Transcript of the 12 BST #eltchat on 24.05.2011 on the importance of research in ELT
| garymotteram | 2:00 PM | #eltchat I think it is an important topic to make time for |
| cherrymp | 2:00 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat I think it is an important topic to make time for. > agree |
| barbsaka | 2:00 PM | Why do you think that, @garymotteram? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden | 2:00 PM | @rliberni at the moment? Does that we can expect more or you're off early? ;-) #eltchat |
| garymotteram | 2:00 PM | #eltchat I think it is an important topic to make time for. |
| rliberni | 2:00 PM | Pls ask us if you need any help #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:01 PM | Hello everyone #eltchat |
| esolcourses | 2:01 PM | RT @rliberni: Welcome to #eltchat today How important is research in ELT? your moderators are @barbsaka , @Shaunwilden and myself |
| TyKendall | 2:01 PM | #ELTCHAT just woke up from a nap, dont expect anything coherent for 10 mins :-) |
| garymotteram | 2:01 PM | #eltchat The fact that we have to ask this question at all seems to me to be symptomatic of a lack of interesέΑο (cont) http://deck.ly/~022gq |
| cherrymp | 2:01 PM | research makes elt professional, accountable #eltchat |
| ozsolmaz | 2:01 PM | @rliberni yes, I am involved in research. I'm currently finishing up my masters thesis and believe in the importance of research #ELTchat |
| hartle | 2:01 PM | Hello Gary nice to see you #ELTChat |
| DaveDodgson | 2:01 PM | @garymotteram That's way I'm here as thoughts turn to the DRC & thesis for next year :) #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:01 PM | Please welcome @garymotteram who has agreed to help with the moderation today as this is a topic that forms part of his work #eltchat |
| BobK99 | 2:01 PM | @rliberni @guardian Cuts preventing refugees from integrating...http://t.co/GTXOpjr via @guardian #eltchat ... #esol! Selbstverstehenlich |
| cioccas | 2:02 PM | My tweets for the next hour will be dedicated to #eltchat on How important is research in ELT? |
| timjulian60 | 2:02 PM | If research gives insight into how stds learn which we can feed into our classroom practice I can think of nothing more valuable #eltchat |
| esolcourses | 2:02 PM | would definitely say there is a place for research, but I also think that all research is subjective to a certain extent #eltchat |
| barbsaka | 2:02 PM | Sure :-) RT @hartle: Can we talk abt different types of research... quantative vs. qualitative? #ELTChat |
| rliberni | 2:02 PM | RT @TyKendall: #ELTCHAT just woke up from a nap, dont expect anything coherent for 10 mins :-) |
| hartle | 2:02 PM | Can we talk abt different types of research... quantative vs. qualitative? #ELTChat |
| BobK99 | 2:02 PM | My tweets for the next hour will be dedicated to #eltchat. Hullo everyone :-) |
| rliberni | 2:02 PM | @Shaunwilden you see! and @garymotteram and @Marisa_C will also be moderating - ask if you get stuck :-) #eltchat |
| barbsaka | 2:02 PM | Thanks for joining us, @garymotteram #eltchat Appreciate your insight! |
| DaveDodgson | 2:02 PM | @ozsolmaz What's your research topic? #ELTchat |
| fionamau | 2:02 PM | RT @cherrymp: @SoaresLena welcome to twitter - do visit #eltchat & c how vibrant a community v r :) |
| cherrymp | 2:02 PM | @SoaresLena welcome to twitter - do visit #eltchat & c how vibrant a community v r :) |
| barbsaka | 2:02 PM | #VALUE! |
| Shaunwilden | 2:03 PM | RT @TyKendall: #ELTCHAT how do you define research first of all? does reading the latest edition of ET professional constitute research? |
| TyKendall | 2:03 PM | #ELTCHAT how do you define research first of all? does reading the latest edition of ET professional constitute research? |
| esolcourses | 2:03 PM | I also think the formal research model is outdated in a lot of ways, & could do with overhauling to get in step with current times #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:03 PM | RT @hartle: I think qualitative research is more useful to me often, as statistics can often be skewed in quantative surveys etc. #ELTChat |
| ozsolmaz | 2:03 PM | RT @timjulian60: If research gives insight into how stds learn which we can feed into our classroom practice I can think of nothing more valuable #eltchat |
| cherrymp | 2:03 PM | #eltchat RT @timjulian60: If research gives insight into how stds learn which we can feed into our classrooέΑο (cont) http://deck.ly/~z8C5V |
| hartle | 2:03 PM | I think qualitative research is more useful to me often, as statistics can often be skewed in quantative surveys etc. #ELTChat |
| ozsolmaz | 2:03 PM | @DaveDodgson #ELTchat the use of the Internet by high school EFL teachers for the purpose of personal and professional development |
| rliberni | 2:03 PM | RT @timjulian60: If research gives insight into how stds learn which we can feed into our classroom practice I can think of nothing more valuable #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:03 PM | if you are new to #ELTchat pls ask @barbsaka @Shaunwilden @riberni or myself for help - any other mods here? |
| juandoming | 2:03 PM | Go Pileus - Drag and Drop File Sharing http://t.co/l7pzPHx v├φa @AddThis @rmbyrne elearning #web20 #socialmedia #eltchat #education #school |
| cherrymp | 2:03 PM | #eltchat RT @LukeMeddings: A new voice, and someone I had the pleasure to meet in Devon: please welcome @SoareέΑο (cont) http://deck.ly/~0aM1k |
| CeciELT | 2:04 PM | About to start a class... will catch up with #eltchat with summary and transcript. This seems to be my fate this semester. :-( |
| ozsolmaz | 2:04 PM | @DaveDodgson definitely. and there is a gap in the field when it comes to self-development by means of internet technologies #ELTchat |
| rliberni | 2:04 PM | On a day to day level we should be resrching all the time what wks what doesn't, how to impve things & keep up with the big stuff 2 #eltchat |
| garymotteram | 2:04 PM | #eltchat If we see research as a way of reflecting on teaching and the learning, then we start seeing why is is important. |
| cioccas | 2:04 PM | RT @hartle: I think qualitative research is more useful to me ... as statistics can often be skewed in quantative surveys etc. #ELTChat |
| esolcourses | 2:04 PM | RT @Marisa_C: RT @hartle: I think qualitative research is more useful to me often, as statistics can often be skewed in quantative surveys etc. #ELTChat |
| cherrymp | 2:04 PM | RT @barbsaka: Even if teachers don't have means to conduct research, we all benefit from it #eltchat > true esp wen u've access to it |
| Marisa_C | 2:04 PM | Might be useful to clarify difference between "qualitative" and "quantitative" research - all OK with terms? #ELTchat |
| hartle | 2:04 PM | RT @esolcourses: I also think the formal research model is outdated in a lot of ways, & could do with overhauling ... #eltchat I agree |
| Shaunwilden | 2:04 PM | @esolcourses So what do you suggest? #eltchat |
| cherrymp | 2:04 PM | @hartle true statistics can b lot confusing for many #eltchat |
| barbsaka | 2:04 PM | Even if teachers don't have means to conduct research, we all benefit from it #eltchat |
| DaveDodgson | 2:04 PM | @ozsolmaz Sounds interesting - I think self-development is becoming increasingly important #ELTchat |
| alfredovela | 2:04 PM | RT @juandoming: Go Pileus - Drag and Drop File Sharing http://t.co/l7pzPHx v├φa @AddThis @rmbyrne elearning #web20 #socialmedia #eltchat #education #school |
| barbsaka | 2:05 PM | @cherrymp access to research is a pet peeve of mine--often limited if teachers aren't at university #eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:05 PM | RT @esolcourses: I also think the formal research model is outdated in a lot of ways, & could do with overhauling to get in step with current times #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:05 PM | @rliberni Agree that teachers can be their own researchers (on a small scale ) every single time they teach #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:05 PM | Don't good teachers always do reasearch to the extent they gather info, reflect and act upon it? #eltchat |
| ozsolmaz | 2:05 PM | RT @garymotteram #eltchat If we see research as a way of reflecting on teaching and the learning, then we start seeing why is is important. |
| cioccas | 2:05 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat If we see research as a way of reflecting on teaching and the learning, then we start seeing why is is important. |
| cherrymp | 2:05 PM | @CeciELT thanks to that mode too - wt's missed is the live action dnt worry #eltchat |
| hartle | 2:05 PM | I was thinking of thinks like "talk aloud protocols" or journals and portfolios, or even class studies #eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:05 PM | RT @Marisa_C: Might be useful to clarify difference between "qualitative" and "quantitative" research - all OK with terms? #ELTchat |
| DaveDodgson | 2:05 PM | What is the purpose of our research? Important question as the idea of proving/finding best methods is out-dated #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:05 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat If we see research as a way of reflecting on teaching and the learning, then we start seeing why is is important. |
| rliberni | 2:05 PM | RT @ozsolmaz: @DaveDodgson definitely. and there is a gap in the field when it comes to self-development by means of internet technologies #ELTchat |
| barbsaka | 2:05 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat If we see research as a way of reflecting on teaching and the learning, then we start seeing why is is important. |
| esolcourses | 2:05 PM | @Shaunwilden I think it needs to be less formal, more open, broadened out - people shouldn't have to pay to access knowledge #eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:06 PM | RT @Marisa_C: @OUPELTGlobal But how can teacher research feed into more organised research - isn't this important too? #eltchat |
| sandymillin | 2:06 PM | For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat on whether Ts should be involved in action research |
| Marisa_C | 2:06 PM | @OUPELTGlobal But how can teacher research feed into more organised research - isn't this important too? #eltchat |
| BobK99 | 2:06 PM | RT @hartle: RT @esolcourses: ... formal resrch model is outdated in a lot of ways, & c do with overhauling ... #eltchat I agree! Hence.../ |
| barbsaka | 2:06 PM | @CeciELT Perhaps when the time changes again it will be easier for you #eltchat |
| garymotteram | 2:06 PM | #eltchat There is no 'best method', but there are still good and bad methods. |
| rliberni | 2:06 PM | RT @OUPELTGlobal: Don't good teachers always do reasearch to the extent they gather info, reflect and act upon it? #eltchat they should! |
| Marisa_C | 2:06 PM | RT @OUPELTGlobal: Don't good teachers always do reasearch to the extent they gather info, reflect and act upon it? #eltchat > Indeed |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:07 PM | RT @TyKendall: #ELTCHAT does not doing research make you a bad teacher, or just a busy one? #eltchat |
| cioccas | 2:07 PM | RT @Shaunwilden: Are we using research as a very broad term here? #eltchat < Seems like it, not a bad thing as we need all types |
| Marisa_C | 2:07 PM | We very often tend to challenge the gurus of our profession with the Q "Is there any research to back up your claims? " #ELTchat |
| barbsaka | 2:07 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat There is no 'best method', but there are still good and bad methods. |
| DaveDodgson | 2:07 PM | @barbsaka @cherrymp Yes, I doubt I would have access to any research (or even think of accessing it) if I wasn't doing an MA #ELTchat |
| barbsaka | 2:07 PM | @cherrymp I love the open access journals, but miss a good uni library :) #eltchat |
| barbsaka | 2:07 PM | RT @OUPELTGlobal: Don't good teachers always do reasearch to the extent they gather info, reflect and act upon it? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden | 2:07 PM | Are we using research as a very broad term here? #eltchat |
| TyKendall | 2:07 PM | #ELTCHAT does not doing research make you a bad teacher, or just a busy one? |
| cherrymp | 2:07 PM | @barbsaka true - there open access journals come handy #eltchat |
| cioccas | 2:08 PM | RT @esolcourses: ... you don't need to engage in formal research to reflect on teaching and learning these days, though #eltchat <Agree |
| cherrymp | 2:08 PM | RT @barbsaka: @cherrymp I love the open access journals, but miss a good uni library :) #eltchat > we shud makέΑο (cont) http://deck.ly/~aDC8P |
| Shaunwilden | 2:08 PM | @cioccas Agreed am just getting my head round what people maen by research #eltchat |
| hartle | 2:08 PM | RT @Marisa_C: @OUPELTGlobal But how can teacher research feed into more organised research ...#eltchat it doesέΑο (cont) http://deck.ly/~6RkmX |
| DaveDodgson | 2:08 PM | @Shaunwilden Yes, probably because it is quite broad! Many ways to collect & interpret data #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike | 2:08 PM | @OUPELTGlobal @TyKendall Busy!! #eltchat |
| barbsaka | 2:08 PM | sounds like it :)RT @Shaunwilden: Are we using research as a very broad term here? #eltchat |
| esolcourses | 2:08 PM | @ozsolmaz @garymotteram you don't need to engage in formal research to reflect on teaching and learning these days, though #eltchat |
| esolcourses | 2:09 PM | RT @OUPELTGlobal: @hartle Is organised research important? aren't teachers too busy? Are the formalities worth the time? #eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:09 PM | RT @hartle: RT @harrisonmike: Is blogging a form of (self) research? #eltchat absolutely and leads to reflection and exchange too |
| rliberni | 2:09 PM | It is v important 2 keep up with latest ideas & findings they may inform our teaching or not - if we r learners we shld b lerning! #eltchat |
| hartle | 2:09 PM | RT @harrisonmike: Is blogging a form of (self) research? #eltchat absolutely and leads to reflection and exchange too |
| esolcourses | 2:09 PM | RT @OUPELTGlobal RT @TyKendall #ELTCHAT does not doing research make you a bad teacher, or just a busy one? #eltchat depends how U define it |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:09 PM | @hartle Is organised research important? aren't teachers too busy? Are the formalities worth the time? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:09 PM | Hashtag! #eltchat |
| hartle | 2:09 PM | RT @Marisa_C: RT @garymotteram: @TyKendall Not doing research doesn't make you a bad teacher, but doing research makes you a a better one. #eltCHAT |
| harrisonmike | 2:09 PM | Is blogging a form of (self) research? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:09 PM | RT @garymotteram: @TyKendall Not doing research doesn't make you a bad teacher, but doing research makes you a a better one. #eltCHAT |
| Marisa_C | 2:10 PM | @dreadnought001 I do - but most Ts don't have access to important journalt #eltchat |
| cioccas | 2:10 PM | @cherrymp And with so many journals online, you can't just walk into a library and browse anymore #ELTchat |
| rliberni | 2:10 PM | RT @dreadnought001: How many teachers have access to written journals (TESOL Q'ly, ELT Journal etc) in their school? I'm lucky I'm at uni and do.. #eltchat |
| barbsaka | 2:10 PM | Well, we have most of an hour left, so perhaps we ought to break this topic down? #eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:10 PM | I meant if we are teachers we shld be learning the two go hand in hand! #eltchat |
| DaveDodgson | 2:10 PM | @harrisonmike I guess it depends on what you are doing with it! Using it for reflection? Yes. Sharing links? Maybe not ;) #ELTchat |
| AchilleasK | 2:10 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat If we see research as a way of reflecting on teaching and the learning, then we start seeing why is is important. |
| Shaunwilden | 2:10 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat You can research in all sorts of ways, there are many different methods and methodologies. |
| dreadnought001 | 2:10 PM | How many teachers have access to written journals (TESOL Q'ly, ELT Journal etc) in their school? I'm lucky I'm at uni and do.. #eltchat |
| garymotteram | 2:10 PM | #eltchat You can research in all sorts of ways, there are many different methods and methodologies. |
| Marisa_C | 2:10 PM | RT @harrisonmike: Is blogging a form of (self) research? #eltchat > Not if there isn't a question posed and some data or evidence to analyse |
| rliberni | 2:10 PM | RT @OUPELTGlobal: @hartle Is organised research important? aren't teachers too busy? Are the formalities worth the time? #eltchat |
| cherrymp | 2:10 PM | #eltchat RT @DaveDodgson: @barbsaka @cherrymp Yes, I doubt I would have access to any research (or even thinέΑο (cont) http://deck.ly/~D1vaO |
| garymotteram | 2:11 PM | #eltchat Access to journals and studies is a big issue @dreadnought001, but there is a lot on the web. |
| Marisa_C | 2:11 PM | @cherrymp Sure - if you use it to poll or find information and responses #eltchat #eltchat |
| cherrymp | 2:11 PM | @cioccas mmm true :) #eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:11 PM | @dreadnought001 much is now also online and around us here it's not too difficult to find it #eltchat |
| harrisonmike | 2:11 PM | @Marisa_C more anecdotal research though, isn't it? Even with data/questions/numbers #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden | 2:11 PM | We used to encurage tchers to do action research projects with classes &report back - it's not too time consuming in this respect #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:11 PM | RT @barbsaka: Well, we have most of an hour left, so perhaps we ought to break this topic down? #eltchat |
| cherrymp | 2:11 PM | #eltchat RT @Marisa_C: RT @harrisonmike: Is blogging a form of (self) research? #eltchat > Not if there isn'έΑο (cont) http://deck.ly/~psTHb |
| cherrymp | 2:11 PM | reflecting on d distinction b'w #EFL & #ESL - ideas frm PLN as always r welcome #eltchat #elt |
| sandymillin | 2:12 PM | RT @TyKendall: #ELTCHAT how do you define research first of all? does reading the latest edition of ET professional constitute research? |
| garymotteram | 2:12 PM | My tweets for the next hour are part of #eltchat. FB users be warned. |
| DaveDodgson | 2:12 PM | @Shaunwilden A shame that I've never been encouraged to do this in my career. Great potential if everyone in department is doing it #ELTchat |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:12 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Access to journals and studies is a big issue @dreadnought001, but there is a lot on the web. |
| cioccas | 2:12 PM | @Shaunwilden Used to happen where I am too, but now Ts are just too busy #ELTchat |
| barbsaka | 2:12 PM | Yes! RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Access to journals and studies is a big issue @dreadnought001, but there is a lot on the web. |
| Marisa_C | 2:12 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Access to journals and studies is a big issue @dreadnought001, but there is a lot on the web. |
| ozsolmaz | 2:12 PM | @dreadnought001 teachers at state schools do not have any access to journals here in Turkey. Ts at universities, yes #ELTchat |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:13 PM | @DaveDodgson I think an important point is being able to share and talk to someone. Difficult to do research on your own. no? #eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:13 PM | I think access to research has never been easier - there are no excuses really it's all here! #eltchat |
| sandymillin | 2:13 PM | RT @rliberni: On a day to day level we should be resrching all the time what wks what doesn't, how to impve things & keep up with the big stuff 2 #eltchat |
| cherrymp | 2:13 PM | researching needs lot of motivation - getting stuck is common #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:13 PM | RT @garymotteram: My tweets for the next hour are part of #eltchat. FB users be warned. > :-D |
| rliberni | 2:13 PM | RT @cioccas: Voted in #eltchat poll for tomorrow's chat - http://bit.ly/l75H6H - Hope my choice stays in 2nd place so it is discussed 1st! |
| rliberni | 2:13 PM | RT @bamarcia: RT @russell1955 10 ways to use JING for digital storytelling& feedback http://bit.ly/dngjFY #TESOL #ELT #tefl #efl #eltchat #storytelling |
| lauraahaha | 2:13 PM | New blog post: Why I hate reading aloud http://bit.ly/lcbCuk #efl #elt #tefl #eltchat #edchat |
| esolcourses | 2:14 PM | @OUPELTGlobal @hartle there aren't enough hours in the day to have a decent stab at conducting formal research & do my job properly #ELTChat |
| hartle | 2:14 PM | #ELTchat Some Ts very set in thr ways, and teach mechanically, encouragement to keep a teaching journal and INSET training wdmotivate them |
| cherrymp | 2:14 PM | RT @DaveDodgson: All of these journals are openly accessible online: http://bit.ly/9f7P5s #ELTchat gr8 :) |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:14 PM | RT @rliberni: I think access to research has never been easier - there are no excuses really it's all here! #eltchat I agree |
| rliberni | 2:14 PM | RT @TyKendall: #ELTCHAT there's an online TEFL journal http://iteslj.org/ i think most content there is free, but access to research = important topic |
| Shaunwilden | 2:14 PM | @DaveDodgson Well i cant say everyone was doing it but it was a gd form of cpd for those bored of workshops #eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:14 PM | RT @DaveDodgson: All of these journals are openly accessible online: http://bit.ly/9f7P5s #ELTchat |
| ozsolmaz | 2:14 PM | @Shaunwilden I'm teaching 'Scientific Research Methods' class at ELT dept here and preservice Ts like this class and academics #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:14 PM | @harrisonmike small scale perhaps - but this is also valuable to you and whoever reads it #eltchat |
| TyKendall | 2:14 PM | #ELTCHAT there's an online TEFL journal http://iteslj.org/ i think most content there is free, but access to research = important topic |
| esolcourses | 2:14 PM | @OUPELTGlobal @hartle I engage in informal research all the time, bt engaging formal research doesn't interest me, tbh. #eltChat |
| DaveDodgson | 2:14 PM | All of these journals are openly accessible online: http://bit.ly/9f7P5s #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike | 2:14 PM | Where can research be found on the web guys? #eltchat @garymotteram @dreadnought001 |
| cherrymp | 2:15 PM | @Marisa_C online tools r of course v handy - esp in getting data frm far and wide #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:15 PM | @harrisonmike But you can use your blog to REPORT research you have conducted - teachers often don't have access to big journals #eltchat |
| hartle | 2:15 PM | RT @esolcourses: @OUPELTGlobal @hartle yes I understand, but everyone cn do informal reflection #ELTChat |
| ozsolmaz | 2:15 PM | RT @rliberni: I think access to research has never been easier - there are no excuses really it's all here! #eltchat |
| cherrymp | 2:15 PM | RT @hartle: #ELTchat Some Ts very set in thr ways, and teach mechanically, encouragement to keep a teaching joέΑο (cont) http://deck.ly/~kMqsi |
| ozsolmaz | 2:15 PM | we have a small blog for our department where some important (and free access) links are shared there. Great for Sts #ELTchat |
| cioccas | 2:15 PM | RT @esolcourses: ...there aren't enough hours in the day to have a decent stab at conducting formal research & do my job properly #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C | 2:15 PM | If you are looking for ways of sending reearch questionnaires what tools would you share? E.g. Google Docs can do polls for you #ELTchat |
| DaveDodgson | 2:15 PM | @OUPELTGlobal That's why having several colleagues doing it is best. Failing that, blogging is a great way to share results! #ELTchat |
| SueannaN | 2:15 PM | RT @esolcourses: @OUPELTGlobal @hartle there aren't enough hours in the day to have a decent stab at conducting formal research & do my job properly #ELTChat |
| chucksandy | 2:15 PM | Sad to miss this #eltchat |
| cioccas | 2:15 PM | @rliberni But lots of reasearch is in 'ranked' journals 'cause academics have to do this & they can be difficult to access #eltchat |
| cioccas | 2:16 PM | Could everyone please turn off Tweetdeck 'long updates' please? #ELTchat - makes it hard to read whole tweet |
| Shaunwilden | 2:16 PM | @TyKendall Yes i use that a lot, survery monkey is quite easy to use #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:16 PM | @chucksandy we'll miss you :-( have a good meeting #eltchat |
| barbsaka | 2:16 PM | @chucksandy Rock your meeting :) #eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:16 PM | @cioccas true but there r often things that trickle down or r discussed in forums -Youtube TED etc.. I think these are easier 2 #eltchat |
| cherrymp | 2:16 PM | vl informal reflection cme under d type of res v r discussing? #eltchat |
| TyKendall | 2:16 PM | #ELTCHAT @barbsaka i was thinking that too Barbara! |
| chucksandy | 2:16 PM | Sad to miss this #eltchat but stuck in a meeting. Rock on all! Looking forward to the transcript ^^ |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:16 PM | RT @DaveDodgson: @OUPELTGlobal That's why having several colleagues doing it is best. blogging is a great way to share results! #eltchat |
| barbsaka | 2:16 PM | @JoHart we never did define :) #eltchat |
| BobK99 | 2:16 PM | RT @Marisa_C: If you are looking for ways of sending reearch questionnaires what tools would you share? ... #ELTchat !SurveyMonkey? |
| sandymillin | 2:16 PM | @OUPELTGlobal How possible is it to do organised research when you're not in a uni environment? Where do you start? #eltchat |
| esolcourses | 2:16 PM | Question for thosewho do engage in formal research... do you do it mainly because you want to, or because U have to/it's expected? #ELTChat |
| harrisonmike | 2:16 PM | RT @Marisa_C: @harrisonmike But you can use your blog to REPORT research you have conducted - teachers often don't have access to big journals #eltchat |
| JoHart | 2:16 PM | #eltchat - I've not seen prev Tweets - but what do we mean by research? subjective/objective, qualitative/quamtitative, anecdotal/factual? |
| TyKendall | 2:16 PM | #ELTCHAT @Marisa_C also seen this one used a lot too http://svy.mk/rv8xk |
| Shaunwilden | 2:16 PM | RT @Marisa_C: @harrisonmike But you can use your blog to REPORT research you have conducted - teachers often don't have access to big journals #eltchat |
| tucksoon | 2:16 PM | #VALUE! |
| SueannaN | 2:17 PM | RT @esolcourses: RT @JoHart: #eltchat we all do action research every time we teach - at least we do if we learn from whata happens ] good point - agree! |
| cherrymp | 2:17 PM | @JoHart yup #eltchat |
| esolcourses | 2:17 PM | RT @JoHart: #eltchat we all do action research every time we teach - at least we do if we learn from whata happens ] good point - agree! |
| Shaunwilden | 2:17 PM | RT @JoHart: #eltchat we all do action research every time we teach - at least we do if we learnb from what happens - good point :-) |
| sandymillin | 2:17 PM | @dreadnought001 no access to written journals here - only what's online #eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:17 PM | RT @Marisa_C: RT @TyKendall: #ELTCHAT @Marisa_C also seen this one used a lot too http://svy.mk/rv8xk - Yes Survey Monkey a great tool |
| DaveDodgson | 2:17 PM | @sandymillin @OUPELTGlobal I think the 'academic' side would put a lot of people off #ELTchat |
| cherrymp | 2:17 PM | @sandymillin we need to get res out of universities - sooner d better #eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:17 PM | RT @JoHart: #eltchat we all do action research every time we teach - at least we do if we learnb from whata happens |
| Marisa_C | 2:17 PM | RT @TyKendall: #ELTCHAT @Marisa_C also seen this one used a lot too http://svy.mk/rv8xk - Yes Survey Monkey a great tool |
| JoHart | 2:17 PM | #eltchat we all do action research every time we teach - at least we do if we learnb from whata happens |
| rliberni | 2:17 PM | RT @esolcourses: RT @ozsolmaz: believe that what makes research useul is the way it contributes to your teaching and learning #ELTchat |
| esolcourses | 2:17 PM | RT @cioccas: Could everyone please turn off Tweetdeck 'long updates' please? #ELTchat - makes it hard to read whole tweet |
| esolcourses | 2:17 PM | RT @ozsolmaz: believe that what makes research useul is the way it contributes to your teaching and learning #ELTchat |
| cherrymp | 2:18 PM | @CoffeeAddictMe imp of research in elt #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:18 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat You can get connected to journals by writing for them, they often then give you free access for a while. |
| barbsaka | 2:18 PM | Gr8 tip! RT @garymotteram: #eltchat You can get connected to journals by writing for them, they often then give you free access for a while. |
| cherrymp | 2:18 PM | RT @TyKendall: #ELTCHAT do you think research can be intensive and extensive? just like skills?? wanting to do it vs having to>good pt |
| CELT_Athens | 2:18 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat You can get connected to journals by writing for them, they often then give you free access for a while. |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:18 PM | RT @rliberni: RT @esolcourses: RT @ozsolmaz: believe that what makes research useul is the way it contributesto tching & learning #eltchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 2:18 PM | #eltchat is about what? |
| cioccas | 2:18 PM | @rliberni Agree, but sometimes second-hand reporting is too selective so I like to go to the source #ELTchat |
| garymotteram | 2:18 PM | #eltchat You can get connected to journals by writing for them, they often then give you free access for a while. |
| Marisa_C | 2:18 PM | RT @Imadruid: @sandymillin @TyKendall #Eltchat no. Research needs to be systematic, generate a new claim to knowledge & be shared. |
| TyKendall | 2:18 PM | #ELTCHAT do you think research can be intensive and extensive? just like skills?? wanting to do it vs having to |
| hartle | 2:18 PM | True we learn when we teach but if we don't refelct and develop ideas how much do we learn? #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C | 2:18 PM | @NikPeachey also uses another great one - Urtac I think #elTchat |
| barbsaka | 2:18 PM | So maybe we can start by identifying a few broad research types? Quantitative, qualitative, informal, ....? #eltchat |
| Imadruid | 2:18 PM | @sandymillin @TyKendall #Eltchat no. Research needs to be systematic, generate a new claim to knowledge & be shared. |
| ozsolmaz | 2:19 PM | @esolcourses Great Q. Luckily both of them for me. + Sharing interesting research results to preservice teachers are very good! #ELTchat |
| cioccas | 2:19 PM | RT @rliberni: I've learned a lot just here about thinking on grammar, dogme, methodology etc.. #eltchat <Yes, me too! |
| hartle | 2:19 PM | RT @rliberni: I've learned a lot just here about thinking on grammar, dogme, methodology etc.. #eltchat me too |
| rliberni | 2:19 PM | I've learned a lot just here about thinking on grammar, dogme, methodology etc.. #eltchat |
| sandymillin | 2:19 PM | @Shaunwilden What's the best way to go about action research in your classes w/o uni as a push? #eltchat |
| garymotteram | 2:19 PM | #eltchat You can also be an article reviewer, although you need to establish some kind of track record. |
| BobK99 | 2:19 PM | RT @barbsaka: @JoHart we never did define :) #eltchat! Keep trying! We DO need to know what we're talking about! What's the 'formal' for? :) |
| Shaunwilden | 2:19 PM | @CoffeeAddictMe reaserch and ELT #eltchat |
| alhen_ | 2:19 PM | RT @JoHart: #eltchat we all do action research every time we teach - at least we do if we learnb from whata happens |
| hartle | 2:19 PM | RT @CoffeeAddictMe: #eltchat research in ELT Do we need it? |
| pea | 2:19 PM | #VALUE! |
| Shaunwilden | 2:19 PM | Currently 11 suggestions for #eltchat poll, which is gr8 but 2 many for the poll, does anyone mind theirs being moved to next week? |
| SueannaN | 2:20 PM | RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Marisa_C: Could we perhaps distinguish between class research and class trialling? #ELTchat - Please define the diference then :-) |
| JoHart | 2:20 PM | @sandymillin for action research try something new but document & record especially student response/outcomes #eltchat |
| barbsaka | 2:20 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Research needs to be built into the fabric of what you do, so it becomes part of our everyday activity. |
| Shaunwilden | 2:20 PM | RT @Marisa_C: Could we perhaps distinguish between class research and class trialling? #ELTchat - Please define the diference then :-) |
| cherrymp | 2:20 PM | @sandymillin u mean funding? or personal? #eltchat |
| garymotteram | 2:20 PM | #eltchat Research needs to be built into the fabric of what you do, so it becomes part of our everyday activity. |
| hartle | 2:20 PM | Informal means not as part of a course or job etc. Formal is part of smthg "official" in a nutshell #ELTChat |
| cherrymp | 2:20 PM | wen u res u r putting ur practice/ath dat u res under scanner - questioning it #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:20 PM | Could we perhaps distinguish between class research and class trialling? #ELTchat |
| rliberni | 2:20 PM | @BobK99 I think informal research is a given we're really taking about academic research I think? #eltchat |
| sandymillin | 2:20 PM | RT @cherrymp: researching needs lot of motivation - getting stuck is common #eltchat >needs support too |
| Marisa_C | 2:21 PM | @Shaunwilden Isn't class trialling just trying out lessons, activities, tools and then reflecting? #ELTchat |
| hartle | 2:21 PM | RT @JoHart: @sandymillin for action research try something new but document & record especially student response/outcomes #eltchat gd :-) |
| cioccas | 2:21 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Other disciplines don't question the need for research in the way that we do in teaching < That's SO true! |
| rliberni | 2:21 PM | @BobK99 Ok maybe I'm wrong - I thought it was academic research #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:21 PM | @garymotteram Would that be formal or informal? #eltchat |
| ozsolmaz | 2:21 PM | don't you also think researching together with a colleague is more interesting and useful? collabortion rocks #ELTchat |
| barbsaka | 2:21 PM | @garymotteram Suggestions how to build research into our daily fabric? #eltchat |
| sandymillin | 2:21 PM | @cherrymp personal support/motivation #eltchat |
| garymotteram | 2:21 PM | #eltchat Other disciplines don't question the need for research in the way that we do in teaching . |
| cherrymp | 2:21 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Research needs to be built into the fabric of what you do, so it becomes part of our everyday activity.> :) |
| Marisa_C | 2:21 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Research needs to be built into the fabric of what you do, so it becomes part of our everyday activity. |
| cherrymp | 2:22 PM | @Marisa_C nope don't they form a cycle? nth is final - u r reflecting on how to make it better & effective #eltchat |
| esolcourses | 2:22 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat is the need for research being questioned here, or simply the way that teachers go about it (formal vs informal)? |
| hartle | 2:22 PM | Formal research in MAs or PHDs can be time consuming and expensive fr most Ts #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C | 2:22 PM | @Shaunwilden But class research poses a questions and uses observation over time to reflect on the findings? #ELTchat |
| JoHart | 2:22 PM | @barbsaka @garymotteram #eltchat reflect, review, record to build in research |
| rliberni | 2:22 PM | @cioccas yes, things like #eltchat etc,, whet the appetite then you have to go to the links and follow through #eltchat |
| garymotteram | 2:22 PM | #eltchat Formal vs informal -- I'm not sure that's a useful distinction, we probably mean funded vs non-funded. |
| cherrymp | 2:22 PM | @sandymillin mmm - i won't say it's around; bt not hard to find. nth helps like being self motivated #eltchat |
| uniqsuseq | 2:22 PM | RT @ShellTerrell: Online collection of stories & poems in Mp3 format http://is.gd/lmuGjZ #engchat #eltchat #edtech via @ozge @bucharesttutor |
| sandymillin | 2:23 PM | RT @cioccas: Could everyone please turn off Tweetdeck 'long updates' please? #ELTchat - makes it hard to read whole tweet >& write summary! |
| TheHomeworkDog | 2:23 PM | RT @DaveDodgson: All of these journals are openly accessible online: http://bit.ly/9f7P5s #ELTchat |
| Imadruid | 2:23 PM | @alhen_ @JoHart #Eltchat what you are talking about is not action research, but reflective teaching. |
| rliberni | 2:23 PM | @BobK99 have to admit to getting lost a bit here :-D #eltchat |
| barbsaka | 2:23 PM | Just good teaching :) RT @OUPELTGlobal: surveying your students for their learning preferences and expectations then acting on it #eltchat |
| Rogers_Suzanne | 2:23 PM | @barbsaka @garymotteram #eltchat Research needs to be modeled and practiced. |
| BobK99 | 2:23 PM | RT w tag: @rliberni Exactly! (I just ran out of chars.) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:23 PM | @garymotteram Is that correct or incorrect as a distintion Gary? #ELTchat |
| DaveDodgson | 2:23 PM | One problem with academic research is filtering it down to the classroom. I hear 'that would never work in my class' a lot! #ELTchat |
| JoHart | 2:23 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Formal vs informal -- I'm not sure that's a useful distinction, we probably mean funded vs non-funded.<<AGREE> |
| hartle | 2:23 PM | RT @cioccas: RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Formal vs informal ... we probably mean funded vs non-funded <Or assessed vs non-assessed? |
| cioccas | 2:23 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Formal vs informal ... we probably mean funded vs non-funded <Or assessed vs non-assessed? |
| Shaunwilden | 2:23 PM | @Marisa_C Wasnt sure thats why i asked - it seems ot be the def of research we are using encompasses this #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:23 PM | would surveying your students for their learning preferences and expectations then acting on it be research? #eltchat |
| Chris_Fry_BCN | 2:23 PM | RT @ISILBOY: Digital Portfolio: A Tool for Learning, Self-Reflection, Sharing and Collaboration http://bit.ly/lhB19G #eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:24 PM | @cioccas it's Hobsons choice! So maybe snippets better than nothing? #eltchat |
| cherrymp | 2:24 PM | @Marisa_C so wt makes it researching is d documenting & reporting part rt? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden | 2:24 PM | @sandymillin You volunteering ?#eltchat |
| esolcourses | 2:24 PM | RT @hartle: Formal research in MAs or PHDs can be time consuming & expensive fr most Ts #ELTChat ] Must be many Ts who can't afford either |
| cioccas | 2:24 PM | @rliberni Yes, and I could spend my whole waking life following links I've got from #ELTchat friends! |
| Marisa_C | 2:24 PM | RT @Imadruid: @alhen_ @JoHart #Eltchat what you are talking about is not action research, but reflective teaching. > I go with that |
| TyKendall | 2:24 PM | RT @rliberni: @BobK99 have to admit to getting lost a bit here :-D #eltchat |
| hartle | 2:24 PM | ONe prob abt academic research is many researchers not classroom teachers #ELTChat |
| rliberni | 2:25 PM | @cioccas Lol :-) #eltchat |
| DaveDodgson | 2:25 PM | @Imadruid That's what I try to tell them! #ELTchat |
| sjaafar | 2:25 PM | RT @DaveDodgson: One problem with academic research is filtering it down to the classroom. I hear 'that would never work in my class' a lot! #ELTchat |
| dreadnought001 | 2:25 PM | the ultimate irony of course is that to do substantive research (MA/Phd), you really have to leave the classroom!! #eltchat |
| hartle | 2:25 PM | RT @DaveDodgson: @hartle But when classroom teachers do research,.... #ELTchat does that matter??? |
| JoHart | 2:25 PM | @Marisa_C @Imadruid @alhen_ think action research & reflective teaching so intermingled that I can't really differentiate #eltchat |
| TyKendall | 2:25 PM | #ELTCHAT right then my brain is hurting from following such a fast paced chat...i'm bailing! Maybe see y'all tonight. |
| cioccas | 2:25 PM | @rliberni Oh, I'm not complaining, I love it :-) #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden | 2:25 PM | @Marisa_C Ok so e.g. To assess the use of background music on a class over a series of lessons - research or trial? #eltchat |
| BobK99 | 2:25 PM | @rliberni Easily done! #eltchat |
| DaveDodgson | 2:25 PM | @hartle But when classroom teachers do research, they lack the academic background to share their results.... #ELTchat |
| ddeubel | 2:25 PM | What about "teacher" bias? I find this the most problematic aspect of research #eltchat |
| garymotteram | 2:25 PM | #eltchat If we look at case studies of what other teachers do, then there is less of a problem with the issue of 'it won't work for me.' |
| Imadruid | 2:25 PM | @DaveDodgson #Eltchat hence need for action research |
| hartle | 2:25 PM | RT @cherrymp: @Marisa_C so wt makes it researching is d documenting & reporting part rt? #eltchat and reflecting |
| naomishema | 2:25 PM | Just blogged: My Post for the έΑεDisabled Access-Friendly WorldέΑζ Blog Challenge http://bit.ly/iVxwdb #eltchat #spedchat |
| TyKendall | 2:25 PM | MY LATEST BLOG POST http://bit.ly/jYzjmb on Istanbul and first impressions. #ELTCHAT #EDCHAT Check it out PLN peeps! Enjoy :-) |
| esolcourses | 2:26 PM | RT @dreadnought001 the ultimate irony of course is that 2 do substantive research (MA/Phd) you really have to leave the classroom!! #eltchat |
| cherrymp | 2:26 PM | @hartle: @Marisa_C so wt makes it researching is d documenting & reporting part rt? #eltchat and reflecting mm #eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:26 PM | RT @dreadnought001: the ultimate irony of course is that to do substantive research (MA/Phd), you really have to leave the classroom!! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:26 PM | @JoHart Agree one could be part of the other #eltchat |
| cioccas | 2:26 PM | RT @hartle: RT @DaveDodgson: @hartle But when classroom teachers do research,.... #ELTchat does that matter??? <YES! |
| esolcourses | 2:26 PM | RT @ddeubel: What about "teacher" bias? I find this the most problematic aspect of research #eltchat ] agree. All research is subjective |
| cherrymp | 2:26 PM | @DaveDodgson all res are in a way biased or filtered - prob r looked and acted up on from particular theoretical framework #eltchat |
| vickyloras | 2:26 PM | New blog by @Ilotimo http://bit.ly/jHsEeY Education Technology - Theory and Practice #edblog #edu #ELTChat #finnedchat #edtech #edtechbc |
| JoHart | 2:27 PM | @sandymillin for action research try something new but document & record especially student response/outcome #eltchat |
| hartle | 2:27 PM | Reflection is key, I think. If U cn report ideas & exchange even better...but no reflection means bad teaching #ELTchat |
| garymotteram | 2:27 PM | #eltchat Drug trials are still only cases studies, even if they involve 1000s. |
| Marisa_C | 2:27 PM | I can attest that the one course I have taught that encouraged organised class research always produced very high calibre Ts #ELTchat |
| ozsolmaz | 2:27 PM | @garymotteram agree. sometms wrong sampling may cause 'interesting' results since all population should be properly represented #ELTchat |
| rliberni | 2:27 PM | RT @cybraryman1: Not only should teachers do research they should help students learn how to research. My Research page: http://tinyurl.com/3l6dspm #eltchat |
| BobK99 | 2:27 PM | RT @hartle: ONe prob abt academic research is many researchers not classroom teachers #ELTChat ! You can say that again (with reverb :-)) |
| rliberni | 2:27 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat All research is in the end a single case, so we build on case law, as it were. |
| cybraryman1 | 2:27 PM | Not only should teachers do research they should help students learn how to research. My Research page: http://tinyurl.com/3l6dspm #eltchat |
| barbsaka | 2:27 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat All research is in the end a single case, so we build on case law, as it were. |
| rliberni | 2:27 PM | @BobK99 thought I was on one track but seem to have got on another train now!! :-D #eltchat |
| garymotteram | 2:27 PM | #eltchat All research is in the end a single case, so we build on case law, as it were. |
| SueannaN | 2:27 PM | RT @esolcourses: RT @dreadnought001 the ultimate irony of course is that 2 do substantive research (MA/Phd) you really have to leave the classroom!! #eltchat |
| TheHomeworkDog | 2:28 PM | RT @cybraryman1: Not only should teachers do research they should help students learn how to research. My Research page: http://tinyurl.com/3l6dspm #eltchat |
| JoHart | 2:28 PM | @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C BOTH & reflective teaching we need holistic approaches not compartmentalising/silos #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:28 PM | Are we saying that research is the methods we use to reflect and then act? still confused as to what res we r talking about. #eltchat |
| cioccas | 2:28 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Drug trials are still only cases studies, even if they involve 1000s. <one of issues I have with lot of research! |
| rliberni | 2:28 PM | @BobK99 oooh yes, educationalists - don't get me started!!!! #eltchat |
| esolcourses | 2:28 PM | RT @hartle: Reflection is key, I think. If U cn report ideas & exchange even better...but no reflection means bad teaching #ELTchat |
| vickyloras | 2:28 PM | RT @naomishema Just blogged: My Post for the έΑεDisabled Access-Friendly WorldέΑζ Blog Challenge http://bit.ly/iVxwdb #eltchat #spedchat |
| cherrymp | 2:29 PM | @cioccas: @garymotteram: #eltchat dat's y v always have a 'limitations' section i guess #eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:29 PM | RT @OUPELTGlobal: Are we saying that research is the methods we use to reflect and then act? still confused as to what res we r talking about. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:29 PM | I would also like to ask when research can be considered to have some reliable and valid results #ELTchat Is that possible in teaching? |
| gottsled | 2:29 PM | RT @cybraryman1: Not only should teachers do research they should help students learn how to research. My Research page: http://tinyurl.com/3l6dspm #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden | 2:29 PM | @OUPELTGlobal Me too I think :-) #eltchat |
| hartle | 2:29 PM | I prefer the use of journals & portfolios to questionnaires, the answers on questionnaires depend on so many variables #ELTchat |
| rliberni | 2:30 PM | RT @esolcourses: RT @hartle: It's difficult to have valid results that can apply to all learners but it's important to have valid questions #ELTchat |
| sandymillin | 2:30 PM | #eltchat So how do you progress from just reflective teaching to action research? (without doing an expensive course) |
| rliberni | 2:30 PM | RT @Imadruid: @cherrymp @hartle @Marisa_C both. Research adds to a collective knowledge base #Eltchat Absolutely! |
| esolcourses | 2:30 PM | RT @hartle: It's difficult to have valid results that can apply to all learners but it's important to have valid questions #ELTchat |
| cherrymp | 2:30 PM | @Marisa_C depending on number of variables things kn change #eltchat |
| barbsaka | 2:30 PM | RT @Imadruid: @cherrymp @hartle @Marisa_C both. Research adds to a collective knowledge base #Eltchat |
| hartle | 2:30 PM | It's difficult to have valid results that can apply to all learners but it's important to have valid questions #ELTchat |
| Imadruid | 2:30 PM | @cherrymp @hartle @Marisa_C both. Research adds to a collective knowledge base #Eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:30 PM | RT @DaveDodgson: @hartle Plus questionnaires are more likely to 'direct' the respondents to particular answers #ELTchat |
| ozsolmaz | 2:30 PM | true! RT @dreadnought001 the ultimate irony of course is that to do substantive research (MA/Phd), you have to leave the classroom! #eltchat |
| SueannaN | 2:30 PM | RT @Marisa_C: I would also like to ask when research can be considered to have some reliable and valid results #ELTchat Is that possible in teaching? |
| rliberni | 2:30 PM | RT @Marisa_C: I would also like to ask when research can be considered to have some reliable and valid results #ELTchat Is that possible in teaching? |
| DaveDodgson | 2:30 PM | @hartle Plus questionnaires are more likely to 'direct' the respondents to particular answers #ELTchat |
| ozsolmaz | 2:31 PM | @Marisa_C proper sampling of population + suitable res. method + correct analysis of the data will incrs reliability and validity #ELTchat |
| barbsaka | 2:31 PM | RT @garymotteram: @JoHart Research is about trying to gain a better understanding of something, how we do that is not so relevant. #eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:31 PM | RT @JoHart: @Marisa_C Hmm a hard one - the scientist in me says sufficient sample & rpeatability but not always so with qualitative research #eltchat |
| cioccas | 2:31 PM | Scuse me, we're half way through, can we move on to some of other questions in the topic please :-) #ELTchat |
| DaveDodgson | 2:31 PM | RT @sandymillin: #eltchat So how do you progress from just reflective teaching to action research? (without doing an expensive course) |
| rliberni | 2:31 PM | RT @sandymillin: #eltchat So how do you progress from just reflective teaching to action research? (without doing an expensive course) |
| hartle | 2:31 PM | RT @sandymillin: #eltchat So how do you progress from just reflective teaching to action research? (without doing an expensive ..Gd question |
| JoHart | 2:31 PM | @Marisa_C Hmm a hard one - the scientist in me says sufficient sample & rpeatability but not always so with qualitative research #eltchat |
| garymotteram | 2:31 PM | RT @garymotteram: @JoHart Research is about trying to gain a better understanding of something, how we do that is not so relevant. #eltchat |
| sandymillin | 2:31 PM | RT @Marisa_C: I would also like to ask when research can be considered to have some reliable and valid results #ELTchat Is that possible in teaching? |
| Marisa_C | 2:31 PM | RT @Imadruid: @cherrymp @hartle @Marisa_C both. Research adds to a collective knowledge base #Eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:31 PM | EFL/ESL Mentoring programme begins next week! 30/5 Time to sign up! http://bit.ly/mukGOF #eltchat #esol #efl #esl #edchat |
| rliberni | 2:32 PM | RT @DaveDodgson: @sandymillin Identify an issue & possible solution, test it, collect data & draw your conclusions #ELTchat |
| DaveDodgson | 2:32 PM | @sandymillin Identify an issue & possible solution, test it, collect data & draw your conclusions #ELTchat |
| esolcourses | 2:32 PM | RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @sandymillin: #eltchat So how do you progress from just reflective teaching to action research? (without xpnsv course)#eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:32 PM | RT @esolcourses: Another problem I think with formal research (particularly when it involves tech) is that things change so rapidly these days #eltchat |
| hartle | 2:32 PM | RT @JoHart: @Marisa_C Hmm but not always so with qualitative research and with quantative?? Is it so reliable? #eltchat |
| esolcourses | 2:32 PM | Another problem I think with formal research (particularly when it involves tech) is that things change so rapidly these days #eltchat |
| cherrymp | 2:32 PM | @sandymillin need to careful document & revise d tools & methodology if needed as u progress #eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:32 PM | RT @barbsaka: RT @garymotteram: @JoHart Research is about trying to gain a better understanding of something, how we do that is not so relevant. #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:32 PM | RT @sandymillin: #eltchat So how do you progress from just reflective teaching to action research? (without xpnsv course)#eltchat |
| DaveDodgson | 2:33 PM | @rliberni @esolcourses But as we're always told "it's not the tool..." older research on tech can still be relevant #ELTchat |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:33 PM | @rliberni seems very time-consuming #eltchat |
| cherrymp | 2:33 PM | RT @ddeubel: IMHO - I really think we need more qualitative research in ELT. There is a misconception that it isn't "strong". #eltchat>true |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 2:33 PM | @hartle what kind of research? #eltchat |
| cioccas | 2:33 PM | @garymotteram If teachers want to do research (academic or action research) where should they start and ...#ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden | 2:33 PM | The other ?s were : Role of note-taking, researching tools in ELT #eltchat |
| ddeubel | 2:33 PM | IMHO - I really think we need more qualitative research in ELT. There is a misconception that it isn't "strong". #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:33 PM | RT @Imadruid: action research is systematic, validated & published. Reflective practice isn't. #ELTchat Validateb by quantitative research? |
| cherrymp | 2:33 PM | @hartle: @JoHart: @Marisa_C knt v limit dis qn of reliability to d res in focus rather dan gen - no res makes tall claims i think #eltchat |
| barbsaka | 2:33 PM | RT @cioccas: Scuse me, we're half way through, can we move on to some of other questions in the topic please :-) #ELTchat |
| JoHart | 2:33 PM | @Imadruid @Marisa_C @alhen_ Not so - reflective practice is often published & may be both validated & systematice #eltchat |
| garymotteram | 2:33 PM | @cioccas #eltchat What are the other questions we are supposed to address? |
| Imadruid | 2:33 PM | @rliberni @Marisa_C valid for who? #Eltchat |
| ozsolmaz | 2:33 PM | @cioccas :)) good point #ELTchat |
| sandymillin | 2:33 PM | RT @DaveDodgson: @sandymillin Identify an issue & possible solution, test it, collect data & draw your conclusions #ELTchat |
| garymotteram | 2:34 PM | #eltchat I'm not sure you should worry about tools until you have thought about questions and methodologies. Tools come later. |
| rliberni | 2:34 PM | @Shaunwilden now I'm really confused ???*** #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:34 PM | @Shaunwilden through elt chat #eltchat |
| hartle | 2:34 PM | @CoffeeAddictMe lost the tweet for this :-( #ELTchat |
| cioccas | 2:34 PM | @garymotteram ...Role of note-taking, researching tools in ELT #ELTchat |
| cherrymp | 2:34 PM | note-taking is 1 area i really face prob - always wondered reading how res quote #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:34 PM | RT @Shaunwilden: and If teachers want to do research where should they start and how can they disseminate their findings well? #eltchat |
| barbsaka | 2:34 PM | RT @Shaunwilden: and If teachers want to do research where should they start and how can they disseminate their findings well? #eltchat |
| cioccas | 2:34 PM | @garymotteram ...and how can they disseminate their findings well? #ELTchat and... |
| Shaunwilden | 2:34 PM | and If teachers want to do research where should they start and how can they disseminate their findings well? #eltchat |
| cherrymp | 2:34 PM | RT @Shaunwilden: #eltchat on @scoopit http://bit.ly/jtDjf5 > :) |
| sandymillin | 2:34 PM | #crowdsourcing request - looking for book/film reviews frm PLN to use w/ my SS: http://wp.me/p18yiK-ai Thanks! #eltchat #elt #efl #esl #tefl |
| hartle | 2:35 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat What sort of questions and methodolodgies do you suggest for language teachers? |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:35 PM | RT @Marisa_C: Perhaps we can start our own page for publishing teacher research ? #ELTchat #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden | 2:35 PM | RT @Marisa_C: Perhaps we can start our own page for publishing teacher research ? #ELTchat Oh good I can Add a new buttomn to the wiki :-) |
| cherrymp | 2:35 PM | u need to have a res qn or a prob - valid 1 - b4 u start #eltchat |
| cioccas | 2:35 PM | RT @Marisa_C: Perhaps we can start our own page for publishing teacher research ? #ELTchat < Ooh, like this :-) |
| ddeubel | 2:35 PM | what about the changing roles of journals? I find it hard now that there are so many non peer reviewed. What's valid? #eltchat |
| Imadruid | 2:35 PM | @Marisa_C #Eltchat absolutely. Validation comes in many forms (now). Catalytic, academic, ecological, outcome etc. |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 2:35 PM | I want to research whether cellphones are good as tools in the EFL classroom (teenagers) my own little project :-) |
| sandymillin | 2:35 PM | RT @Shaunwilden: and If teachers want to do research where should they start and how can they disseminate their findings well? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:35 PM | Perhaps we can start our own page for publishing teacher research ? #ELTchat |
| DaveDodgson | 2:35 PM | @Shaunwilden Best place to start is in the classroom :) #ELTchat |
| cherrymp | 2:35 PM | res tools - can't miss dat part too #eltchat |
| vickyloras | 2:35 PM | RT @rliberni: EFL/ESL Mentoring programme begins next week! 30/5 Time to sign up! http://bit.ly/mukGOF #eltchat #esol #efl #esl #edchat |
| garymotteram | 2:36 PM | #eltchat We need to find ways of getting publishers to make their journals more accessible. |
| sandymillin | 2:36 PM | RT @Marisa_C: Perhaps we can start our own page for publishing teacher research ? #ELTchat <good idea (or a blog eflresearch.wordpress free) |
| ddeubel | 2:36 PM | I think a wiki on possible research topics/questions would be great #eltchat |
| hartle | 2:36 PM | RT @DaveDodgson: @Shaunwilden Best place to start is in the classroom :) #ELTchat yes but background reading and discussion helps too |
| cioccas | 2:36 PM | RT @CoffeeAddictMe: I want to research whether cellphones are good as tools in the EFL classroom... <Go for it`! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:36 PM | @Shaunwilden the question is who would referee those instances of research ? #ELTchat |
| JoHart | 2:36 PM | @hartle @Marisa_C Quantitative enables the application of statistics & so allows us to place a value on reliabilty/repeatabilty #eltchat |
| cherrymp | 2:36 PM | RT @Marisa_C: Perhaps we can start our own page for publishing teacher research ? #ELTchat > gr8 |
| barbsaka | 2:36 PM | #jalt offers small grants for teachers who want to conduct research to encourage classroom teachers #eltchat |
| KarenMcca | 2:36 PM | @sandymillin Thanks, still new to this kind of"research" fraid can't join in the chat "actively" cos action = finish making lunch #eltchat |
| Imadruid | 2:36 PM | @JoHart @Marisa_C @alhen_ but it's not a defining characteristic of reflective practice. It is of AR. #Eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:36 PM | @DaveDodgson yes research in language aquisition for eg has been on-ging for a long time & much will still be relevant I feel #eltchat |
| cioccas | 2:37 PM | In Australia at least, there is a ranking system for journals, which sways decisions about where to publish, at least for academics #ELTchat |
| cherrymp | 2:37 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat We need to find ways of getting publishers to make their journals more accessible. >vl dey agree esp since cost? |
| DaveDodgson | 2:37 PM | @hartle Yes, but the reading should be dictated by the issue(s) from your classroom that you choose to focus on #ELTchat |
| rliberni | 2:37 PM | RT @Marisa_C: RT @garymotteram: #eltchat We need to find ways of getting publishers to make their journals more accessible.> u Cn say that agn! |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 2:37 PM | @hartle ??? #eltchat which tweet did u loose? |
| Marisa_C | 2:37 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat We need to find ways of getting publishers to make their journals more accessible.> u Cn say that agn! |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:37 PM | RT @cioccas: RT @CoffeeAddictMe: I want to research whether cellphones are good as tools in the EFL classroom - good topic! #eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:37 PM | @OUPELTGlobal sorry I'm a bit lost - what is time-consuming? #eltchat |
| hartle | 2:37 PM | RT @cioccas: RT @Marisa_C: Perhaps we can start our own page for publishing teacher research ? #ELTchat < Ooh, like this :-) grt idea |
| BobK99 | 2:37 PM | RT W tag: @CoffeeAddictMe Quick answer: yes and no.:) #eltchat |
| cherrymp | 2:37 PM | @cioccas: @CoffeeAddictMe: I want to research whether cellphones are good as tools <for wt?> in the EFL classroom... <Go for it`! #eltchat |
| ozsolmaz | 2:37 PM | RT @Marisa_C Perhaps we can start our own page for publishing teacher research ? #ELTchat > Excellent! + how about cooperative research? |
| Marisa_C | 2:38 PM | RT @ozsolmaz: RT @barbsaka #jalt offers small grants for teachers who want to conduct research to encourage classroom teachers #eltchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 2:38 PM | @cherrymp @cioccas : i will :-)http://coffeeaddict.edublogs.org/2011/05/13/cell-phones-in-school-experiment-part-i/ #eltchat |
| hartle | 2:38 PM | RT @CoffeeAddictMe: @hartle ??? #eltchat when you asked me "what research?" |
| ozsolmaz | 2:38 PM | RT @barbsaka #jalt offers small grants for teachers who want to conduct research to encourage classroom teachers #eltchat > great to hear it |
| cherrymp | 2:38 PM | @cioccas where is this ranking sys available? online? #eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:38 PM | RT @cioccas: In Australia at least, there is a ranking system for journals, which sways decisions about where to publish, at least for academics #ELTchat |
| JoHart | 2:38 PM | @Imadruid @Marisa_C @alhen_ pls give defining chars of reflective practice #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:38 PM | @BobK99 But how do you know without research? #eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:39 PM | RT @cioccas: Australian journal ranking list: http://bit.ly/kCHJbh #ELTchat (hope I got the right link) |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 2:39 PM | @RaniPillai @cioccas : the be.g of a plan: http://coffeeaddict.edublogs.org/2011/05/13/cell-phones-in-school-experiment-part-i/ #eltchat |
| cioccas | 2:39 PM | Australian journal ranking list: http://bit.ly/kCHJbh #ELTchat (hope I got the right link) |
| cherrymp | 2:39 PM | @CoffeeAddictMe: @cherrymp @cioccas vl check if access is not denied ;) #eltchat |
| ozsolmaz | 2:39 PM | @CoffeeAddictMe Go for the project Karin! Sounds great! ;) #ELTchat |
| ddeubel | 2:39 PM | @JoHart @hartle @Marisa_C Qualitative and ethnography also allow for statistical analysis and repeatability. #eltchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 2:39 PM | @BobK99 : did you try with your students? #eltchat |
| hartle | 2:39 PM | RT @DaveDodgson: @hartle Yes, but the reading should be dictated by the issue(s) from your classroom ... #ELTchat agreed |
| sandymillin | 2:39 PM | RT @naomishema: Just blogged: My Post for the έΑεDisabled Access-Friendly WorldέΑζ Blog Challenge http://bit.ly/iVxwdb #eltchat #spedchat |
| cherrymp | 2:40 PM | RT @cioccas: Australian journal ranking list: http://bit.ly/kCHJbh #ELTchat (hope I got the right link) - guess u dd |
| ozsolmaz | 2:40 PM | #ELTchat does anyone also think that R journals reply very late and it takes much time to publish the studies you have conducted? |
| hartle | 2:40 PM | Particularly new Ts need help, access to journals etc. 2 know what 2 read, where 2 start or they fall back onto "the usual" #ELTchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 2:40 PM | @ozsolmaz : thanks! hi btw. how r u? #eltchat |
| sandymillin | 2:40 PM | RT @DaveDodgson: So, when doing (action) research, how do you go about collecting data? #ELTchat |
| BobK99 | 2:40 PM | @CoffeeAddictMe I've had none for the last two years ;-( - but anyway, no #eltchat |
| DaveDodgson | 2:40 PM | So, when doing (action) research, how do you go about collecting data? #ELTchat |
| cherrymp | 2:40 PM | google scholar is a good research tool to get things org #eltchat |
| glazaro | 2:40 PM | RT @DaveDodgson: All of these journals are openly accessible online: http://bit.ly/9f7P5s #ELTchat |
| garymotteram | 2:41 PM | #eltchat Joining a professional organisation like IATEFL or JALT can help get you started with research. Meeting like-minded people. |
| Imadruid | 2:41 PM | @JoHart @Marisa_C @alhen_ I would say it's practitioner-based reflection on self- or other-directed activity. That's it. #Eltchat |
| DaveDodgson | 2:41 PM | @ozsolmaz True but I think the voloume of submissions contributes to that #ELTchat |
| lolonagi | 2:41 PM | RT @Marisa_C: #celt Suggest your top two or three Twitter users to my CELTA trainees pls - RT? #efl #esl #ELTchat Who should they follow? |
| Marisa_C | 2:41 PM | #celt Suggest your top two or three Twitter users to my CELTA trainees pls - RT? #efl #esl #ELTchat Who should they follow? |
| hartle | 2:42 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Joining a professional organisation like IATEFL or JALT can help get you started with research. Meeting like-minded people. |
| rliberni | 2:42 PM | What about big pic research like lang acquisition, brain func, new methodologies, social & cultural devels are these imp? #eltchat |
| cherrymp | 2:42 PM | checking index of res pub by sme journals is also a good place to start with #eltchat |
| JoHart | 2:42 PM | @ddeubel @hartle @Marisa_C Umm! sorry didn't mean to say not just quant easier to apply stats - I try to use semi-quat of qual info #eltchat |
| barbsaka | 2:42 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat prof organisations like IATEFL or JALT can help get you started with research. Meeting like-minded people. |
| cioccas | 2:42 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Joining a professional organisation like IATEFL or JALT can help get you started with research. < AGree! |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 2:42 PM | @ozsolmaz : I've never tried 2 publish anything. where would I publish? #eltchat |
| DaveDodgson | 2:42 PM | @ozsolmaz Plus the fact that reviewers/editors etc probably have several other jobs & projects as well #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden | 2:42 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Joining a professional organisation like IATEFL or JALT can help get you started with research. Meeting like-minded people. |
| cioccas | 2:42 PM | RT @ozsolmaz: #ELTchat ...R journals reply very late and it takes much time to publish the studies you have conducted? YES! |
| ozsolmaz | 2:42 PM | @Marisa_C @ShellTerrell @ozge @brad5patterson just three of them but must-follow! #celt #efl #esl #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden | 2:43 PM | RT @OUPELTGlobal: It seems what we r saying is that it's imp to be up to date. Is that the purpose of doing res? #eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:43 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Language Learning and Technology is a rated journal and is free. |
| hartle | 2:43 PM | RT @CoffeeAddictMe: @ozsolmaz : I've never tried 2 publish ... where would I publish? #eltchat ELTJournal of MET for mr general articles |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:43 PM | It seems what we r saying is that it's imp to be up to date. Is that the purpose of doing res? #eltchat |
| garymotteram | 2:43 PM | #eltchat Language Learning and Technology is a rated journal and is free. |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 2:43 PM | @ozsolmaz : good luck with ur defense! #eltchat |
| cioccas | 2:43 PM | @rliberni I think so, but sometimes I need them interpreted in simple language to understand & apply #ELTchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 2:43 PM | @ozsolmaz : I have my MA already :-) in British Lit #eltchat |
| esolcourses | 2:43 PM | @DaveDodgson @rliberni yes, may "still" be relevant, but we shouldn't assume it is. Newer pedagogies may have since emerged #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden | 2:43 PM | RT @ozsolmaz: @cioccas that's the right link! Thanks Lesley, good resource! #eltchat |
| ozsolmaz | 2:43 PM | RT @Marisa_C #celt Suggest your top two or three Twitter users to my CELTA trainees pls - RT? #efl #esl #ELTchat Who should they follow? |
| hartle | 2:44 PM | RT @rliberni: What about big pic research #eltchat Incredible effect on efl writing slowly, over time, so also on Ts. |
| Imadruid | 2:44 PM | #Eltchat signing off from interesting discussion. Work calls. What time tonight? |
| Marisa_C | 2:44 PM | Many teachers afraid of research - reeks of academia #ELTchat and not interested in reading it |
| rliberni | 2:44 PM | RT @barbsaka: #jalt members interested in research (and collaboration) created a group to support each other: http://mashcollaboration.com/ #eltchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 2:44 PM | @DaveDodgson : surveys? (I'm thinking of using surveys to coll. data after testing out my cellphoneapproch with grade8 #eltchat |
| vbenevolofranca | 2:44 PM | @DaveDodgson @ozsolmaz Sorry joining late, but also think many journals still based on highly "academic" research paradigm #ELTchat |
| ozsolmaz | 2:44 PM | @DaveDodgson we sent an article, they sent review, we resent, then two new referees reviewed once again :O (agree with your pts!) #eltchat |
| barbsaka | 2:44 PM | #jalt members interested in research (and collaboration) created a group to support each other: http://mashcollaboration.com/ #eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:44 PM | @OUPELTGlobal certainly the purpose of reading about it #eltchat |
| cherrymp | 2:44 PM | @cioccas: @rliberni that's a good pt - pub res in simple lang to make it accessible to a wider teacher base #ELTchat |
| garymotteram | 2:44 PM | #eltchat As is AJET -- Australasian Journal of Ed Tech. |
| cioccas | 2:44 PM | @CoffeeAddictMe I'm doing my second Masters at the moment, so you can also go back for more :) #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden | 2:45 PM | RT @Marisa_C: Many teachers afraid of research - reeks of academia #ELTchat and not interested in reading it |
| cioccas | 2:45 PM | @Marisa_C: #ELTchat And academia partly to blame as much is unreadable :-) |
| rliberni | 2:45 PM | @Marisa_C isn't this dangerous for our industry? #eltchat |
| esolcourses | 2:45 PM | RT @vbenevolofranca: @DaveDodgson @ozsolmaz Sorry joining late, but also think many journals still based on highly "academic" research paradigm #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:45 PM | @Imadruid @21:00 london time - see u later #Eltchat |
| DaveDodgson | 2:45 PM | @OUPELTGlobal Rather than being up to date, I'd say exploring opportuntites & solutions to issues in your context #ELTchat |
| ozsolmaz | 2:45 PM | @CoffeeAddictMe you can conduct your study and send it to related journals. here is one: http://llt.msu.edu/ #eltchat |
| seburnt | 2:45 PM | Practical LINOIT in the classroom http://bit.ly/mzNRPq #eltchat #edtech #eltrie |
| WarwickLinguist | 2:45 PM | RT @ShellTerrell: Characteristics of Highly Effective Teachers of English via @cherrymp http://bit.ly/mBOiTA #eltchat #esl #ellchat #tesol |
| Marisa_C | 2:46 PM | @garymotteram I don't, Gary, just reporting an attitude #eltchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 2:46 PM | @ozsolmaz gr8! thanks! Perhaps I will #eltchat |
| DaveDodgson | 2:46 PM | @OUPELTGlobal There are many ways to share and publish these days :) #ELTchat |
| cioccas | 2:46 PM | @hartle first one TESOL, now doing Online Ed #ELTchat |
| timjulian60 | 2:46 PM | @cioccas you beat me to it! was gonna say same thing #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden | 2:46 PM | @cioccas @Marisa_C I think you both have a point #eltchat |
| garymotteram | 2:46 PM | #eltchat 'reeks of academia' -- Why do we persist in seeing academia as a 'bad thing' :-) ? |
| JoHart | 2:46 PM | #eltchat do we need to "publish"? we blog, we present, we share - only reason to publish is if we need for qual |
| DaveDodgson | 2:46 PM | @ozsolmaz And varying opinions. One piece I submitted was said to need 'minor changes' by one reviewer, complete rewrite by another #ELTchat |
| ozsolmaz | 2:46 PM | @vbenevolofranca that's so true, can't agree more! #eltchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 2:46 PM | @cioccas NOOOOO way - the first one was enough! :-) what's ur second and why r u not rather doing a PhD??? #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:46 PM | @DaveDodgson Not necessary to share it or publish it, then? #eltchat |
| hartle | 2:46 PM | @cioccas what's yr MA in? #ELTchat |
| serawrites | 2:46 PM | RT @Ilotimo: RT @ShellTerrell: Characteristics of Highly Effective Teachers of English via @cherrymp http://bit.ly/mBOiTA #eltchat #edchat #finnedchat |
| hartle | 2:47 PM | If You don't want a journal thts 2 academic but thts serious try MET http://bit.ly/lgubO8 #ELTchat |
| cherrymp | 2:47 PM | @garymotteram guess d academic language scares or put off teachers - esp who have not much background in reading such things #eltchat |
| garymotteram | 2:47 PM | #eltchat Academia is simply another part of the community of practitioners involved in the ELT world. Maybe they do different things. |
| pjgallantry | 2:47 PM | sorry to have missed what looks like a fascinating conversation! :( #eltchat |
| DaveDodgson | 2:47 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat 'reeks of academia' -- Why do we persist in seeing academia as a 'bad thing' :-) |
| rliberni | 2:47 PM | @cioccas I think the academic stuff forms a bedrock from which other ideas and methodologies flow it's important to keep current #eltchat |
| JoHart | 2:47 PM | @Shaunwilden @cioccas @Marisa_C #eltchat academia not bad per se but the way it is used/exploited can be |
| ozsolmaz | 2:47 PM | @cioccas Wow! inspiring for a person who is about to finish his First MA thesis :)) #me #ELTchat |
| wellmichelle | 2:47 PM | @OUPELTGlobal It also keeps us motivated and interested in what we do, and allows teachers to see their work in a new way #eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:48 PM | @garymotteram true but they are the ones with the time to reflect and observe and this can inform us (or not - sometimes) #eltchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 2:48 PM | @DaveDodgson @garymotteram :didn't think we did. #eltchat |
| hartle | 2:48 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat maybe we need more bridges betwn academia and the language school classroom teacher |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:48 PM | RT @cioccas: @ozsolmaz I just love learning new stuff, that's all ;-) #ELTchat #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:48 PM | To a certain extent, academia threatens many ELT Ts becos many come to TEFL w/o a strong academic background #ELTchat |
| ozsolmaz | 2:48 PM | @CoffeeAddictMe survey for quantitative data + interview for qualitative data (mixed-methods research) would help you #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden | 2:48 PM | @garymotteram Isn't it because people equate acaedmia with being a little inaccessible - a bit beyond a 4-week certs knowledge? #eltchat |
| BobK99 | 2:48 PM | @cioccas Took the words out of my buccal orifice! #ELTchat |
| cioccas | 2:48 PM | @ozsolmaz I just love learning new stuff, that's all ;-) #ELTchat |
| bamarcia | 2:48 PM | RT @sandymillin: Really like the new random task generator from @David_Triptico Download here www.triptico.co.uk #eltchat #efl #esl #esol┬ι#elt #tefl |
| esolcourses | 2:49 PM | RT @Marisa_C: @hartle but to do this we must change the language or code used in academia and make it more accessible to Ts #eltchat |
| marekandrews | 2:49 PM | #VALUE! |
| Marisa_C | 2:49 PM | @hartle but to do this we must change the language or code used in academia and make it more accessible to Ts #eltchat |
| cioccas | 2:49 PM | @rliberni I don't have a problem with academia, but believe we need stronger links between theory and practice #ELTchat |
| ozsolmaz | 2:49 PM | RT @garymotteram: #eltchat Academia is simply another part of the community of practitioners involved in the ELT world. Maybe they do different things. |
| vbenevolofranca | 2:49 PM | @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Because focus is on very specific research issues not nec connected to classroom but theory & proving points #ELTchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 2:49 PM | @Marisa_C :all the more reason they should get into it :-D #eltchat |
| garymotteram | 2:49 PM | RT @hartle: RT @garymotteram: #eltchat maybe we need more bridges betwn academia and the language school classroom teacher > Here I am :-) |
| cherrymp | 2:49 PM | http://bit.ly/lX5PAI a research tool; bt needs membership #eltchat |
| ozsolmaz | 2:49 PM | @DaveDodgson headache! oh well, we keep working but it is indeed demotivating #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:49 PM | RT @hartle: RT @garymotteram: #eltchat maybe we need more bridges betwn academia and the language school classroom teacher > agree |
| pjgallantry | 2:50 PM | I try to keep up a stream of classroom-based action research:1 prob of 'academia' can be is that it deals with ideal class environs #eltchat |
| cherrymp | 2:50 PM | y not sb writes on good res (that's accessible) to generate sme interest among all to read? #eltchat |
| BobK99 | 2:50 PM | @Marisa_C Stick with 'code'! #ELTchat |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:50 PM | @cioccas isn't that what the teacher does? #eltchat |
| cioccas | 2:50 PM | RT @Marisa_C: @hartle but to do this we must change the language or code used in academia and make it more accessible to Ts #eltchat Yes! |
| rliberni | 2:50 PM | @hartle I do hope that there are bridges already otherwise what are they doing - research for research's sake? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden | 2:50 PM | RT @vbenevolofranca: Because focus is on very specific research issues not nec connected to classroom but theory & proving points #ELTchat |
| rliberni | 2:51 PM | @vbenevolofranca @Shaunwilden if that's the case then we're wasting an awful lot of time and money!! Surely research is to inform #eltchat |
| cioccas | 2:51 PM | RT @hartle: You can also share action based reasearch at conferences like IATEFL and publish the papers afterwards #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:51 PM | The role of academic journals in maintaining a "high code" or making it more accessible is crucial #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden | 2:51 PM | @CoffeeAddictMe Completely agree #eltchat |
| hartle | 2:51 PM | You can also share action based reasearch at conferences like IATEFL and publish the papers afterwards #ELTchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 2:51 PM | @vbenevolofranca @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C : so "small scale" action research by teachers in ESL/EFL classrooms should be encouraged #ELTchat |
| cioccas | 2:51 PM | RT @JoHart: #eltchat I have worked both sides of academic divide & feel academia often does not take on board the real world |
| ozsolmaz | 2:51 PM | RT @garymotteram Journals are much faster these days because they are online and the production process is much faster. #eltchat |
| cioccas | 2:51 PM | RT @OUPELTGlobal: as we head to the last 10 mins - research is what good teachers do, sharing it is what we all should do, right? #eltchat |
| DaveDodgson | 2:51 PM | What kind of research would you be interested in reading? (Just asking as I think about potential thesis topics :)) #ELTchat |
| cioccas | 2:51 PM | RT @rliberni: ... what are they doing - research for research's sake? #eltchat <Quite often YES, just to keep their jobs! #ELTchat |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:51 PM | as we head to the last 10 mins - research is what good teachers do, sharing it is what we all should do, right? #eltchat |
| JoHart | 2:51 PM | #eltchat I have worked both sides of academic divide & feel academia often does not take on board the real world |
| russell1955 | 2:51 PM | RT @Marisa_C: #celt Suggest your top two or three Twitter users to my CELTA trainees pls - RT? #efl #esl #ELTchat Who should they follow? |
| Shaunwilden | 2:52 PM | @rliberni I do s/times think it is the case to be honest #eltchat |
| cherrymp | 2:52 PM | @rliberni: @vbenevolofranca @Shaunwilden Surely research is to inform #eltchat >agree |
| JoHart | 2:52 PM | RT @OUPELTGlobal: as we head to last 10 mins - resrch is wht gd tchers do, sharing it is what we all shld do, right? #eltchat < Absolutely> |
| sandymillin | 2:52 PM | @DaveDodgson Any research where I can see a direct classroom application #ELTchat |
| pjgallantry | 2:52 PM | 1 issue of research in elt/langs is how does one do objective analysis of student performance/improvement? #eltchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 2:52 PM | @OUPELTGlobal : RIGHT! #ELTchat |
| cherrymp | 2:52 PM | @DaveDodgson sth that kud improve everyday classroom reality - be it ath #eltchat |
| sandymillin | 2:53 PM | How can you motivate Ts to do reseach if they're not on a course? #eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:53 PM | Beginning to feel quite jaded about this whole area, must remove the rose-tinted specs - not sure I'll like what I see! #eltchat |
| cioccas | 2:53 PM | @OUPELTGlobal Yes, but sometimes the gap btwn theoretical research & practice is too wide to bridge #ELTchat |
| barbsaka | 2:53 PM | @Marisa_C seems like most prof organizations have 2 tiers--vetted journal for "hard" research, and newsletters for action-type #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:53 PM | @rliberni Not really - I get a lot of MA in Elt or relevant doing DELTA who still find it a challenge! #eltchat |
| hartle | 2:53 PM | RT @JoHart: RT @OUPELTGlobal: - resrch is wht gd tchers do, sharing it is what we all shld do, right? #eltchat < Yeah!!! |
| cherrymp | 2:53 PM | @JoHart: RT @OUPELTGlobal: resrch is wht gd tchers do, sharing it is what we all shld do, right? #eltchat < Absolutely> yeah |
| pjgallantry | 2:53 PM | ...or, should I say, how can one compare 'success' of one methodology/approach over another? #eltchat |
| ozsolmaz | 2:53 PM | RT @DaveDodgson What kind of research would you be interested in reading? (Just asking as I think about potential thesis topics :)) #ELTchat |
| DeronDurflinger | 2:53 PM | RT @ShellTerrell: Characteristics of Highly Effective Teachers of English via @cherrymp http://bit.ly/mBOiTA #eltchat #esl #ellchat #tesol |
| esolcourses | 2:54 PM | @cioccas @timjulian60 @Marisa_C IME, people who turn in unreadable research ought to be handed it back & asked to rewrite it :-) #ELTChat |
| cioccas | 2:54 PM | RT @OUPELTGlobal: @sandymillin by sharing with others. I find that always motivates me - like this discussion #eltchat < Oh yeah! |
| cioccas | 2:54 PM | @rliberni I think what we need is more teachers doing research for themselves and other teachers #ELTchat |
| JoHart | 2:54 PM | #eltchat have to leave thankyou - I so love #eltchat even tho' am literacy not lang teacher & appreciate being included :) |
| Shaunwilden | 2:54 PM | RT @marekandrews: much ELT research is written in a way which is inaccessible to practising language ts+ is 2 much research on than research with #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:54 PM | @sandymillin by sharing with others. I find that always motivates me - like this discussion #eltchat |
| DaveDodgson | 2:54 PM | @sandymillin That's an issue - a lot of teachers won't do it without external impetus #ELTchat |
| marekandrews | 2:54 PM | much ELT research is written in a way which is inaccessible to practising language ts+ is 2 much research on than research with #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2:54 PM | RT @hartle: RT @Marisa_C: @rliberni Not really - I get them doing CELTA and thy find it a challenge!! #eltchat > Me too:-) |
| edyoucation | 2:54 PM | RT @Marisa_C ..role of academic journals in maintaining a "high code" or more accessible #ELTchat | Audience: self-serving / preservation? |
| cherrymp | 2:54 PM | RT @sandymillin: How can you motivate Ts to do reseach if they're not on a course? #eltchat>giving deir res more visibility |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 2:54 PM | @rliberni @vbenevolofranca @Shaunwilden i think research is also 2 learn and t2 test an idea - perhaps not to share if it fails :-) #ELTchat |
| vbenevolofranca | 2:54 PM | @garymotteram Don't think its bad, think there needs 2 be understanding there needs 2 be rapprochment between practice & theory #eltchat |
| hartle | 2:54 PM | RT @Marisa_C: @rliberni Not really - I get them doing CELTA and thy find it a challenge!! #eltchat |
| barbsaka | 2:54 PM | RT @OUPELTGlobal: as we head to the last 10 mins - research is what good teachers do, sharing it is what we all should do, right? #eltchat |
| cioccas | 2:55 PM | @garymotteram Agree, but some do it much better than others #ELTchat |
| hartle | 2:55 PM | I still think reflection is the key and then try it out and share it in whatever way you can #ELTchat |
| esolcourses | 2:55 PM | RT @cioccas: @rliberni I think what we need is more teachers doing research for themselves and other teachers #ELTchat |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:55 PM | RT @cioccas: @rliberni I think what we need is more teachers doing research for themselves and other teachers #ELTchat #eltchat |
| DaveDodgson | 2:55 PM | @CoffeeAddictMe But reflecting on why smt 'failed' is often as useful as reporting on success #ELTchat |
| garymotteram | 2:55 PM | #eltchat Academics do try to synthesis ideas and provide an overview, true, they also try to build on ideas that come from classrooms. |
| hartle | 2:55 PM | RT @cioccas: @rliberni I think what we need is more teachers doing research for themselves and other teachers #ELTchat I agree |
| rliberni | 2:56 PM | @CoffeeAddictMe failure isn't bad if we can learn from it but hobby research to indulge academics smacks of charlatanism - not good #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden | 2:56 PM | @CoffeeAddictMe @rliberni @vbenevolofranca Sharing even if fails is a good thing isnt it - we learn from that as well #eltchat |
| esolcourses | 2:56 PM | RT @Marisa_C: RT @hartle: RT @garymotteram: #eltchat maybe we need more bridges betwn academia and the language school classroom teacher > agree |
| Marisa_C | 2:56 PM | Which journals would you recommend reporting research of value to a classroom teacher ? #ELTchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 2:56 PM | @vbenevolofranca @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C : yes! #ELTchat |
| cioccas | 2:56 PM | RT @barbsaka: @JoHart #eltchat You always add to the quality, Jo! Hear hear! |
| Marisa_C | 2:56 PM | RT @vbenevolofranca: @CoffeeAddictMe @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C All in favour of this & think this also needs to be shared #ELTchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 2:56 PM | @ozsolmaz @garymotteram : but which are considered prestigious? #ELTchat |
| cherrymp | 2:56 PM | @OUPELTGlobal @cioccas: @rliberni I think what we need is more teachers doing research for themselves and other teachers #ELTchat >report it |
| barbsaka | 2:56 PM | @JoHart @JoHart #eltchat You always add to the quality, Jo! |
| vbenevolofranca | 2:56 PM | @CoffeeAddictMe @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C All in favour of this & think this also needs to be shared #ELTchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 2:57 PM | @OUPELTGlobal @cioccas @rliberni : from all the blogs I read these days - looks like many people r doing that already #ELTchat |
| JoHart | 2:57 PM | @barbsaka Thank you - I love you guys & your #eltchat when I can catch them they are always so lively & challenge the mind :) |
| vbenevolofranca | 2:57 PM | RT @barbsaka: @Marisa_C seems like most prof organizations have 2 tiers--vetted journal for "hard" research, and newsletters for action-type #ELTchat |
| cioccas | 2:57 PM | RT @DaveDodgson: @CoffeeAddictMe But reflecting on why smt 'failed' is often as useful as reporting on success #ELTchat |
| cherrymp | 2:57 PM | RT @Marisa_C: Which journals would you recommend reporting research of value to a classroom teacher ? #ELTchat |
| barbsaka | 2:57 PM | RT @Marisa_C: Which journals would you recommend reporting research of value to a classroom teacher ? #ELTchat |
| fionamau | 2:57 PM | RT @Marisa_C: #celt Suggest your top two or three Twitter users to my CELTA trainees pls - RT? #efl #esl #ELTchat Who should they follow? |
| fionamau | 2:57 PM | @Marisa_C Only two or three??? That's hard! They'd be better off joining #eltchat and choosing a few tweeters... so many gems, 3 is too few |
| garymotteram | 2:58 PM | #eltchat Most of the journals I read include articles that involve teachers report their research, few are highly academic. |
| OUPELTGlobal | 2:58 PM | @CoffeeAddictMe Ah yes, blogs - a good way to share classroom research. #eltchat |
| sandymillin | 2:58 PM | Thanks for an interesting #eltchat. Looking forward to trying out some action research when I start my new job next month! |
| cioccas | 2:59 PM | RT @ozsolmaz: @barbsaka @Marisa_C Language Learning & Technology is one of them and open-access http://llt.msu.edu/ #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden | 2:59 PM | RT @OUPELTGlobal: @CoffeeAddictMe Ah yes, blogs - a good way to share classroom research. #eltchat |
| esolcourses | 2:59 PM | RT @seburnt: With all the blogs now, I pay little attention to journals anymore. #eltchat @barbsaka @Marisa_C ] Same here, I have to say... |
| garymotteram | 2:59 PM | #eltchat ELTJ is one exaxmple; CALL and ReCALL others; AJET, too (not ELT, but contains articles on ELT). |
| barbsaka | 2:59 PM | @garymotteram Can you recommend a couple of not-so-highly academic journals for classroom teachers? #eltchat |
| rliberni | 2:59 PM | @CoffeeAddictMe hobby research? It's fine if it's on their own time & their own ideas but as a paid academic it's scandalous #eltchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 2:59 PM | @rliberni :what about hobby research" just to learn what works or not so u don't make the same mistake twice? That's what Im doin #ELTchat |
| hartle | 2:59 PM | Thnx for an interesting chat everyone. Have to go now, and thanx to the moderators...efficient as ever :-) #ELTchat |
| seburnt | 2:59 PM | With all the blogs now, I pay little attention to journals anymore. #eltchat @barbsaka @Marisa_C |
| edutweeter | 2:59 PM | RT @Marisa_C: #celt Suggest your top two or three Twitter users to my CELTA trainees pls - RT? #efl #esl #ELTchat Who should they follow? |
| Shaunwilden | 3:00 PM | RT @seburnt: With all the blogs now, I pay little attention to journals anymore. #eltchat Me too |
| barbsaka | 3:00 PM | @Marisa_C Why not long? #ELTchat |
| garymotteram | 3:00 PM | #eltchat Someone mentioned MET, that's good, too. |
| Marisa_C | 3:00 PM | Here is a page which you may find useful - won't be up for long though http://bit.ly/jKsuoR #ELTchat |
| vbenevolofranca | 3:00 PM | @Shaunwilden @CoffeeAddictMe @rliberni Sharing even if fails is a good thing isnt it - we learn from that as well #eltchat #eltchat>yes! |
| cherrymp | 3:00 PM | ty all for another wonderful, thought inspiring 1 hr - like to c d summary soon #eltchat |
| canyourecommend | 3:00 PM | #canyourecommend RT @barbsaka @garymotteram Can you recommend a couple of not-so-highly academic journals for classroom teachers? #eltchat |
| tefldust | 3:00 PM | RT @paksorn: Summary of #ELTchat έΑεWhat makes a good Director of Studies (DoS)? What should DoSέΑβs be doing ...?έΑζ | #ELTchat http://j.mp/iPO6Al |
| EHerrod | 3:00 PM | RT @sandymillin: #crowdsourcing request - looking for book/film reviews frm PLN to use w/ my SS: http://wp.me/p18yiK-ai Thanks! #eltchat #elt #efl #esl #tefl |
| barbsaka | 3:01 PM | @CoffeeAddictMe Don't think they can have time to do research, but can benefit from following :-) #ELTchat |
| BobK99 | 3:01 PM | Bye - and thx to evry1 esp mods #ELTchat |
| OUPELTGlobal | 3:01 PM | @CoffeeAddictMe I don't think they do have time #eltchat |
| ozsolmaz | 3:01 PM | @CoffeeAddictMe not matter if they are prestigious or not, many journals have good standards to publish, i think #eltchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 3:01 PM | @Shaunwilden @seburnt : me 2! :-) #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C | 3:01 PM | @barbsaka Changing my website structure soon so it will be moved #ELTchat |
| seburnt | 3:01 PM | RT @Marisa_C: Here is a page which you may find useful - won't be up for long though http://bit.ly/jKsuoR #ELTchat |
| cioccas | 3:01 PM | RT @CoffeeAddictMe: @barbsaka @Marisa_C : i wonder how full-time teachers could have time for "hard" research? #ELTchat < Too true! |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 3:01 PM | @barbsaka @Marisa_C : i wonder how full-time teachers could have time for "hard" research? #ELTchat |
| OUPELTGlobal | 3:02 PM | Thanks every1 for an inspiring chat. and thanks to the moderators for a nother great job! #eltchat |
| cioccas | 3:02 PM | Thanks everyone, esp our fabulous #ELTchat moderators and guest mod @garymotteram |
| garymotteram | 3:02 PM | RT @Marisa_C: Here is a page which you may find useful - won't be up for long though http://bit.ly/jKsuoR #ELTchat > Good list. |
| esolcourses | 3:02 PM | RT @Marisa_C: Here is a page which you may find useful - won't be up for long though http://bit.ly/jKsuoR #ELTchat |
| barbsaka | 3:02 PM | Thanks to @garymotteram for sharing his excellent expertise with us! I learned a lot from you :-) #eltchat |
| esolcourses | 3:02 PM | @seburnt @barbsaka @Marisa_C also many teacher development books these days (such as DELTA series) much more readable/accessible #eltchat |
| KarenInGreece | 3:03 PM | Spent morning running around at the bank and tax office. Missed #ELTchat again. Hope I can make it tonight! |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 3:03 PM | @rliberni : oh yeah - i understand. i 4got that many ELTteachers are really Univ. part-time teachers part-time scientists #ELTchat |
| rliberni | 3:03 PM | Thanks everyone interesting chat keeping us mods on our toes! Thnx to @barbsaka @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C & @garymotteram #eltchat |
| barbsaka | 3:03 PM | @Marisa_C great list! #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden | 3:04 PM | @garymotteram Thanks for joining us #eltchat |
| cioccas | 3:04 PM | Great #ELTchat as ever! Usually can't manage the second one these days, too early in the morning here in Australia :-) |
| DaveDodgson | 3:04 PM | RT @ozsolmaz: @CoffeeAddictMe I recommend you to follow TOJET. http://www.tojet.net/ many cases of technology and lang. learning from Turkey #eltchat |
| garymotteram | 3:04 PM | #ELTchat Great chat, I enjoyed it. |
| ozsolmaz | 3:04 PM | @CoffeeAddictMe I recommend you to follow TOJET. http://www.tojet.net/ many cases of technology and lang. learning from Turkey #eltchat |
| rliberni | 3:05 PM | @seburnt no, unless you count the comments? #eltchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 3:05 PM | @rliberni :do they research lots of useless stuff? i mean no practical use in the classroom #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C | 3:05 PM | Thank you all for a great chat and many thanks to @garymotteram who added his expertise to our team of moderators today! #eltchat |
| ozsolmaz | 3:05 PM | RT @rliberni: Thanks everyone interesting chat keeping us mods on our toes! Thnx to @barbsaka @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C & @garymotteram #eltchat |
| rliberni | 3:05 PM | @CoffeeAddictMe good luck with the mobile research I think they have gr8 potential but are over-hyped #eltchat |
| RaniPillai | 3:05 PM | RT @garymotteram: #ELTchat Great chat, I enjoyed it. |
| ozsolmaz | 3:05 PM | It was great to follow all of your tweets everyone. Thanks so much @garymotteram @barbsaka and the rest of all for great tips! #eltchat |
| seburnt | 3:05 PM | True... and blogs aren't peer-reviewed... @CoffeeAddictMe @rliberni #eltchat |
| sandymillin | 3:05 PM | #eltpics is all flavours of #technology (IT, appliances, 'old' tech...) http://bit.ly/jUJ4Xt What can you add? #eltchat #elt #efl #esl #esol |
| Marisa_C | 3:06 PM | RT @Shaunwilden: Did anyone volunteer to do the summary ;-) ? #eltchat |
| rliberni | 3:06 PM | @CoffeeAddictMe so I'm led to believe which did not used to be the case #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden | 3:06 PM | Did anyone volunteer to do the summary ;-) ? #eltchat |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 3:07 PM | @rliberni :why? what happened? run out of good topics? #ELTchat |
| cherrymp | 3:07 PM | RT @fionamau: @Marisa_C Only two or three??? That's hard! They'd be better off joining #eltchat and choosinέΑο (cont) http://deck.ly/~GB5yB |
| esolcourses | 3:08 PM | @Marisa_C thnks 4 the link - have added it 2 my CPD in Education links on @scoopit http://t.co/BeBm1wb let me know when U change it #ELTChat |
| CoffeeAddictMe | 3:09 PM | @seburnt @rliberni :well, peers read them & comment... #ELTchat |
| seburnt | 3:09 PM | @rliberni Interesting suggestion RE comments. Not sure I'd qualify them as scholarly advice. ;) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 3:09 PM | @barbsaka @garymotteram Thanks ! Will try to keep may be on a blog or wiki? #ELTchat |
| cherrymp | 3:09 PM | PLN I've put up a google form on distinctions b'w #ESL and #EFL - plz respond http://bit.ly/jFNDen #eltchat #tesl #tefl |
| Marisa_C | 3:10 PM | Anyone doing this fabulous summary? #ELTchat |
| esolcourses | 3:10 PM | thanks for another great #eltchat folks, and to @rliberni @barbsaka @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C & @garymotteram for moderating! |