| username |
time |
status |
| LukeMeddings |
12:00 |
RT @Shaunwilden: Are you ready to #eltchat - Is dogme possible 4 beginners? > ready after untimely wifi drop! |
| Shaunwilden |
12:00 |
The moderators for today's #eltchat are @Marisa_C, @rliberni, @barbsaka and me (but not for long). We also have @LukeMeddings as a guest |
| barbsaka |
12:00 |
I am! RT @Shaunwilden: Are you ready to #eltchat - Is dogme possible 4 beginners? |
| rliberni |
12:00 |
RT @Shaunwilden: Are you ready to #eltchat - Is dogme possible 4 beginners? |
| Shaunwilden |
12:00 |
Are you ready to #eltchat - Is dogme possible 4 beginners? |
| vbenevolofranca |
12:01 |
RT @Shaunwilden: Are you ready to #eltchat - Is dogme possible 4 beginners? |
| Shaunwilden |
12:01 |
@LukeMeddings Aint that always the way, glad you got back in time :-) #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
12:01 |
Woohoo - can actually join in with #eltchat for a bit! And teaching an Elementary class atm, so sth v. interesting for me :) |
| LukeMeddings |
12:02 |
RT @sandymillin: Woohoo - can join in with #eltchat ! And teaching an Elementary class atm, so sth v. interesting for me :) > welcome ! |
| harrisonmike |
12:02 |
12.01 #eltchat GO! Dogme with (adult) beginner students = possible? |
| barbsaka |
12:02 |
Who else teaches beginners besides @sandymilin and me? #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:03 |
RT @rliberni: Welcome to #eltchat your mods today are @Shaunwilden @barbsaka @LukeMeddings and me :-) Pls ask if you need help |
| rliberni |
12:03 |
RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat @barbsaka @sandymillin I teach full range, right from pre-literate to advanced. Some beginners don't have r + w skills in L1 |
| rliberni |
12:03 |
Welcome to #eltchat your mods today are @Shaunwilden @barbsaka @LukeMeddings and me :-) Pls ask if you need help |
| harrisonmike |
12:03 |
#eltchat @barbsaka @sandymillin I teach full range, right from pre-literate to advanced. Some beginners don't have r + w skills in L1 |
| barbsaka |
12:04 |
OK, @LukeMeddings I suspect I know your answer....Is Dogme possible with adult beginners? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
12:04 |
RT @Shaunwilden: 12.00 BST #eltchat is "Is dogme possible with adult beginners?" |
| rliberni |
12:05 |
RT @LukeMeddings: @harrisonmike But all beginners have something to communicate - do you find that starting from there starts to generate language? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:05 |
RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat My short answer is that I agree with @robhaines http://trunc.it/h0nu1 dogme w/beginners (esp. adults) is possible and GOOD |
| LukeMeddings |
12:05 |
@harrisonmike But all beginners have something to communicate - do you find that starting from there starts to generate language? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:05 |
@barbsaka I did have a complete beginner last autumn interesting as it had ben a long time - we 'lived' the language! #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:05 |
#eltchat My short answer is that I agree with @robhaines http://trunc.it/h0nu1 dogme w/beginners (esp. adults) is possible and GOOD |
| brad5patterson |
12:05 |
Howdy all ! Excited for today's #eltchat Thanks for joining us @LukeMeddings |
| HerreraVeronica |
12:05 |
RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat @barbsaka @sandymillin I teach full range, right from pre-literate to advanced. > id with me |
| barbsaka |
12:06 |
@LukeMeddings How do we get that something to 'communicate' from students b4 they have language to communicate? Tips? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:06 |
Ok got to go enjoy the #eltchat and the hangout - see you all (well most of you) at 21.00 |
| harrisonmike |
12:06 |
Should be a good one! RT @brad5patterson: Howdy all ! Excited for today's #eltchat Thanks for joining us @LukeMeddings |
| Marisa_C |
12:06 |
Hello everyone and welcome to this #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
12:06 |
#eltchat What does the teacher need to be able to do to use Dogme with beginners? |
| mmgrinberg |
12:07 |
Hi everybody! #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
12:07 |
@barbsaka maybe you could use pictures. draw a picture of you in a situation, students name things. then do same #eltchat |
| LukeMeddings |
12:07 |
@barbsaka well.. yes I 'would' say yes ; ) but I do say yes,because dogme starts with ocmmunicative need not language exponents #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:07 |
RT @barbsaka: @LukeMeddings How do we get that something to 'communicate' from students b4 they have language to communicate? Tips? #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
12:07 |
@Shaunwilden See you! #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:07 |
RT @sandymillin: #eltchat What does the teacher need to be able to do to use Dogme with beginners? Good questions |
| harrisonmike |
12:08 |
#eltchat I would say that key 4 working w/ an unplugged approach (with beginners) is making sure you acknowledge and access their interests |
| barbsaka |
12:08 |
@mmgrinberg Welcome! #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
12:08 |
@sandymillin Are you suggesting that I listen to students in the L1 and then tell them how to say the same thing in their L2? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
12:09 |
RT @rliberni: Are we a bit sluggish (twitter I mean Lol) or id it just me? #eltchat > was wondering the same thing! |
| sandymillin |
12:09 |
@barbsaka No, I mean draw a picture to give starter language. They draw own picture, you help to make sentences. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:09 |
RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat I would say that key 4 working w/ an unplugged approach (with beginners) is making sure you acknowledge and access their interests |
| rliberni |
12:09 |
RT @barbsaka: @sandymillin Are you suggesting that I listen to students in the L1 and then tell them how to say the same thing in their L2? #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
12:09 |
RT @barbsaka: @LukeMeddings How do we get that something to 'communicate' from students b4 they have language to communicate? Tips? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:09 |
Are we a bit sluggish (twitter I mean Lol) or id it just me? #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:10 |
Definitely RT @rliberni: @harrisonmike good point & if they are in an English speaking country their immediate needs for language #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:10 |
@brad5patterson it keeps happening - no idea which hat I'm wearing! #eltchat :-) |
| Marisa_C |
12:10 |
moderators for today's #eltchat are @Marisa_C, @rliberni, @barbsaka . We also have @LukeMeddings as a guest moderator - |
| vbenevolofranca |
12:10 |
I also think that adults in many cases are false beginners so starting from the learner can actually be a bit easier. #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:10 |
@englishraven has done a lot of terrific work with beginners. Are you with us today, Jason? #eltchat |
| LukeMeddings |
12:10 |
@barbsaka it can start with gesture, the attempt to communicate - as @harrisonmike says - 'stoke it' : ) #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:10 |
@harrisonmike good point & if they are in an English speaking country their immediate needs for language #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
12:10 |
@mmgrinberg Hi Michael ;-) First time catching u here #eltchat Looking forward to today's chat. |
| englishraven |
12:11 |
@mmgrinberg in spirit though unfortunately not in action - juggling too many full plates to count at the moment :-) #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:11 |
@englishraven has this fantastic lesson when he starts with a question mark on the board, elicits qns from ss who use mime #eltchat |
| LukeMeddings |
12:11 |
@vbenevolofranca a very neat summary of an important distinction - there will be latent language with many adult false beginners #eltchat |
| aClilToClimb |
12:11 |
RT @vbenevolofranca: I also think that adults in many cases are false beginners so starting from the learner can actually be a bit easier. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:12 |
RT @LukeMeddings: @vbenevolofranca a very neat summary of an important distinction - there will be latent language with many adult false beginners #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:13 |
I think that one of the reasons dogme is gr8 4 beginners is that it helps to tell the true beginners from lower ele ss #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:13 |
RT @brad5patterson: @LukeMeddings do you have any juicy activity ideas for adult beginners ? #eltchat as @ba… (cont) http://deck.ly/~vlMhV |
| brad5patterson |
12:13 |
@LukeMeddings do you have any juicy activity ideas for adult beginners ? #eltchat as @barbsaka said--> tips upon entering such a class ? |
| MarkWordSmith |
12:13 |
#eltchat Beginners is great for dogme. Might have to input more language than usual but the language needs/desires are easily identifiable |
| mmgrinberg |
12:13 |
@englishraven That's a shame, as I owe you sooo much, esp 4 the unplugged lessons 4 th beginners #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:14 |
#eltchat I saw a wonderful video @ #NATECLA in July, a woman teaching English 2 false beginner using a coke can&other props. Will try 2 find |
| mkofab |
12:14 |
@rliberni Lol! I understood that perfectly! Will let you get on with eltchat now. :-) #teethinformultitasking |
| englishraven |
12:14 |
@mmgrinberg Very kind of you, Michael - hope those lessons are going well for you! #eltchat |
| aClilToClimb |
12:14 |
ive 1 (false) beginner & he told me if I wr 2 teach him 'grammar', he probly wnt learn anything, but he's learning a lot... #ELTchat |
| LukeMeddings |
12:15 |
dogme is a drawing out, not a putting in - I think this works at beginner level as a concept : ) #eltchat |
| happycatstefl |
12:15 |
@harrisonmike @rliberni #eltchat Are you both teaching full time at the moment and do you blog? We'd like to hear about your experiences :) |
| tefljobslondon |
12:15 |
@harrisonmike @rliberni #eltchat Are you both teaching full time at the moment and do you blog? We'd like to hear about your experiences :) |
| rliberni |
12:15 |
RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat I saw a wonderful video @ #NATECLA in July, a woman teaching English 2 false beginner using a coke can&other props. Will try 2 find |
| mmgrinberg |
12:15 |
So, even if you use a coursebook w yr beginner class, it's often worth spending 2-3 classes going dogme at first #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:15 |
Maybe just me I'm on a dongle (don't worry I'm having treatment :-)) so not firing on all cylinders Lol #eltchat |
| LukeMeddings |
12:15 |
@brad5patterson as @vbenevolofranca blogged - look out for stuff - \notice / the new haircut,use mime not to model but to elicit #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:16 |
@LukeMeddings so with complete beginners, say kids, how would this work? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:16 |
@LukeMeddings I like that thought Luke - based on output not input which has been pre-determined #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:16 |
@LukeMeddings even d very word 'education' has its etymological meaning as to 'draw out' #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:16 |
What's crucial, however, is to use their notebooks as coursebooks systematically thx @englishraven #eltchat |
| aClilToClimb |
12:16 |
RT @LukeMeddings: dogme is a drawing out, not a putting in - I think this works at beginner level as a concept : ) #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:16 |
RT @LukeMeddings: dogme is a drawing out, not a putting in - I think this works at beginner level as a concept : ) #eltchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
12:16 |
RT @LukeMeddings: dogme is a drawing out, not a putting in - I think this works at beginner level as a concept : ) #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:17 |
RT @mmgrinberg: What's crucial, however, is to use their notebooks as coursebooks systematically thx @englishraven #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:17 |
@LukeMeddings tho I expect kids are exposed to so much via TV & movies nowadays #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:17 |
@rliberni Let's separate beginners and kids, ok? #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
12:17 |
RT @Marisa_C: @LukeMeddings I like that thought Luke - based on output not input which has been pre-determined #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:17 |
As we speak, one of my trainees is going to be experimenting with a dogme lesson for his DELTA experimental assignment #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:17 |
Accessing the inner life RT @LukeMeddings: dogme is a drawing out,not a putting in -think this wrks @ beginnr levl as a concept : ) #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:17 |
@mmgrinberg nice points u r making #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:17 |
RT @Marisa_C: @LukeMeddings I like that thought Luke - based on output not input which has been pre-determined #eltchat |
| LukeMeddings |
12:17 |
RT @cherrymp: @LukeMeddings even d very word 'education' has its etymological meaning as to 'draw out' #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:18 |
@rliberni With complete beginners I think you can start w basic personal questions and objcts in th classroom #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:18 |
...so is @teacher_prix tomorrow #ELTchat which suggests that dogme not yet mainstream |
| mmgrinberg |
12:19 |
@harrisonmike These are teaching materials, aren't 'ey ?? )) #eltchat |
| BrunoLeys |
12:19 |
@LukeMeddings Isn't that more or less also what Merrill Swain had been saying with the "Output-hypothesis"? #eltchat |
| MarkWordSmith |
12:19 |
#eltchat Input doesn't have to be pre-determined though and can be used to link together output |
| harrisonmike |
12:19 |
@rliberni @LukeMeddings Pics of their favourite singers/sports stars? Music, sound FX. Anything that access the brain w/out words #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:19 |
does dogme work on the principle of aside language Ss have got wonderful ideas which can b utilised to teach them language? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:20 |
@mmgrinberg but often the only real beginners are kid, no? #eltchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
12:20 |
RT @Marisa_C: As we speak, one of my trainees is going to be experimenting with a dogme lesson for his DELTA experimental assignment #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:20 |
RT @harrisonmike: @rliberni @LukeMeddings Pics of their favourite singers/sports stars? Music, sound FX. Anything that access the brain w/out words #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:21 |
@barbsaka OK I just mentioned in passing but point taken #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:21 |
@rliberni @mmgrinberg seems we need to define 'beginners' in terms of lang prof as well as age n @barbsaka just ltd d def #eltchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
12:21 |
@barbsaka Oops, yes, got carried away there, sorry. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:21 |
RT @harrisonmike: @mmgrinberg Yep, but not from a 'course', from real life - tailor to your environment. Dogme is what you do with them #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
12:21 |
@rliberni Think the topic was adult beginners, right? #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:21 |
If they are silent, I would show my passport, then draw it on the board w gaps, get them to ask #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:21 |
@mmgrinberg Yep, but not from a 'course', from real life - tailor to your environment. Dogme is what you do with them #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:22 |
@rliberni W kids, I would use a lot of games that don't really rely on language and then see where it goes #eltchat |
| MarkWordSmith |
12:22 |
@mmgrinberg yes I think "board with gaps" plays a big part #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:22 |
@rliberni @mmgrinberg Often, but not always... ;o) #eltchat |
| LukeMeddings |
12:22 |
RT @harrisonmike: [start w what] accesses the brain w/out words-this echoes @cherrymp thought about st ideas 'aside from language' #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:23 |
so from no language to some language to whole language - is it how it works? #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:23 |
Great activity RT @mmgrinberg: If they are silent, I would show my passport, then draw it on the board w gaps, get them to ask #eltchat |
| LukeMeddings |
12:24 |
@brad5patterson I think language grows quickly - the wordless stage won't last long #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:24 |
Actually I think that the real difference btwn dogme & other methods is that thr R NO lesson plans that always work - u LISTEN 1st #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:24 |
@brad5patterson @rliberni @LukeMeddings Recasting whatever the student produces to a more target like form. They point ... 1/2 #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:24 |
I teach mostly advanced now but have taught many real beginners (bef internet etc.) so really nothing at all lots of mime, realia, #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:25 |
RT @mmgrinberg: Actually I think that the real difference btwn dogme & other methods is that thr R NO lesson plans that always work - u LISTEN 1st #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
12:25 |
@mmgrinberg I think all methods have that in common--nothing ever works all the time :) #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:25 |
@LukeMeddings last year about 3 days but it was an immersion course #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:25 |
@brad5patterson @rliberni @LukeMeddings 2/2... point at themself and say 'Mark', you model 'My name is Mark' go from there #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:25 |
RT @cherrymp: so from no language to some language to whole language - is it how it works? good descrip! #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:26 |
@harrisonmike exactly - taught French to beginners too same type of thing yet whole lesson in French #eltchat |
| LukeMeddings |
12:26 |
@harrisonmike Yes a very nice example: we don't need grammar to communicate,but it emerges from communicative need #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:26 |
RT @brad5patterson: #eltchat didn't catch it live, tho looking forward to the #RSCON3 recording of @sabridv experience w/ dogme n beginners http://ow.ly/5TXn4 |
| Marisa_C |
12:26 |
@brad5patterson I looked for that recording too but hasn't been put up yet #eltchat #RSCON3 |
| cherrymp |
12:26 |
for #dogme to work teacher needs to be really patient ^_^ - no fastfood teaching would work here IMHO #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
12:26 |
#eltchat didn't catch it live, tho looking forward to the #RSCON3 recording of @sabridv experience w/ dogme n beginners http://ow.ly/5TXn4 |
| sandymillin |
12:27 |
Have to go as work beckons, but will leave you w/ this week's #infiniteeltideas prompt: http://wp.me/p1sbtu-2W #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
12:27 |
RT @LukeMeddings: @harrisonmike Yes a very nice example: we don't need grammar to communicate,but it emerges from communicative need #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:27 |
RT @mmgrinberg: @barbsaka Yes, but dogme is so much about spontaneous, reactive (vs scripted, proactive )teaching, am I wrong? #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:27 |
@barbsaka Yes, but dogme is so much about spontaneous, reactive (vs scripted, proactive )teaching, am I wrong? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:28 |
RT @vbenevolofranca: Often use input/output metaphor. When use new metaphor, changes all:Anna Sfard´s "participation" metaphor: http://bit.ly/nAunmo #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:28 |
@LukeMeddings The qn is - how sure are we about the elements of lang that make up the basic English lang? Alws start w 'to be'? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:28 |
RT @cherrymp: can Ts who're not sure abt their own lang proficiency embrace #dogme - i wonder! Gr8 question #eltchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
12:28 |
Often use input/output metaphor. When use new metaphor, changes all:Anna Sfard´s "participation" metaphor: http://bit.ly/nAunmo #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
12:28 |
Very good question! RT @cherrymp: can Ts who're not sure abt their own lang proficiency embrace #dogme - i wonder! #eltchat |
| SarahHannah |
12:28 |
My beginners were floundering so I went back to text book :-( Maybe I was floundering! Reading this chat with great interest! #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:28 |
@cherrymp yes patience but v beg/elementary can be great fun too #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:28 |
can Ts who're not sure abt their own lang proficiency embrace #dogme - i wonder! #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
12:28 |
@mmgrinberg I think that's a fair desription :) #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:29 |
@mmgrinberg I would tend to start with what's around and what the learners need this may not be grammar #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:29 |
@rliberni Eejes I kan as nonnativ spiker :P #eltchat |
| LukeMeddings |
12:29 |
RT @cherrymp 'for #dogme to work teacher needs to be really patient' > agreed - patient, encouraging, smiling - drawing out #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:29 |
RT @barbsaka: Very good question! RT @cherrymp: can Ts who're not sure abt their own lang proficiency embrace #dogme - i wonder! #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:30 |
@cherrymp Not an answer but another interesting question - who owns the language? is proficiency relative? #eltchat |
| catsndogs |
12:30 |
#eltchat note that in team teaching this may be ok with 1 T, the other completely at a loss. see that in japan with task based learning |
| barbsaka |
12:30 |
@LukeMeddings Is there a connection between teacher language proficiency and success with dogme? #eltchat @cherrymp |
| Marisa_C |
12:30 |
@LukeMeddings #dogme #eltchat Patient, smiling, drawing out - aren'tt those qualities of good teachers a priori? |
| ELTExperiences |
12:30 |
Sorry to be a little late with the #ELTChat but was with a hangout with @Marisa_C. I have experience about teaching Beg. sts using DogmeELT |
| brad5patterson |
12:31 |
RT @SarahHannah: My beginners were floundering so I went back to text book :-( Maybe I was floundering! Reading this chat with great interest! #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:31 |
@mmgrinberg if they'll pass out w/out it then yes! #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
12:31 |
RT @vbenevolofranca: Often use input/output metaphor. When use new metaphor, changes all:Anna Sfard´s "participation" metaphor: http://bit.ly/nAunmo #eltchat |
| aClilToClimb |
12:31 |
#ELTchat draw em out, yeah, q & q & q. Take notes, n more notes. What you aren't sure, chk them at home n review next lesson |
| cherrymp |
12:31 |
@rliberni there's also a qn of meeting Ss expectations there - esp in #India Ss s'how expect eng learning to begin w grammar #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:31 |
@rliberni If it's a hot day, start w 'Water?' #eltchat |
| LukeMeddings |
12:31 |
@mmgrinberg Inclined to start with what helps sts say what they want to say, then @SarahHannah compare w (coursebook) syllabus #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:32 |
@harrisonmike well who owns language - ab who can use language. bt how it's used comes into qn when i start using with others #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:32 |
I have used very minimal resources to teach beginner students but have reacted to the student's lack of knowledge #eltchat |
| catsndogs |
12:32 |
#ELTchat how to get Ss to go along when they are used to T led lessons? |
| JoHart |
12:32 |
@rliberni #ELTchat Yes - this is how I work to meet stdnt needs when they are in a topic of which I know little - send them to research etc |
| brad5patterson |
12:32 |
@SarahHannah why were they having a hard time ? What do you think could have helped ? #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:32 |
@ Dogme Symposiam @AnthonyGaughan had a great metaphor abt only needing to b one step ahead of the learner re lang proficiency of T #eltchat |
| LukeMeddings |
12:32 |
RT @Marisa_C: @LukeMeddings #dogme #eltchat Patient, smiling, drawing out - aren'tt those qualities of good teachers a priori? > yep.. : ) |
| mmgrinberg |
12:32 |
@rliberni I'm talking about 'needs' #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:33 |
RT @catsndogs: #ELTchat how to get Ss to go along when they are used to T led lessons? > another good qn |
| rliberni |
12:33 |
@mmgrinberg so am I ,we used to begin with coffee and tea with polite intonation on day 1 so they could order at the break! #eltchat |
| LukeMeddings |
12:33 |
RT @harrisonmike: @ Dogme Symposiam @AnthonyGaughan had a great metaphor abt only needing to b one step ahead of the learner re lang proficiency of T #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:33 |
#eltchat How would you provide learners with constant support during spking activities (Vocabulary banks in New English File, Grammar bnks)? |
| MarkWordSmith |
12:33 |
Language teachers are just sharing how they communicate in the target language so proficiency isn't so much the issue #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:33 |
@catsndogs I suppose little and often sessions that are Dogme-esque (perhaps at the end of class) then incorporate more and more #ELTChat |
| barbsaka |
12:33 |
Here at the halfway mark with #eltchat please start thinking about volunteering to do a summary about this discussion :) |
| Marisa_C |
12:33 |
RT @JoHart: @rliberni #ELTchat Yes - this is how I work to meet stdnt needs when they are in a topic of whic… (cont) http://deck.ly/~OLFFv |
| rliberni |
12:34 |
RT @brad5patterson: RE: @harrisonmike @cherrymp who owns the language? is proficiency relative? #eltchat >>> great 1min video: http://ow.ly/5TXKE |
| vbenevolofranca |
12:34 |
@cherrymp @rliberni Would say in Brazil same need for "explicit teacher role" . This 4 me greatest challenge 4 unplugged teaching #eltchat |
| catsndogs |
12:34 |
#ELTchat I think the T need be just a bit ahead, many Ss are great Ts for their peers in class at young levels |
| barbsaka |
12:34 |
@catsndogs I keep a space open at the start of class for a "what's new?" segment, and pull out mini-lessons #ELTchat |
| brad5patterson |
12:34 |
RE: @harrisonmike @cherrymp who owns the language? is proficiency relative? #eltchat >>> great 1min video: http://ow.ly/5TXKE |
| Marisa_C |
12:34 |
Am with @JoHart and @ELTExperiences in a google+ hangout - come join us and chat with us #ELTchat http://bit.ly/n6fQV3 |
| rliberni |
12:34 |
RT @cherrymp: RT @catsndogs: #ELTchat how to get Ss to go along when they are used to T led lessons? > another good qn |
| LukeMeddings |
12:35 |
@Marisa_C @BrunoLeys but smiling and encouraging can turn to a grimace if we are overly focused on 'getting sts to do something' #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:35 |
RT @Marisa_C: Does anyoe have any thoughts why dogme not a mainstream method? Is it Ts DOSes parents or publishers that oppose ? #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:35 |
RT @BrunoLeys: I suppose the starting point can be very different. In Flanders almost all beginners are false beginners. Makes it easier. #eltchat |
| BrunoLeys |
12:35 |
I suppose the starting point can be very different. In Flanders almost all beginners are false beginners. Makes it easier. #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
12:35 |
RT @catsndogs: #ELTchat how to get Ss to go along when they are used to T led lessons? |
| cherrymp |
12:35 |
@brad5patterson @harrisonmike thanks :) #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
12:35 |
@catsndogs And sometimes the mini-lessons are so rich they become the main lesson for that day :) #ELTchat |
| LukeMeddings |
12:35 |
RT @barbsaka: Here at the halfway mark with #eltchat please start thinking about volunteering to do a summary about this discussion :) |
| barbsaka |
12:36 |
@brad5patterson Hugs and Kisses, Brad :) #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:36 |
RT @catsndogs: #ELTchat how about a balance of T led with unplug, a little at a time? seems fair |
| brad5patterson |
12:36 |
@barbsaka I told @shaunwilden last week I'd be happy to do it--- love participating in #ELTchat and it's about my turn ! ;-) |
| barbsaka |
12:36 |
Works in Asia :) RT @catsndogs: #ELTchat how about a balance of T led with unplug, a little at a time? seems fair |
| catsndogs |
12:36 |
#ELTchat how about a balance of T led with unplug, a little at a time? seems fair |
| rliberni |
12:36 |
@BrunoLeys I think there is a diff in approach and real beginners are fairly rare now #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:36 |
@barbsaka @catsndogs very true - has exp it many times - mini lessons becoming main lesson #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:36 |
RT @brad5patterson: RE: @harrisonmike @cherrymp who owns the language? is proficiency relative? #eltchat gr8 1min video: http://ow.ly/5TXKE |
| rliberni |
12:37 |
RT @JoHart: @rliberni #ELTchat Yes - this is how I work to meet stdnt needs when they are in a topic of which I know little - send them to research etc |
| JoHart |
12:37 |
#ELTchat think teacher led may be very predominant in language but less so in other fields? |
| rliberni |
12:37 |
@vbenevolofranca I think it depends on the activity but w/beginners I see less TT & more collab personally #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:37 |
@Marisa_C Because of perceived things about how we have to regulate ourselves for external bodies for standardisation- ofsted, etc. #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:37 |
@catsndogs a little and often is more appropriate rather than deep-ending sts into a Dogme based lesson. It might shock them. #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:37 |
@LukeMeddings Do you find that certain methods suit certain types of teachers more than others by way of persona and teaching style #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:38 |
@brad5patterson i was hoping someone would bring up that sign :-) #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:38 |
@JoHart but should it be teacher led more teacher as model? #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:38 |
@ELTExperiences @catsndogs n i'm sure teaching unplugged is never about shocking Ss bt activating them #eltchat |
| TammyVine |
12:38 |
RT @cherrymp: RT @catsndogs: #ELTchat how to get Ss to go along when they are used to T led lessons? > another good qn |
| brad5patterson |
12:38 |
@Marisa_C the industry has been textbook dominated for a long time--- takes time to change (especially when there's $ involved ;-) #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:38 |
@Marisa_C @LukeMeddings I think that some students expect the role of teachers depends upon sts educational experience. #ELTChat |
| LukeMeddings |
12:38 |
@catsndogs Think interaction at beginner stage can still be T-led,it's about being responsive not (overly) directive #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:38 |
I wd get them 2 create sections in their copybks: 1 4 lexical sets as they pop up, 1 4 'uncovered' grammar, 1 4 txts / ongoing wk #eltchat |
| BrunoLeys |
12:38 |
@LukeMeddings @Marisa_C We cannot force them, if that's what you mean. Ss should see a need, a want... if not, there's no Dogme #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:38 |
RT @JoHart: #ELTchat think teacher led may be very predominant in language but less so in other fields? |
| SarahHannah |
12:38 |
@brad5patterson low self-confidence some on methadone think book has given them a crutch and makes them feel like 'real' students #eltchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
12:39 |
@mmgrinberg Oh, absolutely! But cultural issues (always go on about this) actually affect way teachers, learners see things.#eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:39 |
@cherrymp @catsndogs unless sts have no previous experience of Dogme ELT. It would be a bit of a shock. #ELTChat |
| WarwickLanguage |
12:39 |
#eltchat as an mfl teacher, i was nt aware of dogme, sure it can be useful for begs, but time constraints may be a factor to consider |
| JoHart |
12:39 |
@Marisa_C Umm! #ELTchat - mainstream in some areas of adult ed as adult learning principles :) |
| cherrymp |
12:39 |
@Marisa_C @brad5patterson lol #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:39 |
RT @LukeMeddings: @catsndogs Think interaction at beginner stage can still be T-led,it's about being responsive not (overly) directive #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:40 |
@ELTExperiences @catsndogs even many Ts around me r yet to hear abt #dogme - so can v well imagine abt Ss #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:40 |
The key positive role of coursebooks is to train newbie teachers. It's esp important at low levels: instructions, graded lang etc #eltchat |
| LukeMeddings |
12:40 |
@Marisa_C re personality and methods-yes-no one size for Ts or Ss,was talking about this at the weekend : ) could be a great #eltchat no? |
| harrisonmike |
12:40 |
@TammyVine @cherrymp @catsndogs goes bk 2 teachng tradition theyre brought up in. BUT shud they really expct th same when u weren't #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:40 |
RT @ELTExperiences: @cherrymp @catsndogs unless sts have no previous experience of Dogme ELT. It would be a bit of a shock. #ELTChat |
| cherrymp |
12:41 |
@ELTExperiences @catsndogs 'little but often' approach to introducing Dogme ELT. #ELTChat > hear hear |
| BrunoLeys |
12:41 |
@rliberni Rare, though not extinct. Especially outside the Western world. #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
12:41 |
@mmgrinberg There are plenty of experienced teachers who also choose to use courseboks :) #eltchat |
| catsndogs |
12:41 |
#ELTchat i find that here i japan, kids find it refreshing to have a lesson that values their input and is not from the 'book' |
| brad5patterson |
12:41 |
@Marisa_C @cherrymp has anybody ever tweeted ABBA on #eltchat ? http://t.co/3B6PuC9 ;-) |
| ELTExperiences |
12:41 |
@cherrymp @catsndogs this is why sts (and teachers) need to apply a 'little but often' approach to introducing Dogme ELT. #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:42 |
@LukeMeddings I think so -part of my job to help teachers find what suits them best -so no orthodoxy of one sort or another appeals #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:42 |
RT @catsndogs: #ELTchat i find that hre i japan, kids find it refreshing 2 have a lesson that values their input & is not from the 'book' :) |
| LukeMeddings |
12:42 |
@ELTExperiences @catsndogs As Freire said (sorry no quote) facilitator teacher is still responsible for what is happening in class #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:42 |
Are teachers more concerned about methods and approaches or more concerned about offering an environment conducive for learning. #ELTChat |
| barbsaka |
12:42 |
@mmgrinberg But experienced teachers make the coursebook work for their needs, rather than feeling trapped by it :) #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:43 |
@barbsaka I'm one year post CELTA, and yes I do sometimes feel trapped - esp by *good* coursebooks #eltchat |
| SarahHannah |
12:43 |
RT @ELTExperiences: @Marisa_C @LukeMeddings I think that some students expect the role of teachers depends upon sts educational experience. #ELTChat |
| harrisonmike |
12:43 |
@ELTExperiences Good question! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:43 |
Difficult to juggle both #ELTchat nd google+ folks - but I'm learning!!!! hope my tweets have been making sense :-) |
| harrisonmike |
12:43 |
RT @ELTExperiences: Are teachers more concerned about methods and approaches or more concerned about offering an environment conducive for learning. #ELTChat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:43 |
RT @LukeMeddings: @ELTExperiences @catsndogs As Freire said (sorry no quote) facilitator teacher is still responsible for what is happening in class #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:43 |
@Marisa_C @LukeMeddings teaching style n teacher's persona - good pt :) #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:44 |
@vbenevolofranca I wk in Russia, and it's the same thing here. And yet it's possible to train them 2 be more active / autonomous #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:44 |
RT @cherrymp: @ELTExperiences ideally it shud b learning at the forefront - bt many Ts are still caught up in method part #eltchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
12:44 |
RT @ELTExperiences: Are teachers more concerned about methods and approaches or more concerned about offering an environment conducive for learning. #ELTChat |
| barbsaka |
12:44 |
@mmgrinberg there's a curve, as in all things :) #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:44 |
@ELTExperiences ideally it shud b learning at the forefront - bt many Ts are still caught up in method part #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:44 |
@Marisa_C You need a plugin to post straight to Twitter from G+ #eltchat |
| vbenevolofranca |
12:44 |
Sorry, need to go now & leave #eltchat. Thanks to @Marisa_C @rliberni @barbsaka & @LukeMeddings for moderation. |
| rliberni |
12:44 |
@BrunoLeys true I had a complete beginner std from Colombia last year #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
12:45 |
@mcneilmahon At the last 15 minutes of a very interesting #eltchat on dogme for beginners :) |
| harrisonmike |
12:45 |
@mcneilmahon 15 mins left, is dogme possible with adult beginners #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
12:45 |
RT @mmgrinberg: @barbsaka I'm one year post CELTA, and yes I do sometimes feel trapped - esp by *good* coursebooks #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
12:45 |
@Marisa_C so you're doing #ELTchat on G+ too ? sounds multi-task tempting ! |
| LukeMeddings |
12:45 |
@brad5patterson looks like they have now, Brad : ) #eltchat tempted to find dogme-supporting Abba song but no time now! |
| barbsaka |
12:45 |
@vbenevolofranca Thanks for your participation! #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:45 |
Overslept, just joining #eltchat now, where are we at? |
| barbsaka |
12:45 |
@mmgrinberg so what is a *good* coursebook and how does it trap you? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:46 |
@cherrymp yes - no two teachers deliver in quite the same way #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:46 |
Teaching mostly 1:1 & small grp means I can address need/want easily so we just go with the flow #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:46 |
RT @harrisonmike: @mcneilmahon Welcome BTW =) #eltchat Thanks! What's the consensus so far? |
| Marisa_C |
12:46 |
@harrisonmike where can i find that plugin? I WANT IT!!!! #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:46 |
@mcneilmahon Welcome BTW =) #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
12:46 |
Late for #eltchat. I'll lurk mostly. |
| catsndogs |
12:46 |
#ELTchat when you watch someone doing this well, like scott t, well now that is a class you want to be part of |
| ELTExperiences |
12:47 |
I totally agree - RT @harrisonmike: @catsndogs When you feel it in class yourself, even if just for a #dogme moment, it's magic #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:47 |
dogme or no dogme Ts need 2 know wel where they're tkng their Ss - sounds tempting 2 use Ss exp - bt 4 wt is sth Ts need 2 think #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:47 |
@catsndogs When you feel it in class yourself, even if just for a #dogme moment, it's magic #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:47 |
RT @BobK99: Late for #eltchat. I'll lurk mostly.> Me too, but no lurking, dive straight in! |
| brad5patterson |
12:47 |
RT @Marisa_C |
| barbsaka |
12:47 |
@mcneilmahon yes. dogme works with beginners :) #eltchat |
| mgraffin |
12:48 |
RT @aClilToClimb: Directory of reflections on #RSCON3: http://bit.ly/oUTH1X Link yours in: http://bit.ly/qUDwFE #elt #edchat #eltchat #ukedchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:48 |
@barbsaka New English File is gd esp 4 low levels, I'm often lazy and don't re-think everything, and that's bad. Autopilot kills! #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:48 |
@Marisa_C Start Google Plus on Chrome - @robhaines put it out on his G+ profile to his circles #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:48 |
@Marisa_C even no lessons taught by the same Tr going to b d same #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
12:48 |
@rliberni with 1:1 compared to 1:20 I could see a dogme approach flowing much more easily, esp w/ beginners ! #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:48 |
RT @barbsaka: @mcneilmahon yes. dogme works with beginners :) #eltchat > I see no reason why not, although helps to have certain type of SS? |
| barbsaka |
12:49 |
@mmgrinberg There's no one right way. Sometimes autopilot is survival :) #eltchat |
| LukeMeddings |
12:49 |
@cherrymp Yes - Ts need to have a sense of the 'shape' of the lesson - especially if not using a coursebook template : ) #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:49 |
Good Q RT @mcneilmahon: [...] dogme works with beginners :) #eltchat I see no reason why not, although helps to have certain type of SS? |
| cherrymp |
12:49 |
@mcneilmahon @Marisa_C with Ts personality here comes Ss personality too #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:50 |
@barbsaka On the other hand, when I teach this way, It feels almost as if somebody else was teaching and I can observe and learn #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:50 |
@SarahHannah thanks for joining #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:50 |
RT @mcneilmahon: RT @cherrymp: with Ts personality here comes Ss personality too #eltchat > Think both need to believe in whichever method to make it work |
| rliberni |
12:50 |
@brad5patterson yes, we go for a walk, go to the shops, have lunch etc... it becomes more active and language is around us to use #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:50 |
@barbsaka @mmgrinberg 'survival' is the key word here ;) #eltchat |
| SarahHannah |
12:50 |
This my first #eltchat and can't wait to read transcript and get some more ideas. Got to run now. |
| mcneilmahon |
12:50 |
RT @cherrymp: with Ts personality here comes Ss personality too #eltchat > Think both need to believe in whichever method to make it work |
| mcneilmahon |
12:51 |
RT @mmgrinberg: When I teach this way, It feels almost as if somebody else was teaching and I can observe and learn #eltchat > Plz tell more |
| cherrymp |
12:51 |
@LukeMeddings yeah coz of not using coursebook template sme Ts can find it scary #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:51 |
@mcneilmahon yeah then we're adding one more thing - faith or belief in each other #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:52 |
@mcneilmahon I mean, when I go autopilot + New English File Elementary #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:52 |
Strange - sounds as if people are having out of vody experiences!!!!!! #ELTchat |
| cherrymp |
12:52 |
@rliberni @brad5patterson classrooms without borders - interesting #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
12:52 |
@brad5patterson @rliberni Depends on the foci. With 1T:20SS you get a lot more interlanguage to play with #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:52 |
@catsndogs why structure Dogme ELT? Just react to the sts and the environment spontaneously. #ELTChat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:52 |
Any ideas on using notebook as a coursebook in a dogme beginner class? #eltchat |
| catsndogs |
12:52 |
#ELTchat Luke, is there a good point for timing in the year to intro. dogme? |
| cherrymp |
12:53 |
via @barbsaka: @mmgrinberg notebook becoming coursebook #eltchat > wow |
| brad5patterson |
12:53 |
@SarahHannah thnx for stopping by #eltchat --- i'll be doing the resume, and hope it's a good one ! Cheers, b |
| barbsaka |
12:53 |
@mmgrinberg or if you're using a coursebook, they can use the notebook to create a supplement :) #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:53 |
@cherrymp #eltchat Hopefully if we believe in SS they'll believe in us? So if we believe in Dogme, the SS will go with it and results good |
| ELTExperiences |
12:53 |
@mmgrinberg what type of notebook? computer, paper, ipad? #ELTChat |
| barbsaka |
12:53 |
@mmgrinberg you can have students use the notebook to create their own coursebook #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:54 |
@cherrymp notebook as coursebook Not me that's @englishraven !! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:54 |
@brad5patterson who has offered to do summary (she said hopefully) #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:54 |
@catsndogs why structure Dogme ELT? Just react to the sts and the environment spontaneously. #ELTChat > But many SS want structure |
| BobK99 |
12:54 |
RT @brad5patterson: @Marisa_C so you're doing #ELTchat on G+ too ? sounds multi-task tempting ! BK: one layer's enoggh for me :) |
| mmgrinberg |
12:54 |
@Marisa_C Yes, and my second self is just about to spill a coffee #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:54 |
RT @barbsaka: @mmgrinberg you can have students use the notebook to create their own coursebook #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:55 |
@mmgrinberg saw it from @barbsaka reply to u #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
12:55 |
About 5 minutes left in #eltchat Summary thoughts re dogme with beginners? Tips for teachers starting on this road? |
| ELTExperiences |
12:55 |
@mcneilmahon @catsndogs but how can language teaching be structured if the acquisition of language is so unpredictable? #ELTChat |
| brad5patterson |
12:55 |
@harrisonmike @rliberni sure, though if I had a choice, dogme or not, I'd like to stay small with beginners #NOTalwaysAchoice #ELTchat |
| cherrymp |
12:55 |
@mcneilmahon bt it's not only Ss that we've 2 win on board rt? parents, admins, etc etc. ppl r impatient when they hear sth difft #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:55 |
@mmgrinberg te he he - sounds really funy #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:56 |
Summary for teaching begginers - react to opportunities, provide space for learners and allow 10 mins at end of class for Dogme #ELTChat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:56 |
Ntbk as coursebook http://goo.gl/vohIZ #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:56 |
@brad5patterson Ah So! ENjoy le weekend then and milles feuilles!!! #eltchat |
| LukeMeddings |
12:56 |
@mcneilmahon @cherrymp #eltchat Agree - T confidence, enthusiasm so infectious whatever the method - w dogme it's talkin' the talk ; ) |
| Marisa_C |
12:56 |
@BobK99 yes... or trying to.... not very efficient in either direction today :-) #ELTchat |
| brad5patterson |
12:56 |
@marisa_c yep. Happy to do the summary ! Need to have it done by tomorrow too as I'm off for the weekend ;-) #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:57 |
little but often #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:57 |
RT @ELTExperiences: Summary - react 2 opportunities, provide space 4 learners & allow 10 mins at end of class 4 Dogme #ELTChat |
| barbsaka |
12:57 |
@mmgrinberg Thanks for the link #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:57 |
@ELTExperiences At the beginning!! #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:57 |
@ELTExperiences #ELTChat Good question, although skills work at least can be, or the class itself, rather than content? |
| rliberni |
12:58 |
RT @mmgrinberg: The Road to Teaching Unplugged http://bit.ly/bOEGC4 #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:58 |
RT @LukeMeddings: Copy a coursebook syllabus, attach it in the (paper or digital) coursebook and use it as a reference point.. #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
12:58 |
keep an eye on own personality as wel as Ss #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:58 |
RT @LukeMeddings: Copy a coursebook syllabus, attach it in the (paper or digital) coursebook and use it as a reference point.. #eltchat |
| GilMattos |
12:58 |
RT @brad5patterson: @Marisa_C the industry has been textbook dominated for a long time--- takes time to change (especially when there's $ involved ;-) #eltchat |
| LukeMeddings |
12:58 |
Copy a coursebook syllabus, attach it in the (paper or digital) coursebook and use it as a reference point.. #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:58 |
@cherrymp #eltchat > Hopefully winning over students is half battle, with them on board, others will follow, but we do need 2 think of them |
| rliberni |
12:58 |
RT @cherrymp: RT @ELTExperiences: Summary - react 2 opportunities, provide space 4 learners & allow 10 mins at end of class 4 Dogme #ELTChat |
| mmgrinberg |
12:58 |
The Road to Teaching Unplugged http://bit.ly/bOEGC4 #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
12:59 |
RT @mmgrinberg: The Road to Teaching Unplugged http://bit.ly/bOEGC4 #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:59 |
@brad5patterson @harrisonmike yes and if you're out and about then there is a lot of language around #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:59 |
@LukeMeddings but keep it only as a reference for lessons though. Don't be too regimental to ensure that your lessons stick to it. #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
12:59 |
@LukeMeddings but cousebook syllabuses so often structural and not well written !!!! #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:59 |
@cherrymp #ELTChat > Not sure 10 mins at end of class is something Dogme settles for, is it not all or nothing? |
| mmgrinberg |
12:59 |
Flipcammed: An unplugged lesson with beginner level students http://bit.ly/abdiHF #eltchat |
| rliberni |
13:00 |
RT @Eng_Lang_Club: #eltchat how do you create dogma opportunities. |
| rliberni |
13:00 |
RT @cherrymp: @mcneilmahon to begin with rt? guess u'd missed the point of not shocking our Ss with full #dogme #eltchat |
| Eng_Lang_Club |
13:00 |
#eltchat how do you create dogma opportunities. |
| rliberni |
13:00 |
RT @mcneilmahon: @cherrymp #ELTChat > Not sure 10 mins at end of class is something Dogme settles for, is it not all or nothing? |
| cherrymp |
13:00 |
@mcneilmahon to begin with rt? guess u'd missed the point of not shocking our Ss with full #dogme #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
13:01 |
@LukeMeddings yes cos some of them really poor #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
13:01 |
RT @Eng_Lang_Club: #eltchat how do you create dogma opportunities. > the 1mil dollar question |
| LukeMeddings |
13:01 |
@Marisa_C So maybe just contents page! : ) key is not to follow the same order but show Ss we're 'uncovering' TM @thornburyscott #eltchat - |
| MarielbaChirino |
13:01 |
RT @ELTExperiences: Summary for teaching begginers - react to opportunities, provide space for learners and allow 10 mins at end of class for Dogme #ELTChat |
| mmgrinberg |
13:02 |
@Eng_Lang_Club First, you need silence, so that you can see what's going on. Then smthng will pop up, I bet #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
13:02 |
@Eng_Lang_Club aren't opps e'where - start with Ss - build around Ss - end n go beyond d cr - show how lang is e'where #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
13:02 |
Wow! What a great hour with all y'all on #eltchat Thanks co-mods @rliberni @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C and especially @LukeMeddings |
| rliberni |
13:02 |
OK got to go :- GapChat next - video now!! thank to gr8 modes @barbsaka @Marisa_C & thnks to @LukeMeddings as guest mod #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
13:02 |
@brad5patterson @rliberni Having lots of learners doesn't mean you have to address ALL the language that comes up immediately #eltchat |
| bamarcia |
13:02 |
RT @LukeMeddings: Copy a coursebook syllabus, attach it in the (paper or digital) coursebook and use it as a reference point.. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
13:02 |
@LukeMeddings Luke, would u say that a teacher can use a wide range of techniquest to implement dogme or only a limited set? #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
13:02 |
RT @Eng_Lang_Club: #eltchat how do you create dogma opportunities. > Don't look for them, let them come to you |
| brad5patterson |
13:02 |
Awesome #eltchat chat today. Thanks everyone and @Marisa_C @barbsaka @rliberni and @LukeMeddings aussi ! Enjoy the day all ;-) |
| JoHart |
13:02 |
#ELTchat - had student centred instilled through muy whole UKPGCE for Adult Ed |
| ELTExperiences |
13:02 |
@LukeMeddings @Marisa_C @thornburyscott keep the contents 2 self as a checklist to see what was covered then show sts at the end. #ELTChat |
| cherrymp |
13:03 |
Wow! What a great hour with all y'all on #eltchat Thanks mods @barbsaka @rliberni @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C and especially @LukeMeddings |
| mmgrinberg |
13:03 |
Thanks a lot @barbsaka @rliberni @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C and @LukeMeddings #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
13:03 |
RT @cherrymp: @mcneilmahon to begin with rt? guess u'd missed the point of not shocking our Ss with full #dogme #eltchat But is it a shock? |
| Bee_Kids |
13:03 |
RT @ELTExperiences: Are teachers more concerned about methods and approaches or more concerned about offering an environment conducive for learning. #ELTChat |
| mmgrinberg |
13:04 |
RT @harrisonmike: How abt creating ur own tick list of: text types, language functions, areas of grammar, graded 2 level and have students fill it in #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
13:04 |
RT @Marisa_C RT @Eng_Lang_Club: #eltchat how do you create dogma opportunities. > the 1mil dollar question >>> $$$ LOL |
| cherrymp |
13:04 |
@mcneilmahon yeah it'd be a shock esp wen ppl do not expect that - to break away from years of learning habits #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
13:04 |
RT @cherrymp: Wow! What a great hour with all y'all on #eltchat Thanks mods @barbsaka @rliberni @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C and especially @LukeMeddings |
| catsndogs |
13:04 |
#ELTchat perhaps there needs to be a formal? recap for the trad. Ss so they feel that there was something covered |
| LukeMeddings |
13:04 |
@Marisa_C @Eng_Lang_Club Creating dogme opportunities? I'll have to use my favourite quote TM @dingtonia 'Listen.Ask.' #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
13:04 |
How abt creating ur own tick list of: text types, language functions, areas of grammar, graded 2 level and have students fill it in #eltchat |
| bamarcia |
13:04 |
RT @mmgrinberg: The Road to Teaching Unplugged http://bit.ly/bOEGC4 via @englishraven #eltchat |
| JoHart |
13:04 |
Sorry for not responding much #ELTchat was in G+ hangout also & system siezed up |:) |
| harrisonmike |
13:05 |
@catsndogs Ask learners at the end of the session 'what did we do today?' Easy plenary #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
13:05 |
RT @WarwickLinguist: Warwick Uty Urgent ELT Vacancy 15th Aug-16 Sept Send CV 2 – N.Prentice@warwick.ac.uk #tefl #elt #efl #tesol #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
13:05 |
RT @LukeMeddings: @Marisa_C @Eng_Lang_Club Creating dogme opportunities? I'll have to use my favourite quote TM @dingtonia 'Listen.Ask.' #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
13:05 |
RT @LukeMeddings: my favourite quote TM @dingtonia 'Listen.Ask.' #eltchat Isn't that the root of all good teaching, not just dogme? |
| MarielbaChirino |
13:06 |
RT @ELTExperiences: Are teachers more concerned about methods and approaches or more concerned about offering an environment conducive for learning. #ELTChat |
| LukeMeddings |
13:06 |
Really enjoyable hour, thanks everyone esp mods @barbsaka @rliberni @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C for inviting me to participate : ) #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
13:06 |
@cherrymp sorry if repeating earlier stuff, but adult (false) beginners could be ripe for a new way to learn? #eltchat |
| Bee_Kids |
13:07 |
@ELTExperiences Just joined chat. Excellent question! A single method is restrictive, no matter how flexible. Oops forgot: #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
13:07 |
@LukeMeddings I must thank you for agreeing to help with moderating this chat it's been BRILLIANT!!!! #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
13:07 |
@catsndogs Surely all SS need recaps and all good teachers sell their lessons by showing progress and areas covered? #ELTchat |
| ELTExperiences |
13:08 |
@LukeMeddings @mcneilmahon but it is starting to focus more on an Interactional Approach to teaching #ELTChat |
| mcneilmahon |
13:08 |
@dingtonia 'Listen.Ask.' #eltchat We need to remember there are good and bad ways of listening and asking as well! And get SS to do both too |
| catsndogs |
13:08 |
#ELTchat thank you for a great time one and all |
| LukeMeddings |
13:08 |
@mcneilmahon I'm not sure it is - input-driven teaching, even models like test teach test are pretty different from 'listen, ask' #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
13:09 |
@mcneilmahon mm-bt depends on wich part of d world u r 2 - yrs of getting conditioned 2 1 way of learning cn b so hard 2 shake off. #eltchat |
| Bee_Kids |
13:09 |
If the environment is right, and communication equal, both students and teachers learn. Isn't this the ideal? #eltchat |
| TheHooked |
13:10 |
RT @barbsaka About 5 minutes left in #eltchat Summary thoughts re dogme with beginners? Tips for teachers starti... http://bit.ly/pxZ8pf |
| ELTExperiences |
13:10 |
@LukeMeddings @Marisa_C or locking us in. #ELTChat |
| LukeMeddings |
13:10 |
@Marisa_C : ) I love the way everyone's still chatting-it this was closing time in a bar they'd be collecting our glasses! #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
13:10 |
@cherrymp Agree that it can be, but if was unsuccessful b4, quick success at new way can be very powerful #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
13:11 |
@LukeMeddings Test teach test = listen to what SS know and don't know and then ask CCQs to clarify the new... #eltchat |
| Bee_Kids |
13:11 |
Oh dear I always seem to miss these chats and come in right at the end. Hopefully next time - lots of fun and lots to think about. #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
13:12 |
@LukeMeddings @Marisa_C Thanks for lettign me in for a quick shot before breakfast :) #eltchat |
| LukeMeddings |
13:13 |
@mcneilmahon Agreed and thought that while typing!But test-teach-test focus still on what they 'know' not what they want to say?... #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
13:14 |
@LukeMeddings #eltchat Not that I'm trying to shoehorn TTT into a Dogme framework :) |
| mcneilmahon |
13:14 |
@LukeMeddings #eltchat Yes, true, but then we can find ways of practising (2nd test) through what they want to say perhaps? |
| ELTExperiences |
13:15 |
@Bee_Kids Thank you. I was told on my CELTA that you have to develop rapport but how do you develop rapport and is it diff 2 Dogme. #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
13:17 |
@LukeMeddings Last round & I'm out! thanks again for sharing ideas and expertise - u have really made a difference to this #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
13:18 |
Thank you all for joining this #ELTchat and see you later tonight!! |
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