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The effect of culture on language teaching and learning

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This is the transcript of #eltchat held at 12pm on the effect of culture on language teaching and learning 

 

rliberni 2:00 PM RT @Shaunwilden: So it's Wed , 12 BST time for #eltchat. Today's topic is about culture
barbsaka 2:00 PM @LizziePinard I'm here, too, Lizzie. Glad you could make it this week :-)  #eltchat
cherrymp 2:00 PM effect of culture on language teaching/learning-impact @ CR/school level-how to use-how to avoid getting trapped > #eltchat in 5 mins
rogerjfrank 2:00 PM RT @barbsaka: advantages of #bilingualism (there are a lot!) http://nyti.ms/mfEDMJ via NYT #eltchat
rliberni 2:00 PM ELTMentor kicks off tomorrow still time to sign up for 1st session! http://bit.ly/mukGOF #eltchat #teachers #edchat #efl #esl #esol
Shaunwilden 2:01 PM Effect of culture on lang teaching/learning? How to use it to advantage. How to avoid getting trapped by it #eltchat
LizziePinard 2:01 PM so let's get started! :-D #eltchat
rliberni 2:01 PM Don't forget the hashtag #eltchat at the end of your tweet for it to appear in the stream
barbsaka 2:01 PM So, culture :-) #eltchat
cherrymp 2:01 PM RT @rliberni: Welcome to #eltchat your mods today are myself @Shaunwilden  and @barbsaka  pls ask if you need any help #eltchat
cherrymp 2:01 PM oops it won't rain  #eltchat
barbsaka 2:01 PM Looks like @Shaunwilden @rliberni and I are here to mod so far. Ask if you need help :-) #eltchat
rliberni 2:01 PM Welcome to #eltchat your mods today are myself @Shaunwilden  and @barbsaka  pls ask if you need any help #eltchat
JoeMcVeigh 2:01 PM Well, it's been a while but can't miss this topic! #ELTchat Let's hope the thunderstorms hold off and the power stays on here in Vermont!
MariaKaz 2:01 PM RT @yearinthelifeof: 3 tips for making your handouts eco-friendly | ELT Video Clips http://t.co/vRX4eID via @yearinthelifeof #ELTchat
rliberni 2:02 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @sjhannam: What do we mean by culture #eltchat I think a lot of people use this without definition - Agreed, so how would you define it?
Shaunwilden 2:02 PM RT @sjhannam: What do we mean by culture #eltchat I think a lot of people use this without definition - Agreed, so how would you define it?
CeciELT 2:02 PM As usual can't make it to #eltchat... have to teach.Will catch up later with summary and transcript.  Have fun!
barbsaka 2:02 PM @sjhannam How would you define, sara? #eltchat
harrisonmike 2:02 PM What exactly is the #eltchat about to do with culture? teaching it, including it in our provision raising awareness?
rliberni 2:02 PM @JoeMcVeigh looks a bit 'iffy' here too :-(( #eltchat
LizziePinard 2:02 PM both, how to mix and not clash? #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:02 PM Hello all, looking forward to an interesting discussion, as always.  #eltchat
sjhannam 2:02 PM What do we mean by culture #eltchat I think a lot of people use this without definition
cherrymp 2:02 PM which culture - target or home? #eltchat
theteacherjames 2:02 PM After missing last week's #eltchat, I'm back, and I can't wait for this topic!
cybraryman1 2:02 PM My Culture page: http://tinyurl.com/3t3lfrc #eltchat
yearinthelifeof 2:02 PM 3 cunning ways to make your handouts as eco-friendly as possible http://is.gd/VnXqxh #ELTchat #ELTTurkey
timjulian60 2:03 PM @sjhannam  cultural differences vital to point out to ss I feel #eltchat
barbsaka 2:03 PM Seems to me that culture affects in 2 broad ways--where culture trips up language, or where traditions can trip up teaching #eltchat
Vimpela 2:03 PM Why separate home culture and target culture when studing a language? Both of them are necessary when studying a second language #eltchat
chucksandy 2:03 PM sad to have to miss the #eltchat energy hour but wishing you all a good one & sending a bit of energy from a rainy Japan night^^ #eltchat
LizziePinard 2:03 PM the accepted norm in any given place? #eltchat
sjhannam 2:03 PM We need to be clear if we are talking about culture in the wider sense or cultural difference (as it is often used) #eltchat
naomishema 2:03 PM RT @cioccas: RT @barbsaka: Do cultural differences matter in teaching English? http://bit.ly/l8yHmq #eltchat
cherrymp 2:04 PM @Shaunwilden @sjhannam how natives perceive themselves #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:04 PM I see it on how it effects teaching and also how it will effect sts when mixing with other cultures #eltchat
JoHart 2:04 PM Hmm! imho culture is the mores & conventions by which a societal group lives and interacts usually to minimise conflict #ELTchat ?
harrisonmike 2:04 PM #eltchat RT @harrisonmike: Cultural difference is a usual starting point for raising awareness of culture tho, isn't it? #elthcta
sjhannam 2:04 PM @Shaunwilden #eltchat culture with capital "C" could be collective intellectual and artistic pursuits within any given setting
barbsaka 2:04 PM @LizziePinard or culture is part of language #eltchat
LizziePinard 2:04 PM RT @barbsaka: RT @rliberni: I think 1 definition could be a set of 'norms' that are adhered to by a particular society e.g. punctuality #eltchat
rliberni 2:04 PM RT @LizziePinard: language is part of culture #eltchat
LizziePinard 2:04 PM language is part of culture #eltchat
barbsaka 2:04 PM RT @rliberni: I think 1 definition could be a set of 'norms' that are adhered to by a particular society e.g. punctuality #eltchat
rliberni 2:04 PM I think 1 definition could be a set of 'norms' that are adhered to by a particular society e.g. punctuality #eltchat
KarenInGreece 2:04 PM Made it through the rain/flooded roads in time for #eltchat
barbsaka 2:05 PM Big Culture with a "C" doesn't (art, etc.) doesn't usually affect class. It's culture with a little 'c' that trips up my classes #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:05 PM Can I go back a bit? Is appreciating the culture necessary to successfully learn the language?  #eltchat
cherrymp 2:05 PM @rliberni @LizziePinard true in many cases english has been accultured to the native environments leading to varieties of english #eltchat
LizziePinard 2:05 PM RT @rliberni: @LizziePinard I agree that language is part of culture but also that English language isn't in some ways #eltchat   why?
rliberni 2:05 PM RT @JoeMcVeigh: #ELTchat Culture = an integrated system of learned behavior patterns that are characteristic of the member… (cont) http://deck.ly/~HpiSQ
babelannet 2:05 PM RT @LizziePinard: language is part of culture #eltchat
JoeMcVeigh 2:05 PM #ELTchat Culture = an integrated system of learned behavior patterns that are characteristic of the member… (cont) http://deck.ly/~HpiSQ
rliberni 2:05 PM RT @LizziePinard: how does it affect teaching? #eltchat yes, the key question
sjhannam 2:05 PM #eltchat I think it is confused when cultural difference is applied only to certain cultures and not to others
LizziePinard 2:05 PM how does it affect teaching? #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:05 PM RT @LizziePinard: language is part of culture #eltchatlanguage is part of culture #eltchat and culture part of language?
rliberni 2:05 PM @LizziePinard I agree that language is part of culture but also that English language isn't in some ways #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:05 PM RT @cherrymp:  @sjhannam how natives perceive themselves #eltchat
interactivecup 2:05 PM Here you have, our second teaching tip: http://ow.ly/54tES #teaching tip #interactivetips #eltchat #efl
LizziePinard 2:06 PM #eltchat so English as part of English culture but also part of the cultures that have absorbed it and made all different englishes?
Shaunwilden 2:06 PM @OUPELTGlobal I think that depends on what you are inc. in your use of culture here #eltchat
theteacherjames 2:06 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: Can I go back a bit? Is appreciating the culture necessary to successfully learn the language?  #eltchat
barbsaka 2:06 PM @OUPELTGlobal I think knowing the culture is more important than appreciating it, IMHO #eltchat
cherrymp 2:06 PM @OUPELTGlobal of course - i think it helps because in a way language is v much part of d culture #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:06 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: Can I go back a bit? Is appreciating the culture necessary to successfully learn the language?  #eltchat
FarnhamCastle 2:06 PM RT @LizziePinard: language is part of culture #eltchat <-culture is part of language
DaveDodgson 2:06 PM By @yearinthelifeof 3 cunning ways to make your handouts as eco-friendly as possible: My 'tree huggin' ... http://bit.ly/lYOpgE #ELTchat
LizziePinard 2:07 PM RT @JoeMcVeigh: #eltchat I don't think we can say that culture IS language and vice-versa. They  are important parts of each other and are closely related.
JoeMcVeigh 2:07 PM #eltchat I don't think we can say that culture IS language and vice-versa. They  are important parts of each other and are closely related.
mkofab 2:07 PM @OUPELTGlobal I think appreciating the culture is necessary and it can be a very powerful motivator #eltchat
pjgallantry 2:07 PM language and culture are intertwined, surely. simple example: number of naval expressions in Brit English, or idiomatic sayings #eltchat
cherrymp 2:07 PM @FarnhamCastle @LizziePinard both ways it works i think #eltchat
JoHart 2:07 PM @OUPELTGlobal appreciateing culture helps in learning the nuances of language ie a second lang but not always need fro foreign lang #eltchat
harrisonmike 2:07 PM RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat so English as part of English culture but also part of the cultures that have absorbed it and made all different englishes?
JoeMcVeigh 2:08 PM So how do you see intercultural differences helping/hindering your teaching? #ELTchat
cherrymp 2:08 PM @pjgallantry true #eltchat
theteacherjames 2:08 PM @LizziePinard The language is a reflection of the international status that the Eng. had (have?), and our thieving nature! #eltchat
Vimpela 2:08 PM RT @sjhannam: @harrisonmike @rliberni @LizziePinard #eltchat English is pan-cultural and yes I think this is a good thing Mike
WavenyEd 2:08 PM #eltchat how culture affects teaching: learner expectations and language use. Culture affects directness and politeness
sjhannam 2:08 PM @harrisonmike @rliberni @LizziePinard #eltchat English is pan-cultural and yes I think this is a good thing Mike
rliberni 2:08 PM @OUPELTGlobal  not sure that it is really but it does add a dimension which might help  #eltchat
pjgallantry 2:08 PM English language is also informed by the number of different cultures it has interacted with - look at borrowed words #eltchat
barbsaka 2:08 PM For example, knowing that students don't show readiness to start class by making eye helps me teach :) #eltchat
Vimpela 2:08 PM Most  of the times that hints of cultur includd in our lessons are the most appreciated parts by our students, so they're important #eltchat
aClilToClimb 2:08 PM RT @barbsaka: Do cultural differences matter in teaching English? http://bit.ly/l8yHmq #eltchat #jalt #efl
Shaunwilden 2:09 PM @OUPELTGlobal I don't think you have to love the people but can love the language #eltchat
barbsaka 2:09 PM @OUPELTGlobal Lots of students love the language but aren't fans of the speakers :) #eltchat
JoHart 2:09 PM #eltchat  we differentiate different Englishes & diff cultures - how far down do we drill is dialect symtomatic of diff culture?
timjulian60 2:09 PM It's essential to understand Ss reasons 4 learning Eng – ESP ss mightn't want to learn about Guy Fawkes or Xmas in UK, others might #eltchat
LizziePinard 2:09 PM #eltchat can affect class if students are of a culture where they dont like to speak up and emphasise reading/writing/grammar approach?
rliberni 2:09 PM @harrisonmike I have to admit sometimes to feeling 'de-culturised' in terms of English language #eltchat
harrisonmike 2:09 PM @sjhannam It's got some slightly negative side effects tho, don't it? English as pan-cultural #eltchat
cherrymp 2:09 PM RT @barbsaka: I think we're talking about 3 different ways of using culture here--artifacts, norms, and language-influence #eltchat
barbsaka 2:09 PM I think we're talking about 3 different ways of using culture here--artifacts, norms, and language-influence #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:09 PM In essensence I am asking -  Can I learn English successfully and not care for the English-speaking countries?  #eltchat
MrFoteah 2:09 PM RT @cioccas: RT @barbsaka: Do cultural differences matter in teaching English? http://bit.ly/l8yHmq #eltchat
JoHart 2:10 PM @timjulian60 If learning Eng to live in Eng then need those if learning to live in Aus or US don't need #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:10 PM RT @sjhannam: #eltchat our confusion for me is the essence of the problem. 'cultural' is being used in multitude of ways. Difficult to pin down
barbsaka 2:10 PM @OUPELTGlobal Not especially. #eltchat
sjhannam 2:10 PM #eltchat our confusion for me is the essence of the problem. 'cultural' is being used in multitude of ways. Difficult to pin down
OUPELTGlobal 2:10 PM @barbsaka does that affect their learning? #eltchat
eMCDesignLtd 2:10 PM @ELTchat looking forward to todays chat #ELTchat
rliberni 2:10 PM RT @barbsaka: @OUPELTGlobal Lots of students love the language but aren't fans of the speakers :) #eltchat
barbsaka 2:11 PM Cultural artifacts is when we have a holiday party, bring in L2 artifacts, or ask students to teach us about their culture (in Eng) #eltchat
WavenyEd 2:11 PM @JoeMcVeigh culture affects pragmatic understanding, making your received meaning differ from your intended meaning. #eltchat
Moacir2 2:11 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @OUPELTGlobal I don't think you have to love the people but can love the language #eltchat
theteacherjames 2:11 PM @OUPELTGlobal Sice Eng is no longer just the domain of the native speaking countries, I can't see why that wouldn't be possible. #eltchat
sjhannam 2:11 PM @timjulian60 #eltchat do those things represent UK 'culture'?
rliberni 2:11 PM @timjulian60 thois is true these are not imp to learning the language but seem to be integral still to other languages (in UK) #eltchat
xsgalli 2:11 PM RT @englishattack: When being a Native Speaker isn't good enough. #esl #efl #eltchat #iatefl #accent #elt http://bit.ly/jl7upk
harrisonmike 2:12 PM @barbsaka Can also be useful in understanding current affairs in countries different to our own. #eltchat
JoeMcVeigh 2:12 PM #ELTchat One aspect is nonverbal comm.. E.g. eye contact, standing distance, firmness of handshake, gestures. Do you teach this? I do.
yitzha_sarwono 2:12 PM RT @barbsaka: I think we're talking about 3 different ways of using culture here--artifacts, norms, and language-influence #eltchat
JoHart 2:12 PM @sjhannam @Shaunwilden #eltchat imho culture is always difficult to pin down language less so - this may be why often used to impluy culture
LizziePinard 2:12 PM #eltchat culture could be v important in business classes, since if they have to do cross cultural negotiation, need to understand nuances
Shaunwilden 2:12 PM RT @theteacherjames: @OUPELTGlobal Sice Eng is no longer just the domain of the native speaking countries, I can't see why that wouldn't be possible. #eltchat
KarenInGreece 2:12 PM RT @rogerjfrank: RT @barbsaka: advantages of #bilingualism (there are a lot!) http://nyti.ms/mfEDMJ via NYT #eltchat
AndreaBudding 2:12 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Voting is now open for Wednesday's #eltchat http://bit.ly/lq517g
JoHart 2:13 PM @JoeMcVeigh #eltchat for me non-verbal comm is part of language as well as part of culture so we have overlap
Shaunwilden 2:13 PM RT @JoeMcVeigh: #ELTchat One aspect is nonverbal comm.. eye contact, standing distance, firmness of handshake, gestures.
barbsaka 2:13 PM Cultural norms=students not willing to sit on floor, or sit next to other gender, etc. Lack of T awareness can derail class #eltchat
fionamau 2:13 PM RT @FarnhamCastle: RT @LizziePinard: language is part of culture #eltchat <-culture is part of language
sjhannam 2:13 PM @timjulian60 #exactly. Those are just pocket sized cultural bites which are not always of interest to S's! #eltchat
rliberni 2:13 PM cultural issues can be v.imp when dealing with things like how stds approach writing or register or using forms of address #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 2:14 PM @rliberni I think English itself is a culture n my teaching involves it coz somehow it connects #eltchat
LizziePinard 2:14 PM RT @cherrymp: culture can even affect students attitude towards making/correcting mistakes #eltchat
barbsaka 2:14 PM Norms :) RT @cherrymp: culture can even affect students attitude towards making/correcting mistakes #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:14 PM RT @barbsaka: Cultural norms - . Lack of T awareness can derail class #eltchat Yes new teachers should always be made aware of these things
harrisonmike 2:14 PM Or even how students indicate 'yes' & 'no' @rliberni - Sri Lankans nod 4 'no' & shake head 4 'yes'. Confusing in my 1st yr of ESOL! #eltchat
cherrymp 2:14 PM culture can even affect students attitude towards making/correcting mistakes #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:14 PM RT @JoHart: @JoeMcVeigh #eltchat for me non-verbal comm is part of language as well as part of culture so we have overlap
Moacir2 2:14 PM #eltchat culture+language are totally intertwined.can't have 1 without the other.sense of humor or lack thereof will show in the lang.
barbsaka 2:15 PM language influence=a different way of viewing position/location makes it a challenge to teach prepositions :) #eltchat
cherrymp 2:15 PM @timjulian60 it's quite common in south east asia #eltchat
sjhannam 2:15 PM @harrisonmike #eltchat negative why? People using to create their own meaning most of the time and embedded in their own cultural ref
timjulian60 2:15 PM @cherrymp  yep, had experience of this teaching naval officers #eltchat
bamarcia 2:15 PM RT @rliberni: cultural issues very imp when dealing w things like how stds approach writing or register or using forms of address #eltchat
rliberni 2:15 PM The whole area of originality in writing, structuring essays, or doing a spking exam (some  cultures won't look at the examiner) #eltchat
JoeMcVeigh 2:15 PM @rliberni #ELTchat yes, lots of cultural differences in writing structure as noted in contrastive rhetoric research by Kaplan, Connor, etc.
yitzha_sarwono 2:16 PM @LizziePinard When learning some phrases,we are engaging in the culture itself,cause they have history in them #eltchat
cherrymp 2:16 PM language relates to one's e'day realities - students can come up asking for english equivalents things that they see around #eltchat
rliberni 2:16 PM @harrisonmike often it's a good thing it praises your 'betters' and gets you a good mark! #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:16 PM I certainly think a sts' own culture is influential in the way they learn #eltchat
sjhannam 2:16 PM @Shaunwilden @barbsaka #eltchat prob is that sometimes informing t's about cultural difference = inferring stereotypes. how 2 avoid?
JoHart 2:16 PM @Moacir2 Agree at "living in a language" level eg migrant but not always for visitor - diff between ESL and EFL #eltchat
WavenyEd 2:16 PM RT @cherrymp: culture can even affect students attitude towards making/correcting mistakes #eltchat
timjulian60 2:16 PM @rliberni  or address everthing to examiner instead of other candidate #eltchat
rliberni 2:16 PM @JoeMcVeigh true, I think these things have to be part and parcel of how we teach we need to be aware #eltchat
Moacir2 2:16 PM @theteacherjames despite the global of English,it still reflects strongly US/UK values #eltchat
harrisonmike 2:16 PM @rliberni Dealing with plagiarism too. Seems in some cultures that this is not considered as a bad thing #eltchat
LizziePinard 2:16 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @vickyloras:  Making Student-Centred Dogme Student-Friendly: http://t.co/SPAxgtk #eltchat #dogme - great post
sjhannam 2:17 PM @OUPELTGlobal #eltchat and T's 'culture' central to the way they teach and understand their students
cherrymp 2:17 PM @barbsaka v true #eltchat coz in many cases it's not there in the english language #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 2:17 PM Me too RT @JoeMcVeigh: #ELTchat One aspect is nonverbal comm.. E.g. eye contact, standing distance, firmness of handshake, gestures. Do you
timjulian60 2:17 PM @harrisonmike  Italians often have a very relaxed attitude to what a Brit would call "cheating" #eltchat
rliberni 2:17 PM @timjulian60 true ther's a feeling that the other candidate will spoil their chances - lots of culture ti unpack here! #eltchat
barbsaka 2:17 PM @cherrymp And sometimes there is no equivalent :) #eltchat
mkofab 2:17 PM @cherrymp Agree. I notice also very different grading systems. My int students r often disappointed by Flemish system of grading #eltchat
mkofab 2:18 PM My ss often sound 'rude' in English . "I want to" inst of "I'd like to" etc. Not enough P's&Q's. I mention culture then
JoeMcVeigh 2:18 PM #ELTchat   Here's a link to my TESOL 2010 presentation on 10 Techniques for Teaching Tulture on slideshare: http://slidesha.re/iomoxz
yitzha_sarwono 2:18 PM It is ^^ RT @cherrymp: @timjulian60 it's quite common in south east asia #eltchat
cherrymp 2:18 PM @mkofab mmm and students have -ve attitudes towards making mistakes - considering it dumb or stupid #eltchat
theteacherjames 2:18 PM @Moacir2 True, & as a Brit I'm always concerned about committing cultural imperialism by stealth. #eltchat
sjhannam 2:18 PM @harrisonmike @rliberni why? do you feel usurped? I feel enriched #eltchat
barbsaka 2:18 PM RT @pysproblem81: Anyone mentioned Hofstede's dimensions of culture yet? http://bit.ly/mngqfs (more detail: http://bit.ly/mngqfs) #eltchat
harrisonmike 2:18 PM @timjulian60 Aah, in sport and studies equally? #eltchat
pysproblem81 2:18 PM #eltchat - found it very interesting, but think it's a bit discredited...
rliberni 2:18 PM RT @pysproblem81: Anyone mentioned Hofstede's dimensions of culture yet?
barbsaka 2:18 PM @pysproblem81 No. thanks for bringing it in! #eltchat
pysproblem81 2:18 PM Anyone mentioned Hofstede's dimensions of culture yet?
Shaunwilden 2:18 PM @sjhannam Fair point but i think it's imp to give some guidance e.g this is how the education system works here so expect this/that #eltchat
rliberni 2:18 PM RT @timjulian60: @harrisonmike  Italians often have a very relaxed attitude to what a Brit would call "cheating" #eltchat
CeciELT 2:18 PM RT @rliberni: ELTMentor kicks off tomorrow still time to sign up for 1st session! http://bit.ly/mukGOF #eltchat #teachers #edchat #efl #esl #esol
cherrymp 2:18 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Voting is now open for Wednesday's #eltchat http://bit.ly/lq517g
barbsaka 2:19 PM series of blog posts on culture by @Barrytomalin http://bit.ly/ip02YD #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 2:19 PM Hear hear ^^ RT @OUPELTGlobal: I certainly think a sts' own culture is influential in the way they learn #eltchat
sjhannam 2:19 PM @Shaunwilden Agreed. But this needs approaching carefully, I've only seen it being done superficially #eltchat
LizziePinard 2:19 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @sjhannam Fair point but i think it's imp to give some guidance e.g this is how the education system works here so expect this/that #eltchat
Moacir2 2:19 PM @JoeMcVeigh #eltchat different body languages. I teach that too.but more of cultural info than practice.especially if Ss don't travel abroad
FannyFloSan 2:19 PM RT @FarnhamCastle: RT @LizziePinard: language is part of culture #eltchat <-culture is part of language
FOCITurkey 2:19 PM RT @DaveDodgson: By @yearinthelifeof 3 cunning ways to make your handouts as eco-friendly as possible: My 'tree huggin' ... http://bit.ly/lYOpgE #ELTchat
bamarcia 2:20 PM #ELTchat via @JoeMacveigh's TESOL 2010 presentation on 10 Techniques for Teaching Culture http://slidesha.re/iomoxz > great, thx 4 sharing!
LizziePinard 2:20 PM RT @yitzha_sarwono: Hear hear ^^ RT @OUPELTGlobal: I certainly think a sts' own culture is influential in the way they learn #eltchat
cherrymp 2:20 PM @LizziePinard v much :) #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 2:20 PM RT @pysproblem81: Anyone mentioned Hofstede's dimensions of culture yet?
LizziePinard 2:20 PM @yitzha_sarwono #eltchat yes, idioms, stories. metaphors, proverbs etc the language is entiwined with culture...
timjulian60 2:20 PM @harrisonmike  let's not go there! :) #eltchat
cherrymp 2:20 PM RT @barbsaka: series of blog posts on culture by @Barrytomalin http://bit.ly/ip02YD #eltchat
pysproblem81 2:20 PM There's an #elf point here... should we be teaching a common culture? #eltchat
rliberni 2:20 PM @sjhannam  we have been told that we should adapt our language to international standards which I find quite insulting #eltchat
cherrymp 2:20 PM @mkofab v true - students pick up d matter not d manner #eltchat
GatewaytoSkills 2:20 PM Online quiz on some funny #idioms http://ht.ly/51Ynr #grammar #elearning #mlearning #engchat #isedchat #eltchat #edchat #ukedchat
sjhannam 2:21 PM @harrisonmike #eltchat no it enables us to use language to explore those differences better. We sd also be learning other languages IMO
timjulian60 2:21 PM RT @mkofab: My ss often sound 'rude' in English . "I want to" inst of "I'd like to" etc. Not enough P's&Q's.  agree.
rliberni 2:21 PM @pysproblem81  what would that be -  sounds a bit like Brave New World or 1984 - vive la difference - non? #eltchat
sjhannam 2:21 PM @rliberni #eltchat this is very unlikely based on the dynamic nature of language. But why insulting?
harrisonmike 2:21 PM @sjhannam Not usurped. Just if English is pan-cultural doesn't tht detract frm all that makes us diff & what I find truly enriching #eltchat
pjgallantry 2:21 PM is it possible to teach/ learn a language in a culturally 'neutral' way? surely not! #eltchat
fionamau 2:22 PM RT @JoeMcVeigh: #ELTchat One aspect is nonverbal comm.. E.g. eye contact, standing distance, firmness of handshake, gestures. Do you teach this? I do.
harrisonmike 2:22 PM @sjhannam So a negative on part of Brits - we don't do languages. Not sharing equally in this cultural exchange. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:22 PM RT @sjhannam: @marekandrews agreed. but this needs proper understanding, not just sound bites #eltchat
rliberni 2:22 PM RT @yitzha_sarwono: RT @barbsaka: series of blog posts on culture by @Barrytomalin http://bit.ly/ip02YD #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:22 PM @timjulian60 Sts' focus on language can make them sound too direct, a cultural aspect may help? #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 2:22 PM RT @barbsaka: series of blog posts on culture by @Barrytomalin http://bit.ly/ip02YD #eltchat
rliberni 2:22 PM RT @theteacherjames: @Moacir2 I try to make sure it comes from the Sts & what they are curious about, as opposed to me imposing my tastes upon them. #eltchat
LizziePinard 2:22 PM #eltchat re sounding rude etc, v important in business class to discuss different cultures to enable successful comms and negotiation
Shaunwilden 2:22 PM RT @marekandrews: lack of knowledge of  learning culture of the institution you work in often leads to misunderstandings+conflict #eltchat
rliberni 2:22 PM @sjhannam I agree - but this is my mother tongue and I have a great affection for it over and above being a teacher #eltchat
theteacherjames 2:22 PM @Moacir2 I try to make sure it comes from the Sts & what they are curious about, as opposed to me imposing my tastes upon them. #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 2:22 PM @LizziePinard I'm still on my way home.joining #eltchat from my phone! Glad seeing you :-)
cherrymp 2:23 PM @pjgallantry or thank you or ath that sound being formal #eltchat
sjhannam 2:23 PM @harrisonmike #eltchat totally. cultural difference as a term is not applied fairly
LizziePinard 2:23 PM @yitzha_sarwono your phone is cleverer than my old nokia then! ;) #eltchat glad to see you too!
marekandrews 2:23 PM @sjhannam @Shaunwilden lack of knowledge of learning culture of the institution u work in often leads to misunderstandings+conflict #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:23 PM RT @barbsaka: Seems like most of the discussion is about cultural norms so far--How can we use awareness of norms (T and !) to our advantage? #eltchat
pjgallantry 2:23 PM Students find the English frequent use of 'sorry' in social sitns strange and amusing...#eltchat
cherrymp 2:23 PM cultural shocks too #eltchat
sjhannam 2:23 PM @rliberni #eltchat we all do. but why would making yourself more widely understood be an insult? I don't get that
barbsaka 2:23 PM Seems like most of the discussion is about cultural norms so far--How can we use awareness of norms (T and !) to our advantage? #eltchat
fionamau 2:24 PM #eltchat :-( Trying to lurk but phone making it impossible, & now been called away. Enjoy the rest of the chat - I'll catch up w/ summary
JoeMcVeigh 2:24 PM RT @cherrymp: culture shock too #eltchat >> yes, valuable to teach stages of cultural adjustment to students traveling internationally
timjulian60 2:24 PM @OUPELTGlobal  yes, but feel this usually comes better from the teacher than the coursebook #eltchat
pjgallantry 2:24 PM @marekandrews that's true of any company, isn't it? not necessarily because in different lang #eltchat
theteacherjames 2:24 PM @pysproblem81 Since I don't believe that common culture exists, how can we teach it? #eltchat
cherrymp 2:24 PM it's not about judging cultures - but more of understanding and appreciating #eltchat
sjhannam 2:24 PM @Shaunwilden @marekandrews #eltchat Shaun corrected my spelling. Once an English teacher..... : )
harrisonmike 2:24 PM @pjgallantry And politeness? When I learnt Spanish I was told that gracias = thank you very much. Rarely used in all situations #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 2:24 PM RT @JoeMcVeigh: #ELTchat   Here's a link to my TESOL 2010 presentation on 10 Techniques for Teaching Tulture on... http://slidesha.re/iomoxz
rliberni 2:25 PM RT @marekandrews: @sjhannam @Shaunwilden lack of knowledge of learning culture of the institution u work in often leads to misunderstandings+conflict #eltchat
harrisonmike 2:25 PM RT @pjgallantry: ..to many ss, Brit English can sound insincere precisely because of the number of polite phrases we use #eltchat
rliberni 2:25 PM @sjhannam  I don't understand why I cannot just speak British English, why do I need to use a decaffeinated version of it? #eltchat
cherrymp 2:25 PM @JoeMcVeigh even to teachers - handling very polite students was a challenge for me in #myanmar #eltchat
pjgallantry 2:25 PM ..to many ss, Brit English can sound insincere precisely because of the number of polite phrases we use #eltchat
barbsaka 2:25 PM Using cultural norms/differences to advantage--compare/contrast. My Ss had most wonderful class comparing public toilet norms #eltchat
sjhannam 2:25 PM @OUPELTGlobal @timjulian60 some EL1 speakers sound direct too. So how widely is this a cultural 'norm' #eltchat
pysproblem81 2:25 PM @barbsaka Ss norms can inform our teaching - but we should inform learners of other existant norms #eltchat
harrisonmike 2:25 PM @sjhannam Is this a cause of a number of problems round the world then?? Hmm perhaps too much for this #eltchat, that mite b #politicschat!!
JoHart 2:25 PM @Shaunwilden can't give much expectation info until understanding reaches a degree of sophisitication #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:26 PM RT @teflgeek: #eltchat - are we not getting close to discussing Intercultural Communication (ICC) skills and needs?
theteacherjames 2:26 PM @pjgallantry Culturally neutral? Sounds awful. Culture provides us with content. It should be about which cultures we reflect. #eltchat
pjgallantry 2:26 PM #eltchat cultural norms e.g.s - is spitting acceptable? should you make a noise while eating? should you shake hands with the left hand?
mkofab 2:26 PM @LizziePinard Agree.Ss like that.Most never heard of Hofstede, Lewis etc. They love it.Should be part of evbdy's education I think #eltchat
teflgeek 2:26 PM #eltchat - are we not getting close to discussing Intercultural Communication (ICC) skills and needs?
cherrymp 2:26 PM @barbsaka that's a good idea - works v well in multicultural classes or just a simple comparison b'w eng and home cul vl do #eltchat
sjhannam 2:26 PM @rliberni #eltchat I don't see non-native varieites as decaffinated. Have I misunderstood you?
barbsaka 2:26 PM @pysproblem81 Absolutely. Students need to understand where I'm coming from as much as I need to know where they are #eltchat
Moacir2 2:26 PM #eltchat as a L2 learner I fell in love with English but find it impossible to dissociate it from values. Better embrace them when suitable
OUPELTGlobal 2:26 PM @timjulian60 Good point. I think culture comes from the teacher as they know their sts and their culture better.Took it for granted #eltchat
Vimpela 2:26 PM RT @pjgallantry: ..to many ss, Brit English can sound insincere precisely because of the number of polite phrases we use #eltchat
LizziePinard 2:26 PM RT @pysproblem81: @barbsaka Ss norms can inform our teaching - but we should inform learners of other existant norms #eltchat
tekteech7 2:26 PM RT @barbsaka: RT @shamblesguru: If you're a teacher with and iPad you might like to grab an invite to ShowMe!  http://bit.ly/j2nXTI  #eltchat #jalt
barbsaka 2:27 PM @cherrymp They had a lot of data and strong opinions--world travelers :) #eltchat
theteacherjames 2:27 PM @pysproblem81 Give me a minute to wrap my head around that idea! ;-) #eltchat
eltbakery 2:27 PM Working with stereotypes is a good option since ss can discuss what they think is true and their own experiences w foreigners #eltchat
LizziePinard 2:27 PM @rilberni #eltchat who said you should use decaffeinated version and what does that entail?
OUPELTGlobal 2:27 PM @rliberni decaffeinated English? I like that any sof, light English out there anywhere? #eltchat
rliberni 2:27 PM @pjgallantry now that sounds like a cultural mis-understanding to me creating a stereotype which is what we need to avoid #eltchat
pysproblem81 2:27 PM @theteacherjames teach to avoid the conflicts that may arise due to its absence (I don't believe it exists either) #eltchat
cherrymp 2:27 PM IATEFL News http://bit.ly/l9xoWG  #eltchat #elt #efl #tefl #tesol
rliberni 2:28 PM @sjhannam I'm talking about 'International English' not other varieties & the fact that some ppl think we should all learn it #eltchat
barbsaka 2:28 PM Might be good to bring the culture discussion back to the classroom. How does all this help us teach? #eltchat
pysproblem81 2:28 PM @barbsaka also depends what you prepare Ss for - if preparing for life in UK/US etc - then L2 culture v.important, less so if not #eltchat
theteacherjames 2:28 PM @pjgallantry A void? #eltchat
cherrymp 2:28 PM @barbsaka that is a resource which teacher can tap into :) #eltchat
pjgallantry 2:28 PM @theteacherjames absolutely! what would the world look like without a cultural perspective? #eltchat
sjhannam 2:28 PM @timjulian60 depends on which variety though doesn't it? #eltchat
theteacherjames 2:28 PM RT @harrisonmike: @sjhannam So a negative on part of Brits - we don't do languages. Not sharing equally in this cultural exchange. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:28 PM RT @cherrymp: cultural understanding is all about acknowledging and appreciating differences - not condemning ath #eltchat
cherrymp 2:28 PM cultural understanding is all about acknowledging and appreciating differences - not condemning ath #eltchat
JoHart 2:28 PM @rliberni @sjhannam we all need to code switch our frmss of Eng - I too speak Brit Eng  but switch to more Aus for my lit stdnts #eltchat
harrisonmike 2:29 PM @Shaunwilden ELF or EIL I think, Shaun. @rliberni and @sjhannam discussing pan-culturalism of English language #eltchat
timjulian60 2:29 PM @sjhannam  sure but "I don't suppose you could possibly pass me a pen could you?" is  v unlikely in spoken Italian, normal in Eng #eltchat
barbsaka 2:29 PM @marekandrews Can you give an example of activating, Mark? #eltchat
Moacir2 2:29 PM #eltchat can we go overboard political correctness and teach Ss just lang formulas depleted of all value?
Shaunwilden 2:29 PM RT @marekandrews: and if the culture of the learners is accessed+activated in lessons,it will usually be an advantage for the "success" of the lesson #eltchat
LizziePinard 2:29 PM #eltchat maybe culture is one of the many vehicles we can use to transport language to our students?
teflgeek 2:29 PM @cherrymp  #eltchat - therefore teaching is all about giving learners tools and abilities to do that?
Shaunwilden 2:29 PM RT @barbsaka: Might be good to bring the culture discussion back to the classroom. How does all this help us teach? #eltchat
marekandrews 2:29 PM and if the culture of the learners is accessed+activated in lessons,it will usually be an advantage for the "success" of the lesson #eltchat
cherrymp 2:29 PM c how english has got adapted in many countries - in a way that's always the power of english #eltchat
rliberni 2:29 PM RT @barbsaka: Might be good to bring the culture discussion back to the classroom. How does all this help us teach? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:29 PM I missed the thread re  #eltchat  and decaffeinated version ......
cherrymp 2:29 PM IATEFL Teacher Development SIG #Bibliography found at http://bit.ly/lAN3zT  #eltchat #tefl #elt #tesol #efl #pd
marekandrews 2:30 PM @barbsaka by getting students to talk about their own culture and role play how they would explain it to ss from other cultures #eltchat
JoHart 2:30 PM @harrisonmike @sjhannam @theteacherjames is (to our misfortune) our cultrl backgrnd not to hve desprt need another lang or exposuse #eltchat
sjhannam 2:30 PM @rliberni #eltchat there isn't 1 international variety or 1 variety of British English. Language too dynamic for this. d'u mean a standard?
GatewaytoSkills 2:30 PM Great idea to spice up your lesson – set up a #Grammar Court in class http://ht.ly/51Z06 #engchat #edchat #isedchat #hsc #eltchat
cherrymp 2:30 PM @teflgeek can v reduce teaching to set of things - isn't it more with these too? #eltchat
rliberni 2:30 PM @JoHart I agree I'm referring to a few of articles which said that native speakers should also be taught International English #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:30 PM A japanese talking to a German, any culture here? which? assumng the language is English.  #eltchat
pjgallantry 2:30 PM #eltchat I find stereotypes can be a good starting point for discussion about cultural norms and misperceptions
rliberni 2:31 PM @sjhannam there is a kind of standard in ELF and EIL no problem with these except I don't feel the need to speak them #eltchat
JoeMcVeigh 2:31 PM Literature and film can be valuable tools for exploring  culture. #ELTchat  Fun Clip  on Ethiopian /US courting http://youtu.be/OODRl4Q92ko
cherrymp 2:31 PM @sjhannam @rliberni haven't v left dis std english debate long back? englishes - let's give credit to that reality #eltchat
eltbakery 2:31 PM I agree! It's an excellent way to enrich our lessons and transport language to our ss @LizziePinard #eltchat
marekandrews 2:31 PM @barbsaka that would be in a monolingual situation, with multillingual groups u don't need the role play #eltchat
teflgeek 2:31 PM @OUPELTGlobal  #eltchat - in this situation, both participants move into the third space, which is dominated by neither.
theteacherjames 2:31 PM @JoHart @harrisonmike @sjhannam It's true, & we don't realise how much we are missing out on. #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 2:31 PM @barbsaka:using awareness of norms to our advantage: here,as politeness is part of our culture,it'll help to introduce better term #eltchat
janetbianchini 2:31 PM RT @CliveSir #rscon3 schedule is filling up! Presenters get yrselves scheduled asap to avoid disappointment! #edchat #ukedchat #elt #ELTChat
breathyvowel 2:32 PM @marekandrews Agree about learners culture access. One of my best classes was learners talking me through Korean dramas. #eltchat
JoHart 2:32 PM @rliberni #eltchat think Int Eng is a bit sterile lacking idiom etc
Vimpela 2:32 PM The Simpsons are a great way to explore the USA culture with humour #eltchat We saw a lot of American Presidents using them
timjulian60 2:32 PM I always insist to stds that it's not that Brits are "more polite" it's that we show politeness in different ways. #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:32 PM @teflgeek so no cultural context? #eltchat
cherrymp 2:32 PM @JoeMcVeigh v good point - i appreciated d local cul v much after reading d local literature :) #eltchat
harrisonmike 2:32 PM @JoHart Strange for a nation that once travelled and conquered the world. But then conquerers rarely assimilate language (?) =( #eltchat
timjulian60 2:33 PM @JoeMcVeigh  yes, that too #eltchat
cunningcanis 2:33 PM RT @Vimpela: The Simpsons are a great way to explore the USA culture with humour #eltchat We saw a lot of American Presidents using them
barbsaka 2:33 PM @CoffeeAddictMe Culture #eltchat
marekandrews 2:33 PM key is how to help students to negotiate cultural misunderstandings, you can never eliminate them #eltchat
rliberni 2:33 PM @barbsaka yes there was - can't remember when  #eltchat
JoHart 2:33 PM @harrisonmike #eltchat as you say initially seems strange but not really
eltbakery 2:33 PM To discuss national stereotypes in a light  and fun way, you can use this short vid http://youtu.be/NH3pzpC08jM #eltchat
CoffeeAddictMe 2:33 PM can someone update me on what the chat is about today? #eltchat
rliberni 2:33 PM @harrisonmike if we look back in history we did learn and speak languages I think our lack of them now is the rise of ELF #eltchat
cherrymp 2:33 PM @vimpela multimedia tools - wt better ways to get culture live in d CR? #eltchat
theteacherjames 2:33 PM @barbsaka On a basic level, culture provides us with the content to build a lesson around. I don't how it's possible without it. #eltchat
JoeMcVeigh 2:33 PM RT @timjulian60:  it's that we show politeness in different ways. #eltchat >> Or dif concepts of what politeness consists of?
barbsaka 2:33 PM @rliberni @Shaunwilden Wasn't there an #eltchat on ELF and EIL? Can't find the summary to pass on...
pjgallantry 2:33 PM #eltchat to what degree do you think elt practitioners are good (or bad!) 'amabassadors' of our different cultures?
cherrymp 2:33 PM ELT Bibliographies  http://bit.ly/mhyd56  #eltchat #efl #tefl #eltchat #pd #Bibliography #Bibliography
JoHart 2:34 PM @LibraryDenc I would lie down roll over and expect them to "tickle my tummy" LOL #eltchat
teflgeek 2:34 PM @OUPELTGlobal  #eltchat - no, because you always bring your culture with you, it's more being aware that you do this and stepping beyond it
eltbakery 2:34 PM @pjgallantry If they have travelled and have experienced a new culture, they can be excellent ambassadors. #eltchat
rliberni 2:34 PM @JoHart  me too hence my horror at the idea of teaching it to kids in schools here! #eltchat
Moacir2 2:34 PM #eltchat I think culture will go to Ss whenever we use authentic material ranging from politics,sex scandals even how tv soaps differ.
sjhannam 2:34 PM @rliberni #eltchat I'm not sure that there is a clear set of "rules" on what that variety is anyway. There are international English(es)
LizziePinard 2:34 PM #eltchat how to use culture to enhance teaching...idea: use literature from various L1 English countries as vehicle too, also compare etc
mkofab 2:34 PM @timjulian60 Exactly. That is what I believe and tell ss #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:34 PM RT @barbsaka: @rliberni Wasn't there an #eltchat on ELF and EIL? Can't find the summary to pass on... Yes there was will go find it
teflgeek 2:35 PM @cherrymp  #eltchat - not a set of things, but a set of abilities, competencies to be developed
eltbakery 2:35 PM True RT @marekandrews key is how to help students to negotiate cultural misunderstandings, you can never eliminate them #eltchat
sjhannam 2:35 PM @rliberni @harrisonmike We have not been good at language learning for most of modern history. Feature of conquering nations #eltchat
pjgallantry 2:35 PM what about cultural differences within multinational classroom? how can this affect, or enhance, learning? #eltchat
LizziePinard 2:35 PM #eltchat compare L1 English lit from various countries with lit from L2 english
Shaunwilden 2:35 PM RT @barbsaka: @rliberni Wasn't there an #eltchat on ELF and EIL?  - Here is the summary for it http://bit.ly/gBCEon
theteacherjames 2:35 PM @OUPELTGlobal Japanese and German cultures, expressed in a shared language. #eltchat
mgraffin 2:35 PM RT @janetbianchini: RT @CliveSir #rscon3 schedule is filling up! Presenters get yrselves scheduled asap to avoid disappointment! #edchat #ukedchat #elt #ELTChat
barbsaka 2:36 PM @Moacir2 Not to teach them the differences, but to let them use English to talk about the differences--context 4 language practice #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:36 PM RT @eltbakery: True RT @marekandrews key is how to help students to negotiate cultural misunderstandings, can never eliminate them #eltchat
eltbakery 2:36 PM #eltchat how to use culture to enhance teaching...idea: Show headlines of online world newspapers and compare pieces of news.
barbsaka 2:36 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Summary for #eltchat on International Englishes http://bit.ly/gBCEon
Moacir2 2:36 PM #eltchat I don't think we need to prepare a lesson to teach Ss eg the proper distance to talk to some1,to kiss on the cheek or not etc
rliberni 2:36 PM @sjhannam @cherrymp this is not about stadrad english there was a suggestion that kids in UK, US etc.. should change to ELF - #eltchat
theteacherjames 2:36 PM @pysproblem81 #eltchat Yes, make them aware of the space between them. Good point.
Shaunwilden 2:36 PM RT @pjgallantry: what about cultural differences within multinational classroom? how can this affect, or enhance, learning? #eltchat
pysproblem81 2:37 PM About translation - but still relevant -  Katan, David 'Translating Cultures' http://bit.ly/imYia8 #eltchat
rliberni 2:37 PM @JoHart  we need to have a wide range and ELF will probably emerge - US English is more & more prev on TV, newspapers etc.. here #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:37 PM @Shaunwilden I think sts become better aware of different cultures and there's not a dominant one. Very important influence #eltchat
marekandrews 2:37 PM RT @barbsaka: @Moacir2 Not to teach them the differences, but to let them use English to talk about the differences--context 4 language practice #eltchat
JoHart 2:37 PM @rliberni if working with Indigenous stdnts I try to use Aus idiom & also with migrants as this is the cultur they will live in ..#eltchat
cherrymp 2:37 PM @teflgeek to do, to know > wnt things come under know? content #eltchat
marekandrews 2:37 PM being sensitive to culture of ur learners,ur institution,the country u are working in should always help the learning #eltchat
JoeMcVeigh 2:37 PM RT @pjgallantry:  cultural differences within multinational classroom? > Good opportunity for discussion/presentations by students. #ELTchat
sjhannam 2:37 PM @rliberni @cherrymp #eltchat more details please. Who suggested this?
theteacherjames 2:38 PM @pjgallantry I'm wary of this idea of being an 'ambassador'. Our culture is already dominant enough without needing my support. #eltchat
harrisonmike 2:38 PM Teaching students (esp in native-speaking environs) v important. Otherwise sts can be gatekept. e.g. what to do in a job interview #eltchat
JoHart 2:38 PM #eltchat surely the diff forms of Eng are akin top dialects & so would we wish to eradicate dialect ?
cherrymp 2:38 PM @sjhannam @rliberni well i ddnt talk abt ELF - saw a posting on std english and replied #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:38 PM @Moacir2 Actually I have had to do lesson on this before, not regulary but the occasional sts seems to be unaware #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:39 PM RT @harrisonmike: Teaching students (esp in native-speaking environs) v important. #eltchat Yes i agree this is imp
JoHart 2:39 PM #eltchat - I see all the time migrants who can write gd Eng but not cope with accent/dialect cos they have been taught sterile Eng
barbsaka 2:39 PM @Moacir2 Sometimes. Depends if they're learning EFL and unlikely to travel, or ESL and have to deal w/those differences :- #eltchat
eltbakery 2:39 PM In multinational classroom, I can only see this as a plus. The ss are our most powerful resource. #eltchat @pjgallantry
rliberni 2:39 PM RT @harrisonmike: I mean teaching students what is expected culturally ** #eltchat (please see my previous tweet if ur writing summary LOL)
sjhannam 2:39 PM RT @harrisonmike: Teaching students (esp in native-speaking environs) v important. Otherwise sts can be gatekept. e.g. what to do in a job interview #eltchat
harrisonmike 2:39 PM I mean teaching students what is expected culturally ** #eltchat (please see my previous tweet if ur writing summary LOL)
rliberni 2:39 PM @cherrymp yes, we seem to be somewhere else now - no worries :-) #eltchat
teflgeek 2:40 PM @OUPELTGlobal  #eltchat "third place" - a vantage point from which the learner can understand and mediate betw… (cont) http://deck.ly/~hfK96
rliberni 2:40 PM RT @cherrymp: http://bit.ly/mPxh5f culture-the 5th language skill - interesting post  #eltchat
rliberni 2:40 PM @harrisonmike I agree there are some things which stds need to change to take exams etc.. & if they live/work in UK, US etc. #eltchat
cherrymp 2:40 PM http://bit.ly/mPxh5f culture-the 5th language skill - interesting post  #eltchat
mkofab 2:40 PM RT @eltbakery: In multinational classroom, I can only see this as a plus. The ss are our most powerful resource. #eltchat @pjgallantry
yitzha_sarwono 2:40 PM I second that  -)RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat maybe culture is one of the many vehicles we can use to transport language to our students?
sjhannam 2:40 PM @harrisonmike #eltchat do you not find it difficult to advise on generic norms there Mike? I do sometimes
OUPELTGlobal 2:41 PM @teflgeek interesting idea, thanks #eltchat
barbsaka 2:41 PM Matters mostly in EFL (same L1) classes, but what about those cases where L1 culture interferes with language learning? #eltchat
rliberni 2:41 PM RT @CoffeeAddictMe: I try to use Turkish culture in the classroom (stories, history, customs etc.)  when teaching Eng. it's more fun 4 the kids. #eltchat
rliberni 2:41 PM RT @JoeMcVeigh: I like this  but am totally biased :-) Tips for Teaching Culture: Practical Approaches to Intercultural Comm: http://amzn.to/kaqRuQ #ELTchat
cherrymp 2:41 PM cultural aspects in ELT http://bit.ly/kkM19a  >another nice read of course after #eltchat
breathyvowel 2:41 PM @theteacherjames @pjgallantry I think it depends on whether being an ambassador is +vly representing or pushing your culture. #eltchat
rliberni 2:41 PM @sjhannam we were discussing these articles which appeared about 6 months or so ago - don't have the source to hand #eltchat
JoHart 2:41 PM @eltbakery @pjgallantry @mkofab so much easier if stdts have no common lang except Eng :) #eltchat
JoeMcVeigh 2:41 PM I like this  but am totally biased :-) Tips for Teaching Culture: Practical Approaches to Intercultural Comm: http://amzn.to/kaqRuQ #ELTchat
CoffeeAddictMe 2:41 PM I try to use Turkish culture in the classroom (stories, history, customs etc.)  when teaching Eng. it's more fun 4 the kids. #eltchat
barbsaka 2:41 PM RT @Blog4Edu: via @vickyloras An Interview with Sue Lyon-Jones | Brad Patterson’s Interview Challenge http://bit.ly/mmeqli #ELTChat
eltbakery 2:42 PM @JoHart Absolutely True! #eltchat
cherrymp 2:43 PM @CoffeeAddictMe use  #eltchat hashtag if ur posting shud appear in the  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:43 PM RT @CoffeeAddictMe: #eltchat we don't teach british/am culture in Turkey - only theEng. lang It was diff. i… (cont) http://deck.ly/~3hWqS
barbsaka 2:43 PM There was some nice discussion about culture affecting language with one of my recent posts: http://bit.ly/l8yHmq #eltchat
harrisonmike 2:43 PM @sjhannam Yes! But very important 2 b aware of this: Celia Roberts Lang Migration and the Gatekeepers http://bit.ly/kHBu0m #eltchat #natecla
LizziePinard 2:43 PM #eltchat why do certain peoples tweets not come through, i only ever see replies to them! guess i have to wait for transcript!
pjgallantry 2:43 PM @JoHart @eltbakery @mkofab I was thinking about practical class management procs as well - sitting ss together etc #eltchat
theteacherjames 2:43 PM RT @breathyvowel: @theteacherjames @pjgallantry I think it depends on whether being an ambassador is +vly representing or pushing your culture. #eltchat
rliberni 2:43 PM @CoffeeAddictMe  I agree when I taught in Indonesia I used English medium writers from Malaysia and Singapore much more accessible #eltchat
cherrymp 2:44 PM @LizziePinard same here too - sth to do with the connection  #eltchat
sjhannam 2:44 PM @rliberni Wd like to see articles if you can find them as difficult to comment otherwise. Thx. After #eltchat
___ 2:44 PM RT @yitzha_sarwono: RT @barbsaka: There was some nice discussion about culture affecting language with one of my recent posts: http://bit.ly/l8yHmq #eltchat
CoffeeAddictMe 2:44 PM @rliberni :yes, we try 2 use as much "Turkish" as we can. f.instance if we teach directions we use a map of the city we live in. #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 2:44 PM RT @barbsaka: There was some nice discussion about culture affecting language with one of my recent posts: http://bit.ly/l8yHmq #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:45 PM @CoffeeAddictMe I like the idea of using local culture in the lessons, place names, sts' names, local traditions, holidays, etc #eltchat
pysproblem81 2:45 PM @harrisonmike @sjhannam #eltchat Great research by Celia Roberts on Culture & gatekeeping in interviews: http://bit.ly/lflZkH
eltbakery 2:45 PM @JoHart @mkofab When I was studying English in the UK, the T never let me sit next to another Brazilian. Think it's a good idea. #eltchat
JoHart 2:45 PM Are you following the #eltchat # tag? @LizziePinard if not & u not following them u may not see their tweets
CoffeeAddictMe 2:45 PM in Norway when they teach directions they usually use a streetmap of London :-)  #eltchat
barbsaka 2:45 PM For example, way of seeing location is opposite in Jpz/Eng, so English prepositions seem bass-ackwards to my students :) #eltchat
LizziePinard 2:45 PM @cherrymp #eltchat v frustrating to be missing stuff!!
BobK99 2:45 PM @sjhannam @rliberni #eltchat I think Berni's point is that she resents being told to dumb down .Whereas ...(1/2)
rliberni 2:46 PM @CoffeeAddictMe  interesting - I remember all c'books having bowler-hatted gents in the 70s #eltchat
cherrymp 2:46 PM good pt - adapting things to suit the culture - so bid goodbye to tom and mary - usher in local names  #eltchat
LizziePinard 2:46 PM @JoHart yes i am folling the #eltchat in tweetdeck by a search column
harrisonmike 2:46 PM RT @pysproblem81: @harrisonmike @sjhannam #eltchat Gr8 research by Celia Roberts: Culture & gatekeeping in interviews: http://bit.ly/lflZkH
sjhannam 2:46 PM @harrisonmike great source. Thx #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:47 PM @rliberni That's when they are to be avoided... #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:47 PM RT @rliberni: @CoffeeAddictMe  I remember all c'books having bowler-hatted gents in the 70s #eltchat & we all drink tea and it rains alot
pjgallantry 2:47 PM #eltchat what do you think about some students adopting English names?
theteacherjames 2:47 PM @sjhannam @pjgallantry Imposition of culture makes me feel uncomfortable. Like @lclandfield's policy of banning celebs in his books #eltchat
rliberni 2:47 PM @sjhannam we did discuss this topic before there may be references in that summary #eltchat
BobK99 2:47 PM (2/2) @sjhannam @rliberni #eltchat ... saying, say, 'pharmacy' instead of 'chemist' is fine
JoHart 2:47 PM @mkofab I am lit teacher who often has some ESL stdnts - find having only Eng as common lang increases comms #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:47 PM @LizziePinard Some people forget the hashtag so you only see the tweet if you're following them  #eltchat
marekandrews 2:48 PM major task of language learners is to define for themselves a 'third place' between cultures+ to feel comfortable there. Kramsch #eltchat
rliberni 2:48 PM @OUPELTGlobal  true and actually these things no longer exist anyway #eltchat
harrisonmike 2:48 PM @pysproblem81 I only put up link 2 slides from #NATECLA #eltchat ur link v interesting - will read fully later
cherrymp 2:48 PM @theteacherjames @sjhannam @pjgallantry any form of imposition results in resistance not acceptance #eltchat
sjhannam 2:48 PM @theteacherjames @pjgallantry @lclandfield #eltchat me too. I avoid making essentialist statements about Britain wherever possible!
rliberni 2:48 PM @Shaunwilden some truth in that Lol! :- #eltchat
CoffeeAddictMe 2:48 PM @OUPELTGlobal : yes. that is a policy where I work. Whenever possible we use topics the students can relate to in their own cult. #eltchat
LizziePinard 2:48 PM @theteacherjames why is bringing culture into the classroom = imposition? #eltchat
pjgallantry 2:49 PM you can't help bringing your cultural baggage into class with you: just be aware that only hand luggage is allowed in the lesson! #eltchat
theteacherjames 2:49 PM @LizziePinard It isn't inherently, but if it isn't lead by sts needs or curiosity then I think it has some unfortunate overtones. #eltchat
LizziePinard 2:49 PM RT @eltbakery: @theteacherjames @LizziePinard Bringing culture is not an imposition if you listen, accept and respect ss' opinions. #eltchat
eltbakery 2:49 PM @theteacherjames @LizziePinard Bringing culture is not an imposition if you listen, accept and respect ss' opinions. #eltchat
JoHart 2:49 PM @LizziePinard -OK same as me - might just be too much in one go for yr API or connexn  oops!  #eltchat
cherrymp 2:49 PM @Marisa_C catch up & welcome #eltchat
pysproblem81 2:49 PM @sjhannam @harrisonmike Definitely some similarities - a lot about social capital #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:49 PM RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat what do u think about  students adopting English names? Alot of Asian sts do this, but they choose  odd names !
barbsaka 2:49 PM down to our last 10 minutes here. What are our "takeaway" points about culture in language teaching? #eltchat
JoHart 2:50 PM @LizziePinard have had occasional dropout in tweetdeck when convo going v fastbut not in #eltchat as in edchat agree v frustrating
CoffeeAddictMe 2:50 PM @Shaunwilden @pjgallantry : terrible! its like when my Turkish fam. wanted to give me a Turkish name. aagh! I found it offensive. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:50 PM RT @sjhannam: @barbsaka #eltchat we all use the term culture differently so we need to 'check' how others are using it
Marisa_C 2:50 PM @cherrymp too late i'm afraid - brain frazzled by now... :-) will do the transcript though @Shaunwilden #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:50 PM @barbsaka seems to me cultural is an important part of learning when it helps the sts communincate better. How's that? #eltchat
theteacherjames 2:50 PM RT @eltbakery: @theteacherjames @LizziePinard Bringing culture is not an imposition if you listen, accept and respect ss' opinions. #eltchat
sjhannam 2:50 PM @barbsaka #eltchat we all use the term culture differently so we need to 'check' how others are using it
JoeMcVeigh 2:50 PM #ELTchat can intercultural com. and ELT go beyond language 2 better understanding betwn people? Overly ambitious? http://slidesha.re/mulvkg
Shaunwilden 2:50 PM @CoffeeAddictMe  I hate that idiom, drives me nuts,  adopt evil grin on face when sts  proudly says it  to me  :-) #eltchat
LizziePinard 2:50 PM #eltchat i hope the transcript fills in all the missing bits...
CoffeeAddictMe 2:51 PM @Shaunwilden :-) what about "it was a dark and stormy night" #eltchat
barbsaka 2:51 PM Perfect! RT @OUPELTGlobal: @barbsaka Culture is an important part of learning when it helps the sts communincate better. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:51 PM RT @sjhannam: #eltchat we all use the term culture differently so we need to 'check' how others are using it-I think this is a imp takeaway
sjhannam 2:51 PM @barbsaka 'cultural difference' is often applied to non-dominant cultures in a stereotyped way. We sd be wary of this #eltchat
cherrymp 2:51 PM @Marisa_C ur call #eltchat
mkofab 2:51 PM Get that chip of your shoulder, you English. Your rich culture can be the motivator for many students as it was for me in the 70s. #eltchat
BobK99 2:51 PM RT @timjulian60: I always insist to stds that it's not that Brits are "more polite" it's that we show politeness in different ways. #eltchat
marekandrews 2:51 PM if we work on this" third place" btw cultures I don't think we will be "trapped" by either the learners' or the teacher's culture #eltchat
pjgallantry 2:51 PM I've had Chinese students called Monty, Turbo and Nemesis! #eltchat
timjulian60 2:51 PM @Shaunwilden  you saying that's not true Shaun? Strewth (tears up lesson plan) #eltchat
janetbianchini 2:51 PM Via @abfromz http://tinyurl.com/nz387n Arjana interviews @evab2001 for @Brad5patterson 's interview challenge - great interview! #ELTChat
theteacherjames 2:52 PM @pjgallantry Eng names: I find that odd, & I don't like the idea that they have to adopt a new persona to speak the language. #eltchat
breathyvowel 2:52 PM @pjgallantry Adopting English names is big in Korea. I don't like it, feels like the learners are losing their identity 2 lang. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:52 PM @sjhannam Completely agree #eltchat
harrisonmike 2:52 PM RT @sjhannam: @Shaunwilden @pjgallantry #eltchat I think we should try to learn student names as they are, not the changed version.
LizziePinard 2:52 PM #eltchat im interested in learning about other cultures, im sure plenty students are too, esp if learning the language. ..
cherrymp 2:52 PM @barbsaka @OUPELTGlobal Culture is an important part of learning when it helps the sts communincate better. #eltchat >a tool then NOT a trap
sjhannam 2:52 PM @Shaunwilden @pjgallantry #eltchat I think we should try to learn student names as they are, not the changed version.
rliberni 2:52 PM Gotta dash - my summary we need to be aware of things in the stds culture that mitigate against being gr8 performers in English #eltchat
barbsaka 2:52 PM Yes! RT @sjhannam: 'cultural difference' is often applied to non-dominant cultures in a stereotyped way. We sd be wary of this #eltchat
LizziePinard 2:53 PM ok, must run, am doing summary tho! #eltchat
barbsaka 2:53 PM Good one, @cherrymp "Culture is a tool, not a trap" #eltchat
cherrymp 2:53 PM @sjhannam @Shaunwilden @pjgallantry #eltchat student names >good pt; bt wt if v end up mispronouncing causing embarrassment? #eltchat
JoeMcVeigh 2:53 PM #ELTchat  Have to go take son to school (8am here) but more ideas here: http://amzn.to/kaqRuQ Thanks everyone!
timjulian60 2:53 PM @sjhannam  agree, smacks to me a bit of the slave name syndrome (tho obviously less  offensive) #eltchat
harrisonmike 2:53 PM Better start packing to be ready to come back to UK tomorrow. By #eltchat enjoy the last 7 mins
sjhannam 2:53 PM Thanks everyone at #eltchat. Really enjoyed it. Over and out from Thessaloniki xx
CoffeeAddictMe 2:53 PM @BobK99 :-) #eltchat
barbsaka 2:53 PM Absolutely! RT @sjhannam: #eltchat I think we should try to learn student names as they are, not the changed version.
CoffeeAddictMe 2:53 PM @Shaunwilden @rliberni : and the textbook characters eat scones a lot. #eltchat
rliberni 2:54 PM @JoHart  true & there are official names, family names, friend names etc.. this is cultural I think #eltchat
Marisa_C 2:54 PM RT @teflgeek: #eltchat - further reading?  Try here: http://bit.ly/lN3mGD
theteacherjames 2:54 PM RT @pjgallantry: you can't help bringing your cultural baggage into class with you: just be aware that only hand luggage is allowed #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:54 PM RT @barbsaka: Good one, @cherrymp "Culture is a tool, not a trap" #eltchat
teflgeek 2:54 PM #eltchat - further reading?  Try here: http://bit.ly/lN3mGD
pjgallantry 2:54 PM @theteacherjames yes, I find it weird too, but I think some ss find their name being mispronounced offensive as well #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:54 PM @sjhannam Nice to  have you here Sara, thanks for bringing your insights into the topic #eltchat
JoHart 2:54 PM @theteacherjames @breathyvowel in some cultures adopting Eng name has religious sugnificance esp if Catholic faith  #eltchat
Marisa_C 2:54 PM @LizziePinard Thanks, Lizzie!  #eltchat
LizziePinard 2:54 PM RT @barbsaka: Good one, @cherrymp "Culture is a tool, not a trap" #eltchat
pysproblem81 2:54 PM @sjhannam @Shaunwilden @pjgallantry think we should celebrate Ss identities, not try to squash/mold them (no soy ningΓΊn Felipe) #eltchat
rliberni 2:54 PM @theteacherjames  maybe culturally they do - in some cultures there are many names for diff situations #eltchat
theteacherjames 2:55 PM @rliberni @JoHart  At least then it's their own choice, as opposed to being the teacher's idea. #eltchat
sjhannam 2:55 PM @Shaunwilden My pleasure Shaun #eltchat. Will try to make it again soon.
Shaunwilden 2:55 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: @pjgallantry Pronouncing the names correctly is a first step to another's culture, IMHO #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:55 PM @pjgallantry Pronouncing the names correctly is a first step to another's culture, IMHO #eltchat
marekandrews 2:55 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @teflgeek: #eltchat - further reading?  Try here: http://bit.ly/lN3mGD
JoHart 2:55 PM @theteacherjames @breathyvowel #eltchat I know 2 Chinese bro's one uses Eng name & one Chinese name - their choce
cherrymp 2:55 PM @LizziePinard i wonder how u find ur way around d maze - a'way hats off for always raising hands #eltchat
Marisa_C 2:55 PM @theteacherjames ha ha good one  #eltchat
rliberni 2:55 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @teflgeek: #eltchat - further reading?  Try here: http://bit.ly/lN3mGD
CoffeeAddictMe 2:55 PM @sjhannam @Shaunwilden @pjgallantry : absolutely! otherwise we're saying their real names aren't "good enough". #eltchat
breathyvowel 2:56 PM Re: English names. Do you think the age of students makes a difference to how accepting they would be? #eltchat
teflgeek 2:56 PM @cherrymp  #eltchat sorry for delay v difficult to summarise and not sure can do it in a tweet!
rliberni 2:56 PM @theteacherjames  to be honest I missed the initial tweet so mea culpa :-) #eltchat
pjgallantry 2:56 PM #eltchat what I hate is teachers giving their ss English names - it's sometimes clear they're taking the piss
rliberni 2:56 PM @CoffeeAddictMe  oh but we do eat scones given half the chance (especially with cream and jam)! #eltchat
barbsaka 2:56 PM @Moacir2 That's a good point (don't know students' future) #eltchat
AlexandraKouk 2:56 PM Great corpora tool via the Webheads: Livebinders! http://bit.ly/kS3kjH #ELTChat #aplanet
JoHart 2:57 PM @theteacherjames @rliberni I wld never dream of giving alternative name! That is rude! That has to be stdnt choice  #eltchat ....
cherrymp 2:57 PM @teflgeek no probs - vl expect a post then :) #eltchat
lindseybp 2:57 PM RT @barbsaka: There was some nice discussion about culture affecting language with one of my recent posts: http://bit.ly/l8yHmq #eltchat
pjgallantry 2:57 PM @OUPELTGlobal you're right, but sadly there are some ELTs out there who never try #eltchat
theteacherjames 2:57 PM @rliberni No problem! :-) #eltchat
CoffeeAddictMe 2:57 PM @OUPELTGlobal @pjgallantry Agreed. Our attempts may not be perfect but its important to make the effort. #eltchat
cherrymp 2:57 PM using real names is good. nothing better than that. bt imagine d plight of a foreign Tr tuning into the nuances of pronunciation #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:57 PM RT @rliberni: @CoffeeAddictMe  oh but we do eat scones given half the chance (especially with cream & jam)! #eltchat Speak for yourself:-)
barbsaka 2:58 PM Wanting to use real student names takes on a different dimension in countries where they don't use each other's names, normally :) #eltchat
CoffeeAddictMe 2:58 PM @rliberni :yes but why do my students have to know that? I'd rather have them practice vocab. by describing somt. they eat & like! #eltchat
rliberni 2:58 PM @Shaunwilden  Lol :-) http://bit.ly/cUNHvp  #eltchat
JoHart 2:58 PM @theteacherjames @rliberni #eltchat & I ask them to keep correcting if I mispronounce
cybraryman1 2:58 PM My Idioms page: http://cybraryman.com/idioms.html  Proverbs: http://tinyurl.com/yzh453s Culture: http://tinyurl.com/3t3lfrc #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:58 PM @breathyvowel definitely, but also their persopnality, willingness to imagine and pretend, take on a diferent role can b liberating #eltchat
marekandrews 2:58 PM @OUPELTGlobal @pjgallantry  was disappointed with Michael Palin making little attempt to pronounce Hungarian names when he was here #eltchat
rliberni 2:59 PM @CoffeeAddictMe  they don't  to learn English but they might if they were coming to visit the UK  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:59 PM @rliberni These are better :-) http://bit.ly/eQhhg - and soooo english cheddar and marmite #eltchat
theteacherjames 2:59 PM @JoHart @rliberni But the teacher doesn't even have to give the name, could just suggest the idea. Really don't like it... #eltchat
mkofab 2:59 PM @Shaunwilden @rliberni @CoffeeAddictMe Made scones once for my students;-)Don't make fun of your scones!We love them ! #eltchat
juanalejandro26 2:59 PM RT @cybraryman1: My Idioms page: http://cybraryman.com/idioms.html  Proverbs: http://tinyurl.com/yzh453s Culture: http://tinyurl.com/3t3lfrc #eltchat
cherrymp 3:00 PM RT @barbsaka: My biggest takeaway is the idea that culture is ours to use as context for language and as a tool for understanding #eltchat
krabongtan6213 3:00 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: Learning the sts' names is a great way tom interact with them and reverse rioles in which they r the tchrs gr8t cultural connection #eltchat
barbsaka 3:00 PM My biggest takeaway is the idea that culture is ours to use as context for language and as a tool for understanding #eltchat
CoffeeAddictMe 3:00 PM @mkofab @Shaunwilden @rliberni :dry & tasteless & too much baking powder. ugh! #eltchat
marekandrews 3:00 PM @JoHart yeah, trying to pronounce ss names correctly is the first place we should be acknowledging ss+their culture #eltchat
theteacherjames 3:00 PM @pjgallantry I had Cactus and Potts in the same class! #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 3:00 PM Learning the sts' names is a great way tom interact with them and reverse rioles in which they r the tchrs gr8t cultural connection #eltchat
CoffeeAddictMe 3:01 PM @rliberni : true - but then I'd go for teaching them about fish & chips :-) They'll defin. eat that! #eltchat
JoHart 3:01 PM @theteacherjames @rliberni neither do I and hope I didn't give the slightest impression that I did! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 3:01 PM Tonight's chat (at 21.00 BST) is How does YOUR language learning experience impact on your teaching?  #eltchat
rliberni 3:01 PM @CoffeeAddictMe  oh no, you bought them at the supermarket :-) #eltchat
theteacherjames 3:01 PM RT @mkofab: Get that chip of your shoulder, you Eng. Yr rich culture can be the motivator for students as it was for me in the 70s. #eltchat
barbsaka 3:01 PM What an hour! Thanks for a great #eltchat everyone!

 

 

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