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Can teachers be trained online at pre-service level

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sandymillin 9:00 PM RT @Shaunwilden: #eltchat "Can teachers be trained online at pre-service level (CELTA, CertTESOL)?"
AnthonyGaughan 9:00 PM For a controversial start: "Yes, but not well" - discuss. #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:00 PM RT @Shaunwilden: #eltchat "Can teachers be trained online at pre-service level (CELTA, CertTESOL)?" > Let's get the ball rolling
Shaunwilden 9:01 PM RT @AnthonyGaughan: For a controversial start: "Yes, but not well" - discuss. #eltchat Ok why not well?
esolcourses 9:01 PM RT @Shaunwilden: #eltchat "Can teachers be trained online at pre-service level (CELTA, CertTESOL)?"
SueAnnan 9:01 PM This is very interesting for me as I would like to try it. BUT... I don't know if it is possible#ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:01 PM 3 mins social and then let's go #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:01 PM @Marisa_C @sandymillin Hey the summary writer is back :-) #eltchat
sandymillin 9:02 PM @Marisa_C not a teacher trainer, but hope to be at some point #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:02 PM @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C  #eltchat@AnthonyGaughan    @SueAnnan all involved t #ELTChat
vickyloras 9:02 PM RT @Shaunwilden: #eltchat "Can teachers be trained online at pre-service level (CELTA, CertTESOL)?"
Marisa_C 9:02 PM Can we declare ourlselves those of us involved in initial training as teacher trainers please #ELTchat
rliberni 9:03 PM @Marisa_C  have done in the past but not currently #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:03 PM @ljp2010 good to know thanks  #ELTchat
esolcourses 9:03 PM @Shaunwilden I don't see why not,  tho there needs to be  a blended element with some classroom time built in as well, IMO #ELTChat
naomishema 9:03 PM Glad to be back at #eltchat! Missed it! tried the noon chat but twitter wasn't cooperating!
AnthonyGaughan 9:03 PM several trainers @ recent IATEFL do said this: 2 much dislocation between input and practice likely (PS; I'm a CELTA trainer) #eltchat
ljp2010 9:03 PM #ELTchat  i'm an assistant celta tutor
HelpMyEnglish 9:03 PM For the next hour I'll be taking part in #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:04 PM @HelpMyEnglish great - so quite a few of us have ecperience of initial training WITH teaching practice - f-2-f  #ELTchat
vickyloras 9:04 PM My first (official) year as trainer #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:04 PM MY first question is - how can you be sure that you have the right candidates? #ELTchat I dd a course with e-c… (cont) http://t.co/UfSa5cG
Shaunwilden 9:04 PM I@esolcourses Well  online celta still has TP and observations #eltchat
HelpMyEnglish 9:04 PM I'm not a teacher trainer at the moment, although I have been involved in teaching on the CELTA in the past #ELTchat
vickyloras 9:05 PM @esolcourses That´s training too, and important too ; ) #eltchat
pacogascon 9:05 PM I'm afraid I haven't much to say in today's #eltchat (not my field at all) :(      I'll be lurking & learning :)
ljp2010 9:05 PM #ELTchat  currently lots of interest in online CELTA.  how far removed is the input from the prac?  e.g. in terms of time
vickyloras 9:05 PM RT @esolcourses: I wouldn't describe myself as a teacher trainer, although I do sometimes train teachers to use tech #ELTChat
SueAnnan 9:05 PM @Shaunwilden  It was a CERTIBET #eltchat
DanielaArghir 9:05 PM @AnthonyGaughan "Yes, but not well" / Yes, but not online alone... #ELTchat
esolcourses 9:05 PM I wouldn't describe myself as a teacher trainer, although I do sometimes train teachers to use tech #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 9:05 PM @SueAnnan even it we're tlalking about highly recognised courses like celta? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:06 PM @sandymillin it has to be done normally f-2-f #eltchat
DanielaArghir 9:06 PM @Marisa_C I help teachers with the use of ICT #ELTchat
rliberni 9:06 PM RT @Marisa_C: @HelpMyEnglish great - so quite a few of us have ecperience of initial training WITH teaching practice - f-2-f  #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:06 PM @AnthonyGaughan  Not when I do the initial f2f interview #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:06 PM I don't mysself see that it is an ideal solution - new teachers need to EXPERIENCE not just read about and react cerebrally #ELTchat
sandymillin 9:06 PM @Shaunwilden how does the TP and observations bit work with online celta? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:06 PM BTW  I am a CELTA trainer , an online trainer  7 run one of the courses Camb recognise in online tutoring just to declare my hand #eltchat
HelpMyEnglish 9:06 PM @Shaunwilden do you know how the TP works on the CELTA? So distance learners still have to live near the training centre? #ELTchat
esolcourses 9:06 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @esolcourses Well  online celta still has TP & observations #eltchat ] yep - there may be some courses that don't, though?
AnthonyGaughan 9:06 PM @SueAnnan Isn't that a problem with admission generally? Not restricted to online/blended? #ELTchat
AnthonyGaughan 9:07 PM RT @Shaunwilden:  it looks like a PT celta -'cept input is online > yes, and therefore essentially dislocated from TP #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:07 PM @sandymillin It still needs to be CELTA centre that runs the course #eltchat
vickyloras 9:07 PM RT @SueAnnan: don't you need to have the group interaction too? #ELTchat
rliberni 9:07 PM @Marisa_C  I agree not sure how you would do TP it get more complex #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:07 PM RT @ljp2010: #ELTchat  so much is learnt from classroom observation.  does this still happen early on>
sandymillin 9:07 PM @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden what I mean is, how is it organised? e.g. is the trainee told which school to go to? #eltchat
vickyloras 9:07 PM @Marisa_C I agree - must be in class physically as well, not only books and online #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:07 PM don't you need to have the group interaction too? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:07 PM @sandymillin I actually dont know 100 percent as not run but to me it looks like a PT celta -'cept input is online #eltchat
rliberni 9:07 PM RT @Marisa_C: I don't mysself see that it is an ideal solution - new teachers need to EXPERIENCE not just read about and react cerebrally #ELTchat
ljp2010 9:07 PM #ELTchat  so much is learnt from classroom observation.  does this still happen early on?
vickyloras 9:07 PM RT @Marisa_C: I don't mysself see that it is an ideal solution - new teachers need to EXPERIENCE not just read about and react cerebrally #ELTchat
esolcourses 9:08 PM RT @vickyloras: @Marisa_C I agree - must be in class physically as well, not only books and online #eltchat
kalinagoenglish 9:08 PM I'm not sure that any "teaching" course ever provides "enough" training whether CELTA/CertTESOL bcz u students make all the diff #ELTchat
esolcourses 9:08 PM @vickyloras true, Vicky - although it's a little bit different, as teachers I work with have already gone through ITT #eltchat
rliberni 9:08 PM RT @Marisa_C: @ljp2010 Agree - a lot is watch the trainer practice what they preach  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:08 PM @ljp2010 Agree - a lot is watch the trainer practice what they preach  #ELTchat
sandymillin 9:09 PM RT @kalinagoenglish: I'm not sure that any "teaching" course ever provides "enough" training whether CELTA/CertTESOL bcz u students make all the diff #ELTchat
rliberni 9:09 PM RT @sandymillin: @Shaunwilden but if it's online, surely trainees can come from all over the world, so might not be near some1 who can supervise TP? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:09 PM @kalinagoenglish This a good point, it came up a lot  in last weeks #eltchat
sandymillin 9:09 PM @Shaunwilden but if it's online, surely trainees can come from all over the world, so might not be near some1 who can supervise TP? #eltchat
AnthonyGaughan 9:09 PM RT @AnthonyGaughan: RT @Shaunwilden:  -'cept input is online > yes, and therefore essentially dislocated from TP #OrAmIWrong? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:09 PM @kalinagoenglish and welcome to our party :-)  #ELTchat
rliberni 9:09 PM RT @kalinagoenglish: I'm not sure that any "teaching" course ever provides "enough" training whether CELTA/CertTESOL bcz u students make all the diff #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:09 PM @kalinagoenglish That is a different topic altogether tho a valid one  #ELTchat
vickyloras 9:09 PM @esolcourses Aha, interesting : ) #eltchat
ljp2010 9:10 PM #ELTchat  i did a distance learning thing in the 90s when i was teaching in japan. helped give me the theory i was missing
rliberni 9:10 PM @sandymillin  good point what about tchrs with experience but no qualification? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:10 PM So have we finisheed this chat already? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:10 PM @AnthonyGaughan I think it could be dislocated yes but until  i run one won't know - it is a worry of mine though #eltchat
kalinagoenglish 9:10 PM ...so I don't really think that "online" course can provide enuf direct teaching practice -other than onlineteaching/learning #ELTchat
ljp2010 9:11 PM #ELTchat  reading with a no. of  assignments.  had to send them by snail mail!  still, made me experiment tho
sandymillin 9:11 PM RT @HelpMyEnglish: On a positive note, online training will give trainees exp. of online teaching/learning, something increasingly important! #ELTchat
rliberni 9:11 PM @ljp2010  yes I think if you are getting the practical experience it would be good but does Celta deliver that? #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:11 PM RT @SueAnnan: assuming that you can do the TP in a school, could you do the input sessions online?#ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:11 PM I think online course are all about money making myself #ELTchat - they are improving but stil it's about the quick buck
AnthonyGaughan 9:11 PM RT @Marisa_C: So have we finisheed this chat already? NO! I want 2 work out how it CAN work! #ELTchat
HelpMyEnglish 9:11 PM On a positive note, online training will give trainees exp. of online teaching/learning, something increasingly important! #ELTchat
esolcourses 9:11 PM RT @SueAnnan: don't you need to have the group interaction too? #ELTchat ] Can't group interaction be done online these days instead though?
SueAnnan 9:11 PM @ljp2010  how was it delivered? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:11 PM @sandymillin as far as I know you have to be at the centre but havent been at a briefing since early this year  #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:12 PM @AnthonyGaughan :-D  #ELTchat
sandymillin 9:12 PM #eltchat even if you're doing the f2f CELTA you still only get 6 hours of TP right? I guess 120 hours of input online still OK
AnthonyGaughan 9:12 PM @Marisa_C Thought so, but "never a truer word spoken in jest!" #ELTchat
rliberni 9:12 PM @HelpMyEnglish  gr8 point should online teachers train online? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:12 PM RT @Lee74: @kalinagoenglish "online" CELTA has exactly the same amount of TP, #ELTchat > It does
esolcourses 9:12 PM RT @HelpMyEnglish: On a positive note, online training will give trainees exp. of online teaching/learning, something increasingly important! #ELTchat
Lee74 9:12 PM @kalinagoenglish "online" CELTA has exactly the same amount of TP, #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:12 PM @AnthonyGaughan was just kidding  #ELTchat
rliberni 9:12 PM RT @HelpMyEnglish: On a positive note, online training will give trainees exp. of online teaching/learning, something increasingly important! #ELTchat
rliberni 9:13 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @sandymillin  this is a link to IH londons page, they run it see you have to be at the centre 4 tp http://t.co/eItsFV9 #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:13 PM If you were going to deliver the online stuff, what platform would you use?#ELTchat
AnthonyGaughan 9:13 PM @sandymillin But when the input (as pre-recorded and standardised) bears no relation to local or personal experience? #hmm #eltchat
rliberni 9:13 PM @SueAnnan  online doesn't have to be lonely lots can be done in groups #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:13 PM @sandymillin  this is a link to IH londons page, they run it see you have to be at the centre 4 tp http://t.co/eItsFV9 #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:13 PM @sandymillin  but a bit lonely? #eltchat
esolcourses 9:14 PM RT @sandymillin: #eltchat even if you're doing the f2f CELTA you still only get 6 hours of TP right? ] think that's just the assessed part?
Marisa_C 9:14 PM @AnthonyGaughan Fully agree - I have NEVER taught the same timetable twice - not even the new one i write  #hmm #eltchat
sandymillin 9:14 PM RT @SueAnnan: @sandymillin  but a bit lonely? #eltchat <not necessarily - it depends on how much trainees throw themselves into it
rliberni 9:14 PM @SueAnnan it's possible to use a combination of all kinds of platforms and tools #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:14 PM @SueAnnan  Cambridge are using fronter, #eltchat
vickyloras 9:14 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @sandymillin  this is a link to IH londons page, they run it see you have to be at the centre 4 tp http://t.co/eItsFV9 #eltchat
rliberni 9:15 PM @SueAnnan  I agree but why would they choose it if they weren't? Poss very good for online trainers #eltchat
Lee74 9:15 PM @HelpMyEnglish @Shaunwilden It's really a blended learning course. Yes, you need to get to a centre for TP. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:15 PM @SueAnnan Personally I use moodle, but lots of things linking into it #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:15 PM @AnthonyGaughan So I may be slowly unplugging without letting on :-)  #ELTchat
rliberni 9:15 PM @SueAnnan I think you set up the course  decide what you need/want to deliver and then choose the tools/platform #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:15 PM @rliberni  but you have to assume that trainees are comfortable with the tech #eltchat
AnthonyGaughan 9:16 PM RT @Marisa_C: @AnthonyGaughan So I may be slowly unplugging without letting on :-)  Join us, and we will rule the universe! #ELTchat
kalinagoenglish 9:16 PM That's interesting, @lee74 @Marisa_C - how is the TP evaluated? Is it video'd? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:16 PM @Shaunwilden I m over there already - it;s that phase of life,,,,, #eltchat
sandymillin 9:16 PM RT @Shaunwilden: this is a link to IH londons page, they run it see you have to be at the centre 4 tp http://t.co/dhMq3Pb #eltchat < i see
AnthonyGaughan 9:16 PM @esolcourses Guidance from CESOL discourages any more than that - for parity across courses/centres #littleknownfact #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:16 PM RT @rliberni: @SueAnnan  I agree but why would they choose it if they weren't? Poss very good for online trainers #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:16 PM RT @Marisa_C: @AnthonyGaughan So I may be slowly unplugging without letting on :-)  - No dont go to the darkside! #eltchat
esolcourses 9:16 PM @sandymillin been a good while since I did my CELTA, but IIRC I had a fair few teaching hours on top of the assessed ones as well #eltchat
HelpMyEnglish 9:17 PM @SueAnnan @rliberni  <and that trainees tech skills must be tested as part of entry to the course? #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:17 PM RT @rliberni: @SueAnnan to be honest I'm not sure online is easy w/out having had F2F experience 1st #eltchat
AnthonyGaughan 9:17 PM RT @Marisa_C: @AnthonyGaughan So I may be slowly unplugging without letting on :-)  - @Shaunwilden & "dark side" provoked that ;-) #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:17 PM @Shaunwilden or found?  #eltchat
rliberni 9:17 PM @SueAnnan to be honest I'm not sure online is easy w/out having had F2F experience 1st #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:17 PM @Marisa_C Oh no another good trainer lost :-)  #eltchat
sandymillin 9:17 PM @esolcourses think we only had about 20 minutes on top of assessed - it was part-time in the UK and hard to get enough SS! #eltchat
DinaDobrou 9:17 PM Sorry I'm late. I'll catch up with you. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:17 PM @kalinagoenglish no it's live - like the regular one  #ELTchat
pacogascon 9:17 PM #tweetdeck for Chrome completely freaking out! No response at all #eltchat
Fixread 9:18 PM RT @HelpMyEnglish: On a positive note, online training will give trainees exp. of online teaching/learning, something increasingly important! #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:18 PM @Shaunwilden you naughty mod #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:18 PM @HelpMyEnglish  difficult to do though #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:18 PM @AnthonyGaughan  Well i was provoking you with dark side ;-)  #eltchat
AnthonyGaughan 9:19 PM Interesting point re. learning online - F2F challenging for some trainees; online challenging 4 others #how2select? #eltchat
Lee74 9:19 PM @kalinagoenglish @Marisa_C The TP is still evaluated in the same way. The only change is input sessions are delivered online #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:19 PM Berni's point about f2f first is probably the best  way, but not easy for everyone to find a centre nearby #ELTchat
AnthonyGaughan 9:20 PM RT @ljp2010: #ELTchat  if we assume  f2f improves  TP, does online input improve lesson planning? > I assume F2F improves everything!
Shaunwilden 9:20 PM @SueAnnan But then blended still needs a centre, surely we agree preservice course has to have live tp? #eltchat
kalinagoenglish 9:20 PM @ljp2010 that's an interesting thought - why do you think that it might #ELTchat
vickyloras 9:20 PM RT @SueAnnan: Berni's point about f2f first is probably the best  way, but not easy for everyone to find a centre nearby #ELTchat
rliberni 9:20 PM RT @kalinagoenglish: As much as I luv life online tho' I prefer training tchrs in using tech in person -new teachers need f2f feedback + help (methinks) #ELTchat
kalinagoenglish 9:20 PM As much as I luv life online tho' I prefer training tchrs in using tech in person -new teachers need f2f feedback + help (methinks) #ELTchat
ljp2010 9:20 PM #ELTchat  if we assume learning f2f improves the TP, does online input improve the lesson planning?
Shaunwilden 9:21 PM @Marisa_C And modelling teaching in input etc #eltchat
AnthonyGaughan 9:21 PM @esolcourses lots of centres fill up gaps in TP TT with unassessed - but shouldn't too much! #ELTChat
HelpMyEnglish 9:21 PM @Lee74 What are the benefits for the institution? More free classrooms I suppose.  And perhaps less tutors required? #ELTchat
sueleather 9:21 PM Hello everyone. Declaring my interest in this conversation as a teacher trainer and trainer trainer. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:21 PM @kalinagoenglish fully agree - the HEART of the course is planning together and feedback  #ELTchat
rliberni 9:21 PM @SueAnnan  good point needs addressing #eltchat
vickyloras 9:21 PM RT @rliberni: @SueAnnan  online doesn't have to be lonely lots can be done in groups #eltchat
esolcourses 9:21 PM @sandymillin @AnthonyGaughan Hmm.. Think I may have picked up extra hours thru voluntary work (Vague memories beginning to stir ;-) #ELTChat
Marisa_C 9:22 PM @sueleather Correct #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:22 PM @SueAnnan Does that detach TP and input though, I do think they go hand in hand  #eltchat
sueleather 9:22 PM Can I just check my understanding- is the online CELTA always blended i.e. TP has to be done at a centre? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:22 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C And modelling teaching in input etc #eltchat> absolutely - practicing what we preach
esolcourses 9:22 PM RT @SueAnnan: Berni's point about f2f first is probably the best  way, but not easy for everyone to find a centre nearby #ELTchat
cathywint 9:23 PM #ELTchat I'm a little late, what's the topic tonight? CELTA??
ljp2010 9:23 PM #ELTchat  how long is the online CELTA typically? @Shaunwilden
sandymillin 9:23 PM @esolcourses i'd done a year pre-celta through british council assistantships so had a headstart, but hard for other trainees #ELTChat
SueAnnan 9:23 PM @Shaunwilden  yes. It's a dilemma #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:23 PM @sueleather Yes that's right #eltchat
Lee74 9:23 PM @HelpMyEnglish Yeah, if they free up more time they can have more students, also more flexibility for CELTA candidates #eltchat
kalinagoenglish 9:24 PM I was training NNESTchrs last week... 1 of thethings that came up was using body language in explanations - doable online? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:24 PM @AnthonyGaughan exactement!!! #ELTchat my feeling entirely - it;s like teaching from a coursebook line after line after line
DinaDobrou 9:24 PM RT @SueAnnan: @rliberni  but u have to assume that trainees are comfortable with the tech #eltchat>True.Not very many are, tho, it appears.
Shaunwilden 9:24 PM @ljp2010 No idea to be honest but looking at info about it seems around 16 weeks (anyone correct me?) #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:24 PM the unknown language for CertTEOL would be hard if not f2f #ELTchat
sandymillin 9:24 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @SueAnnan surely we agree preservice course has to have live tp? #eltchat <definitely - so u know what u'r getting into!
esolcourses 9:25 PM @SueAnnan perhaps the best route hinges on what U want to do afterwards, i.e. online training may be best for online teachers? #ELTChat
sandymillin 9:25 PM @kalinagoenglish i guess it depends: i'm sure online courses will include videos and such like - may be harder to practise #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:25 PM @kalinagoenglish Not so easy asynchronously #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:26 PM @ljp2010 No it should go hand in hand with but still more time to process than the full on 4 weeks #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:26 PM @kalinagoenglish  and we're not talking about teachers already in the field #ELTchat
DinaDobrou 9:26 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C And modelling teaching in input etc #eltchat> absolutely - practicing what we preach
sueleather 9:26 PM I'm just thinking it might be even more stressful in a way to do everything online and then go to a special place just for your TP #eltchat
kalinagoenglish 9:26 PM @dinadobrou seriously agree w/ this pt @SueAnnan @Rliberni - definitely MAJORITY of teachers are not comfortable using tech #ELTchat
ljp2010 9:26 PM #ELTchat  so if it's 16 weeks, more time to process the input.  if TP comes later...
AnthonyGaughan 9:26 PM Is anyone out there currently working on CELTA Online? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:27 PM @SueAnnan good point - trainees feel very vulnerable in TP - to do so cold seems strange  #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:27 PM RT @Lee74: CELTA online FAQs http://t.co/mXEYhGx #eltchat
Lee74 9:27 PM CELTA online FAQs http://t.co/mXEYhGx #eltchat
HelpMyEnglish 9:28 PM Thinking about my colleagues, even some experienced teachers would definitely be uncomfortable in the online learning environment #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:28 PM @esolcourses online teaching can be trained online. Good idea but not if you're going to be cannon fodder for teens in summer #ELTChat
kalinagoenglish 9:28 PM RT @lee74: CELTA online FAQs http://t.co/mwgiEqv #eltchat
kalinagoenglish 9:28 PM Agree - no comfort zone RT @sueleather:might be even more stressful to do everything online and then go to a special place 4 ur TP #eltchat
AnthonyGaughan 9:28 PM RT @kalinagoenglish: seriously agree w/ this pt - definitely MAJORITY of teachers not comfortable using TECH> reason 2 start early? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:29 PM @HelpMyEnglish agree it is quite a step to get used to working online but once they get going...#eltchat
esolcourses 9:29 PM @sandymillin agree - though if you have taught a different subject before, switching to the 'CELTA way'  can be a challenge :-) #ELTChat
Lee74 9:29 PM @kalinagoenglish @sueleather I guess it depends on how well the tutors foster community online #eltchat
HelpMyEnglish 9:29 PM RT @SueAnnan: @esolcourses online teaching can be trained online. Good idea but not if you're going to be cannon fodder for teens in summer #ELTChat
ljp2010 9:29 PM #ELTchat  @SueAnnan  :-) fair enough!
Marisa_C 9:30 PM @HelpMyEnglish @kalinagoenglish  #ELTchat@SueAnnan  Hard enough to get EXPERIENCED Ts  comfortable online  #ELTChat
SueAnnan 9:30 PM @kalinagoenglish  :-) #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:30 PM @esolcourses  lots of teachers do quite badly #ELTChat
kalinagoenglish 9:30 PM @sueannan true dat! #ELTchat - they're hard-work.. (saw them running around in Oxford- ran 100 miles away) :-)))
sandymillin 9:30 PM RT @ljp2010: #ELTchat  so if it's 16 weeks, more time to process the input.<i did celta part-time - no idea how u can take it in in 4 weeks!
DinaDobrou 9:30 PM Thinking of sts these Ts will be dealing with post CELTA.If Ts have not experienced a class envirnment,how can they reproduce it? #ELTchat
kalinagoenglish 9:31 PM @lee74 good pt. & another y'all have probably discussed a 1000 times already, some folks R born 2 b teachers -TRmedium irrelevant #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:31 PM @sueleather A contradiction in terms  #eltchat
DinaDobrou 9:31 PM @sandymillin @ljp2010 It's difficult if you're not at all familiar with teaching, I think. #ELTchat
sueleather 9:31 PM A lso CELTA online theoretically good for people living in remote places. But then you have to go to  centre for TP #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:31 PM @sandymillin  with no sleep and a lot of stress #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:32 PM @esolcourses  great if you can build a rapport in a teaching team #ELTChat
esolcourses 9:32 PM RT @Marisa_C: @HelpMyEnglish @kalinagoenglish  #ELTchat@SueAnnan  Hard enough to get EXPERIENCED Ts  comfortable online  #ELTChat
vickyloras 9:32 PM RT @DinaDobrou: Thinking of sts these Ts will be dealing with post CELTA.If Ts have not experienced a class envirnment,how can they reproduce it? #ELTchat
HelpMyEnglish 9:32 PM @Shaunwilden > Agreed, had the same situation myself, hated distance learning at first but love the flexibility now #ELTchat
esolcourses 9:32 PM @SueAnnan I can imagine, tho personality prob. plays a part, too.  My first job post-CELTA was a summer school course. Loved it! #ELTChat
vickyloras 9:32 PM RT @DinaDobrou: RT @SueAnnan: @rliberni  but u have to assume that trainees are comfortable with the tech #eltchat>True.Not very many are, tho, it appears.
sandymillin 9:32 PM #eltchat i guess one of the benefits of f2f is (hopefully) the tutors teach you in the way you're expected to teach (extra 'observation')
Marisa_C 9:33 PM I think rapport can be built online - we have great examples with the EVO sessions and webheads etc - but not for newbs #ELTchat
esolcourses 9:34 PM Brazil introduces OER into legislation http://t.co/KjDRl57 #opencontent #edtech #creativecommons #eltchat #edchat
Shaunwilden 9:34 PM @SueAnnan You suggested this topic I think, are there any aspects in particular you want to talk about? #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:34 PM @Marisa_C  I agree that f2f is an easier medium for building teams in the beginning #ELTchat
sueleather 9:34 PM I think the online factor brings in another element , which might be difficult at pre-service, where ts thinking about the basics. #eltchat
DinaDobrou 9:34 PM @HelpMyEnglish @Shaunwilden Flexibility is the key word here indeed! Love distance learning too. #ELTchat
AnthonyGaughan 9:34 PM Am I just scared that people can learn effectively without my close presence? #CELTAtrainer #egomonster? #eltchat
sandymillin 9:34 PM RT @esolcourses: @SueAnnan My first job post-CELTA was a summer school course. Loved it! #ELTChat <mine too, same result :)
ljp2010 9:34 PM #ELTchat  so how long till TP can be done online too?
esolcourses 9:35 PM @SueAnnan yes, I think that played a big part.  I struck lucky with the school & the teachers I worked with - kids were gr8, too! #ELTChat
SueAnnan 9:35 PM @AnthonyGaughan  Not at all. Just thinking of ease of access for trainees #CELTAtrainer #egomonster #eltchat
Lee74 9:35 PM Maybe it's particularly appropriate at this time when more schools want to move towards more online and blended #eltchat
AnthonyGaughan 9:36 PM Still surprised that no #CELTAonline tutors are participating... #eltchat
Lee74 9:36 PM @anthonygaughan You can be close online - easier in fact - ALWAYS there :) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:36 PM @AnthonyGaughan Ha :-) I do think there is shing that  is gained from being with the tutor but t good online ones can achieve much #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:37 PM @SueAnnan If it is asynchronous then they are naturally I think #eltchat
HelpMyEnglish 9:37 PM @Lee74 yeah, do you think some institutions think it's an easy way to tighten the belt? In which case wise tutors get clued up! :) #ELTchat
sueleather 9:37 PM @SueAnnan My experience of running online training courses suggest yes. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:37 PM @AnthonyGaughan Are there any yet? Is it live yet? London were running one but apart from them? #eltchat
sueleather 9:37 PM Online learning gr8 for a lot of people, and flexibility cd make the whole thing less stressful esp if done over longish period. #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:37 PM Do you think that ONline needs a longer period for the input sessions ? #ELTchat
Lee74 9:38 PM @shaunwilden CELTA online is available from September #eltchat
AnthonyGaughan 9:38 PM @Shaunwilden Absolutely - I have nowt against it in principle, but the devil can often be in the detail ;) #eltchat
sandymillin 9:38 PM RT @AnthonyGaughan: Still surprised that no #CELTAonline tutors are participating... #eltchat <don't think many exist yet!
kalinagoenglish 9:38 PM I do enjoy some distance learning and am an advocate for it, but in training to be a teacher, def not convinced @AnthonyGaughan #ELTChat
SueAnnan 9:38 PM @sueleather  what kind of courses do you run? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:39 PM @AnthonyGaughan Unless of course you do both tutor roles #eltchat
sueleather 9:39 PM @SueAnnan Online Project Management for ELT and soon to be running a Trainer Training course. Moodle platform #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:39 PM Is it the way forward? #Should we all be looking to do training online? #ELTchat
esolcourses 9:39 PM RT @sueleather: Online learning gr8 for a lot of people, and flexibility cd make the whole thing less stressful esp if done over longish period. #eltchat
AnthonyGaughan 9:39 PM RT @Lee74: @anthonygaughan You can be close online - easier in fact - ALWAYS there :) yes but as TP tutor, segregated from Input ;( #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:39 PM I think perhaps we ought to distinguish training vs development in the Widdowson sense of the work #eLTchat
Shaunwilden 9:39 PM @sandymillin @AnthonyGaughan I've trained a helluva a lot of them in the online skills they need so they must be nearly ready :-) #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:40 PM How available would you need to be as the trainer?#ELTchat
esolcourses 9:40 PM RT @SueAnnan: Is it the way forward? #Should we all be looking to do training online? #ELTchat ] not convinced there is only 1 way, myself
Shaunwilden 9:40 PM @AnthonyGaughan They might not have seen that it is the topic #eltchat
AnthonyGaughan 9:40 PM @Shaunwilden They must have had a team - where are they? Not on Twitter?!  #eltchat
DinaDobrou 9:41 PM @AnthonyGaughan I didn't think they were that many..@Marisa_C tried hard to find tech-familiar tutors for the course I attended #ELTchat
sandymillin 9:41 PM @Shaunwilden :) #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:42 PM @inglishteacher online courses for intitial preservice training  #eltchat
HelpMyEnglish 9:42 PM Do Cambridge provide extra training for CELTA online tutors? #ELTchat
kalinagoenglish 9:42 PM RT @sandymillin: RT @AnthonyGaughan: Still surprised that no #CELTAonline tutors are participating... #eltchat LOL-twitter is a bubble!
AnthonyGaughan 9:42 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @AnthonyGaughan They might not have seen that it is the topic > maybe true, but unfortunate #eltchat
inglishteacher 9:42 PM #eltchat back in UK and just got my internet connection sorted NOW - what's the topic tonight?
Shaunwilden 9:42 PM @SueAnnan You set the rules, it really depends on how the course is laid out etc #eltchat
AnthonyGaughan 9:43 PM @DinaDobrou Saw that callout from @Marisa_C - surprised it is hard in principle to find people.  Logistics, yes, competence...? Hm #ELTchat
DinaDobrou 9:43 PM @SueAnnan If teaching is moving online, then why not? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:43 PM @HelpMyEnglish They need to do an approved online tutoring course + training on the system #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:43 PM @HelpMyEnglish No they don't but to be one you have to follow a course (no matter what )  #ELTchat
Lee74 9:43 PM @anthonygaughan I'm not sure - maybe online and TP tutor are one and the same #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:43 PM RT @HelpMyEnglish: Do Cambridge provide extra training for CELTA online tutors? #ELTchat good question
Lee74 9:44 PM @helpmyenglish I think CELTA Online tutors have to complete a specific course on teaching online #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:44 PM @AnthonyGaughan no one replied #ELTchat
esolcourses 9:44 PM @kalinagoenglish @sandymillin @AnthonyGaughan maybe not enough notice of #ELTChat topics? I sometimes miss things I'm interested in as well
SueAnnan 9:44 PM @Marisa_C  yes I remember that #ELTchat
AnthonyGaughan 9:44 PM @kalinagoenglish Then how do we burst it? *POP* ;) #CELTAonline #eltchat
sueleather 9:44 PM @DinaDobrou I think that's the crucial question. Are ts being trained to teach online or in the classroom, or both? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:44 PM @AnthonyGaughan I almost didn't find any when i asked for tech savy trainers #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:45 PM @esolcourses So how long should we give notice for? #eltchat
DinaDobrou 9:45 PM @sueleather Exactly. Shouldn't Ts experience a class environment so they can reproduce it? I asked this earlier. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:45 PM @Lee74 Yes - and wil all due respect to mo co-mod it all goes back to IH  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:46 PM @Marisa_C @Lee74 Nothing to do with IH world! #eltchat
inglishteacher 9:46 PM @Marisa_C  I think online is great, particularly social media like twitter but for novice teachers you can't beat the classroom #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:46 PM so. do we give the online CElta time to bed in and find out the flaws before embracing the idea? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:46 PM @AnthonyGaughan read my research? #ELTchat
ljp2010 9:47 PM #ELTchat  all i can say is that i'm very keen to give the online classroom a try
sueleather 9:47 PM @DinaDobrou It's a very good point. I kind of think it's hard to do everything all at once like that #eltchat
AnthonyGaughan 9:47 PM @Marisa_C Still on my to do list - am aware of it but you know how it is.  Got a handy link for me?  #ELTchat
esolcourses 9:48 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @esolcourses So how long should we give notice for? not sure...  24 hours, maybe? #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 9:48 PM RT @sueleather: At least in training trainers you have people who already have a lot of classroom experience. It's not tabula rasa #eltchat
inglishteacher 9:48 PM I look back to my CTEFLA course (giving my age away there) as being the best thing I ever did - can't imagin makin any of it online #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:49 PM @esolcourses So close the poll on a Tuesday? Open it Sunday? Not saying it will just asking #eltchat
cathywint 9:49 PM @helpmyenglish I'm doing online training now ihlondon.com/e-moderating-4… really interestin for blended as well as online learning #eltchat
sueleather 9:49 PM @SueAnnan I think it's good to see a few courses run, and see how they go #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:49 PM @AnthonyGaughan AnthonyGaughan: http://t.co/L19xNYs unf u have to pay to read it #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:50 PM RT @SueAnnan: Are some online tutors just hiding their inadequacies in the classrrom, anyway? #ELTchat > good question
cathywint 9:50 PM @sandymillin I've been thinking the same thing, online input sessions losses out on this #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:50 PM Are some online tutors just hiding their inadequacies in the classrrom, anyway? #ELTchat
ljp2010 9:51 PM #ELTchat   @SueAnnan  equally true in the classroom though..
SueAnnan 9:51 PM @Marisa_C  But  you could pay for a course and find that it's mediocre #ELTchat
Lee74 9:51 PM @sueannan oooh controversial! Online tutors are all classroom tutors as well #eltchat
AnthonyGaughan 9:51 PM @Marisa_C Cunning ;-) Seriously, thanks for link! #ELTchat
DinaDobrou 9:51 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @sueleather: At least in training trainers you have people who already have a lot of classroom experience. It's not tabula rasa #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:51 PM @cathywint Yes they just started it havent they, I'd like to see given I've been running the IHworld one for years :-) #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:51 PM @SueAnnan but but don't know the answer #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:52 PM @esolcourses Ok I'll put it to the mods, it has been raised before so maybe we should #eltchat
vickyloras 9:52 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @SueAnnan: Are some online tutors just hiding their inadequacies in the classrrom, anyway? #ELTchat > good question
HelpMyEnglish 9:52 PM @cathywint > Sounds great! Have gained a lot myself through distance MA (ED tech * TESOL) but will check out the link! #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:52 PM @Shaunwilden  sure #ELTchat
cathywint 9:52 PM @Shaunwilden to see the difference do u mean? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:52 PM RT @SueAnnan: @Marisa_C  But  you could pay for a course and find that it's mediocre #ELTchat  Isnt that true if f2f and online
Marisa_C 9:52 PM RT @SueAnnan: @Marisa_C  But  you could pay for a course and find that it's mediocre #ELTchat > too true
SueAnnan 9:52 PM @ljp2010  absolutley true #ELTchat
esolcourses 9:52 PM @Shaunwilden sounds like a good idea to me... would give people more time to read up on topic and reflect on it, as well  #ELTChat
Marisa_C 9:52 PM @AnthonyGaughan sorry signmed my life away - not making any money myself  #ELTchat
esolcourses 9:53 PM RT @Shaunwilden RT @SueAnnan: @Marisa_C  you could pay for a course & find it's mediocre #ELTchat  Isnt that true if f2f  & online ] agree
DinaDobrou 9:53 PM @ljp2010 @SueAnnan True, that! We shouldn't demonize technology and online learning. #ELTchat
sueleather 9:53 PM RT  @SueAnnan: Are some online tutors just hiding their inadequacies in the classrrom, anyway? #ELTchat  This is a v. good question 1)
Lee74 9:54 PM RT @helpmyenglish: RT @DinaDobrou: @ljp2010 @SueAnnan True, that! We shouldn't demonize technology and online learning. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:54 PM @ljp2010 cheers thank for joining  #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:54 PM @esolcourses  of course you are right. But online you are a bit more out on a limb, i feel  #ELTchat
ljp2010 9:54 PM #ELTchat A real life classroom awaits me.  Gotta run!  Until next week..... :-)
esolcourses 9:54 PM @Shaunwilden thanks, Shaun!   #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:54 PM @cathywint Actually the similarities, I 'd hope that IH Lond, IH world and consultants-e courses are all similar #eltchat
HelpMyEnglish 9:54 PM RT @DinaDobrou: @ljp2010 @SueAnnan True, that! We shouldn't demonize technology and online learning. #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:55 PM RT @sueleather: @SueAnnan a.. 2) that's my worry about CELTA trainees too. Perhaps easier to hide online. #eltchat Mine too
sueleather 9:55 PM @SueAnnan a.. 2) that's my worry about CELTA trainees too. Perhaps easier to hide online. #eltchat
vickyloras 9:55 PM RT @DinaDobrou: @ljp2010 @SueAnnan True, that! We shouldn't demonize technology and online learning. #ELTchat
DinaDobrou 9:55 PM @ljp2010 bye Lisa! #ELTchat
web2literacy 9:55 PM @vickyloras good question yes - but I think online spaces complement classrooms - we don't need to think about  teacher inadequacy #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:56 PM RT @cathywint: @Shaunwilden #eltchat as similar/different as all the CELTA courses are around the globe?!
cathywint 9:56 PM @Shaunwilden #eltchat as similar/different as all the CELTA courses are around the globe?!
kalinagoenglish 9:56 PM @anthonygaughan LOL - not sure! Reckon some folks don't want to 2 B on Twitter + FB etc, doesn't mean they aren't gd online tchrs #ELTchat
DinaDobrou 9:56 PM I'm on tweetdeck and I'm missing lots of tweets. Am I the only one? #ELTchat
vickyloras 9:56 PM @web2literacy You have a point there,Richard : ) #eltchat
esolcourses 9:56 PM @SueAnnan maybe... although the flip side is, you might feel less inhibited about complaining if the quality was poor... #ELTchat
inglishteacher 9:56 PM RT @SueAnnan: RT @sueleather: @SueAnnan a.. 2) that's my worry about CELTA trainees too. Perhaps easier to hide online. #eltchat Mine too
SueAnnan 9:57 PM @esolcourses  but should the initial training be f2f by preference? #ELTchat
cioccas 9:57 PM That wasn't CELTA though, was Grad Dip TESOL, did MA by distance #ELTchat
esolcourses 9:57 PM @SueAnnan think there is a place for both types, myself. As with all training, there will always be some who prefer F2F experience #ELTchat
AnthonyGaughan 9:57 PM @kalinagoenglish Don't think so either - just wish they could assuage our worries! #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:57 PM @esolcourses  true. #ELTchat
cioccas 9:57 PM I have done 12+ years of distance/online study, but felt my initial teacher training needed to be f2f if I was going to teach f2f #ELTchat
sandymillin 9:57 PM @DinaDobrou it's ok here I think - don't think there are many tweets in this #ELTchat :)
Marisa_C 9:57 PM @cathywint objectives should be  #eltchat
Lee74 9:58 PM @cioccas I guess it depends on who the course is aimed - lots of existing teachers who don't have celta would like to do it #eltchat
DinaDobrou 9:58 PM @sandymillin thnx. maybe my eyes have not got used to reading the torrential tweets of #ELTchat yet. lol
cioccas 9:59 PM I've done both & think f2f & online can be equally good, depends on motivation of S & quality of T - that goes for all Ed though! #ELTchat
AnthonyGaughan 9:59 PM To broaden the scope - do any national state teacher training programmes follow an input online, TP/practicum on location model? #eltchat
sueleather 9:59 PM @cathywint Cd be. depend what 'participation' really means. #eltchat
esolcourses 9:59 PM @SueAnnan like anything else, you pay your money and you make your choice... depending on market forces and availability  #ELTchat
SueAnnan 10:00 PM RT @sueleather: I think as a tutor it's sometimes easier to address lack of participation f2f #eltchat
Shaunwilden 10:00 PM Once again time passes, thanks all for joining #eltchat anyone fancy doing the summary?

 

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