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How to help students remember and reuse functional language

Page history last edited by Marisa Constantinides 12 years, 1 month ago

#eltchat on February 1st at 12.00 p.m. gmt

 

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worldteacher 2/1/2012 2:00 PM Joining #eltchat today for the first time in ages - will have to leave early though as I'm attending a #yltsig webinar later
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:01 PM @worldteacher hi Andrea! great to see you - And you@yitzha_sarwono   #ELTchat @Shaunwilden moderating with me - as usual :-) Welcome all
OUPELTGlobal 2/1/2012 2:01 PM present! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:01 PM @Marisa_C I'm here :-) #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:01 PM @Marisa_C I'm here :-) #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 2/1/2012 2:01 PM Hi everyone, looking forward to the discussion today, always like discussions on helping students learn.  #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2/1/2012 2:01 PM Hi everyone, looking forward to the discussion today, always like discussions on helping students learn.  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:02 PM RT @Raquel_EFL: @Marisa_C  #ELTchat   How would we define functional language?  #genuinequestion
worldteacher 2/1/2012 2:02 PM @Marisa_C Thanks! Good to be here #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:02 PM Can someone explain the topic to me, I want to make sure I understand it said the unsure moderator :-) #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:02 PM @Raquel_EFL @cybraryman1  Welcome, welcome  #ELTchat
IHRoma 2/1/2012 2:02 PM @ihroma @dalecoulter I am now tweeting under the name of IH Roma - Manzoni, please follow, retweet and follow!! #eltchat #elt #efl
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:03 PM @Marisa_C @Raquel_EFL I presumed it meant exponents used in things like requests etc? #ELTchat
michaelegriffin 2/1/2012 2:03 PM #ELTchat Here! Wondering if we are going to talk about computer programming tonight? 
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:03 PM RT @Raquel_EFL: @Marisa_C  #ELTchat   How would we define functional language?  #genuinequestion > Key question methinks!!!
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:04 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: I thought it was language for making suggestions, offering to help, etc. no? #eltchat me too :-)
OUPELTGlobal 2/1/2012 2:04 PM I thought it was language for making suggestions, offering to help, etc. no? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:04 PM So what's in a function - anyone up to giving us a definition? you don't have to be Halliday (or even Johnny Halliday :-) #eltchat
AnneSinclair1 2/1/2012 2:04 PM #ELTchat Hello!
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:05 PM @josepopoff wow 6am it's impressive you're here then :-) #ELTchat
michaelegriffin 2/1/2012 2:05 PM #ELTchat My first thought was lng that fulfills specific functions so: apologizing, interrupting, thanking, taking leave that kinda stuff
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:05 PM exponent = technical word meaning much the same as an 'example of' used for functions   #eltchat
josepopoff 2/1/2012 2:05 PM Good morning everyone, 6 am here. #eltchat
AnneSinclair1 2/1/2012 2:05 PM #ELTchat language for telephoning etc
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:05 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @OUPELTGlobal: I thought it was language for making suggestions, offering to help, etc. no? #eltchat me too :-)
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:06 PM @Raquel_EFL don't get everyone confused re notions and functions - not the same  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:06 PM @josepopoff Cheers Jose join in  #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 2/1/2012 2:06 PM @Marisa_C @worldteacher @Shaunwilden glad to be able to join too. been having net problems the last few weeks :)#eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:06 PM It's looking like we all agree on the defintion then #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:06 PM @AnneSinclair1 Welcome Anne! #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:07 PM @SimonGreenall Thank you Mister academic :-) #ELTchat
SimonGreenall 2/1/2012 2:07 PM #ELTchat@Marisa_C  Bless you!
yitzha_sarwono 2/1/2012 2:07 PM RT @Marisa_C: "exponent" = technical word meaning much the same as an 'example of' used for functions   #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:07 PM RT @SimonGreenall: Functions and their exponents are the practical realization in language acts of theoretical structures. #ELTchat > OMG!!
SimonGreenall 2/1/2012 2:07 PM Many grammar structures can be used in different functional exponents.  #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 2/1/2012 2:07 PM Is this language more difficult to remember, use/reuse than any other language?  #eltchat
worldteacher 2/1/2012 2:07 PM Language for a purpose - ordering in a restaurant, making requests, suggestions, apologies, using the phone, giving directions, etc.#eltchat
SimonGreenall 2/1/2012 2:07 PM Functions and their exponents are the practical realization in language acts of theoretical structures. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:07 PM @Raquel_EFL :-D u delter  #ELTchat
SimonGreenall 2/1/2012 2:08 PM #ELTchat Well, we worked with Jan van Ek  and John Trim on the revision of Threshold Level in 1990.
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:08 PM @AnneSinclair1 Why? I dont mind either :-) #ELTchat
AnneSinclair1 2/1/2012 2:08 PM I prefer teaching functions to grammar #ELTchat
worldteacher 2/1/2012 2:08 PM @OUPELTGlobal I wouldn't have thought that it was really #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:08 PM @SimonGreenall Hya dear Simon - shall I mention now semantico-grammatical terminology to make all dizzy?  #ELTchat
AnneSinclair1 2/1/2012 2:09 PM oops more #ELTCHAT
TeachEslToday 2/1/2012 2:09 PM Functions: What people want to do with the language. Notions: what meanings people want to convey #eltchat
PatrickAndrews 2/1/2012 2:09 PM @OUPELTGlobal Doesn't all language fulfill a function?#eltchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:09 PM @SimonGreenall  #ELTchat Simon didn't realize you are a historical figure in this project!!! Chapeau!
AnneSinclair1 2/1/2012 2:09 PM #ELTchat@Shaunwilden Morer practical  #ELTchat
SimonGreenall 2/1/2012 2:09 PM @Marisa_C  #ELTchat Yes PLEASE!
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:09 PM RT @SimonGreenall: Many grammar structures can be used in different functional exponents.  #ELTchat > good point - why rule not enuff
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:10 PM @Sermor1 If you look for the Threshold Level book you'll find a good listing #ELTchat
yitzha_sarwono 2/1/2012 2:10 PM @AnneSinclair1 yes, I find it easier to get my students to understand things too :) #eltchat
SimonGreenall 2/1/2012 2:10 PM RT @Marisa_C:  #ELTchat Simon didn't realize you are a historical figure in this project!!! Chapeau!> Nah,  just old.
worldteacher 2/1/2012 2:10 PM RT @TeachEslToday: Functions: What people want to do with the language. Notions: what meanings people want to convey #eltchat
chiasuan 2/1/2012 2:10 PM RT @IHRoma: @ihroma @dalecoulter I am now tweeting under the name of IH Roma - Manzoni, please follow, retweet and follow!! #eltchat #elt #efl
TeachEslToday 2/1/2012 2:11 PM @Marisa_C @SimonGreenall For me the Syllabus must be based on  learners' social communicative needs (functions and notions) #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:11 PM So do we all agree that morphology rules (of form) not enough  - meaning/concept/notion important but function/intention crucial? #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2/1/2012 2:11 PM @PatrickAndrews good point, so we're trying to help students remember language, in general. right?  #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:12 PM @Raquel_EFL multitasking a charactersitic of all us teflers #ELTchat
SimonGreenall 2/1/2012 2:12 PM RT @Marisa_C: So do we all agree that morphology rules (of form) not enough  - ... #eltchat> Yes!!
PatrickAndrews 2/1/2012 2:12 PM @OUPELTGlobal yes and the functions that particular language fulfills in particular contexts #eltchat
worldteacher 2/1/2012 2:13 PM @OUPELTGlobal Giving a student context will always help them to remember it #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:13 PM On the other hand just listings of functions also not enough #Eltchat - not generative or capable of getting ss to sort language
PatrickAndrews 2/1/2012 2:13 PM @Marisa_C Yes but sometimes same form used for different functions and same function can have different exponents #eltchat
AnneSinclair1 2/1/2012 2:13 PM @yitzha_sarwono absolutely!  #eltchat
TeachEslToday 2/1/2012 2:13 PM @AnneSinclair1 Functions are the practical realization of grammar, grammar put into real world ;)  Good chatting today! #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2/1/2012 2:13 PM @Marisa_C Yes, I would think the intention of the language is important in helping the student remember it. Personalises it. #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 2/1/2012 2:14 PM @TeachEslToday @Marisa_C @SimonGreenall I'll second that :) #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2/1/2012 2:14 PM RT @worldteacher: @OUPELTGlobal Giving a student context will always help them to remember it #eltchat
worldteacher 2/1/2012 2:15 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @OUPELTGlobal Arent functions often most taught around a context and / or situation anyway #ELTchat >they should be!
TeachEslToday 2/1/2012 2:15 PM @Marisa_C We should keep in mind we teach a language,and they wer made for communication for that u need both notions and functions #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:15 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @OUPELTGlobal Arent functions often most taught around a context and / or situation anyway #ELTchat > absolutely
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:15 PM @OUPELTGlobal Arent functions often most taught around a context and / or situation anyway #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:15 PM @PatrickAndrews this is the difficult issue - which approach to use to combine best of both worlds both needed  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:16 PM @worldteacher Yes 'should" :-) Though coursebooks etc introduce them in one so even the most clueless tchr has a chance ;-) #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 2/1/2012 2:16 PM @Shaunwilden Yes, I would agree with that. I think it's important to give grammar a function, a purpose to help sts remember it. #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 2/1/2012 2:16 PM @AnneSinclair1 hahaha touche! Especially here in Indonesia, they all want to get down to practicing the language at once #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:16 PM Context is key for memory but form awareness argued as more generative - not just phrase memorisation #Eltchat
AnneSinclair1 2/1/2012 2:16 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @worldteacher: @OUPELTGlobal Giving a student context will always help them to remember it #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:16 PM RT @Marisa_C: YES  the rules are not enough ..students should find themselves in the context > context is key #ELTchat
TeachEslToday 2/1/2012 2:17 PM @Marisa_C @PatrickAndrews In my opinion, the aproach must be communicative, making ss see the practical view of language #eltchat   ;)
PatrickAndrews 2/1/2012 2:17 PM @OUPELTGlobal @worldteacher Yes, context is vital so we can see why particular exponent is used #eltchat
earlylanguages 2/1/2012 2:18 PM RT @analomba: Do Americans Need to Learn Languages? - NYT debate http://t.co/4YwD4059 #actfl #edchat #ellchat #langchat #eltchat #parenting #in
yitzha_sarwono 2/1/2012 2:18 PM RT @Marisa_C: @PatrickAndrews this is the difficult issue - which approach to use to combine best of both worlds both needed  #eltchat
LukeMeddings 2/1/2012 2:19 PM RT @Marisa_C: @SimonGreenall  #ELTchat Simon didn't realize you are a historical figure in this project!!! Chapeau!
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:19 PM RT @PatrickAndrews In my opinion, the aproach must be communicative, making ss see the practical view of language #eltchat   ;)
TeachEslToday 2/1/2012 2:19 PM @worldteacher @Shaunwilden @OUPELTGlobal Of course,It'd be difficult to teach "grandmother" without speaking about their own family #eltchat
worldteacher 2/1/2012 2:19 PM So what's the best way to give context so that our sts remember the functional language? Roleplays? Live listenings? #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2/1/2012 2:20 PM @worldteacher I think roleplays, dilaogues, using the language to communicate about themselves, their world and experiences.  #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 2/1/2012 2:20 PM @Marisa_C @PatrickAndrews I think it'll all depend on who and where you teach. teen are a bit impatient in my experiences #eltchat
worldteacher 2/1/2012 2:20 PM RT @PatrickAndrews In my opinion, the aproach must be communicative, making ss see the practical view of language #eltchat   ;) >Agreed!!
pennyhands 2/1/2012 2:20 PM Hi from Scotland! What about the exponents themselves? ELF argument says no need to be native-speaker-like in functional lang. #eltchat
AnneSinclair1 2/1/2012 2:21 PM #ELTchat@pennyhands Hello from a fellow Scot  #eltchat
TeachEslToday 2/1/2012 2:21 PM @worldteacher Relating the contents to their life's experiences as much as possible, apart from giving context, it engages them #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:21 PM @TeachEslToday @worldteacher @OUPELTGlobal  Well context is key to all lang teach but I meant functions tend to come with a topic #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:21 PM Since we agree on the definition&need of contextualisation, could we share ideas for noticing & using/reusing functional language #eltchat
SimonGreenall 2/1/2012 2:21 PM You may want to make a distinction between (pure) functions and lexico-functions, especially when you focus on context. Well, I do. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:22 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: roleplays, dilaogues, using the language to communicate about themselves, their world and experiences. #eltchat >Yes
yitzha_sarwono 2/1/2012 2:22 PM @worldteacher I usually let my students to experience it 1st hand, after some discussion of course :) #eltchat
worldteacher 2/1/2012 2:22 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: roleplays, dilaogues, using the language to communicate about themselves, their world and experiences. #eltchat >Yes
worldteacher 2/1/2012 2:23 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C For noticing a natural step would be to use transcripts of listening exercises #ELTchat >This is really effective
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:23 PM Noticing important but sorting also important - usually a range of exponents from formal to informal to casual #eltchat - activities?
OUPELTGlobal 2/1/2012 2:23 PM When teaching functions, too many examples of that function can make remembering difficult. Limiting the forms to the level is key. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:23 PM Please only tweet about the topic during the times of #ELTchat you have almost 7 days for all the other tweets
GuardianEduCent 2/1/2012 2:23 PM Fab Feb teaching resource @GuardianEduCent redesigns of #Guardian front pages http://t.co/lALbDYZt #engchat #eltchat #sschat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:24 PM I like using video without sound, sts guess the  exponents  from situation and paralinguistic features #ELTchat
AnneSinclair1 2/1/2012 2:24 PM http://t.co/solvSJwR #ELTchat lots of material here
yitzha_sarwono 2/1/2012 2:25 PM RT @worldteacher: RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C For noticing a natural step would be to use transcripts of listening exercises #ELTchat >This is really effective
worldteacher 2/1/2012 2:25 PM RT @AnneSinclair1: http://t.co/YLAcNnHR #ELTchat lots of material here >Great link - thanks!
OUPELTGlobal 2/1/2012 2:25 PM @Marisa_C a range of roleplays, each showing a different use > from formal to informal, maybe #eltchat
AnneSinclair1 2/1/2012 2:26 PM @worldteacher You're welcome!  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:26 PM @BobK99 cheers join in  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:26 PM @BobK99 Tut tut late again :-) Welcome :-) #ELTchat
michaelegriffin 2/1/2012 2:26 PM 4 noticing Im imagining Test-Teach-Test type thing where Ss do role play on situation then hear it done by others then do it again. #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:26 PM @OUPELTGlobal Of course the more complicated the exponent, the more formal it is (handy tip for sts)..would you mind awfully if...#ELTchat
BobK99 2/1/2012 2:26 PM @Marisa_C  Apols for late arrival at #eltchat - I'll be catching up for a while...
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:26 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: @Marisa_C a range of roleplays, each showing a different use > from formal to informal, maybe #eltchat > yes clear roles
TeachEslToday 2/1/2012 2:26 PM Using real language in use! Real languages are full of pauses, repetitions, doubts, Ss need to get used to that. #eltchat
theteacherjames 2/1/2012 2:27 PM RT @Shaunwilden: I like using video without sound, sts guess the exponents from situation #ELTchat > me too, + almost silent films
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:27 PM @michaelegriffin  #ELTchat test-teach-test always a good way - well taught ppp for lower levels also very okay
Sermor1 2/1/2012 2:27 PM @AnneSinclair1 "I prefer teaching functions to grammar #ELTchat" Do u have any function list?
pennyhands 2/1/2012 2:27 PM When you listen to real language, do you hear the exponents that appear in coursebooks? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:28 PM @pennyhands Yes for the most part - what I dont see is the nature responses that people use #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:29 PM @worldteacher  #eltchat block him out of #eltchat from universal filter in tweetdeck
OUPELTGlobal 2/1/2012 2:29 PM @theteacherjames Yes, and they can get a lot of info from the context before going onto the language ... and it's fun! #eltchat
AnneSinclair1 2/1/2012 2:29 PM @Sermor1 http://t.co/solvSJwR  #ELTchat
AnneSinclair1 2/1/2012 2:30 PM http://t.co/SZSUuusR #ELTchat functional approaches in EFL/ ESL
worldteacher 2/1/2012 2:30 PM @Marisa_C Thanks! Will do! #eltchat
BobK99 2/1/2012 2:31 PM RT @SimonGreenall: Funcs & their exps are the prac realiz'n in lang acts of theor'l struc's. #ELTchat!! Is that a book I hear? :)
AnneSinclair1 2/1/2012 2:31 PM RT @Marisa_C: @worldteacher  #eltchat block him out of #eltchat from universal filter in tweetdeck
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:31 PM @OUPELTGlobal OUP had a great book which i just looooooooove and it's out of print - Function in English - pourquoi not republish? #eltchat
TeachEslToday 2/1/2012 2:31 PM @theteacherjames @Shaunwilden I use short scenes movies they like with language we are dealing with, 2-3 minuts and actv about it. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:32 PM @OUPELTGlobal  #eltchat thank have several copies - also permission to photocopy
yitzha_sarwono 2/1/2012 2:32 PM @OUPELTGlobal @theteacherjames Absolutely, I've tried it, with comic strip though :) #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2/1/2012 2:32 PM @Marisa_C I don't know but I will find out. Might be able to lend you might copy,  #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:32 PM Author names really strange Higglemoth and MIddlemiss or sth but great listings ! #Eltchat @OUPELTGlobal  #eltchat
theteacherjames 2/1/2012 2:33 PM @yitzha_sarwono @OUPELTGlobal Yes, comic strips could work really well also. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:33 PM RT @theteacherjames: @OUPELTGlobal @TeachEslToday @Shaunwilden Some short films I like to use: http://t.co/GeW2mPMv #eltchat
TeachEslToday 2/1/2012 2:33 PM Do you think there is any difference contextualizing language to kids and adults? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:33 PM @OUPELTGlobal  #eltchat but pity not more widely available
theteacherjames 2/1/2012 2:33 PM @OUPELTGlobal @TeachEslToday @Shaunwilden Some short films I like to use: http://t.co/teca5ckU #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2/1/2012 2:34 PM @Marisa_C permission to photocopy? WOW, that's influence! LOL #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:34 PM @TeachEslToday Well adults can probably access more contexts thru experience #ELTchat
BobK99 2/1/2012 2:35 PM @SimonGreenall  #ELTchat The same John Trim who lectured on phonetics at Cambridge in the '70s? Must be really old if so. (Great man!)
TeachEslToday 2/1/2012 2:35 PM @theteacherjames @OUPELTGlobal @Shaunwilden http://t.co/MCSK7YqR This web ha got very interesting videos that help contextualizing #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 2/1/2012 2:35 PM RT @theteacherjames: @OUPELTGlobal @TeachEslToday @Shaunwilden Some short films I like to use: http://t.co/teca5ckU #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2/1/2012 2:35 PM @theteacherjames yes, and the language is a good match to the context. Language students usually trust. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:36 PM @OUPELTGlobal Lol - yes... I did use to do a lot of seminars for OUP here and Middle East - so loads of that :-D  #eltchat
annehodg 2/1/2012 2:37 PM RT @Marisa_C: Join us in 10 minutes for #ELTchat on helping Ss remember & use/reuse functional language Pls RT
michaelegriffin 2/1/2012 2:37 PM #ELTchat Sorry, bit behind here but it seems 2 me Ss often have some of these functions but lack nuance with them. <this is the goal for me
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:37 PM RT @TeachEslToday: @Shaunwilden http://t.co/A0qHrYuT This web ha got very interesting videos that help contextualizing #eltchat
SimonGreenall 2/1/2012 2:37 PM RT @BobK99:   #ELTchat The same John Trim who lectured on phonetics at Cambridge in the '70s? Must be really old if so. (Great man!)> Yes
theteacherjames 2/1/2012 2:38 PM @Marisa_C @OUPELTGlobal Function in English (1982) J. Blundell, J. Higgins & N. Middlemiss #eltchat
worldteacher 2/1/2012 2:39 PM @theteacherjames Just reading your blogpost:http://t.co/5KgLuj0C Great!! #eltchat
SimonGreenall 2/1/2012 2:39 PM #eltchat It seems that there are lots of functions, structures, communicative materials but bringing everything together meaningfully ...
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:39 PM RT @michaelegriffin: #ELTchat Ss often have some of these functions but lack nuance with them> Ranking activs from most to least formal?
pennyhands 2/1/2012 2:39 PM @michaelegriffin Nuance very different depending on culture #eltchat
theteacherjames 2/1/2012 2:40 PM @worldteacher Thanks! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:40 PM RT @Marisa_C: Roleplays whers Ss pick own level of formality & others guess identity & relatioship might be useful #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:40 PM Roleplays whers Ss pick own level of formality & others guess identity & relatioship might be useful #ELTchat
bsmsenglish 2/1/2012 2:40 PM RT @Marisa_C: Join us in 10 minutes for #ELTchat on helping Ss remember & use/reuse functional language Pls RT
michaelegriffin 2/1/2012 2:40 PM @pennyhands Nuance very different depending on culture #eltchat > Very true... All the more interesting and challenging i guess! :)
annehodg 2/1/2012 2:40 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C For noticing a natural step would be to use transcripts of listening exercises #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 2/1/2012 2:41 PM We've mentioned context and noticing. I think repetition is also important for memory - constant exposure and use. any ideas how?   #eltchat
worldteacher 2/1/2012 2:41 PM @theteacherjames You're welcome - I'll be using one of the clips in class very soon! #eltchat
michaelegriffin 2/1/2012 2:41 PM RT @Marisa_C s often have some of these functions but lack nuance with them> Ranking activs from most to least formal?> I love it! #ELTchat
TeachEslToday 2/1/2012 2:42 PM RT @Marisa_C: Roleplays whers Ss pick own level of formality & others guess identity & relatioship might be useful #ELTchat
theteacherjames 2/1/2012 2:42 PM @worldteacher Please let me know what you did how it goes :)  #eltchat
AnneSinclair1 2/1/2012 2:42 PM http://t.co/qqZY9sWH #ELTchat great site for videos + lesson plans
yitzha_sarwono 2/1/2012 2:43 PM RT @AnneSinclair1: http://t.co/qqZY9sWH #ELTchat great site for videos + lesson plans
annehodg 2/1/2012 2:43 PM Blogged on focussing on communication strategies rather than on exponents in productive tasks http://t.co/iF73ZssK #eltchat #elf
worldteacher 2/1/2012 2:43 PM @theteacherjames Will do! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:43 PM @OUPELTGlobal Repetition is very imp, I think drills are useful esp as intonation in functional exponents is very imp #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:44 PM @josepopoff How would this help contextualise he asked genuinely #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:44 PM OK not much time left I wanted to mention how important phonology is here - esp intonation and how neglected #eltchat
BobK99 2/1/2012 2:44 PM RT @michaelegriffin: #ELTchat ...Ss often have some of these functions but lack nuance ... <this is the goal ...! Gd pnt, esp.  higher levs
josepopoff 2/1/2012 2:44 PM Sorry, I'm no expert but how many of you have ss blog as a way of contextualizing? #ELTchat
worldteacher 2/1/2012 2:44 PM RT @AnneSinclair1: http://t.co/qqZY9sWH #ELTchat great site for videos + lesson plans
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:45 PM @Marisa_C Agreed, as I just said to @OUPELTGlobal  intonation is key in exponents #ELTchat
TeachEslToday 2/1/2012 2:45 PM Formality is not all, Ss need to understand that if they learn "How much" It has a reason:you can prepare a role play"at a shop"e.g #eltchat
AnneSinclair1 2/1/2012 2:45 PM RT @Marisa_C: OK not much time left I wanted to mention how important phonology is here - esp intonation and how neglected #eltchat
worldteacher 2/1/2012 2:46 PM @Shaunwilden Agreed But need to be wary of too much emphasis on intonation. My sts love to ham it up and end up sounding ridiculous!#eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2/1/2012 2:46 PM I think phonology is very important. No use understanding it if you can't say it. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:46 PM We also use lots of games with cards of various descriptions - function-retort/fnctn-tenor/ functn-context etc #eltchat
TeachEslToday 2/1/2012 2:47 PM Hide your intentions with drills, introduce something funny in them, make it competitive otherwise,Ss will get bored #eltchat
TeachEslToday 2/1/2012 2:47 PM Hide your intentions with drills, introduce something funny in them, make it competitive otherwise,Ss will get bored #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:47 PM @worldteacher Haha but i guess if they ham it up deliberately at least they know what the intonation should be :-) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:47 PM @worldteacher Haha but i guess if they ham it up deliberately at least they know what the intonation should be :-) #eltchat
AnneSinclair1 2/1/2012 2:47 PM http://t.co/iT4aOYx9 #ELTchat good discussion here on functions
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:48 PM RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C Re: intonation - so true, often more important than formal vs informal vocabulary. #eltchat
theteacherjames 2/1/2012 2:48 PM @Marisa_C Re: intonation - so true, often more important than formal vs informal vocabulary. #eltchat
JoHart 2/1/2012 2:48 PM RT @anna_bring: skyped with @JoHart in class today, all of a sudden my students went all quiet and shy. want to skype us next week? #ELTchat
worldteacher 2/1/2012 2:48 PM @Shaunwilden True!! Just have to get them to tone it down in real-life situations! #eltchat
DianaSchwa 2/1/2012 2:48 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: I think phonology is very important. No use understanding it if you can't say it. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:48 PM @worldteacher i don't mind that so much - in feedback u can mention it  #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2/1/2012 2:49 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C Re: intonation - so true, often more important than formal vs informal vocabulary. #eltchat
michaelegriffin 2/1/2012 2:49 PM @BobK99 I guess I just have a hard time imagining "teaching" things like functional language to lower level students from scratch. #ELTchat
pennyhands 2/1/2012 2:49 PM MT @annehodg Blogged on focusing on communication strategies rather than exponents in productive tasks >> I really like this idea #eltchat
atiyilmaz 2/1/2012 2:49 PM @OUPELTGlobal #eltchat I think it is not as it is more detailed especially in terms of vocab and tenses!
AnneSinclair1 2/1/2012 2:49 PM RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C Re: intonation - so true, often more important than formal vs informal vocabulary. #eltchat
TeachEslToday 2/1/2012 2:49 PM @OUPELTGlobal Very true, nevertheless understanding is the first step ;) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:50 PM RT @annehodg: .... functions, intonation r imp, but our international sts, who use ELF, need to analyze communication strategies #eltchat
AnneSinclair1 2/1/2012 2:51 PM @michaelegriffin I think it's easier to teach functions, the language you need in a situation  #ELTchat
BobK99 2/1/2012 2:51 PM @michaelegriffin  #ELTchat Yeah, I guess 'beginner' and 'nuance' are mutually exclusive. Which makes my comment pretty lame! :)
atiyilmaz 2/1/2012 2:51 PM @OUPELTGlobal Yes it is the key! But what about giving them in related & appropriate context? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:51 PM @michaelegriffin have done it esp early days of functional delirium in coursebooks - my job as a junior T of beginners  #ELTchat
TeachEslToday 2/1/2012 2:51 PM Intonation tip: My Ss hear a short dialogue from a movie they like, and then they try to imitate the intonation (using transcript) #eltchat
SimonGreenall 2/1/2012 2:51 PM #eltchat a multi-syllabus course design will include functions, grammar, intonation as part of pron, register and all other syllabus strands
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:52 PM @BobK99 but (almost) every function can be realised in v simple language - so possible to equip beginners with broad range early on #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:52 PM RT @AnneSinclair1: @michaelegriffin I think it's easier to teach functions, the language you need in a situation  #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2/1/2012 2:52 PM Hi People. I think functions are the first thing you need as a beginner. Greetings, apologising, asking for help...#ELTchat
ELTExperiences 2/1/2012 2:52 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @worldteacher: @OUPELTGlobal Giving a student context will always help them to remember it #eltchat
DianaSchwa 2/1/2012 2:52 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @worldteacher: @OUPELTGlobal Giving a student context will always help them to remember it #eltchat
annehodg 2/1/2012 2:53 PM Blogged about the difficulty of teaching functional language in a task-based classroom http://t.co/xeGgubg3 #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:53 PM @OUPELTGlobal Oh that was a great book :-) #eltchat
AnneSinclair1 2/1/2012 2:53 PM RT @SueAnnan: Hi People. I think functions are the first thing you need as a beginner. Greetings, apologising, asking for help...#ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 2/1/2012 2:53 PM I remember using a book "Variations on a Theme" same dialogue but in different contexts. I loved it - helped a lot with intonation #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:53 PM RT @SueAnnan: Hi People. I think functions are the first thing you need as a beginner. Greetings, apologising, asking for help...#ELTchat
AnneSinclair1 2/1/2012 2:54 PM RT @annehodg: Blogged about the difficulty of teaching functional language in a task-based classroom http://t.co/xeGgubg3 #eltchat
ELTExperiences 2/1/2012 2:54 PM Isn't functional language something that could be supported with scaffolding student language that has emerged during discussion? #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:54 PM @OUPELTGlobal  #eltchat I still have it - variations on a theme really rocked!
OUPELTGlobal 2/1/2012 2:54 PM @SueAnnan Functions at beg is important and it tells students language is to be used from the very beginning #eltchat
SimonGreenall 2/1/2012 2:54 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @OUPELTGlobal Oh that was a great book :-) #eltchat> Great book.
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:55 PM @AnneSinclair1 good point re TBL for beginners lower levels but why not later - where is the difficulty? #eltchat
BobK99 2/1/2012 2:55 PM @Shaunwilden  #ELTchat Yeah but, no but, yeah but, no but...:) I don't underestimate simple words, but much nuance comes later
TeachEslToday 2/1/2012 2:55 PM First functions? Language to survive in the English class: How do you say... I'm sorry, Can I.. My dog ate my homework ;)  #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2/1/2012 2:55 PM #eltchat@OUPELTGlobal Oh that was a great book :-) #eltchat   Still use it a lot - timeless!
SueAnnan 2/1/2012 2:56 PM @SimonGreenall  absolutely #ELTchat
Yuki_Yukihiro 2/1/2012 2:56 PM RT @AnneSinclair1: http://t.co/iT4aOYx9 #ELTchat good discussion here on functions
SimonGreenall 2/1/2012 2:56 PM @SueAnnan #eltchat Yes, because many of them are fixed expressions, and can be learnt relatively easil y even if structurally complex.
SueAnnan 2/1/2012 2:57 PM @Marisa_C  yes. But we have various levels of formality that they can cope with at different stages #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 2:57 PM Our Ss understand the notion that the more complex the form and convoluted the phrasing the more the distance & formality #eltchat
josepopoff 2/1/2012 2:58 PM @Shaunwilden I guess blogging allows kids to put their experiences , their context in words using the language? #ELTchat
AnneSinclair1 2/1/2012 2:58 PM @Marisa_C later too! #eltchat
SueAnnan 2/1/2012 2:58 PM @Shaunwilden  of course. Perfect for most situations anyway :-) #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:58 PM @SueAnnan @Marisa_C Or just teach functions that are neutral to remove formality issues #eltchat
michaelegriffin 2/1/2012 2:58 PM RT @Shaunwilden  comes up in c/room lang - can I have pen, Would you mind opening >>Good point, was thinking more complicated stuff #ELTchat
AnneSinclair1 2/1/2012 2:58 PM RT @SimonGreenall: @SueAnnan #eltchat Yes, because many of them are fixed expressions, and can be learnt relatively easil y even if structurally complex.
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 2:59 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: as we approach the end, wld I be right in saying context, noticing, &repetition are imp in helping sts remember? #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2/1/2012 2:59 PM as we approach the end, wld I be right in saying context, noticing, and repetition are important in helping sts remember? #eltchat
annehodg 2/1/2012 3:00 PM @phil3wade We did debates and developing games to influence people. Incredibly productive 28 stds from 18 countries.  #eltchat
SimonGreenall 2/1/2012 3:00 PM #eltchat It may be worth remembering that even structurally complex expressions can appear at low levels in simple functional exponents.
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 3:01 PM @SimonGreenall example? blew my mind - i thought the reverse was on  #eltchat
worldteacher 2/1/2012 3:01 PM @Shaunwilden I need to read the transcript, anyway because I was side-tracked for part of #eltchat!
OUPELTGlobal 2/1/2012 3:01 PM Gotta go (great expression). Thanks for a rewarding chat and to the moderators for a great job - as usual! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 3:01 PM @worldteacher @Marisa_C  Super that's very kind (and quick) of you :-) transcript sent to you in a bit #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2/1/2012 3:01 PM Nice to add my two-penny-worth at the end. Must fly. Will catch you eltchatters tonight #ELTchat  Looking forward to the summary
worldteacher 2/1/2012 3:01 PM @Shaunwilden I'll take it, Shaun! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 3:02 PM Thanks for joining today's #eltchat tonight we're talking 'Ways to get teenage learners working together effectively in class? '
annehodg 2/1/2012 3:02 PM @phil3wade The productive new language was everything under the sun - communication strategies brilliant - functional lang simple  #eltchat
worldteacher 2/1/2012 3:02 PM @Shaunwilden Will look forward to getting it #eltchat
ELTchat 2/1/2012 3:03 PM RT @theteacherjames: Don't forget to subscribe and listen to the #ELTchat podcast! http://t.co/aG6PlEa8
Shaunwilden 2/1/2012 3:03 PM RT @theteacherjames: Don't forget to subscribe and listen to the #ELTchat podcast! http://t.co/KrhbvNGs
SimonGreenall 2/1/2012 3:03 PM @Marisa_C #eltchat We can teach 'WOuld you like to ... Yes, I would/No, I wouldn't at beginner's level in a functional syllabus,  but ...
theteacherjames 2/1/2012 3:03 PM Don't forget to subscribe and listen to the #ELTchat podcast! http://t.co/lcWQMs9U
AnneSinclair1 2/1/2012 3:03 PM #ELTchat Thank you for an interesting chat& thanks to Marisa & Shaun :)
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 3:04 PM @worldteacher  #eltchat thz Andrea - this could prove really useful to u :-D
AnneSinclair1 2/1/2012 3:04 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Thanks for joining today's #eltchat tonight we're talking 'Ways to get teenage learners working together effectively in class? '
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 3:04 PM @SimonGreenall  #eltchat oh ok gotcha - thought u wer talking abt mega complex items - i think we more or less take these for granted no?
worldteacher 2/1/2012 3:04 PM @Shaunwilden Won't be able to stay up for that one (4am here), but will look out for the summary because that's the one I voted for!#eltchat
worldteacher 2/1/2012 3:05 PM RT @theteacherjames: Don't forget to subscribe and listen to the #ELTchat podcast! http://t.co/QKcAVloX >Already do - it's great!
SimonGreenall 2/1/2012 3:05 PM #eltchat  @Marisa_C .... not until later in a grammar/structure driven syllabus, because of the 2nd conditionals.
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 3:06 PM @SimonGreenall  #eltchat mind you - i don't think this done v well in most CBs
BobK99 2/1/2012 3:06 PM Bye all at #eltchat ; usual loads of food for thought, See you next week.
worldteacher 2/1/2012 3:06 PM Another hour flies by on #eltchat!!
SimonGreenall 2/1/2012 3:06 PM @Marisa_C  #eltchat Possible we do take for granted, but Grammar and Functions are two syllabus strands which can be worked v well together.
michaelegriffin 2/1/2012 3:07 PM Thanks all for a v. interesting/informative #ELTchat...especially for the reminder about classroom language and functional language
SimonGreenall 2/1/2012 3:07 PM #ELTchat  Thank you Marisa and Shaun.  Bye
SimonGreenall 2/1/2012 3:08 PM @Marisa_C  #ELTchat  Good job I signed off early, otherwise I might have to argue this one with you :)
asmariz 2/1/2012 3:10 PM RT @Marisa_C: Join us in 10 minutes for #ELTchat on helping Ss remember & use/reuse functional language Pls RT
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 3:10 PM @SimonGreenall you would probably win that argument :-D #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2/1/2012 3:10 PM Thank you all for joining in today's #eltchat. Special thanks to @SimonGreenall - a key figure in the functional/notional framework creation
english247 2/1/2012 3:15 PM Practise your English with this fun listening quiz about Groundhog Day (Feb 2) http://t.co/I5EMweat #esl #elt #twinglish #ingles #eltchat
SimonGreenall 2/1/2012 3:15 PM @Marisa_C  Thank you for compliment, but I follow #eltchat  to keep me up to speed. Bravo to you and  @Shaunwilden and ELTChat
annehodg 2/1/2012 3:17 PM @SimonGreenall @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden Thank you for leading this great #eltchat

 

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