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Is dogme possible for beginners

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This is the transcript of the 12.00BST eltchat held on 03.08.2011 on Dogme and beginners

 

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LukeMeddings 12:00 RT @Shaunwilden: Are you ready to #eltchat -  Is dogme possible 4 beginners? > ready after untimely wifi drop!
Shaunwilden 12:00 The moderators for today's #eltchat are @Marisa_C, @rliberni, @barbsaka and me (but not for long). We also have @LukeMeddings as a guest
barbsaka 12:00 I am! RT @Shaunwilden: Are you ready to #eltchat -  Is dogme possible 4 beginners?
rliberni 12:00 RT @Shaunwilden: Are you ready to #eltchat -  Is dogme possible 4 beginners?
Shaunwilden 12:00 Are you ready to #eltchat -  Is dogme possible 4 beginners?
vbenevolofranca 12:01 RT @Shaunwilden: Are you ready to #eltchat -  Is dogme possible 4 beginners?
Shaunwilden 12:01 @LukeMeddings Aint that always the way, glad you got back in time :-) #eltchat
sandymillin 12:01 Woohoo - can actually join in with #eltchat for a bit! And teaching an Elementary class atm, so sth v. interesting for me :)
LukeMeddings 12:02 RT @sandymillin: Woohoo - can join in with #eltchat ! And teaching an Elementary class atm, so sth v. interesting for me :) > welcome !
harrisonmike 12:02 12.01 #eltchat GO! Dogme with (adult) beginner students = possible?
barbsaka 12:02 Who else teaches beginners besides @sandymilin and me? #ELTchat
harrisonmike 12:03 RT @rliberni: Welcome to #eltchat your mods today are @Shaunwilden  @barbsaka @LukeMeddings  and me :-) Pls ask if you need help
rliberni 12:03 RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat @barbsaka @sandymillin I teach full range, right from pre-literate to advanced. Some beginners don't have r + w skills in L1
rliberni 12:03 Welcome to #eltchat your mods today are @Shaunwilden  @barbsaka @LukeMeddings  and me :-) Pls ask if you need help
harrisonmike 12:03 #eltchat @barbsaka @sandymillin I teach full range, right from pre-literate to advanced. Some beginners don't have r + w skills in L1
barbsaka 12:04 OK, @LukeMeddings I suspect I know your answer....Is Dogme possible with adult beginners? #eltchat
sandymillin 12:04 RT @Shaunwilden: 12.00 BST #eltchat is "Is dogme possible with adult beginners?"
rliberni 12:05 RT @LukeMeddings: @harrisonmike But all beginners  have something to communicate - do you find that starting from there starts to generate language? #eltchat
rliberni 12:05 RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat My short answer is that I agree with @robhaines http://trunc.it/h0nu1 dogme w/beginners (esp. adults) is possible and GOOD
LukeMeddings 12:05 @harrisonmike But all beginners  have something to communicate - do you find that starting from there starts to generate language? #eltchat
rliberni 12:05 @barbsaka I did have a complete beginner last autumn interesting as it had ben a long time - we 'lived' the language! #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:05 #eltchat My short answer is that I agree with @robhaines http://trunc.it/h0nu1 dogme w/beginners (esp. adults) is possible and GOOD
brad5patterson 12:05 Howdy all !  Excited for today's #eltchat  Thanks for joining us @LukeMeddings
HerreraVeronica 12:05 RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat @barbsaka @sandymillin I teach full range, right from pre-literate to advanced. > id with me
barbsaka 12:06 @LukeMeddings How do we get that something to 'communicate' from students b4 they have language to communicate? Tips? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:06 Ok got to go enjoy the #eltchat and the hangout  - see you all (well most of you) at 21.00
harrisonmike 12:06 Should be a good one! RT @brad5patterson: Howdy all ! Excited for today's #eltchat Thanks for joining us @LukeMeddings
Marisa_C 12:06 Hello everyone and welcome to this #ELTchat
sandymillin 12:06 #eltchat What does the teacher need to be able to do to use Dogme with beginners?
mmgrinberg 12:07 Hi everybody! #eltchat
sandymillin 12:07 @barbsaka maybe you could use pictures. draw a picture of you in a situation, students name things. then do same #eltchat
LukeMeddings 12:07 @barbsaka well.. yes I 'would' say yes ; ) but I do say yes,because dogme starts with ocmmunicative need not language exponents #eltchat
rliberni 12:07 RT @barbsaka: @LukeMeddings How do we get that something to 'communicate' from students b4 they have language to communicate? Tips? #eltchat
barbsaka 12:07 @Shaunwilden See you! #eltchat
rliberni 12:07 RT @sandymillin: #eltchat What does the teacher need to be able to do to use Dogme with beginners? Good questions
harrisonmike 12:08 #eltchat I would say that key 4 working w/ an unplugged approach (with beginners) is making sure you acknowledge and access their interests
barbsaka 12:08 @mmgrinberg Welcome! #eltchat
barbsaka 12:08 @sandymillin Are you suggesting that I listen to students in the L1 and then tell them how to say the same thing in their L2? #eltchat
sandymillin 12:09 RT @rliberni: Are we a bit sluggish (twitter I mean Lol) or id it just me? #eltchat > was wondering the same thing!
sandymillin 12:09 @barbsaka No, I mean draw a picture to give starter language. They draw own picture, you help to make sentences. #eltchat
rliberni 12:09 RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat I would say that key 4 working w/ an unplugged approach (with beginners) is making sure you acknowledge and access their interests
rliberni 12:09 RT @barbsaka: @sandymillin Are you suggesting that I listen to students in the L1 and then tell them how to say the same thing in their L2? #eltchat
brad5patterson 12:09 RT @barbsaka: @LukeMeddings How do we get that something to 'communicate' from students b4 they have language to communicate? Tips? #eltchat
rliberni 12:09 Are we a bit sluggish (twitter I mean Lol) or id it just me? #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:10 Definitely RT @rliberni: @harrisonmike good point & if they are in an English speaking country their immediate needs for language #eltchat
rliberni 12:10 @brad5patterson it keeps happening - no idea which hat I'm wearing! #eltchat :-)
Marisa_C 12:10 moderators for today's #eltchat are @Marisa_C, @rliberni, @barbsaka . We also have @LukeMeddings as a guest moderator -
vbenevolofranca 12:10 I also think that adults in many cases are false beginners so starting from the learner can actually be a bit easier. #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:10 @englishraven has done a lot of terrific work with beginners. Are you with us today, Jason? #eltchat
LukeMeddings 12:10 @barbsaka it can start with gesture, the attempt to communicate - as @harrisonmike says - 'stoke it' : ) #eltchat
rliberni 12:10 @harrisonmike good point & if they are in an English speaking country their immediate needs for language #eltchat
brad5patterson 12:10 @mmgrinberg Hi Michael ;-)  First time catching u here #eltchat  Looking forward to today's chat.
englishraven 12:11 @mmgrinberg in spirit though unfortunately not in action - juggling too many full plates to count at the moment :-) #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:11 @englishraven has this fantastic lesson when he starts with a question mark on the board, elicits qns from ss who use mime #eltchat
LukeMeddings 12:11 @vbenevolofranca a very neat summary of an important distinction - there will be latent language with many adult false beginners #eltchat
aClilToClimb 12:11 RT @vbenevolofranca: I also think that adults in many cases are false beginners so starting from the learner can actually be a bit easier. #eltchat
rliberni 12:12 RT @LukeMeddings: @vbenevolofranca a very neat summary of an important distinction - there will be latent language with many adult false beginners #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:13 I think that one of the reasons dogme is gr8 4 beginners is that it helps to tell the true beginners from lower ele ss #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:13 RT @brad5patterson: @LukeMeddings do you have any juicy activity ideas for adult beginners ?  #eltchat  as @ba… (cont) http://deck.ly/~vlMhV
brad5patterson 12:13 @LukeMeddings do you have any juicy activity ideas for adult beginners ?  #eltchat  as @barbsaka said--> tips upon entering such a class ?
MarkWordSmith 12:13 #eltchat  Beginners is great for dogme. Might have to input more language than usual but the  language needs/desires are easily identifiable
mmgrinberg 12:13 @englishraven That's a shame, as I owe you sooo much, esp 4 the unplugged lessons 4 th beginners #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:14 #eltchat I saw a wonderful video @ #NATECLA in July, a woman teaching English 2 false beginner using a coke can&other props. Will try 2 find
mkofab 12:14 @rliberni  Lol! I understood that perfectly! Will let you get on with eltchat now. :-) #teethinformultitasking
englishraven 12:14 @mmgrinberg Very kind of you, Michael - hope those lessons are going well for you! #eltchat
aClilToClimb 12:14 ive 1 (false) beginner & he told me if I wr 2 teach him 'grammar', he probly wnt learn anything, but he's learning a lot... #ELTchat
LukeMeddings 12:15 dogme is a drawing out, not a putting in - I think this works at beginner level as a concept : ) #eltchat
happycatstefl 12:15 @harrisonmike @rliberni #eltchat Are you both teaching full time at the moment and do you blog? We'd like to hear about your experiences :)
tefljobslondon 12:15 @harrisonmike @rliberni #eltchat Are you both teaching full time at the moment and do you blog? We'd like to hear about your experiences :)
rliberni 12:15 RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat I saw a wonderful video @ #NATECLA in July, a woman teaching English 2 false beginner using a coke can&other props. Will try 2 find
mmgrinberg 12:15 So, even if you use a coursebook w yr beginner class, it's often worth spending 2-3 classes going dogme at first #eltchat
rliberni 12:15 Maybe just me I'm on a dongle (don't worry I'm having treatment :-)) so not firing on all cylinders Lol #eltchat
LukeMeddings 12:15 @brad5patterson as @vbenevolofranca blogged - look out for stuff - \notice / the new haircut,use mime not to model but to elicit #eltchat
rliberni 12:16 @LukeMeddings  so with complete beginners, say kids, how would this work? #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:16 @LukeMeddings I like that thought Luke - based on output not input which has been pre-determined  #eltchat
cherrymp 12:16 @LukeMeddings  even d very word 'education' has its etymological meaning as to 'draw out' #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:16 What's crucial, however, is to use their notebooks as coursebooks systematically thx @englishraven #eltchat
aClilToClimb 12:16 RT @LukeMeddings: dogme is a drawing out, not a putting in - I think this works at beginner level as a concept : ) #eltchat
rliberni 12:16 RT @LukeMeddings: dogme is a drawing out, not a putting in - I think this works at beginner level as a concept : ) #eltchat
vbenevolofranca 12:16 RT @LukeMeddings: dogme is a drawing out, not a putting in - I think this works at beginner level as a concept : ) #eltchat
rliberni 12:17 RT @mmgrinberg: What's crucial, however, is to use their notebooks as coursebooks systematically thx @englishraven #eltchat
rliberni 12:17 @LukeMeddings tho I expect kids are exposed to so much via TV & movies nowadays #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:17 @rliberni Let's separate beginners and kids, ok? #eltchat
brad5patterson 12:17 RT @Marisa_C: @LukeMeddings I like that thought Luke - based on output not input which has been pre-determined  #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:17 As we speak, one of my trainees is going to be experimenting with a dogme lesson for his DELTA experimental assignment #ELTchat
harrisonmike 12:17 Accessing the inner life RT @LukeMeddings: dogme is a drawing out,not a putting in -think this wrks @ beginnr levl as a concept : ) #eltchat
cherrymp 12:17 @mmgrinberg nice points u r making #eltchat
rliberni 12:17 RT @Marisa_C: @LukeMeddings I like that thought Luke - based on output not input which has been pre-determined  #eltchat
LukeMeddings 12:17 RT @cherrymp: @LukeMeddings  even d very word 'education' has its etymological meaning as to 'draw out' #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:18 @rliberni With complete beginners I think you can start w basic personal questions and objcts in th classroom #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:18 ...so is @teacher_prix tomorrow #ELTchat which suggests that dogme not yet mainstream
mmgrinberg 12:19 @harrisonmike These are teaching materials, aren't 'ey ?? )) #eltchat
BrunoLeys 12:19 @LukeMeddings Isn't that more or less also what Merrill Swain had been saying with the "Output-hypothesis"? #eltchat
MarkWordSmith 12:19 #eltchat Input doesn't have to be pre-determined though and can be used to link together output
harrisonmike 12:19 @rliberni @LukeMeddings Pics of their favourite singers/sports stars? Music, sound FX. Anything that access the brain w/out words #eltchat
cherrymp 12:19 does dogme work on the principle of aside language Ss have got wonderful ideas which can b utilised to teach them language? #eltchat
rliberni 12:20 @mmgrinberg but often the only real beginners are kid, no? #eltchat
vbenevolofranca 12:20 RT @Marisa_C: As we speak, one of my trainees is going to be experimenting with a dogme lesson for his DELTA experimental assignment #ELTchat
rliberni 12:20 RT @harrisonmike: @rliberni @LukeMeddings Pics of their favourite singers/sports stars? Music, sound FX. Anything that access the brain w/out words #eltchat
rliberni 12:21 @barbsaka OK I just mentioned in passing but point taken #eltchat
cherrymp 12:21 @rliberni @mmgrinberg seems we need to define 'beginners' in terms of lang prof as well as age n @barbsaka just ltd d def #eltchat
vbenevolofranca 12:21 @barbsaka Oops, yes, got carried away there, sorry. #eltchat
rliberni 12:21 RT @harrisonmike: @mmgrinberg Yep, but not from a 'course', from real life - tailor to your environment. Dogme is what you do with them #eltchat
barbsaka 12:21 @rliberni Think the topic was adult beginners, right? #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:21 If they are silent, I would show my passport, then draw it on the board w gaps, get them to ask #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:21 @mmgrinberg Yep, but not from a 'course', from real life - tailor to your environment. Dogme is what you do with them #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:22 @rliberni W kids, I would use a lot of games that don't really rely on language and then see where it goes #eltchat
MarkWordSmith 12:22 @mmgrinberg yes I think "board with gaps" plays a big part #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:22 @rliberni @mmgrinberg Often, but not always... ;o) #eltchat
LukeMeddings 12:22 RT @harrisonmike: [start w what] accesses the brain w/out words-this echoes @cherrymp thought about st ideas 'aside from language' #eltchat
cherrymp 12:23 so from no language to some language to whole language - is it how it works? #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:23 Great activity RT @mmgrinberg: If they are silent, I would show my passport, then draw it on the board w gaps, get them to ask #eltchat
LukeMeddings 12:24 @brad5patterson I think language grows quickly - the wordless stage won't last long #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:24 Actually I think that the real difference btwn dogme & other methods is that thr R NO lesson plans that always work - u LISTEN 1st #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:24 @brad5patterson @rliberni @LukeMeddings Recasting whatever the student produces to a more target like form. They point ... 1/2 #eltchat
rliberni 12:24 I teach mostly advanced now but have taught many real beginners (bef internet etc.) so really nothing at all lots of mime, realia, #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:25 RT @mmgrinberg: Actually I think that the real difference btwn dogme & other methods is that thr R NO lesson plans that always work - u LISTEN 1st #eltchat
barbsaka 12:25 @mmgrinberg I think all methods have that in common--nothing ever works all the time :) #eltchat
rliberni 12:25 @LukeMeddings last year about 3 days but it was an immersion course #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:25 @brad5patterson @rliberni @LukeMeddings 2/2... point at themself and say 'Mark', you model 'My name is Mark' go from there #eltchat
rliberni 12:25 RT @cherrymp: so from no language to some language to whole language - is it how it works? good descrip! #eltchat
rliberni 12:26 @harrisonmike  exactly - taught French to beginners too same type of thing yet whole lesson in French #eltchat
LukeMeddings 12:26 @harrisonmike Yes a very nice example: we don't need grammar to communicate,but it emerges from communicative need #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:26 RT @brad5patterson: #eltchat didn't catch it live, tho looking forward to the #RSCON3 recording of @sabridv experience w/ dogme n beginners http://ow.ly/5TXn4
Marisa_C 12:26 @brad5patterson I looked for that recording too but hasn't been put up yet  #eltchat #RSCON3
cherrymp 12:26 for #dogme to work teacher needs to be really patient ^_^ - no fastfood teaching would work here IMHO #eltchat
brad5patterson 12:26 #eltchat didn't catch it live, tho looking forward to the #RSCON3 recording of @sabridv experience w/ dogme n beginners http://ow.ly/5TXn4
sandymillin 12:27 Have to go as work beckons, but will leave you w/ this week's #infiniteeltideas prompt: http://wp.me/p1sbtu-2W #eltchat
brad5patterson 12:27 RT @LukeMeddings: @harrisonmike Yes a very nice example: we don't need grammar to communicate,but it emerges from communicative need #eltchat
rliberni 12:27 RT @mmgrinberg: @barbsaka Yes, but dogme is so much about spontaneous, reactive (vs scripted, proactive )teaching, am I wrong? #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:27 @barbsaka Yes, but dogme is so much about spontaneous, reactive (vs scripted, proactive )teaching, am I wrong? #eltchat
rliberni 12:28 RT @vbenevolofranca: Often use input/output metaphor. When use new metaphor, changes all:Anna Sfard´s "participation" metaphor: http://bit.ly/nAunmo #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:28 @LukeMeddings The qn is - how sure are we about the elements of lang that make up the basic English lang? Alws start w 'to be'? #eltchat
rliberni 12:28 RT @cherrymp: can Ts who're not sure abt their own lang proficiency embrace #dogme - i wonder!  Gr8 question #eltchat
vbenevolofranca 12:28 Often use input/output metaphor. When use new metaphor, changes all:Anna Sfard´s "participation" metaphor: http://bit.ly/nAunmo #eltchat
barbsaka 12:28 Very good question! RT @cherrymp: can Ts who're not sure abt their own lang proficiency embrace #dogme - i wonder! #eltchat
SarahHannah 12:28 My beginners were floundering so I went back to text book :-( Maybe I was floundering! Reading this chat with great interest! #eltchat
rliberni 12:28 @cherrymp yes patience but v beg/elementary can be great fun too #eltchat
cherrymp 12:28 can Ts who're not sure abt their own lang proficiency embrace #dogme - i wonder! #eltchat
barbsaka 12:28 @mmgrinberg I think that's a fair desription :) #eltchat
rliberni 12:29 @mmgrinberg  I would tend to start with what's around and what the learners need this may not be grammar #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:29 @rliberni Eejes I kan as nonnativ spiker :P #eltchat
LukeMeddings 12:29 RT @cherrymp 'for #dogme to work teacher needs to be really patient' > agreed - patient, encouraging, smiling - drawing out  #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:29 RT @barbsaka: Very good question! RT @cherrymp: can Ts who're not sure abt their own lang proficiency embrace #dogme - i wonder! #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:30 @cherrymp Not an answer but another interesting question - who owns the language? is proficiency relative? #eltchat
catsndogs 12:30 #eltchat note that in team teaching this may be ok with 1 T, the other completely at a loss. see that in japan with task based learning
barbsaka 12:30 @LukeMeddings Is there a connection between teacher language proficiency and success with dogme? #eltchat @cherrymp
Marisa_C 12:30 @LukeMeddings  #dogme #eltchat Patient, smiling, drawing out - aren'tt those qualities of good teachers a priori?
ELTExperiences 12:30 Sorry to be a little late with the #ELTChat but was with a hangout with @Marisa_C.  I have experience about teaching Beg. sts using DogmeELT
brad5patterson 12:31 RT @SarahHannah: My beginners were floundering so I went back to text book :-( Maybe I was floundering! Reading this chat with great interest! #eltchat
rliberni 12:31 @mmgrinberg if they'll pass out w/out it then yes! #eltchat
brad5patterson 12:31 RT @vbenevolofranca: Often use input/output metaphor. When use new metaphor, changes all:Anna Sfard´s "participation" metaphor: http://bit.ly/nAunmo #eltchat
aClilToClimb 12:31 #ELTchat draw em out, yeah, q & q & q. Take notes, n more notes. What you aren't sure, chk them at home n review next lesson
cherrymp 12:31 @rliberni there's also a qn of meeting Ss expectations there - esp in #India Ss s'how expect eng learning to begin w grammar #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:31 @rliberni If it's a hot day, start w 'Water?' #eltchat
LukeMeddings 12:31 @mmgrinberg Inclined to start with what helps sts say what they want to say, then @SarahHannah compare w (coursebook) syllabus #eltchat
cherrymp 12:32 @harrisonmike well who owns language - ab who can use language. bt how it's used comes into qn when i start using with others #eltchat
ELTExperiences 12:32 I have used very minimal resources to teach beginner students but have reacted to the student's lack of knowledge #eltchat
catsndogs 12:32 #ELTchat  how to get Ss to go along when they are used to T led lessons?
JoHart 12:32 @rliberni #ELTchat Yes - this is how I work to meet stdnt needs when they are in a topic of which I know little - send them to research etc
brad5patterson 12:32 @SarahHannah why were they having a hard time ?  What do you think could have helped ?  #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:32 @ Dogme Symposiam @AnthonyGaughan had a great metaphor abt only needing to b one step ahead of the learner re lang proficiency of T #eltchat
LukeMeddings 12:32 RT @Marisa_C: @LukeMeddings  #dogme #eltchat Patient, smiling, drawing out - aren'tt those qualities of good teachers a priori? > yep.. : )
mmgrinberg 12:32 @rliberni I'm talking about 'needs' #eltchat
cherrymp 12:33 RT @catsndogs: #ELTchat  how to get Ss to go along when they are used to T led lessons? > another good qn
rliberni 12:33 @mmgrinberg so am I ,we used to begin with coffee and tea with polite intonation on day 1 so they could order at the break! #eltchat
LukeMeddings 12:33 RT @harrisonmike: @ Dogme Symposiam @AnthonyGaughan had a great metaphor abt only needing to b one step ahead of the learner re lang proficiency of T #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:33 #eltchat How would you provide learners with constant support during spking activities (Vocabulary banks in New English File, Grammar bnks)?
MarkWordSmith 12:33 Language teachers are just sharing how they communicate in the target language so proficiency isn't so much the issue #eltchat
ELTExperiences 12:33 @catsndogs I suppose little and often sessions that are Dogme-esque (perhaps at the end of class) then incorporate more and more #ELTChat
barbsaka 12:33 Here at the halfway mark with #eltchat please start thinking about volunteering to do a summary about this discussion :)
Marisa_C 12:33 RT @JoHart: @rliberni #ELTchat Yes - this is how I work to meet stdnt needs when they are in a topic of whic… (cont) http://deck.ly/~OLFFv
rliberni 12:34 RT @brad5patterson: RE: @harrisonmike @cherrymp who owns the language? is proficiency relative? #eltchat >>> great  1min video:  http://ow.ly/5TXKE
vbenevolofranca 12:34 @cherrymp @rliberni Would say in Brazil same need for "explicit teacher role" . This 4 me greatest challenge 4 unplugged teaching #eltchat
catsndogs 12:34 #ELTchat  I think the T need be just a bit ahead, many Ss are great Ts for their peers in class at young levels
barbsaka 12:34 @catsndogs I keep a space open at the start of class for a "what's new?" segment, and pull out mini-lessons #ELTchat
brad5patterson 12:34 RE: @harrisonmike @cherrymp who owns the language? is proficiency relative? #eltchat >>> great  1min video:  http://ow.ly/5TXKE
Marisa_C 12:34 Am with @JoHart and @ELTExperiences  in a google+  hangout - come join us and chat with us   #ELTchat   http://bit.ly/n6fQV3
rliberni 12:34 RT @cherrymp: RT @catsndogs: #ELTchat  how to get Ss to go along when they are used to T led lessons? > another good qn
LukeMeddings 12:35 @Marisa_C @BrunoLeys but smiling and encouraging can turn to a grimace if we are overly focused on 'getting sts to do something' #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:35 RT @Marisa_C: Does anyoe have any thoughts why dogme not a mainstream method?  Is it Ts DOSes parents or publishers that oppose ? #ELTchat
rliberni 12:35 RT @BrunoLeys: I suppose the starting point can be very different. In Flanders almost all beginners are false beginners. Makes it easier.  #eltchat
BrunoLeys 12:35 I suppose the starting point can be very different. In Flanders almost all beginners are false beginners. Makes it easier.  #eltchat
brad5patterson 12:35 RT @catsndogs: #ELTchat  how to get Ss to go along when they are used to T led lessons?
cherrymp 12:35 @brad5patterson @harrisonmike thanks :) #eltchat
barbsaka 12:35 @catsndogs And sometimes the mini-lessons are so rich they become the main lesson for that day :) #ELTchat
LukeMeddings 12:35 RT @barbsaka: Here at the halfway mark with #eltchat please start thinking about volunteering to do a summary about this discussion :)
barbsaka 12:36 @brad5patterson Hugs and Kisses, Brad :) #ELTchat
rliberni 12:36 RT @catsndogs: #ELTchat  how about a balance of T led with unplug, a little at a time? seems fair
brad5patterson 12:36 @barbsaka I told @shaunwilden last week I'd be happy to do it--- love participating in #ELTchat and it's about my turn ! ;-)
barbsaka 12:36 Works in Asia :) RT @catsndogs: #ELTchat  how about a balance of T led with unplug, a little at a time? seems fair
catsndogs 12:36 #ELTchat  how about a balance of T led with unplug, a little at a time? seems fair
rliberni 12:36 @BrunoLeys I think there is a diff in approach and real beginners are fairly rare now #eltchat
cherrymp 12:36 @barbsaka @catsndogs very true - has exp it many times - mini lessons becoming main lesson #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:36 RT @brad5patterson: RE: @harrisonmike @cherrymp who owns the language? is proficiency relative? #eltchat gr8 1min video: http://ow.ly/5TXKE
rliberni 12:37 RT @JoHart: @rliberni #ELTchat Yes - this is how I work to meet stdnt needs when they are in a topic of which I know little - send them to research etc
JoHart 12:37 #ELTchat think teacher led may be very predominant in language but less so in other fields?
rliberni 12:37 @vbenevolofranca I think it depends on the activity but w/beginners I see less TT & more collab personally #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:37 @Marisa_C Because of perceived things about how we have to regulate ourselves for external bodies for standardisation- ofsted, etc. #eltchat
ELTExperiences 12:37 @catsndogs a little and often is more appropriate rather than deep-ending sts into a Dogme based lesson.  It might shock them. #ELTChat
Marisa_C 12:37 @LukeMeddings Do you find that certain methods suit certain types of teachers more than others by way of persona and teaching style #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:38 @brad5patterson i was hoping someone would bring up that sign :-)  #eltchat
rliberni 12:38 @JoHart  but should it be teacher led more teacher as model? #eltchat
cherrymp 12:38 @ELTExperiences @catsndogs n i'm sure teaching unplugged is never about shocking Ss bt activating them #eltchat
TammyVine 12:38 RT @cherrymp: RT @catsndogs: #ELTchat  how to get Ss to go along when they are used to T led lessons? > another good qn
brad5patterson 12:38 @Marisa_C the industry has been textbook dominated for a long time--- takes time to change (especially when there's $ involved ;-) #eltchat
ELTExperiences 12:38 @Marisa_C @LukeMeddings I think that some students expect the role of teachers depends upon sts educational experience. #ELTChat
LukeMeddings 12:38 @catsndogs Think interaction at beginner stage can still be T-led,it's about being responsive not (overly) directive #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:38 I wd get them 2 create sections in their copybks: 1 4 lexical sets as they pop up, 1 4 'uncovered' grammar, 1 4 txts / ongoing wk #eltchat
BrunoLeys 12:38 @LukeMeddings @Marisa_C We cannot force them, if that's what you mean. Ss should see a need, a want... if not, there's no Dogme #eltchat
rliberni 12:38 RT @JoHart: #ELTchat think teacher led may be very predominant in language but less so in other fields?
SarahHannah 12:38 @brad5patterson low self-confidence some on methadone think book has given them a crutch and makes them feel like 'real' students #eltchat
vbenevolofranca 12:39 @mmgrinberg Oh, absolutely! But cultural issues (always go on about this) actually affect way teachers, learners see things.#eltchat
ELTExperiences 12:39 @cherrymp @catsndogs unless sts have no previous experience of Dogme ELT. It would be a bit of a shock. #ELTChat
WarwickLanguage 12:39 #eltchat as an mfl teacher, i was nt aware of dogme, sure it can be useful for begs, but time constraints may be a factor to consider
JoHart 12:39 @Marisa_C Umm! #ELTchat - mainstream in some areas of adult ed as adult learning principles :)
cherrymp 12:39 @Marisa_C @brad5patterson lol #eltchat
rliberni 12:39 RT @LukeMeddings: @catsndogs Think interaction at beginner stage can still be T-led,it's about being responsive not (overly) directive #eltchat
cherrymp 12:40 @ELTExperiences @catsndogs  even many Ts around me r yet to hear abt #dogme - so can v well imagine abt Ss #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:40 The key positive role of coursebooks is to train newbie teachers. It's esp important at low levels: instructions, graded lang etc #eltchat
LukeMeddings 12:40 @Marisa_C re personality and methods-yes-no one size for Ts or Ss,was talking about this at the weekend : ) could be a great #eltchat no?
harrisonmike 12:40 @TammyVine @cherrymp @catsndogs goes bk 2 teachng tradition theyre brought up in. BUT shud they really expct th same when u weren't #eltchat
rliberni 12:40 RT @ELTExperiences: @cherrymp @catsndogs unless sts have no previous experience of Dogme ELT. It would be a bit of a shock. #ELTChat
cherrymp 12:41 @ELTExperiences @catsndogs 'little but often' approach to introducing Dogme ELT. #ELTChat > hear hear
BrunoLeys 12:41 @rliberni Rare, though not extinct. Especially outside the Western world. #eltchat
barbsaka 12:41 @mmgrinberg There are plenty of experienced teachers who also choose to use courseboks :) #eltchat
catsndogs 12:41 #ELTchat i find that here i japan, kids find it refreshing to have a lesson that values their input and is not from the 'book'
brad5patterson 12:41 @Marisa_C @cherrymp has anybody ever tweeted ABBA on #eltchat ?  http://t.co/3B6PuC9  ;-)
ELTExperiences 12:41 @cherrymp @catsndogs this is why sts (and teachers) need to apply a 'little but often' approach to introducing Dogme ELT. #ELTChat
Marisa_C 12:42 @LukeMeddings I think so -part of my job to help teachers find what suits them best -so no orthodoxy of one sort or another appeals #eltchat
cherrymp 12:42 RT @catsndogs: #ELTchat i find that hre i japan, kids find it refreshing 2 have a lesson that values their input & is not from the 'book' :)
LukeMeddings 12:42 @ELTExperiences @catsndogs As Freire said (sorry no quote) facilitator teacher is still responsible for what is happening in class #eltchat
ELTExperiences 12:42 Are teachers more concerned about methods and approaches or more concerned about offering an environment conducive for learning. #ELTChat
barbsaka 12:42 @mmgrinberg But experienced teachers make the coursebook work for their needs, rather than feeling trapped by it :) #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:43 @barbsaka I'm one year post CELTA, and yes I do sometimes feel trapped - esp by *good* coursebooks #eltchat
SarahHannah 12:43 RT @ELTExperiences: @Marisa_C @LukeMeddings I think that some students expect the role of teachers depends upon sts educational experience. #ELTChat
harrisonmike 12:43 @ELTExperiences Good question! #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:43 Difficult to juggle both #ELTchat nd google+ folks - but I'm learning!!!! hope my tweets have been making sense :-)
harrisonmike 12:43 RT @ELTExperiences: Are teachers more concerned about methods and approaches or more concerned about offering an environment conducive for learning. #ELTChat
ELTExperiences 12:43 RT @LukeMeddings: @ELTExperiences @catsndogs As Freire said (sorry no quote) facilitator teacher is still responsible for what is happening in class #eltchat
cherrymp 12:43 @Marisa_C @LukeMeddings teaching style n teacher's persona - good pt :) #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:44 @vbenevolofranca I wk in Russia, and it's the same thing here. And yet it's possible to train them 2 be more active / autonomous #eltchat
rliberni 12:44 RT @cherrymp: @ELTExperiences ideally it shud b learning at the forefront - bt many Ts are still caught up in method part #eltchat
vbenevolofranca 12:44 RT @ELTExperiences: Are teachers more concerned about methods and approaches or more concerned about offering an environment conducive for learning. #ELTChat
barbsaka 12:44 @mmgrinberg there's a curve, as in all things :) #eltchat
cherrymp 12:44 @ELTExperiences ideally it shud b learning at the forefront - bt many Ts are still caught up in method part #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:44 @Marisa_C You need a plugin to post straight to Twitter from G+ #eltchat
vbenevolofranca 12:44 Sorry, need to go now & leave #eltchat. Thanks to @Marisa_C @rliberni @barbsaka & @LukeMeddings for moderation.
rliberni 12:44 @BrunoLeys  true I had a complete beginner std from Colombia last year #eltchat
barbsaka 12:45 @mcneilmahon At the last 15 minutes of a very interesting #eltchat on dogme for beginners :)
harrisonmike 12:45 @mcneilmahon 15 mins left, is dogme possible with adult beginners #eltchat
brad5patterson 12:45 RT @mmgrinberg: @barbsaka I'm one year post CELTA, and yes I do sometimes feel trapped - esp by *good* coursebooks #eltchat
brad5patterson 12:45 @Marisa_C so you're doing #ELTchat on G+ too ? sounds multi-task tempting !
LukeMeddings 12:45 @brad5patterson looks like they have now, Brad : ) #eltchat tempted to find dogme-supporting Abba song but no time now!
barbsaka 12:45 @vbenevolofranca Thanks for your participation! #eltchat
mcneilmahon 12:45 Overslept, just joining #eltchat now, where are we at?
barbsaka 12:45 @mmgrinberg so what is a *good* coursebook and how does it trap you? #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:46 @cherrymp yes - no two teachers deliver in quite the same way  #eltchat
rliberni 12:46 Teaching mostly 1:1 & small grp means I can address need/want easily so we just go with the flow #eltchat
mcneilmahon 12:46 RT @harrisonmike: @mcneilmahon Welcome BTW =) #eltchat Thanks! What's the consensus so far?
Marisa_C 12:46 @harrisonmike where can i find that plugin? I WANT IT!!!! #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:46 @mcneilmahon Welcome BTW =) #eltchat
BobK99 12:46 Late for #eltchat. I'll lurk mostly.
catsndogs 12:46 #ELTchat when you watch someone doing this well, like scott t, well now that is a class you want to be part of
ELTExperiences 12:47 I totally agree - RT @harrisonmike: @catsndogs When you feel it in class yourself, even if just for a #dogme moment, it's magic #eltchat
cherrymp 12:47 dogme or no dogme Ts need 2 know wel where they're tkng their Ss - sounds tempting 2 use Ss exp - bt 4 wt is sth Ts need 2 think #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:47 @catsndogs When you feel it in class yourself, even if just for a #dogme moment, it's magic #eltchat
mcneilmahon 12:47 RT @BobK99: Late for #eltchat. I'll lurk mostly.> Me too, but no lurking, dive straight in!
brad5patterson 12:47 RT @Marisa_C
barbsaka 12:47 @mcneilmahon yes. dogme works with beginners :) #eltchat
mgraffin 12:48 RT @aClilToClimb: Directory of reflections on #RSCON3: http://bit.ly/oUTH1X Link yours in: http://bit.ly/qUDwFE #elt #edchat #eltchat #ukedchat
mmgrinberg 12:48 @barbsaka New English File is gd esp 4 low levels, I'm often lazy and don't re-think everything, and that's bad. Autopilot kills! #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:48 @Marisa_C Start Google Plus on Chrome - @robhaines put it out on his G+ profile to his circles #eltchat
cherrymp 12:48 @Marisa_C even no lessons taught by the same Tr going to b d same #eltchat
brad5patterson 12:48 @rliberni with 1:1 compared to 1:20 I could see a dogme approach flowing much more easily, esp w/ beginners ! #eltchat
mcneilmahon 12:48 RT @barbsaka: @mcneilmahon yes. dogme works with beginners :) #eltchat > I see no reason why not, although helps to have certain type of SS?
barbsaka 12:49 @mmgrinberg There's no one right way. Sometimes autopilot is survival :) #eltchat
LukeMeddings 12:49 @cherrymp Yes - Ts need to have a sense of the 'shape' of the lesson - especially if not using a coursebook template : ) #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:49 Good Q RT @mcneilmahon: [...] dogme works with beginners :) #eltchat I see no reason why not, although helps to have certain type of SS?
cherrymp 12:49 @mcneilmahon @Marisa_C with Ts personality here comes Ss personality too #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:50 @barbsaka On the other hand, when I teach this way, It feels almost as if somebody else was teaching and I can observe and learn #eltchat
cherrymp 12:50 @SarahHannah thanks for joining #eltchat
rliberni 12:50 RT @mcneilmahon: RT @cherrymp: with Ts personality here comes Ss personality too #eltchat > Think both need to believe in whichever method to make it work
rliberni 12:50 @brad5patterson yes, we go for a walk, go to the shops, have lunch etc... it becomes more active and language is around us to use #eltchat
cherrymp 12:50 @barbsaka @mmgrinberg 'survival' is the key word here ;) #eltchat
SarahHannah 12:50 This my first #eltchat and can't wait to read transcript and get some more ideas. Got to run now.
mcneilmahon 12:50 RT @cherrymp: with Ts personality here comes Ss personality too #eltchat > Think both need to believe in whichever method to make it work
mcneilmahon 12:51 RT @mmgrinberg: When I teach this way, It feels almost as if somebody else was teaching and I can observe and learn #eltchat > Plz tell more
cherrymp 12:51 @LukeMeddings yeah coz of not using coursebook template sme Ts can find it scary #eltchat
cherrymp 12:51 @mcneilmahon yeah then we're adding one more thing - faith or belief in each other #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:52 @mcneilmahon I mean, when I go autopilot + New English File Elementary #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:52 Strange - sounds as if people are having out of vody experiences!!!!!! #ELTchat
cherrymp 12:52 @rliberni @brad5patterson classrooms without borders - interesting #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:52 @brad5patterson @rliberni Depends on the foci. With 1T:20SS you get a lot more interlanguage to play with #eltchat
ELTExperiences 12:52 @catsndogs why structure Dogme ELT? Just react to the sts and the environment spontaneously. #ELTChat
mmgrinberg 12:52 Any ideas on using notebook as a coursebook in a dogme beginner class? #eltchat
catsndogs 12:52 #ELTchat Luke, is there a good point for timing in the year to intro. dogme?
cherrymp 12:53 via @barbsaka: @mmgrinberg notebook becoming coursebook #eltchat > wow
brad5patterson 12:53 @SarahHannah thnx for stopping by #eltchat --- i'll be doing the resume, and hope it's a good one !  Cheers, b
barbsaka 12:53 @mmgrinberg or if you're using a coursebook, they can use the notebook to create a supplement :) #eltchat
mcneilmahon 12:53 @cherrymp  #eltchat Hopefully if we believe in SS they'll believe in us? So if we believe in Dogme, the SS will go with it and results good
ELTExperiences 12:53 @mmgrinberg what type of notebook? computer, paper, ipad? #ELTChat
barbsaka 12:53 @mmgrinberg you can have students use the notebook to create their own coursebook #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:54 @cherrymp notebook as coursebook Not me that's @englishraven !! #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:54 @brad5patterson who has offered to do summary (she said hopefully)  #eltchat
mcneilmahon 12:54 @catsndogs why structure Dogme ELT? Just react to the sts and the environment spontaneously. #ELTChat > But many SS want structure
BobK99 12:54 RT @brad5patterson: @Marisa_C so you're doing #ELTchat on G+ too ? sounds multi-task tempting ! BK: one layer's enoggh for me :)
mmgrinberg 12:54 @Marisa_C Yes, and my second self is just about to spill a coffee #eltchat
rliberni 12:54 RT @barbsaka: @mmgrinberg you can have students use the notebook to create their own coursebook #eltchat
cherrymp 12:55 @mmgrinberg saw it from @barbsaka reply to u #eltchat
barbsaka 12:55 About 5 minutes left in #eltchat Summary thoughts re dogme with beginners? Tips for teachers starting on this road?
ELTExperiences 12:55 @mcneilmahon @catsndogs but how can language teaching be structured if the acquisition of language is so unpredictable? #ELTChat
brad5patterson 12:55 @harrisonmike @rliberni sure, though if I had a choice, dogme or not, I'd like to stay small with beginners #NOTalwaysAchoice #ELTchat
cherrymp 12:55 @mcneilmahon bt it's not only Ss that we've 2 win on board rt? parents, admins, etc etc. ppl r impatient when they hear sth difft #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:55 @mmgrinberg  te he he - sounds really funy  #eltchat
ELTExperiences 12:56 Summary for teaching begginers - react to opportunities, provide space for learners and allow 10 mins at end of class for Dogme #ELTChat
mmgrinberg 12:56 Ntbk as coursebook http://goo.gl/vohIZ #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:56 @brad5patterson Ah So! ENjoy le weekend then and milles feuilles!!!  #eltchat
LukeMeddings 12:56 @mcneilmahon @cherrymp #eltchat Agree - T confidence, enthusiasm so infectious whatever the method - w dogme it's talkin' the talk ; )
Marisa_C 12:56 @BobK99 yes... or trying to.... not very efficient in either direction today :-)  #ELTchat
brad5patterson 12:56 @marisa_c yep.  Happy to do the summary !  Need to have it done by tomorrow too as I'm off for the weekend ;-) #eltchat
cherrymp 12:57 little but often #eltchat
cherrymp 12:57 RT @ELTExperiences: Summary  - react 2 opportunities, provide space 4 learners & allow 10 mins at end of class 4 Dogme #ELTChat
barbsaka 12:57 @mmgrinberg Thanks for the link #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:57 @ELTExperiences At the beginning!! #eltchat
mcneilmahon 12:57 @ELTExperiences  #ELTChat Good question, although skills work at least can be, or the class itself, rather than content?
rliberni 12:58 RT @mmgrinberg: The Road to Teaching Unplugged http://bit.ly/bOEGC4  #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:58 RT @LukeMeddings: Copy a coursebook syllabus, attach it in the (paper or digital) coursebook and use it as a reference point.. #eltchat
cherrymp 12:58 keep an eye on own personality as wel as Ss #eltchat
rliberni 12:58 RT @LukeMeddings: Copy a coursebook syllabus, attach it in the (paper or digital) coursebook and use it as a reference point.. #eltchat
GilMattos 12:58 RT @brad5patterson: @Marisa_C the industry has been textbook dominated for a long time--- takes time to change (especially when there's $ involved ;-) #eltchat
LukeMeddings 12:58 Copy a coursebook syllabus, attach it in the (paper or digital) coursebook and use it as a reference point.. #eltchat
mcneilmahon 12:58 @cherrymp  #eltchat > Hopefully winning over students is half battle, with them on board, others will follow, but we do need 2 think of them
rliberni 12:58 RT @cherrymp: RT @ELTExperiences: Summary  - react 2 opportunities, provide space 4 learners & allow 10 mins at end of class 4 Dogme #ELTChat
mmgrinberg 12:58 The Road to Teaching Unplugged http://bit.ly/bOEGC4  #eltchat
brad5patterson 12:59 RT @mmgrinberg: The Road to Teaching Unplugged http://bit.ly/bOEGC4  #eltchat
rliberni 12:59 @brad5patterson @harrisonmike yes and if you're out and about then there is a lot of language around #eltchat
ELTExperiences 12:59 @LukeMeddings but keep it only as a reference for lessons though.  Don't be too regimental to ensure that your lessons stick to it. #ELTChat
Marisa_C 12:59 @LukeMeddings but cousebook syllabuses so often structural and not well written !!!!  #eltchat
mcneilmahon 12:59 @cherrymp  #ELTChat > Not sure 10 mins at end of class is something Dogme settles for, is it not all or nothing?
mmgrinberg 12:59 Flipcammed: An unplugged lesson with beginner level students http://bit.ly/abdiHF #eltchat
rliberni 13:00 RT @Eng_Lang_Club: #eltchat how do you create dogma opportunities.
rliberni 13:00 RT @cherrymp: @mcneilmahon to begin with rt? guess u'd missed the point of not shocking our Ss with full #dogme #eltchat
Eng_Lang_Club 13:00 #eltchat how do you create dogma opportunities.
rliberni 13:00 RT @mcneilmahon: @cherrymp  #ELTChat > Not sure 10 mins at end of class is something Dogme settles for, is it not all or nothing?
cherrymp 13:00 @mcneilmahon to begin with rt? guess u'd missed the point of not shocking our Ss with full #dogme #eltchat
Marisa_C 13:01 @LukeMeddings yes cos some of them really poor #eltchat
Marisa_C 13:01 RT @Eng_Lang_Club: #eltchat how do you create dogma opportunities. > the 1mil dollar question
LukeMeddings 13:01 @Marisa_C So maybe just contents page! : ) key is not to follow the same order but show Ss we're 'uncovering' TM @thornburyscott #eltchat -
MarielbaChirino 13:01 RT @ELTExperiences: Summary for teaching begginers - react to opportunities, provide space for learners and allow 10 mins at end of class for Dogme #ELTChat
mmgrinberg 13:02 @Eng_Lang_Club First, you need silence, so that you can see what's going on. Then smthng will pop up, I bet #eltchat
cherrymp 13:02 @Eng_Lang_Club aren't opps e'where - start with Ss - build around Ss - end n go beyond d cr - show how lang is e'where #eltchat
barbsaka 13:02 Wow! What a great hour with all y'all on #eltchat Thanks co-mods @rliberni @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C and especially @LukeMeddings
rliberni 13:02 OK got to go :- GapChat next - video now!! thank to gr8 modes @barbsaka  @Marisa_C  & thnks to @LukeMeddings  as guest mod #eltchat
harrisonmike 13:02 @brad5patterson @rliberni Having lots of learners doesn't mean you have to address ALL the language that comes up immediately #eltchat
bamarcia 13:02 RT @LukeMeddings: Copy a coursebook syllabus, attach it in the (paper or digital) coursebook and use it as a reference point.. #eltchat
Marisa_C 13:02 @LukeMeddings Luke, would u say that a teacher can use a wide range of techniquest to implement dogme or only a limited set? #eltchat
mcneilmahon 13:02 RT @Eng_Lang_Club: #eltchat how do you create dogma opportunities. > Don't look for them, let them come to you
brad5patterson 13:02 Awesome #eltchat chat today.  Thanks everyone and @Marisa_C @barbsaka @rliberni and @LukeMeddings aussi !  Enjoy the day all ;-)
JoHart 13:02 #ELTchat - had student centred instilled through muy whole UKPGCE for Adult Ed
ELTExperiences 13:02 @LukeMeddings @Marisa_C @thornburyscott keep the contents 2 self as a checklist to see what was covered then show sts at the end. #ELTChat
cherrymp 13:03 Wow! What a great hour with all y'all on #eltchat Thanks mods @barbsaka @rliberni @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C and especially @LukeMeddings
mmgrinberg 13:03 Thanks a lot @barbsaka @rliberni @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C and  @LukeMeddings #eltchat
mcneilmahon 13:03 RT @cherrymp: @mcneilmahon to begin with rt? guess u'd missed the point of not shocking our Ss with full #dogme #eltchat But is it a shock?
Bee_Kids 13:03 RT @ELTExperiences: Are teachers more concerned about methods and approaches or more concerned about offering an environment conducive for learning. #ELTChat
mmgrinberg 13:04 RT @harrisonmike: How abt creating ur own tick list of: text types, language functions, areas of grammar, graded 2 level and have students fill it in #eltchat
brad5patterson 13:04 RT @Marisa_C RT @Eng_Lang_Club: #eltchat how do you create dogma opportunities. > the 1mil dollar question >>> $$$ LOL
cherrymp 13:04 @mcneilmahon yeah it'd be a shock esp wen ppl do not expect that - to break away from years of learning habits #eltchat
harrisonmike 13:04 RT @cherrymp: Wow! What a great hour with all y'all on #eltchat Thanks mods @barbsaka @rliberni @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C and especially @LukeMeddings
catsndogs 13:04 #ELTchat perhaps there needs to be a formal? recap for the trad. Ss so they feel that there was something covered
LukeMeddings 13:04 @Marisa_C @Eng_Lang_Club Creating dogme opportunities? I'll have to use my favourite quote TM @dingtonia 'Listen.Ask.' #eltchat
harrisonmike 13:04 How abt creating ur own tick list of: text types, language functions, areas of grammar, graded 2 level and have students fill it in #eltchat
bamarcia 13:04 RT @mmgrinberg: The Road to Teaching Unplugged http://bit.ly/bOEGC4  via @englishraven #eltchat
JoHart 13:04 Sorry for not responding much #ELTchat  was in G+ hangout also & system siezed up |:)
harrisonmike 13:05 @catsndogs Ask learners at the end of the session 'what did we do today?' Easy plenary #eltchat
cherrymp 13:05 RT @WarwickLinguist: Warwick Uty Urgent ELT Vacancy 15th Aug-16 Sept Send CV 2 – N.Prentice@warwick.ac.uk #tefl #elt #efl #tesol #eltchat
mmgrinberg 13:05 RT @LukeMeddings: @Marisa_C @Eng_Lang_Club Creating dogme opportunities? I'll have to use my favourite quote TM @dingtonia 'Listen.Ask.' #eltchat
mcneilmahon 13:05 RT @LukeMeddings: my favourite quote TM @dingtonia 'Listen.Ask.' #eltchat Isn't that the root of all good teaching, not just dogme?
MarielbaChirino 13:06 RT @ELTExperiences: Are teachers more concerned about methods and approaches or more concerned about offering an environment conducive for learning. #ELTChat
LukeMeddings 13:06 Really enjoyable hour, thanks everyone esp mods @barbsaka @rliberni @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C for inviting me to participate : ) #eltchat
mcneilmahon 13:06 @cherrymp sorry if repeating earlier stuff, but adult (false) beginners could be ripe for a new way to learn? #eltchat
Bee_Kids 13:07 @ELTExperiences Just joined chat. Excellent question! A single method is restrictive, no matter how flexible. Oops forgot: #eltchat
Marisa_C 13:07 @LukeMeddings I must thank you for agreeing to help with moderating this chat it's been BRILLIANT!!!!  #eltchat
mcneilmahon 13:07 @catsndogs Surely all SS need recaps and all good teachers sell their lessons by showing progress and areas covered? #ELTchat
ELTExperiences 13:08 @LukeMeddings @mcneilmahon but it is starting to focus more on an Interactional Approach to teaching #ELTChat
mcneilmahon 13:08 @dingtonia 'Listen.Ask.' #eltchat We need to remember there are good and bad ways of listening and asking as well! And get SS to do both too
catsndogs 13:08 #ELTchat thank you for a great time one and all
LukeMeddings 13:08 @mcneilmahon I'm not sure it is - input-driven teaching, even models like test teach test are pretty different from 'listen, ask' #eltchat
cherrymp 13:09 @mcneilmahon mm-bt depends on wich part of d world u r 2 - yrs of getting conditioned 2 1 way of learning cn b so hard 2 shake off. #eltchat
Bee_Kids 13:09 If the environment is right, and communication equal, both students and teachers learn. Isn't this the ideal? #eltchat
TheHooked 13:10 RT @barbsaka About 5 minutes left in #eltchat Summary thoughts re dogme with beginners? Tips for teachers starti... http://bit.ly/pxZ8pf
ELTExperiences 13:10 @LukeMeddings @Marisa_C or locking us in. #ELTChat
LukeMeddings 13:10 @Marisa_C : ) I love the way everyone's still chatting-it this was closing time in a bar they'd be collecting our glasses! #eltchat
mcneilmahon 13:10 @cherrymp Agree that it can be, but if was unsuccessful b4, quick success at new way can be very powerful #eltchat
mcneilmahon 13:11 @LukeMeddings Test teach test = listen to what SS know and don't know and then ask CCQs to clarify the new... #eltchat
Bee_Kids 13:11 Oh dear I always seem to miss these chats and come in right at the end. Hopefully next time - lots of fun and lots to think about. #eltchat
mcneilmahon 13:12 @LukeMeddings  @Marisa_C  Thanks for lettign me in for a quick shot before breakfast :)  #eltchat
LukeMeddings 13:13 @mcneilmahon Agreed and thought that while typing!But test-teach-test focus still on what they 'know' not what they want to say?... #eltchat
mcneilmahon 13:14 @LukeMeddings  #eltchat Not that I'm trying to shoehorn TTT into a Dogme framework :)
mcneilmahon 13:14 @LukeMeddings  #eltchat Yes, true, but then we can find ways of practising (2nd test) through what they want to say perhaps?
ELTExperiences 13:15 @Bee_Kids Thank you. I was told on my CELTA that you have to develop rapport but how do you develop rapport and is it diff 2 Dogme. #ELTChat
Marisa_C 13:17 @LukeMeddings Last round & I'm out! thanks  again for sharing ideas and expertise - u have really made a difference to this #ELTchat
Marisa_C 13:18 Thank you all for joining this #ELTchat and see you later tonight!!

 

 

 

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