| username |
time |
status |
| Marisa_C |
12:01 PM |
Welcome to #ELTchat - for the next hour my tweets will be all bout Reading Aloud - Pls Join us to discuss this topic and RT to ur friends! |
| Shaunwilden |
12:01 PM |
@escocesa_madrid Welcome :-) #eltchat |
| cybraryman1 |
12:01 PM |
First #eltchat of the day on the topic of reading aloud -starts NOW 7 am EDT |
| pro081071 |
12:02 PM |
Welcome to #ELTchat http://t.co/9EysWU5S |
| oflazmerve |
12:02 PM |
Hello everyone, I'm so happy to find some time for #ELTChat #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:02 PM |
@Shaunwilden and @Marisa_C your moderators for this #ELTchat - Pls ask us for help if new to this :-) |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:02 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Welcome 2 #ELTchat - 4 the nxt hour my tweets will B all bout Reading Aloud - Pls Join us 2 discuss ths topic &RT 2ur friends! |
| Shaunwilden |
12:02 PM |
@Marisa_C am sat here reading aloud all the tweets to see if it helps my english #eltchat |
| eltbakery |
12:02 PM |
Good morning everyone! #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:02 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Welcome to #ELTchat - for the next hour my tweets will be all bout Reading Aloud - Pls Join us to discuss this topic and RT to ur friends! |
| rliberni |
12:03 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: RT @Marisa_C: Welcome 2 #ELTchat - 4 the nxt hour my tweets will B all bout Reading Aloud - Pls Join us 2 discuss ths topic &RT 2ur friends! |
| rliberni |
12:03 PM |
@Marisa_C Hi I'm here too :-) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:03 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C am sat here reading aloud all the tweets to see if it helps my english #eltchat > Can hear u all the way 2 Athens |
| JoshSRound |
12:03 PM |
Hi everyone, it's been a while! #eltchat |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:03 PM |
@Shaunwilden Haha! #eltchat |
| du_siemens |
12:04 PM |
What's the topic today, guys? #ELTChat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:04 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C am sat here reading aloud all the tweets to see if it helps my english #eltchat |
| SimonGreenall |
12:04 PM |
@Marisa_C Hi Marisa and Shaun, and everyone #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:04 PM |
@eltbakery hi & welcome #ELTChat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:04 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Welcome to #ELTchat - for the next hour my tweets will be all bout Reading Aloud - Pls Join us to discuss this topic and RT to ur friends! |
| Marisa_C |
12:04 PM |
RT @rliberni: @Marisa_C Hi I'm here too :-) #eltchat n> Hey! Here is another moderator!!!! Welcome Berniiiii!!! :-D |
| oflazmerve |
12:04 PM |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden LOL:) I don't think it'll work #ELTchat |
| eltbakery |
12:04 PM |
Hello @JoshSRound @oflazmerve Great to be here too! #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:04 PM |
@pro081071 @oflazmerve #ELTchat@AlexandraKouk #ELTChat #ELTchat@JoshSRound #ELTchat Welcome all! |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:05 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Something more to get you think about reading aloud @kenwilsonlondon blogged about this http://t.co/ZkVLVq07 #ELTchat |
| JoshSRound |
12:05 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: So then reading aloud pointless activity yes? #eltchat >have to say am not normally a fan |
| rliberni |
12:05 PM |
@Shaunwilden mm is very useful when checking writing I find #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:05 PM |
@SimonGreenall Yay!!!! Welcome ! Love to have you on #ELTchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:05 PM |
@Shaunwilden no! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:05 PM |
So then reading aloud pointless activity yes? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:06 PM |
Ok so let me throw another grenade reading aloud is not reading #eltchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:06 PM |
@JoshSRound @Shaunwilden That even makes the teacher bored |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:06 PM |
Helps with pronunciation and speaking aspects, like chunking #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:06 PM |
RT @JoshSRound: RT @Shaunwilden: So then reading aloud pointless activity yes? #eltchat >have to say am not normally a fan > Agree? or Not? |
| eltbakery |
12:06 PM |
@shaunwilden I don't usually do it with my groups, but don't think it's at all bad. #ELTChat |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:06 PM |
I find that a very small minority of students actually enjoy and get something from readying aloud. #ELTchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:07 PM |
@Marisa_C depends - certainly, after the initial reading comprehension stage #ELTChat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:07 PM |
@Shaunwilden When teaching in a country like Indonesia reading aloud is needed to check on their pronunciation & punctuation marks #ELTChat |
| du_siemens |
12:07 PM |
I do think that reading aloud helps teacher raise students' awareness to pronunciation and to some other aspects. #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:07 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Ok so let me throw another grenade reading aloud is not reading #eltchat I'd agree with that absolutely it isn't |
| mthornton78 |
12:07 PM |
@cybraryman1 I did a joint class read aloud last yr via Skype. Connecting classes in New York and Virginia. #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
12:07 PM |
RT @escocesa_madrid: #ELTchat I'm onboard. AT least for the first half! Me too - maybe a bit longer, but leaving early. |
| oflazmerve |
12:07 PM |
@AlexandraKouk I believe that can make the Ss focus on only the pronunciation but not the content:( #ELTchat |
| JoshSRound |
12:07 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: Helps with pronunciation and speaking aspects #ELTChat yes, but always needs some preparation before performance |
| eltbakery |
12:07 PM |
@escocesa_madrid I agree. Don't think my students enjoy it, esp because they don't usually do in L1 #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:07 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: Helps with pronunciation and speaking aspects, like chunking #ELTChat > When? At what stage of the lesson Alex? |
| rliberni |
12:07 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: Helps with pronunciation and speaking aspects, like chunking #ELTChat very true |
| eltbakery |
12:08 PM |
@escocesa_madrid I find kids love doing it. Not because they love reading aloud, but because the focus of the lesson is on them. #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:08 PM |
@mmgrinberg welcome #eltchat |
| Englishonthenet |
12:08 PM |
#eltchat Use reading aloud often for pron, reinforcing vocab learning + having sts communicate instructions rather than me. |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:08 PM |
@Shaunwilden maybe not but it helps students on the early stage #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:08 PM |
I don't think we should forget that some stds really like doing this and I don't see any real harm if it floats their boat #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:08 PM |
@Raquel_EFL Kalimera! #ELTCHAT |
| mmgrinberg |
12:08 PM |
Hi everyone, sorry I'm late #eltchat |
| JoshSRound |
12:08 PM |
RT @rliberni: RT @Shaunwilden: Ok so let me throw another grenade reading aloud is not reading #eltchat I'd agree with that > me too |
| Marisa_C |
12:08 PM |
Ok, it looks like you all don't see Reading Aloud as Allowed for checking understanding of content??? #ELTchat |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:08 PM |
@eltbakery I had one class last year where all 6 students loved it. WAnted to do it everyday! #ELTchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:08 PM |
RT @rliberni: RT @Shaunwilden: Ok so let me throw another grenade reading aloud is not reading #eltchat #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:08 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Ok so let me throw another grenade reading aloud is not reading >> Agreed #eltchat |
| eltbakery |
12:08 PM |
We should ask ourselves when was the last time we actually read aloud in our own free time, not when teaching #ELTChat |
| du_siemens |
12:08 PM |
However, the focus will not be on reading, but on speaking... am I mistaken? #ELTChat |
| timjulian60 |
12:08 PM |
#eltchat if ss have time to prepare can be useful used sparingly - I often record 1to1 stds very useful for pron |
| Marisa_C |
12:09 PM |
them #eltchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:09 PM |
@Marisa_C I think reading aloud does not give a lot of chance to check understanding:( #ELTchat |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:09 PM |
@eltbakery Yes, that may be true. #ELTChat |
| BobK99 |
12:09 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Ok so let me throw another grenade reading aloud is not reading #eltchat ! Deep one, that. Hmmm... (thinks) |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:09 PM |
RT @rliberni: I don't think we should forget that some stds really like doing this and I don't see any real harm if it floats their boat #eltchat |
| Englishonthenet |
12:09 PM |
#eltchat My impression is that sts generally enjoy reading aloud. |
| Marisa_C |
12:09 PM |
Good point about kids loving reading aloud #eltchat - and comment about spotlight on then |
| theteacherjames |
12:09 PM |
I'm with @kenwilsonlondon on this one: http://t.co/3GwrinpB #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:09 PM |
RT @Englishonthenet: #eltchat Use reading aloud often for pron, reinforcing vocab learning + having sts communicate instructions rather than me. |
| rliberni |
12:09 PM |
RT @cybraryman1: My Read Aloud links: http://t.co/VVLZaccN #ELTchat |
| JoshSRound |
12:09 PM |
Reading aloud is not a real world skill - when do we ever need to do it? #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:09 PM |
RT @eltbakery: @escocesa_madrid I find kids love doing it. Not because they love reading aloud, but because the focus of the lesson is on them. #ELTChat |
| cybraryman1 |
12:09 PM |
My Read Aloud links: http://t.co/VVLZaccN #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:09 PM |
RT @du_siemens: I do think that reading aloud helps teacher raise students' awareness to pronunciation and to some other aspects. #ELTChat |
| Collaborative |
12:09 PM |
#eltchat #iatefl Cypris Chat English Learning - Break-Even Analysis for #SL vrs #Kitely vrs #Gaming http://ow.ly/6ArIW |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:10 PM |
@eltbakery They have the control. My Ss introduced me to the idea of popcorn reading. They choose how much they read. #ELTChat |
| eltbakery |
12:10 PM |
My YLs love being on the spotlight (when reading aloud). It's a chance of having 'the power' of everyone listening to them. #ELTChat |
| oflazmerve |
12:10 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Good point about kids loving reading aloud #eltchat - and comment about spotlight on then #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:10 PM |
@AlexandraKouk lol - interesting slip ..... :-D #ELTChat |
| JoshSRound |
12:10 PM |
RT @oflazmerve: @Marisa_C reading aloud does not allow to check understanding:( #ELTchat > agree, often other factors impede comprehension |
| e_siemens |
12:10 PM |
@rliberni Totally agreed... and they are always willing to read, isn't that right? #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:10 PM |
When I was a 5th grade school st, we did a lot of reading aloud [in English and Russian] and I loved it. Why dU think? #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:10 PM |
can help focus on finer nuisances of meaning - so, yes, it can help focus on content #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:10 PM |
RT @cybraryman1: My Read Aloud links: http://t.co/V9JcKlue #ELTchat > thanks Jerry!!! You have a page for EVERYTHING! |
| rliberni |
12:10 PM |
@JoshSRound with our children, reading stories is a lovely skill! #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:10 PM |
RT @cybraryman1: My Read Aloud links: http://t.co/VVLZaccN #ELTchat |
| e_siemens |
12:10 PM |
@JoshSRound Well, we also don't need to describe pictures on a daily basis, but when we do an exam, we have to... #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:10 PM |
RT @JoshSRound: Reading aloud is not a real world skill - when do we ever need to do it? #eltchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:11 PM |
I agree the students love reading aloud but what is our aim for that? checking pronuncation? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:11 PM |
For YLs RA is an activity which has "face" with them AND the parents #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:11 PM |
Ok Kids do but e.g. when you're in presentation, don't you dislike the person reading their slides aloud? #ELTChat |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:11 PM |
@Marisa_C LOL #ELTChat |
| eltbakery |
12:11 PM |
@escocesa_madrid Can you explain more about popcorn reading? #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:11 PM |
RT @Englishonthenet: @JoshSRound #eltchat Grammar exercises not a real world skill either, but does that mean we shouldn't use them? Gr8 pt |
| e_siemens |
12:11 PM |
@escocesa_madrid That sounds interesting. How does it work? #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:11 PM |
RT @eltbakery: My YLs love being on the spotlight (when reading aloud). It's a chance of having 'the power' of everyone listening to them. #ELTChat |
| Englishonthenet |
12:11 PM |
@JoshSRound #eltchat Grammar exercises not a real world skill either, but does that mean we shouldn't use them? |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:12 PM |
RT @eltbakery: My YLs love being on the spotlight (when reading aloud). It's a chance of having 'the power' of everyone listening to them. #ELTChat |
| du_siemens |
12:12 PM |
As someone has already mentioned it, reading aloud is not gonna improve one's reading skills since the focus is on speaking? #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:12 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RA a great skill to teach teachers on a Language Development course #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:12 PM |
As a checking skill for writing I find it invaluable you almost always stumble where there's an error - gd for stds to learn this #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:12 PM |
RA a great skill to teach teachers on a Language Development course #eltchat |
| Collaborative |
12:12 PM |
#eltchat Japan creates online 'chat robots' to converse with English language students http://ow.ly/6ArQY |
| eltbakery |
12:12 PM |
True @ShaunWilden In Presentations, I hate when they read their slides aloud. If it's written there, why read if others can read? #ELTChat |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:12 PM |
@e_siemens Std reads as much or as little of the text as they want, then say 'Popcorn eg. Ben', then Ben starts reading. #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:12 PM |
@MrWriteCzech well as a juggler and unicycler.......nice to meet you the other week albeit briefly #ELTChat |
| JoshSRound |
12:12 PM |
RT @rliberni: with our children, reading stories is a lovely skill! #eltchat >so true, but that is different… (cont) http://t.co/Aca6AFT7 |
| Marisa_C |
12:12 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Ok Kids do but e.g. when you're in presentation, don't you dislike the person reading their slides aloud? #ELTChat >Hate it |
| Marisa_C |
12:13 PM |
@AlexandraKouk the "nuiSances" of reading - yea i'd say RA a big nuisance sometimes - esp for the observer of a class (like MOI!) #ELTChat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:13 PM |
When we read aloud at school, we did a lot of pron / intonation work, and I guess I acquired quite a few patterns #eltchat |
| Englishonthenet |
12:13 PM |
@Shaunwilden Absolutely. Reading loud definitely not to be encouraged in context of presentations. #eltchat |
| du_siemens |
12:13 PM |
@Shaunwilden @eltbakery I hate when they read and when they write everything they have to say... LOL #ELTChat #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:13 PM |
@JoshSRound yes, agreed but I was looking for real life examples #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:13 PM |
RT @MrWriteCzech:Reading Eng is tough. Speaking Eng is tough. Why make pple do them both at same time? Like juggling + unicycling! #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:14 PM |
@JoshSRound @japglish and learning things by heart - ok enough :-) #eltchat |
| JoshSRound |
12:14 PM |
@Englishonthenet yes but grammar excercises part of lang acquisition process - is reading aloud unseen text to a group? #eltchat |
| eltbakery |
12:14 PM |
I get many SS trying to make no mistakes with pron while reading aloud, and actually not paying attention to the txt itself. #ELTChat |
| du_siemens |
12:14 PM |
@escocesa_madrid I sometimes do it here, but I didn't know it was called Pop Corn Reading. #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:14 PM |
RT @mmgrinberg: When we read aloud at school, we did a lot of pron / intonation work, and I guess I acquired quite a few patterns #eltchat |
| du_siemens |
12:14 PM |
@mmgrinberg Definitely. I could say the same about myself... #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:14 PM |
@japglish @JoshSRound also making speeches & other amateur public speaking #eltchat |
| du_siemens |
12:14 PM |
RT @mmgrinberg: When we read aloud at school, we did a lot of pron / intonation work, and I guess I acquired quite a few patterns #eltchat |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:14 PM |
In popcorn reading the students control how much or how little they read, then choose the next student to read. #ELTChat |
| teacherhigor |
12:15 PM |
@Shaunwilden #ELTchat reading aloud is (bad) pronunciYion practice, at least of long texts. |
| Shaunwilden |
12:15 PM |
@eltbakery Yes cos they're too worried about making a mistake in a public arena #ELTChat |
| parrpakala |
12:15 PM |
@eltbakery toally dislike RA by presenters #eltchat |
| du_siemens |
12:15 PM |
@eltbakery They are reading for the sake of improving pronunciation, intonation and some of aspects of the lgg. Right? #ELTChat |
| oflazmerve |
12:15 PM |
@eltbakery I agree.Ss cannot focus on the meaning while doing smtg else #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:15 PM |
RT @gknightbkk: Has anyone tried using speech to text apps like Dragon? If you don't speak clearly you get garbage on screen #eltchat |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:15 PM |
@du_siemens Me neither! That's what my students called it! #ELTChat |
| theteacherjames |
12:15 PM |
When I read aloud in my Port. class, I don't concentrate on anything other than pronunciation. Content, meaning are forgotten. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:15 PM |
RT @gknightbkk: Has anyone tried using speech to text apps like Dragon? If you don't speak clearly you get garbage on screen #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:15 PM |
I think that reading aloud cont-sly is evil, but drilling a short passage might be valuable #eltchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:15 PM |
When I was a student, RA was fun because we laughed at others mistakes:( #ELTchat |
| gknightbkk |
12:15 PM |
Has anyone tried using speech to text apps like Dragon? If you don't speak clearly you get garbage on screen #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:16 PM |
@escocesa_madrid oh I do that too here in my class,it's even interesting with a fairy tale,they have to do dwarfs' or giant's voice #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:16 PM |
@Shaunwilden for pronwork #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:16 PM |
@Marisa_C fun but for what purpose? #ELTChat |
| oflazmerve |
12:16 PM |
@rliberni @gknightbkk I think those tools are great to work individually but not in class.Am I right? #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:16 PM |
@e_siemens I think so too part of 'showing off' why not so long as it isn't harmful #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:16 PM |
I think voice tools like Voki - voicethread etc are great for reading alound practice #ELTchat and fun to do - Ss read own text of course |
| mmgrinberg |
12:16 PM |
Even today I still can remember some of the passages we 'read to death' and that's... not so bad! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:17 PM |
@SimonGreenall In that sense then, chunking, marking the pauses is useful for them #eltchat |
| cybraryman1 |
12:17 PM |
RT @bennettscience: Now, w/ G+ hangouts, you can read and show the story w/ screen share and they can read along/see pictures. #ELTchat |
| SimonGreenall |
12:17 PM |
Some language groups, esp E&SE Asia find sense groups and pausing in English difficult. RA+choral RA can help develop an awareness.#eltchat |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:17 PM |
@yitzha_sarwono Yes, I think doing the voices makes it more fun and motivating for them. #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:17 PM |
@oflazmerve yes but where else would people get a platform? I've worked w/stds who needed to speak publically special skill #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:17 PM |
*nuances like when you change intonation, the meaning changes so what does the writer really means and how would you read it aloud #ELTChat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:17 PM |
@Shaunwilden Pron, also you learn it by heart with all the collocations this way. It's similar to chants. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:17 PM |
RT @eltbakery: I get SS trying to make no mistakes with pron while reading aloud, and actually not paying attention to the txt #ELTChat |
| du_siemens |
12:17 PM |
Do we all agree that reading aloud does not help students to improve their reading skills? #ELTChat |
| harrisonmike |
12:18 PM |
Short texts are better for reading aloud, I think. Otherwise it can take up a lot of time. #eltchat |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:18 PM |
I'm afraid I have to go already. Looking forward to reading the summary. Enjoy the rest of #ELTchat everyone |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:18 PM |
RT @SimonGreenall: Some language groups, esp E&SE Asia find sense groups and pausing in English difficult. RA+choral RA can help develop an awareness.#eltchat |
| du_siemens |
12:18 PM |
@Marisa_C I guess it is. Where else would they have the chance to work on that? #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:18 PM |
@oflazmerve this is true if you read aloud it's not about meaning but delivery - it has to be meaningful for your audience thought #eltchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:18 PM |
@yitzha_sarwono @escocesa_madrid Acting makes it interesting and they can try to understand that way #ELTchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:18 PM |
RT @SimonGreenall: Some language groups, esp E&SE Asia find sense groups and pausing in English difficult. RA+choral RA can help develop an awareness.#eltchat |
| MCiscart |
12:18 PM |
RT @cybraryman1: My Read Aloud links: http://t.co/VVLZaccN #ELTchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:19 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: RA can be as short as a few sentences, with focus on meaning #ELTchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:19 PM |
@harrisonmike can be even wasting time:( missing many things to cover:( #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:19 PM |
@mmgrinberg I have no issue using it for pron but wouldn't use a whole text #ELTChat |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:19 PM |
RA can be as short as a few sentences, with focus on meaning #ELTChat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:19 PM |
@Marisa_C @SimonGreenall here we call it :' reading with tones'. #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:19 PM |
RT @du_siemens: @eltbakery They are reading for the sake of improving pronunciation, intonation and some of aspects of the lgg. Right? #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:19 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: Short texts are better for reading aloud, I think. Otherwise it can take up a lot of time. #eltchat > gd point |
| mmgrinberg |
12:19 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: Short texts are better for reading aloud, I think. Otherwise it can take up a lot of time. #eltchat Totally agree!! |
| oflazmerve |
12:19 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: Short texts are better for reading aloud, I think. Otherwise it can take up a lot of time. #ELTchat |
| SimonGreenall |
12:19 PM |
@Marisa_C Yes, it's a pragmatic choice for appropriate methodology #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:19 PM |
RT @japglish: @rliberni @JoshSRound all seem pretty authentic contexts to me .... empowering, confidence building contexts, even #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:19 PM |
@gknightbkk I don't use Dragon with learners, think it could be a real disincentive. Not an accurate reflection of intelligibility. #eltchat |
| du_siemens |
12:19 PM |
@escocesa_madrid Thank you for the Pop Corn thing. #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:20 PM |
RT @SimonGreenall: Some language groups, esp E&SE Asia find sense groups and pausing in English difficult. RA+choral RA can help develop an awareness.#eltchat |
| eltbakery |
12:20 PM |
True @japglish @theteacherjames focus on pron, depends on reasons for activity. RA may take up a lot of time and not too effective #ELTChat |
| padgets |
12:20 PM |
RT @cybraryman1: My Read Aloud links: http://t.co/VVLZaccN #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:20 PM |
@du_siemens So can you give me aim for using the whole text please #ELTChat |
| oflazmerve |
12:20 PM |
RT @du_siemens: @Shaunwilden I guess I would use the whole text depending on what my aim was... #ELTchat |
| JoshSRound |
12:20 PM |
RT @japglish: @harrisonmike U R right. Have observed some terrible lessons with teachers swigging tea and learners doing RA #eltchat > me 2 |
| padgets |
12:20 PM |
RT @cybraryman1: First #eltchat of the day on the topic of reading aloud -starts NOW 7 am EDT |
| gknightbkk |
12:20 PM |
@theteacherjames Good answer. Helps me though ;-) #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:20 PM |
@japglish Of course pron is fine, but when it's the reason for using a text it's such a wasted opportunity. There are better ways. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:20 PM |
@du_siemens I think so seems to be the consensus #eltchat |
| du_siemens |
12:20 PM |
@Shaunwilden I guess I would use the whole text depending on what my aim was... #ELTChat |
| harrisonmike |
12:20 PM |
Reading aloud can help identify reading comp issues, such as dyslexia. Learners read what they think they read, not what's there #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:20 PM |
@escocesa_madrid bye,thanks for sharing ^^ #ELTChat |
| SimonGreenall |
12:20 PM |
RT @yitzha_sarwono: @Marisa_C @SimonGreenall here we call it :' reading with tones'. #ELTChat> Thank you for useful piece of terminology. |
| Marisa_C |
12:20 PM |
If I use reading aloud, I don't use it for reading comprehension #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:20 PM |
@Shaunwilden No, of course never!! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:21 PM |
@PrettyButWise Yes, if Ss alloed to rehearse, check pron dictionaries, and prepare properly, otherwise boring and not v useful #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:21 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @SimonGreenall In that sense then, chunking, marking the pauses is useful for them #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:21 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: #ELTChat I might ask Ss to read a passage or lines of dialogue with a particular attitude, e.g. "passionately" |
| oflazmerve |
12:21 PM |
I would definitely make a group of Ss act while one of them is reading aloud #ELTchat |
| eltbakery |
12:21 PM |
RT @JoshSRound: RT @japglish: @harrisonmike Have observed some terrible lessons with Ts swigging tea&learners doing RA #eltchat > me 3 |
| rliberni |
12:21 PM |
@AlexandraKouk I agree about nuance jokes of course have to be 'read' aloud and this is fun and useful imo #eltchat |
| du_siemens |
12:21 PM |
@Shaunwilden Working on pronunciation, intonation, pauses? Sometimes they read word by word and that's not real life, is it? #ELTChat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:21 PM |
@oflazmerve @escocesa_madrid yes,that's the aim cause we want to know whether they can read it nicely & keep the lesson interesting #ELTChat |
| PrettyButWise |
12:21 PM |
@Marisa_C reading aloud can improve pronouncing don't u agree ? #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:21 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: [...] Learners read what they think they read, not what's there #eltchat > yeah, it's a good checking tool, agree |
| du_siemens |
12:21 PM |
@rliberni Yeah. Never have I seen such a controversial topic. #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:22 PM |
Is RA fun? Does it add variety?#eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:22 PM |
Or I might ask Ss to read sth as if they were some famous person - class has to guess who #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:22 PM |
What about RA nice plays, drama etc #eltchat ? |
| Shaunwilden |
12:22 PM |
@du_siemens I still wouldn't use the whole text selected bit maybe but not the whole text #ELTChat |
| theteacherjames |
12:22 PM |
I think there are many better ways of practicing pronunciation, & many better ways to use a text than reading aloud. #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:22 PM |
RT @Raquel_EFL: Auditory learners remember best through hearing or saying items aloud. #ELTCHAT |
| rliberni |
12:22 PM |
RT @oflazmerve: @yitzha_sarwono @escocesa_madrid Acting makes it interesting and they can try to understand that way #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:22 PM |
RT @Raquel_EFL: Auditory learners remember best through hearing or saying items aloud. #ELTCHAT |
| rliberni |
12:23 PM |
RT @japglish: @rliberni reading with intonational attitude is fun - pretty much like drama, I might argue #eltchat |
| JoshSRound |
12:23 PM |
RT @eltbakery: I've seen an activity to pract adj of feeling w teens: RA a short passage and change intonation accord to feeling #ELTChat |
| eltbakery |
12:23 PM |
I've seen an activity to pract adj of feeling w teens: RA a short passage and change intonation accord to feeling #ELTChat |
| oflazmerve |
12:23 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Or I might ask Ss to read sth as if they were some famous person - class has to guess who. #ELTchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:23 PM |
Also, they can write up a roleplay text and read it aloud first, as a rehearsal / memory aid before acting it out #ELTCHAT |
| PrettyButWise |
12:23 PM |
@Marisa_C also u can ask them to read nonwords or letters arranged diffirently to improve their reading ability and speed #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:23 PM |
RT @rliberni: Is RA fun? Does it add variety?#eltchat Not in my opinion no |
| du_siemens |
12:23 PM |
@bethcagnol Reading Aloud. #ELTCHAT |
| JoshSRound |
12:23 PM |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C yes, dialogue which cd be rehearsed first - to practise attitudinal intonation - good idea #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:23 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: Short texts are better for reading aloud, I think. Otherwise it can take up a lot of time. #eltchat |
| bethcagnol |
12:23 PM |
Just stumbled upon #ELTCHAT over lunch. What's the topic? |
| mmgrinberg |
12:23 PM |
RA political speeches? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:23 PM |
RT @SimonGreenall: @Marisa_C Yes, it's a pragmatic choice for appropriate methodology #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:24 PM |
Surely reading (aloud or otherwise) in class should(?) be to complete some kind of task? There shud be a reason for reading, right? #eltchat |
| eadschoe |
12:24 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: If I use reading aloud, I don't use it for reading comprehension #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:24 PM |
I often use RA w coursebook dialogues. Understand -> RA -> Remember -> Personalize #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:24 PM |
RT @rliberni: RT @japglish: @rliberni reading with intonational attitude is fun - pretty much like drama, I might argue #eltchat |
| du_siemens |
12:24 PM |
One of the drawbacks of reading aloud is that students tend to expose themselves and I'm not sure if they appreciate it sometimes. #ELTChat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:24 PM |
@Marisa_C that's a nice activity! would definitely try it :) #ELTChat |
| bethcagnol |
12:24 PM |
@mmgrinberg thanks Mike. #ELTChat |
| oflazmerve |
12:24 PM |
RA seems to be boring unless it has extra activities #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:24 PM |
@bethcagnol How can you just stumble upon it - it's should be tattooed on your brain - Wedn 12 and 9 :-) #ELTChat |
| PrettyButWise |
12:24 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @PrettyButWise Yes, if Ss alloed to rehearse, check pron dictionaries, and prepare properly, otherwise boring and not v useful #eltchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:25 PM |
@rliberni I agree.the reasons will definitely help #ELTchat |
| Englishonthenet |
12:25 PM |
#eltchat What about using RA to renforce roman alphabet for sts from different alphabet backgrounds? |
| rliberni |
12:25 PM |
RT @bethcagnol: Anyone use TV series scripts as a fun reading aloud activity? #ELTChat |
| du_siemens |
12:25 PM |
@bethcagnol Never tried it. #ELTChat |
| SimonGreenall |
12:25 PM |
@harrisonmike Fair point. Problem is, pron and RA are difficult to integrate into a communicative class. #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:25 PM |
RT @bethcagnol: Anyone use TV series scripts as a fun reading aloud activity? #ELTChat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:25 PM |
@harrisonmike With lower levels, the reason is to be able to personalize it later, to build confidence #eltchat |
| JoshSRound |
12:25 PM |
RT @mmgrinberg: I often use RA w coursebook dialogues. Understand -> RA -> Remember -> Personalize #eltchat good idea |
| bethcagnol |
12:25 PM |
Anyone use TV series scripts as a fun reading aloud activity? #ELTChat |
| eadschoe |
12:25 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: I think voice tools like Voki - voicethread etc are great for reading alound practice #ELTchat and fun to do - Ss read own text of course |
| oflazmerve |
12:25 PM |
Ss need to know about their aim just like in all the other activities. #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:25 PM |
@oflazmerve I think it can be a really fun activity depends on the texts you choose, your reasons and how you approach it #eltchat |
| JoshSRound |
12:25 PM |
RT @du_siemens: One of the drawbacks of RA is that sts tend to expose themselves and I'm not sure if they appreciate it sometimes. #ELTChat |
| oflazmerve |
12:26 PM |
Do you think RA would help Ss overcome their fears to use English in class? #ELTchat |
| bethcagnol |
12:26 PM |
@JoshSRound @du_siemens What do you mean by expose themselves? They do that when they speak, don't they?#ELTChat |
| JoshSRound |
12:26 PM |
RT @rliberni: RT @japglish: @du_siemens Good point - a bit of choral reading warm up might help weaker Ss #eltchat > choral RA yes!! |
| SimonGreenall |
12:26 PM |
@Englishonthenet Yes.My guess is that RA is more prevalent in non-Roman alphabet countries. #eltchat |
| KarenInGreece |
12:26 PM |
@harrisonmike I agree! I don't like to see teachers have students read aloud 'for the sake of it' #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:26 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: How about reading in different accents? Like in your best RP, regional English accent, or a comedy [insert language] accent #eltchat |
| du_siemens |
12:26 PM |
@rliberni I have tried that and it was great. #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:26 PM |
How about reading in different accents? Like in your best RP, regional English accent, or a comedy [insert language] accent #eltchat |
| eltbakery |
12:26 PM |
@harrisonmike There should be a reason for reading, true! And Ts should have a clear aim for that while planning. #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:26 PM |
RT @japglish: @JoshSRound @du_siemens Good point - a bit of choral reading warm up might help weaker Ss #eltchat poetry! |
| KarenInGreece |
12:26 PM |
RT @JoshSRound: RT @du_siemens: One of the drawbacks of RA is that sts tend to expose themselves and I'm not sure if they appreciate it sometimes. #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:26 PM |
RT @japglish: @JoshSRound @du_siemens Good point - a bit of choral reading warm up might help weaker Ss #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:27 PM |
@oflazmerve No i think it would increase their stress levels #ELTChat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:27 PM |
I remember a nice RA activity from somewhere for large groups when ss stand up / move etc when they hear certain words; 1 wd/stdnt #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:27 PM |
@bethcagnol I used script from 'Friends' & ' Lizzie mc guire' series,later we'll watch the film on it to see how the really say it #ELTChat |
| JoshSRound |
12:27 PM |
RT @japglish: @rliberni @JoshSRound @du_siemens the dreaded "jazz chant" !!!! #eltchat > nice! ;-)) #eltchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:27 PM |
@rliberni @harrisonmike Oo yes, using different accents could be fun. #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:27 PM |
@harrisonmike this could be fun Liverpool, Scottish, Newcastle? (advanced stds) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:27 PM |
@harrisonmike nice idea #eltchat |
| PrettyButWise |
12:27 PM |
we can ask Ss to read aloud then repeat what they have been reading without looking to the passage itself #eltchat |
| JoshSRound |
12:28 PM |
RT @bethcagnol: @du_siemens ..expose themselves? They do that when they speak, don't they?#ELTChat more 'perfo… (cont) http://t.co/XHWs9Tvy |
| oflazmerve |
12:28 PM |
@Shaunwilden @oflazmerve Maybe the ones who are very shy to make a sentence on their own could love it #ELTchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:28 PM |
When do we read aloud in L1 in real life?? #eltchat To children? Is it a valuable skill per se? |
| bethcagnol |
12:28 PM |
@Shaunwilden Heading to tattoo place right after lunch. Putting it on left hand. #ELTCHAT ;-) |
| du_siemens |
12:28 PM |
RT @eltbakery: @harrisonmike Reading in different accents for Adv Ss might be a fun activity. There's a gr8 video http://t.co/WicyNQb5 #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:28 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: We can argue about the benefits of reading aloud, but what are the other sts doing? Just waiting their turn? Lots of wasted time. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:28 PM |
RT @eltbakery: @harrisonmike Reading in different accents for Adv Ss might be a fun activity. There's a gr8 video http://t.co/WicyNQb5 #ELTChat |
| theteacherjames |
12:28 PM |
We can argue about the benefits of reading aloud, but what are the other sts doing? Just waiting their turn? Lots of wasted time. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:28 PM |
@rliberni @harrisonmike hmm isnt that encouraging mockery #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:28 PM |
With YLS could have older children read to younger then it's a really authentic activity #eltchat |
| eltbakery |
12:28 PM |
@harrisonmike Reading in different accents for Adv Ss might be a fun activity. There's a gr8 video http://t.co/WicyNQb5 #ELTChat |
| PrettyButWise |
12:28 PM |
@oflazmerve yes i agree it works and has many advantages #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:28 PM |
@PrettyButWise Allow only three quick sneaky looks at text - but is that reading aloud I wonder or is it memorising #eltchat |
| bethcagnol |
12:28 PM |
@du_siemens I use The Office (American version). My business English students LOVE it. First season early episodes are best. #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:29 PM |
RT @japglish: @rliberni activities like videoing Ss as news presenters also a form of RA #eltchat really good example! |
| harrisonmike |
12:29 PM |
@Shaunwilden @rliberni It would have to be done sensitively, obviously #eltchat |
| TutorMe_Online |
12:29 PM |
@bethcagnol That's a great idea (though reading out stage directions by mistake as in play scripts would be a common problem!!) #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:29 PM |
RT @PrettyButWise: @Marisa_C reading then memorising , it helps them in grammar and new vocabulary #eltchat |
| eltbakery |
12:29 PM |
True! RT @rliberni: @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames I think it all depends how you set it up, the aims and the content #eltchat |
| gormang |
12:29 PM |
RT @cybraryman1: My Read Aloud links: http://t.co/VVLZaccN #ELTchat |
| JoshSRound |
12:29 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @theteacherjames Agree - so if you do it they should be using some criteria - intonation, pauses, sounds etc #eltchat |
| du_siemens |
12:29 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @theteacherjames Agree - so if you do it they should be using some criteria - intonation, pauses, sounds etc #eltchat |
| PrettyButWise |
12:29 PM |
@Marisa_C reading then memorising , it helps them in grammar and new vocabulary #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:29 PM |
@oflazmerve So if they are shy we are shy how can putting them on spot help? #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:29 PM |
@Shaunwilden @theteacherjames I think it all depends how you set it up, the aims and the content #eltchat |
| du_siemens |
12:29 PM |
@JoshSRound Definitely. #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:29 PM |
@theteacherjames Agree - so if you do it they should be using some criteria - intonation, pauses, sounds etc #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:29 PM |
@SimonGreenall That's why I think any reading aloud (or pron work) could be in small discrete chunks in a class #eltchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:30 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @oflazmerve @theteacherjames Simple, dont do RA in class #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:30 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames Give them a comprehension task, turn it into a listening activity for them? #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:30 PM |
I guess we sometimes RA in L1, let's say when we share a document and then ask 4 advice. So it's a real skill, isn't it? #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:30 PM |
@Shaunwilden @theteacherjames Give them a comprehension task, turn it into a listening activity for them? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:30 PM |
RT @Englishonthenet: #eltchat What about using RA for an unplugged listening comprehension exercise - ask a st to be the audio. |
| theteacherjames |
12:30 PM |
@oflazmerve @Shaunwilden Avoid reading aloud? ;-) #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:30 PM |
RT @annehodg: Reading aloud? Sure! I use it for student practice on their own scripts for presentations so they can focus on intonation #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:30 PM |
@oflazmerve @theteacherjames Simple, dont do RA in class #ELTChat |
| ddeubel |
12:30 PM |
RT @JoshSRound: Reading aloud is not a real world skill - when do we ever need to do it? #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:30 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: @SimonGreenall That's why I think any reading aloud (or pron work) could be in small discrete chunks in a class #eltchat |
| Englishonthenet |
12:30 PM |
#eltchat What about using RA for an unplugged listening comprehension exercise - ask a st to be the audio. |
| annehodg |
12:30 PM |
Reading aloud? Sure! I use it for student practice on their own scripts for presentations so they can focus on intonation #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:30 PM |
@PrettyButWise yes agree but it's not RD #eltchat |
| lu_bodeman |
12:30 PM |
Interesting. Where can we find them? >> RT @bethcagnol: Anyone use TV series scripts as a fun reading aloud activity? #ELTChat |
| theteacherjames |
12:30 PM |
@bethcagnol I like your 'The Office' tip, I'll have to dig out a few clips. #ELTChat |
| BobK99 |
12:30 PM |
RT @bethcagnol: ... The Office (American version). My business Eng students LOVE it. First season early episodes best. #ELTChat? must try |
| oflazmerve |
12:30 PM |
@Shaunwilden @theteacherjames The other Ss should do smtg meaningful and exciting but how??? #ELTchat |
| TutorMe_Online |
12:31 PM |
@JoshSRound But the skills/experience it develops are ALL real world based- speaking aloud, confidence, articulation, communication #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:31 PM |
@Shaunwilden Great minds etc! #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:31 PM |
RT @bethcagnol: Reading aloud texts should probably be reserved 4 those who are training 2 read CNN teleprompters & that's it, to be frank. #ELTChat . |
| oflazmerve |
12:31 PM |
RA sometimes cause Ss to grab the worst pronunciation of a word but not the right one:( #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:31 PM |
@harrisonmike @Shaunwilden Why do that as reading aloud? Might as well play a cd or video clip and let everyone take part. #eltchat |
| bethcagnol |
12:31 PM |
Reading aloud texts should probably be reserved 4 those who are training 2 read CNN teleprompters & that's it, to be frank. #ELTChat . |
| JoshSRound |
12:31 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @oflazmerve @Shaunwilden Avoid reading aloud? ;-) #ELTchat basically, yep |
| Marisa_C |
12:31 PM |
@bethcagnol Nice idea Beth #ELTChat |
| dane1434 |
12:31 PM |
RT @cybraryman1: My Read Aloud links: http://t.co/VVLZaccN #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:31 PM |
@theteacherjames I like your thinking -) #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:31 PM |
RT @bethcagnol: Anyone use TV series scripts as a fun reading aloud activity? #ELTChat > Great idea - can record them on top of scenes too |
| du_siemens |
12:32 PM |
@eltbakery Did it work? #ELTChat |
| eltbakery |
12:32 PM |
I've tried watching a vid w no sound and ss reading the script using the intonation they think best suit the actions in the scene #ELTChat |
| oflazmerve |
12:32 PM |
RT @harrisonmike @Shaunwilden Why do that as reading aloud? Might as well play a cd or video clip and let everyone take part. #ELTchat |
| TutorMe_Online |
12:32 PM |
RT @SimonGreenall: Some language groups, esp E&SE Asia find sense groups and pausing in English difficult. RA+choral RA can help develop an awareness.#eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:32 PM |
RT @annehodg: Reading aloud what they write is a step on the path of becoming aware of differences bet written and spoken English #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:32 PM |
RT @annehodg: Reading aloud what they write is a step on the path of becoming aware of differences bet written and spoken English #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:32 PM |
RT @annehodg: Reading aloud what they write is a step on the path of becoming aware of differences bet written and spoken English #eltchat |
| du_siemens |
12:32 PM |
@oflazmerve What about the teacher? Can't we correct their mistakes / slips? #ELTchat |
| PrettyButWise |
12:32 PM |
@theteacherjames no a clever teacher would ask them to repeat what they have been listening to or to find an answer a question #eltchat |
| annehodg |
12:32 PM |
Reading aloud what they write is a step on the path of becoming aware of differences bet written and spoken English #eltchat |
| PrettyButWise |
12:33 PM |
RT @eltbakery: I've tried watching a vid w no sound and ss reading the script using the intonation they think best suit the actions in the scene #ELTChat |
| annehodg |
12:33 PM |
@bethcagnol Agree! Reading aloud scripts written by others is not a natural learner activity. #eltchat |
| TutorMe_Online |
12:33 PM |
@JoshSRound @du_siemens but that exposure can bring huge dividends of confidence&real sense of achievement too - "you CAN do it!" #eltchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:33 PM |
Instead of RA what they wrote, musical chairs activity can be great fun http://t.co/inyAoWdE #ELTchat |
| PrettyButWise |
12:33 PM |
@Marisa_C mabey ! #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:33 PM |
RT @eltbakery: I've tried watching a vid w no sound and ss reading the script using the intonation they think best suit the actions in the scene #ELTChat |
| harrisonmike |
12:33 PM |
@theteacherjames @Shaunwilden Cos at the same time you can assess sts reading skills and pron #eltchat |
| du_siemens |
12:34 PM |
@eltbakery Do you think it would work with more basic students? #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:34 PM |
@harrisonmike why u getting angry here? #eltchat |
| PrettyButWise |
12:34 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @annehodg: Reading aloud what they write is a step on the path of becoming aware of differences bet written and spoken English #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:34 PM |
RT @bethcagnol: Reading aloud texts should probably be reserved 4 those who are training 2 read CNN teleprompters & that's it, to be frank. #ELTChat . |
| harrisonmike |
12:34 PM |
Reading, and being able to work the sounds of the language is bloody important. Otherwise you get 'Ware eez zee twalet' #eltchat |
| JoshSRound |
12:34 PM |
@TutorMe_Online just think RA raises many side-issues & pitfalls; those real world skills can be better developed in other ways #eltchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:34 PM |
@eltbakery that's great and exciting for the Ss #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:34 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: Reading, and working with the sounds of the language is bloody important. Otherwise you get 'Ware eez zee twalet #ELTChat |
| du_siemens |
12:34 PM |
@TutorMe_Online Yeah. I've never thought about it... Good point. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:34 PM |
So, it looks like a good idea to have some tasks for the Ss listeting to S reading aloud - either evaluating or guessing #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:34 PM |
I don't think we should be saying never say never but looking at why , - I believe there are times when you can & should #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:34 PM |
@oflazmerve musical chairs? #eltchat |
| eltbakery |
12:34 PM |
@du_siemens It worked with Adv ss, good way to make them think of how they r saying each line. #ELTChat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
12:35 PM |
Reading aloud and having the language analysed for prosody is a very different way of learning. - http://t.co/VE8Violl #eltchat |
| bethcagnol |
12:35 PM |
@lu_bodeman Google "TV scripts" or google a line from the show and put it in "". #ELTChat |
| du_siemens |
12:35 PM |
@eltbakery I might try it. #ELTChat |
| annehodg |
12:35 PM |
@harrisonmike Disagree! We place far too much emphasis on assessing pronon and not enough on teaching it! #eltchat |
| eltbakery |
12:35 PM |
@du_siemens Yes, depending on the level of the dialogues, it could be challenging for them. #ELTChat |
| JoshSRound |
12:35 PM |
RT @rliberni: I don't think we should be saying never say never but looking at why , - I believe there are times when you can & should #eltchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:35 PM |
@mmgrinberg @oflazmerve Ss change desks to read each others work but not aloud.while doing that the T plays music #ELTchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:35 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: So, it looks like a good idea to have some tasks for the Ss listeting to S reading aloud - either evaluating or guessing #eltchat |
| ddeubel |
12:35 PM |
@TutorMe_Online Why not have students present (not RA) what they read - that would better address the skills you mention. #eltchat |
| bethcagnol |
12:35 PM |
@TutorMe_Online Stage directions R in parentheses. They learn that quickly. & that offers fab vocab (grumble, whisper, beat, etc) #ELTChat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:35 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: Reading, and being able to work the sounds of the language is bloody important. Otherwise you get 'Ware eez zee twalet' #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:36 PM |
@PrettyButWise It sounds like a way of trying to justify the activity, rather than choosing an effective exercise in the 1st place. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:36 PM |
RT @eyespeakbrasil: Reading aloud and having the language analysed for prosody is a very different way of learning. - http://t.co/VE8Violl #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:36 PM |
@JoshSRound unless you have a std who need to speak publicly or s'one who wants to tell jokes in the office :-) #eltchat |
| du_siemens |
12:36 PM |
@annehodg Couldn't agree more with you. #eltchat |
| du_siemens |
12:36 PM |
RT @annehodg: @harrisonmike Disagree! We place far too much emphasis on assessing pronon and not enough on teaching it! #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:36 PM |
@oflazmerve Thanks! I usually put it on the walls, they discuss it in pairs #Eltchat |
| JoshSRound |
12:37 PM |
@rliberni agree that in some cases it cd be a useful task, praps more so in 121s - the approach to RA has to be thought thru #eltchat |
| ddeubel |
12:37 PM |
RT @oflazmerve: @mmgrinberg @oflazmerve Ss change desks to read each others work but not aloud.while doing that the T plays music #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:37 PM |
@harrisonmike @Marisa_C I dont think it is being disregarded as a pron activity #ELTChat |
| lu_bodeman |
12:37 PM |
@bethcagnol Should've know Father Google is the answer. :-) Thanks, Beth. #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:37 PM |
@harrisonmike Cool - :-) #eltchat #badtweetingetiquette |
| du_siemens |
12:37 PM |
Once I had my ss put the dialogue in order and then acting it out in front of the class. After I played the listening to check. #ELTChat |
| theteacherjames |
12:37 PM |
@harrisonmike @Shaunwilden Hmmm, sounds like there's too much going on at the same time for me... #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:37 PM |
@Marisa_C Sorry didn't mean to sound angry. I feel it's too important to disregard totally #eltchat #badtweetingetiquette sorry all =/ |
| TutorMe_Online |
12:38 PM |
Reading aloud is an essential way to pick up on reading probs/words kids can't understand/pronounce - otherwise you'd never know #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:38 PM |
@oflazmerve Thanks #eltchat |
| lu_bodeman |
12:38 PM |
That's how I see it too. 4 Pronun.>RT @Shaunwilden: @harrisonmike @Marisa_C I dont think it is being disregarded as a pron activity #ELTChat |
| BobK99 |
12:38 PM |
RT @BobK99: If video has subtitles, you can put a strip of thin paper to mask them. The static on the screen keeps it in place.! #eltchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:38 PM |
@mmgrinberg @oflazmerve musical chairs motivate them and makes it fun with the music and everything:) #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:38 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @harrisonmike @Marisa_C I dont think it is being disregarded as a pron activity #ELTChat > agree - but ..(cont.) |
| uniquelanguages |
12:38 PM |
#eltchat There's a place for RA. Don't go crazy with it but good for pronunciation in particular. |
| harrisonmike |
12:38 PM |
@annehodg It's all linked. Assessing to teaching and back round again. I didn't mean reading aloud in total isolation #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:39 PM |
RT @TutorMe_Online: Reading aloud is an essential way to pick up on reading probs/words kids can't understand/pronounce - otherwise you'd never know #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
12:39 PM |
RT @BobK99: One day I'll learn to use the tagv :-) #eltchat |
| Englishonthenet |
12:39 PM |
#eltchat As a language learner I often RA to focus on pron difficulties. |
| Marisa_C |
12:39 PM |
(..cont? If i do use it I prefer to get them to read dialogue for pron etc fter all it's spoken language they need to improve #eltchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:39 PM |
Why not using drama techniques for RA?That can make the Ss feel a real atmosphere #ELTchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:39 PM |
@oflazmerve @mmgrinberg That sounds interesting re:musical chairs #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:40 PM |
You can ask tweetdeck to include the hastag in your responses automatically #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:40 PM |
1/2 It's not just pron tho is it? It's linked to meaning too. Like u work out that 'two' and 'to' and 'too' have the same sound... #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
12:40 PM |
@Marisa_C If they get constant feedback, and analytics they can see how to improve pron. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:40 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @harrisonmike @Marisa_C I dont think it is being disregarded as a pron activity #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:41 PM |
@ddeubel good point - Ive seen it used as a test of learning or St having done their studying at home #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:41 PM |
RT @ddeubel: For children RA can be very traumatic and have long term effects. Use with caution. Teachers use it too often as control. #eltchat |
| du_siemens |
12:41 PM |
RT @TutorMe_Online: @du_siemens Great idea - combining RA with other skills to achieve rewarding results #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:41 PM |
@Marisa_C Really I didn't know that Marisa what you learn at #eltchat!! |
| oflazmerve |
12:41 PM |
The problem is what other Ss do during RA activities.If it is a drama activity,they will make everyone busy at the same time #ELTchat |
| du_siemens |
12:41 PM |
@Marisa_C I believe our next #eltchat should be about "TweetDeck - How to use it" because it can be quite complicated sometimes. LOL |
| mmgrinberg |
12:41 PM |
So, after all, I wd say RA is a rather exotic activity that can oftn b replaced w smth else, except for dialogues and memorizing #eltchat |
| ddeubel |
12:41 PM |
For children RA can be very traumatic and have long term effects. Use with caution. Teachers use it too often as control. #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:41 PM |
2/2 ..but different meanings, and you need to read/listen/understand the context to work out which is the correct word #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:41 PM |
@harrisonmike Well yes but then context will give the meaning for that #eltchat |
| TutorMe_Online |
12:41 PM |
@du_siemens Great idea - combining RA with other skills to achieve rewarding results #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:42 PM |
@rliberni yep go to tools #eltchat |
| TutorMe_Online |
12:42 PM |
@du_siemens yes- and that's another benefit of RA surely - how different interpretation/intonation can affect language&meaning #eltchat |
| bethcagnol |
12:42 PM |
Really: how many real-life situations are there where we have to read aloud? #ELTChat |
| theteacherjames |
12:42 PM |
@harrisonmike In my learner experience, it's almost impossible 2 focus on meaning while reading aloud.Didn't even notice new vocab. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:42 PM |
@JoshSRound true, as with everything - so long as you're clear on your aims and it has value then why not #eltchat |
| eltbakery |
12:42 PM |
I don't think it's the best exercise to pract pron. Will u stop ss while RA to correct them? Why not monitor during a speak act? #ELTChat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:42 PM |
RT @du_siemens: Once I had my ss put the dialogue in order and then acting it out in front of the class. After I played the listening to check. #ELTChat |
| oflazmerve |
12:42 PM |
for ex:a tourist and a local citizen improvising #ELTchat |
| du_siemens |
12:42 PM |
@TutorMe_Online And it works just fine... It's funny to see how different the same dialogue can be... #eltchat |
| englishraven |
12:43 PM |
@japglish Yes, Raven Jnr loves it, and really likes to listen to himself and re-read the text again at the same time. #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:43 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: 2/2 ..but different meanings, and you need to read/listen/understand the context to work out which is the correct word #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:43 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: 1/2 It's not just pron tho is it? It's linked to meaning too. Like u work out that 'two' and 'to' and 'too' have the same sound... #eltchat |
| aussieargie |
12:43 PM |
use it almost every class, 4 dialogue/text. do things like "Everybody reads 1 sentence". amazing how difficult it is 4 efl ss #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:43 PM |
@Marisa_C thx :-) #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:43 PM |
RT @eltbakery: I don't think it's the best exercise to pract pron. Will u stop ss while RA to correct them? Why not monitor during a speak act? #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:43 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: RT: Watch Raven Jnr trying out this reading aloud thing, and reviewing himself... http://t.co/ZlGCD1Fp #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:43 PM |
@bethcagnol Sharing a doct w friends to ask 4 advice; to children; all kind of instructions and game rules #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:43 PM |
@bethcagnol we've done these there were quite a few we found :-) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:43 PM |
RT @englishraven: RT: Watch Raven Jnr trying out this reading aloud thing, and reviewing himself... http://t.co/ZlGCD1Fp #eltchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:43 PM |
@bethcagnol maybe not very but still worth to try:) #ELTchat |
| englishraven |
12:43 PM |
RT: Watch Raven Jnr trying out this reading aloud thing, and reviewing himself... http://t.co/KZ7FhSVV #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:44 PM |
@englishraven always did RA when learning French at school we liked it - short things poems etc.. #eltchat |
| PrettyButWise |
12:44 PM |
@theteacherjames mabey but sometimes activity focuses on one S and can't include all Ss #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:44 PM |
RT @japglish: @bethcagnol drama, speechmaking, some presentations (semi scripted), other content subjects ... etc #eltchat |
| du_siemens |
12:44 PM |
@theteacherjames Strangle him? LOL #ELTChat |
| theteacherjames |
12:44 PM |
@harrisonmike About a paragraph. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:44 PM |
@theteacherjames oh how painful it isand how often it's done!!!! #ELTChat |
| harrisonmike |
12:44 PM |
@theteacherjames How long where the strings of text you were reading? #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:44 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: RT: Watch Raven Jnr trying out this reading aloud thing, and reviewing himself... http://t.co/ZlGCD1Fp #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:44 PM |
@eltbakery Agreed, my teacher interrupts & corrects every mistake & I want to strangle him!! #ELTChat |
| harrisonmike |
12:45 PM |
RT @mmgrinberg: RA has smth 2 do w the natural 'internal monologue' Adrian Underhill likes talking abt. We oftn hear what we're rding in our heads #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:45 PM |
@Marisa_C Tell me about it!! Lovely guy, but grrrrrrr!!! #ELTChat |
| du_siemens |
12:45 PM |
Our experiences as a learner define us as a teacher, then. #ELTChat |
| eltbakery |
12:45 PM |
@theteacherjames True! Been there too while reading Hamlet at uni. #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:45 PM |
@annehodg but I loved it! The feel and the sound of the words etc.. #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:45 PM |
@theteacherjames I'd do no more than 1-2 sentences if I'm doing reading aloud #eltchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:45 PM |
@Marisa_C @englishraven I think RA best works individually or maybe in small groups #ELTchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:45 PM |
RA has smth 2 do w the natural 'internal monologue' Adrian Underhill likes talking abt. We oftn hear what we're rding in our heads #eltchat |
| annehodg |
12:45 PM |
@aussieargie I hated having to read aloud in French class, always had the feeling I was a loser - would not subject stds to that! #eltchat |
| du_siemens |
12:46 PM |
@PrettyButWise Totally. #fact #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:46 PM |
So it seems as with other things some ppl love it and some hate it some tchrs use it & some don't horses for courses I think :-) #eltchat |
| PrettyButWise |
12:46 PM |
sometimes we pronounce words correctly silently and when we read them loudly we mispronounce them #fact #eltchat don't u agree guys |
| ddeubel |
12:46 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @eltbakery Agreed, my teacher interrupts & corrects every mistake & I want to strangle him!! #ELTChat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:46 PM |
RT @eyespeakbrasil: Reading aloud is highly recommended by prof presenters - in the mirror, over and over again. #eltchat |
| KarenInGreece |
12:46 PM |
RT @ddeubel: For children RA can be very traumatic and have long term effects. Use with caution. Teachers use it too often as control. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:46 PM |
@du_siemens Can't help it!! #ELTChat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
12:46 PM |
Reading aloud is highly recommended by prof presenters - in the mirror, over and over again. #eltchat |
| du_siemens |
12:46 PM |
@rliberni I loved it too. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:46 PM |
RT @Raquel_EFL: #ELTCHAT Picture books may be one of the best read-aloud resources for teachers :) Have you ever tried this? |
| oflazmerve |
12:47 PM |
So it seems RA activities have different effect on different age groups + or - #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:47 PM |
RT @mmgrinberg: So, RA can become a confidence-building activity when staged correctly (in a non-threatening way)? #eltchat |
| uniquelanguages |
12:47 PM |
#eltchat I hated reading aloud in French as well. For group classes, it's different but I think for 1:1 it's beneficial. |
| Marisa_C |
12:47 PM |
RT @mmgrinberg: So, RA can become a confidence-building activity when staged correctly (in a non-threatening way)? #eltchat> Yes |
| mmgrinberg |
12:47 PM |
So, RA can become a confidence-building activity when staged correctly (in a non-threatening way)? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:47 PM |
RT @rliberni: So it seems as with other things some ppl love it and some hate it some tchrs use it & some don't horses for courses I think :-) #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
12:47 PM |
@annehodg #eltchat Yeah - I chiefly use it in 1-2-1 lessons, when I can say 'Wd you like to...?' |
| eltbakery |
12:47 PM |
It helps us do differently as Ts (meaning better) =] RT @du_siemens: Our experiences as a learner define us as a teacher, then. #ELTChat |
| theteacherjames |
12:47 PM |
@bethcagnol Errrrrr....... 0, nada, zilch? #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:47 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @oflazmerve the rehearsal part most especially a good idea to do in small groups #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:47 PM |
@oflazmerve the rehearsal part most especially a good idea to do in small groups #ELTchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:47 PM |
@theteacherjames @eltbakery yes,it can be very discouraging too #ELTChat |
| annehodg |
12:48 PM |
@rliberni When you teach it first OK! But not make stds do it off the bat! In my class there were good readers and bad ones #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:48 PM |
@Shaunwilden Yes, so what are we all doing here I wonder Lol :-) #eltchat |
| eltbakery |
12:48 PM |
@theteacherjames @yitzha_sarwono True.. it can be discouraging! #ELTChat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:48 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: I remember I loved reading aloud because I was good at it but can't rememer understanding any of what I was reading #Eltchat |
| KarenInGreece |
12:48 PM |
And our teacher never gave us a reason for reading aloud (before reading) and at the end would spring surprise questions on us #eltchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:48 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @oflazmerve the rehearsal part most especially a good idea to do in small groups #ELTchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:48 PM |
RT @mmgrinberg: So, RA can become a confidence-building activity when staged correctly (in a non-threatening way)? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:48 PM |
I remember I loved reading aloud because I was good at it but can't rememer understanding any of what I was reading #Eltchat |
| JoshSRound |
12:48 PM |
#eltchat Thanks everyone, good to join in once again - gotta go now |
| theteacherjames |
12:48 PM |
@harrisonmike That's much better, but I still think sts are focused on not making any mistakes & nothing else. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:48 PM |
@rliberni That sentence pretty much encapsulates the whole teaching thing though doesnt it :-) #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:48 PM |
RT: @du_siemens Our experiences as a learner define us as a teacher, then. #ELTChat >> well said |
| KarenInGreece |
12:48 PM |
I used to hate RA during my Greek course. Too much stress, couldn't follow what others were reading so often jumped ahead #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:49 PM |
RT @TutorMe_Online: @BobK99 @annehodg mmm giving an option sounds very important - not putting pressure or making student feel trapped #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:49 PM |
@annehodg it was just the done thing I think - p'haps not much thought went into it #eltchat |
| PrettyButWise |
12:49 PM |
RT @mmgrinberg: So, RA can become a confidence-building activity when staged correctly (in a non-threatening way)? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:49 PM |
@eltbakery @yitzha_sarwono Oh it is, I can confirm that 1st hand! #ELTChat |
| TutorMe_Online |
12:49 PM |
@BobK99 @annehodg mmm giving an option sounds very important - not putting pressure or making student feel trapped #eltchat |
| du_siemens |
12:49 PM |
FYI, I'm reading all your tweets aloud. LOL #ELTChat |
| 3ty3 |
12:49 PM |
@Marisa_C I think reading aloud can reveal comprehension & other difficulties -- remember noticing this when I was a kid! #eltchat |
| aussieargie |
12:50 PM |
I can't keep up! Too many gr8 ideas for RA! #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
12:50 PM |
Reading aloud can be a daily activity, a habit, with detailed feedback to enhance learning, that´s what tech does. #eltchat |
| KarenInGreece |
12:50 PM |
It's hard to comprehend a text when read out by another classmate. So you skip ahead and then get in trouble when it's your turn! #eltchat |
| PrettyButWise |
12:50 PM |
RT @3ty3: @Marisa_C I think reading aloud can reveal comprehension & other difficulties -- remember noticing this when I was a kid! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:50 PM |
RT @TutorMe_Online:mmm giving an option sounds very important - not putting pressure or making student feel trapped #eltchat gd advice |
| mmgrinberg |
12:50 PM |
RT @annehodg: @rliberni [...] In my class there were good readers and bad ones #eltchat > So maybe let those who like it do the job? |
| annehodg |
12:50 PM |
@du_siemens @rliberni As teachers we have to cater to all learning styles, remember? It's not about us. We tend to be talkers! #eltchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:50 PM |
@rliberni @mmgrinberg I agree.that's what I thought.giving an opportunity to the ones who cannot dare to use the lang #ELTchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:51 PM |
@Shaunwilden @TutorMe_Online yes,we should never force them.right #ELTchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:51 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: You can ask Ss to pick part of text they liked most, so at least they have to go through understanding first #eltchat |
| annehodg |
12:51 PM |
@Marisa_C ... and you're a natural performer! #eltchat |
| eltbakery |
12:51 PM |
RT @mmgrinberg: I think if std is reading aloud, others shouldn't have access to text. #eltchat > Very Interesting! |
| Marisa_C |
12:51 PM |
@leonwool No you just have to add #ELTchat to your texts every time |
| PrettyButWise |
12:51 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @TutorMe_Online:mmm giving an option sounds very important - not putting pressure or making student feel trapped #eltchat gd advice |
| mmgrinberg |
12:51 PM |
I think if std is reading aloud, others shouldn't have access to text. #eltchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:51 PM |
@KarenInGreece giving reasons is the most important part of each act. and RA should have one too.so I agree #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:51 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: I remember I loved reading aloud because I was good at it but can't rememer understanding any of what I was reading #Eltchat |
| SimonGreenall |
12:51 PM |
Where RA perceived as old-fashioned its rejected (dogmatic), but so many good ideas here suggests its good (pragmatic). #eltchat |
| TutorMe_Online |
12:51 PM |
For some students RA focuses so much on deciphering each word that by end of sentence they have not picked up sense/story at all #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:51 PM |
You can ask Ss to pick part of text they liked most, so at least they have to go through understanding first #eltchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:52 PM |
@rliberni @mmgrinberg but it is so funny even if we dont force them t RA,some parents already do that at home.so sad #ELTchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:52 PM |
RT @TutorMe_Online: For some students RA focuses so much on deciphering each word that by end of sentence they have not picked up sense/story at all #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:52 PM |
@annehodg Aaah more like showing off! :-D #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:52 PM |
RT @oflazmerve: @Shaunwilden @TutorMe_Online yes,we should never force them.right #ELTchat |
| PrettyButWise |
12:53 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: You can ask Ss to pick part of text they liked most, so at least they have to go through understanding first #eltchat |
| TutorMe_Online |
12:53 PM |
@mmgrinberg @annehodg @rliberni wouldn't that just make weaker Ss feel worse and not give them chance to improve? Like punishing? #eltchat |
| 3ty3 |
12:53 PM |
@Marisa_C #eltchat Also, reading aloud is a skill of its own, like story telling or news casting. |
| TutorMe_Online |
12:54 PM |
@eltbakery @mmgrinberg great idea - pass one text around the class!This also would mean other Ss not correcting/criticising errors! #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:54 PM |
@TutorMe_Online @annehodg @rliberni No, it's about letting them choose #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:54 PM |
@TutorMe_Online I'd agree with you on that , i def see it at as detrimental #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
12:54 PM |
If when reading aloud a sts voice is recorded and compared to a native teacher, then reading aloud hits a new level of engagement #eltchat |
| PrettyButWise |
12:54 PM |
@3ty3 totally agree with u #eltchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:54 PM |
RT @3ty3: @Marisa_C #eltchat Also, reading aloud is a skill of its own, like story telling or news casting. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:54 PM |
RT @3ty3: @Marisa_C #eltchat Also, reading aloud is a skill of its own, like story telling or news casting. |
| Marisa_C |
12:54 PM |
@SimonGreenall Good point - being dogmatic abt anything not a great attitude - sometimes pragmatic decisions need to prevail #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:54 PM |
RT @3ty3: @Marisa_C #eltchat Also, reading aloud is a skill of its own, like story telling or news casting. |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:54 PM |
RT @3ty3: @Marisa_C #eltchat Also, reading aloud is a skill of its own, like story telling or news casting. |
| mmgrinberg |
12:54 PM |
RA in a semi-dogmetic way? 'Sorry, the photocopier isn't working, so we have only one copy of the [very interesting text]' #eltchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:54 PM |
RT @eltbakery: RT @mmgrinberg: I think if std is reading aloud, others shouldnt have access to text. #eltchat > Very Interesting! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:55 PM |
However, in many countries RA a common activity in L1 classroom & expected in L2 classes - that is a pragmatic decision #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:55 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @3ty3 Agreed, and if the sts need it for those reasons then it should be looked at otherwise not #eltchat |
| eltbakery |
12:55 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: If you haven't read it @kenwilsonlondon's post is required reading http://t.co/3GwrinpB 'Reading aloud in class is a waste of time' #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:55 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: If you haven't read it @kenwilsonlondon's post is required reading http://t.co/3GwrinpB 'Reading aloud in class is a waste of time' #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:55 PM |
@3ty3 Agreed, and if the sts need it for those reasons then it should be looked at otherwise not #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:55 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: If you haven't read it @kenwilsonlondon's post is required reading http://t.co/3GwrinpB 'Reading aloud in class is a waste of time' #eltchat |
| eltbakery |
12:55 PM |
Good! I'm not a good story teller myself RT @3ty3: #eltchat Also,reading aloud is a skill of its own, like story telling or news casting |
| theteacherjames |
12:55 PM |
If you haven't read it @kenwilsonlondon's post is required reading http://t.co/3GwrinpB 'Reading aloud in class is a waste of time' #eltchat |
| 3ty3 |
12:55 PM |
@Marisa_C #eltchat If well modelled by the teacher or other students, RA can bring reluctant readers into a story |
| rliberni |
12:55 PM |
@Marisa_C I think it is often showing off but that's part of part of learning too? #eltchat |
| du_siemens |
12:55 PM |
Gotta go. Thank you again for another thought-provoking #ELTChat. |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:55 PM |
we sometimes RA when we don't understand sth and we need to check meaning, though. How could that be used in class? #ELTCHAT |
| rliberni |
12:56 PM |
RT @SimonGreenall: @harrisonmike @Marisa_C Yes, and most important, if it works for you and your students, then do it. #eltchat I agree! |
| TutorMe_Online |
12:56 PM |
@mmgrinberg yes but letting Ss choose to simply opt out of weak areas not a good precendent? better to find other approaches? #eltchat |
| oflazmerve |
12:56 PM |
@harrisonmike bye:) #ELTchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
12:56 PM |
RT @SimonGreenall: @harrisonmike @Marisa_C Yes, and most important, if it works for you and your students, then do it. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:56 PM |
@harrisonmike cheers Mike - have some good lessons :-D #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:56 PM |
@Shaunwilden In big classes, there are probably better ways but small grps & 1:1 are different. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:56 PM |
RT @SimonGreenall: @harrisonmike @Marisa_C Yes, and most important, if it works for you and your students, then do it. #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:56 PM |
@harrisonmike See you Mike #eltchat enjoy the class |
| SimonGreenall |
12:56 PM |
@harrisonmike @Marisa_C Yes, and most important, if it works for you and your students, then do it. #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
12:56 PM |
Reading aloud is a great blended learning activity - bricks and mortar and online too! #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:56 PM |
Ta for #eltchat off to teach. See ya later |
| literacyadviser |
12:57 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: Reading aloud can help identify reading comp issues, such as dyslexia. Learners read what they think they read, not what's there #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:57 PM |
@PrettyButWise Which skills does it reveal #eltchat |
| Mo_Americanoid |
12:57 PM |
#eltchat RA has its role in helping Ss develop intonation+confidence.Read silently first,then RA.Interviews are gr8 tool. |
| mmgrinberg |
12:57 PM |
@TutorMe_Online Depends on how you stage it. There should be a nice alternative, equally challenging but in a diff way. #eltchat |
| bethcagnol |
12:57 PM |
@theteacherjames Thanks James, but I think our buddies came up with some pretty good reasons for RA. Hell, I'm convinced. ;-) #ELTChat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:57 PM |
RT @eyespeakbrasil: Reading aloud is a great blended learning activity - bricks and mortar and online too! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:57 PM |
@leonwool I can read your updates bt no one else in #ELTchat can unless u use the hashtag: #ELTchat |
| PrettyButWise |
12:57 PM |
well I'm shocked guys !! U think RA is useless !! #eltchat it helps pronounciation and reveals levels of skills in ur Ss |
| aussieargie |
12:58 PM |
it reveals sentence formation, intonation #eltchat doesn't it? |
| theteacherjames |
12:58 PM |
@bethcagnol I think very few of those situations apply to my students. It's a very rarely practiced skill. You were right! #ELTChat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:58 PM |
@bethcagnol @theteacherjames Being the devil's advocate today, use it really rarely truth be told #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
12:58 PM |
@Mo_Americanoid That is basically the way I do it in my class too :) #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:58 PM |
RT @Mo_Americanoid: #eltchat RA has its role in helping Ss develop intonation+confidence.Read silently first,then RA.Interviews are gr8 tool. |
| eltbakery |
12:58 PM |
@TutorMe_Online @mmgrinberg Nice idea! It would lead to less correcting / criticizing errors #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:58 PM |
@PrettyButWise we're split on this, a lot dep on one's experience I think #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:59 PM |
@theteacherjames @bethcagnol Am glad I have allies here ;-) #eltchat |
| PrettyButWise |
12:59 PM |
@Shaunwilden comprehension level not all Ss can read and understan what they're reading directly #eltchat |
| TutorMe_Online |
12:59 PM |
@mmgrinberg YES agreed! So it isn't a case of - the 'good' Ss do it and the 'bad' S's have to sit there and keep quiet. V imp. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:59 PM |
It's almost time to wrap up this #ELTchat - Thank you to all who joined in with such gusto! Anyone up for the Summary? |
| eltbakery |
1:00 PM |
LOL RT @mmgrinberg: Thanks everyone for another interesting #eltchat. Looking forward to reading the summary aloud! |
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