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Promoting Critical Thinking

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This is the transcript for the #ELTchat on July 13 2011 11P.M. British Summertime 

 

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

10:58

RT @bethcagnol: It's almost time for #ELTCHAT isn't it? > Yes :-)

akhssass

13/7/2011

10:58

understanding, comprehension and aplication of knowledge does not promote critical thinks skills ss need to read between the lines. #eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

10:58

It's almost time for #ELTCHAT isn't it?

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

10:59

Welcome to #ELTchat we are talking about developing Critical Thinking skills

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

10:59

RT @AtefAbdoo: Can't wait for #eltchat to start :) #elt #esl #efl  > promotion of Critical Thinking Promotion - hope 4 lots of ideas

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:00

RT @ShellTerrell: Welcome to #ELTchat we are talking about developing Critical Thinking skills

hartle

13/7/2011

11:00

Looking forward to this one #eltchat

larsgh1

13/7/2011

11:00

RT @Marisa_C: In a few minutes please join our 9 P.M. (British Summertime) #ELTchat on How to promote critical thinking

akhssass

13/7/2011

11:00

understanding, comprehension and application of knowledge does not promote CTS SS need to read between the lines #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:00

RT @akhssass: understanding, comprehension and aplication of knowledge does not promote critical thinks skills ss need to read between the lines. #eltchat

larsgh1

13/7/2011

11:00

RT @ShellTerrell: Welcome to #ELTchat we are talking about developing Critical Thinking skills

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:01

@ShellTerrell and me are going to be your moderators - if new to #ELTchat please ask us for help - remember to add the hashtag to ur tweets!

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:01

RT @ShellTerrell: Welcome to #ELTchat we are talking about developing Critical Thinking skills

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:02

@hartle not for me! #eltchat

hartle

13/7/2011

11:02

So, does critical thinking come naturally? #eltchat

akhssass

13/7/2011

11:02

we should encourage students  to sythesize , analyse and evalute content to improve critical thinking skills #eltchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:02

RT @bethcagnol: For the next hour, my tweets will be about #ELTCHAT. Come join us! Sorry if I fill up your twitter feed. #ELTCHAT is where it's at.

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:02

RT @bethcagnol: For the next hour, my tweets will be about #ELTCHAT. Come join us! Sorry if I fill up your twitter feed. #ELTCHAT is where it's at.

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:02

Good evening #eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:02

For the next hour, my tweets will be about #ELTCHAT. Come join us! Sorry if I fill up your twitter feed. #ELTCHAT is where it's at.

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:02

RT @Marisa_C: @ShellTerrell and me are going to be your moderators - if new to #ELTchat please ask us for help - remember to add the hashtag to ur tweets!

weemooseus

13/7/2011

11:02

@ShellTerrell So, what is the definition of "Critical Thinking Skills"? #ELTchat

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:02

4 a successful critical thinking Ss should be able to ask th right questions #eltchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:03

@bethcagnol Bon soir #ELTCHAT

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:03

#eltchat hi everyone!

pysproblem81

13/7/2011

11:03

#eltchat - Use graphic organisers to help critical thinking like: http://bit.ly/qf8gwZ #exploratree

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:03

@bcnpaul1 Hi Paul how are u? #eltchat

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:03

@hartle some Ss are naturally skilled #eltchat

akhssass

13/7/2011

11:03

no we sharppen our critical thinking skills not natural  #eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:03

@Fuertesun Bon soir Leahn! #ELTCHAT

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:03

RT @hartle: So, does critical thinking come naturally? #eltchat > To some it does but not to all - like all other abilities I guess

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:03

RT @hartle: So, does critical thinking come naturally? #eltchat <I don't think so. But maybe like common sense - some ppl do, some don't

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:03

for the next hr my tweets dedicated to #eltchat

NoraTouparlaki

13/7/2011

11:03

#eltchat@hartle it takes practice #eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:03

@Marisa_C @ShellTerrell Hourah to our #ELTCHAT moderators!! Marisa and Shelly!

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:03

RT @barbsaka: Have you voted for today's #ELTchat topic? http://bit.ly/oBZ3kJ There's still time! > And looks like I might be moderating too

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:04

RT @lu_bodeman: RT @pysproblem81: #eltchat - Use graphic organisers to help critical thinking like: http://bit.ly/qf8gwZ #exploratree >> Good idea

pysproblem81

13/7/2011

11:04

#eltchat - Reflect #ESOL takes a Freirian (sp?) approach to promoting critical thought/discussion see: http://bit.ly/nqk5q1

Zwrzi

13/7/2011

11:04

@hartle I believe it's both innate and acquired after educational training. By the way, hello, everyone! #eltchat

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:04

RT @pysproblem81: #eltchat - Use graphic organisers to help critical thinking like: http://bit.ly/qf8gwZ #exploratree >> Good idea

domi75P

13/7/2011

11:04

maybe critical thinking is a mature thing you can only teach the reasoning ... #eltchat

hartle

13/7/2011

11:04

RT @Fuertesun: @hartle not for me! #eltchat no, I think we tend to believe what we read far too readily #eltchat

eyespeakbrasil

13/7/2011

11:04

tweets dedicated to #eltchat for the next hour - thanks!

yitzha_sarwono

13/7/2011

11:04

RT @Marisa_C: RT @barbsaka: Have you voted for today's #ELTchat topic? http://bit.ly/oBZ3kJ There's still time! > And looks like I might be moderating too

akhssass

13/7/2011

11:05

what, where and when questions do not sharppen critical thinking skills. but, why , how , do you thing .... promote  CT #eltchat

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:05

it's never really been explicitly taught but I think it happens all the time #eltchat

CoreyBelliveau

13/7/2011

11:05

#eltchat students benefit from explicit teaching of thinking strategies.

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:05

RT @Zwrzi: @hartle I believe it's both innate and acquired after educational training. By the way, hello, everyone! #eltchat > Hi Georgia!

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:05

RT @NoraTouparlaki: @Marisa_C shouldn't we find ways  to help students promote their critical thinking? wondering.. #eltchat

MarianSteiner

13/7/2011

11:05

The real challenge is developing critical thinking in L2 when there are some cultural inhibitions to do it in L1 #eltchat

harrisonmike

13/7/2011

11:05

RT @pysproblem81: #eltchat - Reflect #ESOL takes a Freirian (sp?) approach to promoting critical thought/discussion  http://bit.ly/nqk5q1

NoraTouparlaki

13/7/2011

11:05

@Marisa_C shouldn't we find ways  to help students promote their critical thinking? wondering.. #eltchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:05

RT @Marisa_C: Crtical thinking a higher order thinking ability - right next to Creative thinking #ELTchat

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:05

RT @akhssass: we should encourage students  to sythesize , analyse and evalute content to improve critical thinking skills #eltchat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:05

Crtical thinking a higher order thinking ability - right next to Creative thinking #ELTchat

mickstout

13/7/2011

11:05

@Marisa_C @barbsaka Man! Wednesday is such a bad night for me :-( Hopefully I'll be able to join #ELTchat sometime during the summer break.

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:06

@hartle Graphic organisers are information gatherers not particularly oriented towards critical thinking  #eltchat #exploratree

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:06

RT @weemooseus: @ShellTerrell So, what is the definition of "Critical Thinking Skills"? #ELTchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:06

RT @MarianSteiner: The real challenge is developing critical thinking in L2 when there are some cultural inhibitions to do it in L1 #eltchat

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:06

@CoreyBelliveau What kind of strategies do you use with your students? #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:06

RT @Marisa_C: @ShellTerrell and me are going to be your moderators - if new to #ELTchat please ask us for help - remember to add the hashtag to ur tweets!

pysproblem81

13/7/2011

11:06

@Marisa_C yeah, I always feel an inductive approach helps... #eltchat

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:06

Some ss don't want to make the effort. I've tried, so I'm anxious to see what'll come up in today's #eltchat

hartle

13/7/2011

11:06

RT @pysproblem81: #eltchat - Use graphic organisers to help critical thinking like: http://bit.ly/qf8gwZ #exploratree >> Nice :-)

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:06

RT @MarianSteiner: The real challenge is developing critical thinking in L2 when there are some cultural inhibitions to do it in L1 #eltchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:06

RT @Marisa_C: Critical thinking a requirement if we are to use discovery learning and problem solving oriented teaching #ELTchat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:06

Critical thinking a requirement if we are to use discovery learning and problem solving oriented teaching #ELTchat

pysproblem81

13/7/2011

11:07

@sandymillin don't give them the grammar rule, etc... ask them to work it out from the evidence #eltchat

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:07

RT @theteacherjames: Teaching critical thinking can make our lessons really substantial & memorable.  #eltchat > agree with that

vickyloras

13/7/2011

11:07

RT @MarianSteiner: The real challenge is developing critical thinking in L2 when there are some cultural inhibitions to do it in L1 #eltchat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:07

It's HOW the learners use the information collected to make decisions that I think is important - in that sense they help #ELTchat :-)

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:07

@Marisa_C  I read graphic organizers can help with CT #eltchat #exploratree

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:07

RT @pysproblem81: @Marisa_C yeah, I always feel an inductive approach helps... #eltchat <may be a stupid question, but what's this?

akhssass

13/7/2011

11:07

If students believe everything the read, the shouldn t read. read between the lines #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:07

Me too! "@bcnpaul1: for the next hr my tweets dedicated to #eltchat"

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:07

@MarianSteiner Any input on getting through the inhibitions to do it in the L1? #ELTCHAT

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:07

RT @Marisa_C: Critical thinking a requirement if we are to use discovery learning and problem solving oriented teaching #ELTchat >> yes!

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:07

Teaching critical thinking is the kind of subject that can make our lessons really substantial & memorable.  #eltchat

vickyloras

13/7/2011

11:07

RT @Marisa_C: @hartle Graphic organisers are information gatherers not particularly oriented towards critical thinking  #eltchat #exploratree

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:08

RT @Marisa_C: Crtical thinking a higher order thinking ability - right next to Creative thinking #ELTchat there are a few steps on the way

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:08

#eltchat oops - that is poetry and stories

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:08

RT @bcnpaul1: RT @theteacherjames: Teaching critical thkg can make our lessons + substantial & memorable. #eltchat > agree with that >> me 2

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:08

@Fuertesun I suppose deciding on information categories can do sth towards developing critical thinking - yes  #eltchat #exploratree

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:08

@Marisa_C agree and it shows the development of L2 #eltchat

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:08

@ShellTerrell evenin' ms.shelly! :) #eltchat

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:08

#eltchat Our new program in Israel for high-school requires Eng TS to teach these skills through poetry. we've got a list of skills

NoraTouparlaki

13/7/2011

11:08

RT @Marisa_C: It's HOW the learners use the information collected to make decisions that I think is important - in that sense they help #ELTchat :-)

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:08

@Marisa_C Yes.. that's where they help #ELTchat

eyespeakbrasil

13/7/2011

11:09

Hi everyone, isnΒ΄t games based learning the best way to develop critical thinking? Esp for BE students. #eltchat

fceblog

13/7/2011

11:09

@MarianSteiner Interesting thought. Please say more. #ELTchat Hello from Buenos Aires!

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:09

@Marisa_C Ct or higher thinking? #ELTchat

akhssass

13/7/2011

11:09

Students send their piece of work around to others and each of them provides constructive feedback for improving the work. #eltchat

DougiesDen

13/7/2011

11:09

How much does improving Critical Thinking  hv 2 do with whts personally critical 2 the person?  #onesizefitsall  #ELTchat

hartle

13/7/2011

11:09

RT @Marisa_C: RT @NoraTouparlaki: @Marisa_C shouldn't we find ways  to help students... #eltchat I'm sure we http://ow.ly/1uAf4d our work

domi75P

13/7/2011

11:09

First they should be careful the words that lead to the meaning to learn critical thinking #eltchat

tdsig

13/7/2011

11:09

RT @naomishema: Just Posted: A Picture Guide to Being a Teacher http://bit.ly/p8tdeh #eltchat #deafed #spedchat

MarianSteiner

13/7/2011

11:09

@bethcagnol so far, letting sts do mind maps about topics really encouraged them to develop their own knowledge > experience #eltchat

AnthonyGaughan

13/7/2011

11:09

RT @naomishema: Just Posted: A Picture Guide to Being a Teacher http://bit.ly/p8tdeh #eltchat #deafed #spedchat

mkofab

13/7/2011

11:09

@naomishema  Can you elaborate on that please. How ? #eltchat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:09

@harrisonmike exactly - any discovery learning or language awareness activ involves critical thinking #ELTchat

harrisonmike

13/7/2011

11:09

Better than I put! RT @pysproblem81: @sandymillin don't give them the grammar rule, etc.. ask them to work it out from the evidence #eltchat

vickyloras

13/7/2011

11:09

RT @pysproblem81: @sandymillin don't give them the grammar rule, etc... ask them to work it out from the evidence #eltchat

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:09

@harrisonmike @pysproblem81 Thanks! #eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:09

I think @brad5patterson recent blog post is related to this #ELTCHAT http://t.co/tVov7bC

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:09

@mickstout :-(  haven't been able to moderate early chat myself for weeeks!  TP time  #ELTchat

Zwrzi

13/7/2011

11:10

@harrisonmike @pysproblem81 @sandymillin Teach them grammar inductively, that is! #eltchat

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:10

RT @CoreyBelliveau: #eltchat students benefit from explicit teaching of thinking strategies. > completely agree, so how to do it?

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:10

@harrisonmike I thnk so  #eltchat

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:10

RT @eyespeakbrasil:  isnΒ΄t games based learning the best way to develop critical thinking? Esp for BE students. #eltchat > it's one way

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:10

RT @vickyloras: With vocabulary,we should let them find out the meaning on their own-context #ELTChat

harrisonmike

13/7/2011

11:10

@Marisa_C How much depends on how engaged the students are, and how you direct it. Am I on the right lines? #eltchat

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:10

@naomishema What kind of things does the list include? #eltchat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:10

RT @vickyloras: With vocabulary,we should let them find out the meaning on their own-context #ELTChat

domi75P

13/7/2011

11:10

RT @eyespeakbrasil: Hi everyone, isnΒ΄t games based learning the best way to develop critical thinking? Esp for BE students. #eltchat

vickyloras

13/7/2011

11:10

With vocabulary,we should let them find out the meaning on their own-context #ELTChat

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:10

RT @Marisa_C:  any discovery learning or language awareness activ involves critical thinking #ELTchat > true & some forget this

domi75P

13/7/2011

11:11

RT @Marisa_C: RT @mcneilmahon: RT @CoreyBelliveau: #eltchat Include problem soliving activities and decision making games

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:11

RT @ShellTerrell: It's important students learn to question #eltchat

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:11

RT @mcneilmahon: RT @akhssass: what, where and when questions do not sharppen critical thinking skills. but, why , how , do you think... promote  CT #eltchat

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:11

In Korea I found critical skills lacking with many of (adult, teacher) sts. Me: What did you think of the film? St: It was good. #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:11

It's important students learn to question #eltchat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:11

RT @mcneilmahon: RT @CoreyBelliveau: #eltchat Include problem soliving activities and decision making games

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:11

What do we mean by CT?#eltchat

NoraTouparlaki

13/7/2011

11:11

RT @vickyloras: With vocabulary,we should let them find out the meaning on their own-context #ELTChat _so fro… (cont) http://deck.ly/~P0kcZ

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:11

RT @akhssass: what, where and when questions do not sharppen critical thinking skills. but, why , how , do you think... promote  CT #eltchat

hartle

13/7/2011

11:11

RT @Marisa_C: RT @vickyloras: With vocabulary,we should let them find out the meaning on their own-context #ELTChat

pysproblem81

13/7/2011

11:12

@harrisonmike I'd guess most things can be taken critically - just ask lots of the right questions.... #eltchat (gross oversimplication?)

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:12

@akhssass what's the four X theory? and the SQ4R? thanks! #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:12

RT @akhssass: Students send their piece of work around to others and each of them provides constructive feedback for improving the work. #eltchat

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:12

RT @NoraTouparlaki: RT @ShellTerrell: It's important students learn to question #eltchat ask for causes, find solutions, explanations etc

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:12

@ShellTerrell It's important students learn to question #eltchat >> Oh so true. And it's not always easy in one semester.

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:12

RT @vickyloras: With vocabulary,we should let them find out the meaning on their own-context #ELTChat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:12

@eyespeakbrasil Autonomy involves decision making certainly  #eltchat

TESOL_Assn

13/7/2011

11:12

RT @Marisa_C: The transcript for the 12 P.M. #ELTchat on the Best Web 2.0 Resources for ELT is now up!!!!  http://bit.ly/oWdNGY

CoreyBelliveau

13/7/2011

11:12

I believe that in order to be critical thinking, students need to make a decision or judgement about a topic or question #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:12

RT @harrisonmike: @Marisa_C How much depends on how engaged the students are, and how you direct it. Am I on the right lines? #eltchat

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:12

Asking students to make choices alone and then discuss w/partners is a good starting point #eltchat

NoraTouparlaki

13/7/2011

11:12

RT @ShellTerrell: It's important students learn to question #eltchat ask for causes, find solutions, explanations etc

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:12

RT @bcnpaul1: RT @eyespeakbrasil:  isnΒ΄t games based learning the best way to develop critical thinking? Esp for BE students. #eltchat > it's one way

hartle

13/7/2011

11:12

Learners need to ne aware of how the words writers choose and the content they pick reveals their attidtude and stance #eltchat

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:12

Problem solving and discovering new perspectives on things = CT #eltchat

eyespeakbrasil

13/7/2011

11:12

It might be best descibed as reflective, or contemplative - yes? #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:12

RT @Marisa_C: RT @mcneilmahon: RT @CoreyBelliveau: #eltchat Include problem soliving activities and decision making games

barbarabujtas

13/7/2011

11:12

for me critical thinking in ELT means learner autonomy

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:12

RT @ShellTerrell: It's important students learn to question #eltchat > and discuss various answers too :)

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:12

RT @theteacherjames: In Korea I found critical skills lacking with many of (adult, teacher) sts. Me: What did you think of the film? St: It was good. #eltchat

harrisonmike

13/7/2011

11:12

Ok, what kind of topics in particular are good for promoting critical thinking? Grammar if approached thru discovery learning &... #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:12

RT @theteacherjames: In Korea I found critical skills lacking with many of (adult, teacher) sts. Me: What did you think of the film? St: It was good. #eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:12

RT @Marisa_C: RT @vickyloras: With vocabulary,we should let them find out the meaning on their own-context #ELTChat

akhssass

13/7/2011

11:12

in grammar we use the fou X theory in reading SQ4R to promote CT #eltchat

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:13

Crit.Thinking is def. about developing autonomy & developing cognitive skills for lang. learning IMO #eltchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:13

@Marisa_C CLIL is good for CT...or HOTS #ELTchat

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:13

@domi75P and try their best to use new clear words lead to the targeted meaning #eltchat

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:13

Took a lot of work to try & draw them out, express & formulate opinions. Not about intelligence, but tools of expression & thought. #eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:13

@ShellTerrell I sometimes invite students to question my approach in the classroom. It shocks a few, but gets them thinking. #ELTCHAT

hartle

13/7/2011

11:13

RT @theteacherjames: In Korea I found critical skills lacking St: It was good. #eltchat Yes this use of "vague" adjectives very common.

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:13

Are any of you teachers of young or very young learners? And what kinds of crtitical thinking skills training can you include w YLs #ELTchat

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:13

RT @bethcagnol: @ShellTerrell It's important students learn to question #eltchat >> Oh so true. And it's not always easy in 1 semester.>true

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:13

7@hartle Critically viewing texts sounds interesting do u do this in class? #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:13

RT @domi75P: First they should be careful the words that lead to the meaning to learn critical thinking #eltchat

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:13

#eltchat the list includes inferences, perspective, identifying cause and effect,  evaluating, comparing classifying....

mkofab

13/7/2011

11:14

@theteacherjames  Might culture have sth to do with the extent to which CT is encouraged ? #eltchat

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:14

#eltchat Hello all dear eltchat friends !!

eyespeakbrasil

13/7/2011

11:14

RT @bethcagnol: @ShellTerrell I sometimes invite students to question my approach in the classroom. It shocks a few, but gets them thinking. #ELTCHAT

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:14

@Fuertesun As long as it's not just about learning /memorising the content - yes #ELTchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:14

@akhssass: in grammar we use the fou X theory in reading SQ4R to promote CT #eltchat I teach the SQ3R method too

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:15

RT @harrisonmike: Going out on a limb here: Coursebooks, when used in a linear fashion, and are the only resources DON'T promote critical thinking #eltchat

pysproblem81

13/7/2011

11:15

@mkofab definitely - Hofstede talks about 'power distance' varying between different cultures - high PD less likely to question.... #eltchat

barbarabujtas

13/7/2011

11:15

RT @Zwrzi: @mcneilmahon #eltchat Totally agree. Another starting point could be stop spoon-feeding the learners. #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:15

RT @barbarabujtas: RT @bcnpaul1: Crit.Thinking is def. about developing autonomy & developing cognitive skills for lang. learning IMO #eltchat

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:15

.@SeanBanville's series on ideas to change the world could be used to promote CT - change SS' view of world? http://bit.ly/qVT9aj #eltchat

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:15

RT@ShellTerrell "@akhssass: in grammar we use the fou X theory in reading SQ4R to promote CT #eltchat" I teach the SQ3R method too > ???

hartle

13/7/2011

11:15

RT @Fuertesun: 7@hartle Critically viewing do this in class? #eltchat Yes, see wiki work http://ow.ly/1uAfBp for advanced learners

akhssass

13/7/2011

11:15

@ShellTerrell @akhssass Survey question read recall reflect #eltchat

Zwrzi

13/7/2011

11:15

@mcneilmahon #eltchat Totally agree. Another starting point could be stop spoon-feeding the learners.

barbarabujtas

13/7/2011

11:15

RT @bcnpaul1: Crit.Thinking is def. about developing autonomy & developing cognitive skills for lang. learning IMO #eltchat

harrisonmike

13/7/2011

11:15

Going out on a limb here: Coursebooks, when used in a linear fashion, and are the only resources DON'T promote critical thinking #eltchat

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:16

#eltchat "the road not taken" was used for problem solving skills and inferences. Eng TS complaining bitterly should be taught in L1 first

eyespeakbrasil

13/7/2011

11:16

RT @theteacherjames: @mcneilmahon @CoreyBelliveau Give them juicy materials to interact with, prompt & stimulate debate in groups. Offer alt. opinions #eltchat

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:16

#eltchat critical thinking starts and ends at the students !

eyespeakbrasil

13/7/2011

11:16

@harrisonmike  youΒ΄re right there! #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:16

@barbarabujtas: RT @Zwrzi: @mcneilmahon #eltchat Totally agree. Another starting point could be stop spoon-feeding the learners. #eltchat

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:16

RT @Marisa_C: Are any of you teachers of young or very young learners? And what kinds of crtitical thinking skills training can you include w YLs #ELTchat

Zwrzi

13/7/2011

11:16

@bcnpaul1 #eltchat This requires time, though, doesn't it. You can't expect learner and Rome to be built in a day!

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:16

@Marisa_C YLs & CT - presentations work well, w//teens,  puzzles & online games w/YLs - both work well #eltchat

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:16

@mcneilmahon @CoreyBelliveau Give them juicy materials to interact with, prompt & stimulate debate in groups. Offer alt. opinions #eltchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:16

@Marisa_C Hi yes in Spain there's a lot of memorising info in content teaching try to steer clear of that #ELTchat

hartle

13/7/2011

11:16

RT @harrisonmike: Going out on a limb here: Coursebooks, when used in a linear fashion, and are the only resources DON'T promote critical thinking #eltchat

barbarabujtas

13/7/2011

11:17

cT is about knowing what we know and why + questioning routines, hm? #eltchat

akhssass

13/7/2011

11:17

Provide structured opportunities for students to think and work in pairs or groups #eltchat

hartle

13/7/2011

11:17

RT @sandymillin: .@SeanBanville's ...http://bit.ly/qVT9aj #eltchat Yes but not too overly prescriptive or just another imposition

pysproblem81

13/7/2011

11:17

@harrisonmike what's important in a good breakfast? Why do you think so ?#eltchat

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:17

RT @akhssass: @ShellTerrell @akhssass Survey question read recall reflect #eltchat

vbenevolofranca

13/7/2011

11:17

@Fuertesun Think critical thinking is a cultural issue. Since our dictatorship ended, seen improved ability to question amongst sts #eltchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:17

@harrisonmike good approach with YLs #eltchat

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:17

RT @mcneilmahon: Remember, understand, apply, analyse, evaluate, create - bllom's taxonomy - plan lessons going from bottom to top  #ELTchat

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:17

@Zwrzi true - it's something that has to be developed. sometimes difficult when t's change all the time w/diff. approaches #eltchat

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:17

@mkofab @domi75P Comes from the education system I think. Is it developed in the young or not? #eltchat

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:17

Remember, understand, apply, analyse, evaluate, create - bllom's taxonomy - plan lessons going from bottom to top  #ELTchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:17

RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 As long as we remember tho that with Yls critical thinking a DEVELOPING faculty and limitations to what they can process #eltchat

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:17

RT @MarianSteiner: @fceblog @mcneilmahon @sandymillin e.g. in CzechRep, lrnrs mostly expctd 2 accept thought, rather than develop own, need encourgmnt #eltchat

harrisonmike

13/7/2011

11:17

Simple things can promo critical thinking, e.g. breakfast - 'What did you eat?' Then 'Where did it come from?' 'Why did u eat it?' #eltchat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:17

@bcnpaul1 As long as we remember tho that with Yls critical thinking a DEVELOPING faculty and limitations to what they can process #eltchat

MarianSteiner

13/7/2011

11:17

@fceblog @mcneilmahon @sandymillin e.g. in CzechRep, lrnrs mostly expctd 2 accept thought, rather than develop own, need encourgmnt #eltchat

larsgh1

13/7/2011

11:18

RT @ShellTerrell: #eltchat its important teachers don't focus on the answer but more the process of searching for answers

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:18

@Zwrzi quality education stops at kindergarten :-(  #eltchat

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:18

@Marisa_C true - but it's a skills worth developing without it being expicit - good for life skills w/YLs as well as lang. #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:18

#eltchat its important teachers don't focus on the answer but more the process of searching for answers

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:18

@Zwrzi yes here it's all about that! #eltchat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:18

@Zwrzi Definitely  #eltchat

MarianSteiner

13/7/2011

11:18

RT @akhssass: Provide structured opportunities for students to think and work in pairs or groups #eltchat > Yes, this helps a lot

hartle

13/7/2011

11:18

RT @theteacherjames: @mcneilmahon @CoreyBelliveau Give them juicy materials to interact with, prompt & stimulate debate in groups. Offer alt. opinions #eltchat

Zwrzi

13/7/2011

11:18

@Fuertesun @Marisa_C #eltchat That's how the edu system works in Greece, too. Am I wrong,@Marisa_C ?A lot of memorising,esp in state schools

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:18

@vbenevolofranca yes it does depend on the society and situation....good point #eltchat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:18

@vbenevolofranca thanks for mentioning the politics of teaching or not teaching critical thinking in schools  #eltchat

weemooseus

13/7/2011

11:19

Is critical thinking reformulating a seemingly difficult problem into one we know how to solve? #ELTchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:19

RT @ayatawel: #eltchat , It has to start with young learners to develop effective CT as they grow up!!

NoraTouparlaki

13/7/2011

11:19

@vbenevolofranca  the same here in greece, with the whole mess in political situation, kids became more inquiring-minded! #eltchat

hartle

13/7/2011

11:19

Get stds to look at word choice: the difference btwn freedom fighters or terrorists for example & wht that reveals abt the writer #eltchat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:19

@bcnpaul1 I fully agree - but the specifications must be worded in specific and very relevant to the child ways  #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:19

RT @vbenevolofranca: @Fuertesun Think critical thinking is a cultural issue. Since our dictatorship ended, seen improved ability to question amongst sts #eltchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:19

RT @naomishema: #eltchat debating issues is good. building the case for your point of view includes lots of skills

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:19

#eltchat , It has to start with young learners to develop effective CT as they grow up!!

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:19

RT @bethcagnol: Throwing this in here: since many teach by example, how can teachers demonstrate critical thinking 4 their sts? #ELTCHAT

akhssass

13/7/2011

11:19

We should remember that learning only takes place when learners think. no thinking = no learning #eltchat

harrisonmike

13/7/2011

11:19

I think challenging expected behaviours and norms is a big part of critical thinking -not accepting the status quo #eltchat

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:19

#eltchat debating issues is good. building the case for your point of view includes lots of skills

mkofab

13/7/2011

11:19

RT @ShellTerrell: #eltchat its important teachers don't focus on the answer but more the process of searching for answers <agree!

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:19

@Marisa_C i think it's a little bit hard to use CT with young learners under 8 years but others are able #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:19

RT @MarianSteiner: RT @akhssass: Provide structured opportunities for students to think and work in pairs or groups #eltchat > Yes, this helps a lot

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:19

RT @barbarabujtas: RT @ShellTerrell: #eltchat its important teachers dont focus on the answer but more the process of searching for answers #eltchat

MarianSteiner

13/7/2011

11:19

spot on > RT @fceblog: I see. Probably a culture of not questioning the authority. Takes time to deal with that #eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:19

Throwing this in here: since many teach by example, how can teachers demonstrate critical thinking 4 their sts? #ELTCHAT

aueagle1

13/7/2011

11:19

RT @bcnpaul1: RT @eyespeakbrasil:  isnΒ΄t games based learning the best way to develop critical thinking? Esp for BE students. #eltchat > it's one way

domi75P

13/7/2011

11:19

Surely not RT @Marisa_C: @Zwrzi quality education stops at kindergarten :-(  #eltchat

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:19

RT @Fuertesun: @Zwrzi yes here it's all about that! #eltchat >> In Brazil too. :(

pysproblem81

13/7/2011

11:19

#eltchat - Don't know if this is a different debate - but how does CT aid language learning?

barbarabujtas

13/7/2011

11:19

RT @ShellTerrell: #eltchat its important teachers dont focus on the answer but more the process of searching for answers #eltchat

mkofab

13/7/2011

11:20

RT @harrisonmike: Stereotypes too, rich resource for picking apart from a critical viewpoint #eltchat> interesting! #eltchat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:20

@PrettyButWise agree fully - they CAN however make some decisions or observations if worded properly  #eltchat

vickyloras

13/7/2011

11:20

RT @harrisonmike: Stereotypes too, rich resource for picking apart from a critical viewpoint #eltchat

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:20

RT @harrisonmike: Stereotypes too, rich resource for picking apart from a critical viewpoint #eltchat >> Nice

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:20

always use a warmer w/adults & YLs - your day so far in smells/ colours / sounds etc. nice to get thought going in  a different way #eltchat

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:20

@mkofab @shellterrell and more on grammar and well formed speech also fluenty #eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:20

@ShellTerrell Can we also say the same thing in testing? Focus more on the process rather than the answer? #ELTCHAT

fceblog

13/7/2011

11:20

@ShellTerrell #eltchat Sometimes students expect a final word from the teacher. A right or wrong reduction. How to deal with that?

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:20

RT @sandymillin: .@SeanBanville's series on ideas to change the world could be used to promote CT - change SS' view of world? http://bit.ly/qVT9aj #eltchat

hartle

13/7/2011

11:20

RT @mkofab: RT @ShellTerrell: #eltchat its important teachers don't focus on the answer but more the process of searching for answers <agree!

harrisonmike

13/7/2011

11:20

Stereotypes too, rich resource for picking apart from a critical viewpoint #eltchat

MarianSteiner

13/7/2011

11:20

RT @ayatawel: #eltchat , It has to start with young learners to develop effective CT as they grow up!!

Zwrzi

13/7/2011

11:20

@bcnpaul1 #eltchat E.g. my edu training as a Ss involved lots of memorisation and it was difficult 4me to critically think when in the UK.

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:20

RT @ShellTerrell: #eltchat its important teachers don't focus on the answer but more the process of searching for answers

pjgallantry

13/7/2011

11:20

#eltchat my take on World Englishes and a proposed model: Citizens, Denizens, Commuters and Tourists http://t.co/0np53wp #efl #esol #elt

Collaborative

13/7/2011

11:20

#iatefl #eltchat #SL #Opensim 2-Way Cross-Platform #Hyperstreaming Config via Media-On-A-Prim http://ht.ly/5D9sG

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:21

RT @ShellTerrell: does age matter when teaching critical thinking? Different approaches? #eltchat

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:21

@NoraTouparlaki  I guess yes, they have to help develop it with teachers !!#eltchat

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:21

RT @harrisonmike: Simple things can promo C Thinking :breakfast 'What did you eat?' 'Where did it come from?' 'Why did u eat it?' #eltchat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:21

@akhssass Thinking about one's own learning takes a different kind of awareness but adds to and enhances critical thinking  #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:21

does age matter when teaching critical thinking? Different approaches? #eltchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:21

RT @bethcagnol: @ayatawel Agreed, but for those of us who teach adults, developing CT skills is a bit of a challenge. #ELTCHAT

domi75P

13/7/2011

11:21

In  CT answers are important too because they have to be justified and defended #eltchat

harrisonmike

13/7/2011

11:21

RT @mcneilmahon: RT @bcnpaul1: always use a warmer - your day so far in smells/ colours / sounds etc. nice to get thought going in  a different way #eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:21

@ayatawel Agreed, but for those of us who teach adults, developing CT skills is a bit of a challenge. #ELTCHAT

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:21

#eltchat Uh oh -testing is problematic. hotly debated here. kids that deal with thinking skills easier are rewarded regardless of studying

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:21

RT @bcnpaul1: always use a warmer - your day so far in smells/ colours / sounds etc. nice to get thought going in  a different way #eltchat

Zwrzi

13/7/2011

11:21

RT @ayatawel: #eltchat , It has to start with young learners to develop effective CT as they grow up!!

akhssass

13/7/2011

11:21

SS need to think about where they are in their learning where they need to go and how best to get there. this way they improve #eltchat

NoraTouparlaki

13/7/2011

11:21

@ayatawel so, could we say that the family contributes to their CT?? #eltchat

domi75P

13/7/2011

11:22

#eltchat I am not sure or why do we learn so much from our ss RT @ShellTerrell: does age matter when teachin… (cont) http://deck.ly/~3QvKF

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:22

@fceblog Interesting input (re: testing) #ELTCHAT

pysproblem81

13/7/2011

11:22

RT @bcnpaul1: RT @ShellTerrell: #eltchat its important teachers don't focus on the answer but more the process of searching for answers > definitely

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:22

follow up tasks to texts can be CT focused - SS given opp to mkae the topic and the language their own  #ELTchat #eltchat

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:22

@mcneilmahon do you have a good Bloom's Taxonomy link? #ELTchat

hartle

13/7/2011

11:22

RT @fceblog: @ShellTerrell #eltchat.Train thm to accept you as human, get them to analyse yr language. Wht does it reveal abtyr attitudes?

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:22

RT @ShellTerrell: #eltchat its important teachers don't focus on the answer but more the process of searching for answers > definitely

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:22

@bethcagnol That's why YL teachers have to start it early !! to help u !! #eltchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:22

@ShellTerrell I think it's easier with kids.. teach em to question things... adults u assume they have CT skills #eltchat

vickyloras

13/7/2011

11:22

RT @bethcagnol: @ayatawel Agreed, but for those of us who teach adults, developing CT skills is a bit of a challenge. #ELTCHAT

fceblog

13/7/2011

11:22

@bethcagnol We can. I think they need to be invited to focus on the process of the test, before they know the mark. #ELTchat

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:22

RT @harrisonmike: Simple things can promo critical thinking, e.g. breakfast - 'What did you eat?' Then 'Where did it come from?' 'Why did u eat it?' #eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:22

I mean, what about CT and Testing? Can the two live in harmony? #ELTCHAT

kyraocity

13/7/2011

11:23

RT @mariansteiner: RT @akhssass: Provide structured opportunities for students to think and work in pairs or groups #eltchat > helps a lot

LindsayMaple

13/7/2011

11:23

RT @akhssass: Students send their piece of work around to others and each of them provides constructive feedback for improving the work. #eltchat

Dru_Step

13/7/2011

11:23

#eltchat As Adv teacher I spend my first term getting sts out of non-crit thnking methods. Get a lot of "Just give us the answer!!" begging!

MarianSteiner

13/7/2011

11:23

RT @ShellTerrell: does age matter? Different approaches? #eltchat > Yes, altho using games & fun to ease the stress w/ adults helped a lot

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:23

@fceblog @shellterrell by asking questions might help them to have their own finaal word not depending the teacher's opinion #eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:23

@ayatawel :-) #ELTCHAT

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:23

RT @bcnpaul1: RT @pysproblem81: #eltchat - Don't know if this is a different debate - but how does CT aid language learning? > good question!

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:23

RT @sandymillin: @mcneilmahon do you have a good Bloom's Taxonomy link? #ELTchat Not on me, but I'm gonna be looking into him more soon

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:23

@vickyloras  yes of course !!that's the point !!#eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:23

@fceblog I think they would need to be told right from the beginning, though. #ELTCHAT

little_miss_glo

13/7/2011

11:23

RT @bethcagnol: @ayatawel Agreed, but for those of us who teach adults, developing CT skills is a bit of a challenge. #ELTCHAT

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:23

RT @pysproblem81: #eltchat - Don't know if this is a different debate - but how does CT aid language learning? > good question!

harrisonmike

13/7/2011

11:23

@bethcagnol More like challenging preconceived ideas, opinions and behaviours, dare I say it, prejudices? #eltchat CT with adults

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:23

RT @ShellTerrell: #eltchat its important teachers don't focus on the answer but more the process of searching for answers

hartle

13/7/2011

11:23

RT @naomishema: #eltchat Uh oh -testing is problematic. hotly debated here. kids that deal with thinking skills easier are rewarded regardless of studying

barbarabujtas

13/7/2011

11:23

RT @Fuertesun: @ShellTerrell I think its easier with kids.. teach em to question things... adults u assume they have CT skills #eltchat

vickyloras

13/7/2011

11:23

@bethcagnol @ayatawel And i've noticed,sometimes it's more difficult to get CT out of adults than kiddos #ELTCHat

Yohimar

13/7/2011

11:23

RT @Marisa_C: RT @barbsaka: Have you voted for today's #ELTchat topic? http://bit.ly/oBZ3kJ There's still time! (cont) http://tl.gd/bmudv2

pysproblem81

13/7/2011

11:24

@bethcagnol Depends on the test, I'd say #eltchat

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:24

RT @ShellTerrell: #eltchat its important teachers don't focus on the answer but more the process of searching for answers

SpinLingo

13/7/2011

11:24

@Marisa_C create a situation where the question/answer is too obvious, encourage the student to look for the smart answer #ELTchat

march4teachers

13/7/2011

11:24

RT @ShellTerrell: #eltchat its important teachers don't focus on the answer but more the process of searching for answers

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:24

RT @mcneilmahon: RT @bethcagnol: I mean, what about CT and Testing? Can the two live in harmony? #ELTCHAT > definitely if test well-constructed

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:24

RT @harrisonmike: @bethcagnol More like challenging preconceived ideas, opinions and behaviours, dare I say it, prejudices? #eltchat CT with adults

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:24

#eltchat when the tests are only based on thinking skills there is serious disparity between one test to another and kids stop studying

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:24

@bcnpaul1 Yes good question, don't have to be a CT to be an advanced ss  #eltchat

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:24

RT @bethcagnol: I mean, what about CT and Testing? Can the two live in harmony? #ELTCHAT > definitely if test well-constructed

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:24

@vickyloras @ayatawel Sometimes it's like pulling teeth, actually. #ELTCHAT

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:24

RT @bethcagnol: I mean, what about CT and Testing? Can the two live in harmony? #ELTCHAT >>Excellent question!

brad5patterson

13/7/2011

11:24

RT @ShellTerrell Does age matter ? Different approaches? #eltchat >>> prob diff topics 4 younger crowd, tho still critical thinking, no ?

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:24

@sandymillin Yes I do  #ELTchat But here is a different one for teacher of YLs http://bit.ly/rr3jpf

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:24

@bethcagnol The way we test CT is the key !!#eltchat

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:25

RT @naomishema: #eltchat debating issues is good. building the case for your point of view includes lots of skills

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:25

RT @Fuertesun: @ShellTerrell... adults u assume they have CT skills #eltchat > dangerous assumption

kyraocity

13/7/2011

11:25

RT @harrisonmike: I think challenging expected behaviours and norms is a big part of critical thinking-not accepting the status quo #eltchat

LindsayMaple

13/7/2011

11:25

RT @barbarabujtas: RT @bcnpaul1: Crit.Thinking is def. about developing autonomy & developing cognitive skills for lang. learning IMO #eltchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:26

@akhssass but thinking and CT are different right? #eltchat

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:26

@pysproblem81: #eltchat - but how does CT aid language learning? > added processing of language involved in CT aids acquisition

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:26

@pysproblem81 I think it also depends on the test developer. #ELTCHAT

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:26

RT @naomishema: #eltchat debating issues is good. building the case for your point of view includes lots of skills

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:26

Here is a nice wiki with Blooms http://bit.ly/ZBHi9  #ELTchat :-)

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:26

CT aid developing L2 and increases the vocabulary and reinforces grammar and well forming speech #eltchat

misuzb

13/7/2011

11:26

@aClilToClimb And I like Bubbl.us #Eltchat What do you like about Spider?

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:26

@naomishema That's why a test is not only CT !!#eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:26

@naomishema I have to agree, sadly. CT can't be the only thing that's tested. #ELTCHAT

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:26

RT @akhssass: We should remember that learning only takes place when learners think. no thinking = no learning #eltchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:26

@mcneilmahon Yes but is it my job as an ELT teacher to teach CT skills to adults????? kind of feel duty bound with kids..  #eltchat

brad5patterson

13/7/2011

11:26

RT @kyraocity: RT @harrisonmike: I think challenging expected behaviours and norms is a big part of critical thinking-not accepting the status quo #eltchat

fceblog

13/7/2011

11:26

@mcneilmahon @sandymillin #ELTchat Bloom's taxonomy: http://t.co/us9T2mu Help yourselves!

harrisonmike

13/7/2011

11:27

RT @mcneilmahon: RT @Dru_Step: #eltchat Get a lot of "Just give us the answer!!" begging! > It def takes patience and perserverance to promote CT

domi75P

13/7/2011

11:27

As an EFL teacher I would say link words and modals ;-)  RT @mcneilmahon: @pysproblem81: #eltchat - but how do… (cont) http://deck.ly/~UDQFA

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:27

@naomishema Do u have tests depending only on CT !! That's not very nice !! and not totally perfect !!#eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:27

RT @bcnpaul1: RT @pysproblem81: #eltchat - Don't know if this is a different debate - but how does CT aid language learning? > good question!

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:27

RT @Dru_Step: #eltchat Get a lot of "Just give us the answer!!" begging! > It def takes patience and perserverance to promote CT

akhssass

13/7/2011

11:27

Activating students as owners of their own learning and as instructional resources for one another has many benefits #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:27

RT @Dru_Step: #eltchat As Adv teacher I spend my first term getting sts out of non-crit thnking methods. Get a lot of "Just give us the answer!!" begging!

AtefAbdoo

13/7/2011

11:27

Sorry for being late :( , Can we talk about some practical ideas to promote CT to YLs? #eltchat

harrisonmike

13/7/2011

11:27

@pysproblem81 Not with the Adult Literacy Test!! #eltchat Or Skills for Life ESOL

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:27

@mcneilmahon Working out and figuring meaning, form, function, register etc part and parcel of language learning and neec CT #eltchat

barbarabujtas

13/7/2011

11:27

RT @Marisa_C: Here is a nice wiki with Blooms http://bit.ly/ZBHi9  #ELTchat :-) #eltchat

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:27

@bethcagnol @vickyloras @ayatawel Like pulling teeth? Amen to that! #ELTCHAT

vickyloras

13/7/2011

11:27

RT @bethcagnol: @naomishema I have to agree, sadly. CT can't be the only thing that's tested. #ELTCHAT

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:27

RT @mcneilmahon: : #eltchat - but how does CT aid language learning?  added processing of language involved in CT aids acquisition

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:27

RT @brad5patterson: RT @ShellTerrell Does age matter ? Different approaches? #eltchat >>> prob diff topics 4 younger crowd, tho still critical thinking, no ?

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:27

RT @naomishema: #eltchat when the tests are only based on thinking skills there is serious disparity between one test to another and kids stop studying

NoraTouparlaki

13/7/2011

11:28

@MarianSteiner if you were a politician....you'd say that definitely:) #eltchat

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:28

@naomishema I guess u don't show it, u let them do it !!#eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:28

(side note) day-before 14th-of-July fireworks! Yay! #ELTCHAT

hartle

13/7/2011

11:28

Here's a powerpoint of Bloom, bt don't know id it's any gd. No Flash in my ipad http://ow.ly/1uAgJg #eltchat

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:28

RT @harrisonmike: I think challenging expected behaviours and norms is a big part of critical thinking-not accepting the status quo #eltchat

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:28

RT @vbenevolofranca: @mcneilmahon @bcnpaul1 Great idea 4 YL. If they see things different points of view gr8 start to critical thinking in ELT class #eltchat

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:28

RT @akhssass: Activating students as owners of their own learning and as instructional resources for one another has many benefits #eltchat

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:28

#eltchat - i didn't manage to follow - how can the teacher show use of CT to the ss?

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:28

Is anyone using Global? #eltchat

vbenevolofranca

13/7/2011

11:28

@mcneilmahon @bcnpaul1 Great idea 4 YL. If they see things different points of view gr8 start to critical thinking in ELT class #eltchat

Dru_Step

13/7/2011

11:28

#eltchat I find taking thought-process from "I" to to "why/how" helps e.g. I learn English -> How do people learn languages? ...

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:28

@Fuertesun @mcneilmahon I think it's our duty to give them the opportunity. #ELTCHAT

MarianSteiner

13/7/2011

11:28

oops.. I almost wrote critical thinking kills ... :) #eltchat

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:29

@Fuertesun no, but you'll teach language 'better' if you include CT, it motivates, engages and helps acquisition  #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:29

RT @Marisa_C: I think @grahamstanley s blog on games based learning is a great place to look for materials for Ct #ELTchat

akhssass

13/7/2011

11:29

Students develop questions to deepen their own understanding of the topic being studied. #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:29

#ELTchat shouldn't we put students in situations where they don't know all the English so they use CT skills to understand?

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:29

RT @shhartley: Dare I say, @ShellTerrell and @harrisonmike that course books are about 'teaching to the test'. #eltchat > i think it depends

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:29

I think @grahamstanley s blog on games based learning is a great place to look for materials for Ct #ELTchat

domi75P

13/7/2011

11:29

Showing how different one same news is shown on different TV or newspapers RT @naomishema: #eltchat - i didn'… (cont) http://deck.ly/~H03H8

brad5patterson

13/7/2011

11:29

RE: @bcnpaul1 how does CT aid language learning? >>> "owning" the language, confidence dealing with issues/challenging expression #eltchat

pysproblem81

13/7/2011

11:29

@harrisonmike assessing learners ability to understand, but not express themselves always seems slightly sinister #eltchat

shhartley

13/7/2011

11:29

Dare I say, @ShellTerrell and @harrisonmike that course books are about 'teaching to the test'. #eltchat

Dru_Step

13/7/2011

11:29

#eltchat which leads to global, not personal thinking. It's the analytical rather than the statement.

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:29

@naomishema Maybe through "what if.." questions? #eltchat

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:29

@ayatawel #eltchat - some national tests are unseen passages with questions (many CT) kids don't study for them

akhssass

13/7/2011

11:30

Students check their own work against a marking scheme so that they can internalize the characteristics of good work and reflect. #eltchat

NoraTouparlaki

13/7/2011

11:30

@ShellTerrell surive in an uncertain environment and try to find out things on their own! #ELTchat

pysproblem81

13/7/2011

11:30

RT @mcneilmahon: @pysproblem81: #eltchat - but how does CT aid language learning? > added processing of language involved in CT aids acquisition

domi75P

13/7/2011

11:30

@theteacherjames gr8 IDEA #ELTCHAT

fceblog

13/7/2011

11:30

@bethcagnol For classroom management reasons, yes, they need to be told at the beginning. #ELTchat

hoprea

13/7/2011

11:30

RT @theteacherjames: The arts offer great opp to get sts to engage. Ask them to bring their favourite painting/film, & explain/justify why they like it. #ELTCHAT

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:30

RT @theteacherjames: The arts offer great opp to get sts to engage. Ask them to bring their favourite painting/film, & explain/justify why they like it. #ELTCHAT

pysproblem81

13/7/2011

11:30

RT @mcneilmahon: @Fuertesun no, but you'll teach language 'better' if you include CT, it motivates, engages and helps acquisition  #eltchat

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:30

The arts offer great opp to get sts to engage. Ask them to bring their favourite painting/film, & explain/justify why they like it. #ELTCHAT

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:30

@Dru_Step yeah choosing the right questions and forming the correct sentences show a successful CT #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:30

RT @akhssass: Students develop questions to deepen their own understanding of the topic being studied. #eltchat

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:30

RT @bcnpaul1: always use a warmer w/adults & YLs - your day so far in smells/ colours / sounds etc. nice to get thought going in  a different way #eltchat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:30

RT @akhssass: Students develop questions to deepen their own understanding of the topic being studied. #eltchat > Yes!

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:30

RT @brad5patterson: RE: @bcnpaul1 how does CT aid language learning? >>> "owning" the language, confidence dealing with issues/challenging expression #eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:30

@MarianSteiner OOps! LOL. #ELTCHAT

domi75P

13/7/2011

11:30

RT @ShellTerrell: #ELTchat shouldn't we put students in situations where they don't know all the English so th… (cont) http://deck.ly/~UgHPt

Collaborative

13/7/2011

11:30

#eltchat Stop #teacher #cheating > Spell out how scoring results improve - #EU language levels http://ht.ly/5D9PW

hartle

13/7/2011

11:31

RT @theteacherjames: The arts offer great opp to get sts to engage. Ask them to bring their favourite painting/film, & explain/justify why they like it. #ELTCHAT

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:31

@ShellTerrell yeah agree they will learn something #eltchat

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:31

@Marisa_C  They go as far as apply and analyze, but not so much evaluate and create perhaps?  #eltchat

barbarabujtas

13/7/2011

11:31

RT @hartle: Blooms taxonomy rebranded by Crathwell: Know, comprehend,  apply, analyse, evaluate, create #eltchat

brad5patterson

13/7/2011

11:31

RT @MarianSteiner: oops.. I almost wrote critical thinking kills ... :) #eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:31

@fceblog And I also think it's ethical to tell them what's expected in the beginning. #ELTCHAT

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:31

RT @hartle: Bloom's taxonomy rebranded by Crathwell: Know, comprehend,  apply, analyse, evaluate, create #eltchat

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:31

@bcnpaul1 Have used Global a bit, & I liked it. Very interesting approach. #eltchat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:31

@akhssass That's a good idea promoting a variety of decision making processes  #eltchat

hartle

13/7/2011

11:31

Bloom's taxonomy rebranded by Crathwell: Know, comprehend,  apply, analyse, evaluate, create #eltchat

vbenevolofranca

13/7/2011

11:31

@ShellTerrell Not sure age matters. Children discover their own voices. When asked to draw, kids will represent things differently..#eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:31

@fceblog Agreed! #ELTCHAT

mkofab

13/7/2011

11:32

@bcnpaul1 Thanks! #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:32

RT @theteacherjames: The arts offer great opp to get sts to engage. Ask them to bring their favourite painting/film, & explain/justify why they like it. #ELTCHAT

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:32

#eltchat one gripe here is that high-level students are required to NAME the skill they used to answer a question related to the literature

MarianSteiner

13/7/2011

11:32

RT @theteacherjames: The arts offer great opp to get sts to engage. Ask them to bring their favourite painting/film, & explain/justify why they like it. #ELTCHAT

fceblog

13/7/2011

11:32

@MarianSteiner My experience on culture of not questioning authority. http://t.co/V4F0KR4 #ELTchat

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:32

RT @mkofab: @theteacherjames Sorry, but what  exactly is Global ? #eltchat > A CT coursebook

vbenevolofranca

13/7/2011

11:32

@clikman @Fuertesun Oh yes, political climate effects all aspects in classroom dynamics for sure! #eltchat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:32

@mkofab it's a coursebook  #eltchat

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:32

RT @mkofab: @theteacherjames Sorry, but what  exactly is Global ? #eltchat >was going to ask that too

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:32

#ELTchat Improving comprehension, evaluating the language & choosing right way to express oneself requires a lot of CT

hartle

13/7/2011

11:32

RT @theteacherjames: @bcnpaul1 Have used Global a bit, & I liked it. Very interesting approach. #eltchat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:32

@mcneilmahon you mean YL's?  #eltchat

mkofab

13/7/2011

11:32

@theteacherjames Sorry, but what  exactly is Global ? #eltchat

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:32

RT @bethcagnol: @fceblog And I also think it's ethical to tell them what's expected in the beginning. #ELTCHAT >>YES!

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:32

RT @theteacherjames: @bcnpaul1 Have used Global a bit, & I liked it. Very interesting approach. #eltchat > I agree. It's subtly different

brad5patterson

13/7/2011

11:32

RT @theteacherjames: The arts offer great opp to get sts to engage. Ask them to bring their favourite painting/film, & explain/justify why they like it. #ELTCHAT

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:33

@PrettyButWise: @mcneilmahon @marisa_c we can ask them later to evaluate each others in the class and to suggest ideas #eltchat good idea!

LindsayMaple

13/7/2011

11:33

RT @naomishema: #eltchat debating issues is good. building the case for your point of view includes lots of skills

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:33

I think ELT teachers have a harder job in countries where school does NOT promote CT #ELTchat - no wonder Ss want the T to answer all Qs

eyespeakbrasil

13/7/2011

11:33

Well, I guess CT is about giving students the tools and making them responsible and accountable #eltchat

vbenevolofranca

13/7/2011

11:33

RT @MarianSteiner: RT @ShellTerrell: does age matter? Different approaches? #eltchat > Yes, altho using games & fun to ease the stress w/ adults helped a lot

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:33

@mcneilmahon @marisa_c we can ask them later to evaluate each others in the class and to suggest ideas #eltchat

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:33

@bcnpaul1 Yes on a CELTA course, SS like it, Teachers not so sure  #eltchat

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:34

@ShellTerrell @theteacherjames strongly agree and any thing related to their life #eltchat

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:34

@lu_bodeman @mkofab Read about it here: http://bit.ly/nbcuvF #shamelessplug #eltchat

NoraTouparlaki

13/7/2011

11:34

RT @Marisa_C: I think ELT teachers have a harder job in countries where school does NOT promote CT #ELTchat … (cont) http://deck.ly/~vwMkG

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:34

@Fuertesun how about finding solutions? #eltchat

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:34

@Marisa_C  That's right !! but a teacher has to fight for it , i believe !!#eltchat

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:34

RT @Dru_Step: #eltchat As Adv teacher I spend my first term getting sts out of non-crit thnking methods. Get a lot of "Just give us the answer!!" begging!

MarianSteiner

13/7/2011

11:34

RT @brad5patterson: RT @Marisa_C @grahamstanley s blog on games based learning= great place to look for materials for Ct #ELTchat >>> agree. was reading it 2day

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:34

@domi75P Thanks. It doesn't have to be complicated, it's just about provoking thoughts.@lu_bodeman #eltchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:34

CT involves asking questions,examining evidence, defining a problem, avoiding emotional reasoning, tolerating ambiguity..what else? #eltchat

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:34

@mcneilmahon Really? more than anything its a relief from English File!! #eltchat

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:34

when challenging students, how far do you go? e.g. in Czech Rep, found lots of anti-Gypsy feelings - challenged them, but difficult #eltchat

brad5patterson

13/7/2011

11:34

RT @Marisa_C @grahamstanley s blog on games based learning= great place to look for materials for Ct #ELTchat >>> agree. was reading it 2day

Zwrzi

13/7/2011

11:35

@eyespeakbrasil #eltchat And not only inside the classroom, but outside of it, as well!

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:35

we as teachers have to be clever enough to integrate CT into our courses and syllabus !!#eltchat

brad5patterson

13/7/2011

11:35

Isn't CT simply good education, be it in #efl #history #physics ?  So we use it too in our field. #eltchat

mkofab

13/7/2011

11:35

@theteacherjames  Ta for link #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:35

RT @MarianSteiner: RT @ShellTerrell: does age matter? Different approaches? #eltchat > Yes, altho using games & fun to ease the stress w/ adults helped a lot

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:35

RT @Fuertesun: @Marisa_C Yes... problem solving activities great for that... A baby is crying why?  #eltchat

barbarabujtas

13/7/2011

11:35

apart from political environment and schools consumerism is  also  a factor concerning ct #eltchat

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:35

RT @Fuertesun: @mcneilmahon Yes but is it my job as an ELT teacher to teach CT skills to adults????? kind of feel duty bound with kids..  #eltchat

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:35

@PrettyButWise @ShellTerrell Yes, they absolutely must care about it. #eltchat

web2literacy

13/7/2011

11:35

#eltchat hi all just come in here - is it critical thinking and language teaching tonight?

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:35

RT @Marisa_C: I think ELT teachers have a harder job in countries where school does NOT promote CT #ELTchat - no wonder Ss want the T to answer all Qs

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:35

@Marisa_C Yes... problem solving activities great for that... A baby is crying why?  #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:35

RT @eyespeakbrasil: Well, I guess CT is about giving students the tools and making them responsible and accountable #eltchat

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:35

@theteacherjames Thanks! Will do. #eltchat

akhssass

13/7/2011

11:35

SS write Qs about anything they want more information about or that they are unclear about. T changes future teaching if needed. #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:35

RT @sandymillin: when challenging students, how far do you go? e.g. in Czech Rep, found lots of anti-Gypsy feelings - challenged them, but difficult #eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:35

@fceblog Great post!! #ELTCHAT

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:35

RT @Fuertesun: CT involves asking questions,examining evidence, defining a problem, avoiding emotional reasoning, tolerating ambiguity..what else? #eltchat

barbarabujtas

13/7/2011

11:36

RT @akhssass: some governments want SS to work like machines and keep doing tasks instead of thinking and deep learning. #eltchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:36

@sandymillin Great q... we are not crusaders we are paid to tech language......primarilyç #eltchat

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:36

RT @ayatawel: we as teachers have to be clever enough to integrate CT into our courses and syllabus !!#eltchat > that's what we're here for

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:36

@naomishema Hm that's taking it a bit 2 far, I think. (re: naming the skill). #ELTCHAT That's like asking ESL students to name the tense.

hartle

13/7/2011

11:36

RT covers of novels tht ss chose as favourites to discuss wht the choice showed abt the person http://ow.ly/5DUEQ #eltchat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:36

I always believed that CT can benefit from develping creating thinking as well - for flexibility and diversity od ideas & solutions #eltchat

akhssass

13/7/2011

11:36

some governments want SS to work like machines and keep doing tasks instead of thinking and deep learning. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

13/7/2011

11:36

RT @brad5patterson: Isn't CT simply good education, be it in #efl #history #physics ?  So we use it too in our field. #eltchat

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:36

@eyespeakbrasil I'd certainly recommend looking at it and bringing it into yr teaching as a resource #eltchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:36

RT @sandymillin: when challenging students, how far do you go? e.g. in Czech Rep, found lots of anti-Gypsy feelings - challenged them, but difficult #eltchat

NoraTouparlaki

13/7/2011

11:36

RT @ayatawel: we as teachers have to be clever enough to integrate CT into our courses and syllabus !!#eltchat->Agree!!!

fceblog

13/7/2011

11:36

@bethcagnol No doubt. #ELTchat

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:36

@mkofab #eltchat - can you explain about school consumerism?

domi75P

13/7/2011

11:36

RT @brad5patterson: Isn't CT simply good education, be it in #efl #history #physics ?  So we use it too in our field. #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:37

Sorry but gotta get my nails done know #eltchat http://t.co/GMZ5YaP

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:37

@bcnpaul1 I like the way Global gives credit to it's users. Treats them as mature intelligent adults. #eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:37

@web2literacy Hi Richard! Yup it is! #ELTCHAT

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:37

@hartle Me too. But trying hard to stay up. :) #eltchat

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:37

@hartle you're critical thinking too much :)  #eltchat

MarianSteiner

13/7/2011

11:37

RT @sandymillin: when challenging students, how far do you go? #eltchat > found myself in the same sit. we walk a very thin line somteimes

Shaunwilden

13/7/2011

11:37

@Fuertesun @sandymillin True but dont we have social responsibility as well? #eltchat

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:37

@Fuertesun expressing opinions and i mean personally opinion or asking for audiance opinions #eltchat

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:37

RT @Fuertesun: @sandymillin Great q... we are not crusaders we are paid to teach language......primarilyç #eltchat > yes but... :)

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:37

RT @hartle: Discussion going too fast for me. Keep getting behind #eltchat

hartle

13/7/2011

11:37

Discussion going too fast for me. Keep getting behind #eltchat

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:37

@bethcagnol #eltchat - the naming bit is what's got teachers here in an uproar

AtefAbdoo

13/7/2011

11:37

@NoraTouparlaki @Marisa_C you mean where I live :) :) #eltchat

NoraTouparlaki

13/7/2011

11:37

@web2literacy yes, Richard, welcome:) #eltchat

Shaunwilden

13/7/2011

11:38

@akhssass We'll put a transcript on our wiki #eltchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:38

@Shaunwilden YES.... but we can't force feed our ideas and opinions.. #eltchat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:38

k m@akhssass TWee #eltchat we put out a transcript

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:38

RT @Marisa_C: I always believed that CT can benefit from develping creating thinking as well - for flexibility and diversity od ideas & solutions #eltchat

hartle

13/7/2011

11:38

RT @mcneilmahon: @hartle you're critical thinking too much :)  #eltchat dunno abt that tehe

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:38

RT @fceblog: @ShellTerrell #eltchat Sometimes students expect a final word from the teacher. A right or wrong reduction. How to deal with that?

Shaunwilden

13/7/2011

11:38

RT @Marisa_C: My Tweetdeck is misbehaving - can't RT any more #ELTchat   that needed to be retweeted to rub it in didnt it :-)

akhssass

13/7/2011

11:38

I don t know how to copy all the chat and read it later #eltchat

NoraTouparlaki

13/7/2011

11:38

@AtefAbdoo too difficult, isn't it?? #eltchat

MarianSteiner

13/7/2011

11:38

RT @sandymillin: when challenging students, how far do you go? e.g. in Czech Rep, found lots of anti-Gypsy feelings - challenged them, but difficult #eltchat

brad5patterson

13/7/2011

11:38

RT @mcneilmahon: RT @ayatawel: we as teachers have to be clever enough to integrate CT into our courses and syllabus !!#eltchat > that's what we're here for

CoreyBelliveau

13/7/2011

11:38

@mcneilmahon you explicitly teach the use of thinking strategies by applying them in a modeled lesson-part of a greater task #eltchat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:38

My Tweetdeck is misbehaving - can't RT any more #ELTchat

franklin_h

13/7/2011

11:39

RT @fceblog: @ShellTerrell #eltchat Sometimes students expect a final word from the teacher. A right or wrong reduction. How to deal with that?

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:39

Again, I'm sorry that I'm the only here from our school. This discussion is sooo impt. #eltchat

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:39

RT @Fuertesun: @bcnpaul1 YEs there's always a BUT:..................... #eltchat > that's critical thinkin' for ya :)

LindsayMaple

13/7/2011

11:39

RT @theteacherjames: The arts offer great opp to get sts to engage. Ask them to bring their favourite painting/film, & explain/justify why they like it. #ELTCHAT

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:39

@naomishema I get so steamed when I see coursebooks asking students to "name that tense." #ELTCHAT

vickyloras

13/7/2011

11:39

Super!Rt @Marisa_C Always believed CT can benefit fr develping creating thinking as well-4flexibility&diversity od ideas&solutions #eltchat

domi75P

13/7/2011

11:39

RT @web2literacy: #eltchat CT is developed in classrooms through our education - language learners who have had little school are marginalised by CT approach

MTHS_DoPI

13/7/2011

11:39

#eltchat Force students to "Create the Argument". Facts can be corrected, but let students create & defend arguments to end...then correct.

akhssass

13/7/2011

11:39

@Shaunwilden @akhssass  thanks #eltchat

weemooseus

13/7/2011

11:39

@Fuertesun reducing difficult problem into one we know how to solve, perhaps by reduction, embedding, transformation, or simulation #ELTchat

web2literacy

13/7/2011

11:39

#eltchat CT is developed in classrooms through our education - language learners who have had little school are marginalised by CT approach

Shaunwilden

13/7/2011

11:39

@Fuertesun No but we encourage debate but carefully #eltchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:39

@bcnpaul1 YEs there's always a BUT:..................... #eltchat

hartle

13/7/2011

11:39

RT @Marisa_C: I always believed that CT can benefit from develping creating thinking as well - for flexibility and diversity od ideas & solutions #eltchat

AtefAbdoo

13/7/2011

11:39

@hartle me, too :( #eltchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:40

@Shaunwilden Debate is v important as long as people don't feel uncomfortable... #eltchat

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:40

@web2literacy everything in moderation - don't want to scare them off, slowly, slowly, #eltchat

brad5patterson

13/7/2011

11:40

RT @Fuertesun @Shaunwilden YES.... but we can't force feed our ideas and opinions.. #eltchat >>> that's when they stop listening AND thinkin

web2literacy

13/7/2011

11:40

@mcneilmahon I would like to think so of course #eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:40

@ShellTerrell LOL! Shelly! For a minute there, I thought I was going to see a pic of Rosco's paws. #ELTCHAT

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:40

RT @Shaunwilden: @Fuertesun No but we encourage debate but carefully #eltchat - YES ALWAYS

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:40

RT @Fuertesun: CT involves asking questions,examining evidence, defining a problem, avoiding emotional reasoning, tolerating ambiguity..what else? #eltchat

web2literacy

13/7/2011

11:40

#eltchat not saying it's wrong or bad just that some learners lose out if it all gets CT

domi75P

13/7/2011

11:40

RT @weemooseus: @Fuertesun reducing difficult problem into one we know how to solve, perhaps by reduction, embedding, transformation, or simulation #ELTchat

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:40

@web2literacy or liberalised by improving their CT skills?  #eltchat

Shaunwilden

13/7/2011

11:41

@akhssass This is the wiki address http://bit.ly/qK2V9h you keep an eye on the #eltchat you'll see the link fo… (cont) http://deck.ly/~e7xVw

web2literacy

13/7/2011

11:41

#eltchat i@mcneilmahon  agreed :)

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:41

RT @Fuertesun: @Shaunwilden Debate is v important as long as people don't feel uncomfortable... #eltchat > got to be +ve and sensitive :)

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:41

#eltchat  twitter overload - and tweetdeck seize up #ELTchat - sorry can't tweet easily

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:41

@lu_bodeman Maybe consider putting the summary in everyone's mail box at work. ;-) #ELTCHAT

analuisalozano

13/7/2011

11:41

#ELTchat One good way to develop critical thinking after practicing it in lessons is 2 involve our students on projects about global issues

shhartley

13/7/2011

11:41

Course books are often about 'teaching to the test'. Can sell more when focus is grades rather than critical thinking. #eltchat @bcnpaul1

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:41

@ayatawel Am using it but it's moving way too fast. Exciting topic, huh? :) #eltchat

akhssass

13/7/2011

11:41

A student provides a summary of what the whole class was expected to learn during a lesson and evaluate it. #eltchat

NoraTouparlaki

13/7/2011

11:41

RT @Shaunwilden: @Fuertesun No but we encourage debate but carefully #eltchat does this debate mean only criti… (cont) http://deck.ly/~8Uv2V

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:42

RT @MarianSteiner: @sandymillin I try to put priority on general good mood. If challenging a st would mean conflict, I  ease and back away #eltchat

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:42

RT @CoreyBelliveau: we often use strat. from the critical think ing consortium #eltchat <what kind of things

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:42

@shhartley Global will tell us if that's true  #eltchat

MarianSteiner

13/7/2011

11:42

RT @fceblog: @MarianSteiner RT @sandymillin when challenging students, how far do you go? #eltchat -->Our job is about these important questions! #loveit

MarianSteiner

13/7/2011

11:42

@sandymillin I try to put priority on general good mood. If challenging a st would mean conflict, I  ease and back away #eltchat

eyespeakbrasil

13/7/2011

11:42

Is CT a personal journey or a shared one #eltchat

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:42

RT @Fuertesun: @brad5patterson Good point Brad.. too much debate could cause shut down for some SS #eltchat

Dru_Step

13/7/2011

11:42

#eltchat Debate in our staffroom today about 1one st and how he's unlikely to ever think critically... do you agree that could be the case?

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:42

RT @shhartley: Course books about 'teaching to the test'. sell more when focus is grades not critical thinking. #eltchat >absolutely

hartle

13/7/2011

11:42

If we don't teach CT at a basic language level, we are all far too easily manipulated. Adverts gd source for this too #eltchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:42

@brad5patterson Good point Brad.. too much debate could cause shut down for some SS #eltchat

fceblog

13/7/2011

11:42

@MarianSteiner RT @sandymillin when challenging students, how far do you go? #eltchat -->Our job is about these important questions! #loveit

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:42

@ShellTerrell Sorry to keep you! Nice nails, by the way! :-) #eltchat

brad5patterson

13/7/2011

11:43

#eltchat @Fuertesun @bncpaul1 that's when we need to be moderators and keep our sensors out there. Interesting n challenging part of our job

AxiomNews

13/7/2011

11:43

Inquiry-based learning, cool! RT @akhssass Students develop questions to deepen their own understanding of the topic being studied. #eltchat

web2literacy

13/7/2011

11:43

RT @naomishema: #eltchat but think of the struggling learner who has to figure out what the question means, identify relevant part in text and THEN infer!

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:43

@Dru_Step How old is the student? If he's 80 years old, then maybe. Under that, there's always hope. #ELTCHAT

NoraTouparlaki

13/7/2011

11:43

@eyespeakbrasil we learn about ourselves from ...others, it takes two #eltchat

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:43

CT practice for your teachers - read #eltchat summary and match to participants' hidden agendas :)

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:43

RT @Fuertesun: @brad5patterson Good point Brad.. too much debate could cause shut down for some SS #eltchat >defo agree w/that

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:43

@eyespeakbrasil nice question which is good topic for CT !!:) #eltchat

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:43

@MTHS_DoPI but sometimes u need to argue bcoz they r not active in CT as it's required #eltchat

Shaunwilden

13/7/2011

11:43

@NoraTouparlaki Agreed,  I think a lot of people initially think CT = criticism #eltchat

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:43

#eltchat but think of the struggling learner who has to figure out what the question means, identify relevant part in text and THEN infer!

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:43

@NoraTouparlaki not about criticim but about asking questions that may be uncomfortable to some people... #eltchat

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:44

@brad5patterson absolutely - balance is essential. It can't always be explicitly CT #eltchat

fionamau

13/7/2011

11:44

#eltchat Good evening. Sorry I'm late. Critical thinking, right?

NoraTouparlaki

13/7/2011

11:44

@Fuertesun so, that's why teachers should be critical thinkers! #eltchat

brad5patterson

13/7/2011

11:44

RT @eyespeakbrasil: Is CT a personal journey or a shared one #eltchat

analuisalozano

13/7/2011

11:44

#ELTchat ..in which they can take  active part to solve-problem situations interacting not only with their partners but with others.

akhssass

13/7/2011

11:44

Groups of  SS discuss what they have learned and what they still need to learn in a particular topic and reflect on their learning #eltchat

barbarabujtas

13/7/2011

11:44

RT @web2literacy: RT @NoraTouparlaki: @eyespeakbrasil we learn about ourselves from ...others, it takes two #eltchat

domi75P

13/7/2011

11:44

:-) RT @bethcagnol: @Dru_Step How old is the student? If he's 80 years old, then maybe. Under that, there's always hope. #ELTCHAT

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:44

RT @analuisalozano: #ELTchat  Involve our students in projects about global issues > Odyssey2050 a good place to start

hartle

13/7/2011

11:44

RT @Fuertesun: @brad5patterson Good point Brad.. too much debate could cause shut down for some SS #eltchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:44

RT @mcneilmahon: CT practice for your teachers - read #eltchat summary and match to participants' hidden agendas :)

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:44

@Dru_Step CT is a learned skill. It takes time. More time for some than others. #ELTCHAT

domi75P

13/7/2011

11:44

Hell it should not be done so fast mybe needs training.RT @naomishema: #eltchat but think of the struggling le… (cont) http://deck.ly/~pY6K3

web2literacy

13/7/2011

11:44

RT @NoraTouparlaki: @eyespeakbrasil we learn about ourselves from ...others, it takes two #eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:45

RT @Shaunwilden: @vbenevolofranca I can't say I havent at times participated rather than facilitated :-) #eltchat

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:45

@Fuertesun 'Why?' should never be an uncomfortable question? #eltchat

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:45

@bcnpaul1 @Fuertesun @brad5patterson But CT doesn't only take place with serious subjects. You can keep it light to the same effect #eltchat

web2literacy

13/7/2011

11:45

#eltchat sometimes CT not necessary when they have already got it - sorry a bit obvious but so often overplayed in classrooms

brad5patterson

13/7/2011

11:45

#eltchat @Dru_Step SS are different.  Some won't open up in a large context, so we can divide 'em up and see if that S gets rolling.

digitalspaces

13/7/2011

11:45

RT @naomishema: #eltchat but think of the struggling learner who has to figure out what the question means, identify relevant part in text and THEN infer!

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:45

@fionamau evening yes CT #eltchat

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:45

@naomishema those Ss can consider the pre reading as a helpful way to catch up with classroom CT with others #eltchat

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:45

RT @bcnpaul1: @brad5patterson absolutely - balance is essential. It can't always be explicitly CT #eltchat

vickyloras

13/7/2011

11:45

RT @brad5patterson: #eltchat @Fuertesun @bncpaul1 that's when we need to be moderators and keep our sensors out there. Interesting n challenging part of our job

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:45

RT @fionamau: #eltchat Good evening. Sorry I'm late. Critical thinking, right? > yup. what's on your mind?

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:45

@fionamau yeah !!#eltchat

domi75P

13/7/2011

11:45

@fionamau right #eltchat

hartle

13/7/2011

11:45

RT @eyespeakbrasil: Is CT a personal journey or a shared one #eltchat probably both :-)

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:45

RT @Shaunwilden: @vbenevolofranca I can't say I havent at times participated rather than facilitated :-) #eltchat

Shaunwilden

13/7/2011

11:45

@vbenevolofranca I can't say I havent at times participated rather than facilitated :-) #eltchat

web2literacy

13/7/2011

11:46

#eltchat for example sometimes too much elicitation going on - and too many teacher directed Qs to try to develop CT

domi75P

13/7/2011

11:46

#eltchat but it is often a difficult one RT @mcneilmahon: @Fuertesun 'Why?' should never be an uncomfortable question?

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:46

RT @Shaunwilden: @NoraTouparlaki   I think a lot of people initially think CT = criticism #eltchat CT can be 'How to praise?''What's good?'

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:46

@naomishema activities before Ss clap eyes on the text #eltchat

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:46

@fionamau yeah welcome dear #eltchat

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:46

@bcnpaul1 @Fuertesun @brad5patterson "Is this comedy sketch funny or not?" "Can this singer sing or not?" #eltchat

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:46

@PrettyButWise #eltchat - what do you mean by pre reading? reading on their own?

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:46

RT @mcneilmahon: @Fuertesun 'Why?' should never be an uncomfortable question? #eltchat

hartle

13/7/2011

11:46

RT @naomishema: #eltchat but think of the struggling learner... But materials have to be graded to level and age

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:47

@mcneilmahon God if that were true.... Why? can be soooo uncomfortable... depends on the question... and who's being asked #eltchat

CoreyBelliveau

13/7/2011

11:47

@naomishema this gets a little easier when we broaden text to include video and pictures #eltchat

MarianSteiner

13/7/2011

11:47

RT @bcnpaul1 @brad5patterson balance is essential... #eltchat > so true! we're trying to keep a lot of balls in the air when in class..

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:47

@naomishema yeah the might read before the class and we can set a topic to give the the chance to improve their CT #eltchat

vbenevolofranca

13/7/2011

11:47

@Shaunwilden Hmm, tempting at times, once know group well can be way to stimulate discussion "devilΒ΄s advocate" but depends on grp #eltchat

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:47

RT @theteacherjames: @bcnpaul1 @Fuertesun @brad5patterson "Is the comedy sketch funny or not?" "Can this singer sing or not?" #eltchat >nice

domi75P

13/7/2011

11:47

@web2literacy or they answer their own question  #eltchat

eyespeakbrasil

13/7/2011

11:47

IΒ΄ve never thought of CT as criticism - more of a dialogue with oneslef #eltchat

choberle

13/7/2011

11:47

RT @Dru_Step: #eltchat As Adv teacher I spend my first term getting sts out of non-crit thnking methods. Get a lot of "Just give us the answer!!" begging!

Shaunwilden

13/7/2011

11:47

RT @bcnpaul1: RT @theteacherjames:  CT doesn't only take place with serious subjects. You can keep it light to the same effect #eltchat > good point

hartle

13/7/2011

11:47

RT @fionamau: #eltchat Good evening. Sorry I'm late. Critical thinking, right? Hi Fiona, yes CT

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:47

@web2literacy , but it shouldn't be too many or it will deviate from CT !!#eltchat

Shaunwilden

13/7/2011

11:47

@mcneilmahon Agreed #eltchat

domi75P

13/7/2011

11:47

yes RT @web2literacy: #eltchat for example sometimes too much elicitation going on - and too many teacher directed Qs to try to develop CT

fionamau

13/7/2011

11:47

@bcnpaul1 that CT in the ELT classroom will largely depend on the rapport & interpersonal relationships in the room, #eltchat

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:47

RT @theteacherjames:  CT doesn't only take place with serious subjects. You can keep it light to the same effect #eltchat > good point

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:48

@bcnpaul1 Ta! #eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:48

Just had a thought. For sts who don't like to question, I sometimes show them the US site Rate My Professor.com #ELTCHAT

Shaunwilden

13/7/2011

11:48

@vbenevolofranca Oh yes very much so re group and also place of work, some places would never have let me #eltchat

hartle

13/7/2011

11:48

RT @CoreyBelliveau: @naomishema this gets a little easier when we broaden text to include video and pictures #eltchat

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:48

RT @Fuertesun: CT involves asking questions,examining evidence, defining a problem, avoiding emotional reasoning, tolerating ambiguity..what else? #eltchat

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:48

@naomishema they* them* #eltchat

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:48

@web2literacy Yeah, right !!:) #eltchat

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:48

RT @PrettyButWise: @naomishema yeah the might read before the class and we can set a topic to give the the chance to improve their CT #eltchat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:48

Could we be more explicit to our Ss about what and why we are doing it in class #ELTchat - it should not be a secret I think

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:48

RT @CoreyBelliveau: @naomishema this gets a little easier when we broaden text to include video and pictures #eltchat

fionamau

13/7/2011

11:48

RT @eyespeakbrasil: IΒ΄ve never thought of CT as criticism - more of a dialogue with oneslef #eltchat "dialectics" ;-)

NoraTouparlaki

13/7/2011

11:48

@mcneilmahon there's always sth good to discover #eltchat

Ilotimo

13/7/2011

11:48

RT @analuisalozano: #ELTchat One good way to develop critical thinking after practicing it in lessons is 2 involve our students on projects about global issues

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:48

Reflection is also important part of lang learning, teach training and CT  #eltchat

web2literacy

13/7/2011

11:48

@ayatawel OK but often happy to move away from CT - how about you? #eltchat

GCSegers

13/7/2011

11:48

RT @brad5patterson: RT @Marisa_C @grahamstanley s blog on games based learning= great place to look for materials for Ct #ELTchat >>> agree. was reading it 2day

web2literacy

13/7/2011

11:49

#eltchat as a language learner in class I often just want it on a plate so we can get on and talk - don't want to work it all out

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:49

RT @mcneilmahon: Putting SS in someone else's shoes is good CT training and extends speaking tasks  #eltchat

hartle

13/7/2011

11:49

RT @mcneilmahon: Putting SS in someone else's shoes is good CT training and extends speaking tasks  #eltchat

Ilotimo

13/7/2011

11:49

RT @analuisalozano: #ELTchat ..in which they can take  active part to solve-problem situations interacting not only with their partners but with others.

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:49

RT @mcneilmahon: Reflection is also important part of lang learning, teach training and CT  #eltchat

digitalspaces

13/7/2011

11:49

RT @Marisa_C: Here is a nice wiki with Blooms http://bit.ly/ZBHi9  #ELTchat :-)

Shaunwilden

13/7/2011

11:49

RT @Marisa_C: Could we be more explicit to our Ss about what and why we are doing it in class #ELTchat - it should not be a secret I think

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:49

RT @Marisa_C: Could we be more explicit to our Ss about what and why we are doing it in class #ELTchat - it should not be a secret I think

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:49

RT @Marisa_C: Could we be more explicit to our Ss about what and why we are doing it in class #ELTchat - it should not be a secret I think

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:49

RT @bethcagnol: Just had a thought. For sts who don't like to question, I sometimes show them the US site Rate My Professor.com #ELTCHAT

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:49

RT @mcneilmahon: Putting SS in someone else's shoes is good CT training and extends speaking tasks  #eltchat

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:49

RT @bcnpaul1: looking at what CT is defined as, don't we all do it anyway - interwoven into every class? #eltchat

mkofab

13/7/2011

11:49

RT @MarianSteiner: @web2literacy True! when observing classes I can exactly tell when a T is pushing it too much. Pitty we can't see it on ourselves! #eltchat

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:49

Putting SS in someone else's shoes is good CT training and extends speaking tasks  #eltchat

MarianSteiner

13/7/2011

11:49

RT @brad5patterson: @MarianSteiner haha.  very true --- the attraction of our art for me... what next?  what now ?  what was that !  #eltchat

MarianSteiner

13/7/2011

11:49

@web2literacy True! when observing classes I can exactly tell when a T is pushing it too much. Pitty we can't see it on ourselves! #eltchat

brad5patterson

13/7/2011

11:49

@MarianSteiner haha.  very true --- the attraction of our art for me... what next?  what now ?  what was that !  #eltchat

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:49

looking at what CT is defined as, don't we all do it anyway - interwoven into every class? #eltchat

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:50

@Marisa_C agree and we can also set the topic for CT before the class so weak Ss can have their chance #eltchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:50

RT @bethcagnol: Just had a thought. For sts who don't like to question, I sometimes show them the US site Rate My Professor.com #ELTCHAT

brad5patterson

13/7/2011

11:50

@fionamau @bcnpaul1 @theteacherjames @Fuertesun what was she saying wearing that meat dress, anyway?  What do you think, SS ?  LOL #eltchat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:50

@Shaunwilden he he  #eltchat

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:50

RT @Marisa_C: @mcneilmahon Edward de Bono's 6 thinking hats is good for this  #eltchat Nice!

Shaunwilden

13/7/2011

11:50

@Marisa_C @mcneilmahon Oh gosh that takes me back to my school days #eltchat

mkofab

13/7/2011

11:50

RT @mcneilmahon: RT @bcnpaul1: looking at what CT is defined as, don't we all do it anyway - interwoven into every class? #eltchat do we go all the way tho?

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:50

@mcneilmahon but that is lateral rather than critical thinking  #eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:50

RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Marisa_C: Could we be more explicit to our Ss about what and why we are doing it in class #ELTchat - it should not be a secret I think

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:50

RT @bcnpaul1: looking at what CT is defined as, don't we all do it anyway - interwoven into every class? #eltchat do we go all the way tho?

eyespeakbrasil

13/7/2011

11:50

@fionamau  but dialectics requires two people doesnΒ΄t it? #eltchat

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:50

RT @mcneilmahon: Putting SS in someone else's shoes is good CT training and extends speaking tasks  #eltchat >> Agree!

fionamau

13/7/2011

11:50

@bcnpaul1@theteacherjames @Fuertesun @brad5patterson re "Can this singer sing or not?" #eltchat > U cd get a whole CT lesson out o Lady Gaga

ShellTerrell

13/7/2011

11:50

@mcneilmahon: Reflection is also important part of lang learning, teach training and CT #eltchat agree!

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:50

@mcneilmahon Edward de Bono's 6 thinking hats is good for this  #eltchat

akhssass

13/7/2011

11:50

SS analyse the work of a peer over a period of time to provide feedback on what has improved and what still needs work.  #eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:51

@MarianSteiner I show them the site to give them a window in a culture that is raised on CT and questioning the professor. #ELTCHAT

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:51

RT @eyespeakbrasil: @fionamau  but dialectics requires two people doesnΒ΄t it? #eltchat > you can have two people inside your head if u want

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:51

RT @lu_bodeman: RT @mcneilmahon: Putting SS in someone else's shoes is good CT training and extends speaking tasks  #eltchat >> Agree!

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:51

@bcnpaul1 True - How often do we ask a question & then follow it with "Why"? if no explanation is forthcoming? I do it constantly. #eltchat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:51

RT @web2literacy: @MarianSteiner Ever watched a video of yourself teaching? This can help #eltchat > all the time

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:51

RT @bcnpaul1: looking at what CT is defined as, don't we all do it anyway - interwoven into every class? #eltchat - YES think so!

brad5patterson

13/7/2011

11:51

RT @Marisa_C: Could we be more explicit to our Ss about what and why we are doing it in class #ELTchat - it should not be a secret I think

akhssass

13/7/2011

11:51

SS need to analyse knowledge synthesize it and make meaningful judgements and reflections on ideas and other peoples' opinions. #eltchat

web2literacy

13/7/2011

11:51

@MarianSteiner Ever watched a video of yourself teaching? This can help #eltchat

eyespeakbrasil

13/7/2011

11:51

Always answer a question with a question #eltchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:51

@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C But, perhaps it's not wise 2 say: "OK everybody, today we're going to work on your CT skills! Yay!" #ELTCHAT

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:51

@mcneilmahon what do you mean 'all the way'? #eltchat

CoreyBelliveau

13/7/2011

11:51

@sandymillin our tasks include things like reworking the ending of stories or decoding a photo. We use graphic org to sort thinking #eltchat

MarianSteiner

13/7/2011

11:51

RT @ ShellTerrell RT @bethcagnol: For sts who don't like to question, I show them the US site Rate My Professor.com #eltchat > interesting!

hartle

13/7/2011

11:51

Of course std beliefs very strong too, & it csn be challenging for them to question these. #eltchat

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:52

Roleplay is useful too. Get the sts to adopt other people's opinions and argue for them. Great practice. #ELTchat

web2literacy

13/7/2011

11:52

@MarianSteiner agreed - not a pleasant experience :)  #eltchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:52

RT @eyespeakbrasil: Always answer a question with a question #eltchat

vbenevolofranca

13/7/2011

11:52

RT @Marisa_C: @mcneilmahon Edward de Bono's 6 thinking hats is good for this  #eltchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:52

RT @bethcagnol: @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C But, perhaps it's not wise 2 say: "OK everybody, today we're going to work on your CT skills! Yay!" #ELTCHAT

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:52

Very few coursbooks include Question types to promote CT - it's all fact finding and may be a bit of underlining at best #ELTchat

hartle

13/7/2011

11:52

RT @Marisa_C: RT @web2literacy: @MarianSteiner Ever watched a video of yourself teaching? This can help #eltchat > all the time, yes agree

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:52

RT @mcneilmahon: RT @eyespeakbrasil: @fionamau  but dialectics requires two people doesnΒ΄t it? #eltchat > you can have two people inside your head if u want

eyespeakbrasil

13/7/2011

11:52

@mcneilmahon iΒ΄ve got many people chatting away in my hea[d #eltchat lol

MarianSteiner

13/7/2011

11:52

RT @Marisa_C: RT @web2literacy: @MarianSteiner Ever watched a video of yourself teaching? This can help #eltchat > YES! [whimpers]

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:52

RT @theteacherjames: @bcnpaul1 True - How often do we ask a question & then follow it with "Why"? if no explanation is forthcoming? I do it constantly. #eltchat

fionamau

13/7/2011

11:52

@brad5patterson what was she saying wearing that meat dress #eltchat>Exactly, but some 'frivolous issues' do uncover more serious ones

web2literacy

13/7/2011

11:52

@Marisa_C  Do you use this a lot with teacher trainees to get them thinking critically about their own teaching? #eltchat

drjohnhadley

13/7/2011

11:52

RT @Marisa_C: Could we be more explicit to our Ss about what and why we are doing it in class #ELTchat - it should not be a secret I think

vbenevolofranca

13/7/2011

11:52

@Marisa_C  Yes, need to be. Sometimes sts said: tell me what's the right answer....but then needed to explain the why of things #eltchat

fionamau

13/7/2011

11:53

RT @theteacherjames Get the sts to adopt other people's opinions & argue 4 them. Great practice. #ELTchat overcomes 'I have no opinion' too

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:53

#eltchat - maybe you all should get hold of israeli textbooks for literature - the ct skills are built in now! LOL!

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:53

@bcnpaul1 to evaluating and creating (which is not same as applying)...  #eltchat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:53

@bcnpaul1 I have or I rewrite it  #ELTchat

hartle

13/7/2011

11:53

RT @Marisa_C: Very few coursbooks include Question types to promote CT #ELTchat One more problem with coursebooks

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:53

@Marisa_C open questions are good for CT right? #ELTchat

bethcagnol

13/7/2011

11:53

Off to bed, guys. Been a great #ELTCHAT! Thanks to the moderators @Marisa_C and @ShellTerrell Bonne nuit! And Happy 14th of July tomorrow!

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:53

RT @Marisa_C:  few coursbooks include Q types to promote CT - it's  fact finding and may be a bit of underlining #ELTchat >so ditch the bk:)

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:53

RT @theteacherjames: Roleplay is useful too. Get the sts to adopt other people's opinions and argue for them. Great practice. #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

13/7/2011

11:53

Critical Thinking Skills: Developing Effective Analysis and Argument (Palgrave Study Skills) #ELTCHAT

domi75P

13/7/2011

11:53

RT @theteacherjames: Roleplay is useful too. Get the sts to adopt other people's opinions and argue for them. Great practice. #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

13/7/2011

11:53

@bethcagnol Oh def not but we can embed the idea in activities #eltchat I found activities in this book adapted well to the EFL classroom

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:53

RT @Marisa_C: Very few coursbooks include Question types to promote CT - it's all fact finding and may be a bit of underlining at best #ELTchat

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:54

@mcneilmahon ok - I see. No I guess we don't go all the way always, but do we need to always? #eltchat

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:54

@bethcagnol night... or Bon nuit #ELTCHAT

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:54

RT @eyespeakbrasil: Always answer a question with a question #eltchat > can become very frustrating - the Q has to be justified

brad5patterson

13/7/2011

11:54

So what do you do when students balk, n aren't jumping into the CT part of the lesson.  How do you "gettem' out of their shells" ? #eltchat

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:54

@bcnpaul1 Wish we could. Syllabus is built on it, for tests. :(  It's a tough issue @ our school, still! #eltchat

Notyetlanguage

13/7/2011

11:54

RT @MarianSteiner: RT @ ShellTerrell RT @bethcagnol: For sts who don't like to question, I show them the US site Rate My Professor.com #eltchat > interesting!

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:54

RT @fionamau: RT @theteacherjames Get the sts to adopt other people's opinions & argue 4 them. Great practice. #ELTchat overcomes 'I have no opinion' too

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:54

@bethcagnol Bye !! Good night !! #eltchat

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:54

@brad5patterson Love the meat dress question! #eltchat

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:55

@fionamau @brad5patterson And dare you ask: "Is she beautiful?" #eltchat

MarianSteiner

13/7/2011

11:55

So, how about pointing the camera on the learner to boost CT? The hard core way :) @web2literacy #eltchat

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:55

@vbenevolofranca No I don't mean it like big announcement time - just e.g."this activity now aims to.... and to..."  #Eltchat

fionamau

13/7/2011

11:55

RT @theteacherjames: @brad5patterson Love the meat dress question! #eltchat > and the cigarette sunglasses. and the image over singing = $$

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:56

@Dru_Step @bcnpaul1 Sounds fantastic! #ELTchat

fionamau

13/7/2011

11:56

RT @theteacherjames @brad5patterson And dare you ask: "Is she beautiful?" #eltchat U dare, cuz she isn't, which is good. Mould-breaking > CT

Fuertesun

13/7/2011

11:56

@bcnpaul1 Can't include all Higher thinking skills and lower thinking skills and CT in all lessons can we? #eltchat

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:56

RT @Shaunwilden: Critical Thinking Skills: Developing Effective Analysis and Argument (Palgrave Study Skills) #ELTCHAT

brad5patterson

13/7/2011

11:56

RT @lu_bodeman: RT @theteacherjames: @fionamau @brad5patterson And dare you ask: "Is she beautiful?" #eltchat LOL

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:56

@vbenevolofranca Right! #eltchat

web2literacy

13/7/2011

11:56

@MarianSteiner the students pointing the cameras at each other :) #eltchat

brad5patterson

13/7/2011

11:56

RT @theteacherjames Roleplay is useful too. Get the sts to adopt other people's opinions n argue for them. Great practice. #ELTchat >>> β¤ it

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:56

RT @theteacherjames: @fionamau @brad5patterson And dare you ask: "Is she beautiful?" #eltchat LOL

vbenevolofranca

13/7/2011

11:56

@Marisa_C  Yes, exactly, as we normally do when setting up any other activity #eltchat

hartle

13/7/2011

11:57

RT @Fuertesun: @bcnpaul1 Can't include all ..in all lessons can we? #eltchat Of course we can, we're super heroes !!

brad5patterson

13/7/2011

11:57

RE @fionamau @theteacherjames Lady Gaga menos attractive = mould breaking.  >>>> Good point !  #eltchat

web2literacy

13/7/2011

11:57

@MarianSteiner sts making the own films, creating blogs, making posters etc are all great critical processes of enagement #eltchat

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:57

RT @akhssass: Reduce the number of questions that can be answered by only "yes" or "no." Ask questions appropriate to the developmental level.

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:57

RT @Dru_Step: @theteacherjames By the end of the year my sts know that a 'why' is coming from me & start asking each other  #ELTchat

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:57

CT is a higher level of L2 practicing #eltchat

eyespeakbrasil

13/7/2011

11:57

developing the self confidence to think critically would be very difficult in some cultures, thinking of Asian students #eltchat

domi75P

13/7/2011

11:57

#eltchat bonne nuit but why in French ? Do you think French poeple go to bed early or that they are not inter… (cont) http://deck.ly/~5UTgv

akhssass

13/7/2011

11:57

Reduce the number of questions that can be answered by only "yes" or "no." Ask questions appropriate to the developmental level.

bcnpaul1

13/7/2011

11:58

RT @theteacherjames: @fionamau @brad5patterson Says you! I'm sure there are those that disagree... #eltchat she's lovely :)

Marisa_C

13/7/2011

11:58

@domi75P cos we sometimes say bonne nuit without raising a fuss about the French - dont' be so sensitive we say it greek too  #eltchat

hartle

13/7/2011

11:58

RT @web2literacy: @MarianSteiner sts making the own films, creating blogs, making posters etc are all great critical processes of enagement #eltchat

lu_bodeman

13/7/2011

11:58

RT @ayatawel: We have to appreciate all answers to motivate them to develop more CT !!#eltchat

akhssass

13/7/2011

11:58

Talk less and ask more #eltchat

eyespeakbrasil

13/7/2011

11:58

RT @ayatawel: We have to appreciate all answers to motivate them to develop more CT !!#eltchat

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:58

We have to appreciate all answers to motivate them to develop more CT !!#eltchat

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:58

@fionamau @brad5patterson Says you! I'm sure there are those that disagree... #eltchat

eyespeakbrasil

13/7/2011

11:58

RT @web2literacy: @MarianSteiner sts making the own films, creating blogs, making posters etc are all great critical processes of enagement #eltchat

ayatawel

13/7/2011

11:59

@mcneilmahon That's our role to help, encourage and appreciate , even the least !!#eltchat

MarianSteiner

13/7/2011

11:59

RT @web2literacy: sts making own films,blogs,posters etc are all great critical processes of enagement #eltchat > The circle is complete! :)

PrettyButWise

13/7/2011

11:59

i'm sleepy ;p nice chat but can't focus loool c u next Wed all , thank u for chating #eltchat

mkofab

13/7/2011

11:59

@akhssass and for me: listen more, have more patience... I know but difficult  ... #eltchat

hartle

13/7/2011

11:59

RT @mcneilmahon: But remember students need the language to express their CT or you may get met with awkward silence - develop both hand in hand  #eltchat

theteacherjames

13/7/2011

11:59

Each to their own Paul! ;-) @bcnpaul1 @fionamau @brad5patterson  #eltchat

naomishema

13/7/2011

11:59

RT @mcneilmahon: But remember students need the language to express their CT or you may get met with awkward silence - develop both hand in hand  #eltchat

mcneilmahon

13/7/2011

11:59

But remember students need the language to express their CT or you may get met with awkward silence - develop both hand in hand  #eltchat

sandymillin

13/7/2011

11:59

RT @Marisa_C: Could we be more explicit to our Ss about what and why we are doing it in class #ELTchat - it should not be a secret I think

lu_bodeman

14/7/2011

12:00

Also leaving. Dinner time. Again, a wonderful #eltchat. Will check out summary later. Congrats to the moderators + thanks!!

naomishema

14/7/2011

12:00

#eltchat Good night all - very fast paced chat this time!

bcnpaul1

14/7/2011

12:00

Enjoyed that a lot #eltchat Thanks @marisa_c @shellterrell for moderation. g'night all

brad5patterson

14/7/2011

12:00

@bcnpaul1 @theteacherjames @fionamau we oui.  ζƒ…δΊΊηΌιεΊθ¥Ώζ–½οΌοΌοΌ lovers see the most beautifully >>> fav chinese expression  LOL #eltchat

ayatawel

14/7/2011

12:00

@web2literacy bye !! Good night !! #eltchat

hartle

14/7/2011

12:00

These location maps of where everyone is r distracting me!! But it's interesting to see such variety too #eltchat

akhssass

14/7/2011

12:00

Increase wait-time between asking and answering questions to at least five seconds. give them time to think. #eltchat

Fuertesun

14/7/2011

12:00

@web2literacy night #eltchat

Marisa_C

14/7/2011

12:00

@MarianSteiner I like those ideas  #eltchat

analuisalozano

14/7/2011

12:00

@mcneilmahon #ELTchat ... Maybe it sounds impossible but you will know how meaningful learning becomes after doing it-CT goes to its maximum

NoraTouparlaki

14/7/2011

12:00

RT @ayatawel: We have to appreciate all answers to motivate them to develop more CT !!#eltchat

web2literacy

14/7/2011

12:00

bye bye all thanks for the chat - interesting as always #eltchat

akhssass

14/7/2011

12:01

@Marisa_C @akhssass great idea #eltchat

Notyetlanguage

14/7/2011

12:01

@domi75P French is cool - it also helps you to expand your vocabulary in English as well as to spell English better :D #ELTchat

Fuertesun

14/7/2011

12:01

@bcnpaul1 Night Paul.... #eltchat

barbarabujtas

14/7/2011

12:01

thx all, good night

mcneilmahon

14/7/2011

12:01

@analuisalozano not impossible at all - a very worthy goal and yes, makes learning more meaningful  #eltchat

KellyMNixon

14/7/2011

12:01

#css510  A smorgasbord... #ELTchat

Marisa_C

14/7/2011

12:01

@bcnpaul1 cheers Paul good to have you on #eltchat always

hartle

14/7/2011

12:01

RT @brad5patterson: @bcnpaul1 @theteacherjames @fionamau we oui.  ζƒ…δΊΊηΌιεΊθ¥Ώζ–½οΌοΌοΌ lovers see the most beautifully >>> fav chinese expression  LOL #eltchat

Fuertesun

14/7/2011

12:01

RT @bcnpaul1: Enjoyed that a lot #eltchat Thanks @marisa_c @shellterrell for moderation. g'night all

lu_bodeman

14/7/2011

12:01

RT @naomishema: #eltchat Good night all - very fast paced chat this time!

Marisa_C

14/7/2011

12:01

@akhssass Increase discussion time in the classroom too - many Ts cannot conduct a good discussion or just butt in and tell all  #eltchat

ayatawel

14/7/2011

12:01

@bcnpaul1 Good night !!#eltchat

mcneilmahon

14/7/2011

12:02

RT @Marisa_C: Increase discussion in the classroom - many Ts cannot conduct a good discussion or just butt in and tell all  #eltchat > agree

Marisa_C

14/7/2011

12:02

@eyespeakbrasil Goodnight - thanks for joining  #eltchat

barbarabujtas

14/7/2011

12:02

@Marisa_C :) #eltchat

eyespeakbrasil

14/7/2011

12:02

Thanks all - goodnight #eltchat

MarianSteiner

14/7/2011

12:02

RT @brad5patterson: #eltchat Thanks moderators and chatters. Good fun, and nice to connect with passionate teachers !!!  > What he said ;)

Marisa_C

14/7/2011

12:02

@Dru_Step Bonne Nuit !!! Kalinichtaq #eltchat

mcneilmahon

14/7/2011

12:02

RT @bcnpaul1: Enjoyed that a lot #eltchat Thanks @marisa_c @shellterrell for moderation. g'night all > Me too, thanks all

Dru_Step

14/7/2011

12:02

#eltchat I'm off too. Actually found this easier without Tweetdeck. It's very insistent and nagging! Night all.

Marisa_C

14/7/2011

12:02

@barbarabujtas thanks for joining  #eltchat

brad5patterson

14/7/2011

12:02

1st late night #eltchat   Thanks moderators and chatters.  Good fun, and nice to connect with passionate teachers !!!   cheers, b

Fuertesun

14/7/2011

12:03

@hartle Night #eltchat

hartle

14/7/2011

12:03

RT @hartle: Yes, thnx from me too. Have to go but it was as good as ever, Good night everyone. #eltchat

Marisa_C

14/7/2011

12:03

@mcneilmahon Thanks for joining - and kind comments  #eltchat

akhssass

14/7/2011

12:03

Encourage SS to generate new ideas, products, or ways of viewing things. Not just understanding content in books. #eltchat

ayatawel

14/7/2011

12:03

RT @mcneilmahon: RT @Marisa_C: Increase discussion in the classroom - many Ts cannot conduct a good discussion or just butt in and tell all  #eltchat > agree

Marisa_C

14/7/2011

12:04

Thank you all for joining #ELTchat and thx to my co moderators @#Shellterrell and @Shaunwilden for great moderation !

NoraTouparlaki

14/7/2011

12:04

#ELTCHat Goodnight to all of you! thanks for everything!

mcneilmahon

14/7/2011

12:04

RT @Marisa_C: @mcneilmahon Thanks for joining - and kind comments  #eltchat > you're welcome, thanks for great moderating

Fuertesun

14/7/2011

12:04

@Marisa_C  Night and thanks #eltchat

Fuertesun

14/7/2011

12:05

@Marisa_C Thank you ..... night #eltchat

Marisa_C

14/7/2011

12:05

@akhssass me #eltchat

akhssass

14/7/2011

12:05

who is familiar with  Bono’s Six Thinking Hats? #eltchat

Marisa_C

14/7/2011

12:05

@Fuertesun Cheers LEahn :-) nice pic  #eltchat

ayatawel

14/7/2011

12:05

@Marisa_C Thank u soo much and thanks for mods @shaunwilden and @shellyterrell !!#eltchat

mcneilmahon

14/7/2011

12:05

That was fast and furious - looking forward to the summary to catch up with missed threads and have a think about them :)  #eltchat

Marisa_C

14/7/2011

12:05

Sorry I disappeared for a bit but had trouble with tweetdeck - could barely type anything #Eltchat

MarianSteiner

14/7/2011

12:05

RT @Marisa_C: Thank you all for joining #ELTchat and thx to my co moderators @#Shellterrell and @Shaunwilden for great moderation !

cherrymp

13/7/2011

12:05

'Striving for good #English' in #malaysia http://bit.ly/ojloZZ #eltchat #efl #tefl #teachingenglish

theteacherjames

14/7/2011

12:06

Thanks to mods @marisa_c @shellterrell for a great #eltchat, one of the best in ages. I love that subject.

mcneilmahon

14/7/2011

12:06

RT @akhssass: Increase wait-time between asking and answering questions to at least five seconds. give them time to think. #eltchat

mkofab

14/7/2011

12:06

Thanks moderators and  all teachers for inspiration, fun  and some serious CT! Good night. Phew, that went fast again! :-) #eltchat

Notyetlanguage

14/7/2011

12:06

Bonne nuit! Good night! Laku noΔ‡! (Croatian) καληνΟΟΟΞ±.. interesting #ELTchat on CT... sorry I couldn't join earlier :(

Marisa_C

14/7/2011

12:06

@ayatawel Hey thanks for joining :-)  #eltchat

cherrymp

13/7/2011

12:06

#English-language digital library to feature works of 'father of #manga' frm #japan http://bit.ly/nGWX87 #eltchat #efl #tefl #edtech

akhssass

14/7/2011

12:07

@hartle @akhssass thanks

Marisa_C

14/7/2011

12:07

Good night all - will put up transcript later on the wiki if you want to peruse this fast and furious #ELTchat !!!!!!

hartle

14/7/2011

12:07

RT @akhssass: who is familiar with  Bono’s Six Thinking Hats? #eltchat http://ow.ly/1uAjVv

akhssass

14/7/2011

12:07

just google it #eltchat

ayatawel

14/7/2011

12:07

Thank u all !! See u next week !! very nice chat and a typical practical CT chat !! #eltchat

fceblog

14/7/2011

12:07

Thank you all. #ELTchat @Marisa_C @eyespeakbrasil @MarianSteiner @DrJohnHadley @BethCagnol @Lu_bodeman

sandymillin

14/7/2011

12:09

#eltpics is #ing this week...eating, chatting, thinking...whatever you like! 59 so far: http://bit.ly/pm6lxi Can you add more? #eltchat #efl

cerirhiannon

14/7/2011

12:10

#eltchat finally made it to my computer - so sad to have missed the eltchat - and all u chatters - will be following u on the transcript

analuisalozano

14/7/2011

12:10

@mcneilmahon #ELTchat ... They best learn by doing things and by thinking what they do is worth for themselves and others :)

vickyloras

14/7/2011

12:10

RT @theteacherjames: Thanks to mods @marisa_c @shellterrell for a great #eltchat, one of the best in ages. I love that subject.

sandymillin

14/7/2011

12:10

#infiniteeltideas is quizlet this week: http://bit.ly/nJjsXg How would you use it? Waiting for 1st idea! #eltchat #efl #esl #esolΒ #elt #tefl

fceblog

14/7/2011

12:10

RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Marisa_C: Could we be more explicit to our Ss about what and why we are doing it in class #ELTchat - it should not be a secret I think

theteacherjames

14/7/2011

12:11

@cerirhiannon That's a shame, tonight's was a cracker. Next time, eh? :-) #eltchat

vbenevolofranca

14/7/2011

12:11

Thanks to all #eltchat moderators. Tweetdeck went all funny on me & found it difficult to type at times!

vickyloras

14/7/2011

12:12

RT @sandymillin: #eltpics is #ing this week...eating, chatting, thinking...whatever you like! 59 so far: http://bit.ly/pm6lxi Can you add more? #eltchat #efl

akhssass

14/7/2011

12:12

Teachers should create an atmosphere of trust and encourage HOTS questions. I mean a stree-free atmosphere.  #eltchat

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