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How to improve speaking skills using critical thinking without spoon feeding

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This is the transcript of the #eltchat on 30.11.2011 about speaking skills and critical thinking 

 

username time status
sandymillin 8:59 PM RT @Marisa_C: Tonight's topic how to improve speaking skills using critical thinking - in 3 mins #ELTchat @Shaunwilden & @Marisa_C moderating
cerirhiannon 9:00 PM for the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat discussing speaking skills and critical thinking
hartle 9:00 PM Hi everyone #eltchat
hartle 9:00 PM RT @naomishema: Have a good chat all! Not only am I off to bed, speaking skills is not ...- LOL! #eltchat Night night Naomi
BobToms100 9:00 PM #eltchat Ok, EFL tweeps. Activity & coursebks & self-created materials = great, but what are ur 3 go to sites to help u? #efl #esl #eal #elt
EnglishOutThere 9:01 PM Good question RT @e_d_driscoll: #ELTchat how are we defining critical thinking here?
Shaunwilden 9:01 PM RT @e_d_driscoll: #ELTchat how are we defining critical thinking here?  - Dunno you tell me :-)
e_d_driscoll 9:01 PM #ELTchat how are we defining critical thinking here?
Shaunwilden 9:01 PM Hello all welcome to tonight's #ELTchat
hartle 9:01 PM RT @cerirhiannon: for the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat discussing speaking skills and critical thinking
Marisa_C 9:02 PM Hi everyone and welcome to #ELTchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:02 PM RT @EnglishOutThere: Good question RT @e_d_driscoll: #ELTchat how are we defining critical thinking here?
yearinthelifeof 9:02 PM @Marisa_C My 11 from ’11: Am taking up  Adam Simpson’s challenge, well, not really a challeng... http://t.co/OBGWdQns #ELT #ELTchat #ESL
hartle 9:02 PM RT @e_d_driscoll: #ELTchat how are we defining critical thinking here? Good question
ElindaGjondedaj 9:03 PM RT @hartle: RT @cerirhiannon: #eltchat so what's the topic again?  how to speak to parrots? ;)  (only kidding folks!) Lots of parrots in my classes
Marisa_C 9:03 PM @hartle te he he - 500 lines #eltchat
hartle 9:03 PM RT @cerirhiannon: #eltchat so what's the topic again?  how to speak to parrots? ;)  (only kidding folks!) Lots of parrots in my classes
Marisa_C 9:03 PM RT @Shaunwilden: for the next hour please only use the #ELTchat hashtag for tweets relevant to the chat topic
shaznosel 9:03 PM Evening all! #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:03 PM for the next hour please only use the #ELTchat hashtag for tweets relevant to the chat topic
Shaunwilden 9:04 PM So the first question posed was how are we defining CT  - any answers ? #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:04 PM http://t.co/Jbm0fwf1  long & complicated def here - clarity, accuracy, precision, consistency, relevance, sound evidence,.... #eltchat
shaznosel 9:04 PM @hartle Absolutely agree, how does one change a parrot?? #eltchat
jobethsteel 9:04 PM Hello. Dining out and on #eltchat!
ElindaGjondedaj 9:05 PM RT @cerirhiannon: from wikipedia : Critical thinking is the process or method of thinking that questions assumptions #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:05 PM from wikipedia : Critical thinking is the process or method of thinking that questions assumptions #eltchat
hartle 9:05 PM RT @CELT_Athens: RT @Marisa_C: Language Development for Teachers - Slides from a presentation #delta #elt #efl #eltchat http://t.co/DxRPprqD
Shaunwilden 9:06 PM @cerirhiannon Are you quoting parrot fashion here? #ELTchat
hartle 9:06 PM Sorry everyone #eltchat I'll try to be serious now
shaznosel 9:06 PM CT -@hartle  #eltchat TO MAKE IT THINK........
cerirhiannon 9:06 PM still quoting wikipedia "there is debate among educators about its precise meaning and scope" ;) #eltchat
hartle 9:06 PM RT @shaznosel: @hartle Absolutely agree, how does one change a parrot?? #eltchat Hmm, teach it to squawk critically
Marisa_C 9:06 PM @shaznosel hello there - what a question you have given us!   #ELTchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:07 PM RT @cerirhiannon: RT @Shaunwilden:  Are you quoting parrot fashion here? #ELTchat > yup, totally uncritically ;) haha!
cerirhiannon 9:07 PM RT @Shaunwilden:  Are you quoting parrot fashion here? #ELTchat > yup, totally uncritically ;)
e_d_driscoll 9:07 PM #eltchat debunking conspiracy theories, exsmining theology doctrine, that kind of thing?
hartle 9:07 PM RT @shaznosel: CT -@hartle  #eltchat TO MAKE IT THINK........Ha ha ha :-)
Marisa_C 9:07 PM @hartle ;-)  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:08 PM @yansinday Tonight's topic how to improve speaking skills using critical thinking  #ELTchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:08 PM RT @theteacherjames: @Shaunwilden Critical thinking - the ability to interact with a subject, & question & debate its foundations with considered ideas. #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:08 PM RT @theteacherjames: @Shaunwilden Critical thinking - the ability to interact with a subject, & question & debate its foundations with considered ideas. #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:08 PM @Shaunwilden Critical thinking - the ability to interact with a subject, & question & debate its foundations with considered ideas. #ELTchat
yansinday 9:08 PM what's the topic of #ELTchat today?
Shaunwilden 9:08 PM RT @cerirhiannon: I guess questioning assumptions/norms /givens - not being spoonfed are key factors  #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:08 PM I guess questioning assumptions/norms /givens - not being spoonfed are key factors  #eltchat
EnglishOutThere 9:09 PM Critical thinking...the awakening of the intellect to the study of itself. http://t.co/qYx91pEd #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:09 PM @Marisa_C relying on evidence? #ELTchat
hartle 9:09 PM I usually work on critical thinking with reading and the speaking comes about as a result #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:09 PM RT @Marisa_C: @theteacherjames Adding - rational, open minded and relying on evidence #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:09 PM RT @shaznosel: CT - maybe to encourage SS to elaborate, be flexible, original,creative and to think for themselves..diff between us and parrots?? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:09 PM @theteacherjames Adding - rational, open minded and relying on evidence #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:09 PM CT - maybe to encourage SS to elaborate, be flexible, original,creative and to think for themselves..diff between us and parrots?? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:09 PM RT @theteacherjames: @Shaunwilden Critical thinking - the ability to interact with a subject, & question & debate its foundations with considered ideas. #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:10 PM @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Relying on evidence in the sense that there has to be justification for what is said. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:10 PM @EnglishOutThere isn't that metacognition?  (actually don't have time to read that long text)  #eltchat
shaznosel 9:10 PM @cerirhiannon  #eltchat that's where it get s difficult- so tempting to spoonfeed and then they need us by their side all the time!
sandymillin 9:10 PM RT @theteacherjames: @Shaunwilden Critical thinking - the ability to interact with a subject, & question & debate its foundations with considered ideas. #ELTchat
sandymillin 9:10 PM RT @cerirhiannon: I guess questioning assumptions/norms /givens - not being spoonfed are key factors  #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:10 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C relying on evidence? #ELTchat >  also personal experience as evidence?
hartle 9:10 PM #eltchat reading between the lines and then discussion everyone's different destinations
jobethsteel 9:11 PM #eltchat So how do you get sts to do it. Takes my Spanish uni sts months to learn.
hartle 9:11 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @shaznosel @cerirhiannon And quite a lot of them want to be spoonfed #ELTchat Absolutely! So comforting
ElindaGjondedaj 9:11 PM RT @sandymillin: CT - encouraging students to explore and play around with ideas, rather than accepting them without question #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:11 PM RT @sandymillin: CT - encouraging students to explore and play around with ideas, rather than accepting them without question #eltchat
PrettyButWise 9:11 PM RT @Marisa_C: Tonight's topic how to improve speaking skills using critical thinking - in 3 mins #ELTchat @Shaunwilden & @Marisa_C moderating
sandymillin 9:11 PM CT - encouraging students to explore and play around with ideas, rather than accepting them without question #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:11 PM @theteacherjames yes that's what i meant thanks James  #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:11 PM @shaznosel @cerirhiannon And quite a lot of them want to be spoonfed #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:11 PM RT @theteacherjames: @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Relying on evidence in the sense that there has to be justification for what is said. #ELTchat
e_d_driscoll 9:11 PM #eltchat with high speed train engineers Iget them to examine the case for their trains; with renewable energy contractors a similar process
theteacherjames 9:12 PM @jobethsteel That's the question!! Not easy but can (should) be done. #eltchat
shaznosel 9:12 PM @theteacherjames  #ELTchat exaclty. how do we get ss to interact and elaborate of their own accord.?
EnglishOutThere 9:12 PM I get Ss to record themselves speaking with speaking partners using specific scaffolded language and then listen a few times. #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:12 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @shaznosela lot of them want to be spoonfed #ELTchat > interesting balance between support and spoonfeeding at times
theteacherjames 9:13 PM @shaznosel I think it begins by having high expectations of our Ss. Ask the questions that they haven't been asked before. #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:13 PM as suggested in longer version, brainstorming can be a good starting point - myabe esp'ly brainstorming qs? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:13 PM Very diferent to creative thinking -perhaps we shld draw distinction here? Critical thinking may be more logical & analytical #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:14 PM RT @hartle: #eltchat treat stds like other adults. Listen to them and really talk to them... > works for kids too :)
theteacherjames 9:14 PM @Marisa_C Agreed, critical thinking is related to analysis, creative thinking to ideas. #ELTchat
hartle 9:14 PM #eltchat treat stds like other adults. Listen to them and really talk to them...
shaznosel 9:14 PM @hartle  #eltchat like! start with a topic and then brainstorm and evaluate. I think ss have the lang skills but not the creative skills
Shaunwilden 9:14 PM @theteacherjames 'ask questions they havent been asked before"  - an interesting thought, surely get them them to ask ?s too #ELTchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:14 PM RT @cerirhiannon: RT @theteacherjames: @shaznosel Ask the questions that they haven't been asked before. #ELTchat > get them to ask each other the qs too
sandymillin 9:14 PM RT @Marisa_C: Very diferent to creative thinking -perhaps we shld draw distinction here? Critical thinking may be more logical & analytical #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:14 PM RT @theteacherjames: @shaznosel Ask the questions that they haven't been asked before. #ELTchat > get them to ask each other the qs too
Marisa_C 9:15 PM I think - pls correct me if I am wrong - that all talking abt ANY type of speaking activity -T activs specific subject matter #ELTchat
PrettyButWise 9:15 PM @hartle say opposite opinions to encourge them to prove their point of view #eltchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:15 PM #eltchat what about role playing?  I use role playing with my younger students to practice speaking
hartle 9:15 PM RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C Agreed, critical thinking... #ELTchat But you need imagination and creativity to be able to question things
Shaunwilden 9:16 PM @theteacherjames no it's our responsibility to help them learn to ask ?s themselves :-) #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:16 PM @hartle @Marisa_C Sure, they are not mutually exclusive, but are different skills. #ELTchat
hartle 9:16 PM RT @e_d_driscoll: #eltchat how is it diff from any other free speaking practice? Why waste of time??
ElindaGjondedaj 9:16 PM RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat I think interest in topic makes a difference. If you don't care then why bother to think critically?
web20education 9:16 PM #Coursekit reshaping education for the internet age #edtech20 #elearning #edchat #eltchat #icelf11 #oeb11 #appsworld http://t.co/n7VcHQD1
hartle 9:16 PM RT @cerirhiannon: RT @hartle: #eltchat treat stds like other adults. Listen... > works for kids too :) >maybe even more so
e_d_driscoll 9:16 PM #eltchat certainly some Ss feel this sort of thing is a waste of time- how is it diff from any other free speaking practice?
ElindaGjondedaj 9:16 PM RT @hartle: RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C Agreed, critical thinking... #ELTchat But you need imagination and creativity to be able to question things
shaznosel 9:16 PM @EnglishOutThere I try but they just dry up..so then I m tempted to start the spoonfeeding...ahgg! #ELTChat
theteacherjames 9:16 PM @EnglishOutThere @cerirhiannon @shaznosel  @Shaunwilden Eventually, but at the beginning it's our responsibility to kick things off #ELTchat
MrChrisJWilson 9:16 PM #eltchat I think interest in topic makes a difference. If you don't care then why bother to think critically?
cerirhiannon 9:16 PM categorising, evaluating, rank ordering an all be CT activities that kick off speaking #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:17 PM RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat I wonder if focusing on language can cause students to forget about thinking critically? Other things on their mind.
MrChrisJWilson 9:17 PM #eltchat I wonder if focusing on language can cause students to forget about thinking critically? Other things on their mind.
EnglishOutThere 9:17 PM @shaznosel They need to feel they czn do it before they speak, so prep is crucial #ELTChat
cerirhiannon 9:17 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @theteacherjames no it's our responsibility to help them learn to ask ?s themselves :-) #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:17 PM @hartle am fine with this - as long as we know which is which - if working towards a typology of CT activities need for specificity #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:18 PM RT @Marisa_C: @MrChrisJWilson A very good point - need to get ss to focus on ideas, controversial topics - or problem situs which need resolution #eltchat
sandymillin 9:18 PM RT @cerirhiannon: might be helpful to share some specific activities and evaluate them for CT ? #eltchat
shaznosel 9:18 PM @EnglishOutThere  #ELTChat true..maybe let them research at home a topic and then bring ideas to class??
MrChrisJWilson 9:18 PM RT @Marisa_C: @MrChrisJWilson A very good point - need to get ss to focus on ideas, controversial topics - or problem situs which need resolution #eltchat
hartle 9:18 PM RT @Marisa_C: @hartle am fine with this ...- if working towards a typology of CT activities need for specificity #ELTchat Agreed
cerirhiannon 9:18 PM might be helpful to share some specific activities and evaluate them for CT ? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:18 PM @MrChrisJWilson A very good point - need to get ss to focus on ideas, controversial topics - or problem situs which need resolution #eltchat
shaznosel 9:18 PM @theteacherjames  #ELTchat How much kicking do we do? Im trying to find ways to encourage them to think for themselves..prediction/improvise
shaznosel 9:19 PM @theteacherjames  #ELTchat think you're right about the high expectations..
EnglishOutThere 9:19 PM If they can hear their own improvement RT @hartle: RT @e_d_driscoll: #eltchat how is it diff from any other fr… (cont) http://t.co/84baRFPW
Marisa_C 9:19 PM @PrettyButWise how does roleplay promote CT?  #eltchat
SophiaCon1 9:19 PM RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat I think interest in topic makes a difference. If you don't care then why bother to think critically?
hartle 9:19 PM #eltchat another tactic is to shock them out of normality and into communication
PrettyButWise 9:19 PM @ElindaGjondedaj I Like role playing as a learner as well as a teacher  #eltchat but I think it's for beginners don't u agree ?
theteacherjames 9:19 PM @Shaunwilden That's what I'm trying to say :) We have to establish an expectation of CT from the start, followed by Ss. #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:19 PM RT @cerirhiannon: might be helpful to share some specific activities and evaluate them for CT ? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:19 PM @cerirhiannon sounds like a plan to me :-D #eltchat
shaznosel 9:20 PM RT @Marisa_C: I think - pls correct me if I am wrong - that all talking abt ANY type of speaking activity -T activs specific subject matter #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:20 PM @hartle What by going up to them and shouting 'boo' :-) #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:20 PM Or rather what types of rolepla promote CT? #ELTchat
PrettyButWise 9:20 PM RT @cerirhiannon: might be helpful to share some specific activities and evaluate them for CT ? #eltchat
hartle 9:20 PM RT @cerirhiannon: might be helpful to share some specific activities and evaluate them for CT ? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:21 PM @Shaunwilden Exactly what I was thinking - Simulations and Case studies #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:21 PM @hartle  #ELTchat so many babies and we as teachers are so maternal..natural relationship, no?
sandymillin 9:21 PM RT @cerirhiannon: e.g. ask high school ss to  think (but really think) about the relevance of their education system as prep for real world .... #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:21 PM e.g. ask high school ss to  think (but really think) about the relevance of their education system as prep for real world .... #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:21 PM @Marisa_C ones that involve solving? A lot of  BE scenarios tend to encourage that #ELTchat
agarridodiez 9:21 PM Effective questioning should lead to successful critical thinking #ELTchat
hartle 9:21 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @hartle What by going up to them and shouting 'boo' :-) #ELTchat CD work!
ElindaGjondedaj 9:21 PM @MrChrisJWilson  I agree ss focus  only on the linguistic way to say sth without thinking critically what  they are talking about #ELTchat
hartle 9:22 PM RT @e_d_driscoll: #eltchat aren't we perhaps overstepping ...Why change? It's getting thm to use language naturally to think & communicate
ElindaGjondedaj 9:22 PM RT @Marisa_C: @e_d_driscoll Another good question - should ELT Ts act as educators or just as language dispensers?  #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:22 PM @e_d_driscoll Another good question - should ELT Ts act as educators or just as language dispensers?  #eltchat
EnglishOutThere 9:22 PM I agree RT @agarridodiez: Effective questioning should lead to successful critical thinking #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:22 PM @shaznosel Treating our Ss as intelligent human beings shouldn't be tough, should it?! ;-) #ELTchat
sandymillin 9:22 PM @cerirhiannon great example Ceri. So this perhaps requires collection of data from other countries, analysis of diff views #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:22 PM RT @hartle: #eltchat I asked how many people had year of birth on Facebook bfr discussing identity theft, for example. A lot commented on this
hartle 9:22 PM #eltchat I asked how many people had year of birth on Facebook bfr discussing identity theft, for example. A lot commented on this
e_d_driscoll 9:22 PM #eltchat aren't we perhaps overstepping our role if we assume we can or should try to change the way people think?
cerirhiannon 9:22 PM RT @agarridodiez: Effective questioning should lead to successful critical thinking #ELTchat
SophiaCon1 9:22 PM RT @agarridodiez: Effective questioning should lead to successful critical thinking #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:23 PM @cerirhiannon OH I think we ARE changing the way they think - in every way you can imagine - even when we lecture we do that #eltchat
sandymillin 9:23 PM @e_d_driscoll I don't think we have to change the way people think all the time, bt gd to make SS aware other ways of thinking exst #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:23 PM @e_d_driscoll it is an good point but isnt our job more that just giving the language #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:23 PM @e_d_driscoll  I don't think we're asking them to change the way they think, just to access and discuss it in class #eltchat
e_d_driscoll 9:24 PM @Shaunwilden #eltchat I think.my students pay for.the language skills they learn with.me
Shaunwilden 9:24 PM @shaznosel @PrettyButWise 'getting out hand' can be a good thing though cant it? #ELTchat
MrChrisJWilson 9:24 PM #eltchat can't remember who said this "it's impossible to teach the language and not some of the culture" changing thinking happens anyway
hartle 9:24 PM RT @Marisa_C: @e_d_driscoll Another ...   #eltchat What a language dispenser, like a soap dispenser? They get clogged up & don't use it
EnglishOutThere 9:24 PM Ask guides? RT @Marisa_C: @e_d_driscoll Another good question - should ELT Ts act as educators or just as language dispensers?  #eltchat
shaznosel 9:24 PM @PrettyButWise  #eltchat it works for older SS but they just  think it's silly! Rps with my teen classes just get out of hand..!
agarridodiez 9:24 PM Students should be given plenty of time to develop critical thinking #ELTchat
PrettyButWise 9:24 PM @Marisa_C Ss will be familiar with the language as beginners #eltchat
EnglishOutThere 9:25 PM In my experience it is a more psychological than linguistic. A process that promotes/supports CT #eltchat
hartle 9:25 PM RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat can't remember who said this "it's impossible to teach the language and not some of the culture" changing thinking happens anyway
ElindaGjondedaj 9:25 PM RT @hartle: RT @Marisa_C: @cerirhiannon OH I think we ARE changing the way they think #eltchat and maybe they change the way we think??
Marisa_C 9:25 PM @hartle te he he  - was a metaphor - u in a naughtymood tonihgt - will get ur 500 lines in the end - make u write the summary :-)  #eltchat
hartle 9:25 PM RT @Marisa_C: @cerirhiannon OH I think we ARE changing the way they think #eltchat and maybe they change the way we think??
hartle 9:26 PM RT @Marisa_C: @hartle and may be we all chanhe each other - just as we are at this very moment  #eltchat :-)
agarridodiez 9:26 PM Strategies such as talk to partners allow students to have opportunities to develop such critical thinking, even at survival levels #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:26 PM @e_d_driscoll  Fair enough, I think mine want more than from me, well  anyway they have never complained otherwise #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:26 PM @e_d_driscoll If we aren't stimulating our Ss critically in our classrooms, how do we expect them to be engaged proactive learners? #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:26 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @e_d_driscoll it is an good point but isnt our job more that just giving the language #ELTchat > with adults especially?
PrettyButWise 9:26 PM @shaznosel I agree we think it's silly ! ;p #eltchat
hartle 9:26 PM RT @Marisa_C: @hartle te he he  - was a metaphor - u in a naughtymood tonihgt  #eltchat Sorry, yes am in a rebellious mood 2night
jobethsteel 9:26 PM RT @Marisa_C @e_d_driscoll Another good question - should ELT Ts act as educators or just as language dispensers?  #eltchat Both!
cerirhiannon 9:26 PM @Marisa_C  OK; )very true, every convo we have changes the way we think ... was thinking about not political/cultural values #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:26 PM @hartle and may be we all chanhe each other - just as we are at this very moment  #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:27 PM RT @theteacherjames: @e_d_driscoll If we aren't stimulating our Ss critically in our classrooms, how do we expect them to be engaged proactive learners? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:27 PM @agarridodiez I think you mentioned the role of Questions - we need to ask Qs that make Ss think not just find facts or language #ELTchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:27 PM RT @cerirhiannon: RT @Marisa_C: @hartle and may be we all chanhe each other - just as we are at this very moment  #eltchat > :)
theteacherjames 9:27 PM @shaznosel I can imagine, but challenge is good, right? ;-) I think they'll thank you in the long run. #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:27 PM RT @Marisa_C: @hartle and may be we all chanhe each other - just as we are at this very moment  #eltchat > :)
agarridodiez 9:27 PM “@EnglishOutThere: I agree RT @agarridodiez: Effective questioning should lead to successful critical thinking #ELTchat†Thanks.
sandymillin 9:27 PM RT @cerirhiannon: starts to get them to analyse their world and the subjects they study ... (lesson plan)http://t.co/oNWYTwUa #eltchat
shaznosel 9:27 PM @theteacherjames  #ELTchat tough with teen classes as i respect their intelligence but i think they're not use to it and find it  weird!
shaznosel 9:28 PM @PrettyButWise  #eltchat i like silly and getting out of hand but these kids have to go thru a proficiency exam at 16..poor babes!
hartle 9:28 PM RT @theteacherjames: @e_d_driscoll If we aren't stimulating our Ss critically in our classrooms, how do we expect them to be engaged proactive learners? #eltchat
PrettyButWise 9:28 PM @Shaunwilden @shaznosel I totally agree with u it can be creative also #eltchat
hartle 9:28 PM #eltchat if language being used not meaningful little motivation for improvement
MrChrisJWilson 9:28 PM @shaznosel @theteacherjames very true, plus teenages are scared of admitting what they think about things. #eltchat
e_d_driscoll 9:28 PM @cerirhiannon #eltchat but I would say that's part of any human interaction- don't see necessarily any specific significance to l2 learning
eflresource 9:29 PM RT @Marisa_C: we need to ask Qs that make Ss think not just find facts or language #ELTchat Agree; + thinking more stimulating & memorable
shaznosel 9:29 PM @MrChrisJWilson yeah..class peer pressure counts for alot.. #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:29 PM RT @Marisa_C: @agarridodiez I think you mentioned the role of Questions - we need to ask Qs that make Ss think not just find facts or language #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:29 PM @shaznosel @PrettyButWise And that means they cant be silly? #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:29 PM RT @shaznosel: @theteacherjames  #ELTchat teens - i respect their intelligence- they're not use to it &find it  weird! > :)so imp v teens !
Marisa_C 9:29 PM Can't remember who mentioned the role of crticial reading leading to CT in follow up discussions #ELTchat
agarridodiez 9:29 PM A question is a good question if it's worth answering it. #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:30 PM RT @Marisa_C: Can't remember who mentioned the role of crticial reading leading to CT in follow up discussions #ELTchat > sharon
cerirhiannon 9:30 PM RT @agarridodiez: A question is a good question if it's worth answering it. #ELTchat
hartle 9:30 PM RT @Marisa_C: @agarridodiez I think you mentioned the role of Questions - we need to ask Qs that make Ss think not just find facts or language #ELTchat
e_d_driscoll 9:30 PM @cerirhiannon #eltchat nice idea and probably improves our experience of the job, but is there any real evidence that Ss learn faster?
cerirhiannon 9:30 PM @e_d_driscoll  I guess that we want the interaction in an L2 class to mirror "any human interaction" , no? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:30 PM @agarridodiez Good aphorism but not relevant to all types of language practice - important in CT development tho  #ELTchat
PrettyButWise 9:31 PM sorry can't continue it's 12:29 am and I'm sleepy GN #eltchat
shaznosel 9:31 PM @theteacherjames  #ELTchat  I keep in mind the 'long run' - they may think im mad now but I hope they reaslise why in the end!
Shaunwilden 9:31 PM RT @NikkiFortova: our Ss are intelligent, thinking human beings - challenge them with tasks that require higher level thinking  #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:31 PM RT @NikkiFortova: our Ss are intelligent, thinking human beings- challenge them with tasks that require higher level thinking  #eltchat >gd1
Shaunwilden 9:31 PM RT @jobethsteel: #ELTchat dont we need to prepare sts to be able to cope with ideas they dont agree with ie vatied contexts?
cerirhiannon 9:31 PM RT @theteacherjames: I find it hard to think of CT activities because I try to build it into everything I do. Every text, video etc has to lead to disc. #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:31 PM I find it hard to think of CT activities because I try to build it into everything I do. Every text, video etc has to lead to disc. #ELTchat
NikkiFortova 9:31 PM our Ss are intelligent, thinking human beings - challenge them with tasks that require higher level thinking  #eltchat
jobethsteel 9:31 PM Eltchat# dont we need to prepare sts to be able to cope with ideas they dont agree with ie vatied contexts?
EnglishOutThere 9:31 PM The Qs need to be personal and using lang at i+1 (Krashen)  and as part of social exp. they become mem esp. when listened to again #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:31 PM @cerirhiannon thx :-)  #ELTchat
sandymillin 9:32 PM @e_d_driscoll depends on what they want to learn. back to parrot fashion - repeating lang = not natural; thinking what to say is #eltchat
EnglishOutThere 9:32 PM RT @cerirhiannon: @e_d_driscoll  there is some evidence that engagement motivates and motivation and self-esteem are the bedrock of learning #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:32 PM @e_d_driscoll  there is some evidence that engagement motivates and motivation and self-esteem are the bedrock of learning #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:32 PM @shaznosel I'm sure they will! #ELTchat
PrettyButWise 9:33 PM @shaznosel hehehe trust me exams will force them to take it seriously ;P #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:33 PM @sandymillin though of course repeating language i.e. drills builds confidence #ELTchat
hartle 9:33 PM RT @Marisa_C: Can't remember who mentioned the role of crticial reading ...#ELTchat I did, I think
theteacherjames 9:33 PM RT @NikkiFortova: our Ss are intelligent, thinking human beings - challenge them with tasks that require higher level thinking  #eltchat
shaznosel 9:33 PM @agarridodiez  #ELTchat good point - must consider the questions Im asking..maybe that's the key?!
hartle 9:34 PM #eltchat activity doing with advanced learners in preparation for discussion. They're very into it http://t.co/B58mwR5x
shaznosel 9:34 PM RT @theteacherjames: @e_d_driscoll If we aren't stimulating our Ss critically in our classrooms, how do we expect them to be engaged proactive learners? #eltchat
eflresource 9:34 PM Also find teens often respond well  2 counter-intuitive thought experiments - good discussions!...#eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:34 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @sandymillin repeating language builds confidence #ELTchat > formulaic exponents of functional lang are often automatised
Marisa_C 9:34 PM @hartle Good texts are a great starting point - even simulations and case studies make use of them as informational input  #ELTchat
SophiaCon1 9:34 PM RT @cerirhiannon: @e_d_driscoll  there is some evidence that engagement motivates and motivation and self-esteem are the bedrock of learning #eltchat
shaznosel 9:35 PM @PrettyButWise sad but true! Wouldn't it be great to teach to chat and not to pass an exam - who cares what I think of that idea?? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:35 PM Are we losing sight of the topic a bit? 'how to improve speaking skills using critical thinking..so apart from RP and ?s what else? #eltchat
e_d_driscoll 9:35 PM @cerirhiannon #eltchat agree, but don't see that trying to make Ss think in a way that I consider reflective is always productive
SophiaCon1 9:35 PM RT @Marisa_C: @hartle Good texts are a great starting point - even simulations and case studies make use of them as informational input  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:35 PM RT @hartle: #eltchat activity doing with advanced learners in preparation for discussion. They're very into it http://t.co/MTGAKUYP
annabooklover 9:35 PM RT @theteacherjames: @e_d_driscoll If we aren't stimulating our Ss critically in our classrooms, how do we expect them to be engaged proactive learners? #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:36 PM @hartle  nice :)   clips work so well for CT - infographics a great source too e.g. info is beautiful http://t.co/8gkevX8p #eltchat
NikkiFortova 9:36 PM @Shaunwilden what do we mean by speaking skills? #eltchat
eflresource 9:36 PM @Shaunwilden Thought experiments! #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:36 PM WHat do you all say we move to some ideas for activities that involve speaking - which was in the original question #ELTchat
hartle 9:37 PM RT @jobethsteel: RT @theteacherjames I find it hard to think of CT activities because I try to build it into everything I do. Every text. . #ELTchat Me too!
hartle 9:37 PM RT @Shaunwilden: 'how to ...#eltchat Spekaing skills improve as natural by product of engaged discussion, + LA and feedback
theteacherjames 9:37 PM Improve speaking skills through engaging the Ss with subject they care about. Not an activity but necessary. #ELTchat
jobethsteel 9:37 PM RT @theteacherjames I find it hard to think of CT activities because I try to build it into everything I do. Every text. . #ELTchat Me too!
Shaunwilden 9:37 PM @NikkiFortova I think it was meant as speaking activities in general #eltchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:38 PM Once I asked them to make their jokes in english, then they were divided into groups and they were  telling the jokes to each other #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:38 PM @e_d_driscoll  get yr point - but reflection also has a role to play  -if we can access the thoughts & bring them into the open #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:38 PM RT @hartle: RT @Shaunwilden: 'how to ..#eltchat Speaking skills improve as natural byproduct of engaged discussion, + LA & feedback> lovely
eflresource 9:38 PM @e_d_driscoll Agree it's sinister if you're trying to twist them into supporting u'r point of view, but CT shldnt be about that tho?#eltchat
sandymillin 9:38 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @sandymillin though of course repeating language i.e. drills builds confidence #ELTchat <true
shaznosel 9:38 PM @Marisa_C  #ELTchat good point..ideas..alibi games, problem solving, improvise from pics, build on each others ideas
SophiaCon1 9:38 PM RT @cerirhiannon: @hartle  nice :)   clips work so well for CT - infographics a great source too e.g. info is beautiful http://t.co/8gkevX8p #eltchat
shaznosel 9:39 PM @ElindaGjondedaj  #ELTchat cute idea and could lead to cultural differnces chat and so on..
EnglishOutThere 9:39 PM Small regular speaking successes. This is a Chinese Ss who used some activities of mine with FB and Skype  http://t.co/NxuKOEmt #eltchat
harrisonmike 9:39 PM @sandymillin @Shaunwilden do drills always build confidence? #eltchat
eflresource 9:39 PM Ethical dilemmas can be a good way in, too - esp.  removed from religious points of view and esp. if they have comic overtones...#eltchat
sandymillin 9:39 PM RT @theteacherjames: Improve speaking skills through engaging the Ss with subject they care about. Not an activity but necessary. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:39 PM Decision making activities which involve evaluation - e,g. candidates for a specific job brief Ss must choose #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:39 PM If u really want your Ss to engage with the txts you put in front of them, always give them an opportunity 2 discuss it w/ other ss #ELTchat
sandymillin 9:39 PM @Shaunwilden we seem to have reversed the topic to 'how to promote critical thinking in speaking activities'! #eltchat
SophiaCon1 9:40 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @eflresource: #eltchat Ethical dilemmas can be a good way in, too - esp. if they're removed from religiou… (cont) http://t.co/laIzP7cm
shaznosel 9:40 PM critical thinking with lots of speculation..show a pic which is unusual and speculate why/how /what etc #ELTChat
Marisa_C 9:40 PM There used to be an excellent section in Management Magazine callse Dilemma & Decision - i have tons of great lessons from those #ELtchat
Shaunwilden 9:40 PM @NikkiFortova And what do you mean by collaborative learning here? working together? #eltchat
hartle 9:40 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @eflresource: Ethical dilemmas can be a good way in, too -..#eltchat > Excellent idea> Yes!!
Marisa_C 9:40 PM RT @eflresource: Ethical dilemmas can be a good way in, too -..#eltchat > Excellent idea
sandymillin 9:40 PM @harrisonmike @Shaunwilden depends on the student and how the teacher approaches them. can demotivate too #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:40 PM RT @eflresource: #eltchat Ethical dilemmas can be a good way in, too - esp. if they're removed from religiou… (cont) http://t.co/laIzP7cm
hartle 9:40 PM #eltchat speaking skills part of integrated skills work,
NikkiFortova 9:40 PM Collaborative learning in the classroom should give learners the opportunity to speak #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:41 PM @annabooklover Great game - an ELT version of it in T's Guide In HEadway Advanced OUP  #eltchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:41 PM RT @hartle: RT @shaznosel: ..show a pic which is unusual and speculate why/how /what etc #ELTChat Ads gd for this too
NikkiFortova 9:41 PM @Shaunwilden yes, Ss working together on tasks, with the teacher taking more of a back seat whilst the Ss negotiate the challenge #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:41 PM @harrisonmike @sandymillin Well 'always' is sth that is possibly not possible but I'd say done right they do help #eltchat
eflresource 9:41 PM @hartle He he, thanks :-) I've used a silly, short version of the runaway train one before - always provokes good discussion & lang#eltchat
hartle 9:41 PM RT @shaznosel: ..show a pic which is unusual and speculate why/how /what etc #ELTChat Ads gd for this too
annabooklover 9:41 PM I have a game which wasn't meant for ELT use, called SCRUPLES. Canadian people may know it. Great fun for older students #eltchat
hartle 9:42 PM RT @sandymillin: @shaznosel and you can't get much better than #eltpics 'Every picture tells a story' for unusual pics :) http://t.co/buya51Ue #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:42 PM RT @sandymillin: @shaznosel and you can't get much better than #eltpics 'Every picture tells a story' for unusual pics :) http://t.co/buya51Ue #eltchat
sandymillin 9:42 PM @shaznosel and you can't get much better than #eltpics 'Every picture tells a story' for unusual pics :) http://t.co/buya51Ue #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:42 PM @NikkiFortova So what kind of things would you do to foster that? #eltchat
eflresource 9:42 PM RT @hartle: RT @shaznosel: ..show a pic which is unusual and speculate why/how /what etc #ELTChat Ads gd for this too Yes to both of these!
shaznosel 9:42 PM @annabooklover  #eltchat omg..i remember that game - good one - lots of explanation and elaboration!
cerirhiannon 9:42 PM RT @annabooklover: I have a game which wasn't meant for ELT use, called SCRUPLES.#eltchat >I remember that, my Italian students loved it :)
hartle 9:42 PM RT @annabooklover: I have a game which wasn't meant for ELT use, called SCRUPLES. #eltchat How ds it work?
annabooklover 9:43 PM @shaznosel #eltchat Exactly! And a lot of discussion on cultural differences too!
Shaunwilden 9:43 PM @Wiktor_K Oh yes how could  i forget about lateral thinking! #eltchat
eflresource 9:43 PM RT @Wiktor_K: lateral thinking? Some good puzzles here: http://t.co/EAmQU51k #eltchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:43 PM RT @sandymillin: @shaznosel and you can't get much better than #eltpics 'Every picture tells a story' for unusual pics :) http://t.co/buya51Ue #eltchat
eflresource 9:43 PM A lot of these r gr8: http://t.co/Xjfa40Os Put sts in groups & they have to agree on their answers. #eltchat
Wiktor_K 9:43 PM Hi guys - massively late today - has anybody mentioned lateral thinking? Some good puzzles here: http://t.co/XJXiftjs #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:44 PM @eflresource picture imagine activity  #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:44 PM read texts about students' culture written by outsiders - ss as experts criticise and correct the misrepresentations #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:44 PM Use fiction/movies/tv as a way of promoting the disc. of opinions. Lots of useful lang can come from this eg disagreeing politely. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:44 PM @Wiktor_  creative thinking has been mentioned yes #ELTchat
eflresource 9:44 PM @Marisa_C ? Which one? :-) #eltchat
sandymillin 9:44 PM @shaznosel we live to serve ;) #eltpics #eltchat
annabooklover 9:44 PM RT @sandymillin: @shaznosel and you can't get much better than #eltpics 'Every picture tells a story' for unusual pics :) http://t.co/buya51Ue #eltchat
hartle 9:44 PM RT @Wiktor_K: Hi guys - massively late today - has anybody mentioned lateral thinking? : http://t.co/hRrAxskA #eltchat Nice ones
Marisa_C 9:44 PM @eflresource this sounds more like creative thinking & pics in general but hey who cares now - sharing activities #ELTChat
shaznosel 9:44 PM @sandymillin wow - this is what I've been looking for - thanks!  #eltpics #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:45 PM RT @Wiktor_K: Hi guys - massively late today - has anybody mentioned lateral thinking? Some good puzzles here: http://t.co/XJXiftjs #eltchat
hartle 9:45 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @cerirhiannon: read texts about students' culture written by outsiders - ss as experts criticise7correct the misrepresentations #eltchat
eflresource 9:45 PM @Marisa_C Ah yes, thx! Games from the Philosopher's Magazine r really interesting tho! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:45 PM lots of ideas coming now :-) Keep it up :-) #eltchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:45 PM using breaking news #ELTCHAT
Marisa_C 9:45 PM RT @cerirhiannon: read texts about students' culture written by outsiders - ss as experts criticise7correct the misrepresentations #eltchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:46 PM RT @Marisa_C: Read news items and rewrtite them from own country's local viewpoint (embedding cultural awareness too) or other way round #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:46 PM Read news items and rewrtite them from own country's local viewpoint (embedding cultural awareness too) or other way round #ELTchat
EnglishOutThere 9:46 PM Scroll down for download of sample lesson plans/worksheets that scaffold speaking tasks. V effective. http://t.co/fwb0Srl0 #eltchat
e_d_driscoll 9:46 PM RT @eflresource: @Marisa_C Ah yes, thx! Games from the Philosopher's Magazine r really interesting tho! #eltchat
hartle 9:46 PM #eltchat legal dilemmas good too
shaznosel 9:46 PM From Marissa's blog - I once saw you sticking apples on a tree at midnight..why?? love it! #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:46 PM RT @cerirhiannon: read texts about students' culture written by outsiders - ss as experts criticise and correct the misrepresentations #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:46 PM draw parallels between situations in other countries/context - compare w their reality/context - quote evidence #eltchat
eflresource 9:47 PM RT @ElindaGjondedaj: using breaking news #ELTCHAT Yes, and also science/tech developments - life elsewhere; aliens view of us; etc
cerirhiannon 9:47 PM use stereoypical statements about ss's cultures (small c e.g. teen culture/skater/surf culture) and ask ss to debate against them #eltchat
hartle 9:47 PM RT @Marisa_C: Read news items and rewrtite them from own country's local viewpoint#ELTchat Very effective :-)
shaznosel 9:47 PM @sandymillin Why else do we exist..thanks for serving! #eltpics #eltchat
eflresource 9:47 PM RT @cerirhiannon: ss as experts criticise and correct misrepresentations #eltchat maybe lead into discussion:  what wld be ideal society?etc
OlenaLysytsa 9:48 PM RT @Marisa_C: Read news items and rewrtite them from own country's local viewpoint (embedding cultural awareness too) or other way round #ELTchat
pacogascon 9:48 PM #eltchat tchat Hi, late lurking today. Using pics is a great way to elicit speech. #eltpics brilliant resource
Marisa_C 9:48 PM @theteacherjames And then try to synthesize a more objective view?  #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:48 PM RT @NikkiFortova: @Shaunwilden information gap activities, debates, dictogloss , for example, can be good collaborative tasks #eltchat
NikkiFortova 9:48 PM @Shaunwilden information gap activities, debates, dictogloss , for example, can be good collaborative tasks #eltchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:48 PM RT @eflresource: RT @ElindaGjondedaj: using breaking news #ELTCHAT Yes, and also science/tech developments - life elsewhere; aliens view of us; etc
cerirhiannon 9:48 PM RT @Marisa_C: Read news items and rewrtite them from own country's local viewpoint (embedding cultural awareness too) or other way round #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:48 PM Compare two opinion pieces from newspapers of opposite views Which is right?  #ELTchat
eflresource 9:48 PM @hartle That sounds great! #eltchat
antoniaclare 9:48 PM Hi #eltchat  peeps, just dropping in...get sts to rewrite text from different perspective
Marisa_C 9:48 PM Engage with literary text - always a great springboard for critical discussions #ELTchat
antoniaclare 9:49 PM RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C Could do! I love activities with no right answer. #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:49 PM @Marisa_C Could do! I love activities with no right answer. #ELTchat
antoniaclare 9:49 PM #eltchat dictation sentences, but sts need to change the content to be true for themselves, then compare, include controversial opinion?
ElindaGjondedaj 9:49 PM RT @theteacherjames: Compare two opinion pieces from newspapers of opposite views Which is right?  #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:49 PM RT @Marisa_C: Engage with literary text - always a great springboard for critical discussions #ELTchat > yes! literature with big&small l :)
SophiaCon1 9:49 PM RT @theteacherjames: Compare two opinion pieces from newspapers of opposite views Which is right?  #ELTchat
eflresource 9:49 PM @theteacherjames  Or: find what u agree r the right bits in these extreme opinions, too. #eltchat
hartle 9:50 PM #eltchat doing opposites activity.  Dictate something like  "Poverty leads to crime" & ask for opposite. Discuss in grps
shaznosel 9:50 PM RT @antoniaclare: RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C Could do! I love activities with no right answer. #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:50 PM RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat dictation sentences, but sts need to change the content to be true for themselves, then compare, include controversial opinion?
Shaunwilden 9:50 PM @theteacherjames @Marisa_C And it confuses the hell out of poor students expecting a right one :-) #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:51 PM ask ss to debate subjects from the opposite position to their own #eltchat ( e.g. boys argue that girls are stronger) #eltchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:51 PM “@theteacherjames: @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C And if that doesn't lead to some critical thinking, what will? :-) #eltchatâ€agree!
harrisonmike 9:51 PM @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames @Marisa_C 'Is it true, teacher?', as the student points at their work... #eltchat
pacogascon 9:51 PM #eltchat Applying jigsaw principle in diff ways is also suitable for speaking activities
Shaunwilden 9:51 PM @theteacherjames Quite :-) #eltchat
antoniaclare 9:51 PM #eltchat Watch documentary, then Imagine you're making documentary about this topic, what view will you represent, why etc?
Marisa_C 9:51 PM Reading different newsparer articles on same topic and evaluating the information #ELTchat
eflresource 9:51 PM These stories cld be useful 2: http://t.co/mlEU1R2u  http://t.co/QrRpwxkP #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:51 PM @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C And if that doesn't lead to some critical thinking, what will? :-) #eltchat
antoniaclare 9:52 PM RT @NikkiFortova our Ss are intelligent, thinking human beings - challenge them with tasks that require higher level thinking  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:52 PM @theteacherjames @harrisonmike @Marisa_C I'll tell you  - if tell me whats the correct thing to say :-) #eltchat
eflresource 9:52 PM W/ YLs, re-enacting (not 2 traumatic!) bad events from their day from diff points of view can be interesting, memorable & useful, 2 #eltchat
EnglishOutThere 9:52 PM RT @Wiktor_K: #eltchat this'll sound weird-but actually a neglected tool 4 critical chat is"a silly question"from teachers. My staff should use it more...
shaznosel 9:52 PM When there's no right answer, they look at me  and say why did we do it then?? Hello? Did we have fun/think/diverge/speculate... #ELTchat
Wiktor_K 9:52 PM #eltchat this'll sound weird-but actually a neglected tool 4 critical chat is"a silly question"from teachers. My staff should use it more...
ElindaGjondedaj 9:52 PM RT @cerirhiannon: ask ss to debate subjects from the opposite position to their own #eltchat ( e.g. boys argue that girls are stronger) #eltchat
MarianSteiner 9:52 PM RT @NikkiFortova our Ss are intelligent, thinking human beings - challenge them with tasks that require higher level thinking  #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:52 PM @cerirhiannon great idea - taking the opposite side leads to multiple perspectives #eltchat #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:52 PM @harrisonmike @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C "You tell me!" #eltchat
hartle 9:52 PM RT @eflresource: These stories cld be useful 2: http://t.co/K5yTk36y  http://t.co/nYAIcD7G #eltchat look gr8t :-)
Flocabulary 9:53 PM Extended Metaphor brought to you by... Will Ferrell! http://t.co/ZtGp4BD5 #engchat #edchat #sschat #eltchat #ntchat #hiphoped
ElindaGjondedaj 9:53 PM RT @antoniaclare: RT @NikkiFortova our Ss are intelligent, thinking human beings - challenge them with tasks that require higher level thinking  #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:53 PM RT @cerirhiannon: ask ss to debate subjects from the opposite position to their own #eltchat >> That's the kind of roleplay I like!
Shaunwilden 9:53 PM I think i have mentioned them before but thunks make for gd speaking activities http://t.co/BA5pilr0 #eltchat
hartle 9:53 PM RT @shaznosel: When there's no right answer, they look at me  and say why did we do it then??  #ELTchat  That's part of learning too
eflresource 9:54 PM @shaznosel Yeah, maybe there IS a right answer, & us adults r just 2 dumb to have figured it out. Maybe they can discover it...! #eltchat
antoniaclare 9:54 PM RT @Shaunwilden: I think i have mentioned them before but thunks make for gd speaking activities http://t.co/OLiQYfXL #eltchat >Nice ;)
shaznosel 9:54 PM @Shaunwilden  #eltchat what are thunks - sorry to ask!!
agarridodiez 9:54 PM #eltchat critical thinking improves speaking skills because students wish to give & share their own views about a topic.
hartle 9:54 PM RT @Shaunwilden: I think i have mentioned them before but thunks make for gd speaking activities http://t.co/DRmNipTo #eltchat Love those!
eflresource 9:55 PM @shaznosel Heh heh, let us know how it goes! :-) #eltchat
hartle 9:55 PM #eltchat sorry everyone gotta go. Great talk tonight Loads of ideas :-) See U next week
shaznosel 9:55 PM @Shaunwilden like! #eltchat
shaznosel 9:55 PM @eflresource totally agree - iI wait in anticipation to see how they think - learn form the ss i say! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:55 PM @shaznosel Click on the link in the last tweet  - they are unanswerable questions e.g. what colour is Wednesday  #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:55 PM @Shaunwilden:  thunks make for gd speaking activities http://t.co/PZ7bEu04 #eltchat >nver come across thunks b4- thx!
EnglishOutThere 9:55 PM Like L1 RT @eflresource: RT @agarridodiez: #eltchat critical thinking improves speaking skills because student… (cont) http://t.co/nCK4sGDW
theteacherjames 9:55 PM RT @Shaunwilden: I think i have mentioned them before but thunks make for gd speaking activities http://t.co/BA5pilr0 #eltchat
eflresource 9:55 PM RT @agarridodiez: #eltchat critical thinking improves speaking skills because students wish to give & share their own views about a topic.
Wiktor_K 9:56 PM Good 4 low levels:"alien interview" -pretend U R an alien, ask ss to explain / define things clearly - annoying & effective as hell #eltchat
eflresource 9:56 PM @hartle Thanks for the great advice! #eltchat
antoniaclare 9:56 PM RT @agarridodiez: #eltchat critical thinking improves speaking skills because students wish to give & share their own views about a topic
Marisa_C 9:56 PM @hartle cheers Sharon thx for joining  #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:57 PM RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat To help develop critical thinking+speaking, ask lots and lots of open-ended qns, and get sts to do the same
eflresource 9:57 PM @Wiktor_K  Also: an alien comes to earth, does (insert bad things) but they're normal in his culture. Shld we punish him? etc#eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:57 PM ask ss questions that only they can answer and then (gently) challenge them on their answers to get them to think further #eltchat
antoniaclare 9:57 PM #eltchat To help develop critical thinking+speaking, ask lots and lots of open-ended qns, and get sts to do the same
shaznosel 9:57 PM night sharon from sharon! #ELTchat
hartle 9:57 PM RT @eflresource: @hartle Thanks for the great advice! #eltchat :-)
Marisa_C 9:57 PM @Wiktor_K Sounds good to me - but why annoying?  #eltchat
ElindaGjondedaj 9:57 PM RT @Wiktor_K: Good 4 low levels:"alien interview" -pretend U R an alien, ask ss to explain / define things clearly - annoying & effective as hell #eltchat
antoniaclare 9:58 PM #eltchat Why? Why?  How?  Are you sure? Do you think it could be ...? etc
theteacherjames 9:58 PM Must dust off that critical thinking blog post I never got around to finishing off...  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:58 PM @EnglishOutThere Cheers and thx for contributions  #eltchat
annabooklover 9:58 PM @hartle There are cards with controversial questions and players are asked to answer them. I don't know who wins ;) #eltchat
sandymillin 9:58 PM RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat To help develop critical thinking+speaking, ask lots and lots of open-ended qns, and get sts to do the same
NikkiFortova 9:58 PM @Wiktor_K: the alien thing works really well with higher levels too :-) #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:58 PM RT @eflresource: @Wiktor_K  Also: an alien comes to earth, does (insert bad things) but they're normal in his culture. Shld we punish him? etc#eltchat
EnglishOutThere 9:58 PM Gotta shoot, thanks folks! #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:58 PM RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat To help develop critical thinking+speaking, ask lots and lots of open-ended qns, and get sts to do the same
harrisonmike 9:59 PM Those are COOOOOOOOL =) RT @Shaunwilden: thunks make for gd speaking activities http://t.co/SnpxVoGC #eltchat #speaking #fb
ElindaGjondedaj 9:59 PM RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat Why? Why?  How?  Are you sure? Do you think it could be ...? etc
shaznosel 9:59 PM @eflresource  #eltchat im introducing an alien tomorrow! apart form myself!...
cerirhiannon 9:59 PM RT @eflresource: @cerirhiannon Yup, or just ask for clarifications, or get counter-egs from other Ss. Going deeper than first reactions! #eltchat
eflresource 9:59 PM @theteacherjames Yes please! #eltchat
eflresource 9:59 PM @cerirhiannon Yup, or just ask for clarifications, or get counter-egs from other Ss. Going deeper than first reactions! #eltchat
EnglishOutThere 9:59 PM @Marisa_C Thanks!  tara #eltchat
theteacherjames 10:00 PM @eflresource Watch this space... :) #eltchat
eflresource 10:00 PM @shaznosel Another alien! At last! I thought I was alone...  :-) #eltchat
antoniaclare 10:00 PM RT @eflresource: @antoniaclare Yes! "But what about...?" is usually a good one, too :-) - Indeed! #eltchat
theteacherjames 10:00 PM The key to critical thinking is engagement. If we really want engaged learners, then CT has surely got to come into it somewhere. #ELTchat
eflresource 10:00 PM @antoniaclare Yes! "But what about...?" is usually a good one, too :-) #eltchat
pacogascon 10:01 PM #eltchat assign roles.SS dont no what their role is. Give opinion bout controversial issue.Rest of em puzzled.estrangement leads 2discussion
theteacherjames 10:01 PM @antoniaclare Absolutely. That's how important I think CT is. #eltchat
ElindaGjondedaj 10:01 PM RT @Marisa_C: Well good folks, it's witching hour in Athens and this marke the end of another great #ELTchat
mrbarranca 10:01 PM RT @Flocabulary: Extended Metaphor brought to you by... Will Ferrell! http://t.co/ZtGp4BD5 #engchat #edchat #sschat #eltchat #ntchat #hiphoped
Shaunwilden 10:01 PM Remember we need a volunteer to summarise all these ideas #eltchat
NikkiFortova 10:01 PM RT @eflresource: RT @theteacherjames: If we really want engaged learners, then CT has surely got to come into it somewhere. #ELTchat Wise words
antoniaclare 10:01 PM @theteacherjames The key to learning is engagement  too ;) #eltchat
Marisa_C 10:01 PM Well good folks, it's witching hour in Athens and this marke the end of another great #ELTchat
shaznosel 10:01 PM #ELTchat guess tonight , that I've learnt the critical thinking should come from me and not always my ss..my planning and my input! wow!
eflresource 10:01 PM RT @theteacherjames: If we really want engaged learners, then CT has surely got to come into it somewhere. #ELTchat Wise words
Marisa_C 10:02 PM @hartle has offered to do the summary  #ELTchat
antoniaclare 10:02 PM @theteacherjames I'm with you ;) #eltchat
cerirhiannon 10:02 PM big thank you to the mods @Marisa_C and @ShaunWilden and all you #eltchat -ters - back to work - I have a summary to write  ;)
Shaunwilden 10:02 PM @Marisa_C @ElindaGjondedaj yes Marisa so I see :-) #eltchat
shaznosel 10:02 PM @eflresource never my friend are you alone in the world of teaching..et phone home! similat to elt - no! #eltchat
Marisa_C 10:02 PM @Shaunwilden We have a volunteer for the summary  #eltchat
Marisa_C 10:03 PM @cerirhiannon thanks Ceri good one huh?  #eltchat
agarridodiez 10:03 PM Closed questions vs. Open questions #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 10:03 PM Thanks all for joining #eltchat tonight see you next week
shaznosel 10:04 PM From one planet to another - goodnight from me! Thanks for inspiring me.. #ELTChat
eflresource 10:04 PM Thank u @ShaunWilden @Marisa_C  #eltchat

 

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