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How can we keep sts engaged in receptive skills lessons

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This is the transcript from 21.09.2011 eltchat. Sorry if some tweets are missing, twitter was a bit odd during the chat.

 

username time status
Marisa_C 9:00 PM For the nest hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTchat - We are taling about Student Engagement in Receptive Skills Lessons - Ready?
ELTExperiences 9:01 PM I am ready and can I ask if we could determine for those unaware what 'receptive' skills are? #ELTChat
Marisa_C 9:02 PM @Shaunwilden and @Marisa_C your moderators - please ask us for help and remember to use #ELTchat hashtag when you tweet!
Shaunwilden 9:02 PM RT @ELTExperiences: I am ready and can I ask if we could determine for those unaware what 'receptive' skills are? #ELTChat
cunningcanis 9:02 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Ok every one got their drinks of choice now? Can we begin? #eltchat
ELTExperiences 9:03 PM @Shaunwilden @harrisonmike I second that assertion. #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:03 PM @harrisonmike @ELTExperiences Thats what I'd say #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:03 PM @esolcourses  HI sue #ELTchat
esolcourses 9:03 PM RT @Marisa_C For the nest hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTchat - We are talking about Student Engagement in Receptive Skills Lessons
Marisa_C 9:03 PM @SueAnnan Hello Jersey - hello from Athens Greece everyone! #ELTchat
harrisonmike 9:03 PM @ELTExperiences reading and listening? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:04 PM RT @Marisa_C: just forgot to use hashtag shame on me #eltchat
ELTExperiences 9:04 PM But there are different approaches for listening and reading #ELTChat
harrisonmike 9:04 PM @Marisa_C basically, personalisation, then, is what's needed. #ELTchat over? ;o) lol just kidding
Shaunwilden 9:04 PM And much harder to teach well than many teachers think :-) #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:04 PM So, @Raquel_EFL why did you feel this was an important topic? Do you finf coursebook mats and activies not engaging? :-) #ELTchat
ELTExperiences 9:04 PM RT @SueAnnan: so receptive skills : listening and reading #ELTChat
naomishema 9:05 PM #eltchat - Hello all! is this chat going to be about listening comprehension? Not exactly something I do, you know! LOL!!
cerirhiannon 9:05 PM RT @ELTExperiences:  different approaches for listening and reading #ELTChat > maybe some common ground 2 eg setting clear task?
SueAnnan 9:05 PM and there are many subskills involved too #ELTchat
teacher_prix 9:06 PM RT @Marisa_C For the nest hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTchat - We are talking about Student Engagement in Receptive Skills Lessons
Marisa_C 9:06 PM @harrisonmike No not over by far  #ELTchat
eannegrenoble 9:06 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Evening all (listening and reading much harder to teach well than many teachers think :-) #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:06 PM @naomishema Listening and reading skills lessons  #eltchat
barbarabujtas 9:07 PM hi everyone, 
Dru_Step 9:07 PM Haven't blogged or taken part in #eltchat for weeks. Rehearsals for #medea @crescenttheatre taken over my life. Less than 2 weeks. Eek!
harrisonmike 9:07 PM Accessibility is prob one thing most don't consider much - dyslexia, hearing probs, poor eyesight all shud be considered #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:07 PM @harrisonmike @Marisa_C No there's more ot it than that , dealing with all those pesky subskills takes more than personalisation #eltchat
ELTExperiences 9:07 PM Some teachers go back to their default teaching method for approaching listening and reading: testing knowledge. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:08 PM @barbarabujtas You think? I find most priming activities pretty boring  #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:08 PM @barbarabujtas  I think they tend to follow a tried and tested formula that only go so far #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:08 PM RT @harrisonmike: Accessibility is prob one thing most don't consider much - dyslexia, hearing probs, poor eyesight all shud be considered #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:08 PM @Shaunwilden Indeed  - some peskier than others and some a complete mystery to many materials designers :-) (of published mats)  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:09 PM @esolcourses am glad you said that I thought it was just me #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:09 PM RT @harrisonmike: @Shaunwilden @marisa_c Philida Schellekens says sub skills approach to reading doesn't really work, esp. for ESOL sts #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:09 PM @esolcourses Yeah, and I was thinking may be people are sleepy  #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:09 PM @harrisonmike  I disagree though. Have students who can get gist and miss detail #eltchat
PrettyButWise 9:09 PM @Marisa_C u mean reading and listening skills by recepetive skills ? #eltchat
esolcourses 9:09 PM twitter moving as slowly as a sedated snail for me tonight :-( will try to follow, but apols in adv if I don't join in much #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:09 PM RT @harrisonmike: @Shaunwilden @marisa_c Philida Schellekens says sub skills approach to reading doesn't really work, esp. for ESOL sts #eltchat
harrisonmike 9:09 PM @Shaunwilden @marisa_c Philida Schellekens says sub skills approach to reading doesn't really work, esp. for ESOL sts #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:10 PM self-esteem, investment, a reason to read / listen/ view has ot be there first as a starting point  #eltchat
ELTExperiences 9:10 PM @harrisonmike I agree with this Mike but there are many skills of listening that sts and teachers should be aware of. #ELTChat
ELTExperiences 9:10 PM RT @harrisonmike: More important to be able to decode the stream of sound into words when listening than when listening for gist or spec meaning? #eltchat
barbarabujtas 9:10 PM @Marisa_C i mostly do 1-2-1, they just can't be bored :D
naomishema 9:10 PM @esolcourses #eltchat also having problems with twitter
harrisonmike 9:10 PM More important to be able to decode the stream of sound into words when listening than when listening for gist or spec meaning? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:10 PM @PrettyButWise Correct #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:10 PM @harrisonmike So you would advocate a more holistic approach? #eltchat
eannegrenoble 9:11 PM #ELTchat - rpt with # - extensive reading (reading for pleasure - all levels) NOT the same as intensive reading (cf classroom)
SueAnnan 9:11 PM @Marisa_C  I think both are important for student development #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:11 PM RT @Marisa_C: So we are talking about class reading and listening not self access taks I guess  #eltchat > receptive skills lessons, no?
PrettyButWise 9:11 PM RT @harrisonmike: Accessibility is prob one thing most don't consider much - dyslexia, hearing probs, poor eyesight all shud be considered #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:11 PM So we are talking about class reading and listening not self access taks I guess  #eltchat
harrisonmike 9:11 PM @Shaunwilden yep. Research says that you need to understand 90+% of a text before being able to transfer reading strategy skills #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:11 PM RT @cerirhiannon: self-esteem, investment, a reason to read / listen/ view has ot be there first as a starting point  #eltchat I agree
Shaunwilden 9:11 PM @harrisonmike hang on am confused, your previous tweet was refering to reading  #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:12 PM @SueAnnan Sure both are important but we need to agree whether we cover both in and out of class activities  #eltchat
harrisonmike 9:12 PM @Shaunwilden sorry, I am jumping around. Will try to be more coherent from now on! #eltchat
naomishema 9:12 PM #eltchat @harrisonmike My pupils learn to answer reading comp. Q about text where they know 30% of vocab using a dictionary.
ELTExperiences 9:12 PM @harrisonmike @Shaunwilden but this can be lower when considering connectionism theory. Sts can decode via massive exposure #ELTChat.
Shaunwilden 9:12 PM @harrisonmike Well i'll fly in the face of that research though I dont disagree that dealing with the text a  whole isnt useful #eltchat
PrettyButWise 9:12 PM RT @Marisa_C: So we are talking about class reading and listening not self access taks I guess  #eltchat
teacher_prix 9:12 PM RT @cerirhiannon: self-esteem, investment, a reason to read / listen/ view has ot be there first as a starting point  #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:13 PM @SueAnnan Exactly #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:13 PM I think the topic asks HOW can we do this so a question of how we can stage manage lessons that finish in class or continue outside #eltchat
harrisonmike 9:13 PM @Shaunwilden didn't say it wasn't useful. It's the questions in assessment and the vocal that aren't fair #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:13 PM @harrisonmike No thats ok, was just putting together a counter argument than found I agreed with you on listening :-) #eltchat
esolcourses 9:13 PM RT @cerirhiannon: self-esteem, investment, a reason to read / listen/ view has tobe there first as a starting point #eltchat ] yes, agree
SueAnnan 9:13 PM @Marisa_C  k. I think we're discussing class time here #eltchat
ljp2010 9:14 PM #eltchat hi everyone.  bit late, will try to catch up
Shaunwilden 9:14 PM @harrisonmike Ah well most testing is unfair isn't it  #eltchat
PrettyButWise 9:14 PM RT @cerirhiannon: self-esteem, investment, a reason to read / listen/ view has ot be there first as a starting point  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:14 PM @SueAnnan @Marisa_C But surely we need to consider how we can help sts out of class too? #eltchat
barbarabujtas 9:14 PM each learner is so unique in terms of perception, their subskills, the proportion of top-down and bttm-up approaches are individual #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:15 PM @SueAnnan Yes though it doesnt hurt to focus explicitly on how they can apply then outside of class #eltchat
eannegrenoble 9:15 PM RT @cerirhiannon: so back to engagement - students need to know why they're reading/listening - preferably have a personal investment in the topic...#eltchat
Marisa_C 9:15 PM @Shaunwilden I think in a one-hour chat we should focus on the "engae" part - we can't possibly cover all aspects of topic #eltchat
harrisonmike 9:15 PM @Marisa_C cool. Get sts reading for pleasure. Don't ask them2read what they wouldn't in their L1. Read easier texts than the level #ELTchat
DinaDobrou 9:15 PM Hi all. I just got home. What's on the menu 2nite? :) #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:15 PM so back to engagement - students need to know why they're reading/listening - preferably have a personal investment in the topic...#eltchat
SueAnnan 9:15 PM @Shaunwilden  I think that if we give them startegies in class it should spill over to outside #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:16 PM @Marisa_C I know I'll pay for this but for me motivating therm out of class is the engaging part :-) #eltchat
PrettyButWise 9:16 PM @barbarabujtas I think I need to understand what u mean by top-down and bottom-up approaches ? And subskills? #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:16 PM a clear task to complete,  reasons 2re-read /listen again intensively, a chance to access/share their personal response to the text #eltchat
harrisonmike 9:16 PM @Marisa_C this will help develop reading fluency, and the rest is a matter of fine tuning, I think. See Richard Day #eltchat
naomishema 9:16 PM RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden I think in a one-hour chat we should focus on the "engae" part - we can't possibly cover all aspects of topic #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:17 PM @Shaunwilden No, I find what you say cool - don't disagree  #eltchat
harrisonmike 9:17 PM The value of extensive reading - Richard Day http://t.co/qI01sv4r #eltchat
cathywint 9:17 PM Hello #eltchat joining u from the bus station in Huddersfield. What's the tipi tonight? Reading?
cerirhiannon 9:17 PM RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden  we should focus on the "engae" part - we can't possibly cover all aspects of topic #eltchat  agree
Shaunwilden 9:18 PM @cerirhiannon Oh yes i meant it was one aspect but didn't have enough characters #eltchat
harrisonmike 9:18 PM @Shaunwilden meant vocab in previous tweet. Nope sadly tests aren't fair =( #eltchat
barbarabujtas 9:18 PM @PrettyButWise top down:from the expected meaning (context, etc.) you guess what the text is about
eannegrenoble 9:18 PM @PrettyButWise top down - interrogate the whole text, guessing words etc .. bottom up - start from the words and put them together  #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:18 PM @Shaunwilden I think to get them motivated to listen read is half the job done - then you can work on the nuts and bolts #eltchat
esolcourses 9:18 PM @Marisa_C  @SueAnnan for out of class activities, clear instructions should be given for tasks, with help/feedback built in, IMO #ELTChat
cerirhiannon 9:18 PM @Shaunwilden  but "micro- engagement" in the classroom is also sth we can foster  #eltchat
naomishema 9:18 PM #eltchat - I have SS answer Q's about PICTURES, not texts, so that they can focus on what kind of answer is required for each type of Q
Marisa_C 9:19 PM @antoniaclare OK - so point number 1 - FInd engaging content - do you ask the students ?  #ELTchat
barbarabujtas 9:19 PM @PrettyButWise bottom-up: from small segments of the lg you put the puzzle of meaning together
ljp2010 9:19 PM #eltchat i try to encourage L&R outside the class by allowing a space for the sts to ask about things they didn't quite understand
cathywint 9:19 PM RT @harrisonmike: The value of extensive reading - Richard Day http://t.co/qI01sv4r #eltchat
PrettyButWise 9:20 PM RT @eannegrenoble: @PrettyButWise top down - interrogate the whole text, guessing words etc .. bottom up - start from the words and put them together  #eltchat
antoniaclare 9:20 PM @Marisa_C I try to get sts to bring in texts that they read (newspaper / mag articles etc.) #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:20 PM @Marisa_C  negotiating content is best way to engage sts #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:20 PM designing tasks that make it fun to take the text apart and then put it back together is part of the challenge #eltchat
esolcourses 9:20 PM @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden think you are probably right about focus, Marisa (sorry... tweets refreshing very slowly. Hard to follow! )#ELTChat
antoniaclare 9:21 PM @SueAnnan @Marisa_C and i also like to find articles which I think will appeal to them #eltchat
ljp2010 9:21 PM #eltchat@antoniaclare  but what if you're stuck with a coursebook that you have to follow?  how to make that engaging?
rliberni 9:21 PM RT @Marisa_C: Listening & Reading Psycholinguistic Games we play on our own as users - find ways of replicating guessing & stimulate curiosity #eltchat
PrettyButWise 9:21 PM RT @barbarabujtas: @PrettyButWise bottom-up: from small segments of the lg you put the puzzle of meaning together
harrisonmike 9:21 PM @Marisa_C @antoniaclare trick question?? I'd say definitely where possible, but depending on context T will have to recommend #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:21 PM Listening & Reading Psycholinguistic Games we play on our own as users - find ways of replicating guessing & stimulate curiosity #eltchat
PrettyButWise 9:21 PM RT @barbarabujtas: @PrettyButWise top down:from the expected meaning (context, etc.) you guess what the text is about
cerirhiannon 9:21 PM RT @SueAnnan: @Marisa_C  negotiating content is best way to engage sts #ELTchat > totally agree, asking ss to bring txts/links to class
Shaunwilden 9:21 PM @SueAnnan @Marisa_C Agreed but how the balance that with the demands of a school and a cbk? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:22 PM Make reading and listening feeling like puzzles or games or problem solving tasks #eltchat
PrettyButWise 9:22 PM and what subskills within receptive skills ? Any ideas ? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:22 PM @ljp2010 If stuck with the coursebook play the games to stimulate curiosity which didn't kill the cat :-D  #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:22 PM @antoniaclare  supplement the coursebook then #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:23 PM RT @SueAnnan: @Marisa_C  if pre tasks are fun the predictive element makes the task  itself interesting #eltchat > yes great
ljp2010 9:23 PM #eltchat i let a group talk all the way through a listening recently.  an interesting experiment.
antoniaclare 9:23 PM @ljp2010 #eltchat  I think teachers always need to think about how to personalise csbk, make more relavant for sts
Shaunwilden 9:23 PM @ljp2010 personalise, as them to find related texts, do it as a jigsaw, make them curious #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:23 PM @PrettyButWise Well for reading I would recommend you read C Nuttall's book for listening Anderson & Lynch  #eltchat
harrisonmike 9:23 PM @ljp2010 use wordle for text prediction activities, have learners create course book type texts and listenings4receptive practice #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:23 PM @Marisa_C  if pre tasks are fun the predictive element makes the task  itself interesting #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:23 PM but  even"boring/dry" texts can be mined for useful language learning experiences too - engagement in the task not the text #eltchat
rliberni 9:23 PM RT @Marisa_C: Make reading and listening feeling like puzzles or games or problem solving tasks #eltchat
ljp2010 9:24 PM #eltchat@antoniaclare  yes, crucial to engage the learners initially
Shaunwilden 9:24 PM @ljp2010 That does sound interesting  - why, what for and was it successful? #eltchat
DinaDobrou 9:24 PM @ljp2010 What was the outcome of the experiment? And why did you choose to do so? #ELTchat
rliberni 9:24 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @ljp2010 personalise, as them to find related texts, do it as a jigsaw, make them curious #eltchat
PrettyButWise 9:25 PM RT @Marisa_C: Listening & Reading Psycholinguistic Games we play on our own as users - find ways of replicating guessing & stimulate curiosity #eltchat
DinaDobrou 9:25 PM RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat I think if text is good enough, don't need exciting task, but if text is dry, need to jazz task > Totally agree!
Marisa_C 9:25 PM RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat I think if the text is good enough, don't need exciting task, but if the text is dry, need to jazz task > & more!
harrisonmike 9:25 PM Don't forget, receptive skills practice can be LISTENING to each other and READING what they have written #ELTchat (caps for emphasis)
ljp2010 9:25 PM @DinaDobrou  #eltchat they found it hard to talk at 1st, so much training not to.  but then they helped each other with bits they missed
antoniaclare 9:25 PM #eltchat I think if the text is good enough, don't need exciting task, but if the text is dry, need to jazz task
eannegrenoble 9:26 PM RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat To get sts engaged, it's important to do more than just answer comp qns, > I get them to draw the information
rliberni 9:26 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @DinaDobrou @antoniaclare Which goes back to the idea of making sure it interests them, too many times tchrs think a text wont #eltchat
antoniaclare 9:26 PM #eltchat ...need to allow students opportunities to voice their personal response
Shaunwilden 9:26 PM @DinaDobrou @antoniaclare Which goes back to the idea of making sure it interests them, too many times tchrs think a text wont #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:26 PM @antoniaclare  totally agree reader/listener response SO important #eltchat
ljp2010 9:26 PM #eltchat@Shaunwilden  it was an off the cuff comment by neil mcmahon during the active listening chat.  If S&L are so linked, why separate
cerirhiannon 9:26 PM RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat To get sts engaged, it's important to do more than just answer comp qns, ask them for their input, opinion, experience
SueAnnan 9:26 PM RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat To get sts engaged, it's important to do more than just answer comp qns, ask the… (cont) http://t.co/E30jL4rg
cerirhiannon 9:26 PM RT @harrisonmike: Don't forget, receptive skills practice can be LISTENING to each other and READING what they have written #ELTchat (caps for emphasis)
rliberni 9:26 PM sorry bit late couldn't get my laptop up and running will catch up #eltchat
antoniaclare 9:26 PM #eltchat To get sts engaged, it's important to do more than just answer comp qns, ask them for their input, opinion, experience
antoniaclare 9:27 PM RT @eannegrenoble: #eltchat To get sts engaged, it's important to do more than just answer comp qns> I get them to draw the information gr8!
Shaunwilden 9:27 PM @DinaDobrou What's wring with before AND after AND even during? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:27 PM @eannegrenoble nice idea for a number of text types  #eltchat
tarabenwell 9:27 PM RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat I think if the text is good enough, don't need exciting task, but if the text is dry, need to jazz task
DinaDobrou 9:27 PM @antoniaclare Shld we personalise before or after compr. Qs? Or does it depend on level and/or lesson focus? #ELTchat
PrettyButWise 9:27 PM RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat To get sts engaged, it's important to do more than just answer comp qns, ask them for their input, opinion, experience
antoniaclare 9:28 PM @DinaDobrou Depends on text, but at any point i think it's a good idea.  Often easier at the end (what about here in this country?) #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:28 PM RT @harrisonmike: @DinaDobrou @antoniaclare personalise wherever and whenever you can IMHO #eltchat > totally agree
rliberni 9:28 PM RT @harrisonmike: @DinaDobrou @antoniaclare personalise wherever and whenever you can IMHO #eltchat
tarabenwell 9:28 PM @ljp2010 @DinaDobrou Fascinating idea. #ELTchat
DinaDobrou 9:28 PM @Shaunwilden Hmm..a gr8 point indeed...in my teaching context, I'd say "time". School demands that we cover lots per academic hour! #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:28 PM link to post on usinf reader response codes (written in response to a past #eltchat) cerij.wordpress.com/2011/05/12/reader-response-codes/
harrisonmike 9:28 PM @DinaDobrou @antoniaclare personalise wherever and whenever you can IMHO #eltchat
eannegrenoble 9:28 PM #eltchat - or get THEM to ask the comprehension questions
antoniaclare 9:29 PM RT @SueAnnan: I ask them what they want to find out and they check to see whether it was mentioned #ELTchat - Absolutely !
PrettyButWise 9:29 PM @eannegrenoble I like this idea more bcoz they will try their others skills in the same time and might find it interesting #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:29 PM RT @SueAnnan: I ask them what they want to find out and they check to see whether it was mentioned #ELTchat
ljp2010 9:29 PM @tarabenwell   #eltchat and if nothing else, the sts are surprised.  so important to keep surprising them :)
rliberni 9:29 PM RT @SueAnnan: I ask them what they want to find out and they check to see whether it was mentioned #ELTchat nice idea
cerirhiannon 9:29 PM don't just personalise -localise as well - draw in comparisons / parallels with the students' contexts #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:29 PM @DinaDobrou Ok but eg ask Qs to start, let them read for what they want and then ask opinion not that time consuming #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:29 PM I ask them what they want to find out and they check to see whether it was mentioned #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:29 PM RT @cerirhiannon: link to post on usinf reader response codes (written in response to a past #eltchat) cerij.w… (cont) http://t.co/QeRunkXo
harrisonmike 9:30 PM @cerirhiannon and globalise, don't stop, so many opportunities for extending language, drawing comparisons #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:30 PM @SueAnnan It;s sth I wrote while I was doing the seeta course  #eltchat
rliberni 9:30 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @cerirhiannon: link to post on usinf reader response codes (written in response to a past #eltchat) cerij.w… (cont) http://t.co/QeRunkXo
cerirhiannon 9:30 PM RT @Marisa_C: Link to a post on getting them to ask the questions beforehand http://t.co/eIThHsU6 Advance Organisers #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:30 PM @Marisa_C  thanks for that #eltchat
DinaDobrou 9:30 PM @Shaunwilden Nope, I was refering to before And during And after! But I guess you meant either would do, right? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:30 PM Link to a post on getting them to ask the questions beforehand http://t.co/eIThHsU6 Advance Organisers #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:31 PM @cerirhiannon @DinaDobrou Actually yes should is better #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:31 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @DinaDobrou Nope I meant you could do it at all stages #eltchat > should?
Marisa_C 9:31 PM Great - this #eltchat is beginning to really rock!
cerirhiannon 9:31 PM RT @harrisonmike: @cerirhiannon and globalise, don't stop, so many opportunities for extending language, drawing comparisons #eltchat > :)
Shaunwilden 9:31 PM @DinaDobrou Nope I meant you could do it at all stages #eltchat
ljp2010 9:32 PM #eltchat  just how much actual teaching of reading sub-skills would you say you do?
tarabenwell 9:32 PM RT @eannegrenoble: #eltchat - or get THEM to ask the comprehension questions
harrisonmike 9:32 PM The Internet provides great opportunity to find texts from different sources on same topic, e.g. Brit & US newspapers on hurricane #ELTchat
rliberni 9:32 PM RT @Marisa_C: Link to a post on getting them to ask the questions beforehand http://t.co/eIThHsU6 Advance Organisers #eltchat
PrettyButWise 9:32 PM @Marisa_C thanks dear #eltchat
antoniaclare 9:32 PM RT @Marisa_C: Great - this #eltchat is beginning to really rock! - Yay!
cerirhiannon 9:32 PM RT @antoniaclare: @DinaDobrou  If you need to cover lots of material, need to think of adapting rather than supplementing (change the qns or task) #eltchat
antoniaclare 9:32 PM @DinaDobrou  If you need to cover lots of material, need to think of adapting rather than supplementing (change the qns or task) #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:33 PM I think integrated skill lessons are  good at not doing the 'and now for something completely different' thing #ELTchat
PrettyButWise 9:33 PM @barbarabujtas thanks dear #eltchat
rliberni 9:33 PM RT @harrisonmike: The Internet provides great opportunity to find texts from different sources on same topic, e.g. Brit & US newspapers on hurricane #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:33 PM RT @antoniaclare: @harrisonmike Good point - I often look for YouTube clip related to the topic too #eltchat > or an eltpic ;)
PrettyButWise 9:33 PM RT @antoniaclare: @DinaDobrou  If you need to cover lots of material, need to think of adapting rather than supplementing (change the qns or task) #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:33 PM @antoniaclare @DinaDobrou I think where possible adapting better  -  let  ss do the supplementing as reading for pleasure #eltchat
antoniaclare 9:33 PM @harrisonmike Good point - I often look for YouTube clip related to the topic too #eltchat
eannegrenoble 9:33 PM RT @rliberni: RT @SueAnnan: I ask them what they want to find out and they check to see whether it was mentioned #ELTchat nice idea > yes
ljp2010 9:34 PM #eltchat@Shaunwilden  same for me, and it's often assumed that they know how to read well by this stage.  not always the case
JoshSRound 9:34 PM RT @ljp2010: #eltchat  just how much actual teaching of reading sub-skills would you say you do?
Marisa_C 9:34 PM So what are some fun, motivating activs you have used to motivate Ss to listen or read-apart from getting them to ask own Qs #eltchat
tarabenwell 9:34 PM @Marisa_C Agreed. I'm taking notes madly. #ELTChat
PrettyButWise 9:34 PM @eannegrenoble thank u so much dear #eltchat
harrisonmike 9:34 PM @antoniaclare even better, developing multiple literacies as well as multiple skills =) #eltchat
naomishema 9:34 PM #eltchat had to move computer. twitter seems to be cooperating here. see I missed a lot!
DinaDobrou 9:34 PM RT @cerirhiannon: @antoniaclare @DinaDobrou I think where possible adapting better  -  let  ss do the supplementing as reading for pleasure #eltchat
juanalejandro26 9:34 PM RT @harrisonmike: The Internet provides great opportunity to find texts from different sources on same topic, e.g. Brit & US newspapers on hurricane #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:34 PM @ljp2010 I say quite a few but then I teach mainly high levels and so can really discuss it with them #eltchat
ljp2010 9:35 PM @harrisonmike   #eltchat a useful one that :-)
Shaunwilden 9:35 PM @ljp2010 Well they know how to read but not transfer the skills :-) But agreed the assumption part is an imp point #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:35 PM I do a lot of subskills training but that's not perhaps the motivating part - adults will appreciate more - but children? #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:35 PM RT @antoniaclare: @ljp2010 #eltchat -  going out on a limb here, but prefer not to focus on sub-skills too much (they are same in L1)> agree
SueAnnan 9:35 PM @ljp2010  depends on the class type #eltchat
harrisonmike 9:35 PM I teach the reading sub skill of going from left to right in English and not vice versa ;o) #eltchat
antoniaclare 9:35 PM @ljp2010 #eltchat - perhaps going out on a limb here, but I prefer not to focus on sub-skills too much (they are same in L1) - prefer to..
cerirhiannon 9:36 PM if ss have critical mass of language, and tasks that encourage the application of diff subskills, good readers in L1 will transfer #eltchat
harrisonmike 9:36 PM RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat prefer to read in order to then discuss, or retell, reformulate, mine the text for interesting language
DinaDobrou 9:36 PM RT @JoshSRound: @ljp2010 can also touch on sub skills at lower levels, raise awareness, relate to real world #eltchat
JoshSRound 9:36 PM @ljp2010 can also touch on sub skills at lower levels, raise awareness, relate to real world #eltchat
antoniaclare 9:36 PM #eltchat prefer to read in order to then discuss, or retell, reformulate, mine the text for interesting language
ljp2010 9:37 PM @eannegrenoble   #eltchat do you think all sts find it easy to transfer skills?
harrisonmike 9:37 PM .  @cerirhiannon what about bad readers then? Who deals with pre literate readers in this #ELTchat?
antoniaclare 9:37 PM RT @Marisa_C: So what are some fun, motivating activs u have used 2motivate Ss to listen/read-apart from getting them to ask own Qs #eltchat
ljp2010 9:37 PM @JoshSRound  #eltchat totally.  sometimes feel that lower level teachers leave it to the higher level ones & vice versa!
cerirhiannon 9:37 PM RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat prefer to read in order to then discuss, or retell, reformulate, mine the text for interesting language > yes
rliberni 9:37 PM RT @SueAnnan: I think integrated skill lessons are  good at not doing the 'and now for something completely different' thing #ELTchat
eannegrenoble 9:37 PM @ljp2010 #eltchat -   prefer not to focus on sub-skills too much (they are same in L1)> and what about the "vocal loop" errr smthg like that
eannegrenoble 9:38 PM RT @ljp2010:  #eltchat do you think all sts find it easy to transfer skills? ... no I don't - difficult to skim in  L2
harrisonmike 9:38 PM @ljp2010 @eannegrenoble Nooo, what about sts that can't read/write in their L1??? #eltchat
antoniaclare 9:38 PM RT @DinaDobrou: Using word clouds of the text and ask sts to predict. #ELTchat > Nice - or use it at the end - sts summarise, or retell
cerirhiannon 9:38 PM weak readers need above all to know that they don't need to read and understand every word - sounds basic- but imp for lots of Ss #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:38 PM RT @harrisonmike: .  @cerirhiannon what about bad readers then? Who deals with pre literate readers in this #ELTchat?
Marisa_C 9:38 PM RT @DinaDobrou: Using word clouds of the text and ask sts to predict. #ELTchat
DinaDobrou 9:38 PM Using word clouds of the text and ask sts to predict. #ELTchat
harrisonmike 9:39 PM @cerirhiannon totally agree. I tell them to read 'easier' texts so they don't have to constantly look up words in dictionary #eltchat
antoniaclare 9:39 PM RT @tarabenwell: Ask sts if they would share what they learned from reading with someone outside of class.Why/why not? If yes, who? #ELTChat
DinaDobrou 9:39 PM Show a picture(s) related to the topic and brainstorm language/ideas. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:39 PM Smtms if a text a REALLY boring (but I have to cover it bcz in CB) I do more prediction until they beg to read :-D #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:39 PM retelling, revisiting, recasting - at end of lesson or in next lesson all imp activities too #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:39 PM @harrisonmike Not had alot of expereince, I suspect you have? #eltchat
ljp2010 9:39 PM #eltchat@eannegrenoble  they may need explicit instruction on how to do it even if they can do it in L1
tarabenwell 9:39 PM Ask sts if they would share what they learned from reading with someone outside of class. Why or why not? If yes, who? #ELTChat
SueAnnan 9:39 PM RT @rliberni: @SueAnnan  integrating skills also helps to reinforce vocab etc.. #eltchat yes that's a good point
PrettyButWise 9:39 PM RT @Marisa_C: I do a lot of subskills training but that's not perhaps the motivating part - adults will appreciate more - but children? #eltchat
rliberni 9:39 PM @SueAnnan  integrating skills also helps to reinforce vocab etc.. #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:39 PM start for ss texts on the same topic (spoken or written) - and then compare - give the ss' text priority #eltchat
harrisonmike 9:40 PM @Shaunwilden yeah, and I still don't know really how to best manage it =/ #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:40 PM @harrisonmike  I think you need to teach them to read around the new vocab too. so  NOT dep on dictionary #eltchat
PrettyButWise 9:40 PM RT @cerirhiannon: retelling, revisiting, recasting - at end of lesson or in next lesson all imp activities too #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:40 PM RT @harrisonmike:  I tell them to read 'easier' texts .... #eltchat > yes reading below level so imp for self-esteem and fluency
rliberni 9:40 PM RT @DinaDobrou: Show a picture(s) related to the topic and brainstorm language/ideas. #ELTchat
ljp2010 9:40 PM @harrisonmike   #eltchat must help with confidence and reading speed too
rliberni 9:40 PM RT @cerirhiannon: retelling, revisiting, recasting - at end of lesson or in next lesson all imp activities too #eltchat
eannegrenoble 9:40 PM @harrisonmike  - that's the point innit - Different problem #eltchat
DinaDobrou 9:40 PM RT @antoniaclare: RT @tarabenwell: Ask sts if they would share what they learned from reading with someone outside of class.Why/why not? If yes, who? #ELTChat
rliberni 9:40 PM RT @tarabenwell: Ask sts if they would share what they learned from reading with someone outside of class. Why or why not? If yes, who? #ELTChat
DinaDobrou 9:41 PM RT @Marisa_C: Have used different pics for describe & find differences, then read to see which selection best represents concepts in text #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:41 PM @harrisonmike Do you approach like one would with a child in their l1? #eltchat
rliberni 9:41 PM RT @Marisa_C: Have used different pics for describe & find differences, then read to see which selection best represents concepts in text #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:41 PM Have used different pics for describe & find differences, then read to see which selection best represents concepts in text #eltchat
SimonGreenall 9:41 PM #ELTChat Some reading sub-skills generate motivating activity types which are more useful than practice in the sub-slill itself.
rliberni 9:41 PM RT @SueAnnan: @harrisonmike  I think you need to teach them to read around the new vocab too. so  NOT dep on dictionary #eltchat
PrettyButWise 9:41 PM RT @cerirhiannon: RT @harrisonmike:  I tell them to read 'easier' texts .... #eltchat > yes reading below level so imp for self-esteem and fluency
cerirhiannon 9:41 PM RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat - ask sts to 'interview' someone from the text, 'how do they feel about...?'
DinaDobrou 9:41 PM @antoniaclare Yes, a gr8 tool to help sts summarise/retell. #ELTchat
antoniaclare 9:41 PM #eltchat - ask sts to 'interview' someone from the text, 'how do they feel about...?'
bethcagnol 9:41 PM I'm SO sorry for not joining you on #ELTCHAT. Promise next week will be better.  Classes start and I'll need my virtual classroom. :-)
PrettyButWise 9:42 PM I don't know what's going on I can't focus with u guys so just gonna read :/ #eltchat maybe the topic is totally new !!
cerirhiannon 9:42 PM post-reasing: ss choose a sentence, write the words at random, ask classmates to unjumble and identify where it came frm in text #eltchat
SimonGreenall 9:42 PM @eannegrenoble You just did! #ELTChat
ELTExperiences 9:42 PM Good idea - RT @DinaDobrou: Show a picture(s) related to the topic and brainstorm language/ideas. #ELTchat
rliberni 9:42 PM RT @SimonGreenall: #ELTChat Some reading sub-skills generate motivating activity types which are more useful than practice in the sub-slill itself.
eannegrenoble 9:42 PM @SimonGreenall  wish I'd said that ;-)) #ELTChat
eannegrenoble 9:42 PM RT @SimonGreenall: #ELTChat Some reading sub-skills generate motivating activity types which are more useful than practice in the sub-slill itself.
DinaDobrou 9:42 PM RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat - ask sts to 'interview' someone from the text, 'how do they feel about...?'
SueAnnan 9:42 PM RT @SimonGreenall: #ELTChat Some reading sub-skills generate motivating activity types which are more usefu… (cont) http://t.co/LT0OqoRK
antoniaclare 9:43 PM #eltchat get sts to change a few sentences from the text, and see what effect it has (change the story or the ending)
Marisa_C 9:43 PM @tarabenwell I like that - tho Ss would have to be au fait with blogging to do  #ELTChat
ELTExperiences 9:43 PM I like to incorporate prediction techniques for reading - show 8-12 words and get sts to predict the story. #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:43 PM RT @tarabenwell: Imagine the reading as a blog post. What tags would you add? #ELTChat > nice
esolcourses 9:43 PM @Raquel_EFL @Shaunwilden  don't think it's your connection, Raquel...  myself and others are having problems too #ELTChat
Marisa_C 9:43 PM @cerirhiannon nice - fun #eltchat
tarabenwell 9:43 PM Imagine the reading as a blog post. What tags would you add? #ELTChat
harrisonmike 9:43 PM @Shaunwilden I think I would, a lot of working out the sounds of words as you read - often sts can say the words but not spell them #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:44 PM RT @Marisa_C: Read in role - as if you were a ..... lawyer, priest. alien, psychoanalyst.... #ELTchat > nice
PrettyButWise 9:44 PM RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat get sts to change a few sentences from the text, and see what effect it has (change the story or the ending)
SueAnnan 9:44 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @harrisonmike So do you do a lot of alphabet work first (sorry for all the ?s) am genuinely interested :-) #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:44 PM Read in role - as if you were a ..... lawyer, priest. alien, psychoanalyst.... #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:44 PM @harrisonmike So do you do a lot of alphabet work first (sorry for all the ?s) am genuinely interested :-) #eltchat
DinaDobrou 9:44 PM Show title/subtitle and ask groups to predict and make a list of bullet points then ask them to read and tick them off their list. #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:44 PM RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat get sts to change a few sentences from the text, and see what effect it has (change the story or the ending)
PrettyButWise 9:44 PM @cerirhiannon Luv ur tweets keep tweeting dear many good ideaz #eltchat
PrettyButWise 9:45 PM RT @Marisa_C: Read in role - as if you were a ..... lawyer, priest. alien, psychoanalyst.... #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:45 PM draw a picture or map of the reading text / listening text #eltchat
DinaDobrou 9:45 PM RT @Marisa_C: Read in role - as if you were a ..... lawyer, priest. alien, psychoanalyst.... #ELTchat
eannegrenoble 9:45 PM RT @harrisonmike: (..), a lot of working out the sounds of words as you read >> right on the ball   #eltchat
DinaDobrou 9:45 PM RT @cerirhiannon: RT @tarabenwell: Imagine the reading as a blog post. What tags would you add? #ELTChat > nice
Shaunwilden 9:45 PM RT @Marisa_C: Read in role - as if you were a ..... lawyer, priest. alien, psychoanalyst.... #ELTchat Oh yeah thats a good one :-)
cerirhiannon 9:46 PM RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat put different texts (or parts of texts) up on wall, play music, sts wander round and read to find out ...
DinaDobrou 9:46 PM RT @cerirhiannon: write "competitive summaries" of  texts ie in 30 words - then cut down to 20 - then cut down to 10 - shortest summary wins #eltchat  (R&L)
SueAnnan 9:46 PM got illiterate beginner sts this month. The alphabet (and the phonology) is a must for decoding #eltchat
antoniaclare 9:46 PM #eltchat put different texts (or parts of texts) up on wall, play music, sts wander round and read to find out ...
PrettyButWise 9:46 PM RT @DinaDobrou: Show title/subtitle and ask groups to predict and make a list of bullet points then ask them to read and tick them off their list. #ELTchat
rliberni 9:46 PM RT @harrisonmike: @Shaunwilden definitely with sts who write a non roman script. I've been doing more on sounds of letters & letter strings recently #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:46 PM write "competitive summaries" of  texts ie in 30 words - then cut down to 20 - then cut down to 10 - shortest summary wins #eltchat  (R&L)
harrisonmike 9:46 PM @Shaunwilden definitely with sts who write a non roman script. I've been doing more on sounds of letters & letter strings recently #ELTchat
harrisonmike 9:47 PM Mini sagas are great source. A story in 50 words, no more no less. Good for quick reading, dictogloss, synonym finding activities #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:47 PM @Shaunwilden  all the time #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:47 PM RT @DinaDobrou: If reading/listening text is a story, ask sts to create a script and act it out. #ELTchat > yes, lovely!
ELTExperiences 9:47 PM @antoniaclare very Dogme-like idea #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:47 PM @harrisonmike @SueAnnan Have used the phonics? #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:47 PM next lesson do a dictogloss of part of the text #eltchat
DinaDobrou 9:47 PM If reading/listening text is a story, ask sts to create a script and act it out. #ELTchat
antoniaclare 9:47 PM RT @cerirhiannon: write "competitive summaries" of  texts ie in 30 words - then cut down to 20 - then cut down to 10- shortest wins #eltchat
eannegrenoble 9:47 PM @harrisonmike Wish I could find the refs about the importance of the audio loop in the working memory when reading  #ELTchat
ljp2010 9:48 PM #eltchat @DinaDobrou  yes revisiting the text is important.  any other ideas?
Shaunwilden 9:48 PM @SueAnnan does it work? I was reading about their growing use in schools in the UK last week #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:48 PM @DinaDobrou  I always try to come back to the text somehow or other #eltchat
ELTExperiences 9:48 PM I love dictogloss - RT @cerirhiannon: next lesson do a dictogloss of part of the text #eltchat
antoniaclare 9:48 PM @ELTExperiences  #eltchat ;)
DinaDobrou 9:48 PM RT @cerirhiannon: next lesson do a dictogloss of part of the text #eltchat > That's a cool way to come back to the text!
cerirhiannon 9:48 PM RT @harrisonmike: Mini sagas are great source. A story in 50 words, no more no less. Good for quick reading, dictogloss, synonym finding activities #eltchat
antoniaclare 9:49 PM RT @cerirhiannon: @DinaDobrou  I always try to come back to the text somehow or other #eltchat >Me too - exploit for as much as poss.
harrisonmike 9:49 PM @Shaunwilden @sueannan I haven't done so much, but might investigate ths year. Got mostly lower level classes w/some weaker readers #ELTchat
DinaDobrou 9:50 PM RT @SueAnnan: @eannegrenoble  they listen for info and remove the section from the board #ELTchat
DinaDobrou 9:50 PM @antoniaclare @cerirhiannon True, even texts done longer before. #ELTchat
Leftwichprimary 9:50 PM RT @harrisonmike: Mini sagas are great source. A story in 50 words, no more no less. Good for quick reading, dictogloss, synonym finding activities #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:50 PM @eannegrenoble  they listen for info and remove the section from the board #ELTchat
ELTExperiences 9:50 PM @cerirhiannon @DinaDobrou I try to recycle and review vocabulary introduced in earlier lessons. #ELTchat
ELTExperiences 9:51 PM @SueAnnan that's a great idea to combine listening with reading. I do the same with words from music lyrics. #ELTchat
eannegrenoble 9:51 PM @SueAnnan  thx #ELTchat
antoniaclare 9:51 PM #eltchat - speed reading (like we're doing here) gr8 skill to work on with sts?
SimonGreenall 9:51 PM @SueAnnan Good idea. #ELTchat
ELTExperiences 9:51 PM RT @SueAnnan: @eannegrenoble  they listen for info and remove the section from the board #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:52 PM @ELTExperiences  Me too #ELTchat
antoniaclare 9:52 PM @SueAnnan Hope nobody asks me comprehension qns at the end! ;) #eltchat
ELTExperiences 9:52 PM RT @cerirhiannon: in next class give the ss the answers to the questions from the class before and ask them to remember the questions - just for fun #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:52 PM @antoniaclare Oo now there's an idea for using twitter in the class then  :-) #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:52 PM RT @SueAnnan: @antoniaclare  even some of us find this difficult :-) #eltchat > LOL!
SueAnnan 9:52 PM @antoniaclare  even some of us find this difficult :-) #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:52 PM in next class give the ss the answers to the questions from the class before and ask them to remember the questions - just for fun #eltchat
ljp2010 9:53 PM #eltchat  has there been an eslchat on using twitter in class?
DinaDobrou 9:53 PM @eannegrenoble I do. A time limit prevents them from reading by translating word for word. And also a focus Q beforehand. #ELTchat
JoshSRound 9:53 PM LOL! RT @antoniaclare: @SueAnnan Hope nobody asks me comprehension qns at the end! ;) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:53 PM @antoniaclare @SueAnnan what did the first person after Sue announced Jersey was here say? #eltchat
antoniaclare 9:53 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @antoniaclare Oo now there's an idea for using twitter in the class then  :-) #eltchat >Haven't tried it yet, but maybe ;)
bethcagnol 9:53 PM @antoniaclare Here's an idea: let sts choose a chat on twitter and try to follow it during class. Maybe. #ELTCHAT
SueAnnan 9:53 PM @antoniaclare  LOL #eltchat
antoniaclare 9:54 PM RT @ELTExperiences: @antoniaclare I believe most sts think that in the class #ELTchat > I agree - can be a real dampener
Shaunwilden 9:54 PM @cerirhiannon I'll have to check the transcript :-) #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:54 PM @cerirhiannon  or thereabouts #ELTchat
CELT_Athens 9:54 PM RT @eannegrenoble: Does anyone do timed reading with their students ? #ELTchat yes
eannegrenoble 9:54 PM Does anyone do timed reading with their students ? #ELTchat
ELTExperiences 9:54 PM @antoniaclare I believe most sts think that in the class #ELTchat
CELT_Athens 9:55 PM Have written at least 4-5 but can't see them #eltchat (marisa)
SueAnnan 9:55 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @CELT_Athens @eannegrenoble I set time limits to encourage reading for gist etc #eltchat so do I
tarabenwell 9:55 PM RT @cerirhiannon: in next class give the ss the answers to the questions from the class before and ask them to remember the questions - just for fun #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:55 PM @CELT_Athens @eannegrenoble I set time limits to encourage reading for gist etc #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:55 PM @CELT_Athens  mine did that last week #Eltchat
CELT_Athens 9:55 PM I'm using my school account as mine not showing any longer #Eltchat (by @Marisa_C )
ELTExperiences 9:55 PM @cerirhiannon @SueAnnan @Shaunwilden @antoniaclare I don't like comp ques but do like CCQs. #ELTchat
ELTExperiences 9:56 PM @antoniaclare I suppose teachers test student understanding with comprehension questions: pits them on the spot #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:56 PM @CELT_Athens  have seen 4 so far #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:57 PM @ELTExperiences  better if they complete a task to show understanding rather than feeling put on the spot #ELTchat
antoniaclare 9:57 PM @ELTExperiences Yes, tho' makes it more like a test #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:57 PM #eltchat get sts to turn a text into complete nonsense
SueAnnan 9:58 PM @eannegrenoble  concept check questions  #eltchat
eannegrenoble 9:58 PM Sitting here puzzeling over CCQs ? #eltchat must have gone brain dead
Marisa_C 9:58 PM If u can find similar texts e.g. from diff papers, get ss to pick best bits for own rewrite #eltchat
tarabenwell 9:58 PM @Marisa_C Fun! Actually I'd like to see Marisa do that. I know you'd have us cracking up. #ELTchat
SimonGreenall 9:58 PM @SueAnnan Yes, many other ways of testing comp than comp questions. #ELTchat
rliberni 9:58 PM sorry struggling with borrowed laptop tonight so not so active. #eltchat
DinaDobrou 9:58 PM RT @Marisa_C: #eltchat get sts to turn a text into complete nonsense >LIke change adj describing ppl?
tarabenwell 9:59 PM @Marisa_C I saw a text where scattered words were replaced with nonsense words. Students had to decide which word form belonged. #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:59 PM RT @cerirhiannon: ask ss to pare text down to basics - e.g. deleting all unnecessary words #eltchat - can wor… (cont) http://t.co/wxmYQc7B
Marisa_C 9:59 PM @cerirhiannon  #eltchat that's a good one
Shaunwilden 9:59 PM @eannegrenoble Now am trying to think of a good CCQ to ask to check :-) #eltchat
ELTExperiences 9:59 PM @SueAnnan which is why I prefer TBL than PPP methods of teaching. #ELTchat
antoniaclare 9:59 PM #eltchat I try to give sts tasks that will get them talking about the text (then i can see how much they understood)
Marisa_C 9:59 PM @cerirhiannon YEs a few tweets went down the tweetdrain #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:59 PM ask ss to pare text down to basics - e.g. deleting all unnecessary words #eltchat - can work with transcripts too
cerirhiannon 10:00 PM RT @Marisa_C: Get sts to change facts and tell lies #eltchat works great for young and older ss
Shaunwilden 10:00 PM RT @DinaDobrou: @SimonGreenall But how do we know when planning for our lesson? #eltchat
cerirhiannon 10:00 PM RT @SimonGreenall: #ELTChat  (...) you cn create artificial motivation wiv different tasks.Many ideas this evening.
cerirhiannon 10:00 PM RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat give sts tasks to get them talking abt text ( can see how much they understood)> re… (cont) http://t.co/stGahQDU
rliberni 10:00 PM RT @Marisa_C: Get sts to change facts and tell lies #eltchat works great for young and older ss
rliberni 10:00 PM RT @SimonGreenall: #ELTChat My hunch ... If a passage imotivates Ss(authentic motivation) probably should be left alone. If not, (...)
SimonGreenall 10:00 PM #ELTChat  (...) you cn create artificial motivation wiv different tasks.Many ideas this evening.
Marisa_C 10:00 PM Get sts to change facts and tell lies #eltchat works great for young and older ss
rliberni 10:00 PM RT @tarabenwell: @Marisa_C I saw a text where scattered words were replaced with nonsense words. Students had to decide which word form belonged. #ELTchat
SimonGreenall 10:00 PM #ELTChat My hunch ... If a passage imotivates Ss(authentic motivation) probably should be left alone. If not, (...)
eannegrenoble 10:00 PM RT @cerirhiannon: ask ss to pare text down tobasics - e.g. deleting all unnecessary words #eltchat - Useful for working on Adjs and modifier
cerirhiannon 10:01 PM RT @SimonGreenall: #ELTChat My hunch ... If a passage imotivates Ss(authentic motivation) probably should be left alone. If not, (...)
Marisa_C 10:01 PM @SimonGreenall  #ELTChat I think you are right - message is if text not motivating, engage through intersting tasks #eltchat
ljp2010 10:02 PM #eltchat really interesting chat today.  thanks everyone!
cerirhiannon 10:02 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Oh gosh  the hour has passed already, wow super fast #eltchat > really!!!
SimonGreenall 10:02 PM @Shaunwilden Good question. Too many ways to answer ... sorry. #eltchat
tarabenwell 10:02 PM Thanks for all of the fantastic ideas teachers! #ELTChat
antoniaclare 10:02 PM @SimonGreenall I remember you telling me that in Bentinck St ;) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 10:02 PM Oh gosh  the hour has passed already, wow super fast #eltchat
Marisa_C 10:02 PM Lots of the ideas we have been sharing intergrate receptive skills work with productive skills too #eltchat - that's great
cerirhiannon 10:02 PM @Marisa_C @SimonGreenall  #eltchat - yes, if it's a good text less is definitely more in terms of tasks and exploitation
antoniaclare 10:03 PM @Shaunwilden Oh, and I was really enjoying it #eltchat
Shaunwilden 10:03 PM @DinaDobrou Sounds a good idea #eltchat
cerirhiannon 10:03 PM RT @ljp2010: #eltchat really interesting chat today.  thanks everyone!  > seconded!
Marisa_C 10:03 PM @Shaunwilden It has! Sorry I got stuck in neverland for some time - was raring to go  #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 10:03 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @DinaDobrou: @SimonGreenall But how do we know when planning for our lesson? #eltchat > be ready to ditch plan
eannegrenoble 10:03 PM back to my correcting - tons of ideas - thanks a lot to all :-) #ELTchat
SimonGreenall 10:03 PM l@antoniaclare #eltchat Haha, I feel old. Remember the oval shaped lift? :)
Shaunwilden 10:04 PM Who'd like to summarise all the ideas from tonight? #eltchat
DinaDobrou 10:04 PM Can I stay here and talk to myself for the 15 mins I missed at the beginning? lol #ELTchat\
cerirhiannon 10:04 PM great chat, great company, thx to everyone - esp'ly mods #eltchat
Shaunwilden 10:04 PM @antoniaclare I didnt say you had to stop :-) but we do need to leave time for the comp questions :-) #eltchat
SimonGreenall 10:04 PM @lacasonadelsur hat's a brilliant idea. Artifical motivation.#eltchat
antoniaclare 10:04 PM RT @cerirhiannon: RT @ljp2010: #eltchat really interesting chat today.  thanks everyone!  > seconded! > thirded ;)
DinaDobrou 10:04 PM @cerirhiannon Yeah, a plan B wouldn't work. I wouldn't have time to prepare two diff. lessons. :P #ELTchat Thnx Ceri! :)
iury_ELT 10:05 PM @Marisa_C I used to RA a lot in class but I didn't understand much So I try to focus on Ss intonation - pronunciation when they RA #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 10:05 PM RT @Marisa_C: Thanks to all - great chat, great company , now wine o'clock!!! #eltchat Wine o'clock  i second that :-)
SueAnnan 10:05 PM not me sorry. When Cert course is finished will take a turn #ELTchat
SimonGreenall 10:05 PM #eltchat  Thank you moderators again, and everyone's sparkly ideas
Marisa_C 10:05 PM Thanks to all - great chat, great company , now wine o'clock!!! #eltchat
harrisonmike 10:05 PM Thanks everyone great #ELTchat. Ta mods @Shaunwilden n @Marisa_C =)
cunningcanis 10:06 PM RT @ljp2010: #eltchat really interesting chat today.  thanks everyone!

 

 

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