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How can we Persuade Students What is Realistic for their Level

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The full topic: 

 
How can we persuade students what is realistic for their level? (Especially in continuous enrolment where they constantly want to go up a level, but aren’t ready.) 

 

This is the transcript for #ELTchat on 31st of August 20111 12:00 P.M. BST

 

Moderators for this chat highlighted 

 

 

parrpakala

1:58 PM

RT @Marisa_C: How can we persuade students what is realistic for their level? This is the topic we will be discussing in abt 1 hr on #ELTchat

AlexandraKouk

1:58 PM

RT @Marisa_C: How can we persuade students what is realistic for their level? This is the topic on #ELTchat in abt ...!now 5m

ELTtech

1:58 PM

Gr8 day everyone!  That's my first #ELTchat

harrisonmike

1:58 PM

RT @Stylianou_E: In what ways do you figure out a student's level and where the gaps are? Suggestions? :) #esl #efl #tesol #eltchat

BrunoLeys

1:59 PM

RT @rliberni: Speak Good English campaign to focus on children http://t.co/UZgKyLO #edchat #eltchat #esl #esol #languages

ELTExperiences

2:00 PM

Great to be here for the #ELTChat.

AlexandraKouk

2:00 PM

RT @barbsaka: Yay, #ELTchat!

Marisa_C

2:00 PM

@ELTtech Welcome to #ELTchat

barbsaka

2:00 PM

Yay, #ELTchat!

Marisa_C

2:00 PM

Hello everyone and welcome to #ELTchat - for the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to this chat please join and ask for helo if new

theteacherjames

2:01 PM

I'm back for #ELTChat after my holiday. Yay!

Marisa_C

2:01 PM

@barbsaka and myself moderating this chat - @esolcourses guest moderating today! Thanks very much Sue! #ELTchat

ELTtech

2:01 PM

@barbska @Marisa_C Tks #ELTchat

efl101

2:01 PM

Hello fellow chatters #eltchat

esolcourses

2:01 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Hello welcome to #ELTchat - for the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to this chat please join and ask for help if new :-)

esolcourses

2:02 PM

RT @efl101: could someone say what we mean by 'realistic' i.e. in terms of results, exams or general functional ability...? #eltchat

barbsaka

2:02 PM

Glad to have you on board, @esolcourses :-) #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:02 PM

Shall we get started then? What kind of criteria do you use to assess what is appropriate for each level? European Common Framework?#ELTchat

ELTExperiences

2:02 PM

So what is this week's chat about?  Shall we get started? #ELTChat

efl101

2:02 PM

could someone say what we mean by 'realistic' i.e. in terms of results, exams or general functional ability...?

barbsaka

2:02 PM

I'm actually a bit curious about today's topic--how to persuade students what's realistic for their level. #eltchat

esolcourses

2:02 PM

@Marisa_C @barbsaka  happy to help out! the pleasure is mine :-) #ELTChat

OUPELTGlobal

2:03 PM

Hello everyone. Glad to be back for another elt chat. #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:03 PM

@barbsaka Me too - I have never had this problem - suggests it's more common than we think #eltchat

esolcourses

2:03 PM

@efl101 think it depends on the course, and what learners are hoping to achieve at the end of it #ELTChat

barbsaka

2:03 PM

@Marisa_C I thought the topic was getting students to realize what's realistic for their level. No? #ELTchat

ELTtech

2:04 PM

Good to see folks from #RSCON3 back @aClilToClimb #ELTchat

efl101

2:05 PM

In my case all sts aim for a certain grade, but different goals are more realistic ie up or down - which causes upset

theteacherjames

2:05 PM

I think this problem can stem from the fact that the better a student gets, the harder it becomes for them to measure progress. #ELTChat

lu_bodeman

2:05 PM

Good morning! #ELTchat for a short while...curious about the topic. :)

BobK99

2:05 PM

Sometimes  people to be persuaded are  not the sts, but their employers - paying for the training. #eltchat

esolcourses

2:05 PM

@Marisa_C @barbsaka Can only recall one student who pressed me to let them enrol on a course I felt was too difficult for them, tbh #eltchat

cioccas

2:05 PM

iBoyfriend -έΑεTamagotchi meets Rosetta StoneέΑζ  τ Language on the Move http://t.co/mNMl8UZ #ELTchat

AlexandraKouk

2:06 PM

Ss expectations often too high - easily disappointed  #ELTchat

barbsaka

2:06 PM

Perhaps a working definition of "realistic"--something achievable, with work #eltchat (Other definitions?)

efl101

2:06 PM

@theteacherjames intermediate plateau type thing?

theteacherjames

2:06 PM

...and thus they can have a distorted view of what they can achieve in the correct time period. #ELTChat

ELTtech

2:07 PM

How about stdts that are not able to move up a level but still they think they can do it? #ELTchat

AlexandraKouk

2:07 PM

achievable, useful and satisfying?   #ELTchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:07 PM

I think intermediate ss can be unrealistic about why they want to continue.  #eltchat

BobK99

2:07 PM

RT @AlexandraKouk: Ss expectations often too high - easily disappointed  #ELTchat !Amen to that!

lu_bodeman

2:07 PM

I liked that. > RT @barbsaka: Perhaps a working definition of "realistic"--something achievable, with work #eltchat (Other definitions?)

efl101

2:07 PM

@barbsaka that is a realistic aim or outcome?

Marisa_C

2:07 PM

@theteacherjames This may be true - but it looks more like an administrative than a teaching issue to me #eltchat

esolcourses

2:07 PM

RT @barbsaka: Perhaps a working definition of "realistic"--something achievable, with work #eltchat (Other definitions?) I'd agree with that

efl101

2:08 PM

@ELTtech depends why they want to move up a level perhaps? #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:08 PM

Depends on S's level of maturity: different techniques for getting them to be more realistic for adults vs teenagers perhaps? #ELTchat

barbsaka

2:08 PM

@theteacherjames Yes, time greatly determines what we can achieve :) #eltchat

efl101

2:08 PM

matching student wishes to realistic outcomes is hard, especially with sts as consumers #eltchat

baldev17

2:08 PM

RT @chickensaltash: #Back2School έΑΥFree, Easy to use resources created by students for teachers -  http://t.co/6ytnHWG  #ukedchat #edchat #msftpil #eltchat

barbsaka

2:08 PM

@efl101 Yes, a realistic aim or outcome is something that students can achieve #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:08 PM

@barbsaka The definition of realistic is bound up with the time available to the st i.e what they can achieve in the time available #eltchat

sensor63

2:09 PM

RT @efl101: matching student wishes to realistic outcomes is hard, especially with sts as consumers #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:09 PM

RT @efl101: time and ability to commit exclusively, many students have competing demands on their time and attention #eltchat

barbsaka

2:09 PM

@JoHart What kind of unrealistic expectations? #eltchat

efl101

2:09 PM

time and ability to commit exclusively, many students have competing demands on their time and attention #eltchat

esolcourses

2:09 PM

@theteacherjames  @Marisa_C  IME, s's who have been placed on courses that are wrong for them by admin is a fairly common issue #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:09 PM

What's #eltchat today?

JoHart

2:09 PM

#ELTchat as always come to this from literacy not ESL - find my disengaged youth stdnts have v unrealistic expectations

lu_bodeman

2:09 PM

I had a prob w/this. Yikes! RT @ELTtech: How about stdts that are not able to move up a level but still they think they can do it? #ELTchat

Stylianou_E

2:10 PM

How do you deal with parents, when you think a student is not ready to move up a level or take an exam? #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:10 PM

@esolcourses @Marisa_C Definitely a factor, as is the teacher not facing it head on & discussing it with the sts. #eltchat

esolcourses

2:10 PM

RT @lu_bodeman RT @ELTtech: How about stdts that are not able to move up a level but still they think they can do it? #ELTchat had this, too

esolcourses

2:11 PM

@lu_bodeman   @ELTtech I find that if you build up a relationship with learners, they tend to accept your advice (tho not always!) #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:11 PM

@efl101 Exactly, this can be a big cause of this lack of realism. #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:11 PM

I had the problem where ss did move up but were not able to handle the higher level - big motivation problem! #eltchat

efl101

2:11 PM

Students on exam course expect to pass the exam, whether that is realistic or not, this is a systemic problem I think #eltchat

ELTtech

2:11 PM

@lu_bodeman how do you usually talk to these stdts? #ELTchat

AlexandraKouk

2:11 PM

have to set clear, measurable goals  #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:11 PM

@lu_bodeman @ELTtech What about Sts who pass the exam at the level but haven't really improved as much to merit going up? #eltchat

barbsaka

2:12 PM

@JoHart So an idea of achievement not related to growth in skill but in passing grades :) #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:12 PM

RT @AlexandraKouk: should we touch on why ss have unrealistic expectations sometimes? #eltchat

lu_bodeman

2:12 PM

RT @harrisonmike: @lu_bodeman @ELTtech What about Sts who pass the exam at the level but haven't really improved as much to merit going up? #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:12 PM

should we touch on why ss have unrealistic expectations sometimes? #eltchat

efl101

2:12 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: I had the problem where ss did move up but were not able to handle the higher level - big motivation problem! #eltchat

JoHart

2:12 PM

@barbsaka #ELTchat eg attend a few classes/access LMS but not participate & expect to "pass" unit or whole qual

BobK99

2:13 PM

@Marisa_C  Youtr RT of @AlexandraKouk Didn't register in my #eltchat column. Please disable long tweets

lu_bodeman

2:13 PM

@harrisonmike That's another problem. And our placement test - which is the sole doc of measuring levels - is outdated. :( #eltchat

Englishonthenet

2:13 PM

#eltchat Ss compare themselves with others, not taking into account variety of factors that determine progress

Javidelcast

2:13 PM

I set the goal of a Cambridge exam every two years. Ss see what they have to achieve and the time they have #eltchat

ELTtech

2:13 PM

@harrisonmike OMG this means future trouble #ELTchat Once I read an article about Level descriptors That was gr8!

efl101

2:13 PM

convincing a St that they will b out of their depth @ higher levels can make difference between them sticking with it and giving up #eltchat

esolcourses

2:13 PM

RT @Marisa_C: RT @AlexandraKouk: should we touch on why ss have unrealistic expectations sometimes? #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:13 PM

RT @AlexandraKouk: should we touch on why ss have unrealistic expectations sometimes? #eltchat

esolcourses

2:14 PM

@Marisa_C  @AlexandraKouk @OUPELTGlobal think s's sometimes underestimate the amount of work they need to put in to progress #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:14 PM

@lu_bodeman IME, placement tests are usually not enough. Oral interviews most necessary to ensure good placement. #eltchat

barbsaka

2:14 PM

@AlexandraKouk Quite often that is the goal in Asia--especially with young learners :) #eltchat

lu_bodeman

2:14 PM

I present results from their study period and we discuss outcomes. RT @ELTtech: @lu_bodeman how do you usually talk to these stdts? #ELTchat

Englishonthenet

2:14 PM

#eltchat On subject of exams, how to help sts calculate the work needed to move up a band / score etc.

efl101

2:14 PM

Sts have unrealistic expectations because of advertising, career pressure, peer/parent pressure, over-estimation of own ability #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:14 PM

RT @AlexandraKouk: is it parent/peer/work pressure to get on with it and "finish" with English fast? #eltchat

JoHart

2:14 PM

@barbsaka #ELTchat - yes and this does not come from us as we always emphasise process & course is outcome/criterion based

AlexandraKouk

2:14 PM

is it parent/peer/work pressure to get on with it and "finish" with English fast?  #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:15 PM

RT @esolcourses:  think s's sometimes underestimate the amount of work they need to put in to progress #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:15 PM

@esolcourses definitely quite common  #eltchat

lu_bodeman

2:15 PM

I agree!! RT @harrisonmike: @lu_bodeman IME, plcmt tests R usually not enough. Oral interviews most necssry to ensure gd placement. #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:15 PM

Exam boards bear a big brunt of responsiblity in this respect I think. How many are passing students who shouldn't be passed? #eltchat

efl101

2:15 PM

good placement needs, interviews, diagnosis, sample work and time! #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:15 PM

One way we have used to deal with PROACT\IVELY  is the use of independent placement tests #ELTchat

barbsaka

2:15 PM

@JoHart Yes, I remember teaching in the public system :) #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:15 PM

RT @harrisonmike: @lu_bodeman IME, placement tests are usually not enough. Oral interviews most necessary to ensure good placement. #eltchat

ELTExperiences

2:15 PM

I suppose when sts finish a Pre-Int coursebook, they think they can move to an Int class. #ELTChat

Marisa_C

2:16 PM

@barbsaka By defining the level thru independent means Ss don't seem to have unrealistic ideas abt selves #ELTchat

lu_bodeman

2:16 PM

How do these work? RT @Marisa_C: One way we have used to deal with PROACT\IVELY  is the use of independent placement tests #ELTchat

ELTExperiences

2:16 PM

@Marisa_C but I think placement tests should incorporate some form of oral interview rather than a grammar based test. #ELTChat

wmchamberlain

2:16 PM

RT @Stylianou_E: How do you deal with parents, when you think a student is not ready to move up a level or take an exam? #eltchat

barbsaka

2:16 PM

@Marisa_C How do you use the tests proactively? #ELTchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:16 PM

@esolcourses not only the amount of work, but they type of participation - shy students expecting to speak  #eltchat

lu_bodeman

2:17 PM

How so? RT @Marisa_C: @barbsaka By defining the level thru independent means Ss don't seem to have unrealistic ideas abt selves #ELTchat

ELTExperiences

2:17 PM

Should placement tests be any different between closed and open groups of classes? #ELTChat

Marisa_C

2:17 PM

Normally we don't have to do this but in case of 'difficult customers' in one case St thought was MUCH lower level #ELTchat

Englishonthenet

2:17 PM

@Marisa_C any examples for sourcing independent placement tests? #eltchat

harrisonmike

2:17 PM

@AlexandraKouk This attitude to language is rubbish. You *can't* finish a language #eltchat

efl101

2:17 PM

@ELTExperiences @Marisa_C yes oral and vocabulary size test of some sort probably more important than grammar #eltchat

ELTtech

2:17 PM

RT @esolcourses: @lu_bodeman   @ELTtech I find that if you build up a relationship with learners, they tend to accept your advice (tho not always!) #eltchat

vilievska

2:17 PM

RT @yearinthelifeof: Going Paperless: YouέΑβve got to be kidding: This post sees me reflect on the need to cut down ... http://t.co/o2CEwuP #ELT #ELTchat #ESL

JoHart

2:18 PM

@barbsaka #ELTchat stdnts in literacy often just want to know what they need to do to "pass" hve found ESL stdnts less focussed on "pass" ..

Marisa_C

2:18 PM

@AlexandraKouk you know who i mean - you taught him #ELTchat - so the reverse may also be true SS think less of selves

efl101

2:18 PM

@harrisonmike @AlexandraKouk my students think you can they 'finish' English on the first stroke of midday ;-) #eltchat

ELTExperiences

2:18 PM

RT @timjulian60: #eltchat often kids do well with us but this is not  reflected in school grades, due to different evaluation  Hard to explain to parents

esolcourses

2:18 PM

RT @harrisonmike: Exam boards bear a big brunt of responsiblity in this respect I think. How many are passing students who shouldn't be passed? #eltchat

timjulian60

2:18 PM

#eltchat often kids do well with us but this is not  reflected in school grades, due to different evaluation  Hard to explain to parents

AlexandraKouk

2:18 PM

@harrisonmike  I know :-)  - still quite common though #eltchat

cherrymp

2:19 PM

hi e'1 just joining #eltchat

efl101

2:19 PM

@JoHart good point, expectation often bound up in exam pass, not ability per se. #eltchat

esolcourses

2:19 PM

@harrisonmike: agree. Assessment can often be subjective in some ways. Variability of standards between boards is another issue. #eltchat

ELTExperiences

2:19 PM

RT @Englishonthenet: #eltchat Are we too fixated on the idea of "level" anyway?  It's a very inexact science - ss' strengths and weaknesses are multi-level

harrisonmike

2:19 PM

@AlexandraKouk Proper education abt language & what learning it involves is needed 4 parents & bosses. They wouldn't listen tho =( #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:19 PM

@Englishonthenet we have used  Oxford Placement Tests very successfully #ELTchat and have developed some of our own

Englishonthenet

2:19 PM

#eltchat Are we too fixated on the idea of "level" anyway?  It's a very inexact science - ss' strengths and weaknesses are multi-level

cherrymp

2:19 PM

@Englishonthenet @Marisa_C check this one http://t.co/nXyouft  #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:19 PM

@Marisa_C  lol - I have!  #eltchat

ELTExperiences

2:19 PM

I remember in Korea, the parents were demanding more from the teachers than the YLs. I suppose it depends on who you're teaching. #ELTChat

vilievska

2:19 PM

RT @cioccas: iBoyfriend -έΑεTamagotchi meets Rosetta StoneέΑζ  τ Language on the Move http://t.co/nNRNxNs #ELTchat ... very interesting :)

eMCDesignLtd

2:20 PM

Really interesting #ELTchat today. Follow the hashtag if you are interested.

OUPELTGlobal

2:20 PM

@ELTExperiences I agree but it's a good starting point for ss.  #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:20 PM

@harrisonmike tell me about it ...  #eltchat

ELTExperiences

2:20 PM

@Englishonthenet I totally agree. Everyone learns and acquires languages differently depending on their experiences. #ELTChat

SeanBanville

2:20 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Is an MA TESOL a good investment or an expensive luxury? #ELTCHAT summary 24/08/11 http://t.co/E8mraig thx to @TyKendall

ELTExperiences

2:21 PM

@OUPELTGlobal I understand, it provides structure for languages which are quite ambiguous in many respects. #ELTChat

cherrymp

2:21 PM

@ELTExperiences @Englishonthenet very true. n teachers are often left to provide opps for all. #ELTChat

JoHart

2:21 PM

@barbsaka #ELTchat ... but I only have small "sample" ESL vs literacy cf most of you

esolcourses

2:21 PM

@OUPELTGlobal yes, agree that reluctance to join in with speaking activities can sometimes hold learners back #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:21 PM

apart from placement, we also have to set clear, measurable goals for the course itself  #eltchat

cherrymp

2:22 PM

how true> lykd too RT @AlexandraKouk: apart from placement, we also have to set clear, measurable goals for the course itself  #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:22 PM

@ELTExperiences I find helping ss understands their wkness and strngths and what they hve to do to achieve their goals is important #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:23 PM

perhaps, have Ss write down expectations at start of course, discuss what's realistic and try to adjust goals ?  #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:23 PM

But to do tutorials and stocktaking  course objectives must be transparent & accessivble to Ss #eltchat

cherrymp

2:23 PM

@OUPELTGlobal @ELTExperiences doesn't that need extra time too? #eltchat

efl101

2:23 PM

diagnosis and focus on individual sts weaknesses can help motivate and push towards incremental achievement which is time realistic #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:23 PM

@ELTExperiences I think it's important dor ss to know what the level means and take it from there - a common base for ss and TTs #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:23 PM

I think a good idea is the concept of tutorials - 1-2-1 if members of a class - stocktaking  time #eltchat - how measuring up

esolcourses

2:24 PM

@Marisa_C  @Englishonthenet I sometimes use the reward placement tests http://t.co/hPcWCrM #ELTchat (hat tip to @simongreenall :-)

Marisa_C

2:24 PM

@AlexandraKouk yes - absolutely - it;s what every good TEACHER training course does - why not do it with Ss too #ELTchat

ELTExperiences

2:24 PM

CEFR Levels are trying to pigeon sts into holes which don't fit. Why not react to learning opportunities than cover levels? #ELTChat

OUPELTGlobal

2:24 PM

@cherrymp It's always been part of my classes - making the learning personal, to each student #eltchat

Englishonthenet

2:24 PM

#eltchat Have placements tests been designed that tie in directly with European Framework?

help4ielts

2:24 PM

sometimes there's a lack of transparency/ criteria for moving sts up - esp with subjective elements.  #eltchat

lu_bodeman

2:24 PM

RT @Marisa_C: I think a good idea is the concept of tutorials - 1-2-1 if members of a class - stocktaking  time #eltchat - how measuring up

Marisa_C

2:24 PM

RT @AlexandraKouk: perhaps, have Ss write down expectations at start of course, discuss what's realistic and try to adjust goals ?  #eltchat

cherrymp

2:24 PM

RT @AlexandraKouk: perhaps, have Ss write down expectations at start of course, discuss what's realistic and try to adjust goals ?  #eltchat

lu_bodeman

2:25 PM

Good one!! RT @Marisa_C: RT @AlexandraKouk: have Ss write xpectations at start of course, discuss what's realistic + adjust goals ? #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:25 PM

then review goals regularly during the course  #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:25 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @cherrymp @AlexandraKouk And the sts need clear measurable goals for themselves. #eltchat

ELTExperiences

2:25 PM

@cherrymp @OUPELTGlobal but it is a useful exercise reacting to learners rather than dictating lessons. #ELTChat

JoHart

2:25 PM

@Englishonthenet #ELTchat Agree - level really v subjctve & also v broad in lit hve stdnts frm simple sentnce to para comptnce in same level

efl101

2:25 PM

what's realistic is also negotiated, not just my judgement as tchr.  Sts commitment and motivation have heavy impact on outcome #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:25 PM

@cherrymp @AlexandraKouk And the sts need clear measurable goals for themselves. #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:25 PM

RT @esolcourses: @Marisa_C  @Englishonthenet I sometimes use the reward placement tests http://t.co/zO9WLy7 #ELTchat

cherrymp

2:25 PM

@ELTExperiences i think the levels give you a tool to measure - sth acceptable to all #ELTChat

cherrymp

2:26 PM

@ELTExperiences @OUPELTGlobal reacting to the learners make it more spontaneous. Ts need to be open for that. #ELTChat

efl101

2:26 PM

Does setting goals equate to convincing sts of how realistic their expectations are? #eltchat

ELTtech

2:26 PM

@AlexandraKouk I loved the idea of setting goals w stdts at the beginning of a course #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:26 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @AlexandraKouk: then review goals regularly during the course #eltchat> YES

theteacherjames

2:26 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Another very good idea is the use of student portfolios - print or online, they provide evidence of progress +/- #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:26 PM

RT @AlexandraKouk: then review goals regularly during the course #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:26 PM

Another very good idea is the use of student portfolios - print or onile, they provide evidence of progress +/- #eltchat

ELTExperiences

2:26 PM

@cherrymp I agree but the precursor should be the learners and then relate to the CEFR/Level at the end of lesson/course/week/etc #ELTChat

cherrymp

2:26 PM

@OUPELTGlobal but how many Ss make up your class generally? #eltchat

Grade1

2:26 PM

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ELTExperiences

2:27 PM

A good link for portfolios with levels, etc. #ELTChat

lu_bodeman

2:27 PM

@annehodg Nice. Will need to try that! #eltchat

cherrymp

2:27 PM

@ELTExperiences sounds fine for me. sth to take up at the end. #ELTChat

ELTtech

2:27 PM

RT @Marisa_C: RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @AlexandraKouk: then review goals regularly during the course #eltchat> YES

help4ielts

2:27 PM

sts don't fit neatly into levels - they get confused when really r higher level in some areas bt not ready to move up 'cos of lacks #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:27 PM

@cherrymp My classes are usually between 15 to 30 students,  YLs to adults #eltchat

ELTExperiences

2:27 PM

@cherrymp but the levels provide a tool to measure something that's unmeasurable. It can be referred to. #ELTChat

AlexandraKouk

2:28 PM

RT @ELTExperiences: A good link for portfolios with levels, etc. #ELTChat

cherrymp

2:28 PM

@ELTExperiences that's the whole point rt - to capture the construct n operationalise it and retest it n d cycle goes on. #ELTChat

JoHart

2:28 PM

@Marisa_C #ELTchat Agree we use portfolios always in lit & with ESl students who join us 'cos no specialist ESL available in region

AlexandraKouk

2:28 PM

RT @ELTtech: @AlexandraKouk I loved the idea of setting goals w stdts at the beginning of a course #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:28 PM

RT @theteacherjames: RT @Marisa_C: Another very good idea is the use of student portfolios - print or online, they provide evidence of progress +/- #eltchat

lu_bodeman

2:28 PM

RT @Marisa_C: Another very good idea is the use of student portfolios - print or onile, they provide evidence of progress +/- #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:28 PM

RT @ELTExperiences: A good link for portfolios with levels, etc. #ELTChat >thanks \Martin

AlexandraKouk

2:28 PM

@efl101 we're not in the equation business - lol: nothing so clear-cut, but it's a start  #eltchat

cherrymp

2:28 PM

@OUPELTGlobal imagine the #Myanmar classrooms where college Ts deal with around 100 Ss then! #eltchat

Mr_Schenk

2:28 PM

#eltchat I think Zoo much levelling might keep us from embracing diversity as general strength in our classrooms.

cherrymp

2:29 PM

@Marisa_C @ELTExperiences portfolio is a wonderful idea - once again the T n the Ss need to be patient to see it evolve over time. #ELTChat

theteacherjames

2:29 PM

@ELTtech @AlexandraKouk I think it's essential. The sts & the teacher need to share their goals, collaborate & feedback on them. #ELTchat

efl101

2:29 PM

@AlexandraKouk Just not sure if getting sts to measure their progress will convince them that they have an unrealistic expectation #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:29 PM

@JoHart but portfolios too need clear descriptions of criteria - very often Ts unclear - why art of testing so difficult #ELTchat

ELTtech

2:29 PM

@Marisa_C portfolios Hum din't think of that b4. This is also gr8 #ELTchat

lu_bodeman

2:30 PM

They R wonderful. RT @ELTtech: @Marisa_C portfolios Hum din't think of that b4. This is also gr8 #ELTchat

efl101

2:30 PM

@AlexandraKouk Might just show them that they are progressing but doesn't always show whether an aim is achievable #eltchat

ELTtech

2:30 PM

RT @Marisa_C: RT @ELTExperiences: A good link for portfolios with levels, etc. #ELTChat >thanks \Martin

OUPELTGlobal

2:30 PM

I think learner autonomy and learning to learn are very important aspects of the EFL classroom - making ss more reposbonsible #eltchat

esolcourses

2:31 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @efl101 If they are guided in making them effectively, goal setting gives sts a realistic target to achieve. #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:31 PM

@efl101 If they are guided in making them effectively, goal setting gives sts a realistic target to achieve. #eltchat

cherrymp

2:31 PM

@efl101 @AlexandraKouk @OUPELTGlobal sometimes Ss may not be ready for self-evaluation. learner expectations might be different. #eltchat

esolcourses

2:31 PM

@Marisa_C @JoHart think goals need to be clear, but also think they need 2 be flexible enough to tweak if necessary as s's progress #ELTchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:31 PM

@efl101 don't sts adjust their expectations based on their classwork? #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:31 PM

On the other hand, I don't see what is wrong with some challenge #ELTchat - Ss may rise to motivating challenges

ELTtech

2:31 PM

RT @ELTExperiences: A good link for portfolios with levels, etc. #ELTChat

JoHart

2:32 PM

@Marisa_C #ELTchat criteria "relatively" easy for us in lit - our course heavily criterion refe'd & with range & required skills/knowledge

ELTtech

2:32 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: I think learner autonomy and learning to learn are very important aspects of the EFL classroom - making ss more reposbonsible #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:32 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @efl101 If they are guided in making them effectively, goal setting gives sts a realistic target to achieve. #eltchat

Stylianou_E

2:32 PM

@AlexandraKouk writing goals on paper brings us closer to achieving them. It would definitely help Ss! I'll try that, thanks:) #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:32 PM

@cherrymp true - it needs learner training  #ELTChat

BobK99

2:32 PM

RT @efl101: ...not sure if getting sts to meas. their progress will convince them that they have an unrealistic expect'n #eltchat ! Exactly!

Marisa_C

2:32 PM

And to be quite honest English language courses take forever to do in some countries - no wonder parents get impatient #ELTchat

ELTExperiences

2:32 PM

Levels are relative I suppose, I remember covering 'used to' with elementary Japanese sts but this grammar assumed to be Pre-Int+ #ELTChat

AlexandraKouk

2:32 PM

@efl101 I see what you mean, but at least they can see they're making SOME progress and avoid getting too demotivated  #ELTChat

cherrymp

2:32 PM

RT @3ty3: D Best websites  4 #English Language #Students | via @Larryferlazzo | http://t.co/U0YGiO2 | #elt #esl #efl #ell #eltchat #engchat

Marisa_C

2:33 PM

@JoHart I teach objectives specifications Jo and it seems to be one of the most difficult goals for Ts #ELTchat

ELTExperiences

2:33 PM

One question: is levels more important for groups of sts or one-to-one? If there's a difference why? #ELTChat

efl101

2:33 PM

Goal setting I think only works where there is no externally set goal such as in an exam or qualification? #eltchat

cherrymp

2:33 PM

@Marisa_C isn't that because english is learned as a subject and not as a skill. for many #Myanmar Ss english is still not real. #ELTchat

help4ielts

2:33 PM

@AlexandraKouk Learning training esp difficult on short courses #eltchat

efl101

2:33 PM

@OUPELTGlobal think it depends where they are headed, many are so focused on exam etc that interim steps are not important to them? #eltchat

efl101

2:34 PM

@AlexandraKouk True about motivation, but... motivating sts not the same as convincing them of realism of expectation? #eltchat

Oksan_ocakturk

2:34 PM

RT @Marisa_C: RT @ELTExperiences: A good link for portfolios with levels, etc. #ELTChat >thanks \Martin

cherrymp

2:34 PM

wish i could stay back. hope i'd be back before the #eltchat ends.

AlexandraKouk

2:34 PM

@help4ielts  only too true...  #ELTChat

cherrymp

2:34 PM

RT @vickyloras: Number Seventeen έΑΥ Help Them Shine! έΑΥ The 30 Goals Challenge http://t.co/OO23kJa #30goals #ELTChat #esl #esol #efl #engchat

esolcourses

2:35 PM

@efl101 I'd say you can set goals for exam-based courses,  provided that they are broadly mapped to the exam syllabus #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:35 PM

@ELTExperiences & just because someone is an pre-int reader doesn't mean they can't be an upp-int listener. #ELTChat

OUPELTGlobal

2:35 PM

I don't mind an exam as a goal. I can then work with sts on what that goal means and what they need to do to achieve it.  #eltchat

BobK99

2:35 PM

RT @efl101: Goal setting I think only works w  no externally set goal such as in an exam or qual? #eltchat@ Did I hear any1 say 'SMART'?

lu_bodeman

2:35 PM

RT @esolcourses: RT @theteacherjames: @efl101 If they are guided in making them effectively, goal setting gives sts a realistic target to achieve. #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:35 PM

@cherrymp No- in Greece e,g, it's because private lang schools have a no of yrs - 8 or 9 to get to CPE level #ELTchat  TOO LONG!!!!

AlexandraKouk

2:35 PM

RT @ELTExperiences: One question: is levels more important for groups of sts or one-to-one? If there's a difference why? #ELTChat

AlexandraKouk

2:36 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: I don't mind an exam as a goal. I can then work with sts on what that goal means and what they need to do to achieve it.  #eltchat

Mr_Schenk

2:36 PM

@efl101 #ELTChat I agree. The extrinsic motivation of Passung the exam will always be strongest. Sadly...

ELTExperiences

2:36 PM

@theteacherjames so true James. What are levels compared to: the NT, CEFR, Coursebook, School, etc? #ELTChat

help4ielts

2:36 PM

@OUPELTGlobal passing exam = real goal, not just perceived goal. we have to take that on board. #eltchat

Stylianou_E

2:36 PM

portfolios can help reflecting, SS can see what they achieved through time,and feel confident,even if little progress was made #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:36 PM

RT @theteacherjames: @ELTExperiences & just because someone is an pre-int reader doesn't mean they can't be an upp-int listener. #ELTChat

AlexandraKouk

2:37 PM

RT @help4ielts: @OUPELTGlobal passing exam = real goal, not just perceived goal. we have to take that on board. #eltchat

Englishonthenet

2:37 PM

@ELTExperiences #eltchat Question of level much more applicable in groups - not so impt with 121. Mixed level classes can work...

ELTExperiences

2:37 PM

@Mr_Schenk @efl101 good old backwash! #ELTChat

efl101

2:37 PM

@esolcourses Do you mean as way-points/bench-marks?  #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:37 PM

@efl101 I would hope the sts have other expectations for Eng beyond passing an exam. Hopeful? #eltchat

help4ielts

2:38 PM

extrinsic motivation -> problems that interfere w/ intrinsic motivation. Increase  intrinsic thro autonomy, competence, relatedness #eltchat

ELTExperiences

2:38 PM

@Englishonthenet Interesting. So are mixed classes suitable so stronger sts can help lower level sts? #ELTChat forgot the tag.

AlexandraKouk

2:38 PM

RT @Marisa_C: @Englishonthenet with  1-2-1 there is much more room for negotiation  and experimentation #ELTchat

Marisa_C

2:38 PM

@Englishonthenet with  1-2-1 there is much more room for negotiation  and experimentation #ELTchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:38 PM

RT @ELTExperiences: @Mr_Schenk @efl101 good old backwash! #ELTChat #eltchat

ELTtech

2:39 PM

@Englishonthenet I work with mixed level classes. Do you? You also mentioned multilevel #ELTchat

efl101

2:39 PM

@Mr_Schenk Yes, sadly true about extrinsic motivation #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:39 PM

The problem is general to other education fields - the notion that "I have attended sth" therefore I now know it? #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:39 PM

@efl101 the main goal with exam based courses is to pass,  but learners working at a higher level can be given more challenge  #eltchat

Mr_Schenk

2:39 PM

@ELTExperiences @englishonthenet #ELTChat exactly my point.

lu_bodeman

2:39 PM

@OUPELTGlobal But I certainly agree that learner autonomy / resp is extremly impt. #eltchat

efl101

2:39 PM

@ELTExperiences @Mr_Schenk Backwash - the bane of teachers everywhere! #eltchat

BobK99

2:40 PM

RT @efl101: @ELTExperiences @Mr_Schenk Backwash - the bane of teachers everywhere! #eltchat! B/W - not a word I've met...?

ELTExperiences

2:40 PM

RT @Marisa_C: The problem is general to other education fields - the notion that "I have attended sth" therefore I now know it? #ELTchat

AlexandraKouk

2:40 PM

RT @Marisa_C: The problem is general 2 other education fields - the notion that "I have attended sth" therefore I now know it?.true #ELTchat

yitzha_sarwono

2:40 PM

RT @CeciELT: RT @Marisa_C: Is an MA TESOL a good investment or an expensive luxury? #ELTCHAT summary 24/08/11 http://t.co/fsM46zL thx to @Ty

efl101

2:41 PM

@esolcourses agree totally but whether a st has realistic shot at exam or no is tricky, if no then why bother if focus is only exam #eltchat

ELTExperiences

2:41 PM

@ELTtech @Englishonthenet Are mixed ability classes any different to multi-level? #ELTChat

JoHart

2:41 PM

@Marisa_C #ELTchat Maybe training has impact I am dual qual teacher & trainer & see ppl with academic bckgrnd struggle w outcms/critria ..

efl101

2:42 PM

@BobK99 as in the exam washes back on the course, what is in the exam dictates what u teach not just generally improving their Eng. #eltchat

ELTtech

2:42 PM

@ELTExperiences @Englishonthenet I see a lot of benefit w lower level stdts multilevel classes They boost learning dramatically #ELTchat

help4ielts

2:42 PM

@Marisa_C  Not just sts - get some t's who say "I've taught sth" so they should know it. #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:43 PM

@efl101 If the exam is good, then teaching to it should help the sts too. no? #eltchat

JoHart

2:43 PM

@Marisa_C #ELTchat ..and also see opposite with vocational/training ppl struggle with academic - highly knowledge based objectives

AlexandraKouk

2:43 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @help4ielts: @Marisa_C Not just sts - get some t's who say "I've taught sth" so they should know it. #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:43 PM

RT @help4ielts: @Marisa_C Not just sts - get some t's who say "I've taught sth" so they should know it. #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:44 PM

what is a good exam?  #ELTChat

esolcourses

2:44 PM

@efl101 by focusing on the syllabus in the broad sense, I mean aiming for the bases but also being willing to take a detour :-) #eltchat

help4ielts

2:44 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: @efl101 If the exam is good, then teaching to it should help the sts too. no? #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:44 PM

@OUPELTGlobal indeed! #eltchat

lu_bodeman

2:44 PM

SO True! Osmossis?? lol RT @Marisa_C: The problem is gen to other education fields - "I have attended sth" therefore I now know it? #ELTchat

Stylianou_E

2:44 PM

@esolcourses @efl101 passing the exam can only be a short term goal, not the long term one  #eltchat

help4ielts

2:45 PM

too often we teach coursebook / to exam / syllabus - rather than teaching the sts #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:45 PM

@AlexandraKouk seems like a good topic for an eltchat! #eltchat

efl101

2:45 PM

@Stylianou_E but for many sts it is THE goal for career etc and actual ability is a by-product - box-ticking world #eltchat

brad5patterson

2:45 PM

Going Paperless: YouέΑβve got to be kidding: http://ow.ly/6dqyo by @yearinthelifeof #ELT #ELTchat #ESL

lu_bodeman

2:46 PM

Sorry but I need to go. :( Great chat!! Thx again ,especially to moderators @Marisa_C @esolcourses and @barbsaka. (4got hashtag: #eltchat)

Mr_Schenk

2:46 PM

#eltchat what does "teaching to an exam" mean?

OUPELTGlobal

2:46 PM

RT @help4ielts: too often we teach coursebook / to exam / syllabus - rather than teaching the sts #eltchat

esolcourses

2:46 PM

@efl101 @Stylianou_E I wouldn't choose to teach to an exam based syllabus myself these days tbh, but many teachers have to #ELTChat

BobK99

2:46 PM

RT @AlexandraKouk: what is a good exam?  #ELTChat ! Aha - maybe the key is to get the sts to buy into the specifics of the exam (not jst IT)

efl101

2:46 PM

@OUPELTGlobal Yes, no any good exams? Oh sorry, of course you do...;-) Seriously though, that's true but not all exams r the same! #eltchat

help4ielts

2:46 PM

RT @efl101: @Stylianou_E but for many sts it is THE goal for career etc and actual ability is a by-product - box-ticking world #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:46 PM

RT @help4ielts: too often we teach coursebook / to exam / syllabus - rather than teaching the sts #eltchat  > no wonder then :-)

help4ielts

2:47 PM

@Mr_Schenk Ever taught to old TOEFL? Esoteric vocab & bizarre grammar that no one would need & most NSs wouldn't know #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:47 PM

RT @parrpakala: i teach what I think the students need for settlement, and bring the modules/assessments into it, like weaving #eltchat

efl101

2:47 PM

@esolcourses yes, that's good compromise teaching and I think helps sts stay motivated - balance of interest and exam relevance #eltchat

parrpakala

2:47 PM

i teach what I think the students need for settlement, and bring the modules/assessments into it, like weaving #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:47 PM

@Mr_Schenk in many cases it means just doing exam type activities and exercises #ELTchat

ELTtech

2:47 PM

@ELTExperiences @Englishonthenet Maybe these r tech terms multilevel / mixed ability in ELT I guess no difference. I might be wrong #ELTchat

AlexandraKouk

2:48 PM

@help4ielts lol - I remember!!!  #ELTChat

efl101

2:48 PM

@Mr_Schenk as in SATs in UK, u only teach what will be in the exam and taech sts how to pass exam, general intererest is out #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:48 PM

I think we have lost @barbsaka she had trouble with tweetdeck #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:49 PM

RT @Marisa_C: RT @help4ielts: too often we teach coursebook / to exam / syllabus - rather than teaching the sts #eltchat ]  indeed!

parrpakala

2:49 PM

current news themes, art exhibitions, excursions, bring assnt into that

Marisa_C

2:49 PM

thank god @esolcourses  is here to help me hold the fort of #ELTchat !

Stylianou_E

2:49 PM

@Marisa_C @Mr_Schenk in my context some teachers don't care if their ss can communicate,as long as they pass the exam! So wrong. #eltchat

Mr_Schenk

2:49 PM

@Marisa_C #ELTChat that doesn't seem good teaching to me. Such repetition of formal stuff doesn't work so well in my experience.

OUPELTGlobal

2:50 PM

RT @Marisa_C: @Mr_Schenk No it's rather shoddy teaching #ELTchat but it's what the 'client' expects, pays for and wants #eltchat

sandymillin

2:50 PM

Just realised #eltchat is my topic and I can't join in properly :(

BobK99

2:50 PM

RT @help4ielts: ... Ever taught to old TOEFL? Esoteric vocab ... #eltchat ! Is that where STENOGRAPHER cm fm (in some mats I had to tch fm)?

Marisa_C

2:50 PM

@Mr_Schenk No it's rather shoddy teaching #ELTchat but it's what the 'client' expects, pays for and wants

efl101

2:50 PM

@Mr_Schenk @Marisa_C it's not inspiring teaching but sadly a necessary reality for many/most teachers #eltchat

esolcourses

2:50 PM

@Marisa_C  :-) #ELTchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:50 PM

My university sts pass exams which give them a false sense of achievement - very seriously problem in my classes #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:50 PM

Wow! The voting has upset my applecart ! Not telling what I voted for tho :-D Pls vote for our next #ELTchat !!! http://t.co/ZdYeMay

sandymillin

2:51 PM

@Marisa_C Only have an hour between lessons and have to eat lunch and finish prep - only 10 mins for #eltchat! :(

efl101

2:51 PM

@help4ielts why are we doing this? is 1 of best questions sts ask imho #eltchat

3ty3

2:51 PM

@OUPELTGlobal Good lang proficiency tests (e.g. IELTS) require (some) tchg & prac of test + tchg & prac to improve 4 skills #eltchat

AlexandraKouk

2:51 PM

many edu systems are exam-oriented, alas  #ELTChat

Marisa_C

2:51 PM

@help4ielts A classic!!!! #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:51 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: My university sts pass exams which give them a false sense of achievement  #eltchat IME, exam-based courses often do that

ELTtech

2:51 PM

RT @esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: RT @help4ielts: too often we teach coursebook / to exam / syllabus - rather than teaching the sts #eltchat ]  indeed!

Marisa_C

2:51 PM

@sandymillin you are very naughty !!! #ELTchat

help4ielts

2:51 PM

worst question from sts halfway thro really creative lesson= "Why are we doing this?" (transl. why aren't we  doing exam practice) #eltchat

sandymillin

2:52 PM

They want to go up because they think it looks better on their certificate, but don't understand that next lev will b 2 hard 4 thm #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:52 PM

I don't think we should be discussing exams at this point tho - it's \st expectations and demands #ELtchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:52 PM

@help4ielts couldn't it also mean the reverse? Why are we only doing exam practice and not really learning? #eltchat

sandymillin

2:52 PM

RT @gdiwriter: 10 hot tips to succeed at IELTS Reading Exam http://t.co/lKU2Sb8 #twinglish #japan #korea #china #eigocafe #eigotweet #ELTchat #IELTS #toefl

pernilleripp

2:52 PM

RT @sarahjpurdy: RT @vickyloras: Watch: New interview for #MoreThan140 - Meet Aviva Dunsiger (@Grade1) wp.me/pIrrb-e2 #edchat #edu #ELTChat

sarahjpurdy

2:52 PM

RT @vickyloras: Watch: New interview for #MoreThan140 - Meet Aviva Dunsiger (@Grade1) wp.me/pIrrb-e2 #edchat #edu #ELTChat #edreform

efl101

2:53 PM

@sandymillin can u send them up temporarily? seeing for themselves is probably most convincing method #eltchat

barbsaka

2:53 PM

@Marisa_C I'm back, but barely. Tweetdeck not liking me tonight :) #ELTchat

OUPELTGlobal

2:53 PM

@Marisa_C I think sts expectations and demands are part of the class and TTs can help sts adapt and achieve their own goals #eltchat

cherrymp

2:53 PM

RT @efl101: @help4ielts why are we doing this? is 1 of best questions sts ask imho #eltchat

parrpakala

2:53 PM

@efl101 @help4ielts yes its a good question #eltchat

help4ielts

2:53 PM

:-) RT @OUPELTGlobal: @help4ielts couldn't it also mean the reverse? Why are we only doing exam practice and not really learning? #eltchat

parrpakala

2:54 PM

just want to belong  #eltchat

3ty3

2:54 PM

RT @vickyloras: The best of being a Teacher - being a Learner by @analuisalozano - Ecuador http://t.co/5SbJUfl via @wordpressdotcom #ELTChat #esl #esol #efl

sandymillin

2:54 PM

@efl101 theoretically I think we could send them up temporarily, but depends on space in classes - not enough for all #eltchat

help4ielts

2:54 PM

@sandymillin I have had sts ask why teachers let them go up to next level when they weren't ready & where they crashed & burned #eltchat

parrpakala

2:54 PM

we have new malaysia students arriving now, they look a bit shell shocked

OUPELTGlobal

2:54 PM

RT @Marisa_C: @OUPELTGlobal Good point - it's a T's job too to 'translate' exam goals into real life skills #ELTchat #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:54 PM

@OUPELTGlobal Good point - it's a T's job too to 'translate' exam goals into real life skills #ELTchat

cherrymp

2:55 PM

@Marisa_C i see. but in #myanmar there're no. of lang. schools. bt Ss often end up with lot of knowledge about L than how to use. #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:55 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: @Marisa_C I think sts expectations and demands are part of the class and TTs can help sts adapt and achieve their own goals #eltchat

sandymillin

2:55 PM

@help4ielts that's how I always feel - they often don't trust teachers to know when they're ready #eltchat

sandymillin

2:55 PM

RT @help4ielts: @sandymillin I have had sts ask why teachers let them go up to next level when they weren't ready & where they crashed & burned #eltchat

kirkymon

2:55 PM

RT @harrisonmike: RT @Stylianou_E: In what ways do you figure out a student's level and where the gaps are? Suggestions? :) #esl #efl #tesol #eltchat

parrpakala

2:56 PM

it's a community of practice, it's a need to belong and work together that makes sts want to stay in the level #eltchat

barbsaka

2:56 PM

Just glancing through the tweets, I can tell I missed A LOT! Looking forward to @BobK99 's summary later :-) #eltchat

efl101

2:56 PM

a good level for a student is probably slightly above their comfort zone but logistics often get in the way of this :-( #eltchat

sandymillin

2:57 PM

Got to go and teach now - sorry to drop in to #eltchat so fleetingly! Story of my Wednesday lunchtimes for the rest of the year I think

cherrymp

2:57 PM

@Marisa_C exactly. so worlds apart reality remains the same. #ELTchat

efl101

2:57 PM

@parrpakala yes, especially for long courses and schools etc. #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:57 PM

@cherrymp I know.... :-(  but they have PASSED they have the Certif they just can't communicate #ELTchat

ELTtech

2:57 PM

Have a wonderful day! Have to go Tks @Marisa_C New ideas persuading  stdts w realistc level: portfolio, goal setting, etc  #ELTchat

sandymillin

2:57 PM

@efl101 agreed, but it depends on their level of confidence. an unconfident SS can benefit from a slightly lower level I think #eltchat

cherrymp

2:57 PM

@efl101 esp when we think of Ss rather than S logistics is a big issue. #eltchat

cherrymp

2:58 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @Stylianou_E: "it's a teacher's job too to 'translate' exam goals into real life skills" good thinking. #eltchat

web20education

2:58 PM

What comes after the LMS? A Look at #Curation in #Education #edtech20 #edchat #elemchat #ukedchat #ESL #elt #eltchat  http://t.co/IL8zUED

cherrymp

2:58 PM

@sandymillin in any form you're a welcome addition to #eltchat Sandy. tc.

OUPELTGlobal

2:58 PM

RT @Stylianou_E: "it's a teacher's job too to 'translate' exam goals into real life skills" good thinking. #eltchat

parrpakala

2:58 PM

@cherrymp @Marisa_C ya well being how to use it is of utmost importance in the settlement process #eltchat

3ty3

2:58 PM

@Englishonthenet Totally agree that learner "levels" are inexact; however, bands can broadly be measured, as with IELTS #eltchat

Marisa_C

2:59 PM

I think it's time to wrap up this #ELTchat - THank you all for joining and ur ideas

esolcourses

2:59 PM

@OUPELTGlobal @Marisa_C ideally goal setting should be done in partnership with teachers & learners,  & not imposed by exams, etc #ELTChat

cherrymp

2:59 PM

@parrpakala @Marisa_C do you've the refugee Ss in mind Jane? #eltchat

help4ielts

2:59 PM

My favourite's in 2nd place! RT @Marisa_C: Wow! The voting has upset my applecart ! Pls vote for our next #ELTchat !!! http://t.co/EOBOwwN

gret

2:59 PM

Coordinating against the clock by @mcneilmahon http://j.mp/mQFTTR #eltchat

barbsaka

3:00 PM

So glad @esolcourses was here with @Marisa_C since I sure wasn't around for most of the chat--sorry! #eltchat

cherrymp

3:00 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: I like the idea that these chats help define a teacher's role in the classroom - whatever the topic has been #eltchat>true

parrpakala

3:00 PM

@cherrymp @parrpakala @Marisa_C yes we are all on diff wavelengths with dif st profile perhaps?? #eltchat

Marisa_C

3:00 PM

Many thanks to @esolcourses  for her great moderation skills which made it possible to run this chat thru a few hiccups #ELTchat

efl101

3:00 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: I like the idea that these chats help define a teachers role in the classroom - whatever the topic has been #eltchat

efl101

3:00 PM

RT @esolcourses: ideally goal setting should be done in partnership with teachers & learners,  & not imposed by exams, etc #eltchat

cherrymp

3:00 PM

RT @barbsaka: Jst glancing thru d tweets, I can tell I missed A LOT! Luking forward to @BobK99 's summary later :-) #eltchat - same feeling.

OUPELTGlobal

3:00 PM

I like the idea that these chats help define a teacher's role in the classroom - whatever the topic has been #eltchat

Marisa_C

3:01 PM

RT @BobK99: @Marisa_C Thanks. Bye all - can't wait to get stuck in on the #eltchat summary ;-) > We look forward to it!!!!

AlexandraKouk

3:01 PM

RT @cherrymp: @barbsaka @esolcourses @Marisa_C thanks moderators for another #eltchat evening.

parrpakala

3:01 PM

thanks for my number 2elt chat, half of it driving the car, so missed start, thanks all #eltchat

analuisalozano

3:01 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @Stylianou_E: "it's a teacher's job too to 'translate' exam goals into real life skills" good thinking. #eltchat

OUPELTGlobal

3:01 PM

Thanks everyone, as usual, a motivating discussion that makes me feel good about being in EFL. Till next week #eltchat

BobK99

3:01 PM

@Marisa_C Thanks. Bye all - can't wait to get stuck in on the #eltchat summary ;-)

Marisa_C

3:01 PM

@barbsaka Ah but you are my pillar of strength #ELTchat - glad to have u on board any t ime

cherrymp

3:01 PM

@barbsaka @esolcourses @Marisa_C thanks moderators for another #eltchat evening.

theteacherjames

3:01 PM

RT @OUPELTGlobal: I like the idea that these chats help define a teacher's role in the classroom - whatever the topic has been #eltchat

esolcourses

3:01 PM

RT @Marisa_C: I think it's time to wrap up this #ELTchat - THank you all for joining & ur ideas ] &  to today's mods @Marisa_C &  @barbsaka

Ilotimo

3:01 PM

RT @vickyloras: Read @ShellTerrell's 30 Goals Challenge 2011 and participate! http://t.co/4wRlmrn #30goals #edchat #ELTChat #finnedchat #edreform #edu

gret

3:01 PM

Going Paperless: YouέΑβve got to be kidding by @yearinthelifeof http://j.mp/q6ghAp #eltchat via @brad5patterson

Marisa_C

3:02 PM

@efl101 you are right of course - no an easy topic as it turns out and answers not same  for all settings or Ss #ELTchat

cherrymp

3:02 PM

@parrpakala @Marisa_C guess sth like that. #eltchat

Mr_Schenk

3:02 PM

#ELTChat wow! My first eltchat just wooshed by. Gotta read the summary. Thx for this.

 

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