds we're going to fall out :-) #eltchat
Shaunwilden	12:46 PM	RT @lclandfield: I think you can have CT without CL (sticking just to text analysis) but you can't have CL without CT.#eltchat
MrChrisJWilson	12:47 PM	#eltchat class in half an hour. Thanks for the chat :)
reasons4	12:47 PM	RT @LukeMeddings: @Shaunwilden Ha ha ok mine's a Big Mac meal (medium, mind, don't want to be unhealthy) #ELTchat stop I'm on diet :-(
TailormadeEng	12:47 PM	Is there a reciprocal relationship between CT and confidence, in both learners and Ts? #eltchat
CeciELT	12:47 PM	@lclandfield @LukeMeddings @Marisa_C care to expand on how to have St w/o Cl, Lindsay? (maybe twitter not the best medium for this) #eltchat
lclandfield	12:47 PM	Just trying to dig up a great link on Critical thinking and literacy from a group of Brazilian English teachers... #eltchat
LukeMeddings	12:47 PM	@Shaunwilden Ha ha ok mine's a Big Mac meal (medium, mind, don't want to be unhealthy) #ELTchat
ncguerreiro	12:47 PM	RT @reasons4: in TD 'recipe' sessions I always say to Ts I hope there's 1 thing you'll never use cos it won't work with for you. #eltchat encouraging ct
ncguerreiro	12:47 PM	@Shaunwilden @lclandfield @LukeMeddings i agree tho that CL can be a gateway for CT, esp. in a language class. #ELTchat
jankenb2	12:48 PM	#eltchat the curricular and institutional constraints Ts face, & Ss contributions (or lack thereof) 2 classroom exchange w/ < evidence of CT
CeciELT	12:48 PM	RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C @BrunoELT cyncial maybe but it is true many cultures not taught to CT they need baby steps #eltchat > Exactly
pysproblem81	12:48 PM	#eltchat What do u think of this 4 critical approach? Action for ESOL manifesto here: bit.ly/ESOLmanifesto
TailormadeEng	12:48 PM	@lclandfield would be very useful for my purposes please! #eltchat
Shaunwilden	12:48 PM	@Marisa_C @CeciELT @BrunoELT cyncial maybe but it is true many cultures not taught to CT they need baby steps #eltchat
jobethsteel	12:48 PM	RT @Shaunwilden: @LukeMeddings Look dogme I can just about put up with but when you start having a go at Macdonalds we're going to fall out :-) #eltchat
ncguerreiro	12:49 PM	RT @CeciELT: RT @BrunoELT: hidden agendas are always a diff topic concerning CT 4 teachers in Brazil. some ppl are afraid to think #eltchat > some can't
TailormadeEng	12:49 PM	@Shaunwilden This is a problem I face on a daily basis #eltchat
Marisa_C	12:49 PM	@CeciELT agree - trad learning background makes it that much more difficult for some to be critical #eltchat
lclandfield	12:49 PM	@CeciELT @LukeMeddings @Marisa_C Yes, maybe twitter will be hard to expound at length but still looking for that link... #eltchat
NikkiFortova	12:49 PM	RT @Shaunwilden: cyncial maybe but it is true many cultures not taught to CT they need baby steps #eltchat > CZ a prime example
AlexandraKouk	12:50 PM	CT also helps avoid boredom (often associated with blind recipe following) in class and in personal TD and training! #eltchat
PatrickAndrews	12:50 PM	@CeciELT @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C @BrunoELT Always wonder though whether it is they are not critical but just do not speak critically #eltchat
pysproblem81	12:50 PM	@lclandfield @SimonGreenall Can education (or communication) ever be completely apolitical? #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono	12:50 PM	@CeciELT @BrunoELT I suppose it's everywhere too then, not just in developing country like Indonesia #eltchat
Shaunwilden	12:50 PM	@NikkiFortova True thats why they have @reasons4 to have them take those steps :-) #eltchat
jobethsteel	12:51 PM	@CeciELT @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C @BrunoELT #eltchat Defo true in Spain.
PatrickAndrews	12:51 PM	@pysproblem81 @lclandfield @SimonGreenall I don't think it can be apolitical #eltchat
jankenb2	12:51 PM	#eltchat what is the importance of integrating the various dimensions of Ts ability of CT into metacognition, self-regulation and learning?
josepopoff	12:51 PM	Will be delivering a TD session tomorrow, so this convo came in timely. Thank you all, but gotta go now. Enjoy your meal! #eltchat
reasons4	12:51 PM	RT @pysproblem81: @lclandfield @SimonGreenall Can education (or communication) ever be completely apolitical? #eltchat >no
CeciELT	12:51 PM	RT @lclandfield: I think there's a lot of CT going on in ELT already - in terms of thinking of metdlogy > Agree, & not only re met. #eltchat
ncguerreiro	12:51 PM	@Marisa_C @CeciELT TESOL tradition of PARSNIPS is also a contrast to CT/CL. #ELTchat
PatrickAndrews	12:51 PM	@Marisa_C @CeciELT I think people everywhere often think critically but contexts sometimes mean thoughts are not expressed. #eltchat
AlexandraKouk	12:51 PM	‚Äú@pysproblem81: @lclandfield @SimonGreenall Can education (or communication) ever be completely apolitical? #eltchat‚Äù >good question! imo no
Shaunwilden	12:51 PM	@PatrickAndrews @CeciELT @Marisa_C @BrunoELT Perhaps both though back to the czech context there is a lot of I think what you think #eltchat
reasons4	12:51 PM	RT @Shaunwilden: @NikkiFortova True thats why they have @reasons4 to have them take those steps :-) #eltchat ha I'm a hopeless baby-sitter
CeciELT	12:52 PM	@PatrickAndrews @Marisa_C Bulls eye! #eltchat
AlexandraKouk	12:52 PM	RT @PatrickAndrews: @Marisa_C @CeciELT I think people everywhere often think critically but contexts sometimes mean thoughts are not expressed. #eltchat
lclandfield	12:52 PM	Damn, cannot find the link. Twas a British Council project in Brazil about critical literacy. #eltchat
Shaunwilden	12:52 PM	RT @jankenb2: #eltchat what is the impof integrating various dimensions of Ts ability of CT into metacognition, self-regulation & learning?
CeciELT	12:52 PM	RT @PatrickAndrews: @Marisa_C I think ppl everywhere often think critically but contexts sometimes mean thoughts are not expressed. #eltchat
BobK99	12:52 PM	@Marisa_C #eltchat Yes - I moderate an ELT forum (UsingEnglish.com) on which one trad educated oldster said 'The teacher can't be wrong' :)
SimonGreenall	12:52 PM	RT @pysproblem81: @lclandfield Can education (or communication) ever be completely apolitical? #eltchat> prob not always a message somewhere
theteacherjames	12:52 PM	@yitzha_sarwono Some of my (& @aliceyoon1230) thoughts on critical thinking & education. #eltchat
Shaunwilden	12:53 PM	RT @lclandfield: @SimonGreenall Can education be purely apolitical? No it can't. But some think that language education should be. #eltchat
jankenb2	12:53 PM	@PatrickAndrews #eltchat agree. How safe is it for you to ask questions about the trustworthiness of the available information for example?
PatrickAndrews	12:53 PM	@ncguerreiro @Marisa_C @CeciELT But is this not just topics rather than critical in the sense of being sceptical? #eltchat
ncguerreiro	12:53 PM	RT @CeciELT: RT @lclandfield: I think there's a lot of CT going on in ELT already - in terms of thinking of metdlogy > Agree, & not only re met. #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:53 PM	@lclandfield Is this it? http://t.co/F6WedXI2 #eltchat
LukeMeddings	12:54 PM	what we don't need now is another two-letter acronym that starts with C - I'm ok with CL and CT.. I think.. as part of my CPnoooo #ELTchat
reasons4	12:54 PM	RT @Shaunwilden: @PatrickAndrews @CeciELT @Marisa_C @BrunoELT czech context #eltchat or even worse is it going to be on the test
pysproblem81	12:54 PM	@lclandfield can't ever think of CT and Brasil without thinking about Freire... #eltchat
jobethsteel	12:54 PM	‚Äú@PatrickAndrews: @Marisa_C @CeciELT people everywhere think critically but contexts mean thoughts not expressed. #eltchat‚Äù or ideas applied
AlexandraKouk	12:55 PM	RT @Marisa_C: Do school leaders want Ts who are critical thinkers? #ELtchat
jankenb2	12:55 PM	#eltchat is CT a skill, a strategy, a belief system or a knowledge system? How complex is CT to teach? Is CT limited 2 learning by modeling?
TailormadeEng	12:55 PM	@LukeMeddings I'm all for 2-letter acronyms, far too many TLAs (3-letters) in EFL #eltchat
SimonGreenall	12:55 PM	@Shaunwilden Thank you Shaun #ELTchat
Marisa_C	12:55 PM	Do school leaders want Ts who are critical thinkers? #ELtchat
ncguerreiro	12:55 PM	@PatrickAndrews @Marisa_C @CeciELT 2 me the idea of PARSNIPS includes a "neutral, uncontroversial" sanitized attitude 2 the topics. #ELTchat
LukeMeddings	12:55 PM	RT @pysproblem81: @lclandfield can't ever think of CT and Brasil without thinking about Freire... #eltchat
Shaunwilden	12:55 PM	RT @SimonGreenall: RT @lclandfield: @pysproblem81 .> even LT methodolgy is politicized. #eltchat
jankenb2	12:56 PM	@PatrickAndrews@Marisa_C @CeciELT #eltchat isn't skepticism a good thing? Why not foster a healthy respect for skepticism?
gknightbkk	12:56 PM	Julian Edge talks of TD as being intellectual comprehension (training) or experiential understanding (e.g. action research) #eltchat
theteacherjames	12:56 PM	RT @theteacherjames: @yitzha_sarwono Some of my (& @aliceyoon1230) thoughts on critical thinking & education http://t.co/4fTblREV #eltchat
CeciELT	12:56 PM	@pysproblem81 @lclandfield He was a key element in fostering CT here and everywhere #eltchat
LukeMeddings	12:56 PM	‚Äú@pysproblem81: can't ever think of CT & Brasil w/out thinking about Freire #eltchat‚Äù This suggests dialogue is a key component in CT/CL/C..
reasons4	12:56 PM	RT @TailormadeEng: @LukeMeddings I'm all for 2-letter acronyms, far too many TLAs (3-letters) in EFL #eltchat > funny
BobK99	12:56 PM	Gotta go. Cold room - toes dropping off! Thanks for #eltchat ;)
lclandfield	12:56 PM	@SimonGreenall @pysproblem81 I once heard that the Oxford Dictionary made a special version for Soviet Union - changed definitions. #ELTchat
pysproblem81	12:56 PM	@Shaunwilden @SimonGreenall @lclandfield not teaching but u should read Mona Baker on translation on that topic#eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:56 PM	@Marisa_C yes in the classroom, but not when it comes to pay/conditions #eltchat
reasons4	12:57 PM	#eltchat does British politeness get in the way of Critical thinking?
ncguerreiro	12:57 PM	RT @Marisa_C: Do school leaders want Ts who are critical thinkers? #ELtchat
AlexandraKouk	12:57 PM	What can teacher trainers do to foster CT in trainees? #eltchat
Marisa_C	12:57 PM	RT @lclandfield: RT @Marisa_C Do school leaders want Ts who are critical thinkers? - DO GOVERNMENTS? #ELtchat > Exactly thanks
PatrickAndrews	12:57 PM	@jankenb2 Yes, good question - need for teacher to be sensitive #eltchat
CeciELT	12:57 PM	RT @pysproblem81: not teaching but u should read Mona Baker on translation on that topic#eltchat > Link?
lclandfield	12:57 PM	RT @Marisa_C Do school leaders want Ts who are critical thinkers? - DO GOVERNMENTS? #ELtchat
Shaunwilden	12:57 PM	RT @gknightbkk: Julian Edge talks of TD as being intellectual comprehension (training) or experiential understanding #eltchat
michaelegriffin	12:57 PM	I think i lost track of #ELTchat here but I wonder if you know the ham story? I like 2 share w/ teachers I work with. http://t.co/xdgv1Su8
jobethsteel	12:57 PM	@Marisa_C Not always, especially if they're not confident themselves. #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono	12:57 PM	Great #eltchat as always, gotta go now though. See you guys next week then :)
kevchanwow	12:57 PM	my daughter's down with with the flu. Missed ELTchat, but spinning stories of fish, frozen waterfalls and dragons helped her fall asleep.
gknightbkk	12:57 PM	Teachers can articulate their 'experiential understanding' if given the right opportunity, which includes a cooperative listener #eltchat
ncguerreiro	12:57 PM	@pysproblem81 @lclandfield love freire but it was the 1st book my trainer gave me.swoosh over my head. maybe i needed recipes then? #eltchat
Shaunwilden	12:57 PM	Ok last few minutes, time for some final conclusions, reflections etc #eltchat
TailormadeEng	12:57 PM	RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: @yitzha_sarwono Some of my (& @aliceyoon1230) thoughts on critical thinking & education http://t.co/4fTblREV #eltchat
CeciELT	12:58 PM	I don't think experience is essential to CT in TD, but many ppl think that way #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson	12:58 PM	#eltchat one last thought is it possible to be a critical non thinker ;-)
Shaunwilden	12:58 PM	@reasons4 How do you mean? #eltchat
PatrickAndrews	12:58 PM	@ncguerreiro @Marisa_C @CeciELT Isn't it that some topics are avoided (eg alcohol) but you can think critically about other topics #eltchat
SimonGreenall	12:58 PM	RT @lclandfield: RT @Marisa_C Do school leaders want Ts who are critical thinkers? - DO GOVERNMENTS? #ELtchat> Some governments do.
Marisa_C	12:58 PM	RT @AlexandraKouk: What can teacher trainers do to foster CT in trainees? #eltchat > Encourage questioning and evaluation
TailormadeEng	12:58 PM	#eltchat guys I'm doing talk on CT & TD at Braz-TESOL this year (if accepted), some very useful ideas here today so thanks a million!
ncguerreiro	12:58 PM	RT @jankenb2: @PatrickAndrews #eltchat agree. How safe is it for you to ask questions about the trustworthiness of the available information for example?
JMGAssociates	12:58 PM	RT @Marisa_C: RT @lclandfield: RT @Marisa_C Do school leaders want Ts who are critical thinkers? - DO GOVERNMENTS? #ELtchat > Exactly thanks
PatrickAndrews	12:59 PM	@jankenb2 @CeciELT I think respectful scepticism is very helpful #eltchat
AlexandraKouk	12:59 PM	@MrChrisJWilson is it possible to be a non-thinker at all? #eltchat
lclandfield	12:59 PM	@Marisa_C Always find it curious that CT is coming onto curriculums in places where gov'ts would prefer docile subjects. #ELtchat
CeciELT	12:59 PM	@lclandfield @Marisa_C There might be exceptions in school leaders #ELtchat
web20education	12:59 PM	Blog post 3 #pad tools-collaborate online with your team #edtech20 #pln #engchat #cpchat #edchat #lrnchat #eltchat http://t.co/Sm4lVcmh
reasons4	12:59 PM	RT @Shaunwilden: #eltchat I mean people are too polite to say what they really think and thus don't foster constructive debate
jankenb2	12:59 PM	#eltchat @Marisa_C Not if NCLB continues to shape educ. But, when we embrace emergence and complexity as a reality we need CT Teachers
CeciELT	12:59 PM	RT @lclandfield: RT @Marisa_C Do school leaders want Ts who are critical thinkers? - DO GOVERNMENTS? #ELtchat Nope on both counts IMHO
SimonGreenall	1:00 PM	RT @lclandfield: @Marisa_C It's a way of managing political change in some governments. #ELtchat
ncguerreiro	1:00 PM	RT @CeciELT: RT @lclandfield: RT @Marisa_C Do school leaders want Ts who are critical thinkers? - DO GOVERNMENTS? #ELtchat Nope on both counts IMHO
TailormadeEng	1:00 PM	@MrChrisJWilson one last thought is it possible to be a critical non thinker ;-) or a non-criticla thinker? #eltchat
AlexandraKouk	1:00 PM	@jankenb2 @Marisa_C agreed! #eltchat
Marisa_C	1:00 PM	RT @CeciELT: @lclandfield @Marisa_C There might be exceptions in school leaders #ELtchat > One hopes
Shaunwilden	1:00 PM	RT @Marisa_C: RT @BarbaraPG: @Marisa_C GOOD question! {...}.. exceptional teachers, CT = key , so sometimes challenge leaders #eltchat
reasons4	1:01 PM	RT @AlexandraKouk: What can teacher trainers do to foster CT in trainees? #eltchat and that everythig they say is gospel. allow questions
Marisa_C	1:01 PM	I think that teacher trainers of the old school tended to discourage CT in trainees - blueprinting lessons/methods etc #ELtchat > no more
reasons4	1:01 PM	RT @AlexandraKouk: What can teacher trainers do to foster CT in trainees? #eltchat don't act like they are font of all knoweldge and ...
jankenb2	1:02 PM	@Marisa_C @AlexandraKouk #eltchat Demo what context plays in the use of CT pedagogy & how it impacts Ts selection of what Ss will learn.
theteacherjames	1:02 PM	New #ELTchat podcast uncut: Hear the full interview between @vickyloras & @cherrymp here http://t.co/FHoopWYy & on iTunes...
Shaunwilden	1:02 PM	RT @AlexandraKouk: lots of great ideas, passionate beliefs expressed and critical thinking, of course! Thank you for a fascinating #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono	1:02 PM	RT @Marisa_C: RT @lclandfield: RT @Marisa_C Do school leaders want Ts who are critical thinkers? - DO GOVERNMENTS? #ELtchat > Exactly thanks
Shaunwilden	1:02 PM	@reasons4 Am not sure, it doesnt stop me :-) #eltchat
AlexandraKouk	1:02 PM	lots of great ideas, passionate beliefs expressed and ... critical thinking, of course! Thank you for a fascinating #eltchat
TailormadeEng	1:03 PM	RT @Marisa_C: Hot discussion and I don't think we have covered all the important points - hope for a follow-up #ELtchat Yes please!
Marisa_C	1:03 PM	@PatrickAndrews thanks :-) making a note #eltchat
PatrickAndrews	1:03 PM	@Marisa_C I think Pennycook is good on the whole critical aspects - one book with title like Critical Applied Linguistics #eltchat
CeciELT	1:03 PM	RT @theteacherjames: New #ELTchat podcast uncut: Hear the full interview between @vickyloras & @cherrymp here http://t.co/FHoopWYy & on iTunes...
Marisa_C	1:03 PM	Hot discussion and I don't think we have covered all the important points - hope for a follow-up #ELtchat
Marisa_C	1:04 PM	@CeciELT we miss you too :-) #eltchat
ncguerreiro	1:04 PM	@Marisa_C i second that! follow-up needed! #eltchat
reasons4	1:04 PM	RT @Shaunwilden: The 21.00 #eltchat is Differences in approaches between regular classes and those with an exam focus (FCE, CPE, IELTS...)
Marisa_C	1:04 PM	Thanks to all for joining this #ELtchat - may I call for volunteers for the summary?
ncguerreiro	1:04 PM	RT @Marisa_C: Hot discussion and I don't think we have covered all the important points - hope for a follow-up #ELtchat
jankenb2	1:04 PM	#eltchat Thanks for a stimulating hour. Critical thinking....the best form of mental aerobics out there. Good day from Ankara all!
CeciELT	1:04 PM	Thanks moderators @Marisa_C and @Shaunwilden for the great chat - I had missed this!!! #eltchat
AlexandraKouk	1:04 PM	RT @lclandfield: @Marisa_C Thanks everyone. Look forward to follow ups. #ELtchat
reasons4	1:04 PM	RT @Shaunwilden: @reasons4 Am not sure, it doesnt stop me :-) #eltchat well no nor me :-)
Shaunwilden	1:04 PM	The 21.00 #eltchat is Differences in approaches between regular classes and those with an exam focus (FCE, CPE, IELTS...)
jobethsteel	1:04 PM	#eltchat Mum got me Prisoner 'I am not a number' badge when I was 13. Always been a CT! Working and lurking today. Thanks for chat! Bye!
lclandfield	1:04 PM	@Marisa_C Thanks everyone. Look forward to follow ups. #ELtchat
reasons4	1:04 PM	@Marisa_C #eltchat . agreed but good to focus more on students though maybe next time..
CeciELT	1:04 PM	@Marisa_C Me too :-) Hope I can take part in the follow-up as well #ELtchat
AlexandraKouk	1:05 PM	RT @SimonGreenall: #ELTchat Thank you Shaun and Marisa, and everyone.
Shaunwilden	1:05 PM	@TailormadeEng @Marisa_C Super. I'll send you the transcript in a bit #eltchat Thank you
TailormadeEng	1:05 PM	RT @Shaunwilden: If anyone would like to write the summary.... #eltchat I'll do it later today if you like.
ncguerreiro	1:05 PM	@jankenb2 @Marisa_C @AlexandraKouk yes!!! more case studies, fewer recipes. #eltchat
TailormadeEng	1:05 PM	RT @Marisa_C: Thanks to all for joining this #ELtchat - may I call for volunteers for the summary? I'll do it later today if you like
Shaunwilden	1:05 PM	If anyone would like to write the summary.... #eltchat
SimonGreenall	1:05 PM	#ELTchat Thank you Shaun and Marisa, and everyone.
ncguerreiro	1:05 PM	RT @jankenb2: @Marisa_C @AlexandraKouk #eltchat Demo what context plays in the use of CT pedagogy & how it impacts Ts selection of what Ss will learn.
theteacherjames	1:06 PM	RT @SimonGreenall: #ELTchat Thank you Shaun and Marisa, and everyone.
AlexandraKouk	1:06 PM	RT @Shaunwilden: The 21.00 #eltchat is Differences in approaches between regular classes and those with an exam focus (FCE, CPE, IELTS...)
theteacherjames	1:06 PM	RT @Marisa_C: Thanks to all for joining this #ELtchat - may I call for volunteers for the summary?
CeciELT	1:06 PM	Thanks everyone for the great chat - think everyone showed to be critically thinking ;-) #eltchat
michaelegriffin	1:07 PM	Thanks all for an interesting #ELTchat. My brain hurts, which is good.
Marisa_C	1:07 PM	Thanks and will try to include this topic in a future chat again soon #ELTchat
TailormadeEng	1:07 PM	#eltchat thanks for great ideas everyone today, if accepted, I'll being giving a talk on this at Braz-TESOL in Rio this year please come!
LukeMeddings	1:08 PM	me and @lclandfield hoping to contribute to CT in and out of class with our book '52' - debut title from @wetheround out very soon #ELTchat
TailormadeEng	1:08 PM	RT @michaelegriffin: Thanks all for an interesting #ELTchat. My brain hurts, which is good.> : )
Marisa_C	1:08 PM	RT @michaelegriffin: Thanks all for an interesting #ELTchat. My brain hurts, which is good. > Ha ha ha!!! Love this!
antoniaclare	1:09 PM	#eltchat Ahh - sorry to have just missed you all. Look forward to the summary ;)
reasons4	1:09 PM	RT @SimonGreenall: #ELTchat Thank you Shaun and Marisa, and everyone. > seconded
fionamau	1:10 PM	RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat Ahh - sorry to have just missed you all. Look forward to the summary ;) > Likewise. am just in the door
Tanya_twitt	1:10 PM	RT @Shaunwilden: The 21.00 #eltchat is Differences in approaches between regular classes and those with an exam focus (FCE, CPE, IELTS...)
Marisa_C	1:10 PM	@reasons4 @CeciELT #ELTchat cheers and thanks for joining! Old friends too :-) @SimonGreenall @lclandfield # @LukeMeddings #ELTchat
cybraryman1	1:10 PM	My Metaphors page (A Lesson Is a Journey‚ÄîKnowledge Is A Landscape) http://t.co/aZovk3JX #engchat #eltchat #esl
fionamau	1:11 PM	@Marisa_C #eltchat what's the topic tonight? would like to join in
Marisa_C	1:11 PM	See you all later tonight back to TP's now #Eltchat
Shaunwilden	1:12 PM	@fionamau The 21.00 #eltchat is Differences in approaches between regular classes and those with an exam focus (FCE, CPE, IELTS...)