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How important is research in ELT

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Transcript of the 12 BST #eltchat on 24.05.2011 on the importance of research in ELT

 

garymotteram 2:00 PM #eltchat I think it is an important topic to make time for
cherrymp  2:00 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat I think it is an important topic to make time for. > agree
barbsaka 2:00 PM Why do you think that, @garymotteram? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:00 PM @rliberni at the moment? Does that we can expect more or you're off early? ;-) #eltchat
garymotteram 2:00 PM #eltchat I think it is an important topic to make time for.
rliberni 2:00 PM Pls ask us if you need any help #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:01 PM Hello everyone  #eltchat
esolcourses 2:01 PM RT @rliberni: Welcome to #eltchat today  How important is research in ELT?  your moderators are @barbsaka , @Shaunwilden and myself
TyKendall 2:01 PM #ELTCHAT just woke up from a nap, dont expect anything coherent for 10 mins :-)
garymotteram 2:01 PM #eltchat The fact that we have to ask this question at all seems to me to be symptomatic of a lack of interesέΑο (cont) http://deck.ly/~022gq
cherrymp 2:01 PM research makes elt professional, accountable #eltchat
ozsolmaz 2:01 PM @rliberni yes, I am involved in research. I'm currently finishing up my masters thesis and believe in the importance of research #ELTchat
hartle 2:01 PM Hello Gary nice to see you  #ELTChat
DaveDodgson 2:01 PM @garymotteram That's way I'm here as thoughts turn to the DRC & thesis for next year :) #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2:01 PM Please welcome @garymotteram who has agreed to help with the moderation today as this is a topic that forms part of his work   #eltchat
BobK99 2:01 PM @rliberni @guardian Cuts preventing refugees from integrating...http://t.co/GTXOpjr via @guardian #eltchat ... #esol! Selbstverstehenlich
cioccas 2:02 PM My tweets for the next hour will be dedicated to #eltchat on How important is research in ELT?
timjulian60 2:02 PM If research gives insight into how  stds learn which we can feed into our classroom practice I can think of nothing more valuable #eltchat
esolcourses 2:02 PM would definitely say  there is a place for research, but I also think that all research is subjective to a certain extent #eltchat
barbsaka 2:02 PM Sure :-) RT @hartle: Can we talk abt different types of research... quantative vs. qualitative? #ELTChat
rliberni 2:02 PM RT @TyKendall: #ELTCHAT just woke up from a nap, dont expect anything coherent for 10 mins :-)
hartle 2:02 PM Can we talk abt different types of research... quantative vs. qualitative? #ELTChat
BobK99 2:02 PM My tweets for the next hour will be dedicated to #eltchat. Hullo everyone :-)
rliberni 2:02 PM @Shaunwilden you see! and @garymotteram and @Marisa_C  will also be moderating - ask if you get stuck :-) #eltchat
barbsaka 2:02 PM Thanks for joining us, @garymotteram #eltchat Appreciate your insight!
DaveDodgson 2:02 PM @ozsolmaz What's your research topic? #ELTchat
fionamau 2:02 PM RT @cherrymp: @SoaresLena welcome to twitter - do visit #eltchat & c how vibrant a community v r :)
cherrymp 2:02 PM @SoaresLena welcome to twitter - do visit #eltchat & c how vibrant a community v r :)
barbsaka 2:02 PM #VALUE!
Shaunwilden 2:03 PM RT @TyKendall: #ELTCHAT how do you define research first of all? does reading the latest edition of ET professional constitute research?
TyKendall 2:03 PM #ELTCHAT how do you define research first of all? does reading the latest edition of ET professional constitute research?
esolcourses 2:03 PM I also think the formal research model is outdated in a lot of ways, & could do with overhauling to get in step with current times #eltchat
Marisa_C 2:03 PM RT @hartle: I think qualitative research is more useful to me often, as statistics can often be skewed in quantative surveys etc. #ELTChat
ozsolmaz 2:03 PM RT @timjulian60: If research gives insight into how  stds learn which we can feed into our classroom practice I can think of nothing more valuable #eltchat
cherrymp 2:03 PM #eltchat RT @timjulian60: If research gives insight into how  stds learn which we can feed into our classrooέΑο (cont) http://deck.ly/~z8C5V
hartle 2:03 PM I think qualitative research is more useful to me often, as statistics can often be skewed in quantative surveys etc. #ELTChat
ozsolmaz 2:03 PM @DaveDodgson #ELTchat the use of the Internet by high school EFL teachers for the purpose of personal and professional development
rliberni 2:03 PM RT @timjulian60: If research gives insight into how  stds learn which we can feed into our classroom practice I can think of nothing more valuable #eltchat
Marisa_C 2:03 PM if you are new to #ELTchat pls ask @barbsaka @Shaunwilden @riberni or myself for help - any other mods here?
juandoming 2:03 PM Go Pileus - Drag and Drop File Sharing http://t.co/l7pzPHx v├φa @AddThis @rmbyrne elearning #web20 #socialmedia #eltchat #education #school
cherrymp 2:03 PM #eltchat RT @LukeMeddings: A new voice, and someone I had the pleasure to meet in Devon: please welcome @SoareέΑο (cont) http://deck.ly/~0aM1k
CeciELT 2:04 PM About to start a class... will catch up with #eltchat with summary and transcript. This seems to be my fate this semester.  :-(
ozsolmaz 2:04 PM @DaveDodgson definitely. and there is a gap in the field when it comes to self-development by means of internet technologies #ELTchat
rliberni 2:04 PM On a day to day level we should be resrching all the time what wks what doesn't, how to impve things & keep up with the big stuff 2 #eltchat
garymotteram 2:04 PM #eltchat If we see research as a way of reflecting on teaching and the learning, then we start seeing why is is important.
cioccas 2:04 PM RT @hartle: I think qualitative research is more useful to me ... as statistics can often be skewed in quantative surveys etc. #ELTChat
esolcourses 2:04 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @hartle: I think qualitative research is more useful to me often, as statistics can often be skewed in quantative surveys etc. #ELTChat
cherrymp 2:04 PM RT @barbsaka: Even if teachers don't have means to conduct research, we all benefit from it #eltchat > true esp wen u've access to it
Marisa_C 2:04 PM Might be useful to clarify difference between "qualitative" and "quantitative" research - all OK with terms? #ELTchat
hartle 2:04 PM RT @esolcourses: I also think the formal research model is outdated in a lot of ways, & could do with overhauling ... #eltchat I agree
Shaunwilden 2:04 PM @esolcourses So what do you suggest? #eltchat
cherrymp 2:04 PM @hartle true statistics can b lot confusing for many #eltchat
barbsaka 2:04 PM Even if teachers don't have means to conduct research, we all benefit from it #eltchat
DaveDodgson 2:04 PM @ozsolmaz Sounds interesting - I think self-development is becoming increasingly important #ELTchat
alfredovela 2:04 PM RT @juandoming: Go Pileus - Drag and Drop File Sharing http://t.co/l7pzPHx v├φa @AddThis @rmbyrne elearning #web20 #socialmedia #eltchat #education #school
barbsaka 2:05 PM @cherrymp access to research is a pet peeve of mine--often limited if teachers aren't at university #eltchat
rliberni 2:05 PM RT @esolcourses: I also think the formal research model is outdated in a lot of ways, & could do with overhauling to get in step with current times #eltchat
Marisa_C 2:05 PM @rliberni Agree that teachers can be their own researchers (on a small scale ) every single time they teach  #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:05 PM Don't good teachers always do reasearch to the extent they gather info, reflect and act upon it? #eltchat
ozsolmaz 2:05 PM RT @garymotteram #eltchat If we see research as a way of reflecting on teaching and the learning, then we start seeing why is is important.
cioccas 2:05 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat If we see research as a way of reflecting on teaching and the learning, then we start seeing why is is important.
cherrymp 2:05 PM @CeciELT thanks to that mode too - wt's missed is the live action dnt worry #eltchat
hartle 2:05 PM I was thinking of thinks like "talk aloud protocols" or journals and portfolios, or even class studies  #eltchat
rliberni 2:05 PM RT @Marisa_C: Might be useful to clarify difference between "qualitative" and "quantitative" research - all OK with terms? #ELTchat
DaveDodgson 2:05 PM What is the purpose of our research? Important question as the idea of proving/finding best methods is out-dated #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2:05 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat If we see research as a way of reflecting on teaching and the learning, then we start seeing why is is important.
rliberni 2:05 PM RT @ozsolmaz: @DaveDodgson definitely. and there is a gap in the field when it comes to self-development by means of internet technologies #ELTchat
barbsaka 2:05 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat If we see research as a way of reflecting on teaching and the learning, then we start seeing why is is important.
esolcourses 2:05 PM @Shaunwilden I think it needs to be less formal, more open, broadened out - people shouldn't have to pay to access knowledge #eltchat
rliberni 2:06 PM RT @Marisa_C: @OUPELTGlobal But how can teacher research feed into more organised research - isn't this important too? #eltchat
sandymillin 2:06 PM For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat on whether Ts should be involved in action research
Marisa_C 2:06 PM @OUPELTGlobal But how can teacher research feed into more organised research - isn't this important too? #eltchat
BobK99 2:06 PM RT @hartle: RT @esolcourses: ... formal resrch model is outdated in a lot of ways, & c do with overhauling ... #eltchat I agree! Hence.../
barbsaka 2:06 PM @CeciELT Perhaps when the time changes again it will be easier for you #eltchat
garymotteram 2:06 PM #eltchat There is no 'best method', but there are still good and bad methods.
rliberni 2:06 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: Don't good teachers always do reasearch to the extent they gather info, reflect and act upon it? #eltchat they should!
Marisa_C 2:06 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: Don't good teachers always do reasearch to the extent they gather info, reflect and act upon it? #eltchat > Indeed
OUPELTGlobal 2:07 PM RT @TyKendall: #ELTCHAT does not doing research make you a bad teacher, or just a busy one? #eltchat
cioccas 2:07 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Are we using research as a very broad term here? #eltchat < Seems like it, not a bad thing as we need all types
Marisa_C 2:07 PM We very often tend to challenge the gurus of our profession with the  Q "Is there any research to back up your claims? " #ELTchat
barbsaka 2:07 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat There is no 'best method', but there are still good and bad methods.
DaveDodgson 2:07 PM @barbsaka @cherrymp Yes, I doubt I would have access to any research (or even think of accessing it) if I wasn't doing an MA #ELTchat
barbsaka 2:07 PM @cherrymp I love the open access journals, but miss a good uni library :) #eltchat
barbsaka 2:07 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: Don't good teachers always do reasearch to the extent they gather info, reflect and act upon it? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:07 PM Are we using research as a very broad term here? #eltchat
TyKendall 2:07 PM #ELTCHAT does not doing research make you a bad teacher, or just a busy one?
cherrymp 2:07 PM @barbsaka true - there open access journals come handy #eltchat
cioccas 2:08 PM RT @esolcourses: ... you don't need to engage in formal research to reflect on teaching and learning these days, though  #eltchat <Agree
cherrymp 2:08 PM RT @barbsaka: @cherrymp I love the open access journals, but miss a good uni library :) #eltchat > we shud makέΑο (cont) http://deck.ly/~aDC8P
Shaunwilden 2:08 PM @cioccas Agreed am just getting my head round what people maen by research #eltchat
hartle 2:08 PM RT @Marisa_C: @OUPELTGlobal But how can teacher research feed into more organised research ...#eltchat it doesέΑο (cont) http://deck.ly/~6RkmX
DaveDodgson 2:08 PM @Shaunwilden Yes, probably because it is quite broad! Many ways to collect & interpret data #ELTchat
harrisonmike 2:08 PM @OUPELTGlobal @TyKendall Busy!! #eltchat
barbsaka 2:08 PM sounds like it :)RT @Shaunwilden: Are we using research as a very broad term here? #eltchat
esolcourses 2:08 PM @ozsolmaz @garymotteram you don't need to engage in formal research to reflect on teaching and learning these days, though  #eltchat
esolcourses 2:09 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: @hartle Is organised research important? aren't teachers too busy? Are the formalities worth the time? #eltchat
rliberni 2:09 PM RT @hartle: RT @harrisonmike: Is blogging a form of (self) research? #eltchat absolutely and leads to reflection and exchange too
rliberni 2:09 PM It is v important 2 keep up with latest ideas & findings they may inform our teaching or not - if we r learners we shld b lerning! #eltchat
hartle 2:09 PM RT @harrisonmike: Is blogging a form of (self) research? #eltchat absolutely and leads to reflection and exchange too
esolcourses 2:09 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal RT @TyKendall #ELTCHAT does not doing research make you a bad teacher, or just a busy one? #eltchat depends how U define it
OUPELTGlobal 2:09 PM @hartle Is organised research important? aren't teachers too busy? Are the formalities worth the time? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2:09 PM Hashtag! #eltchat
hartle 2:09 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @garymotteram: @TyKendall Not doing research doesn't make you a bad teacher, but doing research makes you a a better one. #eltCHAT
harrisonmike 2:09 PM Is blogging a form of (self) research? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2:09 PM RT @garymotteram: @TyKendall Not doing research doesn't make you a bad teacher, but doing research makes you a a better one. #eltCHAT
Marisa_C 2:10 PM @dreadnought001 I do - but most Ts don't have access to important journalt  #eltchat
cioccas 2:10 PM @cherrymp And with so many journals online, you can't just walk into a library and browse anymore #ELTchat
rliberni 2:10 PM RT @dreadnought001: How many teachers have access to written journals (TESOL Q'ly, ELT Journal etc) in their school? I'm lucky I'm at uni and do.. #eltchat
barbsaka 2:10 PM Well, we have most of an hour left, so perhaps we ought to break this topic down? #eltchat
rliberni 2:10 PM I meant if we are teachers we shld be learning the two go hand in hand! #eltchat
DaveDodgson 2:10 PM @harrisonmike I guess it depends on what you are doing with it! Using it for reflection? Yes. Sharing links? Maybe not ;) #ELTchat
AchilleasK 2:10 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat If we see research as a way of reflecting on teaching and the learning, then we start seeing why is is important.
Shaunwilden 2:10 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat You can research in all sorts of ways, there are many different methods and methodologies.
dreadnought001 2:10 PM How many teachers have access to written journals (TESOL Q'ly, ELT Journal etc) in their school? I'm lucky I'm at uni and do.. #eltchat
garymotteram 2:10 PM #eltchat You can research in all sorts of ways, there are many different methods and methodologies.
Marisa_C 2:10 PM RT @harrisonmike: Is blogging a form of (self) research? #eltchat > Not if there isn't a question posed and some data or evidence to analyse
rliberni 2:10 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: @hartle Is organised research important? aren't teachers too busy? Are the formalities worth the time? #eltchat
cherrymp 2:10 PM #eltchat RT @DaveDodgson: @barbsaka @cherrymp Yes, I doubt I would have access to any research (or even thinέΑο (cont) http://deck.ly/~D1vaO
garymotteram 2:11 PM #eltchat Access to journals and studies is a big issue @dreadnought001, but there is a lot on the web.
Marisa_C 2:11 PM @cherrymp Sure - if you use it to poll or find information and responses #eltchat #eltchat
cherrymp 2:11 PM @cioccas mmm true :) #eltchat
rliberni 2:11 PM @dreadnought001 much is now also online and around us here it's not too difficult to find it #eltchat
harrisonmike 2:11 PM @Marisa_C more anecdotal research though, isn't it? Even with data/questions/numbers #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:11 PM We used to encurage tchers to do action research projects with classes &report back -  it's not too time consuming in this respect #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:11 PM RT @barbsaka: Well, we have most of an hour left, so perhaps we ought to break this topic down? #eltchat
cherrymp 2:11 PM #eltchat RT @Marisa_C: RT @harrisonmike: Is blogging a form of (self) research? #eltchat > Not if there isn'έΑο (cont) http://deck.ly/~psTHb
cherrymp 2:11 PM reflecting on d distinction b'w #EFL & #ESL - ideas frm PLN as always r welcome #eltchat #elt
sandymillin 2:12 PM RT @TyKendall: #ELTCHAT how do you define research first of all? does reading the latest edition of ET professional constitute research?
garymotteram 2:12 PM My tweets for the next hour are part of #eltchat. FB users be warned.
DaveDodgson 2:12 PM @Shaunwilden A shame that I've never been encouraged to do this in my career. Great potential if everyone in department is doing it #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:12 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Access to journals and studies is a big issue @dreadnought001, but there is a lot on the web.
cioccas 2:12 PM @Shaunwilden Used to happen where I am too, but now Ts are just too busy  #ELTchat
barbsaka 2:12 PM Yes! RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Access to journals and studies is a big issue @dreadnought001, but there is a lot on the web.
Marisa_C 2:12 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Access to journals and studies is a big issue @dreadnought001, but there is a lot on the web.
ozsolmaz 2:12 PM @dreadnought001 teachers at state schools do not have any access to journals here in Turkey. Ts at universities, yes #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:13 PM @DaveDodgson I think an important point is being able to share and talk to someone. Difficult to do research on your own. no? #eltchat
rliberni 2:13 PM I think access to research has never been easier - there are no excuses really it's all here! #eltchat
sandymillin 2:13 PM RT @rliberni: On a day to day level we should be resrching all the time what wks what doesn't, how to impve things & keep up with the big stuff 2 #eltchat
cherrymp 2:13 PM researching needs lot of motivation - getting stuck is common #eltchat
Marisa_C 2:13 PM RT @garymotteram: My tweets for the next hour are part of #eltchat. FB users be warned. > :-D
rliberni 2:13 PM RT @cioccas: Voted in #eltchat poll for tomorrow's chat - http://bit.ly/l75H6H - Hope my choice stays in 2nd place so it is discussed 1st!
rliberni 2:13 PM RT @bamarcia: RT @russell1955 10 ways to use JING for digital storytelling& feedback http://bit.ly/dngjFY #TESOL #ELT #tefl #efl #eltchat #storytelling
lauraahaha 2:13 PM New blog post: Why I hate reading aloud http://bit.ly/lcbCuk #efl #elt #tefl #eltchat #edchat
esolcourses 2:14 PM @OUPELTGlobal @hartle there aren't enough hours in the day to have a decent stab at conducting formal research & do my job properly #ELTChat
hartle 2:14 PM #ELTchat Some Ts very set in thr ways, and teach mechanically, encouragement to keep a teaching journal and INSET training wdmotivate them
cherrymp 2:14 PM RT @DaveDodgson: All of these journals are openly accessible online: http://bit.ly/9f7P5s #ELTchat gr8 :)
OUPELTGlobal 2:14 PM RT @rliberni: I think access to research has never been easier - there are no excuses really it's all here! #eltchat I agree
rliberni 2:14 PM RT @TyKendall: #ELTCHAT  there's an online TEFL journal http://iteslj.org/ i think most content there is free, but access to research = important topic
Shaunwilden 2:14 PM @DaveDodgson Well i cant say everyone was doing it but it was a gd form of cpd for those bored of workshops #eltchat
rliberni 2:14 PM RT @DaveDodgson: All of these journals are openly accessible online: http://bit.ly/9f7P5s #ELTchat
ozsolmaz 2:14 PM @Shaunwilden I'm teaching 'Scientific Research Methods' class at ELT dept here and preservice Ts like this class and academics #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2:14 PM @harrisonmike small scale perhaps - but this is also valuable to you and whoever reads it  #eltchat
TyKendall 2:14 PM #ELTCHAT  there's an online TEFL journal http://iteslj.org/ i think most content there is free, but access to research = important topic
esolcourses 2:14 PM @OUPELTGlobal @hartle I engage in informal research all the time, bt engaging formal research doesn't interest me, tbh.  #eltChat
DaveDodgson 2:14 PM All of these journals are openly accessible online: http://bit.ly/9f7P5s #ELTchat
harrisonmike 2:14 PM Where can research be found on the web guys? #eltchat @garymotteram @dreadnought001
cherrymp 2:15 PM @Marisa_C online tools r of course v handy - esp in getting data frm far and wide #eltchat
Marisa_C 2:15 PM @harrisonmike But you can use your blog to REPORT research you have conducted - teachers often don't have access to big journals  #eltchat
hartle 2:15 PM RT @esolcourses: @OUPELTGlobal @hartle  yes I understand, but everyone cn do informal reflection #ELTChat
ozsolmaz 2:15 PM RT @rliberni: I think access to research has never been easier - there are no excuses really it's all here! #eltchat
cherrymp 2:15 PM RT @hartle: #ELTchat Some Ts very set in thr ways, and teach mechanically, encouragement to keep a teaching joέΑο (cont) http://deck.ly/~kMqsi
ozsolmaz 2:15 PM we have a small blog for our department where some important (and free access) links are shared there. Great for Sts #ELTchat
cioccas 2:15 PM RT @esolcourses: ...there aren't enough hours in the day to have a decent stab at conducting formal research & do my job properly #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2:15 PM If you are looking for ways of sending reearch questionnaires what tools would you share? E.g. Google Docs can do polls for you #ELTchat
DaveDodgson 2:15 PM @OUPELTGlobal That's why having several colleagues doing it is best. Failing that, blogging is a great way to share results! #ELTchat
SueannaN 2:15 PM RT @esolcourses: @OUPELTGlobal @hartle there aren't enough hours in the day to have a decent stab at conducting formal research & do my job properly #ELTChat
chucksandy 2:15 PM Sad to miss this  #eltchat
cioccas 2:15 PM @rliberni But lots of reasearch is in 'ranked' journals 'cause academics have to do this & they can be difficult to access #eltchat
cioccas 2:16 PM Could everyone please turn off Tweetdeck 'long updates' please? #ELTchat - makes it hard to read  whole tweet
Shaunwilden 2:16 PM @TyKendall Yes i use that a lot, survery monkey is quite easy to use #eltchat
Marisa_C 2:16 PM @chucksandy we'll miss you :-(  have a good meeting  #eltchat
barbsaka 2:16 PM @chucksandy Rock your meeting :) #eltchat
rliberni 2:16 PM @cioccas  true but there r often things that trickle down or r discussed in forums -Youtube TED etc.. I think these are easier 2 #eltchat
cherrymp 2:16 PM vl informal reflection cme under d type of res v r discussing? #eltchat
TyKendall 2:16 PM #ELTCHAT @barbsaka  i was thinking that too Barbara!
chucksandy 2:16 PM Sad to miss this #eltchat but stuck in a meeting. Rock on all! Looking forward to the transcript ^^
OUPELTGlobal 2:16 PM RT @DaveDodgson: @OUPELTGlobal That's why having several colleagues doing it is best.  blogging is a great way to share results!  #eltchat
barbsaka 2:16 PM @JoHart we never did define :) #eltchat
BobK99 2:16 PM RT @Marisa_C: If you are looking for ways of sending reearch questionnaires what tools would you share? ... #ELTchat !SurveyMonkey?
sandymillin 2:16 PM @OUPELTGlobal How possible is it to do organised research when you're not in a uni environment? Where do you start? #eltchat
esolcourses 2:16 PM Question for thosewho do engage in formal research... do you do it mainly because you want to, or because U have to/it's expected? #ELTChat
harrisonmike 2:16 PM RT @Marisa_C: @harrisonmike But you can use your blog to REPORT research you have conducted - teachers often don't have access to big journals  #eltchat
JoHart 2:16 PM #eltchat - I've not seen prev Tweets - but what do we mean by research? subjective/objective, qualitative/quamtitative, anecdotal/factual?
TyKendall 2:16 PM #ELTCHAT @Marisa_C  also seen this one used a lot too http://svy.mk/rv8xk
Shaunwilden 2:16 PM RT @Marisa_C: @harrisonmike But you can use your blog to REPORT research you have conducted - teachers often don't have access to big journals  #eltchat
tucksoon 2:16 PM #VALUE!
SueannaN 2:17 PM RT @esolcourses: RT @JoHart: #eltchat we all do action research every time we teach - at least we do if we learn from whata happens ] good point - agree!
cherrymp 2:17 PM @JoHart yup #eltchat
esolcourses 2:17 PM RT @JoHart: #eltchat we all do action research every time we teach - at least we do if we learn from whata happens ] good point - agree!
Shaunwilden 2:17 PM RT @JoHart: #eltchat we all do action research every time we teach - at least we do if we learnb from what happens - good point :-)
sandymillin 2:17 PM @dreadnought001 no access to written journals here - only what's online #eltchat
rliberni 2:17 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @TyKendall: #ELTCHAT @Marisa_C  also seen this one used a lot too http://svy.mk/rv8xk - Yes Survey Monkey a great tool
DaveDodgson 2:17 PM @sandymillin @OUPELTGlobal I think the 'academic' side would put a lot of people off #ELTchat
cherrymp 2:17 PM @sandymillin we need to get res out of universities - sooner d better #eltchat
rliberni 2:17 PM RT @JoHart: #eltchat we all do action research every time we teach - at least we do if we learnb from whata happens
Marisa_C 2:17 PM RT @TyKendall: #ELTCHAT @Marisa_C  also seen this one used a lot too http://svy.mk/rv8xk - Yes Survey Monkey a great tool
JoHart 2:17 PM #eltchat we all do action research every time we teach - at least we do if we learnb from whata happens
rliberni 2:17 PM RT @esolcourses: RT @ozsolmaz:  believe that what makes research useul is the way it contributes to your teaching and learning #ELTchat
esolcourses 2:17 PM RT @cioccas: Could everyone please turn off Tweetdeck 'long updates' please? #ELTchat - makes it hard to read  whole tweet
esolcourses 2:17 PM RT @ozsolmaz:  believe that what makes research useul is the way it contributes to your teaching and learning #ELTchat
cherrymp 2:18 PM @CoffeeAddictMe imp of research in elt #eltchat
Marisa_C 2:18 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat You can get connected to journals by writing for them, they often then give you free access for a while.
barbsaka 2:18 PM Gr8 tip! RT @garymotteram: #eltchat You can get connected to journals by writing for them, they often then give you free access for a while.
cherrymp 2:18 PM RT @TyKendall: #ELTCHAT do you think research can be intensive and extensive? just like skills?? wanting to do it vs having to>good pt
CELT_Athens 2:18 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat You can get connected to journals by writing for them, they often then give you free access for a while.
OUPELTGlobal 2:18 PM RT @rliberni: RT @esolcourses: RT @ozsolmaz: believe that what makes research useul is the way it contributesto tching & learning  #eltchat
CoffeeAddictMe 2:18 PM #eltchat is about what?
cioccas 2:18 PM @rliberni Agree, but sometimes second-hand reporting is too selective so I like to go to the source #ELTchat
garymotteram 2:18 PM #eltchat You can get connected to journals by writing for them, they often then give you free access for a while.
Marisa_C 2:18 PM RT @Imadruid: @sandymillin @TyKendall  #Eltchat no. Research needs to be systematic, generate a new claim to knowledge & be shared.
TyKendall 2:18 PM #ELTCHAT do you think research can be intensive and extensive? just like skills?? wanting to do it vs having to
hartle 2:18 PM True we learn when we teach but if we don't refelct and develop ideas how much do we learn?  #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2:18 PM @NikPeachey also uses another great one - Urtac I think #elTchat
barbsaka 2:18 PM So maybe we can start by identifying a few broad research types? Quantitative, qualitative, informal, ....? #eltchat
Imadruid 2:18 PM @sandymillin @TyKendall  #Eltchat no. Research needs to be systematic, generate a new claim to knowledge & be shared.
ozsolmaz 2:19 PM @esolcourses Great Q. Luckily both of them for me. + Sharing interesting research results to preservice teachers are very good! #ELTchat
cioccas 2:19 PM RT @rliberni: I've learned a lot just here about thinking on grammar, dogme, methodology etc..  #eltchat <Yes, me too!
hartle 2:19 PM RT @rliberni: I've learned a lot just here about thinking on grammar, dogme, methodology etc..  #eltchat me too
rliberni 2:19 PM I've learned a lot just here about thinking on grammar, dogme, methodology etc..  #eltchat
sandymillin 2:19 PM @Shaunwilden What's the best way to go about action research in your classes w/o uni as a push? #eltchat
garymotteram 2:19 PM #eltchat You can also be an article reviewer, although you need to establish some kind of track record.
BobK99 2:19 PM RT @barbsaka: @JoHart we never did define :) #eltchat! Keep trying! We DO need to know what we're talking about! What's the 'formal' for? :)
Shaunwilden 2:19 PM @CoffeeAddictMe reaserch and ELT #eltchat
alhen_ 2:19 PM RT @JoHart: #eltchat we all do action research every time we teach - at least we do if we learnb from whata happens
hartle 2:19 PM RT @CoffeeAddictMe: #eltchat   research in ELT Do we need it?
pea 2:19 PM #VALUE!
Shaunwilden 2:19 PM Currently 11 suggestions  for #eltchat  poll, which is gr8 but  2 many for the poll, does anyone mind theirs being moved to  next week?
SueannaN 2:20 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Marisa_C: Could we perhaps distinguish between class research and class trialling? #ELTchat - Please define the diference then :-)
JoHart 2:20 PM @sandymillin for action research try something new but document & record especially student response/outcomes #eltchat
barbsaka 2:20 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Research needs to be built into the fabric of what you do, so it becomes part of our everyday  activity.
Shaunwilden 2:20 PM RT @Marisa_C: Could we perhaps distinguish between class research and class trialling? #ELTchat - Please define the diference then :-)
cherrymp 2:20 PM @sandymillin u mean funding? or personal? #eltchat
garymotteram 2:20 PM #eltchat Research needs to be built into the fabric of what you do, so it becomes part of our everyday  activity.
hartle 2:20 PM Informal means not as part of a course or job etc. Formal is part of smthg "official" in a nutshell  #ELTChat
cherrymp 2:20 PM wen u res u r putting ur practice/ath dat u res under scanner - questioning it #eltchat
Marisa_C 2:20 PM Could we perhaps distinguish between class research and class trialling? #ELTchat
rliberni 2:20 PM @BobK99 I think informal research is a given we're really taking about academic research I think? #eltchat
sandymillin 2:20 PM RT @cherrymp: researching needs lot of motivation - getting stuck is common #eltchat >needs support too
Marisa_C 2:21 PM @Shaunwilden Isn't class trialling just trying out lessons, activities, tools and then reflecting?  #ELTchat
hartle 2:21 PM RT @JoHart: @sandymillin for action research try something new but document & record especially student response/outcomes #eltchat gd  :-)
cioccas 2:21 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Other disciplines don't question the need for research in the way that we do in teaching  < That's SO true!
rliberni 2:21 PM @BobK99 Ok maybe I'm wrong - I thought it was academic research #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:21 PM @garymotteram Would that be formal or informal? #eltchat
ozsolmaz 2:21 PM don't you also think researching together with a colleague is more interesting and useful? collabortion rocks #ELTchat
barbsaka 2:21 PM @garymotteram Suggestions how to build research into our daily fabric? #eltchat
sandymillin 2:21 PM @cherrymp personal support/motivation #eltchat
garymotteram 2:21 PM #eltchat Other disciplines don't question the need for research in the way that we do in teaching .
cherrymp 2:21 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Research needs to be built into the fabric of what you do, so it becomes part of our everyday  activity.> :)
Marisa_C 2:21 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Research needs to be built into the fabric of what you do, so it becomes part of our everyday  activity.
cherrymp 2:22 PM @Marisa_C nope don't they form a cycle? nth is final - u r reflecting on how to make it better & effective #eltchat
esolcourses 2:22 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat is the need for research being questioned here, or simply the way that teachers go about it (formal vs informal)?
hartle 2:22 PM Formal research in MAs or PHDs  can be time consuming and expensive fr most Ts  #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2:22 PM @Shaunwilden But class research poses a questions and uses observation over time to reflect on the findings?  #ELTchat
JoHart 2:22 PM @barbsaka @garymotteram #eltchat reflect, review, record to build in research
rliberni 2:22 PM @cioccas yes, things like #eltchat etc,, whet the appetite then you have to go to the links and follow through #eltchat
garymotteram 2:22 PM #eltchat Formal vs informal -- I'm not sure that's a  useful distinction, we probably mean funded vs non-funded.
cherrymp 2:22 PM @sandymillin mmm - i won't say it's around; bt not hard to find. nth helps like being self motivated #eltchat
uniqsuseq 2:22 PM RT @ShellTerrell: Online collection of stories & poems in Mp3 format http://is.gd/lmuGjZ #engchat #eltchat #edtech via @ozge @bucharesttutor
sandymillin 2:23 PM RT @cioccas: Could everyone please turn off Tweetdeck 'long updates' please? #ELTchat - makes it hard to read  whole tweet >& write summary!
TheHomeworkDog 2:23 PM RT @DaveDodgson: All of these journals are openly accessible online: http://bit.ly/9f7P5s #ELTchat
Imadruid 2:23 PM @alhen_ @JoHart  #Eltchat what you are talking about is not action research, but reflective teaching.
rliberni 2:23 PM @BobK99 have to admit to getting lost a bit here :-D #eltchat
barbsaka 2:23 PM Just good teaching :) RT @OUPELTGlobal: surveying your students for their learning preferences and expectations then acting on it  #eltchat
Rogers_Suzanne 2:23 PM @barbsaka @garymotteram #eltchat  Research needs to be modeled and practiced.
BobK99 2:23 PM RT w tag: @rliberni Exactly! (I just ran out of chars.)  #eltchat
Marisa_C 2:23 PM @garymotteram  Is that correct or incorrect as a distintion Gary? #ELTchat
DaveDodgson 2:23 PM One problem with academic research is filtering it down to the classroom. I hear 'that would never work in my class' a lot! #ELTchat
JoHart 2:23 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Formal vs informal -- I'm not sure that's a  useful distinction, we probably mean funded vs non-funded.<<AGREE>
hartle 2:23 PM RT @cioccas: RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Formal vs informal ... we probably mean funded vs non-funded <Or assessed vs non-assessed?
cioccas 2:23 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Formal vs informal ... we probably mean funded vs non-funded <Or assessed vs non-assessed?
Shaunwilden 2:23 PM @Marisa_C  Wasnt sure thats why i asked - it seems ot be the def of research we are using encompasses this #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:23 PM would surveying your students for their learning preferences and expectations then acting on it be research? #eltchat
Chris_Fry_BCN 2:23 PM RT @ISILBOY: Digital Portfolio: A Tool for Learning, Self-Reflection, Sharing and Collaboration http://bit.ly/lhB19G #eltchat
rliberni 2:24 PM @cioccas it's Hobsons choice! So maybe snippets better than nothing? #eltchat
cherrymp 2:24 PM @Marisa_C so wt makes it researching is d documenting & reporting part rt? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:24 PM @sandymillin You volunteering ?#eltchat
esolcourses 2:24 PM RT @hartle: Formal research in MAs or PHDs can be time consuming & expensive fr most Ts  #ELTChat ] Must be many Ts who can't afford either
cioccas 2:24 PM @rliberni Yes, and I could spend my whole waking life following links I've got from #ELTchat friends!
Marisa_C 2:24 PM RT @Imadruid: @alhen_ @JoHart  #Eltchat what you are talking about is not action research, but reflective teaching. > I go with that
TyKendall 2:24 PM RT @rliberni: @BobK99 have to admit to getting lost a bit here :-D #eltchat
hartle 2:24 PM ONe prob abt academic research is many researchers not classroom teachers  #ELTChat
rliberni 2:25 PM @cioccas Lol :-) #eltchat
DaveDodgson 2:25 PM @Imadruid That's what I try to tell them! #ELTchat
sjaafar 2:25 PM RT @DaveDodgson: One problem with academic research is filtering it down to the classroom. I hear 'that would never work in my class' a lot! #ELTchat
dreadnought001 2:25 PM the ultimate irony of course is that to do substantive research (MA/Phd), you really have to leave the classroom!! #eltchat
hartle 2:25 PM RT @DaveDodgson: @hartle But when classroom teachers do research,.... #ELTchat does that matter???
JoHart 2:25 PM @Marisa_C @Imadruid @alhen_ think action research & reflective teaching so intermingled that I can't really differentiate #eltchat
TyKendall 2:25 PM #ELTCHAT right then my brain is hurting from following such a fast paced chat...i'm bailing! Maybe see y'all tonight.
cioccas 2:25 PM @rliberni Oh, I'm not complaining, I love it :-) #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2:25 PM @Marisa_C Ok so e.g. To assess the use of background music on  a class over a series of lessons - research or trial? #eltchat
BobK99 2:25 PM @rliberni  Easily done!  #eltchat
DaveDodgson 2:25 PM @hartle But when classroom teachers do research, they lack the academic background to share their results.... #ELTchat
ddeubel 2:25 PM What about "teacher" bias? I find this the most problematic aspect of research #eltchat
garymotteram 2:25 PM #eltchat If we look at case studies of what other teachers do, then there is less of a problem with the issue of 'it won't work for me.'
Imadruid 2:25 PM @DaveDodgson  #Eltchat hence need for action research
hartle 2:25 PM RT @cherrymp: @Marisa_C so wt makes it researching is d documenting & reporting part rt? #eltchat and reflecting
naomishema 2:25 PM Just blogged: My Post for the έΑεDisabled Access-Friendly WorldέΑζ Blog Challenge http://bit.ly/iVxwdb #eltchat #spedchat
TyKendall 2:25 PM MY LATEST BLOG POST http://bit.ly/jYzjmb on Istanbul and first impressions.  #ELTCHAT  #EDCHAT  Check it out PLN peeps! Enjoy :-)
esolcourses 2:26 PM RT @dreadnought001 the ultimate irony of course is that 2 do substantive research (MA/Phd) you really have to leave the classroom!! #eltchat
cherrymp 2:26 PM @hartle: @Marisa_C so wt makes it researching is d documenting & reporting part rt? #eltchat and reflecting mm #eltchat
rliberni 2:26 PM RT @dreadnought001: the ultimate irony of course is that to do substantive research (MA/Phd), you really have to leave the classroom!! #eltchat
Marisa_C 2:26 PM @JoHart Agree one could be part of the other  #eltchat
cioccas 2:26 PM RT @hartle: RT @DaveDodgson: @hartle But when classroom teachers do research,.... #ELTchat does that matter??? <YES!
esolcourses 2:26 PM RT @ddeubel: What about "teacher" bias? I find this the most problematic aspect of research #eltchat ] agree. All research is subjective
cherrymp 2:26 PM @DaveDodgson all res are in a way biased or filtered - prob r looked and acted up on from particular theoretical framework #eltchat
vickyloras 2:26 PM New blog by @Ilotimo http://bit.ly/jHsEeY Education Technology - Theory and Practice #edblog #edu #ELTChat #finnedchat #edtech #edtechbc
JoHart 2:27 PM @sandymillin for action research try something new but document & record especially student response/outcome #eltchat
hartle 2:27 PM Reflection is key, I think. If U cn report ideas & exchange even better...but no reflection means bad teaching  #ELTchat
garymotteram 2:27 PM #eltchat Drug trials are still only cases studies, even if they involve 1000s.
Marisa_C 2:27 PM I can attest that the one course I have taught that encouraged organised class research always produced very high calibre Ts #ELTchat
ozsolmaz 2:27 PM @garymotteram agree. sometms wrong sampling may cause 'interesting' results since all population should be properly represented #ELTchat
rliberni 2:27 PM RT @cybraryman1: Not only should teachers do research they should help students learn how to research. My Research page: http://tinyurl.com/3l6dspm #eltchat
BobK99 2:27 PM RT @hartle: ONe prob abt academic research is many researchers not classroom teachers  #ELTChat ! You can say that again (with reverb :-))
rliberni 2:27 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat All research is in the end a single case, so we build on case law, as it were.
cybraryman1 2:27 PM Not only should teachers do research they should help students learn how to research. My Research page: http://tinyurl.com/3l6dspm #eltchat
barbsaka 2:27 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat All research is in the end a single case, so we build on case law, as it were.
rliberni 2:27 PM @BobK99 thought I was on one track but seem to have got on another train now!! :-D #eltchat
garymotteram 2:27 PM #eltchat All research is in the end a single case, so we build on case law, as it were.
SueannaN 2:27 PM RT @esolcourses: RT @dreadnought001 the ultimate irony of course is that 2 do substantive research (MA/Phd) you really have to leave the classroom!! #eltchat
TheHomeworkDog 2:28 PM RT @cybraryman1: Not only should teachers do research they should help students learn how to research. My Research page: http://tinyurl.com/3l6dspm #eltchat
JoHart 2:28 PM @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C BOTH & reflective teaching we need holistic approaches not compartmentalising/silos #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:28 PM Are we saying that research is the methods we use to reflect and then act? still confused as to what res we r talking about. #eltchat
cioccas 2:28 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Drug trials are still only cases studies, even if they involve 1000s. <one of issues I have with lot of research!
rliberni 2:28 PM @BobK99 oooh yes, educationalists - don't get me started!!!! #eltchat
esolcourses 2:28 PM RT @hartle: Reflection is key, I think. If U cn report ideas & exchange even better...but no reflection means bad teaching  #ELTchat
vickyloras 2:28 PM RT @naomishema Just blogged: My Post for the έΑεDisabled Access-Friendly WorldέΑζ Blog Challenge http://bit.ly/iVxwdb #eltchat #spedchat
cherrymp 2:29 PM @cioccas: @garymotteram: #eltchat dat's y v always have a 'limitations' section i guess #eltchat
rliberni 2:29 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: Are we saying that research is the methods we use to reflect and then act? still confused as to what res we r talking about. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2:29 PM I would also like to ask when research can be considered to have some reliable and valid results #ELTchat Is that possible in teaching?
gottsled 2:29 PM RT @cybraryman1: Not only should teachers do research they should help students learn how to research. My Research page: http://tinyurl.com/3l6dspm #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:29 PM @OUPELTGlobal  Me too I think :-) #eltchat
hartle 2:29 PM I prefer the use of journals & portfolios to questionnaires, the answers on questionnaires depend on so many variables #ELTchat
rliberni 2:30 PM RT @esolcourses: RT @hartle: It's difficult to have valid results that can apply to all learners but it's important to have valid questions  #ELTchat
sandymillin 2:30 PM #eltchat So how do you progress from just reflective teaching to action research? (without doing an expensive course)
rliberni 2:30 PM RT @Imadruid: @cherrymp @hartle @Marisa_C both. Research adds to a collective knowledge base  #Eltchat Absolutely!
esolcourses 2:30 PM RT @hartle: It's difficult to have valid results that can apply to all learners but it's important to have valid questions  #ELTchat
cherrymp 2:30 PM @Marisa_C depending on number of variables things kn change #eltchat
barbsaka 2:30 PM RT @Imadruid: @cherrymp @hartle @Marisa_C both. Research adds to a collective knowledge base  #Eltchat
hartle 2:30 PM It's difficult to have valid results that can apply to all learners but it's important to have valid questions  #ELTchat
Imadruid 2:30 PM @cherrymp @hartle @Marisa_C both. Research adds to a collective knowledge base  #Eltchat
rliberni 2:30 PM RT @DaveDodgson: @hartle Plus questionnaires are more likely to 'direct' the respondents to particular answers #ELTchat
ozsolmaz 2:30 PM true! RT @dreadnought001 the ultimate irony of course is that to do substantive research (MA/Phd), you have to leave the classroom! #eltchat
SueannaN 2:30 PM RT @Marisa_C: I would also like to ask when research can be considered to have some reliable and valid results #ELTchat Is that possible in teaching?
rliberni 2:30 PM RT @Marisa_C: I would also like to ask when research can be considered to have some reliable and valid results #ELTchat Is that possible in teaching?
DaveDodgson 2:30 PM @hartle Plus questionnaires are more likely to 'direct' the respondents to particular answers #ELTchat
ozsolmaz 2:31 PM @Marisa_C proper sampling of population + suitable res. method + correct analysis of the data will incrs reliability and validity #ELTchat
barbsaka 2:31 PM RT @garymotteram: @JoHart Research is about trying to gain a better understanding of something, how we do that is not so relevant. #eltchat
rliberni 2:31 PM RT @JoHart: @Marisa_C Hmm a hard one - the scientist in me says sufficient sample & rpeatability but not always so with qualitative research #eltchat
cioccas 2:31 PM Scuse me, we're half way through, can we move on to some of other questions in the topic please :-) #ELTchat
DaveDodgson 2:31 PM RT @sandymillin: #eltchat So how do you progress from just reflective teaching to action research? (without doing an expensive course)
rliberni 2:31 PM RT @sandymillin: #eltchat So how do you progress from just reflective teaching to action research? (without doing an expensive course)
hartle 2:31 PM RT @sandymillin: #eltchat So how do you progress from just reflective teaching to action research? (without doing an expensive ..Gd question
JoHart 2:31 PM @Marisa_C Hmm a hard one - the scientist in me says sufficient sample & rpeatability but not always so with qualitative research #eltchat
garymotteram 2:31 PM RT @garymotteram: @JoHart Research is about trying to gain a better understanding of something, how we do that is not so relevant. #eltchat
sandymillin 2:31 PM RT @Marisa_C: I would also like to ask when research can be considered to have some reliable and valid results #ELTchat Is that possible in teaching?
Marisa_C 2:31 PM RT @Imadruid: @cherrymp @hartle @Marisa_C both. Research adds to a collective knowledge base  #Eltchat
rliberni 2:31 PM EFL/ESL Mentoring programme begins next week! 30/5 Time to sign up! http://bit.ly/mukGOF #eltchat #esol #efl #esl #edchat
rliberni 2:32 PM RT @DaveDodgson: @sandymillin Identify an issue & possible solution, test it, collect data & draw your conclusions #ELTchat
DaveDodgson 2:32 PM @sandymillin Identify an issue & possible solution, test it, collect data & draw your conclusions #ELTchat
esolcourses 2:32 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @sandymillin: #eltchat So how do you progress from just reflective teaching to action research? (without  xpnsv course)#eltchat
rliberni 2:32 PM RT @esolcourses: Another problem I think with formal research (particularly when it involves tech) is that things change so rapidly these days #eltchat
hartle 2:32 PM RT @JoHart: @Marisa_C Hmm but not always so with qualitative research  and with quantative?? Is it so reliable? #eltchat
esolcourses 2:32 PM Another problem I think with formal research (particularly when it involves tech) is that things change so rapidly these days #eltchat
cherrymp 2:32 PM @sandymillin need to careful document & revise d tools & methodology if needed as u progress #eltchat
rliberni 2:32 PM RT @barbsaka: RT @garymotteram: @JoHart Research is about trying to gain a better understanding of something, how we do that is not so relevant. #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:32 PM RT @sandymillin: #eltchat So how do you progress from just reflective teaching to action research? (without  xpnsv course)#eltchat
DaveDodgson 2:33 PM @rliberni @esolcourses But as we're always told "it's not the tool..." older research on tech can still be relevant #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:33 PM @rliberni seems very time-consuming #eltchat
cherrymp 2:33 PM RT @ddeubel: IMHO - I really think we need more qualitative research in ELT. There is a misconception that it isn't "strong". #eltchat>true
CoffeeAddictMe 2:33 PM @hartle what kind of research? #eltchat
cioccas 2:33 PM @garymotteram If teachers want to do research (academic or action research) where should they start and ...#ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2:33 PM The other ?s were : Role of note-taking, researching tools in ELT  #eltchat
ddeubel 2:33 PM IMHO - I really think we need more qualitative research in ELT. There is a misconception that it isn't "strong". #eltchat
Marisa_C 2:33 PM RT @Imadruid: action research is systematic, validated & published. Reflective practice isn't. #ELTchat  Validateb by quantitative research?
cherrymp 2:33 PM @hartle: @JoHart: @Marisa_C knt v limit dis qn of reliability to d res in focus rather dan gen - no res makes tall claims i think #eltchat
barbsaka 2:33 PM RT @cioccas: Scuse me, we're half way through, can we move on to some of other questions in the topic please :-) #ELTchat
JoHart 2:33 PM @Imadruid @Marisa_C @alhen_ Not so - reflective practice is often published & may be both validated & systematice #eltchat
garymotteram 2:33 PM @cioccas  #eltchat What are the other questions we are supposed to address?
Imadruid 2:33 PM @rliberni @Marisa_C valid for who? #Eltchat
ozsolmaz 2:33 PM @cioccas :)) good point #ELTchat
sandymillin 2:33 PM RT @DaveDodgson: @sandymillin Identify an issue & possible solution, test it, collect data & draw your conclusions #ELTchat
garymotteram 2:34 PM #eltchat I'm not sure you should worry about tools until you have thought about questions and methodologies. Tools come later.
rliberni 2:34 PM @Shaunwilden now I'm really confused ???*** #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:34 PM @Shaunwilden through elt chat #eltchat
hartle 2:34 PM @CoffeeAddictMe  lost the tweet for this :-(   #ELTchat
cioccas 2:34 PM @garymotteram ...Role of note-taking, researching tools in ELT  #ELTchat
cherrymp 2:34 PM note-taking is 1 area i really face prob - always wondered reading how res quote #eltchat
Marisa_C 2:34 PM RT @Shaunwilden: and  If teachers want to do research where should they start and how can they disseminate their findings well? #eltchat
barbsaka 2:34 PM RT @Shaunwilden: and  If teachers want to do research where should they start and how can they disseminate their findings well? #eltchat
cioccas 2:34 PM @garymotteram ...and how can they disseminate their findings well? #ELTchat and...
Shaunwilden 2:34 PM and  If teachers want to do research where should they start and how can they disseminate their findings well? #eltchat
cherrymp 2:34 PM RT @Shaunwilden: #eltchat on @scoopit http://bit.ly/jtDjf5 > :)
sandymillin 2:34 PM #crowdsourcing request - looking for book/film reviews frm PLN to use w/ my SS: http://wp.me/p18yiK-ai Thanks! #eltchat #elt #efl #esl #tefl
hartle 2:35 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat What sort of questions and methodolodgies do you suggest for language teachers?
OUPELTGlobal 2:35 PM RT @Marisa_C: Perhaps we can start our own page for publishing teacher research ? #ELTchat #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:35 PM RT @Marisa_C: Perhaps we can start our own page for publishing teacher research ? #ELTchat Oh good I can Add a new buttomn to the wiki :-)
cherrymp 2:35 PM u need to have a res qn or a prob - valid 1 - b4 u start #eltchat
cioccas 2:35 PM RT @Marisa_C: Perhaps we can start our own page for publishing teacher research ? #ELTchat < Ooh, like this :-)
ddeubel 2:35 PM what about the changing roles of journals? I find it hard now that there are so many non peer reviewed. What's valid? #eltchat
Imadruid 2:35 PM @Marisa_C  #Eltchat absolutely. Validation comes in many forms (now). Catalytic, academic, ecological, outcome etc.
CoffeeAddictMe 2:35 PM I want to research whether cellphones are good as tools in the EFL classroom (teenagers) my own little project :-)
sandymillin 2:35 PM RT @Shaunwilden: and  If teachers want to do research where should they start and how can they disseminate their findings well? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2:35 PM Perhaps we can start our own page for publishing teacher research ? #ELTchat
DaveDodgson 2:35 PM @Shaunwilden Best place to start is in the classroom :) #ELTchat
cherrymp 2:35 PM res tools - can't miss dat part too #eltchat
vickyloras 2:35 PM RT @rliberni: EFL/ESL Mentoring programme begins next week! 30/5 Time to sign up! http://bit.ly/mukGOF #eltchat #esol #efl #esl #edchat
garymotteram 2:36 PM #eltchat We need to find ways of getting publishers to make their journals more accessible.
sandymillin 2:36 PM RT @Marisa_C: Perhaps we can start our own page for publishing teacher research ? #ELTchat <good idea (or a blog eflresearch.wordpress free)
ddeubel 2:36 PM I think a wiki on possible research topics/questions would be great #eltchat
hartle 2:36 PM RT @DaveDodgson: @Shaunwilden Best place to start is in the classroom :) #ELTchat yes but background reading and discussion helps too
cioccas 2:36 PM RT @CoffeeAddictMe: I want to research whether cellphones are good as tools in the EFL classroom... <Go for it`! #eltchat
Marisa_C 2:36 PM @Shaunwilden the question is who would referee those instances of research ?  #ELTchat
JoHart 2:36 PM @hartle @Marisa_C Quantitative enables the application of statistics & so allows us to place a value on reliabilty/repeatabilty #eltchat
cherrymp 2:36 PM RT @Marisa_C: Perhaps we can start our own page for publishing teacher research ? #ELTchat > gr8
barbsaka 2:36 PM #jalt offers small grants for teachers who want to conduct research to encourage classroom teachers #eltchat
KarenMcca 2:36 PM @sandymillin  Thanks, still new to this kind of"research" fraid can't join in the chat "actively" cos action = finish making lunch  #eltchat
Imadruid 2:36 PM @JoHart @Marisa_C @alhen_ but it's not a defining characteristic of reflective practice. It is of AR.  #Eltchat
rliberni 2:36 PM @DaveDodgson yes research in language aquisition for eg has been on-ging for a long time & much will still be relevant I feel #eltchat
cioccas 2:37 PM In Australia at least, there is a ranking system for journals, which sways decisions about where to publish, at least for academics #ELTchat
cherrymp 2:37 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat We need to find ways of getting publishers to make their journals more accessible. >vl dey agree esp since cost?
DaveDodgson 2:37 PM @hartle Yes, but the reading should be dictated by the issue(s) from your classroom that you choose to focus on #ELTchat
rliberni 2:37 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @garymotteram: #eltchat We need to find ways of getting publishers to make their journals more accessible.> u Cn say that agn!
CoffeeAddictMe 2:37 PM @hartle ??? #eltchat which tweet did u loose?
Marisa_C 2:37 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat We need to find ways of getting publishers to make their journals more accessible.> u Cn say that agn!
OUPELTGlobal 2:37 PM RT @cioccas: RT @CoffeeAddictMe: I want to research whether cellphones are good as tools in the EFL classroom -  good topic! #eltchat
rliberni 2:37 PM @OUPELTGlobal sorry I'm a bit lost - what is time-consuming? #eltchat
hartle 2:37 PM RT @cioccas: RT @Marisa_C: Perhaps we can start our own page for publishing teacher research ? #ELTchat < Ooh, like this :-) grt idea
BobK99 2:37 PM RT W tag: @CoffeeAddictMe Quick answer: yes and no.:) #eltchat
cherrymp 2:37 PM @cioccas: @CoffeeAddictMe: I want to research whether cellphones are good as tools <for wt?> in the EFL classroom... <Go for it`! #eltchat
ozsolmaz 2:37 PM RT @Marisa_C Perhaps we can start our own page for publishing teacher research ? #ELTchat > Excellent! + how about cooperative research?
Marisa_C 2:38 PM RT @ozsolmaz: RT @barbsaka #jalt offers small grants for teachers who want to conduct research to encourage classroom teachers #eltchat
CoffeeAddictMe 2:38 PM @cherrymp @cioccas : i will :-)http://coffeeaddict.edublogs.org/2011/05/13/cell-phones-in-school-experiment-part-i/ #eltchat
hartle 2:38 PM RT @CoffeeAddictMe: @hartle ??? #eltchat when you asked me "what research?"
ozsolmaz 2:38 PM RT @barbsaka #jalt offers small grants for teachers who want to conduct research to encourage classroom teachers #eltchat > great to hear it
cherrymp 2:38 PM @cioccas where is this ranking sys available? online? #eltchat
rliberni 2:38 PM RT @cioccas: In Australia at least, there is a ranking system for journals, which sways decisions about where to publish, at least for academics #ELTchat
JoHart 2:38 PM @Imadruid @Marisa_C @alhen_ pls give defining chars of reflective practice #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:38 PM @BobK99 But how do you know without research? #eltchat
rliberni 2:39 PM RT @cioccas: Australian journal ranking list: http://bit.ly/kCHJbh  #ELTchat (hope I got the right link)
CoffeeAddictMe 2:39 PM @RaniPillai @cioccas : the be.g of a plan: http://coffeeaddict.edublogs.org/2011/05/13/cell-phones-in-school-experiment-part-i/ #eltchat
cioccas 2:39 PM Australian journal ranking list: http://bit.ly/kCHJbh  #ELTchat (hope I got the right link)
cherrymp 2:39 PM @CoffeeAddictMe: @cherrymp @cioccas vl check if access is not denied ;) #eltchat
ozsolmaz 2:39 PM @CoffeeAddictMe Go for the project Karin! Sounds great! ;) #ELTchat
ddeubel 2:39 PM @JoHart @hartle @Marisa_C Qualitative and ethnography also allow for statistical analysis and repeatability. #eltchat
CoffeeAddictMe 2:39 PM @BobK99 : did you try with your students? #eltchat
hartle 2:39 PM RT @DaveDodgson: @hartle Yes, but the reading should be dictated by the issue(s) from your classroom ... #ELTchat agreed
sandymillin 2:39 PM RT @naomishema: Just blogged: My Post for the έΑεDisabled Access-Friendly WorldέΑζ Blog Challenge http://bit.ly/iVxwdb #eltchat #spedchat
cherrymp 2:40 PM RT @cioccas: Australian journal ranking list: http://bit.ly/kCHJbh  #ELTchat (hope I got the right link) - guess u dd
ozsolmaz 2:40 PM #ELTchat does anyone also think that R journals reply very late and it takes much time to publish the studies you have conducted?
hartle 2:40 PM Particularly new Ts need help, access to journals etc. 2 know what 2 read, where 2 start or they fall back onto "the usual" #ELTchat
CoffeeAddictMe 2:40 PM @ozsolmaz : thanks! hi btw. how r u? #eltchat
sandymillin 2:40 PM RT @DaveDodgson: So, when doing (action) research, how do you go about collecting data? #ELTchat
BobK99 2:40 PM @CoffeeAddictMe  I've had none for the last two years ;-( - but anyway, no #eltchat
DaveDodgson 2:40 PM So, when doing (action) research, how do you go about collecting data? #ELTchat
cherrymp 2:40 PM google scholar is a good research tool to get things org #eltchat
glazaro 2:40 PM RT @DaveDodgson: All of these journals are openly accessible online: http://bit.ly/9f7P5s #ELTchat
garymotteram 2:41 PM #eltchat Joining a professional organisation like IATEFL or JALT can help get you started with research. Meeting like-minded people.
Imadruid 2:41 PM @JoHart @Marisa_C @alhen_ I would say it's practitioner-based reflection on self- or other-directed activity. That's it.  #Eltchat
DaveDodgson 2:41 PM @ozsolmaz True but I think the voloume of submissions contributes to that #ELTchat
lolonagi 2:41 PM RT @Marisa_C: #celt Suggest your top two or three Twitter users to my CELTA trainees pls - RT? #efl #esl #ELTchat Who should they follow?
Marisa_C 2:41 PM #celt Suggest your top two or three Twitter users to my CELTA trainees pls - RT? #efl #esl #ELTchat Who should they follow?
hartle 2:42 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Joining a professional organisation like IATEFL or JALT can help get you started with research. Meeting like-minded people.
rliberni 2:42 PM What about big pic research like lang acquisition, brain func, new methodologies, social & cultural devels are these imp? #eltchat
cherrymp 2:42 PM checking index of res pub by sme journals is also a good place to start with #eltchat
JoHart 2:42 PM @ddeubel @hartle @Marisa_C Umm! sorry didn't mean to say not just quant easier to apply stats - I try to use semi-quat of qual info #eltchat
barbsaka 2:42 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat prof organisations like IATEFL or JALT can help get you started with research. Meeting like-minded people.
cioccas 2:42 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Joining a professional organisation like IATEFL or JALT can help get you started with research. < AGree!
CoffeeAddictMe 2:42 PM @ozsolmaz : I've never tried 2 publish anything. where would I publish? #eltchat
DaveDodgson 2:42 PM @ozsolmaz Plus the fact that reviewers/editors etc probably have several other jobs & projects as well #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2:42 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Joining a professional organisation like IATEFL or JALT can help get you started with research. Meeting like-minded people.
cioccas 2:42 PM RT @ozsolmaz: #ELTchat ...R journals reply very late and it takes much time to publish the studies you have conducted? YES!
ozsolmaz 2:42 PM @Marisa_C @ShellTerrell @ozge @brad5patterson just three of them but must-follow! #celt #efl #esl #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2:43 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: It seems what we r saying is that it's imp to be up to date. Is that the purpose of doing res? #eltchat
rliberni 2:43 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Language Learning and Technology is a rated journal and is free.
hartle 2:43 PM RT @CoffeeAddictMe: @ozsolmaz : I've never tried 2 publish ... where would I publish? #eltchat ELTJournal of MET for mr general articles
OUPELTGlobal 2:43 PM It seems what we r saying is that it's imp to be up to date. Is that the purpose of doing res? #eltchat
garymotteram 2:43 PM #eltchat Language Learning and Technology is a rated journal and is free.
CoffeeAddictMe 2:43 PM @ozsolmaz : good luck with ur defense! #eltchat
cioccas 2:43 PM @rliberni I think so, but sometimes I need them interpreted in simple language to understand & apply #ELTchat
CoffeeAddictMe 2:43 PM @ozsolmaz : I have my MA already :-) in British Lit #eltchat
esolcourses 2:43 PM @DaveDodgson @rliberni yes, may "still" be relevant, but we shouldn't assume it is. Newer pedagogies may have since emerged  #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2:43 PM RT @ozsolmaz: @cioccas that's the right link! Thanks Lesley, good resource! #eltchat
ozsolmaz 2:43 PM RT @Marisa_C #celt Suggest your top two or three Twitter users to my CELTA trainees pls - RT? #efl #esl #ELTchat Who should they follow?
hartle 2:44 PM RT @rliberni: What about big pic research  #eltchat Incredible effect on efl writing slowly, over time, so also on Ts.
Imadruid 2:44 PM #Eltchat signing off from interesting discussion. Work calls. What time tonight?
Marisa_C 2:44 PM Many teachers afraid of research - reeks of academia #ELTchat and not interested in reading it
rliberni 2:44 PM RT @barbsaka: #jalt members interested in research (and collaboration) created a group to support each other: http://mashcollaboration.com/ #eltchat
CoffeeAddictMe 2:44 PM @DaveDodgson : surveys? (I'm thinking of using surveys to coll. data after testing out my cellphoneapproch with grade8 #eltchat
vbenevolofranca 2:44 PM @DaveDodgson @ozsolmaz Sorry joining late, but also think many journals still based on highly "academic" research paradigm #ELTchat
ozsolmaz 2:44 PM @DaveDodgson we sent an article, they sent review, we resent, then two new referees reviewed once again :O (agree with your pts!) #eltchat
barbsaka 2:44 PM #jalt members interested in research (and collaboration) created a group to support each other: http://mashcollaboration.com/ #eltchat
rliberni 2:44 PM @OUPELTGlobal certainly the purpose of reading about it #eltchat
cherrymp 2:44 PM @cioccas: @rliberni that's a good pt - pub res in simple lang to make it accessible to a wider teacher base #ELTchat
garymotteram 2:44 PM #eltchat As is AJET -- Australasian Journal of Ed Tech.
cioccas 2:44 PM @CoffeeAddictMe I'm doing my second Masters at the moment, so you can also go back for more :) #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2:45 PM RT @Marisa_C: Many teachers afraid of research - reeks of academia #ELTchat and not interested in reading it
cioccas 2:45 PM @Marisa_C:  #ELTchat  And academia partly to blame as much is unreadable :-)
rliberni 2:45 PM @Marisa_C  isn't this dangerous for our industry? #eltchat
esolcourses 2:45 PM RT @vbenevolofranca: @DaveDodgson @ozsolmaz Sorry joining late, but also think many journals still based on highly "academic" research paradigm #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2:45 PM @Imadruid @21:00 london time - see u later  #Eltchat
DaveDodgson 2:45 PM @OUPELTGlobal Rather than being up to date, I'd say exploring opportuntites & solutions to issues in your context #ELTchat
ozsolmaz 2:45 PM @CoffeeAddictMe you can conduct your study and send it to related journals. here is one: http://llt.msu.edu/ #eltchat
seburnt 2:45 PM Practical LINOIT in the classroom http://bit.ly/mzNRPq #eltchat #edtech #eltrie
WarwickLinguist 2:45 PM RT @ShellTerrell: Characteristics of Highly Effective Teachers of English via @cherrymp http://bit.ly/mBOiTA #eltchat #esl #ellchat #tesol
Marisa_C 2:46 PM @garymotteram I don't, Gary, just reporting an attitude  #eltchat
CoffeeAddictMe 2:46 PM @ozsolmaz gr8! thanks! Perhaps I will #eltchat
DaveDodgson 2:46 PM @OUPELTGlobal There are many ways to share and publish these days :) #ELTchat
cioccas 2:46 PM @hartle first one TESOL, now doing Online Ed #ELTchat
timjulian60 2:46 PM @cioccas  you beat me to it! was gonna say same thing #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:46 PM @cioccas @Marisa_C I think you both have a point #eltchat
garymotteram 2:46 PM #eltchat 'reeks of academia' -- Why do we persist in seeing academia as a 'bad thing' :-) ?
JoHart 2:46 PM #eltchat do we need to "publish"? we blog, we present, we share - only reason to publish is if we need for qual
DaveDodgson 2:46 PM @ozsolmaz And varying opinions. One piece I submitted was said to need 'minor changes' by one reviewer, complete rewrite by another #ELTchat
ozsolmaz 2:46 PM @vbenevolofranca that's so true, can't agree more! #eltchat
CoffeeAddictMe 2:46 PM @cioccas NOOOOO way - the first one was enough! :-) what's ur second and why r u not rather doing a PhD??? #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:46 PM @DaveDodgson Not necessary to share it or publish it, then? #eltchat
hartle 2:46 PM @cioccas  what's yr MA in?  #ELTchat
serawrites 2:46 PM RT @Ilotimo: RT @ShellTerrell: Characteristics of Highly Effective Teachers of English via @cherrymp http://bit.ly/mBOiTA #eltchat  #edchat #finnedchat
hartle 2:47 PM If You don't want a journal thts 2 academic but thts serious try MET http://bit.ly/lgubO8  #ELTchat
cherrymp 2:47 PM @garymotteram guess d academic language scares or put off teachers - esp who have not much background in reading such things #eltchat
garymotteram 2:47 PM #eltchat Academia is simply another part of the community of practitioners involved in the ELT world.  Maybe they do different things.
pjgallantry 2:47 PM sorry to have missed what looks like a fascinating conversation! :( #eltchat
DaveDodgson 2:47 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat 'reeks of academia' -- Why do we persist in seeing academia as a 'bad thing' :-)
rliberni 2:47 PM @cioccas I think the academic stuff forms a bedrock from which other ideas and methodologies flow it's important to keep current #eltchat
JoHart 2:47 PM @Shaunwilden @cioccas @Marisa_C #eltchat academia not bad per se but the way it is used/exploited can be
ozsolmaz 2:47 PM @cioccas Wow! inspiring for a person who is about to finish his First MA thesis :)) #me #ELTchat
wellmichelle 2:47 PM @OUPELTGlobal It also keeps us motivated and interested in what we do, and allows teachers to see their work in a new way #eltchat
rliberni 2:48 PM @garymotteram true but they are the ones with the time to reflect and observe and this can inform us (or not - sometimes) #eltchat
CoffeeAddictMe 2:48 PM @DaveDodgson @garymotteram :didn't think we did. #eltchat
hartle 2:48 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat  maybe we need more bridges betwn academia and the language school classroom teacher
OUPELTGlobal 2:48 PM RT @cioccas: @ozsolmaz I just love learning new stuff, that's all ;-) #ELTchat #eltchat
Marisa_C 2:48 PM To a certain extent, academia threatens many ELT Ts becos many come to TEFL w/o a strong academic background #ELTchat
ozsolmaz 2:48 PM @CoffeeAddictMe survey for quantitative data + interview for qualitative data (mixed-methods research) would help you #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2:48 PM @garymotteram Isn't it because people equate acaedmia with being a little inaccessible  - a bit beyond a 4-week certs knowledge? #eltchat
BobK99 2:48 PM @cioccas Took the words out of my buccal orifice! #ELTchat
cioccas 2:48 PM @ozsolmaz I just love learning new stuff, that's all ;-) #ELTchat
bamarcia 2:48 PM RT @sandymillin: Really like the new random task generator from @David_Triptico Download here www.triptico.co.uk #eltchat #efl #esl #esol┬ι#elt #tefl
esolcourses 2:49 PM RT @Marisa_C: @hartle but to do this we must change the language or code used in academia and make it more accessible to Ts  #eltchat
marekandrews 2:49 PM #VALUE!
Marisa_C 2:49 PM @hartle but to do this we must change the language or code used in academia and make it more accessible to Ts  #eltchat
cioccas 2:49 PM @rliberni I don't  have a problem with academia, but believe we need stronger links between theory and practice #ELTchat
ozsolmaz 2:49 PM RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Academia is simply another part of the community of practitioners involved in the ELT world.  Maybe they do different things.
vbenevolofranca 2:49 PM @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Because focus is on very specific research issues not nec connected to classroom but theory & proving points #ELTchat
CoffeeAddictMe 2:49 PM @Marisa_C :all the more reason they should get into it :-D #eltchat
garymotteram 2:49 PM RT @hartle: RT @garymotteram: #eltchat  maybe we need more bridges betwn academia and the language school classroom teacher > Here I am :-)
cherrymp 2:49 PM http://bit.ly/lX5PAI a research tool; bt needs membership #eltchat
ozsolmaz 2:49 PM @DaveDodgson headache! oh well, we keep working but it is indeed demotivating #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2:49 PM RT @hartle: RT @garymotteram: #eltchat  maybe we need more bridges betwn academia and the language school classroom teacher > agree
pjgallantry 2:50 PM I try to keep up a stream of classroom-based action research:1 prob of 'academia' can be is that it deals with ideal class environs #eltchat
cherrymp 2:50 PM y not sb writes on good res (that's accessible) to generate sme interest among all to read? #eltchat
BobK99 2:50 PM @Marisa_C  Stick with 'code'! #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:50 PM @cioccas isn't that what the teacher does? #eltchat
cioccas 2:50 PM RT @Marisa_C: @hartle but to do this we must change the language or code used in academia and make it more accessible to Ts  #eltchat Yes!
rliberni 2:50 PM @hartle I do hope that there are bridges already otherwise what are they doing - research for research's sake? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:50 PM RT @vbenevolofranca: Because focus is on very specific research issues not nec connected to classroom but theory & proving points #ELTchat
rliberni 2:51 PM @vbenevolofranca @Shaunwilden if that's the case then we're wasting an awful lot of time and money!!  Surely research is to inform #eltchat
cioccas 2:51 PM RT @hartle: You can also share action based reasearch at conferences like IATEFL and publish the papers afterwards  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2:51 PM The role of academic journals in maintaining a "high code" or making it more accessible is crucial #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2:51 PM @CoffeeAddictMe Completely agree #eltchat
hartle 2:51 PM You can also share action based reasearch at conferences like IATEFL and publish the papers afterwards  #ELTchat
CoffeeAddictMe 2:51 PM @vbenevolofranca @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C : so "small scale" action research by teachers in ESL/EFL classrooms should be encouraged #ELTchat
cioccas 2:51 PM RT @JoHart: #eltchat I have worked both sides of academic divide & feel academia often does not take on board the real world
ozsolmaz 2:51 PM RT @garymotteram Journals are much faster these days because they are online and the production process is much faster. #eltchat
cioccas 2:51 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: as we head to the last 10 mins - research is what good teachers do, sharing it is what we all should do, right? #eltchat
DaveDodgson 2:51 PM What kind of research would you be interested in reading? (Just asking as I think about potential thesis topics :)) #ELTchat
cioccas 2:51 PM RT @rliberni: ... what are they doing - research for research's sake? #eltchat <Quite often YES, just to keep their jobs! #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:51 PM as we head to the last 10 mins - research is what good teachers do, sharing it is what we all should do, right? #eltchat
JoHart 2:51 PM #eltchat I have worked both sides of academic divide & feel academia often does not take on board the real world
russell1955 2:51 PM RT @Marisa_C: #celt Suggest your top two or three Twitter users to my CELTA trainees pls - RT? #efl #esl #ELTchat Who should they follow?
Shaunwilden 2:52 PM @rliberni I do s/times think it is the case to be honest #eltchat
cherrymp 2:52 PM @rliberni: @vbenevolofranca @Shaunwilden Surely research is to inform #eltchat >agree
JoHart 2:52 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: as we head to last 10 mins - resrch is wht gd tchers do, sharing it is what we all shld do, right? #eltchat < Absolutely>
sandymillin 2:52 PM @DaveDodgson Any research where I can see a direct classroom application #ELTchat
pjgallantry 2:52 PM 1 issue of research in elt/langs is how does one do objective analysis of student performance/improvement? #eltchat
CoffeeAddictMe 2:52 PM @OUPELTGlobal : RIGHT! #ELTchat
cherrymp 2:52 PM @DaveDodgson sth that kud improve everyday classroom reality - be it ath #eltchat
sandymillin 2:53 PM How can you motivate Ts to do reseach if they're not on a course? #eltchat
rliberni 2:53 PM Beginning to feel quite jaded about this whole area, must remove the rose-tinted specs - not sure I'll like what I see! #eltchat
cioccas 2:53 PM @OUPELTGlobal Yes, but sometimes the gap btwn theoretical research & practice is too wide to bridge #ELTchat
barbsaka 2:53 PM @Marisa_C seems like most prof organizations have 2 tiers--vetted journal for "hard" research, and newsletters for action-type  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2:53 PM @rliberni Not really - I get a lot of MA in Elt or relevant doing DELTA who still find it a challenge!  #eltchat
hartle 2:53 PM RT @JoHart: RT @OUPELTGlobal:  - resrch is wht gd tchers do, sharing it is what we all shld do, right? #eltchat < Yeah!!!
cherrymp 2:53 PM @JoHart: RT @OUPELTGlobal: resrch is wht gd tchers do, sharing it is what we all shld do, right? #eltchat < Absolutely> yeah
pjgallantry 2:53 PM ...or, should I say, how can one compare 'success' of one methodology/approach over another? #eltchat
ozsolmaz 2:53 PM RT @DaveDodgson What kind of research would you be interested in reading? (Just asking as I think about potential thesis topics :)) #ELTchat
DeronDurflinger 2:53 PM RT @ShellTerrell: Characteristics of Highly Effective Teachers of English via @cherrymp http://bit.ly/mBOiTA #eltchat #esl #ellchat #tesol
esolcourses 2:54 PM @cioccas @timjulian60 @Marisa_C IME, people who turn in unreadable research ought to be handed it back & asked to rewrite it :-) #ELTChat
cioccas 2:54 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: @sandymillin by sharing with others. I find that always motivates me - like this discussion #eltchat < Oh yeah!
cioccas 2:54 PM @rliberni I think what we need is more teachers doing research for themselves and other teachers #ELTchat
JoHart 2:54 PM #eltchat have to leave thankyou - I so love #eltchat even tho' am literacy not lang teacher & appreciate being included :)
Shaunwilden 2:54 PM RT @marekandrews: much ELT research is written in a way which is inaccessible to practising language ts+ is 2 much research on than research with #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:54 PM @sandymillin by sharing with others. I find that always motivates me - like this discussion #eltchat
DaveDodgson 2:54 PM @sandymillin That's an issue - a lot of teachers won't do it without external impetus #ELTchat
marekandrews 2:54 PM much ELT research is written in a way which is inaccessible to practising language ts+ is 2 much research on than research with #eltchat
Marisa_C 2:54 PM RT @hartle: RT @Marisa_C: @rliberni Not really - I get them doing CELTA and thy find it a challenge!! #eltchat > Me too:-)
edyoucation 2:54 PM RT @Marisa_C ..role of academic journals in maintaining a "high code" or more accessible #ELTchat | Audience: self-serving / preservation?
cherrymp 2:54 PM RT @sandymillin: How can you motivate Ts to do reseach if they're not on a course? #eltchat>giving deir res more visibility
CoffeeAddictMe 2:54 PM @rliberni @vbenevolofranca @Shaunwilden i think research is also 2 learn and t2 test an idea - perhaps not to share if it fails :-) #ELTchat
vbenevolofranca 2:54 PM @garymotteram Don't think its bad, think there needs 2 be understanding there needs 2 be rapprochment between practice & theory #eltchat
hartle 2:54 PM RT @Marisa_C: @rliberni Not really - I get them doing CELTA and thy find it a challenge!! #eltchat
barbsaka 2:54 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: as we head to the last 10 mins - research is what good teachers do, sharing it is what we all should do, right? #eltchat
cioccas 2:55 PM @garymotteram Agree, but some do it much better than others #ELTchat
hartle 2:55 PM I still think reflection is the key and then try it out and share it in whatever way you can   #ELTchat
esolcourses 2:55 PM RT @cioccas: @rliberni I think what we need is more teachers doing research for themselves and other teachers #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 2:55 PM RT @cioccas: @rliberni I think what we need is more teachers doing research for themselves and other teachers #ELTchat #eltchat
DaveDodgson 2:55 PM @CoffeeAddictMe But reflecting on why smt 'failed' is often as useful as reporting on success #ELTchat
garymotteram 2:55 PM #eltchat Academics do try to synthesis ideas and provide an overview, true, they also try to build on ideas that come from classrooms.
hartle 2:55 PM RT @cioccas: @rliberni I think what we need is more teachers doing research for themselves and other teachers #ELTchat I agree
rliberni 2:56 PM @CoffeeAddictMe failure isn't bad if we can learn from it but hobby research to indulge academics smacks of charlatanism - not good #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2:56 PM @CoffeeAddictMe @rliberni @vbenevolofranca Sharing even if fails is a good thing isnt it - we learn from that as well #eltchat
esolcourses 2:56 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @hartle: RT @garymotteram: #eltchat  maybe we need more bridges betwn academia and the language school classroom teacher > agree
Marisa_C 2:56 PM Which journals would you recommend reporting research of value to a classroom teacher ? #ELTchat
CoffeeAddictMe 2:56 PM @vbenevolofranca @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C : yes! #ELTchat
cioccas 2:56 PM RT @barbsaka: @JoHart  #eltchat  You always add to the quality, Jo! Hear hear!
Marisa_C 2:56 PM RT @vbenevolofranca: @CoffeeAddictMe @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C All in favour of this & think this also needs to be shared #ELTchat
CoffeeAddictMe 2:56 PM @ozsolmaz @garymotteram : but which are considered prestigious? #ELTchat
cherrymp 2:56 PM @OUPELTGlobal @cioccas: @rliberni I think what we need is more teachers doing research for themselves and other teachers #ELTchat >report it
barbsaka 2:56 PM @JoHart @JoHart  #eltchat  You always add to the quality, Jo!
vbenevolofranca 2:56 PM @CoffeeAddictMe @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C All in favour of this & think this also needs to be shared #ELTchat
CoffeeAddictMe 2:57 PM @OUPELTGlobal @cioccas @rliberni : from all the blogs I read these days - looks like many people r doing that already #ELTchat
JoHart 2:57 PM @barbsaka Thank you - I love you guys & your  #eltchat when I can catch them they are always so lively & challenge the mind :)
vbenevolofranca 2:57 PM RT @barbsaka: @Marisa_C seems like most prof organizations have 2 tiers--vetted journal for "hard" research, and newsletters for action-type  #ELTchat
cioccas 2:57 PM RT @DaveDodgson: @CoffeeAddictMe But reflecting on why smt 'failed' is often as useful as reporting on success #ELTchat
cherrymp 2:57 PM RT @Marisa_C: Which journals would you recommend reporting research of value to a classroom teacher ? #ELTchat
barbsaka 2:57 PM RT @Marisa_C: Which journals would you recommend reporting research of value to a classroom teacher ? #ELTchat
fionamau 2:57 PM RT @Marisa_C: #celt Suggest your top two or three Twitter users to my CELTA trainees pls - RT? #efl #esl #ELTchat Who should they follow?
fionamau 2:57 PM @Marisa_C Only two or  three??? That's hard! They'd be better off joining #eltchat and choosing a few tweeters... so many gems, 3 is too few
garymotteram 2:58 PM #eltchat Most of the journals I read include articles that involve teachers report their research, few are highly academic.
OUPELTGlobal 2:58 PM @CoffeeAddictMe Ah yes, blogs - a good way to share classroom research. #eltchat
sandymillin 2:58 PM Thanks for an interesting #eltchat. Looking forward to trying out some action research when I start my new job next month!
cioccas 2:59 PM RT @ozsolmaz: @barbsaka @Marisa_C Language Learning & Technology is one of them and open-access http://llt.msu.edu/ #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2:59 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: @CoffeeAddictMe Ah yes, blogs - a good way to share classroom research. #eltchat
esolcourses 2:59 PM RT @seburnt: With all the blogs now, I pay little attention to journals anymore. #eltchat @barbsaka @Marisa_C ] Same here, I have to say...
garymotteram 2:59 PM #eltchat ELTJ is one exaxmple; CALL and ReCALL others; AJET, too (not ELT, but contains articles on ELT).
barbsaka 2:59 PM @garymotteram Can you recommend a couple of not-so-highly academic journals for classroom teachers? #eltchat
rliberni 2:59 PM @CoffeeAddictMe hobby research? It's fine if it's on their own time  & their own ideas but as a paid academic it's scandalous #eltchat
CoffeeAddictMe 2:59 PM @rliberni :what about hobby research" just to learn what works or not so u don't make the same mistake twice? That's what Im doin #ELTchat
hartle 2:59 PM Thnx for an interesting chat everyone. Have to go now, and thanx to the moderators...efficient as ever :-)  #ELTchat
seburnt 2:59 PM With all the blogs now, I pay little attention to journals anymore. #eltchat @barbsaka @Marisa_C
edutweeter 2:59 PM RT @Marisa_C: #celt Suggest your top two or three Twitter users to my CELTA trainees pls - RT? #efl #esl #ELTchat Who should they follow?
Shaunwilden 3:00 PM RT @seburnt: With all the blogs now, I pay little attention to journals anymore. #eltchat  Me too
barbsaka 3:00 PM @Marisa_C Why not long? #ELTchat
garymotteram 3:00 PM #eltchat Someone mentioned MET, that's good, too.
Marisa_C 3:00 PM Here is a page which you may find useful - won't be up for long though http://bit.ly/jKsuoR #ELTchat
vbenevolofranca 3:00 PM @Shaunwilden @CoffeeAddictMe @rliberni Sharing even if fails is a good thing isnt it - we learn from that as well #eltchat #eltchat>yes!
cherrymp 3:00 PM ty all for another wonderful, thought inspiring 1 hr - like to c d summary soon #eltchat
canyourecommend 3:00 PM #canyourecommend RT @barbsaka @garymotteram Can you recommend a couple of not-so-highly academic journals for classroom teachers? #eltchat
tefldust 3:00 PM RT @paksorn: Summary of #ELTchat έΑεWhat makes a good Director of Studies (DoS)? What should DoSέΑβs be doing ...?έΑζ | #ELTchat http://j.mp/iPO6Al
EHerrod 3:00 PM RT @sandymillin: #crowdsourcing request - looking for book/film reviews frm PLN to use w/ my SS: http://wp.me/p18yiK-ai Thanks! #eltchat #elt #efl #esl #tefl
barbsaka 3:01 PM @CoffeeAddictMe Don't think they can have time to do research, but can benefit from following :-) #ELTchat
BobK99 3:01 PM Bye - and thx to evry1 esp mods #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 3:01 PM @CoffeeAddictMe  I don't think they do have time #eltchat
ozsolmaz 3:01 PM @CoffeeAddictMe not matter if they are prestigious or not, many journals have good standards to publish, i think #eltchat
CoffeeAddictMe 3:01 PM @Shaunwilden @seburnt : me 2! :-) #ELTchat
Marisa_C 3:01 PM @barbsaka Changing my website structure soon so it will be moved  #ELTchat
seburnt 3:01 PM RT @Marisa_C: Here is a page which you may find useful - won't be up for long though http://bit.ly/jKsuoR #ELTchat
cioccas 3:01 PM RT @CoffeeAddictMe: @barbsaka @Marisa_C : i wonder how full-time teachers could have time for "hard" research? #ELTchat < Too true!
CoffeeAddictMe 3:01 PM @barbsaka @Marisa_C : i wonder how full-time teachers could have time for "hard" research? #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 3:02 PM Thanks every1 for an inspiring chat. and thanks to the moderators for a nother great job! #eltchat
cioccas 3:02 PM Thanks everyone, esp our fabulous #ELTchat moderators and guest mod @garymotteram
garymotteram 3:02 PM RT @Marisa_C: Here is a page which you may find useful - won't be up for long though http://bit.ly/jKsuoR #ELTchat > Good list.
esolcourses 3:02 PM RT @Marisa_C: Here is a page which you may find useful - won't be up for long though http://bit.ly/jKsuoR #ELTchat
barbsaka 3:02 PM Thanks to @garymotteram for sharing his excellent expertise with us! I learned a lot from you :-) #eltchat
esolcourses 3:02 PM @seburnt @barbsaka @Marisa_C  also many teacher development books these days (such as DELTA series) much more readable/accessible  #eltchat
KarenInGreece 3:03 PM Spent morning running around at the bank and tax office. Missed #ELTchat again. Hope I can make it tonight!
CoffeeAddictMe 3:03 PM @rliberni : oh yeah - i understand. i 4got that many ELTteachers are really Univ. part-time teachers part-time scientists #ELTchat
rliberni 3:03 PM Thanks everyone interesting chat  keeping us mods on our toes! Thnx to @barbsaka @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C  & @garymotteram #eltchat
barbsaka 3:03 PM @Marisa_C great list! #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 3:04 PM @garymotteram Thanks for joining us #eltchat
cioccas 3:04 PM Great #ELTchat as ever!  Usually can't manage the second one these days, too early in the morning here in Australia :-)
DaveDodgson 3:04 PM RT @ozsolmaz: @CoffeeAddictMe I recommend you to follow TOJET. http://www.tojet.net/ many cases of technology and lang. learning from Turkey #eltchat
garymotteram 3:04 PM #ELTchat Great chat, I enjoyed it.
ozsolmaz 3:04 PM @CoffeeAddictMe I recommend you to follow TOJET. http://www.tojet.net/ many cases of technology and lang. learning from Turkey #eltchat
rliberni 3:05 PM @seburnt no, unless you count the comments? #eltchat
CoffeeAddictMe 3:05 PM @rliberni :do they research lots of useless stuff? i mean no practical use in the classroom #ELTchat
Marisa_C 3:05 PM Thank you all for a great chat and many thanks to @garymotteram who added his expertise to our team of moderators today!    #eltchat
ozsolmaz 3:05 PM RT @rliberni: Thanks everyone interesting chat  keeping us mods on our toes! Thnx to @barbsaka @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C  & @garymotteram #eltchat
rliberni 3:05 PM @CoffeeAddictMe good luck with the mobile research I think they have gr8 potential but are over-hyped #eltchat
RaniPillai 3:05 PM RT @garymotteram: #ELTchat Great chat, I enjoyed it.
ozsolmaz 3:05 PM It was great to follow all of your tweets everyone. Thanks so much @garymotteram @barbsaka and the rest of all for great tips! #eltchat
seburnt 3:05 PM True... and blogs aren't peer-reviewed... @CoffeeAddictMe @rliberni #eltchat
sandymillin 3:05 PM #eltpics is all flavours of #technology (IT, appliances, 'old' tech...) http://bit.ly/jUJ4Xt What can you add? #eltchat #elt #efl #esl #esol
Marisa_C 3:06 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Did anyone volunteer to do the summary ;-) ? #eltchat
rliberni 3:06 PM @CoffeeAddictMe so I'm led to believe which did not used to be the case #eltchat
Shaunwilden 3:06 PM Did anyone volunteer to do the summary ;-) ? #eltchat
CoffeeAddictMe 3:07 PM @rliberni :why? what happened? run out of good topics? #ELTchat
cherrymp 3:07 PM RT @fionamau: @Marisa_C Only two or  three??? That's hard! They'd be better off joining #eltchat and choosinέΑο (cont) http://deck.ly/~GB5yB
esolcourses 3:08 PM @Marisa_C thnks 4 the link - have added it 2 my CPD in Education links on @scoopit http://t.co/BeBm1wb let me know when U change it #ELTChat
CoffeeAddictMe 3:09 PM @seburnt @rliberni :well, peers read them & comment... #ELTchat
seburnt 3:09 PM @rliberni Interesting suggestion RE comments.  Not sure I'd qualify them as scholarly advice.  ;)  #eltchat
Marisa_C 3:09 PM @barbsaka @garymotteram  Thanks !  Will try to keep may be on a blog or wiki? #ELTchat
cherrymp 3:09 PM PLN I've put up a google form on distinctions b'w #ESL and #EFL - plz respond http://bit.ly/jFNDen #eltchat #tesl #tefl
Marisa_C 3:10 PM Anyone doing this fabulous summary? #ELTchat
esolcourses 3:10 PM thanks for another great #eltchat folks, and to @rliberni @barbsaka @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C  & @garymotteram for moderating!

 

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