username |
date |
time |
status |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
2:00 PM |
Joining #eltchat today for the first time in ages - will have to leave early though as I'm attending a #yltsig webinar later |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:01 PM |
@worldteacher hi Andrea! great to see you - And you@yitzha_sarwono #ELTchat @Shaunwilden moderating with me - as usual :-) Welcome all |
OUPELTGlobal |
2/1/2012 |
2:01 PM |
present! #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:01 PM |
@Marisa_C I'm here :-) #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:01 PM |
@Marisa_C I'm here :-) #ELTchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
2/1/2012 |
2:01 PM |
Hi everyone, looking forward to the discussion today, always like discussions on helping students learn. #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
2/1/2012 |
2:01 PM |
Hi everyone, looking forward to the discussion today, always like discussions on helping students learn. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:02 PM |
RT @Raquel_EFL: @Marisa_C #ELTchat How would we define functional language? #genuinequestion |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
2:02 PM |
@Marisa_C Thanks! Good to be here #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:02 PM |
Can someone explain the topic to me, I want to make sure I understand it said the unsure moderator :-) #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:02 PM |
@Raquel_EFL @cybraryman1 Welcome, welcome #ELTchat |
IHRoma |
2/1/2012 |
2:02 PM |
@ihroma @dalecoulter I am now tweeting under the name of IH Roma - Manzoni, please follow, retweet and follow!! #eltchat #elt #efl |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:03 PM |
@Marisa_C @Raquel_EFL I presumed it meant exponents used in things like requests etc? #ELTchat |
michaelegriffin |
2/1/2012 |
2:03 PM |
#ELTchat Here! Wondering if we are going to talk about computer programming tonight? |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:03 PM |
RT @Raquel_EFL: @Marisa_C #ELTchat How would we define functional language? #genuinequestion > Key question methinks!!! |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:04 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: I thought it was language for making suggestions, offering to help, etc. no? #eltchat me too :-) |
OUPELTGlobal |
2/1/2012 |
2:04 PM |
I thought it was language for making suggestions, offering to help, etc. no? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:04 PM |
So what's in a function - anyone up to giving us a definition? you don't have to be Halliday (or even Johnny Halliday :-) #eltchat |
AnneSinclair1 |
2/1/2012 |
2:04 PM |
#ELTchat Hello! |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:05 PM |
@josepopoff wow 6am it's impressive you're here then :-) #ELTchat |
michaelegriffin |
2/1/2012 |
2:05 PM |
#ELTchat My first thought was lng that fulfills specific functions so: apologizing, interrupting, thanking, taking leave that kinda stuff |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:05 PM |
exponent = technical word meaning much the same as an 'example of' used for functions #eltchat |
josepopoff |
2/1/2012 |
2:05 PM |
Good morning everyone, 6 am here. #eltchat |
AnneSinclair1 |
2/1/2012 |
2:05 PM |
#ELTchat language for telephoning etc |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:05 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @OUPELTGlobal: I thought it was language for making suggestions, offering to help, etc. no? #eltchat me too :-) |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:06 PM |
@Raquel_EFL don't get everyone confused re notions and functions - not the same #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:06 PM |
@josepopoff Cheers Jose join in #eltchat |
yitzha_sarwono |
2/1/2012 |
2:06 PM |
@Marisa_C @worldteacher @Shaunwilden glad to be able to join too. been having net problems the last few weeks :)#eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:06 PM |
It's looking like we all agree on the defintion then #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:06 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 Welcome Anne! #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:07 PM |
@SimonGreenall Thank you Mister academic :-) #ELTchat |
SimonGreenall |
2/1/2012 |
2:07 PM |
#ELTchat@Marisa_C Bless you! |
yitzha_sarwono |
2/1/2012 |
2:07 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: "exponent" = technical word meaning much the same as an 'example of' used for functions #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:07 PM |
RT @SimonGreenall: Functions and their exponents are the practical realization in language acts of theoretical structures. #ELTchat > OMG!! |
SimonGreenall |
2/1/2012 |
2:07 PM |
Many grammar structures can be used in different functional exponents. #ELTchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
2/1/2012 |
2:07 PM |
Is this language more difficult to remember, use/reuse than any other language? #eltchat |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
2:07 PM |
Language for a purpose - ordering in a restaurant, making requests, suggestions, apologies, using the phone, giving directions, etc.#eltchat |
SimonGreenall |
2/1/2012 |
2:07 PM |
Functions and their exponents are the practical realization in language acts of theoretical structures. #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:07 PM |
@Raquel_EFL :-D u delter #ELTchat |
SimonGreenall |
2/1/2012 |
2:08 PM |
#ELTchat Well, we worked with Jan van Ek and John Trim on the revision of Threshold Level in 1990. |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:08 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 Why? I dont mind either :-) #ELTchat |
AnneSinclair1 |
2/1/2012 |
2:08 PM |
I prefer teaching functions to grammar #ELTchat |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
2:08 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal I wouldn't have thought that it was really #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:08 PM |
@SimonGreenall Hya dear Simon - shall I mention now semantico-grammatical terminology to make all dizzy? #ELTchat |
AnneSinclair1 |
2/1/2012 |
2:09 PM |
oops more #ELTCHAT |
TeachEslToday |
2/1/2012 |
2:09 PM |
Functions: What people want to do with the language. Notions: what meanings people want to convey #eltchat |
PatrickAndrews |
2/1/2012 |
2:09 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal Doesn't all language fulfill a function?#eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:09 PM |
@SimonGreenall #ELTchat Simon didn't realize you are a historical figure in this project!!! Chapeau! |
AnneSinclair1 |
2/1/2012 |
2:09 PM |
#ELTchat@Shaunwilden Morer practical #ELTchat |
SimonGreenall |
2/1/2012 |
2:09 PM |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat Yes PLEASE! |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:09 PM |
RT @SimonGreenall: Many grammar structures can be used in different functional exponents. #ELTchat > good point - why rule not enuff |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:10 PM |
@Sermor1 If you look for the Threshold Level book you'll find a good listing #ELTchat |
yitzha_sarwono |
2/1/2012 |
2:10 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 yes, I find it easier to get my students to understand things too :) #eltchat |
SimonGreenall |
2/1/2012 |
2:10 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat Simon didn't realize you are a historical figure in this project!!! Chapeau!> Nah, just old. |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
2:10 PM |
RT @TeachEslToday: Functions: What people want to do with the language. Notions: what meanings people want to convey #eltchat |
chiasuan |
2/1/2012 |
2:10 PM |
RT @IHRoma: @ihroma @dalecoulter I am now tweeting under the name of IH Roma - Manzoni, please follow, retweet and follow!! #eltchat #elt #efl |
TeachEslToday |
2/1/2012 |
2:11 PM |
@Marisa_C @SimonGreenall For me the Syllabus must be based on learners' social communicative needs (functions and notions) #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:11 PM |
So do we all agree that morphology rules (of form) not enough - meaning/concept/notion important but function/intention crucial? #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
2/1/2012 |
2:11 PM |
@PatrickAndrews good point, so we're trying to help students remember language, in general. right? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:12 PM |
@Raquel_EFL multitasking a charactersitic of all us teflers #ELTchat |
SimonGreenall |
2/1/2012 |
2:12 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: So do we all agree that morphology rules (of form) not enough - ... #eltchat> Yes!! |
PatrickAndrews |
2/1/2012 |
2:12 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal yes and the functions that particular language fulfills in particular contexts #eltchat |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
2:13 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal Giving a student context will always help them to remember it #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:13 PM |
On the other hand just listings of functions also not enough #Eltchat - not generative or capable of getting ss to sort language |
PatrickAndrews |
2/1/2012 |
2:13 PM |
@Marisa_C Yes but sometimes same form used for different functions and same function can have different exponents #eltchat |
AnneSinclair1 |
2/1/2012 |
2:13 PM |
@yitzha_sarwono absolutely! #eltchat |
TeachEslToday |
2/1/2012 |
2:13 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 Functions are the practical realization of grammar, grammar put into real world ;) Good chatting today! #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
2/1/2012 |
2:13 PM |
@Marisa_C Yes, I would think the intention of the language is important in helping the student remember it. Personalises it. #eltchat |
yitzha_sarwono |
2/1/2012 |
2:14 PM |
@TeachEslToday @Marisa_C @SimonGreenall I'll second that :) #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
2/1/2012 |
2:14 PM |
RT @worldteacher: @OUPELTGlobal Giving a student context will always help them to remember it #eltchat |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
2:15 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @OUPELTGlobal Arent functions often most taught around a context and / or situation anyway #ELTchat >they should be! |
TeachEslToday |
2/1/2012 |
2:15 PM |
@Marisa_C We should keep in mind we teach a language,and they wer made for communication for that u need both notions and functions #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:15 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @OUPELTGlobal Arent functions often most taught around a context and / or situation anyway #ELTchat > absolutely |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:15 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal Arent functions often most taught around a context and / or situation anyway #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:15 PM |
@PatrickAndrews this is the difficult issue - which approach to use to combine best of both worlds both needed #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:16 PM |
@worldteacher Yes 'should" :-) Though coursebooks etc introduce them in one so even the most clueless tchr has a chance ;-) #ELTchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
2/1/2012 |
2:16 PM |
@Shaunwilden Yes, I would agree with that. I think it's important to give grammar a function, a purpose to help sts remember it. #eltchat |
yitzha_sarwono |
2/1/2012 |
2:16 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 hahaha touche! Especially here in Indonesia, they all want to get down to practicing the language at once #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:16 PM |
Context is key for memory but form awareness argued as more generative - not just phrase memorisation #Eltchat |
AnneSinclair1 |
2/1/2012 |
2:16 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @worldteacher: @OUPELTGlobal Giving a student context will always help them to remember it #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:16 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: YES the rules are not enough ..students should find themselves in the context > context is key #ELTchat |
TeachEslToday |
2/1/2012 |
2:17 PM |
@Marisa_C @PatrickAndrews In my opinion, the aproach must be communicative, making ss see the practical view of language #eltchat ;) |
PatrickAndrews |
2/1/2012 |
2:17 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal @worldteacher Yes, context is vital so we can see why particular exponent is used #eltchat |
earlylanguages |
2/1/2012 |
2:18 PM |
RT @analomba: Do Americans Need to Learn Languages? - NYT debate http://t.co/4YwD4059 #actfl #edchat #ellchat #langchat #eltchat #parenting #in |
yitzha_sarwono |
2/1/2012 |
2:18 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @PatrickAndrews this is the difficult issue - which approach to use to combine best of both worlds both needed #eltchat |
LukeMeddings |
2/1/2012 |
2:19 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @SimonGreenall #ELTchat Simon didn't realize you are a historical figure in this project!!! Chapeau! |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:19 PM |
RT @PatrickAndrews In my opinion, the aproach must be communicative, making ss see the practical view of language #eltchat ;) |
TeachEslToday |
2/1/2012 |
2:19 PM |
@worldteacher @Shaunwilden @OUPELTGlobal Of course,It'd be difficult to teach "grandmother" without speaking about their own family #eltchat |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
2:19 PM |
So what's the best way to give context so that our sts remember the functional language? Roleplays? Live listenings? #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
2/1/2012 |
2:20 PM |
@worldteacher I think roleplays, dilaogues, using the language to communicate about themselves, their world and experiences. #eltchat |
yitzha_sarwono |
2/1/2012 |
2:20 PM |
@Marisa_C @PatrickAndrews I think it'll all depend on who and where you teach. teen are a bit impatient in my experiences #eltchat |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
2:20 PM |
RT @PatrickAndrews In my opinion, the aproach must be communicative, making ss see the practical view of language #eltchat ;) >Agreed!! |
pennyhands |
2/1/2012 |
2:20 PM |
Hi from Scotland! What about the exponents themselves? ELF argument says no need to be native-speaker-like in functional lang. #eltchat |
AnneSinclair1 |
2/1/2012 |
2:21 PM |
#ELTchat@pennyhands Hello from a fellow Scot #eltchat |
TeachEslToday |
2/1/2012 |
2:21 PM |
@worldteacher Relating the contents to their life's experiences as much as possible, apart from giving context, it engages them #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:21 PM |
@TeachEslToday @worldteacher @OUPELTGlobal Well context is key to all lang teach but I meant functions tend to come with a topic #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:21 PM |
Since we agree on the definition&need of contextualisation, could we share ideas for noticing & using/reusing functional language #eltchat |
SimonGreenall |
2/1/2012 |
2:21 PM |
You may want to make a distinction between (pure) functions and lexico-functions, especially when you focus on context. Well, I do. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:22 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: roleplays, dilaogues, using the language to communicate about themselves, their world and experiences. #eltchat >Yes |
yitzha_sarwono |
2/1/2012 |
2:22 PM |
@worldteacher I usually let my students to experience it 1st hand, after some discussion of course :) #eltchat |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
2:22 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: roleplays, dilaogues, using the language to communicate about themselves, their world and experiences. #eltchat >Yes |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
2:23 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C For noticing a natural step would be to use transcripts of listening exercises #ELTchat >This is really effective |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:23 PM |
Noticing important but sorting also important - usually a range of exponents from formal to informal to casual #eltchat - activities? |
OUPELTGlobal |
2/1/2012 |
2:23 PM |
When teaching functions, too many examples of that function can make remembering difficult. Limiting the forms to the level is key. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:23 PM |
Please only tweet about the topic during the times of #ELTchat you have almost 7 days for all the other tweets |
GuardianEduCent |
2/1/2012 |
2:23 PM |
Fab Feb teaching resource @GuardianEduCent redesigns of #Guardian front pages http://t.co/lALbDYZt #engchat #eltchat #sschat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:24 PM |
I like using video without sound, sts guess the exponents from situation and paralinguistic features #ELTchat |
AnneSinclair1 |
2/1/2012 |
2:24 PM |
http://t.co/solvSJwR #ELTchat lots of material here |
yitzha_sarwono |
2/1/2012 |
2:25 PM |
RT @worldteacher: RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C For noticing a natural step would be to use transcripts of listening exercises #ELTchat >This is really effective |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
2:25 PM |
RT @AnneSinclair1: http://t.co/YLAcNnHR #ELTchat lots of material here >Great link - thanks! |
OUPELTGlobal |
2/1/2012 |
2:25 PM |
@Marisa_C a range of roleplays, each showing a different use > from formal to informal, maybe #eltchat |
AnneSinclair1 |
2/1/2012 |
2:26 PM |
@worldteacher You're welcome! #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:26 PM |
@BobK99 cheers join in #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:26 PM |
@BobK99 Tut tut late again :-) Welcome :-) #ELTchat |
michaelegriffin |
2/1/2012 |
2:26 PM |
4 noticing Im imagining Test-Teach-Test type thing where Ss do role play on situation then hear it done by others then do it again. #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:26 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal Of course the more complicated the exponent, the more formal it is (handy tip for sts)..would you mind awfully if...#ELTchat |
BobK99 |
2/1/2012 |
2:26 PM |
@Marisa_C Apols for late arrival at #eltchat - I'll be catching up for a while... |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:26 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: @Marisa_C a range of roleplays, each showing a different use > from formal to informal, maybe #eltchat > yes clear roles |
TeachEslToday |
2/1/2012 |
2:26 PM |
Using real language in use! Real languages are full of pauses, repetitions, doubts, Ss need to get used to that. #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2/1/2012 |
2:27 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: I like using video without sound, sts guess the exponents from situation #ELTchat > me too, + almost silent films |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:27 PM |
@michaelegriffin #ELTchat test-teach-test always a good way - well taught ppp for lower levels also very okay |
Sermor1 |
2/1/2012 |
2:27 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 "I prefer teaching functions to grammar #ELTchat" Do u have any function list? |
pennyhands |
2/1/2012 |
2:27 PM |
When you listen to real language, do you hear the exponents that appear in coursebooks? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:28 PM |
@pennyhands Yes for the most part - what I dont see is the nature responses that people use #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:29 PM |
@worldteacher #eltchat block him out of #eltchat from universal filter in tweetdeck |
OUPELTGlobal |
2/1/2012 |
2:29 PM |
@theteacherjames Yes, and they can get a lot of info from the context before going onto the language ... and it's fun! #eltchat |
AnneSinclair1 |
2/1/2012 |
2:29 PM |
@Sermor1 http://t.co/solvSJwR #ELTchat |
AnneSinclair1 |
2/1/2012 |
2:30 PM |
http://t.co/SZSUuusR #ELTchat functional approaches in EFL/ ESL |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
2:30 PM |
@Marisa_C Thanks! Will do! #eltchat |
BobK99 |
2/1/2012 |
2:31 PM |
RT @SimonGreenall: Funcs & their exps are the prac realiz'n in lang acts of theor'l struc's. #ELTchat!! Is that a book I hear? :) |
AnneSinclair1 |
2/1/2012 |
2:31 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @worldteacher #eltchat block him out of #eltchat from universal filter in tweetdeck |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:31 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal OUP had a great book which i just looooooooove and it's out of print - Function in English - pourquoi not republish? #eltchat |
TeachEslToday |
2/1/2012 |
2:31 PM |
@theteacherjames @Shaunwilden I use short scenes movies they like with language we are dealing with, 2-3 minuts and actv about it. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:32 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal #eltchat thank have several copies - also permission to photocopy |
yitzha_sarwono |
2/1/2012 |
2:32 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal @theteacherjames Absolutely, I've tried it, with comic strip though :) #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
2/1/2012 |
2:32 PM |
@Marisa_C I don't know but I will find out. Might be able to lend you might copy, #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:32 PM |
Author names really strange Higglemoth and MIddlemiss or sth but great listings ! #Eltchat @OUPELTGlobal #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2/1/2012 |
2:33 PM |
@yitzha_sarwono @OUPELTGlobal Yes, comic strips could work really well also. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:33 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @OUPELTGlobal @TeachEslToday @Shaunwilden Some short films I like to use: http://t.co/GeW2mPMv #eltchat |
TeachEslToday |
2/1/2012 |
2:33 PM |
Do you think there is any difference contextualizing language to kids and adults? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:33 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal #eltchat but pity not more widely available |
theteacherjames |
2/1/2012 |
2:33 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal @TeachEslToday @Shaunwilden Some short films I like to use: http://t.co/teca5ckU #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
2/1/2012 |
2:34 PM |
@Marisa_C permission to photocopy? WOW, that's influence! LOL #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:34 PM |
@TeachEslToday Well adults can probably access more contexts thru experience #ELTchat |
BobK99 |
2/1/2012 |
2:35 PM |
@SimonGreenall #ELTchat The same John Trim who lectured on phonetics at Cambridge in the '70s? Must be really old if so. (Great man!) |
TeachEslToday |
2/1/2012 |
2:35 PM |
@theteacherjames @OUPELTGlobal @Shaunwilden http://t.co/MCSK7YqR This web ha got very interesting videos that help contextualizing #eltchat |
yitzha_sarwono |
2/1/2012 |
2:35 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @OUPELTGlobal @TeachEslToday @Shaunwilden Some short films I like to use: http://t.co/teca5ckU #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
2/1/2012 |
2:35 PM |
@theteacherjames yes, and the language is a good match to the context. Language students usually trust. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:36 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal Lol - yes... I did use to do a lot of seminars for OUP here and Middle East - so loads of that :-D #eltchat |
annehodg |
2/1/2012 |
2:37 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Join us in 10 minutes for #ELTchat on helping Ss remember & use/reuse functional language Pls RT |
michaelegriffin |
2/1/2012 |
2:37 PM |
#ELTchat Sorry, bit behind here but it seems 2 me Ss often have some of these functions but lack nuance with them. <this is the goal for me |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:37 PM |
RT @TeachEslToday: @Shaunwilden http://t.co/A0qHrYuT This web ha got very interesting videos that help contextualizing #eltchat |
SimonGreenall |
2/1/2012 |
2:37 PM |
RT @BobK99: #ELTchat The same John Trim who lectured on phonetics at Cambridge in the '70s? Must be really old if so. (Great man!)> Yes |
theteacherjames |
2/1/2012 |
2:38 PM |
@Marisa_C @OUPELTGlobal Function in English (1982) J. Blundell, J. Higgins & N. Middlemiss #eltchat |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
2:39 PM |
@theteacherjames Just reading your blogpost:http://t.co/5KgLuj0C Great!! #eltchat |
SimonGreenall |
2/1/2012 |
2:39 PM |
#eltchat It seems that there are lots of functions, structures, communicative materials but bringing everything together meaningfully ... |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:39 PM |
RT @michaelegriffin: #ELTchat Ss often have some of these functions but lack nuance with them> Ranking activs from most to least formal? |
pennyhands |
2/1/2012 |
2:39 PM |
@michaelegriffin Nuance very different depending on culture #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2/1/2012 |
2:40 PM |
@worldteacher Thanks! #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:40 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Roleplays whers Ss pick own level of formality & others guess identity & relatioship might be useful #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:40 PM |
Roleplays whers Ss pick own level of formality & others guess identity & relatioship might be useful #ELTchat |
bsmsenglish |
2/1/2012 |
2:40 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Join us in 10 minutes for #ELTchat on helping Ss remember & use/reuse functional language Pls RT |
michaelegriffin |
2/1/2012 |
2:40 PM |
@pennyhands Nuance very different depending on culture #eltchat > Very true... All the more interesting and challenging i guess! :) |
annehodg |
2/1/2012 |
2:40 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C For noticing a natural step would be to use transcripts of listening exercises #ELTchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
2/1/2012 |
2:41 PM |
We've mentioned context and noticing. I think repetition is also important for memory - constant exposure and use. any ideas how? #eltchat |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
2:41 PM |
@theteacherjames You're welcome - I'll be using one of the clips in class very soon! #eltchat |
michaelegriffin |
2/1/2012 |
2:41 PM |
RT @Marisa_C s often have some of these functions but lack nuance with them> Ranking activs from most to least formal?> I love it! #ELTchat |
TeachEslToday |
2/1/2012 |
2:42 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Roleplays whers Ss pick own level of formality & others guess identity & relatioship might be useful #ELTchat |
theteacherjames |
2/1/2012 |
2:42 PM |
@worldteacher Please let me know what you did how it goes :) #eltchat |
AnneSinclair1 |
2/1/2012 |
2:42 PM |
http://t.co/qqZY9sWH #ELTchat great site for videos + lesson plans |
yitzha_sarwono |
2/1/2012 |
2:43 PM |
RT @AnneSinclair1: http://t.co/qqZY9sWH #ELTchat great site for videos + lesson plans |
annehodg |
2/1/2012 |
2:43 PM |
Blogged on focussing on communication strategies rather than on exponents in productive tasks http://t.co/iF73ZssK #eltchat #elf |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
2:43 PM |
@theteacherjames Will do! #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:43 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal Repetition is very imp, I think drills are useful esp as intonation in functional exponents is very imp #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:44 PM |
@josepopoff How would this help contextualise he asked genuinely #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:44 PM |
OK not much time left I wanted to mention how important phonology is here - esp intonation and how neglected #eltchat |
BobK99 |
2/1/2012 |
2:44 PM |
RT @michaelegriffin: #ELTchat ...Ss often have some of these functions but lack nuance ... <this is the goal ...! Gd pnt, esp. higher levs |
josepopoff |
2/1/2012 |
2:44 PM |
Sorry, I'm no expert but how many of you have ss blog as a way of contextualizing? #ELTchat |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
2:44 PM |
RT @AnneSinclair1: http://t.co/qqZY9sWH #ELTchat great site for videos + lesson plans |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:45 PM |
@Marisa_C Agreed, as I just said to @OUPELTGlobal intonation is key in exponents #ELTchat |
TeachEslToday |
2/1/2012 |
2:45 PM |
Formality is not all, Ss need to understand that if they learn "How much" It has a reason:you can prepare a role play"at a shop"e.g #eltchat |
AnneSinclair1 |
2/1/2012 |
2:45 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: OK not much time left I wanted to mention how important phonology is here - esp intonation and how neglected #eltchat |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
2:46 PM |
@Shaunwilden Agreed But need to be wary of too much emphasis on intonation. My sts love to ham it up and end up sounding ridiculous!#eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
2/1/2012 |
2:46 PM |
I think phonology is very important. No use understanding it if you can't say it. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:46 PM |
We also use lots of games with cards of various descriptions - function-retort/fnctn-tenor/ functn-context etc #eltchat |
TeachEslToday |
2/1/2012 |
2:47 PM |
Hide your intentions with drills, introduce something funny in them, make it competitive otherwise,Ss will get bored #eltchat |
TeachEslToday |
2/1/2012 |
2:47 PM |
Hide your intentions with drills, introduce something funny in them, make it competitive otherwise,Ss will get bored #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:47 PM |
@worldteacher Haha but i guess if they ham it up deliberately at least they know what the intonation should be :-) #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:47 PM |
@worldteacher Haha but i guess if they ham it up deliberately at least they know what the intonation should be :-) #eltchat |
AnneSinclair1 |
2/1/2012 |
2:47 PM |
http://t.co/iT4aOYx9 #ELTchat good discussion here on functions |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:48 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C Re: intonation - so true, often more important than formal vs informal vocabulary. #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2/1/2012 |
2:48 PM |
@Marisa_C Re: intonation - so true, often more important than formal vs informal vocabulary. #eltchat |
JoHart |
2/1/2012 |
2:48 PM |
RT @anna_bring: skyped with @JoHart in class today, all of a sudden my students went all quiet and shy. want to skype us next week? #ELTchat |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
2:48 PM |
@Shaunwilden True!! Just have to get them to tone it down in real-life situations! #eltchat |
DianaSchwa |
2/1/2012 |
2:48 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: I think phonology is very important. No use understanding it if you can't say it. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:48 PM |
@worldteacher i don't mind that so much - in feedback u can mention it #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
2/1/2012 |
2:49 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C Re: intonation - so true, often more important than formal vs informal vocabulary. #eltchat |
michaelegriffin |
2/1/2012 |
2:49 PM |
@BobK99 I guess I just have a hard time imagining "teaching" things like functional language to lower level students from scratch. #ELTchat |
pennyhands |
2/1/2012 |
2:49 PM |
MT @annehodg Blogged on focusing on communication strategies rather than exponents in productive tasks >> I really like this idea #eltchat |
atiyilmaz |
2/1/2012 |
2:49 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal #eltchat I think it is not as it is more detailed especially in terms of vocab and tenses! |
AnneSinclair1 |
2/1/2012 |
2:49 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C Re: intonation - so true, often more important than formal vs informal vocabulary. #eltchat |
TeachEslToday |
2/1/2012 |
2:49 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal Very true, nevertheless understanding is the first step ;) #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:50 PM |
RT @annehodg: .... functions, intonation r imp, but our international sts, who use ELF, need to analyze communication strategies #eltchat |
AnneSinclair1 |
2/1/2012 |
2:51 PM |
@michaelegriffin I think it's easier to teach functions, the language you need in a situation #ELTchat |
BobK99 |
2/1/2012 |
2:51 PM |
@michaelegriffin #ELTchat Yeah, I guess 'beginner' and 'nuance' are mutually exclusive. Which makes my comment pretty lame! :) |
atiyilmaz |
2/1/2012 |
2:51 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal Yes it is the key! But what about giving them in related & appropriate context? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:51 PM |
@michaelegriffin have done it esp early days of functional delirium in coursebooks - my job as a junior T of beginners #ELTchat |
TeachEslToday |
2/1/2012 |
2:51 PM |
Intonation tip: My Ss hear a short dialogue from a movie they like, and then they try to imitate the intonation (using transcript) #eltchat |
SimonGreenall |
2/1/2012 |
2:51 PM |
#eltchat a multi-syllabus course design will include functions, grammar, intonation as part of pron, register and all other syllabus strands |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:52 PM |
@BobK99 but (almost) every function can be realised in v simple language - so possible to equip beginners with broad range early on #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:52 PM |
RT @AnneSinclair1: @michaelegriffin I think it's easier to teach functions, the language you need in a situation #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
2/1/2012 |
2:52 PM |
Hi People. I think functions are the first thing you need as a beginner. Greetings, apologising, asking for help...#ELTchat |
ELTExperiences |
2/1/2012 |
2:52 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @worldteacher: @OUPELTGlobal Giving a student context will always help them to remember it #eltchat |
DianaSchwa |
2/1/2012 |
2:52 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @worldteacher: @OUPELTGlobal Giving a student context will always help them to remember it #eltchat |
annehodg |
2/1/2012 |
2:53 PM |
Blogged about the difficulty of teaching functional language in a task-based classroom http://t.co/xeGgubg3 #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:53 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal Oh that was a great book :-) #eltchat |
AnneSinclair1 |
2/1/2012 |
2:53 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: Hi People. I think functions are the first thing you need as a beginner. Greetings, apologising, asking for help...#ELTchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
2/1/2012 |
2:53 PM |
I remember using a book "Variations on a Theme" same dialogue but in different contexts. I loved it - helped a lot with intonation #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:53 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: Hi People. I think functions are the first thing you need as a beginner. Greetings, apologising, asking for help...#ELTchat |
AnneSinclair1 |
2/1/2012 |
2:54 PM |
RT @annehodg: Blogged about the difficulty of teaching functional language in a task-based classroom http://t.co/xeGgubg3 #eltchat |
ELTExperiences |
2/1/2012 |
2:54 PM |
Isn't functional language something that could be supported with scaffolding student language that has emerged during discussion? #ELTChat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:54 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal #eltchat I still have it - variations on a theme really rocked! |
OUPELTGlobal |
2/1/2012 |
2:54 PM |
@SueAnnan Functions at beg is important and it tells students language is to be used from the very beginning #eltchat |
SimonGreenall |
2/1/2012 |
2:54 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @OUPELTGlobal Oh that was a great book :-) #eltchat> Great book. |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:55 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 good point re TBL for beginners lower levels but why not later - where is the difficulty? #eltchat |
BobK99 |
2/1/2012 |
2:55 PM |
@Shaunwilden #ELTchat Yeah but, no but, yeah but, no but...:) I don't underestimate simple words, but much nuance comes later |
TeachEslToday |
2/1/2012 |
2:55 PM |
First functions? Language to survive in the English class: How do you say... I'm sorry, Can I.. My dog ate my homework ;) #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
2/1/2012 |
2:55 PM |
#eltchat@OUPELTGlobal Oh that was a great book :-) #eltchat Still use it a lot - timeless! |
SueAnnan |
2/1/2012 |
2:56 PM |
@SimonGreenall absolutely #ELTchat |
Yuki_Yukihiro |
2/1/2012 |
2:56 PM |
RT @AnneSinclair1: http://t.co/iT4aOYx9 #ELTchat good discussion here on functions |
SimonGreenall |
2/1/2012 |
2:56 PM |
@SueAnnan #eltchat Yes, because many of them are fixed expressions, and can be learnt relatively easil y even if structurally complex. |
SueAnnan |
2/1/2012 |
2:57 PM |
@Marisa_C yes. But we have various levels of formality that they can cope with at different stages #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
2:57 PM |
Our Ss understand the notion that the more complex the form and convoluted the phrasing the more the distance & formality #eltchat |
josepopoff |
2/1/2012 |
2:58 PM |
@Shaunwilden I guess blogging allows kids to put their experiences , their context in words using the language? #ELTchat |
AnneSinclair1 |
2/1/2012 |
2:58 PM |
@Marisa_C later too! #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2/1/2012 |
2:58 PM |
@Shaunwilden of course. Perfect for most situations anyway :-) #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:58 PM |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C Or just teach functions that are neutral to remove formality issues #eltchat |
michaelegriffin |
2/1/2012 |
2:58 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden comes up in c/room lang - can I have pen, Would you mind opening >>Good point, was thinking more complicated stuff #ELTchat |
AnneSinclair1 |
2/1/2012 |
2:58 PM |
RT @SimonGreenall: @SueAnnan #eltchat Yes, because many of them are fixed expressions, and can be learnt relatively easil y even if structurally complex. |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
2:59 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: as we approach the end, wld I be right in saying context, noticing, &repetition are imp in helping sts remember? #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal |
2/1/2012 |
2:59 PM |
as we approach the end, wld I be right in saying context, noticing, and repetition are important in helping sts remember? #eltchat |
annehodg |
2/1/2012 |
3:00 PM |
@phil3wade We did debates and developing games to influence people. Incredibly productive 28 stds from 18 countries. #eltchat |
SimonGreenall |
2/1/2012 |
3:00 PM |
#eltchat It may be worth remembering that even structurally complex expressions can appear at low levels in simple functional exponents. |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
3:01 PM |
@SimonGreenall example? blew my mind - i thought the reverse was on #eltchat |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
3:01 PM |
@Shaunwilden I need to read the transcript, anyway because I was side-tracked for part of #eltchat! |
OUPELTGlobal |
2/1/2012 |
3:01 PM |
Gotta go (great expression). Thanks for a rewarding chat and to the moderators for a great job - as usual! #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
3:01 PM |
@worldteacher @Marisa_C Super that's very kind (and quick) of you :-) transcript sent to you in a bit #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
2/1/2012 |
3:01 PM |
Nice to add my two-penny-worth at the end. Must fly. Will catch you eltchatters tonight #ELTchat Looking forward to the summary |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
3:01 PM |
@Shaunwilden I'll take it, Shaun! #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
3:02 PM |
Thanks for joining today's #eltchat tonight we're talking 'Ways to get teenage learners working together effectively in class? ' |
annehodg |
2/1/2012 |
3:02 PM |
@phil3wade The productive new language was everything under the sun - communication strategies brilliant - functional lang simple #eltchat |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
3:02 PM |
@Shaunwilden Will look forward to getting it #eltchat |
ELTchat |
2/1/2012 |
3:03 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: Don't forget to subscribe and listen to the #ELTchat podcast! http://t.co/aG6PlEa8 |
Shaunwilden |
2/1/2012 |
3:03 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: Don't forget to subscribe and listen to the #ELTchat podcast! http://t.co/KrhbvNGs |
SimonGreenall |
2/1/2012 |
3:03 PM |
@Marisa_C #eltchat We can teach 'WOuld you like to ... Yes, I would/No, I wouldn't at beginner's level in a functional syllabus, but ... |
theteacherjames |
2/1/2012 |
3:03 PM |
Don't forget to subscribe and listen to the #ELTchat podcast! http://t.co/lcWQMs9U |
AnneSinclair1 |
2/1/2012 |
3:03 PM |
#ELTchat Thank you for an interesting chat& thanks to Marisa & Shaun :) |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
3:04 PM |
@worldteacher #eltchat thz Andrea - this could prove really useful to u :-D |
AnneSinclair1 |
2/1/2012 |
3:04 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Thanks for joining today's #eltchat tonight we're talking 'Ways to get teenage learners working together effectively in class? ' |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
3:04 PM |
@SimonGreenall #eltchat oh ok gotcha - thought u wer talking abt mega complex items - i think we more or less take these for granted no? |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
3:04 PM |
@Shaunwilden Won't be able to stay up for that one (4am here), but will look out for the summary because that's the one I voted for!#eltchat |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
3:05 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: Don't forget to subscribe and listen to the #ELTchat podcast! http://t.co/QKcAVloX >Already do - it's great! |
SimonGreenall |
2/1/2012 |
3:05 PM |
#eltchat @Marisa_C .... not until later in a grammar/structure driven syllabus, because of the 2nd conditionals. |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
3:06 PM |
@SimonGreenall #eltchat mind you - i don't think this done v well in most CBs |
BobK99 |
2/1/2012 |
3:06 PM |
Bye all at #eltchat ; usual loads of food for thought, See you next week. |
worldteacher |
2/1/2012 |
3:06 PM |
Another hour flies by on #eltchat!! |
SimonGreenall |
2/1/2012 |
3:06 PM |
@Marisa_C #eltchat Possible we do take for granted, but Grammar and Functions are two syllabus strands which can be worked v well together. |
michaelegriffin |
2/1/2012 |
3:07 PM |
Thanks all for a v. interesting/informative #ELTchat...especially for the reminder about classroom language and functional language |
SimonGreenall |
2/1/2012 |
3:07 PM |
#ELTchat Thank you Marisa and Shaun. Bye |
SimonGreenall |
2/1/2012 |
3:08 PM |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat Good job I signed off early, otherwise I might have to argue this one with you :) |
asmariz |
2/1/2012 |
3:10 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Join us in 10 minutes for #ELTchat on helping Ss remember & use/reuse functional language Pls RT |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
3:10 PM |
@SimonGreenall you would probably win that argument :-D #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2/1/2012 |
3:10 PM |
Thank you all for joining in today's #eltchat. Special thanks to @SimonGreenall - a key figure in the functional/notional framework creation |
english247 |
2/1/2012 |
3:15 PM |
Practise your English with this fun listening quiz about Groundhog Day (Feb 2) http://t.co/I5EMweat #esl #elt #twinglish #ingles #eltchat |
SimonGreenall |
2/1/2012 |
3:15 PM |
@Marisa_C Thank you for compliment, but I follow #eltchat to keep me up to speed. Bravo to you and @Shaunwilden and ELTChat |
annehodg |
2/1/2012 |
3:17 PM |
@SimonGreenall @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden Thank you for leading this great #eltchat |
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