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Non-native teachers of English and Insecurities about teaching a language not their L1

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This is the transcript of the #ELTchat on 27.04.2011 at 21:00 P.M. London time

 

Marisa_C

10:58

Join us for #ELTChat on NNEST's (like me)  & their insecurities about teaching a language that isn't their mother tongue!

Marisa_C

10:59

@ShellTerrell no you! Me! #ELTChat

ShellTerrell

10:59

RT @Marisa_C: Join us for #ELTChat on NNEST's (like me)  & their insecurities about teaching a language that isn't their mother tongue!

harrisonmike

11:00

RT @Shaunwilden: It's #eltchat time  - NNEST's & their insecurities about teaching a language that isn't their mother tongue

Shaunwilden

11:00

It's #eltchat time  - NNEST's & their insecurities about teaching a language that isn't their mother tongue

teachingenglish

11:01

RT @Shaunwilden: It's #eltchat time  - NNEST's & their insecurities about teaching a language that isn't their mother tongue

Marisa_C

11:01

RT @ShellTerrell: Welcome to #ELTChat can you let us know if you are a NNest and what you struggle with

ShellTerrell

11:01

Welcome to #ELTChat can you let us know if you are a NNest and what you struggle with

harrisonmike

11:01

#eltchat personally, I wud find it so difficult 2 teach a lang that's not my own. I kno Spanish relatively well, but nt sure abt teaching it

Marisa_C

11:01

For the next hour my tweets are going to be dedicated to #ELTchat - we are talking about non-native speaker teachers & insecurities in L2

Shaunwilden

11:02

RT @tarabenwell: I'm afraid I won't have much to add but will lurk. Just want to say that I admire all of you NNESTs teaching English! #ELTChat

tarabenwell

11:02

I'm afraid I won't have much to add but will lurk. Just want to say that I admire all of you NNESTs teaching English! #ELTChat

legyened

11:02

In football, NS coaches feel insecure! They even fake NNS accents to sound more like Mourinho, Guardiola  etc http://bit.ly/cUCBZw #eltchat

lauraesol

11:02

RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat personally, I wud find it so difficult 2 teach a lang that's not my own. I kno Span… (cont) http://deck.ly/~nQet7

hakan_sentrk

11:02

Hello my name is Hakan and I am a NEST! #eltchat

harrisonmike

11:03

@hakan_sentrk Freudian slip, Hakan!! #eltchat

hakan_sentrk

11:03

oops that should have been NNest.!! #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:03

Not NNEST but not exactly a NEST, 1st language was ChE, didn't realize it was incorrect English until I switched schls in 2nd grade #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:03

I am a NNEST and I am afraid I am not insecure - and that's what I'm afraid of - of what i THINK I know :-D #eltchat

shaznosel

11:03

#eltchat Im a NEST but here to support and praise you amazing NNESTs

shaznosel

11:04

RT @theteacherjames: RT @tarabenwell: I'm afraid I won't have much to add but will lurk. Just want to say that I admire all of you NNESTs teaching Eng! #ELTChat

ShellTerrell

11:04

RT @Marisa_C: I am a NNEST and I am afraid I am not insecure - and that's what I'm afraid of - of what i THINK I know :-D #eltchat

japglish

11:04

Not sure the NST/NNST is that relevant - there are lots of bilingual/multilingual/dialects/accents that do not conform neatly #eltchat

theteacherjames

11:04

RT @tarabenwell: I'm afraid I won't have much to add but will lurk. Just want to say that I admire all of you NNESTs teaching Eng! #ELTChat

yohimar

11:04

RT @Marisa_C: For the next hour my tweets are going to be dedicated to #ELTchat - we are talking about (cont) http://tl.gd/a4a9q7

ShellTerrell

11:04

One thing I struggled with by speaking in a dialect was my pronunciation & even now Im very self-conscious about it #ELTChat

hakan_sentrk

11:04

@harrisonmike that I guess would be one way to explain it!! #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11:05

RT @teachingenglish: #ELTChat  the advantage a NNest has over a native speaker is empathy - having learnt the language they know what  their sts are going thru

hakan_sentrk

11:05

it is not the dialect or a certain accent that is a problem but sometimes pronouncing words that you haven't ever heard before #eltchat

naomishema

11:05

#eltchat Hi all! I work with a lot of NNesters and they have the advantage of having grown up in the system , know SS point of view well

Marisa_C

11:05

@lauraesol The idea that NNESTs teach grammar better is sometimes not actually correct - they more confident of FORM usually #ELTchat

harrisonmike

11:05

I guess one overarching fact 4 me considering this question for #eltchat wud be that (I think) there is no ONE ENGLISH in this world anymore

legyened

11:05

NNESTs are the best role models for lang learners and are usually more effective (unless the NEST has learned L1 to a high level) #eltchat

cunningcanis

11:05

@tarabenwell agree with u , I'm nu 2 teaching so hats off non native spkrs teaching #ELTchat

englishatworkbr

11:05

RT @teachingenglish: RT @Shaunwilden: It's #eltchat time  - NNEST's & their insecurities about teaching a language that isn't their mother tongue

jurylady

11:05

RT @ShellTerrell: Welcome to #ELTChat can you let us know if you are a NNest and what you struggle with

teachingenglish

11:05

#ELTChat  the advantage a NNest has over a native speaker is empathy - having learnt the language they know what  their sts are going thru

ShellTerrell

11:05

RT @legyened: In football, NS coaches feel insecure! They even fake NNS accents to sound more like Mourinho, Guardiola  etc http://bit.ly/cUCBZw #eltchat

lauraesol

11:05

#ELTchat I think you NNESTS are great/ Especially the standard of English that you produce.  I am sure you teach grammar better than a NS

Shaunwilden

11:06

@hakan_sentrk Yes but NESTs have that trouble as well :-)  #eltchat

shaznosel

11:06

@TeachingEnglish #eltchat. I think NESTS have sympathy if living themselves in a foreign country, as they understand the dilemas

japglish

11:06

@ShellTerrell  But Shelly, I have a pretty strong London accent, not at all RP, which I wear as badge of pride #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:06

RT @naomishema: #eltchat Hi all! I work with a lot of NNesters and they have the advantage of having grown up in the system , know SS point of view well

ShellTerrell

11:06

RT @harrisonmike: I guess one overarching fact 4 me considering this question for #eltchat wud be that (I think) there is no ONE ENGLISH in this world anymore

ShellTerrell

11:06

@divyabrochier Chicano English, its a dialect according to the linguistics class I took #ELTchat

harrisonmike

11:06

RT @Marisa_C: @lauraesol The idea that NNESTs teach grammar better is sometimes not actually correct - they more confident of FORM usually #ELTchat

Marisa_C

11:07

I think this chat is not so much abt the advantages of being a NNEST but about how to overcome insicuriets - real or imagined #ELTchat

harrisonmike

11:07

@Shaunwilden @hakan_sentrk & spelling! License gets me all the time! I say 2 sts that if I don't use a word regularly I hve 2 check #eltchat

nutrich

11:07

RT @japglish: Not sure the NST/NNST is that relevant - there are lots of bilingual/multilingual/dialects/accents that do not conform neatly #eltchat

hakan_sentrk

11:07

@Shaunwilden but are they instantly corrected by someone with a "how dare you" look? #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:07

@naomishema Really great point Naomi! I do believe thats an advantage :-) #Eltchat

Marisa_C

11:07

RT @Shaunwilden: @hakan_sentrk Yes but NESTs have that trouble as well :-)  #eltchat

teachingenglish

11:08

@Marisa_C perhaps it would be good to start identifying those insecurities  - what are they? #ELTChat

Shaunwilden

11:08

RT @japglish: I have a pretty strong London accent, not at all RP, which I wear as badge of pride #eltchat Agr… (cont) http://deck.ly/~f7065

ShellTerrell

11:08

@japglish Yes but I was picked on because of my pronunciation issues & had to take speech therapy classes #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:08

nice spelling #ELTchat

shaznosel

11:08

RT @Marisa_C: I think this chat is not so much abt the advantages of being a NNEST but about how to overcome insicuriets - real or imagined #ELTchat

japglish

11:09

@ShellTerrell  ...but, having a working class accent in the distinctly middle class British Council was NOT an advantage #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:09

RT @TeachingEnglish: @Marisa_C perhaps it would be good to start identifying those insecurities  - what are they? #ELTChat > Good idea

divyabrochier

11:10

RT @shaznosel: #eltchat I guess, the insecurities a NNEST has about pronunciation, a NEST has about teaching grammar

harrisonmike

11:10

Seriously? Wow RT @ShellTerrell: I have NNESTs friends who haven't been allowed 2 present at ELT conferences, I kno that's an issue #eltchat

divyabrochier

11:10

#eltchat would any of the NNEST describe their knowledge of English as "instinctive"?Discrepancies with NEST/their respective dialects aside

Shaunwilden

11:10

@TeachingEnglish I would say based on what colleagues say,  they fear what they teach is not correct english  #eltchat

flocabulary

11:10

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shaznosel

11:10

#eltchat I guess, the insecurities a NNEST has about pronunciation, a NEST has about teaching grammar

naomishema

11:10

#ELTChat some of the teachers who immigrated from Russia suffer because of the way they pronounce "h". parents complain sometimes

ShellTerrell

11:10

I have NNESTs friends who haven't been allowed to present at ELT conferences, I know that's an issue #eltchat

harrisonmike

11:10

So what strategies do NNESTs use to keep up with their teaching? #eltchat

annabooklover

11:11

Is it already #eltchat time? Am I terribly late? Hello eveyone

ShellTerrell

11:11

RT @Marisa_C: One very obvious insecurity is the questions of pronunciation - Ts want to be good models and some have serious issues #ELTchat

harrisonmike

11:11

Podcasts so widely available, NNESTs can expose themselves to different UK and world English accents without having to travel #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:11

RT @fionamau: #eltchat I've taught French & more often Spanish. I had 2 prepare more than Eng coz adult sts wanted 2 catch me out,but teens were great

Shaunwilden

11:11

@pysproblem81 Modified?  #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:11

One very obvious insecurity is the questions of pronunciation - Ts want to be good models and some have serious issues #ELTchat

lauraesol

11:11

#ELTchat It seems we all have the same problems???

pacogascon

11:11

Hi everybody, jumping in #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:11

@japglish @divyabrochier I think accents are beautiful #eltchat

pysproblem81

11:11

@japglish @ShellTerrell  not sure this is related... but my accent modified itself (!?) when I was teaching abroad... #eltchat

fionamau

11:11

#eltchat I've taught French & more often Spanish. I had 2 prepare more than Eng coz adult sts wanted 2 catch me out,but teens were great

harrisonmike

11:12

@ShellTerrell @pysproblem81 I'm the same, even now - teaching voice and with-mates voice #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:12

RT @NoraTouparlaki: @Shaunwilden  #ELTchat I can tell from myself, try to stick on grammar rules, and not mak… (cont) http://deck.ly/~H1bSA

hakan_sentrk

11:12

those insecurities are usually connected to pronunciation and usage problems.... #eltchat

pacogascon

11:12

im not that worried bout pronunctiation #eltchat

naomishema

11:12

#eltchat - parents and accents are the biggest insecurity issue for teachers as far as I can tell, as parents don't always see great work

vbenevolofranca

11:12

Hi everyone, joining in now and trying to catch up. #eltchat

teachingenglish

11:12

@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden #ELTChat  one way forward is for the teacher to stop trying to be the L2 expert  and to take on role as facilitator

ShellTerrell

11:12

So true! RT @japglish: yup, a great fan of accents and important part of identity #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:12

@pysproblem81 What do you mean by modified? #Eltchat

divyabrochier

11:12

@ShellTerrell #Eltchat I agree completely:)

Marisa_C

11:12

@annabooklover Hello Anna and welcome  #eltchat

japglish

11:12

@ShellTerrell @divyabrochier  yup, a great fan of accents and important part of identity #eltchat

DinaDobrou

11:13

Apologies I'm a bit late. Hello. I know it's the NEST/NNEST issue but can sb post the exact question plz? Thnx. #ELTchat

harrisonmike

11:13

@pysproblem81 My PGCE mentor got her RP from years spent in Brazil #eltchat

pinarmanici

11:13

Indeed! RT @shaznozel #eltchat I guess, the insecurities a NNEST has about pronunciation, a NEST has about teaching grammar

Marisa_C

11:13

RT @ShellTerrell: Many times I see students discriminate against NNESTs & demand a native speaking teacher #ELTChat

pacogascon

11:13

usage is the hardest button to button #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:13

Many times I see students discriminate against NNESTs & demand a native speaking teacher #ELTChat

Shaunwilden

11:13

RT @teachingenglish: @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden #ELTChat  one way forward is for the teacher to stop trying to be the L2 expert  and to take on role as facilitator

teachingenglish

11:14

@ShellTerrell #ELTChat  I think this attitude is changing as people realise that most English is spoken between NN

Shaunwilden

11:14

RT @Marisa_C: And many schools indeed discriminate against NNESTs #ELTchat Far too many, the discrimination can be shocking s/times

DinaDobrou

11:14

OK. Insecurities. Got it. #ELTchat

harrisonmike

11:14

@DinaDobrou Insecurities that NNESTs have and how to get over them =) #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:14

@harrisonmike @pysproblem81 I think I dont switch because of the speech therapy #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:14

And many schools indeed discriminate against NNESTs #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

11:14

@NoraTouparlaki  #eltchat yes thats what my colleagues used to do, stick to the rules, then question us in th… (cont) http://deck.ly/~M7IDf

pacogascon

11:15

I feel insecure about collocations, sounding natural #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:15

@hakan_sentrk Actually when taking my CELTA I found grammar was known more by my NNESTs colleagues #eltchat CC @Marisa_C

Marisa_C

11:15

@TeachingEnglish I think not - British Council jobs are almost a no no for most NNESTs - sorry - I know  #ELTChat

Marisa_C

11:15

@vbenevolofranca @DinaDobrou  #eltchat Hello and welcome  #ELTchat

hakan_sentrk

11:15

teaching grammar is easier for a Nest since he/she has learned the language consciously  and knows whats going on #eltchat

pysproblem81

11:16

@Shaunwilden There is a business angle to this sometimes - rightly or wrongly Ss often want NESTs #eltchat

pacogascon

11:16

@Marisa_C internet, dictionary #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:16

Agree this is an issue! RT @hakan_sentrk: RT @pacogascon: I feel insecure about collocations, sounding natural #eltchat agree

mkofab

11:16

My first #ELTchat so I will just listen (read) I suppose;-)

shaznosel

11:16

#eltchat As teachers, we are performers and all have insecurities..it's nature' s  way when 'on stage'

divyabrochier

11:16

RT @Marisa_C: @TeachingEnglish I think not - British Council jobs are almost a no no for most NNESTs - sorry - I know  #ELTChat

Marisa_C

11:16

RT @pacogascon: I feel insecure about collocations, sounding natural #eltchat > very good point - How do you check?

ShellTerrell

11:16

@TeachingEnglish I hope so but in Germany & US it hasn't changed much in my experience #ELTChat

hakan_sentrk

11:16

RT @pacogascon: I feel insecure about collocations, sounding natural #eltchat agree

hakan_sentrk

11:17

@Marisa_C  best way to check is ask a native, they usually know how right or wrong it feels., which NNests might lack.. #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:17

@TeachingEnglish I agree about supporting - here we are talking about HIRING :-)  #ELTChat

ShellTerrell

11:17

RT @NoraTouparlaki: have also faced that, that's because of the flow of the speech native teachers have #eltchat

DinaDobrou

11:17

@Marisa_C @TeachingEnglish Not only. Even jobs abroad clearly state: NESTS only (with a passport from an English speaking country) #ELTchat

divyabrochier

11:17

@vbenevolofranca I don't think this should be an official label but the role the teacher choses to take on in the class #eltchat

harrisonmike

11:17

RT @pinarmanici: I don't think NNESTs should speak like NESTs to teach English.We have inventions called "language awareness" and "learner autonomy" #eltchat

teachingenglish

11:17

@Marisa_C #ELTChat it depends on the country I think - the British Council does a lot to support NNESTs too

Shaunwilden

11:17

RT @pacogascon: I feel insecure about collocations, sounding natural #eltchat after 15 years living abroad s… (cont) http://deck.ly/~9Cy8v

ShellTerrell

11:17

RT @pinarmanici: I don't think NNESTs should speak like NESTs to teach English.We have inventions called "language awareness" and "learner autonomy" #eltchat

abfromz

11:17

RT @mkofab: My first #ELTchat so I will just listen (read) I suppose;-) >me too!

Marisa_C

11:17

@pacogascon I tend to google  a lot and use concordancers and collocation samplers #eltchat

japglish

11:17

@pacogascon  I think you should have a look at transcripts of natural conversation among native speakers - total gibberish #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:17

@mkofab Welcome to #ELTChat if you have anything to add feel free but lurking allowed

pinarmanici

11:17

I don't think NNESTs should speak like NESTs to teach English.We have inventions called "language awareness" and "learner autonomy" #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:18

Use twitter to check against colleagues - #ELTchat - I find this a quick a fab solution

divyabrochier

11:18

@Marisa_C nice Marisa:) #eltchat

pinarmanici

11:18

My teacher used to say /flud/ for flood buy dont i know the correct one? I do. #eltchat

jurylady

11:18

RT @Marisa_C: Join us for #ELTChat on NNEST's (like me)  & their insecurities about teaching a language that isn't their mother tongue!

naomishema

11:18

#eltchat Sorry all, can't "stay out" this late tonight - hope to be able to attend a full chat next week!

Marisa_C

11:18

@hakan_sentrk That's always a great idea - but in the absence of a handy native, google it  #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11:18

@pysproblem81 Yes  i can understand that but schools need to explain to them the ads of NNESTs not just not employ them  #eltchat

grahamstanley

11:18

@Marisa_C #ELTChat  fair point - again, this happens in some countries, but I agree - not all

divyabrochier

11:18

RT @Marisa_C: @TeachingEnglish I agree about supporting - here we are talking about HIRING :-)  #ELTChat

NoraTouparlaki

11:18

RT @pinarmanici: I don't think NNESTs should speak like NESTs to teach English.We have inventions called "language awareness" and "learner autonomy" #eltchat

japglish

11:19

@pacogascon  I can understand that, but you would be surprised just HOW inaccurate fast NS speech really is #eltchat

hakan_sentrk

11:19

RT @Marisa_C: Use twitter to check against colleagues - #ELTchat - I find this a quick a fab solution -agree

tarabenwell

11:19

@englishraven had a great post or comment somewhere about eliminating the word NNEST. #ELTChat Anyone know how to find it?

ShellTerrell

11:19

Yes I've know a few now RT @Marisa_C: And many schools indeed discriminate against NNESTs #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

11:19

@mkofab Hi, welcome to #eltchat

pysproblem81

11:19

@Shaunwilden that's a good point... think it's tricky to communicate though - do some schools do it? #eltchat

BethCagnol

11:19

RT @cerirhiannon: #eltchat hi, everyone, arriving late, going to lurk till I catch up :)

Marisa_C

11:19

@hakan_sentrk true #eltchat

annabooklover

11:19

I've insecurities 2, but I don't let it show in class. Students convinced I'm English.They ask me "Are U from inside England miss?" #eltchat

hakan_sentrk

11:19

@Marisa_C  sure I google it or perform a google fight but sometimes you cannot trust the Internet since it is full of NNESTs!! #eltchat

pacogascon

11:19

@cerirhiannon HI #eltchat

divyabrochier

11:19

RT @pysproblem81: @Shaunwilden There is a business angle to this sometimes - rightly or wrongly Ss often want NESTs #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11:19

#eltchat hi, everyone, arriving late, going to lurk till I catch up :)

DinaDobrou

11:20

RT @ShellTerrell: If you're a NNEST & are discriminated from a position or doing a presentation let your PLN know because we'll support you #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

11:20

RT @ShellTerrell: If you're a NNEST & are discriminated from a position or doing a presentation let your PLN know because we'll support you #ELTchat

pacogascon

11:20

@japglish @cerirhiannon well, thats a relief #eltchat

BethCagnol

11:20

RT @teachingenglish: #ELTChat  the advantage a NNest has over a native speaker is empathy - having learnt the language they know what  their sts are going thru

Shaunwilden

11:20

@pysproblem81 I hope so, I like to think i changed the school i worked at in that way :-) #ELTchat

ShellTerrell

11:20

If you're a NNEST & are discriminated from a position or doing a presentation let your PLN know because we'll support you #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11:20

RT @japglish: @pacogascon  I can understand that, but you would be surprised just HOW inaccurate fast NS speech really is #eltchat

japglish

11:21

@pacogascon @cerirhiannon  it's a fact and one of the biggest arguments against inauthentic dialogues in course books #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:21

RT @NoraTouparlaki: @annabooklover is it right to hide it??#ELTchat

pacogascon

11:21

RT @TeachingEnglish: #ELTChat  the advantage a NNest has over a native speaker is empathy - good insight

Marisa_C

11:21

@NoraTouparlaki Nora can you pls add the #ELTchat hashtag?

cerirhiannon

11:22

RT @grahamstanley: @DinaDobrou @ShellTerrell #ELTChat look at roots of this discrimination > usually marketing NSs sold as USP

BethCagnol

11:22

RT @ShellTerrell: @japglish @divyabrochier I think accents are beautiful #eltchat

grahamstanley

11:22

@DinaDobrou @ShellTerrell #ELTChat  it would be interesting to look at the roots of this discrimination  - then maybe it can be stopped

cerirhiannon

11:22

RT @japglish: @pacogascon @cerirhiannon  it's a fact and one of the biggest arguments against inauthentic dialogues in course books #eltchat

divyabrochier

11:23

#eltchat @grahamstanley I think the root is in the fact that we teach language, which is not a "subject" but a whole form of communication

hakan_sentrk

11:23

root is usually customers who demand native speakers #eltchat

tarabenwell

11:23

Love this great post: Can NNEST do Dogme? via @lunas994: http://lunas994.blogspot.com/2010/11/raised-by-nnests.html  #ELTChat

japglish

11:23

@cerirhiannon @grahamstanley @DinaDobrou @ShellTerrell  students themselves to be honest push for NSTs #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:23

I know that @kenwilsonlondon is a huge supporter of NNEST, often blogs about it #eltchat http://bit.ly/Rxabo

cerirhiannon

11:23

RT @pacogascon: googling 4 mistakes can be misleading as long as lots of sites are written by NNspeakers #eltchat > :)  that's ELF for you!

lauraesol

11:23

RT @lauraesol: @pacogascon empathy is gained when you travel in another country too #eltchat

pacogascon

11:23

googling 4 mistakes can be misleading as long as lots of sites are written by NNspeakers #eltchat

DinaDobrou

11:24

@Marisa_C @TeachingEnglish Wanted to say here: I would be OK if you were even given a chance to prove you're worth your salt. #ELTchat

grahamstanley

11:24

@japglish #ELTChat  yes, but why is that? I know in Spain it comes from history of many NNESTs poor language level - this is changing though

sandymillin

11:24

@mkofab Welcome! And jump in whenever you feel like it :) #ELTchat

Marisa_C

11:24

@tarabenwell The question of doing dogme does plague many NNESTs I know - what if I don't feel confident abt emergent lang?  #ELTChat

BethCagnol

11:24

RT @ShellTerrell: I know that @kenwilsonlondon is a huge supporter of NNEST, often blogs about it #eltchat http://bit.ly/Rxabo

cerirhiannon

11:24

RT @japglish students themselves to be honest push for NSTs #eltchat > not always, have been in sits where beginners prefer NNs

ShellTerrell

11:24

RT @BethCagnol: #eltchat do any of you think that maybe one should teach their non-native language B4 they can really judge on NNS insecurities?

Shaunwilden

11:24

RT @divyabrochier: #eltchat @grahamstanley I think the root is in the fact that we teach language, which is not a "subject" but a whole form of communication

BethCagnol

11:24

#eltchat do any of you think that maybe one should teach their non-native language B4 they can really judge on NNS insecurities?

pacogascon

11:25

@sandymillin @Marisa_C I rely n concordancers rather than google #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:25

RT @BethCagnol: #eltchat What urks me are job ads that ask for NS only.

ShellTerrell

11:25

@bethcagnol Good question! #eltchat

BethCagnol

11:25

#eltchat What urks me are job ads that ask for NS only.

annabooklover

11:25

RT @divyabrochier: #eltchat @grahamstanley I think the root is in the fact that we teach language, which is not a "subject" but a whole form of communication

pacogascon

11:25

@cerirhiannon @japglish Yes, thats my case 12 year olds feel insecure and prefer spanish teachers #eltchat

sandymillin

11:25

RT @Marisa_C: @pacogascon I tend to google  a lot and use concordancers and collocation samplers #eltchat <me2 and I'm a NEST :)

DinaDobrou

11:25

@cerirhiannon @grahamstanley @ShellTerrell Sorry, didn't get that. USP? #ELTchat

harrisonmike

11:25

Language is not content. I don't think enuf ppl see it this way. Hence the grammar-mcnuggetised coursebook hegemony&worries abt it! #eltchat

BethCagnol

11:25

RT @ShellTerrell: If you're a NNEST & are discriminated from a position or doing a presentation let your PLN know because we'll support you #ELTchat

divyabrochier

11:25

#eltchat @grahamstanley and so there's an insecurity on both sides

cerirhiannon

11:25

RT @bethcagnol: #eltchat maybe one should teach their non-native language B4 they can really judge on NNS insecurities? > it helps!

DinaDobrou

11:26

@tarabenwell @lunas994 I wanted to say that one of my insecurities is dogme at advanced level. Can't walk into class just like that #ELTchat

sandymillin

11:26

RT @pacogascon: @Marisa_C I rely n concordancers rather than google #eltchat <think bth r useful. Some concordancers don't have things I say

cerirhiannon

11:26

RT @Marisa_C: @divyabrochier #ELTchat on both sides, for sure, NEST trainees usually go into rigor mortis when they 1st see a grammar book

NikkiFortova

11:26

RT @pacogascon: @sandymillin @Marisa_C I rely n concordancers rather than google #eltchat> definitely more reliable :-)

theteacherjames

11:26

RT @japglish: @pacogascon  I can understand that, but you would be surprised just HOW inaccurate fast NS speech really is #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11:26

RT @pacogascon: @cerirhiannon @japglish Yes, 12 year olds feel insecure and prefer spanish teachers #eltchat > same w adults in Hungary

Marisa_C

11:26

@divyabrochier #ELTchat on both sides, for sure, NEST trainees usually go into rigor mortis when they 1st see a grammar book

ShellTerrell

11:26

@bethcagnol worked for an institution where they not only wouldnt hire NNESTs but they wouldnt hire NESTs with strong accents #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11:26

RT @bethcagnol: #eltchat What urks me are job ads that ask for NS only - Me too though occasionally it is a visa thing

japglish

11:26

@grahamstanley  Perhaps, but likely to be connected to history of colonialism and identity issues I'd say #eltchat

sandymillin

11:27

@Marisa_C Yep, or when at school I walk into the staffroom! Even as a NEST, question my lang all the time! #ELTchat

pacogascon

11:27

@japglish @theteacherjames  yes but NS take mistakes for granted, it happens to me when speaking spanish #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:27

@bethcagnol I thought Spanish & was insecure even though I learned Spanish when I was younger #eltchat

hakan_sentrk

11:27

@surreallyno what do you mean with "misuse"? #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11:27

harking back 2an earlier #eltchat on the subject, it's teaching competence and awareness of the language & learners' needs that are imp

teachingenglish

11:27

@Marisa_C this is why a move to facilitating is a good idea #ELTChat

surreallyno

11:27

I am a NNspeaker and still find it irritating for a teacher to misuse language on the basis that they are NNs.  Am I being arrogant?#ELTchat

sandymillin

11:27

RT @Marisa_C: Join us for #ELTChat on NNEST's (like me)  & their insecurities about teaching a language that isn't their mother tongue!

BethCagnol

11:27

@ShellTerrell I've never taught another language other than English, so I'm trying to be careful with my thoughts here. #ELTChat

Marisa_C

11:27

@sandymillin that's right - and not enough of a corpus to use #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:28

@pinarmanici I believe it! #Eltchat

surreallyno

11:28

@hakan_sentrk  I refer to all language levels - pronunciation, syntax, morphology, semantics. #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

11:28

@surreallyno But native speakers can be guilty of teaching 'wrong' stuff as well #ELTchat

sandymillin

11:28

@hakan_sentrk @Marisa_C But saying "the internet is full of NNESTs" promotes idea that only NEST English is 'right' :( #eltchat

harrisonmike

11:28

@surreallyno What about if they misuse (i.e. when using a non-teaching register) as a native speaker? #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:28

@surreallyno No - but there is research abt that NNESTs much less tolerant to errors of accuracy than NESTs #ELTchat

divyabrochier

11:28

#eltchat @hakan_sentrk and thus a lot more instinctive (sorry to keep using this word) which is why an NEST might question a NNEST's ability

Shaunwilden

11:28

@surreallyno No sure i understand #ELTchat

teachingenglish

11:28

RT @cerirhiannon: harking back 2an earlier #eltchat ...it's teaching competence and awareness of the language & learners' needs that are imp

DinaDobrou

11:28

@japglish @cerirhiannon @grahamstanley @ShellTerrell Here in Greece, sts' parents push more. #ELTchat

surreallyno

11:28

Many of my st. had problems precisely because of the wrong use of language by previous educators.#ELTchat

tarabenwell

11:28

Have you ever seen an ad that said school would only hire teachers who had learned a second language? #ELTChat Might be more sensible

tarabenwell

11:29

RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: @surreallyno But native speakers can be guilty of teaching 'wrong' stuff as well #ELTchat > Very true

shaznosel

11:29

@cerirhiannon  #eltchat same problem in Greece..actually had parents complain that a NEST should not be teaching grammar

annabooklover

11:29

RT @tarabenwell: Have you ever seen an ad that said school would only hire teachers who had learned a second language? #ELTChat Might be more sensible

surreallyno

11:29

I think a good teacher strives for excellence. We expect that from our students, don't we...? #ELTchat

Marisa_C

11:29

@Shaunwilden I ve seen many lessons like that by NESTs #ELTchat

divyabrochier

11:29

RT @sandymillin: @hakan_sentrk @Marisa_C But saying "the internet is full of NNESTs" promotes idea that only NEST English is 'right' :( #eltchat

teachingenglish

11:29

RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: @surreallyno But native speakers can be guilty of teaching 'wrong' stuff as well #ELTchat > Very true

theteacherjames

11:29

@BethCagnol @teachingenglish Empathy - the teacher could have learned another language. #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:29

RT @pinarmanici: wasn't hired once just coz I was Turkish (In Turkey). She made it clear she liked me but parents expect a NEST #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:29

RT @Shaunwilden: @surreallyno But native speakers can be guilty of teaching 'wrong' stuff as well #ELTchat > Very true

pacogascon

11:29

RT @Marisa_C: @surreallyno No - but there is research abt that NNESTs much less tolerant to errors of accuracy than NESTs #ELTchat TRUE

BethCagnol

11:29

@Shaunwilden Here in France, I find NS are kept out of the public system and in the private system, the NNS are shunned. #ELTChat

pacogascon

11:30

RT @shaznosel  #eltchat same problem in Greece..actually had parents complain that a NEST should not be teaching grammar>How come?!

lauraesol

11:30

#eltchat re NNESTS http://bit.ly/mAsnXr

divyabrochier

11:30

@shaznosel #eltchat that's hilarious!:)

sedayyildirim

11:30

am I late ? :) @lauraesol #eltchat

harrisonmike

11:30

@sandymillin @Marisa_C @hakan_sentrk Let's not 4get that there r wider issues when using internet Engl (po rn, gaming lang, txtspk) #eltchat

surreallyno

11:30

@TeachingEnglish True. But the percentage is way smaller. #ELTchat

BethCagnol

11:30

@ShellTerrell Geez, DM me the institution and I'll apply with a thick accent from North Carolina. ;-) #ELTChat

hakan_sentrk

11:30

to what extent are mistakes forgiven? Does the teacher know its a mistake at that moment? #ELTchat

divyabrochier

11:30

RT @shaznosel: @cerirhiannon  #eltchat same problem in Greece..actually had parents complain that a NEST should not be teaching grammar

teachingenglish

11:30

RT @theteacherjames: @BethCagnol  Empathy - the teacher could have learned another language. #eltchat > the teacher SHOULD I think

jurylady

11:30

RT @ShellTerrell: Many times I see students discriminate against NNESTs & demand a native speaking teacher #ELTChat

Shaunwilden

11:30

@Marisa_C Yes me  too, the joys of being a teacher trainer with NESTs who are ignorant of their own language :-) #ELTchat

divyabrochier

11:31

RT @Shaunwilden: @hakan_sentrk It's this idea of mistakes - I live in the Uk now and hear more 'mistakes' now than I did in when I lived abroad #ELTchat

Marisa_C

11:31

@pacogascon Myths legends and handmedown untruths #eltchat

theteacherjames

11:31

@pacogascon @japglish  But it shows the folly of the native speaker as model, surely? #eltchat

elisacazorla

11:31

RT @teachingenglish: RT @theteacherjames: @BethCagnol  Empathy - the teacher could have learned another language. #eltchat > the teacher SHOULD I think

Shaunwilden

11:31

@hakan_sentrk It's this idea of mistakes - I live in the Uk now and hear more 'mistakes' now than I did in when I lived abroad #ELTchat

BethCagnol

11:31

RT @tarabenwell: Have you ever seen an ad that said school would only hire teachers who had learned a second language? #ELTChat Might be more sensible

sandymillin

11:32

RT @tarabenwell: ever seen ad "school will only hire teachers who had learned a second language?" #ELTChat Might be more sensible <agreed

hakan_sentrk

11:32

@Shaunwilden I agree that English has become such a global language that it is sometimes difficult the distinguish a mistake #ELTchat

vbenevolofranca

11:32

@bethcagnol @Shaunwilden In Brazil NS probably will never make state schools system, but NNS are the majority in private schools. #eltchat

japglish

11:32

@sandymillin @cerirhiannon  it happens, but not the norm in Priv. Sect where NSs appear generally pref. Pub sector diff story #eltchat

sedayyildirim

11:33

RT @lauraesol: #eltchat re NNESTS http://bit.ly/mAsnXr

divyabrochier

11:33

#eltchat I think there's a real fear amongst all teachers when it comes to teaching pronunciation.

pacogascon

11:33

(offtopic) Sorry, Barcelona has just scored 2nd #eltchat

AnseoAMuinteoir

11:34

RT @divyabrochier: #eltchat I think there's a real fear amongst all teachers when it comes to teaching pronunciation.

cerirhiannon

11:34

Fully Competent Speaker of English as an International Language (Penny Ur's term @TESOL Spain) - that's what we shd aim for #eltchat

BethCagnol

11:34

@divyabrochier Teaching pronunciation? Or using/learning the IPA? #ELTChat

Shaunwilden

11:34

@vbenevolofranca But isnt that a case of naivety of the parents that schools need to address? #ELTchat

ShellTerrell

11:34

RT @divyabrochier: #eltchat I think there's a real fear amongst all teachers when it comes to teaching pronunciation.

Marisa_C

11:34

I find that many NNESTs are more focused on text #ELTchat - it's how they learnt possibly and not enough listening exposure

vbenevolofranca

11:34

@bethcagnol @Shaunwilden But quite often issue of accent crops up when hiring NNESTs. This is something parents are concerned about #eltchat

pacogascon

11:35

I normally have International English in mind when teaching #eltchat

vbenevolofranca

11:35

RT @Marisa_C I find that many NNESTs are more focused on text #ELTchat - it's how they learnt possibly & not enough listening exposure>agree

tarabenwell

11:35

@divyabrochier Re pronunciation fear: I recommend watching Robin Walker's session from #IATEFL http://tinyurl.com/3k8c58z #ELTChat

teachingenglish

11:35

RT @cerirhiannon: Fully Competent Speaker of English as an International Language (Penny Ur's term @TESOL Spain) - that's aim #eltchat

theteacherjames

11:35

@ShellTerrell @bethcagnol #eltchat In Korea, only 6 types of native can get teaching visas.

Shaunwilden

11:35

@DinaDobrou I wasnt making an excuse for it   #ELTchat

shaznosel

11:35

@TeachingEnglish  #eltchat totally agree. If the NEST doesn't check the grammar section...students are confused..

lolonagi

11:35

topics #eltchat late :S

nutrich

11:35

RT @Shaunwilden: @vbenevolofranca But isnt that a case of naivety of the parents that schools need to address? #ELTchat

ShellTerrell

11:35

RT @hakan_sentrk: I agree that English has become such a global language that it is sometimes difficult the distinguish a mistake #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

11:36

RT @shaznosel: #eltchat  in Greece parents complain that a NEST should not be teaching grammar - In my 1st yr there I wasnt allowed to!

ShellTerrell

11:36

What should an institute or admin do if parents complain about hiring a NNEST? #ELTchat

divyabrochier

11:36

@vbenevolofranca feeling intimidated when I get asked "and where exactly are you from?":) #eltchat

BethCagnol

11:36

@vbenevolofranca @shaunwilden Re accent: I just LOVE Catherine Walter's Texan accent. #ELTChat

lolonagi

11:36

@ShellTerrell  thanks :) #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11:36

RT @shaznosel: #eltchat  in Greece parents complain that a NEST should not be teaching grammar> heard about this in Turkey too

ShellTerrell

11:36

@lolonagi Insecurities of Non Native English Speaking Teachers #eltchat

sandymillin

11:36

RT @cerirhiannon: Fully Competent Speaker of English as an International Language (Penny Ur's term @TESOL Spain) - that's what we shd aim for #eltchat

BethCagnol

11:36

@vbenevolofranca @shaunwilden I find the worry over accent (from parents). Makes you want to show them Catherine Walter's plenary #ELTChat

surreallyno

11:37

RT @sandymillin: As lang learner had NESTs and NNESTs who were rubbish and amazing - nothing to do w/ native-ness. Teaching is a skill! #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:37

RT @pacogascon: I normally have International English in mind when teaching #eltchat

pacogascon

11:37

RT @ShellTerrell: What should an institute or admin do if parents complain about hiring a NNEST? #ELTchat hard:Private school = business

ShellTerrell

11:37

RT @sandymillin: As lang learner had NESTs and NNESTs who were rubbish and amazing - nothing to do w/ native-ness. Teaching is a skill! #eltchat

hakan_sentrk

11:37

RT @cerirhiannon: RT @shaznosel: #eltchat  parents believe in L1 instructions when teaching grammar, hence they prefer Nnests

japglish

11:37

@ShellTerrell  defend the NNEST to the hilt  if the teaching itself is not the object of the complaint #eltchat

Ayse_Kalkan

11:37

RT @pacogascon: I normally have International English in mind when teaching #eltchat

mkofab

11:37

@divyabrochier ronunciation is sth you can learn- what is far more diff for NNEST is collocations, idiomatic language, register #ELTchat

sandymillin

11:37

As lang learner had NESTs and NNESTs who were rubbish and amazing - nothing to do w/ native-ness. Teaching is a skill! #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11:37

RT @pacogascon: I normally have International English in mind when teaching #eltchat >totally, Paco, I really hope NS/NNS is on its way out!

sedayyildirim

11:37

@divyabrochier yep , I sometimes find myself guilty in pronounciaton . #eltchat

TeacherMona

11:37

RT @Marisa_C: Join us in 20min for #ELTChat Topic: Nonnative tchers of English & their insecurities about teaching a lang that isnt their mother tongue!

DinaDobrou

11:37

@Shaunwilden I didn't think you were. I was just giving an example. :) #ELTchat

lolonagi

11:37

I have this feeling when I speak in front of english natives #eltchat do not know why :S

ShellTerrell

11:38

@japglish @Shaunwilden What are specific ways they can do this & communicate to parents? I want to pass to admin I know #eltchat

mkofab

11:38

@tarabenwell @divyabrochier That was VERY good session! Do watch! #ELTchat

surreallyno

11:38

RT @Shaunwilden: @ShellTerrell The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat

vbenevolofranca

11:38

RT @tarabenwell: @divyabrochier Re pronunciation fear: I recommend watching Robin Walker's session from #IATEFL http://tinyurl.com/3k8c58z #ELTChat

cerirhiannon

11:38

RT @Shaunwilden: @ShellTerrell The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat

hakan_sentrk

11:38

RT @Shaunwilden: @ShellTerrell The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

11:38

@ShellTerrell The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat

lolonagi

11:38

@Marisa_C  do not know why Marica honestly :) #eltchat

pinarmanici

11:38

@divyabrochier Some NNS teachers are not familiar with IPA. Insecurity might be a natural outcome #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11:38

RT @sandymillin: As lang learner had NESTs and NNESTs  - nothing to do w/ native-ness. Teaching is a skill! #eltchat> totally!

Marisa_C

11:38

@lolonagi  that's what we\re talking about - how to overcome it #eltchat

vbenevolofranca

11:38

@Shaunwilden Absolutely! ItΒ΄s up to DOSs deconstruct this idea...but this is a thorny aspect... #ELTchat

ShellTerrell

11:39

@lolonagi We did an interview together & we had no problems at all understanding each other #eltchat

DinaDobrou

11:39

RT @tarabenwell: Plenty of new materials/ideas/tools for teaching pronunciation on EC in the past few months: http://englishclub.com/s/?cp #ELTChat

pacogascon

11:39

@cerirhiannon @sandymillin Totally agree #eltchat

mickstout

11:39

RT @Marisa_C: I find that many NNESTs are more focused on text #ELTchat - it's how they learnt possibly and not enough listening exposure

shaznosel

11:39

@vbenevolofranca  #eltchat Same in Greece..no NESTS in state schools..my son's English teacher told me he can'… (cont) http://deck.ly/~RL1ah

harrisonmike

11:39

@pinarmanici @divyabrochier Some native speakers not familiar (or 100% au fait) with IPA!! [I wasn't at first!] #eltchat

lolonagi

11:39

RT @tarabenwell: Plenty of new materials/ideas/tools for teaching pronunciation on EC in the past few months: http://englishclub.com/s/?cp #ELTChat

BethCagnol

11:39

RT @Shaunwilden: @ShellTerrell The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat

NoraTouparlaki

11:39

RT @Shaunwilden: @ShellTerrell The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat

sandymillin

11:39

RT @Shaunwilden: @ShellTerrell The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat <2nded

tarabenwell

11:39

Plenty of new materials/ideas/tools for teaching pronunciation on EC in the past few months: http://englishclub.com/s/?cp #ELTChat

lolonagi

11:39

it happened to me more than once I fear they feel I speak english in a "incomprehensible" way #eltchat

sandymillin

11:39

& have taught French, German and Spanish - much harder than English! felt like needed more prep, but cos I didn't know classrm lang #eltchat

vbenevolofranca

11:39

RT @BethCagnol: @vbenevolofranca @shaunwilden I find the worry over accent (from parents). Makes you want to show them Catherine Walter's plenary #ELTChat

japglish

11:39

@japglish  bad business model to be driven by customer prejudices rather than following teaching quality as guide #eltchat

japglish

11:40

@ShellTerrell  I used to talk about the teacher, compare unfavourably to a mythical, sacked NS, lose customer if necessary #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:40

Agree! RT @Shaunwilden: The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

11:40

@ShellTerrell And make parallels to other professions - i.e. you'd want the best lawyer you could get not matter their origin etc #ELTchat

sandymillin

11:40

RT @naomishema: #eltchat some of the Ts who immigrated from Russia suffer because of the way they pronounce "h". parents complain sometimes

cerirhiannon

11:40

RT @Marisa_C: And yet although many teachers have these issues, they are reluctant to go for a good language course #ELTchat sth which would address them

tarabenwell

11:40

If you know of any teachers looking to "practise" teaching pronunciation. Let me know. I need volunteers in MyEC group. #ELTChat

Marisa_C

11:40

And yet although many teachers have these issues, they are reluctant to go for a good language course #ELTchat sth which would address them

lolonagi

11:40

@ShellTerrell  yes Shelly, but btw I felt  awkward #eltchat

hakan_sentrk

11:40

back in the 90s, we criticize school managements for hiring NS without qualifications. Only qualification was them being a NS #eltchat

mickstout

11:40

RT @sandymillin: RT @Shaunwilden: @ShellTerrell The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat <2nded

ShellTerrell

11:40

Gr8 tip! RT @Shaunwilden: We used to have an open week, when parents could watch classes then they see how it makes no difference #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

11:40

@ShellTerrell We used to have an open week, when parents could watch classes then they see how it makes no difference #ELTchat

lauraesol

11:41

RT @ShellTerrell: RT @Shaunwilden: And make parallels to other professions - i.e. u'd want the best lawyer you could get not matter their origin etc #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

11:41

RT @japglish: @ShellTerrell  I used to talk about the teacher, compare unfavourably to a mythical, sacked NS, lose customer if necessary #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:41

@DinaDobrou Winging it does take a lot of both linguistic as well as methodological confidence #ELTchat

ShellTerrell

11:41

RT @Shaunwilden: And make parallels to other professions - i.e. u'd want the best lawyer you could get not matter their origin etc #ELTchat

DinaDobrou

11:41

RT @tarabenwell: If you know of any teachers looking to "practise" teaching pronunciation. Let me know. I need volunteers in MyEC group. #ELTChat

lauraesol

11:41

RT @ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @Shaunwilden: The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat

lolonagi

11:41

@ShellTerrell  hehehehehehe :D #eltchat

pacogascon

11:41

RT @ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @Shaunwilden: The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat

BethCagnol

11:41

@Shaunwilden That's a good idea (letting parents watch). #ELTChat

ShellTerrell

11:41

@lolonagi I felt awkward too! I always do when interviewed :-) #Eltchat

DinaDobrou

11:42

RT @japglish: @ShellTerrell  at the end of the day, Ss themselves recognise teaching quality  - don't be afraid to lose prejudiced customers #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:42

RT @japglish: at the end of the day, Ss themselves recognise teaching quality  - don't be afraid to lose prejudiced customers #eltchat

pysproblem81

11:42

@sandymillin I found it much harder to grade my language teaching Spanish... not sure if that's a common experience #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:42

RT @divyabrochier: this is where I think language is so unique compared to any other subject area, thus more of a sensitive issue #eltchat

japglish

11:42

@ShellTerrell  at the end of the day, Ss themselves recognise teaching quality  - don't be afraid to lose prejudiced customers #eltchat

sandymillin

11:42

RT @Marisa_C: @DinaDobrou Winging it does take a lot of both linguistic as well as methodological confidence #ELTchat

DinaDobrou

11:42

RT @ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @Shaunwilden: The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11:43

RT @lolonagi: so how can we over come this when it comes to speaking in front of natives #eltchat > I think the majority of NS are impressed

cybraryman1

11:43

RT @ShellTerrell  RT @Shaunwilden: origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, quality of the teaching is >agree! #eltchat

sandymillin

11:43

@pysproblem81 I found that too, partly because I didn't feel I knew enough words! & was busy thinking about my grammar etc #eltchat

legyened

11:43

I've noticed my NNS colleagues tend to seize on one another's errors with unnecessary glee. No wonder folks are insecure! #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:43

RT @cerirhiannon: as devil's advocate u could say that in some contexts its  a case of the job insecurity of NES Ts  #eltchat - grass is greener?

vbenevolofranca

11:43

RT @ShellTerrell Agree! RT @Shaunwilden: origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, quality of the teaching is >agree! #eltchat

lolonagi

11:43

so how can we over come this when it comes to speaking in front of natives #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11:43

as devil's advocate u could say that in some contexts its  a case of the job insecurity of NES Ts  #eltchat - grass is greener?

sandymillin

11:44

@legyened NESTs joke about each other's errors & it stays a joke, but if NNESTs do it, can be seen as criticism #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11:44

@divyabrochier I dont disagree but I think a stand needs to be taken when it comes to discrimination #ELTchat

vbenevolofranca

11:44

RT @BethCagnol: @Shaunwilden That's a good idea (letting parents watch). #ELTChat

lolonagi

11:44

@sandymillin  me too about z grammar #eltchat

hakan_sentrk

11:44

RT @shaznosel: @hakan_sentrk  I understand the parents..but give me a chance to show them my way!! PRODUCTION HAPPPENS! >agree #eltchat

theteacherjames

11:44

RT @Shaunwilden: @ShellTerrell The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat

Marisa_C

11:44

RT @lolonagi: so how can we over come this when it comes to speaking in front of natives #eltchat > Ts are learners too

pacogascon

11:44

Sometimes NNests feel the urge to brush up on the foreign lang they teach (taking courses, travelling abroad) #eltchat

lolonagi

11:44

I used to get nervous when I say a word a native does nt understand #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11:45

RT @japglish:nothing great abt conditions offered to NSTs.  Pub sector NNEST better for pensions, hols #eltchat > yup, 2 sides ;)

lolonagi

11:45

I heard lovely story from a british T, he said when u have a good lang ppl will stop commenting on ur accent #eltchat

hakan_sentrk

11:45

RT @sandymillin: @legyened NESTs joke about each other's errors & it stays a joke, but if NNESTs do it, can be seen as criticism #eltchat

eltbakery

11:45

I've just added +2 activities >> Good variety of Royal Wedding Activities http://tinyurl.com/yhoxwt6 #elt #tefl #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11:45

RT @harrisonmike: @pinarmanici By same token though, as a native speaker I had no idea at first where to mark stress or even if there was a logic! #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:45

@lolonagi pair up with a NEST colleague and skype - ask for feedback - #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:45

RT @brad5patterson: RT @tarabenwell: If u know any teachers looking to "practise" teaching pronunciation. Let me know. I need volunteers in MyEC group. #ELTChat

japglish

11:45

@cerirhiannon  spiinning the question, nothing great abt conditions offered to NSTs.  Pub sector NNEST better for pensions, hols #eltchat

harrisonmike

11:45

@pinarmanici By same token though, as a native speaker I had no idea at first where to mark stress or even if there was a logic! #eltchat

brad5patterson

11:45

RT @tarabenwell: If u know any teachers looking to "practise" teaching pronunciation. Let me know. I need volunteers in MyEC group. #ELTChat

cybraryman1

11:46

My Pronunciation page: http://bit.ly/dpZttj #eltchat

lolonagi

11:46

@Marisa_C  thanks :) #eltchat

Stewardess

11:46

RT @flocabulary: Hey #eltchat ! We think our New Shakespeare video could help your students if they're struggling with Shakespeare: http://ow.ly/4Ip0C

vbenevolofranca

11:46

@divyabrochier ThatΒ΄s when we answer "I come from X, & I'm a proficient English language speaker, & I've never lived in the USA, UK #eltchat

divyabrochier

11:46

#eltchat I think there is a gradual change that is already taking place, it's not the same as it was 11 years ago when jaws would drop...

DinaDobrou

11:46

@Marisa_C Indeed. Lots of tricks up your sleeve. Tho linguistic competence (& pronunciation) is wht seems to matter most in Greece. #ELTchat

eannegrenoble

11:46

RT @tarabenwell: @divyabrochier Re pronunciation fear: I recommend  Robin Walker's #IATEFL session   http://tinyurl.com/3k8c58z #ELTChat thx

divyabrochier

11:47

RT @springrose12: @Marisa_C @lolonagi In the UK there're many different dialects.Let's accept that there's not one way of speaking English #eltchat

springrose12

11:47

@Marisa_C @lolonagi In the UK there're many different dialects.Let's accept that there's not one way of speaking English #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11:47

@pacogascon  depends on the context I guess - what are u thinking about Ts judging Ts?  I guess It's possible #eltchat

Fuertesun

11:47

Just remembered #eltchat

divyabrochier

11:47

#eltchat when I introduced myself as the Language Assistant from the British Council

harrisonmike

11:48

At the end of the day there r good teachers and not so good ones. The good ones find a way around their insecurities NEST or NNEST #eltchat

NoraTouparlaki

11:48

@Marisa_C @lolonagi agree!! it works! i've done it so many times! #eltchat

pacogascon

11:48

@cerirhiannon Ts normallt judge Ts (at least where i work) even if were all NNEsts #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11:48

RT @springrose12: @Marisa_C @lolonagi In the UK there're many different dialects #eltchat > some often quite difficult for non UK NSs

Marisa_C

11:48

@springrose12 Sure, that's a given  #eltchat

vbenevolofranca

11:49

RT @harrisonmike: At the end of the day there r good teachers and not so good ones. The good ones find a way around their insecurities NEST or NNEST #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:49

RT @harrisonmike: At the end of the day there r good teachers and not so good ones. The good ones find a way around their insecurities NEST or NNEST #eltchat

pacogascon

11:49

@cerirhiannon @springrose12 @Marisa_C @lolonagi met an American girl who got sa job in Scotland and had to quit:couldnt get a word #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11:49

RT @pacogascon: Ts normallt judge Ts (at least where i work) even if were all NNEsts #eltchat > do u think maybe NNS judge more?

divyabrochier

11:49

RT @harrisonmike: At the end of the day there r good teachers and not so good ones. The good ones find a way around their insecurities NEST or NNEST #eltchat

BethCagnol

11:49

@divyabrochier What did David Horner say recently about NNs? You quoted him at dinner the other night. #ELTChat

Shaunwilden

11:49

RT @harrisonmike: At the end of the day there r good teachers and not so good ones. The good ones find a way around their insecurities NEST or NNEST #eltchat

tarabenwell

11:49

@springrose12 @Marisa_C @lolonagi I can't remember the exact number but I think Robin said only 2% in UK speak RP #ELTChat

pacogascon

11:50

@cerirhiannon @springrose12 @Marisa_C @lolonagi hahahaa, maybe #eltchat

lolonagi

11:50

@pacogascon  wow a native quit... for not understanding the accent #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:50

RT @springrose12:  In the UK there're many different dialects.Let's accept that there's not one way of speaking English #eltchat

harrisonmike

11:50

@springrose12 You need to follow @CherylKerl. Genius @nutrich @Marisa_C @lolonagi #eltchat #Geordie tweetin'

sandymillin

11:50

RT @harrisonmike: At the end of the day there r good teachers and not so good ones. The good ones find a way around their insecurities NEST or NNEST #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11:50

@pacogascon @springrose12 @Marisa_C @lolonagi  LOL ! A Spaniard might 've understood more - more tolerance and similar vowel sounds #eltchat

hakan_sentrk

11:50

RT @harrisonmike: At the end of the day there r good teachers and not so good ones. The good ones find a way ..>agree #eltchat

shaznosel

11:50

@springrose12  #eltchat let's accept the norm for English nowadays is NNS  to NNS speaker..it's communicatio… (cont) http://deck.ly/~XBtZH

sandymillin

11:50

@cerirhiannon @springrose12 @Marisa_C @lolonagi In UK=many different dialects #eltchat > some quite difficult for non UK NSs <some 4 UK NSs!

legyened

11:50

RT @harrisonmike: At the end of the day there r good teachers and not so good ones. The good ones find a way around their insecurities NEST or NNEST #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:50

@tarabenwell  I  know!  @nutrich  No, not at all ! but receptive difficulties are natural for ALL not just NNESTs #ELTChat

pacogascon

11:50

@cerirhiannon not necessariy NNS #eltchat

lolonagi

11:50

@springrose12  what's that #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11:51

RT @Marisa_C: @lolonagi I had a trainee once NO ONE could understand - only our beginners :-D Which cause great mirth! #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:51

@lolonagi I had a trainee once NO ONE could understand - only our beginners :-D Which cause great mirth! #eltchat

pacogascon

11:51

@lolonagi it was her case, midwestern girl in Loch Ness: completely lost she said #eltchat

lolonagi

11:51

@springrose12  totally agree about enunciation #eltchat

springrose12

11:51

Agreed! RT@shaznosel It's communication not pronunciation #eltchat

BethCagnol

11:51

RT @ShellTerrell: RT @springrose12:  In the UK there're many different dialects.Let's accept that there's not one way of speaking English #eltchat

Fuertesun

11:51

RT @harrisonmike: At the end of the day there r good teachers and not so good ones. The good ones find a way around their insecurities NEST or NNEST #eltchat

lolonagi

11:52

@Marisa_C hehehhehehe #eltchat nice that she has audience

pacogascon

11:52

RT @springrose12: Agreed! RT@shaznosel It's communication not pronunciation #eltchat Agree but teaching demands are higher

vale360

11:52

RT @hakan_sentrk: RT @harrisonmike: At the end of the day there r good teachers and not so good ones. The good ones find a way ..>agree #eltchat

BethCagnol

11:52

@pacogascon When I was in Harrogate last year for IATEFL, I had to ask for English to English translations (I'm American). #ELTChat

tarabenwell

11:52

Q to NNESTs here: Don't your sts love to know that you have been in their shoes and that you are now a teacher? #ELTChat

sucastellano

11:52

RT @sandymillin: As lang learner had NESTs and NNESTs who were rubbish and amazing - nothing to do w/ native-ness. Teaching is a skill! #eltchat

hakan_sentrk

11:52

we once had a teacher from Stoke, UK. even the Nests couldn't understand him, how about the sts? #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:52

@lolonagi he was a NEST that's why this is supposed to be funny ha ha  #eltchat

surreallyno

11:52

@DinaDobrou I don't care WHO teaches as  long as it is done right.  Are we just being politically correct ? #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11:52

RT @springrose12: Agreed! RT@shaznosel It's communication not pronunciation #eltchat

pjgallantry

11:53

#eltchat do you think NESTS and NNESTS approach how they teach in different ways?.....

sandymillin

11:53

RT @tarabenwell: Q to NNESTs here: Don't your sts love to know that you have been in their shoes and that you are now a teacher? #ELTChat

vbenevolofranca

11:53

Sorry, will have to leave now, will catch up with transcripts later on. Thanks to moderators for keeping us going during chat. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11:53

@bethcagnol @pacogascon doesnt surprise me, i struggle sometimes #ELTchat

lolonagi

11:53

@Marisa_C  no way #eltchat.....

japglish

11:53

@pacogascon  many learners are beginning to wise up the fact that its OTHER NNS they need to do biz with and understand, not NSs #eltchat

surreallyno

11:53

This is not a war pro or against NNS (or so I think). But a discussion on the quality of teaching. #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11:53

RT @hakan_sentrk: teacher from Stoke, UK. even the Nests couldn't understand him #eltchat > NS need to learn competence in EIL too

springrose12

11:54

@nutrich @Marisa_C Definitely not...I was just trying to explain my point:) I think we all have some kind of accents or dialects #eltchat

eannegrenoble

11:54

@harrisonmike: @pinarmanici @divyabrochier re IPA >it's becoming redundant with all the online  dicos ! #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:54

400 million ppl native English speakers in world & 1.4 billion spk English as a 2nd language English Exhibit at Brit Lib #eltchat

pjgallantry

11:54

#eltchat ....Iask beacuse I noticed that my Turkish colleagues were often more grammar-driven than CLT

fionamau

11:54

RT @cerirhiannon: RT @hakan_sentrk: teacher from Stoke, UK. even the Nests couldn't understand him #eltchat > NS need to learn competence in EIL too

tarabenwell

11:54

@bethcagnol @pacogascon And in Brighton (as a Canadian) I learned a bunch of new English. :) http://tinyurl.com/3lzqtkl #ELTChat

pacogascon

11:54

@japglishheard True #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:54

OK, last 7 minutes - What can we do? Advice please! #ELTchat I want to know how I can improve!!!

cerirhiannon

11:54

RT @pacogascon: @japglishheard some native executives are being trained into international english #eltchat

japglish

11:54

@japglish  lots of evidence that philipino English increasingly accepted by Japanese learners for example, NS teacher model dying #eltchat

lolonagi

11:54

@tarabenwell  sure > agree #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11:54

RT @japglish: @pacogascon  ... its OTHER NNS they need to do biz with and understand.. #eltchat> been true for yrs in BE

pacogascon

11:54

@japglishheard some native executives are being trained into international english #eltchat

BethCagnol

11:54

@pacogascon @lolonagi It's also a matter of having her ears tuned 2 different accents. In midwest, there isn't much of a choice. #ELTChat

BethCagnol

11:55

@pacogascon @japglishheard some native executives are being trained into international english #eltchat >> It's about time!!

divyabrochier

11:55

#eltchat I think it's healthy to use materials that show worldwide uses of Eng to debunk the myth that it belongs to any one culture/nation

hakan_sentrk

11:55

@pjgallantry that cannot be generalized #eltchat

cerirhiannon

11:55

RT @hakan_sentrk: difference in approach to teaching between Nnests and Nests? #eltchat > there's a diff in approach between T and T

NoraTouparlaki

11:55

@Marisa_C more listening exposure #ELTchat

japglish

11:55

@pacogascon  I want to be the one establishing the multi million dollar Indian English to Chinese learners business #eltchat

harrisonmike

11:55

@Marisa_C Lots of NNESTs are worried about pronunication. They can develop this by listening to a wide range of podcasts #eltchat link 2flw

lolonagi

11:55

@Marisa_C  for me I listen a lot #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:55

Gr8 question! RT @hakan_sentrk: do think there is a difference in approach to teaching between Nnests and Nests? #eltchat

sandymillin

11:55

@Marisa_C Improve what?!? You seem fine already! #ELTchat Think same as 4 my SS - everyone should practise L2 as much as poss & know limits

juandoming

11:55

Read Aprendiendo sobre #Elearning βΈ http://t.co/z9BCbpw #socialmedia #education #eltchat #edtech #redessociales #tic #web20 #ed

hakan_sentrk

11:55

do think there is a difference in approach to teaching between Nnests and Nests? #eltchat

pacogascon

11:55

RT @ShellTerrell: "400 million ppl native English speakers in world & 1.4 billion spk English as a 2nd language" English Exhibit at Brit Lib #eltchat

lauraesol

11:56

@Marisa_C  If you find out let me know! #eltchat

BethCagnol

11:56

@tarabenwell @pacogascon Great post! LOL. #ELTChat

japglish

11:56

@cerirhiannon  there IS a difference in approach between public sector trained and privately trained Ts of any flavour suspect #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:56

With so many non native English speakers in the world we shouldn't be having discrimination against NNESTS #eltchat

hakan_sentrk

11:56

@cerirhiannon #eltchat > there's a diff in approach between T and T> agree #eltchat

pjgallantry

11:56

@hakan_sentrk -no probably, not - just an observation #eltchat

lolonagi

11:56

RT @ShellTerrell: "400 million ppl native English speakers in world & 1.4 billion spk English as a 2nd language" English Exhibit at Brit Lib #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11:56

@shaznosel good luck, I found after the first year the parents began to trust me and everything was easier #ELTchat

pacogascon

11:56

@japglish business demands linguistic efforts #eltchat

harrisonmike

11:56

Teachers can get a wide range of accents to listen to from podcasts like the BBC ones: http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts #eltchat #pronunciation

Marisa_C

11:56

So LOADS of listening - and more listening and more listening - and KARAOKE! #ELTchat for pronunciation practice

lolonagi

11:56

also the most important - I tried- is to increase ur vocab #eltchat I had this felling of vocab wealth when I took GRE

sandymillin

11:56

http://bbc.in/girV2W - lots of great podcasts from BBC #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:57

RT @Marisa_C: Loads of listening is great but main issue is the productive skills and lack of feedback #ELTchat Suggestions?

lolonagi

11:57

@Marisa_C  yes yes yes #eltchat :)

harrisonmike

11:57

Exactly! RT @tarabenwell: @harrisonmike @Marisa_C And we can all improve by focusing on "intelligibility" rather than  "accent". #ELTChat

NoraTouparlaki

11:57

@ShellTerrell Agree!!#eltchat

Fuertesun

11:57

RT @ShellTerrell: With so many non native English speakers in the world we shouldn't be having discrimination against NNESTS #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:57

Loads of listening is great but main issue is the productive skills and lack of feedback #ELTchat Suggestions?

divyabrochier

11:57

RT @tarabenwell: @harrisonmike @Marisa_C And we can all improve by focusing on "intelligibility" rather than  "accent". #ELTChat

maikelfontes

11:57

RT @harrisonmike: Teachers can get a wide range of accents to listen to from podcasts like the BBC ones: http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts #eltchat #pronunciation

cerirhiannon

11:57

RT @Shaunwilden: RT @fionamau: @pjgallantry #ELTchat Difference in approach has more to do w training, personality and experien… (cont) http://deck.ly/~hFXdb

BethCagnol

11:57

RT @divyabrochier: #eltchat I think it's healthy to use materials that show worldwide uses of Eng to debunk the myth that it belongs to any one culture/nation

tarabenwell

11:57

@harrisonmike @Marisa_C And we can all improve by focusing on "intelligibility" rather than  "accent". #ELTChat

cerirhiannon

11:57

RT @japglish: @cerirhiannon  there IS a difference in approach between public sector trained and privately trained Ts of any flavour suspect #eltchat

Shaunwilden

11:57

RT @fionamau: @pjgallantry #ELTchat Difference in approach has more to do w training, personality and experien… (cont) http://deck.ly/~hFXdb

japglish

11:57

@pacogascon  business follows the most profitable route and if the NS model no longer meets needs .... #eltchat

divyabrochier

11:57

RT @Marisa_C: So LOADS of listening - and more listening and more listening - and KARAOKE! #ELTchat for pronunciation practice

cerirhiannon

11:57

RT @hakan_sentrk: @pjgallantry that cannot be generalized #eltchat > totally agree - the danger with dichotomies is gross overgeneralisation

lolonagi

11:58

@Marisa_C  recording ur self audacity and listeing to ur recording #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:58

RT @pacogascon: Chinese accent is to become the most widespread english accent in the world #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:58

RT @japglish: @Marisa_C  skype based language exchanges for free #eltchat

Marisa_C

11:58

RT @japglish: @Marisa_C  skype based language exchanges for free #eltchat - Good one

springrose12

11:58

@nutrich I can understand her too. What I meant that English was a global language and no one way of speaking it at present #eltchat

ShellTerrell

11:58

@Fuertesun I can always just pick a past post I like & Include it in the carnival or you can dm me the link? #Eltchat

Fuertesun

11:58

RT @divyabrochier: #eltchat I think it's healthy to use materials that show worldwide uses of Eng to debunk the myth that it belongs to any one culture/nation

japglish

11:58

@Marisa_C  skype based language exchanges for free #eltchat

pacogascon

11:58

Chinese accent is to become the most widespread english accent in the world #eltchat

DinaDobrou

11:58

@tarabenwell Good Q Tara! I'd say yes. And it's a point you can make to motivate sts. #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

11:58

RT @theteacherjames: RT @divyabrochier: #eltchat It's healthy to use materials that show worldwide uses of Eng to debunk the myth that it belongs to one culture

theteacherjames

11:58

RT @divyabrochier: #eltchat It's healthy to use materials that show worldwide uses of Eng to debunk the myth that it belongs to one culture

pinarmanici

11:58

@eannegrenoble @harrisonmike @divyabrochier > everyone should find a way when left alone with paper dicos. it's like standart gears #eltchat

pjgallantry

11:59

#eltchat perhaps an issue for another time, but the variety of English taught also comes into play, doesn't it?

hakan_sentrk

11:59

Δ± don't think that accent is an issue for Nests anymore, not in this multi-media based information age #eltchat

harrisonmike

11:59

RT @mkofab: Think we should do what we tell  r stds.Read,listen,learn,study,travel,communicate with NS in every possible way.Create PLN with NS #ELTchat

tarabenwell

11:59

Dinner is served! Thanks #ELTChat. Last advice. Invite your NNEST peers. Cheers.

sandymillin

11:59

@Marisa_C Use Twitter ;) #ELTchat Also depends on if you're accuracy or fluency focussed - I think communication is most imp.

mkofab

11:59

Think we should do what we tell  r stds.Read,listen,learn,study,travel,communicate with NS in every possible way.Create PLN with NS #ELTchat

Marisa_C

11:59

RT @lolonagi: @Marisa_C  recording ur self audacity and listeing to ur recording #eltchat > Another good one

Fuertesun

12:00 πμ

@ShellTerrell thanks pick away! #Eltchat

divyabrochier

12:00 πμ

RT @sandymillin: @Marisa_C Use Twitter ;) #ELTchat Also depends on if you're accuracy or fluency focussed - I think communication is most imp.

pacogascon

12:00 πμ

@sandymillin @Marisa_C yes but some students have expectations other than communication (RP pronuctiation, gramm accuracy) #eltchat

DinaDobrou

12:00 πμ

@bethcagnol @pacogascon > @tarabanwell has a great post-#IATEFL blog post on same topic. Link escapes me at the mo. Tara? ;) #ELTchat

springrose12

12:00 πμ

Agree..RT @pacogascon Chinese accent is to become the most widespread english accent in the world #eltchat

hakan_sentrk

12:01 πμ

RT @cerirhiannon: intelligibility, competence,  intercultural awareness -are the issues > agree #eltchat

DinaDobrou

12:01 πμ

RT @Marisa_C: RT @lolonagi: @Marisa_C  recording ur self audacity and listeing to ur recording #eltchat > Another good one

Marisa_C

12:01 πμ

@eannegrenoble can you share ?  #eltchat

legyened

12:01 πμ

Great #eltchat - much better than the football :)

NoraTouparlaki

12:01 πμ

RT @Marisa_C: Do you know English central? https://www.englishcentral.com/register?redirect=/home  some good pron practice on one's own #ELtchat

eannegrenoble

12:01 πμ

RT @lolonagi: so how can we overcome this when it comes to speaking in front of natives #eltchat >Krashen has written a great article abt it

cerirhiannon

12:01 πμ

@hakan_sentrk  accent shouldn't be an issue for NNS either - intelligibility, competence,  intercultural awareness - are the issues #eltchat

sandymillin

12:01 πμ

@pacogascon Well they won't get either of them from me! #eltchat

harrisonmike

12:01 πμ

RT @Marisa_C: Do you know English central? https://www.englishcentral.com/register?redirect=/home  some good pron practice on one's own #ELtchat

BethCagnol

12:01 πμ

#eltchat This has been an interesting chat. Especially since we at #TESOLFr are trying to attract more NNS delegates to our events.

Marisa_C

12:01 πμ

Do you know English central? https://www.englishcentral.com/register?redirect=/home  some good pron practice on one's own #ELtchat

fionamau

12:02 πμ

@hakan_sentrk #eltchat Accents remain a bit of an issue but RP is irrelevant now.Whether NEST or NNEST we need to be mutually intelligible..

cerirhiannon

12:02 πμ

RT @hakan_sentrk: plus teaching the ability to simply communicate #eltchat > my turn to agree ;)

brad5patterson

12:02 πμ

RT @pacogascon: Chinese accent is to become the most widespread english accent in the world #eltchat

Shaunwilden

12:02 πμ

@divyabrochier See you next week :-) #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

12:02 πμ

RT @hakan_sentrk: plus teaching the ability to simply communicate #eltchat

sandymillin

12:02 πμ

@pacogascon I'm a native speaker ;) but don't know a single person who speaks RP! #eltchat

ShellTerrell

12:02 πμ

Thanks so much for another great #ELTChat Lots of insight & very helpful suggestions :-)

Marisa_C

12:02 πμ

@divyabrochier cheers and thanks for joining  #ELTChat

lolonagi

12:02 πμ

RT @Marisa_C: Do you know English central? https://www.englishcentral.com/register?redirect=/home  some good pron practice on one's own #ELtchat

hakan_sentrk

12:02 πμ

plus teaching the ability to simply communicate #eltchat

sandymillin

12:02 πμ

This week's #eltpics is 'Doors and windows' Share ur pics w/ hashtag and we will add them: http://bit.ly/dSfDb5 #eltchat #efl #esl #tefl

divyabrochier

12:02 πμ

Thanks for a great #ELTChat, I hear the patter of little feet who were meant to be asleep so see you all next week:)

pacogascon

12:02 πμ

@sandymillin ummm you're confident!:) #eltchat

ShellTerrell

12:03 πμ

Thanks to the lovely @Marisa_C & ever cool @Shaunwilden for moderating & heckling those who played hookie due to a football game #eltchat

sandymillin

12:03 πμ

RT @Marisa_C: Summaries? I know it's my lot to do transcript but whooooo shall I give it to? #ELTchat

sandymillin

12:03 πμ

@pacogascon Learner training then! Big fan of that :) #eltchat

Marisa_C

12:03 πμ

Summaries? I know it's my lot to do transcript but whooooo shall I give it to? #ELTchat

japglish

12:03 πμ

@ShellTerrell  Thx to mods and all tweachers for great #Eltchat

pacogascon

12:03 πμ

@sandymillin I know but lots of foreign learners expect to be taught that way #eltchat

lolonagi

12:03 πμ

yes, RP.... I studied and teach RP #eltchat :)))) my accent is am

hakan_sentrk

12:04 πμ

thanks everyone for the chat, hope to see you next week... #eltchat

fionamau

12:04 πμ

RT @hakan_sentrk: RT @cerirhiannon: intelligibility, competence,  intercultural awareness -are the issues > agree #eltchat

cerirhiannon

12:04 πμ

RT @ShellTerrell: Thanks to the lovely @Marisa_C & ever cool @Shaunwilden for moderating & heckling those who played hookie due to a football game #eltchat

lauraesol

12:04 πμ

@sedayyildirim Night!  #eltchat

fionamau

12:04 πμ

RT @hakan_sentrk: plus teaching the ability to simply communicate #eltchat

DinaDobrou

12:05 πμ

Need to hit the sack. Had an unexpectedly rough week so far. Thnx to moderators and participants. #ELTchat

fionamau

12:05 πμ

RT @cerirhiannon: RT @pacogascon: Thank you all moderators and participants #eltchat > seconded :) >> and thirded

cerirhiannon

12:05 πμ

RT @pacogascon: Thank you all moderators and participants #eltchat > seconded :)

fionamau

12:05 πμ

RT @pacogascon: Thank you all moderators and participants #eltchat i

BethCagnol

12:05 πμ

RT @ShellTerrell: Thanks so much for another great #ELTChat Lots of insight & very helpful suggestions :-)

BethCagnol

12:05 πμ

@divyabrochier G'night sweety! See you for coffee in Paris real soon! #ELTChat

lauraesol

12:05 πμ

#eltchat Night everyone.  Until next week!

sandymillin

12:05 πμ

Britain's favourite building, in your classroom http://wp.me/p1sbtu-1a What would you do with it? #eltchat #elt #efl #tesol #esl

pacogascon

12:05 πμ

Thank you all moderators and participants #eltchat i

lolonagi

12:06 πμ

thanks so much for this grea #eltchat really looking foward to pair up with a native ;D

sandymillin

12:06 πμ

Thanks for a great #eltchat and looking 4ward to summary written by someone else ;) #eltchat Who's up?

NoraTouparlaki

12:06 πμ

it was my first time, gr8 experience,won't miss it next time! #ELTchat

Marisa_C

12:06 πμ

Thanks to all for joining in - but whose turn is it to do summary - I think the lovely @DinaDobrou ??? #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

12:07 πμ

RT @pacogascon: Have a nice week, folks. Great chat (and great match - Barcelona won) Double pleasure. #eltchat > 2nded again!

mkofab

12:07 πμ

Woo, 1st  #ELTchat. Exciting.Back to work now. Some marking to finish. This NNEST feels confident enough for that ;-) Thanks to you ....:-)

springrose12

12:07 πμ

RT@fionamau RT @cerirhiannon: RT @pacogascon: Thank you all moderators and participants #eltchat > seconded :) >> and thirded>>3+

harrisonmike

12:07 πμ

RT @Marisa_C: RT @lolonagi: @Marisa_C  recording ur self audacity and listeing to ur recording #eltchat > Another good one

Marisa_C

12:07 πμ

@lolonagi start putting out calls on twitter #eltchat

pacogascon

12:07 πμ

Have a nice week, folks. Great chat (and great match - Barcelona won) Double pleasure. #eltchat

hakan_sentrk

12:08 πμ

RT @harrisonmike: Thanks for great #eltchat and super thanks to moderators @Marisa_C and @Shaunwilden - STARS

harrisonmike

12:08 πμ

Thanks for great #eltchat and super thanks to moderators @Marisa_C and @Shaunwilden - STARS

shaznosel

12:08 πμ

#eltchat So Barcelona won.#.ELTCHAT scored a few goals! Good night all!

eannegrenoble

12:09 πμ

RT @Marisa_C: So LOADS of listening - and more listening and more listening - and KARAOKE! #ELTchat for pronunciation practice

Shaunwilden

12:09 πμ

@mkofab Glad you joined in, we are here same time each week - check out the blog http://eltchat.com/ and wiki http://bit.ly/hQGETF #eltchat

Marisa_C

12:09 πμ

@NoraTouparlaki great Nora - see you next week then  #ELTchat

Marisa_C

12:10 πμ

@harrisonmike Awww and I thought 'what a gent!"  -why u sayin sech things...  #eltchat

harrisonmike

12:10 πμ

I'll do summary #eltchat @Marisa_C twisted my arm

eannegrenoble

12:14 πμ

RT @Marisa_C: @eannegrenoble can you share ?  #eltchat It's not published -but I have permission to put it on my blog ! oops:link on writeup

CeciELT

12:17 πμ

RT @bethcagnol #eltchat ... Especially since we at #TESOLFr are trying to attract more NNS delegates to our events. > I'm attracted!  ;-)

 

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