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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:00
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I'll be moderating, and I'm not actually sure which, if any of my fellow mods are here tonight :) #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:00
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Time for #ELTChat Our topic tonight is teaching conversation and/or situational English.
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:01
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I'm sure most of us are familiar with teaching conversation. How would situational English be different? Or is it the same thing? #eltchat
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PrettyButWise
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20/7/2011
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2:01
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@barbsaka nice topic #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:02
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@chucksandy I agree. Suggestions for parameters? #eltchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:02
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I'll 2nd that. Hello all! Wonder if we should set some parameters on the topic. Conversation's so big and situational is too.Right? #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:03
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@barbsaka @chucksandy Conv defined by a lack of activities or clear aims? #eltchat
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mcneilmahon
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20/7/2011
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2:03
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#eltchat Hi everyone - conversation and situational English very different things!
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mcneilmahon
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20/7/2011
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2:04
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converstion is interactional and situational is transactional #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:04
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@chucksandy I think you're right, but also think they're generally taught together #eltchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:04
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Perhaps I'm wrong but when i think of situational i think of functions & ordering in restaurants & such. Am i off? #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:04
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@mcneilmahon How are they different? #eltchat
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PrettyButWise
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20/7/2011
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2:04
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@chucksandy what do u mean by situational ? Is it to use L in a certain situation ? #eltchat
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lolonagi
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19/7/2011
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2:04
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http://bit.ly/qOpfHM free writing pdf #eltchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:05
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RT @mcneilmahon: converstion is interactional and situational is transactional > and then? I love these terms by the way :-)
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:05
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@mcneilmahon So do you teach them in different ways? #eltchat
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pysproblem81
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20/7/2011
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2:05
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RT @mcneilmahon: converstion is interactional and situational is transactional #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:05
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Thanks! RT @mcneilmahon: converstion is interactional and situational is transactional #eltchat
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:06
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Do we teach conversation or facilitate it? #eltchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:06
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RT @rliberni: @barbsaka Hi I;m here sorry a bit late I was being interviewed on WIZIQ WOW! > how'd it go ? :-)
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ozsolmaz
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20/7/2011
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2:06
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How to use sketchast in the classroom http://t.co/179NKbf #elt #eltchat #livefromcambridge :)
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:06
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@mcneilmahon Can you explain what you mean by that in a bit more detail, 140 characters permitting, of course? #eltchat
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mcneilmahon
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20/7/2011
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2:06
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#eltchat We have a conversation to be social but in situations we want something done = much more functional language
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:06
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RT @mcneilmahon: converstion is interactional and situational is transactional #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:06
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@barbsaka Hi I;m here sorry a bit late I was being interviewed on WIZIQ WOW! #ELTCHAT
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PrettyButWise
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20/7/2011
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2:06
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RT @barbsaka: Thanks! RT @mcneilmahon: converstion is interactional and situational is transactional #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:07
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@rliberni Welcome, Berni! #ELTCHAT
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:07
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@chucksandy good I hope I couldn't get there at first tech!!! but ok in the end #eltchat
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gknightbkk
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20/7/2011
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2:07
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When defining a situation 4 conversation or something more specific, do genre analysis - Field Tenor Mode #eltchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:07
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RT @mcneilmahon: don't we often want things in conversations too tho? #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:07
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Thing is, even if I'm teaching for situation (like restaurant, hotel) there seems to be a lot of interaction. No? #eltchat
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pysproblem81
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20/7/2011
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2:08
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@barbsaka conversation has less clear aims #eltchat
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gknightbkk
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20/7/2011
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2:08
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β€@barbsaka: @gknightbkk What's field tenor mode? #eltchatβ€ http://t.co/flhbn6W
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PrettyButWise
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20/7/2011
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2:08
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4 conversation i would ask Ss to talk about their life issues in expanded conversation #eltchat
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mcneilmahon
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20/7/2011
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2:08
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@barbsaka @chucksandy #eltchat Yes, we need to interact in order to transact and vice versa
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:08
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@mcneilmahon I think all our use of language is social #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:08
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@gknightbkk What's field tenor mode? #eltchat
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pysproblem81
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20/7/2011
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2:08
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@barbsaka The difference is that there is a clear aim that can be measured - can learners do X in EN #eltchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:09
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RT @pysproblem81: @barbsaka conversation has less clear aims > not the conversation i had earlier w/ colleagues at work :-) #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:09
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I heard a great talk on conversation last Sunday on bbc (will try and find the link) & how real conversations were engineered #eltchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:09
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RT @web2literacy: @mcneilmahon I think all our use of language is social > agree #eltchat
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:10
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@mcneilmahon and carried over from L1 #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:10
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@chucksandy @pysproblem81 @barbsaka But has less clear pedagogical aims? Beyond general fluency/comprehension? #eltchat
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PrettyButWise
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20/7/2011
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2:10
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@web2literacy we facilitate it i think ! #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:10
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HI eeryone, sorry I'm late #eltchat
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pysproblem81
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20/7/2011
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2:10
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@chucksandy maybe we should be talking about social vs transactional language use... #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:10
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Agree! RT @mcneilmahon: @web2literacy #eltchat The strategies and subskills and language of conversation can all be taught
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:10
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I guess this means that they are not always 'natural' we have superficial communications & in depth convos #eltchat
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:10
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when we want things we are still interpersonal in our use of language #eltchat - don't think we can break down to functions
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mcneilmahon
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20/7/2011
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2:10
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@web2literacy #eltchat The strategies and subskills and language of conversation can all be taught
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:10
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Huh. I've never thought of 'conversation' as being aimless before. Seems to me there are clear functions in social interactions #eltchat
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IreneAlcamo
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20/7/2011
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2:11
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RT @brad5patterson: Today's #infiniteeltideas is 'Tweet Modern' http://wp.me/p1sbtu-1e How would you use it in class? #eltchat #efl #esl #esol RT @sandymillin
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JoeMcVeigh
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20/7/2011
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2:11
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Here's a book recommendation: Conversation Inspirations 3rd ed. by Zelman published by Pro Lingua. Great ideas esp. for role plays #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:11
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I'm willing to bow to greater minds than mine. Conversation and Situational English ARE different. #eltchat
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mcneilmahon
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20/7/2011
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2:11
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@barbsaka #eltchat It's definitely not aimless, but the aim is 2 be social, 2 buiild a relationship, 2 belong to a community, not 2 survive
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:11
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@theteacherjames I think fluency is the key here #eltchat
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:12
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RT @rliberni: @theteacherjames conversation 'lessons' can just be chat with no focus or learning outcome & often the tchr does most of the convo #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:12
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RT @hartle: RT @barbsaka: I'm willing to... Conversation and Situational English ARE different. #eltchat it depends a bit on level too
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:12
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@pysproblem81: maybe we should be talking abt social vs transactional language use.>I don't like dissecting.Prefer to keep it whole #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:12
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RT @barbsaka: I'm willing to... Conversation and Situational English ARE different. #eltchat it depends a bit on level too
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:12
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RT @JoeMcVeigh: So HOW do we teach conversation? #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:12
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@theteacherjames conversation 'lessons' can just be chat with no focus or learning outcome & often the tchr does most of the convo #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:12
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@rliberni Definitely for conv. classes. My first priority is to make them 'comfortable' with the language. #eltchat
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JoeMcVeigh
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20/7/2011
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2:12
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So HOW do we teach conversation? #eltchat
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DaveDodgson
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19/7/2011
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2:12
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From @OUPELTGlobal 10 Commandments for motivating language learners: #5 Promote learner autonomy http://bit.ly/n9Jcyg #ELTchat
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PrettyButWise
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20/7/2011
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2:13
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4 situational i would ask Ss to repeat in the first stage then memorize and finally to form thier sentence freely #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:13
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@theteacherjames I agree I think there is a place but it's got to be part of a whole focus or aim #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:13
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RT @chucksandy: @pysproblem81: maybe we should be...#eltchat difficult to teach natural transactional in class but necessary at lower levels
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pysproblem81
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20/7/2011
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2:13
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For situational language does that me we need to simulate the situation? #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:13
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So, how do you all teach conversation skills? Or do you facilitate? Or what? #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:13
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I think chatting has a place - it depends on the outcome you want - relax, build relationship, put at ease etc.. #eltchat
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:13
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RT @chucksandy: @pysproblem81: maybe we should be talking abt social vs transactional language use.>I don't like dissecting.Prefer to keep it whole #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:13
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@rliberni It's very hard to resist. But some students love that. Takes some real discipline. #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:14
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'Skills' I include in convesation are turn-taking, interrupting, and active listening. And I do have to teach them :) #eltchat
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Moacir2
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20/7/2011
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2:14
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Conversation/situation intersect.maindifference is that in conv. Ss don't know they're learning. #eltchat
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timjulian60
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20/7/2011
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2:14
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I think ss appreciate feedback/error correction afterwards - gives a sense of purpose #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:14
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@JoeMcVeigh I don't think we 'teach it', think we develop it. #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:14
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RT @pysproblem81: For sit... we need to simulate the situation? #eltchat yes unless in an L1 country where U cn do project work
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:14
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RT @barbsaka: So, how do you all teach conversation skills? Or do you facilitate? Or what? #eltchat
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OUPELTGlobal
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19/7/2011
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2:14
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10 Commandments for motivating language learners: #5 Promote learner autonomy http://oxford.ly/nix3wC #ELT #EFL #ESL #ELTchat
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physiart
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17/7/2011
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2:14
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RT @russell1955: RT @Mercedes_Kamijo: Three ways to quickly create audio messages for your blog: http://bit.ly/jophGd http://bit.ly/jophGd #eltchat
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pysproblem81
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20/7/2011
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2:15
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Could authentic materials help 'creating' the situation - list of auth mat sources here: http://bit.ly/bmFXOT #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:15
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@PrettyButWise How do you do this? #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:15
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RT @barbsaka: @yitzha_sarwono Welcome! #eltchat
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PrettyButWise
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20/7/2011
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2:15
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@pysproblem81 yea to expand the dialogue #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:15
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@yitzha_sarwono Welcome! #eltchat
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:15
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RT @chucksandy: RT @theteacherjames: @JoeMcVeigh I dont think we teach it, think we develop it > & provide opportunities for it #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:15
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@barbsaka I think in the case of conventions like small talk, or intros etc.. which have a social purpose we have to teach it #eltchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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20/7/2011
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2:15
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RT @barbsaka: 'Skills' I include in convesation are turn-taking, interrupting, and active listening. And I do have to teach them :) #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:15
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RT @timjulian60: I think ss appreciate feedback/error correction after. #eltchat work on emergent lang essential, I agree
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yitzha_sarwono
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20/7/2011
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2:15
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finally got some connection to join #eltchat
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JoeMcVeigh
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20/7/2011
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2:15
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I've taught in Intensive English programs with specific classes just for "speaking" or "conversation." Coursebooks just for this. #eltchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:15
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RT @theteacherjames: @JoeMcVeigh I dont think we teach it, think we develop it > & provide opportunities for it #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:16
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@JoeMcVeigh I think in the end the move would be towards integrated but not easy at early stages maybe #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:16
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RT @JoeMcVeigh: But still lots of discussion in US over relative value...#ELTchat I find it very difficult to separate skills work
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pysproblem81
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20/7/2011
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2:16
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@mcneilmahon How do you find GB vs AR convos differ? #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:16
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@web2literacy @rliberni Depends on the nature of the relationship with the st. My conv lessons are 1s where I chuck out the plan. #ELTchat
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:16
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RT @hartle: RT @timjulian60: I think ss appreciate feedback/error correction after. #eltchat work on emergent lang essential, I agree
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JoeMcVeigh
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20/7/2011
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2:16
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But still lots of discussion in US over relative value of teaching separate vs. integrated skills with balance towards integrated. #ELTchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:16
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I'm doing online 'conversation course' at moment bt still include LA and skills on emergent lang. #eltchat
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mcneilmahon
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20/7/2011
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2:16
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RT @web2literacy: @mcneilmahon and carried over from L1 #eltchat some are some aren't. Conversations here in Arg V diff from Brit convo
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Moacir2
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20/7/2011
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2:16
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Ss need to be taught to listen. Then they'll be good speakers #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:17
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@rliberni Generally agree, but I think they are some advanced sts who've done enough learning & now need practice practice practice #eltchat
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gknightbkk
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20/7/2011
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2:17
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Ss have L1 and if familiar with the context, what they wld say in L1 can be transferred to L2 with some sociolinguistic variance #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:17
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RT @mcneilmahon: RT @barbsaka: 'Skills' I include in convesation are ...:) #eltchat yes a lot of these vary betwn cultures :-)
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:17
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@chucksandy So what do you do, Mr. Natural? #eltchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:17
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I'm always a lil' wary of courses whose aim is to "teach" conversation: how? about what? in such an unnatural setting? #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:17
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Organizational suggestion--perhaps we can focus on teaching conversation until half hour, and then switch to situational #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:17
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RT @mcneilmahon: RT @barbsaka: 'Skills' I include in convesation are turn-taking, interrupting, and active listening. And I do have to teach them :) #eltchat
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:17
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@mcneilmahon yes totally agree - those cultural differences are an interesting point of focus #eltchat
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mcneilmahon
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20/7/2011
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2:17
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RT @barbsaka: 'Skills' I include in convesation are turn-taking, interrupting, and active listening. And I do have to teach them :) #eltchat
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erikaosvath
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19/7/2011
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2:17
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RT @OUPELTGlobal: 10 Commandments for motivating language learners: #5 Promote learner autonomy http://oxford.ly/nix3wC #ELT #EFL #ESL #ELTchat
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PrettyButWise
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20/7/2011
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2:18
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@barbsaka by asking another S to participate or by asking the Ss to add a new target or search for new info #eltchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:18
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RT @gknightbkk: Ss have L1 & if familiar w context what they wld say in L1 can be transferred to L2 w some sociolinguistic variance #eltchat
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pysproblem81
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20/7/2011
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2:18
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@mcneilmahon yep... that follows - mi seΓ±ora es Argentina - notice the difference in turn-taking #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:18
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@theteacherjames yes why not :-) My F2F students live with me so plenty of time for everything even mindless chatter #eltchat
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:18
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RT @gknightbkk: Ss have L1 and if familiar with the context, what they wld say in L1 can be transferred to L2 with some sociolinguistic variance #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:18
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RT @theteacherjames: @rliberni Generally agree, but I think they are some advanced sts #eltchat not ony advanced, intermediate as well
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:18
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@yitzha_sarwono Nice idea #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:18
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@chucksandy Absolutely. Loads of opportunities. #eltchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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20/7/2011
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2:18
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RT @chucksandy: I'm always a lil' wary of courses whose aim is to "teach" conversation: how? about what? in such an unnatural setting? #eltchat
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:18
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RT @chucksandy: I'm always a lil' wary of courses whose aim is to "teach" conversation: how? about what? in such an unnatural setting? #eltchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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20/7/2011
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2:18
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4 beginner's class I usually teach conversation by asking them 2 fill the blanks from a conversation provided before begin speaking #eltchat
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glendagregory
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19/7/2011
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2:18
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RT @Ilotimo: RT @apuustin: The Urgency of Teachers Sharing Resources: A MoralΒ Imperative http://zite.to/qQCyJD #cpchat #eltchat #elemchat #edchat
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antoniaclare
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17/7/2011
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2:18
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Speaking Out: six bright ideas for developing fluency- free web presentation JJ Wilson http://bit.ly/hx1Adc #elt #eltchat #tesol #efl #esol
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:19
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@rliberni Oh yes, then you have the opportunity to teach them without them realising it. Learning by stealth! Lucky them. #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:19
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In my experience the thing that even the most advanced stds have problems with is unstructured conversation about random topics #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:19
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Yesterday did a content specific cloze post reading to lead onto lexical development and discussion #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:19
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@PrettyButWise Nice idea! #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:19
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@hartle True, can help them advance to the next level. #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:20
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@theteacherjames it does work but it's tough for both of us (or all if in a group) #eltchat
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:20
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@theteacherjames @rliberni but planning still helps? it gives you the choice to chuck out the plan #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:20
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#eltchat sorry that shd have been post listening
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yitzha_sarwono
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20/7/2011
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2:21
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I think teaching conversation means we have to teach them to have some guts! cause believe me it's not easy here in Indonesia #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:21
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@Marisa_C Gosh, seems pretty functional to me, so maybe not a 'real' conversation :) #ELTchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:21
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@web2literacy true though when you have the chance to 'throw them to the lions' it can actually be a great experience for them #eltchat
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timjulian60
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20/7/2011
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2:21
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@rliberni yes, that's sometimes cos they need time to think about the subject, not just the language #eltchat
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gknightbkk
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20/7/2011
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2:21
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β€@chucksandy: RT @rliberni: unstructured conversation about random topics > gosh even i have problems with that. :-) #eltchatβ€ >> Me too!
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mcneilmahon
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20/7/2011
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2:21
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RT @web2literacy: @theteacherjames @rliberni but planning still helps? it gives you the choice to chuck out the plan #eltchat defintiely !
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:21
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Fun idea for beginners. Take basic convo--only rule is no looking at paper while speaker (eye contact). Then, add improv #eltchat
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PrettyButWise
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20/7/2011
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2:21
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isn't conversation higher than situational ? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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20/7/2011
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2:21
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#ELTchat Hi all - joining you for a short spell tween classes :-) good to see conversation going well - is this what we're having btw?
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:21
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RT @rliberni: unstructured conversation about random topics > gosh even i have problems with that. :-) #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:21
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RT @theteacherjames: @rliberni Oh yes, ... #eltchat learning by stealth the best way :-)
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:22
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@yitzha_sarwono why is that? #eltchat
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JoeMcVeigh
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20/7/2011
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2:22
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Next book recommendation: Pragmatics: Teaching Speech Acts, Tatsuki & Houck, (Eds.) pub. by TESOL, Inc. 2010 http://bit.ly/q3wvKR #ELTchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:22
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I like it! RT @hartle: I ask stds at end of lesson to propose topics for next lesson, the mst popular wins (like #eltchat)
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yitzha_sarwono
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20/7/2011
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2:22
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@mcneilmahon usually dialogue one where later they can put their own ideas to how to say such things #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:22
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RT @yitzha_sarwono: I think teaching conversation means we have to teach them to have some guts! cause believe me it's not easy here in Indonesia #eltchat
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pysproblem81
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20/7/2011
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2:22
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RT @hartle: I ask stds at end of lesson to propose topics for next lesson, the mst popular wins (like #eltchat)
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:22
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RT @rliberni: @web2literacy true though when you have the chance to 'throw them to the lions' it can actually be a great experience for them #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:22
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I ask stds at end of lesson to propose topics for next lesson, the mst popular wins (like #eltchat)
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:22
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@web2literacy @rliberni I always have a plan, just in case. #eltchat
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cioccas
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20/7/2011
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2:22
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RT @PrettyButWise: isn't conversation higher than situational ? #eltchat < In my understanding, yes, higher level skill
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:23
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@theteacherjames yes that's why 2 weeks is really enough #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:23
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RT @JoeMcVeigh: Next book recommendation: Pragmatics: Teaching Speech Acts, Tatsuki & Houck, (Eds.) pub. by TESOL, Inc. 2010 http://bit.ly/q3wvKR #ELTchat
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:23
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@rliberni I used to work in an English only school, & it was tough for the sts. They need a break sometimes, I think. #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:23
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RT @barbsaka: I like it! RT @hartle: I ask stds at end of lesson to propose topics for next lesson, the mst popular wins (like #eltchat)
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:23
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@JoeMcVeigh thanks for the recs, Joe! Glad they'll be in summary #ELTchat
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:23
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RT @barbsaka: I like it! RT @hartle: I ask stds at end of lesson to propose topics for next lesson, the mst popular wins (like #eltchat)
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:23
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@timjulian60 I had a very confident student recently who went to pieces when I invited a few local friends around for drinks #eltchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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20/7/2011
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2:23
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RT @barbsaka: Fun idea for beginners. Take basic convo--only rule is no looking at paper while speaker (eye contact). Then, add improv #eltchat
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web2literacy
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19/7/2011
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2:23
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RT @DaveDodgson: From @OUPELTGlobal 10 Commandments for motivating language learners: #5 Promote learner autonomy http://bit.ly/n9Jcyg #ELTchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:24
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RT @pysproblem81: @hartle nice approach... :-) thn I post related questions for discussion in advance, websites,work on emerg. lang #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:24
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RT @gknightbkk: transaction v interaction is the distinction rather than conversation v situation. All conversation is situational #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:24
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@rliberni Mine had 9 hours a day for 5 months. Felt a bit sorry for them, but at least they got to go home. #eltchat
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gknightbkk
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20/7/2011
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2:24
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transaction v interaction is the distinction rather than conversation v situation. All conversation is situational #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:24
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Would you categorize a debate/public speaking class as situational or conversation? #eltchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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20/7/2011
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2:24
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@web2literacy it's the culture here ^^, we're so afraid to mess up that we end up not having the nerve to talk at all #eltchat
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:25
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RT @yitzha_sarwono: @web2literacy it's the culture here ^^, we're so afraid to mess up that we end up not having the nerve to talk at all #eltchat
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PrettyButWise
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20/7/2011
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2:25
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i can ask my Ss to read news then to discuss them ! #eltchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:25
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RT @gknightbkk: transaction v interaction is the distinction rather than conversation v situation. All conversation is situational #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:26
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@JoeMcVeigh Indonesia, but true in much of Asia #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:26
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@PrettyButWise Thx :) #eltchat
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JoeMcVeigh
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20/7/2011
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2:26
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@yitzha_sarwono: it's the culture here, we're so afraid to mess up ... >> Where is "here?" #eltchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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20/7/2011
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2:26
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I always have some vocabulary or phrases provided before we begin the lesson,just in case they need some insight #eltchat
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PrettyButWise
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20/7/2011
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2:26
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@barbsaka conversation #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:26
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I have class blog with pre class work and devote class time to lang use #eltchat http://hartle.edublogs.org
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Tina_Heizman
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18/7/2011
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2:26
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RT @ShellTerrell: The five stages of PD for teachers http://bit.ly/oJWO6z ~ @hoprea #eltchat
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gknightbkk
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20/7/2011
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2:27
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transaction is easy to predict (taxis, restaurants,etc.). Interaction depends on the relationships, the subject and the channel #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:27
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@theteacherjames 9 hours is crazy! I do 4 hours of lessons with a good coffee break then we go out, walk , movies, theatre .. #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:27
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@Marisa_C huh? #ELTchat
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PrettyButWise
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20/7/2011
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2:27
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RT @barbsaka: I like it! RT @hartle: I ask stds at end of lesson to propose topics for next lesson, the mst popular wins (like #eltchat)
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Marisa_C
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20/7/2011
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2:27
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@barbsaka exctement!!!! :-) #ELTchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:27
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Online it's particularly difficult as stds afraid to use mic. too #eltchat
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mcneilmahon
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20/7/2011
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2:28
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RT @mcneilmahon: #eltchat - focus on language / strategies and then practice > or vice versa if you're a TBLer
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:28
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RT @barbsaka: I used to teach businessmen in a residential program. Conversation practice included cocktail parties :) #eltchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:28
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i don't think real conversation happen much during on task time in classes.it's what happens in breaks/side chats/before & after. #eltchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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20/7/2011
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2:28
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@JoeMcVeigh oh, I live in Indonesia ^^ #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:28
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@hartle Yes, this is true I use the chat box until they feel ready to speak #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:28
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I used to teach businessmen in a residential program. Conversation practice included cocktail parties :) #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:28
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RT @rliberni: @theteacherjames 9 hours is crazy a good coffee break then we go out, walk , movies, theatre .. #eltchat Sounds gr8t
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yitzha_sarwono
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20/7/2011
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2:28
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@theteacherjames I worked in an English only school, they cannot wait for Friday when they have a chance to speak our mother tongue #eltchat
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mcneilmahon
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20/7/2011
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2:28
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#eltchat transactional and interactional language can both be taught as function lessons - focus on language / strategies and then practice
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rliberni
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18/7/2011
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2:28
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RT @web2literacy: #eltchat anybody know any good 'how to use Twitter videos? But in different languages e.g. French Arabic Chinese Spanish etc etc
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web2literacy
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18/7/2011
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2:28
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#eltchat anybody know any good 'how to use Twitter videos? But in different languages e.g. French Arabic Chinese Spanish etc etc
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:29
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@chucksandy I agree so how do you help to develop those skills? #eltchat
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:29
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RT @chucksandy: i don't think real conversation happen much during on task time in classes.it's what happens in breaks/side chats/before & after. #eltchat
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mcneilmahon
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20/7/2011
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2:29
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@chucksandy #eltchat unless you plan for it to happen - give it space in the classroom
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:29
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@rliberni The cocktail party made the karaoke practice more tolerable #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:29
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@rliberni Were Eng teachers, so were only supposed to use Eng all day. Grew to dislike that policy over time, not effective or fair #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:29
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RT @chucksandy: i don't think real conversation happen much during on task time in classes.it's what happens in breaks/side chats/before & after. #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:29
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@barbsaka important too so long as teacher keeps their head Lol! #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:29
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RT @rliberni: @hartle Yes, this is true I use the chat box...#eltchat Me too, I get a confident st to speak an… (cont) http://deck.ly/~JIaFP
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:30
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RT @mcneilmahon: unless you plan for it to happen - give it space in the classroom > agree. hung up a bit on the word conversation #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:30
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RT @web2literacy: @chucksandy and why is that? we need real conversation on task - need to link to lives of learners #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:30
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Love @mcneilmahon idea of giving space where conversation might emerge in class. how can we do this? #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:30
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RT @theteacherjames: @rliberni .... Grew to dislike that policy over time, not effective or fair #eltchat Agreed terrible!
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:30
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@chucksandy and why is that? we need real conversation on task - need to link to lives of learners #eltchat
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PrettyButWise
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20/7/2011
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2:30
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i think situational is for young learner under 13-Y and conversation is a higher level for those who need to acquire L2 fluently #eltchat
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JoeMcVeigh
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20/7/2011
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2:30
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So, for successful conversation students need what? Vocab? Grammar? Functions? Pron? sociolinguistic competence? Confidence? #ELTchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:30
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@barbsaka what you do for your 'art'! #eltchat
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pysproblem81
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20/7/2011
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2:30
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@hartle @rliberni what do you think the value of online tools (ie. Chat) is to teaching conversation? #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:31
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@barbsaka I didn't doubt it for a moment :-) Lol #eltchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:31
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RT @web2literacy: what i mean is that it's in the conversations we have w/ Ss during tasks. Often not the task themselves #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:31
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RT @chucksandy: RT @mcneilmahon: unless you plan for it to happen - give it space in the classroom > agree. hung up a bit on the word conversation #eltchat
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PrettyButWise
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20/7/2011
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2:31
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@JoeMcVeigh Vocabulary + Grammar +Confidence #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:31
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@pysproblem81 I think the only thing chat highlights is my bad typing! But it is a connection #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:31
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@rliberni Dedicated. That's me :) #eltchat
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rliberni
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18/7/2011
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2:31
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#ELTMentor the online mentoring programme for new #esl/#efl teachers - get gr8 support! http://bit.ly/mukGOF #TESOL #CELTA #eltchat
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pysproblem81
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20/7/2011
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2:32
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@rliberni mulling over how new literacies (ie. chat/forum) provide visual record of spoken-style language - nt sure 2 what extent #eltchat
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mcneilmahon
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20/7/2011
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2:32
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@barbsaka #eltchat the classic 'what did you do at the weekend?' is a good place to start, but it's what you do during and after that's key
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:32
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OK. Promised that at the half hour we could switch to Situational (Transactional) English #eltchat Ready to segue?
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12mandown
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19/7/2011
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2:32
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RT @OUPELTGlobal: 10 Commandments for motivating language learners: #5 Promote learner autonomy http://oxford.ly/nix3wC #ELT #EFL #ESL #ELTchat
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gknightbkk
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20/7/2011
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2:33
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5) tell someone new about your party - we tell our favorite stories often #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:33
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I'm not very good at situational although do drama activities for it at times #eltchat
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gknightbkk
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20/7/2011
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2:33
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1) plan a talk about a birthday party 2) plan what you want to say 3) make sure you have the vocab 4) tell someone abt your party #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:34
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@hartle For example? #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:34
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@JoHart Nice idea! #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:34
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RT @hartle: Role plays that will spark a real exchange #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:34
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@pysproblem81 We have a chat convo on my site and it is ok like here - trying a video convo today 1st time - will see how it goes #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:34
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Role plays that will spark a real exchange #eltchat
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JoHart
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20/7/2011
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2:34
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@barbsaka #eltchat have in class break - bring food of culture to share & talk about
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:34
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Do you put students in situation and then pull out language? Or preteach language and then practice in context? #eltchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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20/7/2011
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2:34
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@barbsaka i'm ready here ^^ #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:35
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RT @chucksandy: i don't think real conversation happen during task time. it's what happens in breaks/side chats/before & after. #eltchat
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mcneilmahon
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20/7/2011
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2:35
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@barbsaka #eltchat both have their place, see which works better for that group of students (perhaps level might influence)
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PrettyButWise
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20/7/2011
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2:35
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@hartle agree and it's so lovely activity Ss love it #eltchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:35
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@hartle: RT @web2literacy: my TBL classes are all abt learners lives but when we're makin' stuff conversation's off task abt task #eltchat
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:35
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@chucksandy I'm with you on that one - just thinking about how we can have conversations based on the task itself #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:35
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@yitzha_sarwono I think it's counterproductive. They get tired. I prefer less but better English. #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:35
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RT @barbsaka: ...in situation and then pull out language? Or preteach language and then practice in context? #eltchat depends on level
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AuxSubjVb
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19/7/2011
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2:35
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RT @OUPELTGlobal: 10 Commandments for motivating language learners: #5 Promote learner autonomy http://oxford.ly/nix3wC #ELT #EFL #ESL #ELTchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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20/7/2011
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2:36
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@barbsaka here I usually have taught/discussed about the situation before asking them to jump in #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:36
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RT @rliberni: @hartle #eltchat Yes becoming a different character helps people conquer nerves
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mcneilmahon
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20/7/2011
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2:36
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RT @gknightbkk: 5) tell someone new about your party - we tell our favorite stories often #eltchat > this variable repetition very helpful!
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:36
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Anyone care to give an example of a situation you've used in class, and how you set up lesson? #eltchat
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JoeMcVeigh
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20/7/2011
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2:36
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In 1970s and 80s many books were situational: At the post office; at the bank Usually with model dialogs. Anybody still use those? #ELTchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:36
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RT @hartle: #eltchat A) yr car won0t start at red light. B9 someone in front of you won't move, yr late for a meeting
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:36
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@hartle have done an online role play really interesting people not self-conscious so really get into role - though message based #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:36
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#eltchat A) yr car won0t start at red light. B9 someone in front of you won't move, yr late for a meeting
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mcneilmahon
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20/7/2011
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2:37
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Do we need to change #eltchat to #eltinteraction? Or are we hoping for #elttransaction?
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:37
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RT @pysproblem81: Am in the UK, get learners to engage with texts they face in real situations in their lives http://bit.ly/nz1BIq #eltchat
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PrettyButWise
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20/7/2011
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2:37
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@web2literacy @chucksandy we can come up with new ideas for the topic itself or find out between lines info #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:37
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@yitzha_sarwono Including vocabulary and structures? #eltchat
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:37
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@chucksandy @hartle That's good though isn't it cos TBL is generating conversation and getting to know sts :) #eltchat
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pysproblem81
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20/7/2011
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2:37
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Am in the UK, get learners to engage with texts they face in real situations in their lives http://bit.ly/nz1BIq #eltchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:37
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@gknightbkk: in 1 of my books we've got a party planner activity:plan in groups, present, invite, choose most interesting. do it. #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:37
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RT @barbsaka: Anyone care to give an example of a situation you've used in class, and how you set up lesson? #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:37
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@JoeMcVeigh They didn't die. They just became the pairwork (ask your partner how to...) #ELTchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:37
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@hartle and the silly 'explain yourself scenarios can be fun too #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:38
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@rliberni Sounds like fun! #eltchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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20/7/2011
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2:38
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@barbsaka usually just the vocabulary/phrases needed #eltchat
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:38
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@pysproblem81 I like learners to bring things in from home to generate conversation e.g. photos etc #eltchat
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Berylaube
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20/7/2011
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2:38
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RT @barbsaka: Love @mcneilmahon idea of giving space where conversation might emerge in class. how can we do this? #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:38
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absolutely! RT @hartle: Even mundane roleplays can be brought to life with a touch of the unexpected #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:38
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@barbsaka I once did a role play about a wild west bank robbery to prac condits we ran it over 3 weeks, plan, do, regret #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:38
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Even mundane roleplays can be brought to life with a touch of the unexpected #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:38
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@mcneilmahon Too many characters lol #eltchat #eltinteraction #elttransaction
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vickyloras
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18/7/2011
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2:38
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RT @naomishema: RT @seburnt NNESTs and NESTs are both ok (unless you’re Bob Dylan) http://bit.ly/o6Xiuu - READ! REALLY IMPORTANT TOPIC #ELTCHAT
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yitzha_sarwono
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20/7/2011
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2:39
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@rliberni @barbsaka that sounds exciting ^^ re:wild west robbery #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:39
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RT @chucksandy: RT @web2literacy: cos TBL is generating conversation and getting to know sts > maybe.I think it provides space for lots to happen #eltchat
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:39
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#eltchat I love it when sts bring food into class - always plenty to talk about and changes social dynamics
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:39
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RT @web2literacy: cos TBL is generating conversation and getting to know sts > maybe.I think it provides space for lots to happen #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:39
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@JoeMcVeigh Still find those units in coursebook, just with less focus. Nowadays they are called 'Practical English'. #ELTchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:39
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RT @rliberni: @barbsaka I once did a role play about a wild west bank robbery : 3 weeks, plan, do, regret #eltchat Gr8t :-)
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ShellTerrell
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19/7/2011
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2:39
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American TESOL Institute Online Teaching Internship http://bit.ly/pJR8Ua #esl #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:40
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RT @rliberni: I once did a role play about a wild west bank robbery to prac condits we ran it over 3 weeks, plan, do, regret #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:40
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@barbsaka @yitzha_sarwono the group were from the Indonesian parliamentary office - they really let their hair down! #eltchat
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mcneilmahon
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20/7/2011
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2:40
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@rliberni Lovely change of perspectives in roleplay - plan, do, regret - can be used so often as a situational structure! Thanks! #eltchat
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cioccas
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20/7/2011
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2:40
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RT @pysproblem81: Am in the UK, get learners to engage with texts they face in real situations in their lives #eltchat <Same here in Aust'a
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:40
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RT @PrettyButWise: @web2literacy we can come up with new ideas for the topic itself or find out between lines info > sure :-) #eltchat
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pysproblem81
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20/7/2011
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2:40
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@web2literacy that's always good for conversation #eltchat
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vickyloras
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18/7/2011
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2:40
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RT @rliberni: #ELTMentor the online mentoring programme for new #esl/#efl teachers - get gr8 support! http://bit.ly/mukGOF #TESOL #CELTA #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:41
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RT @cioccas: RT @pysproblem81: Am in the UK.. #eltchat <Same here in Aust'a.. You're lucky in L1 English context :-)
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Marisa_C
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20/7/2011
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2:41
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This is a class happening right now as we speak #ELTchat - Ss having a ball being rude - but raising awareness :-)
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PrettyButWise
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20/7/2011
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2:41
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RT @cioccas: RT @PrettyButWise: isn't conversation higher than situational ? #eltchat < In my understanding, yes, higher level skill
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pysproblem81
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20/7/2011
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2:41
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@JoeMcVeigh Ever seen Skills for Life ESOL resources - very situational: http://bit.ly/ooTlaP #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:41
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RT @JoHart: @barbsaka #eltchat I have done with Indigenous adulrt students - for literacy not language. However have u seen http://bit.ly/eTsIx5
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yitzha_sarwono
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20/7/2011
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2:41
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RT @web2literacy: #eltchat I love it when sts bring food into class - always plenty to talk about and changes social dynamics
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:41
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@mcneilmahon @theteacherjames I loved the freedom and lack of deadlines which allowed us to run things for ages #eltchat
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JoHart
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20/7/2011
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2:41
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@barbsaka #eltchat I have done with Indigenous adulrt students - for literacy not language. However have u seen http://bit.ly/eTsIx5
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yitzha_sarwono
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20/7/2011
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2:41
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@rliberni @barbsaka oh wow! that is so cool ^^ #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:42
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@rliberni @mcneilmahon Such a great idea - love it! #eltchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:42
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RT @web2literacy: food is great:recently created class cookbook w/ fave recipes, cooked each others, had lunch w/ conversation:-) #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:42
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@Marisa_C Where is this class? #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:42
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RT @pysproblem81: @JoeMcVeigh Ever seen Skills for Life ESOL resources - very situational: http://bit.ly/ooTlaP #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:42
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RT @Marisa_C: This is a class happening right now as we speak #ELTchat - Ss having a ball being rude - but raising awareness :-)
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PrettyButWise
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20/7/2011
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2:42
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RT @chucksandy: RT @PrettyButWise: @web2literacy we can come up with new ideas for the topic itself or find out between lines info > sure :-) #eltchat
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aussieargie
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17/7/2011
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2:42
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RT @Marisa_C: New Blog post: "TEFL Matters Not" Please pass it on - every little publicity helps http://bit.ly/oj8xNJ #elt #esl #edchat #eltchat #edtech
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gknightbkk
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20/7/2011
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2:43
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common words in spoken English = I, me, my. Give the Ss space to talk about things important to self. #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:43
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.@hartle has a good point about L1 vs L2 situations. Eng-speaking country: real life. The rest of us: maybe, someday English :) #eltchat
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pysproblem81
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20/7/2011
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2:43
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@hartle not all our learners live in a very English-speaking context though.... #eltchat
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3ty3
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20/7/2011
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2:43
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Such model dialogues most definitely still used in Asia and -- I am willing to bet -- other parts of the world #eltchat
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:43
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@chucksandy nice one - any of this work online to look at? #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:44
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RT @barbsaka: Always good! RT @gknightbkk: common words in spoken English = I, me, my. Give the Ss space to talk about things important to self. #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:44
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RT @pysproblem81: @hartle not all our learners live in a very English-speaking context though.... #eltchat true
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timjulian60
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20/7/2011
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2:44
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RT @theteacherjames: @JoeMcVeigh Still find those units in coursebook, just with less focus. Nowadays they are called 'Practical English'. #ELTchat
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:44
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@pysproblem81 @JoeMcVeigh Do you think overly so sometimes? #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:44
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@clikman @chucksandy It's definitely useful dialogue, but different from everyday conversation I think. #ELTchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:44
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@JoHart Cool, Jo! Will explore later. Thanks! #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:44
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RT @pysproblem81: @JoeMcVeigh Ever seen Skills for Life ESOL resources - very situational: http://bit.ly/ooTlaP #eltchat looks good
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:44
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Always good! RT @gknightbkk: common words in spoken English = I, me, my. Give the Ss space to talk about things important to self. #eltchat
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missnoor28
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19/7/2011
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2:44
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RT @ShellTerrell: American TESOL Institute Online Teaching Internship http://bit.ly/pJR8Ua #esl #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:45
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RT @Marisa_C: @hartle at my centre - a CELTA Teaching Practice #eltchat aha, pity it osunded gr8t fun. I wanted to see it :-)
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:45
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@3ty3 Exactly. Everything with the tag #eltchat shows up in our stream. Perfect!
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:45
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RT @mcneilmahon: @barbsaka #eltchat but make sure the other SS have a reason to listen to thier my, me, I - listening a very big skill in conversation too
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mcneilmahon
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20/7/2011
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2:45
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@barbsaka #eltchat but make sure the other SS have a reason to listen to thier my, me, I - listening a very big skill in conversation too
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3ty3
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20/7/2011
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2:45
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@barbsaka Not entirely sure how to take part in this discussion -- just keep tagging #eltchat?
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:45
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RT @web2literacy: @chucksandy nice one - any of this work online to look at? > maybe some day :-) #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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20/7/2011
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2:45
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@hartle at my centre - a CELTA Teaching Practice #eltchat
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naomishema
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17/7/2011
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2:45
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@SandyMillin is bursting with ideas to keep us ALIVE: Take a photo: http://t.co/7KDjPie #eltchat #spedchat #deafed
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:46
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RT @barbsaka: One of my classes LOVES to practice English for travel situations, but NEVER... :) #eltchat so true of mine too :-)
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PrettyButWise
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20/7/2011
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2:46
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@3ty3 we still use them here in KWT but we try to apply them by the end on our daily life #eltchat
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gknightbkk
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20/7/2011
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2:46
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@mcneilmahon I teach learners to be cooperative listeners #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:46
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One of my classes LOVES to practice English for travel situations, but NEVER has to use English when they travel :) #eltchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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20/7/2011
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2:46
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@3ty3 true,model dialogue is pretty much what is being used around here #eltchat
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cioccas
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20/7/2011
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2:46
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@hartle @pysproblem81 Definitely lucky, and Ss so much more motivated to learn conversational & situational skills #ELTchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:46
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@theteacherjames: useful dialogue, but different from everyday conversation >wasn't suggesting it is.Conversation happened after #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:46
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@3ty3 yes, that's right put this on every tweet then it appears - RT other tweets you think have value and you're away! #eltchat
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web2literacy
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18/7/2011
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2:46
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RT @rliberni: #ELTMentor the online mentoring programme for new #esl/#efl teachers - get gr8 support! http://bit.ly/mukGOF #TESOL #CELTA #eltchat
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cioccas
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20/7/2011
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2:47
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@barbsaka I met a group of young Japanese Ss at Sydney airport on Sun - v.keen to practice conversational skills with me :) #ELTchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:47
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RT @theteacherjames: @chucksandy Yes, I was agreeing with you! > i know and would love to have -this- conversation :-) #eltchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:47
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RT @gknightbkk: @mcneilmahon I teach learners to be cooperative listeners #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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20/7/2011
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2:47
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@hartle It IS great fun - trainee very good and enjoying self thoroughly :-) #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:47
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@mcneilmahon True about listening being important skill. As important is how to show that you're listening :) #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:47
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@chucksandy Yes, I was agreeing with you! #eltchat
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JoeMcVeigh
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20/7/2011
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2:47
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@web2literacy Must organize syllabus somehow.! Grammar, situations, interests. Studs like models but anything can be overdone. #ELTchat
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cherrymp
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17/7/2011
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2:47
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TEFL Matters not – the story of Michael Prodromou http://bit.ly/nSRG3z plz read n spread the word - #eltchat #edchat #injustice
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vickyloras
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17/7/2011
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2:47
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RT @naomishema: @SandyMillin is bursting with ideas to keep us ALIVE: Take a photo: http://t.co/7KDjPie #eltchat #spedchat #deafed
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:48
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@chucksandy Needs to be a bit more aimless to be a conversation, right? ;-) #eltchat
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JoeMcVeigh
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20/7/2011
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2:48
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RT @pysproblem81: interesting article in Language Issues pointed out dialogs only allow for exchanges with no problems. #ELTchat good point
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:48
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RT @barbsaka: @mcneilmahon True about listening being important skill. As important is how to show that you're listening :) #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:48
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true! RT @pysproblem81: @cioccas Multilingual classes make conversations lessons much easier and more useful/genuine too #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:48
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RT @pysproblem81: @cioccas Multilingual classes make conversations lessons much easier and more useful/genuine too #eltchat
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pysproblem81
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20/7/2011
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2:48
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@cioccas Multilingual classes make conversations lessons much easier and more useful/genuine too #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:48
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RT @chucksandy: RT @gknightbkk: @mcneilmahon I teach learners to be cooperative listeners #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:48
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@cioccas Then they weren't my students :) #ELTchat
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Collaborative
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17/7/2011
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2:48
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#iatefl #eltchat #teacher #cheating How to expose the corrupt http://ht.ly/5Gnos
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:49
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@clikman Like it - sounds fiesty! (Don't forget the #ELTchat tag! :-) )
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yitzha_sarwono
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20/7/2011
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2:49
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@barbsaka @mcneilmahon yes, the skills on how to give reaction or show that you're listening is also needed #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:49
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@cioccas My students would be the seniors with the tour guide :) #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:49
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RT @cioccas: RT @pysproblem81: @cioccas Multilingual classes make conversations lessons much easier and more useful/genuine too #eltchat YES!
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gknightbkk
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20/7/2011
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2:49
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My spoken Japanese moved from transactional to interactional when I found a group of J people willing to let me talk #eltchat
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cioccas
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20/7/2011
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2:49
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RT @pysproblem81: @cioccas Multilingual classes make conversations lessons much easier and more useful/genuine too #eltchat YES!
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:49
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RT @cioccas: :) #ELTchat Yes this is the point stds ALWAYS want to speak and on Celta courses trainees often miss this work out!
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:49
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@JoeMcVeigh Most recent issue? #ELTchat
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pysproblem81
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20/7/2011
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2:50
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@JoeMcVeigh point of article was that learners were cast into subordinate position - not to challenge/assert rights #eltchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:50
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RT @theteacherjames: @chucksandy Needs to be a bit more aimless to be a conversation, right? ;-) > i think we're almost there.:-) #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:50
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@clikman yes, these r good & can ff up with writing letters, public meetings newspaper articles etc.. cover all skills #eltchat
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cioccas
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20/7/2011
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2:51
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RT @3ty3: @pysproblem81 @cioccas Multilingual or multicultural? #eltchat < Both in my case
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JoeMcVeigh
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20/7/2011
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2:51
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Blog post from last Friday: 5 Great Books for Teaching Speaking in the ELT Classroom: http://bit.ly/niStgr #ELTchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:51
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Yes! RT @hartle: The key, I think, whether situational or interpersonal is communication - as natural and meaningful as poss. #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:51
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The key, I think, whether situational or interpersonal is communication - as natural and meaningful as poss. #eltchat
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3ty3
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20/7/2011
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2:51
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@pysproblem81 @cioccas Multilingual or multicultural? #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:51
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Entering our final 10 minutes :) #eltchat (start thinking about who might want to write this EASY summary)
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:51
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@chucksandy :-D #eltchat
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:51
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@barbsaka @pysproblem81 @cioccas if you make the most of student / local knowledge I think 'monolingual' class conversations OK #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:52
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Found it The Art of Conversation http://bbc.in/oam0vv bbc nice :-) #eltchat
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clikman
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20/7/2011
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2:52
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@theteacherjames Dagnabbit! Always furgettin that there tag! #ELTchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:52
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RT @JoeMcVeigh: Blog post from last Friday: 5 Great Books for Teaching Speaking in the ELT Classroom: http://bit.ly/niStgr #eltchat
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educatorshelper
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20/7/2011
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2:52
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RT @JoeMcVeigh: Next book recommendation: Pragmatics: Teaching Speech Acts, Tatsuki & Houck, (Eds.) pub. by TESOL, Inc. 2010 http://bit.ly/q3wvKR #ELTchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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20/7/2011
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2:52
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RT @JoeMcVeigh: Blog post from last Friday: 5 Great Books for Teaching Speaking in the ELT Classroom: http://bit.ly/niStgr #ELTchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:52
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@JoeMcVeigh You are like a walking bibliography! Great links. Thanks! #ELTchat
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mcneilmahon
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20/7/2011
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2:53
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@theteacherjames #eltchat good conversation shouldn't be aimless, but has social aims, why listening part so important
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:53
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RT @theteacherjames: @clikman There you go! My advice: use Tweetdeck, it makes it easier. #ELTchat
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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2:53
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RT @pysproblem81: RT @cioccas: RT @3ty3: @pysproblem81 @cioccas Multilingual or multicultural? #eltchat < Both in my case #ditto
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:53
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@clikman There you go! My advice: use Tweetdeck, it makes it easier. #ELTchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:53
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@clikman Don't forget the #ELTchat we want to share all your brilliance :)
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yitzha_sarwono
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20/7/2011
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2:53
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@JoeMcVeigh just opened the link,Thanks so much #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:53
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RT @JoeMcVeigh: 5 Great Books for Teaching Speaking in the ELT Classroom: http://bit.ly/niStgr #ELTchat love this !
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pysproblem81
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20/7/2011
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2:53
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RT @cioccas: RT @3ty3: @pysproblem81 @cioccas Multilingual or multicultural? #eltchat < Both in my case #ditto
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:53
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RT @theteacherjames: @chucksandy :-D A glass of wine would be nice tho #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:54
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Art of conversation not always natural to native speakers either #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:54
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OK must dash to GapChat now :-) 1st video one wish me luck! #eltchat
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cioccas
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20/7/2011
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2:54
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RT @mcneilmahon: @theteacherjames #eltchat good conversation shouldn't be aimless, but has social aims, why listening part so important
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PrettyButWise
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20/7/2011
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2:54
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RT @hartle: The key, I think, whether situational or interpersonal is communication - as natural and meaningful as poss. #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:54
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@chucksandy Cup of tea for me, thanks... #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:54
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RT @rliberni: Found it The Art of Conversation http://bbc.in/oam0vv bbc nice :-) #eltchat ths looks good too :-)
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:54
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RT @mcneilmahon: @theteacherjames #eltchat good conversation shouldn't be aimless, but has social aims, why listening part so important
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yitzha_sarwono
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20/7/2011
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2:55
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@rliberni break a leg ^^ - just not yours though ;) #eltchat
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3ty3
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20/7/2011
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2:55
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@pysproblem81 @cioccas Really? How many languages happening in your classes? #eltchat
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cioccas
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20/7/2011
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2:55
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RT @hartle: Art of conversation not always natural to native speakers either #eltchat < Sure!
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:55
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@rliberni Luck! Thanks for the great moderating :-) #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:55
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Very true! RT @hartle: Art of conversation not always natural to native speakers either #eltchat
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cioccas
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20/7/2011
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2:55
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@rliberni Good luck! #ELTchat
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clikman
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20/7/2011
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2:56
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@barbsaka Sure about that? :) #ELTchat
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pysproblem81
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20/7/2011
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2:56
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@3ty3 I teach in London, so it can be as many as there are Ss! (>200 languages in London) #eltchat
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cioccas
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20/7/2011
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2:56
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RT @rliberni: Thanks as every to gr8 co-mods @barbsaka @chucksandy and @yitzha_sarwono experts in the art of conversation #eltchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:56
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@yitzha_sarwono @barbsaka @hartle @cioccas :-) #eltchat
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clikman
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20/7/2011
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2:56
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@theteacherjames Thanks, James. I use Tweetdeck "on&off" don't know why. Much more comfortable in this case. #ELTchat
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rliberni
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20/7/2011
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2:56
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Thanks as every to gr8 co-mods @barbsaka @chucksandy and @yitzha_sarwono experts in the art of conversation #eltchat
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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2:56
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RT @hartle: Thanks for the links, ideas and great discussion as well as the excellent moderators :-) #eltchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:56
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RT @hartle: Art of conversation not always natural to native speakers either > or to some conversation teachers out of class :-) #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:56
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@mcneilmahon I know, I was kidding around. But I think it has less fixed pedagogical aims than a normal lesson, in general. #eltchat
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cioccas
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20/7/2011
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2:56
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RT @3ty3: @pysproblem81 @cioccas Really? How many languages happening in your classes? #eltchat < Usually at least 10, often more!
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:57
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@clikman You can change the settings to automatically include hashtags when you reply. Made my life much easier, let me tell you.. #ELTchat
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gknightbkk
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20/7/2011
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2:57
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Do you like movies? "Yes i saw a movie last night?" "Oh good. Do you like tennis?" #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:57
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Just about at our limit tonight. Final thoughts? Convesation? Interaction? Situation? Transaction? Whatever you want to call it :) #eltchat
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mcneilmahon
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20/7/2011
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2:57
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@theteacherjames #eltchat but it shouldn't - it tends too which tends to lead to not such satisfactory classes, why convo SS don't attend
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PrettyButWise
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20/7/2011
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2:57
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time flyz ;p thnx 4 great chat #eltchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:57
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RT @theteacherjames #eltchat good conversation shouldnt be aimless but has social aims why listening part so important >i hear ya #eltchat
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JoeMcVeigh
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20/7/2011
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2:57
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RT @rliberni: Thanks as every to gr8 co-mods @barbsaka @chucksandy and @yitzha_sarwono experts in the art of conversation #eltchat
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aClilToClimb
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19/7/2011
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2:57
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RT @ShellTerrell: American TESOL Institute Online Teaching Internship http://bit.ly/pJR8Ua #esl #eltchat
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mcneilmahon
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20/7/2011
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2:58
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#eltchat my final thought - whether inter or trans, it needs to be planned and the aims of the lesson and the language both explicit
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cioccas
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20/7/2011
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2:58
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@pysproblem81 @3ty3 Sounds like our classes in Australia! Makes for great conversation :-) #ELTchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:58
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thanks for a lovely hour everyone. we should all meet up somewhere in the world for an evening of interaction & transaction ^^ #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:58
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@clikman Would have retweeted, but they were too long :( #ELTchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:58
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@clikman Absolutely sure....I tracked down your non-tagged tweets :) #ELTchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:59
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RT @JoeMcVeigh: Thanks all, esp our mods! #ELTchat Party at Chucks house ! > would love to have you Joe ... and ya'll :-) #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:59
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So, who wants to write the summary of this chat? Should be easy tonight--few people, easy topic :) #eltchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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2:59
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RT @gknightbkk: "Do you like movies?"Yes i saw a movie last night?""Oh good. Do you like tennis?>isn't that from our skype earlier? #eltchat
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alastairjgrant
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20/7/2011
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2:59
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A nice example of why and how - www.thornburyscott.com/assets/Speaking%20to%20learn%20edit.ppt #eltchat
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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2:59
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@mcneilmahon Perfect summary! #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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2:59
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@mcneilmahon Fair point which is why it's essential to do needs analysis & understand what the sts are there for. #eltchat
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JoeMcVeigh
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20/7/2011
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2:59
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Thanks all, esp our mods! #ELTchat Party at Chuck's house !
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little_miss_glo
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20/7/2011
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3:00
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RT @alastairjgrant: A nice example of why and how - www.thornburyscott.com/assets/Speaking%20to%20learn%20edit.ppt #eltchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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3:00
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RT @yitzha_sarwono: my lecturer used to say "master the art of conversation,not the blabbery" guess Ive the 2nd one > not you. #eltchat
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cioccas
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20/7/2011
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3:00
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@pysproblem81 Definitely! And I don't feel the need to travel so much anymore - the world comes to me ^_^ #ELTchat
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mcneilmahon
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20/7/2011
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3:00
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@barbsaka #eltchat I just did! :) (I will one day, but said too much to do it today :) )
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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3:00
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And don't forget to check out the #eltchat to find new people to add to your network!
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yitzha_sarwono
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20/7/2011
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3:00
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@rliberni @barbsaka @chucksandy my lecturer used to say "master the art of conversation,not the blabbery" guess I've the 2nd one :d #eltchat
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clikman
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20/7/2011
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3:00
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@barbsaka I liked what I read the other day here (dn't remember who by) re: getting s's to interact "Don't tell me! Tell him!" #ELTchat Bye!
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pysproblem81
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20/7/2011
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3:00
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@cioccas yep, end up learning more than I teach.... #eltchat
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mcneilmahon
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20/7/2011
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3:00
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@theteacherjames #eltchat completely agree - needs analysis is best place to start conversation course as well as all others
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BrainTrack
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19/7/2011
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3:00
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actually applies to a lot of jobs ....RT @ShellTerrell: The five stages of PD for teachers http://bit.ly/oJWO6z ~ @hoprea #eltchat
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PrettyButWise
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20/7/2011
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3:01
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RT @mcneilmahon: #eltchat my final thought - whether inter or trans, it needs to be planned and the aims of the lesson and the language both explicit
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clikman
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20/7/2011
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3:01
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@barbsaka I undrstnd. I'm still too wordy for twitter stll. I'll get there. #ELTchat
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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3:01
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@chucksandy Would love that #eltchat tweetup one day. Maybe Glasgow IATEFL?
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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3:01
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@mcneilmahon #eltchat That would make it easier, actually :)
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web2literacy
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20/7/2011
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3:01
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#ELTCHAT see you later - thanks for chat
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naomishema
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17/7/2011
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3:01
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so connected to reality! via @hartle Fast and Furiously Rushing: http://t.co/eJ5S2um #eltchat
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cybraryman1
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20/7/2011
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3:02
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Wed Chats Part I: #ELTchat (2) #ClavEd #ntchat #ptchat #2ndchat #libchat #stdntchat #yalitchat : http://tinyurl.com/3uwsgyk
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cioccas
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20/7/2011
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3:02
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Great to be back on #ELTchat after 2 weeks in SE Asia :-)
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gknightbkk
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20/7/2011
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3:02
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@yitzha_sarwono my lecturer used to say "We don't have conversations. Conversations have us" #eltchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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3:02
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RT @theteacherjames: Would love that #eltchat tweetup one day. Maybe Glasgow IATEFL? > I'll be there. Looking forward to meeting #eltchat
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cioccas
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20/7/2011
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3:02
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RT @theteacherjames: @chucksandy Would love that #eltchat tweetup one day. Maybe Glasgow IATEFL? < If only it were closer :(
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hartle
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20/7/2011
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3:02
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RT @chucksandy: thanks for a lovely hour everyone. we should all meet up somewhere #eltchat HOw abt a Google+ hangout??
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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3:02
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Still needing a summary writer! #eltchat Pretty please with sugar on top :)
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lu_bodeman
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20/7/2011
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3:03
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Waking up to a sunny morning. Finally. Sad part: I've just missed the AM #eltchat on Speaking. Will catch the PM one, on Reading, right?
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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3:03
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@chucksandy Great! Look forward to it. Hope we have an #eltchat symposium to go to.
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barbsaka
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20/7/2011
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3:03
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@cioccas Welcome back. You were missed. #ELTchat
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web2literacy
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17/7/2011
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3:03
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RT @naomishema: @SandyMillin is bursting with ideas to keep us ALIVE: Take a photo: http://t.co/7KDjPie #eltchat #spedchat #deafed
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theteacherjames
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20/7/2011
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3:04
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@barbsaka I'll do your summary. It's been a while since the last one, I think I'm due. #eltchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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3:04
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RT @gknightbkk: @yitzha_sarwono my lecturer used to say "We dont have conversations. Conversations have us" > love this! #eltchat
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cioccas
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20/7/2011
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3:04
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@barbsaka Gee, thanks Barb, and I missed you and everyone here too :0 #ELTchat
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chucksandy
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20/7/2011
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3:04
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RT @theteacherjames: Great! Look forward to it. Hope we have an #eltchat symposium to go to. > I think I'm on that panel :-) #eltchat
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