| rliberni |
2:00 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: So it's Wed , 12 BST time for #eltchat. Today's topic is about culture |
| barbsaka |
2:00 PM |
@LizziePinard I'm here, too, Lizzie. Glad you could make it this week :-) #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:00 PM |
effect of culture on language teaching/learning-impact @ CR/school level-how to use-how to avoid getting trapped > #eltchat in 5 mins |
| rogerjfrank |
2:00 PM |
RT @barbsaka: advantages of #bilingualism (there are a lot!) http://nyti.ms/mfEDMJ via NYT #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:00 PM |
ELTMentor kicks off tomorrow still time to sign up for 1st session! http://bit.ly/mukGOF #eltchat #teachers #edchat #efl #esl #esol |
| Shaunwilden |
2:01 PM |
Effect of culture on lang teaching/learning? How to use it to advantage. How to avoid getting trapped by it #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
2:01 PM |
so let's get started! :-D #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:01 PM |
Don't forget the hashtag #eltchat at the end of your tweet for it to appear in the stream |
| barbsaka |
2:01 PM |
So, culture :-) #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:01 PM |
RT @rliberni: Welcome to #eltchat your mods today are myself @Shaunwilden and @barbsaka pls ask if you need any help #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:01 PM |
oops it won't rain #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
2:01 PM |
Looks like @Shaunwilden @rliberni and I are here to mod so far. Ask if you need help :-) #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:01 PM |
Welcome to #eltchat your mods today are myself @Shaunwilden and @barbsaka pls ask if you need any help #eltchat |
| JoeMcVeigh |
2:01 PM |
Well, it's been a while but can't miss this topic! #ELTchat Let's hope the thunderstorms hold off and the power stays on here in Vermont! |
| MariaKaz |
2:01 PM |
RT @yearinthelifeof: 3 tips for making your handouts eco-friendly | ELT Video Clips http://t.co/vRX4eID via @yearinthelifeof #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
2:02 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @sjhannam: What do we mean by culture #eltchat I think a lot of people use this without definition - Agreed, so how would you define it? |
| Shaunwilden |
2:02 PM |
RT @sjhannam: What do we mean by culture #eltchat I think a lot of people use this without definition - Agreed, so how would you define it? |
| CeciELT |
2:02 PM |
As usual can't make it to #eltchat... have to teach.Will catch up later with summary and transcript. Have fun! |
| barbsaka |
2:02 PM |
@sjhannam How would you define, sara? #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
2:02 PM |
What exactly is the #eltchat about to do with culture? teaching it, including it in our provision raising awareness? |
| rliberni |
2:02 PM |
@JoeMcVeigh looks a bit 'iffy' here too :-(( #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
2:02 PM |
both, how to mix and not clash? #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
2:02 PM |
Hello all, looking forward to an interesting discussion, as always. #eltchat |
| sjhannam |
2:02 PM |
What do we mean by culture #eltchat I think a lot of people use this without definition |
| cherrymp |
2:02 PM |
which culture - target or home? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2:02 PM |
After missing last week's #eltchat, I'm back, and I can't wait for this topic! |
| cybraryman1 |
2:02 PM |
My Culture page: http://tinyurl.com/3t3lfrc #eltchat |
| yearinthelifeof |
2:02 PM |
3 cunning ways to make your handouts as eco-friendly as possible http://is.gd/VnXqxh #ELTchat #ELTTurkey |
| timjulian60 |
2:03 PM |
@sjhannam cultural differences vital to point out to ss I feel #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
2:03 PM |
Seems to me that culture affects in 2 broad ways--where culture trips up language, or where traditions can trip up teaching #eltchat |
| Vimpela |
2:03 PM |
Why separate home culture and target culture when studing a language? Both of them are necessary when studying a second language #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
2:03 PM |
sad to have to miss the #eltchat energy hour but wishing you all a good one & sending a bit of energy from a rainy Japan night^^ #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
2:03 PM |
the accepted norm in any given place? #eltchat |
| sjhannam |
2:03 PM |
We need to be clear if we are talking about culture in the wider sense or cultural difference (as it is often used) #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2:03 PM |
RT @cioccas: RT @barbsaka: Do cultural differences matter in teaching English? http://bit.ly/l8yHmq #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:04 PM |
@Shaunwilden @sjhannam how natives perceive themselves #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:04 PM |
I see it on how it effects teaching and also how it will effect sts when mixing with other cultures #eltchat |
| JoHart |
2:04 PM |
Hmm! imho culture is the mores & conventions by which a societal group lives and interacts usually to minimise conflict #ELTchat ? |
| harrisonmike |
2:04 PM |
#eltchat RT @harrisonmike: Cultural difference is a usual starting point for raising awareness of culture tho, isn't it? #elthcta |
| sjhannam |
2:04 PM |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat culture with capital "C" could be collective intellectual and artistic pursuits within any given setting |
| barbsaka |
2:04 PM |
@LizziePinard or culture is part of language #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
2:04 PM |
RT @barbsaka: RT @rliberni: I think 1 definition could be a set of 'norms' that are adhered to by a particular society e.g. punctuality #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:04 PM |
RT @LizziePinard: language is part of culture #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
2:04 PM |
language is part of culture #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
2:04 PM |
RT @rliberni: I think 1 definition could be a set of 'norms' that are adhered to by a particular society e.g. punctuality #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:04 PM |
I think 1 definition could be a set of 'norms' that are adhered to by a particular society e.g. punctuality #eltchat |
| KarenInGreece |
2:04 PM |
Made it through the rain/flooded roads in time for #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
2:05 PM |
Big Culture with a "C" doesn't (art, etc.) doesn't usually affect class. It's culture with a little 'c' that trips up my classes #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
2:05 PM |
Can I go back a bit? Is appreciating the culture necessary to successfully learn the language? #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:05 PM |
@rliberni @LizziePinard true in many cases english has been accultured to the native environments leading to varieties of english #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
2:05 PM |
RT @rliberni: @LizziePinard I agree that language is part of culture but also that English language isn't in some ways #eltchat why? |
| rliberni |
2:05 PM |
RT @JoeMcVeigh: #ELTchat Culture = an integrated system of learned behavior patterns that are characteristic of the member… (cont) http://deck.ly/~HpiSQ |
| babelannet |
2:05 PM |
RT @LizziePinard: language is part of culture #eltchat |
| JoeMcVeigh |
2:05 PM |
#ELTchat Culture = an integrated system of learned behavior patterns that are characteristic of the member… (cont) http://deck.ly/~HpiSQ |
| rliberni |
2:05 PM |
RT @LizziePinard: how does it affect teaching? #eltchat yes, the key question |
| sjhannam |
2:05 PM |
#eltchat I think it is confused when cultural difference is applied only to certain cultures and not to others |
| LizziePinard |
2:05 PM |
how does it affect teaching? #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
2:05 PM |
RT @LizziePinard: language is part of culture #eltchatlanguage is part of culture #eltchat and culture part of language? |
| rliberni |
2:05 PM |
@LizziePinard I agree that language is part of culture but also that English language isn't in some ways #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:05 PM |
RT @cherrymp: @sjhannam how natives perceive themselves #eltchat |
| interactivecup |
2:05 PM |
Here you have, our second teaching tip: http://ow.ly/54tES #teaching tip #interactivetips #eltchat #efl |
| LizziePinard |
2:06 PM |
#eltchat so English as part of English culture but also part of the cultures that have absorbed it and made all different englishes? |
| Shaunwilden |
2:06 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal I think that depends on what you are inc. in your use of culture here #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2:06 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: Can I go back a bit? Is appreciating the culture necessary to successfully learn the language? #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
2:06 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal I think knowing the culture is more important than appreciating it, IMHO #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:06 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal of course - i think it helps because in a way language is v much part of d culture #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:06 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: Can I go back a bit? Is appreciating the culture necessary to successfully learn the language? #eltchat |
| FarnhamCastle |
2:06 PM |
RT @LizziePinard: language is part of culture #eltchat <-culture is part of language |
| DaveDodgson |
2:06 PM |
By @yearinthelifeof 3 cunning ways to make your handouts as eco-friendly as possible: My 'tree huggin' ... http://bit.ly/lYOpgE #ELTchat |
| LizziePinard |
2:07 PM |
RT @JoeMcVeigh: #eltchat I don't think we can say that culture IS language and vice-versa. They are important parts of each other and are closely related. |
| JoeMcVeigh |
2:07 PM |
#eltchat I don't think we can say that culture IS language and vice-versa. They are important parts of each other and are closely related. |
| mkofab |
2:07 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal I think appreciating the culture is necessary and it can be a very powerful motivator #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2:07 PM |
language and culture are intertwined, surely. simple example: number of naval expressions in Brit English, or idiomatic sayings #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:07 PM |
@FarnhamCastle @LizziePinard both ways it works i think #eltchat |
| JoHart |
2:07 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal appreciateing culture helps in learning the nuances of language ie a second lang but not always need fro foreign lang #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
2:07 PM |
RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat so English as part of English culture but also part of the cultures that have absorbed it and made all different englishes? |
| JoeMcVeigh |
2:08 PM |
So how do you see intercultural differences helping/hindering your teaching? #ELTchat |
| cherrymp |
2:08 PM |
@pjgallantry true #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2:08 PM |
@LizziePinard The language is a reflection of the international status that the Eng. had (have?), and our thieving nature! #eltchat |
| Vimpela |
2:08 PM |
RT @sjhannam: @harrisonmike @rliberni @LizziePinard #eltchat English is pan-cultural and yes I think this is a good thing Mike |
| WavenyEd |
2:08 PM |
#eltchat how culture affects teaching: learner expectations and language use. Culture affects directness and politeness |
| sjhannam |
2:08 PM |
@harrisonmike @rliberni @LizziePinard #eltchat English is pan-cultural and yes I think this is a good thing Mike |
| rliberni |
2:08 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal not sure that it is really but it does add a dimension which might help #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2:08 PM |
English language is also informed by the number of different cultures it has interacted with - look at borrowed words #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
2:08 PM |
For example, knowing that students don't show readiness to start class by making eye helps me teach :) #eltchat |
| Vimpela |
2:08 PM |
Most of the times that hints of cultur includd in our lessons are the most appreciated parts by our students, so they're important #eltchat |
| aClilToClimb |
2:08 PM |
RT @barbsaka: Do cultural differences matter in teaching English? http://bit.ly/l8yHmq #eltchat #jalt #efl |
| Shaunwilden |
2:09 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal I don't think you have to love the people but can love the language #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
2:09 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal Lots of students love the language but aren't fans of the speakers :) #eltchat |
| JoHart |
2:09 PM |
#eltchat we differentiate different Englishes & diff cultures - how far down do we drill is dialect symtomatic of diff culture? |
| timjulian60 |
2:09 PM |
It's essential to understand Ss reasons 4 learning Eng – ESP ss mightn't want to learn about Guy Fawkes or Xmas in UK, others might #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
2:09 PM |
#eltchat can affect class if students are of a culture where they dont like to speak up and emphasise reading/writing/grammar approach? |
| rliberni |
2:09 PM |
@harrisonmike I have to admit sometimes to feeling 'de-culturised' in terms of English language #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
2:09 PM |
@sjhannam It's got some slightly negative side effects tho, don't it? English as pan-cultural #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:09 PM |
RT @barbsaka: I think we're talking about 3 different ways of using culture here--artifacts, norms, and language-influence #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
2:09 PM |
I think we're talking about 3 different ways of using culture here--artifacts, norms, and language-influence #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
2:09 PM |
In essensence I am asking - Can I learn English successfully and not care for the English-speaking countries? #eltchat |
| MrFoteah |
2:09 PM |
RT @cioccas: RT @barbsaka: Do cultural differences matter in teaching English? http://bit.ly/l8yHmq #eltchat |
| JoHart |
2:10 PM |
@timjulian60 If learning Eng to live in Eng then need those if learning to live in Aus or US don't need #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:10 PM |
RT @sjhannam: #eltchat our confusion for me is the essence of the problem. 'cultural' is being used in multitude of ways. Difficult to pin down |
| barbsaka |
2:10 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal Not especially. #eltchat |
| sjhannam |
2:10 PM |
#eltchat our confusion for me is the essence of the problem. 'cultural' is being used in multitude of ways. Difficult to pin down |
| OUPELTGlobal |
2:10 PM |
@barbsaka does that affect their learning? #eltchat |
| eMCDesignLtd |
2:10 PM |
@ELTchat looking forward to todays chat #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
2:10 PM |
RT @barbsaka: @OUPELTGlobal Lots of students love the language but aren't fans of the speakers :) #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
2:11 PM |
Cultural artifacts is when we have a holiday party, bring in L2 artifacts, or ask students to teach us about their culture (in Eng) #eltchat |
| WavenyEd |
2:11 PM |
@JoeMcVeigh culture affects pragmatic understanding, making your received meaning differ from your intended meaning. #eltchat |
| Moacir2 |
2:11 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @OUPELTGlobal I don't think you have to love the people but can love the language #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2:11 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal Sice Eng is no longer just the domain of the native speaking countries, I can't see why that wouldn't be possible. #eltchat |
| sjhannam |
2:11 PM |
@timjulian60 #eltchat do those things represent UK 'culture'? |
| rliberni |
2:11 PM |
@timjulian60 thois is true these are not imp to learning the language but seem to be integral still to other languages (in UK) #eltchat |
| xsgalli |
2:11 PM |
RT @englishattack: When being a Native Speaker isn't good enough. #esl #efl #eltchat #iatefl #accent #elt http://bit.ly/jl7upk |
| harrisonmike |
2:12 PM |
@barbsaka Can also be useful in understanding current affairs in countries different to our own. #eltchat |
| JoeMcVeigh |
2:12 PM |
#ELTchat One aspect is nonverbal comm.. E.g. eye contact, standing distance, firmness of handshake, gestures. Do you teach this? I do. |
| yitzha_sarwono |
2:12 PM |
RT @barbsaka: I think we're talking about 3 different ways of using culture here--artifacts, norms, and language-influence #eltchat |
| JoHart |
2:12 PM |
@sjhannam @Shaunwilden #eltchat imho culture is always difficult to pin down language less so - this may be why often used to impluy culture |
| LizziePinard |
2:12 PM |
#eltchat culture could be v important in business classes, since if they have to do cross cultural negotiation, need to understand nuances |
| Shaunwilden |
2:12 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @OUPELTGlobal Sice Eng is no longer just the domain of the native speaking countries, I can't see why that wouldn't be possible. #eltchat |
| KarenInGreece |
2:12 PM |
RT @rogerjfrank: RT @barbsaka: advantages of #bilingualism (there are a lot!) http://nyti.ms/mfEDMJ via NYT #eltchat |
| AndreaBudding |
2:12 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Voting is now open for Wednesday's #eltchat http://bit.ly/lq517g |
| JoHart |
2:13 PM |
@JoeMcVeigh #eltchat for me non-verbal comm is part of language as well as part of culture so we have overlap |
| Shaunwilden |
2:13 PM |
RT @JoeMcVeigh: #ELTchat One aspect is nonverbal comm.. eye contact, standing distance, firmness of handshake, gestures. |
| barbsaka |
2:13 PM |
Cultural norms=students not willing to sit on floor, or sit next to other gender, etc. Lack of T awareness can derail class #eltchat |
| fionamau |
2:13 PM |
RT @FarnhamCastle: RT @LizziePinard: language is part of culture #eltchat <-culture is part of language |
| sjhannam |
2:13 PM |
@timjulian60 #exactly. Those are just pocket sized cultural bites which are not always of interest to S's! #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:13 PM |
cultural issues can be v.imp when dealing with things like how stds approach writing or register or using forms of address #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
2:14 PM |
@rliberni I think English itself is a culture n my teaching involves it coz somehow it connects #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
2:14 PM |
RT @cherrymp: culture can even affect students attitude towards making/correcting mistakes #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
2:14 PM |
Norms :) RT @cherrymp: culture can even affect students attitude towards making/correcting mistakes #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:14 PM |
RT @barbsaka: Cultural norms - . Lack of T awareness can derail class #eltchat Yes new teachers should always be made aware of these things |
| harrisonmike |
2:14 PM |
Or even how students indicate 'yes' & 'no' @rliberni - Sri Lankans nod 4 'no' & shake head 4 'yes'. Confusing in my 1st yr of ESOL! #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:14 PM |
culture can even affect students attitude towards making/correcting mistakes #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
2:14 PM |
RT @JoHart: @JoeMcVeigh #eltchat for me non-verbal comm is part of language as well as part of culture so we have overlap |
| Moacir2 |
2:14 PM |
#eltchat culture+language are totally intertwined.can't have 1 without the other.sense of humor or lack thereof will show in the lang. |
| barbsaka |
2:15 PM |
language influence=a different way of viewing position/location makes it a challenge to teach prepositions :) #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:15 PM |
@timjulian60 it's quite common in south east asia #eltchat |
| sjhannam |
2:15 PM |
@harrisonmike #eltchat negative why? People using to create their own meaning most of the time and embedded in their own cultural ref |
| timjulian60 |
2:15 PM |
@cherrymp yep, had experience of this teaching naval officers #eltchat |
| bamarcia |
2:15 PM |
RT @rliberni: cultural issues very imp when dealing w things like how stds approach writing or register or using forms of address #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:15 PM |
The whole area of originality in writing, structuring essays, or doing a spking exam (some cultures won't look at the examiner) #eltchat |
| JoeMcVeigh |
2:15 PM |
@rliberni #ELTchat yes, lots of cultural differences in writing structure as noted in contrastive rhetoric research by Kaplan, Connor, etc. |
| yitzha_sarwono |
2:16 PM |
@LizziePinard When learning some phrases,we are engaging in the culture itself,cause they have history in them #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:16 PM |
language relates to one's e'day realities - students can come up asking for english equivalents things that they see around #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:16 PM |
@harrisonmike often it's a good thing it praises your 'betters' and gets you a good mark! #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
2:16 PM |
I certainly think a sts' own culture is influential in the way they learn #eltchat |
| sjhannam |
2:16 PM |
@Shaunwilden @barbsaka #eltchat prob is that sometimes informing t's about cultural difference = inferring stereotypes. how 2 avoid? |
| JoHart |
2:16 PM |
@Moacir2 Agree at "living in a language" level eg migrant but not always for visitor - diff between ESL and EFL #eltchat |
| WavenyEd |
2:16 PM |
RT @cherrymp: culture can even affect students attitude towards making/correcting mistakes #eltchat |
| timjulian60 |
2:16 PM |
@rliberni or address everthing to examiner instead of other candidate #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:16 PM |
@JoeMcVeigh true, I think these things have to be part and parcel of how we teach we need to be aware #eltchat |
| Moacir2 |
2:16 PM |
@theteacherjames despite the global of English,it still reflects strongly US/UK values #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
2:16 PM |
@rliberni Dealing with plagiarism too. Seems in some cultures that this is not considered as a bad thing #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
2:16 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @vickyloras: Making Student-Centred Dogme Student-Friendly: http://t.co/SPAxgtk #eltchat #dogme - great post |
| sjhannam |
2:17 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal #eltchat and T's 'culture' central to the way they teach and understand their students |
| cherrymp |
2:17 PM |
@barbsaka v true #eltchat coz in many cases it's not there in the english language #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
2:17 PM |
Me too RT @JoeMcVeigh: #ELTchat One aspect is nonverbal comm.. E.g. eye contact, standing distance, firmness of handshake, gestures. Do you |
| timjulian60 |
2:17 PM |
@harrisonmike Italians often have a very relaxed attitude to what a Brit would call "cheating" #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:17 PM |
@timjulian60 true ther's a feeling that the other candidate will spoil their chances - lots of culture ti unpack here! #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
2:17 PM |
@cherrymp And sometimes there is no equivalent :) #eltchat |
| mkofab |
2:17 PM |
@cherrymp Agree. I notice also very different grading systems. My int students r often disappointed by Flemish system of grading #eltchat |
| mkofab |
2:18 PM |
My ss often sound 'rude' in English . "I want to" inst of "I'd like to" etc. Not enough P's&Q's. I mention culture then |
| JoeMcVeigh |
2:18 PM |
#ELTchat Here's a link to my TESOL 2010 presentation on 10 Techniques for Teaching Tulture on slideshare: http://slidesha.re/iomoxz |
| yitzha_sarwono |
2:18 PM |
It is ^^ RT @cherrymp: @timjulian60 it's quite common in south east asia #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:18 PM |
@mkofab mmm and students have -ve attitudes towards making mistakes - considering it dumb or stupid #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2:18 PM |
@Moacir2 True, & as a Brit I'm always concerned about committing cultural imperialism by stealth. #eltchat |
| sjhannam |
2:18 PM |
@harrisonmike @rliberni why? do you feel usurped? I feel enriched #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
2:18 PM |
RT @pysproblem81: Anyone mentioned Hofstede's dimensions of culture yet? http://bit.ly/mngqfs (more detail: http://bit.ly/mngqfs) #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
2:18 PM |
@timjulian60 Aah, in sport and studies equally? #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
2:18 PM |
#eltchat - found it very interesting, but think it's a bit discredited... |
| rliberni |
2:18 PM |
RT @pysproblem81: Anyone mentioned Hofstede's dimensions of culture yet? |
| barbsaka |
2:18 PM |
@pysproblem81 No. thanks for bringing it in! #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
2:18 PM |
Anyone mentioned Hofstede's dimensions of culture yet? |
| Shaunwilden |
2:18 PM |
@sjhannam Fair point but i think it's imp to give some guidance e.g this is how the education system works here so expect this/that #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:18 PM |
RT @timjulian60: @harrisonmike Italians often have a very relaxed attitude to what a Brit would call "cheating" #eltchat |
| CeciELT |
2:18 PM |
RT @rliberni: ELTMentor kicks off tomorrow still time to sign up for 1st session! http://bit.ly/mukGOF #eltchat #teachers #edchat #efl #esl #esol |
| cherrymp |
2:18 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Voting is now open for Wednesday's #eltchat http://bit.ly/lq517g |
| barbsaka |
2:19 PM |
series of blog posts on culture by @Barrytomalin http://bit.ly/ip02YD #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
2:19 PM |
Hear hear ^^ RT @OUPELTGlobal: I certainly think a sts' own culture is influential in the way they learn #eltchat |
| sjhannam |
2:19 PM |
@Shaunwilden Agreed. But this needs approaching carefully, I've only seen it being done superficially #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
2:19 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @sjhannam Fair point but i think it's imp to give some guidance e.g this is how the education system works here so expect this/that #eltchat |
| Moacir2 |
2:19 PM |
@JoeMcVeigh #eltchat different body languages. I teach that too.but more of cultural info than practice.especially if Ss don't travel abroad |
| FannyFloSan |
2:19 PM |
RT @FarnhamCastle: RT @LizziePinard: language is part of culture #eltchat <-culture is part of language |
| FOCITurkey |
2:19 PM |
RT @DaveDodgson: By @yearinthelifeof 3 cunning ways to make your handouts as eco-friendly as possible: My 'tree huggin' ... http://bit.ly/lYOpgE #ELTchat |
| bamarcia |
2:20 PM |
#ELTchat via @JoeMacveigh's TESOL 2010 presentation on 10 Techniques for Teaching Culture http://slidesha.re/iomoxz > great, thx 4 sharing! |
| LizziePinard |
2:20 PM |
RT @yitzha_sarwono: Hear hear ^^ RT @OUPELTGlobal: I certainly think a sts' own culture is influential in the way they learn #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:20 PM |
@LizziePinard v much :) #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
2:20 PM |
RT @pysproblem81: Anyone mentioned Hofstede's dimensions of culture yet? |
| LizziePinard |
2:20 PM |
@yitzha_sarwono #eltchat yes, idioms, stories. metaphors, proverbs etc the language is entiwined with culture... |
| timjulian60 |
2:20 PM |
@harrisonmike let's not go there! :) #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:20 PM |
RT @barbsaka: series of blog posts on culture by @Barrytomalin http://bit.ly/ip02YD #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
2:20 PM |
There's an #elf point here... should we be teaching a common culture? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:20 PM |
@sjhannam we have been told that we should adapt our language to international standards which I find quite insulting #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:20 PM |
@mkofab v true - students pick up d matter not d manner #eltchat |
| GatewaytoSkills |
2:20 PM |
Online quiz on some funny #idioms http://ht.ly/51Ynr #grammar #elearning #mlearning #engchat #isedchat #eltchat #edchat #ukedchat |
| sjhannam |
2:21 PM |
@harrisonmike #eltchat no it enables us to use language to explore those differences better. We sd also be learning other languages IMO |
| timjulian60 |
2:21 PM |
RT @mkofab: My ss often sound 'rude' in English . "I want to" inst of "I'd like to" etc. Not enough P's&Q's. agree. |
| rliberni |
2:21 PM |
@pysproblem81 what would that be - sounds a bit like Brave New World or 1984 - vive la difference - non? #eltchat |
| sjhannam |
2:21 PM |
@rliberni #eltchat this is very unlikely based on the dynamic nature of language. But why insulting? |
| harrisonmike |
2:21 PM |
@sjhannam Not usurped. Just if English is pan-cultural doesn't tht detract frm all that makes us diff & what I find truly enriching #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2:21 PM |
is it possible to teach/ learn a language in a culturally 'neutral' way? surely not! #eltchat |
| fionamau |
2:22 PM |
RT @JoeMcVeigh: #ELTchat One aspect is nonverbal comm.. E.g. eye contact, standing distance, firmness of handshake, gestures. Do you teach this? I do. |
| harrisonmike |
2:22 PM |
@sjhannam So a negative on part of Brits - we don't do languages. Not sharing equally in this cultural exchange. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:22 PM |
RT @sjhannam: @marekandrews agreed. but this needs proper understanding, not just sound bites #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:22 PM |
RT @yitzha_sarwono: RT @barbsaka: series of blog posts on culture by @Barrytomalin http://bit.ly/ip02YD #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
2:22 PM |
@timjulian60 Sts' focus on language can make them sound too direct, a cultural aspect may help? #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
2:22 PM |
RT @barbsaka: series of blog posts on culture by @Barrytomalin http://bit.ly/ip02YD #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:22 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @Moacir2 I try to make sure it comes from the Sts & what they are curious about, as opposed to me imposing my tastes upon them. #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
2:22 PM |
#eltchat re sounding rude etc, v important in business class to discuss different cultures to enable successful comms and negotiation |
| Shaunwilden |
2:22 PM |
RT @marekandrews: lack of knowledge of learning culture of the institution you work in often leads to misunderstandings+conflict #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:22 PM |
@sjhannam I agree - but this is my mother tongue and I have a great affection for it over and above being a teacher #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2:22 PM |
@Moacir2 I try to make sure it comes from the Sts & what they are curious about, as opposed to me imposing my tastes upon them. #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
2:22 PM |
@LizziePinard I'm still on my way home.joining #eltchat from my phone! Glad seeing you :-) |
| cherrymp |
2:23 PM |
@pjgallantry or thank you or ath that sound being formal #eltchat |
| sjhannam |
2:23 PM |
@harrisonmike #eltchat totally. cultural difference as a term is not applied fairly |
| LizziePinard |
2:23 PM |
@yitzha_sarwono your phone is cleverer than my old nokia then! ;) #eltchat glad to see you too! |
| marekandrews |
2:23 PM |
@sjhannam @Shaunwilden lack of knowledge of learning culture of the institution u work in often leads to misunderstandings+conflict #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:23 PM |
RT @barbsaka: Seems like most of the discussion is about cultural norms so far--How can we use awareness of norms (T and !) to our advantage? #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2:23 PM |
Students find the English frequent use of 'sorry' in social sitns strange and amusing...#eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:23 PM |
cultural shocks too #eltchat |
| sjhannam |
2:23 PM |
@rliberni #eltchat we all do. but why would making yourself more widely understood be an insult? I don't get that |
| barbsaka |
2:23 PM |
Seems like most of the discussion is about cultural norms so far--How can we use awareness of norms (T and !) to our advantage? #eltchat |
| fionamau |
2:24 PM |
#eltchat :-( Trying to lurk but phone making it impossible, & now been called away. Enjoy the rest of the chat - I'll catch up w/ summary |
| JoeMcVeigh |
2:24 PM |
RT @cherrymp: culture shock too #eltchat >> yes, valuable to teach stages of cultural adjustment to students traveling internationally |
| timjulian60 |
2:24 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal yes, but feel this usually comes better from the teacher than the coursebook #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2:24 PM |
@marekandrews that's true of any company, isn't it? not necessarily because in different lang #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2:24 PM |
@pysproblem81 Since I don't believe that common culture exists, how can we teach it? #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:24 PM |
it's not about judging cultures - but more of understanding and appreciating #eltchat |
| sjhannam |
2:24 PM |
@Shaunwilden @marekandrews #eltchat Shaun corrected my spelling. Once an English teacher..... : ) |
| harrisonmike |
2:24 PM |
@pjgallantry And politeness? When I learnt Spanish I was told that gracias = thank you very much. Rarely used in all situations #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
2:24 PM |
RT @JoeMcVeigh: #ELTchat Here's a link to my TESOL 2010 presentation on 10 Techniques for Teaching Tulture on... http://slidesha.re/iomoxz |
| rliberni |
2:25 PM |
RT @marekandrews: @sjhannam @Shaunwilden lack of knowledge of learning culture of the institution u work in often leads to misunderstandings+conflict #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
2:25 PM |
RT @pjgallantry: ..to many ss, Brit English can sound insincere precisely because of the number of polite phrases we use #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:25 PM |
@sjhannam I don't understand why I cannot just speak British English, why do I need to use a decaffeinated version of it? #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:25 PM |
@JoeMcVeigh even to teachers - handling very polite students was a challenge for me in #myanmar #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2:25 PM |
..to many ss, Brit English can sound insincere precisely because of the number of polite phrases we use #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
2:25 PM |
Using cultural norms/differences to advantage--compare/contrast. My Ss had most wonderful class comparing public toilet norms #eltchat |
| sjhannam |
2:25 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal @timjulian60 some EL1 speakers sound direct too. So how widely is this a cultural 'norm' #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
2:25 PM |
@barbsaka Ss norms can inform our teaching - but we should inform learners of other existant norms #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
2:25 PM |
@sjhannam Is this a cause of a number of problems round the world then?? Hmm perhaps too much for this #eltchat, that mite b #politicschat!! |
| JoHart |
2:25 PM |
@Shaunwilden can't give much expectation info until understanding reaches a degree of sophisitication #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:26 PM |
RT @teflgeek: #eltchat - are we not getting close to discussing Intercultural Communication (ICC) skills and needs? |
| theteacherjames |
2:26 PM |
@pjgallantry Culturally neutral? Sounds awful. Culture provides us with content. It should be about which cultures we reflect. #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2:26 PM |
#eltchat cultural norms e.g.s - is spitting acceptable? should you make a noise while eating? should you shake hands with the left hand? |
| mkofab |
2:26 PM |
@LizziePinard Agree.Ss like that.Most never heard of Hofstede, Lewis etc. They love it.Should be part of evbdy's education I think #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
2:26 PM |
#eltchat - are we not getting close to discussing Intercultural Communication (ICC) skills and needs? |
| cherrymp |
2:26 PM |
@barbsaka that's a good idea - works v well in multicultural classes or just a simple comparison b'w eng and home cul vl do #eltchat |
| sjhannam |
2:26 PM |
@rliberni #eltchat I don't see non-native varieites as decaffinated. Have I misunderstood you? |
| barbsaka |
2:26 PM |
@pysproblem81 Absolutely. Students need to understand where I'm coming from as much as I need to know where they are #eltchat |
| Moacir2 |
2:26 PM |
#eltchat as a L2 learner I fell in love with English but find it impossible to dissociate it from values. Better embrace them when suitable |
| OUPELTGlobal |
2:26 PM |
@timjulian60 Good point. I think culture comes from the teacher as they know their sts and their culture better.Took it for granted #eltchat |
| Vimpela |
2:26 PM |
RT @pjgallantry: ..to many ss, Brit English can sound insincere precisely because of the number of polite phrases we use #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
2:26 PM |
RT @pysproblem81: @barbsaka Ss norms can inform our teaching - but we should inform learners of other existant norms #eltchat |
| tekteech7 |
2:26 PM |
RT @barbsaka: RT @shamblesguru: If you're a teacher with and iPad you might like to grab an invite to ShowMe! http://bit.ly/j2nXTI #eltchat #jalt |
| barbsaka |
2:27 PM |
@cherrymp They had a lot of data and strong opinions--world travelers :) #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2:27 PM |
@pysproblem81 Give me a minute to wrap my head around that idea! ;-) #eltchat |
| eltbakery |
2:27 PM |
Working with stereotypes is a good option since ss can discuss what they think is true and their own experiences w foreigners #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
2:27 PM |
@rilberni #eltchat who said you should use decaffeinated version and what does that entail? |
| OUPELTGlobal |
2:27 PM |
@rliberni decaffeinated English? I like that any sof, light English out there anywhere? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:27 PM |
@pjgallantry now that sounds like a cultural mis-understanding to me creating a stereotype which is what we need to avoid #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
2:27 PM |
@theteacherjames teach to avoid the conflicts that may arise due to its absence (I don't believe it exists either) #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:27 PM |
IATEFL News http://bit.ly/l9xoWG #eltchat #elt #efl #tefl #tesol |
| rliberni |
2:28 PM |
@sjhannam I'm talking about 'International English' not other varieties & the fact that some ppl think we should all learn it #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
2:28 PM |
Might be good to bring the culture discussion back to the classroom. How does all this help us teach? #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
2:28 PM |
@barbsaka also depends what you prepare Ss for - if preparing for life in UK/US etc - then L2 culture v.important, less so if not #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2:28 PM |
@pjgallantry A void? #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:28 PM |
@barbsaka that is a resource which teacher can tap into :) #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2:28 PM |
@theteacherjames absolutely! what would the world look like without a cultural perspective? #eltchat |
| sjhannam |
2:28 PM |
@timjulian60 depends on which variety though doesn't it? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2:28 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: @sjhannam So a negative on part of Brits - we don't do languages. Not sharing equally in this cultural exchange. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:28 PM |
RT @cherrymp: cultural understanding is all about acknowledging and appreciating differences - not condemning ath #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:28 PM |
cultural understanding is all about acknowledging and appreciating differences - not condemning ath #eltchat |
| JoHart |
2:28 PM |
@rliberni @sjhannam we all need to code switch our frmss of Eng - I too speak Brit Eng but switch to more Aus for my lit stdnts #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
2:29 PM |
@Shaunwilden ELF or EIL I think, Shaun. @rliberni and @sjhannam discussing pan-culturalism of English language #eltchat |
| timjulian60 |
2:29 PM |
@sjhannam sure but "I don't suppose you could possibly pass me a pen could you?" is v unlikely in spoken Italian, normal in Eng #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
2:29 PM |
@marekandrews Can you give an example of activating, Mark? #eltchat |
| Moacir2 |
2:29 PM |
#eltchat can we go overboard political correctness and teach Ss just lang formulas depleted of all value? |
| Shaunwilden |
2:29 PM |
RT @marekandrews: and if the culture of the learners is accessed+activated in lessons,it will usually be an advantage for the "success" of the lesson #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
2:29 PM |
#eltchat maybe culture is one of the many vehicles we can use to transport language to our students? |
| teflgeek |
2:29 PM |
@cherrymp #eltchat - therefore teaching is all about giving learners tools and abilities to do that? |
| Shaunwilden |
2:29 PM |
RT @barbsaka: Might be good to bring the culture discussion back to the classroom. How does all this help us teach? #eltchat |
| marekandrews |
2:29 PM |
and if the culture of the learners is accessed+activated in lessons,it will usually be an advantage for the "success" of the lesson #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:29 PM |
c how english has got adapted in many countries - in a way that's always the power of english #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:29 PM |
RT @barbsaka: Might be good to bring the culture discussion back to the classroom. How does all this help us teach? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:29 PM |
I missed the thread re #eltchat and decaffeinated version ...... |
| cherrymp |
2:29 PM |
IATEFL Teacher Development SIG #Bibliography found at http://bit.ly/lAN3zT #eltchat #tefl #elt #tesol #efl #pd |
| marekandrews |
2:30 PM |
@barbsaka by getting students to talk about their own culture and role play how they would explain it to ss from other cultures #eltchat |
| JoHart |
2:30 PM |
@harrisonmike @sjhannam @theteacherjames is (to our misfortune) our cultrl backgrnd not to hve desprt need another lang or exposuse #eltchat |
| sjhannam |
2:30 PM |
@rliberni #eltchat there isn't 1 international variety or 1 variety of British English. Language too dynamic for this. d'u mean a standard? |
| GatewaytoSkills |
2:30 PM |
Great idea to spice up your lesson – set up a #Grammar Court in class http://ht.ly/51Z06 #engchat #edchat #isedchat #hsc #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:30 PM |
@teflgeek can v reduce teaching to set of things - isn't it more with these too? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:30 PM |
@JoHart I agree I'm referring to a few of articles which said that native speakers should also be taught International English #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
2:30 PM |
A japanese talking to a German, any culture here? which? assumng the language is English. #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2:30 PM |
#eltchat I find stereotypes can be a good starting point for discussion about cultural norms and misperceptions |
| rliberni |
2:31 PM |
@sjhannam there is a kind of standard in ELF and EIL no problem with these except I don't feel the need to speak them #eltchat |
| JoeMcVeigh |
2:31 PM |
Literature and film can be valuable tools for exploring culture. #ELTchat Fun Clip on Ethiopian /US courting http://youtu.be/OODRl4Q92ko |
| cherrymp |
2:31 PM |
@sjhannam @rliberni haven't v left dis std english debate long back? englishes - let's give credit to that reality #eltchat |
| eltbakery |
2:31 PM |
I agree! It's an excellent way to enrich our lessons and transport language to our ss @LizziePinard #eltchat |
| marekandrews |
2:31 PM |
@barbsaka that would be in a monolingual situation, with multillingual groups u don't need the role play #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
2:31 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal #eltchat - in this situation, both participants move into the third space, which is dominated by neither. |
| theteacherjames |
2:31 PM |
@JoHart @harrisonmike @sjhannam It's true, & we don't realise how much we are missing out on. #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
2:31 PM |
@barbsaka:using awareness of norms to our advantage: here,as politeness is part of our culture,it'll help to introduce better term #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
2:31 PM |
RT @CliveSir #rscon3 schedule is filling up! Presenters get yrselves scheduled asap to avoid disappointment! #edchat #ukedchat #elt #ELTChat |
| breathyvowel |
2:32 PM |
@marekandrews Agree about learners culture access. One of my best classes was learners talking me through Korean dramas. #eltchat |
| JoHart |
2:32 PM |
@rliberni #eltchat think Int Eng is a bit sterile lacking idiom etc |
| Vimpela |
2:32 PM |
The Simpsons are a great way to explore the USA culture with humour #eltchat We saw a lot of American Presidents using them |
| timjulian60 |
2:32 PM |
I always insist to stds that it's not that Brits are "more polite" it's that we show politeness in different ways. #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
2:32 PM |
@teflgeek so no cultural context? #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:32 PM |
@JoeMcVeigh v good point - i appreciated d local cul v much after reading d local literature :) #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
2:32 PM |
@JoHart Strange for a nation that once travelled and conquered the world. But then conquerers rarely assimilate language (?) =( #eltchat |
| timjulian60 |
2:33 PM |
@JoeMcVeigh yes, that too #eltchat |
| cunningcanis |
2:33 PM |
RT @Vimpela: The Simpsons are a great way to explore the USA culture with humour #eltchat We saw a lot of American Presidents using them |
| barbsaka |
2:33 PM |
@CoffeeAddictMe Culture #eltchat |
| marekandrews |
2:33 PM |
key is how to help students to negotiate cultural misunderstandings, you can never eliminate them #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:33 PM |
@barbsaka yes there was - can't remember when #eltchat |
| JoHart |
2:33 PM |
@harrisonmike #eltchat as you say initially seems strange but not really |
| eltbakery |
2:33 PM |
To discuss national stereotypes in a light and fun way, you can use this short vid http://youtu.be/NH3pzpC08jM #eltchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe |
2:33 PM |
can someone update me on what the chat is about today? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:33 PM |
@harrisonmike if we look back in history we did learn and speak languages I think our lack of them now is the rise of ELF #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:33 PM |
@vimpela multimedia tools - wt better ways to get culture live in d CR? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2:33 PM |
@barbsaka On a basic level, culture provides us with the content to build a lesson around. I don't how it's possible without it. #eltchat |
| JoeMcVeigh |
2:33 PM |
RT @timjulian60: it's that we show politeness in different ways. #eltchat >> Or dif concepts of what politeness consists of? |
| barbsaka |
2:33 PM |
@rliberni @Shaunwilden Wasn't there an #eltchat on ELF and EIL? Can't find the summary to pass on... |
| pjgallantry |
2:33 PM |
#eltchat to what degree do you think elt practitioners are good (or bad!) 'amabassadors' of our different cultures? |
| cherrymp |
2:33 PM |
ELT Bibliographies http://bit.ly/mhyd56 #eltchat #efl #tefl #eltchat #pd #Bibliography #Bibliography |
| JoHart |
2:34 PM |
@LibraryDenc I would lie down roll over and expect them to "tickle my tummy" LOL #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
2:34 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal #eltchat - no, because you always bring your culture with you, it's more being aware that you do this and stepping beyond it |
| eltbakery |
2:34 PM |
@pjgallantry If they have travelled and have experienced a new culture, they can be excellent ambassadors. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:34 PM |
@JoHart me too hence my horror at the idea of teaching it to kids in schools here! #eltchat |
| Moacir2 |
2:34 PM |
#eltchat I think culture will go to Ss whenever we use authentic material ranging from politics,sex scandals even how tv soaps differ. |
| sjhannam |
2:34 PM |
@rliberni #eltchat I'm not sure that there is a clear set of "rules" on what that variety is anyway. There are international English(es) |
| LizziePinard |
2:34 PM |
#eltchat how to use culture to enhance teaching...idea: use literature from various L1 English countries as vehicle too, also compare etc |
| mkofab |
2:34 PM |
@timjulian60 Exactly. That is what I believe and tell ss #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:34 PM |
RT @barbsaka: @rliberni Wasn't there an #eltchat on ELF and EIL? Can't find the summary to pass on... Yes there was will go find it |
| teflgeek |
2:35 PM |
@cherrymp #eltchat - not a set of things, but a set of abilities, competencies to be developed |
| eltbakery |
2:35 PM |
True RT @marekandrews key is how to help students to negotiate cultural misunderstandings, you can never eliminate them #eltchat |
| sjhannam |
2:35 PM |
@rliberni @harrisonmike We have not been good at language learning for most of modern history. Feature of conquering nations #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2:35 PM |
what about cultural differences within multinational classroom? how can this affect, or enhance, learning? #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
2:35 PM |
#eltchat compare L1 English lit from various countries with lit from L2 english |
| Shaunwilden |
2:35 PM |
RT @barbsaka: @rliberni Wasn't there an #eltchat on ELF and EIL? - Here is the summary for it http://bit.ly/gBCEon |
| theteacherjames |
2:35 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal Japanese and German cultures, expressed in a shared language. #eltchat |
| mgraffin |
2:35 PM |
RT @janetbianchini: RT @CliveSir #rscon3 schedule is filling up! Presenters get yrselves scheduled asap to avoid disappointment! #edchat #ukedchat #elt #ELTChat |
| barbsaka |
2:36 PM |
@Moacir2 Not to teach them the differences, but to let them use English to talk about the differences--context 4 language practice #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
2:36 PM |
RT @eltbakery: True RT @marekandrews key is how to help students to negotiate cultural misunderstandings, can never eliminate them #eltchat |
| eltbakery |
2:36 PM |
#eltchat how to use culture to enhance teaching...idea: Show headlines of online world newspapers and compare pieces of news. |
| barbsaka |
2:36 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Summary for #eltchat on International Englishes http://bit.ly/gBCEon |
| Moacir2 |
2:36 PM |
#eltchat I don't think we need to prepare a lesson to teach Ss eg the proper distance to talk to some1,to kiss on the cheek or not etc |
| rliberni |
2:36 PM |
@sjhannam @cherrymp this is not about stadrad english there was a suggestion that kids in UK, US etc.. should change to ELF - #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2:36 PM |
@pysproblem81 #eltchat Yes, make them aware of the space between them. Good point. |
| Shaunwilden |
2:36 PM |
RT @pjgallantry: what about cultural differences within multinational classroom? how can this affect, or enhance, learning? #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
2:37 PM |
About translation - but still relevant - Katan, David 'Translating Cultures' http://bit.ly/imYia8 #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:37 PM |
@JoHart we need to have a wide range and ELF will probably emerge - US English is more & more prev on TV, newspapers etc.. here #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
2:37 PM |
@Shaunwilden I think sts become better aware of different cultures and there's not a dominant one. Very important influence #eltchat |
| marekandrews |
2:37 PM |
RT @barbsaka: @Moacir2 Not to teach them the differences, but to let them use English to talk about the differences--context 4 language practice #eltchat |
| JoHart |
2:37 PM |
@rliberni if working with Indigenous stdnts I try to use Aus idiom & also with migrants as this is the cultur they will live in ..#eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:37 PM |
@teflgeek to do, to know > wnt things come under know? content #eltchat |
| marekandrews |
2:37 PM |
being sensitive to culture of ur learners,ur institution,the country u are working in should always help the learning #eltchat |
| JoeMcVeigh |
2:37 PM |
RT @pjgallantry: cultural differences within multinational classroom? > Good opportunity for discussion/presentations by students. #ELTchat |
| sjhannam |
2:37 PM |
@rliberni @cherrymp #eltchat more details please. Who suggested this? |
| theteacherjames |
2:38 PM |
@pjgallantry I'm wary of this idea of being an 'ambassador'. Our culture is already dominant enough without needing my support. #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
2:38 PM |
Teaching students (esp in native-speaking environs) v important. Otherwise sts can be gatekept. e.g. what to do in a job interview #eltchat |
| JoHart |
2:38 PM |
#eltchat surely the diff forms of Eng are akin top dialects & so would we wish to eradicate dialect ? |
| cherrymp |
2:38 PM |
@sjhannam @rliberni well i ddnt talk abt ELF - saw a posting on std english and replied #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:38 PM |
@Moacir2 Actually I have had to do lesson on this before, not regulary but the occasional sts seems to be unaware #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:39 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: Teaching students (esp in native-speaking environs) v important. #eltchat Yes i agree this is imp |
| JoHart |
2:39 PM |
#eltchat - I see all the time migrants who can write gd Eng but not cope with accent/dialect cos they have been taught sterile Eng |
| barbsaka |
2:39 PM |
@Moacir2 Sometimes. Depends if they're learning EFL and unlikely to travel, or ESL and have to deal w/those differences :- #eltchat |
| eltbakery |
2:39 PM |
In multinational classroom, I can only see this as a plus. The ss are our most powerful resource. #eltchat @pjgallantry |
| rliberni |
2:39 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: I mean teaching students what is expected culturally ** #eltchat (please see my previous tweet if ur writing summary LOL) |
| sjhannam |
2:39 PM |
RT @harrisonmike: Teaching students (esp in native-speaking environs) v important. Otherwise sts can be gatekept. e.g. what to do in a job interview #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
2:39 PM |
I mean teaching students what is expected culturally ** #eltchat (please see my previous tweet if ur writing summary LOL) |
| rliberni |
2:39 PM |
@cherrymp yes, we seem to be somewhere else now - no worries :-) #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
2:40 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal #eltchat "third place" - a vantage point from which the learner can understand and mediate betw… (cont) http://deck.ly/~hfK96 |
| rliberni |
2:40 PM |
RT @cherrymp: http://bit.ly/mPxh5f culture-the 5th language skill - interesting post #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:40 PM |
@harrisonmike I agree there are some things which stds need to change to take exams etc.. & if they live/work in UK, US etc. #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:40 PM |
http://bit.ly/mPxh5f culture-the 5th language skill - interesting post #eltchat |
| mkofab |
2:40 PM |
RT @eltbakery: In multinational classroom, I can only see this as a plus. The ss are our most powerful resource. #eltchat @pjgallantry |
| yitzha_sarwono |
2:40 PM |
I second that -)RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat maybe culture is one of the many vehicles we can use to transport language to our students? |
| sjhannam |
2:40 PM |
@harrisonmike #eltchat do you not find it difficult to advise on generic norms there Mike? I do sometimes |
| OUPELTGlobal |
2:41 PM |
@teflgeek interesting idea, thanks #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
2:41 PM |
Matters mostly in EFL (same L1) classes, but what about those cases where L1 culture interferes with language learning? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:41 PM |
RT @CoffeeAddictMe: I try to use Turkish culture in the classroom (stories, history, customs etc.) when teaching Eng. it's more fun 4 the kids. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:41 PM |
RT @JoeMcVeigh: I like this but am totally biased :-) Tips for Teaching Culture: Practical Approaches to Intercultural Comm: http://amzn.to/kaqRuQ #ELTchat |
| cherrymp |
2:41 PM |
cultural aspects in ELT http://bit.ly/kkM19a >another nice read of course after #eltchat |
| breathyvowel |
2:41 PM |
@theteacherjames @pjgallantry I think it depends on whether being an ambassador is +vly representing or pushing your culture. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:41 PM |
@sjhannam we were discussing these articles which appeared about 6 months or so ago - don't have the source to hand #eltchat |
| JoHart |
2:41 PM |
@eltbakery @pjgallantry @mkofab so much easier if stdts have no common lang except Eng :) #eltchat |
| JoeMcVeigh |
2:41 PM |
I like this but am totally biased :-) Tips for Teaching Culture: Practical Approaches to Intercultural Comm: http://amzn.to/kaqRuQ #ELTchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe |
2:41 PM |
I try to use Turkish culture in the classroom (stories, history, customs etc.) when teaching Eng. it's more fun 4 the kids. #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
2:41 PM |
RT @Blog4Edu: via @vickyloras An Interview with Sue Lyon-Jones | Brad Patterson’s Interview Challenge http://bit.ly/mmeqli #ELTChat |
| eltbakery |
2:42 PM |
@JoHart Absolutely True! #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:43 PM |
@CoffeeAddictMe use #eltchat hashtag if ur posting shud appear in the #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:43 PM |
RT @CoffeeAddictMe: #eltchat we don't teach british/am culture in Turkey - only theEng. lang It was diff. i… (cont) http://deck.ly/~3hWqS |
| barbsaka |
2:43 PM |
There was some nice discussion about culture affecting language with one of my recent posts: http://bit.ly/l8yHmq #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
2:43 PM |
@sjhannam Yes! But very important 2 b aware of this: Celia Roberts Lang Migration and the Gatekeepers http://bit.ly/kHBu0m #eltchat #natecla |
| LizziePinard |
2:43 PM |
#eltchat why do certain peoples tweets not come through, i only ever see replies to them! guess i have to wait for transcript! |
| pjgallantry |
2:43 PM |
@JoHart @eltbakery @mkofab I was thinking about practical class management procs as well - sitting ss together etc #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2:43 PM |
RT @breathyvowel: @theteacherjames @pjgallantry I think it depends on whether being an ambassador is +vly representing or pushing your culture. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:43 PM |
@CoffeeAddictMe I agree when I taught in Indonesia I used English medium writers from Malaysia and Singapore much more accessible #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:44 PM |
@LizziePinard same here too - sth to do with the connection #eltchat |
| sjhannam |
2:44 PM |
@rliberni Wd like to see articles if you can find them as difficult to comment otherwise. Thx. After #eltchat |
| ___ |
2:44 PM |
RT @yitzha_sarwono: RT @barbsaka: There was some nice discussion about culture affecting language with one of my recent posts: http://bit.ly/l8yHmq #eltchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe |
2:44 PM |
@rliberni :yes, we try 2 use as much "Turkish" as we can. f.instance if we teach directions we use a map of the city we live in. #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
2:44 PM |
RT @barbsaka: There was some nice discussion about culture affecting language with one of my recent posts: http://bit.ly/l8yHmq #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
2:45 PM |
@CoffeeAddictMe I like the idea of using local culture in the lessons, place names, sts' names, local traditions, holidays, etc #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
2:45 PM |
@harrisonmike @sjhannam #eltchat Great research by Celia Roberts on Culture & gatekeeping in interviews: http://bit.ly/lflZkH |
| eltbakery |
2:45 PM |
@JoHart @mkofab When I was studying English in the UK, the T never let me sit next to another Brazilian. Think it's a good idea. #eltchat |
| JoHart |
2:45 PM |
Are you following the #eltchat # tag? @LizziePinard if not & u not following them u may not see their tweets |
| CoffeeAddictMe |
2:45 PM |
in Norway when they teach directions they usually use a streetmap of London :-) #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
2:45 PM |
For example, way of seeing location is opposite in Jpz/Eng, so English prepositions seem bass-ackwards to my students :) #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
2:45 PM |
@cherrymp #eltchat v frustrating to be missing stuff!! |
| BobK99 |
2:45 PM |
@sjhannam @rliberni #eltchat I think Berni's point is that she resents being told to dumb down .Whereas ...(1/2) |
| rliberni |
2:46 PM |
@CoffeeAddictMe interesting - I remember all c'books having bowler-hatted gents in the 70s #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:46 PM |
good pt - adapting things to suit the culture - so bid goodbye to tom and mary - usher in local names #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
2:46 PM |
@JoHart yes i am folling the #eltchat in tweetdeck by a search column |
| harrisonmike |
2:46 PM |
RT @pysproblem81: @harrisonmike @sjhannam #eltchat Gr8 research by Celia Roberts: Culture & gatekeeping in interviews: http://bit.ly/lflZkH |
| sjhannam |
2:46 PM |
@harrisonmike great source. Thx #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
2:47 PM |
@rliberni That's when they are to be avoided... #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:47 PM |
RT @rliberni: @CoffeeAddictMe I remember all c'books having bowler-hatted gents in the 70s #eltchat & we all drink tea and it rains alot |
| pjgallantry |
2:47 PM |
#eltchat what do you think about some students adopting English names? |
| theteacherjames |
2:47 PM |
@sjhannam @pjgallantry Imposition of culture makes me feel uncomfortable. Like @lclandfield's policy of banning celebs in his books #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:47 PM |
@sjhannam we did discuss this topic before there may be references in that summary #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
2:47 PM |
(2/2) @sjhannam @rliberni #eltchat ... saying, say, 'pharmacy' instead of 'chemist' is fine |
| JoHart |
2:47 PM |
@mkofab I am lit teacher who often has some ESL stdnts - find having only Eng as common lang increases comms #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:47 PM |
@LizziePinard Some people forget the hashtag so you only see the tweet if you're following them #eltchat |
| marekandrews |
2:48 PM |
major task of language learners is to define for themselves a 'third place' between cultures+ to feel comfortable there. Kramsch #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:48 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal true and actually these things no longer exist anyway #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
2:48 PM |
@pysproblem81 I only put up link 2 slides from #NATECLA #eltchat ur link v interesting - will read fully later |
| cherrymp |
2:48 PM |
@theteacherjames @sjhannam @pjgallantry any form of imposition results in resistance not acceptance #eltchat |
| sjhannam |
2:48 PM |
@theteacherjames @pjgallantry @lclandfield #eltchat me too. I avoid making essentialist statements about Britain wherever possible! |
| rliberni |
2:48 PM |
@Shaunwilden some truth in that Lol! :- #eltchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe |
2:48 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal : yes. that is a policy where I work. Whenever possible we use topics the students can relate to in their own cult. #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
2:48 PM |
@theteacherjames why is bringing culture into the classroom = imposition? #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2:49 PM |
you can't help bringing your cultural baggage into class with you: just be aware that only hand luggage is allowed in the lesson! #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2:49 PM |
@LizziePinard It isn't inherently, but if it isn't lead by sts needs or curiosity then I think it has some unfortunate overtones. #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
2:49 PM |
RT @eltbakery: @theteacherjames @LizziePinard Bringing culture is not an imposition if you listen, accept and respect ss' opinions. #eltchat |
| eltbakery |
2:49 PM |
@theteacherjames @LizziePinard Bringing culture is not an imposition if you listen, accept and respect ss' opinions. #eltchat |
| JoHart |
2:49 PM |
@LizziePinard -OK same as me - might just be too much in one go for yr API or connexn oops! #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:49 PM |
@Marisa_C catch up & welcome #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
2:49 PM |
@sjhannam @harrisonmike Definitely some similarities - a lot about social capital #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:49 PM |
RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat what do u think about students adopting English names? Alot of Asian sts do this, but they choose odd names ! |
| barbsaka |
2:49 PM |
down to our last 10 minutes here. What are our "takeaway" points about culture in language teaching? #eltchat |
| JoHart |
2:50 PM |
@LizziePinard have had occasional dropout in tweetdeck when convo going v fastbut not in #eltchat as in edchat agree v frustrating |
| CoffeeAddictMe |
2:50 PM |
@Shaunwilden @pjgallantry : terrible! its like when my Turkish fam. wanted to give me a Turkish name. aagh! I found it offensive. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:50 PM |
RT @sjhannam: @barbsaka #eltchat we all use the term culture differently so we need to 'check' how others are using it |
| Marisa_C |
2:50 PM |
@cherrymp too late i'm afraid - brain frazzled by now... :-) will do the transcript though @Shaunwilden #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
2:50 PM |
@barbsaka seems to me cultural is an important part of learning when it helps the sts communincate better. How's that? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2:50 PM |
RT @eltbakery: @theteacherjames @LizziePinard Bringing culture is not an imposition if you listen, accept and respect ss' opinions. #eltchat |
| sjhannam |
2:50 PM |
@barbsaka #eltchat we all use the term culture differently so we need to 'check' how others are using it |
| JoeMcVeigh |
2:50 PM |
#ELTchat can intercultural com. and ELT go beyond language 2 better understanding betwn people? Overly ambitious? http://slidesha.re/mulvkg |
| Shaunwilden |
2:50 PM |
@CoffeeAddictMe I hate that idiom, drives me nuts, adopt evil grin on face when sts proudly says it to me :-) #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
2:50 PM |
#eltchat i hope the transcript fills in all the missing bits... |
| CoffeeAddictMe |
2:51 PM |
@Shaunwilden :-) what about "it was a dark and stormy night" #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
2:51 PM |
Perfect! RT @OUPELTGlobal: @barbsaka Culture is an important part of learning when it helps the sts communincate better. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:51 PM |
RT @sjhannam: #eltchat we all use the term culture differently so we need to 'check' how others are using it-I think this is a imp takeaway |
| sjhannam |
2:51 PM |
@barbsaka 'cultural difference' is often applied to non-dominant cultures in a stereotyped way. We sd be wary of this #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:51 PM |
@Marisa_C ur call #eltchat |
| mkofab |
2:51 PM |
Get that chip of your shoulder, you English. Your rich culture can be the motivator for many students as it was for me in the 70s. #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
2:51 PM |
RT @timjulian60: I always insist to stds that it's not that Brits are "more polite" it's that we show politeness in different ways. #eltchat |
| marekandrews |
2:51 PM |
if we work on this" third place" btw cultures I don't think we will be "trapped" by either the learners' or the teacher's culture #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2:51 PM |
I've had Chinese students called Monty, Turbo and Nemesis! #eltchat |
| timjulian60 |
2:51 PM |
@Shaunwilden you saying that's not true Shaun? Strewth (tears up lesson plan) #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
2:51 PM |
Via @abfromz http://tinyurl.com/nz387n Arjana interviews @evab2001 for @Brad5patterson 's interview challenge - great interview! #ELTChat |
| theteacherjames |
2:52 PM |
@pjgallantry Eng names: I find that odd, & I don't like the idea that they have to adopt a new persona to speak the language. #eltchat |
| breathyvowel |
2:52 PM |
@pjgallantry Adopting English names is big in Korea. I don't like it, feels like the learners are losing their identity 2 lang. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:52 PM |
@sjhannam Completely agree #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
2:52 PM |
RT @sjhannam: @Shaunwilden @pjgallantry #eltchat I think we should try to learn student names as they are, not the changed version. |
| LizziePinard |
2:52 PM |
#eltchat im interested in learning about other cultures, im sure plenty students are too, esp if learning the language. .. |
| cherrymp |
2:52 PM |
@barbsaka @OUPELTGlobal Culture is an important part of learning when it helps the sts communincate better. #eltchat >a tool then NOT a trap |
| sjhannam |
2:52 PM |
@Shaunwilden @pjgallantry #eltchat I think we should try to learn student names as they are, not the changed version. |
| rliberni |
2:52 PM |
Gotta dash - my summary we need to be aware of things in the stds culture that mitigate against being gr8 performers in English #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
2:52 PM |
Yes! RT @sjhannam: 'cultural difference' is often applied to non-dominant cultures in a stereotyped way. We sd be wary of this #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
2:53 PM |
ok, must run, am doing summary tho! #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
2:53 PM |
Good one, @cherrymp "Culture is a tool, not a trap" #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:53 PM |
@sjhannam @Shaunwilden @pjgallantry #eltchat student names >good pt; bt wt if v end up mispronouncing causing embarrassment? #eltchat |
| JoeMcVeigh |
2:53 PM |
#ELTchat Have to go take son to school (8am here) but more ideas here: http://amzn.to/kaqRuQ Thanks everyone! |
| timjulian60 |
2:53 PM |
@sjhannam agree, smacks to me a bit of the slave name syndrome (tho obviously less offensive) #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
2:53 PM |
Better start packing to be ready to come back to UK tomorrow. By #eltchat enjoy the last 7 mins |
| sjhannam |
2:53 PM |
Thanks everyone at #eltchat. Really enjoyed it. Over and out from Thessaloniki xx |
| CoffeeAddictMe |
2:53 PM |
@BobK99 :-) #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
2:53 PM |
Absolutely! RT @sjhannam: #eltchat I think we should try to learn student names as they are, not the changed version. |
| CoffeeAddictMe |
2:53 PM |
@Shaunwilden @rliberni : and the textbook characters eat scones a lot. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:54 PM |
@JoHart true & there are official names, family names, friend names etc.. this is cultural I think #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2:54 PM |
RT @teflgeek: #eltchat - further reading? Try here: http://bit.ly/lN3mGD |
| theteacherjames |
2:54 PM |
RT @pjgallantry: you can't help bringing your cultural baggage into class with you: just be aware that only hand luggage is allowed #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
2:54 PM |
RT @barbsaka: Good one, @cherrymp "Culture is a tool, not a trap" #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
2:54 PM |
#eltchat - further reading? Try here: http://bit.ly/lN3mGD |
| pjgallantry |
2:54 PM |
@theteacherjames yes, I find it weird too, but I think some ss find their name being mispronounced offensive as well #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:54 PM |
@sjhannam Nice to have you here Sara, thanks for bringing your insights into the topic #eltchat |
| JoHart |
2:54 PM |
@theteacherjames @breathyvowel in some cultures adopting Eng name has religious sugnificance esp if Catholic faith #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2:54 PM |
@LizziePinard Thanks, Lizzie! #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
2:54 PM |
RT @barbsaka: Good one, @cherrymp "Culture is a tool, not a trap" #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
2:54 PM |
@sjhannam @Shaunwilden @pjgallantry think we should celebrate Ss identities, not try to squash/mold them (no soy ningΓΊn Felipe) #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:54 PM |
@theteacherjames maybe culturally they do - in some cultures there are many names for diff situations #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2:55 PM |
@rliberni @JoHart At least then it's their own choice, as opposed to being the teacher's idea. #eltchat |
| sjhannam |
2:55 PM |
@Shaunwilden My pleasure Shaun #eltchat. Will try to make it again soon. |
| Shaunwilden |
2:55 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: @pjgallantry Pronouncing the names correctly is a first step to another's culture, IMHO #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
2:55 PM |
@pjgallantry Pronouncing the names correctly is a first step to another's culture, IMHO #eltchat |
| marekandrews |
2:55 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @teflgeek: #eltchat - further reading? Try here: http://bit.ly/lN3mGD |
| JoHart |
2:55 PM |
@theteacherjames @breathyvowel #eltchat I know 2 Chinese bro's one uses Eng name & one Chinese name - their choce |
| cherrymp |
2:55 PM |
@LizziePinard i wonder how u find ur way around d maze - a'way hats off for always raising hands #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2:55 PM |
@theteacherjames ha ha good one #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:55 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @teflgeek: #eltchat - further reading? Try here: http://bit.ly/lN3mGD |
| CoffeeAddictMe |
2:55 PM |
@sjhannam @Shaunwilden @pjgallantry : absolutely! otherwise we're saying their real names aren't "good enough". #eltchat |
| breathyvowel |
2:56 PM |
Re: English names. Do you think the age of students makes a difference to how accepting they would be? #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
2:56 PM |
@cherrymp #eltchat sorry for delay v difficult to summarise and not sure can do it in a tweet! |
| rliberni |
2:56 PM |
@theteacherjames to be honest I missed the initial tweet so mea culpa :-) #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2:56 PM |
#eltchat what I hate is teachers giving their ss English names - it's sometimes clear they're taking the piss |
| rliberni |
2:56 PM |
@CoffeeAddictMe oh but we do eat scones given half the chance (especially with cream and jam)! #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
2:56 PM |
@Moacir2 That's a good point (don't know students' future) #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:56 PM |
Great corpora tool via the Webheads: Livebinders! http://bit.ly/kS3kjH #ELTChat #aplanet |
| JoHart |
2:57 PM |
@theteacherjames @rliberni I wld never dream of giving alternative name! That is rude! That has to be stdnt choice #eltchat .... |
| cherrymp |
2:57 PM |
@teflgeek no probs - vl expect a post then :) #eltchat |
| lindseybp |
2:57 PM |
RT @barbsaka: There was some nice discussion about culture affecting language with one of my recent posts: http://bit.ly/l8yHmq #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2:57 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal you're right, but sadly there are some ELTs out there who never try #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2:57 PM |
@rliberni No problem! :-) #eltchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe |
2:57 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal @pjgallantry Agreed. Our attempts may not be perfect but its important to make the effort. #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
2:57 PM |
using real names is good. nothing better than that. bt imagine d plight of a foreign Tr tuning into the nuances of pronunciation #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:57 PM |
RT @rliberni: @CoffeeAddictMe oh but we do eat scones given half the chance (especially with cream & jam)! #eltchat Speak for yourself:-) |
| barbsaka |
2:58 PM |
Wanting to use real student names takes on a different dimension in countries where they don't use each other's names, normally :) #eltchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe |
2:58 PM |
@rliberni :yes but why do my students have to know that? I'd rather have them practice vocab. by describing somt. they eat & like! #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:58 PM |
@Shaunwilden Lol :-) http://bit.ly/cUNHvp #eltchat |
| JoHart |
2:58 PM |
@theteacherjames @rliberni #eltchat & I ask them to keep correcting if I mispronounce |
| cybraryman1 |
2:58 PM |
My Idioms page: http://cybraryman.com/idioms.html Proverbs: http://tinyurl.com/yzh453s Culture: http://tinyurl.com/3t3lfrc #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
2:58 PM |
@breathyvowel definitely, but also their persopnality, willingness to imagine and pretend, take on a diferent role can b liberating #eltchat |
| marekandrews |
2:58 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal @pjgallantry was disappointed with Michael Palin making little attempt to pronounce Hungarian names when he was here #eltchat |
| rliberni |
2:59 PM |
@CoffeeAddictMe they don't to learn English but they might if they were coming to visit the UK #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:59 PM |
@rliberni These are better :-) http://bit.ly/eQhhg - and soooo english cheddar and marmite #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2:59 PM |
@JoHart @rliberni But the teacher doesn't even have to give the name, could just suggest the idea. Really don't like it... #eltchat |
| mkofab |
2:59 PM |
@Shaunwilden @rliberni @CoffeeAddictMe Made scones once for my students;-)Don't make fun of your scones!We love them ! #eltchat |
| juanalejandro26 |
2:59 PM |
RT @cybraryman1: My Idioms page: http://cybraryman.com/idioms.html Proverbs: http://tinyurl.com/yzh453s Culture: http://tinyurl.com/3t3lfrc #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
3:00 PM |
RT @barbsaka: My biggest takeaway is the idea that culture is ours to use as context for language and as a tool for understanding #eltchat |
| krabongtan6213 |
3:00 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: Learning the sts' names is a great way tom interact with them and reverse rioles in which they r the tchrs gr8t cultural connection #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
3:00 PM |
My biggest takeaway is the idea that culture is ours to use as context for language and as a tool for understanding #eltchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe |
3:00 PM |
@mkofab @Shaunwilden @rliberni :dry & tasteless & too much baking powder. ugh! #eltchat |
| marekandrews |
3:00 PM |
@JoHart yeah, trying to pronounce ss names correctly is the first place we should be acknowledging ss+their culture #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
3:00 PM |
@pjgallantry I had Cactus and Potts in the same class! #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
3:00 PM |
Learning the sts' names is a great way tom interact with them and reverse rioles in which they r the tchrs gr8t cultural connection #eltchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe |
3:01 PM |
@rliberni : true - but then I'd go for teaching them about fish & chips :-) They'll defin. eat that! #eltchat |
| JoHart |
3:01 PM |
@theteacherjames @rliberni neither do I and hope I didn't give the slightest impression that I did! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3:01 PM |
Tonight's chat (at 21.00 BST) is How does YOUR language learning experience impact on your teaching? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
3:01 PM |
@CoffeeAddictMe oh no, you bought them at the supermarket :-) #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
3:01 PM |
RT @mkofab: Get that chip of your shoulder, you Eng. Yr rich culture can be the motivator for students as it was for me in the 70s. #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
3:01 PM |
What an hour! Thanks for a great #eltchat everyone! |
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