| Marisa_C |
10:59 |
For the nxt hour my tweets are going to be dediated to teaching pronunciation on #ELTchat Pls join us and RT |
| lolonagi |
10:59 |
RT @rliberni: RT @sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: In about 2 mins, - ideas for improving students' pronunciation #ELTchat Pls join us and share your ideas |
| hartle |
10:59 |
RT @hartle: Hi everyone #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
10:59 |
2mn to #ELTCHAT!!! Get your music on and your typing fingers ready! |
| lu_bodeman |
10:59 |
RT @naomishema: RT @bcnpaul1: RT @rliberni:What to talk about on #eltchat http://bit.ly/jgaL7Y ? I liked the topic on L1 interf. |
| rliberni |
11:00 |
So is pronunciation the Cinderella of the ELT world? #eltchat |
| lolonagi |
11:00 |
RT @Marisa_C: If you are new to #ELTchat please ask your moderators @riberni and me for help - remember to add the #ELTchat hashtag to your tweets |
| Marisa_C |
11:00 |
If you are new to #ELTchat please ask your moderators @riberni and me for help - remember to add the #ELTchat hashtag to your tweets |
| hartle |
11:00 |
RT @BethCagnol: 2mn to #ELTCHAT!!! Get your music on and your typing fingers ready! |
| BobK99 |
11:00 |
#eltchat #efl #bvav Dn-pmnt on my Book of Vowels and Vowel-sounds: http://t.co/otXkYtW. (Poss. also relevance for @vallesco - bt doubtful) |
| hartle |
11:01 |
@naomishema #eltchat Hi Naomi :-) |
| english247 |
11:01 |
RT @LukeMeddings RT @DaveDodgson: @bcnpaul1 examines his 'sole' after a year without shoes http://bit.ly/mzGo9r ;) #ELTchat gr8 read! |
| rliberni |
11:01 |
RT @Marisa_C: Repetition of correct language models is probably sth everyone does in class when teaching new vocabulary - what else do you do? #ELTchat |
| lolonagi |
11:01 |
@rliberni goood question , ss are always concerened about ronunciation #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:01 |
@naomishema hello and welcome :-) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:01 |
Repetition of correct language models is probably sth everyone does in class when teaching new vocabulary - what else do you do? #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
11:01 |
RT @Marisa_C: For the nxt hour my tweets are going to be dediated to teaching pronunciation on #ELTchat Pls join us and RT |
| dreadnought001 |
11:01 |
how much classtime do teachers devote to pronunciation? Less than other skills? #eltchat |
| naomishema |
11:01 |
#eltchat Hi all! |
| vickyloras |
11:01 |
SIG Day 2011 - English Teachers Association of Switzerland http://t.co/hwtRXPb via @ETASTweet #ETAS #SigDay2011 #ELTChat #finnedchat |
| sandymillin |
11:01 |
RT @Marisa_C: What would you like to talk about on Wednesday June 29th? http://bit.ly/jgaL7Y #ELTchat We need more topics... quick! |
| lu_bodeman |
11:02 |
Hmmm...what exactly is a "correct" language model? #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
11:02 |
RT @dreadnought001: @rliberni I think so, many teachers avoid it cos they think they need to know the 'theory' #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:02 |
Do we integrate pron into our classes? #eltchat |
| dreadnought001 |
11:02 |
@rliberni I think so, many teachers avoid it cos they think they need to know the 'theory' #eltchat |
| lolonagi |
11:02 |
@rliberni so how can we teach ss to have good pronunciation #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:02 |
Good evening everyone @hartle @sandymillin #eltchat@lolonagi #ELTchat@rliberni #ELTchat #ELTchat #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
11:02 |
RT @Collaborative: #iatefl #eltchat Cinema Class Avatar Animation & Pronounciation Video http://ht.ly/5tjbG |
| Collaborative |
11:02 |
#iatefl #eltchat Cinema Class Avatar Animation & Pronounciation Video http://ht.ly/5tjbG |
| rliberni |
11:02 |
@lolonagi I agree stds often worry about this #eltchat |
| hartle |
11:03 |
#eltchat with new vocab models, & structures, but also recognition for listening really important, where does 1 word end and another start? |
| Marisa_C |
11:03 |
RT @lu_bodeman: Hmmm...what exactly is a "correct" language model? #ELTchat > Good question - native speaker or not &which native speaker |
| naomishema |
11:03 |
#eltchat When SS read aloud, if they are thinking about pron. how can they focus on reading comprehension at the same time? |
| rliberni |
11:03 |
@lolonagi but what about stress and intonation? #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
11:03 |
@dreadnought001 @rliberni I agree here, I was hesitant to do pron as a newer teacher, also fear that it was death by drilling #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:03 |
@dreadnought001 yes, and many are worried about the CHART I think #eltchat |
| web2literacy |
11:03 |
#eltchat @rliberni I think so, well at least try to |
| lolonagi |
11:03 |
I direct them to online dictionaries #eltchat macmillian.com is a good one to listen to the pronunciation |
| lolonagi |
11:04 |
so what should we do... free speechactivities #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
11:04 |
@rliberni What about minimal pairs? Those can be SO important for meaning and understanding #eltchat #pron |
| Marisa_C |
11:04 |
@hartle So you differentiate between RECOGNITION/DISCRIMINATION practice and PRACTICE/IMITATION #eltchat |
| naomishema |
11:04 |
RT @rliberni: I think sounds are the less important stress and inton can have a much bigger impact #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:04 |
RT @BethCagnol: For the next hour my tweets will be devoted to #ELTCHAT. If I fill up your Twitter window - you're not following enough people! ;-) |
| breatheoutnyc |
11:04 |
RT@hartleYahoo::RSS::Type::DateTime=HASH(0x3f6aa94)#eltchat with new vocab models, & structures, but also recognition for listening r... |
| pacogascon |
11:04 |
#eltChat Hi everyone, got some typing to do, so i'll be mainly lurking & learning |
| rliberni |
11:04 |
I think sounds are the less important stress and inton can have a much bigger impact #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:04 |
For the next hour my tweets will be devoted to #ELTCHAT. If I fill up your Twitter window - you're not following enough people! ;-) |
| dreadnought001 |
11:04 |
i've started to use phones/dictaphones for Ss to record/listen/analyse - helps identify areas to work on #ELTCHAT |
| lolonagi |
11:04 |
@dreadnought001 do u mean phonlogy.... I feel teaching ss how to pronounce words is better than teaching them the theory #eltchat |
| lolonagi |
11:05 |
@dreadnought001 I teach to university ss the IPA and when it comes to it they hate it... #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
11:05 |
@dreadnought001 I found it useful to focus on the *physical* side of it. Esp after seeing Adrian Underhill #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
11:05 |
RT @harrisonmike: @rliberni What about minimal pairs? Those can be SO important for meaning and understanding #eltchat #pron |
| Marisa_C |
11:05 |
@esolcourses Hey sweetie! #ELTchat |
| web2literacy |
11:05 |
#eltchat @naomishema agree but depends on L1 a lot - e.g spanish sts stress and rhythm important |
| theteacherjames |
11:05 |
@lu_bodeman That point is my main problem with a possible over emphasis on pron: there is no "correct" model to base it on. #ELTchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:05 |
RT @dreadnought001: @rliberni I think so, many teachers avoid it cos they think they need to know the 'theory' #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:05 |
@harrisonmike Minimal pairs can be fun to teach #eltchat #pron |
| lu_bodeman |
11:05 |
@Marisa_C Precisely. #ELTchat |
| pacogascon |
11:05 |
@naomishema @rliberni agree, that's so at least 4 spanish learners #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:05 |
@dreadnought001 I make a conscious effort to concentrate part of each lesson on pronunciation. #ELTCHAT |
| dreadnought001 |
11:05 |
@lolonagi yes, I agree but I think teachers still think they need to understand the technical stuff to do it properly #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
11:05 |
RT @dreadnought001: i've started to use phones/dictaphones for Ss to record/listen/analyse - helps identify areas to work on #ELTCHAT |
| esolcourses |
11:05 |
RT @Marisa_C: For the nxt hour my tweets are going to be dediated to teaching pronunciation on #ELTchat Pls join us and RT |
| rliberni |
11:05 |
@rohinkallat Yes, I hear about special elocution lessons - is that true? #eltchat |
| CELT_Athens |
11:05 |
What would you like to talk about on Wednesday June 29th? http://bit.ly/jgaL7Y #ELTchat |
| lu_bodeman |
11:06 |
How about displaying several models, within a variety of contexts + let ss select which they'd feel + comfortable using? #ELTchat |
| lolonagi |
11:06 |
so what should we do... teach theory or not teach theory? #eltchat |
| dreadnought001 |
11:06 |
I think pron is very difficult for non-native teachers - they often feel self-conscious re own pron. Any NNTs comments on this? #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:06 |
@theteacherjames @lu_bodeman Is there a "correct model" to base any teaching on? I wonder. #ELTCHAT |
| hartle |
11:06 |
RT @Marisa_C: @hartle So you differentiate...#eltchat Yes depends wht focus is. Boundaries btwn words cause elem stds a lot of trouble |
| web2literacy |
11:06 |
#eltchat I think sts worry about pronunciation more than anything else - why is that? |
| theteacherjames |
11:06 |
@naomishema I'm certain they can't. As a learner, I don't. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:06 |
@harrisonmike yes you're right I was thking about politeness etc at lower levels which can have a big impact on few words #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:07 |
Do we integrate pron or have dedicated pron sessions? #eltchat |
| naomishema |
11:07 |
@theteacherjames I agree, work on pron can't be done when pupils are reading aloud if we expect them to understand what they read #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:07 |
@lolonagi I think we should give the sts the choice on theory. I have a friend who teaches the IPA to sts and they love it. #ELTCHAT |
| hartle |
11:07 |
#eltchat with listening training stds to listen for streesed content words helps a lot too |
| rliberni |
11:07 |
RT @sandymillin: Here's the summary from the #eltchat we did on pronunciation in February http://wp.me/p18yiK-3p |
| Marisa_C |
11:07 |
@hartle Sound linking very confusing while listening - needs to be taught for recognition #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:07 |
RT @dreadnought001: I think pron is very difficult for non-native teachers - they often feel self-conscious re own pron. Any NNTs comments on this? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
11:07 |
Here's the summary from the #eltchat we did on pronunciation in February http://wp.me/p18yiK-3p |
| harrisonmike |
11:07 |
Adrian Underhill's Pron chart Blog: http://adrianpronchart.wordpress.com/ & guest on TeachingEnglish http://bit.ly/lkYkjh #eltchat |
| linjaaho |
11:07 |
RT @vickyloras: Required reading for educators,super post!RT @Waukeestudent I Failed via @waukeestudent: http://bit.ly/kZ0Xfr #edu #ELTChat #finnedchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
11:07 |
RT @Marisa_C: What would you like to talk about on Wednesday June 29th? http://bit.ly/jgaL7Y #ELTchat We need more topics... quick! |
| web2literacy |
11:08 |
@rliberni #eltchat Integrate |
| BethCagnol |
11:08 |
@harrisonmike Cool link! Thanks Mike. The Pronunciation App sounds interesting too. #ELTCHAT |
| rliberni |
11:08 |
RT @mkofab: @dreadnought001 we concentrate on correct pronunciation - not accent. Lots of help these day from dictionaries #eltchat |
| mkofab |
11:08 |
@dreadnought001 we concentrate on correct pronunciation - not accent. Lots of help these day from dictionaries #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
11:08 |
@rliberni Teach it when it comes up as an issue/area for improvement for most of the class #eltchat |
| hartle |
11:08 |
RT @Marisa_C: @hartle Sound linking very confusing while listening - needs to be taught for recognition #eltchat yes |
| Marisa_C |
11:08 |
RT @rliberni: Do we integrate pron or have dedicated pron sessions? #eltchat> Depends on the learners and the course |
| dreadnought001 |
11:08 |
@harrisonmike agree re physical, as a teacher don't need a lot of theory, just to be aware of own mouth/sounds #ELTchat |
| web2literacy |
11:08 |
@harrisonmike #eltchat the phonemic chart is always an issue in ESOL as we are introducing extra scripts |
| hartle |
11:08 |
RT @sandymillin: Here's the summary from the #eltchat we did on pronunciation in February http://wp.me/p18yiK-3p |
| Marisa_C |
11:08 |
Tonight @esolcourses is guest moderating with @riberni and me - Welcome Sue!!!!! #ELTchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:09 |
@naomishema @theteacherjames I tend not to ask students to understand what they read when reading aloud. Any thoughts? #ELTCHAT |
| hartle |
11:09 |
RT @BethCagnol: @lolonagi I think we should give the sts the choice on theory...#ELTCHAT If it helps thm, theynsoon learn to love it. |
| lu_bodeman |
11:09 |
RT@web2literacy #eltchat I think sts worry about pronunciation + than anything else - why is that? >> things are quite diff here |
| lolonagi |
11:09 |
@sandymillin could u post a link for it #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
11:09 |
@bethcagnol @lu_bodeman There are agreed (if somewhat loose) norms of what is acceptable - gram, spell. Pron. seems more open. #ELTCHAT |
| dreadnought001 |
11:09 |
@rliberni generally integrate, though have done dedicated courses in past. Bloody hard work tho!! #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:09 |
Is there a case then for having dedicated pron lessons? #eltchat |
| pacogascon |
11:09 |
@rliberni it's normally integrated, but some sessions can be specifically devoted to it, not too many tho #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
11:09 |
@web2literacy this is true, but the phonemic symbols are useful at higher levels and understanding them is a study skill #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
11:09 |
Weak forms really useful for SS to understand native speaker speech #eltchat |
| lolonagi |
11:09 |
@mkofab but what about accent... they need it sometimes #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:09 |
RT @Marisa_C: Tonight @esolcourses is guest moderating with @riberni and me - Welcome Sue!!!!! #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
11:09 |
I've been doing a lot of work on weak forms recently as SS really struggle with them. 'Weak forms' by Colin Mortimer is great #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
11:09 |
This week's #eltpics topic is #people. Should be nice and easy! Tweet w/ hashtag, like so: wp.me/p18yiK-8y #eltchat #efl #esl #esol #elt |
| Marisa_C |
11:09 |
RT @CELT_Athens: What would you like to talk about on Wednesday June 29th? http://bit.ly/jgaL7Y #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
11:10 |
RT @Marisa_C: Tonight @esolcourses is guest moderating with @riberni and @Marisa_C - Welcome Sue!!!!! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:10 |
@hartle I agree wholeheartedly that if the T shows that pron is important and does regular work, they Ss end up liking it #ELTCHAT |
| theteacherjames |
11:10 |
@bethcagnol @naomishema I never get them to read aloud! I've never found a purpose for it. #ELTCHAT |
| web2literacy |
11:10 |
@harrisonmike agree with you on this, but is it useful as a classroom teaching tool in ESOL? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:10 |
@dreadnought001 I agree, in 1 college we used to offer pron as a lunchtime option 1 hour very popular actually #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
11:10 |
RT @esolcourses: Cheers Marisa, & hi everyone! If you are new, please ask your mods @Marisa_C @rliberni & me for help - remember to add the #ELTchat hashtag |
| hartle |
11:10 |
RT @rliberni: Is there a case then for having dedicated pron lessons? #eltchat more natural if integrated, I think |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:10 |
Hi there everyone #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
11:10 |
Cheers Marisa, & hi everyone! If you are new, please ask your mods @Marisa_C @rliberni & me for help - remember to add the #ELTchat hashtag |
| sandymillin |
11:10 |
RT @lolonagi: @sandymillin could u post a link for it #eltchat >the colin mortimer book seems to be out-of-print according to Amazon :( |
| NoraTouparlaki |
11:10 |
RT @CELT_Athens: What would you like to talk about on Wednesday June 29th? http://bit.ly/jgaL7Y #ELTchat |
| mkofab |
11:11 |
@lolonagi Understand: as many accents as possible Produce: British mostly or US . SS have more problems with word stress #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
11:11 |
@web2literacy I used it a number of times in classes frm E1 2 L1 2 raise awareness of different sounds. told sts 2 focus on mouth #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
11:11 |
I tend to teach pronunciation when it comes up, unless SS have poor *listening* skills, in which case I do dedicated session #eltchat |
| hartle |
11:11 |
RT @BethCagnol: @naomishema @theteacherjames I tend not to ask students...#ELTCHAT not a fan of reading aloud, Unnatural, difficult etc. |
| Vimpela |
11:11 |
RT @pacogascon: i often tell ss pronunctiation is not THAT important as long as your speech is intelligible #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:11 |
RT @BethCagnol: I find pronunciation is handy 2 use in a multi-level class. Everyone learns something & are on the same playing field. #ELTCHAT |
| Marisa_C |
11:11 |
@lu_bodeman I have that book but I must admit I have never become very fond of it #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:11 |
I find pronunciation is handy 2 use in a multi-level class. Everyone learns something & are on the same playing field. #ELTCHAT |
| naomishema |
11:11 |
RT @pacogascon: i often tell ss pronunctiation is not THAT important as long as your speech is intelligible #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:11 |
@hartle tho with some stds it might be good to spend some dedicated time #eltchat |
| lolonagi |
11:11 |
@theteacherjames yeeeeeeeeeeeeeees reading aloud.... what a hassle... #eltchat |
| pacogascon |
11:11 |
i often tell ss pronunctiation is not THAT important as long as your speech is intelligible #eltchat |
| lu_bodeman |
11:11 |
I like using the book Pronunciation Games...ss enjoy pron work more that way #eltchat |
| hartle |
11:12 |
I use phonetic symbols for correction in class #eltchat stds can read wht they mispronounced then see correct model. They like it. |
| lolonagi |
11:12 |
RT @mkofab: Great IATEFL session http://bit.ly/lZHo5X #eltchat |
| web2literacy |
11:12 |
@harrisonmike #eltchat I think highly useful too as a teacher, I just wonder from the learners' perspectives |
| rliberni |
11:12 |
RT @mkofab: Great IATEFL session http://bit.ly/lZHo5X #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
11:12 |
RT @harrisonmike: @web2literacy this is true, but the phonemic symbols are useful at higher levels and understanding them is a study skill #eltchat |
| pacogascon |
11:12 |
@sandymillin so u dont think it's necessary 4 advanced learners? #eltchat |
| mkofab |
11:12 |
Great IATEFL session http://bit.ly/lZHo5X #eltchat |
| naomishema |
11:12 |
#eltchat - from my experience with kids with hearing problems, intonation is more important than sounds in understanding their speech! |
| rliberni |
11:12 |
Waht other books do ppl recommend - if any? #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:12 |
@theteacherjames Phew! I feel better now. Honestly, I felt bad about not liking reading aloud. #ELTCHAT |
| teacher_prix |
11:12 |
RT @rliberni: So is pronunciation the Cinderella of the ELT world? #eltchat |
| lu_bodeman |
11:12 |
http://t.co/HnFnDqn #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:12 |
RT @lu_bodeman: I like using the book Pronunciation Games...ss enjoy pron work more that way #eltchat |
| tarabenwell |
11:13 |
RT @mkofab Great IATEFL session http://t.co/cokzQYJ #eltchat >Agreed. I recommend this one all of the time! |
| BethCagnol |
11:13 |
@Marisa_C @lu_bodeman I have 2 agree w/ Marisa. Only a few mazes in that book caught on w/ students. Also, it's very UK-focused ;) #ELTCHAT |
| rliberni |
11:13 |
RT @Marisa_C: Pronunciation is one of my fave topics to teach on TT courses, and yet may teachers seem to think it's a difficult area #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:13 |
Pronunciation is one of my fave topics to teach on TT courses, and yet may teachers seem to think it's a difficult area #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
11:13 |
@bethcagnol Didn't you see @kenwilsonlondon's talk at IATEFL? He feels very strongly about it, as you can imagine! #ELTCHAT |
| rliberni |
11:13 |
@pacogascon I find advanced students ask for it more - tho don't always like it! #eltchat |
| dreadnought001 |
11:13 |
how important do your Ss think pron is? I often find they think it more important than I do! #ELTCHAT |
| sandymillin |
11:13 |
@pacogascon I think pronunciation is necessary for all students, and I love working on it :) but cn b boring if done for 90 mins #eltchat |
| naomishema |
11:13 |
#eltchat I'm so glad to hear that many of you aren't thrilled by reading aloud. I still encounter it... |
| teacher_prix |
11:13 |
RT @Marisa_C: Repetition of correct lgg models is probably sth everyone does in class when tching new vocab- what else do you do? #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
11:13 |
RT @teacher_prix: RT @rliberni: So is pronunciation the Cinderella of the ELT world? #eltchat good point... sometimes I think it is |
| BethCagnol |
11:14 |
@Marisa_C @lu_bodeman UK based meaning the mazes didn't work until we adopted a British accent. #ELTCHAT |
| Collaborative |
11:14 |
#eltchat #iatefl Somatic Computing in 3D - Extending the Body to Learn by Doing http://ht.ly/5tjQd |
| lu_bodeman |
11:14 |
RT@Marisa_C I have that book but I must admit I have never become very fond of it #eltchat >> I've had good results :) |
| pacogascon |
11:14 |
What English variety do u guys rely on when teaching pronuctiation? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:14 |
@Marisa_C me too I used to do the pron modules in TESOL and really enjoyed doing it #eltchat |
| web2literacy |
11:14 |
@Marisa_C #eltchat yes - why are teachers a little afraid of it? |
| BethCagnol |
11:14 |
@theteacherjames @kenwilsonlondon Seen his talk and read the entire blog post on reading aloud. Music to my ears. #ELTCHAT |
| lolonagi |
11:14 |
@Marisa_C exactly... could not agree more #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
11:15 |
What has that got to do with #eltchat? Spam? RT @Collaborative: #eltchat #iatefl Somatic Computing in 3D [link removed] |
| sandymillin |
11:15 |
RT @lu_bodeman: I like using the book Pronunciation Games...ss enjoy pron work more that way #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:15 |
RT @Marisa_C: Don't forget to check out the summary for a recent #ELTchat on a similar question http://bit.ly/eZMk5N |
| BethCagnol |
11:15 |
RT @tarabenwell: RT @mkofab Great IATEFL session http://t.co/cokzQYJ #eltchat >Agreed. I recommend this one all of the time! |
| Marisa_C |
11:15 |
Don't forget to check out the summary for a recent #ELTchat on a similar question http://bit.ly/eZMk5N |
| rliberni |
11:15 |
RT @dreadnought001: anyone use pron games in class? I know a few but would love to hear a few more, can be a dry subject at times, just repeating etc #eltchat |
| mkofab |
11:15 |
dreadnought001 Very important - grammar/vocab might be advanced . if pronun is bad it seems "poor" English . #eltchat |
| dreadnought001 |
11:15 |
anyone use pron games in class? I know a few but would love to hear a few more, can be a dry subject at times, just repeating etc #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
11:15 |
@bethcagnol Me too. It was nice to see someone much more knowledgeable then me saying it too! #ELTCHAT |
| web2literacy |
11:15 |
@pacogascon #eltchat such a good point |
| colorincolorado |
11:15 |
Looking for a new job? Check out our interview tips for #ESL/#bilingual teachers! http://ow.ly/5rmRN #ellchat #eltchat #jobs #teaching |
| lu_bodeman |
11:16 |
@bethcagnol @Marisa_C The mazes R the ones I use the most .#eltchat |
| pacogascon |
11:16 |
@harrisonmike @Collaborative spam 4 sure #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:16 |
@pacogascon Honestly, I rely on my own: American. But make students aware of UK pron. #ELTCHAT |
| Marisa_C |
11:16 |
RT @dreadnought001: anyone use pron games in class? I know a few but would love to hear a few more, can be a dry subject at times, #eltchat |
| pacogascon |
11:16 |
@web2literacy RP has traditionally been the one to follow in Spain #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:16 |
Any suggestions for games, exs or books? #eltchat |
| pacogascon |
11:17 |
@rliberni try to get ss familioar with phonetic symbols and keep a poster stuck on the wall Useful #eltchat |
| lu_bodeman |
11:17 |
RT @Marisa_C @dreadnought001 anyone use pron games in class? I would love to hear a few more... #eltchat >> me too! |
| Marisa_C |
11:17 |
@dreadnought001 Have a look at some online activities #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:17 |
RT @web2literacy: #eltchat remember my first ever lesson teaching, I wrote a word on the board and the student said 'can you transcribe that 4me?' |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:17 |
What we thing we say can be completely different to what we actually say. #eltchat |
| naomishema |
11:17 |
RT @web2literacy: #eltchat remember my first ever lesson teaching, I wrote a word on the board and the student said 'can you transcribe that 4me?' |
| rliberni |
11:17 |
RT @naomishema: #eltchat Do you bring recordings of other accents into class? |
| rliberni |
11:17 |
RT @lu_bodeman: @bethcagnol @Marisa_C The mazes R the ones I use the most .#eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
11:17 |
RT @pacogascon: i often tell ss pronunctiation is not THAT important as long as your speech is intelligible >> Couldn't agree more. #eltchat |
| Sarah_WG |
11:17 |
RT @bethcagnol: @pacogascon Honestly, I rely on my own: American. But make students aware of UK pron. #ELTCHAT > yep, me too! |
| web2literacy |
11:17 |
#eltchat remember my first ever lesson teaching, I wrote a word on the board and the student said 'can you transcribe that 4me?' |
| sandymillin |
11:17 |
@hartle @BethCagnol @naomishema @theteacherjames one of my 121 SS loved reading aloud as she learnt a lot of pron + we discsd vocab #ELTCHAT |
| naomishema |
11:17 |
#eltchat Do you bring recordings of other accents into class? |
| tarabenwell |
11:18 |
A previous #ELTChat related to pronunciation helped inspire us to focus on pronunciation on EnglishClub this year. Lots of new resources. |
| esolcourses |
11:18 |
RT @naomishema: #eltchat Do you bring recordings of other accents into class? ] I do - I think it helps. Few people speak standard English |
| theteacherjames |
11:18 |
@sandymillin @hartle @BethCagnol @naomishema Those seems like different activities to me. 2nd didn't need to be aloud. Side effect. #ELTCHAT |
| rliberni |
11:18 |
@web2literacy that's scary! I can never remember them all we used to have chart in every c'room gr8 idea! #eltchat |
| web2literacy |
11:18 |
#eltchat so I went home and learned the phonemic chart the best I could - In Bulgaria the sts were better than me and I had to catch up |
| pacogascon |
11:19 |
@esolcourses @naomishema my ss find it hassling to be exposed to diff accents, but it is just neccessary #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:19 |
I have a poster for my classes with lots of adverbs, HAPPILY, TRAGICALLY, EXCITEDLY, SADLY, ANGRILY ETC to use for repetition #ELTchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:19 |
Can I make a plug for our pronunciation software here or is that inappropriate? #eltchat |
| Sarah_WG |
11:19 |
I've used games (still do though adapted for YLs) from Pronunciation Games by Mark Hancock. http://amzn.to/lMcJI2 #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
11:19 |
RT @pacogascon: What English variety do u guys rely on when teaching pronuctiation? #eltchat >my English (standard Brit w/ midlands featurs) |
| web2literacy |
11:19 |
@rliberni #eltchat it is a great tool though, but in some countries the learners know it better than we do |
| janetbianchini |
11:19 |
RT @hartle Inspiration for tired EFL Teachers on @scoopit http://t.co/z57QbiQ #eltchat, #efl, #elearning - a lovely collection Sharon!! |
| web2literacy |
11:20 |
@dreadnought001 yep and well done to them - do you think it is useful? #eltchat |
| pacogascon |
11:20 |
RT @eyespeakbrasil: Thin about pronunciation as communication rather than a classroom exercise. #eltchat |
| hartle |
11:20 |
#eltchat http://ow.ly/1uc2u0 good book of games by Mark Hancock tht I sometimes use |
| sandymillin |
11:20 |
RT @Marisa_C: Don't forget to check out the summary for a recent #ELTchat on a similar question http://bit.ly/eZMk5N |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:20 |
Thin about pronunciation as communication rather than a classroom exercise. #eltchat |
| mkofab |
11:20 |
@web2literacy I don't ask them to learn that anymore. They use their dictionary on computer with UK/US pronunciation #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:20 |
Students can act out a dialog ad nauseam if you ask them to adopt different attitudes - #ELTchat - great for intonation |
| dreadnought001 |
11:20 |
@web2literacy had same experience in Poland. Eastern Europeans really know their phonemic charts :-) #eltchat |
| web2literacy |
11:20 |
#eltchat which is great of course but for example in ESOL how do you deal with the mix of language learning backgrounds |
| anikalma |
11:20 |
@naomishema fab vid on youtube: 21 Accents by Amy Walker #ELTchat |
| brad5patterson |
11:20 |
RT @rliberni: RT @hartle: Students Becoming Curators of Information? http://t.co/NJ9DmPT great post #elt #eltchat |
| snapanda |
11:20 |
RT @rliberni: RT @hartle: Students Becoming Curators of Information? http://t.co/NJ9DmPT great post #elt #eltchat |
| lu_bodeman |
11:21 |
RT @eyespeakbrasil: Thin about pronunciation as communication rather than a classroom exercise. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:21 |
RT @naomishema: #eltchat saying words aloud has connection to the brain & memory of vocab. Even for deaf SS whom U can't understand its good to say aloud |
| naomishema |
11:21 |
#eltchat saying words aloud has connection to the brain & memory of vocab. Even for deaf SS whom U can't understand its good to say aloud |
| Sarah_WG |
11:21 |
@bethcagnol Third #ELTCHAT! Youpi! |
| Marisa_C |
11:21 |
RT @eyespeakbrasil: Focus on perception rather than production #eltchat > on both actually - but input before output important |
| lolonagi |
11:21 |
so what techniques do u use to improve ss pronunciation #eltchat? |
| lu_bodeman |
11:21 |
RT @web2literacy: #eltchat which is great of course but for example in ESOL how do you deal with the mix of language learning backgrounds |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:21 |
Focus on perception rather than production #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:21 |
@web2literacy I'm sure you're right and where stds use it like this is is a gr8 tool. I teach it to stds where I can #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:21 |
@Sarah_WG Word up sista! #ELTCHAT |
| lu_bodeman |
11:21 |
1 of ss' gr8est challenges is learning the TH sound, since we don't have that in Portuguese. It comes out as F, or S, T or D. #eltchat |
| Collaborative |
11:21 |
#eltchat @pacogascon needs more competition, less rhetoric propaganda & flaming > thumb twiddling http://ht.ly/5tkbC |
| rliberni |
11:22 |
RT @tarabenwell: Some of my online sts are recording a pronunciation "sample": http://t.co/9m3boTf It is helping me find their weaknesses. #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
11:22 |
Anyone use mirrors? For sound production can be fun but poss best done in private! #eltchat |
| tarabenwell |
11:22 |
Some of my online sts are recording a pronunciation "sample": http://t.co/9m3boTf It is helping me find their weaknesses. #ELTChat |
| esolcourses |
11:22 |
@pacogascon @naomishema yes - agree it can be tough on students, but as you say, necessary. #eltchat |
| hartle |
11:22 |
Often pron is one of the biggestprobs when speaking for learners but it's true tht it often isn't invited to the ball. #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:22 |
Sts need immediate feedback, and comparison - voice software does that. #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
11:22 |
British Library has a brilliant interactive map of different British accents http://bit.ly/m4Z5zx #eltchat |
| dreadnought001 |
11:22 |
@Marisa_C which online activities would you recommend? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:23 |
@tarabenwell I get my stds to record themselves too & then analyse their own recording they pick up a lot themselves ! #eltchat |
| Sarah_WG |
11:23 |
RT @rliberni: Anyone use mirrors? #eltchat > not yet but my YLs would love that for sticking out their tongues on "TH"! |
| hartle |
11:23 |
RT @lu_bodeman: 1 of ss' gr8est challenges ...#eltchat according to Jennifer Jenkins the th sound is due to disappear anyway. |
| lolonagi |
11:23 |
RT @lu_bodeman: One way I get around diff sounds is by comparison with sounds in L1. Works out well. #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
11:23 |
Tip: I always take time to over-exaggerate mouth position when teaching pron of sounds, also then just mouth words w/no sound #eltchat |
| lu_bodeman |
11:23 |
One way I get around diff sounds is by comparison with sounds in L1. Works out well. #eltchat |
| tarabenwell |
11:23 |
RT @sandymillin: British Library has a brilliant interactive map of different British accents http://bit.ly/m4Z5zx #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
11:23 |
@rliberni I learnt the phonetic chart using the English File version...it's great! http://bit.ly/iKmTUg #eltchat |
| web2literacy |
11:23 |
@pacogascon agreed is RP the right model to follow, is there a right model and what do you think about this? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:23 |
@dreadnought001 I love http://bit.ly/4LK1XE but recently turned into a paying site - however well worth it I think #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
11:23 |
RT @hartle: Often pron is one of the biggest probs when speaking for learners but it's true tht it often isn't invited to the ball. #eltchat |
| lolonagi |
11:23 |
RT @tarabenwell: Some of my online sts are recording a pronunciation "sample": http://t.co/9m3boTf It is helping me find their weaknesses. #ELTChat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:24 |
@rliberni They have to make comparisons - recording is okay but there's no comparison. #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:24 |
@Sarah_WG @rliberni Yup. Use mirrors (for the /th/) #ELTCHAT Good fun. |
| esolcourses |
11:24 |
I record audio for beginners and upload it to my site, so that they can practise outside lessons - learners tell me it helps #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
11:24 |
@lolonagi Yes silent way focuses on pronunciation through the use of Fadel charts #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:24 |
RT @Marisa_C: Demos and mirrors are great tools - feathers and bits of small paper too for Plosives #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
11:24 |
@bethcagnol silent mouthing of words n sounds, I do sometimes. #eltchat |
| naomishema |
11:24 |
RT @lu_bodeman: One way I get around diff sounds is by comparison with sounds in L1. Works out well. #eltchat Except for sounds like th / w |
| pacogascon |
11:24 |
@web2literacy i dont think theres a single model to follow. In South America the model is AmE #eltchat |
| lolonagi |
11:24 |
@bethcagnol silent way #eltchat? |
| rliberni |
11:24 |
@Sarah_WG yesh, I think it would work well with YLs #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:24 |
Demos and mirrors are great tools - feathers and bits of small paper too for Plosives #ELTchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:24 |
Anyone here use Silent Way for pronunciation? I don't. But just curious. #ELTCHAT |
| sandymillin |
11:25 |
The BBC pronunciation pages are great: http://bbc.in/kHHnSb #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:25 |
What they think they hear, isn't necessarily correct. #eltchat |
| dreadnought001 |
11:25 |
if not mentioned already, strongly recommend Cambridge pron site http://bit.ly/jYCUlN loads of great games for Ss #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:25 |
@lolonagi http://t.co/YUrmjoG #ELTCHAT - it's a way of using colors to teach sounds then words. |
| lolonagi |
11:25 |
@shaznosel website #eltchat? |
| Marisa_C |
11:25 |
I meant 'small bits of paper' :-D #ELTchat |
| hartle |
11:25 |
RT @naomishema: #eltchat even reading silently involves imagining the pronunciation , the sound comes before the rreading |
| shaznosel |
11:25 |
#eltchat - pronunciation games..check out MARK HANCOCK - CUP - he is the guru! |
| tarabenwell |
11:25 |
@rliberni Yes, finding the time to review all of the recordings is the problem. :) #ELTChat They help each other out a lot too! |
| krivett1 |
11:25 |
RT @CliveSir: #RSCON3 - One Month Today! Fab 3day global online conference for tchrs by tchrs reformsymposium.com #elt #efl #eltchat |
| profesortbaker |
11:25 |
What is it Like to be a KIPP Teacher? http://t.co/cL9dUEe #eltchat #edchat #ukedchat #esl #education #cpchat #elemchat #IATEFL #lrnchat #efl |
| naomishema |
11:26 |
RT @sandymillin: For the TH sound get SS to put their finger to their lips. Their tongue should touch their finger to make both sounds (un/voiced). #eltchat |
| mkofab |
11:26 |
Some pronun quizes BBC Learning English http://bbc.in/iNZ2DE #eltchat |
| Sarah_WG |
11:26 |
RT @shaznosel: #eltchat pronunciation games..check out MARK HANCOCK > The Pronunciation Journey game is lots of fun for everyone! |
| sandymillin |
11:26 |
For the TH sound get SS to put their finger to their lips. Their tongue should touch their finger to make both sounds (un/voiced). #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
11:26 |
1/2 Using the mind's ear I think's important, something else I learnt watchin Ad Underhill - say sound, sts say it in their head #eltchat... |
| rliberni |
11:26 |
RT @Mextesol_PVR: RT @dreadnought001: strongly recommend Cambridge pronunciation site http://bit.ly/jYCUlN loads of great games for Ss #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:26 |
RT @dreadnought001: if not mentioned already, strongly recommend Cambridge pron site http://bit.ly/jYCUlN l #eltchat > for Ts too! |
| lolonagi |
11:26 |
RT @Mextesol_PVR: RT @dreadnought001: strongly recommend Cambridge pronunciation site http://bit.ly/jYCUlN loads of great games for Ss #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:26 |
RT @sandymillin: The BBC pronunciation pages are great: http://bbc.in/kHHnSb #eltchat |
| Mextesol_PVR |
11:26 |
RT @dreadnought001: strongly recommend Cambridge pronunciation site http://bit.ly/jYCUlN loads of great games for Ss #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:26 |
@tarabenwell that's a great solution as it helps all of them gr8 idea! #eltchat |
| Ilotimo |
11:26 |
RT @vickyloras: SIG Day 2011 - English Teachers Association of Switzerland http://t.co/hwtRXPb via @ETASTweet #ETAS #SigDay2011 #ELTChat #finnedchat |
| Sarah_WG |
11:26 |
RT @web20education: #TEDxPhiladelphiaED live on Ustream #iste11 #iste #edtech20 #edchat#elemchat #eltchat #yltsig http://t.co/t5mwyJP |
| rliberni |
11:27 |
RT @theteacherjames: Is there any point in teaching pron. other than achieving intelligibility? And intelligible to whom? #ELTChat |
| sandymillin |
11:27 |
@esolcourses same SS who enjoyed reading aloud asked me to record the text on her iPhone to listen to 4 pron after class #ELTChat |
| hartle |
11:27 |
RT @harrisonmike: 1/2 Using the mind's ear I think's important, something else I learnt watchin Ad Underhill - say sound, sts say it in their head #eltchat... |
| rliberni |
11:27 |
@eyespeakbrasil yes, but they wouldn't do this cold - they'd have already worked with models #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
11:27 |
2/2 ...then you nominate sts to say the sound. better than mindless choral or individual drilling #eltchat |
| web2literacy |
11:27 |
@pacogascon #eltchat of course you are right, its an issue that grates me in Spain at the moment - there is some kind of notion of RP |
| theteacherjames |
11:27 |
Is there any point in teaching pron. other than achieving intelligibility? And intelligible to whom? #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
11:27 |
RT @mkofab: Some pronun quizes BBC Learning English http://bbc.in/iNZ2DE #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
11:28 |
You can get SS to mime sounds as well without actually making sounds -makes them more aware of movements needed #eltchat |
| lu_bodeman |
11:28 |
RT@sandymillin For TH sound get SS to put finger to lips. Tongue should touch finger to make both sounds (un/voiced). #eltchat >> nice! |
| rliberni |
11:28 |
RT @esolcourses: A great site for pronunciation practice - Forvo - tons of files uploaded by native speakers, with CC licence http://www.forvo.com/ #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
11:28 |
RT @tarabenwell: I couldn't get by without this keyboard: http://t.co/q9dLA4y #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
11:28 |
RT @naomishema: @theteacherjames intelligible for job interviews? for picking up girls at the beach? LOL #eltchat |
| tarabenwell |
11:28 |
I couldn't get by without this keyboard: http://t.co/q9dLA4y #ELTChat |
| esolcourses |
11:28 |
A great site for pronunciation practice - Forvo - tons of files uploaded by native speakers, with CC licence http://www.forvo.com/ #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
11:28 |
@theteacherjames all depends where the std has to 'perform' and to whom? #eltchat |
| naomishema |
11:28 |
@theteacherjames intelligible for job interviews? for picking up girls at the beach? LOL #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:28 |
4 the /H/ I use the back of sts hands - so they can feel the hair. Learned that @ a school where @Sarah_WG & I worked 2gether. :-) #ELTCHAT |
| pacogascon |
11:28 |
lurking mode on.. dinner #eltchat |
| web2literacy |
11:28 |
#eltchat @pacogascon and I'm from Yorkshire in northern England and it surprises the learners the way I speak sometimes |
| Edteck1 |
11:28 |
RT @profesortbaker: What is it Like to be a KIPP Teacher? http://t.co/cL9dUEe #eltchat #edchat #ukedchat #esl #education #cpchat #elemchat #IATEFL #lrnchat #efl |
| harrisonmike |
11:29 |
RT @esolcourses: A great site for pronunciation practice - Forvo - tons of files uploaded by native speakers, with CC licence http://www.forvo.com/ #ELTChat |
| sandymillin |
11:29 |
RT @esolcourses: @sandymillin think recording s's (with permission) is very useful for identifying pronunciation that needs to be worked on #ELTChat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:29 |
@Marisa_C this has been studied and you're supposed to begin with chunks, not phonemes #eltchat #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
11:29 |
@harrisonmike I use the chart when having to sing (choir) in an unknown lang v useful #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
11:29 |
@sandymillin think recording s's (with permission) is very useful for identifying pronunciation that needs to be worked on #ELTChat |
| BethCagnol |
11:29 |
@tarabenwell Oh that is just COOL!! Bookmarked. #ELTCHAT |
| theteacherjames |
11:29 |
@rliberni Which surely brings into question the idea of a 'correct' model? #eltchat |
| mkofab |
11:29 |
RT @sandymillin: @theteacherjames pronunciation is important for listening skills too - they need to be aware of how the Eng they hear most sounds #ELTChat |
| sandymillin |
11:29 |
@theteacherjames pronunciation is important for listening skills too - they need to be aware of how the Eng they hear most sounds #ELTChat |
| naomishema |
11:29 |
RT @Marisa_C: I think individual sound articulation is overrated and intonation, sentence stress and chunking work underrated #ELTchat Much more important |
| naomishema |
11:29 |
RT @sandymillin: You can get SS to mime sounds as well without actually making sounds -makes them more aware of movements needed #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
11:29 |
Do you ever (try to) teach the pron of words in different accent to your own? I admit trying a bad American voice at times! #eltchat |
| hartle |
11:29 |
RT @theteacherjames: #ELTChat What you want is intelligibility to other speakers not native like perfection wherever ... |
| Marisa_C |
11:29 |
I think individual sound articulation is overrated and intonation, sentence stress and chunking work underrated #ELTchat Much more important |
| rliberni |
11:29 |
RT @sandymillin: You can get SS to mime sounds as well without actually making sounds -makes them more aware of movements needed #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:29 |
RT @Sarah_WG: RT @web20education: #TEDxPhiladelphiaED live on Ustream #iste11 #iste #edtech20 #edchat#elemchat #eltchat #yltsig http://t.co/t5mwyJP |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:30 |
@web2literacy Or teachers that have experienced this in other languages #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
11:30 |
RT @esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: I think individual sound articulation is overrated and intonation, sentence stress and chunking work underrated #ELTchat |
| lolonagi |
11:30 |
@web2literacy exactly... #eltchat.. they feel ss |
| Sarah_WG |
11:30 |
RT @rliberni: @theteacherjames std has to 'perform' and to whom? #eltchat > Many sts feel defeated after year… (cont) http://deck.ly/~ZH7Yh |
| theteacherjames |
11:30 |
@hartle And most of those speakers will not be native speakers either, presumably? #ELTChat |
| BethCagnol |
11:30 |
@tarabenwell Thank you thank you thank you!!! Been looking for something like that for ages. http://t.co/0lxrA0c #ELTCHAT |
| esolcourses |
11:30 |
RT @Marisa_C: I think individual sound articulation is overrated and intonation, sentence stress and chunking work underrated #ELTchat |
| lu_bodeman |
11:30 |
RT @Marisa_C: I think individual sound articulation is overrated and intonation, sentence stress and chunking work underrated #ELTchat Much more important |
| anikalma |
11:30 |
A free online Talking English Pronunciation Dictionary : http://bit.ly/wZGFW #ELTchat |
| web2literacy |
11:30 |
#eltchat The best English teachers are often non-native speakers because they have been through it as language learners |
| sandymillin |
11:30 |
@esolcourses definitely - SS started requesting recordings as they could hear how useful they were - grt 4 awareness-raising #ELTChat |
| harrisonmike |
11:30 |
RT @tarabenwell: I couldn't get by without this keyboard: http://t.co/q9dLA4y #ELTChat |
| hartle |
11:30 |
RT @Marisa_C: I think individual sound articulation is overrated and intonation, sentence stress and chunking work underrated #ELTchat Much more important |
| lauraahaha |
11:30 |
Please say hi to my Trinity trainees - week 4 starts today & they've got an input sesh on tech this pm! Thx! #efl #tefl #elt #esl #eltchat |
| lu_bodeman |
11:31 |
How do U deal with connected speech i.e. "If I could've, I would've? " But it does generate laughter in class, for sure. #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
11:31 |
Practising producing and listening to connected speech is as, if not more, important than individual sounds #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:31 |
@harrisonmike I've been told my British accent ain't half bad. ;-) #ELTCHAT |
| Marisa_C |
11:31 |
Pronunciation work then should be integrated in every lesson/ Do you agree? #ELTchat |
| samshep |
11:31 |
@harrisonmike I have to allow for having a southern accent but learners live in north and have northern accents #prejudice etc. #ELTchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:31 |
@hartle So how do you do that without a teacher present? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:31 |
@theteacherjames we can use a standard but even our own pron is going to be diff - but we need sthing to model IMO #eltchat |
| lolonagi |
11:31 |
RT @anikalma: A free online Talking English Pronunciation Dictionary : http://bit.ly/wZGFW #ELTchat |
| hartle |
11:31 |
RT @esolcourses: @sandymillin think recording s's (with permission) is very useful for identifying pronunciation that needs to be worked on #ELTChat |
| lolonagi |
11:31 |
RT @BethCagnol: @tarabenwell Thank you thank you thank you!!! Been looking for something like that for ages. http://t.co/0lxrA0c #ELTCHAT |
| tarabenwell |
11:31 |
In our Audio Speaking Group we're working really hard on improving tone. Some sts sound so robotic when they start. #ELTChat |
| hartle |
11:31 |
#eltchat awareness raising of own errors really important to like Italian ghost vowels. |
| stopspanglish |
11:31 |
RT @JoeMcVeigh: Today and tomorrow CUP is offering some of their ELT mobile phone apps for free:. Mostly test prep: http://bit.ly/jGd304 #ELTchat #TESOL |
| harrisonmike |
11:32 |
Surely every lesson you speak in is a lesson that has work on pron, if only passively for the sts ;o) #eltchat |
| web2literacy |
11:32 |
#eltchat Sometimes I hate being a native speaker because it devalues me as a teacher - you speak English, that's good enough for me! |
| Marisa_C |
11:32 |
RT @tarabenwell: @bethcagnol Yep! It's awesome. I use it in combo with our Interactive Phonemic Chart. http://englishclub.com/s/?DP #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
11:32 |
@eyespeakbrasil yes but I don't think there is harm in them hearing themselves #eltchat |
| naomishema |
11:32 |
#eltchat can't ignore the fact that some accents problematic. when Ts pron. /h/ as a guttural sound (ch?) it causes ss to think badly of ts |
| lu_bodeman |
11:32 |
RT @web2literacy: #eltchat The best English teachers are often non-native speakers because they have been through it as language learners |
| Marisa_C |
11:32 |
RT @samshep: @Marisa_C agree that suprasegmental pron of higher value #ELTchat > Much more important |
| tarabenwell |
11:32 |
@bethcagnol Yep! It's awesome. I use it in combo with our Interactive Phonemic Chart. http://t.co/Gy0kEMK #ELTChat |
| hartle |
11:32 |
RT @theteacherjames: @hartle And most of those speakers will not be native speakers either, presumably? #ELTChat absolutely :-) |
| samshep |
11:32 |
@Marisa_C agree that suprasegmental pron of higher value #ELTchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:32 |
@rliberni exactly - comparison, in sentences, stress, pattern, intonation with a teacher modelling the speech #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
11:32 |
@sandymillin I'm sure it helps, but surely tailored listening activities are more useful? #ELTChat |
| shaznosel |
11:32 |
@Marisa_C Totally agree ..that's why sometimes ss are misunderstood - not just ss - teachers too, sometimes sound 'angry or rude!#eltchat |
| mkofab |
11:32 |
RT @Marisa_C: Pronunciation work then should be integrated in every lesson/ Do you agree? #ELTchat Yes! |
| Marisa_C |
11:32 |
Lots of topics on the #ELTchat to choose from - we need your vote!!!!! http://bit.ly/mt6uQF Pls RT and join us tomorrow |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:33 |
Has anyone here used pronunciation software?? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:33 |
@cuppa_coffee agree it's the thing we don't 'get round to' or which can be sacrificed #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:33 |
ΞΈΙs Ιs sΚΚ§ Κ gΚd #ELTCHAT !!!! |
| hartle |
11:33 |
RT @eyespeakbrasil: @hartle So how do you do that #eltchat. Do what, I got lost in stream |
| lolonagi |
11:33 |
accents have a major problem in pronunciation it puts listeners off #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
11:33 |
@theteacherjames depends on who they're likely to listen to...if it's natives then weak forms _really_ important #ELTChat |
| web2literacy |
11:33 |
#eltchat @samshep What do you mean?? |
| shaznosel |
11:33 |
@harrisonmike @harrisonmike SS love it when I try to do my American accent - fun but challenging to change your accent! #eltchat |
| cuppa_coffee |
11:33 |
@Marisa_C trainee teachers often underestimate how important pronunciation actually is #eltchat |
| naomishema |
11:33 |
RT @sandymillin: Cuisenaire rods post I did with @cerirhiannon has ideas for using them for pronunciation in the comments http://bit.ly/jKq9dW #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:33 |
@mansfieldboy our topic of discussion tonight is pronunciation - join #ELTchat to follow the conversation |
| sandymillin |
11:33 |
Cuisenaire rods post I did with @cerirhiannon has ideas for using them for pronunciation in the comments http://bit.ly/jKq9dW #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
11:33 |
RT @harrisonmike: Do you ever (try to) teach the pron of words in different accent to your own? I] Yep. Can be good fun :-) #eltchat |
| samshep |
11:33 |
@web2literacy @pacogascon #ELTchat I have the opposite problem... |
| DinaDobrou |
11:33 |
RT @Marisa_C: Lots of topics on the #ELTchat to choose from - we need your vote!!!!! http://bit.ly/mt6uQF Pls RT and join us tomorrow |
| esolcourses |
11:34 |
IMO, the most important thing with pronunciation is clarity and the ability to make yourself understood. Accent far less important #eltchat |
| samshep |
11:34 |
#ELTCHAT I use mime and body position to highlight intonation eg of questions sometimes feel like a conductor! |
| lu_bodeman |
11:34 |
@sandymillin @cerirhiannon Cuisinaire rods...they work really well. Will check the link. :) Thx. #eltchat |
| lolonagi |
11:34 |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Marisa_C: Forvo.com is very good for different accents #ELTchat - oops forgot hashtag |
| harrisonmike |
11:34 |
OK - intonation and connected speech -tactics and tips for teaching those areas please? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:34 |
RT @Marisa_C: Forvo.com is very good for different accents #ELTchat - oops forgot hashtag |
| theteacherjames |
11:34 |
@Sarah_WG @rliberni Which is my point. When thinking of a model for pron, teacher should focus on the people they will comm. with. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:34 |
I am losing my Klout!!!! :-D http://bit.ly/iIp0lW #ELTchat |
| MrFoteah |
11:34 |
RT @bamarcia: #RSCON3 Fab free e-conf for edu. Schedule: http://bit.ly/rscon3 #eltchat #ukedchat #edchat #ntchat #cpchat #elemchat #pgce #braztesol |
| naomishema |
11:34 |
RT @gscruton: Pizza with my Students Β« So Where Did It Go Wrong? http://bit.ly/krhvOU #ELT #TEFL #dogme #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
11:35 |
RT @Marisa_C: Pronunciation work then should be integrated in every lesson/ Do you agree? #ELTchat >definitely |
| tarabenwell |
11:35 |
My guest post for The Teaching Village on Teaching Pronunciation Online: http://t.co/MmFTKJ9 #ELTChat |
| BethCagnol |
11:35 |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Marisa_C: Forvo.com is very good for different accents #ELTchat - oops forgot hashtag |
| Marisa_C |
11:35 |
DO you differentiate between recognition and production or shoud they be at the same level? #ELTchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:35 |
@harrisonmike How can a room full of students practise pronunciation when their voice is drowned out - they cant. #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
11:35 |
I also did work on linking words in sentences (e.g. consonant + vowel) using Spanish Train by Chris de Burgh http://bit.ly/lEr26J #eltchat |
| web2literacy |
11:35 |
#eltchat pronunciation is about conforming to norms of speaking a language - but we live in a diverse world - how do we deal with this? |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:35 |
@esolcourses Agreed ! #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
11:35 |
I go complete opposite to elicit intonation and speech by speaking in a drone-like voice #eltchat Word...by...word... |
| theteacherjames |
11:35 |
@naomishema That's why we do needs analysis, right? ;-) #eltchat |
| Collaborative |
11:35 |
#eltchat #EU Job Market CV > European language levels - Self Assessment Grid Pronounciation http://ht.ly/5tkWs |
| sandymillin |
11:36 |
RT @lu_bodeman: How do U deal w/ connected speech i.e. "If I could've, I would've? "#eltchat<using combo of phonetics & writing words 2gthr |
| web2literacy |
11:36 |
#eltchat - sorry not being very practical tonight but it is such an interesting and important discussion |
| tarabenwell |
11:36 |
@sandymillin Ooo! Great one. I can use that! Thank you! #ELTChat |
| esolcourses |
11:36 |
RT @CELT_Athens RT @tarabenwell My guest post for The Teaching Village on Teaching Pronunciation Online: http://tinyurl.com/3ketguu #ELTChat |
| hartle |
11:36 |
#eltchat I always notice pron first, when listeining to other langs. A lot of what ss learn comes from copying other speakers. |
| CELT_Athens |
11:36 |
RT @tarabenwell: My guest post for The Teaching Village on Teaching Pronunciation Online: http://tinyurl.com/3ketguu #ELTChat |
| shaznosel |
11:36 |
@harrisonmike Connected speech features is why so many ss fAIL listening tests - vital to expose ss to this! #ELTCHAT |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:36 |
@sandymillin Absolutely ! #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
11:36 |
RT @harrisonmike: Practising producing and listening to connected speech is as, if not more, important than individual sounds #eltchat |
| stephentimothy |
11:37 |
RT @esolcourses: IMO, the most important thing with pronunciation is clarity and the ability to make yourself understood. Accent far less important #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
11:37 |
@tarabenwell I think tone and intonation are normally bigger problems than stress and general pronunciation probs, in my experience #ELTChat |
| cybraryman1 |
11:37 |
WedChats Part I: #ELTchat (2) #ClavEd #ntchat #ptchat #libchat #stdntchat #yalitchat : http://tinyurl.com/3uwsgyk |
| harrisonmike |
11:37 |
@eyespeakbrasil I didn't say drown their voices in other noises - I meant that I speak in a monotone voice -no rises or falls #eltchat |
| cuppa_coffee |
11:37 |
RT @harrisonmike: Adrian Underhill's Pron chart Blog: http://adrianpronchart.wordpress.com/ & guest on TeachingEnglish http://bit.ly/lkYkjh #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:37 |
RT @samshep: @harrisonmike singing. Asking questions but without words (babies learn intonation first after all). #ELTchat |
| lolonagi |
11:37 |
RT @hartle: RT @tarabenwell: My guest post for The Teaching Village on Teaching Pronunciation Online: http://t.co/MmFTKJ9 #ELTChat must read it later:-) |
| nikkypriotakis |
11:37 |
RT @sandymillin: The BBC pronunciation pages are great: http://bbc.in/kHHnSb #eltchat |
| hartle |
11:37 |
RT @tarabenwell: My guest post for The Teaching Village on Teaching Pronunciation Online: http://t.co/MmFTKJ9 #ELTChat must read it later:-) |
| samshep |
11:37 |
@harrisonmike singing. Asking questions but without words (babies learn intonation first after all). #ELTchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:37 |
@hartle Couldn't agree more - imitating the sound, stress - but then you need comparison #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:38 |
@cuppa_coffee I agree here it's necessary to have both #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
11:38 |
RT @bethcagnol: Anyone here admit to their sts that they find certain accents incomprehensible? E.g. I struggled in York. #ELTCHAT yep |
| Marisa_C |
11:38 |
@bethcagnol Some accents in Greek villages sound incomprehensible to me in my OWN language!!!! #ELTCHAT |
| rliberni |
11:38 |
@theteacherjames they may have a variety of accents tho #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:38 |
How does a student compare their voice? #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:38 |
RT @esolcourses: RT @CELT_Athens RT @tarabenwell My guest post for The Teaching Village on Teaching Pronunciation Online: http://tinyurl.com/3ketguu #ELTChat |
| BethCagnol |
11:38 |
Anyone here admit to their sts that they find certain accents incomprehensible? E.g. I struggled in York. #ELTCHAT |
| harrisonmike |
11:38 |
@eyespeakbrasil ...then ask sts what's wrong with what I'm saying, how to make it better, etc... #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:38 |
@harrisonmike I was agreeing #eltchat |
| hartle |
11:38 |
RT @eyespeakbrasil: @hartle Couldn't agree more - imitating the sound, stress - but then you need comparison #eltchat exposure is key |
| sandymillin |
11:38 |
RT @Marisa_C: our topic of discussion tonight is pronunciation - join #ELTchat to follow the conversation |
| naomishema |
11:38 |
RT @theteacherjames: @tarabenwell I think tone and intonation are normally bigger problems than stress and general pronunciation probs, in my experience #ELTChat |
| shaznosel |
11:38 |
@lu_bodeman Connected speech - use your fingers!! Would have - 2 fingers - would'av - 1 finger! #ELTCHAT |
| vbenevolofranca |
11:38 |
RT @Marisa_C: Lots of topics on the #ELTchat to choose from - we need your vote!!!!! http://bit.ly/mt6uQF Pls RT and join us tomorrow |
| harrisonmike |
11:39 |
@eyespeakbrasil OK, cool =) I sometimes get confused in #eltchat... =/ |
| hartle |
11:39 |
Macmillan Sounds app is good too for mobile learning #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:39 |
But I have seen Ss taught by MANY ts with MANY different accents - Ss get used to the T's accent VERY quickly so no worries ! #ELTchat |
| stephentimothy |
11:39 |
RT @esolcourses: I record audio for beginners and upload it to my site, so that they can practise outside lessons - learners tell me it helps #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
11:39 |
@esolcourses hey steady now :-) Lol #eltchat |
| web2literacy |
11:39 |
@bethcagnol I'm from York, I hope you understand me when I come to France, but yes Yorkie language very difficult, for me too #eltchat |
| Notyetlanguage |
11:39 |
@bethcagnol I do admit #ELTchat |
| cuppa_coffee |
11:39 |
RT @rliberni: I think sounds are the less important stress and inton can have a much bigger impact #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
11:39 |
@samshep A colleague showed an activity of speaking in numbers, getting meaning just by intonation. Then sts filled in dialogue #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:39 |
How can they see the evidence their voice pattern is different? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:40 |
@esolcourses just realised it was a RT - Scottish accents can be very diff for stds and North East, Liverpool prob #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
11:40 |
Fast 1sentence dictation as warmer at beg of class useful 4 connctd speech, e.g 'What did you do last night?' 'How are you feeling?'#eltchat |
| lolonagi |
11:40 |
RT @BethCagnol: @web2literacy I'll get even then by speakin' country with ya, son. ;-) #ELTCHAT |
| BethCagnol |
11:40 |
@web2literacy I'll get even then by speakin' country with ya, son. ;-) #ELTCHAT |
| Collaborative |
11:40 |
#eltchat Teaching pronounciation? To what learning ends? http://ht.ly/5tldW |
| theteacherjames |
11:40 |
@rliberni True, but that's much better than a 'model'. #eltchat |
| web2literacy |
11:41 |
@bethcagnol look forward to it :) #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:41 |
Why not record sts using Audacity. It can give sts a really good "visual" look at any monotone issues they may have. #ELTCHAT |
| hartle |
11:41 |
RT @antoniaclare: Fast 1sentence dictation as warmer at beg of class useful 4 connctd speech, e.g 'What did you do last night?' 'How are you feeling?'#eltchat |
| Notyetlanguage |
11:41 |
@theteacherjames @tarabenwell definitely, we should all work more on intonation, it is loaded with meaning:) #ELTchat |
| samshep |
11:41 |
@BethCagnol #ELTchat ss should also be aware of accents in own language? Interesting discussion 2 b had re prestige in lang with ss. |
| rliberni |
11:41 |
@theteacherjames are we talking about production or understanding:? #eltchat |
| tarabenwell |
11:41 |
How do you tackle speed of speech? Some students speak too quickly for others to understand. #ELTChat |
| harrisonmike |
11:41 |
@antoniaclare how many times would you say the sentence being dictated? #eltchat |
| lu_bodeman |
11:41 |
RT@bethcagnol Anyone admit to their sts thatcertain accents R incomprehensible? #ELTCHAT>I do. Australian Eng is V difficult 4 me |
| naomishema |
11:41 |
#eltchat do you use songs for pron practice? as a native speaker i can't always understand every word in lots of songs! |
| sandymillin |
11:41 |
@eyespeakbrasil they do it in small groups or focussing on single sounds/chunks at same time #eltchat teacher circulates |
| sandymillin |
11:42 |
@bethcagnol always admit to SS that I struggle! can't understand Glaswegian English at all ;) (IATEFL may be a prob!) #ELTCHAT |
| esolcourses |
11:42 |
@rliberni think often it's the speed that is the problem.. certainly, that's the feedback I get from my s's about Liverpool accents #ELTChat |
| harrisonmike |
11:42 |
@web2literacy @bethcagnol Shall I bring some Estuary English to the table for balance?? #TESOLFr #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:42 |
@esolcourses I saw Billy Elliot and had to read the subtitles in French to understand it! #ELTCHAT |
| theteacherjames |
11:42 |
@tarabenwell @Notyetlanguage Absolutely, I think it's even more neglected than pronunciation #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
11:42 |
RT @BethCagnol: Why not record sts using Audacity. It can give sts a really good "visual" look at any monotone issues they may have. #ELTCHAT |
| harrisonmike |
11:42 |
@tarabenwell I had this problem with one student this year. Ask her to spell a word and the letters come out like a machine gun! #eltchat |
| naomishema |
11:42 |
RT @Notyetlanguage: @theteacherjames @tarabenwell definitely, we should all work more on intonation, it is loaded with meaning:) #ELTchat |
| shaznosel |
11:42 |
@web2literacy I know where you're coming from but when it comes to pronun/intonation and stress - you're tops! #eltchat |
| teacher_prix |
11:42 |
RT @Marisa_C: What would you like to talk about on Wednesday June 29th? http://bit.ly/jgaL7Y #ELTchat We need more topics... quick! |
| BethCagnol |
11:43 |
RT @sandymillin: @bethcagnol always admit to SS that I struggle! can't understand Glaswegian English at all ;) (IATEFL may be a prob!) #ELTCHAT |
| Notyetlanguage |
11:43 |
@sandymillin I like your idea with miming the sounds #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
11:43 |
@rliberni Production & the ability to be understood by their specific 'audience'. #eltchat |
| lolonagi |
11:43 |
RT @Marisa_C: If you record your Ss regularly - or ask them to record seld for 1 min and upload to a wiki u can have a timeline of pron progress #ELTchat |
| antoniaclare |
11:43 |
@harrisonmike Depends on the sts, but prob a few times 'cos speaking v fast. Maybe 2 or 3 sentences like this. #eltchat |
| tarabenwell |
11:43 |
@harrisonmike Yes, what was her language? I think speed has to do with that. #ELTChat |
| BethCagnol |
11:43 |
@samshep Agreed. I remind my sts that they struggle to understand the Quebecois or French in Carcassonne. #ELTCHAT |
| lolonagi |
11:43 |
RT @cuppa_coffee: Has anyone read Jennifer Jenkins pronunciation of English as Lingua Franca #eltchat fascinating stuff |
| sandymillin |
11:43 |
RT @Marisa_C: But I have seen Ss taught by MANY ts with MANY different accents - Ss get used to the T's accent VERY quickly so no worries ! #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
11:43 |
RT @cuppa_coffee: Has anyone read Jennifer Jenkins pronunciation of English as Lingua Franca #eltchat fascinating stuff |
| Marisa_C |
11:43 |
If you record your Ss regularly - or ask them to record seld for 1 min and upload to a wiki u can have a timeline of pron progress #ELTchat |
| BobK99 |
11:43 |
#eltchat #efl #bvav Further down-payment on my Book of Vowels and Vowel-sounds:http:// tinyurl.com/bvav-ou. (More coming - work in prog.) |
| cuppa_coffee |
11:43 |
Has anyone read Jennifer Jenkins pronunciation of English as Lingua Franca #eltchat fascinating stuff |
| mkofab |
11:43 |
RT @sandymillin: @bethcagnol always admit to SS that I struggle! can't understand Glaswegian English at all ;) (IATEFL may be a prob!) #ELTCHAT |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:43 |
Eyespeak software records the voice, compares it to a teacher and shows pitch, tone, loudness, stress, etc #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:43 |
RT @sandymillin: @bethcagnol always admit to SS that I struggle! can't understand Glaswegian English at all ;) (IATEFL may be a prob!) #ELTCHAT |
| hartle |
11:44 |
RT @esolcourses: @rliberni think often it's the speed that is the problem..#ELTChat it's also psychological. If you think U won't understand |
| rliberni |
11:44 |
Got to duck out now sorry - gr8 chat thanks to fab co-mod @Marisa_C she certainly has dulcet tones! #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:44 |
What a student perceives they're producing isn't one in the same #eltchat |
| web2literacy |
11:44 |
@harrisonmike #eltchat oh yes please - can you give us some in 140 characters or less? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:44 |
Ss are said to be very interested in acquiring a good pronunciation - it's many Ts who don't pay enough attention to this #ELTchat |
| lolonagi |
11:44 |
@eyespeakbrasil .... difficult question #eltchat |
| tarabenwell |
11:44 |
@harrisonmike sorry, my Q was -what was her "1st" language? #ELTChat |
| BethCagnol |
11:44 |
@harrisonmike @web2literacy Bring it on Mike! #ELTCHAT |
| lolonagi |
11:44 |
@Notyetlanguage miming sounds... #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:44 |
@theteacherjames Production or Perception? #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
11:45 |
@web2literacy @bethcagnol 140 characters. You kiddin' mate, can't be dun. 'Ave ta wait n see in Paris, innit? ;o) #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:45 |
@rohinkallat Yes Beth !! #eltchat |
| hartle |
11:45 |
RT @cuppa_coffee: Has anyone read Jennifer Jenkins pronunciation of English as Lingua Franca #eltchat, yes interesting |
| BethCagnol |
11:45 |
@rliberni It's been great reading your #ELTCHAT tweets! |
| rliberni |
11:45 |
@theteacherjames so how do you do this w/out a odel if they;re facing say a UK environment with lots of diff accents? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:45 |
RT @bethcagnol: @antoniaclare I like teaching my students (even beginners) how to speak fast. #ELTCHAT |
| sandymillin |
11:45 |
I recorded a short 4-line convo w/ my flatmate at normal speed. Did as dictogloss w/ int. SS. They really struggled due 2weak forms #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:45 |
@hartle Don't agree, natural speech is the best way to learn #ELTChat |
| Elle_Gifted |
11:45 |
RT @esolcourses: A great site for pronunciation practice - Forvo - tons of files uploaded by native speakers, with CC licence http://www.forvo.com/ #ELTChat |
| BethCagnol |
11:45 |
@antoniaclare I like teaching my students (even beginners) how to speak fast. #ELTCHAT |
| Marisa_C |
11:45 |
@rliberni ho ho ho shall i sing you a litle ditty? #eltchat |
| vickyloras |
11:45 |
New post by @naomishema Saturday’s Book: We Need to Talk about Kevin – Part Two http://bit.ly/ikszZT #books #reading #ELTChat |
| web2literacy |
11:46 |
#eltchat @shaznosel Well one of my colleagues is Greek and her pronunciation is so much better than mine (i… (cont) http://deck.ly/~ZLT7m |
| rliberni |
11:46 |
@bethcagnol thank you - likewise two gr8 chats today! #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
11:46 |
@bethcagnol Haha! I was fine with Billy Elliot , though like @sandymillin I find Glaswegian an uphill struggle #ELTCHAT |
| theteacherjames |
11:46 |
@bethcagnol Absolutely. I always tell the story of the Scottish security guard I worked with. My way of managing expectations! #ELTCHAT |
| tarabenwell |
11:46 |
@harrisonmike @shaznosel Okay. Yes, I think it's my sts from India too. I absolutely adore their accent, though. #ELTChat |
| sandymillin |
11:46 |
RT @BethCagnol: Why not record sts using Audacity. It can give sts a really good "visual" look at any monotone issues they may have. #ELTCHAT |
| Marisa_C |
11:46 |
RT @hartle: RT @cuppa_coffee: Has anyone read Jennifer Jenkins pronunciation of English as Lingua Franca #eltchat, yes interesting> Yes |
| shaznosel |
11:46 |
@Marisa_C For example, in Greece, schools do not want to 'waste time' teaching the IPA......SHAME!!! #ELTCHAT |
| antoniaclare |
11:46 |
I think sts love being able to 'sound native even for small sentence - as you showed us with 'pardon' ;)#eltchat |
| hartle |
11:46 |
RT @Marisa_C: If you record your Ss regularly - or ask them to record seld for 1 min and upload to a wiki u can have a timeline of pron progress #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
11:46 |
@Marisa_C that would be a lovely way to round off ! #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:47 |
RT @Marisa_C: It's a well known fact to all in chat that fast song practice is great for sound linking #ELTchat |
| antoniaclare |
11:47 |
Recently working with podcasts where sts can click on the script, have noticed how they really pick up on pron+ play agn 2 repeat #eltchat |
| rliberni |
11:47 |
@hartle this is soo true, remember spking Indonesian in a market & they didn't understand cos weren't expecting it #eltchat |
| lolonagi |
11:47 |
@Marisa_C fast song practice... do u mean singing with a song? #eltchat |
| lu_bodeman |
11:47 |
RT@Marisa_C Ss are said to be V interested in acquiring good pronunciation - many Ts don't pay enough attention to this #ELTchat > I agree. |
| Marisa_C |
11:47 |
It's a well known fact to all in chat that fast song practice is great for sound linking #ELTchat |
| bcnpaul1 |
11:47 |
RT @DaveDodgson: By @yearinthelifeof Rewriting Comics when Teaching English to Students http://bit.ly/mHHDeX #ELTchat |
| antoniaclare |
11:48 |
So listening and focussing on script for word / sound difference also useful #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:48 |
I like linking words on the board and getting students to figure it out. Wadyawannadotomorra? #ELTCHAT |
| rliberni |
11:48 |
@rohinkallat you're very welcome pls join again it's always good to get diff perspectives & experiences #eltchat |
| Notyetlanguage |
11:48 |
I like using English Pronunciation in Use - Book and Audio CD Pack by CUP http://t.co/6LOrUH3 #ELTchat |
| lu_bodeman |
11:48 |
Uh oh...I need to go. gr8 #eltchat, as always ... take care. Will read summary later. |
| BobK99 |
11:48 |
RT (ref'd) #eltchat #efl #bvav Frther down-payment on my Book of Vowels and Vowel-sounds: http://t.co/b09sbAc. (More coming - work in prog.) |
| theteacherjames |
11:48 |
@rliberni I should clarify, I'm arguing against 1 model. Exposure to a variety of accents in your situation is essential, I imagine #eltchat |
| naomishema |
11:49 |
#eltchat there some element of natural talent . I've been here for more than 30 ys & pron of some letters gi… (cont) http://deck.ly/~rH3FJ |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:49 |
@esolcourses That's okay but they need immediate feedack, comparison and contrast #ELTchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:49 |
@Notyetlanguage I'm currently teaching two French linguists who like that book. #ELTCHAT |
| rliberni |
11:49 |
@theteacherjames yes but hard to deal with I usually just use myself as the model also mostly 1:1 so easier #eltchat |
| Sarah_WG |
11:49 |
RT @bethcagnol: linking words and getting students to figure it out. Wadyawannadotomorra? #ELTCHAT > Fun! My YLs would like that too! |
| hartle |
11:49 |
Thnx everyone have to go now. Storm threatening to destroy house :-( #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
11:49 |
@Marisa_C @Marisa_ Jennifer jenkins all the way..English as an International Lang.different angle on pronunciation issues! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:49 |
Do you teahc your Ss the phonemic scrpt? #ELTchat |
| antoniaclare |
11:49 |
RT @bethcagnol: I like linking words on the board and getting students to figure it out. Wadyawannadotomorra? #ELTCHAT >Me too! |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:49 |
@bethcagnol Same ! #ELTCHAT |
| esolcourses |
11:49 |
RT @Marisa_C: If you record your Ss regularly - or ask them to record & upload to a wiki u can have a timeline of pron progress #ELTchat |
| tarabenwell |
11:49 |
RT @BethCagnol: I like linking words on the board and getting students to figure it out. Wadyawannadotomorra? #ELTCHAT |
| antoniaclare |
11:50 |
@naomishema Agree some find pron easy (musically talented) , others struggle #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:50 |
@bethcagnol No I don't mean the IPA - just the English sounds - IPA is for all sounds in all languages #ELTCHAT |
| shaznosel |
11:50 |
@Marisa_C I d love to teach all SS IPA if I was allowed!! Especially YLS for dictation purposes #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:50 |
@rliberni It has to be one to one, in a class who knows what the students are saying #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:50 |
@Marisa_C I have a dumb Q: you mean IPA? #ELTCHAT |
| hartle |
11:50 |
Check hese out: lots FREE today then less until 3 July #efl, #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:51 |
@theteacherjames :-D indeed it was ... #ELTChat |
| esolcourses |
11:51 |
RT @Marisa_C Do U teach your Ss the phonemic script? #ELTchat ] sometimes & think it can be useful. Don't always have time to cover it, tho |
| sandymillin |
11:51 |
@bethcagnol ail ou radis? :) #ELTCHAT |
| theteacherjames |
11:51 |
My blog post on the last #ELTChat on Pronunciation. It was controversial, especially with @Marisa_C! ;-) |
| tarabenwell |
11:51 |
You could use automated speech videos to explore stress errors: Where are the errors? http://t.co/Q8B1zse #ELTChat |
| web2literacy |
11:51 |
@harrisonmike @bethcagnol #eltchat Nice one:) |
| HerreraVeronica |
11:51 |
@naomishema I use songs for raising awareness of pron, pron+spelling patterns, rhyming couplets, etc #eltchat |
| bcnpaul1 |
11:51 |
RT @shaunwilden Lots to choose from for this week's #eltchat - you can vote here http://t.co/HYOIjup > lots and lots of topics innit :) |
| evab2001 |
11:51 |
RT @BethCagnol: @Sarah_WG When you get a chance: check out the video we made for TESOL France: http://t.co/AA9vNRW #ELTCHAT #TESOLFR |
| tarabenwell |
11:52 |
@theteacherjames Was there a link? #ELTChat |
| shaznosel |
11:52 |
@tarabenwell Love em but the speed of speech is so difficult for other ss..#eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
11:52 |
But it's okay, she likes me now! ;-) @Marisa_C #ELTChat |
| Sarah_WG |
11:52 |
Songs integrated into all my lessons so they can really feel the rhythm (stress, intonation, pron) of the language. #eltchat |
| Dawg_Houston |
11:52 |
I usually have my students sing along so that they can catch up with the pronunciation. #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
11:52 |
@esolcourses I think nowadays with dictionaries offering the sound of a word phonemic script does not seem so essential any longer #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
11:52 |
@rliberni That's understandable, I'm mainly talking about the theory not the practice! #eltchat |
| Notyetlanguage |
11:52 |
Tongue twister can also be fun and good for practising pronunciation http://t.co/9NXUbLC #ELTchat |
| HerreraVeronica |
11:53 |
Not all songs lend themselves to pronounciation practice though #ELTChat |
| Dawg_Houston |
11:53 |
@Mr_Joe87 What's up my man? How ya doing? Join us at #ELTChat for a nice chat. |
| BethCagnol |
11:53 |
@sandymillin Mari qui se masse! ;-) #ELTCHAT |
| theteacherjames |
11:53 |
@tarabenwell Whoops, I'll try again (hits forehead...) #ELTChat |
| esolcourses |
11:53 |
@eyespeakbrasil agree immediate feedback is ideal, but don't always have enough time in lessons to do that with individual s's #ELTChat |
| BethCagnol |
11:53 |
@Marisa_C Oh..got it. Thanks. Then yes, some phonemes, yes. ΞΈ and Γ° for sure. Just so they can identify them in a dictionary. #ELTCHAT |
| BethCagnol |
11:54 |
@web2literacy @shaznosel Yes! Or they should be, in my opinion. #ELTCHAT |
| Marisa_C |
11:54 |
@HerreraVeronica No not all - for sure - "With a little help from my friends" is a great one for weak unstressed syllables #ELTChat |
| mkofab |
11:54 |
@naomishema I think indeed some natural talent is involved. Some ss have very good accent - others don't 'hear' - can't even copy. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
11:54 |
WITH LINK: My blog post on the last #ELTChat on Pronunciation. It was controversial, especially with @Marisa_C! ;-) http://bit.ly/goXRxH |
| naomishema |
11:54 |
RT @HerreraVeronica: Not all songs lend themselves to pronounciation practice though #ELTChat |
| web2literacy |
11:54 |
@shaznosel do you think stress and intonation are particularly significant in pron work? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
11:55 |
RT @Marisa_C: Do you teahc your Ss the phonemic scrpt? #ELTchat <yes |
| theteacherjames |
11:55 |
Despite what I've suggested in this #ELTChat, I do teach pron! Got a blog post about it coming up next week, in fact. |
| BethCagnol |
11:55 |
@sandymillin You will LOVE this if you speak French http://t.co/hTvbY1t #ELTCHAT |
| antoniaclare |
11:55 |
@web2literacy Stress so important / word and sentence stress, sts get this so wring and makes them unintelligible #eltchat |
| tarabenwell |
11:55 |
Self-study resource on Word Stress: http://t.co/jbevv98 #ELTChat |
| esolcourses |
11:55 |
@Marisa_C agree up to a point, tho I think there is still a digital divide & a lot depends on the context you are teaching in #ELTChat |
| naomishema |
11:55 |
@web2literacy #eltchat try understanding the speech of a hard of hearing person with & without proper intonation -BIG difference! |
| sandymillin |
11:55 |
RT @Notyetlanguage: I like using English Pronunciation in Use - Book and Audio CD Pack by CUP http://t.co/6LOrUH3 #ELTchat |
| Sarah_WG |
11:55 |
RT @bethcagnol: @web2literacy @shaznosel Yes! Or they should be, in my opinion. #ELTCHAT > I agree! |
| Dawg_Houston |
11:56 |
#ELTChat It's important to teach your sts about the difference between dialects regarding pronunciation. Patois, AAVE, Irish... |
| antoniaclare |
11:56 |
@esolcourses Hee he wrong., wring, spelling pron ;) #eltchat |
| mkofab |
11:56 |
@theteacherjames Look forward! #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
11:56 |
RT @BethCagnol: @Marisa_C I have a dumb Q: you mean IPA? #ELTCHAT |
| HerreraVeronica |
11:56 |
@Marisa_C great idea! thanks #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
11:56 |
RT @antoniaclare: @web2literacy Stress so important / word and sentence stress, sts get this so wring and makes them unintelligible #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:56 |
@naomishema Talent i related to auditory discrimination - so investing time on listening activities focussing on pron v important #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11:56 |
RT @CELT_Athens: What would you like to talk about on Wednesday June 29th? http://bit.ly/jgaL7Y #ELTchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:57 |
@Dawg_Houston Yeah, but the question is how if we don't speak it. Any suggestions on recordings? #ELTCHAT |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:57 |
@Marisa_C You must use our software Marise ! #ELTchat |
| antoniaclare |
11:57 |
RT @web2literacy: @bethcagnol @shaznosel couldn't agree more, stress probably most important but most neglected in pron teaching? #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
11:57 |
@antoniaclare LOL! didn't notice either... goes at some speed, this #ELTChat thing :-) |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:57 |
@Moacir2 Yep! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:57 |
CBs include listening transcripts - anyone use them for pronunciation work? E,g listening and indentifying sound linking patterns #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
11:57 |
@mkofab @naomishema Monday morning, look out for the tweets! #ELTChat |
| Moacir2 |
11:57 |
#eltchat of course we gotta teach pron... or else Ss will keep on confusing their nose with noise. It's a jungle out there...;-) |
| theteacherjames |
11:58 |
Busy #ELTChat this evening. Tweetdeck tells me I'm 12 mins behind :/ ... |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:58 |
@Marisa_C Eyespeak software _ specifically designed for this! #ELTCHAT |
| Sarah_WG |
11:58 |
Friday I'm in Love by the Cure - big hit with my sts. 10 yo ELL. #eltchat Great for stress on days of the week among other things. |
| sandymillin |
11:58 |
@HerreraVeronica mine love it - have the English File version w/ pics on flashcards and play lots of games w/ them #ELTchat |
| antoniaclare |
11:58 |
@web2literacy I nearly always mark stress on new vocab on WB and ask sts to do the same in notebooks #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:58 |
@eyespeakbrasil which one? #ELTCHAT |
| Dawg_Houston |
11:58 |
#ELTChat And it's definitely important to tell your students there is no pronunciation BETTER than another: American or British or Jamaican. |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:58 |
@bethcagnol We have 6000 voice recordings! #ELTCHAT |
| Notyetlanguage |
11:58 |
@theteacherjames I read your blog post...it does seem controversial #ELTchat |
| HerreraVeronica |
11:58 |
RT @sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: Do you teahc your Ss the phonemic scrpt? #ELTchat / yes, but ss don't like it much! |
| theteacherjames |
11:59 |
@Notyetlanguage Well someone had to say it. I'm quite mild mannered the rest of the time, honest! #ELTchat |
| BethCagnol |
11:59 |
RT @Dawg_Houston: #ELTChat And it's definitely important to tell your students there is no pronunciation BETTER than another: American or British or Jamaican. |
| eyespeakbrasil |
11:59 |
I'd like to invite everyone here to use our software - I would value your feedback, free trials!! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11:59 |
@theteacherjames ouch #ELTChat |
| BethCagnol |
11:59 |
What I would really love is list of youtube videos someone has that gives examples of accents (not sentences, but full vids!) #ELTCHAT |
| shaznosel |
12:00 |
@web2literacy According to Jenifer Jenkins, the 'th' 'sh' are not important but stress and intonation are the 'gods'. I AGREE!! #eltchat\ |
| SSNS_Teachers |
12:00 |
RT @Dawg_Houston: #ELTChat And it's definitely important to tell your students there is no pronunciation BETTER than another: American or British or Jamaican. |
| BethCagnol |
12:00 |
@eyespeakbrasil Are they free? (sorry have to ask - I'm a penny pinchin' teacher). #ELTCHAT |
| esolcourses |
12:00 |
RT @bethcagnol: What I would really love is list of youtube videos that gives examples of accents (not sentences, but full vids!) #ELTCHAT |
| pacogascon |
12:00 |
RT @Dawg_Houston: #ELTChat And it's definitely important to tell your students there is no pronunciation BETTER than another: American or British or Jamaican. |
| HerreraVeronica |
12:00 |
@sandymillin what games do you play? #eltchat |
| web2literacy |
12:00 |
@antoniaclare what kind of activities do you do to raise awareness of stress - so the students can mark the stress on new vocab? #eltchat |
| profesortbaker |
12:00 |
Miracle School Doing More With Less: The Preuss School http://t.co/5ckNEgd #edreform #edchat #ukedchat #education #eltchat #edu #charter |
| web2literacy |
12:01 |
History of the English Language in 10 Minutes - part 2: htt lesson ideas for Open University video series p://t.co/mFjg9Ko #eltchat #esol |
| AndreaBudding |
12:01 |
RT @Marisa_C: What would you like to talk about on Wednesday June 29th? http://bit.ly/jgaL7Y #ELTchat We need more topics... quick! |
| sandymillin |
12:01 |
@HerreraVeronica I say a sound and they grab it, I say a word and they have to 'spell' it phonemically #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
12:01 |
@web2literacy Group words according to stress patterns, or say 'DA da da' to correct st - lots of 'noticing' etc #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
12:01 |
@bethcagnol Yep, free to try - just give it a try Beth - I'd value your feedback. #ELTCHAT |
| tarabenwell |
12:01 |
RT @esolcourses: RT @bethcagnol: What I would really love is list of youtube videos that gives examples of accents (not sentences, but full vids!) #ELTCHAT |
| web2literacy |
12:01 |
@shaznosel so do I #eltchat |
| pacogascon |
12:01 |
@theteacherjames @Notyetlanguage the problem is that it's hard for ss to understand so many diff accents #eltchat |
| tarabenwell |
12:01 |
We're adding audio to our "This Week in History"- combo of Can. and Brit English. Sts use to record in our Audio Speaking Group. #ELTChat |
| Notyetlanguage |
12:01 |
Even if you don't speak very accurately, if your pronunciation is near native and standard...you'll leave a good impression! #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:01 |
@Marisa_C Too much chatting & not enough reading. Hold on, that's a good thing! Now it's 14 mins! Ahhh!!! #ELTChat |
| web2literacy |
12:02 |
@antoniaclare - plenty of 'noticing' activities probably the best way to go #eltchat |
| pacogascon |
12:02 |
@sandymillin @HerreraVeronica so the problem is not the isolated sound but how sounds engage in speech #eltchat |
| naomishema |
12:02 |
RT @sandymillin: @HerreraVeronica I say a sound and they grab it, I say a word and they have to 'spell' it phonemically #eltchat how ? |
| eyespeakbrasil |
12:02 |
@antoniaclare Minimal pairs practise too #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:02 |
@pacogascon It's unrealistic to expect them to. We need to help them manage expectations right from the outset. #eltchat |
| lauraahaha |
12:02 |
RT @gscruton via @naomishema: Pizza with my Students http://bit.ly/krhvOU #ELT #TEFL #dogme #eltchat < interesting post! |
| profesortbaker |
12:02 |
Key Stage 2 Testing, Assessment & Accountability Review: Final Report Published: http://t.co/ZwFODNA #education #ukedchat #edreform #eltchat |
| mkofab |
12:03 |
RT @antoniaclare: @web2literacy As mentioned before, pron is as much about learning to listen (and notice) #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
12:03 |
Some worksheets I've just posted on my blog to focus on weak forms inc the dictogloss I mentioned b4 http://wp.me/p18yiK-dh #eltchat |
| eyespeakbrasil |
12:03 |
You teach the target language and then they record their voice, practise and compare at home - that's Eyespeak #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:03 |
Well, it;s past the hour here and although we have already had one #ELTchat on pronunciation, this one added a lot of new ideas! |
| antoniaclare |
12:03 |
@web2literacy As mentioned before, pron is as much about learning to listen (and notice) #eltchat |
| tarabenwell |
12:03 |
Thanks for a great #ELTChat. I'm so happy to be focusing on pronunciation this year. Sts are loving it. Cheers. |
| eyespeakbrasil |
12:04 |
@shaznosel I'd agree - stess and intonation change mearning #eltchat |
| PrettyButWise |
12:04 |
do u agree that reading randomly ordered letters -not real words- can be useful in articulation process progressing or improving?? #eltchat |
| HerreraVeronica |
12:04 |
@sandymillin Those are great ideas! Will look at ws later today. #eltchat |
| Notyetlanguage |
12:04 |
#ELTchat ...it might be a little off topic, but don't you like French accent in English... |
| sandymillin |
12:04 |
@pacogascon depends on the level - with lower-level students it can be individual sounds that are the problem #eltchat |
| web2literacy |
12:04 |
@antoniaclare #eltchat yes and I found as a language learner that identifying stress has been so important in NOT sounding too English! |
| shaznosel |
12:04 |
@esolcourses check out BBC LEARINING ENGLISH accents - Click on the map of the UK for authentic accents! It's great! #eltchat |
| naomishema |
12:04 |
Weak Forms: http://t.co/20XiApJ #eltchat -related! |
| pacogascon |
12:04 |
@theteacherjames right, but thats why they sometimes find it hassling to learn pronuctiation. focusing on comm is just better #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
12:04 |
@eyespeakbrasil Sounds nice #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
12:04 |
@naomishema the sounds are on flashcards so they can point to them #eltchat |
| lauraahaha |
12:05 |
Request: arguments AGAINST using tech in the #ELT classroom? e.g. unreliable, expensive, time-consuming... #efl #ELTchat #edtech #tefl #esl |
| HerreraVeronica |
12:05 |
RT @pacogascon: so the problem is not the isolated sound but how sounds engage in speech #eltchat / completely agree! |
| theteacherjames |
12:05 |
@pacogascon I'm with you all the way on this one. Check out my old blog post, I'd like to get your thoughts: http://bit.ly/goXRxH #eltchat |
| mkofab |
12:05 |
Thanks for #eltchat and esp all your links! I have to say goodbye - end with a light note (my ss loved this !) ;-) http://bit.ly/jA5T6w |
| antoniaclare |
12:05 |
@web2literacy #eltchat also fun to get sts to try and speak their native lang with Eng accent , to notice diff sounds / stress ;) |
| eyespeakbrasil |
12:05 |
HOW are you? How ARE you? and How are YOU? are all different #eltchat |
| Notyetlanguage |
12:05 |
@pacogascon @theteacherjames the more you expose the ss to different accents the more they understand... #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
12:05 |
Thanks for another great #ELTChat everyone, and to my co-mods @Marisa_C and @rliberni! |
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