| barbsaka |
02:00 |
Happy to be back tonight for #eltchat after 3 weeks away! |
| janetbianchini |
02:00 |
@yearinthelifeof I have a liking for Headway Pre -int!! #eltchat It's solidly based. |
| barbsaka |
02:01 |
@janetbianchini That's the second chat #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:01 |
#eltchat What's full title of this chat? What happened to online learning topic? |
| barbsaka |
02:01 |
Ready to go? @@LizziePinard What's an EF special? #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:01 |
#eltchat I would gladly use any books apart from EF specials...Cutting Edge is pretty good, used that in my training |
| hartle |
02:01 |
HI everyone #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:02 |
@hartle Hi Sharon and all - nice to see you here! #eltchat |
| naomishema |
02:02 |
#eltchat Hello! just got back from school! What's the topic? |
| barbsaka |
02:02 |
plus suggestions and advice for teachers stuck in a very regimented teaching situation who want to avoid becoming coursebook drones #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02:02 |
Hello everyone! looking forward to today's topic, subjectively speaking #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:02 |
Hello everyone and welcolme to #ELTchat - ready to talk how to avoid death by coursebook? |
| janetbianchini |
02:02 |
@barbsaka HI Barbara - welcome back - hope you are keeping fine! #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:03 |
especially when cb is thick and the course is quite short, so no time... #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
02:03 |
We have a strict syllabus at our school (esp. cos we share classes), but are encouraged to adapt as much as possible. #eltchat |
| hartle |
02:03 |
Unfortunately I do #ELTchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:03 |
@barbsaka Thanks for explaining! #eltchat This topic is a good one, as well :) |
| BobK99 |
02:03 |
In at the beginning for once! #eltchat |
| bcnpaul1 |
02:03 |
we're supposed to use c'bks in my school but no-one says how so I use them as a doorstop :) #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:03 |
So, how many of you use a coursebook? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:03 |
@naomishema How to use a coursebook when you have to use a coursebook #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
02:03 |
RT @barbsaka: plus suggestions and advice for teachers stuck in a very regimented teaching situation who want to avoid becoming coursebook drones #eltchat |
| hartle |
02:03 |
@janetbianchini yes I wanted online learning but we probably won't get it today #eltchat |
| yearinthelifeof |
02:03 |
@janetbianchini Very solid, good for clobbering to death #ELTchat |
| worldteacher |
02:04 |
@LizziePinard I like Cutting Edge, too! Current school uses English File - not a bad text, but need to adapt, add, etc. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:04 |
@gknightbkk No I'm going to sit on anyone who mentions it ;-) #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:04 |
book so dense no time for anything else!! wish there was time to do other things! #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:04 |
@yearinthelifeof I disagree most vividly re "Very solid, good for clobbering to death" #ELTchat |
| janebarden |
02:04 |
#eltchat @janetbianchini all teachers on a 15 min break and then we will join the scary world of eltchat. They all seem keen. |
| brad5patterson |
02:04 |
First #eltchat in a good month ! Glad to be back :) multi-taksing but here Hi @naomishema ! |
| NikkiFortova |
02:04 |
Every course I teach requires us to use a coursebook #eltchat |
| gknightbkk |
02:04 |
Is this topic going to encourage the Dogmes? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
02:04 |
RT @Marisa_C: Today's moderators are @barbasaka @Shaunwilden and @Marisa_C Please let us know if you need help #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
02:04 |
@OUPELTGlobal #eltchat You realise some of us will be particularly interested in what you say on this subject... ;-) |
| hartle |
02:04 |
I'm using Inside Out Upper Int. with uni students #ELTchat |
| sedayyildirim |
02:04 |
following #eltchat in class with my terrible coursebook in my hand ! |
| LizziePinard |
02:04 |
we are encouraged to stick to the book and not do owt else! #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
02:04 |
Our syllabi are generally on basis of one double-page per 90 minute session #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:04 |
@barbsaka I do, well did as I dont teach f2f at moment #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:04 |
Today's moderators are @barbasaka @Shaunwilden and @Marisa_C Please let us know if you need help #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:05 |
@janebarden we are keen but nice :-) do join us!!!! #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:05 |
Our EF school uses EF's new Real English, which would be ok if the course were longer...#eltchat |
| greenesl |
02:05 |
No coursebooks for the grade ones I work with so maybe #eltchat not for me tonight... |
| hartle |
02:05 |
@worldteacher yes I like Cutting Edge too but more to dip into than as a set CB #ELTchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02:05 |
@theteacherjames I'm ready, bracing myself - lol #eltchat |
| NikkiFortova |
02:06 |
@gknightbkk maybe they think learners expect them #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:06 |
what can you do if time is very tight, cb very dense and you dont want to be a cb drone? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:06 |
RT @gknightbkk: Why do schools prescribe a coursebook? Is it quality assurance, standardisation across classes/teachers, what? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:06 |
RT @harrisonmike: Is #ELTchat about adapting coursebooks to needs? I would say so |
| barbsaka |
02:06 |
@harrisonmike Yes :-) #ELTchat |
| gknightbkk |
02:06 |
Why do schools prescribe a coursebook? Is it quality assurance, standardisation across classes/teachers, what? #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:06 |
one double page? try 3.... :-( #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
02:06 |
Is #ELTchat about adapting coursebooks to needs? |
| Shaunwilden |
02:06 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @OUPELTGlobal You must be the best placed to tell us how to avoid death by cbk? ;-) #eltchat |
| hartle |
02:06 |
Has anyone used the new Global CB The idea of the CD workbook looks really gd to me #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
02:06 |
#eltchat I try to do at least one 'books closed' part of every lesson. e.g. brainstorming vocab b4 they see in book/eliciting exmpl sentence |
| worldteacher |
02:06 |
RT @sandymillin: Our syllabi are generally on basis of one double-page per 90 minute session #eltchat Ours too! Are our directors related?! |
| naomishema |
02:07 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @LizziePinard Using a cbk doesnt mean doing absolutely everything it, does it? #eltchat I second that! |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02:07 |
@Shaunwilden to me it seems that blaming the course for bad teaching is like blaming a map for getting lost. #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:07 |
we are supposed to do as much as humanly possible! #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
02:07 |
@gknightbkk Unleash the Dogmes!! #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
02:07 |
RT @gknightbkk: Why do schools prescribe a coursebook? Is it quality assurance, standardisation across classes/teachers, what? #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
02:07 |
RT @barbsaka: Ideas? RT @LizziePinard: what can you do if time is very tight, cb very dense and you dont want to be a cb drone? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:07 |
RT @LizziePinard: what can you do if time is very tight, cb very dense and you dont want to be a cb drone? #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:07 |
@janebarden #eltchat Agree with Marisa_C we are keen but nice :-) do join us!!!! It'll be fun to meet your teachers! |
| cintiastella |
02:07 |
Good morning everybody! Still little working experience but I hope I can add my two cents #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:07 |
@LizziePinard Using a cbk doesnt mean doing absolutely everything it, does it? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
02:07 |
@LizziePinard think u have to prioritise. What do your students really need to do in those pages? If they don't need vocab, skip it #eltchat |
| emmy__c |
02:07 |
@hartle I use Global Pre Int. The CD workbook is useful especially for sts to self-study #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:07 |
So I get the feeling that you don't like very long units that drag on forever... #ELTchat :-) |
| hartle |
02:07 |
RT @gknightbkk: Why do schools prescribe a coursebook? I think it's because ss expect one, often and so do teachers #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
02:07 |
@LizziePinard #eltchat - key for me is to be selective - don't do every exercise - then you can supplement with more relevant material |
| LizziePinard |
02:07 |
oh and powers that be v strict that you use it and don't stray!! #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:07 |
Ideas? RT @LizziePinard: what can you do if time is very tight, cb very dense and you dont want to be a cb drone? #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:08 |
RT @hartle: RT @gknightbkk: Why do schools prescribe a coursebook? I think it's because ss expect one, often and so do teachers #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
02:08 |
@LizziePinard 3 double pages? Way too much!! Are they strict about that? #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:08 |
Good point RT @hartle: I find CBs very useful as a springboard to discussion and learner centred work but not to be used slavishly #ELTchat |
| emmy__c |
02:08 |
RT @sandymillin: @LizziePinard think u have to prioritise. What do your students really need to do in those pages? If they don't need vocab, skip it #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:08 |
RT @naomishema: RT @Shaunwilden: @LizziePinard Using a cbk doesnt mean doing absolutely everything it, does it? #eltchat I second that! |
| Shaunwilden |
02:08 |
RT @SimonGreenall: @Shaunwilden Certainly not - you don't have to use everything in a CB. Oh, BTW, hi everyone! #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:08 |
#eltchat and EF want that cos students forced to buy the book (That they made), all about money |
| janetbianchini |
02:08 |
RT @LizziePinard: what can you do if time is very tight, cb very dense and you dont want to be a cb drone? #eltchat |
| bcnpaul1 |
02:08 |
schools expect it cause it's always been that way, but t's shd be encouraged to try without & see what works best for them & sts #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:08 |
@LizziePinard Are you REQUIRED to do everything in your coursebook - or else u might lose ur job ? #eltchat |
| hartle |
02:08 |
I find CBs very useful as a springboard to discussion and learner centred work but not to be used slavishly #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:08 |
@CintiaStella Please join in am sure you have some useful things to add :-) #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:08 |
@LizziePinard Try teaching the content with books closed--cover same ground but can do it in fun way. Open books after for review #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
02:08 |
RT @sandymillin: @LizziePinard think u have to prioritise. What do your students really need to do in those pages? If they don't need vocab, skip it #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
02:08 |
@LizziePinard I also give SS some of the CB pages for homework, and some in class. Tell them it's their responsibility to do @ home #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
02:09 |
@theteacherjames Think topic is more about being in situations where you are forced to use CB and materials light not an option #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:09 |
RT @Marisa_C: @BrunoELT Death by doing everything in the coursebook #eltchat exactly!!! enforced death!! |
| barbsaka |
02:09 |
Yes! RT @hartle: CB can't cater for specific groups so they are generic but U can adapt the ideas and tasks to yr context #ELTchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:09 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: @Shaunwilden to me it seems that blaming the course for bad teaching is like blaming a map for getting lost. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:09 |
@BrunoELT Death by doing everything in the coursebook #eltchat |
| hartle |
02:09 |
CB can't cater for specific groups so they are generic but U can adapt the ideas and tasks to yr context #ELTchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:09 |
well its the only way to complete the required units in the required time frame #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
02:09 |
@Shaunwilden @gknightbkk #eltchat Am I allowed to talk about a materials light, conversation based approach, or will I be smothered? |
| cerirhiannon |
02:09 |
RT @barbsaka: Good point RT @hartle: I find CBs very useful as a springboard to discussion and learner centred work but not to be used slavishly #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
02:10 |
#eltchat You can take the grammar points / vocab from those pages & teach it in a more personalised way - could be v. time consuming tho! |
| LizziePinard |
02:10 |
yes, you can!! #eltchat |
| rliberni |
02:10 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: @sandymillin Can you really be forced to use a CB? Have never really been in that situation #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
02:10 |
@sandymillin @Shaunwilden I know, just kidding... :-) #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:10 |
#eltchat You have to be selective, and plan to adapt anything that is a bit boring - personalise, get the students to give their opinions |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02:10 |
@sandymillin Can you really be forced to use a CB? Have never really been in that situation #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:10 |
RT @chucksandy: I always tell Ts that CBs (including the ones I write) are really just a template/recipe book from which to build. #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:10 |
RT @chucksandy: I always tell Ts that CBs (including mine) are really just a template / recipe book from which to build. #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
02:10 |
RT @chucksandy: I always tell Ts that CBs (including the ones I write) are really just a template / recipe book from which to build. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:10 |
@theteacherjames Course you can, we just need to make sure that there is no option but to use the cbk in this chat #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
02:10 |
I always tell Ts that CBs (including the ones I write) are really just a template / recipe book from which to build. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:11 |
RT @bcnpaul1: c'bks are a gr8 framework for t's but there needs to be investigation & negotiation 4 unecessary stuff to disappear #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
02:11 |
RT @bcnpaul1: c'bks are a gr8 framework for t's but there needs to be investigation & negotiation that allows the unecessary stuff to disappear #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:11 |
#eltchat No tweets are coming in - seems to be stuck! |
| sandymillin |
02:11 |
@OUPELTGlobal Maybe 'forced' too strong a word, 'strongly encouraged' #eltchat Altho in some situations (not mine) might be essntial 4 boss! |
| BobK99 |
02:11 |
@sandymillin ' Tell them it's their responsibility to do @ home #eltchat'. Hollow laugh - but that's a whole nother discussion. |
| bcnpaul1 |
02:11 |
c'bks are a gr8 framework for t's but there needs to be investigation & negotiation that allows the unecessary stuff to disappear #eltchat |
| rliberni |
02:11 |
RT @chucksandy: Good cooks know what can be left out of, put into a recipe, or added as a side dish. Good Ts using CBs know the same thing. #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:11 |
if i suggest about doing that, superior just says, no, better stick to the book more closely #eltchat |
| catsndogs |
02:11 |
#eltchat no coursebook but creating as we go along. takes time. |
| naomishema |
02:11 |
#eltchat I often use texts / exercises in a CB not in the way they were intended - like marking nouns & verbs, eye- catchers, etc. |
| chucksandy |
02:11 |
Good cooks know what can be left out of, put into a recipe, or added as a side dish. Good Ts using CBs know the same thing. #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:11 |
@OUPELTGlobal Yes, you CAN be forced to use a coursebook. And not often one of your choice :) #eltchat |
| hartle |
02:11 |
@OUPELTGlobal @Marisa_C Absolutely . I really agree with the recipe idea :-) #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:11 |
@OUPELTGlobal Oh gosh so many school force sts to use a book #eltchat |
| rliberni |
02:11 |
RT @janetbianchini: #eltchat You have to be selective, and plan to adapt anything that is a bit boring - personalise, get the students to give their opinions |
| emmy__c |
02:11 |
I think the key is to adapt CB material to st needs & provide a variety of exercise types. CB can be used at home for consolidation #ELTchat |
| worldteacher |
02:11 |
RT @barbsakaTry teaching content with books closed--cover same ground but can do it in fun way. Open books after for review #eltchat Agreed! |
| butebob |
02:11 |
isn't it the case that many teachers expect them? They do provide a cohesive syllabus to supplement / tailor to your own class #ELTchat |
| barbsaka |
02:12 |
@OUPELTGlobal You'd be surprised how often I meet teachers who's school managers require exactly that :) #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:12 |
RT @chucksandy: Good cooks know what can be left out of, put into a recipe, or added as a side dish. Good Ts using CBs know the same thing. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
02:12 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: @Shaunwilden yes sts are fordced to buy them but are teachers forced to use them "slavishly"? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:12 |
@OUPELTGlobal I have been in some schools where they have to cover everything but luckily this is not the norm #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
02:12 |
@LizziePinard I think that says more about your superior than it does about the books tho - u'r obviously trying 2 personlise more #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
02:12 |
@chucksandy @barbsaka already forgettin my hashtags . LOL :) #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
02:12 |
RT @chucksandy: RT @naomishema: I often use texts/exercises in a CB not in the way they were intended > fabulous! #eltchat |
| rliberni |
02:12 |
RT @SimonGreenall: #eltchat Oh it's not the CB writers or publishers who force teachers to commit death by CB. If you have a choice you can always say no. |
| LizziePinard |
02:12 |
RT @BobK99: @sandymillin ' Tell them it's their responsibility to do @ home #eltchat'. Hollow laugh - but that… (cont) http://deck.ly/~3c1Pl |
| Marisa_C |
02:12 |
RT @SimonGreenall: #eltchat Oh it's not the CB writers or publishers who force teachers to commit death by CB… (cont) http://deck.ly/~YZGw0 |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02:12 |
@Shaunwilden yes sts are fordced to buy them but are teachers forced to use them "slavishly"? #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
02:12 |
RT @naomishema: I often use texts/exercises in a CB not in the way they were intended > fabulous! #eltchat |
| SimonGreenall |
02:12 |
#eltchat Oh it's not the CB writers or publishers who force teachers to commit death by CB. If you have a choice you can always say no. |
| SimonGreenall |
02:13 |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat Sorry Shaun. New software. |
| hartle |
02:13 |
#eltchat this Global archive of elessons is support for Course with good topical lessons. Very popular wit… (cont) http://deck.ly/~whDe5 |
| barbsaka |
02:13 |
@Shaunwilden Schools in some parts of the world are stricter than others. Inverse relationship w/ed background of school admin #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:13 |
RT @chucksandy: RT @SimonGreenall: its not CB writers or publishers <forcing> teachers to commit death by CB. ... you can always say no. > yes #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:13 |
argh i cant keep up haha!! #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
02:13 |
RT @SimonGreenall: its not CB writers or publishers <forcing> teachers to commit death by CB. ... you can always say no. > yes #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:13 |
RT @NikkiFortova: In my experience many new t's don't realize that cb writers don't know their students and follow the book blindly #eltchat |
| catsndogs |
02:13 |
seems JTs enjoy a course to follow and hard to get them to vary from the book #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
02:13 |
#ELTChat @kenwilsonlondon did a great webinar for @MacmillanELT on adapting the coursebook a while back: http://bit.ly/9okG5d |
| NikkiFortova |
02:13 |
In my experience many new t's don't realize that cb writers don't know their students and follow the book blindly #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
02:13 |
@OUPELTGlobal Of course you can! Many schools insist that their teachers use the cb &, moreover, that they do every page! #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
02:13 |
RT @bcnpaul1: c'bks are a gr8 framework for t's but there needs to be investigation & negotiation that allows the unecessary stuff to disappear #eltchat |
| hartle |
02:14 |
@gknightbkk yes but weaker teachers will follow slavishly if not encouraged to learn how to spring away #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
02:14 |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @bcnpaul1: c'bks are a gr8 framework for t's but there needs to be investigation & negotiation 4 unecessary stuff to disappear #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
02:14 |
@BobK99 Although that does make me sound like a horrible teacher! #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:14 |
@bcnpaul1 wish i could do that! #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
02:14 |
RT @BobK99: ' Tell them it's their responsblty to do @ home #eltchat'. Hollow laugh>I agree, but hav 2 say they're adults & it's their prob! |
| worldteacher |
02:14 |
RT @chucksandy: Good cooks know what can be left out of, put into a recipe, or added as a side dish. Good Ts using CBs know the same thing. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
02:14 |
RT @harrisonmike: I like @kenwilsonlondon's suggestion about stimulating interest by asking students questions about CB topics @ start of the course #eltchat |
| gknightbkk |
02:14 |
Schools want a coursebook that supports the weakest teachers. Good teachers will always know how to spring out of it #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
02:14 |
I like @kenwilsonlondon's suggestion about stimulating interest by asking students questions about CB topics @ start of the course #eltchat |
| naomishema |
02:14 |
#eltchat - aslo have twitter problems - don't see my own tweets! |
| bcnpaul1 |
02:14 |
Inot using a book this yr is gr8 but I still look in them for resources & ideas. Basing a whole year on dogme can be v.difficult #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:14 |
RT @barbsaka: @Shaunwilden Schools in some parts of the world are stricter than others. Inverse relationship w/ed background of school admin #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02:15 |
@hartle a great objective for teacher training courses #eltchat |
| cybraryman1 |
02:15 |
Early in my teaching career I saw the necessity to write my own material. My Curriculum Writing page: http://tinyurl.com/4njb32e #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
02:15 |
RT @NikkiFortova: In my experience many new t's don't realize that cb writers don't know their students and follow the book blindly #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
02:15 |
RT @theteacherjames: #ELTChat @kenwilsonlondon did a great webinar for @MacmillanELT on adapting the coursebook a while back: http://bit.ly/9okG5d |
| rliberni |
02:15 |
@Marisa_C OMG we're both in #edchat #eltchat :0) |
| barbsaka |
02:15 |
@LizziePinard another idea for you--try assigning some of the coursebook (like listenings) as homework to free up time in class #eltchat |
| Danmagie |
02:15 |
@barbsaka I have some class sets that I use as one type of resource when building units. I'm not bound to them for sure! #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
02:15 |
RT @gknightbkk: Schools want a coursebook that supports the weakest teachers. Good Ts will always know how to spring out of it #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:15 |
I liked following my coursebook "Streamline Departures" for the whole year in East Germany in 1982! I learned how to adapt it #ELTchat |
| cerirhiannon |
02:16 |
RT @janetbianchini: #eltchat Agree, freeing up exercises for h/w helps -pin up answers on wall for sts to self-correct>love that idea :) |
| gadispinandita |
02:16 |
RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat and EF want that cos students forced to buy the book (That they made), all about money |
| evab2001 |
02:16 |
what r we talking about #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:16 |
@LizziePinard So you simply have to teach from the book? #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:16 |
RT @cybraryman1: Early in my teaching career I saw the necessity to write my own material. My Curriculum Writing page: http://tinyurl.com/4njb32e #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
02:16 |
@LizziePinard If you're struggling to keep up with #eltchat & on tweetdck, recommnd: go 2 bottom of column, use arrows to move up @ own pace |
| worldteacher |
02:16 |
@OUPELTGlobal Yes in many schools teachers are forced to use cbs 'slavishly' My DOS would have a fit if she knew how often I don't! #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:16 |
#eltchat Agree, freeing up exercises for h/w helps with time factors -pin up answers on wall for sts to self-correct |
| barbsaka |
02:16 |
@LizziePinard No homework allowed? #eltchat |
| bcnpaul1 |
02:16 |
@lizziepinard lol #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:16 |
@rliberni Are you doing both? #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
02:16 |
RRT @NikkiFortova: In my experience many new ts dont realize that cb writers dont know their students & follow the book blindly >ya #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:16 |
@barbsaka not allowed! #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:16 |
Looks like we need to be a bit patient with Twitter tonight :-) #eltchat |
| rliberni |
02:16 |
RT @cybraryman1: Early in my teaching career I saw the necessity to write my own material. My Curriculum Writing page: http://tinyurl.com/4njb32e #eltchat |
| rliberni |
02:16 |
@Marisa_C @Marisa_C thanks - I thought I'd sneak in at the back! #eltchat |
| rliberni |
02:17 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: 10 Commandments for Motivating Language Learners http://oxford.ly/mtPunw #eltchat #edchat #efl |
| sandymillin |
02:17 |
#eltchat Have you ever had specific training in how to adapt your coursebook to your students? Was really useful early seminar @my school |
| barbsaka |
02:17 |
@catsndogs Ah, thanks! You're sweet :) (Let's Go author) #eltchat |
| Regent_Home |
02:17 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: 10 Commandments for Motivating Language Learners http://oxford.ly/mtPunw #eltchat #edchat #efl |
| rliberni |
02:17 |
@Marisa_C no just a bit schizophrenic! #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
02:17 |
RT @theteacherjames: #ELTChat @kenwilsonlondon did a great webinar for @MacmillanELT on adapting the cb a while back: http://bit.ly/9okG5d |
| catsndogs |
02:17 |
let's go a good start point for younger kids who like textbooks #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:17 |
@LizziePinard You need one of those hypnosis based methods so Ss can "absorb" knowledge or at least awake thinking they did :) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:17 |
Here are some suggestions on adapting your CB - a few are even fun to do! :-) http://bit.ly/bExj4V #ELTchat |
| hartle |
02:17 |
Much depends on yr situation and workload, teachers doing 40 hrs a week need a safety net. Not ideal but realistic #ELTchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02:17 |
I've always thought of a coursebook as a map, the route I decide with my sts, as well as the pace #eltchat |
| gknightbkk |
02:17 |
@hartle Often the 'weaker' teachers who follow slavishly are NNS trying to keep up with NS #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:18 |
@sandymillin This a session I always do on my courses - most new Ts expected to work with CBs - #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:18 |
RT @SimonGreenall: @OUPELTGlobal #eltchat Good metaphor, CB as map and route. |
| rliberni |
02:18 |
RT @chucksandy: In my fave promotional prez I cut up my CB into 6 pieces & asked Ts how they'd put them back together. Then said: please do that. #eltchat |
| SimonGreenall |
02:18 |
@OUPELTGlobal #eltchat Good metaphor, CB as map and route. |
| BobK99 |
02:18 |
@sandymillin Horrible? Just realistic. If they don't take resposibility for their part in learning, they won't ;learn much. #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:18 |
@sandymillin Nice idea to have a seminar how to adapt #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
02:18 |
In my fave promotional prez I cut up my CB into 6 pieces & asked Ts how they'd put them back together. Then said: please do that. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:18 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: I've always thought of a coursebook as a map, the route I decide with my sts, as well as the pace #eltchat |
| bcnpaul1 |
02:18 |
@gknightbkk do you really think so? #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:18 |
@evab2001 HI Eva - we're tralking about using a course book slavishly and ways out of it #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
02:18 |
RT @Marisa_C: Here are some suggestions on adapting your CB - a few are even fun to do! :-) http://bit.ly/bExj4V #ELTchat |
| hartle |
02:18 |
RT @worldteacher: RT @theteacherjames: #ELTChat @kenwilsonlondon did a great webinar for @MacmillanELT on adapting the cb a while back: http://bit.ly/9okG5d |
| rliberni |
02:19 |
I used to team teach with a CB we took alternate units - got a bit disjointed so I picked out bits & supplemented heavily #eltchat |
| hartle |
02:19 |
@LizziePinard Yes no time for other things is a problem, teaches feel guilty if they don't use the book #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
02:19 |
RT @Marisa_C: Here are some suggestions on adapting your CB - a few are even fun to do! :-) http://bit.ly/bExj4V #ELTchat |
| antoniaclare |
02:19 |
#eltchat hi everyone - talked to DOSes recently who insist their Ts only spend 50% of time on CB mats, and have to improvise for the rest |
| naomishema |
02:19 |
#eltchat CB's treasure hunts inside coursebooks make ss feel they've looked through the whole CB even thought we haven't "learned" it all. |
| ddeubel |
02:19 |
#eltchat this is a presentation I made on this, with links. http://bit.ly/lEwejQ |
| sandymillin |
02:19 |
RT @gknightbkk: @hartle Often the 'weaker' teachers who follow slavishly r NNS trying to keep up w/ NS #eltchat <I would have said opposite |
| barbsaka |
02:19 |
When I do teacher training, Ts are often surprised when I suggest teaching 3/4 of class with books closed :) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:19 |
RT @gknightbkk: @hartle Often the 'weaker' teachers who follow slavishly are NNS trying to keep up with NS #eltchat Am not sure that's true |
| gknightbkk |
02:19 |
@bcnpaul1 @gknightbkk do you really think so? #eltchat > In many contexts |
| Marisa_C |
02:19 |
RT @SimonGreenall: @OUPELTGlobal #eltchat Good metaphor, CB as map and route. |
| LizziePinard |
02:19 |
#eltchat i do adapt it but the problem is, the rules plus the time frame=no space for anything non book! #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
02:20 |
@OUPELTGlobal In an ideal world - yes #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
02:20 |
First look looks great :) RT @ddeubel: #eltchat this is a presentation I made on this, with links. http://bit.ly/lEwejQ |
| LizziePinard |
02:20 |
treasure hunt nice idea #eltchat |
| rliberni |
02:20 |
Why do schools insist on CBs? #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:20 |
@LizziePinard Do you teach at a private language school? #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:20 |
RT @ddeubel #eltchat this is a presentation I made on this, with links. http://bit.ly/lEwejQ - thanks David! |
| Shaunwilden |
02:20 |
@LizziePinard It doesnt sound like a fun job #eltchat |
| ddeubel |
02:20 |
How many students actually do the extra online exercises many books offer? #eltchat |
| hartle |
02:20 |
@worldteacher yes I've done that too, so the key is to be selective and adapt. #ELTchat |
| cerirhiannon |
02:20 |
RT @naomishema: #eltchat CB's treasure hunts inside coursebooks > good for kicking off as well, ask ss to idenitfy images/texts that appeal |
| sandymillin |
02:20 |
RT @theteacherjames: @sandymillin I would have loved that kind of training. Must have got your brain whirring! #eltchat <it did! |
| LizziePinard |
02:20 |
in training i was allowed to be creative and was, here creativity is not encouraged, more frowned upon!!#eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:20 |
@SimonGreenall Crutch... #ELTchat |
| catsndogs |
02:20 |
that map that kids can see might help them feel concrete progress too #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:20 |
@naomishema Very clever idea (treasure hunts!) #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
02:20 |
@sandymillin I would have loved that kind of training. Must have got your brain whirring! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:20 |
@gknightbkk @bcnpaul1 More like post CELTA NS who have been taught to hang on too their cbk too tightly #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
02:20 |
@barbsaka My school doesn't allow us to give the listening tracks to sts until AFTER we've listened in class #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
02:21 |
RT @Marisa_C: Here are some suggestions on adapting your CB - a few are even fun to do! :-) http://bit.ly/bExj4V #ELTchat >nice link - thx |
| evab2001 |
02:21 |
@janetbianchini thnx Janet #eltchat |
| bcnpaul1 |
02:21 |
@shaunwilden exactly! unless they did a CELTA with a dogme specialist :-) #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
02:21 |
@LizziePinard #eltchat 2/2 class helps - I give SS links to lots of other resources that they can investigate if they want to. Added value! |
| chucksandy |
02:21 |
Worth mentioning: despite the Ts here, much of the teaching world isn't ready for/prepared to teach in a CB free world. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:21 |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @rliberni: Why do schools insist on CBs? #eltchat Well it beats lots of poor photocopies :-) > Good Question |
| LizziePinard |
02:21 |
@barbsaka yup!! #eltchat |
| hartle |
02:21 |
Another idea is to get learners to choose the unit that looks most interesting to them #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
02:21 |
Are stds hungry for CBs? #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:21 |
@Shaunwilden leaving soon! :-D students are lovely tho #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:21 |
RT @rliberni: Why do schools insist on CBs? #eltchat Well it beats lots of poor photocopies :-) |
| sandymillin |
02:21 |
RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat the rules plus the time frame=no space for anything non book! #eltchat <this is where sth like Edmodo outside 1/2 |
| antoniaclare |
02:21 |
#eltchat Also if Ts using other materials helps school to differentiate from competition |
| rliberni |
02:21 |
RT @brad5patterson: "First look" looks great :) RT @ddeubel: #eltchat this is a presentation I made on this, with links. http://bit.ly/lEwejQ |
| hartle |
02:22 |
@Marisa_C Private schools??? #ELTchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:22 |
@sandymillin what is 2/2 sorry? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:22 |
@bcnpaul1 haha, but even then they might not be confident enough in their own LA to get away from lots of cbk cp activities #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:22 |
@hartle It depends on the class, for me. Some students do better with a coursebook. Others without. #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
02:22 |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @hartle: Another idea is to get learners to choose the unit that looks most interesting to them #ELTchat > yes, or topic, theme, image |
| antoniaclare |
02:22 |
RT @chucksandy: Worth mentioning: ...much of the teaching world isn't ready for/prepared to teach in a CB free world. #eltchat> Phew! |
| rliberni |
02:22 |
@Shaunwilden yes I hate p'copies they always end up squashed in s'ones bag & not used - no real obj to CBs for stds just wondered #eltchat |
| Danmagie |
02:22 |
@barbsaka @SimonGreenall @OUPELTGlobal With stops 4 vdo views, audio lunches, and media centers--with the map, along the route. #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
02:22 |
RT @hartle: How many poeple teach without CBs at all? #ELTchat > do both, depends on the course/context |
| Marisa_C |
02:22 |
Lots of schools I know don't actually trust their teachers to do a good job so CB is a safeguard #ELTchat - protectins Ss from T !!!!! |
| bcnpaul1 |
02:22 |
@gknightbkk could you elaborate on that a bit? #eltchat |
| cintiastella |
02:22 |
RT @chucksandy: Worth mentioning: despite the Ts here, much of the teaching world isn't ready for/prepared to teach in a CB free world. #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
02:22 |
RT @naomishema: #eltchat CB's treasure hunts inside coursebooks make ss feel they've looked through the whole CB even thought we haven't "learned" it all. |
| barbsaka |
02:22 |
@LizziePinard Then admin is likely doing what they think will bring in Ss. Advertise how much they cover (vs. how much learned) #eltchat |
| hartle |
02:22 |
How many poeple teach without CBs at all? #ELTchat |
| cerirhiannon |
02:22 |
RT @hartle: Another idea is to get learners to choose the unit that looks most interesting to them #ELTchat > yes, or topic, theme, image |
| hartle |
02:23 |
@Shaunwilden yes I agree but using a CB as a syllabus is a gd idea particularly for weaker or busier teachers #ELTchat |
| SimonGreenall |
02:23 |
#eltchat CBs are more than 'better than photocopies.' There's a lot of research going into to methodology, topics, coverage of curricula... |
| janetbianchini |
02:23 |
RT @hartle: Another idea is to get learners to choose the unit that looks most interesting to them #ELTchat > yes, or topic, theme, image |
| rliberni |
02:23 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: @Shaunwilden many teachers too, unfortunately #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02:23 |
@Shaunwilden many teachers too, unfortunately #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:23 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @rliberni I think many school see cbks as the syllabus #eltchat <--absolutely |
| Shaunwilden |
02:23 |
@rliberni I think many school see cbks as the syllabus #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:23 |
@hartle yes private #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:24 |
And many schools in Greece use LOTS of books to keep the T busy & ss out of mischief #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
02:24 |
#eltchat Some SS feel that the number of pages they filled in their CB measures their progress! |
| LizziePinard |
02:24 |
RT @bcnpaul1: RT @shaunwilden: @rliberni I think many school see cbks as the syllabus #eltchat >that's exactly the problem. EXACTLY!! x2!!! |
| yitzha_sarwono |
02:24 |
Still on my way home,in a bus, hope to still able to check out #eltchat along the way |
| hartle |
02:24 |
@LizziePinard or have a nice blog or wiki where exercises can be posted #ELTchat |
| gknightbkk |
02:24 |
In Asian contexts most Ts are NNS but teach alongside a minority of NS. The admin want CLT approach and think a coursebook is sol #eltchat |
| cintiastella |
02:24 |
The 2 largest English institutes in Peru use a CB & teachers have to struggle with tight teaching schedules to cover it in 1 month #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
02:24 |
RT @ddeubel: #eltchat this is a presentation I made on this, with links. http://bit.ly/lEwejQ >Great link - thanks! |
| chucksandy |
02:24 |
@marisa_c That's 1 side of it. The other side is a lot of Ts aren't willing to / too busy to create their own materials. #eltchat |
| bcnpaul1 |
02:24 |
RT @shaunwilden: @rliberni I think many school see cbks as the syllabus #eltchat >that's exactly the problem. EXACTLY!! |
| LizziePinard |
02:24 |
#eltchat so instead of a cb, centres should give a nice file for all those crappy photocopies to be kept toget… (cont) http://deck.ly/~i88j6 |
| Shaunwilden |
02:24 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: @Shaunwilden many teachers too, unfortunately #eltchat Yes agreed :-( |
| cintiastella |
02:25 |
A CB may simplify the work for a "not so well prepared" teacher #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
02:25 |
RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat perhaps we shld see cbs as 'core' syllabus to be adapted according to sts' needs |
| rliberni |
02:25 |
@brad5patterson true & edchatters are getting extra value today! #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:25 |
@chucksandy I think creating one's own materials should be mandatory in a Teacher training syllabus, surely? #ELTchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02:25 |
From a school's point of view a CB offers some structure and common point for teachers and sts - important, no? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:25 |
V old blog post of mine "How many books to teach a 6 year old" http://bit.ly/afYQ2 #ELTchat |
| hartle |
02:25 |
RT @barbsaka: Very true RT @naomishema: #eltchat Some SS feel that the number of pages they filled in their CB measures their progress! |
| cerirhiannon |
02:25 |
RT @barbsaka: Very true RT @naomishema: #eltchat Some SS feel that the number of pages they filled in their CB measures their progress! |
| LizziePinard |
02:25 |
@hartle can u elaborate sorry? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:25 |
@gknightbkk Arh the CLT approach, the myth that underlies many cbks #eltchat |
| rliberni |
02:25 |
@SimonGreenall true & I think it is good to give stds one - I do, but I prefer it as a reference #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:25 |
Very true RT @naomishema: #eltchat Some SS feel that the number of pages they filled in their CB measures their progress! |
| antoniaclare |
02:25 |
#eltchat perhaps we shld see cbs as 'core' syllabus to be adapted according to sts' needs |
| barbsaka |
02:25 |
Not necessarily bad to use coursebook as syllabus and reminder for language learned. LOTS of research in those syllabi :) #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
02:25 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @rliberni I think many school see cbks as the syllabus #eltchat |
| SimonGreenall |
02:26 |
RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat perhaps we shld see cbs as 'core' syllabus to be adapted according to sts' needs>> I agree if teachers need it. |
| sandymillin |
02:26 |
RT @Marisa_C: Here are some suggestions on adapting your CB - a few are even fun to do! :-) http://bit.ly/bExj4V #ELTchat >great ideas |
| hartle |
02:26 |
RT @barbsaka: gr8 post! RT @Marisa_C: V old blog post of mine "How many books to teach a 6 year old" http://bit.ly/afYQ2 #ELTchat |
| BobK99 |
02:26 |
@CintiaStella '...teachers have to struggle ... to cover it in 1 month #eltchat' - I wonder what they think they mean by 'cover'? :-) |
| barbsaka |
02:26 |
Yes RT @OUPELTGlobal: From a school's point of view a CB offers some structure and common point for teachers and sts - important? #eltchat |
| ddeubel |
02:26 |
I give this Richards essay out as reading in my certificate courses. http://bit.ly/f6FeXc #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
02:26 |
@Marisa_C Why would they trust a book instead? Can a coursebook 'understand' the students and their needs? So so misguided =( #eltchat |
| gknightbkk |
02:26 |
The book is expensive, there is always pressure to cover the whole book at the expense of extending it #eltchat |
| NikkiFortova |
02:26 |
Are there any pre-service courses that don't require trainees to follow a coursebook? Too much to ask to expect trainees not to? #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
02:26 |
hear2 ! RT @LizziePinard in training i was allowed to be creative and was, here creativity is not encouraged, more frowned upon!!#eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:26 |
RT @barbsaka: Not necessarily bad to use coursebook as syllabus and reminder for language learned. LOTS of research in those syllabi :) #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:26 |
@OUPELTGlobal a syllabus framework could do that plus access to the resources to build ones own lesson to fulfil the syllabus #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:26 |
gr8 post! RT @Marisa_C: V old blog post of mine "How many books to teach a 6 year old" http://bit.ly/afYQ2 #ELTchat |
| bcnpaul1 |
02:26 |
RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat perhaps we shld see cbs as 'core' syllabus to be adapted according to sts' needs > agree w/that (sort of :)) |
| janetbianchini |
02:26 |
RT @hartle: @LizziePinard or have a nice blog or wiki where exercises can be posted #ELTchat |
| chucksandy |
02:26 |
@LizziePinard: RT @bcnpaul1: RT @shaunwilden: @rliberni I've visited a lot of schools that really have no idea what a syllabus is #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
02:26 |
#ELTChat Once, had to use two CBs with the same class (one reading, one writing), but each a different level. Nightmare! |
| hartle |
02:26 |
@LizziePinard yes but elaborate what? I've missed it too fast and furious #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
02:26 |
#eltchat With some pages, esp. revision, let SS do tasks @ own pace & come to you to check answers after each ex. Hav more 4 fast finishers |
| SimonGreenall |
02:26 |
RT @rliberni: @SimonGreenall true & I think it is good to give stds one - I do, but I prefer it as a reference #eltchat>> totally agree. |
| Marisa_C |
02:26 |
@chucksandy protection against lazy Ts - sure that too! #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
02:27 |
RT @hartle: @worldteacher yes I've done that too, so the key is to be selective and adapt. #ELTchat >Absolutely!! |
| janetbianchini |
02:27 |
RT @sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: Here are some suggestions on adapting your CB - a few are even fun to do! :-) http://bit.ly/bExj4V #ELTchat >great ideas |
| hartle |
02:27 |
@LizziePinard ok :-) #ELTchat |
| worldteacher |
02:27 |
@ddeubel I always recommend them, but 'you can lead a horse to water' & all that..... #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
02:27 |
RT @janetbianchini: I agree, but many Ts have never had the chance to take a teacher training course. Sad but true #eltchat |
| bcnpaul1 |
02:27 |
@chucksandy probably cos they think it all happens as if by magic from page 1 until roughly 3/4 of the way thru' when they say bye #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:27 |
@hartle ive lost track too! will dm u later when i read the transcript!! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:27 |
@chucksandy: #eltchat Yes me too&they look shocked at the suggestion of using one |
| brad5patterson |
02:28 |
CBs or no CBs, this idea of progress seems to be core. CBs might b symbolic of progress like @naomishema said 4 both TTs and SSs #eltchat |
| bcnpaul1 |
02:28 |
one of my best friends went to work for a publisher to sell c'bks- TO OUR SCHOOL our relationship is unretrievable :-) #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:28 |
Two problems I see. 1) Required coursebook not appropriate. 2) Good book, but too little time to cover everything require. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
02:28 |
@hartle 95% of the time, I don't use them #ELTchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:28 |
RT @gknightbkk: The book is expensive, there is always pressure to cover the whole book at the expense of extending it #eltchat EXACTO! |
| evab2001 |
02:28 |
@cerirhiannon @hartle me 2,I have a class I use CB&another w/o. but when I use CB I use it as guide,I always find sth relevant 2 ss #eltchat |
| rliberni |
02:28 |
@chucksandy I'm lucky my syllabus comes from each student is is designed for them - makes it v challenging but more interesting #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
02:29 |
RT @rliberni: Are stds hungry for CBs? #eltchat In Italy, yes - feel cheated if they don't get one! Even for conversation classes! |
| ddeubel |
02:29 |
I think it important what you subtract and communicate that at the start with Ss. #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:29 |
@chucksandy #ELTchat Do you mean teachers who are teaching on gap -years, without full teaching qulifications? |
| Shaunwilden |
02:29 |
RT @antoniaclare: @janetbianchini #eltchat ALso, someTs are good at teaching but not so good at preparing /writing materials. It's a different skill |
| hartle |
02:29 |
The future of CBs is to adapt to 21st Century learning. Info outside class, and use of language in the class #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
02:29 |
@LizziePinard if students have bought the book then I think it's only fair to use it - a bit in class & for hwk or extra study? #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
02:29 |
@janetbianchini #eltchat ALso, someTs are good at teaching but not so good at preparing /writing materials. It's a different skill |
| Marisa_C |
02:29 |
@harrisonmike They would trust a book more bcz they have no idea of pedagogy themselves - they just OWN a school #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:29 |
@LizziePinard Maybe you can invite the school directors to join us on #eltchat and we can point out the error of their ways to them :-) |
| cintiastella |
02:29 |
Many Ss feel that if the don't cover the whole CB, they have not learned #eltchat |
| NikkiFortova |
02:29 |
RT @brad5patterson: CBs or no CBs, this idea of progress seems to be core. CBs might b symbolic of progress like @naomishema said 4 both TTs and SSs #eltchat |
| rliberni |
02:30 |
@janetbianchini I also think CBs can be very invaluable for new teachers - you need to find your feet and learn so much #eltchat |
| bamarcia |
02:30 |
RT @brad5patterson: CBs or no CBs, this idea of progress seems 2 b core. CBs might b symbolic of progress l4 both TTs and SSs #eltchat |
| hartle |
02:30 |
RT @worldteacher: RT @rliberni: Are stds hungry for CBs? #eltchat In Italy, yes - feel cheated if they don'… (cont) http://deck.ly/~9qk7R |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02:30 |
CBs do give sts (maybe Ts too) a sense of progression through the year #eltchat |
| juanalejandro26 |
02:30 |
RT @barbsaka: Coursebooks can also be useful for teachers who teach many classes and don't have time to create all from scratch for every class #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:30 |
RT @ddeubel: I think it imp what u subtract & communicate that at the start with Ss. #eltchat Agreed if you explain to them they understand |
| yitzha_sarwono |
02:30 |
Problems with developing country here is parents still expect CB as they thought it's the whole lesson,while dogme is strange thing #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
02:30 |
@brad5patterson #eltchat Agreed - perhas we should be looking at better ways to measure progress (e.g. filming sts, ongoing blogs etc) |
| evab2001 |
02:30 |
RT @barbsaka: Two problems I see. 1) Required coursebook not appropriate. 2) Good book, but too little time to cover everything require. #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:30 |
Coursebooks can also be useful for teachers who teach many classes and don't have time to create all from scratch for every class #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
02:30 |
CORE ISSUE---> RT @barbsaka 1) Required coursebook not appropriate. 2) Good book, but too little time to cover everything require. #eltchat |
| Pameliabrwn |
02:30 |
RT @SimonGreenall: RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat perhaps we shld see cbs as 'core' syllabus to be adapted according to sts' needs>> I agree if teachers need it. |
| chucksandy |
02:30 |
the issue isn't as simple CB/no CB. It's schools not knowing what they're doing hiring Ts who don't know what they're doing. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:31 |
@sandymillin Sure - just conveying the DOS attitude here #eltchat |
| rliberni |
02:31 |
@hartle I think it's seen as part of the course, it's expected and that's fine #eltchat |
| harrisonmike |
02:31 |
@Marisa_C No idea of 'human interaction' of you ask me. Catch ya later #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
02:31 |
@barbsaka @naomishema Sometimes sts want to use a CB because it's there & they've paid for it, or they wonder why it's there at all #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:31 |
RT @chucksandy: the issue isn't as simple CB/no CB. It's schools not knowing what they're doing hiring Ts who don't know what they're doing. #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
02:31 |
RT @janetbianchini: no, I mean Ts working in places the world where training & PD isn't viewed as essential. #eltchat |
| hartle |
02:31 |
@bamarcia CBs also a safety net, and stds can go home study again things they missed if pace too fast etc. #ELTchat |
| antoniaclare |
02:31 |
RT @hartle: The future of CBs is to adapt to 21st Century learning. Info outside class, and use of language in the class #ELTchat>maybe! |
| Marisa_C |
02:31 |
RT @rliberni: @janetbianchini I also think CBs can be very invaluable for new teachers you need to find your feet learn so much #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:31 |
RT @hartle: The future of CBs is to adapt to 21st Century learning. Info outside class, and use of language in the class #ELTchat |
| SimonGreenall |
02:31 |
#eltchat many teachers in state schools are obliged to use CBs because they' 'interpret' the English curriculum. |
| janetbianchini |
02:31 |
@antoniaclare #ELTchat I agree prepping materials is a different ball game to teaching but it's a useful skill to learn how to do it |
| barbsaka |
02:31 |
@yitzha_sarwono In some parts of the world I travel to, coursebooks are still seen as "high tech" :-) #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
02:31 |
RT @barbsaka: Two problems I see. 1) Required coursebook not appropriate. 2) Good book, but too little time to cover everything require. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:31 |
RT @rliberni: @janetbianchini I also think CBs can be very invaluable for new teachers - you need to find your feet and learn so much #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
02:31 |
RT @Marisa_C: @chucksandy protection against lazy Ts - sure that too! #eltchat >tho I think it can *create* lazy Ts too sometimes |
| janetbianchini |
02:32 |
@barbsaka Point taken re being time-consuming to do own mats all the time, but good 4 re-using later & sharing with other teachers? #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
02:32 |
@Shaunwilden the same goes for TBs with newbies learn the ropes and then throw them out! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:32 |
@rliberni @janetbianchini sorry tweetdeck went mad..job 36 hours a week couldnt imagine not using a cbk back then #eltchat |
| bcnpaul1 |
02:32 |
not always fair to chastise the c'bk (OMG - what am I saying!!) it's often a case of a bad workman blaming his tools (or her) #eltchat |
| hartle |
02:32 |
@rliberni yes but of course it all depends how you use it :-) #ELTchat |
| BobK99 |
02:32 |
@rliberni LizziePinard if students have bought the book then I think it's only fair to use it ... #eltchat' - Yes - by all means .../ |
| antoniaclare |
02:32 |
RT @barbsaka: Cbs can be useful for teachers who teach many classes and don't have time to create all from scratch for every class #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
02:32 |
RT @barbsaka: @yitzha_sarwono In some parts of the world I travel to, coursebooks are still seen as "high tech" :-) >yes yes yes #eltchat |
| bamarcia |
02:32 |
@hartle #ELTchat That's true! ;) |
| gknightbkk |
02:32 |
As a coursebook publisher for 15 years, I feel Euro publishing panders to T wishes too much. Big gap between theory & practice #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:33 |
@rliberni yes though these days TBs seem more indepth and i find myself reading them more than i used to #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:33 |
@janetbianchini Absolutely. All teachers create their own materials, even if they use a coursebook :) #ELTchat |
| cintiastella |
02:33 |
@barbsaka @yitzha_sarwono And in some parts of the world, CB are regarded as the ONLY teaching material to be used #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
02:33 |
Do you have suggestions for specific activities to adapt CB activities? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
02:33 |
RT @sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: Here are some suggestions on adapting your CB - a few are even fun to do! :-) http://bit.ly/bExj4V #ELTchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02:33 |
@gknightbkk interesting point - who's leading who? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
02:34 |
@cerirhiannon What are 'reader response codes' #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
02:34 |
RT @sandymillin: suggestions for specific activities to adapt CB activities? #eltchat > Ss write comp qs for reading texts |
| Shaunwilden |
02:34 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: Do publishers provide CBs that make teachers, and teaching better or do they simply pander to T's insecurities? #eltchat |
| gknightbkk |
02:34 |
@OUPELTGlobal interesting point - who's leading who? >> Exactly #eltchat |
| SimonGreenall |
02:34 |
@barbsaka #eltchat I dont think it's always true that 'all teachers create their own materials.' Many do, but not all. Sometimes they can't |
| sandymillin |
02:34 |
@rliberni CBs helped me to learn roughly what grammar was appropriate for each level #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02:34 |
Do publishers provide CBs that make teachers, and teaching better or do they simply pander to T's insecurities? #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:34 |
@rliberni #ELTchat Totally agree! I'd've been lost with/out trusted Streamline Departs as a newbie teacher! Had to teach it 2 ALL classes |
| mk_elt |
02:34 |
#eltchat For nw Ts cbks can be good too -> I learned a lot of new things/activities before I decided to use cbks more selectively |
| cerirhiannon |
02:34 |
RT @sandymillin: suggestions for specific activities to adapt CB activities? #eltchat > use reader response codes instead of comp qs |
| barbsaka |
02:34 |
Also true :) RT @CintiaStella: And in some parts of the world, CB are regarded as the ONLY teaching material to be used #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:34 |
RT @sandymillin: Do you have suggestions for specific activities to adapt CB activities? #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
02:34 |
@janetbianchini Yes, very useful - I think it's a good idea for them to experiement with published and their own mats #eltchat |
| rliberni |
02:34 |
@Shaunwilden me too - Kernel Lessons was my bible - still have my copy - love to look at it imagine just Pres simple for a week!! #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
02:34 |
@antoniaclare #eltchat i always taped for pronunciation, and geared growth by fluidity and accent--- oral-focused, but many possibilities |
| Shaunwilden |
02:35 |
@sandymillin You can achieve a lot by simply opening and closing the book, what did u see, what can u remember, can u retell etc #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
02:35 |
So what does a TT do when they have too much material to cover, and feel "oppressed" by a CB ? #eltchat |
| hartle |
02:35 |
@ddeubel true but some are better than others #ELTchat |
| antoniaclare |
02:35 |
RT @bcnpaul1: not always fair to chastise the c'bk (OMG - what am I saying!!) it's often a case of a bad workman blaming tools #eltchat :)) |
| bcnpaul1 |
02:35 |
h'wk task to plan how to teach the next part of the bk works well- then sts've learnt it & u can do sthg else to use the lang #eltchat |
| evab2001 |
02:35 |
RT @ddeubel: My opinion is most TBs are atrocious. too much info. Too dense and don't leave much for teacher dev. #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:35 |
RT @ddeubel: My opinion is most TBs are atrocious. too much info. Too dense and don't leave much for teacher dev. #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:35 |
@SimonGreenall I think they do, eventually. Natural course of development. First you follow, then you adapt. Not always on paper. #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
02:35 |
@CintiaStella @barbsaka Well, been there,done that! But I was lucky enough to be able to break out a bit and adding personal touch #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02:35 |
I loved the Streamline series. Shaped me as the teacher and trainer I am today #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
02:35 |
RT @sandymillin: @cerirhiannon What are 'reader response codes' #eltchat > students write e.g. ? ! x :) as they react to the text |
| ddeubel |
02:35 |
My opinion is most TBs are atrocious. too much info. Too dense and don't leave much for teacher dev. #eltchat |
| NikkiFortova |
02:35 |
@cerirhiannon what are reader response codes? #eltchat |
| hartle |
02:35 |
@sandymillin yes and this is very challenging for newbie teachers #ELTchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:35 |
#eltchat use reader response codes instead of comp qs <---what does it mean? |
| bcnpaul1 |
02:36 |
@antoniaclare thought you might like that :-) #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:36 |
RT @brad5patterson: So what does a TT do when they have too much material to cover, and feel "oppressed" by a CB ? #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:36 |
@gknightbkk Europe panders more than Asia? #eltchat |
| SimonGreenall |
02:36 |
@barbsaka #eltchat Yes, I agree, but ... Am thinking of my teachers in Chinese state schools, 20% of all ELT teachers around world. |
| cerirhiannon |
02:36 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @sandymillin You can achieve a lot by simply opening and closing the book, what did u see, what can u remember, can u retell etc #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:36 |
#eltchat im blaming time constraints rather than tools/cbs. cbs have their place but not as king in the class!! |
| Shaunwilden |
02:36 |
RT @hartle: The resources provided in many T-bks have taught me a lot over the years #ELTchat Yep me too |
| gknightbkk |
02:36 |
@ddeubel but that's what Ts asked for #eltchat |
| rliberni |
02:36 |
RT @evab2001: @ddeubel agree David but some Ts really love using them #eltchat and some need clear guidance |
| worldteacher |
02:36 |
RT @barbsaka: Coursebooks can also be useful for teachers who teach many classes and don't have time to create all from scratch for every class #eltchat |
| hartle |
02:36 |
The resources provided in many T-bks have taught me a lot over the years #ELTchat |
| evab2001 |
02:36 |
@ddeubel agree David but some Ts really love using them #eltchat and some need clear guidance |
| bnleez |
02:36 |
It's about how the CB is being used, not the CB itself. Use CBs (along with other materials) to uncover (vs. cover) content #eltchat |
| rliberni |
02:36 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @sandymillin You can achieve a lot by simply opening and closing the book, what did u see, what can u remember, can u retell etc #eltchat |
| rliberni |
02:36 |
@sandymillin @janetbianchini so CBs,WBs TBs as PD Lol! :-) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:37 |
@chucksandy Does anyone have the time for the, really? It's lovely idea but..... #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
02:37 |
RT @barbsaka: Ideas? RT @sandymillin: Do you have suggestions for specific activities to adapt CB activities? #eltchat > localise where poss |
| barbsaka |
02:37 |
@Shaunwilden TBs are like methodology courses now :) #eltchat |
| SimonGreenall |
02:37 |
@chucksandy #eltchat OK, but good writers need good editors. |
| evab2001 |
02:37 |
@OUPELTGlobal I love the Streamline series I learned English with them LOL :) #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
02:37 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: Do publishers provide CBs that make teachers, and teaching better or do they simply pander to T's insecurities? #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
02:37 |
RT @barbsaka: Ideas? RT @sandymillin: Do you have suggestions for specific activities to adapt CB activities? #eltchat |
| NanaMalikova |
02:37 |
@ddeubel agree, impossible to follow everything they suggest. T needs to filter info #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:37 |
@OUPELTGlobal #ELTchat That's fantastic!! Nice to hear that! It shaped me as a teacher too. Loved the pictures and dialogues!! |
| barbsaka |
02:37 |
Ideas? RT @sandymillin: Do you have suggestions for specific activities to adapt CB activities? #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
02:37 |
isn't it abt time that a group of good teacher /writers got together to create an open source/ creative commons CB online? #eltchat |
| naomishema |
02:37 |
#eltchat Some teachers don't have copying machines (copyright?) Good to have something that all SS have, even if not used the way intended |
| rliberni |
02:38 |
@LizziePinard yea, if that's possible - maybe not for everyone #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:38 |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @hartle: The resources provided in many T-bks have taught me a lot over the years #ELTchat Yep me too |
| cerirhiannon |
02:38 |
@cerirhiannon @barbsaka @sandymillin #eltchat - localise = make links with the ss world /hometown/ friends /family thru texts & discussion |
| barbsaka |
02:38 |
@yitzha_sarwono Way to go, Yitzha! #eltchat |
| NikkiFortova |
02:38 |
@cerirhiannon lovely idea :-) perhaps reader response codes can be used after the comp ?s to allow learners to react to the text #eltchat |
| evab2001 |
02:38 |
@cerirhiannon @barbsaka @sandymillin if u see sts r interested, find extra . we r surounded with gr8 things #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
02:38 |
@sandymillin Activity: Prediction activities based on photos. #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
02:38 |
RT @chucksandy: isn't it abt time that a group of good teacher /writers got together to create an open source/ creative commons CB online? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
02:38 |
RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat my solution, move to work somewhere where you have a bit more freedom and time to exploit material and depart from cb! |
| gknightbkk |
02:38 |
@barbsaka I think so. I believe the US/Asian publishing contains less CELTA dogma #eltchat |
| naomishema |
02:38 |
@chucksandy some of the CB are very high quality - just can't possibly teach it all! #eltchat |
| commiepinkoscum |
02:38 |
The CB is useful for homework assignments and extended learning. I prefer to use "authentic materials" when possible though. #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
02:38 |
#eltchat Sometimes I photocopy a reading text and put around the room (esp. when in clear sections). Then dictate 1 q @ time, SS note ans |
| LizziePinard |
02:38 |
#eltchat my solution, move to work somewhere where you have a bit more freedom and time to exploit material and depart from cb! |
| rliberni |
02:38 |
@evab2001 I think u're right sticking to 1 denies us the delights of another - no perf CB we discover this every time at Unit 3/4 #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
02:38 |
RT w/ tag.../show an interest - point out the good bits, identify pitfalls etc. #eltchat |
| evab2001 |
02:38 |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @barbsaka: Ideas? RT @sandymillin: Do you have suggestions for specific activities to adapt CB activities? #eltchat > localise where poss |
| LizziePinard |
02:39 |
RT @naomishema: @chucksandy some of the CB are very high quality - just can't possibly teach it all! #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
02:39 |
#eltchat When poss avoid teaching lock-step (all at same speed) - let SS work through pages at own speed, you supervise/help wn needed |
| LizziePinard |
02:39 |
@commiepinkoscum we have to only use CB no time/freedom to use authentic as well... :( #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
02:39 |
@NikkiFortova yes, totally #eltchat |
| ddeubel |
02:39 |
@chucksandy - you can edit my Teach | Learn course book #eltchat |
| rliberni |
02:39 |
RT @chucksandy: RT @SimonGreenall: OK, but good writers need good editors. > are you volunteering? ^^ Agree completely. I'd be dead w/out editors #eltchat |
| naomishema |
02:39 |
RT @theteacherjames: @sandymillin Activity: Prediction activities based on photos. #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
02:39 |
RT @SimonGreenall: OK, but good writers need good editors. > are you volunteering? ^^ Agree completely. I'd be dead w/out editors #eltchat |
| rliberni |
02:40 |
Also when you're having a bad day - "let's do the listening ex on page 33" is bliss! #eltchat |
| ddeubel |
02:40 |
I think that with purchase - all txtbks should be able to be edited by prof. teachers. #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
02:40 |
RT @sandymillin: #eltchat Sometimes I photocopy a reading text and put around the room (esp. when in clear sections). Then dictate 1 q @ time, SS note ans |
| LizziePinard |
02:40 |
@rliberni yah I know... #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:40 |
@SimonGreenall Your Chinese teachers never adapt an activity in the book? #eltchat |
| cintiastella |
02:40 |
Idea: adapt the topics to suit our Ss' interests (my dad is 76, he's learning English and his CB tells about teenage pop groups!) #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
02:40 |
#eltchat someone mentioned recently assiging reading texts to ss at beginning of term - their responsibility to intro them when time comes |
| GapDaemon |
02:40 |
Good pointers! RT: @OUPELTGlobal: 10 Commandments for Motivating Language Learners http://oxford.ly/mtPunw #eltchat #edchat #efl |
| theteacherjames |
02:40 |
@brad5patterson Tough one, give parts as homework and then later give an answer key? #eltchat |
| SimonGreenall |
02:40 |
@chucksandy #eltchat Haha! Why not? but not really an editor. |
| janetbianchini |
02:40 |
@evab2001 #ELTchat What's your fave Streamline lesson?? Mine is Daily Routines Unit 33 (If I remember rightly!!) |
| sandymillin |
02:41 |
@LizziePinard If you're plodding through CB, ex 1, ex 2, ex 3, what's the point too? ;) Gives them some freedom #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
02:41 |
RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat - always ask sts for a personal response to the text / info in the CB - what do YOU think? same here in your country? |
| gknightbkk |
02:41 |
The less space the activity takes on the page the more support it has in the TM and the more localised it is. But harder to teach #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:41 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @brad5patterson Explain to sts why covering everything is not necessary, give them answers keys for self-study #eltchat |
| hartle |
02:41 |
@OUPELTGlobal yes the 2 guys in prison are great #ELTchat so what we want is somethng that makes us laugh |
| Shaunwilden |
02:41 |
@brad5patterson Explain to sts why covering everything is not necessary, give them answers keys for self-study #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:41 |
RT @cerirhiannon: #eltchat someone mentioned recently assiging reading texts to ss at beginning of term - their responsibility to intro them when time comes |
| barbsaka |
02:41 |
@SimonGreenall Praise the publishing gods for good editors :) #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
02:41 |
#eltchat - always ask sts for a personal response to the text / info in the CB - what do YOU think? same here in your country? |
| SimonGreenall |
02:41 |
RT @Harmerj: Impossible to take part in courebook #elchat right now but greatly looking forward to sumary> #eltchat |
| catsndogs |
02:41 |
anyone know of good CBI or task based CBs for younger ones? #eltchat |
| bcnpaul1 |
02:41 |
give sts list of topics / grammar / skills from cb & ask 'em to id interesting / needed & keep going back to it to reaffirm #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:41 |
@sandymillin if u just supervising and they just plodding thru cb, what is the point of the lesson in the end? #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
02:41 |
I can say that the publishers I've written for & editors I've worked w/ try to better teaching w/ flexible innovations & mtls #eltchat |
| NikkiFortova |
02:41 |
RT @rliberni: Also when you're having a bad day - "let's do the listening ex on page 33" is bliss! #eltchat :-) yep |
| sandymillin |
02:41 |
@barbsaka: @Shaunwilden TBs like methodology courses now #eltchat <not always bad thing. Learnt a lot from mine! &some Ts don't have courses |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02:41 |
@janetbianchini I love the 2 guys in Prison - going to future #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:42 |
@gknightbkk You could be right. CELTA not very big here. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:42 |
Very often it's the parents that need educating abt CB use #ELTchat - but this requirese knowledgeable & strong leadership |
| hartle |
02:42 |
Use articles to get a response from learners and then adapt the work. lang analysis, development discussion etc. #ELTchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:42 |
RT @NikkiFortova: RT @rliberni: Also when you're having a bad day - "let's do the listening ex on page 33" is bliss! #eltchat :-) (true :)) |
| chucksandy |
02:42 |
RT @ddeubel: " you can edit my Teach | Learn course book " It's a nice effort and offer ^^ #eltchat |
| NikkiFortova |
02:42 |
Perhaps you could have learning circles where Ss are working on different activities and then after 15 mins they change activities. #eltchat |
| SimonGreenall |
02:42 |
@barbsaka #eltchat I can't say, but they're under strict rules to complete the CB, and therefore prepare Ss for exams. MoE requirements. |
| bcnpaul1 |
02:42 |
RT @rliberni: Also when you're having a bad day - "let's do the listening ex on page 33" is bliss! #eltchat > hmmmm :) |
| barbsaka |
02:42 |
@LizziePinard If you ever get free from your coursebook, watch out world! #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
02:42 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @brad5patterson Explain to sts why covering everything is not necessary, give them answers keys for self-study #eltchat |
| rliberni |
02:42 |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: @brad5patterson Explain to sts why covering everything is not necessary, give them answers keys for self-study #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
02:43 |
@evab2001 thanks Eva! #eltchat |
| evab2001 |
02:43 |
wrote about it last year #eltchat http://evasimkesyan.edublogs.org/2010/10/11/to-use-or-not-to-use-course-books/ |
| sandymillin |
02:43 |
RT @NikkiFortova: RT @rliberni: Also when you're having a bad day - "let's do the listening ex on page 33" is bliss! #eltchat :-) yep <3rded |
| antoniaclare |
02:43 |
RT @cerirhiannon: #eltchat when working with vocab sets always ask students to extend the set - e.g. with words they want for their context |
| LizziePinard |
02:43 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @brad5patterson Explain to sts why covering everything is not necessary, give them answers keys for self-study #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
02:43 |
@theteacherjames @shaunwilden @marisa_c #eltchat Maybe it's a matter of doing what you can, and letting the administration know yr position. |
| theteacherjames |
02:43 |
@CintiaStella That's a great illustration of the problem with many CB's. #eltchat |
| evab2001 |
02:43 |
@cerirhiannon me I guess but original idea was from Ken Wilson he suggested assigning sts 2 choose a reading text 4 reading aaloud #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:43 |
RT @bcnpaul1: give sts list of topics / grammar / skills from cb & ask 'em to id interesting / needed & keep going back to it to reaffirm #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
02:43 |
#eltchat when working with vocab sets always ask students to extend the set - e.g. with words they want for their context |
| Shaunwilden |
02:43 |
@sandymillin @LizziePinard #eltchat T's need to learn to recognize what ex 1,2,3 do sometimes they are merel… (cont) http://deck.ly/~hATdA |
| barbsaka |
02:44 |
@sandymillin Oh, I think it's a great thing that TBs have so much methodology built in--for some teachers that's the only training #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
02:44 |
RT @Marisa_C: Very often it's the parents that need educating abt CB use #ELTchat - but this requirese knowledgeable & strong leadership |
| cerirhiannon |
02:44 |
RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat Do live listening instead of using the coursebook one? > very nice idea :) |
| NikkiFortova |
02:44 |
@Shaunwilden exactly, many Ts don't know what the aim of the exericses are! #eltchat |
| evab2001 |
02:44 |
RT @sandymillin: RT @NikkiFortova: RT @rliberni: Also when you're having a bad day - "let's do the listening ex on page 33" is bliss! #eltchat :-) yep <3rded |
| NoraTouparlaki |
02:44 |
didn't catch up the conversation, cause I'm having a look at new C/Bs, for greek teachers is a must:((#eltchat |
| cintiastella |
02:44 |
The CB is a guide for T's and Ss but who knows our Ss better and what their actual needs & interests are? We do #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:44 |
@sandymillin i frequently ask myself about the point too!! ;) #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
02:44 |
#eltchat Do live listening instead of using the coursebook one? |
| bcnpaul1 |
02:45 |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat Do live listening instead of using the coursebook one? > very nice idea :) > yes. always |
| catsndogs |
02:45 |
have the opposite prob. in team teaching. one likes the CB recipe the other follows the Ss interests. hard to tango at times. #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02:45 |
Can a good CB make the teacher a better teacher? sorry had to ask #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:45 |
@catsndogs You can always build a task out of the language in the lesson :) #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
02:45 |
RT @SimonGreenall: @NikkiFortova #eltchat Then that's a mistake by writers and editors. Objectives of each exercise should be clear, if only in TB. |
| evab2001 |
02:45 |
and sb wrote about if the parent bought the CB ts should use, they r expensive #eltchat :( |
| LizziePinard |
02:45 |
RT @cerirhiannon: #eltchat when working with vocab sets always ask students to extend the set - e.g. with words they want for their context |
| Marisa_C |
02:45 |
@LizziePinard Indeed #eltchat |
| SimonGreenall |
02:45 |
@NikkiFortova #eltchat Then that's a mistake by writers and editors. Objectives of each exercise should be clear, if only in TB. |
| Shaunwilden |
02:45 |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat Do live listening instead of using the coursebook one? > or recast the listening in a local/personal context |
| cerirhiannon |
02:45 |
RT @antoniaclare: #eltchat Do live listening instead of using the coursebook one? > or recast the listening in a local/personal context |
| LizziePinard |
02:45 |
@Marisa_C knowledgeable and strong leadership who arent coursebook slaves themselves ;) #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:45 |
RT @evab2001 wrote about it last year #eltchat http://evasimkesyan.edublogs.org/2010/10/11/to-use-or-not-to-use-course-books/ #ELTchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02:45 |
RT @cintiastella: The CB is a guide for T's and Ss but who knows our Ss better and what their actual needs & interests are? We do #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
02:45 |
RT @evab2001: wrote about it last year #eltchat http://evasimkesyan.edublogs.org/2010/10/11/to-use-or-not-to-use-course-books/ |
| theteacherjames |
02:46 |
@sandymillin Idea: Turn a reading activity into listening, e.g. dictogloss. #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:46 |
@SimonGreenall I think I have a lower standard for what I consider a teacher-created activity :) #eltchat |
| hartle |
02:46 |
@OUPELTGlobal I think a gd teacher is a curious teacher and will always learn from a good CB and Methodology bks etc. #ELTchat |
| gknightbkk |
02:46 |
I hate writing the T Manual but it's more important than the student book #eltchat |
| yearinthelifeof |
02:46 |
The coursebook is the scientific element of language teaching. It's up to us to humanize it. #ELTchat |
| worldteacher |
02:46 |
RT @BobK99: RT @antoniaclare: '#eltchat Do live listening instead of using the coursebook one?' - I use BBC podcasts a lot >Me too! |
| SimonGreenall |
02:46 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: Can a good CB make the teacher a better teacher? sorry had to ask #eltchat> Yes, I'm convinced it can help. |
| sandymillin |
02:46 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: Can a good CB make the teacher a better teacher? sorry had to ask #eltchat <sometimes: depends on T & bckgrnd! |
| Shaunwilden |
02:46 |
@SimonGreenall erm not sure it's a mistake s/ti,mes a class doesn't need to do all 3 exercises #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
02:46 |
#eltchat Sts keep a grammar diary where they write sentences about themselves using the target grammar from cb |
| BobK99 |
02:46 |
RT @antoniaclare: '#eltchat Do live listening instead of using the coursebook one?' - I use BBC podcasts a lot |
| janetbianchini |
02:47 |
@OUPELTGlobal Not sure about that, but..with dedication and commitment, can definitely help if not naturally a good teacher,maybe? #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
02:47 |
In summ - gr8 ref books, gr8 4 consol & hwk, gr8 4 new tchrs, gr8 4 props oft -lacklustre after Unit 4 but bet with than w'out #eltchat |
| NikkiFortova |
02:47 |
@SimonGreenall agreed, 'should be' but often aren't . #eltchat |
| TNGThinx |
02:47 |
RT @esolcourses: RT @hartle: If it's Working u don't need 2 Give it a Label http://wp.me/pUvFH-3J #tefl #efl #eltchat >> well worth reading |
| SimonGreenall |
02:47 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @SimonGreenall s/ti,mes a class doesn't need to do all 3 exercises #eltchat> Yes, depends on class |
| chucksandy |
02:47 |
I always ask Ss what projects might be good / fun to do related to CB theme & they come up w/ fab ideas. Better than my own ^^ #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:47 |
@LizziePinard You doing the talking instead of a cd for example #eltchat |
| NoraTouparlaki |
02:47 |
RT @yearinthelifeof: The coursebook is the scientific element of language teaching. It's up to us to humanize it. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:47 |
RT @cerirhiannon: let ss choose which grammar exercises to do - explain what each one for, guide them to do what's useful for them #eltchat |
| evab2001 |
02:47 |
@cerirhiannon @janetbianchini @rliberni got 2 go now and use my CB have a class #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
02:47 |
let ss choose which grammar exercises to do - explain what each one for, guide them to do what's useful for them #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
02:47 |
RT @BobK99: RT @antoniaclare: '#eltchat Do live listening instead of using the coursebook one?' - I use BBC podcasts a lot >good idea |
| Marisa_C |
02:47 |
RT @theteacherjames: @sandymillin Idea: Turn a reading activity into listening, e.g. dictogloss. #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:47 |
#eltchat .live listening is what sorry? |
| sandymillin |
02:48 |
RT @LizziePinard: @chucksandy let the ss come up with ways to fun it up! why didt i think of that, love it! #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:48 |
RT @yearinthelifeof The coursebook is the scientific element of language teaching. It's up to us to humanize it. #ELTchat - gr8t quote |
| Shaunwilden |
02:48 |
RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat sorry what is dictogloss? - http://bit.ly/dVwx7g if you google you'll get lots of tips #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:48 |
@chucksandy let the ss come up with ways to fun it up! why didt i think of that, love it! #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
02:48 |
sorry, got to go an pick up the kids!! happy chatting #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:48 |
@OUPELTGlobal Maybe not, but it can make the bad teacher suck less :) #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:48 |
RT @chucksandy: I always ask Ss what projects might be good / fun to do related to CB theme & they come up w/ fab ideas. Better than my own ^^ #eltchat |
| rliberni |
02:48 |
@evab2001 have fun lol #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:48 |
@cerirhiannon Good idea - use CB activs for mixed level teaching #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
02:48 |
RT @NoraTouparlaki: RT @yearinthelifeof: The coursebook's the scientific element of language teaching. Its up to us to humanize it. #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
02:48 |
RT @theteacherjames: @sandymillin reading activity into listening, e.g. dictogloss.#eltchat >or use a snippet as a dictogloss after the fact |
| LizziePinard |
02:48 |
#eltchat sorry what is dictogloss? |
| brad5patterson |
02:48 |
Personalization! RT @antoniaclare #eltchat Sts keep grammar diary where they write sentences about themselves using target grammar from CB |
| barbsaka |
02:49 |
@gknightbkk Agree. TM is a great reality check for writers--does it actually work. #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
02:49 |
I teach two dogme style classes CB free. It's great fun but A LOT of work really, esp on low energy days. <truth be told> #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
02:49 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal Can a good CB make the teacher a better teacher?sorry had to ask #eltchat >>by knowledge maybe,but might be a bit robotic |
| rliberni |
02:49 |
Have to love you and leave you all - gr8 discussion. Fab mods as ever @barbsaka @Shaunwilden & @Marisa_C all CB free! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:49 |
@bethcagnol Hi Beth #eltchat |
| worldteacher |
02:49 |
#eltchat need to keep sts moving even if you have to use a cb - running dictations, diff groupings for diff activities, presentations, etc |
| LizziePinard |
02:49 |
RT @bcnpaul1: RT @cerirhiannon: let ss choose which grammar exercises to do - explain what each one for, guide them to do what's useful for them #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:49 |
RT @bcnpaul1: RT @cerirhiannon: let ss choose which grammar exercises to do - explain what each one for, guide them to do what's useful for them #eltchat |
| bcnpaul1 |
02:49 |
RT @cerirhiannon: let ss choose which grammar exercises to do - explain what each one for, guide them to do what's useful for them #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:49 |
@evab2001 Have a great time in class and enjoy the CB!! #ELTchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02:49 |
@barbsaka LOL #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
02:49 |
#eltchat OMG! I've been given a gift! A break until my next oral exam with a student! 10 precious minutes left with my PLN buddies! |
| NikkiFortova |
02:49 |
RT @LizziePinard: @chucksandy let the ss come up with ways to fun it up! why didt i think of that, love it! #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
02:49 |
RT @chucksandy: RT @NoraTouparlaki: RT @yearinthelifeof: The coursebook's the scientific element of language teaching. Its up to us to humanize it. #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:49 |
@catsndogs You could get dizzy with that tango :) #eltchat |
| hartle |
02:49 |
RT @antoniaclare: RT @BobK99: RT @antoniaclare: '#eltchat Do live listening instead of using the coursebook on… (cont) http://deck.ly/~CQWqW |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02:50 |
RT @Marisa_C: I think the excessive amount of material that needs to 'be got through' chews into T creativity #ELTchat #eltchat |
| cintiastella |
02:50 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: I have always let my sts interact with the book, decide if they like the text or topic - first step to autonomy and involvement #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:50 |
RT @Marisa_C: I think the excessive amount of material that needs to 'be got through' chews into T creativity #ELTchat YESx1000! |
| Shaunwilden |
02:50 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: I have always let my sts interact with the book, decide if they like the text or topic - first step to autonomy and involvement #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
02:50 |
@Shaunwilden Hiya! #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
02:50 |
I think the excessive amount of material that needs to 'be got through' chews into T creativity #ELTchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02:50 |
I have always let my sts interact with the book, decide if they like the text or topic - first step to autonomy and involvement #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
02:51 |
agh, got sucked in again! really off now - great convo - bye #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
02:51 |
RT @BethCagnol: RT @Marisa_C: I think the excessive amount of material that needs to be got through chews into T creativity >true #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
02:51 |
@SimonGreenall Salut! #ELTChat |
| LizziePinard |
02:51 |
#eltchat I have to run in a couple of mins but please can i do the summary for this discussion ? |
| Shaunwilden |
02:51 |
@Marisa_C but then again not all teachers want to be creative :-( #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
02:51 |
@chucksandy would love to be a "fly on your dogme classes's wall" #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:51 |
RT @worldteacher #eltchat need to keep sts moving even if you have to use a cb - running dictations,diff groupings 4 diff activities, presos |
| cerirhiannon |
02:51 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: let sts interact with book, decide if they like the text ... #eltchat > asking why they don't like can be v generative |
| gknightbkk |
02:51 |
@barbsaka I actually learned a lot of new activities and approaches from the Interchange TM - there I said it #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:51 |
@rliberni kisses! #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
02:51 |
RT @Marisa_C: I think the excessive amount of material that needs to 'be got through' chews into T creativity #ELTchat |
| SimonGreenall |
02:51 |
@bethcagnol #eltchat Hi Beth |
| BethCagnol |
02:52 |
#eltchat when are they going to make coursebooks like those "choose Ur fate" books. Depending on what U do, U could go in another direction. |
| Shaunwilden |
02:52 |
@Marisa_C Hmm again i disagree #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02:52 |
@chucksandy But a good CB can free teacher to focus on sts and their needs - applying the CB to them, no? #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:52 |
@Shaunwilden Ace! :-D will look through the transcript first and then try to do it all justice!! #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
02:52 |
RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden Creativity is fostered by the microclimate of an institution - not always self-generated > nice #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:52 |
Yay! RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat I have to run in a couple of mins but please can i do the summary for this discussion ? |
| janetbianchini |
02:52 |
@bethcagnol Hi Beth - nice to see you! #ELTchat |
| NikkiFortova |
02:52 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C but then again not all teachers want to be creative :-( #eltchat > or have time |
| chucksandy |
02:52 |
RT @brad5patterson: " would love to be a "fly on your dogme classess wall" >maybe we can skype u in one of these days ^^ #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:52 |
@Shaunwilden Creativity is fostered by the microclimate of an institution - not always self-generated #eltchat |
| odiep77 |
02:52 |
RT @cybraryman1: Early in my teaching career I saw the necessity to write my own material. My Curriculum Writing page: http://tinyurl.com/4njb32e #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:52 |
@gknightbkk I hated TMs until I actually wrote one. Then I was amazed at everything there :) #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
02:52 |
#eltchat great chat - thanks all, must run |
| Shaunwilden |
02:52 |
@LizziePinard with pleasure thank you for volunteering #eltchat |
| bcnpaul1 |
02:52 |
RT @Marisa_C: I think the excessive amount of material that needs to 'be got through' chews into T creativity #ELTchat >agree |
| BethCagnol |
02:53 |
RT @barbsaka: @gknightbkk I hated TMs until I actually wrote one. Then I was amazed at everything there :) #eltchat |
| hartle |
02:53 |
@fionamau Coursebooks and how to survive them :-) #ELTchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02:53 |
@BethCagnol interesting idea #eltchat |
| bcnpaul1 |
02:53 |
@fionamau the topic is arriving late for #eltchat :) |
| BobK99 |
02:53 |
@bethcagnol Hi Beth - better late than never ;-) #eltchat |
| catsndogs |
02:53 |
The guys at WorldClub wrote a very thoughtful TM. Covered the bases I felt.#eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:53 |
@Shaunwilden why? care to explain? #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:53 |
@OUPELTGlobal well yes if there is TIME think major problem is the element of time of course length vs size of coursebook! #eltchat |
| TNGThinx |
02:53 |
10 Commandments for Motivating Language Learners http://oxford.ly/mtPunw #eltchat #edchat #efl via @rliberni |
| hartle |
02:53 |
@Marisa_C sometimes the microclimate of an institution stifles too then you need to break out into personal creativity #ELTchat |
| BethCagnol |
02:53 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C but then again not all teachers want to be creative :-( #eltchat |
| fionamau |
02:53 |
#eltchat completely forgot today's wednesday... what's the topic? better late than never......... |
| BethCagnol |
02:54 |
@chucksandy @brad5patterson OOOoo!! Me too! I wanna be a dogme fly too! #ELTChat |
| hartle |
02:54 |
RT @fionamau: @bethcagnol #eltchat the new digital materials/blended courses r supposed to be set up to offer that 'choose yr fate' option... we'll see |
| NikkiFortova |
02:54 |
RT @TNGThinx: 10 Commandments for Motivating Language Learners http://oxford.ly/mtPunw #eltchat #edchat #efl via @rliberni |
| barbsaka |
02:54 |
One more resource for adapting coursebooks--publisher websites! Tons of extra activities and games for free :) #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
02:54 |
ok i have to go all, going to be late if i dont! thanks so much for this talk, been great!!!! love you all!!! #eltchat |
| fionamau |
02:54 |
@bethcagnol #eltchat the new digital materials/blended courses r supposed to be set up to offer that 'choose yr fate' option... we'll see |
| worldteacher |
02:54 |
@LizziePinard will look forward to reading it! #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
02:54 |
@chucksandy now you're talking--- could share a bit abt Paris and teaching internationally. + alrdy know 2 of yr SS from twitter #eltchat |
| gknightbkk |
02:55 |
but ries to give opportunity for creative Ts to localise the content and extend the activities #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
02:55 |
RT @BethCagnol: @chucksandy @brad5patterson OOOoo!! We'll have a room full of dogme flies ^^ let's talk abt collaborating sometime #eltchat |
| SimonGreenall |
02:55 |
RT @gknightbkk: The coursebook aims for the lowest common denominator - the lazy or uncreative T #eltchat> Disagree! |
| Shaunwilden |
02:55 |
@gknightbkk: The coursebook aims for the lowest common denominator - the lazy or uncreative T #eltchat Completely disagree |
| Marisa_C |
02:55 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C #ELTchat I think some tchrs genuinely dont want to be that creative no matter th… (cont) http://deck.ly/~Zjfnb |
| fionamau |
02:55 |
RT @hartle: @fionamau Coursebooks and how to survive them :-) #ELTchat >> using them or writing them? ;-) |
| theteacherjames |
02:55 |
@LizziePinard Dictogloss: http://bit.ly/lvRxTa #eltchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:55 |
I still think that a good CB is worth its weight in gold - less hassle, more ideas to adapt/ personalise -depends on the CB - crux! #ELTchat |
| BobK99 |
02:55 |
Pasty calls! TM for great #eltchat |
| hartle |
02:55 |
@barbsaka yes publisher websites are good like good dictionary sites #ELTchat |
| BethCagnol |
02:55 |
@janetbianchini Hiya! #ELTChat |
| sandymillin |
02:55 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C #eltchat I think some tchrs genuinely dont want to be that creative no matter... (cont) http://deck.ly/~1vPFE |
| tokyokevin |
02:55 |
Friend used to say the best benefit of ELT MA program was not having to use a teacher manual. I tend to use them more #eltchat |
| gknightbkk |
02:55 |
The coursebook aims for the lowest common denominator - the lazy or uncreative T #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
02:55 |
RT @BethCagnol: "Depending on what U do, U could go in another direction." Like life itself ^^ #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
02:55 |
@bethcagnol they'll make those "choose ur fate" books when they figure out how to monetize it... LOL :) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:55 |
RT @barbsaka: One more resource for adapting coursebooks--publisher websites! Tons of extra activities and games for free :) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:56 |
@Shaunwilden Sure thing. Agree. But there are many who would be more creative too if they were in the right environment #ELTchat |
| janetbianchini |
02:56 |
RT @bethcagnol @chucksandy @brad5patterson OOOoo!! Me too! I wanna be a dogme fly too! #ELTChat + add me too! |
| chucksandy |
02:56 |
RT @janetbianchini I still think a good CB worth its weight in gold-less hassle, more ideas to adapt/ personalise-depends on the CB #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02:56 |
RT @barbsaka: @gknightbkk I know experienced teachers who prefer coursebook so they don't have to waste creative time on recreating basics #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
02:56 |
@gknightbkk I know experienced teachers who prefer coursebook so they don't have to waste creative time on recreating basics #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02:56 |
RT @gknightbkk: The coursebook aims for the lowest common denominator - the lazy or uncreative T #eltchat Is this true? Hope not |
| hartle |
02:57 |
RT @brad5patterson: @chucksandy @BethCagnol BZZZ BZZZZ #eltchat who else wants to be a dogme flly in Chuck's c-room ? :) Me too |
| Shaunwilden |
02:57 |
@Marisa_C Yes agreed, my point is that it works both ways, my old school fostered creativity but didn't insist upon it for example #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02:57 |
RT @brad5patterson: @chucksandy @BethCagnol BZZZ BZZZZ #eltchat who else wants to be a dogme flly in Chuck's c-room ? :) - Moi! |
| NikkiFortova |
02:57 |
RT @chucksandy: RT @janetbianchini I still think a good CB worth its weight in gold-less hassle, more ideas to adapt/ personalise-depends on the CB #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
02:57 |
@chucksandy @BethCagnol BZZZ BZZZZ #eltchat who else wants to be a dogme flly in Chuck's c-room ? :) |
| barbsaka |
02:57 |
RT @janetbianchini: good CB is worth its weight in gold - less hassle, more ideas to adapt/ personalise -depends on the CB - crux! #ELTchat |
| cintiastella |
02:58 |
@brad5patterson @chucksandy @BethCagnol I'd love to be a fly in Chuck's room too but must get some teaching experience first :) #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
02:58 |
@Marisa_C @chucksandy @BethCagnol @hartle looks like you just got busier than having a 8lb CB, Chuck ! BZZZ BZZZ #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
02:58 |
@SimonGreenall Think you might be preaching to the converted here #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
02:58 |
@Marisa_C: RT @brad5patterson @BethCagnol Better yet, let's think abt how we cld all work together on something good & fun ^^ #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
02:58 |
@chucksandy @brad5patterson Totally!! #ELTChat |
| SimonGreenall |
02:58 |
#eltchat Teachers don't have to buy CBs . But DoS may do, also h/teachers and parents. Investment in TT is always better than hardware. |
| janetbianchini |
02:58 |
RT @gknightbkk: The coursebook aims for the lowest common denominator - the lazy or uncreative T #eltchat Totally disagree! |
| bcnpaul1 |
02:58 |
RT @barbsaka: I know experienced teachers who prefer coursebook so they don't have to waste creative time on recreating basics #eltchat |
| SimonGreenall |
02:59 |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @hartle: So maybe DOSs should invest more in training teachers how to use CBs effectively #ELTchat Agreed> Oh yes. |
| hartle |
02:59 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: A good CB is like a good map, only useful if you know how to use it well #eltchat yes |
| janetbianchini |
02:59 |
@hartle @brad5patterson: @chucksandy @BethCagnol BZZZ BZZZZ #eltchat who else wants to be a dogme flly in Chuck's c-room ? :) Me too Yes,! |
| Marisa_C |
02:59 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: A good CB is like a good map, only useful if you know how to use it well #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
02:59 |
@brad5patterson 8lb coursebook reminds me> the thing I hate is the weight of carrying everything around! #eltchat |
| bcnpaul1 |
02:59 |
sorry but i have to go. thanks to moderators for a joyous #eltchat :) |
| Shaunwilden |
02:59 |
RT @hartle: @SimonGreenall So maybe DOSs should invest more in training teachers how to use CBs effectively #ELTchat Agreed |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02:59 |
A good CB is like a good map, only useful if you know how to use it well #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
02:59 |
@brad5patterson @chucksandy @BethCagnol BZZZ BZZZZ #eltchat who else wants to be a dogme flly in Chuck's c-room ? :) >>count me in! |
| Marisa_C |
02:59 |
RT @hartle: @SimonGreenall So maybe DOSs should invest more in training teachers how to use CBs effectively #ELTchat |
| hartle |
02:59 |
@SimonGreenall So maybe DOSs should invest more in training teachers how to use CBs effectively #ELTchat |
| brad5patterson |
02:59 |
RT @chucksandy: RT @janetbianchini I still think a good CB worth its weight in gold-less hassle, more ideas to adapt/ personalise-depends on the CB #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
02:59 |
with @hartle too of course ^^ Bzzz Bzzz #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
03:00 |
@sandymillin ditto (8lb CB)... good lord I played sports when I was younger. LOL #eltchat |
| hartle |
03:00 |
Have to go now..exams looming :-( Nice chat thanks to all of you looking forward to reading summary #ELTchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
03:00 |
Has an hour passed already?! As usual, loved the discussion. Thanks to the moderators #eltchat |
| gknightbkk |
03:00 |
school admin wants the course 'idiot proof'. The coursebook has to work in the hands of a weak teacher. #eltchat |
| tiavi3 |
03:00 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: I've always thought of a coursebook as a map, the route I decide with my sts, as well as the pace #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
03:00 |
RT @cintiastella: Id love to be a fly in Chucks room but must get some teaching experience first:) >No, it's fun learning together #eltchat |
| BethCagnol |
03:00 |
@OUPELTGlobal Choose your fate with CB would be possible, but perhaps easier in electronic form. #ELTChat |
| cintiastella |
03:00 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal |
| barbsaka |
03:00 |
So @chucksandy needs to record and share his dogme-style course :-) #eltchat |
| NikkiFortova |
03:00 |
@sandymillin that's a good point! #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
03:00 |
@CintiaStella @chucksandy @BethCagnol i think becoming a chuck dogme fly might be a great experience, Cintia ! :) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
03:00 |
@bcnpaul1 Cheers Paul see you soon :-) #eltchat |
| barbsaka |
03:01 |
@chucksandy Naw, it would be like one of those concert videos, just following the rock stars wherever they go :) #eltchat |
| juanalejandro26 |
03:01 |
RT @janetbianchini: RT @OUPELTGlobal A good CB is like a good map, only useful if you know how to use it well #eltchat - very true indeed! |
| barbsaka |
03:01 |
Can't believe it has been an hour. Got a conference call with my lovely co-authors. Thanks for a great #eltchat! |
| BethCagnol |
03:01 |
#eltchat Weep! Must get back to oral examining. No not at the dentist... #ELTChat |
| chucksandy |
03:01 |
RT @barbsaka: But then it wouldn't be dogme-style anymore. Just another recorded class ^^ #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
03:01 |
@hartle Bye and see you soon :-) #ELTchat |
| janetbianchini |
03:01 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal A good CB is like a good map, only useful if you know how to use it well #eltchat - very true indeed! |
| BobK99 |
03:02 |
@sandymillin At my TP, there was a T who had a little trolley that she trailed everywhere - OK, as building was wh/chair-friendly! #eltchat |
| chucksandy |
03:02 |
Thanks all! Gotta run too but had fun & looking forward to collaborating w/ the new flies. Count me as one & let's do something ^^ #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
03:02 |
@Marisa_C Summary writer is @LizziePinard - she volunteered a few minutes ago :) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
03:02 |
The 9pm chat is on 'How to be a good online teacher? ' #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
03:02 |
@bethcagnol #eltchat Thanks to all for a greeeeaaat chat! Summary anyone? I seem to remember some rainchecks! :-) |
| yitzha_sarwono |
03:02 |
woah 7pm already? #eltchat sure has got the traffic jam here feels like a smooth ride! Thanks @Shaunwilden @barbsaka @Marisa_C @rliberni |
| worldteacher |
03:02 |
#eltchat Thanks to the mods & all the participants for another great chat!! |
| OUPELTGlobal |
03:02 |
Thanks every1. I think I can relax a bit now - LOL #eltchat |
| cintiastella |
03:02 |
Thank you everyone! It's definitely worth getting up http://twitter.com/#early to participate in #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
03:03 |
@worldteacher #eltchat Lovely!!!!!! Thanks! |
| sandymillin |
03:03 |
@BobK99 Have 2 admit 2 having illegally downloaded copies of books, as then I have them all on computer w/ no extra weight :s #eltchat |
| yitzha_sarwono |
03:03 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: A good CB is like a good map, only useful if you know how to use it well #eltchat |
| rliberni |
03:03 |
RT @Shaunwilden: The 9pm chat is on 'How to be a good online teacher? ' #eltchat |
| SimonGreenall |
03:03 |
#eltchat Thanks to moderators, glad to have time to join in. hey @Marisa_C wot news? Big hug. |
| janetbianchini |
03:03 |
Can't believe an hour's flown past. Thank you to a fab #ELTchat The "buzzz" was absolutely great and has energised me here in Abruzzo. |
| Marisa_C |
03:04 |
@SimonGreenall Thanks for joining - hugs back :-) #eltchat |
| brad5patterson |
03:04 |
Thanks for the great #eltchat all ! And a big thanks to the moderators. :) |
| chakoeng |
03:04 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: A good CB is like a good map, only useful if you know how to use it well #eltchat |
| cintiastella |
03:05 |
Have a great day everyone! I've learned tons today.Thank you! Thank you! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
03:05 |
@janetbianchini Hya - thanks for joining! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
03:05 |
@worldteacher @Shaunwilden Getting transcript pronto! #ELTchat |
| janetbianchini |
03:05 |
Thanks to all moderators and all! Would love to attend tonight's chat but depends on time factors. Ciao, ciao!! #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
03:05 |
What would you do w/ Humpty Dumpty? http://wp.me/p1sbtu-1q #infiniteeltideas #eltchat #efl #elt #esol #esl #tesol #tefl |
| naomishema |
03:06 |
#eltchat - thanks all! |
| theteacherjames |
03:06 |
@OUPELTGlobal Put your feet up, you've earned it! Really enjoyed your contributions. #Eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
03:06 |
Thanks to @Shaunwilden and @barbsaka for great moderation - #ELTchat |
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