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barbsaka | 12:00 PM | RT @Shaunwilden: Welcome to the 1st #eltchat on Detailed paper-based lesson planning. The pros and cons... |
Shaunwilden | 12:00 PM | Welcome to the 1st #eltchat on Detailed paper-based lesson planning. The pros and cons- why do/don’t we do detailed plans..... |
Shaunwilden | 12:01 PM | @nickkiley Me too Nick #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:01 PM | RT @Shaunwilden: Welcome to the 1st #eltchat on Detailed paper-based lesson planning. The pros and cons- why do/don’t we do detailed plans..... |
TyKendall | 12:01 PM | #eltchat well, what is meant by "detailed"? |
teflerinha | 12:01 PM | Hi everyone. #eltchat |
nickkiley | 12:01 PM | #eltchat Hello all. Well, personally, I use lesson plans to get my thoughts in order pre-lesson, but only refer to it occasionally during |
barbsaka | 12:01 PM | @escocesa_madrid Hi! #eltchat |
escocesa_madrid | 12:01 PM | #eltchat Hi everyone! |
naomishema | 12:02 PM | #eltchat Detaile probably means with full objectives, times, full description of activities and what to do if there is time left |
escocesa_madrid | 12:02 PM | I found that as I get more experienced my plans get shorter and shorter. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:02 PM | @TyKendall I presumed it refered to the sort of plans ur expected to produce on TT courses #eltchat |
michelleworgan | 12:03 PM | Does anyone think those Celta type plans are necessary/useful? #eltchat |
yitzha_sarwono | 12:03 PM | RT @Shaunwilden: Welcome to the 1st #eltchat on Detailed paper-based lesson planning. The pros and cons- why do/don’t we do detailed plans..... |
Shaunwilden | 12:03 PM | Oh by the way the mods are me, @rliberni and @barbsaka should you need anything #eltchat |
barbsaka | 12:03 PM | RT @naomishema: #eltchat Detaile probably means with full objectives, times, full description of activities + what to do if time is left |
TyKendall | 12:03 PM | #eltchat on my TT course a lesson plan was typically 3 A4 pages-ish, ive seen 10 page plans on PGCE courses! too detailed! |
butwait | 12:03 PM | Up & @ 'em, Tweeple! There's a cool #eltchat on the pros & cons of detailed, paper-based lesson planning happening right now... jump on in! |
theteacherjames | 12:04 PM | @michelleworgan I think those CELTA plans were useful as a learning tool, but I certainly don't do them now! #eltchat |
teflerinha | 12:04 PM | @michelleworgan Useful to help with the process of working it all out I think. Not a model for daily teaching #eltchat |
barbsaka | 12:04 PM | @OUPELTGlobal Yes, written lesson plans #eltchat |
escocesa_madrid | 12:04 PM | @teflerinha I found that as a new teacher I needed to make plans. Now less so. #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal | 12:04 PM | Hi everyone. Sorry I'm late. Written lesson plans, right? #eltchat |
michelleworgan | 12:04 PM | RT @teflerinha: I think planning is gd, having 2 write it all dn ovr sevrl pages is a waste of time- EXCEPT if being observed or if new 2 teaching #eltchat |
TyKendall | 12:04 PM | #eltchat @escocesa_madrid i know, i almost fainted, it was like a transcript, not a plan! |
yitzha_sarwono | 12:04 PM | RT @Shaunwilden: Oh by the way the mods are me, @rliberni and @barbsaka should you need anything #eltchat |
RGMontgomery | 12:04 PM | Hi. Good topic. When I have taught a lesson before, I need far less in my lesson plans. #eltchat |
teflerinha | 12:04 PM | I think planning is gd, having 2 write it all dn ovr sevrl pages is a waste of time- EXCEPT if being observed or if new 2 teaching #eltchat |
escocesa_madrid | 12:04 PM | @TyKendall Omg, that's a long plan. #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:04 PM | OOPs tweet went into black hole #eltchat will retrieve my pearls |
yitzha_sarwono | 12:05 PM | I think well planned class as in lesson plan is good,means you're really prepared & I think new teachers should do it to help them #eltchat |
escocesa_madrid | 12:05 PM | @TyKendall Scripting instructions can be beneficial, but the danger is it gets too unnatural. #eltchat |
barbsaka | 12:05 PM | Me, either RT @TyKendall: #eltchat i wouldn't walk into a class without some kind of lesson plan |
RGMontgomery | 12:05 PM | Does anyone ever look at another teacher's plans? What about when you are collaborating? Big push at my school. #eltchat |
EnglishOutThere | 12:05 PM | Just started..English Out There for Teachers - Your questions answered (early) http://t.co/o8Z83e5C #elt #esl #tefl #tesol #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:05 PM | @theteacherjames @michelleworgan It would be almost imp to do them in a FT job #eltchat |
michelleworgan | 12:05 PM | @teflerinha I agree, useful for yourself to think through lessons but not necessarily on paper #eltchat |
TyKendall | 12:05 PM | #eltchat i wouldn't walk into a class without some kind of lesson plan |
cybraryman1 | 12:05 PM | “He who fails to plan, plans to fail†My Lesson Plans page: http://t.co/btcmfGr8 #ELTchat #ntchat #elemchat |
nickkiley | 12:05 PM | #eltchat We've had some soul-searching about whether asking for plans for obs suggests teacher should be sticking to the plan rigidly |
barbsaka | 12:06 PM | @naomishema If teachers repeat classes, then lesson plans can become an archive #eltchat |
RGMontgomery | 12:06 PM | Sharing lesson plans? RT @nickkiley: @RGMontgomery #eltchat Useful - we're trying to encourage collaboration on new books |
escocesa_madrid | 12:06 PM | @naomishema Absolutely agree. At my school there is no paid time for lesson planning, yet we're expected to do it. #eltchat |
teflerinha | 12:06 PM | @theteacherjames Yes, I always told CELTA trainees not to expect to be able to do it! #eltchat |
RGMontgomery | 12:06 PM | Agreed. Even if the plan is a little chaos 4 the day. @TyKendall: #eltchat i wouldn't walk into a class without some kind of lesson plan |
yitzha_sarwono | 12:06 PM | RT @cybraryman1: “He who fails to plan, plans to fail†My Lesson Plans page: http://t.co/btcmfGr8 #ELTchat #ntchat #elemchat |
naomishema | 12:06 PM | RT @teflerinha: @RGMontgomery Personally can't ever teach someone else's plan- its how their mind works, not mine. #eltchat |
teflerinha | 12:06 PM | @RGMontgomery Personally can't ever teach someone else's plan- its how their mind works, not mine. #eltchat |
theteacherjames | 12:06 PM | @Shaunwilden @michelleworgan Fresh out of CELTA, I tried. Learned pretty quickly it wasn't possible! #eltchat |
nickkiley | 12:06 PM | @RGMontgomery #eltchat Useful - we're trying to encourage collaboration on new books |
naomishema | 12:06 PM | #eltchat I don't think it is even feasible for a T who works full time to write detailed plans. here that is 24-30 hours of classes a week |
barbsaka | 12:06 PM | @RGMontgomery I tihnk that for collaborating, written lesson plans are essential :) #eltchat |
nickkiley | 12:07 PM | @michelleworgan #eltchat Ooh, great - I'm using Evernote more and more. Didn't think about planning... |
Shaunwilden | 12:07 PM | RT @nickkiley: RT @AnthHard: If someone else wrote lesson plans for you, would it save you time or cramp your style? #eltchat Cramp :-) |
TyKendall | 12:07 PM | #eltchat @barbsaka AN ARCHIVE - i like that, it's nice to reuse a lesson plan from the past and see how you've developed |
theteacherjames | 12:07 PM | @TyKendall I don't always need a plan, but I'm always prepared. #eltchat |
nickkiley | 12:07 PM | RT @AnthHard: If someone else wrote lesson plans for you, would it save you time or cramp your style? #eltchat Cramp :-) |
RGMontgomery | 12:07 PM | Cramp RT @AnthHard: If someone else wrote lesson plans for you, would it save you time or cramp your style? #eltchat |
michelleworgan | 12:07 PM | I no longer use paper! - Evernote for me :) #eltchat |
timjulian60 | 12:07 PM | #eltchat for me 10 mins of hard thinking about class, 2 mins scribbling on back of envelope suffices. But it's the thinking that's important |
escocesa_madrid | 12:07 PM | @teflerinha I have just started a CELTA, and it's one of the things they told us on the first day. And so true. #eltchat |
michelleworgan | 12:07 PM | It's important to have an idea of what you're going to do and how, and paper is a reminder #eltchat |
AnthHard | 12:07 PM | If someone else wrote lesson plans for you, would it save you time or cramp your style? #eltchat |
theteacherjames | 12:08 PM | @Shaunwilden By the way Shaun, today my bet is on 12 minutes. #eltchat |
yitzha_sarwono | 12:08 PM | @barbsaka @TyKendall i second and third that opinion :) #eltchat |
escocesa_madrid | 12:08 PM | @BobK99 The difference is, now my plans are shorter. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:08 PM | RT @barbsaka: @TyKendall Also really useful to keep notes on lesson plans (or post its) about what worked and didn't #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:08 PM | @escocesa_madrid I'd still make some notes even after 20 years! #eltchat |
naomishema | 12:08 PM | @TyKendall #eltchat - I often can't reuse lesson plans from the past - classes don't progress the same rate, SS different, I'm differennt |
barbsaka | 12:08 PM | @TyKendall Also really useful to keep notes on lesson plans (or post its) about what worked and didn't #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:08 PM | @michelleworgan Evernote, that's a good idea never thought of that! #eltchat |
escocesa_madrid | 12:08 PM | @theteacherjames It's easier for more experienced teachers to be prepared without a plan. It comes with experience. #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal | 12:08 PM | @AnthHard Definitely cramp my style, #eltchat |
BobK99 | 12:08 PM | RT @escocesa_madrid: @teflerinha I found that as a new teacher I needed to make plans. Now less so. #eltchat ! Yes, but still necessary 1/2 |
theteacherjames | 12:09 PM | @escocesa_madrid True, but really depends on the training. #eltchat |
escocesa_madrid | 12:09 PM | @Shaunwilden Yes, I can't imagine going into class with absolutely nothing. #eltchat |
michelleworgan | 12:09 PM | Long and detailed lesson plan can hinder more than help! #eltchat |
barbsaka | 12:09 PM | @Shaunwilden So an archive of activities or "mini-lessons" to mix and match might work better for you #eltchat |
TyKendall | 12:09 PM | #eltchat @theteacherjames hahahaha i give it 20 mins! |
Shaunwilden | 12:10 PM | @barbsaka No that wouldnt work either, well i guess my head is my archive :-) #eltchat |
barbsaka | 12:10 PM | @yitzha_sarwono That's a great idea! #eltchat |
michelleworgan | 12:10 PM | I think a list of points/stages with obj and any useful info u may need should be your lesson plan #eltchat |
theteacherjames | 12:10 PM | @AnthHard Isn't that called using a coursebook? #eltchat |
naomishema | 12:10 PM | RT @OUPELTGlobal: I filed all my lesson plans when I first started teaching, but never really used them again, even for the same unit/lesson #eltchat |
yitzha_sarwono | 12:10 PM | @barbsaka I always put some kind of check marks on things I've done today ,so I know where to pick up the next time #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal | 12:10 PM | I filed all my lesson plans when I first started teaching, but never really used them again, even for the same unit/lesson #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:10 PM | @theteacherjames Actually we predicted it would be from the off, in fact i was close to using it myself :-) #eltchat |
theteacherjames | 12:11 PM | @Shaunwilden True, I'm resisting. It would make my day if you were first! #eltchat |
teflerinha | 12:11 PM | : @michelleworgan Agree overlong plan cn hinder. 4 trainees do long plan 4 process & then have short version 4 teaching from? #eltchat |
RGMontgomery | 12:11 PM | Are any of you required to post lesson plans on a website? I'm waiting until we have to put ours on renweb. UGH. Hope not. #eltchat |
mmgrinberg | 12:12 PM | Hi #eltchat sorry for being l8 |
Shaunwilden | 12:12 PM | @RGMontgomery Yuck, why would people make you do that - plans are for the person #eltchat |
escocesa_madrid | 12:12 PM | This year i'm using Evernote to keep track of what I've done in class, things that worked or didn't, then I use it when planning. #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal | 12:12 PM | @RGMontgomery What is the idea of putting the lessons on a website? For others to use? #eltchat |
nickkiley | 12:12 PM | #eltchat Do we think a school can expect teachers to produce written plans? (Demand it, even?) |
sandymillin | 12:12 PM | I'm going to fail http://t.co/OZsHZ6ZI / < can you help me help my student? Thanks! #eltchat #efl #esl #elt |
rliberni | 12:13 PM | I think detailed plans r essential for trainees they helped me a lot #eltchat |
RGMontgomery | 12:13 PM | Also for accreditation, we have to keep lesson plans on file. #eltchat |
michelleworgan | 12:13 PM | @teflerinha Good idea, maybe a shorter version to take into class #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:13 PM | @RGMontgomery Ok transparency I see but a plan proves nothing personally I'd be disappointed if a lesson ever went to plan #eltchat |
theteacherjames | 12:13 PM | @nickkiley In my former school, I had to send my weekly lesson plans in adv. What a waste of time that was. Never read, filed away #eltchat |
escocesa_madrid | 12:13 PM | @nickkiley My school asks us to keep a notebook with out lesson plans (no particular format), but they rarely check them. #eltchat |
teflerinha | 12:13 PM | @nickkiley Most FE Colleges in UK do. Pages of it. One of reasons I got out as I spent more time on plan than materials #eltchat |
nickkiley | 12:13 PM | RT @escocesa_madrid: This year i'm using Evernote to keep track of things that worked or didn't, then I use it when planning. #eltchat Great |
Shaunwilden | 12:13 PM | @nickkiley I think there should be some evidence even if for self of thought #eltchat |
RGMontgomery | 12:13 PM | @OUPELTGlobal "partnering with parents" and transparency #eltchat |
michelleworgan | 12:13 PM | @nickkiley I think there can be too much paperwork, leaving less time for Ts to do tjeir job, esp in UK state ed #eltchat |
barbsaka | 12:13 PM | @Shaunwilden I'm famous for organizing and then misplacing :) #eltchat |
naomishema | 12:14 PM | RT @sandymillin: I'm going to fail http://t.co/OZsHZ6ZI / < can you help me help my student? Thanks! #eltchat #efl #esl #elt |
rliberni | 12:14 PM | but I think later on they are for the org & their paper trail often #eltchat |
michelleworgan | 12:14 PM | @theteacherjames In advance means that there is no record of what was actually done in class? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:14 PM | @BrunoELT The value and detail of lessons plans #eltchat |
RGMontgomery | 12:14 PM | @Shaunwilden Agreed. Plans need a lot of flexibility. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:15 PM | @michelleworgan i always describe it as road map, so the essentials are the things you think you need for the journey #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:15 PM | I still plan in 15 min blocks (even 4 1:1) and ALWAYS have a plan but objecs etc.. in my head now (unless I HAVE to provide em) #eltchat |
escocesa_madrid | 12:15 PM | @nickkiley I'm finding it really helpful to reflect on my lessons and take out what was positive. #eltchat |
theteacherjames | 12:15 PM | @michelleworgan Nope. Another reason it was pointless. I think it was only done in case the Ministry of Education came a-visiting #eltchat |
BobK99 | 12:15 PM | RT @teflerinha: : @michelleworgan... short version 4 teaching from? #eltchat ! Yes, that's how I used to do it (for cl tching). Now 1-to-1 |
KarenInGreece | 12:15 PM | My school recently told us we should make plans for every lesson. BUT some of the teachers have never been taught how to make one #ELTchat |
barbsaka | 12:15 PM | RT @michelleworgan: What do u think are the essentials of lesson plans? #eltchat |
yitzha_sarwono | 12:15 PM | @rliberni yes indeed.Especially when you have 7 classes with different level!It helps you to plan what to do in each class too #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal | 12:15 PM | RT @rliberni: I think detailed plans r essential for trainees they helped me a lot #eltchat |
michelleworgan | 12:15 PM | What do u think are the essentials of lesson plans? #eltchat |
teflerinha | 12:15 PM | @michelleworgan Yes, also can't respond to students changing needs over the week. Bonkers. #eltchat |
teflerinha | 12:16 PM | : @Shaunwilden And where you are going! #eltchat |
TyKendall | 12:16 PM | #eltchat shaun that counts you know! |
Shaunwilden | 12:16 PM | @teflerinha To the aim of the lesson #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:16 PM | @yitzha_sarwono yes & if you team teach it's also important to have good plans #eltchat |
Marie_Sanako | 12:16 PM | If you don't have some sort of plan, how do you know you and your students got where you intended at the end of the lesson? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:16 PM | @nickkiley yes me too, you learn so much more when teachers go off piste and dare I say it almost show D-like tendencies #eltchat |
theteacherjames | 12:16 PM | @rliberni Agreed that it is a v. good training tool. Makes you think about the structure of the lesson in an analytical way. #eltchat |
TyKendall | 12:16 PM | #eltchat essentials: 1. objectives 2. methodology 3. materials 4. tangents 5. supplemental work/differentiation |
rliberni | 12:16 PM | RT @barbsaka: @KarenInGreece That's when a template also comes in handy so Ts can just fill in the blanks :) #ELTchat |
barbsaka | 12:16 PM | @KarenInGreece That's when a template also comes in handy so Ts can just fill in the blanks :) #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:17 PM | @barbsaka Exactly, And when I do C/DELTA Sessions I have the map on the wall, diversions et al :- #eltchat |
3ty3 | 12:17 PM | @barbsak Essentials of lesson plans are clear purpose, variety of activities & ensuring all individ's & learning styles covered #eltchat |
michelleworgan | 12:17 PM | @KarenInGreece With CB planning is often just putting activities in order #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:17 PM | RT @barbsaka: @Shaunwilden I love the map analogy, especially the idea that you can change routes and still get to same destination :) #eltchat |
KarenInGreece | 12:17 PM | Is it easier to make lesson plans when u r creating ur own lesson and materials or when using a coursebook?I find it hard with CBs #ELTchat |
rliberni | 12:17 PM | RT @naomishema: #eltchat Don't forget the part" if extra time do this" sometimes activities progress faster than you expect! |
barbsaka | 12:17 PM | @Shaunwilden I love the map analogy, especially the idea that you can change routes and still get to same destination :) #eltchat |
TutorMe_Online | 12:17 PM | @barbsaka @michelleworgan 1 essential=having flexibility built in so plan can adapt to needs of learners eg extra detail if needed #eltchat |
naomishema | 12:17 PM | #eltchat Don't forget the part" if extra time do this" sometimes activities progress faster than you expect! |
nickkiley | 12:18 PM | @escocesa_madrid We ask trainees to e-mail so we can make comments etc. #eltchat |
KarenInGreece | 12:18 PM | @barbsaka I agree - and a bit of training wouldn't hurt either! #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:18 PM | @TyKendall What counts never said owt gov ;-) #eltchat |
theteacherjames | 12:18 PM | RT @Shaunwilden: @michelleworgan i always describe it as road map, so the essentials are the things you think you need for the journey #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:18 PM | Also imp to reach overall destination at end of course, no plans diff to evaluate at the end #eltchat |
escocesa_madrid | 12:18 PM | Why is it always paper plans they ask for? Why can't we email them? #eltchat |
yitzha_sarwono | 12:18 PM | RT @naomishema: #eltchat Don't forget the part" if extra time do this" sometimes activities progress faster than you expect! |
barbsaka | 12:18 PM | @KarenInGreece It could depend on how closely the CB suits your style of teaching/student interests #ELTchat |
juanalejandro26 | 12:19 PM | RT @OUPELTGlobal: Would everyone agree that writing plans is more important when u start teaching and less so as you gain experience? #eltchat |
naomishema | 12:19 PM | @OUPELTGlobal #eltchat - I agree that plans become less important later |
KarenInGreece | 12:19 PM | @michelleworgan I agree, though it's hard not to feel constricted by what's on the page in front of you #ELTchat |
RGMontgomery | 12:19 PM | @OUPELTGlobal Definitely less detailed as you have more experience #eltchat |
theteacherjames | 12:19 PM | @BrunoELT Definitely "That's interesting, but we really should stick to the plan/book." I've made that mistake in the past. #eltchat |
barbsaka | 12:19 PM | @KarenInGreece Training never hurts :) #ELTchat |
OUPELTGlobal | 12:19 PM | Would everyone agree that writing plans is more important when u start teaching and less so as you gain experience? #eltchat |
escocesa_madrid | 12:19 PM | @nickkiley SAving paper - good! #eltchat |
barbsaka | 12:19 PM | @Shaunwilden I'd include some construction and road closed signs to cover "those" days #eltchat |
barbsaka | 12:20 PM | @naomishema Maybe look at the syllabus first (for the lesson bones) and look at the page? #eltchat |
TyKendall | 12:20 PM | #eltchat i've never felt constrained by the plan even if it's been quite a tight plan,i always felt the freedom to be a maverick and wing it |
BobK99 | 12:20 PM | @escocesa_madrid #eltchat I just use Treepad. Is Evernote freeware? |
juanalejandro26 | 12:20 PM | #indeed! #AGREE +1 RT @RGMontgomery: Never have to stick to the plan #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:20 PM | RT @michelleworgan: RT @RGMontgomery: Never have to stick to the plan #eltchat|Very true! #eltchat |
michelleworgan | 12:20 PM | RT @RGMontgomery: Never have to stick to the plan #eltchat|Very true! #eltchat |
nickkiley | 12:20 PM | RT @Shaunwilden What counts never said owt gov ;-) #eltchat - You know everyone's dog-gedly avoiding it... |
escocesa_madrid | 12:20 PM | @naomishema Yes, the more experience you have the less you have to put down on paper. #eltchat |
mmgrinberg | 12:20 PM | @OUPELTGlobal Yes, and yet one's career can be full of different starting points, when we try out new things etc #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:20 PM | RT @RGMontgomery: Never have to stick to the plan #eltchat |
RGMontgomery | 12:20 PM | Never have to stick to the plan #eltchat |
PrettyButWise | 12:21 PM | RT @juanalejandro26: #indeed! #AGREE +1 RT @RGMontgomery: Never have to stick to the plan #eltchat |
mmgrinberg | 12:21 PM | I've noticed that some of my best classes were spontaneous, but with lots of things ready up the sleeve #eltchat |
theteacherjames | 12:21 PM | @Marie_Sanako We need to differentiate between having a plan & being prepared. First can be more rigid, 2nd more open. #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:21 PM | RT @Shaunwilden: @nickkiley I am shocked I thought the D-mob would be out in force on this one :-) #eltchat |
yitzha_sarwono | 12:21 PM | @KarenInGreece I always put CB in the middle of my lesson plan after some explanation and activity/games,it makes them easier to do #eltchat |
escocesa_madrid | 12:21 PM | @BobK99 Yeah, it's great! I use it for reflecting on lessons and storing ideas for future use. IT's free! #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:21 PM | @michelleworgan @RGMontgomery yes, plans are made to be changed! V uncreative not to :-) #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:21 PM | 21 minutes #eltchat |
teflerinha | 12:21 PM | RT @BrunoELT: @theteacherjames I guess we shld stick 2 the aim of the lesson, not 2 the plan . thr various ways 2 achieve 1 goal. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:21 PM | @nickkiley I am shocked I thought the D-mob would be out in force on this one :-) #eltchat |
michelleworgan | 12:21 PM | How do you make a dgme lesson plan? #eltchat |
KarenInGreece | 12:21 PM | @barbsaka And follow-up help... And good role-models from above setting good examples... but I guess that's another topic! :-) #ELTchat |
rliberni | 12:22 PM | @mmgrinberg this is often true but depends on experience I think :-) #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal | 12:22 PM | RT @mmgrinberg: I've noticed that some of my best classes were spontaneous, but with lots of things ready up the sleeve #eltchat |
TyKendall | 12:22 PM | #eltchat i've even thrown plans out the window entirely, a plan doesn't have to be a straightjacket |
rliberni | 12:22 PM | RT @mmgrinberg: I've noticed that some of my best classes were spontaneous, but with lots of things ready up the sleeve #eltchat |
michelleworgan | 12:22 PM | @BrunoELT I use evernote as if it were paper, but it is in both computers and my phone, just in case! #eltchat |
barbsaka | 12:23 PM | Maybe plans become internalized when you've taught the same level for awhile, so written plans are short cuts to remembering #eltchat |
naomishema | 12:23 PM | RT @rliberni: I think detailed plans r essential for trainees > I have to see what my Student teacher plans to do, needs to written #eltchat |
BobK99 | 12:23 PM | RT @escocesa_madrid: Why is it always paper plans they ask for? Why can't we email them? #eltchat! Or Google Docs, or Dropbox, or... |
yitzha_sarwono | 12:23 PM | @RGMontgomery true,but having a plan makes you feel better going to the classroom,knowing you are 'fully loaded' ;) #eltchat |
escocesa_madrid | 12:23 PM | @TyKendall @mmgrinberg For less experienced teachers this is a scary idea! #eltchat |
naomishema | 12:23 PM | RT @michelleworgan:How make a dgme lesson plan? #eltchat IMO because we often start with a stimulus we can be prepared for several scenarios |
TyKendall | 12:23 PM | #eltchat sorry straitjacket ** |
Shaunwilden | 12:24 PM | RT @RGMontgomery: How about what plans SHOULD NOT be? #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:24 PM | RT @barbsaka: Maybe plans become internalized when you've taught the same level for awhile, so written plans are short cuts to remembering #eltchat |
teflerinha | 12:24 PM | @naomishema Agree for trainees plans essential to see what they are thinking and why they've chosen to do etc. #eltchat |
escocesa_madrid | 12:24 PM | @naomishema But would you penalise trainees for deviating from the plan? #eltchat |
TyKendall | 12:24 PM | #eltchat so let's talk about Dogme......lol |
juanalejandro26 | 12:24 PM | obviously that having a plan is good. but you can go slow or fast, depending on the Ss level! @yitzha_sarwono @RGMontgomery #eltchat |
RGMontgomery | 12:24 PM | How about what plans SHOULD NOT be? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:24 PM | Can I ask where we are going with #eltchat - we sort of all agree on the basics ideas of plans and their uses / limitations so..... |
RGMontgomery | 12:24 PM | When my husb stud-taught, his cooperating teach gave him her plans & said, "These were my mom's plans. Now you use them." #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:24 PM | How important is sticking to the plan for the organisation? #eltchat |
TutorMe_Online | 12:24 PM | @mmgrinberg Definitely - plan several avenues to reach eventual aim of lesson then use those which feel right/work on the day #eltchat |
juanalejandro26 | 12:25 PM | non-productive. Ss have to practice and the plan has to be that way! RT @RGMontgomery: How about what plans SHOULD NOT be? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:25 PM | RT @rliberni: How imp is sticking to the plan for the organisation? #eltchat - Can you explain? Do u mean in terms of 'covering' material? |
naomishema | 12:25 PM | @escocesa_madrid # eltchat - Certainly not as i would see trainee repsonding to class situation, but these are my SS and I'm responsible |
OUPELTGlobal | 12:25 PM | @rliberni Maybe the organisation simply wants to know you know what you're doing. Not sure a detailed plan is the best way #eltchat |
PrettyButWise | 12:25 PM | @barbsaka it needs concentration in planning and time #eltchat although it's imp ! |
mmgrinberg | 12:25 PM | Yday I spent 2 hours designing a handout for a 1-2-2 class, but didn't quite like th result, I wish I'd winged it #eltchat |
KarenInGreece | 12:25 PM | @yitzha_sarwono Good idea, I try to do that too. #ELTchat |
theteacherjames | 12:25 PM | RT @BrunoELT: @theteacherjames I guess we shld stick to the aim of the lesson, not to the plan itself. There various ways to achieve one goal. #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal | 12:26 PM | YOu shouldn't on a plan so much that it saps your enthusiasm to actually teach it #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:26 PM | @Shaunwilden so are there any cons actually ? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:26 PM | @TutorMe_Online For me it depends on the relevance of the ? to lesson and whole class #eltchat |
escocesa_madrid | 12:26 PM | @naomishema The reflection on how it went is just as important. #eltchat |
BobK99 | 12:26 PM | RT @RGMontgomery: How about what plans SHOULD NOT be? #eltchat ! Longer than number_TBD pages? I'd say N=1 ! |
naomishema | 12:26 PM | @escocesa_madrid #eltchat - Certainly not as i would see trainee repsonding to class situation, but these are my SS and I'm responsible |
TutorMe_Online | 12:26 PM | How do u deal with student qu's that are valid, but if gone into full, will derail lesson plan/not leave time to reach lesson goal? #eltchat |
mmgrinberg | 12:27 PM | @escocesa_madrid @TyKendall But I AM a 'less experienced' teacher - 1 yr post celta #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:27 PM | RT @rliberni: Are plans single entities or parts of a whole? #eltchat Both :-) |
juanalejandro26 | 12:27 PM | RT @TyKendall: #eltchat i never start with the plan, always "chat" with the ss before plan kicks in @mmgrinberg |
rliberni | 12:27 PM | RT @Shaunwilden: @rliberni Sticking to it rigidly? Overplanning so rushing sts thru things? Putting material over sts? #eltchat |
TyKendall | 12:27 PM | #eltchat i never start with the plan, always "chat" with the ss before plan kicks in @mmgrinberg |
rliberni | 12:27 PM | Are plans single entities or parts of a whole? #eltchat |
barbsaka | 12:27 PM | Sometimes schools included planning time, sometimes not. RT @BrunoELT: Do you guys get paid for planning lessons? #eltchat |
escocesa_madrid | 12:27 PM | RT @Shaunwilden: @rliberni Sticking to it rigidly? Overplanning so rushing sts thru things? Putting material over sts? #eltchat |
Marisa_C | 12:27 PM | Hi all sorry to be late - just finished session on, guess what... lesson planning :-D #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:27 PM | @rliberni Sticking to it rigidly? Overplanning so rushing sts thru things? Putting material over sts? #eltchat |
michelleworgan | 12:27 PM | RT @mmgrinberg: The problem is - having a written plan often prevents me from seeing/hearing/feeling my ss well at the beginning of a lesson #eltchat |
juanalejandro26 | 12:27 PM | RT @Shaunwilden: @TutorMe_Online For me it depends on the relevance of the ? to lesson and whole class #eltchat |
mmgrinberg | 12:27 PM | The problem is - having a written plan often prevents me from seeing/hearing/feeling my ss well at the beginning of a lesson #eltchat |
mmgrinberg | 12:28 PM | @TyKendall @juanalejandro26 I do chat w 'em, but then the plan kicks in and sort of blurs my vision #eltchat |
barbsaka | 12:28 PM | @Marisa_C Happy to be home for a few weeks :) #ELTchat |
escocesa_madrid | 12:28 PM | @mmgrinberg Me too! I'm doing the CELTA at the moment! #eltchat |
barbsaka | 12:28 PM | @BrunoELT Seems like they would. I did :) #eltchat |
BobK99 | 12:28 PM | RT @escocesa_madrid: @naomishema The reflection on how it went is just as imp. #eltchat ! The LP form on my PGCE had a sec for just that |
Marisa_C | 12:28 PM | @barbsaka Great to see you Lynn Carlucci :-D of the filelights.... #ELTchat |
TyKendall | 12:28 PM | #eltchat me too! im only a year out of uni, you just have to go for it!@mmgrinberg |
michelleworgan | 12:28 PM | @rliberni Should be part of a whole - e.g.your term's programme #eltchat |
barbsaka | 12:28 PM | @Marisa_C Welcome, Marisa! #ELTchat |
Marisa_C | 12:28 PM | RT @rliberni: Are plans single entities or parts of a whole? #eltchat > should be part of a syllabus |
michelleworgan | 12:29 PM | How important is it for Sts to see hat u have planned? #eltchat |
TutorMe_Online | 12:29 PM | @Shaunwilden Good point-if not relevant, may offer to go through ? with student separately after class but wouldn't reject #eltchat |
yitzha_sarwono | 12:29 PM | @mmgrinberg I have what I call greeting sessions; i use it to ask them to talk about things that will have connection to the lesson #eltchat |
TyKendall | 12:29 PM | #eltchat yeah i understand that, i think its a balancing act really @mmgrinberg |
PrettyButWise | 12:29 PM | RT @OUPELTGlobal: @rliberni Maybe the organisation simply wants to know you know what you're doing. Not sure a detailed plan is the best way #eltchat |
TyKendall | 12:30 PM | #eltchat but you know that when some ss see you looking at lesson plan they are thinking "does he really know, why does he need to read that |
nutrich | 12:30 PM | bit late & dunno if it's been mentioned - not much point over-planning with little kids, need to go with the flow a bit #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:30 PM | @rliberni @michelleworgan I advice teachers to put a miniplan on the board so sts can see where the lesson is going #eltchat |
TutorMe_Online | 12:30 PM | @Shaunwilden Good idea #eltchat |
teflerinha | 12:30 PM | RT @michelleworgan: How important is it for Sts to see hat u have planned? Perceived value! Prob quite imp act #eltchat |
TutorMe_Online | 12:30 PM | @timjulian60 Agreed!Or hopefully find way of weaving back into original plan from that new avenue later! Not always possible though #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:30 PM | RT @michelleworgan: How important is it for Sts to see hat u have planned? #eltchat Great question! |
Shaunwilden | 12:30 PM | @TutorMe_Online Yes or if it is imp maybe deal with it next lesson as a whole? #eltchat |
barbsaka | 12:30 PM | @michelleworgan Important to appear prepared, but not sure that paper lesson plans always show that :) #eltchat |
TyKendall | 12:30 PM | @michelleworgan #eltchat quite important, but some perceive it as not being prepared enough some expect it memorized |
rliberni | 12:31 PM | RT @michelleworgan: Even if sts can tell u haven't prepared, do they mind? Or do they prefer the class to flow naturally? #eltchat |
Marisa_C | 12:31 PM | TENOR = Teaching English for No Obvious Reason #ELTchat |
jobethsteel | 12:31 PM | #eltchat i always have some kind of plan but dont usually stick to it - good to review afterwards to see wot worked |
mmgrinberg | 12:31 PM | I've tried writing lplans _after_ the lesson and I've found it amazing #eltchat Whabout u? |
escocesa_madrid | 12:31 PM | @nutrich Yes, I agree. As long as you have lots of ideas up your sleeve! #eltchat |
naomishema | 12:31 PM | RT @TyKendall: #eltchat but you know that when some ss see you looking at lesson plan they are thinking "does he really know, why does he need to read that |
BobK99 | 12:31 PM | RT @michelleworgan: How important is it for Sts to see hat u have planned? #eltchat ! Yes, and that planning is nec. A colleague on my 1/2 |
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JoHart | 12:31 PM | @BrunoELT #ELTchat - they are probably covering their *ss*s/meeting audit reqs - I only use plans 4 that as always "teach what I see" |
michelleworgan | 12:31 PM | Even if sts can tell u haven't prepared, do they mind? Or do they prefer the class to flow naturally? #eltchat |
KarenInGreece | 12:31 PM | How many of you are given a syllabus to follow by your school? #ELTchat |
theteacherjames | 12:31 PM | RT @barbsaka: @michelleworgan Important to appear prepared, but not sure that paper lesson plans always show that :) #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:31 PM | @michelleworgan for my students essential it's part of the value for their investment #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal | 12:31 PM | @michelleworgan I think it's imp for sts to see you know what you're doing, that you have an aim - transmits a sense of credibiilty #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:32 PM | RT @mmgrinberg: I've tried writing lplans _after_ the lesson and I've found it amazing #eltchat Whabout u? |
rliberni | 12:32 PM | @michelleworgan I doubt it will flow I think there will be a plan of sorts in your head #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal | 12:32 PM | RT @Marisa_C: TENOR = Teaching English for No Obvious Reason #ELTchat #eltchat |
theteacherjames | 12:32 PM | RT @Marisa_C: TENOR = Teaching English for No Obvious Reason #ELTchat |
michelleworgan | 12:32 PM | RT @Shaunwilden: @michelleworgan Good ? - have u ever asked sts at the end of the class what they thought the lesson was about - it often differs #eltchat |
nickkiley | 12:32 PM | RT @Marisa_C: TENOR = Teaching English for No Obvious Reason #ELTchat Great! THat's going on my training courses |
juanalejandro26 | 12:32 PM | #LOL RT @Marisa_C: TENOR = Teaching English for No Obvious Reason #ELTchat |
naomishema | 12:32 PM | RT @escocesa_madrid: @nutrich Yes, I agree. As long as you have lots of ideas up your sleeve! #eltchat > ideas - here's the place! |
Shaunwilden | 12:32 PM | @michelleworgan Good ? - have u ever asked sts at the end of the class what they thought the lesson was about - it often differs #eltchat |
jobethsteel | 12:33 PM | @Shaunwilden #eltchat me too |
3ty3 | 12:33 PM | @mmgrinberg Must always have a good plan but undoubtedly many of the best lessons happen when it's thrown out the window #eltchat |
michelleworgan | 12:33 PM | I think we are allowed to deviate from plan for those emergent moments! #eltchat |
escocesa_madrid | 12:33 PM | @mmgrinberg Yes, I find that I always end up extending one of the activities I'd planned, adn cutting out a few others. #eltchat |
nutrich | 12:33 PM | @naomishema @escocesa_madrid YL lessons can be half-filled with regular routines and so only a bit changes, makes planning easier #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:33 PM | RT @Marisa_C: TENOR = Teaching English for No Obvious Reason #ELTchat |
juanalejandro26 | 12:33 PM | RT @RGMontgomery: Sometimes my plans say something like, "organized chaos." Or in my head they do. #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:33 PM | @mmgrinberg good idea what about getting stds to write the plan & see if it tallies with yours? #eltchat |
RGMontgomery | 12:33 PM | Sometimes my plans say something like, "organized chaos." Or in my head they do. #eltchat |
BobK99 | 12:33 PM | @michelleworgan #eltchat 2/2 PGCE course had an acitivity where a prize (for another act) was to plan next lesson (given SoW) |
JoHart | 12:34 PM | #ELTchat need for plan depends on skill/confidence of person being required to produce plan - for newb it may provide sheet anchor! |
michelleworgan | 12:34 PM | @nutrich I agree, with YLs it's important to be v flexible #eltchat |
naomishema | 12:34 PM | @nutrich #eltchat - young learners and special ed love routines with only some changes - I agree! |
RGMontgomery | 12:34 PM | Valuable 4 students to know you have a plan & know your stuff. They can tell when I wing it. #eltchat |
Marisa_C | 12:34 PM | Actually not the plan, but I asked Ss to identify the lesson OBJECTIVES - HUUUUUGE mismatch #ELTchat |
juanalejandro26 | 12:34 PM | RT @nutrich: @naomishema @escocesa_madrid YL lessons can be half-filled with regular routines and so only a bit changes, makes planning easier #eltchat |
theteacherjames | 12:34 PM | Best teacher I ever worked with prepared a lot & to her no plan was ever complete. After every class she went back & improved it. #ELTchat |
mmgrinberg | 12:34 PM | @rliberni Gr8 idea, but my ss are either beginners or we have very few contact hours (biz execs) #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:34 PM | RT @nutrich: @naomishema @escocesa_madrid YL lessons can be half-filled with regular routines and so only a bit changes, makes planning easier #eltchat |
nutrich | 12:34 PM | RT @RGMontgomery: Sometimes my plans say something like, "organized chaos." Or in my head they do. #eltchat |
yitzha_sarwono | 12:34 PM | RT @Marisa_C: TENOR = Teaching English for No Obvious Reason #ELTchat |
TutorMe_Online | 12:34 PM | @timjulian60 Yes - so student led 'interruptions' more important to pursue than original lesson plan if relevant/helpful to all #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:34 PM | RT @RGMontgomery: Sometimes my plans say something like, "organized chaos." Or in my head they do. #eltchat |
timjulian60 | 12:34 PM | @KarenInGreece we have a syllabus but it is negotiable #eltchat |
nickkiley | 12:34 PM | RT @rliberni: @mmgrinberg good idea what about getting stds to write the plan & see if it tallies with yours? #eltchat Useful feedback |
Marisa_C | 12:34 PM | RT @rliberni: @mmgrinberg good idea 4 stds to write the plan & see if it tallies with yours? #eltchat > did that in my dissertation |
Scipio_Pater | 12:35 PM | RT @cybraryman1: “He who fails to plan, plans to fail†My Lesson Plans page: http://t.co/btcmfGr8 #ELTchat #ntchat #elemchat |
RGMontgomery | 12:35 PM | No bad teachers only bad lesson plans or "no bad lesson plans only bad teachers" #eltchat |
juanalejandro26 | 12:35 PM | RT @Shaunwilden: RT @michelleworgan: @nutrich I agree, with YLs it's important to be v flexible #eltchat I think flexibility is imp no matter what age |
rliberni | 12:35 PM | RT @mmgrinberg: Have you ever tried non-linear plans - spidergrams / diagrams etc? Thinking abt that #eltchat |
KarenInGreece | 12:35 PM | @timjulian60 Lucky you, that would be nice! #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:35 PM | RT @michelleworgan: @nutrich I agree, with YLs it's important to be v flexible #eltchat I think flexibility is imp no matter what age |
mmgrinberg | 12:35 PM | Have you ever tried non-linear plans - spidergrams / diagrams etc? Thinking abt that #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:35 PM | @RGMontgomery @Marisa_C was your plan successful a/c to student feedback - did they 'get' it? #eltchat |
nutrich | 12:35 PM | with YLs I rarely feel I have the time to look at a plan - it needs to be in my head #eltchat |
juanalejandro26 | 12:35 PM | RT @JoHart: #ELTchat need for plan depends on skill/confidence of person being required to produce plan - for newb it may provide sheet anchor! |
Marie_Sanako | 12:35 PM | @theteacherjames yes, I agree with that - have a plan and be happy to deviate if nec #eltchat |
timjulian60 | 12:35 PM | @TutorMe_Online absolutely. Succintly put! #eltchat |
BobK99 | 12:35 PM | RT @barbsaka: @michelleworgan... not sure that paper lesson plans always show that :) #eltchat ! Good point. Too easy to fool oneself! |
Marisa_C | 12:36 PM | Ts need to respond to developing, emerging needs at various points in lesson #ELTchat |
mmgrinberg | 12:36 PM | RT @3ty3: @Marisa_C @rliberni @mmgrinberg absolutely -- the more sts engage & do the planning the better #eltchat Agree |
jobethsteel | 12:36 PM | @Shaunwilden #eltchat someone elses plan def useful for ideas but not always easy to follow |
BobK99 | 12:36 PM | @rliberni #eltchat If you keep using it (LP) as a crutch, you're always going to limp! |
RGMontgomery | 12:36 PM | @rliberni I think my students felt proud of their learning. They saw a big picture of all they had learned. #eltchat |
timjulian60 | 12:36 PM | @KarenInGreece and I write 'em so that's even better! #eltchat |
nutrich | 12:36 PM | RT @Marisa_C: We always advise trainees that the plan is not the Holy Bible - no matter how much blood sweat & tears into it #ELTchat |
escocesa_madrid | 12:36 PM | @nutrich Yes, true. I have a marble jar in one class, counting the marbles is a regular routine that takes more time each class! #eltchat |
Marisa_C | 12:36 PM | We always advise trainees that the plan is not the Holy Bible - no matter how much blood sweat & tears into it #ELTchat |
3ty3 | 12:36 PM | @Marisa_C @rliberni @mmgrinberg absolutely -- the more sts engage & do the planning the better #eltchat |
PrettyButWise | 12:36 PM | anyone has got lesson plan formulation/form ? Share it plz #eltchat I'd like to see some :) |
juanalejandro26 | 12:36 PM | RT @RGMontgomery: "No bad teachers only bad lesson plans" or "no bad lesson plans only bad teachers" #eltchat |
nutrich | 12:36 PM | RT @Shaunwilden: RT @michelleworgan: @nutrich I agree, with YLs it's imp to be v flexible #eltchat flexibility is imp no matter what age |
escocesa_madrid | 12:37 PM | @naomishema Bye! #eltchat |
yitzha_sarwono | 12:37 PM | RT @theteacherjames: Best teacher I ever worked with prepared a lot & to her no plan was ever complete. After every class she went back & improved it. #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:37 PM | RT @rliberni: @BobK99 surely every LP is different? #eltchat - You'd think so after all every class is different |
Marie_Sanako | 12:37 PM | RT @RGMontgomery: Making sure students R aware of wht they have learned helps them feel their work was worthwhile. Important 2 say, "What U learned." #eltchat |
kirkymon | 12:37 PM | As an admin, I like to see where a teacher has been and where they are headed. As a teacher, I don't always have time for that. #eltchat |
naomishema | 12:37 PM | #eltchat - Sorry! Got to go! Nice chatting with you all! |
Marisa_C | 12:37 PM | What lesson shapes do you use for different age groups? #ELTchat |
rliberni | 12:37 PM | @BobK99 surely every LP is different? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:37 PM | @jobethsteel Hi Jo, nice to see you here #eltchat |
mmgrinberg | 12:37 PM | RT @BobK99: @rliberni #eltchat If you keep using it (LP) as a crutch, you're always going to limp! > Agree. Write an LP and FORGET IT |
Marisa_C | 12:37 PM | Do you plan the same way for adults as you plan for teens or adult learners? #ELTchat |
juanalejandro26 | 12:37 PM | #eltchat parenthesis: I'm amazed on how you can share everything you know... I am really #WOWED |
PrettyButWise | 12:37 PM | RT @RGMontgomery: "No bad teachers only bad lesson plans" or "no bad lesson plans only bad teachers" #eltchat |
RGMontgomery | 12:37 PM | Making sure students R aware of wht they have learned helps them feel their work was worthwhile. Important 2 say, "What U learned." #eltchat |
teflerinha | 12:37 PM | RT @Marisa_C: Ts need to respond to developing, emerging needs at various points in lesson #ELTchat |
nutrich | 12:37 PM | @escocesa_madrid Lol. Do you keep adding more?! #ELTchat |
PrettyButWise | 12:38 PM | @Marisa_C I think age controls lesson plans , with young learners u need to plan more creativity #eltchat |
Marisa_C | 12:38 PM | @BrunoELT Not a mistake - I strongly believe lesson aims should be in public scrutiny by Ss #ELTchat and part of lesson evaluation |
escocesa_madrid | 12:38 PM | @nutrich Marbles are added to the jar for good behaviour and good work. Or taken away. #ELTchat |
adgerian | 12:38 PM | RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @Marisa_C: TENOR = Teaching English for No Obvious Reason #ELTchat #eltchat |
kirkymon | 12:38 PM | In terms of planning I mean. #eltchat |
juanalejandro26 | 12:38 PM | RT @kirkymon: As an admin, I like to see where a teacher has been and where they are headed. As a teacher, I don't always have time for that. #eltchat |
teflerinha | 12:39 PM | #eltchat Tweetdeck playing up and work calls (sadly) Great chat tho' |
TyKendall | 12:39 PM | #eltchat right im off, i'll be here for the full hour tonight though! bye folks.....DOGME! (just to annoy shaun) |
Marisa_C | 12:39 PM | RT @PrettyButWise: @Marisa_C I think age controls lesson plans , with young learners u need to plan more creativity #eltchat >& shorter bits |
rliberni | 12:39 PM | @BobK99 I disagree I think an LP is a map or guide, a way of organising content , time & even thoughts and V learner focused #eltchat |
timjulian60 | 12:39 PM | have to go and teach now - without a plan! Curse you, #eltchat! |
Marisa_C | 12:40 PM | RT @escocesa_madrid: For teens and adults there tend to be fewer activities, and they vary more. For YLs there's more routine. #ELTchat |
yitzha_sarwono | 12:40 PM | @naomishema see you later Naomi! have a great day ^^ . and I love your Puffin! ;) #eltchat |
nutrich | 12:40 PM | @escocesa_madrid ah, ok. #ELTchat |
rliberni | 12:40 PM | @mmgrinberg @BobK99 are our LPs working docs or produced for 3rd parties to keep tabs on us? #eltchat |
yearinthelifeof | 12:40 PM | I write my lesson plan after the lesson has finished. I have aims/objectives in mind but how we get there is flexible... #eltchat |
juanalejandro26 | 12:40 PM | RT @escocesa_madrid: @Marisa_C No. For teens and adults there tend to be fewer activities, and they vary more. For YLs there's more routine. #ELTchat |
escocesa_madrid | 12:40 PM | @Marisa_C No. For teens and adults there tend to be fewer activities, and they vary more. For YLs there's more routine. #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:40 PM | @Marisa_C @BrunoELT Really, I can think of some many flaws in doing that #eltchat |
Marisa_C | 12:40 PM | @timjulian60 Ho ho :-D #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:41 PM | @BobK99 why odd? #eltchat |
JoHart | 12:41 PM | @PrettyButWise ... & wld def not group adolescent with adult with very mature age as learning prefs all v different #ELTchat |
mmgrinberg | 12:41 PM | @rliberni I've gone freelance, but earlier this year, my DOS asked to submit YL plans prior to the lesson and that was _so_ cool! #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:41 PM | RT @timjulian60: have to go and teach now - without a plan! Curse you, #eltchat! I'm sure it's in your head! |
BobK99 | 12:41 PM | @rliberni #eltchat That's odd - I agree! |
yearinthelifeof | 12:41 PM | ...the 'plan' is useful for the next time I have to teach the same material so I can reflect on what happened. Am I alone in this? #eltchat |
PrettyButWise | 12:41 PM | RT @Marisa_C: RT @PrettyButWise: @Marisa_C I think age controls lesson plans , with young learners u need to plan more creativity #eltchat >& shorter bits |
nutrich | 12:41 PM | RT @Marisa_C: RT @escocesa_madrid: For teens and adults there tend to be fewer activities, and they vary more. For YLs there's more routine. #ELTchat |
OUPELTGlobal | 12:41 PM | RT @rliberni: @mmgrinberg @BobK99 are our LPs working docs or produced for 3rd parties to keep tabs on us? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:41 PM | @yearinthelifeof So why do you write the plan? #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:42 PM | RT @Marie_Sanako: @yearinthelifeof if you write it afterwards, surely it's not a plan ;-) #eltchat |
BobK99 | 12:42 PM | @rliberni #eltchat Because they're essential working docs. |
OUPELTGlobal | 12:42 PM | @yearinthelifeof I never actually reused my lesson plans. I remembered what worked and needed to adapt for a different class #eltchat |
nutrich | 12:42 PM | Writing a plan helps me memorise the stages, even if I never look at it during the class it's useful (not that I always do it!) #ELTchat |
Marisa_C | 12:42 PM | At the end of the day tho do u think that paper/e-based LP makes a lesson better? #ELTchat or have i missed this episode? sorry was late |
Marie_Sanako | 12:42 PM | @yearinthelifeof if you write it afterwards, surely it's not a plan ;-) #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:43 PM | RT @nutrich: Writing a plan helps me memorise the stages, even if I never look at it during the class it's useful (not that I always do it!) #ELTchat |
nutrich | 12:43 PM | @Marie_Sanako @yearinthelifeof @rliberni It could serve as a plan for a future lesson! ;) #ELTchat |
rliberni | 12:43 PM | RT @Marisa_C: At the end of the day tho do u think that paper/e-based LP makes a lesson better? #ELTchat or have i missed this episode? sorry was late |
yitzha_sarwono | 12:44 PM | @Marisa_C it makes a lesson flows in a better and more constructive way in my opinion #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:44 PM | @OUPELTGlobal me neither every one is unique #eltchat |
kirkymon | 12:44 PM | @OUPELTGlobal @rliberni @mmgrinberg @BobK99 it helps to have a plan in case of illness #eltchat |
nutrich | 12:44 PM | @michelleworgan yep, that's true #eltchat |
yearinthelifeof | 12:44 PM | @Marie_Sanako It's a map of what happened, what ss asked/issues they raised, unexpected directions-leaves room for dogme+helps... #eltchat |
nickkiley | 12:44 PM | #eltchat How about getting students to write the outline for the next lesson? |
michelleworgan | 12:44 PM | @nutrich Yes and the plan helps have the learning objectives clear in your head too #eltchat |
theteacherjames | 12:45 PM | I write an outline (prefer that to plan) of the lesson so I can think through the way I'd like it to go, inc teachable moments. #ELTchat |
barbsaka | 12:45 PM | @Marisa_C Lesson plan shape? Is that a CELTA thing? #ELTchat |
nutrich | 12:45 PM | RT @lauraahaha: RT @nickkiley #eltchat How about getting students to write the outline for the next lesson? < Now there's an idea!! |
barbsaka | 12:45 PM | @naomishema Have a good day, Naomi! #eltchat |
michelleworgan | 12:45 PM | @kirkymon TRue, I have covered classes with no plans, but I haven't had a day off for 10 years lol! #eltchat |
yearinthelifeof | 12:45 PM | @Marie_Sanako ...get ready for when I return to compulsory coursebook next time. Not a plan as such, but a reflective guide #eltchat |
Marisa_C | 12:45 PM | RT @michelleworgan: @nutrich Yes & plan helps have the learning objectives clear in your head too #eltchat > if clear in the 1st place |
lauraahaha | 12:45 PM | RT @nickkiley #eltchat How about getting students to write the outline for the next lesson? < Now there's an idea!! |
barbsaka | 12:45 PM | @Marisa_C Mostly, planning is same. But YL plan have many more bits to fill same time :) #ELTchat |
theteacherjames | 12:46 PM | @nutrich Plan just sounds too prescriptive to me, especially of the CELTA type. #eltchat |
Marisa_C | 12:46 PM | @barbsaka By change, I mean using the same mat or context in may diff ways - for short spells of time #ELTchat |
nutrich | 12:46 PM | @theteacherjames yep, I like the idea of an outline too #eltchat |
michelleworgan | 12:46 PM | RT @theteacherjames: I write an outline (prefer that to plan) of the lesson so I can think through the way I'd like it to go, inc teachable moments. #ELTchat |
Marisa_C | 12:46 PM | RT @barbsaka: @Marisa_C Mostly, planning same. But YL plan have many more bits to fill same time :) #ELTchat > fully agree; or more changes |
rliberni | 12:47 PM | @BobK99 yes I think they are (& I don't care what the powers that be want - they're for me & my learners) #eltchat |
nutrich | 12:47 PM | @theteacherjames yep #eltchat |
michelleworgan | 12:47 PM | @Marisa_C Same content/language but more variety of activities? #eltchat I often come up with games/activities on the spur of the moment |
barbsaka | 12:47 PM | @Marisa_C Fully agree with changes! :) #ELTchat |
nutrich | 12:47 PM | Do you write a plan on the board at the start of the lesson showing the ss the stages? Or pics of activities for YLs? #eltchat |
BobK99 | 12:47 PM | RT @barbsaka: @Marisa_C Lesson plan shape? Is that a CELTA thing? #ELTchat ! Rings a faint bell. Was 'hourglass' one, or 'hamburger'... |
kirkymon | 12:47 PM | @michelleworgan It's so frustrating to ask a sub to cover and I have no idea what's been taught. #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:48 PM | @kirkymon maybe but in my exp subs usually do their own thing (the lesson up your sleeve!) #eltchat |
lauraahaha | 12:48 PM | I like to write lesson 'frames' which help me remember what I'm doing (bad memory x5 lessons/day sometimes!) but allow me to react. #eltchat |
harrisonmike | 12:48 PM | @nutrich Main topic areas, skills I hope will be developed, and how (individual work/pair/group work) #eltchat Sometimes nothing tho |
yearinthelifeof | 12:48 PM | In case anyone's interested... Lesson planning: for dummies? « one year http://t.co/odsBXdyh #ELTchat |
PrettyButWise | 12:48 PM | @JoHart yeah and mostly young learners classes have the age cohort and we lose it as we having eldest learners #eltchat |
CAnastasiadiELT | 12:48 PM | RT @Marisa_C: @theteacherjames CELTA type plans have to be written by CELTA trainees for training purposes - I don't writet plans like that #eltchat |
barbsaka | 12:48 PM | @Marisa_C I don't think there was a consensus about value of LP. A bit all over the map today :) #ELTchat |
Marisa_C | 12:48 PM | @theteacherjames But can do if I need to - can all Ts if they need to? #eltchat |
Marisa_C | 12:48 PM | @theteacherjames CELTA type plans have to be written by CELTA trainees for training purposes - I don't writet plans like that #eltchat |
michelleworgan | 12:48 PM | @nutrich No but it sounds like a brilliant idea! #eltchat |
barbsaka | 12:49 PM | Absolutely! RT @kirkymon: @OUPELTGlobal @rliberni @mmgrinberg @BobK99 it helps to have a plan in case of illness #eltchat |
michelleworgan | 12:49 PM | @lauraahaha Sounds good, what do the frames look like? #eltchat |
Marisa_C | 12:49 PM | @barbsaka I think lesson planning while training is like doing the scales when training to be a pianist #ELTchat |
theteacherjames | 12:49 PM | @Marisa_C I'm very glad I did it, it helped me understand the structure of a lesson. #eltchat |
nutrich | 12:49 PM | @harrisonmike I've tried it, but got out of the habit. I like the "I hope" bit of that! ;) #ELTchat |
OUPELTGlobal | 12:49 PM | I worked a lot iwth state school teachers - large classes, mixed ability, low motivation - lesson plans proved very useful to them #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:49 PM | RT @theteacherjames: I write an outline (prefer that to plan) of the lesson so I can think through the way I'd like it to go, inc teachable moments. #ELTchat |
yitzha_sarwono | 12:49 PM | RT @yearinthelifeof: In case anyone's interested... Lesson planning: for dummies? « one year http://t.co/odsBXdyh #ELTchat |
michelleworgan | 12:49 PM | RT @lauraahaha: I like to write lesson 'frames' which help me remember what I'm doing (bad memory x5 lessons/day sometimes!) but allow me to react. #eltchat |
JoHart | 12:49 PM | RT @rliberni: @kirkymon maybe but in my exp subs usually do their own thing (the lesson up your sleeve!) #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:49 PM | RT @lauraahaha: I like to write lesson 'frames' which help me remember what I'm doing (bad memory x5 lessons/day sometimes!) but allow me to react. #eltchat |
nutrich | 12:49 PM | @michelleworgan you can have pics for songs, games, writing etc to show kids the stages and tick them off as u go #eltchat |
JoHart | 12:49 PM | @kirkymon Hmm! does this mean sub cannot evaluate and use time to consolidate/practise existing level of understanding? #ELTchat |
yitzha_sarwono | 12:49 PM | RT @theteacherjames: I write an outline (prefer that to plan) of the lesson so I can think through the way I'd like it to go, inc teachable moments. #ELTchat |
JoHart | 12:50 PM | @rliberni I probably would - it is very hard to work to someone else's plan as it rarely quite gels with one's own style #ELTchat |
yitzha_sarwono | 12:50 PM | @lauraahaha i like that term; lesson frames :) .kinda like what i'm doing in my school now #eltchat |
Marisa_C | 12:50 PM | @theteacherjamesNotpossible to produce the same amount of detail for 30 hours of teaching every week - but all in my head though #eltchat |
kirkymon | 12:50 PM | @rliberni yes, but a page number or something would be helpful #eltchat |
barbsaka | 12:50 PM | @Marisa_C And even experienced pianists still practice those scales! #ELTchat |
rliberni | 12:50 PM | RT @kirkymon: @michelleworgan It's so frustrating to ask a sub to cover and I have no idea what's been taught. #eltchat |
harrisonmike | 12:50 PM | @kirkymon @michelleworgan A post-plan would be better here - what 'has been taught' -rather than a LP written before the event #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:50 PM | @nutrich @michelleworgan Nice idea for some reason I make a list for adults but never thought of doing it with YL #eltchat |
michelleworgan | 12:50 PM | RT @Marisa_C: @barbsaka I think lesson planning while training is like doing the scales when training to be a pianist #ELTchat |
barbsaka | 12:50 PM | Yep! RT @Marisa_C: @barbsaka I think lesson planning while training is like doing the scales when training to be a pianist #ELTchat |
CAnastasiadiELT | 12:51 PM | with experience some things become automated so no need to write them down #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:51 PM | @KarenInGreece what do you mean by better? #eltchat |
nutrich | 12:51 PM | @Shaunwilden @michelleworgan for VYLs it can help with showing how much time is left, coz '20 mins' doesn't mean anything! #eltchat |
Marisa_C | 12:51 PM | @barbsaka: @Marisa_C And even experienced pianists still practice those scales! #ELTchat > Thaaaaank you! Than was to be my next tweet! |
jobethsteel | 12:51 PM | RT @barbsaka @Marisa_C Lesson plan shape? Is that a CELTA thing? #ELTchat ive certainly used the word 'shape' before on celtas |
rliberni | 12:51 PM | @kirkymon I've always found the students know exactly where they are & what they've done #eltchat |
theteacherjames | 12:51 PM | RT @Marisa_C: @barbsaka I think lesson planning while training is like doing the scales when training to be a pianist #ELTchat |
KarenInGreece | 12:51 PM | i.e. I would like to learn how to make better lesson plans based on CBs #ELTchat |
CAnastasiadiELT | 12:51 PM | + some teachers just off CELTA try to continue typing up really long plans sometimes to the detriment of their health! #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:51 PM | @JoHart I agree & it's a chance to work off-plan! #eltchat |
barbsaka | 12:52 PM | Been making lesson plans for 20+ years, and still go back to Bloom's Taxonomy for objective writing :) #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:52 PM | RT @CAnastasiadiELT: with experience some things become automated so no need to write them down #eltchat Can't this be a bad thing? |
mmgrinberg | 12:52 PM | RT @PrettyButWise: @nutrich i think it's bad idea to write it #eltchat why? |
OUPELTGlobal | 12:52 PM | RT @CAnastasiadiELT: with experience some things become automated so no need to write them down #eltchat |
Marisa_C | 12:52 PM | RT @CAnastasiadiELT: with experience some things become automated so no need to write them down #eltchat > gd, important point |
rliberni | 12:52 PM | @Marisa_C me nether but I did & it was great training #eltchat |
michelleworgan | 12:52 PM | @nutrich And it keeps them on task, knowing they have another activity to do when they've finished this one! #eltchat |
PrettyButWise | 12:52 PM | @nutrich i think it's bad idea to write it #eltchat |
nickkiley | 12:53 PM | @lauraahaha #eltchat I'm going to try it next lesson ;-) |
Marisa_C | 12:53 PM | @Shaunwilden Can be if all same same same same #eltchat |
CAnastasiadiELT | 12:53 PM | @Shaunwilden how do you mean? I mean feedback foe example, or grouping arrangements #eltchat |
JoHart | 12:53 PM | @kirkymon @rliberni Hmm! don't do "Page nos" admit I am not ESL but literacy focussed & we don't use std texts for teaching #ELTchat |
rliberni | 12:53 PM | RT @yearinthelifeof: In case anyone's interested... Lesson planning: for dummies? « one year http://t.co/odsBXdyh #ELTchat |
LizziePinard | 12:53 PM | #eltchat hullo everyone sorry for missing most of it! |
rliberni | 12:53 PM | @barbsaka I think we all agree they are a good thing but we should be creative with them post training #eltchat |
kirkymon | 12:53 PM | It depends on the ability of the sub. At the last minute the best sub isn't always available. #eltchat |
barbsaka | 12:54 PM | @yitzha_sarwono Love it! #eltchat |
jobethsteel | 12:54 PM | RT @lauraahaha RT @nickkiley #eltchat How about getting students to write the outline for the next lesson? < Now there's an idea!! Like! |
barbsaka | 12:54 PM | @nutrich Thanks for your great contributions! #eltchat |
CAnastasiadiELT | 12:54 PM | RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden Can be if all same same same same #eltchat yes |
escocesa_madrid | 12:54 PM | @nutrich Bye! #eltchat |
yitzha_sarwono | 12:54 PM | @mmgrinberg I spare 15 mins to ask their opinions on certain things related to topic like exp when i want to talk about past tense #eltchat |
mmgrinberg | 12:54 PM | RT @barbsaka: @rliberni Totally agree. Having a map makes it easier to change directions in class :) #eltchat |
nutrich | 12:54 PM | short but sweet - it was good to take part in a bit of #eltchat again, got to dash now though. Bye! |
barbsaka | 12:54 PM | @rliberni Totally agree. Having a map makes it easier to change directions in class :) #eltchat |
PrettyButWise | 12:54 PM | RT @KarenInGreece: i.e. I would like to learn how to make better lesson plans based on CBs #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:54 PM | @CAnastasiadiELT Automation can lead to complacency stops people thinking about the actual class at hand #eltchat |
kirkymon | 12:55 PM | @rliberni yes, but they don't always arrive until near class time and I'd like to give the don something to work with. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:55 PM | RT @barbsaka: So, with 5 mins left, who would like to volunteer to summarize the "road map" of this chat? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:55 PM | RT @yearinthelifeof: Mylessonplan: (1) These are our objectives (2) Let's agree on how we can achieve these (3) reflect on process together #eltchat |
barbsaka | 12:55 PM | So, with 5 mins left, who would like to volunteer to summarize the "road map" of this chat? #eltchat |
yearinthelifeof | 12:55 PM | Mylessonplan: (1) These are our objectives (2) Let's agree on how we can achieve these (3) reflect on process together #eltchat |
Marisa_C | 12:55 PM | @nutrich Byee! #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:55 PM | RT @OUPELTGlobal: I worked a lot iwth state school teachers - large classes, mixed ability, low motivation - lesson plans proved very useful to them #eltchat |
yearinthelifeof | 12:56 PM | @barbsaka Remember that 'volunteer' is a transitive verb! I volunteer... #ELTchat |
PrettyButWise | 12:56 PM | @mmgrinberg @nutrich Ss will be busy thinkin how next step would be rather than focusing on the current one + excitement is needed #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:56 PM | @CAnastasiadiELT I wasnt actually disagreeing with you, just adding to #eltchat :-) |
CAnastasiadiELT | 12:56 PM | @Shaunwilden definitely true. comment influenced by now working with v new teachers who end up typing more than thinking #eltchat |
rliberni | 12:56 PM | RT @Marisa_C: @barbsaka I think lesson planning while training is like doing the scales when training to be a pianist #ELTchat |
KarenInGreece | 12:56 PM | @yitzha_sarwono I like to do the same thing too - it's nice to schedule time for personalisation/opinion discussions #ELTchat |
escocesa_madrid | 12:57 PM | Thanks for the good discussion, sorry I wasn't very participative towards the end. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:57 PM | @yearinthelifeof @barbsaka If you say the word it counts as doing it! #eltchat |
BobK99 | 12:57 PM | @barbsaka #eltchat 'Brownian motion' springs to mind! Sorry - too much on :-( |
mmgrinberg | 12:58 PM | Sorry, gotta go... plan my next lesson. Thanks everyone #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:58 PM | @escocesa_madrid oo participative there's a word you don't hear everyday :-) #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:59 PM | RT @OUPELTGlobal: Thanks for a great discussion. A lot of food for thought. Don't know what to think of lesson plans - a good map or excess baggage? #eltchat |
OUPELTGlobal | 12:59 PM | Thanks for a great discussion. A lot of food for thought. Don't know what to think of lesson plans - a good map or excess baggage? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden | 12:59 PM | Don't all rush off until someone has volunteered to do the summary ;-) #eltchat |
BobK99 | 12:59 PM | Bye all - thanks for #eltchat |
barbsaka | 12:59 PM | @Shaunwilden @yearinthelifeof Are you volunteering? (vt) #eltchat |
LizziePinard | 12:59 PM | #eltchat who's summarising then? i would if i hadnt missed 95% of the chat! |
Shaunwilden | 1:00 PM | Am also waiting for those people who said they would help put a podcast together to DM me their emails :-) #eltchat |
lauraahaha | 1:00 PM | Hard to describe! I'll upload a pic next time I teach to my blog. RT @michelleworgan Sounds good, what do the frames look like? #eltchat |
PrettyButWise | 1:00 PM | I need lesson plan shape plz GUYS -sorry I wrote it gays last time as I was in hurry ;P - thanks for great #eltchat |
KarenInGreece | 1:01 PM | Off for a coffee, see you all tonight :-) #ELTchat |
CAnastasiadiELT | 1:01 PM | pity I joined late. Will try to catch the evening one #eltchat |