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Creative and effective ways of bringing literature (storybooks, novels, poetry etc etc) into the EFL

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This is the transcript of the #eltchat on Wednesday 8th June at 21.00 BST on the topic of Creative and effective ways of bringing literature

 

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divyabrochier

12:04

@Fuertesun Good night! #ELTCHAT

 

 

 

 

 

Marisa_C

12:03

RT @Shaunwilden: Some lovely ideas during #eltchat anyone want to summarise them?

 

tarabenwell

12:03

@theteacherjames Looks great thanks! #ELTChat

 

 

 

 

Fuertesun

12:03

@Marisa_C Thank you and good night from the canaries #eltchat #eltchat

 

 

Shaunwilden

12:03

Some lovely ideas during #eltchat anyone want to summarise them?

 

 

tarabenwell

12:03

RT @theteacherjames: For lit activity ideas I can't recommend this book highly enough: http://amzn.to/jIDykJ  #ELTChat

Marisa_C

12:03

Thank you all for joining this #ELTchat and sharing your ideas and inspirations with literature

 

divyabrochier

12:03

@Shaunwilden there was a real lull there though #ELTCHAT

 

 

 

tarabenwell

12:03

Warmup: Human Library: http://esl-library.com/blog/2011/02/21/human-library/ #ELTChat

 

toulasklavou

12:03

@Fuertesun or revealing a story line by line & make Ss think of the rest of the story, #eltchat

 

Shaunwilden

12:02

@Fuertesun we keeping you? :-) #eltchat

 

 

 

 

divyabrochier

12:02

@vickyloras I agree that reading out loud is great for stress and linking #ELTCHAT

 

Marisa_C

12:02

@Fuertesun  #eltchat we are indeed  #eltchat

 

 

 

 

Fuertesun

12:02

Are we done?#eltchat

 

 

 

 

 

 

shaznosel

12:02

@Fuertesun  Think it would be great as s can relate to the topic..literature has to come to the ss level and interest nowadays #eltchat

hartle

12:02

#eltchat this was the book cover video from Youtube http://youtu.be/pv_T1x2Nnnw

 

naomishema

12:02

@pysproblem81 #eltchat we have  a program and we're supposed to teach HOT terminology & SS are supposed to lab… (cont) http://deck.ly/~yLKKT

theteacherjames

12:02

For lit activity ideas I can't recommend this book highly enough: http://amzn.to/jIDykJ  #ELTChat

mkofab

12:01

@helen100463 Good idea!#eltchat

 

 

 

 

 

divyabrochier

12:01

RT @helen100463: @Marisa_C  reading out  loud into mp3 did wonders for my very shy teens #eltchat

Shaunwilden

12:01

RT @helen100463: @Marisa_C  reading out  loud into mp3 did wonders for my very shy teens #eltchat

helen100463

12:01

@Marisa_C  reading out  loud into mp3 did wonders for my very shy teens #eltchat

 

divyabrochier

12:00

RT @Marisa_C: @Fuertesun Some reading aloud as if for the radio or a podcast is a nice idea #ELTCHAT EXCELLENT IDEA

Fuertesun

12:00

RT @tarabenwell: Here are some examples of my online learners reciting Aesop: http://englishclub.com/s/?AesopSpeak #ELTChat Any learner is welcome!

divyabrochier

12:00

@smaragdav #ELTCHAT Don't work w YL anymore but in past have got them to create own keyword cues for dialogues which worked well

pysproblem81

12:00

@naomishema - are there strategies that you can use? #eltchat

 

 

 

flocabulary

12:00

@hartle Thanks! Yes, our songs that summarize stories could be a good intro to the actual, longer story: http://ow.ly/5dq7e #ELTchat

helen100463

12:00

RT @Fuertesun: @divyabrochier see a lot of reading out loud in the state school where I work. I prefer them to read aloud  in pairs #ELTCHAT

smaragdav

12:00

Getting dizzy chasing tweets.. Got to go . BIG THANKS to all #eltchat

 

 

Marisa_C

12:00

@Fuertesun Some reading aloud as if for the radio or a podcast is a nice idea #ELTCHAT

 

naomishema

12:00

@Fuertesun #eltchat But when reading aloud many kids can' focus on the content at the same time

hartle

12:00

RT @Fuertesun: just though tof an activity...#eltchat Similar:Showed video of a person's book choices  & aske… (cont) http://deck.ly/~OEBnS

mkofab

11:59

RT @Marisa_C: @theteacherjames It;s the swing of the pendulum from GT to all things communicative - perhaps we should balance this  #ELTchat

Fuertesun

11:59

@divyabrochier I see a lot of reading out loud in the state school where I work. I orefer them to read aloud  in pairs #ELTCHAT

vickyloras

11:59

RT @tarabenwell: Here are some examples of my online learners reciting Aesop: http://englishclub.com/s/?AesopSpeak #ELTChat Any learner is welcome!

Marisa_C

11:59

@theteacherjames It;s the swing of the pendulum from GT to all things communicative - perhaps we should balance this  #ELTchat

lolonagi

11:58

RT @tarabenwell: Here are some examples of my online learners reciting Aesop: http://englishclub.com/s/?AesopSpeak #ELTChat Any learner is welcome!

theteacherjames

11:58

RT @Marisa_C: Making a front page of a newspaper from a book or short story is also a great idea  for a class project #eLTchat

Shaunwilden

11:58

RT @tarabenwell: Here are some examples of my online learners reciting Aesop: http://englishclub.com/s/?AesopSpeak #ELTChat Any learner is welcome!

smaragdav

11:58

RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat - v imp. point: T must feel enthusiastic & communicate that feeling for lit work to be effective

tarabenwell

11:58

Here are some examples of my online learners reciting Aesop: http://englishclub.com/s/?AesopSpeak #ELTChat Any learner is welcome!

naomishema

11:58

RT @Fuertesun: just though tof an activity give titles of books and ss have to guess the plot....#eltchat

divyabrochier

11:58

RT @vickyloras: @divyabrochier Most of mine enjoy doing that,they hear their own voices,know when they're not stressing properly #ELTChat

Fuertesun

11:58

just though tof an activity give titles of books and ss have to guess the plot....#eltchat

 

divyabrochier

11:58

#ELTCHAT  @ Fuertesun I have!  Not w translation, just using the text They LOVED it, even the boys

theteacherjames

11:58

@Marisa_C Yes, the way it fell out of favour really bemuses me. It's so obviously a great tool when you use it. #ELTchat

pjgallantry

11:57

#eltchat where does the time go? Great convo again! Thanks to all & our mods @Shaunwilden and @Marisa_C

vickyloras

11:57

@divyabrochier Most of mine enjoy doing that,they hear their own voices,know when they're not stressing properly #ELTChat

hartle

11:57

RT @Flocabulary: @hartle We've got some songs...#ELTchat Looks good. The Amontillado too incidentally

smaragdav

11:57

@divyabrochier Young learners read aloud (mostly taking roles) .. Advanced ss usually read to themselves   #ELTCHAT

Fuertesun

11:57

Thought about using Bridget Jones Diary as a translation activity from Spanish to English...what do ya think? #eltchat

naomishema

11:57

#eltchat we do lead in activities . For "the road not taken "SS had to discuss a dilemma they had before reading poem.

pjgallantry

11:56

#eltchat I suppose I could always get my students to,er, study, my novel, he said, shamefacedly flogging his own product.....:P

theteacherjames

11:56

RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat - v imp. point: T must feel enthusiastic & communicate that feeling for lit work to be effective - 100% agree.

DilekEsen

11:56

RT @tarabenwell: Classic English Reading (3 levels): http://www.englishclub.com/reading/classic-reading.htm #ELTChat

Marisa_C

11:56

@theteacherjames Also, very few coursebooks promote literary text - its all journalese  #ELTchat

divyabrochier

11:56

#ELTCHAT Do any of you make them read out loud (which I constantly have to do in Arabic class and rarely do with my own students!)

vickyloras

11:56

RT @divyabrochier: RT @Marisa_C: @theteacherjames I think a lot of teachers have come to ELT from other disciplines & not familiar with lit tradition #ELTchat

nutrich

11:55

@naomishema Those sort of stories with a moral can be useful for discussion as well. Ss can write a modern version themselves! #eltchat

hartle

11:55

RT @nutrich: Does anyone know the Nasruddin stories? http://bit.ly/kVSZ1K  #eltchat Yes did thm in Spanish!

toulasklavou

11:55

@shaznosel yeah, it's convenient for the Ts, not so much work and effort to think!#eltchat

 

divyabrochier

11:55

RT @rdlln: @divyabrochier Try @toondoo it's great for that http://goo.gl/UhkYh #eltchat Thank you!

Fuertesun

11:55

@divyabrochier Yes I think we need to bring a bit back! #ELTCHAT

 

 

 

divyabrochier

11:55

RT @Marisa_C: @theteacherjames I think a lot of teachers have come to ELT from other disciplines & not familiar with lit tradition #ELTchat

hartle

11:55

RT @Marisa_C: Making a front page of a newspaper from a book or short story is also a great idea  for a class project #eLTchat

pjgallantry

11:55

RT #eltchat @nutrich Does anyone know the Nasruddin stories? http://bit.ly/kVSZ1K > I do indeed: v good with mid-east ss

Shaunwilden

11:54

RT @Fuertesun: @divyabrochier It went out of fashion but.... perhaps rote learning has a place afterall #ELTCHAT I think it does:-)

hartle

11:54

RT @rliberni: OK got to go gr8 topic gr8 chat! Thanks to gr8 mods @Shaunwilden and @Marisa_C  Good night #eltchat Night Berni

Fuertesun

11:54

@nutrich cheers #eltchat

 

 

 

 

 

 

smaragdav

11:54

RT @Fuertesun: @divyabrochier It went out of fashion but.... perhaps rote learning has a place afterall #ELTCHAT

helen100463

11:54

RT @Marisa_C: Making a front page of a newspaper from a book or short story is also a great idea  for a class project #eLTchat

divyabrochier

11:54

#ELTCHAT I am learning a lot of words and remembering them! @Fuertesun I wonder if a little bit of learning by heart shouldn't comeback

flocabulary

11:54

@hartle We've got some songs specifically for ELL students: http://ow.ly/5dpQS The bottom three in "Free songs" #ELTchat

nutrich

11:54

@Fuertesun Old tales with a moral and stuff, some great stories. See the link for a good one. #eltchat

theteacherjames

11:54

RT @Marisa_C: @theteacherjames I think a lot of teachers have come to ELT from other disciplines & not familiar with lit tradition #ELTchat

Fuertesun

11:54

@divyabrochier It went out of fashion but.... perhaps rote learning has a place afterall #ELTCHAT

naomishema

11:54

@nutrich #eltchat - of course! nasreddin has similar counterparts in many cultures!

 

Fuertesun

11:53

@nutrich no #eltchat

 

 

 

 

 

 

springrose12

11:53

@rliberni @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Thx all. Have a good night frm me, too. #eltchat

 

hartle

11:53

RT @Fuertesun: Learning things by heart ... #eltchat Stds love doing this with jazz chants or with sound bites

nutrich

11:53

Does anyone know the Nasruddin stories? http://bit.ly/kVSZ1K  #eltchat

 

 

mkofab

11:53

RT @Marisa_C: Making a front page of a newspaper from a book or short story is also a great idea  for a class project #eLTchat

divyabrochier

11:53

#ELTCHAT My Arabic teacher makes me learn something by heart every single week, I never do it to my students, but I have to admit...

theteacherjames

11:53

@divyabrochier There's always one, isn't there? :-) Interesting conversation starter though! #ELTChat

smaragdav

11:53

RT @Marisa_C: Making a front page of a newspaper from a book or short story is also a great idea  for a class project #eLTchat

Fuertesun

11:53

@nutrich yes would be good for that #eltchat

 

 

 

 

naomishema

11:53

#eltchat @pysproblem81  There's a HUGE uproar in Israel about that, its required in english now but not in L1 and there are LOTS of problems

Marisa_C

11:52

Making a front page of a newspaper from a book or short story is also a great idea  for a class project #eLTchat

shaznosel

11:52

@toulasklavou  most school owners wouldn't know how to read a book and analyse its meaning so much easier  to do practice tests #eltchat

rliberni

11:52

OK got to go gr8 topic gr8 chat! Thanks to gr8 mods @Shaunwilden and @Marisa_C  Good night #eltchat

MissLadyCaz

11:52

RT @rliberni RT @springrose12 @Marisa_C Liked this paper about using literature in Esl/ Ell teaching. http://t.co/I1RnUov

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

hartle

11:52

RT @rliberni: @hartle this is a great ex #eltchat yes and cn be a lot of fun too :-)

 

smaragdav

11:52

RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat - v important point: T must feel enthusiastic and communicate that feeling for any lit work to be really effective

mkofab

11:52

@nutrich  True and practise rhythm /stress by making them do them as a kind of modern rap #eltchat

Fuertesun

11:52

Learning things by heart seems to be out of fashion but perhaps has a place #eltchat

 

theteacherjames

11:52

@tarabenwell That's what thought I did! It was my fault, they were all elementary school teachers. Doh! #ELTChat

hartle

11:52

RT @rdlln: @divyabrochier Try @toondoo it's great for that http://goo.gl/UhkYh #eltchat

 

vickyloras

11:51

RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat - v important point: T must feel enthusiastic and communicate that feeling for any lit work to be really effective

helen100463

11:51

@Fuertesun  poems by heart - yes -limericks and funny short poems for pronunciation practice -teens enjoyed it #eltchat

pysproblem81

11:51

@naomishema do you think they CAN learn in L2 if not present in L1 (like with literacy skills)? #eltchat

rliberni

11:51

@hartle this is a great ex #eltchat

 

 

 

 

 

pjgallantry

11:51

#eltchat - v important point: T must feel enthusiastic and communicate that feeling for any lit work to be really effective

tarabenwell

11:51

@theteacherjames You could try Aesop fables that aren't as popular as the well-known ones. Or get them to guess the moral. #ELTChat

rdlln

11:51

@divyabrochier Try @toondoo it's great for that http://goo.gl/UhkYh #eltchat

 

 

rliberni

11:51

RT @hartle: #eltchat another old favourite is mixed texts: 2 versions of one extract with mixed up parts of text . Stds sort out the original

hartle

11:51

#eltchat another old favourite is mixed texts: 2 versions of one extract with mixed up parts of text . Stds sort out the original

rliberni

11:50

RT @nutrich: @Fuertesun That's a good idea. Good memory work. Especially if they can say them with good stress and intonation. #eltchat

nutrich

11:50

@Fuertesun That's a good idea. Good memory work. Especially if they can say them with good stress and intonation. #eltchat

rliberni

11:50

@Fuertesun remember learning French poems by heart at school #eltchat

 

 

Shaunwilden

11:50

RT @Marisa_C: @theteacherjames I think a lot of teachers have come to ELT from other disciplines and not familiar with literary tradition  #ELTchat

flocabulary

11:50

@theteacherjames @Marisa_C @pysproblem81 Very good question. We're around to make sure that it isn't neglected! #ELTchat

Marisa_C

11:50

@theteacherjames I think a lot of teachers have come to ELT from other disciplines and not familiar with literary tradition  #ELTchat

rliberni

11:50

@divyabrochier  good to revisit things and have stuff bed down #eltchat

 

 

hartle

11:50

RT @divyabrochier: #ELTCHAT do any of you still do things like cutting up a story...with small classes yes, an… (cont) http://deck.ly/~5LUn2

Fuertesun

11:49

Has anyone got ss to learn poems by heart? #eltchat

 

 

 

 

theteacherjames

11:49

@divyabrochier It happens! :-) #ELTCHAT

 

 

 

 

rliberni

11:49

RT @tarabenwell: Classic English Reading (3 levels): http://www.englishclub.com/reading/classic-reading.htm #ELTChat

tarabenwell

11:49

Classic English Reading (3 levels): http://www.englishclub.com/reading/classic-reading.htm #ELTChat

divyabrochier

11:49

RT @Shaunwilden: @hartle  or even using twitter  as with the 'such tweet sorrow' project http://bit.ly/afDBOU #eltchat

theteacherjames

11:49

@Marisa_C @Flocabulary @pysproblem81 Think this is a key point. If it is a gateway to higher levels, why is it still neglected? #ELTchat

divyabrochier

11:49

@rliberni Yes, I've used poems a lot like that, sometimes we come back to it a few mths l8r #ELTCHAT

flocabulary

11:48

RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat playing with words and structures is how language is learned and enlivened

hartle

11:48

RT @Shaunwilden: @hartle  bits of it are ...#eltchat you've opened up whole realms of possibility here. Can't wait to use it

divyabrochier

11:48

RT @helen100463: @theteacherjames  have used cartoon makers to predict  story ends with  teens #eltchat

rliberni

11:48

@divyabrochier  done it more with jokes, poems work well with this gr8 for seeing word relationships and collocations #eltchat

divyabrochier

11:48

@nutrich I think that's great #ELTCHAT

 

 

 

 

 

helen100463

11:48

@theteacherjames  have used cartoon makers to predict  story ends with  teens #eltchat

 

Marisa_C

11:48

@divyabrochier If story relatively short - but wiith longer ones u can have grps summarise-present-order  #ELTCHAT

toulasklavou

11:47

the syllabus reflect preferances & dislikes of school owners, so if they don't like lit, they wouldn't include it, right?#eltchat

pjgallantry

11:47

#eltchat playing with words and structures is how language is learned and enlivened

 

tarabenwell

11:47

I had a "to bring or not to bring" Shakespeare into ELT debate earlier this week. #ELTChat

 

divyabrochier

11:47

@theteacherjames #ELTCHAT Yikes! Can see why it was a problem!

 

 

nutrich

11:47

What about students telling stories that they know from their culture? - team storytelling, with the T listening.  #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11:47

@hartle  bits of it are on youtube as well  - juliet keeps a video diary  #eltchat

 

 

shaznosel

11:47

@toulasklavou  I agree I think many teachers do not realise this is an option in the exam..shame! #eltchat

rliberni

11:47

RT @divyabrochier: #ELTCHAT do any of you still do things like cutting up a story (physically) and student re-arrange, play with structure, create new links?

divyabrochier

11:47

#ELTCHAT do any of you still do things like cutting up a story (physically) and student re-arrange, play with structure, create new links?

Marisa_C

11:47

RT @Flocabulary: @theteacherjames @pysproblem81 Yes. Playing with language is key! #ELTchat

theteacherjames

11:47

@divyabrochier I think I was asking them to predict the endings, come up with their own ideas. Didn't work too well! #ELTCHAT

flocabulary

11:46

@theteacherjames @pysproblem81 Yes. Playing with language is key! #ELTchat

 

 

hartle

11:46

RT @Shaunwilden: @hartle  or even using twitter  as with the 'such tweet sorrow' project http://bit.ly/afDBOU #eltchat oh wow! love that :-)

hartle

11:46

RT @Fuertesun: @hartle Higher order thinking skills #eltchat thnks

 

 

 

divyabrochier

11:45

@theteacherjames #ELTCHAT what did you do then?

 

 

 

 

theteacherjames

11:45

RT @pysproblem81: personally think literature is a real key to higher level language skills... playing with language seems to help #eltchat

flocabulary

11:45

@divyabrochier Definitely true. Great to connect with what students know #ELTchat

 

hartle

11:45

RT @tarabenwell: @hartle Fakebook looks so fun! I must check it out and share. #ELTChat It's great :-) Just up yr street

shaznosel

11:45

@toulasklavou  Yes, your're right. What are  the lessons objectives when discussing literature?#eltchat

rliberni

11:45

RT @Shaunwilden: @hartle  or even using twitter  as with the 'such tweet sorrow' project http://bit.ly/afDBOU #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11:45

@hartle  or even using twitter  as with the 'such tweet sorrow' project http://bit.ly/afDBOU #eltchat

Fuertesun

11:45

@hartle Higher order thinking skills #eltchat

 

 

 

 

vickyloras

11:45

@Fuertesun A pleasure Leahn! #ELTChat

 

 

 

 

theteacherjames

11:45

@nutrich @naomishema @divyabrochier True, but it caught me out! Depends on the activity, & I wasn't ready for it. #eltchat

tarabenwell

11:45

@hartle Fakebook looks so fun! I must check it out and share. #ELTChat

 

 

Fuertesun

11:45

RT @divyabrochier: #ELTCHAT familiarity is a huge advantage with beginner classes though

 

hartle

11:45

@naomishema #eltchat what are HOTs?

 

 

 

 

 

toulasklavou

11:44

@shaznosel @Marisa_C I know even when I was a S wa discouraged, maybe Ts need training or at least love lit. 2 talk abt it!#eltchat

divyabrochier

11:44

#ELTCHAT familiarity is a huge advantage with beginner classes though

 

 

naomishema

11:44

RT @hartle: RT @divyabrochier: RT @theteacherjames:  but over familiarity can be prob... #eltchat Or start with familiar ending and predict story

tarabenwell

11:44

RT @Marisa_C: RT @hartle: #eltchat we also had a lot of fun with the Fakebook programme making Fakebook pages for characters etc. http://bit.ly/hlix02

hartle

11:44

RT @divyabrochier: RT @theteacherjames:  but over familiarity can be prob... #eltchat Or start with familiar ending and predict story

naomishema

11:44

@pysproblem81 #eltchat Students are having trouble with HOTS in L2 when they weren't taught it in L1

helen100463

11:44

RT @Marisa_C: RT @hartle: #eltchat we also had a lot of fun with the Fakebook programme making Fakebook pages for characters etc. http://bit.ly/hlix02

rliberni

11:44

RT @tarabenwell: @sandymillin's Humpty Dumpty post has some fun ideas in the comments: http://tinyurl.com/3qjljoe #ELTChat

Shaunwilden

11:44

@hartle I think fakebook profiles are a good way to deal with  literature #eltchat

 

 

divyabrochier

11:44

RT @hartle: #eltchat we also had a lot of fun with the Fakebook programme making Fakebook pages for characters etc. http://bit.ly/hlix02

pjgallantry

11:44

#eltchat plays can be great - ss enacting roles & then debating and writing from characters' viewpoints

tarabenwell

11:44

@sandymillin's Humpty Dumpty post has some fun ideas in the comments: http://tinyurl.com/3qjljoe #ELTChat

Marisa_C

11:44

@hartle When we didn't have Facebook I sent the characters to be interviewed for specific jobs...:-D #eltchat

rliberni

11:44

@pysproblem81 true and I also think it is a real gift to students to introduce it to them #eltchat

Fuertesun

11:43

@vickyloras thnaks for @vickyloras  #ELTChathat #ELTChat

 

 

 

divyabrochier

11:43

RT @theteacherjames:  but over familiarity can be a problem, I've found. all know the ending! #ELTChat Good for weak SS #eltchat

vickyloras

11:43

Examples of Katherine Mansfield stories I have used:The Singing Lesson, Bliss - oh& also Kate Chopin's The Story of An Hour: super! #ELTChat

Marisa_C

11:43

RT @hartle: #eltchat we also had a lot of fun with the Fakebook programme making Fakebook pages for characters etc. http://bit.ly/hlix02

Shaunwilden

11:43

RT @hartle: #eltchat we also had a lot of fun with the Fakebook programme making Fakebook pages for characters etc. http://bit.ly/hlix02

pysproblem81

11:43

@rliberni personally think literature is a real key to higher level language skills... playing with language seems to help #eltchat

hartle

11:43

#eltchat we also had a lot of fun with the Fakebook programme making Fakebook pages for characters etc. http://bit.ly/hlix02

Fuertesun

11:43

@divyabrochier yes just a paragragh #ELTCHAT

 

 

 

 

naomishema

11:43

RT @theteacherjames: @tarabenwell but over familiarity can be a problem, I've found. all know the ending! #ELTChat Good for weak SS #eltchat

rliberni

11:43

60secondrecap are fun introductions to literature http://bit.ly/kLk8Px #eltchat

 

 

nutrich

11:43

@theteacherjames that can be a good thing, as they are primed with top-down knowledge, particularly if listening.  #eltchat

vickyloras

11:43

RT @Marisa_C: Here are some ideas about story animation for short or longer stories - sharing a blog post http://bit.ly/cRwkY1 #ELTchat

shaznosel

11:43

@Marisa_C  I agree but schools do not seem open to the the  read a book and comment on it..weird! such an easy option for an exam!#eltchat

Marisa_C

11:42

Aesop is great for Greek students - they know the stories anyway - so find their fairy tales in English #ELTchat

theteacherjames

11:42

Does anyone have any experiences of lit & extensive reading? #ELTChat

 

 

divyabrochier

11:42

#ELTCHAT just speed-read, someone said reading sometimes too passive, agree 100%  @Fuertesun did you do it all in class?

smaragdav

11:42

@Marisa_C  @naomishema @pjgallantry thanks for feedback #eltchat

 

 

vickyloras

11:42

RT @tarabenwell: If anyone wants to use Peter Pan, I'm recording it for my kids. First 3 audio chapters on my website. #ELTChat http://tinyurl.com/4k5rcpv

theteacherjames

11:41

@tarabenwell Love Aesop too, but over familiarity can be a problem, I've found. They all know the ending! #ELTChat

Fuertesun

11:41

@tr0ggie U still with us? #eltchat

 

 

 

 

 

Fuertesun

11:41

RT @hartle: RT @rliberni: @pjgallantry  I think a springboard approach is a great use of literature  etc..#eltchat Yes, I agree

hartle

11:41

RT @rliberni: @pjgallantry  I think a springboard approach is a great use of literature  etc..#eltchat Yes, I agree

rliberni

11:41

@pysproblem81 Lol? but :-(( really #eltchat

 

 

 

 

Fuertesun

11:40

@divyabrochier I've done whole chunks.. I used an Isabel Allende passage the last time from Spanish to English worked really well #ELTCHAT

hartle

11:40

#eltchat class libraries made me think of having stds use Google reader to select reading and listening and th… (cont) http://deck.ly/~kk9CK

fionamau

11:40

RT @Shaunwilden: @nutrich Aye purpose and variety answer most teaching questions I think :-) #eltchat

rliberni

11:40

@pjgallantry  I think a springboard approach is a great use of literature - reviews, role-plays, change endings, etc..#eltchat

tarabenwell

11:40

@rliberni Yeah Aesop stories are the perfect length. I'm really enjoying recording them too. #ELTChat

pjgallantry

11:40

@smaragdav did this with excerpts of 'Macbeth'. worked well. #eltchat

 

 

naomishema

11:40

@smaragdav #eltchat - comic idea GREAT but for SOME kids, perhaps give more than one option. some don't like comics

theteacherjames

11:40

@mkofab Isn't that amazing? I think we're entitled to some pride ourselves after that! #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:40

@smaragdav With so many animation tools it should be a great project #eltchat

 

 

divyabrochier

11:40

@Fuertesun #ELTCHAT whole chunks or vocab?

 

 

 

 

Shaunwilden

11:39

@nutrich Aye purpose and variety answer most teaching questions I think :-) #eltchat

 

Fuertesun

11:39

RT @Marisa_C: Here are some ideas about story animation for short or longer stories - sharing a blog post http://bit.ly/cRwkY1 #ELTchat

Marisa_C

11:39

Here are some ideas about story animation for short or longer stories - sharing a blog post http://bit.ly/cRwkY1 #ELTchat

smaragdav

11:39

Just got an idea for ss summer project... turn a short reader into comic book? #eltchat Feedback wanted on this one

toulasklavou

11:39

@shaznosel I think both.wouldn't this depend on the lesson's objectives?#eltchat

 

rliberni

11:39

RT @tarabenwell: If anyone wants to use Peter Pan, I'm recording it for my kids. First 3 audio chapters on my website. #ELTChat http://tinyurl.com/4k5rcpv

pjgallantry

11:39

RT #eltchat @nutrich Should we use literature that exists, or have the students create their own?>ss can use lit as springboard for own

tarabenwell

11:39

If anyone wants to use Peter Pan, I'm recording it for my kids. First 3 audio chapters on my website. #ELTChat http://tinyurl.com/4k5rcpv

rliberni

11:39

RT @theteacherjames: @nutrich They can create their own in response to the reading. I prefer more practical writing generally, though. #eltchat

Fuertesun

11:39

@divyabrochier YES #ELTCHAT

 

 

 

 

 

hartle

11:39

RT @nutrich: Should we use literature that exists, or have the students create their own? What's more important?  #eltchat both

nutrich

11:39

@Shaunwilden As always. #eltchat

 

 

 

 

 

Fuertesun

11:39

RT @theteacherjames: @nutrich They can create their own in response to the reading. I prefer more practical writing generally, though. #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:39

@shaznosel One year we experimented and did all our FCE exam prep through 39 steps - Wild success! #ELTchat

divyabrochier

11:39

#ELTCHAT do any of you work in translation with lit texts?

 

 

 

theteacherjames

11:38

@nutrich They can create their own in response to the reading. I prefer more practical writing generally, though. #eltchat

hartle

11:38

RT @mkofab: @toulasklavou No real integration Im afraid.  ...#eltchat Thts gd too: class libraries, swapping etc. Lots of scope there

Fuertesun

11:38

RT @Shaunwilden: @nutrich Doesnt that depend on purpose? #eltchat

 

 

Fuertesun

11:38

@nutrich Good question both I suppose but... #eltchat

 

 

 

Shaunwilden

11:38

@nutrich Doesnt that depend on purpose? #eltchat

 

 

 

 

rliberni

11:38

@tarabenwell  Hi Tara, these are amazing stories as are Greek and Roman myths even the bible stories all v accessible #eltchat

Englodysiac

11:37

@tarabenwell fab stuff. A teaching goldmine those stories #ELTchat

 

 

pjgallantry

11:37

#eltchat do you use modern texts, classics or a mix? how do you think it reflects culture or changes in culture?

nutrich

11:37

Should we use literature that exists, or have the students create their own? What's more important?  #eltchat

divyabrochier

11:37

RT @Marisa_C: My students also love excertps from Oscar Wilde plays - #ELTchat Mine too Marisa!

Fuertesun

11:37

@hartle cool thx #eltchat

 

 

 

 

 

 

hartle

11:37

RT @Fuertesun: @hartle intersting explain more bit slow tonite thx #eltchat ok, I'll write a post on my blog later. OK?

rliberni

11:37

RT @tarabenwell: We're just working with Aesop now.  Online sts are practising recording based on these: http://englishclub.com/s/?cd #ELTChat

rliberni

11:37

@mkofab absolutely - literature teaches so much about life - it really does! #eltchat

 

theteacherjames

11:37

@helen100463 Did Brown write "the Weapon"? A brilliant story to use w/ sts. #eltchat

 

tarabenwell

11:36

We're just working with Aesop now.  Online sts are practising recording based on these: http://englishclub.com/s/?cd #ELTChat

Shaunwilden

11:36

RT @mkofab: @rliberni  I agree. I like to believe stds can become "better " people if they read. Opens their world+learn English at same time.#eltchat

hartle

11:36

@Marisa_C  #eltchat you're welcome

 

 

 

 

 

Fuertesun

11:36

@hartle intersting explain more bit slow tonite thx #eltchat

 

 

 

rliberni

11:36

@pysproblem81 as the mother of a milliner, a contemporary  dancer and a soon to be artist (poss a chef in No 4)  I'm horrified! #eltchat

naomishema

11:36

RT @mkofab: @rliberni  I agree. I like to believe stds can become "better " people if they read. Opens their world+learn English at same time.#eltchat

deborahrecord

11:35

RT @Marisa_C: It;s almost time for #ELTchat  - the topic is Creative Use of Literature in ELT - well it;s not just in ELT - also in #ell I think :-)

mkofab

11:35

@rliberni  I agree. I like to believe stds can become "better " people if they read. Opens their world+learn English at same time.#eltchat

Englodysiac

11:35

Brothers Grimm have endless teaching permutations & combinations #ELTchat

 

 

vickyloras

11:35

I like short stories as well.Katherine Mansfield is great for advanced classes #ELTChat

 

hartle

11:35

RT @Fuertesun: #eltchat I've also used mixed up texts , 1 group with nound, another with verbs etc. they reconstruct text & read

theteacherjames

11:35

@mkofab Yes, I've seen sts beaming because they've finished their first ever novel in Eng. I was proud of them too! #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:35

@hartle @springrose12  #eltchat thnks for sharing links !  #eltchat

 

 

 

pysproblem81

11:35

@Englodysiac devil's advocate would say - one will get them home, one won't #eltchat

 

Shaunwilden

11:35

RT @nutrich: @Englodysiac @pysproblem81 Coz train timetables are practical & helpful, whereas literature is not?! He said, argumentatively...; ) #eltchat

divyabrochier

11:35

@Fuertesun #ELTCHAT what a great text to do that with!

 

 

 

pjgallantry

11:35

#eltchat we use combinations of authentic texts, abridged/adapted texts, video, cartoons & audio with lit

nutrich

11:35

@Englodysiac @pysproblem81 Coz train timetables are practical & helpful, whereas literature is not?! He said, argumentatively...; ) #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11:34

RT @springrose12: @Marisa_CA good website for folk tales. http://www.eurotales.eril.net/ #eltchat

naomishema

11:34

@rliberni #eltchat they saw Richard Cory like a character on a TV show. But other teachers said I was being irresponsible.

helen100463

11:34

Have used Frederic Brown very short sci-fi stories with teens - tales with a twist #eltchat

 

rliberni

11:34

RT @springrose12: @Marisa_CA good website for folk tales. http://www.eurotales.eril.net/ #eltchat

tarabenwell

11:34

@Fuertesun Thank you! #ELTChat

 

 

 

 

 

springrose12

11:34

@Marisa_CA good website for folk tales. http://www.eurotales.eril.net/ #eltchat

 

 

vickyloras

11:34

RT @Marisa_C: My students also love excertps from Oscar Wilde plays - #ELTchat

 

hartle

11:34

RT @springrose12: @Marisa_C another ..site http://bbc.in/iMZYjA #eltchat looks really good :-)

divyabrochier

11:34

#eltchat, Husband got home from week-long business trip been discussing parenting over prawns, i'm going to read quickly

pysproblem81

11:34

@rliberni given that humanities teaching in UK universities has just had a 90% funding cut - paradigm says no #eltchat

nutrich

11:34

@Marisa_C Just thought I'd chuck it in there! Not that I'm an ELFer but for some ss it's arguably unnecessary.  #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:33

And quite a few Wilde plays on You Tube now #ELTchat

 

 

 

rliberni

11:33

RT @Marisa_C: My students also love excertps from Oscar Wilde plays - #ELTchat I've used these too really funny

Englodysiac

11:33

@pysproblem81 @nutrich If u can use railway timetables why not literature for skills training? #ELTchat

pjgallantry

11:33

RT #eltchat @smaragdav Love it ! Thank you!

 

 

 

 

naomishema

11:33

@Shaunwilden #eltchat - I guess I didn't think about songs with my students LOL!

 

rliberni

11:33

RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat  I think the big advantage of using literature in class is that it positively encourages active reading - stimes reading is passive

Marisa_C

11:33

My students also love excertps from Oscar Wilde plays - #ELTchat

 

 

 

Fuertesun

11:33

@divyabrochier no problme mLit in the classroom what do you use and how? #ELTCHAT

 

Shaunwilden

11:33

@divyabrochier After telling me earlier you were def going to attend ;-) #eltchat

 

 

rliberni

11:33

@naomishema I think teenagers are a lot more perceptive than adults! #eltchat

 

 

pjgallantry

11:33

#eltchat  I think the big advantage of using literature in class is that it positively encourages active reading - stimes reading is passive

smaragdav

11:33

@pjgallantry Love it !  #eltchat

 

 

 

 

 

Fuertesun

11:33

RT @Shaunwilden: @naomishema I see, i dont think a big issue is it? something for discussion by the class? #eltchat we could say the same about songs

divyabrochier

11:33

#ELTCHAT Aaaahh!! I missed the firsthalf hour:(

 

 

 

 

mkofab

11:32

Sts can/would never read the  same number of pages  in just "texts". It is great confidence boost that they can read  novel.#eltchat

theteacherjames

11:32

@naomishema I used "Of Mice & Men" which is full of mistakes. Great practice for reading skills & they could check with peers & me. #eltchat

Fuertesun

11:32

@tarabenwell Lit in the classroom #ELTChat

 

 

 

 

Marisa_C

11:32

@nutrich Well -you got me there... #eltchat

 

 

 

 

deborahrecord

11:32

RT @flocabulary: @pjgallantry We've got a resource to help with tough rhymes, like orange: http://ow.ly/5dnLX #eltchat

rliberni

11:32

@pysproblem81 is being able to appreciate literature, theatre, film etc.. not also a life-skill? #eltchat

Fuertesun

11:32

@Marisa_C I'll have to give her a go in class #eltchat

 

 

 

 

tarabenwell

11:32

Can I be a bit rude and ask the topic? #ELTChat

 

 

 

 

Shaunwilden

11:32

@naomishema I see, i dont think a big issue is it? something for discussion by the class? #eltchat we could say the same about songs

nutrich

11:32

@pysproblem81 Also, if you go with teaching the basics, i.e. ELF, what's the point of literature! ; )  #eltchat

pysproblem81

11:32

@nutrich doesn't mean I agree... just it always feels a bit 'naughty' doing it #eltchat

 

Marisa_C

11:31

@Fuertesun yes we have some Plath stuff - qutie a long time ago now but ss loved them  #eltchat

tarabenwell

11:31

Ah, I just realized it's #ELTChat time.

 

 

 

 

 

rliberni

11:31

RT @pysproblem81: @nutrich I worry that it is hard to 'justify' using literature in FE's utilitarian view of education as skills training #eltchat

springrose12

11:31

@Marisa_C another great English language Literature site http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/english_literature/ #eltchat

hartle

11:31

RT @naomishema: #eltchat But what about mistakes... U cn use thm to show non standard use (depending on leve… (cont) http://deck.ly/~mvVYv

naomishema

11:31

@Shaunwilden #eltchat it's incorrect English used by the characters in the story.

 

 

theteacherjames

11:31

@toulasklavou I offer it as extra option. We can discuss it at the beginning as small talk. I'm a great believer in ext reading. #eltchat

Fuertesun

11:31

Has anyone used any Sylvia Plath poems? #eltchat

 

 

 

 

pysproblem81

11:31

@nutrich I worry that it is hard to 'justify' using literature in FE's utilitarian view of education as skills training #eltchat

pjgallantry

11:30

#eltchat someone asked about grammar poems - well, here's mine about tenses... http://t.co/lbxUjiD

vickyloras

11:30

RT @Marisa_C: We have also used local folk tales and stories translated into English with our refugee classes - better than Jonhs and Marys #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

11:30

@naomishema What do you mean by mistakes? #eltchat are the deliberately done for effect?

vickyloras

11:30

Sometimes they like buying the audiobook too and listen to it on their way to work,works wonders for their language #ELTChat

Fuertesun

11:30

RT @Marisa_C: We have also used local folk tales and stories translated into English with our refugee classes - better than Jonhs and Marys #ELTchat

Marisa_C

11:30

@hartle same for book - cover and blurb  #eltchat

 

 

 

 

springrose12

11:30

@naomishema @Marisa_C  #eltchat Depending on the lev. these poems can be used. http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/english/poemscult/

naomishema

11:30

RT @Marisa_C: We have also used local folk tales and stories translated into English with our refugee classes - better than Jonhs and Marys #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

11:30

@smaragdav haha true :-) #eltchat

 

 

 

 

 

Marisa_C

11:29

We have also used local folk tales and stories translated into English with our refugee classes - better than Jonhs and Marys #ELTchat

toulasklavou

11:29

@theteacherjames @mkofab how do u integrate lit into Bus Eng classes?#eltchat

 

 

smaragdav

11:29

@Shaunwilden That way we know who actually read the book , too! ;) #eltchat

 

 

naomishema

11:29

#eltchat But what about literature that has mistakes in English? "thank you Mam by Langston Hughes for example

hartle

11:29

RT @Marisa_C: @smaragdav In fact clips of the film could form part ...prediction for reading  #eltchat as can blurb frm the DVD jacket

theteacherjames

11:29

@smaragdav I used the film after the book was finished. Made for an interesting point of comparison. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11:29

RT @hartle: #eltchat the gr8t thing abt literature is the way language is used so well. It's very satisfying to read well turned phrases for stds too

springrose12

11:29

@naomishema @Marisa_C Ss relate and use their transfering skills more effectively if can relate to literature read. #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:29

RT @hartle: #eltchat the gr8t thing abt literature is the way language is used so well. > Yay! By master craftsmen ...

hartle

11:28

#eltchat the gr8t thing abt literature is the way language is used so well. It's very satisfying to read well turned phrases for stds too

rliberni

11:28

@smaragdav I think films are gr8 for consolidation my tcher wkshop ppl read the Brontes b4 they come we discuss & then watch films #eltchat

theteacherjames

11:28

@mkofab I think that's brilliant. You are offering them a rich & varied learning experience. #eltchat

smaragdav

11:28

@Marisa_C Great idea. Will do that with CPE students.  #eltchat

 

 

 

Shaunwilden

11:28

@Marisa_C @smaragdav  And show comprehension by discussing what's not in the film #eltchat

Fuertesun

11:27

@naomishema translation can be a great tool with literature.... #eltchat

 

 

deborahrecord

11:27

RT @cybraryman1: @worldteacher My Flashcards page: http://tinyurl.com/4vl2q62 #eltchat #elt #efl #esl

Marisa_C

11:27

@smaragdav In fact clips of the film could form part of the pre-reading and prediction for reading  #eltchat

theteacherjames

11:27

RT @mkofab: I've taught Bus Eng classes for last 25 yrs but started private little library, encourage business std to borrow books #eltchat

naomishema

11:27

@rliberni #eltchat Taught Richard Cory to 10th-12graders. They actually related to seemingly perfect guy on the outside is unhappy inside

hartle

11:27

RT @mkofab: I've only taught Business ..#eltchat I do some business classes, but I get thm to read extensively things they are interested in

Shaunwilden

11:27

@smaragdav Yes i think they shld that's what we often do in real life isnt it? #eltchat

 

Marisa_C

11:27

@smaragdav I don;t see why not watch the film  #eltchat

 

 

 

Fuertesun

11:27

@naomishema Soory forgot you teach deaf ss must be very interesting I was deaf blind tutor once... #eltchat

toulasklavou

11:27

@Fuertesun thanks!find it v interesting !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

smaragdav

11:26

Set books : Should ss watch the film based on the book they read or be encouraged to read parts of it again ? #eltchat

rliberni

11:26

@mkofab my business students often asked to do something else & we did poetry and lots of reviews too! #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:26

@hartle If i had time I would put them up as e-books but.... #ELTchat

 

 

Fuertesun

11:26

I used Ceri Jones activity on translating Isabel Allende text it worked a treat with Spanish ss #eltchat

naomishema

11:26

@Fuertesun #eltchat translation - oh yes, no choice with my deaf students.

 

 

theteacherjames

11:26

@rliberni Yes, I used "Land of My Childhood" Oxford's reader of stories from SE Asia, for examples. #eltchat

mkofab

11:25

I've only taught Business English classes for last 25 yrs but started private little library,encourage business std to borrow books #eltchat

shaznosel

11:25

@toulasklavou  poems are everywhere, even on  you tube which is encouraging for ss.#eltchat

rliberni

11:25

@naomishema how old were the students? Not that it should make a difference if they can deal with it #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:25

@Englodysiac Perhaps I didnt understand the activity - unfortunately our classes are multilingual these days  #ELTchat

Fuertesun

11:25

Anyone used translation as a tool with literature? #eltchat

 

 

 

flocabulary

11:25

Songs are also great for helping language learners. #ELTchat

 

 

 

helen100463

11:25

@Shaunwilden  thanks for link - trying to read columns like a madman ! #eltchat

 

pjgallantry

11:25

RT #eltchat @theteacherjames But can be avoided by presenting a range of global literature which the sts can choose from>my next point!

rliberni

11:25

RT @naomishema: #ELTchat My teaching Richard Cory sparked a huge  eng. teachers debate about if it is o.k to teach a poem that has suicide in it. scared me

Shaunwilden

11:25

@Englodysiac It sounds like a great idea #eltchat

 

 

 

 

Marisa_C

11:25

@hartle Some comprehension, some vocab but quite a bit on theme motif and literary devices too - I loved writing those mats #eltchat

naomishema

11:24

#ELTchat My teaching Richard Cory sparked a huge  eng. teachers debate about if it is o.k to teach a poem that has suicide in it. scared me

rliberni

11:24

@theteacherjames I agree find English language writers from India, Singapore, Africa, Malaysia etc.. there are many #eltchat

Englodysiac

11:24

@Marisa_C the idea is  in trying to recollect the original piece while translating back sts learn chunks #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

11:24

@Marisa_C :-) I seem to remember my greek sts lapping up the set books #eltchat

 

nutrich

11:24

@pysproblem81  #eltchat I was just writing a tweet about that!! Nice one. The 'Snow' poem was a great idea.

Fuertesun

11:24

@helen100463 No problem #eltchat

 

 

 

 

 

helen100463

11:24

@Fuertesun  sounds great thanks for answering  #eltchat

 

 

 

Fuertesun

11:23

@toulasklavou grammar jazz chnats Carolyn Graham grammar poems no idea! #eltchat

 

hartle

11:23

@Marisa_C  What type of activities? #eltchat

 

 

 

 

pysproblem81

11:23

Not used much lit myself, but saw ESOL creative writing/poetry sesh by David C Byrne @ #NATESOL made  me think http://bit.ly/mhTex6 #eltchat

theteacherjames

11:23

@pjgallantry But can be avoided by presenting a range of global literature which the sts can choose from. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11:23

After 20 mins of #eltchat i realsie i use literature much more then I  thought

 

 

Fuertesun

11:23

@helen100463 I read the poem they had to listen and write  then get into pairs and re-construct and listen again and then again #eltchat

toulasklavou

11:23

@hartle Nice idea, where can we find grammar poems?#eltchat

 

 

 

Marisa_C

11:23

@Shaunwilden In the old days I wrote two or three activity books for those set texts  #eltchat

 

Shaunwilden

11:22

@helen100463 http://bit.ly/dVwx7g #eltchat

 

 

 

 

rliberni

11:22

RT @cybraryman1: @worldteacher My Flashcards page: http://tinyurl.com/4vl2q62 #eltchat #elt #efl #esl

hartle

11:22

RT @Englodysiac: Another thing I do is "change endings" of well known pieces by substitution followed by guessing ga mes #ELTchat Good :-)

rliberni

11:22

RT @naomishema: RT @Englodysiac: Another thing I do is "change endings" of well known pieces by substitution followed by guessing games #ELTchat GREAT!

vickyloras

11:22

RT @hartle: #eltchat poetry is expression and cn be sparked by all kinds of things: music, images, words... the brain just needs something to set it off

cybraryman1

11:22

@worldteacher My Flashcards page: http://tinyurl.com/4vl2q62 #eltchat #elt #efl #esl

 

smaragdav

11:22

Never been a big fan of poetry .. some people just don't have any imagination! #eltchat

 

naomishema

11:22

RT @Englodysiac: Another thing I do is "change endings" of well known pieces by substitution followed by guessing games #ELTchat GREAT!

flocabulary

11:22

We're all about rhymes to help ELL students. Our Word Up Project uses rhymes to teach vocab words: http://ow.ly/5do4u #ELTchat

rliberni

11:22

RT @vickyloras: RT @Marisa_C Anyway I believe that a language is its literature too - very impotant part of its culture #ELTchat //Very important point

pjgallantry

11:22

#eltchat of course lit should be taught, but must also be careful of the 'cultural imperialism' thingy - some lit can be controversial!

Englodysiac

11:22

Another thing I do is "change endings" of well known pieces by substitution followed by guessing games #ELTchat

hartle

11:22

#eltchat poetry is expression and cn be sparked by all kinds of things: music, images, words... the brain just needs something to set it off

rliberni

11:21

@Fuertesun  sorry it's in my interview with Shaun if you follow the link it's his story #eltchat

 

Marisa_C

11:21

@Englodysiac OK - but literary transltion a special skill - personally I wouldn't use this unless training trtanslators #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

11:21

@Marisa_C Thats a good point thinking back, I would agree those that do the text have a better grasp on things #eltchat

helen100463

11:21

@Fuertesun  dictagloss ? can you explain more ?? #eltchat

 

 

 

Fuertesun

11:21

RT @hartle: #eltchat expression through poetry is very satisfying for learners too, it's real and cn be done at low levels. Grammar poems reinforce too

SSNS_Teachers

11:20

RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat saw lesson once where T gave ss only the final (rhyming) words of each line of poem - ss had to complete it - worked brilliantly!

vickyloras

11:20

I use a lot of poetry-short, we can stop every now and then and comment;even those who "don't like it" love it in the end & learn! #ELTChat

Fuertesun

11:20

I used a poem as a dictagloss the other day worked well  then we discussed it #eltchat

 

Marisa_C

11:20

I think the strongest groups of C2 level Ss I have taught are those who took the set text option for the CPE exams #ELTchat

theteacherjames

11:20

RT @Marisa_C: Anyway I believe that a language is its literature too - very impotant part of its culture #ELTchat

hartle

11:20

#eltchat expression through poetry is very satisfying for learners too, it's real and cn be done at low levels. Grammar poems reinforce too

rliberni

11:20

RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat saw lesson once where T gave ss only the final (rhyming) words of each line of poem - ss had to complete it - worked brilliantly!

Shaunwilden

11:20

RT @Englodysiac: @Marisa_C u take a piece of text, get stds to translate it into L1, n then translate it back to Eng #ELTchat

nutrich

11:20

@pjgallantry  #eltchat I'll make a note of that one, good stuff! : )

 

 

 

rliberni

11:20

RT @hartle: #eltchat on poetry Alan Maley's book The Inward Ear is another old favourite of mine. Love the hamster on th… (cont) http://deck.ly/~ArImm

Englodysiac

11:20

@Marisa_C u take a piece of text, get stds to translate it into L1, n then translate it back to Eng #ELTchat

theteacherjames

11:20

@pjgallantry Issue 1: True, could be a problem, but can be overcome. Issue 2: As early as possible! #eltchat

nutrich

11:19

RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat saw lesson once where T gave ss only the final (rhyming) words of each line of poem - ss had to complete it - worked brilliantly!

hartle

11:19

RT @vickyloras: RT @Marisa_C Anyway I believe that a language is its literature too - very impotant part of its culture #ELTchat //Very important point

vickyloras

11:19

RT @Marisa_C Anyway I believe that a language is its literature too - very impotant part of its culture #ELTchat //Very important point

Fuertesun

11:19

@rliberni thought I read FIRE story not FIVE #eltchat #edchat #iatefl #esol #efl #esl

 

shaznosel

11:19

RT @Marisa_C: @pjgallantry Well some students don;t read ANYTHING in their L1 - no reason not to teach reading skills  #eltchat

hartle

11:19

#eltchat on poetry Alan Maley's book The Inward Ear is another old favourite of mine. Love the hamster on th… (cont) http://deck.ly/~ArImm

iatefl_yltsig

11:19

@pjgallantry  there are good websites to find ryhmes  http://bit.ly/3gEew #eltchat used in class fine !

pjgallantry

11:19

#eltchat saw lesson once where T gave ss only the final (rhyming) words of each line of poem - ss had to complete it - worked brilliantly!

smaragdav

11:19

RT @Marisa_C: Anyway I believe that a language is its literature too - very impotant part of its culture #ELTchat

naomishema

11:19

@12mandown #eltchat  - feeling line?

 

 

 

 

 

vickyloras

11:18

RT @Marisa_C: @pjgallantry Well some students don;t read ANYTHING in their L1 - no reason not to teach reading skills  #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:18

Anyway I believe that a language is its literature too - very impotant part of its culture #ELTchat

rliberni

11:18

@Fuertesun Who's in my PLN? My interview: http://wp.me/ptGdh-VY #eltchat #edchat #iatefl #esol #efl #esl http://wp.me/ptGdh-VY

theteacherjames

11:18

I think lit is one of the most powerful tools to increase a student's language ability, & I'm amazed it isn't used more often. #ELTChat

12mandown

11:18

Use timeline parallel with feelings line to help students enter a short story  or other work of fiction #eltchat

Fuertesun

11:18

RT @naomishema: #eltchat Shel Silverstein Poetry is GREAT for older weak learners as the topics R  attactive and lang. simple. Not  in our program now...

Marisa_C

11:18

@pjgallantry Well some students don;t read ANYTHING in their L1 - no reason not to teach reading skills  #eltchat

Fuertesun

11:17

@rliberni What's the fire story? #eltchat

 

 

 

 

 

rliberni

11:17

RT @flocabulary: @pjgallantry We've got a resource to help with tough rhymes, like orange: http://ow.ly/5dnLX #eltchat

naomishema

11:17

#eltchat Shel Silverstein Poetry is GREAT for older weak learners as the topics R  attactive and lang. simple. Not  in our program now...

rliberni

11:17

@Shaunwilden depends on the age, level maybe btw your fire story is quite a hit! #eltchat

 

Fuertesun

11:17

@Shaunwilden try evab2001 poem about Beauty #eltchat

 

 

 

Marisa_C

11:17

@Englodysiac what is dbld translation pls #ELTchat

 

 

 

 

flocabulary

11:17

@pjgallantry We've got a resource to help with tough rhymes, like orange: http://ow.ly/5dnLX #eltchat

pjgallantry

11:17

#eltchat two issues with literature: do students already read lit extensively in L1? & what level should it be introduced?

Englodysiac

11:17

I have often used short stories cut up for dbl translation in writing workshops #ELTchat Work great

theteacherjames

11:16

@smaragdav Yes, kids or adults. I make a big effort to change that! #eltchat

 

 

Shaunwilden

11:16

@rliberni Fair enough just not had that much success with it I guess #eltchat

 

 

Marisa_C

11:16

@Fuertesun they are Japanese poems of 3 lines and specicic numebr of syllables in each line 5 7 and 5  #eltchat

Fuertesun

11:16

@rliberni I agree #eltchat

 

 

 

 

 

 

rliberni

11:16

@Shaunwilden there's a lot that is not taxing to read and can spark wonderful discussion #eltchat

smaragdav

11:16

@theteacherjames Most students dont think of reading as sth fun.. that's sad .. but i believe it's up to us to change that  #eltchat

pjgallantry

11:16

#eltchat limericks good, but can be frustrating when trying to think of a rhyme for someone's name

Fuertesun

11:15

@vickyloras evening #ELTCHat

 

 

 

 

 

Fuertesun

11:15

@Marisa_C What are Haikus? #eltchat

 

 

 

 

 

theteacherjames

11:15

@Marisa_C Or short stories. #ELTchat

 

 

 

 

 

vickyloras

11:15

I'm here too, sorry I'm late - yay literature! #ELTCHat

 

 

 

helen100463

11:15

Writing poetry : we used sites to find rhymes extensively #eltchat

 

 

 

hartle

11:15

#eltchat  I used to use this CUP teacher's handbook a lot http://amzn.to/jIDykJ some excellent ideas on bringing literature to life

Fuertesun

11:15

@Shaunwilden YEs biut some works really well Harmer's Beauty poem worked fab the other week #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:15

@helen100463 Haikus are also great for raising sykllable/pronunciation awareness #eltchat

 

Shaunwilden

11:15

RT @rliberni: @naomishema yes where thye can create as well as read Haiku is gr8 too #eltchat

theteacherjames

11:15

@smaragdav I think the fun aspect is absolutely crucial. I want to build a reading habit that will lead to a love of the language. #eltchat

naomishema

11:15

@springrose12 #eltchat we aren't supposed to use translated lit, only authentic lit.!

 

helen100463

11:14

@Marisa_C  yes they were very silly ! #eltchat

 

 

 

 

Shaunwilden

11:14

RT @rliberni: @Marisa_C  I agree poetry is very accessible we use a lot on Gapfillers #eltchat Really? I guess it depends on the poetry

Fuertesun

11:14

RT @rliberni: @Marisa_C  I agree poetry is very accessible we use a lot on Gapfillers #eltchat -me too

Fuertesun

11:14

@naomishema box with readers ss can borrow #eltchat

 

 

 

Marisa_C

11:14

RT @helen100463: Teens have had great fun with limericks in class #eltchat > and can write their own

rliberni

11:14

@Marisa_C  I agree poetry is very accessible we use a lot on Gapfillers #eltchat

 

 

pjgallantry

11:14

#eltchat I think ss got most out of doing 'Macbeth' and 'Pride & Prejudice' in our groups

 

naomishema

11:14

#eltchat What is a book box?

 

 

 

 

 

helen100463

11:14

Teens have had great fun with limericks in class #eltchat

 

 

 

Fuertesun

11:13

@tr0ggie works better easier to follow #eltchat

 

 

 

 

springrose12

11:13

@Marisa_C Did anybody use translated poems or stories from different cultures instead of English poets or writers? #eltchat

theteacherjames

11:13

@naomishema I never use lit. as a way to teach vocab. They can get that elsewhere. Lit is great for building critical skills. #eltchat

Fuertesun

11:13

@Marisa_C yes short bits are much more chewable #ELTchat

 

 

 

tr0ggie

11:13

no but I can #eltchat

 

 

 

 

 

 

rliberni

11:13

@Marisa_C @smaragdav  it's important to set the tasks right for literature just an overview can be enough or select bits #eltchat

naomishema

11:13

RT @smaragdav:  maybe making it compulsory takes the fun out of it #eltchat -  That's a problem!

Marisa_C

11:13

If a book box not a possibility how about using poetry and story excerpts? @riberni's idea for example @#ELTchat

Fuertesun

11:13

@tr0ggie are you using tweetdeck? #eltchat

 

 

 

 

Shaunwilden

11:13

@pjgallantry they werent in to the dark satanic mills? #eltchat

 

 

 

pjgallantry

11:13

#eltchat @hartle What happened? was told in no uncertain terms it was rubbish - to be honest I wasn't v good at presenting it!

flocabulary

11:12

@marisa_c Shakespeare is definitely well suited for modernizing! And it surprisingly makes it very accessible for ELLs #eltchat

tr0ggie

11:12

@Fuertesun - not that old - but happy to have stumbled past at such an opportune moment #eltchat

rliberni

11:12

@Marisa_C it was in a book (can't remember) but it took specific scenes to work on but gave an overview in the real language too #eltchat

smaragdav

11:12

Have been thinking about assigning a reader as summer work but not sure.. maybe making it compulsory takes the fun out of it #eltchat

hartle

11:12

RT @shaznosel: @Marisa_C  my book box  is the only way ....#eltchat book boxes are gr8t :-) like class libraries too

naomishema

11:12

#eltchat Just finished teaching "the road not taken" to weak learners. they got the concepts of prediction and metaphors but not much vocab

theteacherjames

11:12

@Marisa_C Not at the moment, but I would definitely use a book box in the future, in almost all contexts. #ELTchat

pjgallantry

11:11

#eltchat we build a reader into every term of our FT EFL classes - to date, mostly very successfully

Marisa_C

11:11

@rliberni  #eltchat Love the idea Romeo & Juliet - carrying a story forward into our times and changing the setting #ELTchat

hartle

11:11

RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat I had an early put-off experience with literature in EFL class: :P What happened?

smaragdav

11:11

@rliberni  sounds great  #eltchat

 

 

 

 

 

shaznosel

11:11

@Marisa_C  my book box  is the only way ss  are  encouraged to read..#eltchat

 

 

rliberni

11:11

Some of the new graphic novels around look fabulous! #eltchat

 

 

 

hartle

11:11

#eltchat I did an extensive reading project this year at uni with "The Winter Ghosts" by Kate Mosse

pjgallantry

11:10

#eltchat I had an early put-off experience with literature in EFL class: tried teaching some 14-yr-olds some WIlliam Blake! :P

rliberni

11:10

RT @Marisa_C: Has anyone used a book box (if ur school doesn;t have a library)? #ELTchat for Ss to borrow readers etc?

Shaunwilden

11:10

RT @tr0ggie: #eltchat -Hi :-) if  you need any help just ask :-)

 

 

 

flocabulary

11:10

@englodysiac Hello everyone in #ELTchat !

 

 

 

 

Marisa_C

11:10

Has anyone used a book box (if ur school doesn;t have a library)? #ELTchat for Ss to borrow readers etc?

rliberni

11:10

Did a gr8 ex on Romeo & Juliet which looked at using the two families in the play stds had to spread rumours about other grp  #eltchat

Fuertesun

11:10

@tr0ggie evening Clare #eltchat

 

 

 

 

 

smaragdav

11:09

RT @naomishema: #eltchat we have to teach literary concept and thinking skills with the lit and  that's hard.

pjgallantry

11:09

#eltchat evening all.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

tr0ggie

11:09

#eltchat - totally unsure how this works - newbie in the area but very interested in topic.

 

helen100463

11:09

Short science fiction stories  #eltchat

 

 

 

 

 

naomishema

11:09

#eltchat we have to teach literary concept and thinking skills with the lit and  that's hard.

 

shaznosel

11:09

@Marisa_C  Rarely if  relating to the course book but often as I encourage my ss to read English novels which I provide..#eltchat

Shaunwilden

11:09

@smaragdav Oh yes set texts forgot about those #ELTchat

 

 

 

Fuertesun

11:09

@Marisa_C Used a Langston Huges poems about dremas a couple of months back..very nice #ELTchat

helen100463

11:09

Not me  - seems to take too long to get into a text #eltchat poetry yes

 

 

Englodysiac

11:09

I have but in bits and pieces mostly to suit my purposes #ELTchat

 

 

 

smaragdav

11:08

Have used set texts for C1 and C2 exams , regardless of the exam students are taking #eltchat

rliberni

11:08

@Marisa_C  I've used lots of poetry, short stories and some Shakespeare too #eltchat

 

Fuertesun

11:08

@Marisa_C Have used bits from Grapes of Wrath, Poems and Isabel Allenede #ELTchat

 

Shaunwilden

11:08

@Marisa_C  A few class readers and short stories but nothing much given my years teaching #ELTchat

rliberni

11:08

RT @springrose12: @Marisa_C Liked this paper about using literature in Esl/ Ell teaching. http://t.co/I1RnUov

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

naomishema

11:08

#eltchat we use powerpoint to make slideshows illustrating lines of a poem.

 

 

springrose12

11:07

@Marisa_C Liked this paper about using literature in Esl/ Ell teaching. http://t.co/I1RnUov

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

theteacherjames

11:07

@Marisa_C I have, and I love it! #ELTchat

 

 

 

 

Marisa_C

11:07

@Fuertesun What kind fof texts do you use LEahn? #ELTchat

 

 

 

hartle

11:07

@Shaunwilden  yes this is the real me with real cat called Haggis #eltchat :-)

 

 

rliberni

11:07

@Marisa_C  me in class & as a special option too #eltchat

 

 

 

Fuertesun

11:07

@Marisa_C Me #ELTchat

 

 

 

 

 

 

Englodysiac

11:07

Hi everyone  #ELTchat

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fuertesun

11:07

@hartle Is that a cat I can see? #eltchat

 

 

 

 

 

shaznosel

11:07

how do we use literature in the class..mainly for reading/writing a review etc or speaking to brainstorm the  book/text?? #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:07

How many of you have used literature in your lessons? #ELTchat

 

 

 

Shaunwilden

11:06

@hartle Is that a new picture? #ELTchat

 

 

 

 

 

hartle

11:06

#eltchat hi everyone

 

 

 

 

 

 

smaragdav

11:06

RT @Marisa_C: Welcome to this evening's #ELTchat on Literature in ELT - for the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to that - pls join us

naomishema

11:06

#eltchat@Marisa_C  Yeah, it's awesome! 3 days!

 

 

 

 

AFTTeach

11:05

Want to discuss literature in #ELT? Join the #ELTchat happening now! #engchat #ellchat #langchat

Marisa_C

11:05

@naomishema Hi Naomi - very jealous :-)  #eltchat

 

 

 

 

Fuertesun

11:05

RT @Shaunwilden: So then creative use of literature....#ELTchat

 

 

 

Shaunwilden

11:05

So then creative use of literature....#ELTchat

 

 

 

 

Marisa_C

11:04

Our moderators tonight are @riberni @Shaunwilden and myself - if new to #ELTchat ask ua for hele & please remember to use the hashtag!

naomishema

11:04

#eltchat - for this one I'm on time! So nice to be on holiday, not concerned about the late hour (11p.m.)

Shaunwilden

11:04

Gosh 9pm where did the day go? #eltchat time :-)

 

 

 

 

Fuertesun

11:03

RT @Marisa_C: Welcome to this evening's #ELTchat on Literature in ELT - for the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to that - pls join us

 

 

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