username |
time |
status |
Shaunwilden |
12:00 PM |
Welcome everyone to #eltchat - mods today are me, @barbsaka and @Marisa_C |
hoprea |
12:01 PM |
RT @barbsaka: The topic is using Virtual Learning Environments for ELT #eltchat |
barbsaka |
12:01 PM |
Would anyone care to share a definition? What is a VLE? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:01 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Welcome everyone to #eltchat - mods today are @Shaunwilden , @barbsaka @Marisa_C - call on us if you need help |
barbsaka |
12:01 PM |
The topic is using Virtual Learning Environments for ELT #eltchat |
hoprea |
12:01 PM |
@Shaunwilden it's just because today is a holiday here! #eltchat :) either that or we're taking over the world! Hehe |
Shaunwilden |
12:02 PM |
@barbsaka Do people use VLE to mean more than an LMS ;-) #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
12:02 PM |
@barbsaka something like moodle? #ELTchat |
barbsaka |
12:02 PM |
@jobethsteel Welcome! #eltchat |
jobethsteel |
12:02 PM |
hello everyone #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:03 PM |
Learner management system #ELTchat |
barbsaka |
12:03 PM |
@Shaunwilden Perhaps not, but I've heard of Second Life and Open Sim referred to as VLEs, too :) #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:03 PM |
@Raquel_EFL @BrunoELT Yes am looking forward to my trip - recife first than Salvador #ELTchat |
teflgeek |
12:03 PM |
@Shaunwilden LMS? #eltchat |
barbsaka |
12:04 PM |
So, if we're talking about Learning Management Systems (as VLEs) then how many of you use them for teaching? Curious :) #eltchat |
teflgeek |
12:04 PM |
so an LMS is essentially administrative, whereas a VLE is pedagogical? #eltchat |
harrisonmike |
12:05 PM |
Hello teacher buddies! #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:05 PM |
@teflgeek Good distinction - though one thing can do both #ELTchat |
barbsaka |
12:06 PM |
.@BrunoELT Like your definition! "Vles are are social spaces where educational interactions occur" #eltchat |
hoprea |
12:06 PM |
#eltchat Any space that has been set up to foster learning but without the need of the physical presence of the teacher of the learner. |
Shaunwilden |
12:06 PM |
@barbsaka I use them for training teachers and help develop them for students #ELTchat |
teflgeek |
12:06 PM |
@BrunoELT Doesn't a VLE have to be designed for purpose? #eltchat |
PatrickAndrews |
12:07 PM |
@seburnt Like that collocation for Blackboard. Can work but is often clunky #eltchat |
marcego03 |
12:07 PM |
#eltchat Good morning everyone, it seems i missed some tweets |
teflgeek |
12:07 PM |
@seburnt am also using blackboard - but as a student not a teacher. #eltchat |
harrisonmike |
12:07 PM |
. @barbsaka @BrunoELT VLEs aren not massively social tho - e.g. not 'open' to many like other social spaces (this is OK!) #eltchat |
barbsaka |
12:07 PM |
I've heard that people use moodle and (unwillingly) Blackboard. Any others? #eltchat |
yitzha_sarwono |
12:07 PM |
RT @barbsaka: .@BrunoELT Like your definition! "Vles are are social spaces where educational interactions occur" #eltchat |
seburnt |
12:07 PM |
I'm forced to use Blackboard. #eltchat |
jobethsteel |
12:08 PM |
Fronter too. Would English360 count as a VLE? #eltchat |
BCseminars |
12:08 PM |
Have you submitted your application for the ELTons Awards 2012 yet? One month to go! Deadline 2 Dec http://t.co/kS5GS709 #eltchat |
harrisonmike |
12:08 PM |
No choice on moodle here RT @seburnt: I'm forced to use Blackboard. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:08 PM |
@barbsaka there are quite a few, edmondo, fronter #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
12:09 PM |
Do wikis count as VLE ? #ELTchat |
marcego03 |
12:09 PM |
#eltchat I use a lot of internet in my classes, edmodo, my blogs, children get enthusiastic |
PatrickAndrews |
12:09 PM |
@Shaunwilden @barbsaka Have used First Class but that does not seem to be so common now #eltchat |
seburnt |
12:09 PM |
@teflgeek I use it for both purposes myself. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
12:10 PM |
@hoprea thanks #ELTchat |
hoprea |
12:10 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: Do wikis count as VLE ? #ELTchat -> In my opinion, it all depends on the way they've been set up. But, yes! :) |
PatrickAndrews |
12:10 PM |
@seburnt @teflgeek Use moodle as teacher and student #eltchat |
seburnt |
12:10 PM |
Blackboard has all the tools you want, but it's like lip service to them--weak functionality, ugly and just lesser quality. #eltchat |
teflgeek |
12:10 PM |
@BrunoELT I meant the difference between using a system designed for educational use as opposed to creating a facebook group #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:11 PM |
@hoprea @SueAnnan I'd agree - if we take Bruno's def earlier then wikis and blogs def count #ELTchat |
harrisonmike |
12:11 PM |
Educational wikis - why not? |
harrisonmike |
12:11 PM |
Educational wikis - why not? RT @SueAnnan: Do wikis count as VLE ? #ELTchat |
hoprea |
12:12 PM |
#eltchat VLEs can vary from very simple to complex ones. But as long as there's learning and teaching taking place, I think it's VLE. |
teflgeek |
12:12 PM |
@BrunoELT am experimenting with facebook groups this year. finding it difficult. #eltchat |
PatrickAndrews |
12:12 PM |
@harrisonmike @BrunoELT Think Elluminate and Adobe connect have great potential #eltchat |
harrisonmike |
12:12 PM |
Are those better defined as virtual classrooms? RT @BrunoELT: [...] There's also Elluminate, Alado Net, WizIq... #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:13 PM |
@PatrickAndrews @harrisonmike @BrunoELT Though of course these are very different to BB./ moodle etc #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
12:13 PM |
How are people using them to teach? In the classroom? #ELTchat |
teflgeek |
12:14 PM |
@PatrickAndrews looked at NING, got put off by charges. #eltchat |
barbsaka |
12:14 PM |
I'd like to know, too :) RT @SueAnnan: How are people using them to teach? In the classroom? #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:14 PM |
@SueAnnan Would they really be for IN the classroom? More for an extension of or in place of? #ELTchat |
PatrickAndrews |
12:14 PM |
@Shaunwilden @harrisonmike @BrunoELT Yes #eltchat |
marcego03 |
12:14 PM |
#eltchat @ brunoELT I think that Edmodo is better than facebook groups, give it a go! |
yitzha_sarwono |
12:14 PM |
RT @hoprea: #eltchat VLEs can vary from very simple to complex ones. But as long as there's learning and teaching taking place, I think it's |
PatrickAndrews |
12:14 PM |
@teflgeek @BrunoELT Do you know ning? Might be better than Facebook for educational purposes. #eltchat |
PatrickAndrews |
12:15 PM |
@teflgeek Didn't know they charge now #eltchat |
teflgeek |
12:15 PM |
@BrunoELT how do you use it & what for? #eltchat |
hoprea |
12:15 PM |
#eltchat IMHO, even Skype could become a VLE. Or am I off my rocker here? |
barbsaka |
12:16 PM |
How do you use VLE's as an extension of class, or in place of class? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:16 PM |
Have seen many uses from IELTS practice, simple shared space, some of the best e.g.s I seen are for speaking related courses #ELTchat |
PatrickAndrews |
12:16 PM |
@hoprea Well it is virtual and can be used for learning so why not? However, perhaps not enough on its own #eltchat |
hoprea |
12:17 PM |
#eltchat I believe VLEs can be used both as an extension to the class and as in place of it. How virtual do you want/have to get? |
Shaunwilden |
12:17 PM |
The speaking courses give sts excellent exam task practice, pictures, wikis, quizlEt and recording all thru the VLE #ELTchat |
mollybob |
12:17 PM |
@barbsaka @sueannan not so much for teaching - rather, for learning, as evidence of learning, and places for interaction #ELTchat |
harrisonmike |
12:17 PM |
. @teflgeek @BrunoELT think Facebook gr8 4 sharing &connecting, but not sure learning can take place there in a very organised way #eltchat |
marcego03 |
12:17 PM |
#eltchat I do use skype too, actually my oral exams were taken from the USA |
PatrickAndrews |
12:18 PM |
@harrisonmike @teflgeek @BrunoELT Also perhaps people like to separate social and learning people say this although I am not sure #eltchat |
teflgeek |
12:18 PM |
RT @teflgeek: @harrisonmike @BrunoELT also facebook has security implications for Young learners. #eltchat (forgotten hashtag) |
marcego03 |
12:18 PM |
#eltchat as an extension, not in place of |
yitzha_sarwono |
12:18 PM |
@teflgeek @PatrickAndrews @BrunoELT Used to use ning, but to indonesia, fb is always the 1st choice #eltchat |
harrisonmike |
12:18 PM |
.@hoprea Big VLE, that Internet thingy is ;o) #eltchat |
teflgeek |
12:19 PM |
@BrunoELT which is what I'm struggling with - students are treating it as an extension of their social lives and not a VLE. #eltchat |
hoprea |
12:19 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: .@hoprea Big VLE, that Internet thingy is ;o) #eltchat <- The truth you speak of, master Jedi! :) |
harrisonmike |
12:19 PM |
@BrunoELT Do you not find how it 'selects' its top news and stories in groups etc isn't really conducive to setting something up? #eltchat |
jobethsteel |
12:19 PM |
@barbsaka #eltchat I think people use them on blended and online courses, but I've read it's just as easy to use skype to deliver courses |
Shaunwilden |
12:19 PM |
@marcego03 I think it can in place of - not all sts can make a school building #ELTchat |
michaelegriffin |
12:20 PM |
@harrisonmike think Facebook gr8 4 sharing &connecting, but not sure learning can take place there in a very organised way #eltchat>agree! |
Shaunwilden |
12:20 PM |
@teflgeek @BrunoELT But isnt that a good way to get them in - if they do it socially why not build learning on to it #ELTchat |
marcego03 |
12:20 PM |
#eltchat it has to be in a very controlled way, and better edmodo rather than fb |
NikPeachey |
12:21 PM |
I use http://t.co/iXlGzkgV a lot as my VLE. Can host content easily, also has great comms tools and features . quick to cre8 #ELTchat #elt |
hoprea |
12:21 PM |
#eltchat If we agree that learning is social, FB does offer lots of possibilities. It can't be solely social, though. |
yitzha_sarwono |
12:21 PM |
Me too :-) RT @mollybob: @barbsaka @sueannan not so much for teaching - rather, for learning, #ELTchat |
marcego03 |
12:21 PM |
#eltchat In Argentina it has strong social implications, they use it as relaxing time, so no good for learning |
fceblog |
12:21 PM |
@Shaunwilden In classroom or outside the classroom only, I guess VLE are places where a teacher's presence can be felt. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:21 PM |
@teflgeek :-) #ELTchat |
teflgeek |
12:21 PM |
@Shaunwilden that's what I'm trying to do! #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:22 PM |
RT @NikPeachey: I use http://t.co/tSrAwrvy a lot as my VLE. Can host content easily, also has great comms toolL featureS #ELTchat #elt |
teflgeek |
12:22 PM |
@BrunoELT but in creating a VLE do you not assume some responsibility for them while they're there? Just as in physical space? #eltchat |
PatrickAndrews |
12:22 PM |
@hoprea Think that is right #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:22 PM |
@fceblog 'felt' is an interesting word - so the teacher has to be 'seen' in someway? #ELTchat |
fceblog |
12:23 PM |
Just saying, @NikPeachey always finds very good websties. :-) #eltchat |
hoprea |
12:23 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: A Google Document can be a VLE, no? #eltchat <- It's virtual, and allows for learning, so I think it is a VLE. |
NikPeachey |
12:23 PM |
@hoprea I thinkl learning can be just social and a lot is, but we can make it more efficient by feeding in task and support #ELTchat #elt |
Marisa_C |
12:23 PM |
So a VLE needs to be supported by other tools - wiki, blog, etc? #ELTchat |
bethcagnol |
12:23 PM |
Joining #ELTCHAT from my usual spot (underground metro) |
harrisonmike |
12:23 PM |
A Google Document can be a VLE, no? #eltchat |
hoprea |
12:24 PM |
@NikPeachey It has a social feature built into it, but without proper guidance, affordances and scaffolding, it's just a chat. #eltchat |
PatrickAndrews |
12:24 PM |
@Marisa_C Are these not usually included as part? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:24 PM |
@Marisa_C I wouldn't say they have to be #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
12:24 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: So a VLE needs to be supported by other tools - wiki, blog, etc? #ELTchat |
bethcagnol |
12:24 PM |
#ELTCHAT seems to be about tech. |
fceblog |
12:25 PM |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat Teacher's presence is a key difference between a VLE and a PLE. No wonder FB doesn't qualify for VLE, don't you think? |
SueAnnan |
12:25 PM |
@Shaunwilden maybe not have to, but it seems quite common to add to a basic VLE with other sites #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
12:25 PM |
@PatrickAndrews They should normally but this people who have never used VLEs #eltchat |
hoprea |
12:26 PM |
@fceblog @Shaunwilden I think FB can become a VLE if dealt with appropriately. #eltchat |
marcego03 |
12:26 PM |
#eltchat i insist on edmodo for it has a direct feedback |
bethcagnol |
12:26 PM |
@Shaunwilden @barbsaka Currently using Edmodo in my class of future teachers (of French). They will then use it w/ their sts. #ELTCHAT |
Shaunwilden |
12:26 PM |
@SueAnnan Agreed I was focusing on the have to part - having them is def a good thing #eltchat |
brad5patterson |
12:27 PM |
@teflgeek thanks David. See you're #eltchat in' it up. Hope the new fam is well ;-0 |
Marisa_C |
12:27 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @fceblog Agreed, 'teacher presence' yesterday in a meeting, I feel it is an imp thing for a VLE to succeed #eltchat |
NikPeachey |
12:27 PM |
@Shaunwilden Haven't really tried the conferencing, but think it piggybacks on another system. Worth a trial #ELTchat #elt |
Shaunwilden |
12:27 PM |
@fceblog Agreed, i was discussing 'teacher presence' yesterday in a meeting, I feel it is an imp thing for a VLE to succeed #eltchat |
cybraryman1 |
12:27 PM |
My Facebook page http://t.co/LV6DSlRL Many ways to use it for educational purposes #fb4ed #eltchat |
fceblog |
12:27 PM |
@hoprea That's right. Not only social. The point is purposeful learning as a defining element. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:28 PM |
I really like vyew - has some nice features other VLEs don't - like u can leave class & tools on for as long as u want & can reuse #eltchat |
fceblog |
12:28 PM |
@marcego03 In Argentina, Twitter has been mentioned in the newspapers so much forentertainment, who'd imagine this #eltchat taking place? |
PatrickAndrews |
12:28 PM |
@Shaunwilden @fceblog Yes, teacher/tutor has an important role in moderating. #eltchat |
yitzha_sarwono |
12:28 PM |
Oh wow,me too! Standing in crowded bus! RT @bethcagnol: Joining #ELTCHAT from my usual spot (underground metro) |
NikPeachey |
12:28 PM |
Quick screencast intro to wiggio here if anyone is interested; http://t.co/QP9EsDGY #ELTchat #elt |
Marisa_C |
12:29 PM |
RT @barbsaka: So, a VLE is not so much what you use, but how you use it? #eltchat |
MullerMonica |
12:29 PM |
RT @cybraryman1: My Facebook page http://t.co/LV6DSlRL Many ways to use it for educational purposes #fb4ed #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:29 PM |
@PatrickAndrews @fceblog Not just moderating, coaxing, motivating and even assessing as well :-) #eltchat |
hoprea |
12:29 PM |
RT @barbsaka: So, a VLE is not so much what you use, but how you use it? #eltchat |
marcego03 |
12:29 PM |
#eltchat i didn't believe it could be used like this until Marisa told me!!! |
brad5patterson |
12:29 PM |
RT @fceblog: @marcego03 In Argentina, Twitter has been mentioned in the newspapers so much forentertainment, who'd imagine this #eltchat taking place? |
barbsaka |
12:29 PM |
So, a VLE is not so much what you use, but how you use it? #eltchat |
yorksensei |
12:29 PM |
@PatrickAndrews #eltchat you might not remember me patrick, but you helped me get an A for my dissertation! thanks so much! |
hoprea |
12:30 PM |
#eltchat Add the virtual component to any learning environment and there you go! :) |
teflgeek |
12:30 PM |
@barbsaka true for all education no? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:30 PM |
RT @barbsaka: So, a VLE is not so much what you use, but how you use it? #eltchat |
mattledding |
12:31 PM |
RT @barbsaka: So, a VLE is not so much what you use, but how you use it? #eltchat |
mollybob |
12:31 PM |
@barbsaka a VLE is evidence of interaction that has taken place. the learning focus is on the interaction/behaviour it affords #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
12:31 PM |
@hoprea Very true Henrick - at the mo I am doing that for a lot of my mats - #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:31 PM |
RT @hoprea: #eltchat Add the virtual component to any learning environment and there you go! :) |
barbsaka |
12:31 PM |
@teflgeek Are you suggesting that whether or not education occurs depends on how we use available tools? #eltchat |
marcego03 |
12:31 PM |
#eltchat I try to post educational things in all my tweets for the students who follow me |
PatrickAndrews |
12:31 PM |
@Shaunwilden @fceblog Yes. I would see that as part of the e-moderating role #eltchat |
teflgeek |
12:32 PM |
@barbsaka no, but I'd say that how you use the available tools can affect the degree to which it takes place #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
12:33 PM |
RT @BrunoELT: What does it take for a student to be a sucessful VLEs learner? #eltchat confidence with the medium is important |
Shaunwilden |
12:33 PM |
@BrunoELT Do you think it is different from being a successful learner fullstop? #eltchat |
barbsaka |
12:33 PM |
@teflgeek That makes sense :) #eltchat #eltchat |
marcego03 |
12:33 PM |
#eltchat I think that in Argentina most people don't know all the features of twitter and only use for entertainment |
teflgeek |
12:33 PM |
@BrunoELT engagement in the process. #eltchat |
fceblog |
12:33 PM |
@teflgeek Right.VLE's are not about the tool, but teacher's responsibility in them. @BrunoELT @hoprea who defines appropriate use? #eltchat |
NikPeachey |
12:34 PM |
@BrunoELT Motivation and opportunity #ELTchat #elt |
Shaunwilden |
12:34 PM |
@SueAnnan @BrunoELT Agreed though the teacher should make the medium as easy as possible to use #eltchat |
zxcall |
12:34 PM |
It may come as a surprise that ‘Mr’ and ‘Mrs’ aren’t actually short for mister and missus |
Marisa_C |
12:34 PM |
We use wiziQ @NikPeachey , d o you pay for Wiggio? #ELTchat #elt |
Marisa_C |
12:35 PM |
@hoprea I ussually try to include a training bit in a fun way at the top of a first session #eltchat |
yorksensei |
12:35 PM |
@barbsaka #ELTchat patience, and (as with everything) practice, practice, practice :) |
mattledding |
12:35 PM |
#eltchat I have had mixed experiences using in class backchannels. I have also created VLEs for out of class use that didn´t get used. |
Marisa_C |
12:35 PM |
RT @hoprea: @fceblog @teflgeek @BrunoELT Just as in a physical environment, the teacher should offer some guidance, I suppose. #eltchat |
hoprea |
12:35 PM |
@fceblog @teflgeek @BrunoELT Just as in a physical environment, the teacher should offer some guidance, I suppose. #eltchat |
PatrickAndrews |
12:35 PM |
@SueAnnan @BrunoELT Yes and this is quite a challenge as students vary in ease with VLEs #eltchat |
barbsaka |
12:35 PM |
How do you deal with the learning curve when introducing a new VLE? Intro in class? Practice with it? #eltchat #eltchat |
hoprea |
12:36 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Marisa_C: Class management is very diferent in a VLE - how do you deal with it? #eltchat |
hoprea |
12:36 PM |
@Marisa_C I think that's absolutely essential. If no training is given, students will be at a loss with the tool. :) #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:36 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Class management is very diferent in a VLE - how do you deal with it? #eltchat |
PatrickAndrews |
12:36 PM |
@hoprea @fceblog @teflgeek @BrunoELT Yes and this is a big task. May involve phoning/intensive emails etc #eltchat |
bethcagnol |
12:36 PM |
Now I gotta teach. Catch ya guys tonight! #ELTCHAT |
harrisonmike |
12:36 PM |
.@SueAnnan @BrunoELT Basic ICT skills too, before you muck about with different software (BB, Moodle, etc) #eltchat |
NikPeachey |
12:36 PM |
@Marisa_C No i use wiggio for free. 4 me it has better features than wiziq especially asynchronous #ELTchat #elt |
teflgeek |
12:36 PM |
@barbsaka With VLEs I think my learning curve is steeper than my learners'! #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:36 PM |
@BrunoELT Yes for sure, along with the ability to work on ones own, not need the teacher to hold the hand....#eltchat |
yorksensei |
12:36 PM |
@mattledding #ELTchat I know the feeling :( |
Marisa_C |
12:37 PM |
RT @PatrickAndrews: @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Ground rules can be important #eltchat |
teflgeek |
12:37 PM |
@Marisa_C our classroom "rules" are fairly simple: materials / interruptions / language / respect. The same can apply in VLE. #eltchat |
PatrickAndrews |
12:37 PM |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Ground rules can be important #eltchat |
yitzha_sarwono |
12:37 PM |
RT @barbsaka: How do you deal with the learning curve when introducing a new VLE? Intro in class? Practice with it? #eltchat #eltchat |
hoprea |
12:37 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @hoprea @Marisa_C training needs to be both ways, we cant just expect schools to say to the tcher here is a vle use it #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:37 PM |
@hoprea @Marisa_C training needs to be both ways, we cant just expect schools to say to the tcher here is a vle use it #eltchat |
harrisonmike |
12:38 PM |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Tell them to pass notes (message) each other! #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:38 PM |
RT @teflgeek: @Marisa_C our classroom "rules" are fairly simple: mats / interruptions / lang / respect.Same can apply in VLE. #eltchat |
hoprea |
12:38 PM |
#eltchat Motivation, engagement, ability to work independently... this is important in ALE (Any Learning Environment). |
PatrickAndrews |
12:38 PM |
@Shaunwilden @hoprea @Marisa_C True but schools sometimes assume people can just pick it up #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:38 PM |
@PatrickAndrews @Marisa_C Completely, there needs to be a clear code of conduct #eltchat |
hoprea |
12:39 PM |
@Shaunwilden @PatrickAndrews @Marisa_C And soon a tool that could be a nice addition to the class is dismissed out of hand. #eltchat |
brad5patterson |
12:39 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: RT @BrunoELT: What does it take for a student to be a sucessful VLEs learner? #eltchat confidence with the medium is important |
PatrickAndrews |
12:39 PM |
@teflgeek @Marisa_C Yes and perhaps an even greater need to emphasise learning through trial and error #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:39 PM |
@PatrickAndrews @hoprea @Marisa_C Unf, which leads to poor use, poor tasks, which greats a negative cycle and then vles not used #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:40 PM |
RT @hoprea: @Shaunwilden @PatrickAndrews @Marisa_C....is dismissed out of hand. #eltchat > so true |
yorksensei |
12:40 PM |
@Shaunwilden #ELTchat hence the necessity of practice and a “gently gently” approach to its introduction to students, right? |
mollybob |
12:41 PM |
@barbsaka Use Gilly Salmon's 5 stage model as inspiration -familiar with the tech, and socialisation http://t.co/dSUz49H6 #ELTchat |
PatrickAndrews |
12:41 PM |
@yorksensei @Shaunwilden Yes. Do you know 5 stage model of e-moderating? #eltchat |
yitzha_sarwono |
12:41 PM |
Hear hear RT @hoprea: #eltchat Motivation, engagement, ability to work independently... this is important in ALE (Any Learning Environment). |
SueAnnan |
12:41 PM |
RT @hoprea: #eltchat The teacher needs to know the VLE of his choice quite well as he or she will have to hel… (cont) http://t.co/NqYvPHcm |
hoprea |
12:41 PM |
#eltchat The teacher needs to know the VLE of his choice quite well as he or she will have to help by giving tech support as well. |
PatrickAndrews |
12:41 PM |
@PatrickAndrews @teflgeek @Marisa_C Students often feel mistakes are more permanent in VLE #eltchat |
brad5patterson |
12:41 PM |
RT @hoprea: #eltchat Motivation, engagement, ability to work independently... this is important in ALE (Any Learning Environment). |
harrisonmike |
12:41 PM |
How do you create engagement with VLEs from a teacher perspective - i.e. how to get Ts to embrace the medium?? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:41 PM |
@hoprea but doesn't that happen with any material/approach/method that is used without understanding of principles of pedagogy? #eltchat |
marcego03 |
12:42 PM |
#eltchat #eltchat so first there should be training |
yorksensei |
12:42 PM |
@PatrickAndrews #ELTchat No, I don’t actually. I’ll have a search. |
Shaunwilden |
12:42 PM |
@PatrickAndrews Yes, I run courses on emoderating so it comes up a lot :-) #eltchat |
marcego03 |
12:42 PM |
#eltchat I must admit and tell you that here most teachers don't deal with tech very well |
Marisa_C |
12:42 PM |
@mattledding No experience of using with this age group - can you explain a bit more please? #Eltchat |
teflgeek |
12:42 PM |
@PatrickAndrews really? I would have thought most use online chat the way they speak - they don't connect it with "writing" #eltchat |
hoprea |
12:43 PM |
@Marisa_C Not sure this is a good thing, as using something you don't know how to use is worse than abandoning it, IMHO. #eltchat |
PatrickAndrews |
12:43 PM |
@teflgeek Suppose it depends on context but I have found students reluctant to use discussion boards to expose themselves #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:43 PM |
So planning a lesson needs thought re how to minimise teacher talk #eltchat |
teflgeek |
12:43 PM |
@fceblog if VLEs are just extensions of physical classroom, do we have to? If not, then maybe we should. #eltchat |
hoprea |
12:43 PM |
@Marisa_C Yes, it does. But it's easier to abandon a website than a coursebook if you don't know how to use it.... (cont) #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:43 PM |
@PatrickAndrews @yorksensei http://t.co/b0IdCSbs #eltchat |
PatrickAndrews |
12:44 PM |
@yorksensei Try http://t.co/TvlB9x1I It is quite influential and often cited #eltchat |
teflgeek |
12:44 PM |
@PatrickAndrews interesting - where is this? here in Portugal no such fears! #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:45 PM |
#eltchat I did a talk at iatefl about how the ther role changes in the VLE context - the links in it might be of use http://t.co/A3O04Cfe |
PatrickAndrews |
12:45 PM |
@teflgeek International adult students #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:46 PM |
@SueAnnan Ta :-) #eltchat |
marcego03 |
12:46 PM |
#eltchat #eltchat How can you ask teachers to use a tool with sts when they don't even know how to use it themselves? |
SueAnnan |
12:46 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: #eltchat I did a talk at iatefl >> that was a very good session |
teflgeek |
12:47 PM |
is there a difference between creating a VLE for a class that also meets physically and one that does not? #eltchat |
PatrickAndrews |
12:47 PM |
@marcego03 Sort of depends what you mean by "knowing how to use". Perhaps can experiment with parts of a tool #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:48 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @teflgeek I'd guess there are issues around people knowing each other #eltchat > that's where asynchronous tools may help |
mattledding |
12:48 PM |
@Marisa_C I tried (thanks Nik!) soapbox. mid ss realized they were anon, & pers comment flamewar broke out. Had to shut down. #eltchat |
PatrickAndrews |
12:48 PM |
@teflgeek Would think so - easier if you meet and can demonstrate but perhaps harder to show need #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:48 PM |
@BobK99 12 minutes to catch up :-) #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:48 PM |
@teflgeek I'd guess there are issues around people knowing each other #eltchat |
yitzha_sarwono |
12:48 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: #eltchat I did a talk at iatefl about how the ther role changes in the VLE context - the links in... http://t.co/buFagGIE |
hoprea |
12:48 PM |
#eltchat Knowledge triggers creativity. The more you learn about a tool, the easier it is for you to find different uses for it. |
BobK99 |
12:48 PM |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat Oops - thought it was at 13.00 GMT, so I came an hour later. :-( |
fceblog |
12:48 PM |
@teflgeek I'd like a VLE to go beyond a classroom extension. #eltchat A place for students to explore how they can learn *after* the course. |
yorksensei |
12:48 PM |
@marcego03 #eltchat Indeed. A teacher must have much more than a basic understanding of the tool in order to successfully implement it. |
fceblog |
12:49 PM |
@Marisa_C Haha. True. Less teacher talk guaranteed in a VLE. #eltchat It did affect me! |
marcego03 |
12:49 PM |
#eltchat I was at a seminar which@gscrutongave and two out of 100 people knew about VLE |
OseiasELT |
12:50 PM |
RT @brad5patterson: RT @hoprea: #eltchat Motivation, engagement, ability to work independently... this is important in ALE (Any Learning Environment). |
Marisa_C |
12:50 PM |
@NikPeachey Must try it out - you make it sound quite attractive - link to blog post pls? #ELTchat #elt |
PatrickAndrews |
12:50 PM |
@yorksensei @marcego03 But hard to know all the features of something like Elluminate. Can use key features and gradually develop #eltchat |
yorksensei |
12:51 PM |
@PatrickAndrews #eltchat but still, if you (the teacher) cannot use it, how do you expect students to? |
Shaunwilden |
12:51 PM |
@hoprea Nice to have you hear again :-) #eltchat |
ShiftParadigm |
12:51 PM |
@BobToms100 @Marisa_C - might the design and functions of an eportfolio help foster improved learning and teaching? #eltchat |
hoprea |
12:51 PM |
#eltchat Many thanks for this morning chat! Waking up to such a lively discussion is likely to help me get through the day. Gotta go now. :) |
wiggio |
12:51 PM |
Thanks for sharing this! RT @NikPeachey: Quick screencast intro to wiggio here if anyone is interested; http://t.co/WzUVpXHT #ELTchat #elt |
marcego03 |
12:51 PM |
#eltchat unf in my town teachers are not properly trained |
mattledding |
12:51 PM |
RT @teflgeek: is there a difference between creating a VLE for a class that also meets physically and one that does not? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:52 PM |
@mattledding thanks :-) #eltchat |
fceblog |
12:52 PM |
@PatrickAndrews True. Some tools pose too many new questions. #eltchat @yorksensei @marcego03 It's easier now to explain a tag after FB! |
yorksensei |
12:52 PM |
#eltchat I usually start with a nice n easy tutorial to get students familiar with any technology that I use in the classroom |
Shaunwilden |
12:52 PM |
@marcego03 What does 'properly trained' mean? to use VLEs? #eltchat |
marcego03 |
12:52 PM |
#eltchat that's exactly my point |
OseiasELT |
12:52 PM |
RT @barbsaka: How do you deal with the learning curve when introducing a new VLE? Intro in class? Practice with it? #eltchat #eltchat |
teflgeek |
12:52 PM |
Also thanks to all #eltchat - now late for work.... see you all soon! |
Marisa_C |
12:53 PM |
@ShiftParadigm goof point - we did an #eltchat on e portfolios last week - look out for the summary by @yitzha_sarwono |
PatrickAndrews |
12:53 PM |
@yorksensei. Yesterday was training some teachers in Elluminate and one reluctant to use it because she is not perfect #eltchat |
marcego03 |
12:53 PM |
#eltchat our president gave out free netbooks to teachers and sts, but they don't know how to use them in the classroom |
Marisa_C |
12:53 PM |
RT @Raquel_EFL: @Marisa_C Isn't our #eltchat an example of VLE for teachers? And why are we here? Because w… (cont) http://t.co/8XeufV6N |
yorksensei |
12:54 PM |
@PatrickAndrews #eltchat wihtout a doubt |
mattledding |
12:54 PM |
RT @yorksensei: #eltchat I usually start with a nice n easy tutorial to get students familiar with any technology that I use in the classroom |
PatrickAndrews |
12:54 PM |
@yorksensei So I suppose what I mean is that we can plunge in with imperfect skills. #eltchat |
fceblog |
12:54 PM |
@hoprea Same here. Thank you1 #eltchat |
ShiftParadigm |
12:54 PM |
@Marisa_C -- a question i'm often asked is how might VLEs address the interpersonal issues of students? Thoughts? #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
12:55 PM |
@ShiftParadigm I think I would see that in the broacer framework of social networking amongts Ss - sth should be set up #ELTchat |
fceblog |
12:55 PM |
RT @PatrickAndrews "To plunge in with imperfect skills" -->Nicely said. #eltchat @yorksensei |
ShiftParadigm |
12:55 PM |
@Marisa_C @yitzha_sarwono -- sorry re goof point. VLE is is... #ELTchat |
yorksensei |
12:55 PM |
@PatrickAndrews #eltchat But teachers should have at least a little more knowledge than that which is expected of students I think. |
Shaunwilden |
12:56 PM |
RT @Raquel_EFL: Learning is a networked activity on 3 levels: neuronal, conceptual & social. If its networked, social media becomes a key plataform #eltchat |
NikPeachey |
12:57 PM |
@BrunoELT Yes. the key is 'blending' what you do online with what goes on in the classroom. #ELTchat #elt |
Marisa_C |
12:57 PM |
RT @nsharoff: @barbsaka wonder if Edmodo would be considered a VLE? #eltchat > it is a VLE - no synchronous tools but think of it as one |
PatrickAndrews |
12:57 PM |
@yorksensei Yes, I think so but sometimes adult students might even be able to help. Teaching aims are more imp than technology #eltchat |
marcego03 |
12:57 PM |
#eltchat most teacher who are working with these tools it's 'coz they look into it by themselves |
nsharoff |
12:57 PM |
@barbsaka wonder if Edmodo would be considered a VLE? #eltchat |
fceblog |
12:58 PM |
@yorksensei More knowledge than the student about the tool? Maybe. #eltchat Ability to learn with and in front of them as well, definitely! |
marcego03 |
12:58 PM |
#eltchat I agree Edmodo is a wonderful tool, even with adults. |
mattledding |
12:58 PM |
RT @PatrickAndrews: @yorksensei So I suppose what I mean is that we can plunge in with imperfect skills. #eltchat |
PatrickAndrews |
12:58 PM |
@yorksensei Have you ever had students face to face help with comp problems? I have. Think it is not the end of the world #eltchat |
yorksensei |
12:58 PM |
@PatrickAndrews #eltchat very good point. I hadn’t considered adult classes. |
Shaunwilden |
12:58 PM |
RT @nsharoff: @barbsaka wonder if Edmodo would be considered a VLE? #eltchat Yes i would say it is |
Shaunwilden |
12:59 PM |
@Marisa_C @PatrickAndrews Yes building the idea of community is vital in VLEs though often not seen as so by either tchr or sts #eltchat |
ShiftParadigm |
12:59 PM |
@Marisa_C - VLE nice alternative for students who are socially reserved in a classroom. What about those who are more extroverted? #eltchat |
PatrickAndrews |
12:59 PM |
RT @fceblog: @yorksensei More knowledge than the student about the tool? Maybe. #eltchat Ability to learn with and in front of them as well, definitely! |
Marisa_C |
12:59 PM |
@PatrickAndrews Thinks that all types of group bonding - team building activities need to be included in VLEs too #eltchat |
marcego03 |
1:00 PM |
#eltchat got to go, it was a pleasure to share my first eltchat. Thanks |
PatrickAndrews |
1:00 PM |
@fceblog @yorksensei ...but on the other hand, do not want to appear incompetent #eltchat |
nsharoff |
1:00 PM |
@barbsaka forgot to add #eltchat to my prior tweet of Sakai as a VLE |
PatrickAndrews |
1:00 PM |
@fceblog @yorksensei Like your comment about learning with them. Also our aim is to teach language not technology #eltchat |
silversal |
1:00 PM |
RT @Raquel_EFL: Learning is a networked activity on 3 levels: neuronal, conceptual & social. If its networked, social media becomes a key plataform #eltchat |
mattledding |
1:00 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @PatrickAndrews Thinks that all types of group bonding - team building activities need to be included in VLEs too #eltchat |
PatrickAndrews |
1:01 PM |
@Marisa_C Yes, part of the socialisation stage in emoderating #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
1:01 PM |
One of my favourite topics so thank you all #eltchat don't forget the 2nd chat at 21.00 GMT |
Marisa_C |
1:01 PM |
@marcego03 great to see you participate so actively - see you soon #eltchat |
yorksensei |
1:01 PM |
@marcego03 #eltchat me too :D |
ShiftParadigm |
1:02 PM |
@PatrickAndrews @yorksensei -- does point out need for ready access to tech support if/when virtual things don't work well. #eltchat |
PatrickAndrews |
1:02 PM |
@Shaunwilden Thanks to you and everyone else taking part #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
1:02 PM |
A short screencast on vyew on this blog post http://t.co/UmJj21m7 and a mention of Second Life which we haven;t talked about at all #eltchat |
marcego03 |
1:02 PM |
#eltchat @marisa_c Thank you Marisa, you've been so nice to me |
fceblog |
1:02 PM |
@PatrickAndrews Of course. I just don't want my students to aim high and think me the example. They may do better. #eltchat @yorksensei |
Shaunwilden |
1:02 PM |
@yorksensei @marcego03 Thanks for taking such an active part, see you next time :-) #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
1:03 PM |
@Shaunwilden Do you have any ideas of how we could integrate VLE's & an unplugged approach? ;-) #eltchat #60mins #dontreply |
Marisa_C |
1:03 PM |
RT @NikPeachey: @Marisa_C success with VLE's depends on combination of tools/ integration with classroom practice no mgic bullet #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
1:03 PM |
RT @NikPeachey: @Marisa_C success with VLE's depends on combination of tools and integration with classroom practice no mgic bullet #ELTchat #elt |
NikPeachey |
1:03 PM |
@Marisa_C success with VLE's depends on combination of tools and integration with classroom practice no mgic bullet #ELTchat #elt |
Marisa_C |
1:04 PM |
@theteacherjames Just get them in an VLE and hang out ...:-D (just kidding) #eltchat #60mins #dontreply |
Shaunwilden |
1:04 PM |
@theteacherjames Haha well done - I have used a VLE to plug the unplugged approach #ELTchat |
PatrickAndrews |
1:04 PM |
@fceblog @yorksensei Often students will have skills at higher level than us (eg acting, singing) - we should make use of them #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
1:04 PM |
@NikPeachey but seems like rocket science to those with no training or experience in this - remember myself 2-3 yrs ago :-) #ELTchat #elt |
silversal |
1:04 PM |
RT @NikPeachey: @Marisa_C success with VLE's depends on combination of tools and integration with classroom practice no mgic bullet #ELTchat #elt |
PatrickAndrews |
1:05 PM |
RT @ShiftParadigm: @PatrickAndrews @yorksensei -- does point out need for ready access to tech support if/when virtual things don't work well. #eltchat |
PatrickAndrews |
1:05 PM |
@ShiftParadigm @yorksensei Very good, important point #eltchat |
yorksensei |
1:05 PM |
@PatrickAndrews #eltchat great point. I agree. |
theteacherjames |
1:06 PM |
@Marisa_C Well, I lurked the whole chat & I couldn't let it go by without bringing up @Shaunwilden's favourite subject! #ELTchat |
ShiftParadigm |
1:06 PM |
@PatrickAndrews @fceblog @yorksensei - good pt. Perhaps via learning activities that involve mutual interdependence among students? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
1:06 PM |
Bye al for now and thanks ever so much for joining and sharing your ideas #ELTchat - got to go back to class and give feedback :-D |
Shaunwilden |
1:07 PM |
21.00GMT #eltchat is How to get the most out of your reading? How do you synthesise all the books, journals, blogs...... |
Marisa_C |
1:07 PM |
@theteacherjames well i couldn't let that comment pass me by either - without a litle jab or two #ELTchat |
fceblog |
1:09 PM |
@ShiftParadigm Agreed. If you just need the teacher, why a VLE? If they need each other, the tool makes sense. @PatrickAndrews #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
1:09 PM |
@Marisa_C @theteacherjames Ah let them jab, they could have had a whole chat but they didnt get enough votes ;-) #ELTchat #isdogmedyingout |
NikPeachey |
1:09 PM |
@Marisa_C It'a matter of starting small & easing tech in gradually. Integrate into what U already do not other way round #ELTchat #elt |
tarabenwell |
1:14 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: 21.00GMT #eltchat is How to get the most out of your reading? How do you synthesise all the books, journals, blogs...... |
tarabenwell |
1:16 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C @PatrickAndrews Yes building the idea of community is vital in VLEs though often not seen as so by either tchr or sts #eltchat |
tarabenwell |
1:16 PM |
@Marisa_C So sorry I missed the #ELTChat. Looking forward to the transcript. Hope you're doing well! |
AnaCristinaPrts |
1:17 PM |
RT @NikPeachey: @Marisa_C It'a matter of starting small & easing tech in gradually. Integrate into what U already do not other way round #ELTchat #elt |
chucksandy |
1:17 PM |
My Happy World http://t.co/DpyrlaJl The Happiness Project needs you & your students to share your happy! http://t.co/LlWLZTuo #eltchat #jalt |
AnaCristinaPrts |
1:24 PM |
RT @NikPeachey: @Marisa_C success with VLE's depends on combination of tools and integration with classroom practice no mgic bullet #ELTchat #elt |
Marisa_C |
1:24 PM |
@tarabenwell #ELTChat awww...no worries @Shaunwilden doing summary he is a wiz on vle's :-) |
AnaCristinaPrts |
1:25 PM |
RT @NikPeachey: Quick screencast intro to wiggio here if anyone is interested; http://t.co/QP9EsDGY #ELTchat #elt |
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