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How to help slow learners inside and outside classroom

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This is the transcript of #eltchat on 11.01.2012 on helping slow learners inside and outside of the classroom.

 

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esolcourses 12:01 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: Almost time for today's #eltchat : How to help 'slow learners' inside and outside classroom? > Ready? yep :)
ELTExperiences 12:01 PM @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C are well ready ... 'cos I am #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 12:02 PM RT @ELTExperiences: Would I be able to start the first question at all? #ELTChat go for it
OUPELTGlobal 12:02 PM Hello everyone! Looking forward to the discussion today - helping slow learners  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:02 PM Ok welcome to #eltchat How to help 'slow learners' inside and outside classroom? - mods at mo at me and @Marisa_C so if you need owt....
ELTExperiences 12:02 PM Would I be able to start the first question at all? #ELTChat
ELTExperiences 12:03 PM How do we define 'slow learners'? Are they really slow or just slower to what we are used to? Does nationality matter? #ELTChat
NikkiFortova 12:03 PM Hello everyone, I'm looking  forward to the chat :-)  #ELTChat
Marisa_C 12:03 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Ok welcome to #eltchat How to help 'slow learners' inside and outside classroom? - mods at mo at me and @Marisa_C so if you need owt....
ELTchat 12:03 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Ok welcome to #eltchat How to help 'slow learners' inside and outside classroom? - mods at mo at me and @Marisa_C so if you need owt....
rliberni 12:04 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @ELTExperiences Tiz a good question I think labelling sb 'slow' is not good #ELTChat
OUPELTGlobal 12:04 PM @ELTExperiences great question was wondering that myself.  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:04 PM @ELTExperiences Tiz a good question I think labelling sb 'slow' is not good #ELTChat
rliberni 12:04 PM @Shaunwilden  and me :-) I'm here #eltchat
ELTchat 12:04 PM Welcome everyone to this #ELTchat on how to help 'slow learners' in and out of class. Join the conversation by typing #ELTchat in search
teflgeek 12:04 PM RT @ELTExperiences: How do we define 'slow learners'?  #ELTChat > good question!  What does "slow" mean?
Shaunwilden 12:05 PM There are too many factors to say sb is slow - slow at what? I doubt they are slow in every aspect of learning Eng #ELTChat
ELTExperiences 12:05 PM Just realised my question has two points -> nationality and the definition of 'slow'. #ELTChat
ELTchat 12:05 PM Save your #ELTchat search and you will be able to follow all the tweets in the conversation
teflgeek 12:05 PM slow - inefficient?  Ineffective?  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:05 PM RT @rliberni: @Shaunwilden  and me :-) I'm here #eltchat Oh sorry t'other mod is here as well, hi Berni :-)
ELTExperiences 12:06 PM @OUPELTGlobal but would the student be in the class if they are learning more slowly or not comprehending everything? #ELTChat
teflgeek 12:06 PM slow learning suggests an issue relating to learner styles or learning beliefs #eltchat
rliberni 12:06 PM @Shaunwilden  I'm sure the reasons are diverse and so do we need diverse method of help? #eltchat
motherchina 12:06 PM RT @ELTchat: Welcome everyone to this #ELTchat on how to help 'slow learners' in and out of class. Join the conversation by typing #ELTchat in search
OUPELTGlobal 12:06 PM For me a slow student is one that is learning more slowly than the rest of the CLASS he or she is in, for whatever reason. helpful? #eltchat
ELTExperiences 12:06 PM @teflgeek but another synonym of 'slowness' is 'methodical' and the sts wanting to be sure or 100% correct. #ELTChat
esolcourses 12:07 PM @OUPELTGlobal snap, more or less!  #ELTChat
rliberni 12:07 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Yes but learn what  we have four skills and 4 system areas is the implication that they are 'slow' in them all? #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 12:07 PM RT @rliberni: @Shaunwilden  I'm sure the reasons are diverse and so do we need diverse method of help? #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:07 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @ELTExperiences Tiz a good question I think labelling sb 'slow' is not good #ELTChat > agree
Shaunwilden 12:07 PM Yes but learn what  we have four skills and 4 system areas is the implication that they are 'slow' in them all? #ELTChat
Marisa_C 12:07 PM @OUPELTGlobal Yes - assumes a learning pace which must be followed by ALL students #eltchat
ELTExperiences 12:08 PM @OUPELTGlobal I think nationality is important: I remember Korean learners don't want to lose face when speaking so stay quiet. #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 12:08 PM RT @rliberni: Do we need a working definition here perhaps  for the purposes of this chat? #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:08 PM @Shaunwilden So, it looks like if reasons diverse we need ways of finding out what it is exactly that slows diff indivs down  #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:08 PM @ELTExperiences Yes, right level, but conditions changed - maybe at work, personal, the language, motivation, ... #eltchat
rliberni 12:08 PM Do we need a working definition here perhaps  for the purposes of this chat? #eltchat
ELTExperiences 12:08 PM @OUPELTGlobal but would thestudent bein the wrong class ifthey arelearning more slowly or not comprehending everything? #ELTChat - miss word
ELTExperiences 12:09 PM @OUPELTGlobal One misconception of Koreans is that they are quiet or unsure but need space from the NT to formulate their answers. #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 12:09 PM RT @ELTExperiences: @OUPELTGlobal I think nationality is important:. #ELTChat I think this has a part in it yes
ELTExperiences 12:10 PM @esolcourses @OUPELTGlobal totally agree Sue. #ELTChat
teflgeek 12:10 PM @rliberni we need to find out what the reasons are and then we can help #eltchat
esolcourses 12:10 PM @ELTExperiences @OUPELTGlobal  IME, learners can end up in a class that doesn't fit their needs because it's all that is available #ELTChat
ELTExperiences 12:10 PM RT @rliberni: So if we agree that our learner in mind is behind the rest of the class for some reason - how can we help? #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:10 PM Processing time and rates of acquisition are not the same for everyone - a given #ELTchat - hence mixed ability skills in Ts essential
BobK99 12:11 PM #eltchat  Just back from Dentist - catching up...
Books4English 12:11 PM RT @ELTExperiences: I am looking forward to today's #ELTChat in a few minutes: How to help 'slow learners' inside and outside the classroom.
motherchina 12:11 PM @ELTExperiences @oupeltglobal and being quiet does not mean Ss are slow #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:11 PM @teflgeek @rliberni So one reason put forward is nationality, I'll add precious learning expereinces, what else? #ELTChat
NikkiFortova 12:12 PM @bnleez  What is RTI?#ELTChat
OUPELTGlobal 12:12 PM I think learning style and expectationn is very important. Students was used to another teacher the year before.  #eltchat
bnleez 12:12 PM Are we discussing Ss with learning disabilities? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:12 PM RT @ELTExperiences: @bnleez what is RTI? #ELTChat
Marisa_C 12:12 PM RT @motherchina: @ELTExperiences @oupeltglobal and being quiet does not mean Ss are slow #ELTchat > very true
Shaunwilden 12:12 PM @bnleez No it's a good addition, would be on my list :-) #ELTChat
8Amber8 12:12 PM RT @ShellTerrell: rt @harrisonmike Can I come into your classroom? Do you want to come into mine? http://t.co/N95uWh0A #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:12 PM @BobK99 Why is the dentist an old friend :-) #ELTChat
bnleez 12:12 PM Perhaps we might discuss RTI for those who need it, instead of labeling Ss "slow" #eltchat http://t.co/tzU302vQ
teflgeek 12:12 PM @Shaunwilden or is that waht you meant? #ELTChat
rliberni 12:12 PM @teflgeek  I agree but for the purposes of this chat I think we are throwing out suggestions that might fit a variety of stds #eltchat
teflgeek 12:13 PM @OUPELTGlobal Agree - learning style mismatches can cause problems #eltchat
fionamau 12:13 PM RT @louisealix68: #eltchat I would say 'affect' plays a large role in the (speed of the) learning process.
louisealix68 12:13 PM #eltchat I would say 'affect' plays a large role in the (speed of the) learning process.
bnleez 12:13 PM RTI: http://t.co/tzU302vQ #eltchat
SophiaCon1 12:13 PM RT @Marisa_C: Processing time and rates of acquisition are not the same for everyone - a given #ELTchat - hence mixed ability skills in Ts essential
esolcourses 12:14 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @motherchina: @ELTExperiences @oupeltglobal and being quiet does not mean Ss are slow #ELTchat > very true
rliberni 12:14 PM @teflgeek  no, that's not what I mean at all - but we can't analyse every possible reason in the time we have here #eltchat
SophiaCon1 12:14 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @motherchina: @ELTExperiences @oupeltglobal and being quiet does not mean Ss are slow #ELTchat > very true
motherchina 12:14 PM @bnleez slow learners in general #ELTchat
teflgeek 12:14 PM @rliberni one size fits all?  OK #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:15 PM @ELTExperiences Isn't that easier than in the classroom, as easier to set differentiated tasks? #ELTChat
bnleez 12:15 PM Perhaps personalized learning plans would help Ss with disabilities (all students really). #eltchat
rliberni 12:15 PM RT @ELTExperiences: Anyhow, how can we include 'slow' or 'independent' learners inside the classroom? #ELTChat
rliberni 12:15 PM RT @motherchina: @OUPELTGlobal but Ss can easily adapt if activities are fun #ELTchat
motherchina 12:15 PM @OUPELTGlobal but Ss can easily adapt if activities are fun #ELTchat
ELTExperiences 12:15 PM Anyhow, how can we include 'slow' or 'independent' learners inside the classroom? #ELTChat
SophiaCon1 12:15 PM @Marisa_C @motherchina @ELTExperiences @oupeltglobal agree #ELTchat
fionamau 12:16 PM RT @louisealix68: #eltchat 'affect' plays a large role > Agreed. The inner eye/voice, if st visualises self as successful or not
SophiaCon1 12:16 PM @motherchina @OUPELTGlobal it depends if they r shy nt so easily #ELTchat
bnleez 12:16 PM A committee set up to manage PLPs (personalized learning plans) helps link students, teachers, and parents. #eltchat
ELTExperiences 12:16 PM @bnleez I agree with your point but I fail to see how 'slow' learners have a disability. #ELTChat
teflgeek 12:16 PM @ELTExperiences the more you know about your learners, the more you can help them.  Needs Analysis? #ELTChat
Marisa_C 12:16 PM Having trouble with tweetdeck #ELTchat
rliberni 12:16 PM RT @bnleez: Perhaps personalized learning plans would help Ss with disabilities (all students really). #eltchat gr8 idea
rliberni 12:17 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @bnleez I see the benefits of PLP but does the average teacher esp in private LS have the time? #ELTChat
ELTExperiences 12:17 PM Isn't there too much dependence on 'reactive' lesson planning for 'slow learners' and there is little on proactive lesson planning? #ELTChat
harrisonmike 12:17 PM If some students are having trouble dealing w/ long bits of input, keep it bitesize - reading texts of a paragraph, 1-2 mins audio #eltchat
motherchina 12:17 PM @ELTExperiences small group activities with opportunities for class sharing #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:17 PM @bnleez I see the benefits of PLP but does the average teacher esp in private LS have the time? #ELTChat
Marisa_C 12:17 PM RT @fionamau: RT @louisealix68: #eltchat 'affect' plays a large role > yes The inner eye/voice, if st visualises self as successful or not
NikkiFortova 12:18 PM RT @esolcourses: RT @harrisonmike: If some students are having trouble dealing w/ long bits of input, keep it bitesize #eltchat
SophiaCon1 12:18 PM RT @Marisa_C: So confidence building/boosting necessary for some learners with low esteem #ELTchat
esolcourses 12:18 PM RT @harrisonmike: If some students are having trouble dealing w/ long bits of input, keep it bitesize #eltchat
vickyloras 12:18 PM RT @Marisa_C: Processing time and rates of acquisition are not the same for everyone - a given #ELTchat - hence mixed ability skills in Ts essential
Shaunwilden 12:18 PM During #ELTChat please only post about the topic
teflgeek 12:18 PM @ELTExperiences Include "fast finisher" tasks for the quicker SS so you can spend more time with slower #ELTChat
yitzha_sarwono 12:18 PM RT @bnleez: A committee set up to manage PLPs (personalized learning plans) helps link students, teachers, and parents. #eltchat
rliberni 12:18 PM RT @Marisa_C: So confidence building/boosting necessary for some learners with low esteem #ELTchat
Marisa_C 12:18 PM So confidence building/boosting necessary for some learners with low esteem #ELTchat
bnleez 12:18 PM Differentiated tasks are important, but if we are dealing with Ss with disabilities, deeper intervention is necessary. #eltchat
rliberni 12:18 PM RT @motherchina: @ELTExperiences small group activities with opportunities for class sharing #ELTchat
ELTExperiences 12:19 PM @MariaB074 at initial assessment we must  try to connect with our students.Little dialogues outside classroom increase confidence #ELTChat
bnleez 12:19 PM My short answer: RTI, personal learning plans, and a in-house school committee that oversees RTI, personal learning plans #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:19 PM @ELTExperiences @bnleez didn't say that slow learners have a disability. But it may be a contributing factor for some #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:19 PM @louisealix68 Stations are an excellent idea #ELTChat
vickyloras 12:19 PM Lurking a bit 'til I get into a meeting #eltchat good stuff!
rliberni 12:19 PM RT @Shaunwilden: During #ELTChat please only post about the topic
rliberni 12:19 PM Can we back up our classroom work with some extra stuff online for certain stds maybe #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:19 PM RT @esolcourses: RT @harrisonmike: If some students are having trouble dealing w/ long bits of input, keep it bitesize #eltchat
rliberni 12:20 PM RT @BobK99: RT @teflgeek: "slow" lrnng suggests  issue re lrnr styles or lrng beliefs #eltchat! Yes,'slow' = teacher hasn't found what they're quick at?
teflgeek 12:20 PM does anyone else know what RTI means? #eltchat
BobK99 12:20 PM RT @teflgeek: "slow" lrnng suggests  issue re lrnr styles or lrng beliefs #eltchat! Yes,'slow' = teacher hasn't found what they're quick at?
motherchina 12:20 PM Collaborative Task based activities where Ss can contribute based on what they're good at- tapping multiple intelligence #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:20 PM RT @rliberni: Can we back up our classroom work with some extra stuff online for certain stds maybe #eltchat
NikkiFortova 12:20 PM @bnleez Can you help me with that RTI means? #eltchat
bnleez 12:20 PM in-house school committee drives open dialogs with teachers, admins., student(s), and parents. #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 12:20 PM RT @Marisa_C: Processing time and rates of acquisition are not the same for everyone - a given #ELTchat - hence mixed ability skills in Ts essential
esolcourses 12:20 PM RT @rliberni: Can we back up our classroom work with some extra stuff online for certain stds maybe #eltchat ]  IME exp, often helps a lot
teflgeek 12:20 PM @bnleez RTI? #eltchat
teflgeek 12:21 PM @Shaunwilden page not found #ELTChat
yitzha_sarwono 12:21 PM I 2nd that! :-) it works for me RT @Marisa_C: So confidence building/boosting necessary for some learners with low esteem #ELTchat
NikkiFortova 12:21 PM RT @teflgeek: does anyone else know what RTI means? #eltchat > no, but i'd like to :-)
Marisa_C 12:21 PM @motherchina Yes, allowing different Ss to 'shine' at different pts in lesson  #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:21 PM @teflgeek He posted a link http://t.co/9YEdfgWt #ELTChat
rliberni 12:22 PM RTI = Response To Intervention I think #eltchat
ELTExperiences 12:22 PM Personally, getting sts to work on projects (inside or outside classroom) helps immensely = Learner based projects #ELTChat
motherchina 12:22 PM @louisealix68 good suggestion but that'll depend on the # of Ss #ELTchat
NikkiFortova 12:22 PM RT @Marisa_C: @motherchina Yes, allowing different Ss to 'shine' at different pts in lesson  #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:22 PM @teflgeek The only thing that comes to mind is "return on investment". ? #eltchat
MariaB074 12:23 PM @motherchina I agree,great point- collaboration and peer sharing are key factors. And we must think in layers-multiple intelligence #ELTchat
rliberni 12:23 PM RT @Marisa_C: Feedback and correction which is not done in a sympathetic non-judgemental way may also threaten the slower acquirer #ELTchat
rliberni 12:23 PM RT @louisealix68: #eltchat What about differentiated/personalised assessment/output (such as based on CEFR type scale per skill)?
Marisa_C 12:23 PM Feedback and correction which is not done in a sympathetic non-judgemental way may also threaten the slower acquirer #ELTchat
teflgeek 12:23 PM @Shaunwilden response to intervention!   Thanks Shaun! #ELTChat
louisealix68 12:23 PM #eltchat What about differentiated/personalised assessment/output (such as based on CEFR type scale per skill)?
Shaunwilden 12:23 PM RT @rliberni: RTI = Response To Intervention I think #eltchat
teflgeek 12:23 PM @OUPELTGlobal response to intervention?  Real time interaction?  I've got no idea. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:23 PM @teflgeek How about now? http://t.co/abxnwkyR  #ELTChat
ELTExperiences 12:24 PM RT @Marisa_C: Feedback and correction which is not done in a sympathetic non-judgemental way may also threaten the slower acquirer #ELTchat
duncan_lydbury 12:24 PM @rliberni http://t.co/4iZEarnA #eltchat
fionamau 12:24 PM RT @Marisa_C: Having trouble with tweetdeck #ELTchat > Me too! Nothing for minutes, now a flood! Yeek! (And hello there, btw :-))
SophiaCon1 12:24 PM RT @Marisa_C: Feedback and correction which is not done in a sympathetic non-judgemental way may also threaten the slower acquirer #ELTchat
teflgeek 12:24 PM @BobK99 or that the learners have an inefficient model of learning (and the teacher too maybe?) #eltchat
louisealix68 12:24 PM @motherchina indeed - is best suited to large class rather than small groups. #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:25 PM RT @ELTExperiences: @Marisa_C @SophiaCon1 I agree with this point. Empathy goes a long way in the classroom. #ELTChat #eltchat
bnleez 12:25 PM I'm not saying the "slow" learners have disabilities.  Just trying to narrow down the types of Ss we are talking about. #eltchat
fionamau 12:25 PM RT @Marisa_C: So confidence building/boosting necessary for some learners with low esteem #ELTchat
motherchina 12:25 PM @Marisa_C yes, feedback without grades is more effective #ELTchat
rliberni 12:25 PM RT @duncan_lydbury: @rliberni http://t.co/4iZEarnA #eltchat
rliberni 12:25 PM @duncan_lydbury  thanks Duncan :-) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:25 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: What about open-ended activities, allowing each student to contribute at his level? #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:25 PM What about open-ended activities, allowing each student to contribute at his level? #eltchat
ELTExperiences 12:25 PM @Marisa_C @SophiaCon1 I agree with this point. Empathy goes a long way in the classroom. #ELTChat
esolcourses 12:26 PM Originally set up my website to help slow learners in my classes.  Now has 1000+ free online activities :) http://t.co/5XXbOQbZ #eltchat
fionamau 12:26 PM #eltchat Did anyone else see that report on the flipped classroom? That must work well w slower sts/varying aptitudes
bnleez 12:26 PM If we are not talking about students with disabilities, who are we talking about?  Struggling students?  Seems quite a broad topic. #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:26 PM Good point about personalised assessments of language progress as well as traits, style & personal issues which may block learning #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 12:26 PM RT @Marisa_C: Feedback and correction which is not done in a sympathetic non-judgemental way may also threaten the slower acquirer #ELTchat
motherchina 12:26 PM @MariaB074 I've seen collaborative task based projects work for 'slow' learners #ELTchat
rliberni 12:27 PM RT @motherchina: Providing task guidelines helps too #ELTchat
domi75P 12:27 PM Team work can make life easier for slow learners if the group is small  #ELTchat
rliberni 12:27 PM What practical things can we suggest for extension work for learners who may be having problems keeping up? tech is key I think #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:27 PM @bnleez I think many tchrs randomly and unfairly label sts slow because they cant keep up  #ELTChat
OUPELTGlobal 12:27 PM RT @motherchina: @MariaB074 I've seen collaborative task based projects work for 'slow' learners #ELTchat #eltchat
ELTExperiences 12:27 PM I think 'slow learners' could be distracted within the classroom, but I suppose this is related to student interest in classroom #ELTChat
esolcourses 12:28 PM RT @teflgeek: @rliberni pre-warning:  tell learners what will be covered in the next lesson so they can pre-prepare #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:28 PM @Shaunwilden If they can't keep up, doesn't that mean they are slow? Not being judgemental of the students #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 12:28 PM I did a drama show & it workedRT @OUPELTGlobal: What about open-ended activities, allowing each student to contribute at his level? #eltchat
teflgeek 12:28 PM @rliberni gives them more confidence and more ability to contribute #eltchat
rliberni 12:28 PM RT @teflgeek: @rliberni pre-warning:  tell learners what will be covered in the next lesson so they can pre-prepare #eltchat good idea!
bnleez 12:28 PM Labeling any student "slow" is horrible. #eltchat
teflgeek 12:28 PM @rliberni pre-warning:  tell learners what will be covered in the next lesson so they can pre-prepare #eltchat
domi75P 12:28 PM RT @motherchina: Providing task guidelines helps too #ELTchat agree
ELTExperiences 12:28 PM I am having trouble with the #ELTChat .. let me see how it performs.
louisealix68 12:29 PM perhaps also advisable to spend time on learning strategies. Y r they slow learners? Perhaps inefficient learners? (cf R. Oxford) #eltchat
rliberni 12:29 PM RT @Marisa_C: A wiki with revision and extension work is always a good idea. I recently made one for our interm Ss  #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:29 PM A wiki with revision and extension work is always a good idea. I recently made one for our interm Ss  #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:29 PM RT @teflgeek: @rliberni pre-warning: tell learners what will be covered in the next lesson so they can pre-prepare #eltchat
ELTExperiences 12:29 PM @rliberni yeah .. I like to get learners to be involved with the classroom in some way and tech is best #ELTChat
teflgeek 12:30 PM @ELTExperiences but again - that reflects learning beliefs - if you challenge the beliefs, you could change the learners #ELTChat
Marisa_C 12:30 PM @yitzha_sarwono Drama and project work of various types always a great motivator . hence booster > drama ALWAYS helps accelerate #eltchat
motherchina 12:30 PM @Shaunwilden @bnleez and this is sometimes caused by faulty Student placement practices #ELTchat
rliberni 12:30 PM RT @harrisonmike: @fionamau Surely this depends if students have the self motivation to work on their skills outside the classroom #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:30 PM @fionamau Surely this depends if students have the self motivation to work on their skills outside the classroom #eltchat
ELTExperiences 12:30 PM @bnleez that is why I like to label them as 'methodical' as they take their time and are probably quite accurate but usually quiet #ELTChat
Marisa_C 12:31 PM Does anyone have individual progress tutorials? I recently started those inspired by the CELTA, and found that Ss REALLY respond #Eltchat
rliberni 12:31 PM Can anyone share success stories around this topic? #eltchat
gknightbkk 12:31 PM The teacher-learner-task dynamic is wrapped in context. I refuse to learn in a room without a window #eltchat
motherchina 12:31 PM @rliberni yes, any type of outside the classroom support is helpful- downside: extra teacher load #ELTchat
ELTExperiences 12:31 PM I saw a great comic creation website which 'slow' learners could use outside of class - http://t.co/yUR3cctW #ELTChat
motherchina 12:32 PM @teflgeek @rliberni if they prepare! #ELTchat
esolcourses 12:32 PM RT @bnleez Labeling any student "slow" is horrible. #eltchat ] agree, & dislike labelling. Need to find some phrase to discuss the issue tho
motherchina 12:32 PM @bnleez I agree, who came up with that term anyway :-) #ELTchat
BobK99 12:32 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @bnleez I think many tchrs ... label sts slow because they cant keep up  #ELTChat ! Yes, easy cop-out: "Not MY fault" ;-)
Shaunwilden 12:32 PM @motherchina Yes completely and PLS trying to fit sts into classes  #ELTChat
teflgeek 12:32 PM Ellis on learner beliefs (powerpoint) http://t.co/vvZ1QWI4 #eltchat
vickysaumell 12:32 PM RT @rliberni: Can we back up our classroom work with some extra stuff online for certain stds maybe #eltchat > Exactly!
rliberni 12:32 PM @motherchina doesn't have to be if stds find their own xtension stuff #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:32 PM @OUPELTGlobal  I think that inexp tchrs can be judgmental but in fact it can be a whole host of reasons #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 12:33 PM RT @SophiaCon1 extra on lime practice is fun and not self threatening > the web or PC is not judgemental! :-)  #ELTChat
ELTExperiences 12:33 PM RT @esolcourses: RT @bnleez Labeling any student "slow" is horrible. #eltchat ] agree, & dislike labelling. Need to find some phrase to discuss the issue tho
OUPELTGlobal 12:33 PM @rliberni I've had good success by simply talking to a "slow" student and offering to help. I think just the attention is helpful. #eltchat
rliberni 12:33 PM @motherchina  a lot does depend on motivation I agree but if they aren't therein lies part of the problem I feel #eltchat
teflgeek 12:33 PM @motherchina if they don't then "slowness" is just "laziness"!!! #ELTchat
yitzha_sarwono 12:33 PM RT @gknightbkk: The teacher-learner-task dynamic is wrapped in context. I refuse to learn in a room without a window #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:33 PM RT @rliberni: Can anyone share success stories around this topic? #eltchat > good idea; just sharerd one :-)
ELTExperiences 12:33 PM @teflgeek I think giving learners space to increase their confidence is key for improving classroom interaction & understanding #ELTChat
Marisa_C 12:34 PM @OUPELTGlobal agree - was just talking about individual tuts - the attention is a mega factor - and T showing interest in st #eltchat
ELTExperiences 12:34 PM @rliberni @motherchina I think motivation, interest and confidence is key to get 'slow learners' involved inside & outside class #ELTChat
rliberni 12:34 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @SophiaCon1 extra online practice is fun and not self threatening > the web or PC is not judgemental! :-)  #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 12:35 PM @rliberni @SophiaCon1 these days publishers seem to  realizing this with their online workbooks and ability 4 tchrs to set ind bits #ELTChat
esolcourses 12:35 PM RT @rliberni: RT @Shaunwilden: RT @SophiaCon1 extra online practice is fun and not self threatening > absolutely #ELTChat
rliberni 12:36 PM RT @vickysaumell: @ELTExperiences: RE: getting sts 2 work on projects helps immensely #ELTChat >Well planned project work allows sts 2 perform at their level
motherchina 12:36 PM Telling Ss that making mistakes is part of learning works for me all the time. No one is perfect #ELTchat
yitzha_sarwono 12:36 PM @ELTExperiences @esolcourses @bnleez how about 'challenging'? Cause they do inspire us to be creative in handling them :-) #eltchat
teflgeek 12:36 PM @ELTExperiences agreed, but part of this is learner training #ELTChat
esolcourses 12:36 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: Sometimes simply asking the student how you can help them is good. Then providing that help.  #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:36 PM What I would LIKE to develop, is a plotting graph  where we can as Ss to self assess and then suggest OWN ways 4 improving #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:36 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: Sometimes simply asking the student how you can help them is good. Then providing that help.  #eltchat
vickysaumell 12:36 PM @ELTExperiences: RE: getting sts 2 work on projects helps immensely #ELTChat >Well planned project work allows sts 2 perform at their level
fionamau 12:36 PM RT @Shaunwilden @bnleez I think many tchrs randomly/unfairly label sts slow because they cant keep up  #ELTChat > Or cz tchr can't motivate
rliberni 12:36 PM @Marisa_C  @OUPELTGlobal  Yeah stds really like to know that you care about them as individuals this is v motivating for them #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:36 PM Sometimes simply asking the student how you can help them is good. Then providing that help.  #eltchat
jenverschoor 12:37 PM RT @Marisa_C: A wiki with revision and extension work is always a good idea. I recently made one for our interm Ss #eltchat >Stds love this.
Marisa_C 12:37 PM @louisealix68 was just talking about the same thing :-D Thx!  #ELTchat
louisealix68 12:37 PM RT @motherchina: Telling Ss that making mistakes is part of learning works for me all the time. No one is perfect #ELTchat . absolutely!
rliberni 12:37 PM RT @Marisa_C: The notion of the Language Portfolio model of assessment is very much in line with self appraisal etc #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:37 PM Sometimes getting students together so they can help each other works. The clrm is a social cntxt and a lonely st may not lrn well #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:37 PM The notion of the Language Portfolio model of assessment is very much in line with self appraisal etc #ELTchat
louisealix68 12:37 PM @Marisa_C  there is a self assessment tool for the CEFR which can help indicate any gaps in knowledge, e.g. dialang #ELTchat
rliberni 12:37 PM RT @motherchina: Telling Ss that making mistakes is part of learning works for me all the time. No one is perfect #ELTchat
Marisa_C 12:38 PM @ELTExperiences yes and marking - if done - should be based on riteria which are public not just known to the teacher  #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 12:38 PM RT @teflgeek: @OUPELTGlobal not all learners see collaboration as learning #eltchat very true, many feel it  is not
yitzha_sarwono 12:38 PM Agree! :-) RT @motherchina: Telling Ss that making mistakes is part of learning works for me all the time. No one is perfect #ELTchat
teflgeek 12:38 PM laptop battery almost dead.  Sorry to leave early #eltchat  see you next time
esolcourses 12:38 PM @yitzha_sarwono @ELTExperiences  @bnleez  maybe... though challenging could apply perhaps  to otther things as well...  #eltchat
teflgeek 12:38 PM @OUPELTGlobal not all learners see collaboration as learning #eltchat
ELTExperiences 12:38 PM @Marisa_C agree - visual progression for learners is more beneficial than arbitrary comments from the teacher at the end of course #ELTChat
OUPELTGlobal 12:38 PM RT @motherchina: Telling Ss that making mistakes is part of learning works for me all the time. No one is perfect #ELTchat #eltchat
rliberni 12:39 PM RT @ELTExperiences: There is some information about Language Portfolio for language learners here - http://t.co/ymoClrdY #ELTChat
DaveDodgson 12:39 PM By @ozge Me Speaking at TEDx http://t.co/IrcbPOyQ #ELTchat
ELTExperiences 12:39 PM There is some information about Language Portfolio for language learners here - http://t.co/ymoClrdY #ELTChat
rliberni 12:39 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @teflgeek: @OUPELTGlobal not all learners see collaboration as learning #eltchat very true, many feel it  is not
motherchina 12:40 PM @Shaunwilden @teflgeek @oupeltglobal  this is why I require students to give me a job list showing who did what #ELTchat
SophiaCon1 12:40 PM @OUPELTGlobal @motherchina this is sth to be taught #ELTchat
Marisa_C 12:40 PM sorry abt that #eltchat folks was my twitterfeed
ELTExperiences 12:41 PM There is the European Language Portfolio website (http://t.co/TCjNZlqo) which gives more ideas for teachers/learners #ELTChat
Marisa_C 12:41 PM RT @ELTExperiences: There is some information about Language Portfolio for language learners here - http://t.co/FraMCkY0  #ELTChat
rliberni 12:41 PM RT @cybraryman1: My Learning from Mistakes page http://t.co/JJxPjJbH #eltchat
cybraryman1 12:41 PM My Learning from Mistakes page http://t.co/JJxPjJbH #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:41 PM @motherchina @teflgeek @oupeltglobal Not sure I follow  #ELTChat
yitzha_sarwono 12:42 PM RT @cybraryman1: My Learning from Mistakes page http://t.co/JJxPjJbH #eltchat
ELTExperiences 12:42 PM Also new acronym for us teachers: ELP (English Language Portfolio) #ELTChat
rliberni 12:42 PM RT @motherchina: Collaborative tasks work if teachers guide Ss throughout the process #ELTchat
SophiaCon1 12:42 PM @ELTExperiences thanks #ELTchat
motherchina 12:42 PM Collaborative tasks work if teachers guide Ss throughout the process #ELTchat
rliberni 12:43 PM RT @ELTExperiences: Finally a wonderful article about 'student reflection' in Language Portfolios here - http://t.co/XDisft9k #ELTChat
Edu_Trends 12:43 PM Great YouTube Channel for kids! Songs teach grammar, etc. #kinderchat #eltchat #ellchat #esl #yltsig 67 http://t.co/dwYBcBXR
vickysaumell 12:43 PM I do PBL and provide rubrics at the beginning to assess both process and product. That gives a fairer chance to all sts. #ELTChat
OUPELTGlobal 12:44 PM RT @motherchina: What about assigning student mentors to other Ss who need help? #ELTchat #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:44 PM @motherchina That's a good idea but does it work in practice?  #ELTChat
cybraryman1 12:44 PM My Cooperative/Collaborative Learning page http://t.co/ct0TZcFN #eltchat
esolcourses 12:44 PM RT @Marisa_C: How about Ts who do have to follow a coursebook syllabus and can't 'let it all hang out' ? How can they balance? #ELTchat
esolcourses 12:44 PM RT @Marisa_C: How about Ts who do have to follow a coursebook syllabus and can't 'let it all hang out' ? How can they balance? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:44 PM @Edu_Trends Please only tweet about the topic during  #ELTChat
motherchina 12:44 PM What about assigning student mentors to other Ss who need help? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 12:44 PM How about Ts who do have to follow a coursebook syllabus and can't 'let it all hang out' so to speak? How can they balance? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 12:45 PM @motherchina Student mentoring is a great booster - I would suggest 'slower learners' mentor Ss of lower levels - works v well #ELTchat
BobK99 12:45 PM RT @cybraryman1: My Learning from Mistakes page http://t.co/KCtq1ARe #eltchat !Right on. 'If you never made a mistk you never made anything'
ELTExperiences 12:45 PM @Marisa_C I think balancing both coursebook & portfolio would be 'best practice'.Teachers shouldn't be 2 constrained by coursebooks #ELTChat
vickysaumell 12:45 PM RT @motherchina: What about assigning student mentors to other Ss who need help? #ELTchat > That can work well
padgets 12:45 PM RT @cybraryman1: My Learning from Mistakes page http://t.co/JJxPjJbH #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:46 PM It has worked for me. #eltchat
vickysaumell 12:47 PM RE: Teachers shouldn't be 2 constrained by coursebooks #ELTChat >Time constraints & economic reasons (having 2 finish book) can make it hard
motherchina 12:47 PM @Shaunwilden in my lit class, Ss r divided into small groups for discussions. Each group has a leader who acts as d group'smentor. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 12:47 PM @ELTExperiences true - fully agree #ELTChat
OUPELTGlobal 12:48 PM For me finding out why the stuent is "slow" is key and then I can work to provide what that student may need.  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:48 PM ok coming up to 10m left-we've identified what we mean by slow and started to look at some ways to help, what else shall we cover?  #ELTChat
AbrarAbox 12:49 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal It has worked for me. #eltchat
rliberni 12:49 PM RT @vickysaumell: RT @OUPELTGlobal:  finding out why the stuent is "slow" is key #eltchat > In my context it is usually tied to motivation
vickysaumell 12:49 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal:  finding out why the stuent is "slow" is key #eltchat > In my context it is usually tied to motivation
Shaunwilden 12:49 PM @motherchina Ok thats was i thought - i wonder if by mentor is meant sth else as well  #ELTChat
ELTExperiences 12:49 PM I think publishers should start to include Portfolio Templates on CD with coursebooks so that sts can customise their learning #ELTChat
Marisa_C 12:49 PM RT @vickysaumell:#ELTChat >Time constraints & economic reasons (having 2 finish book) can make it hard > agree
OUPELTGlobal 12:50 PM @vickysaumell For me it is usually tied to learning styles and unrealistic expectations #eltchat
rliberni 12:50 PM @ELTExperiences  were there any templates in the links you shared? #eltchat
motherchina 12:50 PM @vickysaumell please RT that forgot to add hash tag #ELTchat
Marisa_C 12:50 PM @vickysaumell  #ELTChat But many Ts lack the confidence to speak up to school leaders DOSes etc about this
ELTExperiences 12:51 PM @rliberni no templates per se but I think it is worthy of a blog post now to share a template #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 12:51 PM RT @ELTExperiences: what can teachers do to get sts to reflect on their learning in the hope that they become less-slow #ELTChat
fionamau 12:51 PM RT @motherchina: @ELTExperiences @marisa_c I agree- teachers should be flexible rather than being too glued on using their textbook #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:51 PM RT @vickysaumell: I know! I tell my teachers to skip parts if they can provide something better they have found or designed  #ELTChat
vickysaumell 12:51 PM @Marisa_C I know! I tell my teachers to skip parts if they can provide something better they have found or designed #eltchat
SophiaCon1 12:51 PM @ELTExperiences nice idea really #ELTchat
rliberni 12:51 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: @vickysaumell For me it is usually tied to learning styles and unrealistic expectations #eltchat
motherchina 12:51 PM @ELTExperiences @marisa_c I agree- teachers should be flexible rather than being too glued on using their textbook #ELTchat
ELTExperiences 12:51 PM @Shaunwilden what can teachers do to get sts to reflect on their learning in the hope that they become less-slow #ELTChat
rliberni 12:52 PM @ELTExperiences  will keep eyes peeled! :-) #eltchat
vickysaumell 12:53 PM hat can teachers do to get sts to reflect on their learning #ELTChat > Discussing learning strategies and giving tips individually
SophiaCon1 12:53 PM @ELTExperiences @Shaunwilden attempting to implement other ways to practise taught material #ELTchat
motherchina 12:53 PM Down to 10 minutes? Whew! time flies! #ELTchat
fionamau 12:53 PM RT @louisealix68: I think it's important they set own (reasonable/attainable) goals = each completed gives ss satisfaction #eltchat
louisealix68 12:53 PM I think it's important they set own (reasonable/attainable) goals = each completed gives ss satisfaction #eltchat
rliberni 12:54 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @louisealix68  I agree but what if they have external pressure on them to reach another goal?  #ELTChat
SophiaCon1 12:54 PM RT @ELTExperiences: There are some templates from COE for Portfolio Assessment - http://t.co/Cldajpi7 & http://t.co/TGQwNSq6 #ELTChat
OUPELTGlobal 12:54 PM @vickysaumell Include learning to learn with the activities themselves, rather than a separate activity.  #eltchat
rliberni 12:54 PM RT @ELTExperiences: There are some templates from COE for Portfolio Assessment - http://t.co/Cldajpi7 & http://t.co/TGQwNSq6 #ELTChat
louisealix68 12:54 PM @Shaunwilden @Shaunwilden  #ELTChat -then divide into smaller sub-goals.
vickysaumell 12:54 PM RT @louisealix68:  it's important they set own (reasonable/attainable) goals = each completed gives ss satisfaction #eltchat < So true!
fionamau 12:54 PM @louisealix68 #eltchat I agree- word slow tends 2 imply 'compared 2 others' whereas sts shd progress at own speed tho helped 2 maximise it
rliberni 12:54 PM RT @vickysaumell: hat can teachers do to get sts to reflect on their learning #ELTChat > Discussing learning strategies and giving tips individually
ELTExperiences 12:54 PM There are some templates from COE for Portfolio Assessment - http://t.co/Cldajpi7 & http://t.co/TGQwNSq6 #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 12:54 PM @louisealix68  I agree but what if they have external pressure on them to reach another goal?  #ELTChat
Marisa_C 12:55 PM RT @dorakalliora: RT @OUPELTGlobal: I think learning to learn skills are important, especially for older students. #> great point
ELTExperiences 12:55 PM @Shaunwilden @louisealix68 such as passing an examination ... do you mean? #ELTChat
ELTExperiences 12:56 PM Well thank you for letting me to voice some of my ideas/opinions. I am going and look forward to the summary. #ELTChat
BobK99 12:56 PM RT @motherchina: .... time flies! #ELTchat ! Can't slow the blighters down #NTypesOfAmbiguity
rliberni 12:56 PM @ELTExperiences @Shaunwilden  I find IELTS stds can have unrealistic expectations  but the goal is set 4 them #eltchat
vickysaumell 12:56 PM But individual learning tips also work at a motivational level, sts see you care about their particular situation  #ELTChat
louisealix68 12:56 PM @ELTExperiences  not nec. goals such as 'able to apply pres. perf appropriately within 'x' weeks' #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 12:56 PM @ELTExperiences @louisealix68 Or parents, or human resources manager, company setting targets etc etc  #ELTChat
fionamau 12:56 PM @louisealix68 #eltchat Increasing motivatn, personalising, learner strats, increased self-esteem, personal objectives/aims etc all help...
Marisa_C 12:57 PM This is in the heart of the process oriented approach to teaching #ELtchat analysing the how to do not just the what to do
rliberni 12:57 PM RT @Marisa_C: Very important point about consistent/systematic learning training slots in every lesson #eltchat
louisealix68 12:57 PM RT @fionamau: @louisealix68 #eltchat Increasing motivatn, personalising, learner strats, increased self-esteem, personal objectives/aims etc all help...
fionamau 12:57 PM RT @Marisa_C: Very important point about consistent/systematic learning training slots in every lesson #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:57 PM Very important point about consistent/systematic learning training slots in every lesson #eltchat
vickysaumell 12:58 PM RT @Marisa_C: This is in the heart of the process oriented approach to teaching #ELtchat analysing the how to do not just the what to do
motherchina 12:58 PM RT @Marisa_C: This is in the heart of the process oriented approach to teaching #ELtchat analysing the how to do not just the what to do
esolcourses 12:58 PM RT @vickysaumell: individual learning tips also work at a motivational level, sts see you care about their particular situation  #ELTChat
motherchina 12:59 PM Not getting any new tweets #ELTchat
Marisa_C 12:59 PM Last minute before end of #ELTchat - any important points or comments?
Shaunwilden 12:59 PM Ok it's that time of the  #ELTChat when we start to 'ask' for a summariser......
rliberni 1:00 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: I get the impression that "slow" has more to do with the "how" we learn rather than "what". agree? #eltchat
fionamau 1:00 PM @motherchina #eltchat Mine aren't appearing in my tweetstream bt it's been playing up all the time I've been here today :(
rliberni 1:00 PM RT @Marisa_C: This is in the heart of the process oriented approach to teaching #ELtchat analysing the how to do not just the what to do
OUPELTGlobal 1:00 PM I get the impression that "slow" has more to do with the "how" we learn rather than "what". agree? #eltchat
rliberni 1:00 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Ok it's that time of the  #ELTChat when we start to 'ask' for a summariser......
esolcourses 1:01 PM RT @Marisa_C: My FLWs:  Too little time is spent on slow Ss - mostly Ts analyse success not what caused failure to learn #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 1:01 PM Thank you everyone. Very useful discussion. Big thanks to the moderators! #eltchat
motherchina 1:01 PM @fionamau eltchat gremlins #ELTchat
rliberni 1:01 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Tonight's #eltchat is M-learning, what, why and how – using mobile devices in(and out)side the classroom.
rliberni 1:01 PM Don't forget the power of tech in helping stds who need extra helps and work #eltchat
Marisa_C 1:01 PM My FLWs:  Too little time is spent on slow Ss - mostly Ts analyse success not what caused failure to learn #ELTchat
fionamau 1:01 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: I get the impression that "slow" has more to do with the "how" we learn rather than "what". agree? #eltchat > Definitely
Shaunwilden 1:01 PM Tonight's #eltchat is M-learning, what, why and how – using mobile devices in(and out)side the classroom.
louisealix68 1:01 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: I get the impression that "slow" has more to do with the "how" we learn rather than "what". agree? #eltchat ABSOLUTELY
motherchina 1:01 PM Looking forward to reading the summary. Thanks for the chat. Nice to be back! #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 1:02 PM Summary!!!!!!!  #ELTCHAT t
fionamau 1:02 PM RT @louisealix68: #ELTCHAT thanks everyone - gotta go prepare lessons (also for 'slow' learners)! > Say Hi from us :)
louisealix68 1:02 PM #ELTCHAT thanks everyone - gotta go prepare lessons (also for 'slow' learners)!
motherchina 1:03 PM @rliberni @marisa_c @shaunwilden will pass the night chat- that's 4am my time! #ELTchat
vickysaumell 1:03 PM Happy to have shared this #ELTCHAT with you! Amazing educators who care!
ntiamoahkinte 1:03 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Tonight's #eltchat is M-learning, what, why and how – using mobile devices in(and out)side the classroom.
esolcourses 1:04 PM Cheers for another great #eltchat everyone, and thanks to today's mods @Marisa_C  & @Shaunwilden @rliberni ! catch you later, hopefully :-)
Marisa_C 1:04 PM Thank you all for joining and sharing ur thoughts today and thanks to @Shaunwilden & @riberni my great co-mods #ELTchat Summary anyone?
Marisa_C 1:05 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Summary!!!!!!!  #ELTCHAT
Marisa_C 1:05 PM @motherchina was good to have you back :-) thx for joining  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 1:05 PM @vickysaumell Lovely to have you Vicky hope u can make the m-learning one - we need people like you on #ELTCHAT
louisealix68 1:07 PM #eltchat summary'ish 'slow' learners perhaps incorrect input, consider  MI,  outside lessons use ICT, collaborative learning works.
Marisa_C 1:08 PM @vickysaumell And thx for offering to do summary - Looking forward to it #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 1:08 PM Big thanks to @vickysaumell  for volunteering to do the summary #ELTCHAT

 

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