| username |
time |
status |
| Marisa_C |
11:01 |
RT @Shaunwilden: Time for #ELTchat Career TEFLers vs Tourist TEFLers. |
| Shaunwilden |
11:01 |
Time for #ELTchat Career TEFLers vs Tourist TEFLers. |
| Senicko |
11:01 |
#ELTchat here. |
| mcneilmahon |
11:01 |
#eltchat Career Teflers are those of us who teach English as our careers - long term, CPD, dare I say professionally? |
| Marisa_C |
11:02 |
RT @SueAnnan: Not all people who do a short course use it just for backpacking #ELTchat |
| Senicko |
11:02 |
@SueAnnan Where I work they won't accept a short course #ELTchat |
| bnleez |
11:02 |
My G+ home...gplus.to/bnleez #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
11:02 |
Not all people who do a short course use it just for backpacking #ELTchat |
| Zwrzi |
11:02 |
RT @Shaunwilden: Time for #ELTchat Career TEFLers vs Tourist TEFLers. |
| mcneilmahon |
11:02 |
#eltchat Tourist Teflers come into the industry for a year or two and want to see the world rather than teach English |
| Senicko |
11:03 |
@SueAnnan Yes, but they should invest the time and take the DipTESOL or DELTA. IMO #ELTchat |
| KarenInGreece |
11:03 |
Made it to #ELTchat What's the topic please? |
| Marisa_C |
11:03 |
RT @SueAnnan: @Senicko but they have to start somewhere #ELTchat |
| alastairjgrant |
11:03 |
RT @mcneilmahon: #eltchat Tourist Teflers come into the industry for a year or two - I think we don't take ourselves seriously enough |
| SueAnnan |
11:03 |
@Senicko but they have to start somewhere #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:03 |
@mcneilmahon But then again how many know they want to make a career of it - i started by accident , best accident ever mind #ELTchat |
| mcneilmahon |
11:03 |
#eltchat As a DoS, trying to convert TouristTeflers to CareerTeflers was my most rewarding challenge + they bring fresh air and new ideas |
| Senicko |
11:04 |
@SueAnnan Sure they can, I did.. DipTESOL straight away. #ELTchat |
| lu_bodeman |
11:04 |
I thought #eltchat was at 9PM Brazil time, it is now 5:04. Confused. |
| Zwrzi |
11:04 |
@Shaunwilden Exactly! Most of them are just trying to made ends meet, probably. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:04 |
@BrunoELT @KarenInGreece Career TEFLers vs Tourist TEFLers. #ELTchat |
| bnleez |
11:04 |
How do institutions filter out tourist teflers who are more interested in taking tours than teaching? #eltchat |
| alastairjgrant |
11:04 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @alastairjgrant But isnt that the fault of the schools not the teachers? #ELTchat -absolutely! needs to be more professionl |
| Marisa_C |
11:04 |
I declared earlier that I came into ELT almost like a tourist mydelf - had a great DOS who inspired me #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
11:04 |
@Senicko they can'tdo that until they have a couple of years under their belt #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:04 |
@alastairjgrant But isnt that the fault of the schools not the teachers? #ELTchat |
| mcneilmahon |
11:04 |
#eltchat As a CELTA trainer, I enjoy writing more positive reports for those who appear to be genuine CareerTeflers |
| mcneilmahon |
11:04 |
#eltchat As a CELTA trainer, I enjoy writing more positive reports for those who appear to be genuine CareerTeflers |
| alastairjgrant |
11:05 |
TEFLers need to be made proud of their profession - given proper training and nutured - shown what a diff they make to ppls lives #eltchat |
| jobethsteel |
11:05 |
Hello. Me too. Great, small, inspiring, young team.#ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
11:05 |
@Senicko what did you study before? #ELTchat |
| Senicko |
11:05 |
@lu_bodeman I think BT is British Time? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:05 |
@alastairjgrant I dont disagree but then again schools dont make that much money #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
11:05 |
@Shaunwilden @mcneilmahon Me too. A very happy accident. #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
11:06 |
I came into ELT by accident in some way. I moved to Korea with no idea on employment and EFL found me in a way. How about others? #ELTchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:06 |
Hi all #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
11:06 |
RT @Zwrzi: @alastairjgrant Is there proper training, tho? Peapole w/ MAs still need to take a CELTA. #eltchat |
| Zwrzi |
11:06 |
@alastairjgrant Is there proper training, tho? Peapole w/ MAs still need to take a CELTA. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:06 |
RT @ddeubel: #eltchat I'm confused? What is a career teacher? Nowadays, we have 3,4,5, 10 careers! |
| SueAnnan |
11:06 |
RT @ddeubel: #eltchat I'm confused? What is a career teacher? Nowadays, we have 3,4,5, 10 careers! |
| Shaunwilden |
11:06 |
@Senicko @lu_bodeman ~Yes it is :-) #ELTchat |
| ddeubel |
11:06 |
#eltchat I'm confused? What is a career teacher? Nowadays, we have 3,4,5, 10 careers! |
| Senicko |
11:06 |
@SueAnnan I was in Logistics, I changed careers after 23 years. #ELTchat |
| CCK11Feeds |
11:06 |
RT @CCK11Feeds: Great blog, check it out! What if Doctors Were Treated Like Teachers? #CCK11 #ELTchat #edchat #u... http://bit.ly/nSBrHo |
| CCK11Feeds |
11:06 |
RT @IreneAlcamo: What if Doctors Were Treated Like Teachers?http://t.co/paktcJc: #CCK11 #ELTchat #edchat #ukedc... http://bit.ly/peVCv3 |
| CCK11Feeds |
11:06 |
RT @CCK11Feeds: Great blog, check it out! What if Doctors Were Treated Like Teachers? #CCK11 #ELTchat #edchat #u... http://bit.ly/pw1NiP |
| CCK11Feeds |
11:06 |
RT @CCK11Feeds: Great blog, check it out! What if Doctors Were Treated Like Teachers? #CCK11 #ELTchat #edchat #u... http://bit.ly/pqazUE |
| Zwrzi |
11:07 |
@ELTExperiences It's found you, because u've open your eyes and were willing to learn. Others don't care much. #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
11:07 |
@alastairjgrant I absolutely agree #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
11:07 |
@Senicko That's a big commitment if you're not expecting to do it for more than a few years. #eltchat |
| alastairjgrant |
11:07 |
@SueAnnan - I mean on the job prof development too #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:07 |
@Zwrzi @alastairjgrant A lot fo MAs don't have teaching practice in it though #ELTchat |
| KarenInGreece |
11:07 |
@Shaunwilden @BrunoELT Thanks! I'm currently DOS-ing in a summer school and I'm finding the divide between the two quite huge! #ELTchat |
| Senicko |
11:08 |
@theteacherjames Agree, in my case I had no choice. I retired from my job and moved to Spain. Spanish wife and couldn't find work #eltchat |
| bnleez |
11:08 |
Is a t-tefler less desirable than a c-tefler? #eltchat |
| ddeubel |
11:08 |
If any one wants to read - my retort to put downs of backpacking teachers. http://bit.ly/oy84rg #eltchat |
| alastairjgrant |
11:08 |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat - not just MAs... am talking Delta and CAM too etc etc |
| Zwrzi |
11:09 |
@alastairjgrant Shouldn't old teachers with no desire see to teach anymore see that, too? #ELTChat |
| Fuertesun |
11:09 |
RT @BrunoELT: #eltchat don't think tourist teflers are worse than us.. They bring new and fresh ideas and perhaps end up being career TEFLers |
| Shaunwilden |
11:09 |
@Fuertesun Oo I reckon you just about qualify ;-) #ELTchat |
| ddeubel |
11:09 |
I think it is how good you do the job. Period. Stuff the qualifications, brown nosing etc... #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:09 |
@alastairjgrant Well delta does - well delta 2 the issue is that some schools dont realise only D2 has TP :-) #ELTchat |
| Senicko |
11:09 |
@theteacherjames Have been teaching 6 years now. #eltchat |
| alastairjgrant |
11:09 |
#ELTChat - we make a diff to ppls lives - we change lives like ALL teachers do - new Ts need to see this - we need to help them do so |
| Fuertesun |
11:09 |
I'm thinking about applying for an MA, got dip been teaching 14 years.Am I a career TEFLer? #eltchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:10 |
RT @Marisa_C: I think the distinction btwn tourist TEFLers is not really relevant - many 'career Teflers" who are untrained & indifferent #ELTchat |
| bnleez |
11:10 |
Is TEFL training necessary? http://bit.ly/p9NNGm #eltchat |
| Senicko |
11:10 |
@Senicko They should find other work if they don't want to teach #eltchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:10 |
RT @ELTExperiences: ELT does have an unfounded reputation as backpackers job but guess this I partly related to vast work opportunities abroad. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:10 |
I think the distinction btwn tourist TEFLers is not really relevant - many 'career Teflers" who are untrained & indifferent #ELTchat |
| ddeubel |
11:10 |
RT @BrunoELT: #eltchat don't think tourist teflers are worse than us.. They bring new and fresh ideas and perhaps end up being career TEFLers |
| Fuertesun |
11:10 |
@Shaunwilden Ha, ha thanks god for that or not?! #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:10 |
RT @BrunoELT: #eltchat don't think tourist teflers are worse than us.. They bring new and fresh ideas and perhaps end up being career TEFLers |
| ELTExperiences |
11:10 |
ELT does have an unfounded reputation as backpackers job but guess this I partly related to vast work opportunities abroad. #ELTchat |
| Zwrzi |
11:10 |
RT @BrunoELT: #eltchat don't think tourist teflers are worse than us.. They bring new and fresh ideas and perhaps end up being career TEFLers |
| alastairjgrant |
11:10 |
@Shaunwilden - ok they need to wise up!! #ELTChat |
| Senicko |
11:10 |
@BrunoELT Agree #eltchat |
| vickyloras |
11:11 |
RT @theteacherjames: Backpackers are fine as long as they take their job and it's responsibilties seriously. It's when they don't that I have a problem #eltchat |
| web2literacy |
11:11 |
RT @ENGLISH4EVERYON: @web2literacy english tweet going down a treat in BC Somasaguas #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:11 |
RT @Marisa_C: TEFL training a must #ELTchat Agreed though I did do it for five years without any :-) |
| bnleez |
11:11 |
Can you have the ability to teach English with no training? http://bit.ly/p9NNGm #eltchat |
| Zwrzi |
11:11 |
@bnleez Definitely. #eltchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:11 |
RT @Marisa_C: TEFL training a must #ELTchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:11 |
RT @theteacherjames: Backpackers are fine as long as they take their job and it's responsibilties seriously. It's when they don't that I have a problem #eltchat |
| ddeubel |
11:11 |
I think we should go after many academics in our field who have absolutely no classroom exp. or ed. qualifications. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
11:11 |
RT @bnleez: Is TEFL training necessary? http://bit.ly/p9NNGm #eltchat It certainly helps! |
| Marisa_C |
11:11 |
TEFL training a must #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
11:11 |
Backpackers are fine as long as they take their job and it's responsibilties seriously. It's when they don't that I have a problem #eltchat |
| alastairjgrant |
11:11 |
@Senicko - yes! Am thinking the younger / newer are more likely to be backpacky type - my bad! #eltchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:12 |
@Shaunwilden I think what's important is showing enthusiasm and interest and demonstrating a desire to be a good teacher. #ELTchat |
| Senicko |
11:12 |
@Zwrzi That you start to learn after a few years under your belt #eltchat |
| bnleez |
11:12 |
If training is a must, was Nunan's point just that? http://bit.ly/p9NNGm #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
11:12 |
@Senicko I beat you by a couple of years and still love my job with all its challenges #eltchat |
| ddeubel |
11:12 |
Let's not forget. A teacher can be informally trained just like students can learn outside of school informally. #eltchat |
| alastairjgrant |
11:12 |
@Senicko - good for you - spread it!!! #eltchat |
| Zwrzi |
11:12 |
@bnleez Every one w/ English knowledge can. But behind teaching English there's a whole world of methodology and pedagogy. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:12 |
@Shaunwilden I did it for one year and feel pretty upset when I think how I was teaching without it #ELTchat |
| vickyloras |
11:12 |
RT @Marisa_C: I think the distinction btwn tourist TEFLers is not really relevant - many 'career Teflers" who are untrained & indifferent #ELTchat |
| Senicko |
11:12 |
@alastairjgrant I'm 46 and love what I'm doing now #eltchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:12 |
@BrunoELT a tour through elt I like that! #eltchat |
| ddeubel |
11:12 |
RT @Marisa_C: I think the distinction btwn tourist TEFLers is not really relevant - many 'career Teflers" who are untrained & indifferent #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:13 |
@Shaunwilden It was a good boss that put me on to my first TEFL course - v grateful to her #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
11:13 |
@Senicko it's preferable if they can do that kind of training, but not always realistic. I started with nothing, & I'm okay! #eltchat |
| ddeubel |
11:13 |
@bnleez I think it is better to have no training the first few years. Disposition, attitude count more. #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
11:13 |
I guess the distinction between tourist teachers and ELT professionals is PD. Those that take their teaching seriously do PD. #ELTchat |
| alastairjgrant |
11:13 |
@Marisa_C - which needs transferring! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:13 |
RT @web2literacy: #eltchat started out as ELT tourist and then loved it and made it my career |
| Zwrzi |
11:13 |
@Senicko U begin with the theory at training and practice is what makes it important w/ the years. #eltchat |
| web2literacy |
11:13 |
#eltchat started out as ELT tourist and then loved it and made it my career |
| Fuertesun |
11:13 |
@Marisa_C I felt like that post Dip... what was I doing for 9 years??? #ELTchat |
| barbarabujtas |
11:13 |
RT @ddeubel: Lets not forget. A teacher can be informally trained just like students can learn outside of school informally. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:13 |
@Marisa_C Yes me too though I did find I was a good self learner and a good boss that helped me #ELTchat |
| vickyloras |
11:13 |
RT @SueAnnan RT @bnleez: Is TEFL training necessary? http://bit.ly/p9NNGm #eltchat It certainly helps! //Agree,Ts can always learn sth |
| Marisa_C |
11:13 |
RT @Senicko: @alastairjgrant I'm 46 and love what I'm doing now #eltchat > Passion speaking :-) |
| jobethsteel |
11:14 |
Lots of schools require a qualification as students expect it and are promised it. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:14 |
@ELTExperiences That's a good point though at my school we forced all teachers to do it :-) #ELTchat |
| ddeubel |
11:14 |
RT @bnleez: Makes me think of the debate in whether teachers can be taught or if it's more innate... #eltchat |
| Zwrzi |
11:14 |
@barbarabujtas But there's sooo much out there. No training might be misleading. #eltchat |
| Senicko |
11:14 |
@theteacherjames some are and some aren't #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
11:14 |
RT @Marisa_C: I think the distinction btwn tourist TEFLers is not really relevant - many 'career Teflers" who are untrained & indifferent #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
11:14 |
@Fuertesun I think it amonts to more than that #ELTchat |
| Senicko |
11:14 |
@Zwrzi my 1st couple of years I was just trying to keep my head above water #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
11:14 |
#eltchat Hi all just popping in briefly |
| bnleez |
11:14 |
Makes me think of the debate in whether teachers can be taught or if it's more innate... #eltchat |
| Books4English |
11:14 |
There are currently many challenges faced by the #ELT industry. What are your biggest obstacles this year? #ELTChat |
| Fuertesun |
11:15 |
@Fuertesun some of them are more than adequate #ELTchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:15 |
@SueAnnan I know adequate teachers who are untrained... many of them here where I live... #ELTchat |
| Zwrzi |
11:15 |
@jobethsteel And most importantly, Ss; PARENTS expect it. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:15 |
BTW welcome to all new to #ELTchat this evening @Shaunwilden and myself moderating this chat - talk to us if u need help |
| bnleez |
11:15 |
RT @ddeubel: I think it is better to have no training the first few years. Disposition, attitude count more. #eltchat. Anyone else agree? |
| Senicko |
11:15 |
@jobethsteel UΒΏI think it shows professionalism and commitment to your Ss #eltchat |
| alastairjgrant |
11:15 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @ELTExperiences That's a good point though at my school we forced all teachers to do it :-) #ELTchat - damn right too :) |
| alastairjgrant |
11:16 |
RT @barbarabujtas: lots of trainee t's don't even know what they wanna do (non-tefl-tourists) #eltchat - me either till CAM!! |
| ELTExperiences |
11:16 |
@Zwrzi @jobethsteel would rather be taught by a professional or someone that has limited experience? #ELTchat |
| Zwrzi |
11:16 |
RT @Marisa_C: @Fuertesun @Shaunwilden Sure one can learn on the job esp in a gd school - but TEFL training a HUGE shortcut - why wait? #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:16 |
@Fuertesun Isn't that cos teaching is innate not simply something that can be taught :-) #ELTchat |
| barbarabujtas |
11:16 |
lots of trainee t's don't even know what they wanna do (non-tefl-tourists) #eltchat |
| Zwrzi |
11:16 |
@Fuertesun Teaching can also be a gift. But are you going to risk it? I wouldn't trust a teacher w/ no training for my kids. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:16 |
@Fuertesun @Shaunwilden Sure one can learn on the job esp in a gd school - but TEFL training a HUGE shortcut - why wait? #ELTchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:16 |
RT @jobethsteel: Lots of schools require a qualification as students expect it and are promised it. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
11:16 |
@Fuertesun but do yu want adequate? #ELTchat |
| ddeubel |
11:16 |
I too often find too big an "accreditation hen pecking" creeping into our profession. I want to keep that out. #eltchat |
| vickyloras |
11:16 |
@theteacherjames That can happen too!I agree James.Sb can start w/o formal training and learn in practice or w/help of others #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
11:16 |
RT @aClilToClimb: @Imadruid answers his critics! Or are they his admirers? ;) Find out! http://bit.ly/pr4eeF #ELTChat #dogme #education #edchat #ukedchat |
| AnthonyGaughan |
11:17 |
@Shaunwilden Are you positing a TAD - Teaching Acquisition Device?! "Teaching is innate" my foot! ;-) #ELTchat |
| Senicko |
11:17 |
RT @ELTExperiences: @Zwrzi @jobethsteel would rather be taught by a professional or someone that has limited experience? #ELTchat |
| Zwrzi |
11:17 |
@ELTExperiences Tough one! #ELTchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:17 |
@Shaunwilden Don't get me on that one... I got into strife with a certain moderator about natural born teachers!!!! #ELTchat |
| Senicko |
11:17 |
@ELTExperiences Very true #ELTchat |
| vickyloras |
11:18 |
RT @Marisa_C: @Fuertesun @Shaunwilden Sure one can learn on the job esp in a gd school - but TEFL training a HUGE shortcut - why wait? #ELTchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:18 |
@Shaunwilden You trouble maker you! #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:18 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @AnthonyGaughan Surely you must agree that good teaching emerges :-)#ELTchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:18 |
@BrunoELT YES that's a real problem here where I am everyone is an English teacher YEAH!!! #eltchat |
| vickyloras |
11:18 |
RT @BrunoELT: #eltchat t biggest issue I see is that ppl think that just having command of E is enough 2teach. I know numbers but'd never b an economist |
| mcneilmahon |
11:18 |
@BrunoELT I don't, but I enjoy the keenies who are already clearly bitten by the bug #eltchat |
| Senicko |
11:18 |
@SueAnnan Some people can teach and some can't period! #ELTchat |
| ELTExperiences |
11:18 |
RT @AnthonyGaughan: @Shaunwilden Are you positing a TAD - Teaching Acquisition Device?! "Teaching is innate" my foot! ;-) #ELTchat |
| bnleez |
11:18 |
@ELTExperiences: Define "professional". #ELTchat |
| alastairjgrant |
11:18 |
RT @AnthonyGaughan: @Shaunwilden Are you positing a TAD - Teaching Acquisition Device?! "Teaching is innate" my foot! ;-) #ELTchat - LOL |
| Shaunwilden |
11:18 |
@Fuertesun I was trying to cause some argument :-) #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
11:18 |
RT @AnthonyGaughan: @Shaunwilden Are you positing a TAD - Teaching Acquisition Device?! "Teaching is innate" my foot! ;-) #ELTchat |
| Senicko |
11:19 |
@SueAnnan or a degree #ELTchat |
| Zwrzi |
11:19 |
@Fuertesun There are! #ELTchat |
| mcneilmahon |
11:19 |
@BrunoELT This is one reason why elt is a trade and not a profession - too many unlicensed 'professionals' about #eltchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:19 |
@Shaunwilden You can have natural born killers right? Why not natural born teachers???? #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:19 |
@Fuertesun Tee hee well nothing like a good discussion #ELTchat |
| Senicko |
11:19 |
#ELTchat just because you speak English doesn't mean you're an English teacher. |
| ELTExperiences |
11:19 |
@bnleez let me get my dictionary. Any ideas what professional or professionalism means? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
11:19 |
@Senicko Even with a cert! #ELTchat |
| CCK11Feeds |
11:19 |
RT @CCK11Feeds: Great blog, check it out! What if Doctors Were Treated Like Teachers? #CCK11 #ELTchat #edchat #u... http://bit.ly/qWyXd6 |
| CCK11Feeds |
11:19 |
RT @IreneAlcamo: What if Doctors Were Treated Like Teachers?http://t.co/paktcJc: #CCK11 #ELTchat #edchat #ukedc... http://bit.ly/put6lh |
| CCK11Feeds |
11:19 |
RT @CCK11Feeds: Great blog, check it out! What if Doctors Were Treated Like Teachers? #CCK11 #ELTchat #edchat #u... http://bit.ly/ojF9ka |
| CCK11Feeds |
11:19 |
RT @CCK11Feeds: Great blog, check it out! What if Doctors Were Treated Like Teachers? #CCK11 #ELTchat #edchat #u... http://bit.ly/ouIUDe |
| ddeubel |
11:20 |
I can excuse schools which are money driven but not teacher trainers. #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
11:20 |
@ddeubel #eltchat more a problem that schools employ almost anyone and students happy to be taught by almost anyone |
| SueAnnan |
11:20 |
@ddeubel No they don't #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
11:20 |
@vickyloras Only did my Celta after teaching for a couple of years. I knew I loved it so I decided to get trained. perfect for me. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:20 |
@ddeubel But then how do you say no to someone who passes all the interviews? #ELTchat |
| LizziePinard |
11:20 |
@Fuertesun Born teachers or not born, if we don't all keep learning and bettering ourselves, we might as well be backpackers #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:20 |
@ddeubel Oh then you think it's best to learn on the job? #ELTchat |
| barbarabujtas |
11:20 |
tefl is art, craft, common sense and theory #eltchat |
| AnthonyGaughan |
11:20 |
RT @Fuertesun: @Shaunwilden You can have natural born killers right? Why not natural born teachers???? > disturbing analogy! #ELTchat |
| jobethsteel |
11:20 |
@senicko Teacher with no training would suffer and leave after a week at my place - it's such hard work and such a lot to take on. #eltchat |
| bnleez |
11:20 |
I would not want to learn a new language from someone who had no training or experience whatsoever...but that's just me. #eltchat |
| ddeubel |
11:20 |
One problem is that teacher training / cert. programs accept almost anyone. |
| colorincolorado |
11:20 |
The 6 stages of #language acquisition: http://ow.ly/5OKnp #ell #esl #tesol #ellchat #eltchat #education #teaching |
| Shaunwilden |
11:20 |
@Fuertesun Too right :-) #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:21 |
@mcneilmahon Well we can take that further-businesses etc dont take profession seriously so dont want to pay properly for lessons #ELTchat |
| ddeubel |
11:21 |
It's simple. Require time in class before teacher development / certification. Also referral letters from teachers. #eltchat. |
| Senicko |
11:21 |
@AnthonyGaughan Good Q. #eltchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:21 |
@LizziePinard I'm with you I'm applying for an MA! #eltchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:21 |
RT @LizziePinard: @Fuertesun Born teachers or not born, if we don't all keep learning and bettering ourselves, we might as well be backpackers #eltchat |
| Senicko |
11:21 |
@jobethsteel it is a lot to take on even for those of us with a few years exp. #eltchat |
| AnthonyGaughan |
11:21 |
RT @ddeubel: One problem is that teacher training / cert. programs accept almost anyone. > is that true? TTC reps anyone?#eltchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:21 |
@mcneilmahon YES that's a point I knew a man who wrote his MA dissertation on why TEFL is NOT a career! #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
11:21 |
@ddeubel but can help those consider teaching EFL as career or reconfirm those that would like to make a career out of it. #ELTchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:22 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @mcneilmahon Well we can take that further-businesses etc dont take profession seriously so dont want to pay properly for lessons #ELTchat |
| mcneilmahon |
11:22 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @mcneilmahon businesses etc dont take profession seriously so dont want to pay properly for lessons #ELTchat - completely |
| Fuertesun |
11:22 |
@AnthonyGaughan sorry.... got carried away #ELTchat |
| mcneilmahon |
11:22 |
@alastairjgrant #eltchat exactly - a four week course and they've learnt their trade - send them out there to refine themselves |
| nichcy |
11:22 |
RT @colorincolorado: The 6 stages of #language acquisition: http://ow.ly/5OKnp #ell #esl #tesol #ellchat #eltchat #education #teaching |
| Senicko |
11:23 |
@ddeubel some can't, some need to live in the real world #eltchat |
| AnthonyGaughan |
11:23 |
@Fuertesun It's a fair enough one, actually - & I do think teachers can be "born" - but like any human, they also need nurturing #ELTchat |
| alastairjgrant |
11:23 |
RT @SueAnnan: @mcneilmahon the 4 weeks is preservice training. Then they learn while working #eltchat - quite |
| alastairjgrant |
11:23 |
RT @mcneilmahon: @alastairjgrant #eltchat exactly - a four week course and they've learnt their trade - sen… (cont) http://deck.ly/~lTCwI |
| ddeubel |
11:23 |
Easy to volunteer, almost anywhere in the world. Teachers who'll bother to volunteer will most like remain teachers a long time.#eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
11:23 |
@mcneilmahon the 4 weeks is preservice training. Then they learn while working #eltchat |
| jobethsteel |
11:23 |
@ddeubel We don't have time before teach. devt./cert. Referral letters necessary - I agree. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:23 |
@mcneilmahon @alastairjgrant 'refine' - I always say they go out on apprenticeship #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:23 |
@ddeubel agree that a lot of mickey-mouse TEFL training out there #ELTchat but how can one tell the difference if a novice teacher |
| Senicko |
11:23 |
@mcneilmahon they haven't learned the trade but they know a little of what to expect, they need something. #eltchat |
| Senicko |
11:24 |
@ELTExperiences polish a turd for us yanks #ELTchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:24 |
@ELTExperiences I agree with you about innate teachers #ELTchat |
| reNOLAcation |
11:24 |
RT @colorincolorado: The 6 stages of #language acquisition: http://ow.ly/5OKnp #ell #esl #tesol #ellchat #eltchat #education #teaching |
| jobethsteel |
11:24 |
@Marisa_C I think sometimes you just get it wrong no matter how well you interview/check someone. #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
11:24 |
@AnthonyGaughan @ddeubel I think of the phrase; you can't shine sh!t (excuse my French). I think that a good teacher is innate. #ELTchat |
| mcneilmahon |
11:24 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @mcneilmahon @alastairjgrant #ELTchat Both schools and students / employers are to blame, but us too |
| Fuertesun |
11:25 |
RT @mcneilmahon: RT @SueAnnan: @mcneilmahon the 4 weeks is preservice training #eltchat - my wife had 6 years pre-serv trainas a dr and patients still die |
| mcneilmahon |
11:25 |
RT @SueAnnan: @mcneilmahon the 4 weeks is preservice training #eltchat - my wife had 6 years pre-serv trainas a dr and patients still die |
| Fuertesun |
11:25 |
@Marisa_C aghhh so personal qualities are innate? #ELTchat |
| Ms_Shhh_mala |
11:25 |
RT @colorincolorado: The 6 stages of #language acquisition: http://ow.ly/5OKnp #ell #esl #tesol #ellchat #eltchat #education #teaching |
| bnleez |
11:25 |
RT @jobethsteel: @Marisa_C I think sometimes you just get it wrong no matter how well you interview/check someone. #eltchat I agree. |
| ddeubel |
11:25 |
I know in Korea - it may work against you, to not be a backpacker. Because its a business driven by salaries. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:25 |
@ELTExperiences if you are talking abt personal qualities i agree - but the pedagody and the methods need to be learnt #ELTchat |
| LizziePinard |
11:26 |
ok i've got to go.... goodnight #eltchat! I look forward to full participation when I can again! :) |
| ddeubel |
11:26 |
RT @bnleez: RT @jobethsteel: @Marisa_C I think sometimes you just get it wrong no matter how well you interview/check someone. #eltchat I agree. |
| bnleez |
11:26 |
How much does effective, efficient, and engaging teaching/learning depend on personality of teacher? How much is technique? #eltchat |
| jobethsteel |
11:26 |
@senicko I agree. Some can't. |
| ELTExperiences |
11:26 |
@Marisa_C I agree with pedagogical principles: the principles are set but require the correct scaffolding in socialinguistic terms #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:26 |
@ddeubel True - u can't win them all #ELTchat but the percentage won is truly worth it |
| ddeubel |
11:26 |
@bnleez It is simple but not easy. Not suppossed to be. Barriers to entry in a profession are necessary to get good candidates. #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
11:26 |
RT @ddeubel: I know in Korea - it may work against you, to not be a backpacker. Cos its a business driven by salaries. #eltchat Sad but true |
| SueAnnan |
11:27 |
@Fuertesun was it a Mickeymouse school? #eltchat |
| Senicko |
11:27 |
@akhssass disagree. A good T is born #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:27 |
@bnleez Can i fence sit and say both - one is a must and the other hones it? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:27 |
@AnthonyGaughan a long way I think #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
11:27 |
@LizziePinard Bye lizie #eltchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:27 |
I went for a job interview a few mnths back TEFL teacher no qualifications or experience required!!! FANTASTIC huh? #eltchat |
| akhssass |
11:27 |
A teacher is made, he is not born. |
| AnthonyGaughan |
11:27 |
RT @Marisa_C: @ELTExperiences if talking abt personal qualities i agree ...so how far does personality take you in this profession?#ELTchat |
| ELTExperiences |
11:28 |
@AnthonyGaughan @Marisa_C if you are the most popular teacher in a school, your job is secure as long as the students like you. #ELTchat |
| barbarabujtas |
11:28 |
a teacher grows like a tree, needs roots and needs to be flexible :D #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
11:28 |
RT @Marisa_C: but the pedagody and the methods need to be learnt #ELTchat > and continuously refined and updated - only a minority do this |
| Shaunwilden |
11:28 |
@SueAnnan @Fuertesun I love the phrase mickeymouse school not heard it for a while :-) #eltchat |
| mkofab |
11:28 |
@bnleez I think the personality of the teacher is very important. Technique not enough. #eltchat |
| teacher_prix |
11:28 |
RT @BrunoELT: #eltchat Ppl think that just having command of E is enough 2teach. I know numbers but'd never b an economist => True!!! |
| akhssass |
11:28 |
Well any man is born like a white paper. #eltchat |
| ddeubel |
11:28 |
but I think there is room in ELT for backpackers and ipaders and career teachers. It's all good if we don't view a pecking order. #eltchat |
| teacher_prix |
11:28 |
RT @ddeubel: TEFL training is NOT a shortcut if the T doesn't have an reflectiveness nor any context to apply learning. =>Agreed! #ELTChat |
| bnleez |
11:29 |
RT @mkofab: @bnleez I think the personality of the teacher is very important. Technique not enough #eltchat-Personality more than technique? |
| akhssass |
11:29 |
Experience is not enough. you can have 20 years repeated the same way so it's only 1 year experience #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
11:29 |
RT @ddeubel: but I think there is room in ELT for backpackers and ipaders and career teachers. It's all good if we don't view a pecking order. #eltchat |
| Senicko |
11:29 |
RT @SueAnnan: RT @barbarabujtas: a teacher grows like a tree, needs roots and needs to be flexible :D #eltchat |
| Senicko |
11:29 |
@ELTExperiences ANd if they don't learn? #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:29 |
@ELTExperiences @AnthonyGaughan @Marisa_C This is so true in many schools #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
11:29 |
RT @barbarabujtas: a teacher grows like a tree, needs roots and needs to be flexible :D #eltchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:29 |
@SueAnnan they are one of the busiest on the island where I'm based, they have a waiting list of SS but in terms of pay n stuff YES #eltchat |
| Senicko |
11:30 |
@bnleez ipader? #eltchat |
| ddeubel |
11:30 |
RT @Marisa_C: But also seen fully trained up TEFLers actively hated by all ss #ELTchat personal qualities/value/philosophy count ! |
| Fuertesun |
11:30 |
RT @Raquel_EFL: RT @mkofab: @bnleez I think the personality of the teacher is very important. Technique not enough. #eltchat > need to find balance :-) |
| bnleez |
11:30 |
It's all good if we avoid labels: backpackers, ipaders, career teachers, etc. #eltchat |
| Senicko |
11:30 |
@bnleez we are part actors, part psychologists and part Ts It's a mixed bag #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
11:30 |
RT @Marisa_C: But also seen fully trained up TEFLers actively hated by all ss #ELTchat personal qualities/value/philosophy count ! |
| SueAnnan |
11:30 |
@akhssass that'swhere the PD is invaluable #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:30 |
But also seen fully trained up TEFLers actively hated by all ss #ELTchat personal qualities/value/philosophy count ! |
| ddeubel |
11:30 |
@teacher_prix @BrunoELT True but you don't have to know about LAD or ambiguity tolerance or even Glogster, to teach well.... #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
11:31 |
RT @Marisa_C: But also seen fully trained up TEFLers actively hated by all ss #ELTchat personal qualities/value/philosophy count ! |
| mcneilmahon |
11:31 |
RT @bnleez I think the personality is very important. Technique not enough. #eltchat They go hand in hand in all walks of life #ELTchat |
| ELTExperiences |
11:31 |
@Senicko but they learn discourse as their affective filter is lowered I guess & school owner would also get a popular teacher #ELTchat |
| vickyloras |
11:31 |
RT @SueAnnan: RT @Marisa_C: But also seen fully trained up TEFLers actively hated by all ss #ELTchat personal qualities/value/philosophy count ! |
| bnleez |
11:31 |
RT @Senicko: @bnleez we are part actors, part psychologists and part Ts It's a mixed bag #eltchat yep |
| arzuteacher |
11:31 |
RT @web2literacy: English Video Tweets - more video links http://t.co/TyeCqIq #eltchat #esol #efl |
| theteacherjames |
11:32 |
@Marisa_C It's very difficult to train for empathy. #eltchat |
| teacher_prix |
11:32 |
@ddeubel @BrunoELT But you must be truly involved and willing to go deeper that just PPP or Audiolingual...#eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
11:32 |
@bnleez #ELTchat we're not actors, the SS are the actors, we're directors :) |
| Notyetlanguage |
11:32 |
#eltchat @ELTExperiences @Senicko @akhssass if you don't develop yourself you're not a born teacher, a born teacher is a learner |
| akhssass |
11:32 |
SS love lazy teachers who give good grades but hate serious and hardworking teachers. We need to be with work and not with workers #eltchat |
| Senicko |
11:32 |
@ELTExperiences yes and no, if my Ss hate me but they are all passing the FCE w/ merit then they got what they paid for #ELTchat |
| bnleez |
11:32 |
RT @Senicko: @bnleez ipader? #eltchat Someone used the term...it's new to me. Perhaps tech. geek? :) |
| ddeubel |
11:32 |
I think it is that the teacher deeply wants Ss to succeed not the teacher to |
| mkofab |
11:32 |
@bnleez yes. Most have learnt the same techniques - but some T simply better than others.#eltchat |
| educationland |
11:32 |
Mobile Phone Teaching helper: http://t.co/1O1qsO2 #ELT #ELTchat #elearning |
| akhssass |
11:33 |
To be loved or hated by students is not a problem. the problem is that learning should take place. #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
11:33 |
So true - RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C It's very difficult to train for empathy. #eltchat |
| web2literacy |
11:33 |
RT @Marisa_C: This is where I think social media and being connected spreads the word about professionalism and CPD #ELTchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:33 |
@akhssass mmmmmmmm not sure about that! #eltchat |
| jobethsteel |
11:33 |
RT @ddeubel: I think it is that the teacher deeply wants Ss to succeed not the teacher to |
| bnleez |
11:33 |
I think the teacher feels she has succeeded by her interpretation of whether her students have succeeded. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:33 |
This is where I think social media and being connected spreads the word about professionalism and CPD #ELTchat |
| ddeubel |
11:33 |
I'd like to know how many teachers favor credentials as a requirement to teach? #eltchat |
| suzeydan |
11:33 |
RT @RenataWilmot: Where do English words come from? #eltchat |
| Senicko |
11:33 |
@ELTExperiences My Ss happen to love me and pass their exams, so I must be doing something right... #ELTchat |
| jobethsteel |
11:33 |
@Marisa_C Agreed. Folk who fulfil criteria of the training course but you would never employ. Fault in course or the selection? #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
11:33 |
RT @ddeubel: I think it is that the teacher deeply wants Ss to succeed not the teacher to |
| AnthonyGaughan |
11:33 |
RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C It's very difficult to train for empathy. #eltchat |
| jobethsteel |
11:34 |
RT @Marisa_C: This is where I think social media and being connected spreads the word about professionalism and CPD #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:34 |
Here is a bunch of people who are concerned and keen to develop - surely each one of us can affect one colleague???? #ELTchat |
| barbarabujtas |
11:34 |
whats training? in my ountry you an be an EFL teacher with only 20-30% of ur training ELT methodology #eltchat |
| mkofab |
11:34 |
@akhssass Do not agree I'm afraid. Not all SS are like that. #eltchat |
| bnleez |
11:34 |
I'd like to know how many students favor credentials as a requirement to teach #eltchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:34 |
RT @akhssass: Experience is not enough. you can have 20 years repeated the same way so it's only 1 year experience #eltchat |
| Senicko |
11:34 |
@Notyetlanguage @ELTExperiences @akhssass OK I'll buy that #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:35 |
RT @mcneilmahon: #ELTchat Tourist Teflers at least create a perception problem for careerer - When you gonna get a proper job? |
| ELTExperiences |
11:35 |
A good teacher develops opportunities and thrives on learning #eltchat |
| bnleez |
11:35 |
RT @ELTExperiences: So true - RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C It's very difficult to train for empathy. #eltchat But necessary! |
| mcneilmahon |
11:35 |
#ELTchat Tourist Teflers at least create a perception problem for careerers - When you gonna get a proper job? |
| AnthonyGaughan |
11:35 |
RT @ddeubel: I'd like to know how many teachers favor credentials as a requirement to teach? > I do, but credential must B worth it #eltchat |
| web2literacy |
11:35 |
RT @Marisa_C: Here is a bunch of people who are concerned and keen to develop - surely each one of us can affect one colleague???? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
11:35 |
RT @Marisa_C: Here is a bunch of people who are concerned and keen to develop - surely each one of us can affect one colleague???? #ELTchat |
| barbarabujtas |
11:35 |
RT @Fuertesun: RT @akhssass: Experience is not enough. you can have 20 years repeated the same way so its only 1 year experience #eltchat |
| teacher_prix |
11:36 |
RT @ddeubel: I'd like to know how many teachers favor credentials as a requirement to teach? #eltchat What do you mean? |
| mcneilmahon |
11:36 |
@SueAnnan No doubt, but change like that will take a very long time, we'll all be speaking Chinese first :) #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:36 |
RT @ELTExperiences: A good teacher develops opportunities and thrives on learning #eltchat So we're preaching to the coverted here then :-) |
| akhssass |
11:36 |
The outcome of a good education is not filling the bucket but lighting fire. that fire pushes students forward #eltchat |
| Senicko |
11:36 |
@AnthonyGaughan Now that's a poll I'd pay to see. #eltchat |
| teacher_prix |
11:37 |
RT @Marisa_C: Here is a bunch of people who are concerned and keen to develop - surely each one of us can affect one colleague???? #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
11:37 |
@akhssass If the sts hate you, then I think there's a problem. Good learning will not occur. #eltchat |
| barbarabujtas |
11:37 |
RT @teacher_prix: RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C Its very difficult to train for empathy. #eltchat =) #eltchat |
| Senicko |
11:37 |
@ELTExperiences This is true, some think I'm not a proper teacher. I beg to differ! #ELTchat |
| bnleez |
11:37 |
Do we ever become "trained" or "developed"? I hope not. #eltchat |
| teacher_prix |
11:37 |
RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C It's very difficult to train for empathy. #eltchat =) |
| akhssass |
11:37 |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @ELTExperiences: A good teacher develops opportunities and thrives on learning #eltchat |
| bnleez |
11:37 |
Instead of "training" how about "learning", say "professional learning" instead of "professional development"...#eltchat |
| barbarabujtas |
11:37 |
RT @akhssass: The outcome of a good education is not filling the bucket but lighting fire. that fire pushes students forward #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:37 |
I think a good training course is one where the trainee is not only trained but inspired - we learn by modelled behaviour more #ELTchat |
| ELTExperiences |
11:37 |
@mcneilmahon I've been asked numerous times by friends and family when I will get a proper job. Problem is I love my career. #ELTchat |
| mcneilmahon |
11:38 |
@ELTExperiences #ELTchat I think we all here share your problem. But sticks in craw lwayers get paid lots more than teachers, do less good |
| Fuertesun |
11:38 |
RT @BrunoELT: #eltchat in brazil A LOT of people see TEFL as an odd job like delivering pizzas or washing cars... |
| Fuertesun |
11:38 |
I'm all for training. CERT, Dip and now thinking of MA... but who foots the bill for this?? - ME #eltchat |
| ddeubel |
11:38 |
If a training course is required it becomes all about jumping through hoops and less about YOUR dance. #eltchat |
| akhssass |
11:38 |
Have you ever heard of teacher learning communities? a useful method to develop professionally #eltchat |
| web2literacy |
11:38 |
RT @bnleez: Instead of "training" how about "learning", say "professional learning" instead of "professional development"...#eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:39 |
@BrunoELT really, would never have got that from the standard of the teachers I met last week #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
11:39 |
RT @Marisa_C: @ddeubel I beg to differ - I train teachers and they DON"t learn my dance at all - overgeneralising #ELTchat Nor mine! |
| jobethsteel |
11:39 |
@shaunwilden Proper job - my family still thinks I need a proper job after 17 years! Converted - Good teachers where I work too! #eltchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:39 |
@Senicko ohhh I'm so jealous... where do you work? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:39 |
@ddeubel I beg to differ - I train teachers and they DON"t learn my dance at all - overgeneralising #ELTchat |
| ddeubel |
11:39 |
@teacher_prix If you were king or Min. of Ed. Would you require it? Like a background check? #eltchat |
| Senicko |
11:39 |
@Fuertesun My school pays 50% #eltchat |
| bnleez |
11:39 |
A good leader develops opportunities for teachers to thrive to learn, to become more interdependent.#eltchat |
| vickyloras |
11:39 |
RT @Marisa_C: I think a good training course is one where the trainee is not only trained but inspired - we learn by modelled behaviour more #ELTchat |
| teacher_prix |
11:40 |
@BrunoELT: #eltchat in brazil A LOT of people see TEFL as an odd job like delivering pizzas or ... => True! But it's changing! =) |
| Marialva |
11:40 |
training is very important, but u must have the 'extra' in extraordinary #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:40 |
@jobethsteel Yes its took me the best part of 15 years to convice people this was my career #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
11:40 |
RT @ddeubel: If a training course is required it becomes less about YOUR dance. #eltchat > need to learn how to dance before you make yours |
| bnleez |
11:40 |
A good leader makes a trainee realize she is a trainer. #eltchat |
| Senicko |
11:40 |
@Fuertesun TECS El Puerto de Santa Maria Spain #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
11:40 |
@ddeubel with teaching, you could talk the talk but can you walk the walk? A good teacher is innate, a fantastic teacher does CPD #ELTchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:41 |
@Senicko I'm very committed! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
11:41 |
RT @Marisa_C: and you have to learn the scales before you play the symphoies - #ELTchat |
| akhssass |
11:41 |
in each training we can get new knowledge,sharpen our skills or just change our attitude. one is enough. #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
11:41 |
Great quote for today - RT @Marialva: training is very important, but u must have the 'extra' in extraordinary #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:41 |
Dancing, tunes, scales symphonies anymore metaphors? ;-) #eltchat |
| barbarabujtas |
11:41 |
@ddeubel I haven't finished my MA (yet), it was not "my dance", couldn't use postmodern literature in my daily work :( #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
11:41 |
@Fuertesun That's not my experience. Felt Tefl was respected in my time there. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:41 |
and you have to learn the scales before you play the symphoies - #ELTchat |
| Senicko |
11:41 |
@Fuertesun commitment required though. #eltchat |
| Marialva |
11:41 |
RT @Marisa_C: I think a good training course is one where the trainee is not only trained but inspired - we learn by modelled behaviour more #ELTchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:41 |
@ddeubel I dance to my own tune!!! even though I've done a fair few training courses! #eltchat |
| ddeubel |
11:41 |
@Marisa_C YOUR refers to "the student's own". Too often a teacher just wants a certificate no motivation beyond, if required. #eltchat |
| teacher_prix |
11:42 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @BrunoELT really, would never have got that from the standard of the teachers I met last week #eltchat -> It's changing! =) |
| AnthonyGaughan |
11:42 |
RT @Shaunwilden: Dancing, tunes, scales symphonies anymore metaphors? ;-) > we all move to the rhythm of a different drum? ;-) #eltchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:42 |
@theteacherjames I work as a language assistant for the dept of education it's all about cuts here.. #eltchat |
| Senicko |
11:42 |
@Fuertesun LOL. I mean physically committed. #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
11:42 |
RT @Shaunwilden: Dancing, tunes, scales symphonies anymore metaphors? ;-) #eltchat > prescriptions, affadavits, pipes, |
| Fuertesun |
11:42 |
@Senicko Is that near Cadiz? #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
11:43 |
@Shaunwilden walking the walk, talking the talk? #ELTchat |
| vickyloras |
11:43 |
RT @Marisa_C: and you have to learn the scales before you play the symphoies - #ELTchat |
| AnthonyGaughan |
11:43 |
RT @Shaunwilden: Dancing, tunes, scales symphonies anymore metaphors? ;-) But if you hum it, Shaun, I'll play it! #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
11:43 |
@ddeubel it could be an attempt to observe lessons, goto workshops, do workshops, share lessons and help out at your school #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
11:43 |
@Senicko sometimes I think it should be mentally committed :-) #eltchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:43 |
@Senicko what to an asylum? #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
11:44 |
RT @bnleez: RT @Marialva: #eltchat So you cannot teach the "extra"? > depends what the ordinary is :) |
| ddeubel |
11:44 |
via @joe_bower relevant. If a student teacher learns but there's no certificate, did the student really learn? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
11:44 |
@Shaunwilden @jobethsteel Maybe it depends on your background. My family are quite chuffed to have a teacher son! #eltchat |
| teacher_prix |
11:44 |
@ddeubel: I think a good CV with good uni course + training AND experience... It all counts! Not only language awareness... #eltchat |
| bnleez |
11:44 |
RT @Marialva: training is very important, but u must have the 'extra' in extraordinary #eltchat So you cannot teach the "extra"? |
| mcneilmahon |
11:44 |
@Fuertesun first thing that goes in a crisis - 'luxury of learning', when consumers deem English a necessity things will change... #ELTchat |
| bnleez |
11:45 |
Learning and doing are synonymous #eltchat |
| teacher_prix |
11:45 |
@Shaunwilden: #eltchat I'm gonna gona Samba! =) My tutor had me dancing samba today! Right, @Marisa_C? =) |
| Shaunwilden |
11:45 |
@theteacherjames All the siblings are teachers - so they get confused elt versus state school #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
11:45 |
RT @AnthonyGaughan: How can training courses not get in the way of "innate" talent? #eltchat > Didn't get in the way of mine :) |
| Senicko |
11:45 |
@SueAnnan Oh yes! #eltchat |
| fionamau |
11:45 |
RT @AnthonyGaughan: How can training courses not get in the way of "innate" talent? #eltchat |
| Senicko |
11:45 |
@Fuertesun Yes, I did my initial cert in CΓ΅diz #eltchat |
| AnthonyGaughan |
11:45 |
How can training courses not get in the way of "innate" talent? #eltchat |
| jobethsteel |
11:45 |
Anyway, teachers learn differently, no? Some from models, some from experimenting. A course may suit some better than others? #eltchat |
| naomi_moir |
11:45 |
RT @Marisa_C: Some good topics up on the #ELTchat blog - have a look and vote http://bit.ly/n79ftC |
| akhssass |
11:46 |
inservice training can make novice teachers aware of the learning and teaching process. #eltchat |
| HelpMyEnglish |
11:46 |
@akhssass reminds me of a Penny Ur quote! #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
11:46 |
My language awareness is poor but does this make me a bad teacher? I work on the students language and then help to develop. #ELTchat |
| jobethsteel |
11:46 |
A course is only the start. #eltchat |
| web2literacy |
11:46 |
@ENGLISH4EVERYON OK but it's a power that's often abused and many non-native speakers are better teachers of English #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
11:46 |
@Fuertesun @theteacherjames So you're talking institutionally and I'm talking socially? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:46 |
@mcneilmahon He said talent, Neil ;-) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:47 |
So back to topic - How do TEFL professionals (who intend on making their career with EFL) feel towards those who only β€dabble" #eltchat |
| bnleez |
11:47 |
RT @mcneilmahon: RT @AnthonyGaughan: How can training courses not get in the way of "innate" talent? #eltchat > I agree. |
| theteacherjames |
11:47 |
@Shaunwilden Exactly. It's all about expectation. #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
11:47 |
@ELTExperiences Makes it more difficult for you to help the students with their language #ELTchat |
| ELTExperiences |
11:47 |
The start to what though? RT @jobethsteel: A course is only the start. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:47 |
The difference between a skilled and an unskilled performer is one that has been debated for yrs - and how the skill is aquired #ELTchat |
| ELTExperiences |
11:48 |
@mcneilmahon but I'm able to ensure students enjoy my lesson and take something away for the day. #ELTchat |
| mcneilmahon |
11:48 |
RT @ELTExperiences: The start to what though? A long and beautiful relationship between teacher learner and language #eltchat |
| ddeubel |
11:48 |
has anyone read Zen and the art of archery? #eltchat It has many good ideas / basics on how to do something well. Like teach. |
| akhssass |
11:48 |
@HelpMyEnglish @akhssass yes Penny Ur is great! do u know her book 5 minutes activities? #eltchat |
| teacher_prix |
11:48 |
@ddeubel: @joe_bower relevant. If a student T learns but no certificate, did they really learn? #eltchat The other way round too! |
| SueAnnan |
11:49 |
I feel that we can influence the newbies we work with, for the better. #ELTchat |
| ddeubel |
11:49 |
Imagine a certificate in Dogme. It's coming but I'll say it loud - it ruins it all. #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
11:49 |
@ELTExperiences But it's not just about enjoying the moment and the something needs to be recognised as useful by the student #ELTchat |
| barbarabujtas |
11:49 |
RT @bnleez: unskilled/skilled, untrained/trained, etc. Real life is not a dichotomy. #eltchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:49 |
@ELTExperiences No, not a bad teacher just makes it more difficult... maybe #ELTchat |
| bnleez |
11:49 |
unskilled/skilled, untrained/trained, etc. Real life is not a dichotomy. #eltchat |
| fionamau |
11:49 |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat I feel fine towards them - I don't feel fine 2wards management who use them as cheap labour at expense o professionals |
| teacher_prix |
11:49 |
@ddeubel Exactly! #ELTchat It's all together + plus the gift... The passion... |
| Fuertesun |
11:50 |
RT @fionamau: @Shaunwilden #eltchat I feel fine towards them - I don't feel fine 2wards management who use them as cheap labour at expense o professionals |
| Shaunwilden |
11:50 |
@Fuertesun That's the spirit :-) #eltchat |
| bnleez |
11:50 |
RT @akhssass: inservice training can make novice teachers aware of the learning process. #eltchat Yes, and so can preservice training. |
| HelpMyEnglish |
11:50 |
Missed ELTchat AGAIN tonight, boo! Look forward to catching up with the transcript! #eltchat |
| fionamau |
11:50 |
RT @SueAnnan: I feel that we can influence the newbies we work with, for the better. #ELTchat > I agree. Definitely |
| mcneilmahon |
11:50 |
RT @fionamau: @Shaunwilden #eltchat I feel fine towards them - don't feel fine 2wards management who use as cheap labour at expense of profs |
| AnthonyGaughan |
11:50 |
@Shaunwilden I don't mind someone helping me fix my car, but only charge me if you're really a mechanic ;-) #eltchat |
| ddeubel |
11:50 |
RT @bnleez: unskilled/skilled, untrained/trained, etc. Real life is not a dichotomy. #eltchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:50 |
@Shaunwilden hate em especially when they undercut me on lesson prices!!! #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
11:50 |
Perhaps my language awareness is poor due to emphasis with CLT rather than a grammar approach during my initial CELTA course. #ELTchat |
| vickyloras |
11:50 |
RT @ELTExperiences: @mcneilmahon but I'm able to ensure students enjoy my lesson and take something away for the day. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:50 |
I haven't read Zen and ...archery - but suggesting teahing and archery at the same level of skill? #Eltchat |
| RenataWilmot |
11:50 |
@ENGLISH4EVERYON @web2literacy Does "having more memory" make you a better teacher? #eltchat |
| Moacir2 |
11:50 |
RT @ddeubel: Imagine a certificate in Dogme. It's coming but I'll say it loud - it ruins it all. #eltchat |
| fionamau |
11:51 |
RT @Fuertesun: @Shaunwilden hate em when they undercut on lesson prices!!! #eltchat > which is the same situation.Cheap rather than quality |
| vickyloras |
11:51 |
RT @fionamau: RT @SueAnnan: I feel that we can influence the newbies we work with, for the better. #ELTchat > I agree. Definitely |
| teacher_prix |
11:51 |
RT @fionamau: @Shaunwilden #eltchat I feel fine 2wards them - don't feel fine 2wards mngmnt who use them as cheap labour at expense o pros. |
| mcneilmahon |
11:51 |
RT @ddeubel: Imagine a certificate in Dogme. It's coming but - it ruins it all. #eltchat > No, only a cowboy would bring in such a thing! |
| AnthonyGaughan |
11:51 |
@ELTExperiences But what do you mean? weak terminology? You say you help them sound better --where is the "weakness"? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
11:51 |
@ELTExperiences Perhaps it is up to you to change that #ELTchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:52 |
@Shaunwilden It's a big world and everyone has a part in it: #eltchat |
| Senicko |
11:52 |
#eltchat good night all! Thanks! |
| akhssass |
11:52 |
in England the use TLC and in USA it's called PLC. just surf the web it's interesting to learn collaboratively #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
11:52 |
RT @Marisa_C: I have a mind to start a course called "Unprincipled Methodology: where everything goes" .... :-D #ELTchat LOL |
| Marisa_C |
11:52 |
I have a mind to start a course called "Unprincipled Methodology: where everything goes" .... :-D #ELTchat |
| ddeubel |
11:52 |
@Marisa_C Oh Yes. All "art" is at the same level of skill. Involves the same deep things . #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:52 |
@SergioLahaye I wish esp the rich bit -) I am only quoting the topic not voicing an opinion #eltchat |
| fionamau |
11:52 |
RT @AnthonyGaughan: @Shaunwilden I don't mind someone helping me fix my car, but only charge me if you're really a mechanic ;-) #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
11:52 |
@SueAnnan I totally agree. I've got numerous grammar books and it has taken me years to become confident with pron. #ELTchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:52 |
@Shaunwilden all joking apart, charging cheap rates means that some Ss don't value or see the value in a trained , experienced tch #eltchat |
| HelpMyEnglish |
11:52 |
@akhssass yeah used that A LOT in my first couple of years TEFLing!! Practical ideas which are useful in a variety of contexts! #ELTchat |
| CCK11Feeds |
11:52 |
RT @IreneAlcamo: What if Doctors Were Treated Like Teachers?http://t.co/paktcJc: #CCK11 #ELTchat #edchat #ukedc... http://bit.ly/pxT4NB |
| CCK11Feeds |
11:52 |
RT @CCK11Feeds: Great blog, check it out! What if Doctors Were Treated Like Teachers? #CCK11 #ELTchat #edchat #u... http://bit.ly/oVBVOx |
| CCK11Feeds |
11:52 |
RT @CCK11Feeds: Great blog, check it out! What if Doctors Were Treated Like Teachers? #CCK11 #ELTchat #edchat #u... http://bit.ly/mVDDO7 |
| CCK11Feeds |
11:52 |
RT @CCK11Feeds: Great blog, check it out! What if Doctors Were Treated Like Teachers? #CCK11 #ELTchat #edchat #u... http://bit.ly/nzeMKD |
| ELTExperiences |
11:53 |
@AnthonyGaughan I guess I am thinking about current teaching methodology in courses and it's potential drawback. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:53 |
@Fuertesun Yes but you're right re the undercutting it is quite an issue #eltchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:53 |
@Marisa_C I'll sign up for that sounds cheaper than an MA #ELTchat |
| AnthonyGaughan |
11:53 |
@Fuertesun V. True. Rates in Germany haven't shifted in 20 years - for schools, let alone teachers... #eltchat |
| barbarabujtas |
11:53 |
RT @Fuertesun: @Shaunwilden Its a big world and everyone has a part in it::) |
| lauraahaha |
11:53 |
Great comment (thanks @dalecoulter) on my last blog post re: coping w/last-minute cover lessons http://bit.ly/ozyW54 #efl #elt #esl #eltchat |
| greenae |
11:53 |
Jumping in here-if you want to teach, teach. But take it seriously and educate yourself (degree or not). You owe your students that.#eltchat |
| ddeubel |
11:53 |
RT @fionamau: RT @SueAnnan: I feel that we can influence the newbies we work with, for the better. #ELTchat > I agree. Definitely |
| Shaunwilden |
11:54 |
@Marisa_C Oh go on write a book about it and get lots of blogs to start on the topic & hail it as the saviour of the profession #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:54 |
@ELTExperiences sure! hop on! #ELTchat |
| ddeubel |
11:54 |
@Marisa_C no method is a method! #eltchat We got to get teachers creating their own methods in tune with their beliefs. #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
11:54 |
Can I help? - RT @Marisa_C: I have a mind to start a course called "Unprincipled Methodology: where everything goes" #ELTchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:54 |
@Shaunwilden It just brings standards down... for Ss and for tchrs #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:54 |
@Fuertesun Your'e my first trainee welcome to the joint #ELTchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:55 |
RT @AnthonyGaughan: @Shaunwilden I don't mind someone helping me fix my car, but only charge me if you're really a mechanic ;-) #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
11:55 |
I suppose I'm aware of my drawbacks with grammar due to CPD and ambition to improve. My DoS referred to me as a perfectionist. #ELTchat |
| jobethsteel |
11:55 |
I guess my only comment could be that the best teflers I've seen were not travellers.#eltchat |
| Fuertesun |
11:55 |
RT @SueAnnan: I feel that we can influence the newbies we work with, for the better. #ELTchat |
| mcneilmahon |
11:55 |
@Fuertesun but students are more worried about cost than quality and the quality not as good at marketing as the cowboys? #ELTchat |
| akhssass |
11:56 |
Sometimes "experienced"teachers who are resistant to change influence badly newbies. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
11:56 |
@JezUden you've joined at the end! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:56 |
@teacher_prix back to ur assignment Miss #ELTchat |
| JezUden |
11:56 |
@Marisa_C This sounds interesting! What's the topic??? #ELTchat |
| teacher_prix |
11:56 |
Chatting is great, but I really need to get some rest... Been missing #ELTchat... Night-night... =) |
| Shaunwilden |
11:56 |
@Fuertesun In czech the PLS schools started an organisation to try and regulate this #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
11:57 |
RT @ddeubel: #eltchat We got to get teachers creating their own methods in tune with their beliefs - Would you sat that about other jobs? |
| Shaunwilden |
11:57 |
RT @web2literacy: therefore all my teaching credentials went out the window in Spain - because of the Native Speaker label #eltchat |
| ddeubel |
11:57 |
@teacher_prix yes, it is the whole package 4sure. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:57 |
@Marisa_C @teacher_prix Oh give her a break :-) #eltchat |
| ddeubel |
11:58 |
@mcneilmahon Oh not all jobs. but I think in the best of possible worlds, we should all have jobs that suit our beliefs. #eltchat |
| teacher_prix |
11:58 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C @teacher_prix Oh give her a break :-) #eltchat LOL! Tomorrow morning... Vocab... Here I go!!! =) |
| Shaunwilden |
11:58 |
RT @ELTExperiences: It's taken me years to realise that students can be unique as can be teachers. As long as both parties develop, so much the better. #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
11:58 |
#eltchat I never really intended 2 become a teacher. I think there was something latent there (fam of Ts) but they training n exp I got here |
| ELTExperiences |
11:58 |
It's taken me years to realise that students can be unique as can be teachers. As long as both parties develop, so much the better. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:58 |
@Shaunwilden two weeks to assessor - :-) girls need breaks too i agree but.... #eltchat |
| ddeubel |
11:59 |
RT @ELTExperiences: It's taken me years to realise that students can be unique as can be teachers. As long as both parties develop, so much the better. #ELTchat |
| mcneilmahon |
11:59 |
@ddeubel #ELTchat and we should believe in a right way of doing things? EFL long way behind other jobs in this regard... |
| ELTExperiences |
11:59 |
RT @akhssass: Sometimes native teachers possess only the accent and eloquency and a total fiasco concerning knowledge and skills. #eltchat |
| jobethsteel |
11:59 |
Good night and thanks.#eltchat |
| web2literacy |
11:59 |
@Shaunwilden thanks for the RT there - believe the NS vs NNS teacher a really important issue in ELT #eltchat |
| akhssass |
11:59 |
Sometimes native teachers possess only the accent and eloquency and a total fiasco concerning knowledge and skills. #eltchat |
| fionamau |
11:59 |
RT @ddeubel: @mcneilmahon Oh not all jobs. but I think in the best of possible worlds, we should all have jobs that suit our beliefs. #eltchat |
| aClilToClimb |
11:59 |
RT @Shaunwilden: Three topics seems to be pulling away, one hour left to vote http://bit.ly/o8iFyK #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:59 |
Three topics seems to be pulling away, one hour left to vote http://bit.ly/o8iFyK #eltchat |
| fionamau |
12:00 |
RT @Marisa_C: To go back to our question - do you all think that 'tourist TEFLers" should be kicked out of the job? #ELTchat No, I don't. |
| Fuertesun |
12:00 |
RT @Marisa_C: To go back to our question - do you all think that 'tourist TEFLers" should be kicked out of the job? #ELTchat No hope for any of them? |
| SueAnnan |
12:00 |
NO #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:00 |
@Marisa_C No #eltchat |
| fionamau |
12:00 |
RT @web2literacy: @Shaunwilden believe the NS vs NNS teacher a really important issue in ELT #eltchat > only in the private 'academia'sector |
| Marisa_C |
12:00 |
To go back to our question - do you all think that 'tourist TEFLers" should be kicked out of the job? #ELTchat No hope for any of them? |
| Marisa_C |
12:00 |
RT @Shaunwilden: Three topics seems to be pulling away, one hour left to vote http://bit.ly/o8iFyK #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:01 |
@Marisa_C Yes me too hence the No as someone said at the beginning its not their fault, look at the schools first :-) #eltchat |
| barbarabujtas |
12:01 |
how about state schools? my tefl tourist friend works there, much more committed than his MA colleagues + he's a native... #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:01 |
@AnthonyGaughan good point #ELTchat |
| akhssass |
12:01 |
when I was at university, the worst teachers in the English department were native speakers of English. #eltchat |
| mcneilmahon |
12:01 |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat It would improve our lot as careerers but NO all the same.. |
| AnthonyGaughan |
12:01 |
@Marisa_C > Who would do the kicking? Not exactly a strongly regulated profession, ours. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:01 |
@Shaunwilden I am so reilieved!!! I would have to go fina another job then!!! Cos that's how I came into this #eltchat |
| ELTExperiences |
12:01 |
@Marisa_C you pay for what you get at the end of the day tourist or professional. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:02 |
Right that's another #eltchat over then, thanks all - good to be back see you next week :-) #eltchat |
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