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Reflective Practice What Why and How

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This is the transcript of #ELTchat on 23/11/2011 at 21.00 P.M. GMT Title: Reflective Practice in ELT: The What, Why and How

 

username 

date

time

status

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:00 PM

RT @Marisa_C: It's time for #ELTchat! Welcome all and let's talk about Reflective Practice! Are you all set? > ready!

harrisonmike

11/23/2011

11:00 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: Tonight's #eltchat is Reflective practice in ELT: The What, Why and How hello all

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:00 PM

Tonight's #eltchat is Reflective practice in ELT: The What, Why and How hello all

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:00 PM

It's time for #ELTchat! Welcome all and let's talk about Reflective Practice! Are you all set?

reasons4

11/23/2011

11:01 PM

@Shaunwilden hello I'm lurking #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:01 PM

for the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat  discussing reflective practice in ELT

chrisjw133

11/23/2011

11:01 PM

Looking forward to this #eltchat I've only really just started to take reflective practices seriously.

JoshSRound

11/23/2011

11:02 PM

hi me too RT @cerirhiannon: for the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat  discussing reflective practice in ELT

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:02 PM

RT @Marisa_C: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTchat - talking abt reflective practice - join us!

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:02 PM

RT @harrisonmike: Ok, how long before you can really start to reflect? Should you do so straightaway as a new teacher? #eltchat > yes

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:02 PM

@dalecoulter  hi there!  how was yr giornata? :) #eltchat

harrisonmike

11/23/2011

11:02 PM

Ok, how long before you can really start to reflect? Should you do so straightaway as a new teacher? #eltchat

theteacherjames

11/23/2011

11:02 PM

RT @Marisa_C: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTchat - talking abt reflective practice - join us!

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:02 PM

For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTchat - talking abt reflective practice - join us!

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:02 PM

@cerirhiannon #eltchat me too

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:03 PM

@harrisonmike  start small, build it up. For a new teacher reflecting on the little things is important. Reflection-light #eltchat

harrisonmike

11/23/2011

11:03 PM

@cerirhiannon Thanks for answering Q number 2. How long before you really get the hang of it? #eltchat ;o)

ElindaGjondedaj

11/23/2011

11:03 PM

RT @Marisa_C: RT @harrisonmike: β€@Marisa_C RT @Shaunwilden: 21.00 #eltchat is Reflective practice in ELT: The What, Why and How - see you in 6 minsβ€

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:03 PM

@e_d_driscoll: #eltchat Not jut leaving the classroom and moving to the next lesson, but thinking about what happened in there.

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:03 PM

RT @reasons4: hello I'm lurking #eltchat Hey nice to see you hear Gareth, good to have another trainer on board

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:04 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @cerirhiannon Do we not try and instill reflection right from the start  #eltchat  > yes, we should

AlexandraGuzik

11/23/2011

11:04 PM

Good evening @cerirhiannon @harrisonmike Definitely - I'm a new one and it does help. #eltchat

harrisonmike

11/23/2011

11:04 PM

#eltchat RT @chrisjw133:  it's a good idea to establish gr8 habits str8 away. However, I felt far 2 overwhelmed at 1st.

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:04 PM

RT @harrisonmike: Thx for answering Q  2. How long before you really get the hang of it? #eltchat ;o) > ah, how long's a piece of string ;)

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:04 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @cerirhiannon Do we not try and instill reflection right from the start  #eltchat --> I sure do!

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:04 PM

@cerirhiannon Do we not try and instill reflection right from the start  #eltchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:04 PM

So shall we get started? Can we have some definitions of what we mean by reflective practice? And what is non-reflective teaching? #ELTchat

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:05 PM

RT @dalecoulter: @harrisonmike  start small, build it up. For a new teacher reflecting on the little things is important. Reflection-light #eltchat

JoHart

11/23/2011

11:05 PM

#ELTchat Good Morning :) for me Reflection = mulling over what worked, what didn't, why & how to improve

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:05 PM

RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat RT @chrisjw133:   I felt far 2 overwhelmed at 1st. > can start small and build

JoshSRound

11/23/2011

11:05 PM

@harrisonmike gr8 to bring reflection into ur teaching from an early stage, but isn't there too many other things think/worry abt? #ELTchat

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:05 PM

@cerirhiannon #eltchat agree. Other pillars of teaching are instilled from the start

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:05 PM

RT @Marisa_C: So shall we get started? Can we have some definitions of what we mean by reflective practice? And what is non-reflective teaching? #ELTchat

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:05 PM

@harrisonmike Yes, but it can be difficult to know how to start. You need encouragement, mentoring, support #eltchat

harrisonmike

11/23/2011

11:05 PM

@AlexandraGuzik Hi Alexandra! =) #eltchat

AnthonyGaughan

11/23/2011

11:06 PM

Hello all, BTW! #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:06 PM

RT @reasons4: @harrisonmike I don't see why not ... new teachers should set themselves realistic goals and learn to reflect on lessons,  #eltchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:06 PM

RT @JoHart: #ELTchat Good Morning :) for me Reflection = mulling over what worked, what didn't, why & how to improve> good start

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:06 PM

@JoHart #eltchat that's in essence what it is for me too

JoshSRound

11/23/2011

11:06 PM

Agree RT @sandymillin: @harrisonmike Yes, but it can be difficult to know how to start. You need encouragement, mentoring, support #eltchat

chrisjw133

11/23/2011

11:06 PM

@sandymillin @harrisonmike Definitely! plus safety, I remember worrying that I could lose my job if I was too honest to my mentor! #eltchat

reasons4

11/23/2011

11:06 PM

@harrisonmike I don't see why not ... new teachers should set themselves realistic goals and learn to reflect on lessons,  #eltchat

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:06 PM

I think @dalecoulter's right - baby steps.  #ELTchat

AnthonyGaughan

11/23/2011

11:06 PM

@JoshSRound The rest won't get "thought about" without reflection #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:07 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Are there courses which do not encourage this? My impression was that this is now a modus vivendi on all good courses for Ts #ELTchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:07 PM

Are there courses which do not encourage this? My impression was that this is now a modus vivendi on all good courses for Ts #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:07 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @sandymillin @harrisonmike & there are many ways to reflect, doesn't have to be a big deal. Could be a conversation. #eltchat

ElindaGjondedaj

11/23/2011

11:07 PM

#ELTchat hello again! great topic!

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:07 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: Is this our def then ? "mulling over what worked, what didn't, why & how to improve"   #ELTchat I'd say so, yes.

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:07 PM

@AnthonyGaughan Hi Anthony, hope all is well in Germany  #ELTchat

theteacherjames

11/23/2011

11:07 PM

@sandymillin @harrisonmike & there are many ways to reflect, doesn't have to be a big deal. Could be a conversation. #eltchat

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:07 PM

@JoshSRound many things to worry about, but reflection can make it easier: you can take solutions/experiments into next lesson #eltchat

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:07 PM

@chrisjw133 #eltchat crickey, that's a welcoming environment to start in!

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:07 PM

Is this our def then ? "mulling over what worked, what didn't, why & how to improve"   #ELTchat

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:08 PM

RT @dalecoulter: #eltchat I do that A LOT! #reflection

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:08 PM

@shaznosel Hi Shaz - I hope some thinking is indeed provoked  #ELTChat

AnthonyGaughan

11/23/2011

11:08 PM

@Shaunwilden Hi Shaun, getting by - you?  #ELTchat

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:08 PM

#ELTChat Evening all..guess this is gonna be a deep, thought -provoking sess!

reasons4

11/23/2011

11:08 PM

@JoshSRound @sandymillin @harrisonmike #ELTchat agreed mentoring is important

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:08 PM

@Marisa_C Yes me too, though that said trainees are very hit and miss at it  #ELTchat

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:08 PM

#eltchat had what I thought was a terrible lesson the other day. Turns out it wasn't that bad #reflection

berrinyildiz

11/23/2011

11:08 PM

RT @yearinthelifeof: I need help! The DoΔuΕ University ELT Conference Roving Reporter needs questions from you:  http://t.co/5Yqj7zQU #ELT #ELTchat #ESL

eannegrenoble

11/23/2011

11:08 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: Is this our def then ? "mulling over what worked, what didn't, why & how to improve"   #ELTchat Hi :-) I'd go with that

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:08 PM

Think it's important that the reflection leads somewhere, has an active result. #eltchat

AnthonyGaughan

11/23/2011

11:09 PM

@JoshSRound Ah! So what guidance can basically any environment offer NQTs? (group brainstorm!!!) #ELTchat

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:09 PM

@Marisa_C  #ELTChat Absolutely ..that's what's we are here for!

AlexandraGuzik

11/23/2011

11:09 PM

Practice, because it really must influence the next lesson, not just stay in the diary entry with realization what, why and how. #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:09 PM

RT @JoHart: #ELTchat Also imho/e can be the thinking on feet/seizing the moment & then,post event realisation of  why I did what I did

theteacherjames

11/23/2011

11:09 PM

@Marisa_C CELTA certainly encourages a lot of post-lesson reflective discussion. #ELTchat

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:09 PM

@Marisa_C think courses include it, but that doesn't mean teachers are given a space for it in their first job. luckily i was. #ELTchat

JoHart

11/23/2011

11:09 PM

#ELTchat Also imho/e can be the thinking on feet/seizing the moment & then,post event realisation of  why I did what I did

JoshSRound

11/23/2011

11:09 PM

@AnthonyGaughan hi Anthony! so much learning on the job in elt, isn't there? Hard to find room for reflection without guidance #ELTchat

theteacherjames

11/23/2011

11:10 PM

@inglishteacher Reflection is  the reason I started my blog, so I definitely agree! #eltchat

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:10 PM

RT @inglishteacher: Just an obvious one but aren't blogs and Twitter just the best sites for reflective practice in ELT? #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:10 PM

@theteacherjames @Marisa_C How many tchrs move from course reflecting into their first jobs though?  #ELTchat

LeaSobocan

11/23/2011

11:10 PM

I find the most stimulating reflection takes place in the staffroom-bouncing ideass of each other #ELTChat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:10 PM

I guess bottom line is has to be "post event" @JoHart - but the form, the precise when and how can vary to suit ppl, circumstances #eltchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:10 PM

The question is how do teachers who haven't gone through such training can be helped to find tools for reflection and CPD #ELTchat

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:10 PM

RT @AnthonyGaughan: @JoshSRound Ah! So what guidance can basically any environment offer NQTs? (group brainstorm!!!) #ELTchat

inglishteacher

11/23/2011

11:10 PM

Just an obvious one but aren't blogs and Twitter just the best sites for reflective practice in ELT? #eltchat

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:11 PM

@inglishteacher yes, but most people seem unaware of their existence #getyourcrusadinghaton #ELTchat

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:11 PM

#eltchat @Marisa_C completely agree, in which case, teacher creates their own micro-climate?

eannegrenoble

11/23/2011

11:11 PM

RT @sandymillin: @Marisa_C t.. doesn't mean teachers are given a space for it in their first job.>refln  doesn't  need 2 much time #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:11 PM

RT @AnthonyGaughan: How many of you work at schools where "reflective conversations in the staffroom" are the norm? #ELTchat > me :)

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:11 PM

@Marisa_C  Unfortunately not.  #ELTchat

AnthonyGaughan

11/23/2011

11:11 PM

How many of you work at schools where "reflective conversations in the staffroom" are the norm? #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:11 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @inglishteacher Reflection is  the reason I started my blog, so I definitely agree! #eltchat > me too

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:11 PM

@reasons4 @Marisa_C  Yes I was just thinking that  and it is a hard skill to learn in 4 weeks with everything else anyway  #ELTchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:11 PM

@sandymillin I think many institutions don't have a 'micro-climate' that encourages reflection  #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:11 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @inglishteacher Reflection is  the reason I started my blog, so I definitely agree! #eltchat

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:11 PM

@LeaSobocan  #ELTChat or together here on ELTCHAT #ELTChat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:11 PM

RT @jemjemgardner: RT @inglishteacher: Just an obvious one but aren't blogs and Twitter just the best sites for reflective practice in ELT? #eltchat

theteacherjames

11/23/2011

11:12 PM

@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C I think in some teachers it must at least establish a habit of reflection, did with me! #ELTchat

JoHart

11/23/2011

11:12 PM

RT @shaznosel: @theteacherjames  #eltchat  I THINK blogging is the answer - sit , think, reflect and share..

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:12 PM

@cerirhiannon Agreed but does it also need help to have someone to discuss it wirh?  #ELTchat

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:12 PM

RT @AnthonyGaughan: How many of you work at schools where "reflective conversations in the staffroom" are the norm? #ELTchat me

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:12 PM

RT @dalecoulter: @cerirhiannon where I first worked - teaching was very much kept OUT of the staffroom #eltchat > common enough sadly

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:12 PM

@cerirhiannon But can set a good example! #eltchat

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:12 PM

@theteacherjames  #eltchat  I THINK blogging is the answer - sit , think, reflect and share..

inglishteacher

11/23/2011

11:12 PM

can we institutionalize reflective practice, in fact do we want to? #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:12 PM

I think reflection needs to come from within - be sth u feel u need to do - for it to work - peers can help, but can't do it for u #eltchat

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:12 PM

@cerirhiannon where I first worked - teaching was very much kept OUT of the staffroom #eltchat

esolcourses

11/23/2011

11:12 PM

Sorry for being a bit late... will do my best to play "catchy-uppy" :-) #ELTChat

reasons4

11/23/2011

11:12 PM

RT @AlexandraGuzik: Practice, because it really must influence the next lesson, not just stay in the diary entry with realization what, why and how. #eltchat

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:12 PM

RT @LeaSobocan: I find the most stimulating reflection takes place in the staffroom-bouncing ideass of each other #ELTChat

JoshSRound

11/23/2011

11:12 PM

@AnthonyGaughan a buddy/mentoring system , how many of us have experienced this ideal? #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:12 PM

@AnthonyGaughan I used to to a certain extent but that was time when the staffroom was full of delta qulaified tchers  #ELTchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:12 PM

@AnthonyGaughan Good question, Anthony - is reflection encourages or is it the norm where you work? #ELTchat

JoHart

11/23/2011

11:12 PM

#ELTchat think usually pple have to be taught to reflect (I use journal tempates with qs to start stdnts off when 1st using reflection)

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:13 PM

@Shaunwilden @AnthonyGaughan it happened at my old school too. no deltas there, but very supportive environment, great team #Eltchat

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:13 PM

RT @LeaSobocan: @shaznosel Ah, I see you dudes and dudettes as members of one big staffroom :) #ELTChat

AnthonyGaughan

11/23/2011

11:13 PM

@JoshSRound I first got this when training as a #CELTA tutor but I was also lucky in my staffroom before that #eltchat

esolcourses

11/23/2011

11:13 PM

RT @cerirhiannon: I think reflection needs to come from within - be sth u feel u need to do - for it to work - peers can help, but can't do it for u #eltchat

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:13 PM

@Marisa_C that's exactly the situation I found myself in and the decision I came to - autonomous #eltchat

LeaSobocan

11/23/2011

11:13 PM

@shaznosel Ah, I see you dudes and dudettes as members of one big staffroom :) #ELTChat

JoshSRound

11/23/2011

11:13 PM

RT @cerirhiannon: I think reflection needs to come from within - be sth u feel u need to do - for it to work - peers can help, but can't do it for u #eltchat

chrisjw133

11/23/2011

11:13 PM

@inglishteacher I think an episodic overview can be very helpful. We have p.d. meetings every term to discuss our reflections. #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:13 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @cerirhiannon Agreed but does it also need help to have someone to discuss it wirh?  #ELTchat > yes, tho not essential

ShellTerrell

11/23/2011

11:13 PM

Happy Thanksgiving from ATI http://t.co/kppQ1yh4 #esl #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:13 PM

@theteacherjames Agreed but think a fair few dont really bother  #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:13 PM

RT @jemjemgardner: @cerirhiannon But can set a good example! #eltchat > most certainly :) share generously and listen sensitively :)

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:13 PM

@esolcourses  #ELTChat im with u! Catching up..

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:13 PM

@dalecoulter Must be the answer Dale, we need to go autonomous!  #eltchat

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:13 PM

RT @JoHart: #ELTchat think usually pple have to be taught to reflect (I use journal tempates with qs to start stdnts off when 1st using reflection)

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:14 PM

Self directed teachers, learning autonomously about what matters to them and seems important to them: good thing? #eltchat

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:14 PM

RT @Marisa_C: In fact, peer pressure in most staffrooms is AGAINST reflection ---> I agree, in sum it's all about moaning. #ELTchat

JoHart

11/23/2011

11:14 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @shaznosel For me & you, yes. I think different styles of reflection suit different teachers, just like learning styles for Ss. #eltchat

theteacherjames

11/23/2011

11:14 PM

@Shaunwilden Agreed, but you can't get them all can you!? #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:14 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @shaznosel For me & you, yes. I think different styles of reflection suit different teachers, just like learning styles for Ss. #eltchat

ElindaGjondedaj

11/23/2011

11:14 PM

RT @Marisa_C: @dalecoulter Must be the answer Dale, we need to go autonomous!  #eltchat

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:14 PM

RT @cerirhiannon: I think reflection needs to come from within - be sth u feel u need to do - for it to work - peers can help, but can't do it for u #eltchat

reasons4

11/23/2011

11:14 PM

RT @cerirhiannon: I think reflection needs to come from within - be sth u feel u need to do - for it to work - peers can help, but can't do it for u #eltchat

theteacherjames

11/23/2011

11:14 PM

@shaznosel For me & you, yes. I think different styles of reflection suit different teachers, just like learning styles for Ss. #eltchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:14 PM

In fact, peer pressure in most staffrooms is AGAINST reflection - so we do need to find peers - a PLN outside the staffroom #ELTchat

royparmesan

11/23/2011

11:14 PM

Reflective practice #ELTchat: when teacher & student think different that's when it takes off

eannegrenoble

11/23/2011

11:14 PM

RT @AnthonyGaughan: How many of you work at schools where "reflective conversations in the staffroom" are the norm? #ELTchat  NOT yet

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:14 PM

RT @LeaSobocan: @shaznosel Ah, I see you dudes and dudettes as members of one big staffroom :) #ELTChat > yes :)

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:15 PM

RT @dalecoulter: Self directed teachers, learning autonomously about what matters to them, seems important to them: good thing? #eltchat yes

chrisjw133

11/23/2011

11:15 PM

#eltchat Question: are reflective practices only about our own reflections or students/other staff? How can we used them for our reflections

esolcourses

11/23/2011

11:15 PM

RT @dalecoulter: Self directed teachers, learning autonomously about what matters to them and seems important to them: good thing? #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:15 PM

@theteacherjames  No but it its making think how much it is focused on in schools per se #ELTchat

pysproblem81

11/23/2011

11:15 PM

#eltchat - does structured peer mentoring aid #reflection? Does your school do it?

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:15 PM

@jemjemgardner lol yes and more moaning  #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:15 PM

RT @dalecoulter: Self directed teachers, learning autonomously about what matters&seems important to them: good thing? #eltchat > yes!

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:15 PM

@theteacherjames  #eltchat Agree on that one..reflective practice = developmental insight

esolcourses

11/23/2011

11:15 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @shaznosel For me & you, yes. I think different styles of reflection suit different teachers, just like learning styles for Ss. #eltchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:15 PM

@theteacherjames  #eltchat Good point - we all have different styles and rates #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:15 PM

@sandymillin You had a very good support team there though with DoS and Ados and i think that makes a big difference  #ELTchat

inglishteacher

11/23/2011

11:15 PM

RT @sandymillin: @inglishteacher yes, but most people seem unaware of their existence #getyourcrusadinghaton #ELTchat

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:16 PM

RT @sandymillin: RT @Shaunwilden:You had a very good support team there though with DoS and Ados and i think that makes a big difference  #ELTchat definitely

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:16 PM

RT @dalecoulter: appeals to the intrinsically motivated in this industry. For the rest? #eltchat > persuade em it saves time in planning ;)

mattledding

11/23/2011

11:16 PM

RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat Summary: Assessing Oral Skills in Large Language Classes http://t.co/ruRsU4Pq via @yya2

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:16 PM

RT @Shaunwilden:You had a very good support team there though with DoS and Ados and i think that makes a big difference  #ELTchat definitely

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:16 PM

RT @pysproblem81: #eltchat - does structured peer mentoring aid #reflection? Does your school do it?> It should - some leaders shd be here

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:16 PM

@pysproblem81: #eltchat - does structured peer mentoring aid #reflection?  --> THink it's a great idea, but hard to set up in some places.

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:16 PM

RT @dalecoulter: Reflective practice ultimately appeals to the intrinsically motivated in this industry. For the rest? #eltchat

AnthonyGaughan

11/23/2011

11:16 PM

@Marisa_C @jemjemgardner Are we moaning about moaning here? ;-) #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:16 PM

RT @chrisjw133: #eltchat Question: are reflective practices only about our own reflections or students/other staff? How can we used them for our reflections

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:16 PM

Reflective practice ultimately appeals to the intrinsically motivated in this industry. For the rest? #eltchat

inglishteacher

11/23/2011

11:16 PM

@dalecoulter I think so, but is there space for it in busy teachers' lives #eltchat

vale360

11/23/2011

11:16 PM

RT @cerirhiannon: I think reflection needs to come from within - be sth u feel u need to do - for it to work - peers can help, but can't do it for u #eltchat

AnthonyGaughan

11/23/2011

11:17 PM

@JoshSRound Machiavellian, but recruit teachers you've trained and breed a culture of learning #ELTchat

pysproblem81

11/23/2011

11:17 PM

#Eltchat @Marisa_C @jemjemgardner  we have 'Advanced Practitioners' who have that as one of their responsibilities

theteacherjames

11/23/2011

11:17 PM

@Marisa_C E.g is @dalecoulter's reflection journals. Think it's a brilliant idea, but wouldn't work for me. Couldn't keep a diary! #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:17 PM

I think reflection can take place with or without the structure #eltchat

inglishteacher

11/23/2011

11:17 PM

RT @eannegrenoble: RT @inglishteacher: @dalecoulter is there space for it in busy teachers' lives #eltchat > I don't see how busy T can keep up without it.

chrisjw133

11/23/2011

11:17 PM

RT @dalecoulter: Reflective practice ultimately appeals to the intrinsically motivated in this industry. For the rest? #eltchat < bribes?

AnthonyGaughan

11/23/2011

11:17 PM

@jemjemgardner I know exactly what you mean... ;-) #ELTchat

JoshSRound

11/23/2011

11:17 PM

@AnthonyGaughan a good staff room, further training, all help 2 develop refl.practice...How best to establish as a school culture? #ELTchat

eannegrenoble

11/23/2011

11:17 PM

RT @inglishteacher: @dalecoulter is there space for it in busy teachers' lives #eltchat > I don't see how busy T can keep up without it.

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:17 PM

RT @jemjemgardner: @pysproblem81: #eltchat - does structured peer mentoring aid #reflection?  --> THink it's a great idea, but hard to set up in some places.

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:17 PM

RT @AnthonyGaughan: @Marisa_C  Are we moaning about moaning here? ;-) #ELTchat --> Us? Never! But you know what really gets my goat,...?

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:18 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: simply asking yourself 'how did that go?' is a good start #ELTchat > yup - or what can I take for the next class?

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:18 PM

@cerirhiannon bit without the structure you need to be very motivated and/or have some external support. hard 2 do alone i think #eltchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:18 PM

@cerirhiannon  #eltchat good one - but I hate washing up :-D

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:18 PM

@eannegrenoble #eltchat agree. How can a busy teacher keep on top of everything WITHOUT reflection?

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:18 PM

@cerirhiannon  #eltchat or cleaning windows..

eannegrenoble

11/23/2011

11:18 PM

RT @cerirhiannon: I think reflection can take place with or without the structure #eltchat >>fortunately

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:18 PM

@Marisa_C  #eltchat than what we need to foster is curiosity and questioning

JoshSRound

11/23/2011

11:18 PM

Good Q! RT @dalecoulter: Reflective practice ultimately appeals to the intrinsically motivated in this industry. For the rest? #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:18 PM

@cerirhiannon @Agreed, simply asking yourself 'how did that go?' is a good start #ELTchat

harrisonmike

11/23/2011

11:18 PM

@AnthonyGaughan I like this one! #eltchat cc @JoshSRound

JoHart

11/23/2011

11:18 PM

@jemjemgardner @pysproblem81 #ELTchat also structured process doesn't suit some,,,

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:18 PM

I reflect loads when I'm washing up - honest #eltchat

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:18 PM

@JoshSRound Perhaps training sessions on how/where to do it, ideas / advantages etc..  #ELTchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:18 PM

RT @cerirhiannon: I think reflection can take place with or without the structure #eltchat > Agree but needs a Q-ing frame of mind

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:19 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @cerirhiannon did you use enough liquid, was that the right cloth and other such questions  ;-) #ELTchat > LOL u know ...

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:19 PM

@theteacherjames  #eltchat Agree that reflective journals are not everyone's style or preference

AnthonyGaughan

11/23/2011

11:19 PM

@harrisonmike That's basically why we set up two #CELTA centres, actually! #eltchat

JoshSRound

11/23/2011

11:19 PM

@AnthonyGaughan absolutely! Been my approach to recruitment for a while now... #ELTchat

hartle

11/23/2011

11:19 PM

#eltchat hi everyone. Sorry I'm late.

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:19 PM

@eannegrenoble #eltchat How can a busy teacher keep on top of everything WITHOUT reflection? > there's the crux! and the selling point

theteacherjames

11/23/2011

11:19 PM

RT @LeaSobocan: I find the most stimulating reflection takes place in the staffroom-bouncing ideass of each other #ELTChat

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:19 PM

@cerirhiannon did you use enough liquid, was that the right cloth and other such questions  ;-) #ELTchat

theteacherjames

11/23/2011

11:19 PM

@JoHart Agreed, I reflect best by thinking or even talking to myself (but don't tell anyone about that, okay ;-) ) #eltchat

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:19 PM

RT @jemjemgardner: @JoshSRound Perhaps training sessions on how/where to do it, ideas / advantages etc..  #ELTchat

fionamau

11/23/2011

11:20 PM

RT @esolcourses: RT @shaznosel: @LeaSobocan Wish we had a staffroom..this is my global staffroom! Thanks guys! #eltchat

theteacherjames

11/23/2011

11:20 PM

@dalecoulter Exactly my point, I'm more of a thinker, speaker and occasional blogger!  #eltchat

JoHart

11/23/2011

11:20 PM

@jemjemgardner @pysproblem81 #ELTchat . My compulsory rj for qual was written retrospectively in a few days - I reflected just no written

esolcourses

11/23/2011

11:20 PM

RT @shaznosel: @LeaSobocan Wish we had a staffroom..this is my global staffroom! Thanks guys! #eltchat

JoshSRound

11/23/2011

11:20 PM

@cerirhiannon on my bike to and back from work, good thinking time. And ironing shirts too! #eltchat

hartle

11/23/2011

11:20 PM

#eltchat  what's the topic?

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:20 PM

@Marisa_C @theteacherjames No i have never been a fan of them #ELTchat but can see how others might be

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:20 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @JoHart  thinking or even talking to myself  #eltchat > i do that too ;)

esolcourses

11/23/2011

11:20 PM

@dalecoulter agree Dale, though IME sometimes organisations can pressure teachers to develop in a way that suits their requirements #ELTChat

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:20 PM

@LeaSobocan Wish we had a staffroom..this is my global staffroom! Thanks guys! #eltchat

AnthonyGaughan

11/23/2011

11:20 PM

RT @cerirhiannon: @eannegrenoble #eltchat How can a busy teacher keep on top of everything WITHOUT reflection? > there's the crux! and the selling point

AnthonyGaughan

11/23/2011

11:20 PM

@hartle Hi! #eltchat

LeaSobocan

11/23/2011

11:21 PM

@shaznosel Global staffroom like this one extends reflection-"works in my culture, does it in yours?" Gr8 for broadening horizons #ELTChat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:21 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @cerirhiannon Best conversation I get, and we never argue! #eltchat > LOL

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:21 PM

@esolcourses Or not develop but kind of flow into an institutional mould!  #ELTChat

chrisjw133

11/23/2011

11:21 PM

@esolcourses @dalecoulter very true after all "we are selling a school idea, not individual teachers" my director speaking there #eltchat

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:21 PM

@esolcourses True, which takes the 'self-directed' element away in my opinion. Big brother should help - not instruct. #eltchat

theteacherjames

11/23/2011

11:21 PM

@cerirhiannon Best conversation I get, and we never argue! #eltchat

hartle

11/23/2011

11:21 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @hartle reflective practice #ELTchat thnx :-)

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:21 PM

@JoshSRound  yes, and in the shower ;)  (sorry was that too much info!) #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:21 PM

@hartle reflective practice #ELTchat

ElindaGjondedaj

11/23/2011

11:21 PM

RT @cerirhiannon: I think reflection can take place with or without the structure #eltchat agree!!

ElindaGjondedaj

11/23/2011

11:22 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @dalecoulter Exactly my point, I'm more of a thinker, speaker and occasional blogger!  #eltchat

inglishteacher

11/23/2011

11:22 PM

important aspect of reflective practice is sharing ideas, that's why blogging is so great, at least you feel you have a listener #eltchat

hartle

11/23/2011

11:22 PM

#eltchat reflection essential without even writing it down. Just happens

esolcourses

11/23/2011

11:22 PM

@dalecoulter @Marisa_C  agree, on both counts! #ELTChat

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:22 PM

@Shaunwilden  #ELTchat more like..is that clean enough - do I blame the liquid or my muscle power????

JoHart

11/23/2011

11:22 PM

@theteacherjames @cerirhiannon #ELTchat LOL such a relief it isn't just me! Thats why driving works - no-one can hear my convo with self

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:22 PM

RT @dalecoulter: @esolcourses Big brother should help - not instruct. #eltchat > or butt out in fact?

hartle

11/23/2011

11:23 PM

RT @LeaSobocan: @shaznosel Global staffroom like this one extends reflection-"works in my culture, does it in yours?" Gr8 for broadening horizons #ELTChat

eannegrenoble

11/23/2011

11:23 PM

@esolcourses  Can't agree with that one - I knowabout rigid systems (Fr national Ed) You start off by integrating the constraints #ELTChat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:23 PM

RT @dalecoulter: Not writing down  - how can you keep track of development? #eltchat > I think it's possible, continued internal convos

ElindaGjondedaj

11/23/2011

11:23 PM

RT @dalecoulter: Not writing down - no record - how can you keep track of development? #eltchat

hartle

11/23/2011

11:23 PM

#eltchat  if you don't reflect you don't grow, but there is a fine line between awareness and over reflection and then insecurity

esolcourses

11/23/2011

11:23 PM

@cerirhiannon @dalecoulter in an ideal world Big Brother should butt out  - in practice, cutting thru red tape can be difficult #ELTChat

AnthonyGaughan

11/23/2011

11:23 PM

RT @dalecoulter: Not writing down - no record - how can you keep track of development? #eltchat

theteacherjames

11/23/2011

11:23 PM

@JoHart @cerirhiannon We might have to create a support group, Self Talking English Teachers Anonymous! #ELTchat

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:23 PM

RT @LeaSobocan: @shaznosel Global staffroom like this one extends reflection-"works in my culture, does it in yours?" Gr8 for broadening horizons #ELTChat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:23 PM

@inglishteacher Blogging is indeed a great tool for reflection - sense of peer audience puts you thru a reflective cycle  #eltchat

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:23 PM

Not writing down - no record - how can you keep track of development? #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:23 PM

wh@JoHart @theteacherjames  *write* so many reflective blog posts in my car ;)  never make it to the screen- but gr8 reflection :) #eltchat

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:23 PM

@LeaSobocan  #ELTChat that's why we are here baby!

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:24 PM

@dalecoulter  maybe I do more washing up ;)  #eltchat

inglishteacher

11/23/2011

11:24 PM

@Marisa_C  yes it does - should we use tools like blogging in institutions though or do they belong in personal domains? #eltchat

esolcourses

11/23/2011

11:24 PM

@cerirhiannon @dalecoulter @eannegrenoble depends on system you work within, perhaps #ELTChat

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:24 PM

@cerirhiannon @dalecoulter Completely agree Ceri #ELTchat

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:24 PM

RT @cerirhiannon: RT @dalecoulter: #eltchat > I think it's possible, continued internal convos - your memory is better than mine : )

hartle

11/23/2011

11:24 PM

RT @inglishteacher: important aspect of reflective practice is sharing ideas, that's why blogging is so great, at least you feel you have a listener #eltchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:24 PM

@theteacherjames STETA - a new acronum  #ELTchat

JoshSRound

11/23/2011

11:24 PM

@jemjemgardner yes, and an emphasis on personalised learning for teachers, development as growth not a correction technique #ELTchat

chrisjw133

11/23/2011

11:24 PM

@dalecoulter especially if you have a poor memory like me! I HAVE to write things down, reinforce the idea and provides a record #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:24 PM

@dalecoulter Is the record important? I dont think is stopped me developing #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:25 PM

RT @inglishteacher: @Marisa_C ... do blogs belong in personal domains? #eltchat > i think there's a dnager in institutionalisation

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:25 PM

RT @Marisa_C: One thing I would point out - probably unecessary for this #ELTchat PLN tonight - is reflection without knowledge can go round and round

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:25 PM

@cerirhiannon I definitely don't do enough of that #eltchat #angryhousemates

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:25 PM

One thing I would point out - probably unecessary for this #ELTchat PLN tonight - is reflection without knowledge can go round and round

royparmesan

11/23/2011

11:25 PM

There are so many ways to do reflective journal #eltchat you can make it *fit* whatever ur style

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:25 PM

@theteacherjames  #eltchat Don't we all...we need a good' talking to 'at times!

inglishteacher

11/23/2011

11:25 PM

RT @LeaSobocan: Contemplating starting a blog after listening 2 u guys #ELTChat @cerirhiannon

hartle

11/23/2011

11:25 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @dalecoulter Is the record important? I dont think is stopped me developing #ELTchat

JoshSRound

11/23/2011

11:25 PM

@cerirhiannon Lol! #eltchat

reasons4

11/23/2011

11:25 PM

RT @hartle: #eltchat  if you don't reflect you don't grow, but there is a fine line between awareness and over reflection and then insecurity

LeaSobocan

11/23/2011

11:25 PM

Contemplating starting a blog after listening 2 u guys #ELTChat @cerirhiannon

AnthonyGaughan

11/23/2011

11:25 PM

There is a difference between an institution expecting reflection and dictating its method/results - question is: how? #eltchat

hartle

11/23/2011

11:26 PM

#eltchat >I agree that forcing people to reflect is counterproductive

esolcourses

11/23/2011

11:26 PM

@cerirhiannon @dalecoulter I bookmark webinars I've attended, make notes, blog (sometimes) keep an (occasional) reflective journal #ELTChat

chrisjw133

11/23/2011

11:26 PM

@Marisa_C good point! It makes me appriciate my DOS more #eltchat

inglishteacher

11/23/2011

11:26 PM

@cerirhiannon i totally agree, I see blogs being incorporated into college moodle platforms and it puts me off blogging #eltchat

ElindaGjondedaj

11/23/2011

11:26 PM

RT @esolcourses: @cerirhiannon @dalecoulter @eannegrenoble depends on system you work within #ELTChat  it really depends on each personality

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:26 PM

RT @Marisa_C: One thing I would point out - probably unecessary for this #ELTchat PLN tonight - is reflectio… (cont) http://t.co/gwQVMVfs

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:26 PM

@Marisa_C  #ELTchat I guess that's why we are all here..to learn from each other and to reflect further??

reasons4

11/23/2011

11:26 PM

@dalecoulter I never write anything down..... I don't even keep a diary...but I reflect alright as anyone who knows me will testify #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:26 PM

RT @theteacherjames: ...they asked for lesson plans in advance. Better if they wanted them after & asked me how it went. #ELTchat > nice!

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:26 PM

RT @AnthonyGaughan: How?  Good question. Esp when freelance. Time = money that some don't wanna spend! #eltchat

eannegrenoble

11/23/2011

11:26 PM

RT @esolcourses: @cerirhiannon @dalecoulter  but that's where the reflective diary is essential - keeping perpective #ELTChat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:26 PM

Plenty of action and reflection and worry but no solutions available to practitioner teacher #ELTchat

theteacherjames

11/23/2011

11:26 PM

I worked in a school where they asked for lesson plans in advance. Better if they wanted them after & asked me how it went. #ELTchat

JoshSRound

11/23/2011

11:26 PM

RT @AnthonyGaughan: There is a difference between an institution expecting reflection and dictating its method/results - question is: how? #eltchat

hartle

11/23/2011

11:26 PM

RT @Marisa_C: One thing I would point out - probably unecessary for this #ELTchat PLN tonight - is reflection without knowledge can go round and round

JoHart

11/23/2011

11:26 PM

@dalecoulter @AnthonyGaughan #ELTchat Record is in my head! don't need to write to internalise & learn - the "think" process does it for me

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:27 PM

RT @hartle: #eltchat >forcing people to reflect is counterproductive > jbecomes an exercise in saying wht u think ppl want to hear

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:27 PM

RT @esolcourses: @cerirhiannon @dalecoulter I bookmark webinars I've attended, make notes, blog (sometimes) keep an (occasional) reflective journal #ELTChat

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:27 PM

RT @hartle: #eltchat >I agree that forcing people to reflect is counterproductive --> Agree, but setting example and show how cld be useful!

hartle

11/23/2011

11:27 PM

RT @esolcourses: @cerirhiannon @dalecoulter I bookmark webinars I've attended...#ELTChat Wow, impressive :-)

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:27 PM

@Marisa_C Isnt that where twitter and PLNS come in? #ELTchat

mattledding

11/23/2011

11:27 PM

@dalecoulter for the extrinsic motivated: eltchat ; ) #eltchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:28 PM

@jemjemgardner So - getting somewhere here: Modelling reflection is perhaps a good way of encouraging colleagues  #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:28 PM

@Marisa_C Yes i just meant it as an example #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:28 PM

teach - reflect - put reflection into practice - reflect - out reflectin into practice ... #eltchat

inglishteacher

11/23/2011

11:28 PM

and blogs are not just about 'writing' we can reflect through images, music, videos, colours and so on, #eltchat

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:28 PM

RT @AnthonyGaughan: I know that, but try telling most of my colleagues! >>FALSE ECONOMY #eltchat

ElindaGjondedaj

11/23/2011

11:28 PM

RT @shaznosel: @Marisa_C  #ELTchat I guess that's why we are all here..to learn from each other and to reflect further??

JoHart

11/23/2011

11:28 PM

#ELTchat Does any1else find they think on feet & then reflection validates/justifies what they did? For me that consolidates knowledge

mattledding

11/23/2011

11:28 PM

RT @Marisa_C: One thing I would point out - probably unecessary for this #ELTchat PLN tonight - is reflection without knowledge can go round and round

hartle

11/23/2011

11:28 PM

RT @jemjemgardner: RT @hartle: #eltchat >I agree ...--> Agree, but setting example and show how cld be useful! Yes, not the same at all :-)

chrisjw133

11/23/2011

11:28 PM

@jemjemgardner @hartle and suggesting different methods for different learner types #eltchat

AnthonyGaughan

11/23/2011

11:28 PM

RT @jemjemgardner: RT @AnthonyGaughan: How?  Good Q Esp when freelance. Time=money that some don't wanna spend! >>FALSE ECONOMY #eltchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:28 PM

@shaznosel @Shaunwilden  #ELTchat Partly yes - we are learning from each other but we do need more than fragments of knowledge - No?

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:29 PM

RT @cerirhiannon: teach - reflect - put reflection into practice - reflect - out reflectin into practice ... #eltchat

ElindaGjondedaj

11/23/2011

11:29 PM

RT @inglishteacher: and blogs are not just about 'writing' we can reflect through images, music, videos, colours and so on, #eltchat

reasons4

11/23/2011

11:29 PM

@cerirhiannon @hartle agree totally maybe why it doesn't always work on Celta type courses #eltchat

esolcourses

11/23/2011

11:29 PM

@hartle LOL! not really - mostly use my CPD scoop.it to keep track of things these days http://t.co/Dgl4tMD1 #ELTChat

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:29 PM

RT @eannegrenoble: RT @theteacherjames: I wkd in a sch- they askd for lsson plans in advance. Better if they wanted them after & asked me how it went. #ELTchat

ElindaGjondedaj

11/23/2011

11:29 PM

RT @cerirhiannon: teach - reflect - put reflection into practice - reflect - out reflectin into practice ... #eltchat

eannegrenoble

11/23/2011

11:29 PM

RT @theteacherjames: exactly #ELTchat

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:29 PM

Also need to be careful that reflection doesn't become inflection: keep the students in mind #eltchat

eannegrenoble

11/23/2011

11:29 PM

RT @theteacherjames: I wkd in a sch- they askd for lsson plans in advance. Better if they wanted them after & asked me how it went. #ELTchat

hartle

11/23/2011

11:29 PM

RT @JoHart: #ELTchat Does any1else find they think on feet & then reflection validates/justifies what they did? ..Yes

hartle

11/23/2011

11:30 PM

RT @harrisonmike: Night #eltchat enjoy the rest :D

harrisonmike

11/23/2011

11:30 PM

Night #eltchat enjoy the rest :D

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:30 PM

RT @inglishteacher: bloggers are not writers they are designers, they invest in  their own teacher identities through blogging #eltchat

hoprea

11/23/2011

11:30 PM

RT @Marisa_C: One thing I would point out - probably unecessary for this #ELTchat PLN tonight - is reflection without knowledge can go round and round

inglishteacher

11/23/2011

11:30 PM

bloggers are not writers they are designers, they invest in  their own teacher identities through blogging #eltchat

esolcourses

11/23/2011

11:30 PM

@hartle @dalecoulter @cerirhiannon great thing about webinars is that most of them are recorded & you can go back & watch again #ELTChat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:30 PM

@reasons4 It should though - but timeframe does not fit all learning rates in celta trainees #eltchat

hartle

11/23/2011

11:30 PM

#eltchat reflection when blogging gr8t coz people comment and help you too

JoHart

11/23/2011

11:30 PM

@AlexandraGuzik #ELTchat Notes don't work for me (slightly dysgraphic) they just break thought processes

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:30 PM

@reasons4 @cerirhiannon @hartle Agreed and perhaps cos we force them to it in one way #ELTchat

ElindaGjondedaj

11/23/2011

11:30 PM

RT @dalecoulter: Also need to be careful that reflection doesn't become inflection: keep the students in mind #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:30 PM

using blog to reflect 4 me means putting things clearly into words - not really for an audience, for me  #eltchat but shring is motivating

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:30 PM

@JoshSRound  Exactly, being able to offer diff ways to work on CPD, not just "our" way. #ELTchat

e_d_driscoll

11/23/2011

11:30 PM

#eltchat working as a self employed private tutor my reflection largely consists of 'Are they going to keep paying?'

JoshSRound

11/23/2011

11:30 PM

@jemjemgardner @hartle this is the challenge, don't want to force refl.practice, but keen to do more than simply promote.. #ELTchat

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:31 PM

Reflective practice is an umbrella term that includes a lot: what practices does it consist of?#eltchat

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:31 PM

Reflective practice is an umbrella term that includes a lot: what practices does it consist of?#eltchat

hartle

11/23/2011

11:31 PM

#eltchat sometimes I risk smthg in class, reflect then write & colleagues say wht they think...Invaluable

hartle

11/23/2011

11:31 PM

#eltchat sometimes I risk smthg in class, reflect then write & colleagues say wht they think...Invaluable

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:31 PM

invite reflcetive practiotioners to give workshops - takl about their experience - share ideas -t to t - not management to teacher #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:31 PM

RT @jemjemgardner: @JoshSRound Tnk a lot of Ts just need to be shown the benefits, then will start the Refl journey.  #ELTchat

eannegrenoble

11/23/2011

11:31 PM

RT @JoHart: #ELTchat Does any1else find they think on feet & then reflection validates/justifies what they did? For me that consolidates knowledge

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:31 PM

@harrisonmike Nacht!  #eltchat

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:31 PM

@JoshSRound Tnk a lot of Ts just need to be shown the benefits, then will start the Refl journey.  #ELTchat

LeaSobocan

11/23/2011

11:31 PM

@Marisa_C @jemjemgardner I think some of my coll would get me a free trip2looney bin if I tried 2 pull that1 off-freelancers no $$$ #ELTChat

JoHart

11/23/2011

11:31 PM

RT @esolcourses: @hartle @dalecoulter @cerirhiannon great thing about webinars is that most of them are recorded & you can go back & watch again #ELTChat

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:31 PM

@Marisa_C  #ELTchat yes ! share our thoughts,  then later research further on a point mentioned by a colleague..cont learning

esolcourses

11/23/2011

11:32 PM

RT @cerirhiannon: RT @hartle: #eltchat >forcing people to reflect is counterproductive > jbecomes an exercise in saying wht u think ppl want to hear

hartle

11/23/2011

11:32 PM

RT @dalecoulter: @hartle #eltchat me too> I feel safe experimenting & that's how we grow :-)

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:32 PM

@Marisa_C I would say so, think most don't know what/how to do it.  #eltchat

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:32 PM

@Marisa_C I would say so, think most don't know what/how to do it.  #eltchat

walterlasula

11/23/2011

11:32 PM

RT @dalecoulter: Also need to be careful that reflection doesn't become inflection: keep the students in mind #eltchat

walterlasula

11/23/2011

11:32 PM

RT @dalecoulter: Also need to be careful that reflection doesn't become inflection: keep the students in mind #eltchat

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:32 PM

@hartle #eltchat me too> I feel safe experimenting

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:32 PM

@hartle #eltchat me too> I feel safe experimenting

e_d_driscoll

11/23/2011

11:32 PM

#eltchat language learning is a long, cumulative process- how effective is intensive reflection on a lesson by lesson basis anyway?

e_d_driscoll

11/23/2011

11:32 PM

#eltchat language learning is a long, cumulative process- how effective is intensive reflection on a lesson by lesson basis anyway?

walterlasula

11/23/2011

11:32 PM

RT @dalecoulter: Reflective practice is an umbrella term that includes a lot: what practices does it consist of?#eltchat

walterlasula

11/23/2011

11:32 PM

RT @dalecoulter: Reflective practice is an umbrella term that includes a lot: what practices does it consist of?#eltchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:33 PM

Is this a reflective circle? Do you feel sth like #ELTchat helps you reflect?

JoshSRound

11/23/2011

11:33 PM

From a DoS/school perspective, any ideas on a kind of monitoring system? We are trying portfolios this yr but am not convinced #eltchat

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:33 PM

@JoshSRound do you have a mentoring system there already? if it works I think that's one of the best ways to encourage reflection #ELTchat

hartle

11/23/2011

11:33 PM

RT @dalecoulter: @hartle live and learn #eltchat : ) lol

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:33 PM

when It'ing 25-30 contact hrs a wk I kept a log book. wrote quick notes at end of each class used them 2 recall & plan 4 nxt class #eltchat

AnthonyGaughan

11/23/2011

11:33 PM

RT @dalecoulter: Refl pract is umbrella term: includes a lot: what practices does it consist of? > stop-recall-alternate-evaluate? #eltchat

mattledding

11/23/2011

11:33 PM

Battery dead... Looking forward to read all the #eltchat reflections later.

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:33 PM

@hartle live and learn #eltchat : )

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:33 PM

@e_d_driscoll Very! Baby steps and all that!  #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:33 PM

@cerirhiannon good idea, have reflective circles in the same sort of way as reading circles #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:34 PM

@AlexandraGuzik I think asking sts is imp as they often see a lesson completely differently from you #ELTchat

esolcourses

11/23/2011

11:34 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Is this a reflective circle? Do you feel sth like #ELTchat helps you reflect? ] absolutely, yes.

inglishteacher

11/23/2011

11:34 PM

RT @AnthonyGaughan: @JoshSRound I have a nasty suspicion that top-down management of reflection is anathema to it.  Culture (bottom-up) must drive. #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:34 PM

at the mo I'm concentrating on 1 thing - experimenting with that - reflecting on that - learning about other things along the way #eltchat

AnthonyGaughan

11/23/2011

11:34 PM

@JoshSRound I have a nasty suspicion that top-down management of reflection is anathema to it.  Culture (bottom-up) must drive. #eltchat

JoHart

11/23/2011

11:34 PM

@JoshSRound #ELTchat hm! the moment you start monitoring - it feels like coercion - difficult!

esolcourses

11/23/2011

11:34 PM

RT @hartle: RT @JoHart: #ELTchat Does any1else find they think on feet & then reflection validates/justifies what they did? ..Yes

AlexandraGuzik

11/23/2011

11:34 PM

Why not 2 ask what Ss think of lessons? Could it work anyhow? I asked Ss 2 write short twit-like notes - opinion and areas to impr #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:34 PM

@AnthonyGaughan What exactly do you mean by 'alternate' in that cycle? #ELTchat

inglishteacher

11/23/2011

11:34 PM

with all the digital opportunities there has never been a better time to reflect - that's what we are doing now #eltchat

JoshSRound

11/23/2011

11:35 PM

@jemjemgardner Yes, i think sharing your learning with others can start to promote wider refl.practice #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:35 PM

RT @hartle: #eltchat on class blog I have overview of week for stds which is a way for me to reflect with them http://t.co/FWAR5C4s > nice

ElindaGjondedaj

11/23/2011

11:35 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Is this a reflective circle? Do you feel sth like #ELTchat helps you reflect? In some way yes

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:35 PM

RT @AnthonyGaughan: RT @dalecoulter: Refl pract is umbrella term: includes a lot: what practices does it consist of? > stop-recall-alternate-evaluate? #eltchat

inglishteacher

11/23/2011

11:35 PM

RT @hartle: #eltchat on class blog I have overview of week for stds which is a way for me to reflect with them http://t.co/buz8NWrt

JoHart

11/23/2011

11:35 PM

RT @esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: Is this a reflective circle? Do you feel sth like #ELTchat helps you reflect? ] absolutely, yes.

reasons4

11/23/2011

11:35 PM

β€@hartle: RT @JoHart: #ELTchat Does any1else find they think on feet & then reflection validates/justifies what they did? ..Yesβ€ me too

eannegrenoble

11/23/2011

11:35 PM

RT @e_d_driscoll: #eltchat how effective is intensive reflenon a lesson by lesn basis anyway? - where does the "length" come from otherwise

hartle

11/23/2011

11:35 PM

#eltchat on class blog I have overview of week for stds which is a way for me to reflect with them http://t.co/buz8NWrt

theteacherjames

11/23/2011

11:35 PM

RT @cerirhiannon: using blog to reflect 4 me means putting things clearly into words - not really for an audience, for me  #eltchat but shring is motivating

JoshSRound

11/23/2011

11:36 PM

RT @cerirhiannon: invite reflcetive practiotioners to give workshops - takl about their experience - share ideas -t to t - not management to teacher #eltchat

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:36 PM

RT @Marisa_C: So a sharing culture (whether blogging or not) encourages reflection? #ELtchat

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:36 PM

RT @Marisa_C: So a sharing culture (whether blogging or not) encourages reflection? #ELtchat ---> I think so.

hartle

11/23/2011

11:36 PM

RT @cerirhiannon: #eltchat :-)

reasons4

11/23/2011

11:36 PM

@Marisa_C  I think all Celta does it set out the ground rules for good practice but that is off the point #eltchat

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:36 PM

@eannegrenoble track changes, patterns in teaching practices for long term? #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:36 PM

RT @AnthonyGaughan: @JoshSRound  top-down management of reflection is anathema to it.  Culture (bottom-up) must drive. #eltchat > totally!

vickyloras

11/23/2011

11:36 PM

#ELTChat Just joined, sorry - will lurk at first : )

JoshSRound

11/23/2011

11:36 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @cerirhiannon good idea, have reflective circles in the same sort of way as reading circles #ELTchat

eannegrenoble

11/23/2011

11:36 PM

RT @cerirhiannon: when It'ing 25-30 contact hrs a wk I kept a log book. wrote quick notes at end of each class used them 2 recall & plan 4 nxt class #eltchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:36 PM

So a sharing culture (whether blogging or not) encourages reflection? #ELtchat

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:36 PM

@e_d_driscoll  #eltchat sometimes you just know something wasn't right...so you reflect - it gets to you!!!!

theteacherjames

11/23/2011

11:37 PM

RT @cerirhiannon: at the mo I'm concentrating on 1 thing - experimenting with that - reflecting on that - learning about other things along the way #eltchat

TLCnewcastle

11/23/2011

11:37 PM

@CELT_Athens: β€I wish I had known that when I started teachingβ€ ( an #ELTchat summary) http://t.co/oeGN0qzX #ELTchat Nice tips in here thx

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:37 PM

@vickyloras Hello! #ELTChat

chrisjw133

11/23/2011

11:37 PM

#eltchat In my school we teach the same levels on the same pace chart [same week]. Encourages sharing what worked/didn't

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:37 PM

@reasons4 Agree but it does include the elements of reflective practice tho who takes it up a diff Q  #eltchat

inglishteacher

11/23/2011

11:37 PM

RT @Marisa_C: So a sharing culture (whether blogging or not) encourages reflection? #ELtchat

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:37 PM

@Marisa_C  #ELtchat Sharing means you are thinking, considering and evaluating yourself and you just need confirmation..

hartle

11/23/2011

11:37 PM

RT @reasons4: @Marisa_C  I think all Celta...#eltchat Our Celta had 'hot' reflection st8t after TP which is good but cold reflection no

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:37 PM

RT @JoHart: @Marisa_C #ELTchat Yes! Sharing & non-judgemental is essential > oh yes, totally agree - non-judgmental (ofself too)

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:37 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C Yes i think so, if you share you do so on the basis of having evaluated which is relfection #ELTchat

theteacherjames

11/23/2011

11:37 PM

@Marisa_C #ELTchat forces me to reflect (in a good way!) by challenging me & questioning my values, based on my experiences.

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:37 PM

@Marisa_C Yes i think so, if you share you do so on the basis of having evaluated which is relfection #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:37 PM

RT @jemjemgardner: RT @Marisa_C: So a sharing culture (whether blogging or not) encourages reflection? #ELtchat > yes, sharing is imp

JoHart

11/23/2011

11:37 PM

@Marisa_C #ELTchat Yes! Sharing & non-judgemental is essential

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:38 PM

RT @dalecoulter: #eltchat CELTA helps trainees reflect but where does it say "guys - do this in your job - it's not just part of the final mark"

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:38 PM

@royparmesan But what they think about learning might be formed on unsound ideas? #ELTchat

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:38 PM

#eltchat CELTA helps trainees reflect but where does it say "guys - do this in your job - it's not just part of the final mark"

esolcourses

11/23/2011

11:38 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C #ELTchat forces me to reflect (in a good way!) by challenging me & questioning my values, based on my experiences.

e_d_driscoll

11/23/2011

11:38 PM

#eltchat I don't really see the hour as my didactic unit- I tend to evaluate success over a longer period

JoshSRound

11/23/2011

11:38 PM

@sandymillin no, not a structured system, but agree this would help, need to work on that! #eltchat

inglishteacher

11/23/2011

11:38 PM

@Marisa_C  yes nothing better than intercultural differences as a focus of reflection #eltchat

royparmesan

11/23/2011

11:38 PM

How students think abt learning is key to reflective process. Without this why bother #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:38 PM

encouraging team teaching can encourage reflection #eltchat - 1 way management can maybe help?

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:39 PM

RT @AnthonyGaughan: @hartle Why was it like that? Why give tutor FB b4 listening to what trainees had to say? #eltchat --> My Q too!

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:39 PM

RT @JoshSRound: From a DoS/school perspective, any ideas on a kind of monitoring system? We are trying portfolios this yr but am not convinced #eltchat

hartle

11/23/2011

11:39 PM

RT @dalecoulter: #eltchat CELTA helps trainees reflect but where does it say ... This depends on maturity and motivation of trainee

AnthonyGaughan

11/23/2011

11:39 PM

@hartle Why was it like that? Why give tutor FB b4 listening to what trainees had to say? #eltchat

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:39 PM

@jemjemgardner #eltchat they're lucky to have you as a trainer

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:39 PM

OK - we know that sm of u do it while washing up - what is your own best way of reflecting on your current/past practices? #Eltchat

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:39 PM

@e_d_driscoll it all adds up - every little helps as they say #eltchat

OztrkOzge

11/23/2011

11:39 PM

looking 4wrd 2 reading #eltchat reflections later...

theteacherjames

11/23/2011

11:40 PM

RT @cerirhiannon: encouraging team teaching can encourage reflection - 1 way management can maybe help? > worked for me! #eltchat

hartle

11/23/2011

11:40 PM

RT @AnthonyGaughan: @hartle #eltchat No, trainees wrote own reflections, tutor commented. Tht was really useful, but nt l8ter ...

llea_dias

11/23/2011

11:40 PM

#eltchat Hello everyone. I've just arrived. Trying to catch up.

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:40 PM

RT @hartle: RT @dalecoulter: #eltchat Moivation, yes. Maturity? No.

little_miss_glo

11/23/2011

11:40 PM

RT @Marisa_C:  what is your own best way of reflecting on your current/past practices? #Eltchat // through lesson plans, after the lesson

JoHart

11/23/2011

11:41 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C I have an internal conversation all the time and discuss with colleagues like @reasons4 when working with someone #ELTchat

little_miss_glo

11/23/2011

11:41 PM

@Marisa_C #ELTChat tried it with the next group. That way I could see better what worked and why it worked

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:41 PM

RT @dalecoulter: @jemjemgardner And you're capable of relfection too!!  #eltchat

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:41 PM

@theteacherjames @JoshSRound what about when there is no team, new teachers left on their own? #eltchat

AnthonyGaughan

11/23/2011

11:41 PM

@JoshSRound Sometimes a group of people find each other - feel that was the case in some of my best SRs, and becoming case again. #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:41 PM

@Marisa_C I have an internal conversation all the time and discuss with colleagues like @reasons4 when working with someone #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:41 PM

current way - plan, reflect on what might work -post-plan reflect on what did/didn't work - talk to colleagues/blog #eltchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:41 PM

@little_miss_glo If you write up even a quick draft of a lesson then a good doc to annotate with your reflections? #Eltchat

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:41 PM

@AnthonyGaughan @JoshSRound @johart so not monitoring, but encouragement - at least try it for a few weeks, then stop if they want #eltchat

vickyloras

11/23/2011

11:41 PM

RT @royparmesan: How students think abt learning is key to reflective process. Without this why bother #eltchat

hartle

11/23/2011

11:41 PM

RT @dalecoulter: @jemjemgardner Maturity in what way? I still laugh at my 15 year-old's jokes : ) #eltchat Hahaha

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:41 PM

@jemjemgardner Maturity in what way? I still laugh at my 15 year-old's jokes : ) #eltchat

inglishteacher

11/23/2011

11:42 PM

@esolcourses then join #eltchat

eannegrenoble

11/23/2011

11:42 PM

RT @theteacherjames: I worked in a school where they asked for lesson plans in advance. Better if they wanted them after & asked me how it went. #ELTchat

reasons4

11/23/2011

11:42 PM

β€@dalecoulter: Ref pra is an umbrella term that includes a lot: what practices does it consist of?#eltchatβ€ isn't that up to the individual?

hartle

11/23/2011

11:42 PM

RT @dalecoulter: @theteacherjames @JoshSRound what about when there is no team #eltchat They need eltchat :-)

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:42 PM

RT @dalecoulter: @theteacherjames @JoshSRound what about when there is no team, new teachers left on their own? #eltchat > PLN?

esolcourses

11/23/2011

11:42 PM

RT @dalecoulter: @theteacherjames @JoshSRound what about when there is no team, new teachers left on their own? #eltchat ] good point

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:43 PM

@little_miss_glo  #ELTChat In fact if u teach same level/class introduce small experiments and observe effects #ELTchat

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:43 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @dalecoulter hopefully those on their own will look on the web and then find a support network #ELTchat

AnthonyGaughan

11/23/2011

11:43 PM

How early? RT @cerirhiannon: @dalecoulter @theteacherjames @JoshSRound  maybe initial training courses shd introduce ts to PLNs? #eltchat

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:43 PM

@reasons4 completely, was calling for a definition of terminology #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:43 PM

@dalecoulter hopefully those on their own will look on the web and then find a support network #ELTchat

hartle

11/23/2011

11:43 PM

RT @shaznosel: @JoshSRound  #eltchat to reflect - tchrs need to evaluate themselves continually and experiment and comment

hartle

11/23/2011

11:43 PM

RT @cerirhiannon: @dalecoulter @theteacherjames @JoshSRound  maybe  initial training courses shd be introducing ts to PLNs? #eltchat

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:43 PM

@JoshSRound  #eltchat to reflect - tchrs need to evaluate themselves continually and experiment and comment

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:43 PM

@little_miss_glo If you have repeats of the same lesson with dfferent group a great way to do it  #ELTChat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:43 PM

@dalecoulter @theteacherjames @JoshSRound  maybe  initial training courses shd be introducing ts to PLNs? #eltchat

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:43 PM

@chrisjw133 encourages sharing, but not very individual for the students - assumes they all learn at same pace #eltchat

JoshSRound

11/23/2011

11:44 PM

@dalecoulter that is where this kind of 'online team' comes into its own! #eltchat

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:44 PM

Do teachers know that though? not so sure #eltchat@eannegrenoble

little_miss_glo

11/23/2011

11:44 PM

@Marisa_C #ELTChat it makes lesson-planning feel more effective. A lot of teachers I know never look back at old lesson plans!

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:44 PM

RT @cerirhiannon: current way - plan, reflect on what might work -post-plan reflect on what did/didn't work - talk to colleagues/blog #eltchat

JoHart

11/23/2011

11:44 PM

@cerirhiannon @dalecoulter @theteacherjames @JoshSRound @hartle #ELTchat - some do intro nt's future ts to PLN but it doesn't always "stick"

JoshSRound

11/23/2011

11:45 PM

Abs agree! RT @cerirhiannon: @dalecoulter @theteacherjames @JoshSRound maybe initial training courses shd be introducing ts toPLNs? #eltchat

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:45 PM

@dalecoulter  #eltchat  One hopes new teachers will switch on and find ELTchat etc...

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:45 PM

@esolcourses @dalecoulter @theteacherjames @JoshSRound defintely #ELTchat

inglishteacher

11/23/2011

11:45 PM

RT @esolcourses: RT @dalecoulter: @theteacherjames @JoshSRound can't speak for anyone else, but as a freelancer twitter doubles as my staffroom #ELTChat

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:45 PM

RT @cerirhiannon: @dalecoulter @theteacherjames @JoshSRound  maybe  initial training courses shd be introducing ts to PLNs? #eltchat <yes

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:45 PM

RT @esolcourses: RT @dalecoulter: @theteacherjames @JoshSRound as a freelancer twitter doubles as my staffroom #ELTChat > me too

little_miss_glo

11/23/2011

11:45 PM

RT @Marisa_C: @little_miss_glo  In fact if u teach same level/class introduce small experiments and observe effects #ELTchat // exactly!

hartle

11/23/2011

11:45 PM

RT @JoHart: @cerirhiannon @dalecoulter @theteacherjames @JoshSRound @hartle #ELTchat - some do ... Agreed. Trainees have so much new stuff"

esolcourses

11/23/2011

11:45 PM

RT @dalecoulter: @theteacherjames @JoshSRound can't speak for anyone else, but as a freelancer twitter doubles as my staffroom #ELTChat

esolcourses

11/23/2011

11:46 PM

@dalecoulter:@theteacherjames @JoshSRound  although I do have a gr8 offline PLN too, I rarely see them as we don't connect via work #ELTChat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:46 PM

RT @Marisa_C: anyone tried backward planning? Rough plan ahead then reflect & improve? #ELTchat >all the time :)don't plan any other way ;)

hartle

11/23/2011

11:46 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Has anyone tried backward planning? Post lesson planning ...#ELTchat Yes, tends to happen all the time

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:46 PM

@Shaunwilden @dalecoulter that assumes they're technophiles like us; many shy away from the net, except maybe for facebook #ELTchat

inglishteacher

11/23/2011

11:46 PM

@Marisa_C  I think  @jemjemgardner has #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:46 PM

@reasons4 though it does help to be able to reflect over some nice cold czech beers :-) #ELTchat

AlexandraGuzik

11/23/2011

11:46 PM

@Shaunwilden @dalecoulter hopefully those on their own will lfind a support network #ELTchat They find you in Twitter! Fortunately!

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:46 PM

RT @JoshSRound: Abs agree! RT @cerirhiannon: @dalecoulter @theteacherjames @JoshSRound maybe initial training courses shd be introducing ts toPLNs? #eltchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:46 PM

Has anyone tried backward planning? Post lesson planning that is? Rough plan ahead then reflect and improve? #ELTchat

inglishteacher

11/23/2011

11:46 PM

RT @shaznosel: @dalecoulter  #eltchat  One hopes new teachers will switch on and find ELTchat etc...

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:47 PM

@Shaunwilden only if they know that they need to look for it. they might not realise that they can. can be lonely starting to teach #ELTchat

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:47 PM

RT @inglishteacher: @Marisa_C  I think  @jemjemgardner has #eltchat --> She def has! All the time.

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:47 PM

@JoshSRound  #eltchat this way new teachers would not be alone and not be afraid of what their peers think - anon. chat - just like now!

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:47 PM

@sandymillin True but is it not the natural place to look for something? #ELTchat

theteacherjames

11/23/2011

11:47 PM

@sandymillin @esolcourses @Shaunwilden @hartle @JoHart @cerirhiannon @dalecoulter @JoshSRound PLN is my freelancers staffroom too!! #ELTchat

little_miss_glo

11/23/2011

11:48 PM

#ELTchat @Marisa_C  I had to do it as part of a project for a course I took recently. I liked the idea, but my institution didn't. =(

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:48 PM

@sandymillin I know! 5 years as the only full time teacher in a school :-)though i did make friends with other tchrs #ELTchat

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:48 PM

RT @sandymillin: @Shaunwilden can be lonely starting to teach -->True, took me 4 years to find this PLN!!   #ELTchat

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:48 PM

RT @hartle: #eltchat I asked my 19/20 yr old stds today how many use Twitter.... Very few.  Thy don't know how

hartle

11/23/2011

11:48 PM

#eltchat I asked my 19/20 yr old stds today how many use Twitter.... Very few.  Thy don't know how

inglishteacher

11/23/2011

11:48 PM

@jemjemgardner  yes just reading about it all of course today :) #eltchat

esolcourses

11/23/2011

11:48 PM

RT @hartle: RT @Marisa_C: Has anyone tried backward planning? Post lesson planning ...#ELTchat Yes, tends to happen all the time ] same here

theteacherjames

11/23/2011

11:48 PM

@Marisa_C Reverse planning, that's what I've really started to do now. Outline, then fill in the details later. #ELTchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:48 PM

@cerirhiannon Used to do it with CTEFL crse b4 we introdced CELTA - produced more reflective teachers in the long run  #ELTchat

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:48 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Has anyone tried backward planning? Post lesson planning that is? Rough plan ahead then reflect and improve? #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:49 PM

RT @reasons4: @Marisa_C sort of ..my lessons are never tightly planned but then I sit and think why things did or didn't work after #eltchat

hartle

11/23/2011

11:49 PM

RT @AnthonyGaughan: @hartle I thought that last post of yours on digital nativism was very enlightening, BTW #eltchat thnx :-)

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:49 PM

RT @reasons4: @Marisa_C sort of .... my lessons are never tightly planned but then I sit and think y thgs did or didn't work after #ELTchat

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:49 PM

Haven't tried backwards planning yet (too much of a control freak) but trying to hand over to SS more. want to see how others do it #eltchat

JoHart

11/23/2011

11:49 PM

@hartle @shaznosel #ELTchat bet they use FB though? I am starting to use FB with my literacy stdnts

e_d_driscoll

11/23/2011

11:49 PM

#eltchat what's PLN?

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:49 PM

RT @ElindaGjondedaj: #ELTchat I keep all my lesson plans and every now and then I go back and see what objectives have been really achieved

AnthonyGaughan

11/23/2011

11:49 PM

@hartle I thought that last post of yours on digital nativism was very enlightening, BTW #eltchat

inglishteacher

11/23/2011

11:49 PM

RT @sandymillin: @Shaunwilden only if they know that they need to look for it. they might not realise that they can. can be lonely starting to teach #ELTchat

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:49 PM

@inglishteacher ;-) #eltchat

ElindaGjondedaj

11/23/2011

11:49 PM

#ELTchat I keep all my lesson plans and every now and then I go back and see what objectives have been really achieved

JoshSRound

11/23/2011

11:49 PM

@shaznosel yes, perfect environment to share, reflect, grow etc etc ;-)) #ELTchat

LeaSobocan

11/23/2011

11:49 PM

@cerirhiannon @Marisa_C Try 2 backplan as well, but hope my DOS doesn't catch me ;) #ELTChat

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:50 PM

@e_d_driscoll professional/personal learning network. online/offline - the people who/help support you to become a better teacher #eltchat

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:50 PM

@sandymillin Give it a go!! The rewards are plentiful! :-) #eltchat

eannegrenoble

11/23/2011

11:51 PM

RT @sandymillin:  With long term objectives clear - backplanning becomes the only way to go #eltchat

hartle

11/23/2011

11:51 PM

#eltchat sorry everyone, gotta go. Early start 2morrow. Thnx for a fast, well moderated as always chat :-)

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:51 PM

@shaznosel I've read my journals from two years ago. It's a bit different. I guess that means I've grown #eltchat

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:51 PM

@jemjemgardner would like to see examples. i like to have quite a solid plan, though often don't follow it. #eltchat

AnthonyGaughan

11/23/2011

11:51 PM

@e_d_driscoll PLN = Personal/Professional Learning Network (people you follow/are in contact with for this) #eltchat

AlexandraGuzik

11/23/2011

11:52 PM

Shall we have properly planned aims b4 lessons and roughly planned procedure? and then write down the proper way it worked? #eltchat

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:52 PM

RT @dalecoulter: @sandymillin I tried to give one on my blog of a pre and post plan. Will put more up in the near future #eltchat GREAT!!

inglishteacher

11/23/2011

11:52 PM

@shaznosel  so you know you've changed somehow - you've been reflecting :) #eltchat

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:52 PM

@cerirhiannon  #eltchat With you! Sometimes i think why did I do that/not do that...while I m cleaning the windows - reflecting....

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:52 PM

@sandymillin I tried to give one on my blog of a pre and post plan. Will put more up in the near future #eltchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:52 PM

@hartle cheers Susan gotta talk abt iatefl sometime soonish  #eltchat

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:52 PM

@sandymillin http://t.co/t3dK2hMH Bit long winded one, but the only digital one I have.  #eltchat

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:52 PM

@dalecoulter how did you start your journals alone? did you choose to, hear about it, see someone else doing it and copy idea? #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:53 PM

@inglishteacher nice to see you here again :-) #ELTchat

inglishteacher

11/23/2011

11:53 PM

bye bye good night all, great to be back again on #eltchat

ElindaGjondedaj

11/23/2011

11:53 PM

RT @dalecoulter: @shaznosel I've read my journals from two years ago. It's a bit different. I guess that means I've grown #eltchat

theteacherjames

11/23/2011

11:53 PM

@sandymillin @jemjemgardner I've really embraced it recently, I find it very useful, especially as a form of reflection #letgosandy #eltchat

eannegrenoble

11/23/2011

11:54 PM

#ELTchat - I'm off with the early starters 2moro - thanks - will think about it now

royparmesan

11/23/2011

11:54 PM

@sandymillin #eltchat One way to do it: lay out *awareness track* to get students co-planning. Works for me as benefit outweighs risk

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:54 PM

@theteacherjames @dalecoulter @jemjemgardner exam's in 2 weeks, so don't want to start now! #eltchat :)

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:54 PM

@Marisa_C Tried but the students were too excited (adults), is this normal? #eltchat

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:54 PM

@theteacherjames @dalecoulter @jemjemgardner Thanks! Will start doing it after Christmas once I've moved on from my FCE class #eltchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:54 PM

@AlexandraGuzik Sounds good to me  #eltchat

JoHart

11/23/2011

11:54 PM

#ELTchat great convo thq all - have to get ready to go to work - catch ya later :) Sleep well thos of you in night TZs

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:54 PM

@Marisa_C Yes not plesant viewing :-) #ELTchat

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:54 PM

@AlexandraGuzik Make a plan - see how you deviated from it, why? #eltchat

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:54 PM

@inglishteacher  #eltchat totally! Reflecting can sometimes be depressing ..OMG.I used to do that.. or didn't do that..ahggg!!

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:54 PM

@AlexandraGuzik: Sometimes my aim is  to help them get better at whatever comes up in lesson. But an aim is a good start, yes! #eltchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:54 PM

Have you tried videotaping yourself occasionally? #ELTchat anyone?

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:55 PM

@AnthonyGaughan Reflection in action? How do you manage this? #eltchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:55 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C Yes not plesant viewing :-) #ELTchat> who loves themselves on video? :-D

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:55 PM

RT @jemjemgardner: RT @sandymillin: @theteacherjames @dalecoulter YAY X2!!!!  #eltchat

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:55 PM

RT @sandymillin: @Shaunwilden @dalecoulter that assumes they're technophiles like us; many shy away from the net, except maybe for facebook #ELTchat

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:55 PM

@royparmesan what's an 'awareness track'? #eltchat

chrisjw133

11/23/2011

11:55 PM

@Marisa_C Did it on my CELTA. I really ought to look at that video and compare it to now! I Bet it would scare me! #eltchat

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:55 PM

RT @sandymillin: @theteacherjames @dalecoulter YAY!!!!  #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:56 PM

@Marisa_C We have to be careful not to over reflect :-) #ELTchat

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:56 PM

@JoshSRound I review my journal. Create mini action research projects and include them in my teaching. #eltchat

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:56 PM

RT @sandymillin: @theteacherjames @dalecoulter Fair enough. Find exams hard for unpl. As only see them once a week. :-(#eltchat :)

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:56 PM

RT @JoshSRound:  new insightsshd be put into use - to what extent do u measure how much this happens? #eltchat > self-regulation?

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:56 PM

@Marisa_C true but when you first do it and see all the things you cld improve :-) #ELTchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:56 PM

@dalecoulter don't know - our Ss quite cool abt it :-D Then they give advice to the teachers at the end :-D  #eltchat

theteacherjames

11/23/2011

11:56 PM

@Marisa_C Very valuable to be videoed. Happened to me once, & I asked for a copy. I was the only teacher who did #missedopportunity #ELTchat

JoshSRound

11/23/2011

11:56 PM

Reflection leads to new insights...these then shd be put into use - to what extent do u measure how much this happens? #eltchat

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:57 PM

@sandymillin Lucky you, then do it! Wish I could. Let me know how it goes!  #eltchat

RebuffetBroadus

11/23/2011

11:57 PM

RT @royparmesan: How students think abt learning is key to reflective process. Without this why bother #eltchat

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:57 PM

RT @dalecoulter: @JoshSRound I review my journal. Create mini action research projects and include them in my teaching. #eltchat --> Same.

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:57 PM

@jemjemgardner I see mine every day, but didn't know exam well enough to go unplugged. think would be easier next time #eltchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:57 PM

@Shaunwilden I have some v old videos of self - truly scary :-D  #ELTchat

shaznosel

11/23/2011

11:58 PM

@theteacherjames  #ELTchat definitely SS friendly and SS centered - may be Lps are a little teach centered if we r honest?!

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:58 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: Three minutes left of #ELTchat time to reflect on what we've learned over the last hour? --> It would only be fitting.

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:58 PM

@cerirhiannon I was in the wrong queue the day they were handing out short/medium/long term memory #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11/23/2011

11:58 PM

Three minutes left of #ELTchat time to reflect on what we've learned over the last hour?

theteacherjames

11/23/2011

11:58 PM

@jemjemgardner @sandymillin @dalecoulter Looking forward to reading about it on one of your many blogs Sandy! #eltchat

ElindaGjondedaj

11/23/2011

11:58 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C We have to be careful not to over reflect :-) #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:58 PM

RT @dalecoulter: @JoshSRound Create mini action research projects include them in my teaching. #eltchat > do sth similar  but in my head ;)

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:59 PM

Which brings us perhaps to the next point - reflection without some idea of means of evaluation? What do you think? #ELtchat

dalecoulter

11/23/2011

11:59 PM

@cerirhiannon I know, I was there too ; ) #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11/23/2011

11:59 PM

@dalecoulter  I was in the wrong queue when they were handing out organisational skills :) #eltchat

jemjemgardner

11/23/2011

11:59 PM

@Marisa_C That's what I though.  #ELTchat

JoHart

11/23/2011

11:59 PM

@theteacherjames @Marisa_C #ELTchat Was videoed many x as Riding Instructor & horse rider - love it - can see clearly what I need to change!

AnthonyGaughan

11/23/2011

11:59 PM

@dalecoulter Hmm, wrote about this on @Harmerj 's blog recently. Catch myself out thinking sometimes & take a mo to let it flow. #eltchat

Marisa_C

11/23/2011

11:59 PM

This is the essence of the experimental practice on DELTA courses - shame it's only one  assignment #ELTchat

sandymillin

11/23/2011

11:00 PM

RT @brad5patterson: Back to the drawing board http://t.co/xnDPvAg9 by @cerirhiannon #eltchat #elt

dalecoulter

11/24/2011

12:00 AM

@AnthonyGaughan Been doing it myself too. It's helped a lot with the idea of control in my classroom: who has it? #eltchat

ElindaGjondedaj

11/24/2011

12:01 AM

RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C  Self-evaluation is part of the reflective process isnt it? Anything more formal would detract from the process? #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11/24/2011

12:01 AM

RT @Marisa_C: reflection without means of evaluation? What do you think? #ELtchat > going back into class & experimenting is evaluation?

Marisa_C

11/24/2011

12:01 AM

How do you evaluate what you do? Learning outcomes? Learner reactions? Learner reflections? Or just your own? #eltchat

shaznosel

11/24/2011

12:01 AM

@Marisa_C  #ELTchat so agree! The best lesson !plus you are not observed - totally for your SS and not to impress the DELTA tutor!

Shaunwilden

11/24/2011

12:01 AM

@Marisa_C  Self-evaluation is part of the reflective process isnt it? Anything more formal would detract from the process? #ELTchat

theteacherjames

11/24/2011

12:01 AM

@JoHart @Marisa_C Horse riding analogy: it's similar, you can observe your behaviour from the outside, see how you move etc. #ELTchat

dalecoulter

11/24/2011

12:01 AM

@Marisa_C Where is the (potential) evaluation from? Is it bottom-up or top-town? #eltchat

JoshSRound

11/24/2011

12:01 AM

RT @Marisa_C: Which brings us perhaps to the next point - reflection without some idea of means of evaluation? What do you think? #ELtchat

AnthonyGaughan

11/24/2011

12:01 AM

@dalecoulter Love that tweet just gone about LPs being essentially teacher centred. #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11/24/2011

12:02 AM

RT @Marisa_C: How do you evaluate what you do?  #eltchat > observing learning outcomes, learner autonomy, group dynamics ...

jemjemgardner

11/24/2011

12:02 AM

@Marisa_C DIscussion, set perimeters before you experiment with which to eval, blog about it  #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11/24/2011

12:02 AM

RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C  Self-evaluation is part of the reflective process isnt it? Anything more formal would detract from the process? #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11/24/2011

12:03 AM

RT @Marisa_C: How do you evaluate what you do? #eltchat > be clear of what yr global aims are measure against them, re-evaluate them

shaznosel

11/24/2011

12:03 AM

@cerirhiannon  #ELtchat  As you experiment you develop and anaylise what you've done -the best self evaluation and then re evaluate!

royparmesan

11/24/2011

12:03 AM

@sandymillin: @royparmesan what's an 'awareness track'? #eltchat < I foreground goals with students to shape learning. Can send u pdf

theteacherjames

11/24/2011

12:03 AM

@shaznosel Depends on the plan, CELTA taught me to plan for what the Ss will be doing. reverse planning more s centered, as you say #ELTchat

jemjemgardner

11/24/2011

12:03 AM

TIme for bed for me! Night all!! And thanks! #eltchat

dalecoulter

11/24/2011

12:03 AM

@AnthonyGaughan which one was it? #eltchat

dalecoulter

11/24/2011

12:03 AM

@Marisa_C evaluating progress or a lesson? #eltchat

AnthonyGaughan

11/24/2011

12:04 AM

@dalecoulter RT @shaznosel:  #ELTchat definitely SS friendly and SS centered - may be Lps are a little teach centered if we r honest?!

Shaunwilden

11/24/2011

12:04 AM

RT @Marisa_C: Sometimes for example it pays to actually sit down & listen to a recording of a class &evaluate or mark the kinds of talk generated #Eltchat

jemjemgardner

11/24/2011

12:04 AM

RT @AnthonyGaughan: @dalecoulter Love that tweet just gone about LPs being essentially teacher centred. #eltchat ---> Me too.

Marisa_C

11/24/2011

12:04 AM

Sometimes for example it pays to actually sit down & listen to a recording of a class &evaluate or mark the kinds of talk generated #Eltchat

AnthonyGaughan

11/24/2011

12:04 AM

@cerirhiannon experimentation without parameters is noodling. That said, evaluation may be intellectual chimera #ELtchat

dalecoulter

11/24/2011

12:05 AM

Ideas for evaluating a lesson http://t.co/8drsLLMy #eltchat if I can just get a cheeky blog mention in : )

Shaunwilden

11/24/2011

12:05 AM

Who'd like to further reflect by writing the summary? #ELTchat

Marisa_C

11/24/2011

12:05 AM

Ahhhh I think people are tired - perhaps we could talk about ways of evaluating on another #ELTchat?

shaznosel

11/24/2011

12:05 AM

@JoHart  #ELTchat hey! FB is no one..could spend a whole lesson reading their fbs - if school allowed it!

sandymillin

11/24/2011

12:05 AM

This week's #infiniteeltideas is 'The Beatles' http://t.co/HTIZiHAt How would you use the image in class? #eltchat #efl #esl #elt

Marisa_C

11/24/2011

12:06 AM

Perhaps we could encourage some blog posts abt evaluating and then come back and talk abt it in a fw weeks? #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11/24/2011

12:06 AM

RT @Marisa_C: Ahhhh I think people are tired - perhaps we could talk about ways of evaluating on another #ELTchat? > yes please!

Shaunwilden

11/24/2011

12:06 AM

RT @dalecoulter: Ideas for evaluating a lesson http://t.co/8drsLLMy #eltchat if I can just get a cheeky blog mention in : )

JoshSRound

11/24/2011

12:07 AM

@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden Thanks everyone, really enjoyed that, plenty to think about on bike to work tmrw ;-)) #ELTchat

AnthonyGaughan

11/24/2011

12:07 AM

RT @Marisa_C: Ahhhh I think people are tired - perhaps we could talk about ways of evaluating on another #ELTchat? > I'm starting 2 ramble..

esolcourses

11/24/2011

12:07 AM

RT @cerirhiannon RT @Marisa_C Ahhhh I think people are tired - perhaps we could talk about ways of evaluating on another #ELTchat? >thirded!

shaznosel

11/24/2011

12:07 AM

@theteacherjames  #ELTchat true but when you are being assessed you tend to try to impress the tutor - no??

ElindaGjondedaj

11/24/2011

12:07 AM

RT @dalecoulter: Ideas for evaluating a lesson http://t.co/8drsLLMy #eltchat if I can just get a cheeky blog mention in : )

theteacherjames

11/24/2011

12:08 AM

@shaznosel Fair point, assessment does change everything, unfortunately. #ELTchat

dalecoulter

11/24/2011

12:08 AM

@JoshSRound have a nice cycle #eltchat

shaznosel

11/24/2011

12:08 AM

RT @esolcourses: RT @cerirhiannon RT @Marisa_C Ahhhh I think people are tired - perhaps we could talk about ways of evaluating on another #ELTchat? >thirded!

Marisa_C

11/24/2011

12:09 AM

@AnthonyGaughan Hey thanks - see you on the next round :-D  #ELTchat

JoshSRound

11/24/2011

12:09 AM

@dalecoulter cheers Dale! #eltchat

sandymillin

11/24/2011

12:09 AM

RT @dalecoulter: Ideas for evaluating a lesson http://t.co/8drsLLMy #eltchat if I can just get a cheeky blog mention in : )

AnthonyGaughan

11/24/2011

12:09 AM

Nightie-night, all!  Props to @Shaunwilden & @Marisa_C ! #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11/24/2011

12:10 AM

RT @LeaSobocan: Thanks to everyone on #ELTChat for great food for thought. Global staffroom FTW! :) > seconded :)

AnthonyGaughan

11/24/2011

12:10 AM

@Marisa_C Hopefully - may even be able to summarize sometime between next week and Christmas (no promises, mind...) #ELTchat

LeaSobocan

11/24/2011

12:10 AM

Thanks to everyone on #ELTChat for great food for thought. Global staffroom FTW! :)

shaznosel

11/24/2011

12:10 AM

@theteacherjames  #ELTchat we go into the class with the right intentions- that's what matters! That's why the DELTA exp.assig is great

reasons4

11/24/2011

12:10 AM

Thanks all ... Late here and Teplice in the morning #eltchat

shaznosel

11/24/2011

12:11 AM

#Eltchat Good night all ..it's been  a long day! Thanks for enlightening it so late in the night!

Shaunwilden

11/24/2011

12:11 AM

@AnthonyGaughan @Marisa_C DOnt make rash promises she'll hold you to it :-) #ELTchat

Marisa_C

11/24/2011

12:11 AM

Thanks to all for giving us such a great #ELtchat tonight - really enjoyed it! Thanks to my fab co-mod @Shaunwilden :-)

Shaunwilden

11/24/2011

12:12 AM

@Marisa_C yes but only good things :-)  #ELTchat

dalecoulter

11/24/2011

12:12 AM

RT @Marisa_C: Thanks to all for giving us such a great #ELtchat tonight - really enjoyed it! Thanks to my fa… (cont) http://t.co/IlKUv205

sandymillin

11/24/2011

12:12 AM

Thanks for really making me think about my reflective practice #eltchat Never feel like I do enough when I'm around you lot!

 

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