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Detailed paper-based lesson planning:
 pros and cons 
- why do don’t we do detailed plans (redirected from Detailed paper-based lesson planning: pros and cons - why do don���t we do detailed plans)

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This is the transcript of the 12 BST #eltchat on Detailed paper-based lesson planning:
 pros and cons
- why do/don’t we do detailed plans
- why do schools ask teachers to do them?

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barbsaka 12:00 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Welcome to the 1st  #eltchat  on Detailed paper-based lesson planning. The pros and cons...
Shaunwilden 12:00 PM Welcome to the 1st  #eltchat  on Detailed paper-based lesson planning. The pros and cons- why do/don’t we do detailed plans.....
Shaunwilden 12:01 PM @nickkiley Me too Nick #eltchat
rliberni 12:01 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Welcome to the 1st  #eltchat  on Detailed paper-based lesson planning. The pros and cons- why do/don’t we do detailed plans.....
TyKendall 12:01 PM #eltchat well, what is meant by "detailed"?
teflerinha 12:01 PM Hi everyone. #eltchat
nickkiley 12:01 PM #eltchat Hello all. Well, personally, I use lesson plans to get my thoughts in order pre-lesson, but only refer to it occasionally during
barbsaka 12:01 PM @escocesa_madrid Hi! #eltchat
escocesa_madrid 12:01 PM #eltchat Hi everyone!
naomishema 12:02 PM #eltchat Detaile probably means with full objectives, times, full description of activities and what to do if there is time left
escocesa_madrid 12:02 PM I found that as I get more experienced my plans get shorter and shorter. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:02 PM @TyKendall I presumed it refered to the sort of plans ur expected to produce on TT courses #eltchat
michelleworgan 12:03 PM Does anyone think those Celta type plans are necessary/useful? #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 12:03 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Welcome to the 1st  #eltchat  on Detailed paper-based lesson planning. The pros and cons- why do/don’t we do detailed plans.....
Shaunwilden 12:03 PM Oh by the way the mods are me, @rliberni and @barbsaka should you need anything #eltchat
barbsaka 12:03 PM RT @naomishema: #eltchat Detaile probably means with full objectives, times, full description of activities + what to do if time is left
TyKendall 12:03 PM #eltchat on my TT course a lesson plan was typically 3 A4 pages-ish, ive seen 10 page plans on PGCE courses! too detailed!
butwait 12:03 PM Up & @ 'em, Tweeple! There's a cool #eltchat on the pros & cons of detailed, paper-based lesson planning happening right now... jump on in!
theteacherjames 12:04 PM @michelleworgan I think  those CELTA plans were useful as a learning tool, but I certainly don't do them now! #eltchat
teflerinha 12:04 PM @michelleworgan  Useful to help with the process of working it all out I think. Not a model for daily teaching #eltchat
barbsaka 12:04 PM @OUPELTGlobal Yes, written lesson plans #eltchat
escocesa_madrid 12:04 PM @teflerinha I found that as a new teacher I needed to make plans.  Now less so. #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:04 PM Hi everyone. Sorry I'm late. Written lesson plans, right? #eltchat
michelleworgan 12:04 PM RT @teflerinha: I think planning is gd, having 2 write it all dn ovr sevrl pages is a waste of time- EXCEPT if being observed or if new 2 teaching #eltchat
TyKendall 12:04 PM #eltchat @escocesa_madrid  i know, i almost fainted, it was like a transcript, not a plan!
yitzha_sarwono 12:04 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Oh by the way the mods are me, @rliberni and @barbsaka should you need anything #eltchat
RGMontgomery 12:04 PM Hi. Good topic. When I have taught a lesson before, I need far less in my lesson plans. #eltchat
teflerinha 12:04 PM I think planning is gd, having 2 write it all dn ovr sevrl pages is a waste of time- EXCEPT if being observed or if new 2 teaching #eltchat
escocesa_madrid 12:04 PM @TyKendall Omg, that's a long plan. #eltchat
rliberni 12:04 PM OOPs tweet went into black hole #eltchat will retrieve my pearls
yitzha_sarwono 12:05 PM I think well planned class as in lesson plan is good,means you're really prepared & I think new teachers should do it to help them #eltchat
escocesa_madrid 12:05 PM @TyKendall Scripting instructions can be beneficial, but the danger is it gets too unnatural. #eltchat
barbsaka 12:05 PM Me, either RT @TyKendall: #eltchat i wouldn't walk into a class without some kind of lesson plan
RGMontgomery 12:05 PM Does anyone ever look at another teacher's plans? What about when you are collaborating? Big push at my school. #eltchat
EnglishOutThere 12:05 PM Just started..English Out There for Teachers - Your questions answered (early)  http://t.co/o8Z83e5C #elt #esl #tefl #tesol #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:05 PM @theteacherjames @michelleworgan It would be almost imp to do them in a FT job #eltchat
michelleworgan 12:05 PM @teflerinha I agree, useful for yourself to think through lessons but not necessarily on paper #eltchat
TyKendall 12:05 PM #eltchat i wouldn't walk into a class without some kind of lesson plan
cybraryman1 12:05 PM “He who fails to plan, plans to fail†My Lesson Plans page: http://t.co/btcmfGr8 #ELTchat #ntchat #elemchat
nickkiley 12:05 PM #eltchat We've had some soul-searching about whether asking for plans for obs suggests teacher should be sticking to the plan rigidly
barbsaka 12:06 PM @naomishema If teachers repeat classes, then lesson plans can become an archive #eltchat
RGMontgomery 12:06 PM Sharing lesson plans? RT @nickkiley: @RGMontgomery  #eltchat Useful - we're trying to encourage collaboration on new books
escocesa_madrid 12:06 PM @naomishema Absolutely agree.  At my school there is no paid time for lesson planning, yet we're expected to do it. #eltchat
teflerinha 12:06 PM @theteacherjames  Yes, I always told CELTA trainees not to expect to be able to do it! #eltchat
RGMontgomery 12:06 PM Agreed. Even if the plan is a little chaos 4 the day. @TyKendall: #eltchat i wouldn't walk into a class without some kind of lesson plan
yitzha_sarwono 12:06 PM RT @cybraryman1: “He who fails to plan, plans to fail†My Lesson Plans page: http://t.co/btcmfGr8 #ELTchat #ntchat #elemchat
naomishema 12:06 PM RT @teflerinha: @RGMontgomery  Personally can't ever teach someone else's plan- its how their mind works, not mine. #eltchat
teflerinha 12:06 PM @RGMontgomery  Personally can't ever teach someone else's plan- its how their mind works, not mine. #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:06 PM @Shaunwilden @michelleworgan Fresh out of CELTA, I tried. Learned pretty quickly it wasn't possible! #eltchat
nickkiley 12:06 PM @RGMontgomery  #eltchat Useful - we're trying to encourage collaboration on new books
naomishema 12:06 PM #eltchat I don't think it is even feasible for a T who works  full time to write detailed plans. here that is 24-30 hours of classes a week
barbsaka 12:06 PM @RGMontgomery I tihnk that for collaborating, written lesson plans are essential :) #eltchat
nickkiley 12:07 PM @michelleworgan  #eltchat Ooh, great - I'm using Evernote more and more. Didn't think about planning...
Shaunwilden 12:07 PM RT @nickkiley: RT @AnthHard: If someone else wrote lesson plans for you, would it save you time or cramp your style? #eltchat Cramp :-)
TyKendall 12:07 PM #eltchat @barbsaka  AN ARCHIVE - i like that, it's nice to reuse a lesson plan from the past and see how you've developed
theteacherjames 12:07 PM @TyKendall I don't always need a plan, but I'm always prepared. #eltchat
nickkiley 12:07 PM RT @AnthHard: If someone else wrote lesson plans for you, would it save you time or cramp your style? #eltchat Cramp :-)
RGMontgomery 12:07 PM Cramp RT @AnthHard: If someone else wrote lesson plans for you, would it save you time or cramp your style? #eltchat
michelleworgan 12:07 PM I no longer use paper! - Evernote for me :) #eltchat
timjulian60 12:07 PM #eltchat for me 10 mins of hard thinking about class, 2 mins scribbling on back of envelope suffices. But it's the thinking that's important
escocesa_madrid 12:07 PM @teflerinha I have just started a CELTA, and it's one of the things they told us on the first day.  And so true. #eltchat
michelleworgan 12:07 PM It's important to have an idea of what you're going to do and how, and paper is a reminder #eltchat
AnthHard 12:07 PM If someone else wrote lesson plans for you, would it save you time or cramp your style? #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:08 PM @Shaunwilden By the way Shaun, today my bet is on 12 minutes. #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 12:08 PM @barbsaka @TyKendall i second and third that opinion :) #eltchat
escocesa_madrid 12:08 PM @BobK99 The difference is, now my plans are shorter. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:08 PM RT @barbsaka: @TyKendall Also really useful to keep notes on lesson plans (or post its) about what worked and didn't #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:08 PM @escocesa_madrid I'd still make some notes even after 20 years! #eltchat
naomishema 12:08 PM @TyKendall #eltchat - I often can't reuse lesson plans from the past - classes don't progress the same rate, SS different, I'm differennt
barbsaka 12:08 PM @TyKendall Also really useful to keep notes on lesson plans (or post its) about what worked and didn't #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:08 PM @michelleworgan Evernote, that's a good idea never thought of that! #eltchat
escocesa_madrid 12:08 PM @theteacherjames It's easier for more experienced teachers to be prepared without a plan.   It comes with experience. #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:08 PM @AnthHard Definitely cramp my style, #eltchat
BobK99 12:08 PM RT @escocesa_madrid: @teflerinha I found that as a new teacher I needed to make plans.  Now less so. #eltchat ! Yes, but still necessary 1/2
theteacherjames 12:09 PM @escocesa_madrid True, but really depends on the training. #eltchat
escocesa_madrid 12:09 PM @Shaunwilden Yes, I can't imagine going into class with absolutely nothing. #eltchat
michelleworgan 12:09 PM Long and detailed lesson plan can hinder more than help! #eltchat
barbsaka 12:09 PM @Shaunwilden So an archive of activities or "mini-lessons" to mix and match might work better for you #eltchat
TyKendall 12:09 PM #eltchat @theteacherjames  hahahaha i give it 20 mins!
Shaunwilden 12:10 PM @barbsaka No that wouldnt work either, well i guess my head is my archive :-) #eltchat
barbsaka 12:10 PM @yitzha_sarwono That's a great idea! #eltchat
michelleworgan 12:10 PM I think a list of points/stages with obj and any useful info u may need should be your lesson plan #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:10 PM @AnthHard Isn't that called using a coursebook? #eltchat
naomishema 12:10 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: I filed all my lesson plans when I first started teaching, but never really used them again, even for the same unit/lesson #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 12:10 PM @barbsaka I always put some kind of check marks on things I've done today ,so I know where to pick up the next time #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:10 PM I filed all my lesson plans when I first started teaching, but never really used them again, even for the same unit/lesson #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:10 PM @theteacherjames Actually we predicted it would be from the off, in fact i was close to using it myself :-) #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:11 PM @Shaunwilden True, I'm resisting. It would make my day if you were first! #eltchat
teflerinha 12:11 PM : @michelleworgan Agree overlong plan cn hinder. 4 trainees do long plan 4 process & then have short version 4 teaching from? #eltchat
RGMontgomery 12:11 PM Are any of you required to post lesson plans on a website? I'm waiting until we have to put ours on renweb. UGH. Hope not. #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:12 PM Hi #eltchat sorry for being l8
Shaunwilden 12:12 PM @RGMontgomery Yuck, why would people make you do that  - plans are for the person   #eltchat
escocesa_madrid 12:12 PM This year i'm using Evernote to keep track of what I've done in class, things that worked or didn't, then I use it when planning. #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:12 PM @RGMontgomery What is the idea of putting the lessons on a website? For others to use? #eltchat
nickkiley 12:12 PM #eltchat Do we think a school can expect teachers to produce written plans? (Demand it, even?)
sandymillin 12:12 PM I'm going to fail http://t.co/OZsHZ6ZI / < can you help me help my student? Thanks! #eltchat #efl #esl #elt
rliberni 12:13 PM I think detailed plans r essential for trainees  they helped me a lot  #eltchat
RGMontgomery 12:13 PM Also for accreditation, we have to keep lesson plans on file. #eltchat
michelleworgan 12:13 PM @teflerinha Good idea, maybe a shorter version to take into class #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:13 PM @RGMontgomery Ok transparency I see but a plan proves nothing personally I'd be disappointed if a lesson ever went to plan #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:13 PM @nickkiley In my former school, I had to send my weekly lesson plans in adv. What a waste of time that was. Never read, filed away #eltchat
escocesa_madrid 12:13 PM @nickkiley My school asks us to keep a notebook with out lesson plans (no particular format), but they rarely check them. #eltchat
teflerinha 12:13 PM @nickkiley  Most FE Colleges in UK do.  Pages of it. One of reasons I got out as I spent more time on plan than materials #eltchat
nickkiley 12:13 PM RT @escocesa_madrid: This year i'm using Evernote to keep track of things that worked or didn't, then I use it when planning. #eltchat Great
Shaunwilden 12:13 PM @nickkiley I think there should be some evidence even if for self of thought #eltchat
RGMontgomery 12:13 PM @OUPELTGlobal "partnering with parents" and transparency #eltchat
michelleworgan 12:13 PM @nickkiley I think there can be too much paperwork, leaving less time for Ts to do tjeir job, esp in UK state ed #eltchat
barbsaka 12:13 PM @Shaunwilden I'm famous for organizing and then misplacing :) #eltchat
naomishema 12:14 PM RT @sandymillin: I'm going to fail http://t.co/OZsHZ6ZI / < can you help me help my student? Thanks! #eltchat #efl #esl #elt
rliberni 12:14 PM but I think later on they are for the org & their paper trail often #eltchat
michelleworgan 12:14 PM @theteacherjames In advance means that there is no record of what was actually done in class? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:14 PM @BrunoELT The value and detail of lessons plans #eltchat
RGMontgomery 12:14 PM @Shaunwilden Agreed. Plans need a lot of flexibility. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:15 PM @michelleworgan i always describe it as road map, so the essentials are the things you think you need for the journey #eltchat
rliberni 12:15 PM I still plan in 15 min blocks (even 4 1:1) and ALWAYS have a plan but objecs etc.. in my head now (unless I HAVE to provide em) #eltchat
escocesa_madrid 12:15 PM @nickkiley I'm finding it really helpful to reflect on my lessons and take out what was positive. #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:15 PM @michelleworgan Nope. Another reason it was pointless. I think it was only done in case the Ministry of Education came a-visiting #eltchat
BobK99 12:15 PM RT @teflerinha: : @michelleworgan... short version 4 teaching from? #eltchat !  Yes, that's how I used to do it (for cl tching). Now 1-to-1
KarenInGreece 12:15 PM My school recently told us we should make plans for every lesson. BUT some of the teachers have never been taught how to make one #ELTchat
barbsaka 12:15 PM RT @michelleworgan: What do u think are the essentials of lesson plans? #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 12:15 PM @rliberni yes indeed.Especially when you have 7 classes with different level!It helps you to plan what to do in each class too #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:15 PM RT @rliberni: I think detailed plans r essential for trainees they helped me a lot #eltchat
michelleworgan 12:15 PM What do u think are the essentials of lesson plans? #eltchat
teflerinha 12:15 PM @michelleworgan  Yes, also can't respond to students changing needs over the week. Bonkers. #eltchat
teflerinha 12:16 PM : @Shaunwilden  And where you are going! #eltchat
TyKendall 12:16 PM #eltchat shaun that counts you know!
Shaunwilden 12:16 PM @teflerinha To the aim of the lesson #eltchat
rliberni 12:16 PM @yitzha_sarwono  yes & if you team teach it's also important to have good plans #eltchat
Marie_Sanako 12:16 PM If you don't have some sort of plan, how do you know you and your students got where you intended at the end of the lesson? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:16 PM @nickkiley yes me too, you learn so much more when teachers go off piste and dare I say it almost show D-like tendencies #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:16 PM @rliberni Agreed that it is a v. good training tool. Makes you think about the structure of the lesson in an analytical way. #eltchat
TyKendall 12:16 PM #eltchat essentials: 1. objectives 2. methodology 3. materials 4. tangents 5. supplemental work/differentiation
rliberni 12:16 PM RT @barbsaka: @KarenInGreece That's when a template also comes in handy so Ts can just fill in the blanks :) #ELTchat
barbsaka 12:16 PM @KarenInGreece That's when a template also comes in handy so Ts can just fill in the blanks :) #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:17 PM @barbsaka Exactly, And when I do C/DELTA Sessions I have the map on the wall, diversions et al :- #eltchat
3ty3 12:17 PM @barbsak Essentials of lesson plans are clear purpose, variety of activities & ensuring all individ's & learning styles covered #eltchat
michelleworgan 12:17 PM @KarenInGreece With CB planning is often just putting activities in order #eltchat
rliberni 12:17 PM RT @barbsaka: @Shaunwilden I love the map analogy, especially the idea that you can change routes and still get to same destination :) #eltchat
KarenInGreece 12:17 PM Is it easier to make lesson plans when u r creating ur own lesson and materials or when using a coursebook?I find it hard with CBs #ELTchat
rliberni 12:17 PM RT @naomishema: #eltchat Don't forget the part" if extra time do this" sometimes activities progress faster than you expect!
barbsaka 12:17 PM @Shaunwilden I love the map analogy, especially the idea that you can change routes and still get to same destination :) #eltchat
TutorMe_Online 12:17 PM @barbsaka @michelleworgan 1 essential=having flexibility built in so plan can adapt to needs of learners eg extra detail if needed #eltchat
naomishema 12:17 PM #eltchat Don't forget the part" if extra time do this" sometimes activities progress faster than you expect!
nickkiley 12:18 PM @escocesa_madrid We ask trainees to e-mail so we can make comments etc.  #eltchat
KarenInGreece 12:18 PM @barbsaka I agree - and a bit of training wouldn't hurt either! #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:18 PM @TyKendall What counts never said owt gov ;-) #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:18 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @michelleworgan i always describe it as road map, so the essentials are the things you think you need for the journey #eltchat
rliberni 12:18 PM Also imp to  reach overall destination  at end of course, no plans diff to evaluate at the end #eltchat
escocesa_madrid 12:18 PM Why is it always paper plans they ask for?  Why can't we email them? #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 12:18 PM RT @naomishema: #eltchat Don't forget the part" if extra time do this" sometimes activities progress faster than you expect!
barbsaka 12:18 PM @KarenInGreece It could depend on how closely the CB suits your style of teaching/student interests #ELTchat
juanalejandro26 12:19 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: Would everyone agree that writing plans is more important when u start teaching and less so as you gain experience?  #eltchat
naomishema 12:19 PM @OUPELTGlobal #eltchat - I agree that plans become less important later
KarenInGreece 12:19 PM @michelleworgan I agree, though it's hard not to feel constricted by what's on the page in front of you #ELTchat
RGMontgomery 12:19 PM @OUPELTGlobal Definitely less detailed as you have more experience  #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:19 PM @BrunoELT Definitely "That's interesting, but we really should stick to the plan/book." I've made that mistake in the past. #eltchat
barbsaka 12:19 PM @KarenInGreece Training never hurts :) #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:19 PM Would everyone agree that writing plans is more important when u start teaching and less so as you gain experience?  #eltchat
escocesa_madrid 12:19 PM @nickkiley SAving paper - good! #eltchat
barbsaka 12:19 PM @Shaunwilden I'd include some construction and road closed signs to cover "those" days #eltchat
barbsaka 12:20 PM @naomishema Maybe look at the syllabus first (for the lesson bones) and look at the page? #eltchat
TyKendall 12:20 PM #eltchat i've never felt constrained by the plan even if it's been quite a tight plan,i always felt the freedom to be a maverick and wing it
BobK99 12:20 PM @escocesa_madrid  #eltchat I just use Treepad. Is Evernote freeware?
juanalejandro26 12:20 PM #indeed! #AGREE +1 RT @RGMontgomery: Never have to stick to the plan #eltchat
rliberni 12:20 PM RT @michelleworgan: RT @RGMontgomery: Never have to stick to the plan #eltchat|Very true! #eltchat
michelleworgan 12:20 PM RT @RGMontgomery: Never have to stick to the plan #eltchat|Very true! #eltchat
nickkiley 12:20 PM RT @Shaunwilden What counts never said owt gov ;-) #eltchat - You know everyone's dog-gedly avoiding it...
escocesa_madrid 12:20 PM @naomishema Yes, the more experience you have the less you have to put down on paper. #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:20 PM @OUPELTGlobal Yes, and yet one's career can be full of different starting points, when we try out new things etc #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:20 PM RT @RGMontgomery: Never have to stick to the plan #eltchat
RGMontgomery 12:20 PM Never have to stick to the plan #eltchat
PrettyButWise 12:21 PM RT @juanalejandro26: #indeed! #AGREE +1 RT @RGMontgomery: Never have to stick to the plan #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:21 PM I've noticed that some of my best classes were spontaneous, but with lots of things ready up the sleeve #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:21 PM @Marie_Sanako We need to differentiate between having a plan & being prepared. First can be more rigid, 2nd more open. #eltchat
rliberni 12:21 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @nickkiley I am shocked I thought the D-mob would be out in force on this one :-) #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 12:21 PM @KarenInGreece I always put CB in the middle of my lesson plan after some explanation and activity/games,it makes them easier to do #eltchat
escocesa_madrid 12:21 PM @BobK99 Yeah, it's great!  I use it for reflecting on lessons and storing ideas for future use.  IT's free! #eltchat
rliberni 12:21 PM @michelleworgan @RGMontgomery  yes, plans are made to be changed! V uncreative not to :-)  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:21 PM 21 minutes #eltchat
teflerinha 12:21 PM RT @BrunoELT: @theteacherjames I guess we shld stick 2 the aim of the lesson, not 2 the plan . thr various ways 2 achieve 1 goal. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:21 PM @nickkiley I am shocked I thought the D-mob would be out in force on this one :-) #eltchat
michelleworgan 12:21 PM How do you make a dgme lesson plan? #eltchat
KarenInGreece 12:21 PM @barbsaka And follow-up help... And good role-models from above setting good examples... but I guess that's another topic! :-) #ELTchat
rliberni 12:22 PM @mmgrinberg  this is often true but depends on experience I think :-) #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:22 PM RT @mmgrinberg: I've noticed that some of my best classes were spontaneous, but with lots of things ready up the sleeve #eltchat
TyKendall 12:22 PM #eltchat i've even thrown plans out the window entirely, a plan doesn't have to be a straightjacket
rliberni 12:22 PM RT @mmgrinberg: I've noticed that some of my best classes were spontaneous, but with lots of things ready up the sleeve #eltchat
michelleworgan 12:22 PM @BrunoELT I use evernote as if it were paper, but it is in both computers and my phone, just in case! #eltchat
barbsaka 12:23 PM Maybe plans become internalized when you've taught the same level for awhile, so written plans are short cuts to remembering #eltchat
naomishema 12:23 PM RT @rliberni: I think detailed plans r essential for trainees > I have to see what my Student teacher plans to do, needs to written #eltchat
BobK99 12:23 PM RT @escocesa_madrid: Why is it always paper plans they ask for?  Why can't we email them? #eltchat! Or Google Docs, or Dropbox, or...
yitzha_sarwono 12:23 PM @RGMontgomery true,but having a plan makes you feel better going to the classroom,knowing you are 'fully loaded' ;) #eltchat
escocesa_madrid 12:23 PM @TyKendall @mmgrinberg For less experienced teachers this is a scary idea!  #eltchat
naomishema 12:23 PM RT @michelleworgan:How make a dgme lesson plan? #eltchat IMO because we often start with a stimulus we can be prepared for several scenarios
TyKendall 12:23 PM #eltchat sorry straitjacket **
Shaunwilden 12:24 PM RT @RGMontgomery: How about what plans SHOULD NOT be? #eltchat
rliberni 12:24 PM RT @barbsaka: Maybe plans become internalized when you've taught the same level for awhile, so written plans are short cuts to remembering #eltchat
teflerinha 12:24 PM @naomishema  Agree for trainees plans essential to see what they are thinking and why they've chosen to do etc. #eltchat
escocesa_madrid 12:24 PM @naomishema But would you penalise trainees for deviating from the plan? #eltchat
TyKendall 12:24 PM #eltchat so let's talk about Dogme......lol
juanalejandro26 12:24 PM obviously that having a plan is good. but you can go slow or fast, depending on the Ss level! @yitzha_sarwono @RGMontgomery  #eltchat
RGMontgomery 12:24 PM How about what plans SHOULD NOT be? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:24 PM Can I ask where we are going with #eltchat  - we sort of all agree on the basics ideas of plans and their uses / limitations so.....
RGMontgomery 12:24 PM When my husb stud-taught, his cooperating teach gave him her plans & said, "These were my mom's plans. Now you use them." #eltchat
rliberni 12:24 PM How important is sticking to the plan for the organisation? #eltchat
TutorMe_Online 12:24 PM @mmgrinberg Definitely - plan several avenues to reach eventual aim of lesson then use those which feel right/work on the day #eltchat
juanalejandro26 12:25 PM non-productive. Ss have to practice and the plan has to be that way! RT @RGMontgomery: How about what plans SHOULD NOT be? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:25 PM RT @rliberni: How imp is sticking to the plan for the organisation? #eltchat  - Can you explain? Do u mean in terms of 'covering' material?
naomishema 12:25 PM @escocesa_madrid # eltchat - Certainly not as i would see trainee repsonding to class situation, but these are my SS and I'm responsible
OUPELTGlobal 12:25 PM @rliberni Maybe the organisation simply wants to know you know what you're doing. Not sure a detailed plan is the best way #eltchat
PrettyButWise 12:25 PM @barbsaka it needs concentration in planning and time #eltchat although it's imp !
mmgrinberg 12:25 PM Yday I spent 2 hours designing a handout for a 1-2-2 class, but didn't quite like th result, I wish I'd winged it #eltchat
KarenInGreece 12:25 PM @yitzha_sarwono Good idea, I try to do that too. #ELTchat
theteacherjames 12:25 PM RT @BrunoELT: @theteacherjames I guess we shld stick to the aim of the lesson, not to the plan itself. There various ways to achieve one goal. #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:26 PM YOu shouldn't on a plan so much that it saps your enthusiasm to actually teach it #eltchat
rliberni 12:26 PM @Shaunwilden  so are there any cons actually ? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:26 PM @TutorMe_Online For me it depends on the relevance of the ? to lesson and whole class #eltchat
escocesa_madrid 12:26 PM @naomishema The reflection on how it went is just as important. #eltchat
BobK99 12:26 PM RT @RGMontgomery: How about what plans SHOULD NOT be? #eltchat ! Longer than number_TBD pages? I'd say N=1 !
naomishema 12:26 PM @escocesa_madrid #eltchat - Certainly not as i would see trainee repsonding to class situation, but these are my SS and I'm responsible
TutorMe_Online 12:26 PM How do u deal with student qu's that are valid, but if gone into full, will derail lesson plan/not leave time to reach lesson goal? #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:27 PM @escocesa_madrid @TyKendall But I AM a 'less experienced' teacher - 1 yr post celta #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:27 PM RT @rliberni: Are plans single entities or parts of a whole? #eltchat Both :-)
juanalejandro26 12:27 PM RT @TyKendall: #eltchat i never start with the plan, always "chat" with the ss before plan kicks in @mmgrinberg
rliberni 12:27 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @rliberni Sticking to it rigidly? Overplanning so rushing sts thru things? Putting material over sts? #eltchat
TyKendall 12:27 PM #eltchat i never start with the plan, always "chat" with the ss before plan kicks in @mmgrinberg
rliberni 12:27 PM Are plans single entities or parts of a whole? #eltchat
barbsaka 12:27 PM Sometimes schools included planning time, sometimes not. RT @BrunoELT: Do you guys get paid for planning lessons? #eltchat
escocesa_madrid 12:27 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @rliberni Sticking to it rigidly? Overplanning so rushing sts thru things? Putting material over sts? #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:27 PM Hi all sorry to be late - just finished session on, guess what... lesson planning :-D #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:27 PM @rliberni Sticking to it rigidly? Overplanning so rushing sts thru things? Putting material over sts? #eltchat
michelleworgan 12:27 PM RT @mmgrinberg: The problem is - having a written plan often prevents me from seeing/hearing/feeling my ss well at the beginning of a lesson #eltchat
juanalejandro26 12:27 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @TutorMe_Online For me it depends on the relevance of the ? to lesson and whole class #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:27 PM The problem is - having a written plan often prevents me from seeing/hearing/feeling my ss well at the beginning of a lesson #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:28 PM @TyKendall @juanalejandro26 I do chat w 'em, but then the plan kicks in and sort of blurs my vision #eltchat
barbsaka 12:28 PM @Marisa_C Happy to be home for a few weeks :) #ELTchat
escocesa_madrid 12:28 PM @mmgrinberg Me too!  I'm doing the CELTA at the moment! #eltchat
barbsaka 12:28 PM @BrunoELT Seems like they would. I did :) #eltchat
BobK99 12:28 PM RT @escocesa_madrid: @naomishema The reflection on how it went is just as imp. #eltchat ! The LP form on my PGCE had a sec for just that
Marisa_C 12:28 PM @barbsaka Great to see you Lynn Carlucci :-D  of the filelights.... #ELTchat
TyKendall 12:28 PM #eltchat me too! im only a year out of uni, you just have to go for it!@mmgrinberg
michelleworgan 12:28 PM @rliberni Should be part of a whole - e.g.your term's programme #eltchat
barbsaka 12:28 PM @Marisa_C Welcome, Marisa! #ELTchat
Marisa_C 12:28 PM RT @rliberni: Are plans single entities or parts of a whole? #eltchat > should be part of a syllabus
michelleworgan 12:29 PM How important is it for Sts to see hat u have planned? #eltchat
TutorMe_Online 12:29 PM @Shaunwilden Good point-if not relevant, may offer to go through ? with student separately after class but wouldn't reject #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 12:29 PM @mmgrinberg I have what I call greeting sessions; i use it to ask them to talk about things that will have connection to the lesson #eltchat
TyKendall 12:29 PM #eltchat yeah i understand that, i think its a balancing act really @mmgrinberg
PrettyButWise 12:29 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: @rliberni Maybe the organisation simply wants to know you know what you're doing. Not sure a detailed plan is the best way #eltchat
TyKendall 12:30 PM #eltchat but you know that when some ss see you looking at lesson plan they are thinking "does he really know, why does he need to read that
nutrich 12:30 PM bit late & dunno if it's been mentioned - not much point over-planning with little kids, need to go with the flow a bit #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:30 PM @rliberni @michelleworgan I advice teachers to put a miniplan on the board so sts can see where the lesson is going #eltchat
TutorMe_Online 12:30 PM @Shaunwilden Good idea #eltchat
teflerinha 12:30 PM RT @michelleworgan: How important is it for Sts to see hat u have planned? Perceived value! Prob quite imp act #eltchat
TutorMe_Online 12:30 PM @timjulian60 Agreed!Or hopefully find way of weaving back into original plan from that new avenue later! Not always possible though #eltchat
rliberni 12:30 PM RT @michelleworgan: How important is it for Sts to see hat u have planned? #eltchat Great question!
Shaunwilden 12:30 PM @TutorMe_Online Yes or if it is imp maybe deal with it next lesson as a whole? #eltchat
barbsaka 12:30 PM @michelleworgan Important to appear prepared, but not sure that paper lesson plans always show that :) #eltchat
TyKendall 12:30 PM @michelleworgan  #eltchat quite important, but some perceive it as not being prepared enough some expect it memorized
rliberni 12:31 PM RT @michelleworgan: Even if sts can tell u haven't prepared, do they mind? Or do they prefer the class to flow naturally? #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:31 PM TENOR = Teaching English for No Obvious Reason #ELTchat
jobethsteel 12:31 PM #eltchat i always have some kind of plan but dont usually stick to it - good to review afterwards to see wot worked
mmgrinberg 12:31 PM I've tried writing lplans _after_ the lesson and I've found it amazing #eltchat Whabout u?
escocesa_madrid 12:31 PM @nutrich Yes, I agree.  As long as you have lots of ideas up your sleeve! #eltchat
naomishema 12:31 PM RT @TyKendall: #eltchat but you know that when some ss see you looking at lesson plan they are thinking "does he really know, why does he need to read that
BobK99 12:31 PM RT @michelleworgan: How important is it for Sts to see hat u have planned? #eltchat ! Yes, and that planning is nec. A colleague on my 1/2
raynashar 12:31 PM RT @ShellTerrell: Spread the Word about Free Friday Webinars with Shelly Terrell http://t.co/0kzxRXgG #esl #eltchat
JoHart 12:31 PM @BrunoELT #ELTchat - they are probably covering their *ss*s/meeting audit reqs - I only use plans 4 that as always "teach what I see"
michelleworgan 12:31 PM Even if sts can tell u haven't prepared, do they mind? Or do they prefer the class to flow naturally? #eltchat
KarenInGreece 12:31 PM How many of you are given a syllabus to follow by your school? #ELTchat
theteacherjames 12:31 PM RT @barbsaka: @michelleworgan Important to appear prepared, but not sure that paper lesson plans always show that :) #eltchat
rliberni 12:31 PM @michelleworgan  for my students essential it's part of the value for their investment #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:31 PM @michelleworgan I think it's imp for sts to see you know what you're doing, that you have an aim - transmits a sense of credibiilty #eltchat
rliberni 12:32 PM RT @mmgrinberg: I've tried writing lplans _after_ the lesson and I've found it amazing #eltchat Whabout u?
rliberni 12:32 PM @michelleworgan  I doubt it will flow I think there will be a plan of sorts in your head #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:32 PM RT @Marisa_C: TENOR = Teaching English for No Obvious Reason #ELTchat #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:32 PM RT @Marisa_C: TENOR = Teaching English for No Obvious Reason #ELTchat
michelleworgan 12:32 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @michelleworgan Good ?  - have u ever asked sts at the end of the class what they thought the lesson was about - it often differs #eltchat
nickkiley 12:32 PM RT @Marisa_C: TENOR = Teaching English for No Obvious Reason #ELTchat Great! THat's going on my training courses
juanalejandro26 12:32 PM #LOL RT @Marisa_C: TENOR = Teaching English for No Obvious Reason #ELTchat
naomishema 12:32 PM RT @escocesa_madrid: @nutrich Yes, I agree.  As long as you have lots of ideas up your sleeve! #eltchat > ideas - here's the place!
Shaunwilden 12:32 PM @michelleworgan Good ?  - have u ever asked sts at the end of the class what they thought the lesson was about - it often differs #eltchat
jobethsteel 12:33 PM @Shaunwilden #eltchat me too
3ty3 12:33 PM @mmgrinberg Must always have a good plan but undoubtedly many of the best lessons happen when it's thrown out the window #eltchat
michelleworgan 12:33 PM I think we are allowed to deviate from plan for those emergent moments! #eltchat
escocesa_madrid 12:33 PM @mmgrinberg Yes, I find that I always end up extending one of the activities I'd planned, adn cutting out a few others. #eltchat
nutrich 12:33 PM @naomishema @escocesa_madrid YL lessons can be half-filled with regular routines and so only a bit changes, makes planning easier #eltchat
rliberni 12:33 PM RT @Marisa_C: TENOR = Teaching English for No Obvious Reason #ELTchat
juanalejandro26 12:33 PM RT @RGMontgomery: Sometimes my plans say something like, "organized chaos." Or in my head they do. #eltchat
rliberni 12:33 PM @mmgrinberg  good idea what about getting stds to write the plan & see if it tallies with yours? #eltchat
RGMontgomery 12:33 PM Sometimes my plans say something like, "organized chaos." Or in my head they do. #eltchat
BobK99 12:33 PM @michelleworgan  #eltchat 2/2 PGCE course had an acitivity where  a prize (for another act) was to plan next lesson (given SoW)
JoHart 12:34 PM #ELTchat need for plan depends on skill/confidence of person being required to produce plan - for newb it may provide sheet anchor!
michelleworgan 12:34 PM @nutrich I agree, with YLs  it's important to be v flexible #eltchat
naomishema 12:34 PM @nutrich #eltchat - young learners and special ed love routines with only some changes - I agree!
RGMontgomery 12:34 PM Valuable 4 students to know you have a plan & know your stuff. They can tell when I wing it. #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:34 PM Actually not the plan, but I asked Ss to identify the lesson OBJECTIVES - HUUUUUGE mismatch #ELTchat
juanalejandro26 12:34 PM RT @nutrich: @naomishema @escocesa_madrid YL lessons can be half-filled with regular routines and so only a bit changes, makes planning easier #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:34 PM Best teacher I ever worked with prepared a lot & to her no plan was ever complete. After every class she went back & improved it. #ELTchat
mmgrinberg 12:34 PM @rliberni Gr8 idea, but my ss are either beginners or we have very few contact hours (biz execs) #eltchat
rliberni 12:34 PM RT @nutrich: @naomishema @escocesa_madrid YL lessons can be half-filled with regular routines and so only a bit changes, makes planning easier #eltchat
nutrich 12:34 PM RT @RGMontgomery: Sometimes my plans say something like, "organized chaos." Or in my head they do. #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 12:34 PM RT @Marisa_C: TENOR = Teaching English for No Obvious Reason #ELTchat
TutorMe_Online 12:34 PM @timjulian60 Yes - so student led 'interruptions' more important to pursue than original lesson plan if relevant/helpful to all #eltchat
rliberni 12:34 PM RT @RGMontgomery: Sometimes my plans say something like, "organized chaos." Or in my head they do. #eltchat
timjulian60 12:34 PM @KarenInGreece  we have a syllabus but it is negotiable #eltchat
nickkiley 12:34 PM RT @rliberni: @mmgrinberg  good idea what about getting stds to write the plan & see if it tallies with yours? #eltchat Useful feedback
Marisa_C 12:34 PM RT @rliberni: @mmgrinberg  good idea 4 stds to write the plan & see if it tallies with yours? #eltchat > did that in my dissertation
Scipio_Pater 12:35 PM RT @cybraryman1: “He who fails to plan, plans to fail†My Lesson Plans page: http://t.co/btcmfGr8 #ELTchat #ntchat #elemchat
RGMontgomery 12:35 PM No bad teachers only bad lesson plans or "no bad lesson plans only bad teachers" #eltchat
juanalejandro26 12:35 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @michelleworgan: @nutrich I agree, with YLs  it's important to be v flexible #eltchat  I think flexibility is imp no matter what age
rliberni 12:35 PM RT @mmgrinberg: Have you ever tried non-linear plans - spidergrams / diagrams etc? Thinking abt that #eltchat
KarenInGreece 12:35 PM @timjulian60 Lucky you, that would be nice! #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:35 PM RT @michelleworgan: @nutrich I agree, with YLs  it's important to be v flexible #eltchat  I think flexibility is imp no matter what age
mmgrinberg 12:35 PM Have you ever tried non-linear plans - spidergrams / diagrams etc? Thinking abt that #eltchat
rliberni 12:35 PM @RGMontgomery @Marisa_C  was your plan successful a/c to student feedback -  did they 'get' it? #eltchat
nutrich 12:35 PM with YLs I rarely feel I have the time to look at a plan - it needs to be in my head #eltchat
juanalejandro26 12:35 PM RT @JoHart: #ELTchat need for plan depends on skill/confidence of person being required to produce plan - for newb it may provide sheet anchor!
Marie_Sanako 12:35 PM @theteacherjames yes, I agree with that - have a plan and be happy to deviate if nec #eltchat
timjulian60 12:35 PM @TutorMe_Online  absolutely. Succintly put! #eltchat
BobK99 12:35 PM RT @barbsaka: @michelleworgan... not sure that paper lesson plans always show that :) #eltchat ! Good point. Too easy to fool oneself!
Marisa_C 12:36 PM Ts need to respond to developing, emerging needs at various points in lesson #ELTchat
mmgrinberg 12:36 PM RT @3ty3: @Marisa_C @rliberni @mmgrinberg absolutely -- the more sts engage & do the planning the better #eltchat Agree
jobethsteel 12:36 PM @Shaunwilden #eltchat someone elses plan def useful for ideas but not always easy to follow
BobK99 12:36 PM @rliberni  #eltchat If you keep using it (LP) as a crutch, you're always going to limp!
RGMontgomery 12:36 PM @rliberni I think my students felt proud of their learning. They saw a big picture of all they had learned. #eltchat
timjulian60 12:36 PM @KarenInGreece  and I write 'em so that's even better! #eltchat
nutrich 12:36 PM RT @Marisa_C: We always advise trainees that the plan is not the Holy Bible - no matter how much blood sweat & tears into it #ELTchat
escocesa_madrid 12:36 PM @nutrich Yes, true. I have a marble jar in one class, counting the marbles is a regular routine that takes more time each class! #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:36 PM We always advise trainees that the plan is not the Holy Bible - no matter how much blood sweat & tears into it #ELTchat
3ty3 12:36 PM @Marisa_C @rliberni @mmgrinberg absolutely -- the more sts engage & do the planning the better #eltchat
PrettyButWise 12:36 PM anyone has got lesson plan formulation/form ? Share it plz #eltchat I'd like to see some :)
juanalejandro26 12:36 PM RT @RGMontgomery: "No bad teachers only bad lesson plans" or "no bad lesson plans only bad teachers" #eltchat
nutrich 12:36 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @michelleworgan: @nutrich I agree, with YLs  it's imp to be v flexible #eltchat flexibility is imp no matter what age
escocesa_madrid 12:37 PM @naomishema Bye! #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 12:37 PM RT @theteacherjames: Best teacher I ever worked with prepared a lot & to her no plan was ever complete. After every class she went back & improved it. #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:37 PM RT @rliberni: @BobK99  surely every LP is different? #eltchat - You'd think so after all every class is different
Marie_Sanako 12:37 PM RT @RGMontgomery: Making sure students R aware of wht they have learned helps them feel their work was worthwhile. Important 2 say, "What U learned." #eltchat
kirkymon 12:37 PM As an admin, I like to see where a teacher has been and where they are headed. As a teacher, I don't always have time for that. #eltchat
naomishema 12:37 PM #eltchat - Sorry! Got to go! Nice chatting with you all!
Marisa_C 12:37 PM What lesson shapes do you use for different age groups? #ELTchat
rliberni 12:37 PM @BobK99  surely every LP is different? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:37 PM @jobethsteel Hi Jo, nice to see you  here #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:37 PM RT @BobK99: @rliberni  #eltchat If you keep using it (LP) as a crutch, you're always going to limp! > Agree. Write an LP and FORGET IT
Marisa_C 12:37 PM Do you plan the same way for adults as you plan for teens or adult learners? #ELTchat
juanalejandro26 12:37 PM #eltchat parenthesis: I'm amazed on how you can share everything you know... I am really #WOWED
PrettyButWise 12:37 PM RT @RGMontgomery: "No bad teachers only bad lesson plans" or "no bad lesson plans only bad teachers" #eltchat
RGMontgomery 12:37 PM Making sure students R aware of wht they have learned helps them feel their work was worthwhile. Important 2 say, "What U learned." #eltchat
teflerinha 12:37 PM RT @Marisa_C: Ts need to respond to developing, emerging needs at various points in lesson #ELTchat
nutrich 12:37 PM @escocesa_madrid Lol. Do you keep adding more?!  #ELTchat
PrettyButWise 12:38 PM @Marisa_C I think age controls lesson plans , with young learners u need to plan more creativity #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:38 PM @BrunoELT Not a mistake - I strongly believe lesson aims should be in public scrutiny by Ss #ELTchat and part of lesson evaluation
escocesa_madrid 12:38 PM @nutrich Marbles are added to the jar for good behaviour and good work.  Or taken away. #ELTchat
adgerian 12:38 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @Marisa_C: TENOR = Teaching English for No Obvious Reason #ELTchat #eltchat
kirkymon 12:38 PM In terms of planning I mean. #eltchat
juanalejandro26 12:38 PM RT @kirkymon: As an admin, I like to see where a teacher has been and where they are headed. As a teacher, I don't always have time for that. #eltchat
teflerinha 12:39 PM #eltchat Tweetdeck playing up and work calls (sadly) Great chat tho'
TyKendall 12:39 PM #eltchat right im off, i'll be here for the full hour tonight though! bye folks.....DOGME! (just to annoy shaun)
Marisa_C 12:39 PM RT @PrettyButWise: @Marisa_C I think age controls lesson plans , with young learners u need to plan more creativity #eltchat >& shorter bits
rliberni 12:39 PM @BobK99  I disagree I think an LP is a map or guide, a way of organising content , time & even thoughts and V learner focused  #eltchat
timjulian60 12:39 PM have to go and teach now - without a plan! Curse you, #eltchat!
Marisa_C 12:40 PM RT @escocesa_madrid: For teens and adults there tend to be fewer activities, and they vary more.  For YLs there's more routine. #ELTchat
yitzha_sarwono 12:40 PM @naomishema see you later Naomi! have a great day ^^ . and I love your Puffin! ;) #eltchat
nutrich 12:40 PM @escocesa_madrid ah, ok.  #ELTchat
rliberni 12:40 PM @mmgrinberg @BobK99  are our LPs working docs or produced for 3rd parties to keep tabs on us? #eltchat
yearinthelifeof 12:40 PM I write my lesson plan after the lesson has finished. I have aims/objectives in mind but how we get there is flexible... #eltchat
juanalejandro26 12:40 PM RT @escocesa_madrid: @Marisa_C No.  For teens and adults there tend to be fewer activities, and they vary more.  For YLs there's more routine. #ELTchat
escocesa_madrid 12:40 PM @Marisa_C No.  For teens and adults there tend to be fewer activities, and they vary more.  For YLs there's more routine. #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:40 PM @Marisa_C @BrunoELT Really, I can think of some many flaws in doing that #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:40 PM @timjulian60 Ho ho :-D  #eltchat
rliberni 12:41 PM @BobK99  why odd? #eltchat
JoHart 12:41 PM @PrettyButWise ... & wld def not group adolescent with adult with very mature age as learning prefs all v different #ELTchat
mmgrinberg 12:41 PM @rliberni I've gone freelance, but earlier this year, my DOS asked to submit YL plans prior to the lesson and that was _so_ cool! #eltchat
rliberni 12:41 PM RT @timjulian60: have to go and teach now - without a plan! Curse you, #eltchat! I'm sure it's in your head!
BobK99 12:41 PM @rliberni  #eltchat That's odd - I agree!
yearinthelifeof 12:41 PM ...the 'plan' is useful for the next time I have to teach the same material so I can reflect on what happened. Am I alone in this? #eltchat
PrettyButWise 12:41 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @PrettyButWise: @Marisa_C I think age controls lesson plans , with young learners u need to plan more creativity #eltchat >& shorter bits
nutrich 12:41 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @escocesa_madrid: For teens and adults there tend to be fewer activities, and they vary more.  For YLs there's more routine. #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:41 PM RT @rliberni: @mmgrinberg @BobK99 are our LPs working docs or produced for 3rd parties to keep tabs on us? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:41 PM @yearinthelifeof So why do you write the plan? #eltchat
rliberni 12:42 PM RT @Marie_Sanako: @yearinthelifeof if you write it afterwards, surely it's not a plan ;-) #eltchat
BobK99 12:42 PM @rliberni  #eltchat Because they're essential working docs.
OUPELTGlobal 12:42 PM @yearinthelifeof  I never actually reused my lesson plans. I remembered what worked and needed to adapt for a different class #eltchat
nutrich 12:42 PM Writing a plan helps me memorise the stages, even if I never look at it during the class it's useful (not that I always do it!) #ELTchat
Marisa_C 12:42 PM At the end of the day tho do u think that paper/e-based LP makes a lesson better? #ELTchat or have i missed this episode? sorry was late
Marie_Sanako 12:42 PM @yearinthelifeof if you write it afterwards, surely it's not a plan ;-) #eltchat
rliberni 12:43 PM RT @nutrich: Writing a plan helps me memorise the stages, even if I never look at it during the class it's useful (not that I always do it!) #ELTchat
nutrich 12:43 PM @Marie_Sanako @yearinthelifeof @rliberni It could serve as a plan for a future lesson! ;)  #ELTchat
rliberni 12:43 PM RT @Marisa_C: At the end of the day tho do u think that paper/e-based LP makes a lesson better? #ELTchat or have i missed this episode? sorry was late
yitzha_sarwono 12:44 PM @Marisa_C it makes a lesson flows in a better and more constructive way in my opinion #eltchat
rliberni 12:44 PM @OUPELTGlobal  me neither every one is unique #eltchat
kirkymon 12:44 PM @OUPELTGlobal @rliberni @mmgrinberg @BobK99 it helps to have a plan in case of illness #eltchat
nutrich 12:44 PM @michelleworgan yep, that's true #eltchat
yearinthelifeof 12:44 PM @Marie_Sanako It's a map of what happened, what ss asked/issues they raised, unexpected directions-leaves room for dogme+helps... #eltchat
nickkiley 12:44 PM #eltchat How about getting students to write the outline for the next lesson?
michelleworgan 12:44 PM @nutrich Yes and the plan helps have the learning objectives clear in your head too #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:45 PM I write an outline (prefer that to plan) of the lesson so I can think through the way I'd like it to go, inc teachable moments. #ELTchat
barbsaka 12:45 PM @Marisa_C Lesson plan shape? Is that a CELTA thing? #ELTchat
nutrich 12:45 PM RT @lauraahaha: RT @nickkiley #eltchat How about getting students to write the outline for the next lesson? < Now there's an idea!!
barbsaka 12:45 PM @naomishema Have a good day, Naomi!  #eltchat
michelleworgan 12:45 PM @kirkymon TRue, I have covered classes with no plans, but I haven't had a day off for 10 years lol! #eltchat
yearinthelifeof 12:45 PM @Marie_Sanako ...get ready for when I return to compulsory coursebook next time. Not a plan as such, but a reflective guide #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:45 PM RT @michelleworgan: @nutrich Yes & plan helps have the learning objectives clear in your head too #eltchat > if  clear in the 1st place
lauraahaha 12:45 PM RT @nickkiley #eltchat How about getting students to write the outline for the next lesson? < Now there's an idea!!
barbsaka 12:45 PM @Marisa_C Mostly, planning is same. But YL plan have many more bits to fill same time :) #ELTchat
theteacherjames 12:46 PM @nutrich Plan just sounds too prescriptive to me, especially of the CELTA type. #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:46 PM @barbsaka By change, I mean using the same mat or context in may diff ways - for short spells of time  #ELTchat
nutrich 12:46 PM @theteacherjames yep, I like the idea of an outline too  #eltchat
michelleworgan 12:46 PM RT @theteacherjames: I write an outline (prefer that to plan) of the lesson so I can think through the way I'd like it to go, inc teachable moments. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 12:46 PM RT @barbsaka: @Marisa_C Mostly, planning same. But YL plan have many more bits to fill same time :) #ELTchat > fully agree; or more changes
rliberni 12:47 PM @BobK99  yes I think they are (& I don't care what the powers that be want - they're for me & my learners) #eltchat
nutrich 12:47 PM @theteacherjames yep  #eltchat
michelleworgan 12:47 PM @Marisa_C  Same content/language but more variety of activities? #eltchat I often come up with games/activities on the spur of the moment
barbsaka 12:47 PM @Marisa_C Fully agree with changes! :) #ELTchat
nutrich 12:47 PM Do you write a plan on the board at the start of the  lesson showing the ss the stages? Or pics of activities for YLs?  #eltchat
BobK99 12:47 PM RT @barbsaka: @Marisa_C Lesson plan shape? Is that a CELTA thing? #ELTchat ! Rings a faint bell. Was 'hourglass' one, or 'hamburger'...
kirkymon 12:47 PM @michelleworgan It's so frustrating to ask a sub to cover and I have no idea what's been taught. #eltchat
rliberni 12:48 PM @kirkymon  maybe but in my exp subs usually do their own thing (the lesson up your sleeve!) #eltchat
lauraahaha 12:48 PM I like to write lesson 'frames' which help me remember what I'm doing (bad memory x5 lessons/day sometimes!) but allow me to react. #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:48 PM @nutrich Main topic areas, skills I hope will be developed, and how (individual work/pair/group work) #eltchat Sometimes nothing tho
yearinthelifeof 12:48 PM In case anyone's interested... Lesson planning: for dummies? « one year http://t.co/odsBXdyh #ELTchat
PrettyButWise 12:48 PM @JoHart yeah and mostly young learners classes have the age cohort and we lose it as we having eldest learners #eltchat
CAnastasiadiELT 12:48 PM RT @Marisa_C: @theteacherjames CELTA type plans have to be written by CELTA trainees for training purposes - I don't writet plans like that #eltchat
barbsaka 12:48 PM @Marisa_C I don't think there was a consensus about value of LP. A bit all over the map today :) #ELTchat
Marisa_C 12:48 PM @theteacherjames But can do if I need to - can all Ts if they need to?  #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:48 PM @theteacherjames CELTA type plans have to be written by CELTA trainees for training purposes - I don't writet plans like that #eltchat
michelleworgan 12:48 PM @nutrich No but it sounds like a brilliant idea! #eltchat
barbsaka 12:49 PM Absolutely! RT @kirkymon: @OUPELTGlobal @rliberni @mmgrinberg @BobK99 it helps to have a plan in case of illness #eltchat
michelleworgan 12:49 PM @lauraahaha Sounds good, what do the frames look like? #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:49 PM @barbsaka I think lesson planning while training is like doing the scales when training to be a pianist  #ELTchat
theteacherjames 12:49 PM @Marisa_C I'm very glad I did it, it helped me understand the structure of a lesson. #eltchat
nutrich 12:49 PM @harrisonmike I've tried it, but got out of the habit. I like the "I hope" bit of that! ;)  #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:49 PM I worked a lot iwth state school teachers - large classes, mixed ability, low motivation - lesson plans proved very useful to them #eltchat
rliberni 12:49 PM RT @theteacherjames: I write an outline (prefer that to plan) of the lesson so I can think through the way I'd like it to go, inc teachable moments. #ELTchat
yitzha_sarwono 12:49 PM RT @yearinthelifeof: In case anyone's interested... Lesson planning: for dummies? « one year http://t.co/odsBXdyh #ELTchat
michelleworgan 12:49 PM RT @lauraahaha: I like to write lesson 'frames' which help me remember what I'm doing (bad memory x5 lessons/day sometimes!) but allow me to react. #eltchat
JoHart 12:49 PM RT @rliberni: @kirkymon  maybe but in my exp subs usually do their own thing (the lesson up your sleeve!) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:49 PM RT @lauraahaha: I like to write lesson 'frames' which help me remember what I'm doing (bad memory x5 lessons/day sometimes!) but allow me to react. #eltchat
nutrich 12:49 PM @michelleworgan you can have pics for songs, games, writing etc to show kids the stages and tick them off as u go  #eltchat
JoHart 12:49 PM @kirkymon Hmm! does this mean sub cannot evaluate and use time to consolidate/practise existing level of understanding? #ELTchat
yitzha_sarwono 12:49 PM RT @theteacherjames: I write an outline (prefer that to plan) of the lesson so I can think through the way I'd like it to go, inc teachable moments. #ELTchat
JoHart 12:50 PM @rliberni I probably would - it is very hard to work to someone else's plan as it rarely quite gels with one's own style #ELTchat
yitzha_sarwono 12:50 PM @lauraahaha i like that term; lesson frames :) .kinda like what i'm doing in my school now #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:50 PM @theteacherjamesNotpossible to produce the same amount of detail for 30 hours of teaching every week - but all in my head though #eltchat
kirkymon 12:50 PM @rliberni yes, but a page number or something would be helpful #eltchat
barbsaka 12:50 PM @Marisa_C And even experienced pianists still practice those scales! #ELTchat
rliberni 12:50 PM RT @kirkymon: @michelleworgan It's so frustrating to ask a sub to cover and I have no idea what's been taught. #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:50 PM @kirkymon @michelleworgan A post-plan would be better here - what 'has been taught' -rather than a LP written before the event #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:50 PM @nutrich @michelleworgan Nice idea for some reason I make a list for adults but never thought of doing it with YL #eltchat
michelleworgan 12:50 PM RT @Marisa_C: @barbsaka I think lesson planning while training is like doing the scales when training to be a pianist  #ELTchat
barbsaka 12:50 PM Yep! RT @Marisa_C: @barbsaka I think lesson planning while training is like doing the scales when training to be a pianist  #ELTchat
CAnastasiadiELT 12:51 PM with experience some things become automated so no need to write them down #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:51 PM @KarenInGreece what do you mean by better? #eltchat
nutrich 12:51 PM @Shaunwilden @michelleworgan for VYLs it can help with showing how much time is left, coz '20 mins' doesn't mean anything!  #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:51 PM @barbsaka: @Marisa_C And even experienced pianists still practice those scales! #ELTchat > Thaaaaank you! Than was to be my next tweet!
jobethsteel 12:51 PM RT @barbsaka @Marisa_C Lesson plan shape? Is that a CELTA thing? #ELTchat ive certainly used the word 'shape' before on celtas
rliberni 12:51 PM @kirkymon  I've always found the students know exactly where they are & what they've done #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:51 PM RT @Marisa_C: @barbsaka I think lesson planning while training is like doing the scales when training to be a pianist  #ELTchat
KarenInGreece 12:51 PM i.e. I would like to learn how to make better lesson plans based on CBs #ELTchat
CAnastasiadiELT 12:51 PM + some teachers just off CELTA try to continue typing up really long plans sometimes to the detriment of their health! #eltchat
rliberni 12:51 PM @JoHart  I agree  & it's a chance to work off-plan! #eltchat
barbsaka 12:52 PM Been making lesson plans for 20+ years, and still go back to Bloom's Taxonomy for objective writing :) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:52 PM RT @CAnastasiadiELT: with experience some things become automated so no need to write them down #eltchat Can't this be a bad thing?
mmgrinberg 12:52 PM RT @PrettyButWise: @nutrich i think it's bad idea to write it #eltchat why?
OUPELTGlobal 12:52 PM RT @CAnastasiadiELT: with experience some things become automated so no need to write them down #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:52 PM RT @CAnastasiadiELT: with experience some things become automated so no need to write them down #eltchat > gd, important point
rliberni 12:52 PM @Marisa_C  me nether but I did & it was great training #eltchat
michelleworgan 12:52 PM @nutrich And it keeps them on task, knowing they have another activity to do when they've finished this one! #eltchat
PrettyButWise 12:52 PM @nutrich i think it's bad idea to write it #eltchat
nickkiley 12:53 PM @lauraahaha  #eltchat I'm going to try it next lesson ;-)
Marisa_C 12:53 PM @Shaunwilden Can be if all same same same same  #eltchat
CAnastasiadiELT 12:53 PM @Shaunwilden how do you mean? I mean feedback foe example, or grouping arrangements #eltchat
JoHart 12:53 PM @kirkymon @rliberni Hmm! don't do "Page nos" admit I am not ESL but literacy focussed & we don't use std texts for teaching #ELTchat
rliberni 12:53 PM RT @yearinthelifeof: In case anyone's interested... Lesson planning: for dummies? « one year http://t.co/odsBXdyh #ELTchat
LizziePinard 12:53 PM #eltchat hullo everyone sorry for missing most of it!
rliberni 12:53 PM @barbsaka  I think we all agree they are a good thing but we should be creative with them post training #eltchat
kirkymon 12:53 PM It depends on the ability of the sub. At the last minute the best sub isn't always available. #eltchat
barbsaka 12:54 PM @yitzha_sarwono Love it! #eltchat
jobethsteel 12:54 PM RT @lauraahaha RT @nickkiley #eltchat How about getting students to write the outline for the next lesson? < Now there's an idea!! Like!
barbsaka 12:54 PM @nutrich Thanks for your great contributions! #eltchat
CAnastasiadiELT 12:54 PM RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden Can be if all same same same same  #eltchat yes
escocesa_madrid 12:54 PM @nutrich Bye! #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 12:54 PM @mmgrinberg I spare 15 mins to ask their opinions on certain things related to topic like exp when i want to talk about past tense #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:54 PM RT @barbsaka: @rliberni Totally agree. Having a  map makes it easier to change directions in class :) #eltchat
nutrich 12:54 PM short but sweet - it was good to take part in a bit of  #eltchat again, got to dash now though. Bye!
barbsaka 12:54 PM @rliberni Totally agree. Having a  map makes it easier to change directions in class :) #eltchat
PrettyButWise 12:54 PM RT @KarenInGreece: i.e. I would like to learn how to make better lesson plans based on CBs #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:54 PM @CAnastasiadiELT Automation can lead to complacency stops people thinking about the actual class at hand #eltchat
kirkymon 12:55 PM @rliberni yes, but they don't always arrive until near class time and I'd like to give the don something to work with. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:55 PM RT @barbsaka: So, with 5 mins left, who would like to volunteer to summarize the "road map" of this chat? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:55 PM RT @yearinthelifeof: Mylessonplan: (1) These are our objectives (2) Let's agree on how we can achieve these (3) reflect on process together #eltchat
barbsaka 12:55 PM So, with 5 mins left, who would like to volunteer to summarize the "road map" of this chat? #eltchat
yearinthelifeof 12:55 PM Mylessonplan: (1) These are our objectives (2) Let's agree on how we can achieve these (3) reflect on process together #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:55 PM @nutrich Byee!  #eltchat
rliberni 12:55 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: I worked a lot iwth state school teachers - large classes, mixed ability, low motivation - lesson plans proved very useful to them #eltchat
yearinthelifeof 12:56 PM @barbsaka Remember that 'volunteer' is a transitive verb! I volunteer... #ELTchat
PrettyButWise 12:56 PM @mmgrinberg @nutrich Ss will be busy thinkin how next step would be rather than focusing on the current one + excitement is needed #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:56 PM @CAnastasiadiELT I wasnt actually disagreeing with you, just adding to #eltchat  :-)
CAnastasiadiELT 12:56 PM @Shaunwilden definitely true. comment influenced by now working with v new teachers who end up typing more than thinking #eltchat
rliberni 12:56 PM RT @Marisa_C: @barbsaka I think lesson planning while training is like doing the scales when training to be a pianist  #ELTchat
KarenInGreece 12:56 PM @yitzha_sarwono I like to do the same thing too - it's nice to schedule time for personalisation/opinion discussions #ELTchat
escocesa_madrid 12:57 PM Thanks for the good discussion, sorry I wasn't very participative towards the end. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:57 PM @yearinthelifeof @barbsaka If you say the word it counts as doing it! #eltchat
BobK99 12:57 PM @barbsaka  #eltchat 'Brownian motion' springs to mind! Sorry - too much on :-(
mmgrinberg 12:58 PM Sorry, gotta go... plan my next lesson. Thanks everyone #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:58 PM @escocesa_madrid oo participative there's a word you don't hear everyday :-) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:59 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: Thanks for a great discussion. A lot of food for thought. Don't know what to think of lesson plans - a good map or excess baggage?  #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:59 PM Thanks for a great discussion. A lot of food for thought. Don't know what to think of lesson plans - a good map or excess baggage?  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:59 PM Don't all rush off until someone has volunteered to do the summary ;-) #eltchat
BobK99 12:59 PM Bye all - thanks for #eltchat
barbsaka 12:59 PM @Shaunwilden @yearinthelifeof Are you volunteering? (vt) #eltchat
LizziePinard 12:59 PM #eltchat who's summarising then? i would if i hadnt missed 95% of the chat!
Shaunwilden 1:00 PM Am also waiting for those people who said they would help put a podcast together to DM me their emails :-) #eltchat
lauraahaha 1:00 PM Hard to describe! I'll upload a pic next time I teach to my blog. RT @michelleworgan Sounds good, what do the frames look like? #eltchat
PrettyButWise 1:00 PM I need lesson plan shape plz GUYS -sorry I wrote it gays last time as I was in hurry ;P - thanks for great #eltchat
KarenInGreece 1:01 PM Off for a coffee, see you all tonight :-) #ELTchat
CAnastasiadiELT 1:01 PM pity I joined late. Will try to catch the evening one #eltchat

 

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