| username |
time |
status |
| DanielaArghir |
12:02 |
RT @TyKendall: #ELTChat Lets cut this short. NO , 4 WEEKS IS ABYSMALLY INSUFFICIENT |
| Kalpanapster |
12:02 |
RT @Shaunwilden: The 1st #eltchat of the day is s a 4week CELTA/Trinity Cert course enough time to prepare someone for a FT teaching position?"-welcome all |
| Shaunwilden |
12:02 |
I am odd position of being a (lapsed) celta tutor and not having ever done the 4 week course myself :-) #ELTChat |
| theteacherjames |
12:02 |
RT @Shaunwilden: The 1st #eltchat of the day is a 4week CELTA/Trinity Cert course enough time to prepare someone for a FT teaching position? |
| TyKendall |
12:03 |
@theteacherjames #ELTChat why would that entail that? |
| psbsupport |
12:03 |
@TyKendall #eltchat I totally agree but it was too late for me to back out once i started |
| TyKendall |
12:03 |
#ELTChat its all a bit subjective really, but i humbly suggest AT LEAST 1 year |
| cherrymp |
12:03 |
@Shaunwilden even i haven't done a celta bt had heard a lot abt it #ELTChat |
| barbsaka |
12:03 |
This will be a learning experience for me--not all that familiar with either certification :) #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:03 |
@TyKendall Guess that means I was bad at my job then... #ELTChat |
| Senicko |
12:04 |
@cherrymp @harrisonmike #eltchat sorry guys, teaching classes this afternoon. On my BB and its not chat friendly. :( |
| TyKendall |
12:04 |
@bealer81 #ELTChat exactly, you simply can't absord the necessary knowledge in 4 weeks |
| Shaunwilden |
12:04 |
Your moderators for this #eltchat are myself and @barbsaka if you have any questions or need help, please message us |
| harrisonmike |
12:04 |
@Shaunwilden I never did CELTA, don't know if I missed out on a broad intro to the profession or not, but learnt loads on 1 yr PGCE #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:04 |
how long in teacher training is a tricky issue isn't it? #eltchat |
| bealer81 |
12:04 |
Too much info crammed into too short a time. #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:04 |
RT @Shaunwilden: The 1st #eltchat of the day is s a 4week CELTA/Trinity Cert course enough time to prepare someone for a FT teaching position?"-welcome all |
| Bee_Kids |
12:05 |
#eltchat Only teaching FT prepares some1 for FT teaching. All the training in the world doesn't equal what you learn while doing the job. |
| theteacherjames |
12:05 |
@TyKendall Because you think 4 weeks is abysmally insufficient & that's all the training I had? #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:05 |
RT @TyKendall: @bealer81 #ELTChat exactly, you simply can't absord the necessary knowledge in 4 weeks |
| harrisonmike |
12:05 |
Question - what exactly is the content of a 4 week CELTA? #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:05 |
RT @Shaunwilden: Your moderators for this #eltchat are myself and @barbsaka if you have any questions or need help, please message us |
| cherrymp |
12:05 |
@gknightbkk hey nice to see you back Gareth #eltchat |
| nutrich |
12:06 |
RT @Shaunwilden: As a tutor I always maintain that the 4 weeks give you the start but then you go into 'apprenticeship' #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:06 |
As a tutor I always maintain that the 4 weeks give you the start but then you go into 'apprenticeship' #eltchat |
| TyKendall |
12:06 |
@theteacherjames #ELTChat not necessarily, i cant comment on the quality of teachers it produces, but it is simply too short! |
| cherrymp |
12:06 |
CELTA details here http://bit.ly/oTTUST #eltchat |
| nutrich |
12:06 |
A 4 week course should enable a new teacher to be able to take control of their future development as well as teach basic skills #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:06 |
@harrisonmike Four weeks covering the basics of elt teaching both skills and systems , LA and so on #eltchat |
| gknightbkk |
12:06 |
4 weeks of CELTA is enough to make someone leave teaching - oh now look what you've started! #eltchat |
| bealer81 |
12:07 |
RT @esolcourses: CELTA is a good qualification, but it's very intensive & 4 weeks doesn't give much scope for deep reflection, IMO #ELTChat |
| cherrymp |
12:07 |
@Shaunwilden i think even then the 'apprenticeship' should start from day 1 #eltchat |
| DanielaArghir |
12:07 |
@TyKendall: "i humbly suggest AT LEAST 1 year" - plus practice in the classroom? #eltchat |
| nutrich |
12:07 |
It's up to the schools employing recent CELTA graduates to help support their development #eltchat |
| TyKendall |
12:07 |
#ELTChat as a teacher you're meant TO REFLECT on teaching, how well can you reflect over a 4 week period? |
| BobK99 |
12:07 |
RT @Bee_Kids: #eltchat Only teaching FT prepares some1 for FT teaching. ..! 4 weeks is fine. |
| cherrymp |
12:07 |
@Senicko @harrisonmike k take care then #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:07 |
CELTA is a good qualification, but it's very intensive & 4 weeks doesn't give much scope for deep reflection, IMO #ELTChat |
| harrisonmike |
12:08 |
@nutrich @TyKendall That's right. PErhaps CELTA's like giving someone a toolbox to use and develop (or SHOULD be) #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:08 |
@Shaunwilden doing a 4 wk course n stopping there would be suicidal coz there's lot happening e'day #eltchat |
| nutrich |
12:08 |
The courses need to be short: it's the nature of the profession and the market ?? #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
12:08 |
RT @nutrich: A 4 week course should enable a new teacher to be able to take control of their future development as well as teach basic skills #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:08 |
I worked freelance for 2 years, then did a 4 week CELTA be4 my 1st FT job. More than adequately prepared me to begin my PD journey. #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:08 |
Isnt doing a 4 wk course better than doing nothing at all-looking back I wish I'd rather than going to teach cos I cld speak Eng #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:08 |
@DanielaArghir @TyKendall classroom exposure is very important #eltchat |
| psbsupport |
12:08 |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat. i would agree with that. I am now into a self apprenticeship mode |
| TyKendall |
12:08 |
@DanielaArghir #ELTChat definitely TPs are a vital part of any training, no matter how long |
| nutrich |
12:08 |
@TyKendall you can be taught how to do it effectively, perhaps #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:09 |
@elchrys guess it's not 'the' course - shouldn't we take celta as a starting point #eltchat |
| gknightbkk |
12:09 |
@Shaunwilden Yes the employer needs to be series about ongoing development post Cert #eltchat |
| TyKendall |
12:09 |
RT @psbsupport: @theteacherjames #eltchat but then you already had freelance teaching experience on your belt.. agree |
| harrisonmike |
12:09 |
CELTA should introduce you to the tools to develop as a teacher <- I don't know, anyone agree with this? #eltchat |
| psbsupport |
12:09 |
@theteacherjames #eltchat but then you already had freelance teaching experience on your belt.. so you had a starting point |
| nutrich |
12:09 |
@harrisonmike @TyKendall I think that's the way it should be, yes #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:09 |
@harrisonmike @nutrich @TyKendall good point - use n 'develop' - hope e'1 does that #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:09 |
@psbsupport Are you working for a school? or trying to make it on your own? #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
12:09 |
So, a CELTA is better than nothing :) #eltchat |
| elchrys |
12:09 |
CELTA doesn't 'produce teachers' overnight. It's an excellent training program for inexperienced teachers. #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
12:09 |
RT @BobK99: RT @Bee_Kids: #eltchat Only teaching FT prepares some1 for FT teaching. ..! 4 weeks is fine. - as long as you know you've 1/2 |
| TyKendall |
12:10 |
#ELTChat i understand the "development" angle, but.................... |
| esolcourses |
12:10 |
@Shaunwilden in theory, I agree the CELTA provides a good foundation - not all employers provide support afterwards, though #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
12:10 |
RT @BobK99: RT @BobK99: RT @Bee_Kids: #eltchat . ..! 4 weeks is fine. - as long as you know you've 2/2: loads more to learn |
| Shaunwilden |
12:10 |
RT @harrisonmike: CELTA should introduce you to the tools to develop as a teacher <- I don't know, anyone agree with this? #eltchat U dont? |
| theteacherjames |
12:10 |
RT @nutrich: A 4 week course should enable a new teacher to be able to take control of their future development as well as teach basic skills #eltchat |
| nutrich |
12:10 |
@pysproblem81 well it's been good enough for me a thousands of others!! #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:10 |
hear hear > RT @nutrich: An important point to be made to all new Ts should be that learning how to teach will never stop #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:10 |
RT @pysproblem81: #ELTchat CELTA def not 'enough' but perhaps gd enough for a start.... |
| pysproblem81 |
12:10 |
#ELTchat CELTA def not 'enough' but perhaps gd enough for a start.... |
| nutrich |
12:10 |
An important point to be made to all new Ts should be that learning how to teach will never stop #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:10 |
@gknightbkk Yes completely and we should help new teachers find schools that provide that #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:11 |
@TyKendall @psbsupport fair point, but CELTA's when it started to get really serious, Made me love teaching, & gave me the tools. #eltchat |
| psbsupport |
12:11 |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat just qualified. so starting out. will look for jobs but on my own for now |
| TyKendall |
12:11 |
#ELTChat celta graduates go str8 out and teach, dont we owe it to the students to be as qualified and trained as possible? not jus bare min |
| Shaunwilden |
12:11 |
@esolcourses No many dont which is why I think tutors should help teachers find the right school #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:11 |
RT @nutrich: An important point to be made to all new Ts should be that learning how to teach will never stop #eltchat |
| nutrich |
12:11 |
RT @esolcourses: @Shaunwilden CELTA provides a good foundation - not all employers provide support afterwards, though #eltchat TRUE |
| mcneilmahon |
12:11 |
Morning all, missed the start of #eltchat, I see most people say it doesn't work? Yet the industry (and the cert itself) continue... |
| cherrymp |
12:11 |
all about Trinity CertTESOL here: http://bit.ly/4Fzu3B #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
12:12 |
RT @BobK99: RT @Bee_Kids: #eltchat . .. 3/2 (ie PS): loads more to learn! And you'll be learning more as long as you teach - or shd be |
| Shaunwilden |
12:12 |
@pysproblem81 There is one the ICELT sort of does that #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:12 |
RT @pysproblem81: #ELTchat is there need for qual between Dip & Cert? Maybe follow up modules (open university style?) > You mean IHWO CAM ? |
| Kalpanapster |
12:12 |
@theteacherjames I wish I'd taught freelance too, before doing my 4 week CELTA. Would've been better prepared. #ELTChat |
| gknightbkk |
12:12 |
For me it was better to have qualified colleagues to mentor me on the job than do a course without specs #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:12 |
teaching is an ongoing journey n Ts learn every moment - celta might give a tool/lens to u's the craft of teaching #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:12 |
@psbsupport Good luck, if you ever need help or advise DM me and of course ask #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
12:12 |
#ELTchat is there need for qual between Dip & Cert? Maybe follow up modules (open university style?) |
| mcneilmahon |
12:12 |
@TyKendall #ELTChat Well, yes we do (or schools do) but many teach w/o even Celta |
| harrisonmike |
12:12 |
@Shaunwilden Just putting it out there. I never did it. No first hand exp. Of course it should give grounding for future Ts #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:13 |
RT @pysproblem81: #ELTchat is there need for qual between Dip & Cert? Maybe follow up modules (open university style?) |
| nutrich |
12:13 |
@Shaunwilden @harrisonmike Yes - I agree. Perhaps not enough about PD in CELTA courses #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:13 |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat Not really, isn't ICELT CELTA for in service teachers? You wouldn't do both? |
| cherrymp |
12:13 |
@Kalpanapster @theteacherjames experience always count to make sense of the trade in teaching :) #ELTChat |
| theteacherjames |
12:13 |
@TyKendall @esolcourses I found that our peer feedback sessions were very effective in forcing reflection. Really helped me. #ELTChat |
| Kalpanapster |
12:13 |
@Shaunwilden I agree. Apprenticeship is essential #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:13 |
@harrisonmike I always do a session on CPD and how to do it, help yourself etc in the final week #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:13 |
@mcneilmahon Because it's a fast (and cheap) way of creating new (and cheap) teachers? #eltchat #celta |
| TyKendall |
12:13 |
#ELTChat i also think there's questions of entry criteria, i know of people not knowing what a verb is training on a celta, not good start |
| esolcourses |
12:13 |
@nutrich @Shaunwilden in theory agree, but picking & choosing not always an option. sometimes U have to take work where U can #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:14 |
@mcneilmahon They did when it started where I worked but thats why I said sort of #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:14 |
@Kalpanapster It definitely helped, but I learned as much on the course as I had in the previous two years. Honest! #ELTChat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:14 |
RT @harrisonmike: @mcneilmahon Because it's a fast (and cheap) way of creating new (and cheap) teachers? #eltchat #celta > Hence efl a trade |
| barbsaka |
12:14 |
Interestingly, ELTNews has been trying to get information about CELTA efficacy--so far, nothing from Cambridge http://bit.ly/nNCAQf #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:14 |
@Shaunwilden @harrisonmike isn't the PD sth that the T has to do n ongoing? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:14 |
@esolcourses @nutrich Oh I dont know it depends on the country #eltchat |
| TyKendall |
12:14 |
@theteacherjames #ELTChat but is forced reflection as good as reflection done over extended period of time once real growth has occured |
| psbsupport |
12:14 |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat. thx for the offer |
| psbsupport |
12:15 |
@theteacherjames #eltchat. CELTA's given me the tools alright and other students are travelling abroad. I am going to volunteer to get exp |
| TyKendall |
12:15 |
#ELTChat you can probably learn the basics of medicine in half the time we train doctors, but would u want them treating you??? |
| nutrich |
12:15 |
@barbsaka thousands of ELTs round the world doing a decent job?! ; ) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:15 |
@mcneilmahon No DELTA cut back from 2 years exp to 1 year #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:15 |
@TyKendall No, it's not! But at that stage few, if any, of the attendees will have been through that process, so it's very healthy. #ELTChat |
| esolcourses |
12:15 |
@theteacherjames @TyKendall same here, James. I did my CELTA part-time over several months tho, so can't really compare #ELTChat |
| harrisonmike |
12:15 |
#eltchat is the problem with 4 week celta the time frame? a common mode of delivery here in UK FE teacher training is part time CELTA |
| Shaunwilden |
12:15 |
Statistics show (will find link later) that very few actually go on to the do other qualifications after CELTA #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:15 |
@mcneilmahon u still stick to that trade part? there're 100s of wonderful Ts out there #eltchat #celta |
| mcneilmahon |
12:15 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @mcneilmahon They did when it started where I worked but thats why I said sort of #eltchat > Interesting! But they stopped? |
| barbsaka |
12:15 |
Has anyone ever seen any sort of research/data to support CELTA value for teachers? #eltchat |
| nutrich |
12:15 |
@Shaunwilden @esolcourses Everything depends on context!! #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:16 |
@Shaunwilden @nutrich LOL! Yep, agree. #ELTChat |
| theteacherjames |
12:16 |
I should state that my CELTA was fantastic. I know that not everyone is so lucky. #ELTChat |
| nutrich |
12:16 |
@barbsaka : ) #eltchat |
| nutrich |
12:16 |
@Shaunwilden @mcneilmahon Very much depends on the type of experience gained though, eh? #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
12:16 |
@nutrich I guess that's true :) #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:16 |
@barbsaka Staying in touch: tracking the career paths of CELTA graduates http://bit.ly/r1EB4p #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:16 |
@barbsaka #eltchat As a tutor I've seen plenty of graduates who learn a lot and are ready to teach and continue to learn post CELTA... |
| Shaunwilden |
12:16 |
RT @nutrich: @Shaunwilden @esolcourses Everything depends on context!! #eltchat Oi that's my line :-) |
| barbsaka |
12:17 |
@cherrymp Thanks for the links :) #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:17 |
RT @nutrich: RT @theteacherjames: I should state that my CELTA was fantastic. I know that not everyone is so lucky. #ELTChat same here |
| mcneilmahon |
12:17 |
RT @cherrymp: @mcneilmahon u still stick to that trade part? there're 100s of wonderful Ts out there #eltchat #celta > + wonderful plumbers |
| cherrymp |
12:17 |
@barbsaka http://bit.ly/nSQodE #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:17 |
@theteacherjames Was that because in the previous 2 years you were feeling your way without certain guidance? #eltchat |
| nutrich |
12:17 |
RT @theteacherjames: I should state that my CELTA was fantastic. I know that not everyone is so lucky. #ELTChat Mine too. Great exeprience. |
| theteacherjames |
12:17 |
@psbsupport I bet you can't wait to get out there and do it! #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
12:17 |
@cherrymp broken link #eltchat |
| 12mandown |
12:17 |
RT @nutrich: An important point to be made to all new Ts should be that learning how to teach will never stop #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:17 |
@barbsaka Helter CELTA: Do Short Courses Equal 'Best Practice' in Teacher Training? http://bit.ly/nSQodE #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
12:17 |
@mcneilmahon @Shaunwilden *blush* was unaware of those... So should schools req something like these within timescale (1-2yr?) #ELTchat |
| cherrymp |
12:18 |
@Marisa_C yeah rt person to talk abt this - welcome Marisa #ELTchat |
| BobK99 |
12:18 |
RT @theteacherjames: @TyKendall @esolcourses... peer f/bk sessions . very effective in forcing reflection. Really helped me. #ELTChat! Yup |
| mcneilmahon |
12:18 |
@pysproblem81 #ELTchat Would be great if they did, but there isn't the motivation or financial imperative |
| cherrymp |
12:18 |
@barbsaka welcome #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:18 |
#ELTchat Hi all and sorry to be late - in the middle of final DELTA assessments - aaaargh |
| TyKendall |
12:18 |
#ELTChat yet surely its the same job? |
| Shaunwilden |
12:18 |
@Imadruid HI D, go on then say why :-) #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:18 |
@mcneilmahon uhum not ready to give up aah!!! #eltchat #celta |
| psbsupport |
12:18 |
@theteacherjames #eltchat. I am so keen but on that note i have to go..to work now.. and alas its not teaching |
| davidmearns |
12:18 |
#eltchat as someone who did the part-time version in UK I would say it has many more advantages over the intensive month |
| TyKendall |
12:18 |
#ELTChat to teach german in England u need a 3 year bachelors degree in german and a pgce(or equiv), but to teach EFL its just 4 week celta |
| Imadruid |
12:18 |
@Shaunwilden don't think 4 wks are better than nowt #Eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:19 |
@BobK99 @theteacherjames @TyKendall @esolcourses bt sometimes Ss may not be positive abt feedback #ELTChat |
| gknightbkk |
12:19 |
@TyKendall But to teach EFL in Asia you will need a degree (any subject will do) #eltchat |
| TyKendall |
12:19 |
#ELTChat how do you reconcile the difference in training required for teaching MFL and EFL? |
| chucksandy |
12:19 |
hi everyone ^^ I'm late too #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:19 |
@Marisa_C Hi Boss #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:20 |
@cherrymp @BobK99 @TyKendall @esolcourses Feedback comes from other teachers. Very helpful in my case. #ELTChat |
| TyKendall |
12:20 |
@esolcourses #ELTChat but the basic principles are the same, teaching a foreign language |
| nutrich |
12:20 |
@Imadruid @Shaunwilden In a good school, good support and an apprenticeship cd be better, perhaps #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
12:20 |
and to get a decent job in asia anymore you need more than just a degree #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:20 |
@TyKendall Why? > private language schools not subject to same checks and qual control as secondary schools #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:20 |
@gknightbkk #eltchat In South America too - CELTA is a graduate level qualification remember - not like anyone can pass it! |
| esolcourses |
12:20 |
RT @TyKendall: #ELTChat how do you reconcile the difference in training required for teaching MFL and EFL?] not sure you can compare the two |
| theteacherjames |
12:20 |
@harrisonmike Pretty much.I was making it up as I went along, coursebook in hand.I wasn't bad,considering ;-) CELTA made it serious #eltchat |
| Imadruid |
12:20 |
People pay a fortune for course that is outdated and based on poor pedagogical theories. This then leads to low wages & status. #Eltchat |
| barbsaka |
12:20 |
RT @gknightbkk: @TyKendall But to teach EFL in Asia you will need a degree (any subject will do) #eltchat |
| TyKendall |
12:20 |
@gknightbkk #ELTChat but there are still PLENTY of places where being English or American etc is enough |
| cherrymp |
12:20 |
@chucksandy hello - the fire is here :) welcome Chuck #eltchat |
| nutrich |
12:21 |
@Shaunwilden @Imadruid depends which pedagogical theories you believe are poor or not! ; ) #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:21 |
@Imadruid As for low wages etc that is not the fault of the 4 week course #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:21 |
@theteacherjames @BobK99 @TyKendall @esolcourses mmm - bt in Indian TT context Ss are a bit -ve abt receiving -ve feedback #ELTChat |
| gknightbkk |
12:21 |
@mcneilmahon Who says CELTA is graduate level? #eltchat |
| bealer81 |
12:21 |
RT @Shaunwilden: Statistics show (will find link later) that very few actually go on to the do other qualifications after CELTA #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
12:21 |
RT @Imadruid: why would anyone take such a course to do such a thing? #eltchat |
| nutrich |
12:21 |
@Imadruid not sure it automatically leads to low wages and status, other factors also play a part #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:21 |
@Imadruid Poor pedagogical theories? i think that depends on the individual courses and tutors #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:21 |
RT @TyKendall: @gknightbkk #ELTChat but there are still PLENTY of places where being English or American etc is enough> true |
| BobK99 |
12:21 |
RT @theteacherjames: I should state that my CELTA was fantastic. I know that not everyone is so lucky. #ELTChat! Mine too |
| pysproblem81 |
12:21 |
#ELTchat I got full-time #fe job with *just* CELTA but had to do DT(E)LLS equiv within 2yrs http://t.co/1lWWzNn |
| gknightbkk |
12:21 |
@TyKendall No degree no visa #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
12:22 |
@mcneilmahon is CELTA sufficient to sustain school's business model? #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:22 |
RT @pysproblem81: #ELTchat I got full-time #fe job with *just* CELTA but had to do DT(E)LLS equiv within 2yrs http://t.co/1lWWzNn |
| theteacherjames |
12:22 |
@cherrymp It needs to be structured & managed by the trainers. Just like we do with students! #ELTChat |
| nutrich |
12:22 |
@Shaunwilden @Imadruid COuld be that little training = lack of professionalism = low wages. It's the industry's problem #ELTChat |
| Imadruid |
12:22 |
Either we're teachers or not. Pgce should be entry requirement (if anything). #Eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:22 |
@nutrich @Shaunwilden @Imadruid well said #eltchat #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:22 |
@nutrich Haha good point! #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:22 |
RT @gknightbkk: @mcneilmahon Who says CELTA is graduate level? #eltchat EQUALS in UK #celta #celta #eltchat |
| bealer81 |
12:22 |
Statistics show that very few actually go on to the do other qualifications after CELTA #eltchat. Interesting to know why? |
| harrisonmike |
12:22 |
#eltchat re apprenticeships - this is how I got started during French/Spanish degree http://www.britishcouncil.org/languageassistants.htm |
| elchrys |
12:22 |
RT @cherrymp: RT @TyKendall: @gknightbkk #ELTChat but there are still PLENTY of places where being English or American etc is enough> agree |
| Marisa_C |
12:22 |
#ELTchat - if on FB have a look see at small survey amongst CELTA holders http://on.fb.me/fx3QgC Most think it DOES prepare them for FT work |
| chucksandy |
12:22 |
cherry: where would that be? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:23 |
@mcneilmahon though you can do PGCE in EFL these days #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
12:23 |
“@harrisonmike: #eltchat re apprenticeships - this is how I got started during French/Spanish degree http://t.co/WduB78b†>me too |
| theteacherjames |
12:23 |
@psbsupport Have a great day, & remember we are to support you! :-) #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
12:23 |
RT @BobK99: @cherrymp Wrong profession then? ;-) #eltchat (strike 1) |
| nutrich |
12:23 |
The way the industry is, short courses make sense. People are not going to do a year #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:23 |
@pysproblem81 Does that round off the experience and skills having to do the extra required by UK FE sector? #eltchat |
| TyKendall |
12:23 |
#ELTChat i think the quick turnaround training period can be a serious negative, attracts the wrong type of candidate thinking its easy |
| cherrymp |
12:23 |
@theteacherjames yeah agreed. bt s'how d concept of feedbck gets entangled with fault finding than fact finding in Ss minds #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:23 |
@pysproblem81 @mcneilmahon What do you mean? #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:23 |
@Imadruid #Eltchat But PGCE for completely different context - Adult EFL very diff from UK 2ndary school? |
| Imadruid |
12:24 |
@mcneilmahon #Eltchat my pgce is in adult education |
| harrisonmike |
12:24 |
@mcneilmahon @Imadruid There are PGCE's in post compulsory education AKA adults. That's what I did, with ESOL focus #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:24 |
@BobK99 no wt i mean is cultural expectations too feedback too matter #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:24 |
@cherrymp I know it's tricky, but I also know it's possible with training. #ELTChat |
| nutrich |
12:24 |
Perhaps there should be a qualification for some sort of post-CELTA apprenticeship - a scheme run with schools cooperation #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:25 |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: @mcneilmahon though you can do PGCE in EFL these days #eltchat > Really, sounds interesting, didn't know that |
| cherrymp |
12:25 |
@nutrich @TyKendall i'd say that as 'epiphanic' ;) #ELTChat |
| barbsaka |
12:25 |
@nutrich Actually, 1-2 years is norm to get an MATESOL #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:25 |
RT @nutrich: @TyKendall But so many Ts - me included - did CELTA only to travel. I then found I loved the job later. #ELTChat |
| Kalpanapster |
12:25 |
@Marisa_C it DOES. I'm writing lesson plans for teacher support books for Indian text books now. But I'd also like to teach. #ELTChat |
| TyKendall |
12:25 |
#ELTChat PGCE is UK specific though, although im sure it carries some weight abroad |
| esolcourses |
12:25 |
@TyKendall IIRC, new EFL (ESOL) teachers need to be qualified to equivalent level as MFL teachers - CELTA isn't enough anymore #eltchat |
| nutrich |
12:25 |
@TyKendall But so many Ts - me included - did CELTA only to travel. I then found I loved the job later. #ELTChat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:25 |
@nutrich #eltchat Professionals are - would change #efl frm trade 2 profession if we went that route - but we'd lose backpackers like Shaun |
| cherrymp |
12:25 |
@theteacherjames yeah - bt in d action many Ss are worried abt d being given a feedback rather than wt d feedback is #ELTChat |
| pysproblem81 |
12:25 |
@harrisonmike #ELTchat some is UK policy related, but also greater methodology/SLA content |
| Marisa_C |
12:25 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @mcneilmahon though you can do PGCE in EFL these days #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:26 |
Is the online CELTA a way forward to juggle teacher training, CPD, etc? It is very new. #ELTchat |
| barbsaka |
12:26 |
@nutrich So more than one path to the destination :) #ELTChat |
| chucksandy |
12:26 |
feeling a bit left out by all the euro-focus.It's not like this everywhere.There are many different contexts & sets of requirements #eltchat |
| nutrich |
12:26 |
@barbsaka well yeah, I'm doing a one year MA now, but only because I know it's my career. I didn't when I did CELTA! #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:26 |
@mcneilmahon I almost did one last year but then got too busy - they are few and far between as the MA has become popular #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
12:26 |
@Shaunwilden @mcneilmahon was asking if 4 week trained teachers sufficient to keep students happy & paying #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:26 |
@nutrich So the conveyor belt of cheap teachers, greedy schools, and pack em in courses continues... #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:27 |
@Marisa_C @barbsaka #ELTchat Definitely! And CELTA helps many along the way and makes others realise not for them... |
| barbsaka |
12:27 |
Gr8 question! RT @ELTExperiences: Is the online CELTA a way forward to juggle teacher training, CPD, etc? It is very new. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:27 |
RT @Kalpanapster: @esolcourses my CELTA in delhi was fantastic too. Still can't quite believe how much I learnt in 4 weeks. #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:27 |
RT @Kalpanapster: @esolcourses my CELTA in delhi was fantastic too. Still can't quite believe how much I learnt in 4 weeks. #ELTChat |
| cherrymp |
12:27 |
@lu_bodeman 4 wk CELTA training enuf or not for a FT teaching career? join in #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:27 |
@ELTExperiences I see the online course as like a part time course so not sure #eltchat |
| Kalpanapster |
12:27 |
@esolcourses my CELTA in delhi was fantastic too. Still can't quite believe how much I learnt in 4 weeks. #ELTChat |
| BobK99 |
12:27 |
@pysproblem81 Where? (Interested in anywhere but the 7th circle of Hell (alias Reading College!) #eltchat |
| nutrich |
12:27 |
@barbsaka absolutely!! #ELTChat |
| lu_bodeman |
12:27 |
Is there still time to participate in #eltchat? Looking up the topic now. |
| nutrich |
12:27 |
@harrisonmike Not if there's a better system of accrediation, with schools having to offer apprenticeship schemes for new Ts #ELTChat |
| cherrymp |
12:27 |
b4 i srsly took up #ELT even i thought wt's thr 2 study - doing a handful of elt courses made me realise how dynamic d field is. #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:27 |
In Greece for example, ANYONE local can obtain a teaching permit with a Cambridge Proficiency #ELTchat so a 4 week course is huge here |
| cherrymp |
12:28 |
well said>RT @ELTExperiences: @Shaunwilden but a part-time course would offer time for reflection, CPD and sharing experiences. #ELTchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:28 |
@Shaunwilden but a part-time course would offer time for reflection, CPD and sharing experiences. #ELTchat |
| nutrich |
12:28 |
RT @Kalpanapster: @esolcourses my CELTA in delhi was fantastic too. Still can't quite believe how much I learnt in 4 weeks. #ELTChat | : ) |
| harrisonmike |
12:28 |
@nutrich Campaigning for this change has to happen then. Will CELTA 4 week trained Ts stand up for this in their schools? Hope so #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:28 |
RT @chucksandy: feeling a bit left out by all the euro-focus.It's not like this everywhere.There are many different contexts & sets of requirements #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:28 |
RT @nutrich: Maybe CELTA should be 4 weeks f2f then a year of distance online? #ELTChat > Nice idea - ensuring apprenticeship continues |
| barbsaka |
12:28 |
@lu_bodeman You're always welcome to join :) #eltchat |
| TyKendall |
12:28 |
#ELTChat in Israel you have to study for an additional teaching licence, no matter what your training background |
| Shaunwilden |
12:28 |
@pysproblem81 @mcneilmahon It would seem to be in the contexts I've taught in #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:28 |
@Marisa_C @Kalpanapster @esolcourses yeah agreed; bt d learning should continue that's the point rt? #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:28 |
@Kalpanapster A good CELTA course can produce Ts ready to deal with FT work #ELTChat |
| nutrich |
12:28 |
Maybe CELTA should be 4 weeks f2f then a year of distance online? #ELTChat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:29 |
RT @Marisa_C: @cherrymp any good course will produce Ts who KNOW this was just the beginning not the end of the PD #ELTChat > This happens! |
| pysproblem81 |
12:29 |
@BobK99 I did mine at Tower Hamlets College, can't recommend it enough - improved my practice greatly #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:29 |
@ELTExperiences true #eltchat |
| nutrich |
12:29 |
@mcneilmahon @Shaunwilden there were at least four on my course, out of ten #ELTChat |
| harrisonmike |
12:29 |
@nutrich I vote a semester part time as the best mode of delivery for CELTA #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:29 |
@cherrymp any good course will produce Ts who KNOW this was just the beginning not the end of the PD #ELTChat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:29 |
#ELTChat Shaun, do you know how many do CELTA but never go on to teach? |
| nutrich |
12:29 |
@harrisonmike their schools should insist #ELTChat |
| Kalpanapster |
12:30 |
@cherrymp @theteacherjames. Experience does count. It's really upto the teacher to keep pushing oneself hard. CELTA taught us that.#ELTChat |
| nutrich |
12:30 |
Bum. This is good, but I'm going to have to leave you all! Have fun ; ) #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:30 |
@mcneilmahon Off hand no probably imp to track overall - almost all I trained went off to teach even if only a summer school #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:30 |
RT @Marisa_C: In Greece for example, ANYONE local can obtain a teaching permit with a Cambridge Proficiency #ELTchat so a 4 week course is huge here |
| cherrymp |
12:30 |
@Marisa_C rn't v taking things for granted here? don't know. even how much/wt trainees take w/ them is stil a serious study. #ELTChat |
| harrisonmike |
12:30 |
RT @nutrich: @harrisonmike their schools should insist #ELTChat | should but would they? would they pay for all that implies? they should... |
| esolcourses |
12:30 |
@Marisa_C @chucksandy good points. Probably better to focus on the broader context, rather than situation in specific countries #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:30 |
@mcneilmahon No I don't have that info but interested - Cambridge reports 12000 takers annually #ELTChat |
| nutrich |
12:30 |
@harrisonmike you mean as part of a Uni course? That would be a good option for some people #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
12:30 |
RT @mcneilmahon: @Imadruid #Eltchat But PGCE for completely diff context - Adult EFL very diff from UK 2ndary school?! Mine's PGCE (FE) |
| cherrymp |
12:31 |
@Kalpanapster @theteacherjames wonderful - that's the actual learning i'd say #ELTChat |
| harrisonmike |
12:31 |
@nutrich That's how the CELTA is run in the college where I work. 2 CELTA courses a year, 1 day a week #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:31 |
RT @nutrich: @TyKendall But so many Ts - me included - did CELTA only to travel. I then found I loved the job later. #ELTChat - Me too. |
| lu_bodeman |
12:31 |
@barbsaka Thanks, I'm assuming the topic is having a CELTA and TD. ;-) #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
12:31 |
RT @esolcourses: >Probably better to focus on the broader context, rather than situation in specific countries. Thanks for that :-) #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:32 |
@cherrymp @Kalpanapster @Marisa_C agree - think it's really important that the learning continues, & that new teachers get support #ELTChat |
| barbsaka |
12:32 |
@lu_bodeman Pretty much :) #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:32 |
At the British Council where I took the CELTA, the centre director said it was a "boot camp for teachers" - isn't too intense? #ELTchat |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:33 |
#ELTChat I'm planning on doing CELTA part-time, in Madrid it's going to cost me 1,580 € |
| ELTExperiences |
12:33 |
RT @harrisonmike: How much does it cost in different places to do the CELTA? It should be the same, right... #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:33 |
@harrisonmike i think it depends on the country #ELTChat but doesnt differ that much |
| esolcourses |
12:33 |
RT @bealer81: I like the idea of a distance online course afterwards @nutrich #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
12:33 |
RT @chucksandy: my interest is what to do w/ all the untrained teachers round the world already teaching - how to bring them in. #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:33 |
How much does it cost in different places to do the CELTA? It should be the same, right... #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:33 |
@pysproblem81 @mcneilmahon Although Neil and I worked at the same school and it encouraged staff to do DELTA :-) #ELTChat |
| esolcourses |
12:33 |
RT @chucksandy: my interest really is in what to do w/ all the untrained teachers round the world already teaching - how to bring them in. #eltchat |
| bealer81 |
12:33 |
I like the idea of a distance online course afterwards @nutrich #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:33 |
v recently i came across 2 celta cert Ts who still remembers their 'rigrous' course n felt too much is crammed in to too little #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
12:33 |
“@harrisonmike: @nutrich I vote a semester part time as the best mode of delivery for CELTA #eltchat†agree more time to digest |
| chucksandy |
12:33 |
my interest really is in what to do w/ all the untrained teachers round the world already teaching - how to bring them in. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:33 |
@Kalpanapster @cherrymp I agree, my next job taught me far more than CELTA did. But the CELTA prepared me for that, made it poss. #ELTChat |
| harrisonmike |
12:34 |
@esolcourses @chucksandy Portfolio-based APEL-type stuff? #eltchat that's accredited prior experiencial learning |
| cherrymp |
12:34 |
@esolcourses @Kalpanapster @Marisa_C yeah well said - continuing learning in supported environments - nurturing #ELTChat |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:34 |
#ELTChat Yes, I'm worried I'm going to be ahead of other people on the course who dno't ahve any experience. |
| mcneilmahon |
12:34 |
@harrisonmike: #eltchat > Why, what does cost the same in two different contexts? World not made like that... |
| pysproblem81 |
12:34 |
@mcneilmahon some training def needed... How does CELTA compare with Arg profesorado? #ELTchat |
| lu_bodeman |
12:34 |
@Shaunwilden @barbsaka OK. Thanks. #eltchat |
| TyKendall |
12:34 |
#ELTChat i think a big problem is that the 4 week celta suffers a bad reputation. something for gap year students and the career-undecided |
| Marisa_C |
12:34 |
@harrisonmike Can't be the same becose costs and taxes vary in diff places #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:34 |
@theteacherjames @Kalpanapster 'prepared' to learn more - exactly - learning teaching as a continuum #ELTChat |
| cherrymp |
12:35 |
any TT prog demands reflection at the core of action. how theory helps to make sense of practice or connects. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:35 |
@escocesa_madrid No but I might consider doing the DELTA instead #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:35 |
@ELTExperiences Well, let;s put it this way - if you do well on the intensive CELTA, you can deal with anything!!! #ELTchat |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:35 |
#ELTChat Is it unusual to be doing the CELTA with 2 full years teaching experience? |
| theteacherjames |
12:35 |
RT @Marisa_C: @cherrymp any good course will produce Ts who KNOW this was just the beginning not the end of the PD #ELTChat |
| chucksandy |
12:35 |
many teachers are not able to do a Celta because of level or often affordability: the real working class teachers of the world #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:35 |
@escocesa_madrid Actually in my experience its the experienced teacher that has more trouble :-) #ELTChat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:35 |
@pysproblem81 #ELTchat Completely different fish. Profesorado much more theory, CELTA gives survival skills in class, profesorado doesn't.. |
| ELTExperiences |
12:35 |
@harrisonmike my CELTA course cost me abt £1200 but that was in Seoul. I was the only British there. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:36 |
RT @ELTExperiences: I'm gonna play devils advocate and say that the CELTA course is geared towards NETs but agree that NNETs do the course as well. #ELTchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:36 |
I'm gonna play devils advocate and say that the CELTA course is geared towards NETs but agree that NNETs do the course as well. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:36 |
@escocesa_madrid No it isn't unsusual - but as others have said more to unlearn (not always though ) #ELTChat |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:36 |
@Shaunwilden Yes, that's what they told me in a pre-course interview I had in iH. #ELTChat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:36 |
@pysproblem81 #ELTchat ...as a Dos, profesorado teachers need more support in first year of teaching, but then have background to develop.. |
| cherrymp |
12:37 |
@theteacherjames @chucksandy noble objective n w/ internet n pln around i'd say ath is possible #eltchat |
| bealer81 |
12:37 |
RT @ELTExperiences: At the British Council where I took the CELTA, the centre director said it was a "boot camp for teachers" - isn't too intense? #ELTchat |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:37 |
#ELTChat@Shaunwilden But, if I only have 2 years of experience, and it isn't all with adults? #ELTChat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:37 |
@ELTExperiences #ELTchat There's so much to get out of the course for both of them... |
| ELTExperiences |
12:37 |
@Marisa_C very true Marisa. My MA is not as intense as the CELTA. :) #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:37 |
RT @chucksandy: my interest really is in what to do w/ untrained teachers round the world already teaching - how to bring them in. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:37 |
@harrisonmike They ARE going for cheap CELTAs in countries where basic costs are very low #ELTchat - this cannot be helped tho |
| mcneilmahon |
12:38 |
@escocesa_madrid #ELTChat #ELTChat > depends a lot on the experience you have and how comfortable you feel in the efl classroom |
| Shaunwilden |
12:38 |
@escocesa_madrid It depends on the type of exp- delta is no longer just about adult teaching - I had a candidate do it all on YL #ELTChat |
| harrisonmike |
12:38 |
RT @Marisa_C: @harrisonmike They ARE going for cheap CELTAs in countries where basic costs are very low #ELTchat - this cannot be helped tho |
| ELTExperiences |
12:38 |
RT @esolcourses: remember @harmerj quote (apols if paraphrased) abt teachers with 30 yrs experience vs teachers who just repeat the same year x30 #ELTChat |
| cherrymp |
12:38 |
RT @esolcourses: remember @harmerj quote (apols if paraphrased) abt teachers with 30 yrs experience vs teachers who just repeat the same year x30 #ELTChat |
| esolcourses |
12:38 |
remember @harmerj quote (apols if paraphrased) abt teachers with 30 yrs experience vs teachers who just repeat the same year x30 #ELTChat |
| chucksandy |
12:39 |
RT @esolcourses: personally, I think its important to keep learning & developing, irrespective of how long you have been teaching #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:39 |
RT @esolcourses: personally, I think it's important to keep learning & developing, irrespective of how long you have been teaching #ELTChat |
| harrisonmike |
12:39 |
@Shaunwilden @escocesa_madrid Does the name need to change? How many CELTA trained Ts end up with YL classes in their 1st job #eltchat |
| gknightbkk |
12:39 |
RT @esolcourses: remember @harmerj quote (apols if paraphrased) abt teachers with 30 yrs experience vs teachers who just repeat the same year x30 #ELTChat |
| theteacherjames |
12:39 |
@Shaunwilden Exp teacher - think they know it already? #ELTChat |
| esolcourses |
12:39 |
personally, I think it's important to keep learning & developing, irrespective of how long you have been teaching #ELTChat |
| cherrymp |
12:39 |
@ELTExperiences @Marisa_C is the 'intense' related to the time available? 4 wk celta vs 1/2 yr ma #ELTchat |
| TyKendall |
12:39 |
#ELTChat i always preferred scrivener myself |
| theteacherjames |
12:39 |
@ELTExperiences Me too - sole (Seoul?) Brit also. #ELTchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:39 |
@esolcourses totally agree. I love @Harmerj book. #ELTchat |
| pysproblem81 |
12:39 |
@Shaunwilden @mcneilmahon I like College model of req further quals within 2yrs - CELTA recognised as start, but prof.dev req #ELTchat |
| AnthonyGaughan |
12:39 |
Sorry to be missing this but too busy working on a CELTA now to contribute! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:40 |
@harrisonmike I think it does but our CELTA course also includes some input on YLs cecause of this #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:40 |
Do part time CELTAs exist outside of my context in the UK? If not, why not? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:40 |
@harrisonmike No celta ia still very adult - there is celtyl - delta kept the name as a brand #ELTChat |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:40 |
@mcneilmahon @Shaunwilden #ELTChat That's useful, thanks. I might try applying for the DELTA then |
| theteacherjames |
12:40 |
@escocesa_madrid Not outside of Eng speaking countries. Everyone on my CELTA had experience. #ELTChat |
| gknightbkk |
12:40 |
RT @chucksandy: many teachers are not able to do a Celta because of level or often affordability: the real working class teachers of the world #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
12:40 |
RT @esolcourses: remember @harmerj quote (apols if paraphrased) abt teachers with 30 yrs experience vs teachers who just repeat the same year x30 #ELTChat |
| cherrymp |
12:40 |
@esolcourses yeah true - if TT can help Ts to take control of their own CPD then wonderful #ELTChat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:40 |
RT @harrisonmike: @Shaunwilden @escocesa_madrid Does the name need to change? How many CELTA trained Ts end up with YL classes in their 1st job #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:40 |
@pysproblem81 #ELTchat Would be great if we could get this passed...but would mean licensing teachers? And maybe even more 1 year wonders? |
| Shaunwilden |
12:40 |
@theteacherjames ? #ELTChat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:41 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @theteacherjames Oh yes, old dogs new tricks etc - we all develop bad habits mine was TTT :-) #ELTChat > You surprise me! |
| ELTExperiences |
12:41 |
@harrisonmike a part-time CELTA is available at the British Council in Seoul. They are trying to cater for different people. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:41 |
@theteacherjames Oh yes, old dogs new tricks etc - we all develop bad habits mine was TTT :-) #ELTChat |
| esolcourses |
12:41 |
@harrisonmike @chucksandy portfolios good, though these days with blogs, youtube, etc it doesn't necessarily need to be formalised #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:41 |
@harrisonmike We do part time CELTAs but we mostly get people who are local teachers Greek or English #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:41 |
@harrisonmike #eltchat Yes, they do, we run them here in Buenos Aires |
| theteacherjames |
12:41 |
@Shaunwilden Reason why experienced teachers have more trouble. #ELTChat |
| TyKendall |
12:41 |
#ELTChat aren't there separate YL certificates/quals? |
| pysproblem81 |
12:42 |
@mcneilmahon #ELTchat is all getting a bit messy in the UK: http://t.co/NYjVyvo #ifl |
| harrisonmike |
12:42 |
@esolcourses @chucksandy Does if it's going to count to some form of PD to bring in unqualified teachers to same fold #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:42 |
@esolcourses @harrisonmike @chucksandy use of tech to track TD #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:42 |
@ManosSY Hey Mano! #ELTchat Manos just completed our 4 week CELTA in June - aski him maybe how it was |
| SueAnnan |
12:42 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @escocesa_madrid Actually in my experience its the experienced teacher that has more trouble :-) #ELTChat I agree |
| Shaunwilden |
12:42 |
@mcneilmahon Oh said you ! #ELTChat |
| Bee_Kids |
12:42 |
@BobK99 Exactly! Th learning never ends. A four week course, like any course, digs only the foundations. #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:43 |
@escocesa_madrid Non- native Eng Tr #ELTchat |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:43 |
@ELTExperiences What's an NNET? #ELTchat |
| pysproblem81 |
12:43 |
@mcneilmahon #ELTchat in my case, was in contract not through 'license to practise' |
| chucksandy |
12:43 |
RT @harrisonmike: Does if its going to count to some form of PD to bring in unqualified teachers to same fold > what's that mike? #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:43 |
@mcneilmahon @Marisa_C @ELTExperiences Good to know about PT CELTAs, thanks #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:43 |
@harrisonmike @esolcourses @chucksandy isn't #iTDi an attempt in that direction? #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:43 |
It would be great to know how many NNETs do the CELTA. There were two on my course in Seoul. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:44 |
@mcneilmahon that's great! Hope you join us again #ELTchat |
| Bee_Kids |
12:44 |
@barbsaka I started with nothing. Any training or course has only consolidated what I learn through doing... 1/2 #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:44 |
@escocesa_madrid it's a wonderful vibrant community - u'd learn a lot #ELTchat |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:44 |
@ELTExperiences thanks! #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
12:44 |
@harrisonmike @chucksandy for unqualified teachers, yes - agree. Maybe an intermediate qual to bridge CELTA + DELTA, too? #ELTChat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:44 |
RT @pysproblem81: @mcneilmahon #ELTchat was in contract not through 'license to practise' > you have great employer then, most don't care |
| lu_bodeman |
12:44 |
RT @esolcourses: personally, I think it's important to keep learning & developing, irrespective of how long you have been teaching #ELTChat |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:44 |
@cherrymp thanks! This is my first ELTchat session. I'm enjoying it! #ELTchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:44 |
@escocesa_madrid a Non-Native English Teacher #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:44 |
@ELTExperiences I think it depends on country - I ran them in Czech Rep and we had a fair amount of NNET #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:44 |
RT @ManosSY: @Marisa_C most true... Intensive celta can prepare u 4 many impromptu situations in elt classrooms #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:45 |
@esolcourses I think the jump from CELTA to DELTA is too sudden for some Ts tho they take for granted after 2 yrs of teaching #ELTChat |
| harrisonmike |
12:45 |
@chucksandy A portfolio type scheme 2 accredit unqualed teachers 4their teaching experience formally, rank alongside those w/quals #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
12:45 |
RT @cherrymp: @harrisonmike isnt #iTDi an attempt in that direction?>yes it is.We're reaching out to Ts who haven't had much/any PD #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:45 |
@escocesa_madrid just chillax n watch how others do - btw u r doing really well ^_^ #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:45 |
@escocesa_madrid Glad you're enjoying it -every Wednesday at 12.00 and 21 BST :-) http://eltchat.com/ #ELTchat |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:45 |
@cherrymp Just getting the hang of Tweetdesk too. So much to learn! #ELTchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:45 |
@harrisonmike #eltchat Not sure I get what you mean? |
| TyKendall |
12:46 |
#ELTChat i think im someone doesnt take PD seriously, they cant call themselves a teacher @barbsaka |
| chucksandy |
12:46 |
RT @harrisonmike: oh thanks. I missed a tweet i guess. What do you think of that scheme? #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:46 |
@SueAnnan that is good but are the difficulties faced by NETs and NNETs different on a CELTA course? #ELTchat |
| Bee_Kids |
12:46 |
@barbsaka ...2/2 Occasionally generating new questions or ideas. #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
12:46 |
@Bee_Kids Good for you! Great to see teachers who take PD seriously :) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:46 |
RT @Marisa_C: @esolcourses I think the jump from CELTA to DELTA is too sudden for some Ts tho they take for granted after 2 yrs of teaching #ELTChat |
| esolcourses |
12:46 |
RT @Marisa_C: @esolcourses I think the jump from CELTA to DELTA is too sudden for some Ts tho they take for granted after 2 yrs of teaching #ELTChat |
| harrisonmike |
12:47 |
@chucksandy Think it would be a great idea #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:47 |
@harrisonmike Maybe that's the way to go, but hope PD more important to memebership than 38 quid :) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:47 |
@chucksandy Yes - there are difficulties for NNESTs on CELTA but NESTs have their own issues - esp Language Analysis - a WEAK spot #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:47 |
RT @TyKendall: #ELTChat i think im someone doesnt take PD seriously, they cant call themselves a teacher @barbsaka Yes :-) |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:47 |
@Marisa_C How big a jump is it? How many years experience would you recommend before the DELTA? #ELTChat |
| cherrymp |
12:48 |
#tweetdeck crashed - now back to #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:48 |
RT @Marisa_C: Yes - there r difficulties 4 NNESTs on CELTA but NESTs have their own issues - esp Language Analysis - WEAK spot #eltchat This |
| pysproblem81 |
12:48 |
@harrisonmike nursing, doctors, lawyers, accountants etc - see http://t.co/1vyRm6c from @samshep #ELTchat #ifl |
| Marisa_C |
12:48 |
@escocesa_madrid It's not a question of the years, but a question of how much reading and development followed those 2 yrs #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:48 |
@escocesa_madrid @Marisa_C Its hard to say , i think it depends on the teacher, what they have done in the two years etc etc #ELTchat |
| TyKendall |
12:48 |
#ELTChat sorry mistake in my last post, should have said IF not Im...Jesus! |
| barbsaka |
12:49 |
RT @Bee_Kids: #eltchat I train/work with both qualified & unqualified teachers. With experience, there is no discernible difference... |
| esolcourses |
12:49 |
@mcneilmahon @Marisa_C good point. Most NESTs have never been taught English grammar explicitly. #ELTChat |
| Bee_Kids |
12:49 |
#eltchat I train/work with both qualified & unqualified teachers. With experience, there is no discernible difference... |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:49 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C #ELTchat Sure, that makes sense. #ELTChat |
| cherrymp |
12:49 |
@escocesa_madrid just see how ppl do it n learn as @Shaunwilden said 'apprenticeship ;) btw u r doing just fine #ELTchat |
| BobK99 |
12:49 |
RT @TyKendall: #ELTChat sorry mistake in my last post, should have said IF not Im...Jesus! !Had me worried there ;-) |
| Marisa_C |
12:49 |
@escocesa_madrid PLUS, you need to have good research reading and academic writing skills #ELTChat |
| TyKendall |
12:50 |
#ELTChat ten mins left!!!! let's just lobby cambridge to double the 4 week period for a celta :-P |
| Shaunwilden |
12:50 |
RT @gknightbkk: Many are suggesting CELTA is necessary but not sufficient. It's a pre-service vocational course. It's the in-service PD that counts #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:50 |
RT @Marisa_C: @chucksandy Yes - there are difficulties for NNESTs on CELTA but NESTs have their own issues - esp Language Analysis - a WEAK spot #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:50 |
@Bee_Kids #eltchat Quality experience is always the key and CELTA does prepare you to take advantage of good experience if it's on offer |
| gknightbkk |
12:50 |
Many are suggesting CELTA is necessary but not sufficient. It's a pre-service vocational course. It's the in-service PD that counts #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
12:50 |
@harrisonmike #ELTchat think bigger issue with #ifl is lack of credibility in sector |
| cherrymp |
12:50 |
@Bee_Kids don't know how that can happen coz with exp n 'reflection' there shud b some discernible difference #eltchat |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:50 |
@cherrymp Thanks! :-) #ELTchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:51 |
@gknightbkk #eltchat CELTA insufficient, but a longer course would be too, teachers need the classroom experience to grow |
| TyKendall |
12:51 |
@Shaunwilden #ELTChat omg 20 days, thats shocking |
| cherrymp |
12:51 |
@TyKendall vl the market oriented celta listen? #ELTChat |
| bealer81 |
12:51 |
RT @TyKendall: #ELTChat ten mins left!!!! let's just lobby cambridge to double the 4 week period for a celta :-P |
| Bee_Kids |
12:51 |
#eltchat ...The better teachers are those who cont. working to improve -those who genuinely enjoy the learning process. |
| Shaunwilden |
12:51 |
@TyKendall Actually Cambridge say 20 days it is the centres that make it four weeks ! #ELTchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:51 |
On my final day of my course in Seoul all sts had to write a five year plan: aims and objectives. I achieved one out of the three #ELTChat |
| cherrymp |
12:51 |
@esolcourses @mcneilmahon @Marisa_C guess that's the price for being a NSET #ELTChat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:52 |
#ELTChat ten mins left!!!! let's just lobby cambridge to double the 4 week period for a celta :-P > WHY? We're agreeing it's a solid start |
| Shaunwilden |
12:52 |
@TyKendall Its the minimum time -it can be more #ELTchat |
| gknightbkk |
12:52 |
@mcneilmahon Yep. Throw em in the deep end! #eltchat |
| TyKendall |
12:52 |
@Shaunwilden #ELTChat yeah but it sounds so short! i've had zits that lasted longer lol |
| barbsaka |
12:52 |
@Shaunwilden Sounds better with the weekends added in :) #ELTchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:52 |
RT @esolcourses: RT @Bee_Kids: #eltchat ...The better teachers are those who cont. working to improve -those who genuinely enjoy the learning process. |
| Shaunwilden |
12:52 |
@TyKendall thats four weeks :-) #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
12:52 |
RT @Bee_Kids: #eltchat ...The better teachers are those who cont. working to improve -those who genuinely enjoy the learning process. |
| theteacherjames |
12:53 |
@TyKendall @barbsaka @Shaunwilden And you need those weekends to do your assignments! #ELTChat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:53 |
RT @gknightbkk: @mcneilmahon Yep. Throw em in the deep end! #eltchat > at least CELTA gives them wings :) |
| TyKendall |
12:53 |
@mcneilmahon #ELTChat im not sure even just the basics, if its enough though |
| analuisalozano |
12:53 |
RT @Bee_Kids: #eltchat ...The better teachers are those who cont. working to improve -those who genuinely enjoy the learning process. |
| harrisonmike |
12:53 |
@pysproblem81 Agreed. #eltchat |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:53 |
@mcneilmahon That's so true. Here in Spain there's so much importance put on having a certificate, or not. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:54 |
@TyKendall @mcneilmahon It was enough for me to learn the basics! There's a lot you can fit in, you'd be surprised.#ELTChat |
| BobK99 |
12:54 |
RT @mcneilmahon: #ELTChat ... cambridge to doubl the 4 week period for a celta :-P > WHY? We're agreeing it's a solid start ! YES why??? |
| gknightbkk |
12:54 |
@mcneilmahon Clips wings too with and trainers #eltchat |
| davidmearns |
12:54 |
@harrisonmike #eltchat its around 1000£ in istanbul-but definite jobs with it in hand-well worth the p/tag. Quick return on investment |
| Kalpanapster |
12:54 |
RT @esolcourses: RT @bealer81: I like the idea of a distance online course afterwards @nutrich #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:54 |
RT @pysproblem81: @harrisonmike #ELTchat think bigger issue with #ifl is lack of credibility in sector ] agree. |
| ELTExperiences |
12:54 |
There are CELTA extensions but are they worth it? #ELTchat |
| analuisalozano |
12:54 |
RT @Bee_Kids: #eltchat I train/work with both qualified & unqualified teachers. With experience, there is no discernible difference... |
| ELTExperiences |
12:55 |
My final question for the #ELTchat discussion: are there any differences between the CELTA and Trinity Cert? Which is more preferred? |
| esolcourses |
12:55 |
RT @harrisonmike: @mcneilmahon @gknightbkk A longer course could run alongside classroom exp. Our CELTA trainees often end up helping in ESOL classes #eltchat |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:55 |
#ELTchat What would an extension course involve? @ELTExperiences #ELTchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:55 |
RT @ELTExperiences: CELTA extensions, are they worth it? #ELTchat > Any good CPD worth it, but other courses more useful than extensions |
| barbsaka |
12:55 |
Been interesting to hear everyone's take on the CELTA. It's not that popular in Asia, but I do get questions sometmes :) #eltchat |
| TyKendall |
12:55 |
@theteacherjames #ELTChat learn the theory maybe, but its woefully insufficient as far as time in the classroom is concerned and obs |
| harrisonmike |
12:55 |
@mcneilmahon @gknightbkk A longer course could run alongside classroom exp. Our CELTA trainees often end up helping in ESOL classes #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:56 |
@escocesa_madrid there are YL extension courses available and BC centres require teachers in Asia to complete them. #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:56 |
@TyKendall Know it doesn't sound like much, but at that stage it feels like a lot & you honestly learn a great deal about yourself. #ELTChat |
| pysproblem81 |
12:56 |
@esolcourses @harrisonmike Am happy to pay for @NATECLA - can see value. Not seen benefits of being an @IFL_Members yet #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:56 |
@ELTExperiences ooo thats a good one :-) #ELTchat they have the same recognition #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:56 |
As a CELTA course provider I would ask some CELTA cands to do a GRAMMAR course before CELTA #ELTchat |
| cherrymp |
12:56 |
@ELTExperiences nice qn coz celta stole the show n really would like to hear some responses #ELTchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:56 |
RT @gknightbkk: @mcneilmahon Clips wings too with and trainers #eltchat > Come again? :) |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:56 |
@ELTExperiences Here in Spain there's a preference for the CELTA #ELTchat |
| TyKendall |
12:56 |
@ELTExperiences #ELTChat they're the same |
| Marisa_C |
12:57 |
@mcneilmahon for NESTs this is enough - for NNESTs grammar & pronunciation - have had some FAB Ts with such issues #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
12:57 |
RT @pysproblem81: @esolcourses @harrisonmike Am happy to pay for @NATECLA - can see value. Not seen benefits of being an @IFL_Members yet #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:57 |
@Marisa_C This seems to be a growing trend I think? #ELTchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:57 |
RT @Marisa_C: As a CELTA course provider I would ask some CELTA cands to do a GRAMMAR course before CELTA #ELTchat > WHY not a vocab/ pron 1 |
| TyKendall |
12:57 |
@theteacherjames #ELTChat i guess its subjective, i felt like classroom time and observations were insufficient |
| ELTExperiences |
12:57 |
RT @Marisa_C: As a CELTA course provider I would ask some CELTA cands to do a GRAMMAR course before CELTA #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:57 |
RT @ELTExperiences: @escocesa_madrid YL extension courses available and BC centres require teachers in Asia to complete them. #ELTchat |
| gknightbkk |
12:57 |
@mcneilmahon autocorrect "bad trainers" #eltchat |
| davidmearns |
12:57 |
@chucksandy #eltchat would that not mean they shouldn't be English teachers then? |
| theteacherjames |
12:58 |
@TyKendall It really depends where you are & what you need professionally. Had just the right balance & at the right time for me. #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:58 |
@ELTExperiences I will send u an email when that happens #ELTchat |
| bealer81 |
12:58 |
Well this is what i think,http://t.co/I3idIWn My views on my CELTA. Self promotion, but who cares. Comments welcome. #ELTchat |
| TyKendall |
12:58 |
@Shaunwilden #ELTChat but anyone can get a passport, even people who really shouldnt go abroad lol |
| ELTExperiences |
12:58 |
@Marisa_C I'd do a grammar course. Even now. #ELTchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:58 |
RT @gknightbkk: @mcneilmahon autocorrect "bad trainers" #eltchat > Ah, yes, is a danger. I did Trinity with bad, bad trainer + look at me |
| BobK99 |
12:58 |
@Marisa_C #eltchat - OK, but what flavour? :=) |
| Shaunwilden |
12:58 |
RT @Bee_Kids: Doesn't a solid start comes with a healthy support network when u start teaching? CELTA is simply a passport to teach.#ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:58 |
@pysproblem81 @esolcourses @NATECLA @IFL_Members Like the idea of a 'bundle' membership in @samshep's post! #eltchat |
| TyKendall |
12:59 |
@theteacherjames #ELTChat but you had experience beforehand, for those who have none not sure if 6 hours classroom time is enough before |
| theteacherjames |
12:59 |
@Marisa_C We got given a language test to complete before our course. Good thing, made me study out of worry!! #ELTchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:59 |
@Marisa_C :-) #ELTchat |
| escocesa_madrid |
12:59 |
#ELTchat I have to say I was surprised to learn the CELTA course doesn't include much grammar. |
| mcneilmahon |
12:59 |
RT @ELTExperiences: @Marisa_C I'd do a grammar course. Even now. #ELTchat > Check out the IH Language awareness course - it's great! |
| BobK99 |
13:00 |
#eltchat - Bye all. gd chat as ever. |
| theteacherjames |
13:00 |
@TyKendall But I'd never taught groups before (only 121), so it was very new for me. #ELTChat |
| JoHart |
13:00 |
@Marisa_C @chucksandy @esolcourses #eltchat NNESTs issues may inc v varied pronunciation & lack of knowledge of idiom from any ES culture |
| Shaunwilden |
13:00 |
@escocesa_madrid No its more about giving the skills for the teacher to analyse it …#ELTchat |
| mcneilmahon |
13:00 |
RT @escocesa_madrid: #ELTchat I was surprised to learn the CELTA course doesn't include much grammar. > Neither does the English language :) |
| ELTExperiences |
13:01 |
@mcneilmahon thx for that. I'll have a look. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
13:01 |
As we reach the hour mark any volunteers for the summary? #ELTchat |
| mcneilmahon |
13:01 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @escocesa_madrid No its more about giving the skills for the teacher to analyse it …#ELTchat |
| cherrymp |
13:01 |
@Shaunwilden @barbsaka n @Marisa_C thank you for moderating another interesting #eltchat session - cheers |
| barbsaka |
13:02 |
Thank you co-mods @Shaunwilden and @Marisa_C I learned a lot tonight :) #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
13:02 |
@Shaunwilden #ELTchat Not this week, too much Delta preparation to do, maybe next week... |
| Shaunwilden |
13:02 |
The 21.00 BST #eltchat is The importance of active listening and how to do this in an EFL classroom see you then |
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