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Using Virtual Learning Environments for ELT

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This is the transcript of the #eltchat on using Virtual Learning Environments for ELT from 02.11.2011

 

username time status
Shaunwilden 12:00 PM Welcome everyone to #eltchat - mods today are me, @barbsaka and @Marisa_C
hoprea 12:01 PM RT @barbsaka: The topic is using Virtual Learning Environments for ELT #eltchat
barbsaka 12:01 PM Would anyone care to share a definition? What is a VLE? #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:01 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Welcome everyone to #eltchat - mods today are @Shaunwilden , @barbsaka @Marisa_C - call on us if you need help
barbsaka 12:01 PM The topic is using Virtual Learning Environments for ELT #eltchat
hoprea 12:01 PM @Shaunwilden it's just because today is a holiday here! #eltchat :) either that or we're taking over the world! Hehe
Shaunwilden 12:02 PM @barbsaka Do people use VLE to mean more than an LMS ;-) #ELTchat
SueAnnan 12:02 PM @barbsaka  something like moodle? #ELTchat
barbsaka 12:02 PM @jobethsteel Welcome! #eltchat
jobethsteel 12:02 PM hello everyone #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:03 PM Learner management system #ELTchat
barbsaka 12:03 PM @Shaunwilden Perhaps not, but I've heard of Second Life and Open Sim referred to as VLEs, too :) #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:03 PM @Raquel_EFL @BrunoELT Yes am looking forward to my trip  - recife first than Salvador #ELTchat
teflgeek 12:03 PM @Shaunwilden  LMS?  #eltchat
barbsaka 12:04 PM So, if we're talking about Learning Management Systems (as VLEs) then how many of you use them for teaching? Curious :) #eltchat
teflgeek 12:04 PM so an LMS is essentially administrative, whereas a VLE is pedagogical?  #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:05 PM Hello teacher buddies! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:05 PM @teflgeek Good distinction  - though one thing can do both #ELTchat
barbsaka 12:06 PM .@BrunoELT Like your definition! "Vles are are social spaces where educational interactions occur" #eltchat
hoprea 12:06 PM #eltchat Any space that has been set up to foster learning but without the need of the physical presence of the teacher of the learner.
Shaunwilden 12:06 PM @barbsaka I use them for training teachers and help develop them for students #ELTchat
teflgeek 12:06 PM @BrunoELT  Doesn't a VLE have to be designed for purpose?  #eltchat
PatrickAndrews 12:07 PM @seburnt Like that collocation for Blackboard.  Can work but is often clunky #eltchat
marcego03 12:07 PM #eltchat Good morning everyone, it seems i missed some tweets
teflgeek 12:07 PM @seburnt  am also using blackboard - but as a student not a teacher. #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:07 PM . @barbsaka @BrunoELT VLEs aren not massively social tho - e.g. not 'open' to many like other social spaces (this is OK!) #eltchat
barbsaka 12:07 PM I've heard that people use moodle and (unwillingly) Blackboard. Any others? #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 12:07 PM RT @barbsaka: .@BrunoELT Like your definition! "Vles are are social spaces where educational interactions occur" #eltchat
seburnt 12:07 PM I'm forced to use Blackboard.  #eltchat
jobethsteel 12:08 PM Fronter too.  Would English360 count as a VLE? #eltchat
BCseminars 12:08 PM Have you submitted your application for the ELTons Awards 2012 yet? One month to go! Deadline 2 Dec http://t.co/kS5GS709 #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:08 PM No choice on moodle here RT @seburnt: I'm forced to use Blackboard. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:08 PM @barbsaka there are quite a few, edmondo, fronter  #ELTchat
SueAnnan 12:09 PM Do wikis count as VLE ? #ELTchat
marcego03 12:09 PM #eltchat I use a lot of internet in my classes, edmodo, my blogs, children get enthusiastic
PatrickAndrews 12:09 PM @Shaunwilden @barbsaka Have used First Class but that does not seem to be so common now #eltchat
seburnt 12:09 PM @teflgeek I use it for both purposes myself. #eltchat
SueAnnan 12:10 PM @hoprea thanks #ELTchat
hoprea 12:10 PM RT @SueAnnan: Do wikis count as VLE ? #ELTchat -> In my opinion, it all depends on the way they've been set up. But, yes! :)
PatrickAndrews 12:10 PM @seburnt @teflgeek Use moodle as teacher and student #eltchat
seburnt 12:10 PM Blackboard has all the tools you want, but it's like lip service to them--weak functionality, ugly and just lesser quality.  #eltchat
teflgeek 12:10 PM @BrunoELT  I meant the difference between using a system designed for educational use as opposed to creating a facebook group  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:11 PM @hoprea @SueAnnan I'd agree - if we take Bruno's def earlier then wikis and blogs def count  #ELTchat
harrisonmike 12:11 PM Educational wikis - why not? 
harrisonmike 12:11 PM Educational wikis - why not? RT @SueAnnan: Do wikis count as VLE ? #ELTchat
hoprea 12:12 PM #eltchat VLEs can vary from very simple to complex ones. But as long as there's learning and teaching taking place, I think it's VLE.
teflgeek 12:12 PM @BrunoELT am experimenting with facebook groups this year.   finding it difficult.  #eltchat
PatrickAndrews 12:12 PM @harrisonmike @BrunoELT Think Elluminate and Adobe connect have great potential #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:12 PM Are those better defined as virtual classrooms? RT @BrunoELT: [...] There's also Elluminate, Alado Net, WizIq... #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:13 PM @PatrickAndrews @harrisonmike @BrunoELT Though of course these are very different to  BB./ moodle etc  #ELTchat
SueAnnan 12:13 PM How are people using them to teach? In the classroom? #ELTchat
teflgeek 12:14 PM @PatrickAndrews  looked at NING, got put off by charges.   #eltchat
barbsaka 12:14 PM I'd like to know, too :) RT @SueAnnan: How are people using them to teach? In the classroom? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:14 PM @SueAnnan  Would they really be for IN the classroom? More for an extension of or in place of?  #ELTchat
PatrickAndrews 12:14 PM @Shaunwilden @harrisonmike @BrunoELT Yes #eltchat
marcego03 12:14 PM #eltchat @ brunoELT I think that Edmodo is better than facebook groups, give it a go!
yitzha_sarwono 12:14 PM RT @hoprea: #eltchat VLEs can vary from very simple to complex ones. But as long as there's learning and teaching taking place, I think it's
PatrickAndrews 12:14 PM @teflgeek @BrunoELT Do you know ning?  Might be better than Facebook for educational purposes. #eltchat
PatrickAndrews 12:15 PM @teflgeek Didn't know they charge now #eltchat
teflgeek 12:15 PM @BrunoELT  how do you use it & what for?  #eltchat
hoprea 12:15 PM #eltchat IMHO, even Skype could become a VLE. Or am I off my rocker here?
barbsaka 12:16 PM How do you use VLE's as an extension of class, or in place of class? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:16 PM Have seen many uses from IELTS practice,  simple shared space, some of the best e.g.s I seen are for speaking related courses  #ELTchat
PatrickAndrews 12:16 PM @hoprea Well it is virtual and can be used for learning so why not?  However, perhaps not enough on its own #eltchat
hoprea 12:17 PM #eltchat I believe VLEs can be used both as an extension to the class and as in place of it. How virtual do you want/have to get?
Shaunwilden 12:17 PM The speaking courses give sts excellent exam task practice, pictures, wikis, quizlEt and recording all thru the VLE  #ELTchat
mollybob 12:17 PM @barbsaka @sueannan not so much for teaching - rather, for learning, as evidence of learning, and places for interaction #ELTchat
harrisonmike 12:17 PM . @teflgeek @BrunoELT think Facebook gr8 4 sharing &connecting, but not sure learning can take place there in a very organised way #eltchat
marcego03 12:17 PM #eltchat I do use skype too, actually my oral exams were taken from the USA
PatrickAndrews 12:18 PM @harrisonmike @teflgeek @BrunoELT Also perhaps people like to separate social and learning people say this although I am not  sure #eltchat
teflgeek 12:18 PM RT @teflgeek: @harrisonmike @BrunoELT  also facebook has security implications for Young learners.  #eltchat (forgotten hashtag)
marcego03 12:18 PM #eltchat as an extension, not in place of
yitzha_sarwono 12:18 PM @teflgeek @PatrickAndrews @BrunoELT Used to use ning, but to indonesia, fb is always the 1st choice #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:18 PM .@hoprea Big VLE, that Internet thingy is ;o) #eltchat
teflgeek 12:19 PM @BrunoELT  which is what I'm struggling with - students are treating it as an extension of their social lives and not a VLE.   #eltchat
hoprea 12:19 PM RT @harrisonmike: .@hoprea Big VLE, that Internet thingy is ;o) #eltchat <- The truth you speak of, master Jedi! :)
harrisonmike 12:19 PM @BrunoELT Do you not find how it 'selects' its top news and stories in groups etc isn't really conducive to setting something up? #eltchat
jobethsteel 12:19 PM @barbsaka #eltchat I think people use them on blended and online courses, but I've read it's just as easy to use skype to deliver courses
Shaunwilden 12:19 PM @marcego03 I think it can in place of - not all sts can make a school building  #ELTchat
michaelegriffin 12:20 PM @harrisonmike think Facebook gr8 4 sharing &connecting, but not sure learning can take place there in a very organised way #eltchat>agree!
Shaunwilden 12:20 PM @teflgeek @BrunoELT  But isnt that a good way to get them in  - if they do it socially why not build learning on to it  #ELTchat
marcego03 12:20 PM #eltchat it has to be in a very controlled way, and better  edmodo rather than fb
NikPeachey 12:21 PM I use  http://t.co/iXlGzkgV  a lot as my VLE. Can host content easily, also has great comms tools and features . quick to cre8 #ELTchat #elt
hoprea 12:21 PM #eltchat If we agree that learning is social, FB does offer lots of possibilities. It can't be solely social, though.
yitzha_sarwono 12:21 PM Me too :-) RT @mollybob: @barbsaka @sueannan not so much for teaching - rather, for learning, #ELTchat
marcego03 12:21 PM #eltchat In  Argentina it has strong social implications, they  use it as relaxing time, so no good for learning
fceblog 12:21 PM @Shaunwilden In classroom or outside the classroom only, I guess VLE  are places where a teacher's presence can be felt. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:21 PM @teflgeek  :-)  #ELTchat
teflgeek 12:21 PM @Shaunwilden that's what I'm trying to do!   #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:22 PM RT @NikPeachey: I use  http://t.co/tSrAwrvy  a lot as my VLE. Can host content easily, also has great comms toolL featureS #ELTchat #elt
teflgeek 12:22 PM @BrunoELT  but in creating a VLE  do you not assume some responsibility for them while they're there?  Just as in physical space?  #eltchat
PatrickAndrews 12:22 PM @hoprea Think that is right #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:22 PM @fceblog 'felt' is an interesting word - so the teacher has to be 'seen' in someway?  #ELTchat
fceblog 12:23 PM Just saying, @NikPeachey always finds very good websties. :-) #eltchat
hoprea 12:23 PM RT @harrisonmike: A Google Document can be a VLE, no? #eltchat <- It's virtual, and allows for learning, so I think it is a VLE.
NikPeachey 12:23 PM @hoprea  I thinkl learning can be just social and a lot is, but we can make it more efficient by feeding in task and support   #ELTchat #elt
Marisa_C 12:23 PM So  a VLE needs to be supported by other tools - wiki, blog, etc? #ELTchat
bethcagnol 12:23 PM Joining #ELTCHAT from my usual spot (underground metro)
harrisonmike 12:23 PM A Google Document can be a VLE, no? #eltchat
hoprea 12:24 PM @NikPeachey It has a social feature built into it, but without proper guidance, affordances and scaffolding, it's just a chat. #eltchat
PatrickAndrews 12:24 PM @Marisa_C Are these not usually included as part? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:24 PM @Marisa_C I wouldn't say they have to be  #eltchat
SueAnnan 12:24 PM RT @Marisa_C: So  a VLE needs to be supported by other tools - wiki, blog, etc? #ELTchat
bethcagnol 12:24 PM #ELTCHAT seems to be about tech.
fceblog 12:25 PM @Shaunwilden #eltchat Teacher's presence is a key difference between a VLE and a PLE. No wonder FB doesn't qualify for VLE, don't you think?
SueAnnan 12:25 PM @Shaunwilden  maybe not have to, but it seems quite common to add to a basic VLE with other sites #ELTchat
Marisa_C 12:25 PM @PatrickAndrews They should normally but this people who have never used VLEs #eltchat
hoprea 12:26 PM @fceblog @Shaunwilden I think FB can become a VLE if dealt with appropriately. #eltchat
marcego03 12:26 PM #eltchat i insist on edmodo for it has a direct feedback
bethcagnol 12:26 PM @Shaunwilden @barbsaka Currently using Edmodo in my class of future teachers (of French). They will then use it w/ their sts. #ELTCHAT
Shaunwilden 12:26 PM @SueAnnan  Agreed I was focusing on the have to part - having them is def a good thing #eltchat
brad5patterson 12:27 PM @teflgeek thanks David.  See you're #eltchat in' it up.  Hope the new fam is well ;-0
Marisa_C 12:27 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @fceblog Agreed,  'teacher presence' yesterday in a meeting, I feel it is an imp thing for a VLE to succeed #eltchat
NikPeachey 12:27 PM @Shaunwilden Haven't really tried the conferencing, but think it piggybacks  on another system. Worth a trial  #ELTchat #elt
Shaunwilden 12:27 PM @fceblog Agreed, i was discussing 'teacher presence' yesterday in a meeting, I feel it is an imp thing for a VLE to succeed #eltchat
cybraryman1 12:27 PM My Facebook page http://t.co/LV6DSlRL Many ways to use it for educational purposes #fb4ed #eltchat
fceblog 12:27 PM @hoprea That's right. Not only social. The point is purposeful learning as a defining element. #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:28 PM I really like vyew - has some nice features other VLEs don't - like u can leave class & tools on for as long as u want & can reuse #eltchat
fceblog 12:28 PM @marcego03 In Argentina, Twitter has been mentioned in the newspapers so much forentertainment, who'd imagine this #eltchat taking place?
PatrickAndrews 12:28 PM @Shaunwilden @fceblog Yes, teacher/tutor has an important role in moderating. #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 12:28 PM Oh wow,me too! Standing in crowded bus! RT @bethcagnol: Joining #ELTCHAT from my usual spot (underground metro)
NikPeachey 12:28 PM Quick screencast intro to wiggio here if  anyone is interested; http://t.co/QP9EsDGY  #ELTchat #elt
Marisa_C 12:29 PM RT @barbsaka: So, a VLE is not so much what you use, but how you use it? #eltchat
MullerMonica 12:29 PM RT @cybraryman1: My Facebook page http://t.co/LV6DSlRL Many ways to use it for educational purposes #fb4ed #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:29 PM @PatrickAndrews @fceblog  Not just moderating, coaxing, motivating and even assessing as well :-) #eltchat
hoprea 12:29 PM RT @barbsaka: So, a VLE is not so much what you use, but how you use it? #eltchat
marcego03 12:29 PM #eltchat i didn't believe it could be used like this until Marisa told me!!!
brad5patterson 12:29 PM RT @fceblog: @marcego03 In Argentina, Twitter has been mentioned in the newspapers so much forentertainment, who'd imagine this #eltchat taking place?
barbsaka 12:29 PM So, a VLE is not so much what you use, but how you use it? #eltchat
yorksensei 12:29 PM @PatrickAndrews #eltchat you might not remember me patrick, but you helped me get an A for my dissertation! thanks so much!
hoprea 12:30 PM #eltchat Add the virtual component to any learning environment and there you go! :)
teflgeek 12:30 PM @barbsaka true for all education no?  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:30 PM RT @barbsaka: So, a VLE is not so much what you use, but how you use it? #eltchat
mattledding 12:31 PM RT @barbsaka: So, a VLE is not so much what you use, but how you use it? #eltchat
mollybob 12:31 PM @barbsaka a VLE is evidence of interaction that has taken place. the learning focus is on the interaction/behaviour it affords #ELTchat
Marisa_C 12:31 PM @hoprea Very true Henrick - at the mo I am doing that for a lot of my mats -  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:31 PM RT @hoprea: #eltchat Add the virtual component to any learning environment and there you go! :)
barbsaka 12:31 PM @teflgeek Are you suggesting that whether or not education occurs depends on how we use available tools? #eltchat
marcego03 12:31 PM #eltchat I try to post educational things in all my tweets for the students who follow me
PatrickAndrews 12:31 PM @Shaunwilden @fceblog Yes.  I would see that as part of the e-moderating role #eltchat
teflgeek 12:32 PM @barbsaka no, but I'd say that how you use the available tools can affect the degree to which it takes place  #eltchat
SueAnnan 12:33 PM RT @BrunoELT: What does it take for a student to be a sucessful VLEs learner? #eltchat confidence with the medium is important
Shaunwilden 12:33 PM @BrunoELT Do you think it is different from being a successful learner fullstop? #eltchat
barbsaka 12:33 PM @teflgeek That makes sense :) #eltchat #eltchat
marcego03 12:33 PM #eltchat I think that in Argentina most people don't know all the features of  twitter and only use for entertainment
teflgeek 12:33 PM @BrunoELT engagement in the process.   #eltchat
fceblog 12:33 PM @teflgeek  Right.VLE's are not about the tool, but teacher's responsibility in them. @BrunoELT @hoprea who defines appropriate use? #eltchat
NikPeachey 12:34 PM @BrunoELT Motivation and opportunity  #ELTchat #elt
Shaunwilden 12:34 PM @SueAnnan @BrunoELT Agreed though the teacher should make the medium as easy as possible to use  #eltchat
zxcall 12:34 PM It may come as a surprise that ‘Mr’ and ‘Mrs’ aren’t actually short for mister and missus
Marisa_C 12:34 PM We use wiziQ @NikPeachey , d o you pay for Wiggio?  #ELTchat #elt
Marisa_C 12:35 PM @hoprea I ussually try to include a training bit in a fun way at the top of a first session  #eltchat
yorksensei 12:35 PM @barbsaka #ELTchat patience, and (as with everything) practice, practice, practice :)
mattledding 12:35 PM #eltchat I have had mixed experiences using in class backchannels.  I have also created VLEs for out of class use that didn¬¥t get used.
Marisa_C 12:35 PM RT @hoprea: @fceblog @teflgeek @BrunoELT Just as in a physical environment, the teacher should offer some guidance, I suppose. #eltchat
hoprea 12:35 PM @fceblog @teflgeek @BrunoELT Just as in a physical environment, the teacher should offer some guidance, I suppose. #eltchat
PatrickAndrews 12:35 PM @SueAnnan @BrunoELT Yes and this is quite a challenge as students vary in ease with VLEs #eltchat
barbsaka 12:35 PM How do you deal with the learning curve when introducing a new VLE? Intro in class? Practice with it? #eltchat #eltchat
hoprea 12:36 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Marisa_C: Class management is very diferent in a VLE - how do you deal with it? #eltchat
hoprea 12:36 PM @Marisa_C I think that's absolutely essential. If no training is given, students will be at a loss with the tool. :) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:36 PM RT @Marisa_C: Class management is very diferent in a VLE - how do you deal with it? #eltchat
PatrickAndrews 12:36 PM @hoprea @fceblog @teflgeek @BrunoELT Yes and this is a big task.  May involve phoning/intensive emails etc #eltchat
bethcagnol 12:36 PM Now I gotta teach. Catch ya guys tonight! #ELTCHAT
harrisonmike 12:36 PM .@SueAnnan @BrunoELT Basic ICT skills too, before you muck about with different software  (BB, Moodle, etc) #eltchat
NikPeachey 12:36 PM @Marisa_C  No i use wiggio for free.  4 me it has better features than wiziq especially asynchronous  #ELTchat #elt
teflgeek 12:36 PM @barbsaka With VLEs I think my learning curve is steeper than my learners'!   #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:36 PM @BrunoELT Yes for sure, along with the ability to work on ones own, not need the teacher to hold the hand....#eltchat
yorksensei 12:36 PM @mattledding #ELTchat I know the feeling :(
Marisa_C 12:37 PM RT @PatrickAndrews: @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Ground rules can be important #eltchat
teflgeek 12:37 PM @Marisa_C  our classroom "rules" are fairly simple:  materials / interruptions / language / respect.  The same can apply in VLE.  #eltchat
PatrickAndrews 12:37 PM @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Ground rules can be important #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 12:37 PM RT @barbsaka: How do you deal with the learning curve when introducing a new VLE? Intro in class? Practice with it? #eltchat #eltchat
hoprea 12:37 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @hoprea @Marisa_C  training needs to be both ways, we cant just expect schools to say to the tcher here is a vle use it #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:37 PM @hoprea @Marisa_C  training needs to be both ways, we cant just expect schools to say to the tcher here is a vle use it #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:38 PM @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Tell them to pass notes (message) each other! #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:38 PM RT @teflgeek: @Marisa_C  our classroom "rules" are fairly simple:  mats / interruptions / lang / respect.Same can apply in VLE.  #eltchat
hoprea 12:38 PM #eltchat Motivation, engagement, ability to work independently... this is important in ALE (Any Learning Environment).
PatrickAndrews 12:38 PM @Shaunwilden @hoprea @Marisa_C True but schools sometimes assume people can just pick it up #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:38 PM @PatrickAndrews @Marisa_C  Completely, there needs to be a clear code of conduct #eltchat
hoprea 12:39 PM @Shaunwilden @PatrickAndrews @Marisa_C And soon a tool that could be a nice addition to the class is dismissed out of hand. #eltchat
brad5patterson 12:39 PM RT @SueAnnan: RT @BrunoELT: What does it take for a student to be a sucessful VLEs learner? #eltchat confidence with the medium is important
PatrickAndrews 12:39 PM @teflgeek @Marisa_C Yes and perhaps an even greater need to emphasise learning through trial and error #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:39 PM @PatrickAndrews @hoprea @Marisa_C  Unf, which leads to poor use, poor tasks, which greats a negative cycle and then vles not used #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:40 PM RT @hoprea: @Shaunwilden @PatrickAndrews @Marisa_C....is dismissed out of hand. #eltchat > so true
yorksensei 12:40 PM @Shaunwilden #ELTchat hence the necessity of practice and a “gently gently” approach to its introduction to students, right?
mollybob 12:41 PM @barbsaka Use  Gilly Salmon's 5 stage model  as inspiration -familiar with the tech, and socialisation http://t.co/dSUz49H6 #ELTchat
PatrickAndrews 12:41 PM @yorksensei @Shaunwilden Yes.  Do you know 5 stage model of e-moderating? #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 12:41 PM Hear hear RT @hoprea: #eltchat Motivation, engagement, ability to work independently... this is important in ALE (Any Learning Environment).
SueAnnan 12:41 PM RT @hoprea: #eltchat The teacher needs to know the VLE of his choice quite well as he or she will have to hel… (cont) http://t.co/NqYvPHcm
hoprea 12:41 PM #eltchat The teacher needs to know the VLE of his choice quite well as he or she will have to help by giving tech support as well.
PatrickAndrews 12:41 PM @PatrickAndrews @teflgeek @Marisa_C Students often feel mistakes are more permanent in VLE #eltchat
brad5patterson 12:41 PM RT @hoprea: #eltchat Motivation, engagement, ability to work independently... this is important in ALE (Any Learning Environment).
harrisonmike 12:41 PM How do you create engagement with VLEs from a teacher perspective - i.e. how to get Ts to embrace the medium?? #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:41 PM @hoprea but doesn't that happen with any material/approach/method that is used without understanding of principles of pedagogy? #eltchat
marcego03 12:42 PM #eltchat #eltchat so first there should be training
yorksensei 12:42 PM @PatrickAndrews #ELTchat No, I don’t actually. I’ll have a search.
Shaunwilden 12:42 PM @PatrickAndrews Yes, I run courses on emoderating so it comes up a lot  :-) #eltchat
marcego03 12:42 PM #eltchat I must admit and tell you that here most teachers don't deal with tech very well
Marisa_C 12:42 PM @mattledding No experience of using with this age group - can you explain a bit more please? #Eltchat
teflgeek 12:42 PM @PatrickAndrews really? I would have thought most use online chat the way they speak - they don't connect it with "writing"  #eltchat
hoprea 12:43 PM @Marisa_C Not sure this is a good thing, as using something you don't know how to use is worse than abandoning it, IMHO. #eltchat
PatrickAndrews 12:43 PM @teflgeek Suppose it depends on context but I have found students reluctant to use discussion boards to expose themselves #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:43 PM So planning a lesson needs thought re how to minimise teacher talk #eltchat
teflgeek 12:43 PM @fceblog if VLEs are just extensions of physical classroom, do we have to?  If not, then maybe we should.   #eltchat
hoprea 12:43 PM @Marisa_C Yes, it does. But it's easier to abandon a website than a coursebook if you don't know how to use it.... (cont) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:43 PM @PatrickAndrews @yorksensei http://t.co/b0IdCSbs #eltchat
PatrickAndrews 12:44 PM @yorksensei Try http://t.co/TvlB9x1I  It is quite influential and often cited #eltchat
teflgeek 12:44 PM @PatrickAndrews  interesting - where is this?  here in Portugal no such fears!  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:45 PM #eltchat I did a talk at  iatefl about how the ther role changes in the VLE context - the links in it might be of use http://t.co/A3O04Cfe
PatrickAndrews 12:45 PM @teflgeek International adult students #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:46 PM @SueAnnan Ta :-)  #eltchat
marcego03 12:46 PM #eltchat #eltchat How can you ask teachers to use a tool with sts when they don't even know how to use it themselves?
SueAnnan 12:46 PM RT @Shaunwilden: #eltchat I did a talk at  iatefl >> that was a very good session
teflgeek 12:47 PM is there a difference between creating a VLE for a class that also meets physically and one that does not?  #eltchat
PatrickAndrews 12:47 PM @marcego03 Sort of depends what you mean by "knowing how to use".  Perhaps can experiment with parts of a tool #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:48 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @teflgeek I'd guess there are issues around people knowing each other  #eltchat > that's where asynchronous tools may help
mattledding 12:48 PM @Marisa_C  I tried (thanks Nik!) soapbox. mid ss realized they were anon, & pers comment flamewar broke out. Had to shut down. #eltchat
PatrickAndrews 12:48 PM @teflgeek Would think so - easier if you meet and can demonstrate but perhaps harder to show need #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:48 PM @BobK99 12 minutes to catch up :-)  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:48 PM @teflgeek I'd guess there are issues around people knowing each other  #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 12:48 PM RT @Shaunwilden: #eltchat I did a talk at  iatefl about how the ther role changes in the VLE context - the links in... http://t.co/buFagGIE
hoprea 12:48 PM #eltchat Knowledge triggers creativity. The more you learn about a tool, the easier it is for you to find different uses for it.
BobK99 12:48 PM @Shaunwilden  #eltchat Oops - thought it was at 13.00 GMT, so I came an hour later. :-(
fceblog 12:48 PM @teflgeek I'd like a VLE to go beyond a classroom extension. #eltchat A place for students to explore how they can learn *after* the course.
yorksensei 12:48 PM @marcego03 #eltchat Indeed. A teacher must have much more than a basic understanding of the tool in order to successfully implement it.
fceblog 12:49 PM @Marisa_C Haha. True.  Less teacher talk guaranteed in a VLE. #eltchat It did affect me!
marcego03 12:49 PM #eltchat I was at a seminar which@gscrutongave and two out of 100 people knew about VLE
OseiasELT 12:50 PM RT @brad5patterson: RT @hoprea: #eltchat Motivation, engagement, ability to work independently... this is important in ALE (Any Learning Environment).
Marisa_C 12:50 PM @NikPeachey Must try it out - you make it sound quite attractive - link to blog post pls?  #ELTchat #elt
PatrickAndrews 12:50 PM @yorksensei @marcego03 But hard to know all the features of something like Elluminate.  Can use key features and gradually develop #eltchat
yorksensei 12:51 PM @PatrickAndrews #eltchat but still, if you (the teacher) cannot use it, how do you expect students to?
Shaunwilden 12:51 PM @hoprea Nice to have you hear again :-) #eltchat
ShiftParadigm 12:51 PM @BobToms100 @Marisa_C - might the design and functions of an eportfolio help foster improved learning and teaching? #eltchat
hoprea 12:51 PM #eltchat Many thanks for this morning chat! Waking up to such a lively discussion is likely to help me get through the day. Gotta go now. :)
wiggio 12:51 PM Thanks for sharing this! RT @NikPeachey: Quick screencast intro to wiggio here if  anyone is interested; http://t.co/WzUVpXHT  #ELTchat #elt
marcego03 12:51 PM #eltchat unf in my town teachers are not properly trained
mattledding 12:51 PM RT @teflgeek: is there a difference between creating a VLE for a class that also meets physically and one that does not?  #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:52 PM @mattledding thanks :-)  #eltchat
fceblog 12:52 PM @PatrickAndrews True. Some tools pose too many new questions. #eltchat @yorksensei @marcego03 It's easier now to explain a tag after FB!
yorksensei 12:52 PM #eltchat I usually start with a nice n easy tutorial to get students familiar with any technology that I use in the classroom
Shaunwilden 12:52 PM @marcego03 What does 'properly trained' mean?  to use VLEs? #eltchat
marcego03 12:52 PM #eltchat that's exactly my point
OseiasELT 12:52 PM RT @barbsaka: How do you deal with the learning curve when introducing a new VLE? Intro in class? Practice with it? #eltchat #eltchat
teflgeek 12:52 PM Also thanks to all  #eltchat - now late for work....  see you all soon!
Marisa_C 12:53 PM @ShiftParadigm goof point - we did an #eltchat on e portfolios last week - look out for the summary by @yitzha_sarwono
PatrickAndrews 12:53 PM @yorksensei.  Yesterday was training some teachers in Elluminate and one reluctant to use it because she is not perfect #eltchat
marcego03 12:53 PM #eltchat our president gave out free netbooks to teachers and sts, but they don't know how to use them in the classroom
Marisa_C 12:53 PM RT @Raquel_EFL: @Marisa_C  Isn't our #eltchat an example of VLE for teachers? And why are we here? Because w‚Ķ (cont) http://t.co/8XeufV6N
yorksensei 12:54 PM @PatrickAndrews #eltchat  wihtout a doubt
mattledding 12:54 PM RT @yorksensei: #eltchat I usually start with a nice n easy tutorial to get students familiar with any technology that I use in the classroom
PatrickAndrews 12:54 PM @yorksensei So I suppose what I mean is that we can plunge in with imperfect skills. #eltchat
fceblog 12:54 PM @hoprea Same here. Thank you1 #eltchat
ShiftParadigm 12:54 PM @Marisa_C -- a question i'm often asked is how might VLEs address the interpersonal issues of students? Thoughts? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 12:55 PM @ShiftParadigm I think I would see that in the broacer framework of social networking amongts Ss - sth should be set up #ELTchat
fceblog 12:55 PM RT @PatrickAndrews "To plunge in with imperfect skills" -->Nicely said. #eltchat @yorksensei
ShiftParadigm 12:55 PM @Marisa_C @yitzha_sarwono -- sorry re goof point. VLE is is... #ELTchat
yorksensei 12:55 PM @PatrickAndrews #eltchat But teachers should have at least a little more knowledge than that which is expected of students I think.
Shaunwilden 12:56 PM RT @Raquel_EFL: Learning is a networked activity on 3 levels: neuronal, conceptual & social. If its networked, social media becomes a key plataform #eltchat
NikPeachey 12:57 PM @BrunoELT Yes.  the key is 'blending' what you do online with what goes on in the classroom.  #ELTchat #elt
Marisa_C 12:57 PM RT @nsharoff: @barbsaka wonder if Edmodo would be considered a VLE? #eltchat > it is a VLE - no synchronous tools but think of it as one
PatrickAndrews 12:57 PM @yorksensei Yes, I think so but sometimes adult students might even be able to help.  Teaching aims are more imp than technology #eltchat
marcego03 12:57 PM #eltchat most teacher who are working with these tools it's 'coz they look into it by themselves
nsharoff 12:57 PM @barbsaka wonder if Edmodo would be considered a VLE? #eltchat
fceblog 12:58 PM @yorksensei More knowledge than the student about the tool? Maybe. #eltchat Ability to learn with and in front of them as well, definitely!
marcego03 12:58 PM #eltchat I agree Edmodo is a wonderful tool, even with adults.
mattledding 12:58 PM RT @PatrickAndrews: @yorksensei So I suppose what I mean is that we can plunge in with imperfect skills. #eltchat
PatrickAndrews 12:58 PM @yorksensei Have you ever had students face to face help with comp problems?  I have.  Think it is not the end of the world #eltchat
yorksensei 12:58 PM @PatrickAndrews #eltchat very good point. I hadn’t considered adult classes.
Shaunwilden 12:58 PM RT @nsharoff: @barbsaka wonder if Edmodo would be considered a VLE? #eltchat Yes i would say it is
Shaunwilden 12:59 PM @Marisa_C @PatrickAndrews Yes building the idea of community is vital in VLEs though often not seen as so by either tchr or sts #eltchat
ShiftParadigm 12:59 PM @Marisa_C - VLE nice alternative for students who are socially reserved in a classroom. What about those who are more extroverted? #eltchat
PatrickAndrews 12:59 PM RT @fceblog: @yorksensei More knowledge than the student about the tool? Maybe. #eltchat Ability to learn with and in front of them as well, definitely!
Marisa_C 12:59 PM @PatrickAndrews Thinks that all types of group bonding - team building activities need to be included in VLEs too  #eltchat
marcego03 1:00 PM #eltchat got to go, it was a pleasure to share my first eltchat. Thanks
PatrickAndrews 1:00 PM @fceblog @yorksensei ...but on the other hand, do not want to appear incompetent #eltchat
nsharoff 1:00 PM @barbsaka forgot to add #eltchat to my prior tweet of Sakai as a VLE
PatrickAndrews 1:00 PM @fceblog @yorksensei Like your comment about learning with them.  Also our aim is to teach language not technology #eltchat
silversal 1:00 PM RT @Raquel_EFL: Learning is a networked activity on 3 levels: neuronal, conceptual & social. If its networked, social media becomes a key plataform #eltchat
mattledding 1:00 PM RT @Marisa_C: @PatrickAndrews Thinks that all types of group bonding - team building activities need to be included in VLEs too  #eltchat
PatrickAndrews 1:01 PM @Marisa_C Yes, part of the socialisation stage in emoderating #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1:01 PM One of my favourite topics so thank you all #eltchat don't forget the 2nd chat at 21.00 GMT
Marisa_C 1:01 PM @marcego03 great to see you participate so actively - see you soon  #eltchat
yorksensei 1:01 PM @marcego03 #eltchat me too :D
ShiftParadigm 1:02 PM @PatrickAndrews @yorksensei -- does point out need for ready access to tech support if/when virtual things don't work well. #eltchat
PatrickAndrews 1:02 PM @Shaunwilden Thanks to you and everyone else taking part #eltchat
Marisa_C 1:02 PM A short screencast on vyew on this blog post http://t.co/UmJj21m7 and a mention of Second Life which we haven;t talked about at all #eltchat
marcego03 1:02 PM #eltchat @marisa_c Thank you Marisa, you've been so nice to me
fceblog 1:02 PM @PatrickAndrews Of course. I just don't want my students to aim high and think me the example. They may do better. #eltchat @yorksensei
Shaunwilden 1:02 PM @yorksensei @marcego03  Thanks for taking such an active part, see you next time :-) #eltchat
theteacherjames 1:03 PM @Shaunwilden Do you have any ideas of how we could integrate VLE's & an unplugged approach? ;-) #eltchat #60mins #dontreply
Marisa_C 1:03 PM RT @NikPeachey: @Marisa_C success with VLE's depends on combination of tools/ integration with classroom practice no mgic bullet  #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 1:03 PM RT @NikPeachey: @Marisa_C success with VLE's depends on combination of tools and integration with classroom practice no mgic bullet  #ELTchat #elt
NikPeachey 1:03 PM @Marisa_C success with VLE's depends on combination of tools and integration with classroom practice no mgic bullet  #ELTchat #elt
Marisa_C 1:04 PM @theteacherjames Just get them in an VLE and hang out ...:-D  (just kidding)  #eltchat #60mins #dontreply
Shaunwilden 1:04 PM @theteacherjames Haha well done  - I have used a VLE to plug the unplugged approach #ELTchat
PatrickAndrews 1:04 PM @fceblog @yorksensei Often students will have skills at higher level than us (eg acting, singing) - we should make use of them #eltchat
Marisa_C 1:04 PM @NikPeachey but seems like rocket science to those with no training or experience in this - remember myself 2-3 yrs ago :-)  #ELTchat #elt
silversal 1:04 PM RT @NikPeachey: @Marisa_C success with VLE's depends on combination of tools and integration with classroom practice no mgic bullet  #ELTchat #elt
PatrickAndrews 1:05 PM RT @ShiftParadigm: @PatrickAndrews @yorksensei -- does point out need for ready access to tech support if/when virtual things don't work well. #eltchat
PatrickAndrews 1:05 PM @ShiftParadigm @yorksensei Very good, important point #eltchat
yorksensei 1:05 PM @PatrickAndrews #eltchat great point. I agree.
theteacherjames 1:06 PM @Marisa_C Well, I lurked the whole chat & I couldn't let it go by without bringing up @Shaunwilden's favourite subject! #ELTchat
ShiftParadigm 1:06 PM @PatrickAndrews @fceblog @yorksensei - good pt. Perhaps via learning activities that involve mutual interdependence among students? #eltchat
Marisa_C 1:06 PM Bye al for now and thanks ever so much for joining and sharing your ideas #ELTchat - got to go back to class and give feedback :-D
Shaunwilden 1:07 PM 21.00GMT #eltchat is How to get the most out of your reading? How do you synthesise all the books, journals, blogs......
Marisa_C 1:07 PM @theteacherjames well i couldn't let that comment pass me by either - without a litle jab or two  #ELTchat
fceblog 1:09 PM @ShiftParadigm Agreed. If you just need the teacher, why a VLE? If they need each other, the tool makes sense. @PatrickAndrews #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1:09 PM @Marisa_C @theteacherjames Ah let them jab, they could have had a whole chat but they didnt get enough votes ;-) #ELTchat #isdogmedyingout
NikPeachey 1:09 PM @Marisa_C  It'a matter of starting small & easing tech in gradually. Integrate into what U already do not other way round  #ELTchat #elt
tarabenwell 1:14 PM RT @Shaunwilden: 21.00GMT #eltchat is How to get the most out of your reading? How do you synthesise all the books, journals, blogs......
tarabenwell 1:16 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C @PatrickAndrews Yes building the idea of community is vital in VLEs though often not seen as so by either tchr or sts #eltchat
tarabenwell 1:16 PM @Marisa_C So sorry I missed the #ELTChat. Looking forward to the transcript. Hope you're doing well!
AnaCristinaPrts 1:17 PM RT @NikPeachey: @Marisa_C  It'a matter of starting small & easing tech in gradually. Integrate into what U already do not other way round  #ELTchat #elt
chucksandy 1:17 PM My Happy World http://t.co/DpyrlaJl The Happiness Project needs you & your students to share your happy! http://t.co/LlWLZTuo #eltchat #jalt
AnaCristinaPrts 1:24 PM RT @NikPeachey: @Marisa_C success with VLE's depends on combination of tools and integration with classroom practice no mgic bullet  #ELTchat #elt
Marisa_C 1:24 PM @tarabenwell  #ELTChat  awww...no worries @Shaunwilden doing summary he is a wiz on vle's :-)
AnaCristinaPrts 1:25 PM RT @NikPeachey: Quick screencast intro to wiggio here if  anyone is interested; http://t.co/QP9EsDGY  #ELTchat #elt

 

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