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rliberni
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1:58 PM
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For the next hour, all my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTchat.
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rliberni
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1:58 PM
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@du_siemens How to PRESENT new grammar points: diffrnt techniques, st engagement, key elements of effective grammar presentation #eltchat
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OUPELTGlobal
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1:58 PM
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For the next hour, all our tweets will be dedicated to #ELTchat. Please welcome @verri144 to the stage...
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irishmikeh
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1:58 PM
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@mubeenfk @Marisa_C re: next steps for DELTA qualified: How about specialisation (ESP, Business English, etc.) or writing? #ELTchat
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Shaunwilden
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1:59 PM
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This topic is How to PRESENT new grammar points: diffrnt techniques, st engagement, key elements of effective grammar presentation #eltchat
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lolonagi
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1:59 PM
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#eltchat now.... my tweets will be for it
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barbsaka
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1:59 PM
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Hope to see some of my new #KOTESOL friends on #ELTChat this week :-)
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lolonagi
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1:59 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: Ok almost time for #eltchat the moderators for this chat are me, @rliberni and @barbsaka so if you need help contact us
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Shaunwilden
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1:59 PM
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Ok almost time for #eltchat the moderators for this chat are me, @rliberni and @barbsaka so if you need help contact us
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rliberni
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2:00 PM
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Don't forget to add the hashtag #eltchat at the end of your tweet!
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barbsaka
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2:00 PM
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I show that it's time for #eltchat Who's ready to chat?
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hartle
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2:00 PM
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#eltchat Hi everyone
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Marisa_C
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2:00 PM
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@Shaunwilden I may be able to join in 30 minutes #eltchat - only two TPs today
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barbsaka
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2:00 PM
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OOOOOH I hear @jefflebow calling @Shaunwilden #eltchat :-)
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rliberni
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2:00 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: Ok almost time for #eltchat the moderators for this chat are me, @rliberni and @barbsaka so if you need help contact us
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rliberni
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2:01 PM
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So grammar - love it or hate it? We can't ignore it! #eltchat
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hartle
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2:01 PM
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#eltchat a bit busy but I'll contribute when I can :-)
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cioccas
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2:01 PM
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For the next hour, all my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTchat.
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barbsaka
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2:01 PM
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So tonight the topic is how to PRESENT new grammar #eltchat
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lolonagi
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2:01 PM
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yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees... are u ready.... let's rock 'n roll #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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2:01 PM
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RT @TheConsultantsE: Keynote Video Recording: Litttle Tech for Big Results by @barsaka http://bit.ly/m24Yxm #edtech #elemchat #eltchat #ellchat #kinderchat
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cherrymp
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2:02 PM
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@LizziePinard welcome #eltchat
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dreadnought001
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2:02 PM
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@jefflebow how is the Skype chat similar/different to the Twitter stream? #eltchat
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lolonagi
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2:02 PM
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@rliberni exactly... but difficult to attract ss t #eltchat
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BobK99
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2:02 PM
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@barbsaka Ready for #eltchat. But just in from bio-mass reduction in garden, so no idea what's the topic.
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LizziePinard
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2:02 PM
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#eltchat im half here...
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cherrymp
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2:02 PM
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RT @rliberni: So grammar - love it or hate it? We can't ignore it! #eltchat >true
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Shaunwilden
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2:02 PM
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Don't forget the live stream #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:03 PM
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@lolonagi Why do you think they feel a jump? #eltchat
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cioccas
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2:03 PM
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Finding the #ELTchat live stream distracting, but an interesting experiment :-)
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lolonagi
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2:03 PM
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the problem is Ss feel the jump bet. grammar and the rest of topics in class #eltchat
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dreadnought001
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2:03 PM
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@rliberni well, we might not be able to ignore it, but we can do a good job of hiding it :-) #eltchat
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cherrymp
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2:03 PM
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RT @dreadnought001: @jefflebow how is the Skype chat similar/different to the Twitter stream? #eltchat yeah even i'd d same doubt
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fabiancleme
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2:03 PM
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RT @TheConsultantsE: Keynote Video Recording: Litttle Tech for Big Results by @barsaka http://bit.ly/m24Yxm #edtech #elemchat #eltchat #ellchat #kinderchat
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cioccas
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2:04 PM
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RT @barbsaka: @cioccas It is a bit challenging to listen and type :-) #ELTchat >YES!
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lolonagi
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2:04 PM
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@barbsaka coz I do feel when I move from a conversation to certain topic, did u try american headway.... #eltchat baddddddd
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cherrymp
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2:04 PM
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@rliberni d challenge is to present it interestingly - students find it boring #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:04 PM
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RT @barbsaka: @cioccas It is a bit challenging to listen and type :-) #ELTchat Agreed
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barbsaka
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2:04 PM
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@rliberni Tell us why grammar is wonderful and exciting! :-) #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:04 PM
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RT @dreadnought001: @rliberni well, we might not be able to ignore it, but we can do a good job of hiding it :-) #eltchat ] agree
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teflerinha
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2:04 PM
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RT @lolonagi: the problem is Ss feel the jump bet. grammar & the rest of topics #eltchat tru -the key is 2 make them C the real need 4 it.
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cioccas
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2:04 PM
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@lolonagi I find it easier to address grammar within other topics, so no jump #ELTchat
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rliberni
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2:04 PM
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@dreadnought001 @lolonagi why? Grammar is wonderful and exciting! #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:04 PM
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@cioccas It is a bit challenging to listen and type :-) #ELTchat
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rliberni
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2:05 PM
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@barbsaka I do actually LOVE grammar I find the differences in systems between languages really fascinating #eltchat
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cioccas
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2:05 PM
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@LizziePinard http://bit.ly/jGPF6B - Ustream link for #ELTchat
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sandymillin
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2:05 PM
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For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat on presenting grammar
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lolonagi
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2:05 PM
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@teflerinha but still.... how can we teach grammar.... #eltchat
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teflgeek
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2:05 PM
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#eltchat - new grammar - mostly presented through the medium of cartoon stick men and convoluted timelines
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BobK99
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2:05 PM
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RT @rliberni: @dreadnought001 @lolonagi why? Grammar is wonderful and exciting! #eltchat! Agreed, but how to sell that belief?
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pjgallantry
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2:05 PM
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#eltchat so who's going to kick off?
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:05 PM
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@rliberni Really? wonderful and exciting? skeptic on this side #eltchat
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teflgeek
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2:06 PM
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@Shaunwilden #eltchat - an inductive emergent process?
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cioccas
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2:06 PM
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@Shaunwilden @barbsaka It is a bit challenging to listen and type AND WATCH! :-) #ELTchat
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rliberni
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2:06 PM
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I've been helping my daughter with her Greek & Latin and now she's hooked too! #eltchat
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cherrymp
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2:06 PM
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@teflerinha yeah - bt think of the classrooms - where it's presented gen as content #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:06 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: I love teaching grammar - well letting the sts discover how to use grammar #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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2:06 PM
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#eltchat many students feel that if they understand the grammar, they have mastered the language, so just want 'grammar' lessons.
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dstreack
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2:06 PM
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@rliberni #eltchat Both love it and hate it - love the mechanics/logic of it (Spanish) but hate that I feel it's stifling sometimes
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barbsaka
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2:06 PM
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Perhaps if the grammar is pulled from the lesson and focused on as mini-lesson, less of a jump? #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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2:07 PM
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#eltchat do you feel many of the 'conventions' of teaching grammar are just hangovers from how Latin and Greek were taught?
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rliberni
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2:07 PM
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@BobK99 I feel that it's one of those myths like maths - this stuff is yawn, yawn - I never have any problems with ss & grammar #eltchat
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:07 PM
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Do we really TEACH grammar? I think we expose our students to it, meet their expectations and hope little damage is done. #eltchat
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lolonagi
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2:07 PM
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RT @barbsaka: Do you present grammar and then expand? Or, present in context and then extract? #eltchat
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miladakrajewska
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2:07 PM
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For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat on presenting grammar
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cioccas
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2:07 PM
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RT @rliberni: @barbsaka I do actually LOVE grammar I find the differences in systems between languages really fascinating #eltchat >Me too!
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barbsaka
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2:07 PM
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Do you present grammar and then expand? Or, present in context and then extract? #eltchat
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lolonagi
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2:07 PM
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I google when I teach old and new topics " how to teach....." #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:08 PM
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@rliberni wasn't really a big fan of grammar at school til German teacher made me love it. building blocks that help u do everythng #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:08 PM
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@pjgallantry What do you mean by conventions? #eltchat
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patjack67
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2:08 PM
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#eltchat Should grammar be taught in nuggets AND in context (of fries?)
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Shaunwilden
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2:08 PM
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RT @teflgeek: @Shaunwilden #eltchat sort of
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lolonagi
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2:08 PM
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@barbsaka present context and then extract.... #eltchat
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cioccas
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2:08 PM
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@barbsaka ... present in context and then extract #eltchat
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cherrymp
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2:09 PM
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multitasking #eltchat
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miladakrajewska
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2:09 PM
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RT @barbsaka: Do you present grammar and then expand?Or, present in context and then extract? #eltchat > The latter gives memorable context.
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lolonagi
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2:09 PM
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@barbsaka may be that's part of the issue #eltchat....
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Shaunwilden
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2:09 PM
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@patjack67 Arhh grammar mcnuggets #eltchat
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FarnhamCastle
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2:09 PM
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@rliberni Lang is for communication, grmr helps understanding, but not essential. Message more important #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:09 PM
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Most seem to present in context and then pull out. Context reinforces meaning, so that's good :-) #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:09 PM
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@rliberni @BobK99 do you think maybe teachers perceptions of grammar stem from how they were taught it at school? not a fan myself #ELTChat
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rliberni
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2:09 PM
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@pjgallantry to an extent yes as they were a base for all language learning - since the 70s though things have changed a lot #eltchat
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LizziePinard
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2:09 PM
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#eltchat ...anyone else having trouble loading the #eltchat suggestions for weds topic page?
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rliberni
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2:10 PM
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@esolcourses it's hardly taught at school today - I really loved it - like jigsaw puzzles & how other langs were put together #eltchat
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teflerinha
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2:10 PM
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RT @hartle: #eltchat Grammar is gr8t & w/out it we cnt say anything. its linguistic cement & students cn learn wht they need- agreed
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dreadnought001
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2:10 PM
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how explicit do you make grammar in class with your students? Do you introduce it with the terminology etc? #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:10 PM
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RT @barbsaka: Do you present grammar and then expand? Or, present in context and then extract? #eltchat ] I generally hide it in the mix...
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hartle
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2:10 PM
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#eltchat Grammar is gr8t and without it we can't say anything. It is linguistic cement and students can learn what they need
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lolonagi
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2:10 PM
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sometimes.... I piety Ss when I teach them grammar :S #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:10 PM
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Personally, I love me my grammar McNuggets. My students do, too :-) #eltchat
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brad5patterson
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2:10 PM
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When Sandy met Lizzie: my PLN interview with @LizziePinard http://wp.me/p18yiK-aO #eltchat #elt via @sandymillin
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snapanda
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2:10 PM
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When Sandy met Lizzie: my PLN interview with @LizziePinard http://wp.me/p18yiK-aO #eltchat #elt via @sandymillin
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sandymillin
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2:11 PM
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RT @barbsaka: Do you present grammar and then expand? Or, present in context and then extract? #eltchat <depends on grammar/students
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barbsaka
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2:11 PM
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@EHerrod Can you expand? #eltchat
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rliberni
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2:11 PM
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@FarnhamCastle i only agree to a point - grammar is a toolbox to help you create many more communications #eltchat
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EHerrod
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2:11 PM
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Hello everyone. I have quote ringing in my ears from IH London CELTA "There's no such thing as a grammar lesson" :) #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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2:11 PM
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#eltchat quite a few textbooks can't seem to make up their mind whether they're trying to do inductive or deductive grammar
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hartle
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2:11 PM
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#eltchat by linguistic cement i mean it holds it all together, lexis, discourse markers, pron. intonation everything.
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sandymillin
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2:11 PM
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RT @rliberni: @barbsaka I do actually LOVE grammar I find the differences in systems between languages really fascinating #eltchat
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:12 PM
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RT @EHerrod: I have quote ringing in my ears from IH London CELTA "There's no such thing as a grammar lesson" :) #eltchat
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hartle
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2:12 PM
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#eltchat there are as many approaches to teaching it as there are learners. you can adapt to their styles
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rliberni
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2:12 PM
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OK after last week & this - beginning to feel like the grumpy OLD ELT person ! #eltchat
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LizziePinard
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2:12 PM
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RT @sandymillin: RT @barbsaka: Do you present grammar and then expand? Or, present in context and then extract? #eltchat <depends on grammar/students
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LizziePinard
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2:12 PM
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RT @rliberni: @FarnhamCastle i only agree to a point - grammar is a toolbox to help you create many more communications #eltchat
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hartle
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2:12 PM
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@EHerrod #eltchat and there's no such thing as language without it
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teflerinha
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2:12 PM
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#eltchat #esol #elt Was asked a q this am in webinar abt use of subtitles when listening. Anyone know any research on this? Pls retweet
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FarnhamCastle
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2:13 PM
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@rliberni #eltchat I only mean that if the message is understood, grammar secondary
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LizziePinard
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2:13 PM
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RT @Thamesville: Grammar and Vocabulary can often be greatly improved through reading. #ELTchat
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lolonagi
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2:13 PM
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RT @Thamesville: Grammar and Vocabulary can often be greatly improved through reading. #ELTchat
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barbsaka
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2:13 PM
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If your students LOVE your "grammar" lessons, please share your approach with us. What do you do to present new grammar? #eltchat
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teflgeek
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2:13 PM
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Aren't most grammar presentations based around what we're expected to cover either from the book or the syllabus? #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:13 PM
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RT @hartle: #eltchat Grammar is gr8t and without it we can't say anything. It is linguistic cement and students can learn what they need
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Thamesville
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2:13 PM
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Grammar and Vocabulary can often be greatly improved through reading. #ELTchat
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pjgallantry
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2:13 PM
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#eltchat I think you should try and extract grammar rather than present it, but it does also depend on ss requirements
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dreadnought001
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2:13 PM
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@EHerrod I kind of agree, I tend to think of lessons in terms of skills which have elements of grammar/vocab/pron within it. #eltchat
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hartle
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2:13 PM
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#eltchat I like the idea of emergent language. Grammar stds need to say or write or understand what they need to
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barbsaka
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2:13 PM
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I see two kinds of grammar here. The "latin" roots and tools (the one we label) and the structure underlying everything we say #eltchat
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europeaantje
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2:13 PM
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could only just reach the button to RT this: "What a planker!" http://bit.ly/daFXWQ by @TeresaBestwick #eltchat #tesol
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Shaunwilden
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2:14 PM
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I think L1 also influences sts perceptions of how grammar should be learnt #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:14 PM
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RT @lolonagi: @barbsaka when I prepare well for grammar, they love it... songs, ppts, competitions, games #eltchat
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EHerrod
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2:14 PM
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RT @barbsaka: Can you expand? -of course. Focus was on Ss noticing language patterns, not "today I'm going to teach the pres perf" #eltchat
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lolonagi
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2:14 PM
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@barbsaka when I prepare well for grammar, they love it... songs, ppts, competitions, games #eltchat
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marekandrews
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2:14 PM
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developing ss interest in grammar is developing ss lang awareness, good to get ss to NOTICE relationships btw words. #eltchat
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hartle
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2:14 PM
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RT @teflgeek: Aren't most grammar presentations based around what we're expected ... #eltchat not entirely. Learners important too
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rliberni
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2:14 PM
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@pjgallantry where a student's own grammatical system is very different this can be difficult I think it's ok to present/teach it #eltchat
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dstreack
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2:14 PM
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@rliberni I agree - there is logic to the process - those left-brnd get it easily, it's the right-brnrs that need "creative" tchng #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:14 PM
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@cherrymp You came in we heard you #eltchat
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hale27storm
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2:14 PM
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#ELTchat Grammar is HUGE at my school-taught in isolation. I teach in context to writing.
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sandymillin
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2:14 PM
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RT @EHerrod: Hello everyone. I have quote ringing in my ears from IH London CELTA "There's no such thing as a grammar lesson" :) #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:14 PM
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RT @teflgeek: Aren't most grammar presentations based around what we're expected to cover either from the book or the syllabus? #eltchat
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cherrymp
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2:14 PM
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guess i'd stay here #eltchat - not being able to be to be at both places
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LizziePinard
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2:14 PM
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RT @teflgeek: Aren't most grammar presentations based around what we're expected to cover either from the book or the syllabus? #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:14 PM
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@dreadnought001 depends on SS - some appreciate explicit grammar teaching, others don't #eltchat
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cioccas
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2:14 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: Last chance to add a topic for this weeks #eltchat http://bit.ly/iAGYFw
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LizziePinard
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2:15 PM
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RT @marekandrews: developing ss interest in grammar is developing ss lang awareness, good to get ss to NOTICE relationships btw words. #eltchat
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teflerinha
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2:15 PM
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#eltchat couple of people mentioned 'noticing' think this is key
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:15 PM
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A big problem for me is sts think learning the grammar is learning the language and don't try to use it to communicate #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:15 PM
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RT @marekandrews: developing ss interest in grammar is developing ss lang awareness, good to get ss to NOTICE relationships btw words. #eltchat
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rliberni
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2:15 PM
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So how do we deal with it in the classroom? #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:15 PM
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@rliberni I was the opposite... loved language learning, but found grammar a bit ploddy & picked up rules from exposure to lang. #ELTCHAT
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barbsaka
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2:15 PM
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@EHerrod Seems to me that's still teaching grammar, just not calling it by that name :) #eltchat
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rliberni
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2:15 PM
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@BobK99 I agree I think it is fundamental to language #eltchat
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patjack67
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2:15 PM
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#eltchat Show YLs how grammar 'tools'/goujons help to build sentences, always start in context and bring it back to fluent personal use.
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cioccas
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2:15 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: I think L1 also influences sts perceptions of how grammar should be learnt #eltchat < Agree!
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pjgallantry
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2:15 PM
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#eltchat a lot of what we think of as inductive grammar is in fact pattern recognition
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hartle
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2:15 PM
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RT @barbsaka: RT @lolonagi: @barbsaka when I prepare well for grammar, they love it... songs, ppts, competitions, games #eltchat
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lolonagi
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2:16 PM
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so what do u use when u prepare for a grammar lesson... what's your tool kit #eltchat
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:16 PM
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@rliberni I try to meet my sts expectations and go from there, inductive or deductively #eltchat
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LizziePinard
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2:16 PM
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RT @sandymillin: RT @Shaunwilden: I think L1 also influences sts perceptions of how grammar should be learnt #eltchat <definitely + previous experiences
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rliberni
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2:16 PM
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@esolcourses I think a true understanding of grammar only comes after you are reasonably competent (like musical notation) #eltchat
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EHerrod
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2:16 PM
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@barbsaka grammar still is taught but it's not a 'grammar lesson' as such. Grammar emerged from the TBL framework we worked with #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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2:16 PM
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A whole bunch of problems arise in teaching English due to the imposition of Latin based grammar rules on it. #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:16 PM
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RT @OUPELTGlobal A big prob. for me is sts think learning the grammar is learning the language & don't try to use it to communicate #eltchat
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cherrymp
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2:16 PM
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RT @OUPELTGlobal: A big problem for me is sts think learning the grammar is learning the language >agree #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:16 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: I think L1 also influences sts perceptions of how grammar should be learnt #eltchat <definitely + previous experiences
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Shaunwilden
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2:16 PM
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@barbsaka @EHerrod haha , this is very true #eltchat
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hartle
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2:16 PM
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RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat a lot of what we think ....recognition and production are also 2 different matters
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dstreack
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2:17 PM
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@barbsaka I have all kinds of online sites w/ exercises for practice - sometimes conjugating verbs, sometimes using words in lang #eltchat
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hartle
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2:17 PM
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#eltchat also depends on level. approaches change at higher levels
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cherrymp
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2:17 PM
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listening to the livestream too #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:17 PM
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RT @teflerinha: #eltchat couple of people mentioned 'noticing' think this is key - noticing and then taking control of lang so they 'own'
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marekandrews
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2:17 PM
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RT @teflerinha #eltchat couple of people mentioned 'noticing' think this is key > +encourage ss to explore how language works
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barbsaka
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2:17 PM
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Ideas to volunteer? RT @lolonagi: so what do u use when u prepare for a grammar lesson... what's your tool kit #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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2:17 PM
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#eltchat in fact, I find students cabn be quite good at 'spotting' the pattern, esp in isolated examples, but find it difficult to produce
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cherrymp
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2:17 PM
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@rliberni that's a good pt - frm own exp i can tell u that #eltchat
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dstreack
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2:17 PM
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@rliberni So which way do you teach - top down or bottom up? #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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2:17 PM
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Don't they? #eltchat (to qualify last tweet as a Q not a fact)
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cherrymp
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2:17 PM
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#jalt 2010 plenaries http://tinyurl.com/5wubumc #eltchat #elt #esl #efl #tefl #tesl
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mubeenfk
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2:17 PM
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RT @irishmikeh: @mubeenfk @Marisa_C re: next steps for DELTA qualified: How about specialisation (ESP, Business English, etc.) or writing? #ELTchat
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marekandrews
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2:18 PM
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e.g. get ss to explore diff btw are you coming? + you are coming, aren't you? #eltchat
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cherrymp
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2:18 PM
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how much of grammar the students need is sth that the teacher has to decide #eltchat
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miladakrajewska
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2:18 PM
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RT @lolonagi: so what's your tool kit #eltchat > a good fun story 2 let sts experience grammar in context
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rliberni
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2:18 PM
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RT @hartle: RT @harrisonmike: @lolonagi I use the sts wherever and whenever I can #eltchat me too ;-)
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barbsaka
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2:18 PM
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@dstreack Please feel free to share site links, either during or after the chat, but with this hashtag, so we can add resources #eltchat
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hartle
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2:18 PM
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RT @harrisonmike: @lolonagi I use the sts wherever and whenever I can #eltchat me too ;-)
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teflerinha
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2:18 PM
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@lolnagi #eltchat I lk Thornbury & Slade's instruction- exposure-practice triangle (any order) as the ingredients.
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rliberni
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2:18 PM
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@dstreack I tend to have a grammatical approach but start with a context/function or notion that will illustrate and practise this #eltchat
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BobK99
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2:18 PM
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RT @teflerinha: #eltchat couple of people mentioned 'noticing' think this is key! Yup - 'Here's the lang, where's the pattern?'
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harrisonmike
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2:18 PM
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@lolonagi I use the sts wherever and whenever I can #eltchat
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cherrymp
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2:18 PM
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@barbsaka grammar has to be immediate and relevant to the student's context #eltchat
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hartle
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2:18 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: RT @teflerinha: #eltchat couple of people mentioned 'noticing' think this is key - noticing and then taking control of lang so they 'own'
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:18 PM
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@lolonagi Grammar can be presented in a variety of ways, an outright exercise, a series of examples, within a dialogue or text #eltchat
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chucksandy
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2:18 PM
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RT @teflerinha: #eltchat #esol #elt Was asked a q this am in webinar abt use of subtitles when listening. Anyone know any research on this? Pls retweet
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barbsaka
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2:19 PM
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@dstreack thanks! #eltchat
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lolonagi
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2:19 PM
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http://bit.ly/1dUS4T a good website for resources #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:19 PM
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@Shaunwilden what's the link for the livestream again? #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:19 PM
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@esolcourses Agreed Sue, grammar is incidental :-) #eltchat
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rliberni
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2:19 PM
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RT @sandymillin: 2 ideas for teaching articles from my blog 1. http://wp.me/p18yiK-5K (inspired by @cerirhiannon) 2. http://wp.me/p18yiK-ay #eltchat
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dstreack
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2:19 PM
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Mine will be for Spanish - www.studyspanish.com #eltchat
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rliberni
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2:19 PM
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@esolcourses I'm wondering if the esol/efl training is also at play here? My efl training was v grammar based #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:19 PM
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2 ideas for teaching articles from my blog 1. http://wp.me/p18yiK-5K (inspired by @cerirhiannon) 2. http://wp.me/p18yiK-ay #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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2:19 PM
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#eltchat mentioned it here about passive grammar comprehension http://t.co/mUWTFgU
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cherrymp
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2:19 PM
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@miladakrajewska yeah grammar with a context #eltchat
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cioccas
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2:19 PM
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@Shaunwilden @teflerinha Agree noticing is key, but since Ss notice at different times, how best to help in a class? #ELTchat
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esolcourses
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2:19 PM
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I think if you put too much emphasis on grammar it can hinder fluency - s's worry about not getting it right & may hold back #ELTChat
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:19 PM
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My favourite is eliciting smthg form the sts that leads them to use the grammar - e.g last holiday for past #eltchat
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teflerinha
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2:19 PM
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RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat Agreed- that's what the presentation, or clarification is for.
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mubeenfk
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2:19 PM
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@irishmikeh @marisa_c #ELTchat or even dealing with special needs (autism, dyslexia and so on..)???
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dreadnought001
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2:20 PM
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important to discuss with Sts the function/role of grammar/why we learn it, why we won't only study grammar in class #eltchat
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dstreack
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2:20 PM
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I'll just keep adding: www.conjuguemos.com #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:20 PM
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@rliberni We can speak without grammar ,cant we? #eltchat
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rliberni
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2:20 PM
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@Shaunwilden for me though grammar is fundamental #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:20 PM
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link for the livestream http://bit.ly/iM4ykV #eltchat
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LizziePinard
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2:20 PM
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RT @sandymillin: 2 ideas for teaching articles from my blog 1. http://wp.me/p18yiK-5K (inspired by @cerirhiannon) 2. http://wp.me/p18yiK-ay #eltchat
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hartle
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2:20 PM
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#eltchat I sometimes give learners pre class reading to help them process it bfr class and experiment in class
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cherrymp
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2:20 PM
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@esolcourses yeah - esp true with fl learners #eltchat - accuracy at the cost of fluency
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chucksandy
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2:20 PM
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RT @teflerinha: I lk Thornbury & Slades instruction- exposure-practice triangle (any order) as the ingredients. < me too #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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2:21 PM
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@Shaunwilden @rliberni There's a lack of nuance tho. Communication doesn't need grammar, intricate meaning does. #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:21 PM
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With children, I think it's important to learn the language as chunks first, orally, before focusing on form #eltchat
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EHerrod
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2:21 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: @rliberni We can speak without grammar ,cant we? #eltchat => hallelujah :)
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lolonagi
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2:21 PM
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@Shaunwilden hummmm and a question natives do not use grammar, right #eltchat
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LizziePinard
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2:21 PM
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RT @dreadnought001: important to discuss with Sts the function/role of grammar/why we learn it, why we won't only study grammar in class #eltchat
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rliberni
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2:21 PM
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@harrisonmike (I'm ppp trained - there I've said it! It's like coming out! )But yes I elicit where possible #eltchat
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:21 PM
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@rliberni can you expand on that? #eltchat
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jefflebow
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2:21 PM
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#ELTChat - Live stream at http://eflbridges.net/eltchat
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JoHart
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2:21 PM
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Other TZa Post http://bit.ly/mpbru5 o'view & rec link Edublogs webinar - "e-learning jargon" #edtech #elearning #ELTchat #vanmeter
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dstreack
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2:22 PM
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The thing about teaching grammar is that in FL, college prof tests are 90% grammar - I've done the hw w/ them #eltchat
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:22 PM
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RT @rliberni: You can be PPP trained without liking grammar, can't you? #eltchat
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EHerrod
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2:22 PM
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@rliberni LOL! That was a big step, well done ;) #eltchat
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LizziePinard
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2:22 PM
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RT @barbsaka: With children, I think it's important to learn the language as chunks first, orally, before focusing on form #eltchat
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breathyvowel
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2:22 PM
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As a learner I love that grammar is encountered everywhere, you can use it that day. Vocab/functions not so much I find. #eltchat
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rliberni
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2:22 PM
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@harrisonmike agreed I guess my students all need complexity and a lot of accuracy #eltchat
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chucksandy
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2:22 PM
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for me grammar needs rise up out of tasks that have an outcome. What's the point of grammar learning w/out real need for use? #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:22 PM
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RT @barbsaka: @dstreack Please feel free to share site links, either during or after the chat, but with this hashtag, so we can add resources #eltchat
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marekandrews
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2:22 PM
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we need to instil a curiosity in ss to explore the way language works, all language +grammar is a big part of that #eltchat
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patjack67
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2:22 PM
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@dreadnought001 wouldn't like to have that discussion with 6 year-olds! #eltchat
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cherrymp
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2:22 PM
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#eltchat @Shaunwilden @rliberni i think v can - there're many parts where eng is used without a concern foέΑο (cont) http://deck.ly/~Y4tpf
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dstreack
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2:22 PM
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Really good one here: www.123teachme.com w/ native spkrs, audio, exercises, quizzes, mixed up sentences #eltchat
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hartle
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2:22 PM
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#eltchat with intermediate classes there is often a level mixture, so some areas new for some but consolidation for others.
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sandymillin
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2:22 PM
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@cerirhiannon & I wrote post about Cuisenaire rods in class including idea for phrasal verbs word order http://wp.me/p18yiK-5X #eltchat
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cioccas
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2:22 PM
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@teflerinha Thnks! It's those that aren't ready I worry about tho #ELTchat
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pjgallantry
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2:22 PM
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#eltchat students get very uptight about being grammatically 'accurate' - they need to be exposed to how native speakers abuse the lang!
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pjgallantry
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2:23 PM
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#eltchat yes - grammar without content/context meaningless (and vice-versa?)
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timjulian60
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2:23 PM
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So many grammar rules (eg use of future forms) are impossible to hold in mind when speaking - so grammar teaching only a 1st step #eltchat
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FarnhamCastle
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2:23 PM
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#eltchat When you transcribe real talk, noone speaks grammatically. but need to know grmr to decypher meaning from ungrammatical talk
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lolonagi
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2:23 PM
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@Shaunwilden heheheheh yes..... but I think second language learner are much good in it #eltchat
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dreadnought001
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2:23 PM
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@patjack67 no, fair point :-), but then not sure that six year olds have ingrained ideas of what language learning is!! #eltchat
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cherrymp
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2:23 PM
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@mattledding where can one see this? #eltchat
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hartle
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2:23 PM
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#eltchat it's also important not to be too accuracy obssessed: QUITE natural for many teachers when we hear something we think of as WRONG
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sandymillin
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2:23 PM
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@esolcourses but at same time, higher levels may need more emphasis on grammar as already fluent, but w/ lower accuracy (my exp.) #ELTChat
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barbsaka
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2:23 PM
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RT @cherrymp: reminded of wt one of the teachers say here 'no tense no sense' #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:23 PM
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RT @chucksandy: for me grammar needs rise up out of tasks that have an outcome. What's the point of grammar learning w/out real need for use? #eltchat
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rliberni
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2:23 PM
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@OUPELTGlobal not like yes, but it was the basis of the method #eltchat
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cherrymp
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2:23 PM
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reminded of wt one of the teachers say here 'no tense no sense' #eltchat
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lolonagi
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2:23 PM
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@OUPELTGlobal yes exactly.... #eltchat
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mattledding
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2:23 PM
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#eltchat has anyone seen Swan's grammar presentation? Demonstrates vocab w/o gramr with invented language. Brilliant!
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Shaunwilden
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2:23 PM
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@lolonagi if I go to a shop I dont need grammr to buy my food #eltchat
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:24 PM
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RT @rliberni: @harrisonmike it was very 70s, very IH and very RSA :-) I wdn't do it so rigorously now but it has it's uses #eltchat
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lu_bodeman
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2:24 PM
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Hi everyone, I just got here. Still time to join the #eltchat?
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miladakrajewska
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2:24 PM
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RT @marekandrews: @Shaunwilden @lolonagi you don't need any language to buy food these days...#eltchat
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cherrymp
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2:24 PM
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that's a good pt > accuracy at the cost of fluency #eltchat - opinions?
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dstreack
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2:24 PM
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My HS students seem to "need" to understand grammar so we spend a lot of time on it #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:24 PM
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Jamie Keddie's excellent lessonstream.org allows you to search for video-based lessons by language point http://bit.ly/kpXbeY #eltchat
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marekandrews
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2:24 PM
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@Shaunwilden @lolonagi you don't need any language to buy food these days...#eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:24 PM
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@harrisonmike Yes agreed, it needs the implied grammar #eltchat
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hartle
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2:24 PM
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#eltchat lexical grammar often largely ignored
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rliberni
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2:24 PM
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@harrisonmike it was very 70s, very IH and very RSA :-) I wouldn't do it so rigorously now but it has it's uses #eltchat
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rliberni
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2:25 PM
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@OUPELTGlobal sorry lost the thead - expand on what - how to present? #eltchat
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:25 PM
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Sorry gotta go listen to Guy Cook talking on translation. looking forward to reading the summary #eltchat
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teflgeek
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2:25 PM
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@cherrymp I see accuracy and fluency as a kind of DNA spiral - constantly interconnected and perpetually rising #eltchat
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LizziePinard
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2:25 PM
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RT @chucksandy: Not to be contrary but i'm against language banking e.g. learning a grammar point for no reason except it's next on the syllabus #eltchat
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cherrymp
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2:25 PM
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@chucksandy i agree - can't teach grammar for grammar's sake #eltchat
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hartle
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2:25 PM
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RT @FarnhamCastle: #eltchat When you transcribe real talk, people use comparatives to compare or we don't understand etc. this is key.
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chucksandy
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2:25 PM
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RT @lu_bodeman: great to see you! welcome ^^ #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:25 PM
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@sandymillin you're probably right, although there are lots of different ways of going about it. #ELTChat
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sandymillin
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2:25 PM
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Another good site is http://moviesegmentstoassessgrammargoals.blogspot.com/ #eltchat <used 4 reported speech w/ teens<they loved it
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rliberni
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2:25 PM
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@esolcourses I did my degree in English too and grammar was a key subject (didn't like or understand until I started teaching) #eltchat
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cherrymp
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2:25 PM
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@lu_bodeman u r never late for an #eltchat
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chucksandy
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2:25 PM
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Not to be contrary but i'm against language banking e.g. learning a grammar point for no reason except it's next on the syllabus #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:25 PM
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@lu_bodeman Always happy to have you! #eltchat
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patjack67
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2:26 PM
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@chucksandy So you're against banking but surely not building? (Ireland's downfall) #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:26 PM
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Oxford Basics: Teaching Grammar by @jimscriv is nice simple book for teachers starting out http://amzn.to/mywSBb #eltchat<lots of ideas
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cioccas
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2:26 PM
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This site is useful for grammar presentation: Movie Segments to Assess (practice) Grammar Goals (points) http://bit.ly/ix4VBF #ELTchat
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lolonagi
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2:26 PM
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@cherrymp prescriptive grammar #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:26 PM
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Way we present new grammar seems to depend on our own experience learning it, our students' preferences, ages, and type of class #eltchat
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hartle
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2:26 PM
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RT @hartle: #eltchat what about lexis?
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EHerrod
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2:26 PM
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@marekandrews now that I agree with! #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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2:26 PM
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#eltchat @chucksandy yes, but unfortunately that's exactly how many lang courses and CBs are planned out!
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lu_bodeman
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2:26 PM
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RT@chucksandy for me grammar needs rise up out of tasks that have an outcome. >>> I feel the same way #eltchat
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miladakrajewska
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2:26 PM
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RT @esolcourses: RT @marekandrews we need to instil a curiosity in ss to explore the way language works, all language +grammar is a big part of that #eltchat
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cherrymp
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2:26 PM
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prescriptive grammar or descriptive grammar? #eltchat
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dstreack
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2:26 PM
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With HS, showing it to them in context first (intro a new topic) seems to be confusing for them #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:26 PM
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RT @marekandrews we need to instil a curiosity in ss to explore the way language works, all language +grammar is a big part of that #eltchat
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marekandrews
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2:26 PM
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you could argue that having a good grammar book is far more important than having a coursebook #eltchat
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aClilToClimb
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2:26 PM
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RT @teflerinha: #eltchat #esol #elt Was asked a q this am in webinar abt use of subtitles when listening. Anyone know any research on this? Pls retweet
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chucksandy
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2:26 PM
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Please have a look at my student @ysmcu 's new motivation blog & give an encouraging comment ^^ http://ysmcu.page4.me/ #eltchat #motivation
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lu_bodeman
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2:27 PM
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I find it senseless to present lessons based on the order of how grammar should be learnt. I question the order. #eltchat
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rliberni
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2:27 PM
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@cherrymp actually I fear this - I' can be a bit of a purist when it comes to lang - I want my students to b the best they can be! #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:27 PM
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RT @dreadnought001: important to discuss with Sts the function/role of grammar/why we learn it, why we won't only study grammar in class #eltchat
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cherrymp
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2:27 PM
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@teflgeek wow that's a cool thing u said - can imagine d helix - bt think of poor sl learners #eltchat
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marekandrews
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2:27 PM
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need to teach function of grammar alongside form, for far too long just form was taught. #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:27 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: @rliberni We can speak without grammar ,cant we? #eltchat <but only 2 a certain level - depends what u want 2 achieve
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teflerinha
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2:27 PM
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@marekandrews: having a good grammar book is far more important than having a coursebook #eltchat- Depends on how each is used
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teflgeek
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2:27 PM
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@cherrymp it ain't wot u say it's the way wot you says it... #eltchat
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lolonagi
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2:27 PM
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RT @cioccas: This site is useful for grammar presentation: Movie Segments to Assess (practice) Grammar Goals (points) http://bit.ly/ix4VBF #ELTchat
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miladakrajewska
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2:27 PM
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RT @sandymillin: Oxford Basics: Teaching Grammar by @jimscriv is nice simple book for teachers starting out http://amzn.to/mywSBb #eltchat<lots of ideas
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chucksandy
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2:27 PM
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RT @pjgallantry: yes, but unfortunately thats exactly how many lang courses and CBs are planned out! < what can we do about that? #eltchat
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dstreack
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2:27 PM
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HS sts want to know "why" they're doing something #eltchat
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lu_bodeman
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2:28 PM
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Grammar for me is a means to an end, not an end in itself. Unfortunately, DOS's don't always agree, or some T's. #eltchat
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lolonagi
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2:28 PM
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RT @chucksandy: i guess the question is: do students really learn grammar when we "teach" it in the traditional sense? I don't think most do. #eltchat
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hartle
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2:28 PM
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RT @lu_bodeman: I find it senseless to present lessons based on the order of how grammar should...I question the order. #eltchat I agree
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cherrymp
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2:28 PM
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@rliberni :-) that's a good ideal to aspire for - bt shud it b imposing? #eltchat
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chucksandy
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2:28 PM
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i guess the question is: do students really learn grammar when we "teach" it in the traditional sense? I don't think most do. #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:28 PM
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@lu_bodeman How do you think it should be taught? #eltchat
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marekandrews
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2:28 PM
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e.g diff between I have lost the book and the book has been lost, reasons for passivisation+not just form #eltchat
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rliberni
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2:28 PM
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@lu_bodeman what is the order? #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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2:28 PM
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#eltchat @chucksandy strangle the Publishers with the guts of the language school owners!
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cherrymp
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2:28 PM
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@teflgeek yeah the good old manner vs. matter debate #eltchat
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patjack67
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2:28 PM
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@marekandrews Isn't a good coursebook one that gets the blend right when it comes to grammar presentation? #eltchat
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teflerinha
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2:28 PM
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@chucksandy Agree- but reality is many teachers R forced 2 follow syllabus, so mayB ts need 2 try 2 make syllabs fit the ss needs? #eltchat
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lu_bodeman
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2:29 PM
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Ss worry so much abt getting the structure right (for exams) that they forget there is more to it than that. Who's at fault here? #eltchat
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marekandrews
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2:29 PM
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@patjack67 i think that's right but increasingly if we use texts relevant to ss a good pedagogical grammar might be all we need #eltchat
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cherrymp
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2:29 PM
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@mattledding that's a good thing - plz do #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:29 PM
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@chucksandy I think that some students will "get it" because it resonates for them. Others will find resonance later :-) #eltchat
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rliberni
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2:29 PM
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@pjgallantry hey steady on! Some of us do our best here Lol :-) #eltchat
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cherrymp
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2:29 PM
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@chucksandy that's true - bt d same holds with all that we teach rt? #eltchat
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mattledding
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2:29 PM
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#eltchat @cherrymp I saw it at a convention (apac) in barcelona. I have the notes and I can check to see if it's ok to post them.
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chucksandy
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2:29 PM
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RT @pjgallantry: better yet: just stop buying those books ^^ #eltchat
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teflgeek
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2:29 PM
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@cherrymp ref DNA: accuracy and fluency and mutually supportive aspects of the same spectrum (I reckon) #eltchat
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naomishema
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2:29 PM
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#eltchat Hi! sorry I'm late! lunch guests just left and ignored the clearing up to join the chat!
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pjgallantry
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2:29 PM
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#eltchat looks like we're headed towards ELT Unplugged Territory again!
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Shaunwilden
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2:29 PM
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@lu_bodeman Are you advocating the natural order? #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:29 PM
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@rliberni I'm not anti-grammar per-se, just prefer to deal with it as & when it comes up and focus on communicative stuff in class #ELTChat
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chucksandy
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2:29 PM
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What's love got to do with it? Please take 3 minutes to take my freshman Ss' simple survey. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/VBYVNBR #eltchat
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rliberni
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2:30 PM
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@hartle yes, this can be problem and it can also become a pre-occupation with some groups of learners #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:30 PM
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@jefflebow I think people are challenged to type and talk and listen and read at the same time. I am, anyway :-) #eltchat
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chucksandy
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2:30 PM
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RT @cherrymp: bt d same holds with all that we teach rt? > exactly. Just because you're teaching doesn't mean they're learning ^^ #eltchat
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patjack67
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2:30 PM
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@chucksandy @pjgallantry #eltchat There should be various strands of planning when a CB is mapped out.
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pjgallantry
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2:30 PM
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#eltchat well, let's look at the grammar WE'RE using in this chat - what can we say about it?
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hartle
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2:30 PM
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#eltchat my problem is often to get stds away from grammar. Thy learnt it at school and think that's all language is
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cherrymp
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2:30 PM
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what abt a grammar sense in sme students - a faculty to pick up grammar jst like that #eltchat
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rliberni
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2:30 PM
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@chucksandy I think it really depends what level and what language and what their own experience is #eltchat
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teflgeek
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2:30 PM
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@cherrymp ref DNA: accuracy and fluency are mutually supportive aspects of the same spectrum (I reckon) #eltchat
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dstreack
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2:30 PM
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What sms to work for me is lots of grammar Yr3, lots of read/write/speak/list Yr4 - no grammar unless ?s #eltchat
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rliberni
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2:30 PM
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RT @TheConsultantsE: Keynote Video Recording: Litttle Tech for Big Results by @barsaka http://bit.ly/m24Yxm #edtech #elemchat #eltchat #ellchat #kinderchat
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cherrymp
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2:30 PM
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IATEFL Scholarships http://tinyurl.com/6k3pk4x #eltchat #elt #esl #efl #tefl #tesl #td #pln
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cherrymp
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2:31 PM
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yeah @barbsaka digitally handicapped - feeling bad - keeping eye on eth - digital natives talking #eltchat
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hartle
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2:31 PM
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RT @barbsaka: @jefflebow I think people are challenged to type and... #eltchat me too. U miss a lot until U read summary l8ter :-)
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chucksandy
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2:31 PM
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RT @patjack67: @pjgallantry There should be various strands of planning when a CB is mapped out.< well there are, right? ^^ #eltchat
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rliberni
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2:31 PM
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So what do we do with it in class?#eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:31 PM
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LOL! RT @barbsaka: @jefflebow I think people are challenged to type and talk and listen and read at the same time. I am, anyway :-) #eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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2:31 PM
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RT @chucksandy 's last few tweets! Just dippin in between journeys but - what Chuck said!I agree #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:32 PM
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RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat well, let's look at the grammar WE'RE using in this chat - We were just discussinέΑο (cont) http://deck.ly/~fy7LJ
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chucksandy
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2:32 PM
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RT @lu_bodeman: But Im not against CourSe books. But to me, I get more out of them as SourCe books. :) < nice! #eltchat
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dstreack
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2:32 PM
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@rliberni I think we adjust based on our sts' needs or did you mean specific ways we use it? #eltchat
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patjack67
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2:32 PM
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@pjgallantry @chucksandy Them's fighting words, PJ. Don't see need to strangle either. There's a happy medium. #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:32 PM
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RT @FarnhamCastle: Grammar best learned (& taught) within communicative context, rather than as set of rules - mimicking way mother tongue is learned #eltchat
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BobK99
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2:32 PM
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RT @barbsaka: @jefflebow ... type and talk and listen and read at the same time. I am, anyway :-) #eltchat! Intersting idea, but imposs.!
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chucksandy
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2:32 PM
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RT @barbsaka: I think some SS will get it because it resonates for them. Others will find resonance later<I like the word resonate #eltchat
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hartle
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2:32 PM
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RT @rliberni: So what do we do with it in class?#eltchat teach it when stds need it along with all the rest
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marekandrews
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2:32 PM
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@chucksandy much explicit teaching of grammar is lost on ss and does not lead to learning #eltchat
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naomi_moir
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2:32 PM
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Looking forward to Guy Cook talk on translation - about to start. #oup #elt #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:32 PM
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Oh dear, @jefflebow just called me a "mature" user :-) #eltchat
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FarnhamCastle
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2:32 PM
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Grammar best learned (& taught) within communicative context, rather than as set of rules - mimicking way mother tongue is learned #eltchat
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lu_bodeman
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2:32 PM
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But I'm not against CourSe books. But to me, I get more out of them as SourCe books. :) #eltchat
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dreadnought001
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2:32 PM
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duz yr institution's view of grammar conflict w/ yours? In some places I worked, Ss had 'grammar lessons', which I found difficult #eltchat
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vickyloras
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2:32 PM
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RT @brad5patterson: PLN interviews updated... who's next ? So many gems yet to uncover ! http://ow.ly/5auhg #eltchat #edchat #esl #elt
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TheConsultantsE
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2:32 PM
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TED talks categorized by speaker, title, summary http://bit.ly/jztIxU via @texjorge #elearning #edtech #eltchat #edchat
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barbsaka
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2:33 PM
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@cherrymp see you later! #eltchat
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dstreack
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2:33 PM
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@FarnhamCastle I think this is true in early lrning - but as sts get more sophisticated, they want the "why"? #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:33 PM
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RT @chucksandy: RT @marekandrews: much explicit teaching of grammar is lost on ss & does not lead to learning > agree #eltchat
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cherrymp
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2:33 PM
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i feel bad to leave it here @jefflebow thanks for bringing a new dimension to #eltchat - bye e'1 - catch this later as summary :-)
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chucksandy
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2:33 PM
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RT @marekandrews: much explicit teaching of grammar is lost on ss & does not lead to learning > agree: I'd change much to most tho #eltchat
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BobK99
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2:33 PM
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@barbsaka: @jefflebow ... type and talk and listen and read at the same time. I am, anyway :-) #eltchat! Thesis, perhaps :)
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teflerinha
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2:33 PM
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#eltchat RT @lu_bodeman: But I'm not against CourSe books. But I get more out of them as SourCe books. :) #eltchat Agree !!- & I write them
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hartle
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2:33 PM
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RT @chucksandy: RT @lu_bodeman: But Im not against CourSe books. But to me, I get more out of them as SourCe books. :) < nice! #eltchat
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vickyloras
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2:33 PM
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RT @eOppimiskeskus Necessity & Promise of Online Learning| Powerful Learn.Practice http://bit.ly/m4e72H #seoppi #edtech #ELTChat #finnedchat
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fionamau
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2:33 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: 8 topics for you to choose from for this week's #eltchat, let voting commence http://bit.ly/jLFQp2
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vickyloras
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2:33 PM
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RT @cioccas: RT @Shaunwilden: Last chance to add a topic for this weeks #eltchat http://bit.ly/iAGYFw
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Shaunwilden
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2:33 PM
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8 topics for you to choose from for this week's #eltchat, let voting commence http://bit.ly/jLFQp2
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chucksandy
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2:34 PM
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RT @LukeMeddings: Just dippin in between journeys but - what Chuck said!I agree < that makes me feel better, Luke ^^ #eltchat
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hartle
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2:34 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat well, let's look at the grammar WE'RE using ... yes, but we use iέΑο (cont) http://deck.ly/~I2zVy
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cioccas
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2:34 PM
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@jefflebow @Shaunwilden Enjoying the audio stream, but can't give complete focus to both at same time :-) #ELTchat
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FarnhamCastle
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2:34 PM
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@dstreack True but the why can be deduced, rather than taught, and rules can inhibit fluency #eltchat
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naomishema
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2:34 PM
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#eltchat i find that some SS always want clear unambigous rules for dealing with the language and grammar is the only place they find it!
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Shaunwilden
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2:34 PM
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@lu_bodeman Agreed, but the natural order doesn't necessarily work either #eltchat
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Castellano3CAS
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2:34 PM
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ήΒζήΒΗήΒπήΒβήΒφήΑΓ RT: @barbsaka: With children, I think it's important to learn the language as chunks first, orally, before focusing on form #eltchat
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teflerinha
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2:34 PM
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#eltchat @pjgallantry Think approp grammar for discourse type is being used very subtly- to get message across w/out offending anyone!
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CeciELT
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2:34 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: 8 topics for you to choose from for this week's #eltchat, let voting commence http://bit.ly/jLFQp2 > Aye aye sir!
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dstreack
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2:35 PM
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@FarnhamCastle True enough - I guess it depends on students then - lrning styles, needs, etc. #eltchat
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hartle
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2:35 PM
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#eltchat still think we shd be thinking in terms of lexicogrammar rather than grammar. The tow are inseparable
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barbsaka
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2:35 PM
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Open invitation from @jefflebow to chat on skype about #ELTchat grammar topic, if anyone is interested after we finish here
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FarnhamCastle
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2:35 PM
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@naomishema but grammar is not "unambiguous" and clear. Merely a convention of acceptable forms #eltchat
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claire_hart
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2:35 PM
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RT @teflerinha: #eltchat RT @lu_bodeman: But I'm not against CourSe books. But I get more out of them as SourCe books. :) #eltchat Agree !!- & I write them
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T4lK2PaM
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2:35 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: 8 topics for you to choose from for this week's #eltchat, let voting commence http://bit.ly/jLFQp2
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bamarcia
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2:36 PM
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RT @sandymillin @cheimi10's excellent lessonstream.org :search for video-based lessons by language point http://bit.ly/kpXbeY #eltchat
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marekandrews
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2:36 PM
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mostly a waste of time trying to "teach" the past perfect #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:36 PM
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RT @EHerrod: May I throw a scenario out there? Ss asks for lesson on past perfect (I teach 1:1) What do YOU do? #eltchat <teach it!
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hartle
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2:36 PM
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RT @marekandrews: "if you learn about 20% of the grammar you will get 80% ...#eltchat U hv to get right 20% tho
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FarnhamCastle
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2:36 PM
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@naomishema Maths formulae don't have exceptions, cannot be ignored or amended to context #eltchat
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chucksandy
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2:36 PM
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RT @FarnhamCastle: @naomishema but grammar is not "unambiguous" and clear. Merely a convention of acceptable forms < nicely said. #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:36 PM
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RT @marekandrews: "if you learn about 20% of the grammar you will get 80% spoken ability" Pareto principle :) #eltchat
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EHerrod
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2:36 PM
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May I throw a scenario out there? Ss asks for lesson on past perfect (I teach 1:1) What do YOU do? #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:36 PM
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@hartle Can you give an example how you'd use lexicogrammar? #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:36 PM
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RT @marekandrews: "if you learn about 20% of the grammar you will get 80% spoken ability" Pareto principle :) #eltchat
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breathyvowel
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2:36 PM
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RT @rliberni: So what do we do with it in class?#eltchat
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naomishema
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2:36 PM
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@FarnhamCastle #eltchat SS DO see it as clearer because it has formulas like math which you place info in!
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marekandrews
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2:36 PM
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if you learn about 20% of the grammar you will get 80% spoken ability Pareto principle :) #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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2:36 PM
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#eltchat no such thing as unambiguous language rules! they can always be bent, if not have their heads ripped right off.....
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ipodsibilities
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2:36 PM
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RT @TheConsultantsE: TED talks categorized by speaker, title, summary http://bit.ly/jztIxU via @texjorge #elearning #edtech #eltchat #edchat
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harrisonmike
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2:36 PM
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#eltchat teetered - Your help appreciated. 1 question poll for #IATEFL members and conference delegates http://t.co/QJLWbol
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brad5patterson
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2:37 PM
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RT @Castellano3CAS: ήΒζήΒΗήΒπήΒβήΒφήΑΓ RT: @barbsaka: With children, I think it's important to learn the language as chunks first, orally, before focusing on form #eltchat
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marekandrews
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2:37 PM
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@hartle yeah and getting the right 20% is part of the art of teaching #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:37 PM
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RT @EHerrod: May I throw a scenario out there? Ss asks for lesson on past perfect (I teach 1:1) What do YOU do? #eltchat
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rliberni
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2:37 PM
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my tweetdeck playing up. #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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2:37 PM
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#eltchat, as to Twitter affecting language/grammar, this is good example of *context* affecting style/register of discourse
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lu_bodeman
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2:37 PM
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BRB #eltchat
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dstreack
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2:37 PM
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@EHerrod If they know it by name, they already know how to form it - I would give real lang examples, paragraphs, etc. #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:37 PM
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RT @EHerrod: May I throw a scenario out there? Ss asks for lesson on past perfect (I teach 1:1) What do YOU do? #eltchat
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cioccas
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2:37 PM
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@teflerinha I've been teaching a few Ss one-to-one who are getting left behind in class with grammar & feel they'll never catch up #ELTchat
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LizziePinard
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2:37 PM
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RT @dstreack: @FarnhamCastle I think this is true in early lrning - but as sts get more sophisticated, they want the "why"? #eltchat
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rliberni
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2:37 PM
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Given a range of learning styles, need, language experience, native language etc.. people find diff ways to learn & remember #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:37 PM
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@EHerrod Find a context for past perfect, and then focus on form :) #eltchat
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vickysaumell
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2:37 PM
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RT @marekandrews: "if you learn about 20% of the grammar you will get 80% spoken ability" Pareto principle :) #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:37 PM
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RT @marekandrews: mostly a waste of time trying to "teach" the past perfect #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:37 PM
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RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat teetered - Your help appreciated. 1 question poll for #IATEFL members and conference delegates http://t.co/QJLWbol
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brad5patterson
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2:38 PM
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wow... #eltchat is really early in the morning when you're in the US ! Howdy all. Glad I've stumbled in late. Looks interesting :)
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chucksandy
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2:38 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden RT @marekandrews: mostly a waste of time trying to "teach" the past perfect< can't recall the last time I used it #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:38 PM
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RT @hartle: #eltchat my problem is often to get stds away from grammar. Thy learnt it at school and think that's all language is
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FarnhamCastle
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2:38 PM
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RT @barbsaka: @EHerrod Find a context for past perfect, and then focus on form :) #eltchat <-context is king
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naomishema
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2:38 PM
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#eltchat@FarnhamCastle So true, but many SS find grammar less ambigous hence clearer compared to vocab items with so many meanings!
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miladakrajewska
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2:38 PM
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RT @bamarcia: RT @sandymillin @cheimi10's excellent lessonstream.org :search for video-based lessons by language point http://bit.ly/kpXbeY #eltchat
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vickysaumell
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2:38 PM
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@EHerrod #eltchat Re: past perfect: Bring in a timeline of events and ask students to include two in the same sentence
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breathyvowel
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2:38 PM
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RT @rliberni: my tweetdeck playing up. #eltchat Mine too. (Testing 1..2..3..)
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hartle
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2:39 PM
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RT @bamarcia: RT: @barbsaka: With children, I think it's important to learn the language as chunks ...#eltchat >agree! Adults too at times
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FarnhamCastle
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2:39 PM
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@hartle Those writing exams should be more aware too of communicating a meaning, rather than a form #eltchat
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vickysaumell
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2:39 PM
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@EHerrod #eltchat Re: past perfect: If they can't relate the events, teach it
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JonSenior1
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2:39 PM
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@brad5patterson how was your flight mate? #eltchat
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hartle
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2:39 PM
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#eltchat the question of beliefs is important tho. Learners think they need all this grammar for exams etc. and forget abt lexis.
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bamarcia
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2:39 PM
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RT: @barbsaka: With children, I think it's important to learn the language as chunks first, orally, before focusing on form #eltchat >agree!
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LizziePinard
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2:40 PM
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#eltchat what about exams that focus largely on grammar? Here SS get a 100 question (most mutlichoice, most about grammar) paper @ level end
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lu_bodeman
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2:40 PM
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RT @chucksandy @Shaunwilden RT @marekandrews: trying to "teach" the past perfect >maybe thru situations that went wrong? #eltchat
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breathyvowel
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2:40 PM
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RT @miladakrajewska: Important for me to show sts their 'grammar info gap' before/while presenting - motivation! #eltchat <YES!
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EHerrod
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2:40 PM
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@chucksandy @Shaunwilden @marekandrews agreed - this is one stubborn student. What's different tense each week. Gave in...#eltchat
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hartle
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2:40 PM
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RT @FarnhamCastle: @hartle Those writing exams should be more aware too of communicating a meaning, rather than... #eltchat Absolutely :-)
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miladakrajewska
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2:40 PM
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Important for me to show sts their 'grammar info gap' before/while presenting - motivation! #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:41 PM
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RT @barbsaka: Open invitation from @jefflebow to chat on skype about #ELTchat grammar topic, if anyone is interested after we finish here
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EHerrod
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2:41 PM
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RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat so, what do we do to present grammar in class, seeing as that's the topic? :) Exactly!
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rliberni
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2:41 PM
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@EHerrod @chucksandy @Shaunwilden @marekandrews I wld too if it helps then so be it if it doesn't then you have a diff convo w/them #eltchat
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miladakrajewska
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2:41 PM
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RT: @barbsaka: With children, I think it's important to learn the language as chunks ...#eltchat >Do U drill grammar chunks with adults?
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cioccas
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2:41 PM
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@hartle Yep, had a S once tell me she'd done ALL the exercises in 'Grammar in Use' so why couldn't she speak English! #ELTchat
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pjgallantry
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2:41 PM
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#eltchat so, what do we do to present grammar in class, seeing as that's the topic? :)
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naomishema
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2:41 PM
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#eltchat In lang. schools r your SS graded on whether they've included advanced structures such as past perfect into their essays? mine are
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marekandrews
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2:41 PM
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but getting ss to understand diff in meaning of she said it was great and Sue said it was great is worth it. #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:41 PM
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@jefflebow Share some of those great online resources for grammar, please :) #eltchat
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dreadnought001
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2:42 PM
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Past perfect useful for reasons 'became an ESL teacher cos I'd lost my job' :-) #eltchat
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vickysaumell
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2:42 PM
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@EHerrod @pjgallantry: #eltchat presenting grammar in class: I like Guided discovery
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EHerrod
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2:42 PM
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@teflerinha yes indeed - totally agree with you. :) #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:42 PM
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@EHerrod I would set them some reading homework on the past perfect, and then aim to practise using it during the next lesson :-) #ELTChat
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barbsaka
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2:42 PM
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@miladakrajewska With adults, I pull out mini-lessons based on frequent errors :) #eltchat
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teflerinha
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2:42 PM
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@EHerrod Think it gives some stds a sense of control/progress to work through grammar- fine but embed in skills/vocab/tasks too? #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:43 PM
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@Shaunwilden Without this framework SS can get very lost. I start telling them from high-int upwards that there are variants #eltchat
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vickysaumell
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2:43 PM
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@chucksandy @Shaunwilden R@marekandrews: mostly a waste of time trying to "teach" the past perfect< good for storytelling though #eltchat
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hartle
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2:43 PM
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#eltchat onestopenglish a gr8t site for resources http://bit.ly/cZfvhn and skills based grammar work http://bit.ly/cHC5pi
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sandymillin
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2:43 PM
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@Shaunwilden The problem with not teaching SS any rules based on what u hear 'on the street' in the UK, is u need a framework #eltchat
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EHerrod
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2:43 PM
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RT @vickysaumell: @EHerrod @pjgallantry: #eltchat presenting grammar in class: I like Guided discovery - nice phrase!
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mattledding
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2:43 PM
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I tweeted an ungrammatical sentence for #ELTChat and it didn't get posted. Too chatbot like?
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barbsaka
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2:43 PM
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My YLs don't know any grammar terms until they're writing a lot, but all work on accuracy, e.g., grammar #eltchat
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marekandrews
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2:43 PM
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http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Grammar-Scott-Thornbury/dp/0194386244 gr8 book #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:43 PM
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RT @barbsaka: @miladakrajewska With adults, I pull out mini-lessons based on frequent errors :) #eltchat ] same here #ELTchat
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FarnhamCastle
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2:43 PM
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RT @dreadnought001: Past perfect useful for reasons 'became an ESL teacher cos I'd lost my job' :-) #eltchat
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elenakindyni
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2:43 PM
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RT @TheConsultantsE: TED talks categorized by speaker, title, summary http://bit.ly/jztIxU via @texjorge #elearning #edtech #eltchat #edchat
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hartle
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2:44 PM
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#eltchat techniques I use depending on level: guided discovery, text based, contrastive analysis, consolidation frm error analysis
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teflerinha
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2:44 PM
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#eltchat @vickysaumell yes, sometimes past perfect rlly important 4 making sequence clear- oftn wildly overused in practice activities tho!
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mattledding
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2:44 PM
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No. forgot t in #eltchat Swan seen presentation grammar anyone brilliant use without vocabulary grammr ; )
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sandymillin
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2:44 PM
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My teaching metaphors post http://wp.me/p18yiK-8N with an my explanation of grammar for my students #eltchat
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dstreack
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2:44 PM
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@barbsaka Seems like we adjust based on our lrnrs - that seems natural/logical #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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2:44 PM
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#eltchat here's my EnglishUK 2007 presentation on Tenses and notion of distance http://t.co/IEd2bnW
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marekandrews
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2:44 PM
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scott's book concentrates on the grammar of 100 keywords, the way to go #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:44 PM
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Loving all this sharing of resources for grammar practice! #eltchat
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breathyvowel
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2:45 PM
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One thing I've been trying recently was letting SS decide metalanguage. Results incolnclusive so far though. #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:45 PM
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One YL class is creating a grammar game to help themselves become more accurate with number and verb agreement, and having fun! #eltchat
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marekandrews
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2:45 PM
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once taught a one year language development course+we discussed which coursebook to use+ended up buying Swan's PEU #eltchat
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babelannet
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2:45 PM
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RT @vickysaumell: RT @marekandrews: "if you learn about 20% of the grammar you will get 80% spoken ability" Pareto principle :) #eltchat
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rliberni
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2:45 PM
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OK this is hopeless - have to bow out will catch archive later #eltchat Thanks to mods - @shaunwilden @barbsaka
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chucksandy
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2:45 PM
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RT @vickysaumell: past perfect good for storytelling <good point So why not teach storytelling & past perfect takes care of itself #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:45 PM
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@Shaunwilden So what would you teach first if not present simple? how far into a beginners' book would you introduce grammar? #eltchat
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miladakrajewska
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2:45 PM
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Which do you use most often 2 set up context for grammar presentation: the board, visuals, written texts or spoken lang? #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:45 PM
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@vickysaumell @chucksandy @Shaunwilden from a talk by Mark Powell, IIRC - "80% of English uses past/present simple tense" #ELTChat
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naomishema
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2:45 PM
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RT @sandymillin: My teaching metaphors post http://wp.me/p18yiK-8N with an my explanation of grammar for my students #eltchat - USEFUL!
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esolcourses
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2:46 PM
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@sandymillin I aim to cover grammar structures s's need to know. For example, beginners often need to use past tense in daily lives #eltchat
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chucksandy
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2:46 PM
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RT @barbsaka: One YL class creating a grammar game to help themselves become more accurate w/ number & verb agreement & having fun! #eltchat
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EHerrod
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2:46 PM
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Scott and Lukes suggestion in TU - get Ss to look at grammar list in c/book if you have to work with one. What DON'T they know. #eltchat
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dstreack
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2:46 PM
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Jeopardylabs.com for creating jeopardy grammar games #eltchat
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vickysaumell
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2:46 PM
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RT @chucksandy: RT @vickysaumell: So why not teach storytelling & past perfect takes care of itself #eltchat > I do!
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hartle
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2:46 PM
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RT @sandymillin: @Shaunwilden So what would you teach first ... #eltchat follow the syllabus as a broad linέΑο (cont) http://deck.ly/~Mbprh
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LizziePinard
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2:46 PM
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RT @sandymillin: My teaching metaphors post http://wp.me/p18yiK-8N with an my explanation of grammar for my students #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:46 PM
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RT @miladakrajewska: RT: @barbsaka: Do U drill grammar chunks with adults? I do - drilling gives confidence before personalization #eltchat
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LizziePinard
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2:47 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: RT @miladakrajewska: RT: @barbsaka: Do U drill grammar chunks with adults? I do - drilling gives confidence before personalization #eltchat
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hartle
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2:47 PM
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RT @esolcourses: @sandymillin I aim to cover grammar structures s's need to know. For example, beginners often need to use past tense in daily lives #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:47 PM
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RT @dstreack: Jeopardylabs.com for creating jeopardy grammar games #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:47 PM
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@vickysaumell Comprehension of grammar might take care of itself, but doesn't always translate to accurate production #eltchat
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hartle
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2:47 PM
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RT @EHerrod: Scott and Lukes suggestion in TU - get Ss to look at grammar list in c/book if you have to work with one. What DON'T they know. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:48 PM
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Just observed a lesson with lots of metalanguage and T explanation - Class totally bemused and confused ... #ELTchat
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sandymillin
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2:48 PM
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RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat so, what do we do to present grammar in class, seeing as that's the topic? :)
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lolonagi
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2:48 PM
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sorry had a little snack #eltchat :D
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seburnt
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2:48 PM
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@EHerrod Ss often think they know a grammar point because they've seen/learnt it before. They're an unreliable source actually. #eltchat
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hartle
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2:48 PM
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#eltchat in any case all we cn do is point stds in the right direction, raise awareness and then help them to use language, whatever it is
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esolcourses
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2:48 PM
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RT @EHerrod: Scott and Lukes suggestion in TU - get Ss to look at grammar list in c/book if you have to work with one. What DON'T they know. #eltchat
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vickysaumell
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2:48 PM
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@chucksandy @barbsaka: Re grammar game #eltchat I do Project based learnign and one Y6 proj is creating games!
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Shaunwilden
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2:48 PM
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RT @marekandrews: personalised grammar great, drilling of structures relevant to ss lives gr8 #eltchat
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LizziePinard
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2:48 PM
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RT @EHerrod: Scott and Lukes suggestion in TU - get Ss to look at grammar list in c/book if you have to work with one. What DON'T they know. #eltchat
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naomishema
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2:48 PM
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#eltchat Mother tongue interference shows up a lot in grammar. No "perfects" in Hebrew and is hard for many SS to grasp the concept
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chucksandy
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2:48 PM
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RT @vickysaumell: I thought that might be the case ^^ Learning how to tell a story is a great task & brings up lots of grammar ^^ #eltchat
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marekandrews
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2:48 PM
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personalised grammar great, drilling of structures relevant to ss lives gr8 #eltchat
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chucksandy
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2:48 PM
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What's iTDi? It's PD by teachers for teachers. Launching this Sept. http://bit.ly/lydoAU #jalt #esl #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:49 PM
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RT @barbsaka: @Marisa_C So, less explanation and more doing :-) #ELTchat > and more working it out by the Ss> THEN lots of talk
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hartle
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2:49 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: JClass totally bemused and confused ... #ELTchat This is the danger. It has to be practical, clear, in context and necessary.
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FarnhamCastle
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2:49 PM
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RT @mattledding: #eltchat Swan focused on noticing grammar in the workshop and having us discover what was important in carrying meaning.
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mattledding
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2:49 PM
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#eltchat Swan focused on noticing grammar in the workshop and having us discover what was important in carrying meaning.
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EHerrod
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2:49 PM
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@seburnt hmm maybe yes. Perhaps depends on the Ss though. Mine seem very honest with themselves and say if they're not sure. #eltchat
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vickysaumell
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2:49 PM
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@chucksandy #eltchat Yes it does, we do digital storytelling. work on different strategies: descriptive lang, adding dialogues, etc
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Shaunwilden
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2:49 PM
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T explaining is never a good thing #eltchat
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seburnt
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2:49 PM
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#eltchat @EHerrod Ss often think they know a grammar point because they've seen/learnt it before. They're an unreliable source actually.
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barbsaka
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2:49 PM
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@Marisa_C So, less explanation and more doing :-) #ELTchat
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LizziePinard
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2:49 PM
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RT @seburnt: @EHerrod Ss often think they know a grammar point because they've seen/learnt it before. They're an unreliable source actually. #eltchat
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lolonagi
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2:49 PM
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RT @hartle: RT @lolonagi: sorry had a little snack #eltchat :D Me too :-) heheheheheh
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chucksandy
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2:49 PM
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RT @vickysaumell: @chucksandy @barbsaka: I do Project based learnign and one Y6 proj is creating games! > doing it w/ uni SS too #eltchat
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hartle
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2:49 PM
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RT @lolonagi: sorry had a little snack #eltchat :D Me too :-)
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pjgallantry
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2:50 PM
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#eltchat @Marisa_C yes - T should avoid metalanguage where possible - just adds another layer of stuff to be comprehended
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teflerinha
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2:50 PM
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@EHerrod #eltchat True, but they may think they know it, and actually have gaps/misunderstandings
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barbsaka
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2:50 PM
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Closing in on our last 10 minutes....anything we haven't touched on yet that you'd like to talk about? #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:50 PM
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@EHerrod Yes i just said to myself that never was a bad thing to say #eltchat
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marekandrews
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2:50 PM
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@esolcourses good to teach some past tense to beginners very early on #eltchat it is sadly often taught later
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juanalejandro26
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2:50 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: RT @barbsaka: @Marisa_C So, less explanation and more doing :-) #ELTchat > and more working it out by the Ss> THEN lots of talk
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vickysaumell
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2:50 PM
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@chucksandy #eltchat We seem to be soulmates in grammar teaching... LOL
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chucksandy
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2:50 PM
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RT @vickysaumell: we do digital storytelling. work on different strategies: descriptive lang, adding dialogues, etc < love it! #eltchat
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rliberni
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2:50 PM
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RT @cybraryman1: WedChats Part I: #ELTchat (2) #ClavEd #ntchat #ptchat #libchat #stdntchat #yalitchat : http://bit.ly/9bCqR
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miladakrajewska
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2:50 PM
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Smtms I provoke sts into making mistakes at the lesson onset (personalised chit chat), then use these errors 2 present new grammar. #eltchat
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rliberni
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2:50 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: RT @barbsaka: @Marisa_C So, less explanation and more doing :-) #ELTchat > and more working it out by the Ss> THEN lots of talk
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cybraryman1
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2:50 PM
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WedChats Part I: #ELTchat (2) #ClavEd #ntchat #ptchat #libchat #stdntchat #yalitchat : http://bit.ly/9bCqR
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lolonagi
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2:50 PM
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@vickysaumell do not understand the use of digital story telling #eltchat
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dstreack
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2:50 PM
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What is the ideal? Mix of both - explanation and usage? #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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2:50 PM
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#eltchat I've just realised why I couldn't see all the tweets in this debate - I was only being shown the top tweets! stupid machine....
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EHerrod
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2:50 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: T explaining is never a good thing #eltchat - perhaps it sometimes has it's place??
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CELT_Athens
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2:50 PM
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Voting is open for 8th June http://bit.ly/jtxgr6 #ELTchat
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DaveDodgson
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2:50 PM
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By @englishraven How to achieve the educator's big 'O' http://bit.ly/mSYBZu #ELTchat
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chucksandy
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2:51 PM
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RT @vickysaumell: @chucksandy #eltchat We seem to be soulmates in grammar teaching... LOL < wanna collaborate? ^^ share stories? #eltchat
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cioccas
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2:51 PM
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RT @seburnt: #eltchat @EHerrod ... students think they know it when asked. >Agree, I see the same!
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EHerrod
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2:51 PM
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RT @teflerinha: #eltchat. Yes, agreed. Perhaps a gd starting point though for prioritizing grammar points if necessary.
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hartle
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2:51 PM
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#eltchat student beliefs are important (and T beliefs) we only learn what we need ultimately.
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lolonagi
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2:51 PM
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@chucksandy any good online sites #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:51 PM
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I think sometimes teachers don't realize that grammar terms are not universal #eltchat
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cossie29
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2:51 PM
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RT @brad5patterson: PLN interviews updated... who's next ? So many gems yet to uncover ! http://ow.ly/5auhg #eltchat #edchat #esl #elt
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naomishema
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2:51 PM
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@barbsaka Mother tongue interference? #eltchat
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chucksandy
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2:51 PM
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RT @lolonagi: @vickysaumell do not understand the use of digital story telling > equals using some media to storyboard a story. #eltchat
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seburnt
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2:51 PM
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#eltchat @EHerrod I'm not convinced. Having practiced present perfect in one level, for example, students think they know it when asked.
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Marisa_C
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2:51 PM
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The second lesson I watched did not have grammar as a focus; but Ss made grammatically correct sentences AND communcated #ELTchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:51 PM
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RT @barbsaka: Closing in on our last 10 minutes....anything we haven't touched on yet that you'd like to talk about? #eltchat
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lolonagi
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2:52 PM
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@chucksandy great thanks a lot #eltchat
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juanalejandro26
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2:52 PM
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agree! RT @lu_bodeman: Comparative analysis of structures and concept questions work nicely. #eltchat
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naomishema
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2:52 PM
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@barbsaka #eltchat students find it harder with grammar tenses that don't exist in mother tongue especially perfects!
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hartle
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2:52 PM
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#eltchat. what stds believe they "know" cos they've studied it and what the "actually know" cn be poles apart
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chucksandy
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2:52 PM
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RT @lolonagi: @chucksandy any good online sites < DM me w/ your email. I've got a digital story project I can share ^^ #eltchat
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LizziePinard
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2:52 PM
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#eltchat thanks for the great thoughts and ideas, folks--i'm off back to class... bye!
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Marisa_C
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2:52 PM
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@pjgallantry Plus some of the Ss just not au fait with terms even in their L1 #eltchat
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dstreack
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2:52 PM
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Don't know if I cld go "cold turkey" - no gramm explanation at all - my HS students want the explanation, the process #eltchat
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vickysaumell
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2:52 PM
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RT @EHerrod: RT @Shaunwilden: T explaining is never a good thing #eltchat - Maybe it is AFTER students tackle a task themselves
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lu_bodeman
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2:52 PM
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Comparative analysis of structures and concept questions work nicely. #eltchat
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naomishema
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2:52 PM
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RT @hartle: #eltchat student beliefs are important (and T beliefs) we only learn what we need ultimately.
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barbsaka
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2:52 PM
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@naomishema What about the interference, Naomi? #eltchat
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miladakrajewska
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2:52 PM
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RT @marekandrews: personalised grammar great, drilling of structures relevant to ss lives gr8 #eltchat
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hartle
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2:53 PM
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RT @teflerinha: @naomishema yes, harder to get the concept straight- think we're back to context! (and plenty of it) #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:53 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: There is a grea fallacy believing that it's our job to explain - and our job is done with explanation (D.Willis) #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:53 PM
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@naomishema Good point. Do you put special attention on the places there might be gaps? #eltchat
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teflerinha
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2:53 PM
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@naomishema yes, harder to get the concept straight- think we're back to context! (and plenty of it) #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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2:53 PM
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#eltchat important that ss bring in real, 'live' examples of things that they've seen/heard eg one ss said 'get wasted' this morning.....
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hartle
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2:53 PM
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#eltchat at higher levels lexical grammar imprtant. wrong collocations create havoc in written academic English
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Marisa_C
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2:53 PM
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There is a grea fallacy believing that it's our job to explain - and our job is done with explanation (D.Willis) #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:53 PM
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RT @vickysaumell: RT @EHerrod: Maybe it is AFTER students tackle a task themselves - yes thats what i meant really :-) #eltchat
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chucksandy
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2:53 PM
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RT @hartle: #eltchat. what stds believe they "know" cos theyve studied it and what the "actually know" cn be poles apart < yes #eltchat
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LizziePinard
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2:53 PM
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@Brad5patterson's PLN Interview challenge : "In which Icha(@yitzha_sarwono)is interviewed". Find it here: http://bit.ly/laCmq2 #eltchat
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miladakrajewska
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2:54 PM
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RT @hartle: #eltchat. what stds believe they "know" and what the "actually know" cn be poles apart > interactive compreh. checks important
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mattledding
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2:54 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: There is a grea fallacy believing that it's our job to explain - and our job is done with explanation (D.Willis) #eltchat
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cioccas
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2:54 PM
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@teflerinha Yes, guess they will eventually, or realise they can communicate anyway. Thanks for the side conversation Rachael :-) #ELTchat
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vickysaumell
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2:54 PM
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@chucksandy #eltchat We seem 2 be soulmates in grammar teaching<wanna collaborate? ^^ share stories? > Would love too! Will share links l8er
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mattledding
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2:54 PM
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#eltchat I wonder if most grammar points / T explanations are convenient lies that work as vaccines against noticing grammar.
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teflerinha
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2:54 PM
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@pjgallantry Agree- though easier for ss in English speaking country #eltchat
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chucksandy
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2:54 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: There's a great fallacy believing that its our job to explain -& our job is done with explanation (D.Willis) Love it! #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:54 PM
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Re: past perfect - i get SS 2 colour ex's of past simple, past cont, past perf in 3 diff colours -highlight that pp is least common #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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2:54 PM
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#eltchat ....this lead to discussion og 'get' + adjectives, 'get' + prepositions - useful 'live' grammar
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marekandrews
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2:54 PM
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@juanalejandro26 v nice with monolingual groups to do contrastive grammar activities #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:54 PM
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@marekandrews agree. Have disussed this with people who insist that "beginners can't learn the past tense" - not my experience! #eltchat
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breathyvowel
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2:54 PM
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@barbsaka Terms not universal: so true, I heard the subject referred to as the case t'other day. Last heard that in German aged 13 #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:55 PM
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RT @lu_bodeman: RT @chucksandy @hartle: #eltchat. what sts believe they "know"...and what they "actually know" can be poles apart #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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2:55 PM
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RT #eltchat @teflerinha Agree- though easier for ss in English speaking country - agree - T in NNES has to provide much more.
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BethCagnol
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2:55 PM
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Sorry I missed this #ELTChat Teaching doctors today. Promise to read the summary!
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vickysaumell
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2:55 PM
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@Shaunwilden @EHerrod: Maybe it is AFTER students tackle a task themselves - yes thats what i meant really :-) #eltchat =)))
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chucksandy
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2:55 PM
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RT @vickysaumell: <wanna collaborate? ^^ share stories? > Would love too! Will share links l8er > looking forward #eltchat
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lu_bodeman
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2:55 PM
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RT @chucksandy @hartle: #eltchat. what sts believe they "know"...and what they "actually know" can be poles apart < agreed! #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:55 PM
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@naomishema So that's a great motivator for learning grammar! #eltchat
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juanalejandro26
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2:55 PM
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RT @chucksandy: RT @esolcourses: @marekandrews I always wonder why we don't start w/ the past tense. ^^ #eltchat
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naomishema
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2:55 PM
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RT @chucksandy: RT @esolcourses: @marekandrews I always wonder why we don't start w/ the past tense. ^^ #eltchat
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cioccas
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2:55 PM
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RT @mattledding: #eltchat wonder if most grammar points / T explanations are convenient lies that work as vaccines against noticing grammar.
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chucksandy
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2:55 PM
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RT @esolcourses: @marekandrews I always wonder why we don't start w/ the past tense. ^^ #eltchat
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hartle
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2:55 PM
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RT @mattledding: #eltchat I wonder if most grammar points / T explanations are convenient lies that work as vaccines .. like that :-)
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esolcourses
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2:55 PM
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RT @chucksandy: RT @Marisa_C: There's a great fallacy believing that its our job to explain -& our job is done with explanation (D.Willis) Love it! #eltchat
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naomishema
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2:55 PM
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@barbsaka #eltchat my SS get higher grades on their essays in the finals if they use the perfects. that is their motivation to learn them
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EHerrod
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2:55 PM
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@hartle indeed - I have a dialogue with them - I have ideas about their gaps - but they can also have a say in where they struggle #eltchat
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rliberni
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2:55 PM
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Rio Ferdinand comes bottom in footballer Twitter vocabulary league - mirror.co.uk http://t.co/HDQ5jP3 via @AddThis #eltchat #english #edchat
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hartle
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2:56 PM
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#eltchat there's also a belief tht grammar is really difficult, whn it's simply a matter of acquiring a set of conventions to use
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pjgallantry
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2:56 PM
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#eltchat do you notice that we tell ss one thing about a grammar point at a low level, but then say 'ah, but...' re same point later on? :)
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marekandrews
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2:56 PM
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no contradiction btw focusing on form+developing communicative competence,fluency v accuracy was useful but we've moved on #eltchat
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FarnhamCastle
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2:56 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: @chucksandy "Knowing about" and "Using" can be worlds apart #eltchat <-which brings us back to context
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juanalejandro26
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2:56 PM
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#indeed RT @Marisa_C: @chucksandy "Knowing about" and "Using" can be worlds apart #eltchat
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barbsaka
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2:56 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: @chucksandy "Knowing about" and "Using" can be worlds apart #eltchat
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naomishema
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2:56 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: @chucksandy "Knowing about" and "Using" can be worlds apart #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:56 PM
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@chucksandy "Knowing about" and "Using" can be worlds apart #eltchat
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EHerrod
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2:56 PM
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@sandymillin SUPER :) #eltchat practical examples are fab!
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esolcourses
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2:56 PM
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RT @lu_bodeman: RT @chucksandy @hartle: #eltchat. what sts believe they "know"...and what they "actually know" can be poles apart #eltchat
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dstreack
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2:56 PM
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@Marisa_C Why is our job done w/ explanation? I think that's part of our job as tchrs #eltchat
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juanalejandro26
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2:57 PM
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I don't know how much time we have but... what do you think about teaching grammar w/formulas? subject+verb+complement #ELTChat
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Shaunwilden
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2:57 PM
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RT @EHerrod: RT @Marisa_C: @chucksandy "Knowing about" and "Using" can be worlds apart #eltchat = yes indeed!
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EHerrod
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2:57 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: @chucksandy "Knowing about" and "Using" can be worlds apart #eltchat = yes indeed!
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teflerinha
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2:57 PM
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@pjgallantry yes! Must be really irritating! (But otherwise too overwhelming?) #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:57 PM
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RT @hartle #eltchat there's also a belief tht grammar is really difficult, whn it's simply a matter of acquiring a set of conventions to use
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seburnt
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2:57 PM
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Yes! Exactly my point. Worded nicely. RT @Marisa_C @chucksandy "Knowing about" and "Using" can be worlds apart #eltchat
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elizzabettta
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2:57 PM
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RT @chucksandy: RT @Marisa_C: There's a great fallacy believing that its our job to explain -& our job is done with explanation (D.Willis) Love it! #eltchat
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chucksandy
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2:57 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: @chucksandy "Knowing about" and "Using" can be worlds apart > yep. Completely agree. Isn't using more important? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:57 PM
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@dstreack I didn't quite say that - pls re-read tweet #eltchat
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teflerinha
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2:57 PM
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RT @dstreack: @Marisa_C ..explanation? I think that's part of our job as tchrs #eltchat Perhas depends what we mean by explanation? #eltchat
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lolonagi
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2:58 PM
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@hartle old ..... formulas #eltchat
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naomishema
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2:58 PM
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#eltchat I find that SS with analytical learning styles like to see a set of rules placed in fron of them while others "learn by doing"
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chucksandy
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2:58 PM
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RT @esolcourses: theres also a belief tht grammar's difficult whn its simply a matter of acquiring a set of conventions to use #eltchat
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hartle
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2:58 PM
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RT @juanalejandro26: I don't know how much time we have but... what do you think ... #ELTChat Id they helf the stds use them if not don't
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barbsaka
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2:58 PM
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RT @juanalejandro26: what do you think about teaching grammar w/formulas? subject+verb+complement #ELTChat
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dstreack
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2:58 PM
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@Marisa_C so not "done" as in finished, but "done" as in "accomplished"? #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:58 PM
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@pjgallantry easiest way to see all the #eltchat tweets is via a client like tweetdeck - i have an #eltchat column and can see all tweets
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FarnhamCastle
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2:58 PM
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@juanalejandro26 to me it becomes inflexbile #ELTChat
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cioccas
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2:58 PM
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RT @EHerrod: RT @Marisa_C: @chucksandy "Knowing about" and "Using" can be worlds apart #eltchat = yes indeed!
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Shaunwilden
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2:59 PM
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Anyone want to write #eltchat summary?
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BobK99
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2:59 PM
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Signing off #eltchat - thanks all. Salad calls
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cioccas
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2:59 PM
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RT @marekandrews: rehearse, repeat, recycle, recognise, reasses, realise and rarely will you go very wrong... #eltchat > Neat!
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lolonagi
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2:59 PM
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RT @miladakrajewska: RT @esolcourses: RT @hartle #eltchat there's also a belief tht grammar is really difficult, whn it's simply έΑο (cont) http://deck.ly/~ODP80
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miladakrajewska
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2:59 PM
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RT @esolcourses: RT @hartle #eltchat there's also a belief tht grammar is really difficult, whn it's simply έΑο (cont) http://deck.ly/~ODP80
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juanalejandro26
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2:59 PM
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RT @dstreack: @barbsaka @juanalejandro26 My students like the logic of formulas - gives them a process. #ELTChat
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juanalejandro26
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2:59 PM
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RT @teflerinha: @juanalejandro26 Matter of different learning styles and different educational backgrounds? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:59 PM
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RT @marekandrews: rehearse, repeat, recycle, recognise, reasses, realise and rarely will you go very wrong... #eltchat> lovely
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naomishema
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2:59 PM
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RT @barbsaka: @juanalejandro26 I think formula works well for students who really like patterns and rules #ELTChat
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Shaunwilden
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2:59 PM
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RT @marekandrews: rehearse, repeat, recycle, recognise, reasses, realise and rarely will you go very wrong... #eltchat Wise words Mark :-)
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dstreack
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2:59 PM
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@barbsaka @juanalejandro26 My students like the logic of formulas - gives them a process. #ELTChat
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hartle
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2:59 PM
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RT @lolonagi: @hartle old ..... formulas #eltchat don't understand this :-((
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juanalejandro26
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2:59 PM
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RT @FarnhamCastle: @juanalejandro26 to me it becomes inflexbile and doesn't reflect reality of language in use #ELTChat
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teflerinha
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2:59 PM
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@juanalejandro26 Matter of different learning styles and different educational backgrounds? #eltchat
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FarnhamCastle
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2:59 PM
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@juanalejandro26 to me it becomes inflexbile and doesn't reflect reality of language in use #ELTChat
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barbsaka
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2:59 PM
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@juanalejandro26 I think formula works well for students who really like patterns and rules #ELTChat
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marekandrews
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2:59 PM
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rehearse, repeat, recycle, recognise, reasses, realise and rarely will you go very wrong... #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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3:00 PM
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@dstreack Yes, our job is not 'done' with explnanation, nor is it necessary to explain - lead the Ss to understanding better #eltchat
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EHerrod
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3:00 PM
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oh my - you guys make me hungry...time for lunch. Thank you :)) #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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3:00 PM
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#eltchat - well,another hour has whooshed by: gotta go - teaching Future Perfect Continuous Passive to some humourless German Grammarians ;)
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juanalejandro26
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3:00 PM
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RT @chucksandy: RT @barbsaka: @juanalejandro26 there are some formulas that work: when to use infinitive or gerund w/ like, love, hate, dislike etc #eltchat
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eflmalu
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3:00 PM
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@lu_bodeman after you've already taught past perfect,use it naturally in class n call ss attention to it so they see y they learned #eltchat
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hartle
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3:00 PM
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RT @esolcourses: @hartle IMO, I suspect that the perception of ... #eltchat Yes, quite probably :-)
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lolonagi
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3:00 PM
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@hartle I mean formulas are old #eltchat
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chucksandy
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3:00 PM
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RT @barbsaka: @juanalejandro26 there are some formulas that work: when to use infinitive or gerund w/ like, love, hate, dislike etc #eltchat
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bamarcia
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3:00 PM
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RT @marekandrews: rehearse, repeat, recycle, recognise, reasses, realise and rarely will you go very wrong... #eltchat
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barbsaka
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3:00 PM
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Perfect summary! RT @marekandrews: rehearse, repeat, recycle, recognise, reasses, realise and rarely will you go very wrong #eltchat
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mattledding
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3:00 PM
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#eltchat If u ovrexplain 1. ss that get you stop thinking. 2. Ss that don't, or go further, disconnect. Not good 4 noticing.
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EHerrod
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3:00 PM
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RT @marekandrews: rehearse, repeat, recycle, recognise, reasses, realise and rarely will you go very wrong... #eltchat = man speaks wise :)
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teflerinha
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3:00 PM
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RT @marekandrews: rehearse, repeat, recycle, recognise, reasses, realise and rarely will you go very wrong... #eltchat Like this-the 7 Rs?!
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esolcourses
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3:00 PM
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@hartle IMO, I suspect that the perception of grammar being difficult at least partly stems from t's presenting it out of context #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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3:01 PM
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#eltchat thanks to all!
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barbsaka
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3:01 PM
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We're officially at the end of our chat, but @jefflebow and @Shaunwilden still on ustream and happy to talk! http://bit.ly/iM4ykV #eltchat
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naomishema
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3:01 PM
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RT @chucksandy: Wow! RT @marekandrews: rehearse, repeat, recycle, recognise, reasses, realise and rarely will you go very wrong #eltchat
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vickysaumell
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3:01 PM
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RT @naomishema: @barbsaka Mother tongue interference? #eltchat That accounts for a whole new ELTchat!
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BobK99
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3:01 PM
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RT @marekandrews: rehearse, repeat, recycle, recognise, reasses, realise and rarely will you go very wrong #eltchat! Shdn't that be 'rong'?
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juanalejandro26
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3:01 PM
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RT @mattledding: #eltchat If u ovrexplain 1. ss that get you stop thinking. 2. Ss that don't, or go further, disconnect. Not good 4 noticing.
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chucksandy
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3:01 PM
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Wow! RT @marekandrews: rehearse, repeat, recycle, recognise, reasses, realise and rarely will you go very wrong #eltchat
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juanalejandro26
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3:01 PM
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RT @teflerinha: RT @marekandrews: rehearse, repeat, recycle, recognise, reasses, realise and rarely will you go very wrong... #eltchat Like this-the 7 Rs?!
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Annoula64
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3:01 PM
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RT @Ilotimo: Check the #Finnedchat blog http://bit.ly/kfEL5K All about Finnish Education #edchat #edtech #eltchat #ukedcat #eduswe #education
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sandymillin
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3:01 PM
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Anyone know of a kid's e-pal/keypal site to recommend to kids for the summer? #eltchat #yltsig
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lolonagi
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3:02 PM
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Thanks so much for a great chat.... but skipped a little for food #eltchat
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barbsaka
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3:02 PM
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Thank you @Shaunwilden and @jefflebow for streaming, and @Marisa_C and @rliberni for fab mod-ing, as always :) #eltchat
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sandymillin
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3:02 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: Hey we're still talking if anyone wants to join us #eltchat
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marekandrews
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3:02 PM
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@BobK99 yep that should be 'rong sorry about the spelling #eltchat
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naomishema
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3:02 PM
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@vickysaumell #eltchat have to remember to propose mother tongue interference in time for another chat!
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esolcourses
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3:02 PM
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RT @naomishema RT @chucksandy RT @marekandrews: rehearse, repeat, recycle, recognise, reasses, realise & rarely will you go v.wrong #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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3:02 PM
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@cioccas What was it like? #eltchat
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lolonagi
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3:02 PM
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RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat thanks toalllllllllllllll
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juanalejandro26
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3:02 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: Hey we're still talking if anyone wants to join us #eltchat
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teflerinha
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3:02 PM
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RT @vickysaumell: RT @naomishema: @barbsaka Mother tongue interference? #eltchat That accounts for a whole new ELTchat! - Good idea!
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hartle
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3:02 PM
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#eltchat. thanks everyone, a lot of food for thought here. Have to get back to my exams :-)
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Shaunwilden
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3:02 PM
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Hey we're still talking if anyone wants to join us #eltchat
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cioccas
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3:02 PM
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@jefflebow @Shaunwilden Sorry, won't be joining you after the chat, bedtime for me :-) Thanks for the commentary! #ELTchat
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Kate_Millin
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3:02 PM
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RT @sandymillin: Anyone know of a kid's e-pal/keypal site to recommend to kids for the summer? #eltchat #yltsig
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Marisa_C
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3:03 PM
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Sorry I couldn't join live chat but too little time to get set up while in class #ELtchat
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juanalejandro26
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3:03 PM
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I've missed some #ELTChat I guess it's because you changed time zone! #LOL
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seburnt
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3:03 PM
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Enjoyed the little bits I had the chance to take part in. #eltchat
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lu_bodeman
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3:03 PM
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RT@eflmalu @lu_bodeman after you've taught pst perf, use it naturally in class n call ss attn so they see they learned #eltchat > yes. :)
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aClilToClimb
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3:03 PM
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RT @marekandrews: rehearse, repeat, recycle, recognise, reasses, realise and rarely will you go very wrong #eltchat
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barbsaka
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3:03 PM
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For all of us who had trouble with Tweetdeck tonight, way to hang in there! #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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3:03 PM
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RT @barbsaka: Thank you @Shaunwilden and @jefflebow for streaming, and @Marisa_C and @rliberni for fab mod-ing, as always :) #eltchat
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chucksandy
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3:03 PM
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thanks for a great chat as always ^^ best to all for the day / night :-) #eltchat
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vickysaumell
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3:03 PM
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RT @lolonagi: @chucksandy great thanks a lot #eltchat > Will send you a link too, so you can see actual projects
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naomi_moir
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3:03 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: Last chance to add a topic for this weeks #eltchat http://bit.ly/iAGYFw
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esolcourses
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3:04 PM
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RT @chucksandy: thanks for a great chat as always ^^ best to all for the day / night :-) #eltchat
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mattledding
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3:04 PM
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RT @FarnhamCastle: Grammar best learned (& taught) within communicative context, rather than as set of rules - mimicking way mother tongue is learned #eltchat
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marekandrews
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3:04 PM
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@barbsaka @Shaunwilden @jefflebow @Marisa_C @rliberni thx for putting energy into this+caring about it..great stuff! #eltchat
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