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How to avoid death by course books suggestions and advice for teachers stuck in a very regimented

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This is the transcript of the eltchat at 12pm on 11.05.2011 How to avoid death by course books?” suggestions and advice for teachers stuck in a very regimented teaching situation who want to avoid becoming course book drones 

 

barbsaka 02:00 Happy to be back tonight for #eltchat after 3 weeks away!
janetbianchini 02:00 @yearinthelifeof  I have a liking for Headway Pre -int!! #eltchat It's solidly based.
barbsaka 02:01 @janetbianchini That's the second chat #eltchat
janetbianchini 02:01 #eltchat What's full title of this chat?  What happened to online learning topic?
barbsaka 02:01 Ready to go? @@LizziePinard What's an EF special? #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:01 #eltchat I would gladly use any books apart from EF specials...Cutting Edge is pretty good, used that in my training
hartle 02:01 HI everyone  #eltchat
janetbianchini 02:02 @hartle Hi Sharon and all - nice to see you here! #eltchat
naomishema 02:02 #eltchat Hello! just got back from school! What's the topic?
barbsaka 02:02 plus suggestions and advice for teachers stuck in a very regimented teaching situation who want to avoid becoming coursebook drones #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 02:02 Hello everyone! looking forward to today's topic, subjectively speaking #eltchat
Marisa_C 02:02 Hello everyone and welcolme to #ELTchat - ready to talk how to avoid death by coursebook?
janetbianchini 02:02 @barbsaka HI Barbara - welcome back - hope you are keeping fine! #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:03 especially when cb is thick and the course is quite short, so no time... #eltchat
sandymillin 02:03 We have a strict syllabus at our school (esp. cos we share classes), but are encouraged to adapt as much as possible.  #eltchat
hartle 02:03 Unfortunately I do  #ELTchat
janetbianchini 02:03 @barbsaka Thanks for explaining! #eltchat This topic is a good one, as well :)
BobK99 02:03 In at the beginning for once! #eltchat
bcnpaul1 02:03 we're supposed to use c'bks in my school but no-one says how so I use them as a doorstop :) #eltchat
barbsaka 02:03 So, how many of you use a coursebook? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:03 @naomishema How to use a coursebook when you have to use a coursebook #eltchat
sandymillin 02:03 RT @barbsaka: plus suggestions and advice for teachers stuck in a very regimented teaching situation who want to avoid becoming coursebook drones #eltchat
hartle 02:03 @janetbianchini  yes I wanted online learning but we probably won't get it today #eltchat
yearinthelifeof 02:03 @janetbianchini Very solid, good for clobbering to death #ELTchat
worldteacher 02:04 @LizziePinard I like Cutting Edge, too! Current school uses English File  - not a bad text, but need to adapt, add, etc. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:04 @gknightbkk No I'm going to sit on anyone who mentions it ;-) #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:04 book so dense no time for anything else!! wish there was time to do other things! #eltchat
janetbianchini 02:04 @yearinthelifeof I disagree most vividly re "Very solid, good for clobbering to death" #ELTchat
janebarden 02:04 #eltchat @janetbianchini   all teachers on a 15 min break and then we will join the scary world of eltchat.  They all seem keen.
brad5patterson 02:04 First #eltchat in a good month !  Glad to be back :)  multi-taksing but here Hi @naomishema !
NikkiFortova 02:04 Every course I teach requires us to use a coursebook  #eltchat
gknightbkk 02:04 Is this topic going to encourage the Dogmes? #eltchat
sandymillin 02:04 RT @Marisa_C: Today's moderators are @barbasaka @Shaunwilden and @Marisa_C Please let us know if you need help #ELTchat
theteacherjames 02:04 @OUPELTGlobal #eltchat You realise some of us will be particularly interested in what you say on this subject... ;-)
hartle 02:04 I'm using Inside Out Upper Int. with uni students  #ELTchat
sedayyildirim 02:04 following #eltchat in class with my terrible coursebook in my hand !
LizziePinard 02:04 we are encouraged to stick to the book and not do owt else! #eltchat
sandymillin 02:04 Our syllabi are generally on basis of one double-page per 90 minute session #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:04 @barbsaka I do, well did as I dont teach f2f at moment #eltchat
Marisa_C 02:04 Today's moderators are @barbasaka @Shaunwilden and @Marisa_C Please let us know if you need help #ELTchat
Marisa_C 02:05 @janebarden we are keen but nice :-) do join us!!!! #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:05 Our EF school uses EF's new Real English, which would be ok if the course were longer...#eltchat
greenesl 02:05 No coursebooks for the grade ones I work with so maybe #eltchat not for me tonight...
hartle 02:05 @worldteacher  yes I like Cutting Edge too but more to dip into than as a set CB  #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 02:05 @theteacherjames I'm ready, bracing myself - lol #eltchat
NikkiFortova 02:06 @gknightbkk maybe they think learners expect them #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:06 what can you do if time is very tight, cb very dense and you dont want to be a cb drone? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:06 RT @gknightbkk: Why do schools prescribe a coursebook? Is it quality assurance, standardisation across classes/teachers, what? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:06 RT @harrisonmike: Is #ELTchat about adapting coursebooks to needs? I would say so
barbsaka 02:06 @harrisonmike Yes :-) #ELTchat
gknightbkk 02:06 Why do schools prescribe a coursebook? Is it quality assurance, standardisation across classes/teachers, what? #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:06 one double page? try 3.... :-( #eltchat
harrisonmike 02:06 Is #ELTchat about adapting coursebooks to needs?
Shaunwilden 02:06 RT @Shaunwilden: @OUPELTGlobal  You must be the best placed to tell us how to avoid death by cbk? ;-) #eltchat
hartle 02:06 Has anyone used the new Global CB The idea of the CD workbook looks really gd to me  #ELTchat
sandymillin 02:06 #eltchat I try to do at least one 'books closed' part of every lesson. e.g. brainstorming vocab b4 they see in book/eliciting exmpl sentence
worldteacher 02:06 RT @sandymillin: Our syllabi are generally on basis of one double-page per 90 minute session #eltchat Ours too! Are our directors related?!
naomishema 02:07 RT @Shaunwilden: @LizziePinard Using a cbk doesnt mean doing absolutely everything it, does it? #eltchat I second that!
OUPELTGlobal 02:07 @Shaunwilden to me it seems that blaming the course for bad teaching is like blaming a map for getting lost.  #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:07 we are supposed to do as much as humanly possible! #eltchat
theteacherjames 02:07 @gknightbkk Unleash the Dogmes!! #eltchat
chucksandy 02:07 RT @gknightbkk: Why do schools prescribe a coursebook? Is it quality assurance, standardisation across classes/teachers, what? #eltchat
brad5patterson 02:07 RT @barbsaka: Ideas? RT @LizziePinard: what can you do if time is very tight, cb very dense and you dont want to be a cb drone? #eltchat
Marisa_C 02:07 RT @LizziePinard: what can you do if time is very tight, cb very dense and you dont want to be a cb drone? #eltchat
janetbianchini 02:07 @janebarden #eltchat Agree with Marisa_C we are keen but nice :-) do join us!!!! It'll be fun to meet your teachers!
cintiastella 02:07 Good morning everybody! Still little working experience but I hope I can add my two cents #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:07 @LizziePinard Using a cbk doesnt mean doing absolutely everything it, does it? #eltchat
sandymillin 02:07 @LizziePinard think u have to prioritise. What do your students really need to do in those pages? If they don't need vocab, skip it #eltchat
emmy__c 02:07 @hartle I use Global Pre Int. The CD workbook is useful especially for sts to self-study #ELTchat
Marisa_C 02:07 So I get the feeling that you don't like very long units that drag on forever... #ELTchat :-)
hartle 02:07 RT @gknightbkk: Why do schools prescribe a coursebook? I think it's because ss expect one, often and so do teachers #eltchat
worldteacher 02:07 @LizziePinard #eltchat - key for me is to be selective - don't do every exercise - then you can supplement with more relevant material
LizziePinard 02:07 oh and powers that be v strict that you use it and don't stray!! #eltchat
barbsaka 02:07 Ideas? RT @LizziePinard: what can you do if time is very tight, cb very dense and you dont want to be a cb drone? #eltchat
janetbianchini 02:08 RT @hartle: RT @gknightbkk: Why do schools prescribe a coursebook? I think it's because ss expect one, often and so do teachers #eltchat
worldteacher 02:08 @LizziePinard 3 double pages? Way too much!! Are they strict about that? #eltchat
barbsaka 02:08 Good point RT @hartle: I find CBs very useful as a springboard to discussion and learner centred work but not to be used slavishly  #ELTchat
emmy__c 02:08 RT @sandymillin: @LizziePinard think u have to prioritise. What do your students really need to do in those pages? If they don't need vocab, skip it #eltchat
Marisa_C 02:08 RT @naomishema: RT @Shaunwilden: @LizziePinard Using a cbk doesnt mean doing absolutely everything it, does it? #eltchat I second that!
Shaunwilden 02:08 RT @SimonGreenall: @Shaunwilden  Certainly not - you don't have to use everything in a CB. Oh, BTW, hi everyone! #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:08 #eltchat and EF want that cos students forced to buy the book (That they made), all about money
janetbianchini 02:08 RT @LizziePinard: what can you do if time is very tight, cb very dense and you dont want to be a cb drone? #eltchat
bcnpaul1 02:08 schools expect it cause it's always been that way, but t's shd  be encouraged to try without & see what works best for them & sts #eltchat
Marisa_C 02:08 @LizziePinard Are you REQUIRED to do everything in your coursebook - or else u might lose ur job ? #eltchat
hartle 02:08 I find CBs very useful as a springboard to discussion and learner centred work but not to be used slavishly  #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 02:08 @CintiaStella Please join in am sure you have some useful things to add :-) #eltchat
barbsaka 02:08 @LizziePinard Try teaching the content with books closed--cover same ground but can do it in fun way. Open books after for review #eltchat
brad5patterson 02:08 RT @sandymillin: @LizziePinard think u have to prioritise. What do your students really need to do in those pages? If they don't need vocab, skip it #eltchat
sandymillin 02:08 @LizziePinard I also give SS some of the CB pages for homework, and some in class. Tell them it's their responsibility to do @ home #eltchat
sandymillin 02:09 @theteacherjames Think topic is more about being in situations where you are forced to use CB and materials light not an option #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:09 RT @Marisa_C: @BrunoELT Death by doing everything in the coursebook  #eltchat  exactly!!! enforced death!!
barbsaka 02:09 Yes! RT @hartle: CB can't cater for specific groups so they are generic but U can adapt the ideas and tasks to yr context  #ELTchat
janetbianchini 02:09 RT @OUPELTGlobal: @Shaunwilden to me it seems that blaming the course for bad teaching is like blaming a map for getting lost.  #eltchat
Marisa_C 02:09 @BrunoELT Death by doing everything in the coursebook  #eltchat
hartle 02:09 CB can't cater for specific groups so they are generic but U can adapt the ideas and tasks to yr context  #ELTchat
LizziePinard 02:09 well its the only way to complete the required units in the required time frame #eltchat
theteacherjames 02:09 @Shaunwilden @gknightbkk  #eltchat Am I allowed to talk about a materials light, conversation based approach, or will I be smothered?
cerirhiannon 02:09 RT @barbsaka: Good point RT @hartle: I find CBs very useful as a springboard to discussion and learner centred work but not to be used slavishly  #ELTchat
sandymillin 02:10 #eltchat You can take the grammar points / vocab from those pages & teach it in a more personalised way - could be v. time consuming tho!
LizziePinard 02:10 yes, you can!! #eltchat
rliberni 02:10 RT @OUPELTGlobal: @sandymillin Can you really be forced to use a CB? Have never really been in that situation #eltchat
theteacherjames 02:10 @sandymillin @Shaunwilden I know, just kidding... :-) #eltchat
janetbianchini 02:10 #eltchat You have to be selective, and plan to adapt anything that is a bit boring - personalise, get the students to give their opinions
OUPELTGlobal 02:10 @sandymillin Can you really be forced to use a CB? Have never really been in that situation #eltchat
Marisa_C 02:10 RT @chucksandy: I always tell Ts that CBs (including the ones I write) are really just a template/recipe book from which to build. #eltchat
barbsaka 02:10 RT @chucksandy: I always tell Ts that CBs (including mine) are really just a template / recipe book from which to build. #eltchat
cerirhiannon 02:10 RT @chucksandy: I always tell Ts that CBs (including the ones I write) are really just a template / recipe book from which to build. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:10 @theteacherjames  Course you can, we just need to make sure that there is no option but to use the cbk in this chat #eltchat
chucksandy 02:10 I always tell Ts that CBs (including the ones I write) are really just a template / recipe book from which to build. #eltchat
Marisa_C 02:11 RT @bcnpaul1: c'bks are a gr8 framework for t's but there needs to be investigation & negotiation 4 unecessary stuff to disappear #eltchat
cerirhiannon 02:11 RT @bcnpaul1: c'bks are a gr8 framework for t's but there needs to be investigation & negotiation that allows the unecessary stuff to disappear #eltchat
janetbianchini 02:11 #eltchat No tweets are coming in - seems to be stuck!
sandymillin 02:11 @OUPELTGlobal Maybe 'forced' too strong a word, 'strongly encouraged' #eltchat Altho in some situations (not mine) might be essntial 4 boss!
BobK99 02:11 @sandymillin ' Tell them it's their responsibility to do @ home #eltchat'. Hollow laugh - but that's a whole nother discussion.
bcnpaul1 02:11 c'bks are a gr8 framework for t's but there needs to be investigation & negotiation that allows the unecessary stuff to disappear #eltchat
rliberni 02:11 RT @chucksandy: Good cooks know what can be left out of, put into a recipe, or added as a side dish. Good Ts using CBs know the same thing.  #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:11 if i suggest about doing that, superior just says, no, better stick to the book more closely #eltchat
catsndogs 02:11 #eltchat no coursebook but creating as we go along. takes time.
naomishema 02:11 #eltchat I often use texts / exercises in a CB not in the way they were intended - like marking nouns & verbs, eye- catchers, etc.
chucksandy 02:11 Good cooks know what can be left out of, put into a recipe, or added as a side dish. Good Ts using CBs know the same thing.  #eltchat
barbsaka 02:11 @OUPELTGlobal Yes, you CAN be forced to use a coursebook. And not often one of your choice :) #eltchat
hartle 02:11 @OUPELTGlobal @Marisa_C  Absolutely . I really agree with the recipe idea :-)  #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 02:11 @OUPELTGlobal Oh gosh so many school force sts to use a book #eltchat
rliberni 02:11 RT @janetbianchini: #eltchat You have to be selective, and plan to adapt anything that is a bit boring - personalise, get the students to give their opinions
emmy__c 02:11 I think the key is to adapt CB material to st needs & provide a variety of exercise types. CB can be used at home for consolidation #ELTchat
worldteacher 02:11 RT @barbsakaTry teaching content with books closed--cover same ground but can do it in fun way. Open books after for review #eltchat Agreed!
butebob 02:11 isn't it the case that many teachers expect them? They do provide a cohesive syllabus to supplement / tailor to your own class #ELTchat
barbsaka 02:12 @OUPELTGlobal You'd be surprised how often I meet teachers who's school managers require exactly that :) #eltchat
janetbianchini 02:12 RT @chucksandy: Good cooks know what can be left out of, put into a recipe, or added as a side dish. Good Ts using CBs know the same thing.  #eltchat
rliberni 02:12 RT @OUPELTGlobal: @Shaunwilden yes sts are fordced to buy them but are teachers forced to use them "slavishly"? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:12 @OUPELTGlobal I have been in some  schools where they have to cover everything but luckily this is not the norm #eltchat
sandymillin 02:12 @LizziePinard I think that says more about your superior than it does about the books tho - u'r obviously trying 2 personlise more #eltchat
brad5patterson 02:12 @chucksandy @barbsaka already forgettin my hashtags .  LOL  :) #eltchat
cerirhiannon 02:12 RT @chucksandy: RT @naomishema: I often use texts/exercises in a CB not in the way they were intended > fabulous!  #eltchat
rliberni 02:12 RT @SimonGreenall: #eltchat Oh it's not the CB writers or publishers who force teachers to commit death by CB.  If you have a choice you can always say no.
LizziePinard 02:12 RT @BobK99: @sandymillin ' Tell them it's their responsibility to do @ home #eltchat'. Hollow laugh - but that… (cont) http://deck.ly/~3c1Pl
Marisa_C 02:12 RT @SimonGreenall: #eltchat Oh it's not the CB writers or publishers who force teachers to commit death by CB… (cont) http://deck.ly/~YZGw0
OUPELTGlobal 02:12 @Shaunwilden yes sts are fordced to buy them but are teachers forced to use them "slavishly"? #eltchat
chucksandy 02:12 RT @naomishema: I often use texts/exercises in a CB not in the way they were intended > fabulous!  #eltchat
SimonGreenall 02:12 #eltchat Oh it's not the CB writers or publishers who force teachers to commit death by CB.  If you have a choice you can always say no.
SimonGreenall 02:13 @Shaunwilden #eltchat Sorry Shaun. New software.
hartle 02:13 #eltchat this Global archive of elessons is support for Course with good topical lessons. Very popular wit… (cont) http://deck.ly/~whDe5
barbsaka 02:13 @Shaunwilden Schools in some parts of the world are stricter than others. Inverse relationship w/ed background of school admin #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:13 RT @chucksandy: RT @SimonGreenall: its not  CB writers or publishers <forcing> teachers to commit death by CB. ...  you can always say no. > yes #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:13 argh i cant keep up haha!! #eltchat
chucksandy 02:13 RT @SimonGreenall: its not  CB writers or publishers <forcing> teachers to commit death by CB. ...  you can always say no. > yes #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:13 RT @NikkiFortova: In my experience many new t's don't realize that cb writers don't know their students and follow the book blindly #eltchat
catsndogs 02:13 seems JTs enjoy a course to follow and hard to get them to vary from the book #eltchat
theteacherjames 02:13 #ELTChat @kenwilsonlondon did a great webinar for @MacmillanELT on adapting the coursebook a while back: http://bit.ly/9okG5d
NikkiFortova 02:13 In my experience many new t's don't realize that cb writers don't know their students and follow the book blindly #eltchat
worldteacher 02:13 @OUPELTGlobal Of course you can! Many schools insist that their teachers use the cb &, moreover, that they do every page! #eltchat
brad5patterson 02:13 RT @bcnpaul1: c'bks are a gr8 framework for t's but there needs to be investigation & negotiation that allows the unecessary stuff to disappear #eltchat
hartle 02:14 @gknightbkk  yes but weaker teachers will follow slavishly if not encouraged to learn how to spring away  #ELTchat
sandymillin 02:14 RT @Marisa_C: RT @bcnpaul1: c'bks are a gr8 framework for t's but there needs to be investigation & negotiation 4 unecessary stuff to disappear #eltchat
sandymillin 02:14 @BobK99 Although that does make me sound like a horrible teacher! #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:14 @bcnpaul1 wish i could do that! #eltchat
sandymillin 02:14 RT @BobK99: ' Tell them it's their responsblty to do @ home #eltchat'. Hollow laugh>I agree, but hav 2 say they're adults & it's their prob!
worldteacher 02:14 RT @chucksandy: Good cooks know what can be left out of, put into a recipe, or added as a side dish. Good Ts using CBs know the same thing.  #eltchat
rliberni 02:14 RT @harrisonmike: I like @kenwilsonlondon's suggestion about stimulating  interest by asking students questions about CB topics @ start of the course #eltchat
gknightbkk 02:14 Schools want a coursebook that supports the weakest teachers. Good teachers will always know how to spring out of it #eltchat
harrisonmike 02:14 I like @kenwilsonlondon's suggestion about stimulating  interest by asking students questions about CB topics @ start of the course #eltchat
naomishema 02:14 #eltchat - aslo have twitter problems - don't see my own tweets!
bcnpaul1 02:14 Inot using a book this yr is gr8 but I still look in them for resources & ideas. Basing a whole year on dogme can be v.difficult #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:14 RT @barbsaka: @Shaunwilden Schools in some parts of the world are stricter than others. Inverse relationship w/ed background of school admin #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 02:15 @hartle a great objective for teacher training courses #eltchat
cybraryman1 02:15 Early in my teaching career I saw the necessity to write my own material. My Curriculum Writing page: http://tinyurl.com/4njb32e #eltchat
sandymillin 02:15 RT @NikkiFortova: In my experience many new t's don't realize that cb writers don't know their students and follow the book blindly #eltchat
sandymillin 02:15 RT @theteacherjames: #ELTChat @kenwilsonlondon did a great webinar for @MacmillanELT on adapting the coursebook a while back: http://bit.ly/9okG5d
rliberni 02:15 @Marisa_C  OMG we're both in #edchat #eltchat :0)
barbsaka 02:15 @LizziePinard another idea for you--try assigning some of the coursebook (like listenings) as homework to free up time in class #eltchat
Danmagie 02:15 @barbsaka I have some class sets that I use as one type of resource when building units.  I'm not bound to them for sure!  #eltchat
chucksandy 02:15 RT @gknightbkk: Schools want a coursebook that supports the weakest teachers. Good Ts will always know how to spring out of it  #eltchat
janetbianchini 02:15 I liked following my coursebook "Streamline Departures" for the whole year in East Germany in 1982!  I learned how to adapt it #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 02:16 RT @janetbianchini: #eltchat Agree, freeing up exercises for h/w helps  -pin up answers on wall for sts to self-correct>love that idea :)
gadispinandita 02:16 RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat and EF want that cos students forced to buy the book (That they made), all about money
evab2001 02:16 what r we talking about #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:16 @LizziePinard So you simply have to teach from the book? #eltchat
janetbianchini 02:16 RT @cybraryman1: Early in my teaching career I saw the necessity to write my own material. My Curriculum Writing page: http://tinyurl.com/4njb32e #eltchat
sandymillin 02:16 @LizziePinard If you're struggling to keep up with #eltchat & on tweetdck, recommnd: go 2 bottom of column, use arrows to move up @ own pace
worldteacher 02:16 @OUPELTGlobal Yes in many schools teachers are forced to use cbs 'slavishly' My DOS would have a fit if she knew how often I don't! #eltchat
janetbianchini 02:16 #eltchat Agree, freeing up exercises for h/w helps with time factors -pin up answers on wall for sts to self-correct
barbsaka 02:16 @LizziePinard No homework allowed? #eltchat
bcnpaul1 02:16 @lizziepinard lol #eltchat
Marisa_C 02:16 @rliberni Are you doing both? #eltchat
chucksandy 02:16 RRT @NikkiFortova: In my experience many new ts dont realize that cb writers dont know their students & follow the book blindly >ya #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:16 @barbsaka not allowed! #eltchat
barbsaka 02:16 Looks like we need to be a bit patient with Twitter tonight :-) #eltchat
rliberni 02:16 RT @cybraryman1: Early in my teaching career I saw the necessity to write my own material. My Curriculum Writing page: http://tinyurl.com/4njb32e #eltchat
rliberni 02:16 @Marisa_C @Marisa_C thanks - I thought I'd sneak in at the back! #eltchat
rliberni 02:17 RT @OUPELTGlobal: 10 Commandments for Motivating Language Learners http://oxford.ly/mtPunw #eltchat #edchat #efl
sandymillin 02:17 #eltchat Have you ever had specific training in how to adapt your coursebook to your students? Was really useful early seminar @my school
barbsaka 02:17 @catsndogs Ah, thanks! You're sweet :) (Let's Go author) #eltchat
Regent_Home 02:17 RT @OUPELTGlobal: 10 Commandments for Motivating Language Learners http://oxford.ly/mtPunw #eltchat #edchat #efl
rliberni 02:17 @Marisa_C  no just a bit schizophrenic! #eltchat
worldteacher 02:17 RT @theteacherjames: #ELTChat @kenwilsonlondon did a great webinar for @MacmillanELT on adapting the cb a while back: http://bit.ly/9okG5d
catsndogs 02:17 let's go a good start point for younger kids who like textbooks #eltchat
barbsaka 02:17 @LizziePinard You need one of those hypnosis based methods so Ss can "absorb" knowledge or at least awake thinking they did :) #eltchat
Marisa_C 02:17 Here are some suggestions on adapting your CB - a few are even fun to do! :-) http://bit.ly/bExj4V  #ELTchat
hartle 02:17 Much depends on yr situation and workload, teachers doing 40 hrs a week need a safety net. Not ideal but realistic  #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 02:17 I've always thought of a coursebook as a map, the route I decide with my sts, as well as the pace #eltchat
gknightbkk 02:17 @hartle Often the 'weaker' teachers who follow slavishly are NNS trying to keep up with NS #eltchat
Marisa_C 02:18 @sandymillin This a session I always do on my courses - most new Ts expected to work with CBs - #eltchat
barbsaka 02:18 RT @SimonGreenall: @OUPELTGlobal  #eltchat Good metaphor, CB as  map and route.
rliberni 02:18 RT @chucksandy: In my fave promotional prez I cut up my CB into 6 pieces & asked Ts how they'd put them back together. Then said: please do that.  #eltchat
SimonGreenall 02:18 @OUPELTGlobal  #eltchat Good metaphor, CB as  map and route.
BobK99 02:18 @sandymillin Horrible? Just realistic. If they don't take resposibility for their part in learning, they won't ;learn much. #eltchat
barbsaka 02:18 @sandymillin Nice idea to have a seminar how to adapt #eltchat
chucksandy 02:18 In my fave promotional prez I cut up my CB into 6 pieces & asked Ts how they'd put them back together. Then said: please do that.  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:18 RT @OUPELTGlobal: I've always thought of a coursebook as a map, the route I decide with my sts, as well as the pace #eltchat
bcnpaul1 02:18 @gknightbkk do you really think so? #eltchat
janetbianchini 02:18 @evab2001 HI Eva - we're tralking about using a course book slavishly and ways out of it #eltchat
brad5patterson 02:18 RT @Marisa_C: Here are some suggestions on adapting your CB - a few are even fun to do! :-) http://bit.ly/bExj4V  #ELTchat
hartle 02:18 RT @worldteacher: RT @theteacherjames: #ELTChat @kenwilsonlondon did a great webinar for @MacmillanELT on adapting the cb a while back: http://bit.ly/9okG5d
rliberni 02:19 I used to team teach with a CB we took alternate units - got a bit disjointed so I picked out bits & supplemented heavily #eltchat
hartle 02:19 @LizziePinard  Yes no time for other things is a problem, teaches feel guilty if they don't use the book  #ELTchat
sandymillin 02:19 RT @Marisa_C: Here are some suggestions on adapting your CB - a few are even fun to do! :-) http://bit.ly/bExj4V  #ELTchat
antoniaclare 02:19 #eltchat hi everyone - talked to DOSes recently who insist their Ts only spend 50% of time on CB mats, and have to improvise for the rest
naomishema 02:19 #eltchat CB's treasure hunts inside coursebooks make ss feel they've looked through the whole CB even thought we haven't "learned" it all.
ddeubel 02:19 #eltchat this is a presentation I made on this, with links. http://bit.ly/lEwejQ
sandymillin 02:19 RT @gknightbkk: @hartle Often the 'weaker' teachers who follow slavishly r NNS trying to keep up w/ NS #eltchat <I would have said opposite
barbsaka 02:19 When I do teacher training, Ts are often surprised when I suggest teaching 3/4 of class with books closed :) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:19 RT @gknightbkk: @hartle Often the 'weaker' teachers who follow slavishly are NNS trying to keep up with NS #eltchat  Am not sure that's true
gknightbkk 02:19 @bcnpaul1 @gknightbkk do you really think so? #eltchat > In many contexts
Marisa_C 02:19 RT @SimonGreenall: @OUPELTGlobal  #eltchat Good metaphor, CB as  map and route.
LizziePinard 02:19 #eltchat i do adapt it but the problem is, the rules plus the time frame=no space for anything non book! #eltchat
worldteacher 02:20 @OUPELTGlobal In an ideal world - yes #eltchat
brad5patterson 02:20 First look looks great :) RT @ddeubel: #eltchat this is a presentation I made on this, with links. http://bit.ly/lEwejQ
LizziePinard 02:20 treasure hunt nice idea #eltchat
rliberni 02:20 Why do schools insist on CBs? #eltchat
barbsaka 02:20 @LizziePinard Do you teach at a private language school?  #eltchat
janetbianchini 02:20 RT @ddeubel   #eltchat this is a presentation I made on this, with links. http://bit.ly/lEwejQ - thanks David!
Shaunwilden 02:20 @LizziePinard It doesnt sound like a fun job #eltchat
ddeubel 02:20 How many students actually do the extra online exercises many books offer? #eltchat
hartle 02:20 @worldteacher  yes I've done that too, so the key is to be selective and adapt.  #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 02:20 RT @naomishema: #eltchat CB's treasure hunts inside coursebooks  > good for kicking off as well, ask ss to idenitfy images/texts that appeal
sandymillin 02:20 RT @theteacherjames: @sandymillin I would have loved that kind of training. Must have got your brain whirring! #eltchat <it did!
LizziePinard 02:20 in training i was allowed to be creative and was, here creativity is not encouraged, more frowned upon!!#eltchat
Marisa_C 02:20 @SimonGreenall Crutch... #ELTchat
catsndogs 02:20 that map that kids can see might help them feel concrete progress too #eltchat
barbsaka 02:20 @naomishema Very clever idea (treasure hunts!) #eltchat
theteacherjames 02:20 @sandymillin I would have loved that kind of training. Must have got your brain whirring! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:20 @gknightbkk @bcnpaul1 More like post CELTA NS who have been taught to hang on too their cbk too tightly #eltchat
worldteacher 02:20 @barbsaka My school doesn't allow us to give the listening tracks to sts until AFTER we've listened in class #eltchat
worldteacher 02:21 RT @Marisa_C: Here are some suggestions on adapting your CB - a few are even fun to do! :-) http://bit.ly/bExj4V  #ELTchat >nice link - thx
evab2001 02:21 @janetbianchini thnx Janet #eltchat
bcnpaul1 02:21 @shaunwilden exactly! unless they did a CELTA with a dogme specialist :-) #eltchat
sandymillin 02:21 @LizziePinard  #eltchat 2/2 class helps - I give SS links to lots of other resources that they can investigate if they want to. Added value!
chucksandy 02:21 Worth mentioning: despite the Ts here, much of the teaching world isn't ready for/prepared to teach in a CB free world.  #eltchat
Marisa_C 02:21 RT @Shaunwilden: RT @rliberni: Why do schools insist on CBs? #eltchat Well it beats lots of poor photocopies :-) > Good Question
LizziePinard 02:21 @barbsaka yup!! #eltchat
hartle 02:21 Another idea is to get learners to choose the unit that looks most interesting to them  #ELTchat
rliberni 02:21 Are stds hungry for CBs? #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:21 @Shaunwilden leaving soon! :-D students are lovely tho #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:21 RT @rliberni: Why do schools insist on CBs? #eltchat Well it beats lots of poor photocopies :-)
sandymillin 02:21 RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat the rules plus the time frame=no space for anything non book! #eltchat <this is where sth like Edmodo outside 1/2
antoniaclare 02:21 #eltchat Also if Ts using other materials helps school to differentiate from competition
rliberni 02:21 RT @brad5patterson: "First look" looks great :) RT @ddeubel: #eltchat this is a presentation I made on this, with links. http://bit.ly/lEwejQ
hartle 02:22 @Marisa_C  Private schools???  #ELTchat
LizziePinard 02:22 @sandymillin what is 2/2 sorry? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:22 @bcnpaul1 haha, but even then they might not be confident enough in their own LA to get away from lots of cbk cp activities #eltchat
barbsaka 02:22 @hartle It depends on the class, for me. Some students do better with a coursebook. Others without. #ELTchat
harrisonmike 02:22 RT @cerirhiannon: RT @hartle: Another idea is to get learners to choose the unit that looks most interesting to them  #ELTchat > yes, or topic, theme, image
antoniaclare 02:22 RT @chucksandy: Worth mentioning: ...much of the teaching world isn't ready for/prepared to teach in a CB free world.  #eltchat> Phew!
rliberni 02:22 @Shaunwilden yes I hate p'copies they always end up squashed in s'ones bag & not used - no real obj to CBs for stds just wondered #eltchat
Danmagie 02:22 @barbsaka @SimonGreenall @OUPELTGlobal With stops 4 vdo  views, audio lunches, and media centers--with the map, along the route. #eltchat
cerirhiannon 02:22 RT @hartle: How many poeple teach without CBs at all?  #ELTchat > do both, depends on the course/context
Marisa_C 02:22 Lots of schools I know don't actually trust their teachers to do a good job so CB is a safeguard #ELTchat - protectins Ss from T !!!!!
bcnpaul1 02:22 @gknightbkk could you elaborate on that a bit? #eltchat
cintiastella 02:22 RT @chucksandy: Worth mentioning: despite the Ts here, much of the teaching world isn't ready for/prepared to teach in a CB free world.  #eltchat
sandymillin 02:22 RT @naomishema: #eltchat CB's treasure hunts inside coursebooks make ss feel they've looked through the whole CB even thought we haven't "learned" it all.
barbsaka 02:22 @LizziePinard Then admin is likely doing what they think will bring in Ss. Advertise how much they cover (vs. how much learned) #eltchat
hartle 02:22 How many poeple teach without CBs at all?  #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 02:22 RT @hartle: Another idea is to get learners to choose the unit that looks most interesting to them  #ELTchat > yes, or topic, theme, image
hartle 02:23 @Shaunwilden  yes I agree but using a CB as a syllabus is a gd idea particularly for weaker or busier teachers  #ELTchat
SimonGreenall 02:23 #eltchat  CBs are more than 'better than photocopies.' There's a lot of research going into to methodology, topics, coverage of curricula...
janetbianchini 02:23 RT @hartle: Another idea is to get learners to choose the unit that looks most interesting to them #ELTchat > yes, or topic, theme, image
rliberni 02:23 RT @OUPELTGlobal: @Shaunwilden many teachers too, unfortunately #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 02:23 @Shaunwilden many teachers too, unfortunately #eltchat
barbsaka 02:23 RT @Shaunwilden: @rliberni I think many school see cbks as the syllabus #eltchat <--absolutely
Shaunwilden 02:23 @rliberni I think many school see cbks as the syllabus #eltchat
Marisa_C 02:23 @hartle   yes private  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 02:24 And many schools in Greece use LOTS of books to keep the T busy & ss out of mischief #ELTchat
naomishema 02:24 #eltchat Some SS feel that the number of pages they filled in their CB measures their progress!
LizziePinard 02:24 RT @bcnpaul1: RT @shaunwilden: @rliberni I think many school see cbks as the syllabus #eltchat >that's exactly the problem. EXACTLY!! x2!!!
yitzha_sarwono 02:24 Still on my way home,in a bus, hope to still able to check out #eltchat along the way
hartle 02:24 @LizziePinard  or have a nice blog or wiki where exercises can be posted  #ELTchat
gknightbkk 02:24 In Asian contexts most Ts are NNS but teach alongside a minority of NS. The admin want CLT approach and think a coursebook is sol #eltchat
cintiastella 02:24 The 2 largest English institutes in Peru use a CB & teachers have to struggle with tight teaching schedules to cover it in 1 month #eltchat
worldteacher 02:24 RT @ddeubel: #eltchat this is a presentation I made on this, with links. http://bit.ly/lEwejQ >Great link - thanks!
chucksandy 02:24 @marisa_c That's 1 side of it. The other side is a lot of Ts aren't willing to / too busy to create their own materials.  #eltchat
bcnpaul1 02:24 RT @shaunwilden: @rliberni I think many school see cbks as the syllabus #eltchat >that's exactly the problem. EXACTLY!!
LizziePinard 02:24 #eltchat so instead of a cb, centres should give a nice file for all those crappy photocopies to be kept toget… (cont) http://deck.ly/~i88j6
Shaunwilden 02:24 RT @OUPELTGlobal: @Shaunwilden many teachers too, unfortunately #eltchat Yes agreed :-(
cintiastella 02:25 A CB may simplify the work for a "not so well prepared" teacher #eltchat
cerirhiannon 02:25 RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat perhaps we shld see cbs as 'core' syllabus to be adapted according to sts' needs
rliberni 02:25 @brad5patterson true & edchatters are getting extra value today! #eltchat
janetbianchini 02:25 @chucksandy I think creating one's own materials should be mandatory in a Teacher training syllabus, surely? #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 02:25 From a school's point of view a CB offers some structure and common point for teachers and sts - important, no? #eltchat
Marisa_C 02:25 V old blog post of mine "How many books to teach a 6 year old" http://bit.ly/afYQ2 #ELTchat
hartle 02:25 RT @barbsaka: Very true RT @naomishema: #eltchat Some SS feel that the number of pages they filled in their CB measures their progress!
cerirhiannon 02:25 RT @barbsaka: Very true RT @naomishema: #eltchat Some SS feel that the number of pages they filled in their CB measures their progress!
LizziePinard 02:25 @hartle can u elaborate sorry? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:25 @gknightbkk Arh the CLT approach, the myth that underlies many cbks #eltchat
rliberni 02:25 @SimonGreenall true & I think it is good to give stds one - I do, but I prefer it as a reference #eltchat
barbsaka 02:25 Very true RT @naomishema: #eltchat Some SS feel that the number of pages they filled in their CB measures their progress!
antoniaclare 02:25 #eltchat perhaps we shld see cbs as 'core' syllabus to be adapted according to sts' needs
barbsaka 02:25 Not necessarily bad to use coursebook as syllabus and reminder for language learned. LOTS of research in those syllabi :) #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 02:25 RT @Shaunwilden: @rliberni I think many school see cbks as the syllabus #eltchat
SimonGreenall 02:26 RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat perhaps we shld see cbs as 'core' syllabus to be adapted according to sts' needs>> I agree if teachers need it.
sandymillin 02:26 RT @Marisa_C: Here are some suggestions on adapting your CB - a few are even fun to do! :-) http://bit.ly/bExj4V  #ELTchat >great ideas
hartle 02:26 RT @barbsaka: gr8 post! RT @Marisa_C: V old blog post of mine "How many books to teach a 6 year old" http://bit.ly/afYQ2 #ELTchat
BobK99 02:26 @CintiaStella '...teachers have to struggle ...  to cover it in 1 month #eltchat' - I wonder what they think they mean by 'cover'? :-)
barbsaka 02:26 Yes RT @OUPELTGlobal: From a school's point of view a CB offers some structure and common point for teachers and sts - important? #eltchat
ddeubel 02:26 I give this Richards essay out as reading in my certificate courses.  http://bit.ly/f6FeXc #eltchat
harrisonmike 02:26 @Marisa_C Why would they trust a book instead? Can a coursebook 'understand' the students and their needs? So so misguided =( #eltchat
gknightbkk 02:26 The book is expensive, there is always pressure to cover the whole book at the expense of extending it #eltchat
NikkiFortova 02:26 Are there any pre-service courses that don't require trainees to follow a coursebook? Too much to ask to expect trainees not to? #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 02:26 hear2 ! RT @LizziePinard in training i was allowed to be creative and was, here creativity is not encouraged, more frowned upon!!#eltchat
janetbianchini 02:26 RT @barbsaka: Not necessarily bad to use coursebook as syllabus and reminder for language learned. LOTS of research in those syllabi :) #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:26 @OUPELTGlobal  a syllabus framework could do that plus access to the resources to build ones own lesson to fulfil the syllabus #eltchat
barbsaka 02:26 gr8 post! RT @Marisa_C: V old blog post of mine "How many books to teach a 6 year old" http://bit.ly/afYQ2 #ELTchat
bcnpaul1 02:26 RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat perhaps we shld see cbs as 'core' syllabus to be adapted according to sts' needs > agree w/that (sort of :))
janetbianchini 02:26 RT @hartle: @LizziePinard  or have a nice blog or wiki where exercises can be posted  #ELTchat
chucksandy 02:26 @LizziePinard: RT @bcnpaul1: RT @shaunwilden: @rliberni  I've visited a lot of schools that really have no idea what a syllabus is #eltchat
theteacherjames 02:26 #ELTChat Once, had to use two CBs with the same class (one reading, one writing), but each a different level. Nightmare!
hartle 02:26 @LizziePinard  yes but elaborate what? I've missed it too fast and furious  #ELTchat
sandymillin 02:26 #eltchat With some pages, esp. revision, let SS do tasks @ own pace & come to you to check answers after each ex. Hav more 4 fast finishers
SimonGreenall 02:26 RT @rliberni: @SimonGreenall true & I think it is good to give stds one - I do, but I prefer it as a reference #eltchat>> totally agree.
Marisa_C 02:26 @chucksandy protection against lazy Ts - sure that too! #eltchat
worldteacher 02:27 RT @hartle: @worldteacher  yes I've done that too, so the key is to be selective and adapt.  #ELTchat >Absolutely!!
janetbianchini 02:27 RT @sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: Here are some suggestions on adapting your CB - a few are even fun to do! :-) http://bit.ly/bExj4V  #ELTchat >great ideas
hartle 02:27 @LizziePinard  ok :-)  #ELTchat
worldteacher 02:27 @ddeubel I always recommend them, but 'you can lead a horse to water' & all that..... #eltchat
chucksandy 02:27 RT @janetbianchini: I agree, but many Ts have never had the chance to take a teacher training course. Sad but true #eltchat
bcnpaul1 02:27 @chucksandy probably cos they think it all happens as if by magic from page 1 until roughly 3/4 of the way thru' when they say bye #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:27 @hartle ive lost track too! will dm u later when i read the transcript!! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:27 @chucksandy:    #eltchat Yes me too&they look shocked at the suggestion of using one
brad5patterson 02:28 CBs or no CBs, this idea of progress seems to be core.  CBs might b symbolic of progress like @naomishema said 4 both TTs and SSs #eltchat
bcnpaul1 02:28 one of my best friends went to work for a publisher to sell c'bks- TO OUR SCHOOL our relationship is unretrievable :-) #eltchat
barbsaka 02:28 Two problems I see. 1) Required coursebook not appropriate. 2) Good book, but too little time to cover everything require. #eltchat
theteacherjames 02:28 @hartle 95% of the time, I don't use them  #ELTchat
LizziePinard 02:28 RT @gknightbkk: The book is expensive, there is always pressure to cover the whole book at the expense of extending it #eltchat EXACTO!
evab2001 02:28 @cerirhiannon @hartle me 2,I have a class I use CB&another w/o. but when I use CB I use it as guide,I always find sth relevant 2 ss #eltchat
rliberni 02:28 @chucksandy I'm lucky my syllabus comes from each student is is designed for them - makes it v challenging but more interesting #eltchat
worldteacher 02:29 RT @rliberni: Are stds hungry for CBs? #eltchat In Italy, yes - feel cheated if they don't get one! Even for conversation classes!
ddeubel 02:29 I think it important what you subtract and communicate that at the start with Ss. #eltchat
janetbianchini 02:29 @chucksandy #ELTchat Do you mean teachers who are teaching on gap -years, without full teaching qulifications?
Shaunwilden 02:29 RT @antoniaclare: @janetbianchini #eltchat ALso, someTs are good at teaching but not so good at preparing /writing materials.  It's a different skill
hartle 02:29 The future of CBs is to adapt to 21st Century learning. Info outside class, and use of language in the class  #ELTchat
rliberni 02:29 @LizziePinard if students have bought the book then I think it's only fair to use it - a bit in class & for hwk or extra study? #eltchat
antoniaclare 02:29 @janetbianchini #eltchat ALso, someTs are good at teaching but not so good at preparing /writing materials.  It's a different skill
Marisa_C 02:29 @harrisonmike They would trust a book more bcz they have no idea of pedagogy themselves - they just OWN a school  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:29 @LizziePinard Maybe you can invite the school directors to join us on #eltchat and we can point out the error of their ways to them :-)
cintiastella 02:29 Many Ss feel that if the don't cover the whole CB, they have not learned #eltchat
NikkiFortova 02:29 RT @brad5patterson: CBs or no CBs, this idea of progress seems to be core.  CBs might b symbolic of progress like @naomishema said 4 both TTs and SSs #eltchat
rliberni 02:30 @janetbianchini  I also think CBs can be very invaluable for new teachers - you need to find your feet and learn so much #eltchat
bamarcia 02:30 RT @brad5patterson: CBs or no CBs, this idea of progress seems 2 b core.  CBs might b symbolic of progress l4 both TTs and SSs #eltchat
hartle 02:30 RT @worldteacher: RT @rliberni: Are stds hungry for CBs? #eltchat In Italy, yes - feel cheated if they don'… (cont) http://deck.ly/~9qk7R
OUPELTGlobal 02:30 CBs do give sts (maybe Ts too) a sense of progression through the year #eltchat
juanalejandro26 02:30 RT @barbsaka: Coursebooks can also be useful for teachers who teach many classes and don't have time to create all from scratch for every class #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:30 RT @ddeubel: I think it imp what u subtract & communicate that at the start with Ss. #eltchat Agreed if you explain to them they understand
yitzha_sarwono 02:30 Problems with developing country here is parents still expect CB as they thought it's the whole lesson,while dogme is strange thing #eltchat
antoniaclare 02:30 @brad5patterson #eltchat Agreed - perhas we should be looking at better ways to measure progress (e.g. filming sts, ongoing blogs etc)
evab2001 02:30 RT @barbsaka: Two problems I see. 1) Required coursebook not appropriate. 2) Good book, but too little time to cover everything require. #eltchat
barbsaka 02:30 Coursebooks can also be useful for teachers who teach many classes and don't have time to create all from scratch for every class #eltchat
brad5patterson 02:30 CORE ISSUE--->  RT @barbsaka 1) Required coursebook not appropriate. 2) Good book, but too little time to cover everything require. #eltchat
Pameliabrwn 02:30 RT @SimonGreenall: RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat perhaps we shld see cbs as 'core' syllabus to be adapted according to sts' needs>> I agree if teachers need it.
chucksandy 02:30 the issue isn't as simple CB/no CB. It's  schools not knowing what they're doing hiring Ts who don't know what they're doing.  #eltchat
Marisa_C 02:31 @sandymillin Sure - just conveying the DOS attitude here  #eltchat
rliberni 02:31 @hartle I think it's seen as part of the course, it's expected and that's fine #eltchat
harrisonmike 02:31 @Marisa_C No idea of 'human interaction' of you ask me. Catch ya later #eltchat
theteacherjames 02:31 @barbsaka @naomishema Sometimes sts want to use a CB because it's there & they've paid for it, or they wonder why it's there at all #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:31 RT @chucksandy: the issue isn't as simple CB/no CB. It's  schools not knowing what they're doing hiring Ts who don't know what they're doing.  #eltchat
chucksandy 02:31 RT @janetbianchini: no, I mean Ts working in places the world where training & PD isn't viewed as essential.  #eltchat
hartle 02:31 @bamarcia CBs also a safety net, and stds can go home study again things they missed if pace too fast etc.  #ELTchat
antoniaclare 02:31 RT @hartle: The future of CBs is to adapt to 21st Century learning. Info outside class, and use of language in the class  #ELTchat>maybe!
Marisa_C 02:31 RT @rliberni: @janetbianchini  I also think CBs can be very invaluable for new teachers you need to find your feet  learn so much #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:31 RT @hartle: The future of CBs is to adapt to 21st Century learning. Info outside class, and use of language in the class  #ELTchat
SimonGreenall 02:31 #eltchat  many teachers in state schools are obliged to use CBs because they' 'interpret' the  English curriculum.
janetbianchini 02:31 @antoniaclare #ELTchat I agree prepping materials is a different ball game to teaching but it's a useful skill to learn how to do it
barbsaka 02:31 @yitzha_sarwono In some parts of the world I travel to, coursebooks are still seen as "high tech" :-) #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 02:31 RT @barbsaka: Two problems I see. 1) Required coursebook not appropriate. 2) Good book, but too little time to cover everything require. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:31 RT @rliberni: @janetbianchini  I also think CBs can be very invaluable for new teachers - you need to find your feet and learn so much #eltchat
sandymillin 02:31 RT @Marisa_C: @chucksandy protection against lazy Ts - sure that too! #eltchat >tho I think it can *create* lazy Ts too sometimes
janetbianchini 02:32 @barbsaka Point taken re being time-consuming to do own mats all the time, but good 4 re-using later & sharing with other teachers? #ELTchat
rliberni 02:32 @Shaunwilden the same goes for TBs with newbies learn the ropes and then throw them out! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:32 @rliberni @janetbianchini  sorry tweetdeck went mad..job 36 hours a week couldnt imagine not using a cbk back then #eltchat
bcnpaul1 02:32 not always fair to chastise the c'bk (OMG - what am I saying!!) it's often a case of a bad workman blaming his tools (or her) #eltchat
hartle 02:32 @rliberni  yes but of course it all depends how you use it :-)  #ELTchat
BobK99 02:32 @rliberni LizziePinard if students have bought the book then I think it's only fair to use it ... #eltchat' - Yes - by all means .../
antoniaclare 02:32 RT @barbsaka: Cbs can be useful for teachers who teach many classes and don't have time to create all from scratch for every class #eltchat
chucksandy 02:32 RT @barbsaka: @yitzha_sarwono In some parts of the world I travel to, coursebooks are still seen as "high tech" :-) >yes yes yes #eltchat
bamarcia 02:32 @hartle  #ELTchat That's true! ;)
gknightbkk 02:32 As a coursebook publisher for 15 years, I feel Euro publishing panders to T wishes too much. Big gap between theory & practice  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:33 @rliberni yes though these days TBs seem more indepth and i find myself reading them more than i used to #eltchat
barbsaka 02:33 @janetbianchini Absolutely. All teachers create their own materials, even if they use a coursebook :) #ELTchat
cintiastella 02:33 @barbsaka @yitzha_sarwono And in some parts of the world, CB are regarded as the ONLY teaching material to be used #eltchat
sandymillin 02:33 Do you have suggestions for specific activities to adapt CB activities? #eltchat
theteacherjames 02:33 RT @sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: Here are some suggestions on adapting your CB - a few are even fun to do! :-) http://bit.ly/bExj4V  #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 02:33 @gknightbkk interesting point - who's leading who? #eltchat
sandymillin 02:34 @cerirhiannon What are 'reader response codes' #eltchat
cerirhiannon 02:34 RT @sandymillin: suggestions for specific activities to adapt CB activities? #eltchat > Ss write comp qs for reading texts
Shaunwilden 02:34 RT @OUPELTGlobal: Do publishers provide CBs that make teachers, and teaching better or do they simply pander to T's insecurities? #eltchat
gknightbkk 02:34 @OUPELTGlobal interesting point - who's leading who? >> Exactly #eltchat
SimonGreenall 02:34 @barbsaka #eltchat  I dont think it's always true that 'all teachers create their own materials.' Many do, but not all. Sometimes they can't
sandymillin 02:34 @rliberni CBs helped me to learn roughly what grammar was appropriate for each level #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 02:34 Do publishers provide CBs that make teachers, and teaching better or do they simply pander to T's insecurities? #eltchat
janetbianchini 02:34 @rliberni #ELTchat Totally agree!  I'd've been lost with/out  trusted Streamline Departs as a newbie teacher! Had to teach it 2 ALL classes
mk_elt 02:34 #eltchat For nw Ts cbks can be good too -> I learned a lot of new things/activities before I decided to use cbks more selectively
cerirhiannon 02:34 RT @sandymillin: suggestions for specific activities to adapt CB activities? #eltchat > use reader response codes instead of comp qs
barbsaka 02:34 Also true :) RT @CintiaStella:  And in some parts of the world, CB are regarded as the ONLY teaching material to be used #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:34 RT @sandymillin: Do you have suggestions for specific activities to adapt CB activities? #eltchat
antoniaclare 02:34 @janetbianchini Yes, very useful - I think it's a good idea for them to experiement with published and their own mats #eltchat
rliberni 02:34 @Shaunwilden me too - Kernel Lessons was my bible - still have my copy - love to look at it imagine just Pres simple for a week!! #eltchat
brad5patterson 02:34 @antoniaclare #eltchat i always taped for pronunciation, and geared growth by fluidity and accent--- oral-focused, but many possibilities
Shaunwilden 02:35 @sandymillin You can achieve a lot by simply opening and closing the book, what did u see, what can u remember, can u retell etc #eltchat
brad5patterson 02:35 So what does a TT do when they have too much material to cover, and feel "oppressed" by a CB ? #eltchat
hartle 02:35 @ddeubel  true but some are better than others  #ELTchat
antoniaclare 02:35 RT @bcnpaul1: not always fair to chastise the c'bk (OMG - what am I saying!!) it's often a case of a bad workman blaming tools #eltchat :))
bcnpaul1 02:35 h'wk task to plan how to teach the next part of the bk  works well- then sts've learnt it & u can do sthg else to use the lang #eltchat
evab2001 02:35 RT @ddeubel: My opinion is most TBs are atrocious. too much info. Too dense and don't leave much for teacher dev. #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:35 RT @ddeubel: My opinion is most TBs are atrocious. too much info. Too dense and don't leave much for teacher dev. #eltchat
barbsaka 02:35 @SimonGreenall I think they do, eventually. Natural course of development. First you follow, then you adapt. Not always on paper. #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 02:35 @CintiaStella @barbsaka Well, been there,done that! But I was lucky enough to be able to break out a bit and adding personal touch #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 02:35 I loved the Streamline series. Shaped me as the teacher and trainer I am today #eltchat
cerirhiannon 02:35 RT @sandymillin: @cerirhiannon What are 'reader response codes' #eltchat > students write e.g. ? ! x :) as they react to the text
ddeubel 02:35 My opinion is most TBs are atrocious. too much info. Too dense and don't leave much for teacher dev. #eltchat
NikkiFortova 02:35 @cerirhiannon what are reader response codes?  #eltchat
hartle 02:35 @sandymillin yes and this is very challenging for newbie teachers  #ELTchat
LizziePinard 02:35 #eltchat use reader response codes instead of comp qs <---what does it mean?
bcnpaul1 02:36 @antoniaclare thought you might like that :-) #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:36 RT @brad5patterson: So what does a TT do when they have too much material to cover, and feel "oppressed" by a CB ? #eltchat
barbsaka 02:36 @gknightbkk Europe panders more than Asia? #eltchat
SimonGreenall 02:36 @barbsaka  #eltchat  Yes, I agree, but  ... Am thinking of my teachers in Chinese state schools, 20% of all ELT teachers around world.
cerirhiannon 02:36 RT @Shaunwilden: @sandymillin You can achieve a lot by simply opening and closing the book, what did u see, what can u remember, can u retell etc #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:36 #eltchat im blaming time constraints rather than tools/cbs. cbs have their place but not as king in the class!!
Shaunwilden 02:36 RT @hartle: The resources provided in many T-bks have taught me a lot over the years  #ELTchat Yep me too
gknightbkk 02:36 @ddeubel but that's what Ts asked for #eltchat
rliberni 02:36 RT @evab2001: @ddeubel agree David but some Ts really love using them #eltchat and some need clear guidance
worldteacher 02:36 RT @barbsaka: Coursebooks can also be useful for teachers who teach many classes and don't have time to create all from scratch for every class #eltchat
hartle 02:36 The resources provided in many T-bks have taught me a lot over the years  #ELTchat
evab2001 02:36 @ddeubel agree David but some Ts really love using them #eltchat and some need clear guidance
bnleez 02:36 It's about how the CB is being used, not the CB itself. Use CBs (along with other materials) to uncover (vs. cover) content #eltchat
rliberni 02:36 RT @Shaunwilden: @sandymillin You can achieve a lot by simply opening and closing the book, what did u see, what can u remember, can u retell etc #eltchat
rliberni 02:36 @sandymillin @janetbianchini  so CBs,WBs TBs  as PD Lol! :-) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:37 @chucksandy Does anyone have the time for the, really? It's lovely idea but..... #eltchat
cerirhiannon 02:37 RT @barbsaka: Ideas? RT @sandymillin: Do you have suggestions for specific activities to adapt CB activities? #eltchat > localise where poss
barbsaka 02:37 @Shaunwilden TBs are like methodology courses now :) #eltchat
SimonGreenall 02:37 @chucksandy  #eltchat  OK, but good writers need good editors.
evab2001 02:37 @OUPELTGlobal I love the Streamline series I learned English with them LOL :) #eltchat
theteacherjames 02:37 RT @OUPELTGlobal: Do publishers provide CBs that make teachers, and teaching better or do they simply pander to T's insecurities? #eltchat
cerirhiannon 02:37 RT @barbsaka: Ideas? RT @sandymillin: Do you have suggestions for specific activities to adapt CB activities? #eltchat
NanaMalikova 02:37 @ddeubel agree, impossible to follow everything they suggest. T needs to filter info #eltchat
janetbianchini 02:37 @OUPELTGlobal #ELTchat That's fantastic!!  Nice to hear that!  It shaped me as a teacher too.  Loved the pictures and dialogues!!
barbsaka 02:37 Ideas? RT @sandymillin: Do you have suggestions for specific activities to adapt CB activities? #eltchat
chucksandy 02:37 isn't it abt time that a group of good teacher /writers got together to create an open source/ creative commons CB online?  #eltchat
naomishema 02:37 #eltchat Some teachers don't have copying machines (copyright?)  Good to have something that all SS have, even if not used the way intended
rliberni 02:38 @LizziePinard  yea, if that's possible - maybe not for everyone #eltchat
janetbianchini 02:38 RT @Shaunwilden: RT @hartle: The resources provided in many T-bks have taught me a lot over the years  #ELTchat Yep me too
cerirhiannon 02:38 @cerirhiannon @barbsaka @sandymillin  #eltchat - localise  = make links with the ss world /hometown/ friends /family thru texts & discussion
barbsaka 02:38 @yitzha_sarwono Way to go, Yitzha! #eltchat
NikkiFortova 02:38 @cerirhiannon lovely idea :-) perhaps reader response codes can be used after the comp ?s to allow learners to react to the text #eltchat
evab2001 02:38 @cerirhiannon @barbsaka @sandymillin if u see sts r interested, find extra . we r surounded with gr8 things #eltchat
theteacherjames 02:38 @sandymillin Activity: Prediction activities based on photos. #eltchat
brad5patterson 02:38 RT @chucksandy: isn't it abt time that a group of good teacher /writers got together to create an open source/ creative commons CB online?  #eltchat
rliberni 02:38 RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat my solution, move to work somewhere where you have a bit more freedom and time to exploit material and depart from cb!
gknightbkk 02:38 @barbsaka I think so. I believe the US/Asian publishing contains less CELTA dogma #eltchat
naomishema 02:38 @chucksandy some of the CB are very high quality - just can't possibly teach it all! #eltchat
commiepinkoscum 02:38 The CB is useful for homework assignments and extended learning.  I prefer to use "authentic materials" when possible though. #eltchat
sandymillin 02:38 #eltchat Sometimes I photocopy a reading text and put around the room (esp. when in clear sections). Then dictate 1 q @ time, SS note ans
LizziePinard 02:38 #eltchat my solution, move to work somewhere where you have a bit more freedom and time to exploit material and depart from cb!
rliberni 02:38 @evab2001 I think u're right sticking to 1 denies us the delights of another -  no perf CB we discover this every time at Unit 3/4 #eltchat
BobK99 02:38 RT w/ tag.../show an interest - point out the good bits, identify pitfalls etc. #eltchat
evab2001 02:38 RT @cerirhiannon: RT @barbsaka: Ideas? RT @sandymillin: Do you have suggestions for specific activities to adapt CB activities? #eltchat > localise where poss
LizziePinard 02:39 RT @naomishema: @chucksandy some of the CB are very high quality - just can't possibly teach it all! #eltchat
sandymillin 02:39 #eltchat When poss avoid teaching lock-step (all at same speed) - let SS work through pages at own speed, you supervise/help wn needed
LizziePinard 02:39 @commiepinkoscum we have to only use CB no time/freedom to use authentic as well... :( #eltchat
cerirhiannon 02:39 @NikkiFortova  yes, totally #eltchat
ddeubel 02:39 @chucksandy - you can edit my Teach | Learn course book #eltchat
rliberni 02:39 RT @chucksandy: RT @SimonGreenall:  OK, but good writers need good editors. > are you volunteering? ^^  Agree completely. I'd be dead w/out editors #eltchat
naomishema 02:39 RT @theteacherjames: @sandymillin Activity: Prediction activities based on photos. #eltchat
chucksandy 02:39 RT @SimonGreenall:  OK, but good writers need good editors. > are you volunteering? ^^  Agree completely. I'd be dead w/out editors #eltchat
rliberni 02:40 Also when you're having a bad day - "let's do the listening ex on page 33" is bliss! #eltchat
ddeubel 02:40 I think that with purchase - all txtbks should be able to be edited by prof. teachers. #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 02:40 RT @sandymillin: #eltchat Sometimes I photocopy a reading text and put around the room (esp. when in clear sections). Then dictate 1 q @ time, SS note ans
LizziePinard 02:40 @rliberni  yah I know... #eltchat
barbsaka 02:40 @SimonGreenall Your Chinese teachers never adapt an activity in the book?  #eltchat
cintiastella 02:40 Idea: adapt the topics to suit our Ss' interests (my dad is 76, he's learning English and his CB tells about teenage pop groups!) #eltchat
cerirhiannon 02:40 #eltchat someone mentioned recently assiging reading texts to ss at beginning of term - their responsibility to intro them when time comes
GapDaemon 02:40 Good pointers! RT: @OUPELTGlobal: 10 Commandments for Motivating Language Learners http://oxford.ly/mtPunw #eltchat #edchat #efl
theteacherjames 02:40 @brad5patterson Tough one, give parts as homework and then later give an answer key? #eltchat
SimonGreenall 02:40 @chucksandy  #eltchat  Haha! Why not? but not really an editor.
janetbianchini 02:40 @evab2001 #ELTchat What's your fave Streamline lesson??  Mine is Daily Routines Unit 33 (If I remember rightly!!)
sandymillin 02:41 @LizziePinard If you're plodding through CB, ex 1, ex 2, ex 3, what's the point too? ;) Gives them some freedom #eltchat
cerirhiannon 02:41 RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat - always ask sts for a personal response to the text / info in the CB - what do YOU think? same here in your country?
gknightbkk 02:41 The less space the activity takes on the page the more support it has in the TM and the more localised it is. But harder to teach #eltchat
Marisa_C 02:41 RT @Shaunwilden: @brad5patterson Explain to sts why covering everything is not necessary, give them answers keys for self-study #eltchat
hartle 02:41 @OUPELTGlobal  yes the 2 guys in prison are great  #ELTchat so what we want is somethng that makes us laugh
Shaunwilden 02:41 @brad5patterson Explain to sts why covering everything is not necessary, give them answers keys for self-study #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:41 RT @cerirhiannon: #eltchat someone mentioned recently assiging reading texts to ss at beginning of term - their responsibility to intro them when time comes
barbsaka 02:41 @SimonGreenall Praise the publishing gods for good editors :) #eltchat
antoniaclare 02:41 #eltchat - always ask sts for a personal response to the text / info in the CB - what do YOU think? same here in your country?
SimonGreenall 02:41 RT @Harmerj: Impossible to take part in courebook #elchat right now but greatly looking forward to sumary> #eltchat
catsndogs 02:41 anyone know of good CBI or task based CBs for younger ones? #eltchat
bcnpaul1 02:41 give sts list of topics / grammar / skills from cb & ask 'em to id interesting / needed & keep going back to it to reaffirm #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:41 @sandymillin if u just supervising and they just plodding thru cb, what is the point of the lesson in the end? #eltchat
chucksandy 02:41 I can say that the publishers I've written for & editors I've worked w/ try to better teaching w/ flexible innovations & mtls #eltchat
NikkiFortova 02:41 RT @rliberni: Also when you're having a bad day - "let's do the listening ex on page 33" is bliss! #eltchat :-) yep
sandymillin 02:41 @barbsaka: @Shaunwilden TBs like methodology courses now #eltchat <not always bad thing. Learnt a lot from mine! &some Ts don't have courses
OUPELTGlobal 02:41 @janetbianchini I love the 2 guys in Prison - going to future #eltchat
barbsaka 02:42 @gknightbkk You could be right. CELTA not very big here. #eltchat
Marisa_C 02:42 Very often it's the parents that need educating abt CB use #ELTchat - but this requirese knowledgeable & strong leadership
hartle 02:42 Use articles to get a response from learners and then adapt the work. lang analysis, development discussion etc.  #ELTchat
LizziePinard 02:42 RT @NikkiFortova: RT @rliberni: Also when you're having a bad day - "let's do the listening ex on page 33" is bliss! #eltchat :-) (true :))
chucksandy 02:42 RT @ddeubel: " you can edit my Teach | Learn course book " It's a nice effort and offer ^^ #eltchat
NikkiFortova 02:42 Perhaps you could have learning circles where Ss are working on different activities and then after 15 mins they change activities. #eltchat
SimonGreenall 02:42 @barbsaka  #eltchat  I can't say, but they're under strict rules to complete the CB, and therefore prepare Ss for exams. MoE requirements.
bcnpaul1 02:42 RT @rliberni: Also when you're having a bad day - "let's do the listening ex on page 33" is bliss! #eltchat > hmmmm :)
barbsaka 02:42 @LizziePinard If you ever get free from your coursebook, watch out world! #eltchat
cerirhiannon 02:42 RT @Shaunwilden: @brad5patterson Explain to sts why covering everything is not necessary, give them answers keys for self-study #eltchat
rliberni 02:42 RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: @brad5patterson Explain to sts why covering everything is not necessary, give them answers keys for self-study #eltchat
cerirhiannon 02:43 @evab2001  thanks Eva! #eltchat
evab2001 02:43 wrote about it last year #eltchat http://evasimkesyan.edublogs.org/2010/10/11/to-use-or-not-to-use-course-books/
sandymillin 02:43 RT @NikkiFortova: RT @rliberni: Also when you're having a bad day - "let's do the listening ex on page 33" is bliss! #eltchat :-) yep <3rded
antoniaclare 02:43 RT @cerirhiannon: #eltchat when working with vocab sets always ask students to extend the set  - e.g. with words they want for their context
LizziePinard 02:43 RT @Shaunwilden: @brad5patterson Explain to sts why covering everything is not necessary, give them answers keys for self-study #eltchat
brad5patterson 02:43 @theteacherjames @shaunwilden @marisa_c #eltchat Maybe it's a matter of doing what you can, and letting the administration know yr position.
theteacherjames 02:43 @CintiaStella That's a great illustration of the problem with many CB's. #eltchat
evab2001 02:43 @cerirhiannon me I guess but original idea was from Ken Wilson he suggested assigning sts 2 choose a reading text 4 reading aaloud #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:43 RT @bcnpaul1: give sts list of topics / grammar / skills from cb & ask 'em to id interesting / needed & keep going back to it to reaffirm #eltchat
cerirhiannon 02:43 #eltchat when working with vocab sets always ask students to extend the set  - e.g. with words they want for their context
Shaunwilden 02:43 @sandymillin @LizziePinard  #eltchat T's need to learn to recognize what ex 1,2,3 do sometimes they are merel… (cont) http://deck.ly/~hATdA
barbsaka 02:44 @sandymillin Oh, I think it's a great thing that TBs have so much methodology built in--for some teachers that's the only training #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 02:44 RT @Marisa_C: Very often it's the parents that need educating abt CB use #ELTchat - but this requirese knowledgeable & strong leadership
cerirhiannon 02:44 RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat Do live listening instead of using the coursebook one? > very nice idea :)
NikkiFortova 02:44 @Shaunwilden exactly, many Ts don't know what the aim of the exericses are! #eltchat
evab2001 02:44 RT @sandymillin: RT @NikkiFortova: RT @rliberni: Also when you're having a bad day - "let's do the listening ex on page 33" is bliss! #eltchat :-) yep <3rded
NoraTouparlaki 02:44 didn't catch up the conversation, cause I'm having a look at new C/Bs, for greek teachers is a must:((#eltchat
cintiastella 02:44 The CB is a guide for T's and Ss but who knows our Ss better and what their actual needs & interests are? We do #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:44 @sandymillin i frequently ask myself about the point too!! ;) #eltchat
antoniaclare 02:44 #eltchat Do live listening instead of using the coursebook one?
bcnpaul1 02:45 RT @cerirhiannon: RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat Do live listening instead of using the coursebook one? > very nice idea :) > yes. always
catsndogs 02:45 have the opposite prob. in team teaching. one likes the CB recipe the other follows the Ss interests. hard to tango at times. #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 02:45 Can a good CB make the teacher a better teacher? sorry had to ask #eltchat
barbsaka 02:45 @catsndogs You can always build a task out of the language in the lesson :) #eltchat
cerirhiannon 02:45 RT @SimonGreenall: @NikkiFortova #eltchat  Then that's a mistake by writers and editors. Objectives of each exercise should be clear, if only in TB.
evab2001 02:45 and sb wrote about if the parent bought the CB ts should use, they r expensive #eltchat :(
LizziePinard 02:45 RT @cerirhiannon: #eltchat when working with vocab sets always ask students to extend the set  - e.g. with words they want for their context
Marisa_C 02:45 @LizziePinard Indeed #eltchat
SimonGreenall 02:45 @NikkiFortova #eltchat  Then that's a mistake by writers and editors. Objectives of each exercise should be clear, if only in TB.
Shaunwilden 02:45 RT @cerirhiannon: RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat Do live listening instead of using the coursebook one? >  or recast the listening in a local/personal context
cerirhiannon 02:45 RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat Do live listening instead of using the coursebook one? >  or recast the listening in a local/personal context
LizziePinard 02:45 @Marisa_C knowledgeable and strong leadership who arent coursebook slaves themselves ;) #eltchat
janetbianchini 02:45 RT @evab2001 wrote about it last year #eltchat http://evasimkesyan.edublogs.org/2010/10/11/to-use-or-not-to-use-course-books/ #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 02:45 RT @cintiastella: The CB is a guide for T's and Ss but who knows our Ss better and what their actual needs & interests are? We do #eltchat
theteacherjames 02:45 RT @evab2001: wrote about it last year #eltchat http://evasimkesyan.edublogs.org/2010/10/11/to-use-or-not-to-use-course-books/
theteacherjames 02:46 @sandymillin Idea: Turn a reading activity into listening, e.g. dictogloss. #eltchat
barbsaka 02:46 @SimonGreenall I think I have a lower standard for what I consider a teacher-created activity :) #eltchat
hartle 02:46 @OUPELTGlobal  I think a gd teacher is a curious teacher and will always learn from a good CB and Methodology bks etc.  #ELTchat
gknightbkk 02:46 I hate writing the T Manual but it's more important than the student book #eltchat
yearinthelifeof 02:46 The coursebook is the scientific element of language teaching. It's up to us to humanize it. #ELTchat
worldteacher 02:46 RT @BobK99: RT @antoniaclare: '#eltchat Do live listening instead of using the coursebook one?' - I use BBC podcasts a lot >Me too!
SimonGreenall 02:46 RT @OUPELTGlobal: Can a good CB make the teacher a better teacher? sorry had to ask #eltchat> Yes, I'm  convinced it can help.
sandymillin 02:46 RT @OUPELTGlobal: Can a good CB make the teacher a better teacher? sorry had to ask #eltchat <sometimes: depends on T & bckgrnd!
Shaunwilden 02:46 @SimonGreenall erm not sure it's a mistake s/ti,mes a class doesn't need to do all 3 exercises  #eltchat
antoniaclare 02:46 #eltchat Sts keep a grammar diary where they write sentences about themselves using the target grammar from cb
BobK99 02:46 RT @antoniaclare: '#eltchat Do live listening instead of using the coursebook one?' - I use BBC podcasts a lot
janetbianchini 02:47 @OUPELTGlobal Not sure about that, but..with dedication and commitment, can definitely help if not naturally a good teacher,maybe? #ELTchat
rliberni 02:47 In summ - gr8 ref books,  gr8 4 consol & hwk, gr8 4 new tchrs,  gr8 4 props oft -lacklustre after Unit 4 but bet with than w'out #eltchat
NikkiFortova 02:47 @SimonGreenall agreed, 'should be' but often aren't . #eltchat
TNGThinx 02:47 RT @esolcourses: RT @hartle: If it's Working u don't need 2 Give it a Label http://wp.me/pUvFH-3J  #tefl #efl #eltchat >> well worth reading
SimonGreenall 02:47 RT @Shaunwilden: @SimonGreenall  s/ti,mes a class doesn't need to do all 3 exercises  #eltchat> Yes, depends on class
chucksandy 02:47 I always ask Ss what projects might be good / fun to do related to CB theme & they come up w/ fab ideas. Better than my own ^^ #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:47 @LizziePinard  You doing the talking instead of a cd for example #eltchat
NoraTouparlaki 02:47 RT @yearinthelifeof: The coursebook is the scientific element of language teaching. It's up to us to humanize it. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 02:47 RT @cerirhiannon: let ss choose which grammar exercises to do - explain what each one for, guide them to do what's useful for them #eltchat
evab2001 02:47 @cerirhiannon @janetbianchini @rliberni got 2 go now and use my CB have a class #eltchat
cerirhiannon 02:47 let ss choose which grammar exercises to do - explain what each one for, guide them to do what's useful for them #eltchat
antoniaclare 02:47 RT @BobK99: RT @antoniaclare: '#eltchat Do live listening instead of using the coursebook one?' - I use BBC podcasts a lot >good idea
Marisa_C 02:47 RT @theteacherjames: @sandymillin Idea: Turn a reading activity into listening, e.g. dictogloss. #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:47 #eltchat .live listening is what sorry?
sandymillin 02:48 RT @LizziePinard: @chucksandy  let the ss come up with ways to fun it up! why didt i think of that, love it! #eltchat
janetbianchini 02:48 RT @yearinthelifeof  The coursebook is the scientific element of language teaching. It's up to us to humanize it. #ELTchat - gr8t quote
Shaunwilden 02:48 RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat sorry what is dictogloss? - http://bit.ly/dVwx7g if you google you'll get lots of tips #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:48 @chucksandy  let the ss come up with ways to fun it up! why didt i think of that, love it! #eltchat
cerirhiannon 02:48 sorry, got to go an pick up the kids!!  happy chatting #eltchat
barbsaka 02:48 @OUPELTGlobal Maybe not, but it can make the bad teacher suck less :) #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:48 RT @chucksandy: I always ask Ss what projects might be good / fun to do related to CB theme & they come up w/ fab ideas. Better than my own ^^ #eltchat
rliberni 02:48 @evab2001 have fun lol #eltchat
Marisa_C 02:48 @cerirhiannon  Good idea - use CB  activs for mixed level teaching  #eltchat
chucksandy 02:48 RT @NoraTouparlaki: RT @yearinthelifeof: The coursebook's the scientific element of language teaching. Its up to us to humanize it. #eltchat
cerirhiannon 02:48 RT @theteacherjames: @sandymillin reading activity into listening, e.g. dictogloss.#eltchat >or use a snippet as a dictogloss after the fact
LizziePinard 02:48 #eltchat sorry what is dictogloss?
brad5patterson 02:48 Personalization! RT @antoniaclare #eltchat Sts keep grammar diary where they write sentences about themselves using target grammar from CB
barbsaka 02:49 @gknightbkk Agree. TM is a great reality check for writers--does it actually work. #eltchat
chucksandy 02:49 I teach two dogme style classes CB free. It's great fun but A LOT of work really, esp on low energy days. <truth be told> #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 02:49 RT @OUPELTGlobal Can a good CB make the teacher a better teacher?sorry had to ask #eltchat >>by knowledge maybe,but might be a bit robotic
rliberni 02:49 Have to love you and leave you all - gr8 discussion. Fab mods as ever @barbsaka @Shaunwilden & @Marisa_C  all CB free! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:49 @bethcagnol Hi Beth #eltchat
worldteacher 02:49 #eltchat need to keep sts moving even if you have to use a cb - running dictations, diff groupings for diff activities, presentations, etc
LizziePinard 02:49 RT @bcnpaul1: RT @cerirhiannon: let ss choose which grammar exercises to do - explain what each one for, guide them to do what's useful for them #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:49 RT @bcnpaul1: RT @cerirhiannon: let ss choose which grammar exercises to do - explain what each one for, guide them to do what's useful for them #eltchat
bcnpaul1 02:49 RT @cerirhiannon: let ss choose which grammar exercises to do - explain what each one for, guide them to do what's useful for them #eltchat
janetbianchini 02:49 @evab2001 Have a great time in class and enjoy the CB!! #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 02:49 @barbsaka LOL #eltchat
BethCagnol 02:49 #eltchat OMG! I've been given a gift! A break until my next oral exam with a student! 10 precious minutes left with my PLN buddies!
NikkiFortova 02:49 RT @LizziePinard: @chucksandy  let the ss come up with ways to fun it up! why didt i think of that, love it! #eltchat
brad5patterson 02:49 RT @chucksandy: RT @NoraTouparlaki: RT @yearinthelifeof: The coursebook's the scientific element of language teaching. Its up to us to humanize it. #eltchat
barbsaka 02:49 @catsndogs You could get dizzy with that tango :) #eltchat
hartle 02:49 RT @antoniaclare: RT @BobK99: RT @antoniaclare: '#eltchat Do live listening instead of using the coursebook on… (cont) http://deck.ly/~CQWqW
OUPELTGlobal 02:50 RT @Marisa_C: I think the excessive amount of material that needs to 'be got through' chews into T creativity #ELTchat #eltchat
cintiastella 02:50 RT @OUPELTGlobal: I have always let my sts interact with the book, decide if they like the text or topic - first step to autonomy and involvement #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:50 RT @Marisa_C: I think the excessive amount of material that needs to 'be got through' chews into T creativity #ELTchat  YESx1000!
Shaunwilden 02:50 RT @OUPELTGlobal: I have always let my sts interact with the book, decide if they like the text or topic - first step to autonomy and involvement #eltchat
BethCagnol 02:50 @Shaunwilden Hiya! #ELTChat
Marisa_C 02:50 I think the excessive amount of material that needs to 'be got through' chews into T creativity #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 02:50 I have always let my sts interact with the book, decide if they like the text or topic - first step to autonomy and involvement #eltchat
cerirhiannon 02:51 agh, got sucked in again! really off now - great convo - bye #eltchat
chucksandy 02:51 RT @BethCagnol: RT @Marisa_C: I think the excessive amount of material that needs to be got through chews into T creativity >true #eltchat
BethCagnol 02:51 @SimonGreenall Salut! #ELTChat
LizziePinard 02:51 #eltchat I have to run in a couple of mins but please can i do the summary for this discussion ?
Shaunwilden 02:51 @Marisa_C  but then again not all teachers want to be creative :-( #eltchat
brad5patterson 02:51 @chucksandy would love to be a "fly on your dogme classes's wall" #eltchat
janetbianchini 02:51 RT @worldteacher #eltchat need to keep sts moving even if you have to use a cb - running dictations,diff groupings 4 diff activities, presos
cerirhiannon 02:51 RT @OUPELTGlobal:  let sts interact with book, decide if they like the text  ... #eltchat > asking why they don't like can be v generative
gknightbkk 02:51 @barbsaka I actually learned a lot of new activities and approaches from the Interchange TM - there I said it #eltchat
barbsaka 02:51 @rliberni kisses! #eltchat
BethCagnol 02:51 RT @Marisa_C: I think the excessive amount of material that needs to 'be got through' chews into T creativity #ELTchat
SimonGreenall 02:51 @bethcagnol  #eltchat  Hi Beth
BethCagnol 02:52 #eltchat when are they going to make coursebooks like those "choose Ur fate" books. Depending on what U do, U could go in another direction.
Shaunwilden 02:52 @Marisa_C Hmm again i disagree #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 02:52 @chucksandy But a good CB can free teacher to focus on sts and their needs - applying the CB to them, no? #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:52 @Shaunwilden Ace! :-D will look through the transcript first and then try to do it all justice!! #eltchat
chucksandy 02:52 RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden Creativity is fostered by the microclimate of an institution - not always self-generated > nice #eltchat
barbsaka 02:52 Yay! RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat I have to run in a couple of mins but please can i do the summary for this discussion ?
janetbianchini 02:52 @bethcagnol Hi Beth - nice to see you! #ELTchat
NikkiFortova 02:52 RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C  but then again not all teachers want to be creative :-(   #eltchat > or have time
chucksandy 02:52 RT @brad5patterson: " would love to be a "fly on your dogme classess wall" >maybe we can skype u in one of these days ^^ #eltchat
Marisa_C 02:52 @Shaunwilden Creativity is fostered by the microclimate of an institution - not always self-generated  #eltchat
odiep77 02:52 RT @cybraryman1: Early in my teaching career I saw the necessity to write my own material. My Curriculum Writing page: http://tinyurl.com/4njb32e #eltchat
barbsaka 02:52 @gknightbkk I hated TMs until I actually wrote one. Then I was amazed at everything there :) #eltchat
antoniaclare 02:52 #eltchat great chat - thanks all, must run
Shaunwilden 02:52 @LizziePinard with pleasure thank you for volunteering #eltchat
bcnpaul1 02:52 RT @Marisa_C: I think the excessive amount of material that needs to 'be got through' chews into T creativity #ELTchat  >agree
BethCagnol 02:53 RT @barbsaka: @gknightbkk I hated TMs until I actually wrote one. Then I was amazed at everything there :) #eltchat
hartle 02:53 @fionamau  Coursebooks and how to survive them :-)  #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 02:53 @BethCagnol interesting idea #eltchat
bcnpaul1 02:53 @fionamau the topic is arriving late for #eltchat :)
BobK99 02:53 @bethcagnol Hi Beth - better late than never ;-) #eltchat
catsndogs 02:53 The guys at WorldClub wrote a very thoughtful TM. Covered the bases I felt.#eltchat
Marisa_C 02:53 @Shaunwilden why? care to explain? #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:53 @OUPELTGlobal well yes if there is TIME think major problem is the element of time of course length vs size of coursebook! #eltchat
TNGThinx 02:53 10 Commandments for Motivating Language Learners http://oxford.ly/mtPunw #eltchat #edchat #efl via @rliberni
hartle 02:53 @Marisa_C  sometimes the microclimate of an institution stifles too then you need to break out into personal creativity  #ELTchat
BethCagnol 02:53 RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C  but then again not all teachers want to be creative :-( #eltchat
fionamau 02:53 #eltchat completely forgot today's wednesday... what's the topic? better late than never.........
BethCagnol 02:54 @chucksandy @brad5patterson OOOoo!! Me too! I wanna be a dogme fly too! #ELTChat
hartle 02:54 RT @fionamau: @bethcagnol #eltchat the new digital materials/blended courses r supposed to be set up to offer that 'choose yr fate' option... we'll see
NikkiFortova 02:54 RT @TNGThinx: 10 Commandments for Motivating Language Learners http://oxford.ly/mtPunw #eltchat #edchat #efl via @rliberni
barbsaka 02:54 One more resource for adapting coursebooks--publisher websites! Tons of extra activities and games for free :) #eltchat
LizziePinard 02:54 ok i have to go all, going to be late if i dont! thanks so much for this talk, been great!!!! love you all!!! #eltchat
fionamau 02:54 @bethcagnol #eltchat the new digital materials/blended courses r supposed to be set up to offer that 'choose yr fate' option... we'll see
worldteacher 02:54 @LizziePinard will look forward to reading it! #eltchat
brad5patterson 02:54 @chucksandy now you're talking--- could share a bit abt Paris and teaching internationally. + alrdy know 2 of yr SS from twitter #eltchat
gknightbkk 02:55 but ries to give opportunity for creative Ts to localise the content and extend the activities #eltchat
chucksandy 02:55 RT @BethCagnol: @chucksandy @brad5patterson OOOoo!! We'll have a room full of dogme flies ^^ let's talk abt collaborating sometime #eltchat
SimonGreenall 02:55 RT @gknightbkk: The coursebook aims for the lowest common denominator - the lazy or uncreative T #eltchat> Disagree!
Shaunwilden 02:55 @gknightbkk: The coursebook aims for the lowest common denominator - the lazy or uncreative T #eltchat Completely disagree
Marisa_C 02:55 RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C #ELTchat I think some tchrs genuinely dont want to be that creative no matter th… (cont) http://deck.ly/~Zjfnb
fionamau 02:55 RT @hartle: @fionamau  Coursebooks and how to survive them :-)  #ELTchat >> using them or writing them? ;-)
theteacherjames 02:55 @LizziePinard Dictogloss: http://bit.ly/lvRxTa #eltchat
janetbianchini 02:55 I still think that a good CB is worth its weight in gold - less hassle, more ideas to adapt/ personalise -depends on the CB - crux! #ELTchat
BobK99 02:55 Pasty calls! TM for great #eltchat
hartle 02:55 @barbsaka  yes publisher websites are good like good dictionary sites  #ELTchat
BethCagnol 02:55 @janetbianchini Hiya! #ELTChat
sandymillin 02:55 RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C #eltchat I think some tchrs genuinely dont want to be that creative no matter... (cont) http://deck.ly/~1vPFE
tokyokevin 02:55 Friend used to say the best benefit of ELT MA program was not having to use a teacher manual. I tend to use them more #eltchat
gknightbkk 02:55 The coursebook aims for the lowest common denominator - the lazy or uncreative T #eltchat
chucksandy 02:55 RT @BethCagnol: "Depending on what U do, U could go in another direction." Like life itself ^^ #eltchat
brad5patterson 02:55 @bethcagnol they'll make those "choose ur fate" books when they figure out how to monetize it... LOL  :)  #eltchat
Marisa_C 02:55 RT @barbsaka: One more resource for adapting coursebooks--publisher websites! Tons of extra activities and games for free :) #eltchat
Marisa_C 02:56 @Shaunwilden Sure thing. Agree. But there are many who would be more creative too if they were in the right environment #ELTchat
janetbianchini 02:56 RT @bethcagnol @chucksandy @brad5patterson OOOoo!! Me too! I wanna be a dogme fly too! #ELTChat + add me too!
chucksandy 02:56 RT @janetbianchini I still think a good CB worth its weight in gold-less hassle, more ideas to adapt/ personalise-depends on the CB #eltchat
Shaunwilden 02:56 RT @barbsaka: @gknightbkk I know experienced teachers who prefer coursebook so they don't have to waste creative time on recreating basics #eltchat
barbsaka 02:56 @gknightbkk I know experienced teachers who prefer coursebook so they don't have to waste creative time on recreating basics #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 02:56 RT @gknightbkk: The coursebook aims for the lowest common denominator - the lazy or uncreative T #eltchat Is this true? Hope not
hartle 02:57 RT @brad5patterson: @chucksandy @BethCagnol   BZZZ   BZZZZ  #eltchat   who else wants to be a dogme flly in Chuck's c-room ?  :) Me too
Shaunwilden 02:57 @Marisa_C Yes agreed, my point is that it works both ways,  my old school fostered creativity but didn't insist upon it for example #eltchat
Marisa_C 02:57 RT @brad5patterson: @chucksandy @BethCagnol   BZZZ   BZZZZ  #eltchat   who else wants to be a dogme flly in Chuck's c-room ?  :) - Moi!
NikkiFortova 02:57 RT @chucksandy: RT @janetbianchini I still think a good CB worth its weight in gold-less hassle, more ideas to adapt/ personalise-depends on the CB #eltchat
brad5patterson 02:57 @chucksandy @BethCagnol   BZZZ   BZZZZ  #eltchat   who else wants to be a dogme flly in Chuck's c-room ?  :)
barbsaka 02:57 RT @janetbianchini: good CB is worth its weight in gold - less hassle, more ideas to adapt/ personalise -depends on the CB - crux! #ELTchat
cintiastella 02:58 @brad5patterson @chucksandy @BethCagnol I'd love to be a fly in Chuck's room too but must get some teaching experience first :) #eltchat
brad5patterson 02:58 @Marisa_C @chucksandy @BethCagnol @hartle looks like you just got busier than having a 8lb CB, Chuck !  BZZZ BZZZ  #eltchat
sandymillin 02:58 @SimonGreenall Think you might be preaching to the converted here #eltchat
chucksandy 02:58 @Marisa_C: RT @brad5patterson @BethCagnol Better yet, let's think abt how we cld all work together on something good & fun ^^ #eltchat
BethCagnol 02:58 @chucksandy @brad5patterson Totally!! #ELTChat
SimonGreenall 02:58 #eltchat  Teachers don't have to buy CBs . But DoS may do, also h/teachers and parents. Investment in TT is always better than hardware.
janetbianchini 02:58 RT @gknightbkk: The coursebook aims for the lowest common denominator - the lazy or uncreative T #eltchat Totally disagree!
bcnpaul1 02:58 RT @barbsaka: I know experienced teachers who prefer coursebook so they don't have to waste creative time on recreating basics #eltchat
SimonGreenall 02:59 RT @Shaunwilden: RT @hartle: So maybe DOSs should invest more in training teachers how to use CBs effectively  #ELTchat Agreed> Oh yes.
hartle 02:59 RT @OUPELTGlobal: A good CB is like a good map, only useful if you know how to use it well #eltchat yes
janetbianchini 02:59 @hartle @brad5patterson: @chucksandy @BethCagnol BZZZ BZZZZ #eltchat who else wants to be a dogme flly in Chuck's c-room ? :) Me too Yes,!
Marisa_C 02:59 RT @OUPELTGlobal: A good CB is like a good map, only useful if you know how to use it well #eltchat
sandymillin 02:59 @brad5patterson 8lb coursebook reminds me> the thing I hate is the weight of carrying everything around! #eltchat
bcnpaul1 02:59 sorry but i have to go. thanks to moderators for a joyous #eltchat :)
Shaunwilden 02:59 RT @hartle: @SimonGreenall  So maybe DOSs should invest more in training teachers how to use CBs effectively  #ELTchat Agreed
OUPELTGlobal 02:59 A good CB is like a good map, only useful if you know how to use it well #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 02:59 @brad5patterson @chucksandy @BethCagnol BZZZ BZZZZ #eltchat who else wants to be a dogme flly in Chuck's c-room ? :) >>count me in!
Marisa_C 02:59 RT @hartle: @SimonGreenall  So maybe DOSs should invest more in training teachers how to use CBs effectively  #ELTchat
hartle 02:59 @SimonGreenall  So maybe DOSs should invest more in training teachers how to use CBs effectively  #ELTchat
brad5patterson 02:59 RT @chucksandy: RT @janetbianchini I still think a good CB worth its weight in gold-less hassle, more ideas to adapt/ personalise-depends on the CB #eltchat
chucksandy 02:59 with @hartle too of course ^^ Bzzz Bzzz #eltchat
brad5patterson 03:00 @sandymillin ditto (8lb CB)... good lord I played sports when I was younger.  LOL #eltchat
hartle 03:00 Have to go now..exams looming :-( Nice chat thanks to all of you looking forward to reading summary  #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 03:00 Has an hour passed already?! As usual, loved the discussion. Thanks to the moderators #eltchat
gknightbkk 03:00 school admin wants the course 'idiot proof'. The coursebook has to work in the hands of a weak teacher. #eltchat
tiavi3 03:00 RT @OUPELTGlobal: I've always thought of a coursebook as a map, the route I decide with my sts, as well as the pace #eltchat
chucksandy 03:00 RT @cintiastella:  Id love to be a fly in Chucks room but must get some teaching experience first:) >No, it's fun learning together #eltchat
BethCagnol 03:00 @OUPELTGlobal Choose your fate with CB would be possible, but perhaps easier in electronic form. #ELTChat
cintiastella 03:00 RT @OUPELTGlobal
barbsaka 03:00 So @chucksandy needs to record and share his dogme-style course :-) #eltchat
NikkiFortova 03:00 @sandymillin that's a good point! #eltchat
brad5patterson 03:00 @CintiaStella @chucksandy @BethCagnol i think becoming a chuck dogme fly might be a great experience, Cintia !  :)  #eltchat
Marisa_C 03:00 @bcnpaul1 Cheers Paul see you soon :-)  #eltchat
barbsaka 03:01 @chucksandy Naw, it would be like one of those concert videos, just following the rock stars wherever they go :) #eltchat
juanalejandro26 03:01 RT @janetbianchini: RT @OUPELTGlobal A good CB is like a good map, only useful if you know how to use it well #eltchat - very true indeed!
barbsaka 03:01 Can't believe it has been an hour. Got a conference call with my lovely co-authors. Thanks for a great #eltchat!
BethCagnol 03:01 #eltchat Weep! Must get back to oral examining. No not at the dentist... #ELTChat
chucksandy 03:01 RT @barbsaka: But then it wouldn't be dogme-style anymore. Just another recorded class ^^  #eltchat
Marisa_C 03:01 @hartle Bye and see you soon :-)  #ELTchat
janetbianchini 03:01 RT @OUPELTGlobal A good CB is like a good map, only useful if you know how to use it well #eltchat - very true indeed!
BobK99 03:02 @sandymillin At my TP, there was a T who had a little trolley that she trailed everywhere - OK, as building was wh/chair-friendly! #eltchat
chucksandy 03:02 Thanks all! Gotta run too but had fun & looking forward to collaborating w/ the new flies. Count me as one & let's do something ^^ #eltchat
sandymillin 03:02 @Marisa_C Summary writer is @LizziePinard - she volunteered a few minutes ago :) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 03:02 The 9pm chat is on 'How to be a good online teacher? '  #eltchat
Marisa_C 03:02 @bethcagnol  #eltchat  Thanks to all for a greeeeaaat chat! Summary anyone? I seem to remember some rainchecks! :-)
yitzha_sarwono 03:02 woah 7pm already? #eltchat sure has got the traffic jam here feels like a smooth ride! Thanks @Shaunwilden @barbsaka @Marisa_C @rliberni
worldteacher 03:02 #eltchat Thanks to the mods & all the participants for another great chat!!
OUPELTGlobal 03:02 Thanks every1. I think I can relax a bit now - LOL #eltchat
cintiastella 03:02 Thank you everyone! It's definitely worth getting up http://twitter.com/#early to participate in #eltchat
Marisa_C 03:03 @worldteacher  #eltchat  Lovely!!!!!! Thanks!
sandymillin 03:03 @BobK99 Have 2 admit 2 having illegally downloaded copies of books, as then I have them all on computer w/ no extra weight :s #eltchat
yitzha_sarwono 03:03 RT @OUPELTGlobal: A good CB is like a good map, only useful if you know how to use it well #eltchat
rliberni 03:03 RT @Shaunwilden: The 9pm chat is on 'How to be a good online teacher? '  #eltchat
SimonGreenall 03:03 #eltchat  Thanks to moderators, glad to have time to join in. hey  @Marisa_C wot news? Big hug.
janetbianchini 03:03 Can't believe an hour's flown past.  Thank you to a fab #ELTchat The "buzzz" was absolutely great and has energised me here in Abruzzo.
Marisa_C 03:04 @SimonGreenall Thanks for joining - hugs back :-)  #eltchat
brad5patterson 03:04 Thanks for the great #eltchat all !  And a big thanks to the moderators.  :)
chakoeng 03:04 RT @OUPELTGlobal: A good CB is like a good map, only useful if you know how to use it well #eltchat
cintiastella 03:05 Have a great day everyone! I've learned tons today.Thank you! Thank you! #eltchat
Marisa_C 03:05 @janetbianchini Hya - thanks for joining!  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 03:05 @worldteacher @Shaunwilden Getting transcript pronto! #ELTchat
janetbianchini 03:05 Thanks to all moderators and all!  Would love to attend tonight's chat but depends on time factors.  Ciao, ciao!! #ELTchat
sandymillin 03:05 What would you do w/ Humpty Dumpty? http://wp.me/p1sbtu-1q #infiniteeltideas #eltchat #efl #elt #esol #esl #tesol #tefl
naomishema 03:06 #eltchat - thanks all!
theteacherjames 03:06 @OUPELTGlobal Put your feet up, you've earned it! Really enjoyed your contributions. #Eltchat
Marisa_C 03:06 Thanks to @Shaunwilden and @barbsaka for great moderation - #ELTchat

 

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