| username |
time |
status |
| AnneSinclair1 |
8:57 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: Join us now for #ELTchat Sexism in ELT. How do we raise awareness & combat it? Your mods are @Shaunwilden & me |
| AnthonyGaughan |
8:58 PM |
Evening, all #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
8:59 PM |
Is it wrong for conferences to consider gender when choosing speakers? #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
8:59 PM |
@AnthonyGaughan evening Anthony #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:00 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat The teaching body of EFL/ESOL is predominantly female, right? Does anyone have figures to hand of gender split of profession |
| Shaunwilden |
9:00 PM |
Evening all, welcome to #eltchat on 'Sexism in ELT. How do we raise awareness and combat it? ' |
| harrisonmike |
9:00 PM |
#eltchat The teaching body of EFL/ESOL is predominantly female, right? Does anyone have figures to hand of gender split of profession |
| nathankeeves |
9:01 PM |
#eltchat time to test my typing speed- here goes #eltchat...hi @AnthonyGaughan |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:01 PM |
Hi everybody. Let's have a great chat! #ELTchat |
| AnthonyGaughan |
9:01 PM |
@Shaunwilden Hi Shaun! #eltchat |
| NikkiFortova |
9:01 PM |
@Shaunwilden When you say sexism in ELT, what do you mean? #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:02 PM |
Does anyone have statistics on number of female to male #ELT authors? #ELTChat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:02 PM |
@ShellTerrell No? I think there has to be a balance #ELTchat |
| AnthonyGaughan |
9:02 PM |
@nathankeeves Heh Heh, Hi, back! *typetypetype* #eltchat #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:02 PM |
@NikkiFortova I am not sure I didnt choose the topic, I think it was @AnneSinclair1#eltchat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:03 PM |
I think we're paid less because it's a female dominated profession #ELTchat #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:03 PM |
Any authors here?? #eltchat RT @ShellTerrell: Does anyone have statistics on number of female to male #ELT authors? #ELTChat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:03 PM |
RT @NikkiFortova: @Shaunwilden When you say sexism in ELT, what do you mean? #eltchat < more teachers are female, but more DOSs are male? |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:03 PM |
I don't even see sexism to be a problem - but then I speak from a limited perspective. All my colleagues female and 100% wonderful #eltchat |
| SheetalZA |
9:04 PM |
@ShellTerrell @Shaunwilden Interesting topic! Looking forward to discussion. Trying to stay awake on this side of the world for #ELTchat ! |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:04 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 equal pay here - and I think most places in UK #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:04 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 Any nothing to do with the fact that for most nest only a temp. job? #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:04 PM |
#eltchat in my school all of the lower level teachers are male, all the senior staff are female! [the director is male though] |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:04 PM |
All the bosses are men #ELTchat |
| NikkiFortova |
9:04 PM |
RT @smardie72: Evening everyone! I don't really think there's sexism in ELT, even being more female teachers. #eltchat > totally agree |
| NikkiFortova |
9:04 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson Most of my colleagues are female too, but if I look at the leaders in the field, there are a lot of men about #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:05 PM |
@duncan_lydbury Native english speakers who do do it for a year or two #eltchat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:05 PM |
My experience is in France #ELTchat |
| fionamau |
9:05 PM |
RT @AnneSinclair1: All the bosses are men #ELTchat > And most publisher-sponsored plenary-type speakers, tho may be a throw-back. |
| teacherhigor |
9:05 PM |
@NikkiFortova @shaunwilden #ELTChat What do you mean? I repeat Nikki's question! |
| mscro1 |
9:05 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: hi, quick PLN survey! what languages do you tweet in? do you use the different languages for different topics? pls RT! :) #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:05 PM |
Gavin Dudeney raises this recently in his blog that plenaries r mostly white, middle-class, middle-aged+ Brits http://t.co/m3wIyqJO #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:05 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 Never had a male boss at any of the schools I worked at #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:05 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @AnneSinclair1 Any nothing to do with the fact that for most nest only a temp. job? #eltchat >Not understand |
| pysproblem81 |
9:06 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: Gavin Dudeney raises this recently in his blog that plenaries r mostly white, middle-class, middle-aged+ Brits http://t.co/m3wIyqJO #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:06 PM |
@AnthonyGaughan he/she can often become they #eltchat |
| mscro1 |
9:06 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 not in my school my boss female #ELTchat |
| teacherhigor |
9:06 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 Not in Brazil, Anne! Most are women, actually. I don't see this problem in Brazil #ELTChat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:06 PM |
@Shaunwilden OK #eltchat |
| AnthonyGaughan |
9:06 PM |
Curious how many female teachers use "he" when writing about a notional teacher in their essays/writings etc. Anything behind this? #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:06 PM |
@ShellTerrell That could well be true - thinking back #eltchat |
| teacherhigor |
9:07 PM |
@AnthonyGaughan I use "they" or "she". The "she" is Penny Ur's fault! =) #ELTChat |
| AnthonyGaughan |
9:07 PM |
@mscro1 Poss but these women are in their 20s #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:07 PM |
@kalinagoenglish @annesinclair1 nd as many of us replied, no they're not :-) #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:07 PM |
RT @kalinagoenglish: RT @annesinclair1: All the bosses are men #ELTchat >Not here they're not! |
| aClilToClimb |
9:07 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 Really? I've had more female than male bosses. In my 1st job & this is like going back decades, my boss was female #ELTchat |
| mscro1 |
9:07 PM |
@AnthonyGaughan maybe because in the past tehre were more male then female teachers, women weren't suppose to work #ELTchat |
| AnthonyGaughan |
9:07 PM |
@duncan_lydbury Yes but not my point. They are female, yet visualise teachers as male. But most teachers in ELT female. Disconnect. #eltchat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:07 PM |
RT @annesinclair1: All the bosses are men #ELTchat |
| teacherhigor |
9:07 PM |
@duncan_lydbury @annesinclair1 Equal pay in Brazil as well. It might not be brilliant, but it's the same for everyone. #ELTChat |
| smardie72 |
9:07 PM |
Evening everyone! I don't think there's sexism in ELT, even when there are more female teachers.#ELTchat |
| smardie72 |
9:08 PM |
@kalinagoenglish Not in Spain. My boss is a woman, and many head teachers are #ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:08 PM |
When conferences book speakers should they try to ensure speakers are culturally, age, gender diverse or base on other criteria? #ELTChat |
| nathankeeves |
9:08 PM |
Also interesting to investigate the gender split along hierarchical lines...teachers, teacher trainers, DOS ... @harrisonmike #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:08 PM |
I run the admin and oversee the marketing - but the cream are the ladies #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:08 PM |
RT @smardie72: Evening everyone! I don't really think there's sexism in ELT, even being more female teachers. #eltchat < agreed |
| mscro1 |
9:08 PM |
RT @duncan_lydbury: @AnthonyGaughan he/she can often become they #eltchat |
| e_d_driscoll |
9:09 PM |
I haven't come across any sexism among any teachers or coordinators. I don't think it's an industry where sexism is really an issue #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:09 PM |
@ShellTerrell Is there a need to introduce quotas? #eltchat |
| mscro1 |
9:09 PM |
@ShellTerrell interesting? #ELTchat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:09 PM |
I would really like some transparent stats on IATEFL membership #s- female/male and race breakdown #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:09 PM |
#eltchat to be honest all this is far to subjective, it isn't a fair sample so stating experience isn't really useful. Any statistics? |
| mscro1 |
9:09 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: When conferences book speakers should they try to ensure speakers are culturally, age, gender diverse or base on other criteria? #ELTChat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:09 PM |
Rita and I are Directors and get paid the same. Our training manager (for 20 years) is female and gets paid more #eltchat |
| mkofab |
9:09 PM |
We seem to agree there is no sexism in ELT then ? #eltchat If we voted for this topic there must be something.... |
| Shaunwilden |
9:09 PM |
I do need some convincing there is sexism - antiquated stereotypes in texts maybe but sexism? #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:09 PM |
@kalinagoenglish @pysproblem81 Gavin mentions that in the article as well that he does fit that profile #Eltchat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:09 PM |
Yes, there's equal pay for nurses too but it's low pay #ELTchat |
| AnthonyGaughan |
9:10 PM |
Have students ever asked for a male or female teacher? I that sexism? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:10 PM |
@ShellTerrell I don't think positive discrimination is any better than negative discrimination. Should be to do with ability #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:10 PM |
@ShellTerrell You're kidding right? So you would be prepared to sacrifice good speakers to fulfil quota? #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:10 PM |
My experience is that at conferences there does seem to be a particular type of speaker but is that tied to who is published? #ELTChat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:10 PM |
@harrisonmike Good point on Stats - who knows? #s #eltchat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:10 PM |
IATEFL has an all-male board #ELTchat |
| Wiktor_K |
9:10 PM |
Hi all: re "all T's/bosses are male/female" - it's not about numbers but movement, and who gets to advance / who doesn't. #ELTchat |
| teacherhigor |
9:10 PM |
“@Shaunwilden: I do need some convincing there is sexism - antiquated stereotypes in texts maybe but sexism? #eltchat†< me too! |
| harrisonmike |
9:10 PM |
@kalinagoenglish That is a very good idea! #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:10 PM |
RT @mkofab: We seem to agree there is no sexism in ELT then ? #eltchat If we voted for this topic there must be something.... >Yes - what? |
| harrisonmike |
9:10 PM |
RT @kalinagoenglish: I would really like some transparent stats on IATEFL membership #s- female/male and race breakdown #eltchat |
| teacherhigor |
9:11 PM |
@AnthonyGaughan Not that I can remember. We've had different types of racism, but never sexism. #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:11 PM |
@ShellTerrell I know was trying to provoke debate :-) #eltchat |
| mkofab |
9:11 PM |
Quotas are never a good idea. Merit more important #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:11 PM |
Good question! RT @harrisonmike: Is there a need to introduce quotas? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:11 PM |
RT @AnthonyGaughan: Have students ever asked for a male or female ther? I that sexism? #eltchat aha now this one , yes used to be common |
| aClilToClimb |
9:11 PM |
@AnthonyGaughan I use 'he' most of the time but that's the grammar I grew up w/. I try 2 use 'they' now wherever poss but when not? #ELTchat |
| fionamau |
9:11 PM |
RT @AnthonyGaughan: Have students ever asked for a male or female teacher? I that sexism? #eltchat > Can be cultural. I taught Saudi women.. |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:11 PM |
RT @kalinagoenglish: I would really like some transparent stats on IATEFL membership #s- female/male and race breakdown #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:11 PM |
@Shaunwilden I'm posing the question to the crowd to think about not really stating an opinion yet #ELTChat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:11 PM |
@mkofab disagree strongly, there is sexism in ELT #eltchat I think it gets shoved under carpet by those who pretend it's not there |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:11 PM |
RT @AnneSinclair1: IATEFL has an all-male board #ELTchat >but executive (who gets paid) very largely female |
| NikkiFortova |
9:11 PM |
Maybe there are others "isms" in ELT, but sexism isn't one of them :-) #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:12 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 Not entirely true http://t.co/GFt5ERkS #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:12 PM |
RT @sandymillin: I don't think positive discrimination is any better than negative discrimination. Should be to do with ability #ELTChat |
| fionamau |
9:12 PM |
@AnthonyGaughan ...earlier this year. No men. The male trainees were in a different building. Is that sexism or a cultural thing #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:12 PM |
@Shaunwilden LOL! Well eek I'm waiting till about 45min into for that #ELTChat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:12 PM |
#eltchat - there are several main problems - the women who pretend that there is no ceiling, the men who say why should a woman get job over |
| SheetalZA |
9:12 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson #eltchat lower level T's at my school also male, but generally more females on academic staff. DOS is female, too #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
9:12 PM |
@kalinagoenglish @mkofab so how would you define this sexism then? is it not getting jobs or promotions or opportunities or...? #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:12 PM |
As a moderator just asking some hardhitting questions we should think about for this topic, not stating an opinion in them #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:12 PM |
RT @teacherhigor: @AnthonyGaughan Not that I can remember. We've had different types of racism, but never sexism. #ELTChat |
| AnthonyGaughan |
9:12 PM |
@fionamau Maybe, but in Germany... #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:13 PM |
@kalinagoenglish at IH I haven't been aware of sexism - seems fairly balanced to me, and overall director is a woman #eltchat |
| lolwhites |
9:13 PM |
I have encountered instances of students refusing to be taught by a woman, but such cases are few in my experience #eltchat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:13 PM |
There is definitely a glass ceiling in Elt #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:13 PM |
Evening all. Sorry I'm late #ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:13 PM |
What upsets you about the sexism issue? Where do you notice it and why does it irk you? #ELTChat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:13 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: RT @sandymillin: I don't think positive discrimination is any better than negative discrimination. Should be to do with ability #ELTChat |
| sandymillin |
9:13 PM |
@kalinagoenglish so where do you think the ceiling is? is it different for different organisations? #eltchat |
| aClilToClimb |
9:13 PM |
@AnthonyGaughan well it kud do more with feeling safe? Like asking for male/female babysitter? #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:13 PM |
@ShellTerrell As long as we can get your opinion sometime please Shell! #eltchat |
| smardie72 |
9:13 PM |
@mscro1 Criteria should be quality and innovation, not gender. I've always felt parity rates are intrinsecally sexist! #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
9:14 PM |
@lolwhites and if they've refused to be taught by women, what reason did they give? What was their cultural background? Age? Sex? #eltchat |
| smardie72 |
9:14 PM |
Quotas are sexist!! RT @ShellTerrell: Good question! RT @harrisonmike: Is there a need to introduce quotas? #eltchat |
| fionamau |
9:14 PM |
RT @mkofab: Quotas are never a good idea. Merit more important #eltchat |
| mscro1 |
9:14 PM |
RT @sandymillin: @kalinagoenglish at IH I haven't been aware of sexism - seems fairly balanced to me, and overall director is a woman #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:14 PM |
#eltchat Hi everyone sorry I'm late. seems to me discrimination, racism and low pay more problematic than racism in ELT |
| ShellTerrell |
9:14 PM |
My gripe is when the plenary fits the "archetype" & is terrible or makes assumptions based on not being a teacher for several yrs #ELTChat |
| Wiktor_K |
9:14 PM |
My perspective: DoS in UK school. Mostly Arabic students. Male teachers get respect. Female teachers have to earn respect. Problem. #ELTchat |
| smardie72 |
9:14 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: RT @sandymillin: I don't think positive discrimination is any better than negative discrimination. Should be to do with ability #ELTChat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:14 PM |
Not ELT but worth reading http://t.co/NLshFC6e suspect this reflects wide prejudices in society, or is there sexism specific to ELT #eltchat |
| AnthonyGaughan |
9:14 PM |
To be provocative: Low-income industries tend to be female-domain. ELT is a low-income industry. Ergo... is sexism wired in? #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:14 PM |
RT @AnneSinclair1: There is definitely a glass ceiling in Elt #ELTchat >Sorry - that's absolute rubbish |
| teacherhigor |
9:14 PM |
“@mkofab: Quotas are never a good idea. Merit more important #eltchat†> Agreed! That would be sexism! |
| sandymillin |
9:15 PM |
@Wiktor_K I'm working at a UK school and we don't seem to have that problem. Maybe occasionally, but that's cultural not from ELT #ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:15 PM |
RT @pysproblem81: Not ELT but worth reading http://t.co/NLshFC6e suspect this reflects wide prejudices in society, or is there sexism specific to ELT #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:15 PM |
@ShellTerrell Anyone can be guilty of this though... #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:15 PM |
RT @Wiktor_K: My perspective: DoS in UK school. Mostly Arabic students. Male teachers get respect. Female teachers have to earn respect. Problem. #ELTchat |
| mscro1 |
9:15 PM |
@hartle yes, good point, thinking the same here! #ELTchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:15 PM |
@AnthonyGaughan Sorry I must disagree - it depends on where you are doing, what you are doing, and how you sell it #eltchat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:15 PM |
#eltchat a man. But there are hundreds of qu' men and thousands of qualified women. Something is wrong in the stats |
| smardie72 |
9:15 PM |
RT @mkofab: Quotas are never a good idea. Merit more important #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:15 PM |
Great point! RT @hartle: #eltchat seems to me discrimination, racism and low pay more problematic than racism in ELT |
| AnthonyGaughan |
9:16 PM |
@duncan_lydbury Take the median average pay rate worldwide and compare across industries then control for gender. I'd bet ELT = low #eltchat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:16 PM |
@sandymillin U're looking at2ow a ceiling. U're looking at ur personal situation (lower management) not chain level/ IATEFL board #eltchat |
| NikkiFortova |
9:16 PM |
RT @AnneSinclair1: There is definitely a glass ceiling in Elt #ELTchat > why do you think so? |
| pysproblem81 |
9:16 PM |
RT @Wiktor_K: My perspective: DoS in UK school. Mostly Arabic students. Male teachers get respect. Female teachers have to earn respect. Problem. #ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:16 PM |
RT @smardie72: Criteria should be quality and innovation, not gender. I've always felt parity rates are intrinsecally sexist! #ELTchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:16 PM |
Ladies very often rise to the top of the tree as there are more of them and they are ofter better. Not sure where this is going #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:16 PM |
RT @smardie72: Quotas are sexist!! RT @ShellTerrell: Good question! RT @harrisonmike: Is there a need to introduce quotas? #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:16 PM |
@smardie72 For the record, I wasn't saying I was for quotas, just asking the question #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:16 PM |
RT @lolwhites: I have encountered instances of students refusing to be taught by a woman, but such cases are few in my experience #eltchat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:17 PM |
@harrisonmike quotas are not sexist, they enforce equality. #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:17 PM |
@AnthonyGaughan @duncan_lydbury If someone could find out.. what an eye-opener that would be #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:17 PM |
@NikkiFortova @AnneSinclair1 I've never encountered it pay etc all about exp and qualifications not sex or race #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:17 PM |
@AnthonyGaughan If you are happy to work for peanuts - then peanuts you will get paid #eltchat |
| hartle |
9:17 PM |
#eltchat despite professionals working to raise profile still far too many cowboy lang. Schools exploiting teachers. |
| ShellTerrell |
9:18 PM |
I believe choose based on merit but there are women/men equally both excel in every topic so why not try to have diverse speakers? #ELTChat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:18 PM |
RT @AnneSinclair1: There are excellent female teachers but it's the men who get promoted #ELTchat >Sorry - rubbish |
| fionamau |
9:18 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: My gripe is when the plenary fits the "archetype" & is terrible or makes assumptions based on not being a teacher for several yrs #ELTChat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:18 PM |
RT @hartle: #eltchat despite professionals working to raise profile still far too many cowboy lang. Schools exploiting teachers. |
| NikkiFortova |
9:18 PM |
@Shaunwilden @AnneSinclair1 No, I've not encountered that either #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:18 PM |
@smardie72 RT @kalinagoenglish: @harrisonmike quotas are not sexist, they enforce equality. #eltchat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:18 PM |
There are excellent female teachers but it's the men who get promoted #ELTchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:18 PM |
MT @hartle: #eltchat Schools exploiting teachers. >Where - not in the UK I think |
| mscro1 |
9:18 PM |
RT @aClilToClimb: @AnthonyGaughan well it kud do more with feeling safe? Like asking for male/female babysitter? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:19 PM |
RT @kalinagoenglish: @harrisonmike quotas are not sexist, they enforce equality. #eltchat <that's positive discrimination - also bad! |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:19 PM |
@duncan_lydbury I'm speaking from personal experience! #ELTchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:19 PM |
Ref @AnneSinclair1 comment - there are excellent and wonderful women who just do not push themselves forward #eltchat - not my fault |
| pysproblem81 |
9:19 PM |
#eltchat Questions for those in UK FE/HE - do management roles imply longer working hours? Does this create gender barriers? |
| Shaunwilden |
9:19 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 You work in a really alien environment for me - it's always been the best person for the job where I've worked #eltchat |
| Wiktor_K |
9:19 PM |
@sandymillin OK,even if it's rare-it's still within our profession,& I think should be dealt with. #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
9:20 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: I believe choose based on merit but there are women/men equally both excel in every topic so why not try to have diverse speakers? #ELTChat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:20 PM |
Yes to all who dismiss quotas #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:20 PM |
RT @Wiktor_K: even if it's rare-it's still within our profession,& I think should be dealt with. #ELTchat<but if it's cultural, what to do? |
| TLCnewcastle |
9:20 PM |
@harrisonmike #eltchat I don't know official ones but at our dept it's 23:3 female to male. |
| hartle |
9:20 PM |
#eltchat what are quotas? |
| ShellTerrell |
9:20 PM |
@harrisonmike True but I still think confs should try to get speakers who will give various perspectives since our field so vast #ELTchat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:20 PM |
RT @fionamau:Quotas are never a good idea. Merit more important #eltchat Disagree strongly. Quotos are the only way to fix inequalities. |
| Shaunwilden |
9:20 PM |
RT @sandymillin: RT @kalinagoenglish: @harrisonmike quotas are not sexist, they enforce equality. #eltchat <that's positive discrimination - also bad! |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:20 PM |
RT @AnneSinclair1: @duncan_lydbury I'm speaking from personal experience! #ELTchat >Working in wrong place then |
| thisisliamm |
9:20 PM |
RT @onetooneteacher: New blog post: Vocabulary: Reviewing new words in the next lesson using Word Magnets from Triptico | http://t.co/zUyk1tkr #eltchat #dogme |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:21 PM |
#BESIG #BEUK #IATEFL #Lydbury would be stuffed without ladies #eltchat |
| fionamau |
9:21 PM |
@kalinagoenglish #eltchat Only if they r parameters or minima, not fixed. 52€ of the population therefore 52% of teachers/writers/bosses? |
| Shaunwilden |
9:21 PM |
@kalinagoenglish I wasn't talking about quotas though I do strongly oppose them #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:21 PM |
@harrisonmike I strongly disagree that is the case! I think we don't give enough voice to NNESTs so how do we know? #ELTChat |
| hartle |
9:21 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: @harrisonmike True but I still think confs should try to get speakers who will give various perspectives since our field so vast #ELTchat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:21 PM |
@duncan_lydbury I've worked in several places & it's always the men who get promoted #ELTchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:21 PM |
@sandymillin if prejudice does exist, then 'natural' result would not necessarily be on merit #eltchat - nt sure of my thghts on pos discrim |
| sandymillin |
9:21 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @AnneSinclair1 You work in a really alien environment for me - it's always been the best person for the job where I've worked #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:21 PM |
@ShellTerrell But what if those that are innovative and offer quality all come from same background? #eltchat |
| Wiktor_K |
9:21 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 Not where I worked (PL, UK) - maybe I was lucky to be in well-run places? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:22 PM |
@duncan_lydbury Non Native teachers #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:22 PM |
@TLCnewcastle 17:4 female to male where I work. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:22 PM |
@duncan_lydbury non-native speaker of English #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:22 PM |
What's NNEST please? #eltchat |
| fionamau |
9:22 PM |
@kalinagoenglish #eltchat However if you have a minimum quota perhaps. But merit should be the main criteria. |
| SueAnnan |
9:22 PM |
@duncan_lydbury true! #BESIG #BEUK #IATEFL #Lydbury #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:22 PM |
Incredible thing about social media is we now have heard the voices & seen the skills of teachers worldwide! Evens playing field #Eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:23 PM |
RT @NikkiFortova: RT @duncan_lydbury: What's NNEST please? #eltchat Non native speaker English teacher >Thank you - new term |
| Wiktor_K |
9:23 PM |
@sandymillin "cultural" shouldn't B an excuse $ any unfair behaviour,IMO. Ss R free 2 discriminate,I (as boss) am free 2 prevent it #ELTchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:23 PM |
If we had quotas there would be more men in the industry #eltchat |
| TLCnewcastle |
9:23 PM |
@kalinagoenglish @AnneSinclair1 again, not at our place. All senior management (& nearly all middle) are women. #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:23 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: @harrisonmike I strongly disagree that is the case! I think we don't give enough voice to NNESTs so how do we know? #ELTChat |
| NikkiFortova |
9:23 PM |
RT @duncan_lydbury: What's NNEST please? #eltchat Non native speaker English teacher |
| ShellTerrell |
9:23 PM |
@duncan_lydbury Non Native English Speaking Teacher. Sorry for the abbreviation. Hard to fit 140 characters #ELTChat |
| sandymillin |
9:24 PM |
@Wiktor_K don't think 'cultural' is an excuse, but wonder how to change it - do you just ride roughshod? - you WILL have female T! #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:24 PM |
R DOS is female, as is R office manager, & marketing manager. But the boss is male. #ELTchat in principle we have more female teachers |
| Shaunwilden |
9:24 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: I think we face a bigger problem that majority of speakers, authors in ELT don't represent various cultural backgrounds #ELTChat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:24 PM |
#eltchat @harrisonmike , it is clear to me, that not only females but also NNESTs are discriminated against at ceiling level. |
| ShellTerrell |
9:24 PM |
I think we face a bigger problem that majority of speakers, authors in ELT don't represent various cultural backgrounds #ELTChat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:24 PM |
@harrisonmike what about management? (Appears to be plenty of female representation in management where I work) #eltchat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:25 PM |
The facts stand #eltchat - how many people in IATEFL and BC etc are white/non-white; male/female L1/L2 spkrs, who are leaders? |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:25 PM |
@pysproblem81 Not sure they do #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:25 PM |
Gr8 question! RT @pysproblem81: Now that English is the World's language, why do GB specialists predominate? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:25 PM |
RT @duncan_lydbury: If we had quotas there would be more men in the industry #eltchat < really? that means you have to attract ppl |
| harrisonmike |
9:25 PM |
RT @pysproblem81: @ShellTerrell Agree - Now that English is the World's language, why do GB specialists predominate? #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:25 PM |
@kalinagoenglish Have to disagree with that too. No longer allowed to advertise "Native E speaker" for job in UK #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:25 PM |
@ShellTerrell Agree - Now that English is the World's language, why do GB specialists predominate? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:25 PM |
@Wiktor_K or do you bow to their cultural requirements? could really damage classroom dynamics? interested in poss solutions #ELTchat |
| lolwhites |
9:25 PM |
@pysproblem81 when I worked in FE there were many women at senior management the main sexism was 70's style anti-male banter #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:25 PM |
RT @kalinagoenglish: #eltchat it is clear to me, that not only females but also NNESTs are discriminated against at ceiling level. |
| sandymillin |
9:26 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell:majority of speakers, authors in ELT don't represent various cultural backgrounds #ELTChat <is that a hangover? changing? |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:26 PM |
@eyespeakbrasil I don't post them #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:26 PM |
@duncan_lydbury Have you seen the ads on Linkedin Duncan, only male teachers by uk website! #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:26 PM |
RT @duncan_lydbury: with quotas there would be more men in ind. #eltchat <if men aren't attracted to ELT, then how will you get them in? |
| hartle |
9:26 PM |
#eltchat discrimination in Italy. old article but nor much has changed http://t.co/WJ190yL1 |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:26 PM |
Seriously don't think GB teacher do predominate - just better ;-))) #eltchat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:26 PM |
RT @kalinagoenglish: The facts stand #eltchat - how many people in IATEFL and BC etc are white/non-white; male… (cont) http://t.co/JrQEuKBh |
| hartle |
9:27 PM |
#eltchat in Italian unis NESTS definitely get better jobs |
| SueAnnan |
9:27 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 I'm not sure that it is down to gender #ELTchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:27 PM |
BC and IATEFL - blimey you are weird. They are UK but international organisations. Look at local offices and affiliates #eltchat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:27 PM |
The problem is that some are assuming merit must mean white and male @pysproblem81 This makes no sense #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:27 PM |
RT @sandymillin: RT @kalinagoenglish: #eltchat NNESTs are discriminated against at ceiling level. <that's true! |
| Shaunwilden |
9:27 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 Coursebooks? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:27 PM |
@Wiktor_K do students change their minds when confronted? #ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:27 PM |
RT @AnneSinclair1: What about the sex of the people who are published? #ELTchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:27 PM |
@duncan_lydbury No, a Saudi company does tho #eltchat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:27 PM |
What about the sex of the people who are published? #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
9:27 PM |
RT @kalinagoenglish: #eltchat NNESTs are discriminated against at ceiling level. <that's true! |
| pysproblem81 |
9:27 PM |
@duncan_lydbury is only anecdotal thought #eltchat |
| Wiktor_K |
9:27 PM |
@sandymillin Aaye,that's hard to do!Best I can do is 2 stand by my staff & confront complaining/disrespectful ss.Works so far. #ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:27 PM |
It's important we hear from teachers & have trainers who represent maj of ELT which is NNEST teaching English to other NNES #ELTChat |
| harrisonmike |
9:28 PM |
@ShellTerrell No one here from higher ups in IATEFL/BC/IH here, are they? #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:28 PM |
BC is UK financed and IATEFL largely staffed by volunteers - that means unpaid. Please volunteer. #BESIG also open. www.besig.org #eltchat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:28 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: @AnneSinclair1 I asked earlier if anyone had statistics on this. I think that would be interesting to know #ELTChat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:28 PM |
@duncan_lydbury and the overall heads of? #eltchat :-) |
| ShellTerrell |
9:28 PM |
RT @AnneSinclair1: Not only coursebooks #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:28 PM |
@kalinagoenglish GB English does seem to have prestige #eltchat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:28 PM |
Not only coursebooks #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:28 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 I asked earlier if anyone had statistics on this. I think that would be interesting to know #ELTChat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:28 PM |
RT @pysproblem81: Now that English is the World's language, why do GB specialists predominate? #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:29 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: No one here from higher ups in IATEFL/BC/IH here, are they? #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:29 PM |
@AdamDavidBarnes Fe seems to be in a more diverse place than examples like IATEFL #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:29 PM |
@kalinagoenglish Volunteers as you well know. Vice pres of IATEFL is German #eltchat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:29 PM |
@duncan_lydbury it doesn't matter what happens on the lower rungs, what is happening at the ceiling level? #eltchat |
| fionamau |
9:29 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: Incredible thing about social media is we now have heard the voices & seen the skills of teachers worldwide! Evens playing field #Eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:29 PM |
That's a good idea! RT @AnthonyGaughan: Send request to @ericbaber or @iatefl to compile the info and present at #iatefl2012 #ELTChat |
| harrisonmike |
9:29 PM |
RT @AnthonyGaughan: @ShellTerrell Send request to @ericbaber or @iatefl to compile the info and present at #iatefl2012 #ELTChat |
| sandymillin |
9:29 PM |
RT @kalinagoenglish: #eltchat people in IATEFL and BC etc are... <is it sexism? or reduced access? funds? awareness of the existence of thm? |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:29 PM |
RT @duncan_lydbury: BC is UK financed and IATEFL largely staffed by volunteers - that means unpaid. Please volunteer. #BESIG also open. www.besig.org #eltchat |
| AnthonyGaughan |
9:29 PM |
@ShellTerrell Send request to @ericbaber or @iatefl to compile the info and present at #iatefl2012 #ELTChat |
| harrisonmike |
9:29 PM |
RT @duncan_lydbury: BC is UK financed and IATEFL largely staffed by volunteers - that means unpaid. Please volunteer. #BESIG also open. www.besig.org #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:30 PM |
@kalinagoenglish Sharpen up - ELTAs locally run. IATEFL affiliates locally run. 58 ex-Yugolsav area candidates to BESIG 2011 #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:30 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @harrisonmike #eltchat Me, I am from Ih -our perating officer is female, our CEO is female oh, (cont) http://t.co/MvW9yJRk |
| Shaunwilden |
9:30 PM |
@harrisonmike Me, I am from Ih #eltchat - where our operating officer is female, our CEO is female oh, Hea… (cont) http://t.co/XAwjXgkQ |
| Wiktor_K |
9:30 PM |
@sandymillin They get convinced & try to see our point. Usually female teachers end up being more successful, actually #ELTchat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:30 PM |
RT @annesinclair1: I asked earlier if anyone had statistics on this. I think that would be interesting to know #ELTChat |
| sandymillin |
9:30 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: It's important we hear from teachers & have trainers who represent maj of ELT which is NNEST teaching English to other NNES #ELTChat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:30 PM |
RT @CoCreatr: @ShellTerrell conference speakers add value on other criteria. Unless the topic is gender, age, race diversity. #ELTChat |
| CoCreatr |
9:30 PM |
@ShellTerrell conference speakers add value on other criteria. Unless the topic is gender, age, race diversity. #ELTChat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:31 PM |
@ShellTerrell I'm on the #BESIG commitee #eltchat |
| grahamstanley |
9:31 PM |
#eltchat hi everyone coming late to this - why do GB experts dominate ELT? Historical reasons I think |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:31 PM |
@duncan_lydbury No I wasn´t saying you did - I was making the point, maybe I missed the topic. apologies. #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:31 PM |
Cool Shaun, @Shaunwilden says this about females in senior positions at IH http://t.co/9MyWW9bG (summary writer please check link) #eltchat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:31 PM |
@eyespeakbrasil This sort of thing suggests that a woman doesn't provide value #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:32 PM |
If nobody here is on an IATEFL committee or elsewhere - please volunteer and stop griping #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:32 PM |
RT @grahamstanley: #eltchat hi everyone coming late to this - why do GB experts dominate ELT? Historical reasons I think |
| r1ch33 |
9:32 PM |
@kalinagoenglish: RT @pysproblem81:... why do GB specialists predominate? #eltchat UK gov doesn't seem to see this. |
| ShellTerrell |
9:32 PM |
@duncan_lydbury I do know in BESIG there are women leaders as well as men. Seemed equal to me #ELTChat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:32 PM |
@duncan_lydbury not local level, looking specifically at the top. My q is if local level ok, why is this not reflected at ceiling? #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:32 PM |
@kalinagoenglish agreed, needs to be stamped out, I spoke my mind on linkedin and well, this was plenty of discussion #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:32 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 No - sharpen up #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:32 PM |
It seems in the conversation that perhaps sexism might be localized or in areas of ELT like spkrs & authors? #ELTChat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:32 PM |
@duncan_lydbury Sharpen up? Do you men Calm down, dear?? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:33 PM |
@kalinagoenglish by 'top' where do you mean? only IATEFL board or other places too? #eltchat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:33 PM |
@annesinclair1 :-) you know us girls, we're always so emotional :-) #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:33 PM |
@ShellTerrell ESOL SIG is very largely female-led #eltchat |
| jut754 |
9:33 PM |
@ShellTerrell prob levels it better than any STest ever could. #eltchat |
| AnthonyGaughan |
9:33 PM |
@duncan_lydbury When did BESIG last have an all *female* board, or a female coordinator? #BESIG #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:33 PM |
RT @grahamstanley: #eltchat hi everyone coming late to this - why do GB experts dominate ELT? Historical reasons I think >But they don't |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:33 PM |
@duncan_lydbury LOL #eltchat |
| Write_To_Learn |
9:33 PM |
Tips and mistakes to avoid on the IELTS: http://t.co/aLt66zAw #edchat #ellchat #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:34 PM |
MT @AnthonyGaughan: @duncan_lydbury #BESIG #eltchat The BESIG coordinator is female and we only have two blokes on the committee #pipedown |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:34 PM |
@kalinagoenglish LOL!! #eltchat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:34 PM |
RT @anthonygaughan: @duncan_lydbury When did BESIG last have an all *female* board, or a female coordinator? #BESIG #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:34 PM |
Re: NNEST etc There is a general point regarding academia and disproport influence of US and UK comp to NNEST or developing world #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:34 PM |
does anyone know how IATEFL board is chosen? are people nominated? or do they offer own candidacy? #eltchat seems to be big bugbear |
| ShellTerrell |
9:34 PM |
Is it also a field or area? I've been to many conferences this yr & have seen many women plenaries & authors for Young Learners #ELTChat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:34 PM |
@duncan_lydbury oops missed topic, apologies #eltchat |
| grahamstanley |
9:34 PM |
#eltchat agree with @duncan_lydbury too - #iatefl is very international, but is still a uk based charity |
| Wiktor_K |
9:34 PM |
as with all jobs,ELT could b suffering from old rules. Colette from "Ratatouille" got it right: http://t.co/Kdm7mYTT #ELTchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:35 PM |
@harrisonmike read http://t.co/GFt5ERkS #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:35 PM |
@fionamau I know it has no women...just wondering how it gets selected. does it have no women because none applied for it? #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:35 PM |
#eltchat if interested see: Ammon. The Dominance of English as a Language of Science: Effects on Other Languages and Language Communities. |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:35 PM |
@duncan_lydbury all the committees I´ve been on have been dominated by women,I´d love to know the stats women/men in elt #BESIG #eltchat |
| AnthonyGaughan |
9:35 PM |
@duncan_lydbury Care to explain what you mean by "#pipedown"? #BESIG #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:35 PM |
RT @grahamstanley: to its credit I think the #britishcouncil is doing a lot to promote NNESTs - just look at #teachingenglish website #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:35 PM |
This seems to be turning in an IATEFL #eltchat |
| grahamstanley |
9:35 PM |
to its credit I think the #britishcouncil is doing a lot to promote NNESTs - just look at #teachingenglish website #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:35 PM |
@AnthonyGaughan Sorry - three blokes out of 8 #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:35 PM |
@jut754 Agree! #ELTChat |
| harrisonmike |
9:35 PM |
By IATEFL board, do you mean committee?? #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:36 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 Yes #pipedown means make sure you know what you are talking about before you say anything #BESIG #eltchat |
| mkofab |
9:36 PM |
Does it really matter to you whether speakers/committee are male /female? I never think like that.They are good or not good :-) #eltchat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:36 PM |
I think we ELT teachers need a union. personally. #eltchat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:36 PM |
Sharpen up? Pipe down? #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:36 PM |
@AnthonyGaughan pipedown small change or I´ll spend you - expressions in English. #pipedown #BESIG #eltchat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:36 PM |
RT @AnthonyGaughan: @duncan_lydbury Care to explain what you mean by "#pipedown"? #BESIG #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:37 PM |
@harrisonmike Then form one #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:37 PM |
RT @grahamstanley: @sandymillin #iatefl committee is staffed by volunteers #eltchat <so if women don't volunteer how can they be on board? |
| theteacherjames |
9:37 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: I think we face a bigger problem that majority of speakers, authors in ELT don't represent various cultural backgrounds #ELTChat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:37 PM |
@kalinagoenglish Yep, a lot of teachers get the raw end of the deal that´s for sure! #eltchat |
| nathankeeves |
9:37 PM |
That's great- thanks @brenbrennan will head over soon, after a rather interesting #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:37 PM |
A bigger issue, but YES RT @kalinagoenglish: I think we ELT teachers need a union. personally. #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:37 PM |
@harrisonmike I think there are some areas that seem to be maybe more male oriented than others. I think YL has many females too #ELTChat |
| grahamstanley |
9:37 PM |
@sandymillin #iatefl committee is staffed by volunteers #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:37 PM |
RT @mkofab: Does it really matter to you whether speakers/committee are male /female? I never think like that.They are good or not good :-) #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:37 PM |
IATEFL advisory panel is 5:4 male:female RT @duncan_lydbury: @harrisonmike read http://t.co/im73vZYB #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:37 PM |
RT @mkofab: Does it really matter to you whether speakers/committee are male /female? I never think like that.They are good or not good :-) #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:38 PM |
@kalinagoenglish @AnneSinclair1 RT @duncan_lydbury: @harrisonmike Then form one #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:38 PM |
RT @sandymillin #iatefl committee is staffed by volunteers #eltchat <so if women don't volunteer how can they be on board? Good point |
| harrisonmike |
9:38 PM |
@ShellTerrell That's a case of people putting themselves forward for positions then #eltchat #volunteer #iatefl |
| Shaunwilden |
9:38 PM |
RT @sandymillin: RT @grahamstanley: @sandymillin #iatefl committee is staffed by volunteers #eltchat <so if women don't volunteer how can they be on board? |
| sandymillin |
9:38 PM |
RT @mkofab: Does it really matter to you whether speakers/committee are male /female? I never think like that.They are good or not good :-) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:39 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 @kalinagoenglish #eltchat Am all for unions but do you think it would achieve anything - give… (cont) http://t.co/5LZPe8ps |
| AnthonyGaughan |
9:39 PM |
@duncan_lydbury Duncan, I was asking a question. These are to gain info, not voice opinion. Have U had a bad day? #pipedown #BESIG #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:39 PM |
@duncan_lydbury I'm a member of a teaching union, but my national sector #UCU #eltchat |
| fionamau |
9:39 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: @harrisonmike I think there are some areas that seem to be maybe more male oriented than others. I think YL has many females too #ELTChat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:39 PM |
@shaunwilden #eltchat - would love some stats on number of women volunteering for IATEFL etc and how many lead it |
| nathankeeves |
9:39 PM |
RT @brenbrennan: Why Received Pronunciation for Business English recordings? http://t.co/khI3yClA #tesol #efl #edtech #ELTCHAT |
| grahamstanley |
9:39 PM |
@sandymillin exactly - strange in a profession where most teachers are women #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:39 PM |
#eltchat - More biblio details on Ammon here: http://t.co/pLthDVDN . Also, http://t.co/6SMAk3k4 is supposed to be good too :p |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:39 PM |
Put your hand up, I´m sure they´d listen - #eltchat |
| NikkiFortova |
9:40 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: I think it is personal choice. Many women have better fish to fry #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:40 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: I think it is personal choice. Many women have better fish to fry #ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:40 PM |
Gavin in his blog brings up sexism in ELT tied to the books that sell happen to be from certain archetype http://t.co/m3wIyqJO #ELTChat |
| sandymillin |
9:40 PM |
my mum is librarian, also female-dominated. but many of their committees etc disproportionately male because they volunteer for it #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:40 PM |
I think it is personal choice. Many women have better fish to fry #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:40 PM |
@kalinagoenglish I think they would ne interesting to see but it doesn't alter the fact it is volunteers #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:40 PM |
@harrisonmike Great - but if you want one - do something. I don't and I won't #UCU #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:40 PM |
@kalinagoenglish But if women don't come forward to volunteer, don't be surprised if gender split is unequal #eltchat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:40 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: @duncan_lydbury I'm a member of a teaching union, but my national sector #UCU #eltchat Yes, me too |
| grahamstanley |
9:40 PM |
#eltchat personally, I think this changing - lots more women stepping forward to take positions in #iatefl - if #ltsig elections are a sign |
| McGough3R |
9:41 PM |
@lolwhites #eltchat Sometimes younger female teachers can have management issues. |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:41 PM |
RT @grahamstanley: #eltchat personally, I think this changing - lots more women stepping forward to take positions in #iatefl - if #ltsig elections are a sign |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:41 PM |
RT @kalinagoenglish: @shaunwilden #eltchat - good point! Can´t argue that one. @duncan_lydbury #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:41 PM |
RT @grahamstanley: #eltchat personally, I think this changing - lots more women stepping forward to take positions in #iatefl - if #ltsig elections are a sign |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:41 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: I think it is personal choice. Many women have better fish to fry #ELTchat >Yeah - sensible comment |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:41 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: @kalinagoenglish But if women don't come forward to volunteer, don't be surprised if gender split is unequal #eltchat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:42 PM |
Lots of great women bloggers in #ELT #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:42 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: @grahamstanley I think also social media is bringing more voices to the forefront & those in countries not usually recognized are #ELTChat |
| NikkiFortova |
9:42 PM |
RT @McGough3R: @lolwhites #eltchat Sometimes younger female teachers can have management issues. > can you exemplify? |
| sandymillin |
9:42 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: @kalinagoenglish But if women don't come forward to volunteer, don't be surprised if gender split is unequal #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:42 PM |
RT @McGough3R: @lolwhites #eltchat Sometimes younger female teachers can have management issues. >Yes, I am sure |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:42 PM |
@McGough3R and men don´t - I´m a terrible manager! #eltchat |
| grahamstanley |
9:42 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: @grahamstanley I think also social media is bringing more voices to the forefront & those in countries not usually recognized are #ELTChat |
| sandymillin |
9:42 PM |
RT @grahamstanley: #eltchat personally, I think this changing - lots more women stepping forward to take positions in #iatefl - if #ltsig elections are a sign |
| ShellTerrell |
9:42 PM |
@grahamstanley I think also social media is bringing more voices to the forefront & those in countries not usually recognized are #ELTChat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:43 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat Why don't women come forward to volunteer? "Better fish to fry" or belief that "it's a man's world?" |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:43 PM |
@duncan_lydbury Hey one for the guys! #ELT #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:43 PM |
#eltchat Why don't women come forward to volunteer? "Better fish to fry" or belief that "it's a man's world?" |
| mkofab |
9:43 PM |
RT @duncan_lydbury: @AnneSinclair1 Just - Lots of great women - but lots of great guys too! #ELT #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:43 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 Just - Lots of great women - but lots of great guys too! #ELT #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:43 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @AnneSinclair1: Lots of great women bloggers in #ELT #eltchat Yes completely agree there |
| McGough3R |
9:43 PM |
@ShellTerrell I agree! Quality and innovation. World is moving too fast to wait for published authors. #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:43 PM |
@Shaunwilden yes, good question. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:43 PM |
RT @AnneSinclair1: Lots of great women bloggers in #ELT #eltchat Yes completely agree there |
| Shaunwilden |
9:43 PM |
@McGough3R @lolwhites What do you mean by issues? #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:44 PM |
If I wa not working in #ELT 7 women would not have a job #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:44 PM |
Gavin's blog: sexism/authors http://t.co/AOU0BjLC #eltchat are women trying to be published? needs drive/desire. not automatically sexist |
| SueAnnan |
9:44 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 I think we want to have a work-life balance with a good homelife included #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:44 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @McGough3R: Quality and innovation. World is moving too fast to wait for published authors. #eltchat |
| fionamau |
9:44 PM |
RT @AnneSinclair1: Lots of great women bloggers in #ELT #eltchat > Blogs etc r redressing the balance in the world of publishing, 4 sure. |
| mkofab |
9:44 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat Why don't women come forward to volunteer? "Better fish to fry" or belief that "it's a man's world?" |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:44 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat Why don't women come forward to volunteer? "Better fish to fry" or belief that "it's a man's world?" >Crap |
| ShellTerrell |
9:44 PM |
Agree! RT @McGough3R: Quality and innovation. World is moving too fast to wait for published authors. #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:45 PM |
@ShellTerrell Don´t allow Saudi´s to advertise in the UK for men only! for starters. #ELTChat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:45 PM |
RT @sandymillin: Gavin's blog: sexism/authors http://t.co/AOU0BjLC #eltchat are women trying to be published? needs drive/desire. not automatically sexist |
| sandymillin |
9:45 PM |
Gavin's blog: sexism/authors http://t.co/AOU0BjLC #eltchat do people know how to get into it? are men trying harder to make name? #curious |
| McGough3R |
9:45 PM |
@NikkiFortova Please understand I'm not sexist, but a 20 something female teacher can have issues with a senior class of boys. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:45 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson But the maj in this #eltchat have done their best to suggests it is not #eltchat |
| lisibo |
9:45 PM |
RT @mkofab: Does it really matter to you whether speakers/committee are male /female? I never think like that.They are good or not good :-) #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:45 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: So for the last 15 minutes let's think of some ways to combat sexism, racism, discrimination in ELT #ELTChat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:45 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: So for the last 15 minutes let's think of some ways to combat sexism, racism, discrimination in ELT #ELTChat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:45 PM |
So for the last 15 minutes let's think of some ways to combat sexism, racism, discrimination in ELT #ELTChat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:46 PM |
@ShellTerrell Once again - I have to disagree #ELTChat |
| grahamstanley |
9:46 PM |
My experience of the #britishcouncil is that there's a healthy gender balance in ELT in management globally #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:46 PM |
I think it´s everyone´s duty to be non-racist, and discirminatory and to lead by example #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:46 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat Why don't women come forward to volunteer? "Better fish to fry" or belief that "it's a man's world?" <Good q |
| harrisonmike |
9:46 PM |
Snap =P RT @sandymillin: RT @harrisonmike: All want to be famous for 15 minutes?? #eltchat #reasonswhyIblog ;) |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:46 PM |
RT @annesinclair1: So for the last 15 minutes let's think of some ways to combat sexism, racism, discrimination in ELT #ELTChat |
| McGough3R |
9:46 PM |
@eyespeakbrasil Men can have issues too, but a patriarchal culture does some of the early management for male teachers. #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:46 PM |
I think also that prob could be conferences don't usually book local spkrs & many women might feel uncomfortable traveling so much #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:46 PM |
RT @duncan_lydbury: Personally - I think we should all do the job we are best and happiest at - happy to have a job - but make sure it pays the bills #eltchat |
| alshareef2020 |
9:46 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: hi, quick PLN survey! what languages do you tweet in? do you use the different languages for different topics? pls RT! :) #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:46 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: All want to be famous for 15 minutes?? #eltchat #reasonswhyIblog ;) |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:46 PM |
Personally - I think we should all do the job we are best and happiest at - happy to have a job - but make sure it pays the bills #eltchat |
| fionamau |
9:46 PM |
Surely problem isn't so much where personal choice/volunteerin's concerned, it's where ppl r chosen fr an opportunity bcoz o gender #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:46 PM |
@sandymillin All want to be famous for 15 minutes?? #eltchat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:46 PM |
Nonsense re better fish to fry, good sexist perspective but not truth, show the stats on female volunteers vs male vs male leaders. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:46 PM |
@McGough3R but so could any teacher, given some of the classes i've seen #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:46 PM |
#eltchat presence of large numbers of female bloggers suggests they do "volunteer" |
| mkofab |
9:47 PM |
RT @Wiktor_K: Come on.Every1 can have management issues, & every1 wants work-life balance. "men are X,women are Y" is close to sexist itself. #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:47 PM |
@ShellTerrell Can't remember numbers, but many female speakers at TESOL FR #eltchat plenaries all-male though |
| Wiktor_K |
9:47 PM |
Come on.Every1 can have management issues, & every1 wants work-life balance. "men are X,women are Y" is close to sexist itself. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:47 PM |
@grahamstanley Yes i've just finished tutoring a lo of their managers - mainly female #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:47 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat Why don't women come forward to volunteer? < if you can answer that, a lot of the 'sexism' may disappear |
| mlearning |
9:47 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: I think also that prob could be conferences don't usually book local spkrs & many women might feel uncomfortable traveling so much #ELTChat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:47 PM |
@duncan_lydbury It's always good to have diversity of opinion! Keeps the brain juices flowing #ELTChat |
| AnthonyGaughan |
9:47 PM |
@duncan_lydbury Help me see how what you just said isn't sexist. Please. #ELT #eltchat |
| NikkiFortova |
9:47 PM |
@McGough3R Sure, though I'd guess that would be more on a personal level rather than gender related. #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:47 PM |
RT @eyespeakbrasil: I think it´s everyone´s duty to be non-racist, and discirminatory and to lead by example #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:48 PM |
@kalinagoenglish Must disagree #eltchat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:48 PM |
I think it's good that we've raised the issue . It seems to be a passionate subject! #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:48 PM |
@ShellTerrell combat it by not allowing it in...work in a completely equal, merit-based way. offer opportunities to all #ELTChat |
| fionamau |
9:48 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: @ShellTerrell Many female speakers at TESOL FR #eltchat plenaries all-male though > Often the case still, but changing |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:48 PM |
I want quotas. I want equal representation. #eltchat I don't want to hear poppycock about women&other races not volunteering |
| grahamstanley |
9:48 PM |
for instance, Barcelona adults teaching centre = 4 female and 2 male senior teachers #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:48 PM |
@ShellTerrell yep, need those brain juices - slurpies anyone #ELTChat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:48 PM |
@AnthonyGaughan OK - If there weren't 7 people working *with* me - I wouldn't have a job - an I am not the boss #ELT #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:49 PM |
RT @McGough3R: a 20 something female teacher can have issues with senior class of boys. #eltchat <& a 20-sth male with girls. worksbothways |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:49 PM |
Great to see how international this evening was #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:49 PM |
RT @mkofab: @fionamau But again: does that make a difference?? Do you think: Great plenary, but a pity it was a man? I never think like that. #eltchat |
| mkofab |
9:49 PM |
@fionamau But again: does that make a difference?? Do you think: Great plenary, but a pity it was a man? I never think like that. #eltchat |
| McGough3R |
9:49 PM |
@NikkiFortova Very true...talking from perspective of a small farming county in PA. #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:49 PM |
@ShellTerrell but difficult to combat if you can't identify the exact problem. anecdotes and hearsay don't wash. needs research #ELTChat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:49 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 Yeah - but not the same subject ;-) #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:49 PM |
@harrisonmike I think I see sexism mostly with plenary choices but I think also tied to what sells or who is published too #ELTChat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:49 PM |
@AnneSinclair1 always is. #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:50 PM |
RT @eyespeakbrasil: I think it´s everyone´s duty to be non-racist, and discirminatory and to lead by example #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:50 PM |
@harrisonmike Fankoo! #eltchat #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:50 PM |
@fionamau @harrisonmike I agree that I have seen progress & have seen more diversity at conferences than before #ELTChat |
| grahamstanley |
9:50 PM |
@kalinagoenglish yes, but the same is true at higher levels too #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
9:50 PM |
Always is, Duncan. #eltchat is a fab thing =) RT @duncan_lydbury: Great to see how international this evening was #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:50 PM |
@ShellTerrell that was not actually my quote originally #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:50 PM |
@kalinagoenglish almost impossible though, across multiple institutions, small schools, different countries. #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:51 PM |
@SueAnnan @sandymillin sorry about that #ELTChat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:51 PM |
RT @sandymillin: combat it by not allowing it in...work in a completely equal, merit-based way. offer opportunities to all #ELTChat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:51 PM |
@grahamstanley Thanks Graham #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:51 PM |
RT @sandymillin: @ShellTerrell but difficult to combat if you can't identify the exact problem. anecdotes and hearsay don't wash. needs research #ELTChat |
| sandymillin |
9:51 PM |
RT @Wiktor_K: Come on.Every1 can have management issues, & every1 wants work-life balance. "men are X,women are Y" is close to sexist itself. #ELTchat |
| grahamstanley |
9:51 PM |
@kalinagoenglish I'll do some research and report back about it #eltchat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:51 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: @fionamau @harrisonmike I agree that I have seen progress & have seen more diversity at conferences than before #ELTChat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:51 PM |
Good point! RT @lolwhites: not why they were chosen - hard enough to find plenary speakers as it is #ELTChat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:51 PM |
RT @eyespeakbrasil: I think it´s everyone´s duty to be non-racist, and discirminatory and to lead by example #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:51 PM |
@kalinagoenglish more importantly it wouldn't address the issues that cause sexism, just hide it #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:52 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson actually I think we can do it as we have staff lists from all schools, will ask tomorrow #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:52 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: For all the talk about IATEFL this evening, why hasn't anyone mentioned TESOL? Don't they count? #eltchat >Nope :-) |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:52 PM |
@grahamstanley :-) sounds very good #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:52 PM |
I´d like to see more blokes teaching! #eltchat irrespective of mgmt. |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:52 PM |
#eltchat I'd love to see an affiliate network or similar *cough*international house*cough* do a survey into gender, ethnic etc breakdown |
| ShellTerrell |
9:52 PM |
RT @sandymillin: difficult to combat if you can't identify the exact problem. anecdotes and hearsay don't wash. needs research #ELTChat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:52 PM |
RT @duncan_lydbury: RT @eyespeakbrasil: I think it´s everyone´s duty to be non-racist, and discirminatory and to lead by example #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:52 PM |
For all the talk about IATEFL this evening, why hasn't anyone mentioned TESOL? Don't they count? #eltchat |
| grahamstanley |
9:53 PM |
@theteacherjames perhaps we have less info - my guess is that #eltchat is more #iatefl than #tesol |
| SueAnnan |
9:53 PM |
RT @sandymillin: @McGough3R thankfully no exp of probs with teens, but know ppl who have. normally personality. nth 2 do w/ sexism #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
9:53 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: A project like The Round might be a good way to get more culturally & gender diverse authors out there http://t.co/T1B1EeNy #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:53 PM |
A project like The Round might be a good way to get more culturally & gender diverse authors out there http://t.co/T1B1EeNy #eltchat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:53 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: For all the talk about IATEFL this evening, why hasn't anyone mentioned TESOL? Don't they count? #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:53 PM |
RT @Swizzle43: “@mkofab: Does it really matter whether speakers/committee are male /female? MT They are good or not good :-) #eltchat†|
| sandymillin |
9:53 PM |
@McGough3R thankfully no exp of probs with teens, but know ppl who have. normally personality. nth 2 do w/ sexism #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:53 PM |
@Shaunwilden :D #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:53 PM |
@eyespeakbrasil I teach about 60% #eltchat |
| Swizzle43 |
9:53 PM |
“@mkofab: Does it really matter whether speakers/committee are male /female? MT They are good or not good :-) #eltchat†|
| sandymillin |
9:53 PM |
RT @mkofab: @fionamau But again: does that make a difference?? Do you think: Great plenary, but a pity it was a man? I never think like that. #eltchat |
| McGough3R |
9:53 PM |
@sandymillin Have you had any experience? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:54 PM |
@grahamstanley @kalinagoenglish @duncan_lydbury They have over 12,000 members so they should http://t.co/JlHXZOyi #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:54 PM |
Must dash - love to all - Male and Female #eltchat |
| lolwhites |
9:54 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson hard to do in France where ethnic monitoring is illegal #eltchat |
| fionamau |
9:54 PM |
@mkofab Do you think: Great plenary, but a pity it was a man? #eltchat No, but I notice if all plenaries r men - someone make that choice. |
| grahamstanley |
9:54 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: A project like The Round might be a good way to get more culturally & gender diverse authors out there http://t.co/T1B1EeNy #eltchat |
| MacmillanMexico |
9:54 PM |
RT @brad5patterson: Where did my English mojo go? http://t.co/QKPnXYaC by @phil2wade #eltchat #globalenglish >>> interesting convo here |
| ShellTerrell |
9:54 PM |
Agree! RT @lolwhites: No 1 criterion for a plenary speaker - are you free on the day? #eltchat |
| lolwhites |
9:54 PM |
No 1 criterion for a plenary speaker - are you free on the day? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:55 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: A project like The Round might be a good way to get more culturally & gender diverse authors out there http://t.co/T1B1EeNy #eltchat |
| NikkiFortova |
9:55 PM |
@duncan_lydbury thanks for your comments :-) #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:55 PM |
RT @eyespeakbrasil: I´d like to see more blokes teaching! #eltchat irrespective of mgmt. < lots of male science/tech teachers in UK ;) |
| pysproblem81 |
9:55 PM |
@ShellTerrell How do you think blogging has affected the publishing/sales of methodology/teaching idea books? #eltchat |
| McGough3R |
9:55 PM |
@sandymillin Good point! #eltchat |
| Wiktor_K |
9:55 PM |
Impossible to discuss gender in ELT separately from race, origin, access &c. Sexism is 1 of many facets of 1 problem. #ELTchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:56 PM |
Btw- Shameless plug- Come Google+ Hangout Fri. Dec 9th w @lclandfield @LukeMeddings Topic: The Round http://t.co/KA7lUQns #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:56 PM |
@Shaunwilden Phew! #eltchat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:56 PM |
RT @lolwhites: @MrChrisJWilson hard to do in France where ethnic monitoring is illegal #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:56 PM |
ELT doesn't pay very well for many teachers- not easy to raise a family on it. Perhaps a reason for more female teachers?#ELTchat |
| kalinagoenglish |
9:56 PM |
@mrchrisjwilson a good point #eltchat I see it as a good and strong step though, worked for racism issues in other industries |
| Shaunwilden |
9:56 PM |
@duncan_lydbury Thank you for joining tonight #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:57 PM |
@pysproblem81 Maybe propose that as an upcoming #ELTChat topic? |
| mkofab |
9:57 PM |
@fionamau I do not know how that works but other factors maybe?: how many applicants, diversity in topics, nationalities, etc ... #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:57 PM |
Good question! RT @pysproblem81: How do you think blogging has affected the publishing/sales of methodology/teaching idea books? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:57 PM |
RT @eyespeakbrasil: @sandymillin really big shortage in New Zealand #eltchat shortage of? |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:57 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: Btw- Shameless plug- Come Google+ Hangout Fri. Dec 9th w @lclandfield @LukeMeddings Topic: The Round http://t.co/KA7lUQns #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:57 PM |
@duncan_lydbury You made it! #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
9:57 PM |
@lolwhites I didn't know that! good point though! #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
9:58 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: 1 problem with this chat is the lack of tangible examples. I'm not saying sexism doesn't exist, but no one has convinced me where. #eltchat |
| lolonagi |
9:58 PM |
@harrisonmike thanks so much for spreading the word #eltchat #help #proofreading |
| ShellTerrell |
9:58 PM |
@nathankeeves @lolwhites I have to and I mostly have enjoyed the plenary speakers only a few disappointments #ELTChat |
| theteacherjames |
9:58 PM |
1 problem with this chat is the lack of tangible examples. I'm not saying sexism doesn't exist, but no one has convinced me where. #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:58 PM |
@ShellTerrell Shameless plug - check out our new online courses! http://t.co/zRUfuFne #eltchat |
| grahamstanley |
9:58 PM |
@theteacherjames yes, but... CoPs develop in certain ways and I think #eltchat has developed with an #iatefl bias |
| duncan_lydbury |
9:59 PM |
@Shaunwilden My pleasure #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
9:59 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: ELT doesn't pay very well for many teachers- not easy to raise a family on it. Perhaps a reason for more female teachers?#ELTchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:59 PM |
RT @psitutor: @ShellTerrell sexism, racism and discrimination can be negated by changing our language~jokes, 'bad' and 'good' words... #ELTChat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
9:59 PM |
RT @psitutor: @ShellTerrell sexism, racism and discrimination can be negated by changing our language~jokes, 'bad' and 'good' words... #ELTChat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
9:59 PM |
RT @ShellTerrell: Good question! RT @pysproblem81: How do you think blogging has affected the publishing/sales of methodology/teaching idea books? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:59 PM |
@grahamstanley Agreed, I just thought it needed to be pointed out. #eltchat |
| psitutor |
9:59 PM |
@ShellTerrell sexism, racism and discrimination can be negated by changing our language~jokes, 'bad' and 'good' words... #ELTChat |
| sandymillin |
10:00 PM |
@grahamstanley thanks for that #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
10:00 PM |
RT @grahamstanley: @sandymillin yes, speaking of which : http://t.co/2ofFhqdF 'How to re-engage boys in education' (TED Talk) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
10:00 PM |
Ok time's almost up on a rather opinion dividing #eltchat while some of us get looking for stats, who fancies the summary job? |
| eyespeakbrasil |
10:00 PM |
@duncan_lydbury thanks Duncan. #eltchat |
| grahamstanley |
10:00 PM |
@sandymillin yes, speaking of which : http://t.co/2ofFhqdF 'How to re-engage boys in education' (TED Talk) #eltchat |
| duncan_lydbury |
10:00 PM |
@NikkiFortova My pleasure #eltchat |
| Wiktor_K |
10:00 PM |
Dear #ELTchat, thanks for this. I never thought this topic would fit into 140 characters. Good night, ladies & gentlemen. |
| ShellTerrell |
10:01 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Ok time's almost up on a rather opinion dividing #eltchat while some of us get looking for stats, who fancies the summary job? |
| SueAnnan |
10:01 PM |
RT @mkofab: @theteacherjames I think that was the overall conclusion. Not convinced :-) #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
10:01 PM |
Thank you everyone for another thought-provoking #ELTChat & moderator extraordinaire @Shaunwilden Any volunteers for the summary? |
| mkofab |
10:01 PM |
@theteacherjames I think that was the overall conclusion. Not convinced :-) #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
10:01 PM |
@Shaunwilden you´ve changed your photo - I don´t mind doing it, if you show me how. #eltchat |
| psitutor |
10:01 PM |
@grahamstanley #eltchat but what Values are those stepping forward holding...? If same same dominate or be dominated then nothing changes |
| duncan_lydbury |
10:01 PM |
Excellent #eltchat tonight. It's a shame we don't all have equal opportunities but, at least, we all have an equal voice. |
| iatefl_besig |
10:01 PM |
Excellent #eltchat tonight. It's a shame we don't all have equal opportunities but, at least, we all have an equal voice. |
| lydbury |
10:01 PM |
Excellent #eltchat tonight. It's a shame we don't all have equal opportunities but, at least, we all have an equal voice. |
| AnneSinclair1 |
10:02 PM |
Lots more to say on the subject #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
10:02 PM |
RT @psitutor: sexism, racism and discrimination can be negated by changing our language~jokes, 'bad' and 'good' words... #ELTChat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
10:02 PM |
@Shaunwilden cheers. #eltchat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
10:02 PM |
I fell we've only got started ! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
10:02 PM |
@eyespeakbrasil Cool, i'll get the transcript then point you in the right direction #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
10:02 PM |
RT @eyespeakbrasil: @Shaunwilden you´ve changed your photo - I don´t mind doing it, if you show me how. #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
10:02 PM |
RT @grahamstanley: @sandymillin yes, speaking of which : http://t.co/2ofFhqdF 'How to re-engage boys in education' (TED Talk) #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
10:03 PM |
RT @duncan_lydbury: Excellent #eltchat tonight. It's a shame we don't all have equal opportunities but, at least, we all have an equal voice. |
| kalinagoenglish |
10:03 PM |
Thanks for roping me in tonight @annesinclair1 :-) Fab discussion all, thanks all running and participating #eltchat interesting! |
| grahamstanley |
10:03 PM |
#eltchat thanks for drawing me in tonight... very interesting subject |
| SueAnnan |
10:03 PM |
Great Job maderators. Very heated discussion tonight and you kept the lid on it :-) Thanks everyone, great discussion#ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
10:03 PM |
@ShellTerrell Yes we got a volunteer :-) #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
10:04 PM |
@Shaunwilden sorry= just noticed - might have been a freudian slip:-) #eltchat |
| lolwhites |
10:04 PM |
enjoyed my first #eltchat, see you next time |
| Shaunwilden |
10:04 PM |
@SueAnnan i like the typo - maderators :-) #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
10:04 PM |
#eltchat turns out having a lecture in feminism at university can be useful in a #TEFL job! |
| Shaunwilden |
10:05 PM |
@reasons4 haha, hello gareth :-) #eltchat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
10:05 PM |
RT @psitutor: @grahamstanley #eltchat but what Values are those stepping forward holding...? If same same dominate or be dominated then nothing changes |
| SueAnnan |
10:05 PM |
RT @reasons4: RT @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan i like the typo - maderators :-) #eltchat you assume it's a typo>LOL |
| reasons4 |
10:05 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan i like the typo - maderators :-) #eltchat you assume it's a typo |
| MrChrisJWilson |
10:05 PM |
@lolwhites good to have you come! hopefully see you next time if I can! #eltchat |
| reasons4 |
10:05 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @SueAnnan i like the typo - maderators :-) #eltchat |
| McGough3R |
10:05 PM |
@ShellTerrell How can progressive educators promote diversity without marginalizing those kids with agendas from home? #eltchat |
| AnneSinclair1 |
10:05 PM |
@kalinagoenglish Glad you enjoyed it! Lots more to discuss! #eltchat |
| fionamau |
10:06 PM |
RT @AnneSinclair1: Lots more to say on the subject #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
10:06 PM |
Especially looking for learners who aren't keen on using tech to try to identify characteristics http://t.co/ZG1tLXB0 TY! #eltchat #efl |
| eyespeakbrasil |
10:06 PM |
RT @sandymillin: Quick request: can you ask your learners to fill in my survey for #IATEFL presentation on learners&tech? http://t.co/ZG1tLXB0 #eltchat #efl |
| SueAnnan |
10:06 PM |
@sandymillin mine did today Sandy #IATEFL #eltchat #efl |
| sandymillin |
10:06 PM |
Quick request: can you ask your learners to fill in my survey for #IATEFL presentation on learners&tech? http://t.co/ZG1tLXB0 #eltchat #efl |
| harrisonmike |
10:06 PM |
The relentless tweetstream drives them to it RT @reasons4: RT @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan typo - maderators :-) #eltchat you assume it's a typo |
| Write_To_Learn |
10:06 PM |
Great English pronunciation resources: http://t.co/Mgn98jQw #edchat #ellchat #eltchat |
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