Marisa_C
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10:58
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Join us for #ELTChat on NNEST's (like me) & their insecurities about teaching a language that isn't their mother tongue!
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Marisa_C
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10:59
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@ShellTerrell no you! Me! #ELTChat
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ShellTerrell
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10:59
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RT @Marisa_C: Join us for #ELTChat on NNEST's (like me) & their insecurities about teaching a language that isn't their mother tongue!
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harrisonmike
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11:00
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RT @Shaunwilden: It's #eltchat time - NNEST's & their insecurities about teaching a language that isn't their mother tongue
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Shaunwilden
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11:00
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It's #eltchat time - NNEST's & their insecurities about teaching a language that isn't their mother tongue
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teachingenglish
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11:01
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RT @Shaunwilden: It's #eltchat time - NNEST's & their insecurities about teaching a language that isn't their mother tongue
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Marisa_C
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11:01
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RT @ShellTerrell: Welcome to #ELTChat can you let us know if you are a NNest and what you struggle with
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ShellTerrell
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11:01
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Welcome to #ELTChat can you let us know if you are a NNest and what you struggle with
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harrisonmike
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11:01
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#eltchat personally, I wud find it so difficult 2 teach a lang that's not my own. I kno Spanish relatively well, but nt sure abt teaching it
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Marisa_C
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11:01
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For the next hour my tweets are going to be dedicated to #ELTchat - we are talking about non-native speaker teachers & insecurities in L2
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Shaunwilden
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11:02
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RT @tarabenwell: I'm afraid I won't have much to add but will lurk. Just want to say that I admire all of you NNESTs teaching English! #ELTChat
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tarabenwell
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11:02
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I'm afraid I won't have much to add but will lurk. Just want to say that I admire all of you NNESTs teaching English! #ELTChat
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legyened
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11:02
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In football, NS coaches feel insecure! They even fake NNS accents to sound more like Mourinho, Guardiola etc http://bit.ly/cUCBZw #eltchat
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lauraesol
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11:02
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RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat personally, I wud find it so difficult 2 teach a lang that's not my own. I kno Span… (cont) http://deck.ly/~nQet7
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hakan_sentrk
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11:02
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Hello my name is Hakan and I am a NEST! #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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11:03
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@hakan_sentrk Freudian slip, Hakan!! #eltchat
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hakan_sentrk
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11:03
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oops that should have been NNest.!! #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:03
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Not NNEST but not exactly a NEST, 1st language was ChE, didn't realize it was incorrect English until I switched schls in 2nd grade #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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11:03
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I am a NNEST and I am afraid I am not insecure - and that's what I'm afraid of - of what i THINK I know :-D #eltchat
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shaznosel
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11:03
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#eltchat Im a NEST but here to support and praise you amazing NNESTs
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shaznosel
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11:04
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RT @theteacherjames: RT @tarabenwell: I'm afraid I won't have much to add but will lurk. Just want to say that I admire all of you NNESTs teaching Eng! #ELTChat
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ShellTerrell
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11:04
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RT @Marisa_C: I am a NNEST and I am afraid I am not insecure - and that's what I'm afraid of - of what i THINK I know :-D #eltchat
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japglish
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11:04
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Not sure the NST/NNST is that relevant - there are lots of bilingual/multilingual/dialects/accents that do not conform neatly #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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11:04
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RT @tarabenwell: I'm afraid I won't have much to add but will lurk. Just want to say that I admire all of you NNESTs teaching Eng! #ELTChat
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yohimar
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11:04
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RT @Marisa_C: For the next hour my tweets are going to be dedicated to #ELTchat - we are talking about (cont) http://tl.gd/a4a9q7
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ShellTerrell
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11:04
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One thing I struggled with by speaking in a dialect was my pronunciation & even now Im very self-conscious about it #ELTChat
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hakan_sentrk
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11:04
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@harrisonmike that I guess would be one way to explain it!! #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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11:05
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RT @teachingenglish: #ELTChat the advantage a NNest has over a native speaker is empathy - having learnt the language they know what their sts are going thru
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hakan_sentrk
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11:05
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it is not the dialect or a certain accent that is a problem but sometimes pronouncing words that you haven't ever heard before #eltchat
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naomishema
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11:05
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#eltchat Hi all! I work with a lot of NNesters and they have the advantage of having grown up in the system , know SS point of view well
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Marisa_C
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11:05
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@lauraesol The idea that NNESTs teach grammar better is sometimes not actually correct - they more confident of FORM usually #ELTchat
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harrisonmike
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11:05
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I guess one overarching fact 4 me considering this question for #eltchat wud be that (I think) there is no ONE ENGLISH in this world anymore
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legyened
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11:05
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NNESTs are the best role models for lang learners and are usually more effective (unless the NEST has learned L1 to a high level) #eltchat
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cunningcanis
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11:05
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@tarabenwell agree with u , I'm nu 2 teaching so hats off non native spkrs teaching #ELTchat
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englishatworkbr
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11:05
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RT @teachingenglish: RT @Shaunwilden: It's #eltchat time - NNEST's & their insecurities about teaching a language that isn't their mother tongue
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jurylady
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11:05
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RT @ShellTerrell: Welcome to #ELTChat can you let us know if you are a NNest and what you struggle with
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teachingenglish
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11:05
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#ELTChat the advantage a NNest has over a native speaker is empathy - having learnt the language they know what their sts are going thru
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ShellTerrell
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11:05
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RT @legyened: In football, NS coaches feel insecure! They even fake NNS accents to sound more like Mourinho, Guardiola etc http://bit.ly/cUCBZw #eltchat
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lauraesol
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11:05
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#ELTchat I think you NNESTS are great/ Especially the standard of English that you produce. I am sure you teach grammar better than a NS
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Shaunwilden
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11:06
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@hakan_sentrk Yes but NESTs have that trouble as well :-) #eltchat
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shaznosel
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11:06
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@TeachingEnglish #eltchat. I think NESTS have sympathy if living themselves in a foreign country, as they understand the dilemas
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japglish
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11:06
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@ShellTerrell But Shelly, I have a pretty strong London accent, not at all RP, which I wear as badge of pride #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:06
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RT @naomishema: #eltchat Hi all! I work with a lot of NNesters and they have the advantage of having grown up in the system , know SS point of view well
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ShellTerrell
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11:06
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RT @harrisonmike: I guess one overarching fact 4 me considering this question for #eltchat wud be that (I think) there is no ONE ENGLISH in this world anymore
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ShellTerrell
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11:06
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@divyabrochier Chicano English, its a dialect according to the linguistics class I took #ELTchat
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harrisonmike
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11:06
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RT @Marisa_C: @lauraesol The idea that NNESTs teach grammar better is sometimes not actually correct - they more confident of FORM usually #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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11:07
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I think this chat is not so much abt the advantages of being a NNEST but about how to overcome insicuriets - real or imagined #ELTchat
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harrisonmike
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11:07
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@Shaunwilden @hakan_sentrk & spelling! License gets me all the time! I say 2 sts that if I don't use a word regularly I hve 2 check #eltchat
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nutrich
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11:07
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RT @japglish: Not sure the NST/NNST is that relevant - there are lots of bilingual/multilingual/dialects/accents that do not conform neatly #eltchat
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hakan_sentrk
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11:07
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@Shaunwilden but are they instantly corrected by someone with a "how dare you" look? #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:07
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@naomishema Really great point Naomi! I do believe thats an advantage :-) #Eltchat
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Marisa_C
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11:07
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RT @Shaunwilden: @hakan_sentrk Yes but NESTs have that trouble as well :-) #eltchat
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teachingenglish
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11:08
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@Marisa_C perhaps it would be good to start identifying those insecurities - what are they? #ELTChat
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Shaunwilden
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11:08
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RT @japglish: I have a pretty strong London accent, not at all RP, which I wear as badge of pride #eltchat Agr… (cont) http://deck.ly/~f7065
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ShellTerrell
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11:08
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@japglish Yes but I was picked on because of my pronunciation issues & had to take speech therapy classes #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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11:08
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nice spelling #ELTchat
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shaznosel
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11:08
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RT @Marisa_C: I think this chat is not so much abt the advantages of being a NNEST but about how to overcome insicuriets - real or imagined #ELTchat
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japglish
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11:09
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@ShellTerrell ...but, having a working class accent in the distinctly middle class British Council was NOT an advantage #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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11:09
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RT @TeachingEnglish: @Marisa_C perhaps it would be good to start identifying those insecurities - what are they? #ELTChat > Good idea
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divyabrochier
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11:10
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RT @shaznosel: #eltchat I guess, the insecurities a NNEST has about pronunciation, a NEST has about teaching grammar
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harrisonmike
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11:10
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Seriously? Wow RT @ShellTerrell: I have NNESTs friends who haven't been allowed 2 present at ELT conferences, I kno that's an issue #eltchat
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divyabrochier
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11:10
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#eltchat would any of the NNEST describe their knowledge of English as "instinctive"?Discrepancies with NEST/their respective dialects aside
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Shaunwilden
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11:10
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@TeachingEnglish I would say based on what colleagues say, they fear what they teach is not correct english #eltchat
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flocabulary
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11:10
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Hey #eltchat ! We think our New Shakespeare video could help your students if they're struggling with Shakespeare: http://ow.ly/4Ip0C
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shaznosel
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11:10
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#eltchat I guess, the insecurities a NNEST has about pronunciation, a NEST has about teaching grammar
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naomishema
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11:10
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#ELTChat some of the teachers who immigrated from Russia suffer because of the way they pronounce "h". parents complain sometimes
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ShellTerrell
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11:10
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I have NNESTs friends who haven't been allowed to present at ELT conferences, I know that's an issue #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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11:10
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So what strategies do NNESTs use to keep up with their teaching? #eltchat
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annabooklover
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11:11
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Is it already #eltchat time? Am I terribly late? Hello eveyone
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ShellTerrell
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11:11
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RT @Marisa_C: One very obvious insecurity is the questions of pronunciation - Ts want to be good models and some have serious issues #ELTchat
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harrisonmike
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11:11
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Podcasts so widely available, NNESTs can expose themselves to different UK and world English accents without having to travel #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:11
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RT @fionamau: #eltchat I've taught French & more often Spanish. I had 2 prepare more than Eng coz adult sts wanted 2 catch me out,but teens were great
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Shaunwilden
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11:11
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@pysproblem81 Modified? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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11:11
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One very obvious insecurity is the questions of pronunciation - Ts want to be good models and some have serious issues #ELTchat
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lauraesol
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11:11
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#ELTchat It seems we all have the same problems???
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pacogascon
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11:11
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Hi everybody, jumping in #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:11
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@japglish @divyabrochier I think accents are beautiful #eltchat
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pysproblem81
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11:11
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@japglish @ShellTerrell not sure this is related... but my accent modified itself (!?) when I was teaching abroad... #eltchat
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fionamau
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11:11
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#eltchat I've taught French & more often Spanish. I had 2 prepare more than Eng coz adult sts wanted 2 catch me out,but teens were great
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harrisonmike
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11:12
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@ShellTerrell @pysproblem81 I'm the same, even now - teaching voice and with-mates voice #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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11:12
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RT @NoraTouparlaki: @Shaunwilden #ELTchat I can tell from myself, try to stick on grammar rules, and not mak… (cont) http://deck.ly/~H1bSA
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hakan_sentrk
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11:12
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those insecurities are usually connected to pronunciation and usage problems.... #eltchat
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pacogascon
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11:12
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im not that worried bout pronunctiation #eltchat
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naomishema
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11:12
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#eltchat - parents and accents are the biggest insecurity issue for teachers as far as I can tell, as parents don't always see great work
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vbenevolofranca
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11:12
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Hi everyone, joining in now and trying to catch up. #eltchat
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teachingenglish
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11:12
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@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden #ELTChat one way forward is for the teacher to stop trying to be the L2 expert and to take on role as facilitator
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ShellTerrell
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11:12
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So true! RT @japglish: yup, a great fan of accents and important part of identity #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:12
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@pysproblem81 What do you mean by modified? #Eltchat
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divyabrochier
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11:12
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@ShellTerrell #Eltchat I agree completely:)
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Marisa_C
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11:12
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@annabooklover Hello Anna and welcome #eltchat
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japglish
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11:12
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@ShellTerrell @divyabrochier yup, a great fan of accents and important part of identity #eltchat
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DinaDobrou
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11:13
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Apologies I'm a bit late. Hello. I know it's the NEST/NNEST issue but can sb post the exact question plz? Thnx. #ELTchat
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harrisonmike
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11:13
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@pysproblem81 My PGCE mentor got her RP from years spent in Brazil #eltchat
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pinarmanici
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11:13
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Indeed! RT @shaznozel #eltchat I guess, the insecurities a NNEST has about pronunciation, a NEST has about teaching grammar
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Marisa_C
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11:13
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RT @ShellTerrell: Many times I see students discriminate against NNESTs & demand a native speaking teacher #ELTChat
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pacogascon
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11:13
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usage is the hardest button to button #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:13
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Many times I see students discriminate against NNESTs & demand a native speaking teacher #ELTChat
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Shaunwilden
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11:13
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RT @teachingenglish: @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden #ELTChat one way forward is for the teacher to stop trying to be the L2 expert and to take on role as facilitator
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teachingenglish
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11:14
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@ShellTerrell #ELTChat I think this attitude is changing as people realise that most English is spoken between NN
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Shaunwilden
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11:14
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RT @Marisa_C: And many schools indeed discriminate against NNESTs #ELTchat Far too many, the discrimination can be shocking s/times
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DinaDobrou
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11:14
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OK. Insecurities. Got it. #ELTchat
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harrisonmike
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11:14
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@DinaDobrou Insecurities that NNESTs have and how to get over them =) #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:14
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@harrisonmike @pysproblem81 I think I dont switch because of the speech therapy #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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11:14
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And many schools indeed discriminate against NNESTs #ELTchat
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Shaunwilden
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11:14
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@NoraTouparlaki #eltchat yes thats what my colleagues used to do, stick to the rules, then question us in th… (cont) http://deck.ly/~M7IDf
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pacogascon
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11:15
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I feel insecure about collocations, sounding natural #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:15
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@hakan_sentrk Actually when taking my CELTA I found grammar was known more by my NNESTs colleagues #eltchat CC @Marisa_C
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Marisa_C
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11:15
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@TeachingEnglish I think not - British Council jobs are almost a no no for most NNESTs - sorry - I know #ELTChat
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Marisa_C
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11:15
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@vbenevolofranca @DinaDobrou #eltchat Hello and welcome #ELTchat
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hakan_sentrk
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11:15
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teaching grammar is easier for a Nest since he/she has learned the language consciously and knows whats going on #eltchat
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pysproblem81
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11:16
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@Shaunwilden There is a business angle to this sometimes - rightly or wrongly Ss often want NESTs #eltchat
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pacogascon
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11:16
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@Marisa_C internet, dictionary #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:16
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Agree this is an issue! RT @hakan_sentrk: RT @pacogascon: I feel insecure about collocations, sounding natural #eltchat agree
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mkofab
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11:16
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My first #ELTchat so I will just listen (read) I suppose;-)
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shaznosel
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11:16
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#eltchat As teachers, we are performers and all have insecurities..it's nature' s way when 'on stage'
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divyabrochier
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11:16
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RT @Marisa_C: @TeachingEnglish I think not - British Council jobs are almost a no no for most NNESTs - sorry - I know #ELTChat
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Marisa_C
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11:16
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RT @pacogascon: I feel insecure about collocations, sounding natural #eltchat > very good point - How do you check?
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ShellTerrell
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11:16
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@TeachingEnglish I hope so but in Germany & US it hasn't changed much in my experience #ELTChat
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hakan_sentrk
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11:16
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RT @pacogascon: I feel insecure about collocations, sounding natural #eltchat agree
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hakan_sentrk
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11:17
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@Marisa_C best way to check is ask a native, they usually know how right or wrong it feels., which NNests might lack.. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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11:17
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@TeachingEnglish I agree about supporting - here we are talking about HIRING :-) #ELTChat
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ShellTerrell
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11:17
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RT @NoraTouparlaki: have also faced that, that's because of the flow of the speech native teachers have #eltchat
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DinaDobrou
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11:17
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@Marisa_C @TeachingEnglish Not only. Even jobs abroad clearly state: NESTS only (with a passport from an English speaking country) #ELTchat
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divyabrochier
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11:17
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@vbenevolofranca I don't think this should be an official label but the role the teacher choses to take on in the class #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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11:17
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RT @pinarmanici: I don't think NNESTs should speak like NESTs to teach English.We have inventions called "language awareness" and "learner autonomy" #eltchat
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teachingenglish
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11:17
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@Marisa_C #ELTChat it depends on the country I think - the British Council does a lot to support NNESTs too
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Shaunwilden
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11:17
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RT @pacogascon: I feel insecure about collocations, sounding natural #eltchat after 15 years living abroad s… (cont) http://deck.ly/~9Cy8v
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ShellTerrell
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11:17
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RT @pinarmanici: I don't think NNESTs should speak like NESTs to teach English.We have inventions called "language awareness" and "learner autonomy" #eltchat
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abfromz
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11:17
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RT @mkofab: My first #ELTchat so I will just listen (read) I suppose;-) >me too!
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Marisa_C
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11:17
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@pacogascon I tend to google a lot and use concordancers and collocation samplers #eltchat
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japglish
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11:17
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@pacogascon I think you should have a look at transcripts of natural conversation among native speakers - total gibberish #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:17
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@mkofab Welcome to #ELTChat if you have anything to add feel free but lurking allowed
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pinarmanici
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11:17
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I don't think NNESTs should speak like NESTs to teach English.We have inventions called "language awareness" and "learner autonomy" #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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11:18
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Use twitter to check against colleagues - #ELTchat - I find this a quick a fab solution
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divyabrochier
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11:18
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@Marisa_C nice Marisa:) #eltchat
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pinarmanici
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11:18
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My teacher used to say /flud/ for flood buy dont i know the correct one? I do. #eltchat
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jurylady
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11:18
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RT @Marisa_C: Join us for #ELTChat on NNEST's (like me) & their insecurities about teaching a language that isn't their mother tongue!
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naomishema
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11:18
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#eltchat Sorry all, can't "stay out" this late tonight - hope to be able to attend a full chat next week!
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Marisa_C
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11:18
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@hakan_sentrk That's always a great idea - but in the absence of a handy native, google it #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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11:18
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@pysproblem81 Yes i can understand that but schools need to explain to them the ads of NNESTs not just not employ them #eltchat
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grahamstanley
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11:18
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@Marisa_C #ELTChat fair point - again, this happens in some countries, but I agree - not all
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divyabrochier
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11:18
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RT @Marisa_C: @TeachingEnglish I agree about supporting - here we are talking about HIRING :-) #ELTChat
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NoraTouparlaki
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11:18
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RT @pinarmanici: I don't think NNESTs should speak like NESTs to teach English.We have inventions called "language awareness" and "learner autonomy" #eltchat
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japglish
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11:19
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@pacogascon I can understand that, but you would be surprised just HOW inaccurate fast NS speech really is #eltchat
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hakan_sentrk
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11:19
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RT @Marisa_C: Use twitter to check against colleagues - #ELTchat - I find this a quick a fab solution -agree
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tarabenwell
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11:19
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@englishraven had a great post or comment somewhere about eliminating the word NNEST. #ELTChat Anyone know how to find it?
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ShellTerrell
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11:19
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Yes I've know a few now RT @Marisa_C: And many schools indeed discriminate against NNESTs #ELTchat
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Shaunwilden
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11:19
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@mkofab Hi, welcome to #eltchat
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pysproblem81
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11:19
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@Shaunwilden that's a good point... think it's tricky to communicate though - do some schools do it? #eltchat
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BethCagnol
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11:19
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RT @cerirhiannon: #eltchat hi, everyone, arriving late, going to lurk till I catch up :)
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Marisa_C
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11:19
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@hakan_sentrk true #eltchat
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annabooklover
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11:19
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I've insecurities 2, but I don't let it show in class. Students convinced I'm English.They ask me "Are U from inside England miss?" #eltchat
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hakan_sentrk
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11:19
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@Marisa_C sure I google it or perform a google fight but sometimes you cannot trust the Internet since it is full of NNESTs!! #eltchat
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pacogascon
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11:19
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@cerirhiannon HI #eltchat
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divyabrochier
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11:19
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RT @pysproblem81: @Shaunwilden There is a business angle to this sometimes - rightly or wrongly Ss often want NESTs #eltchat
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cerirhiannon
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11:19
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#eltchat hi, everyone, arriving late, going to lurk till I catch up :)
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DinaDobrou
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11:20
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RT @ShellTerrell: If you're a NNEST & are discriminated from a position or doing a presentation let your PLN know because we'll support you #ELTchat
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Shaunwilden
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11:20
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RT @ShellTerrell: If you're a NNEST & are discriminated from a position or doing a presentation let your PLN know because we'll support you #ELTchat
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pacogascon
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11:20
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@japglish @cerirhiannon well, thats a relief #eltchat
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BethCagnol
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11:20
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RT @teachingenglish: #ELTChat the advantage a NNest has over a native speaker is empathy - having learnt the language they know what their sts are going thru
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Shaunwilden
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11:20
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@pysproblem81 I hope so, I like to think i changed the school i worked at in that way :-) #ELTchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:20
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If you're a NNEST & are discriminated from a position or doing a presentation let your PLN know because we'll support you #ELTchat
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cerirhiannon
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11:20
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RT @japglish: @pacogascon I can understand that, but you would be surprised just HOW inaccurate fast NS speech really is #eltchat
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japglish
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11:21
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@pacogascon @cerirhiannon it's a fact and one of the biggest arguments against inauthentic dialogues in course books #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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11:21
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RT @NoraTouparlaki: @annabooklover is it right to hide it??#ELTchat
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pacogascon
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11:21
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RT @TeachingEnglish: #ELTChat the advantage a NNest has over a native speaker is empathy - good insight
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Marisa_C
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11:21
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@NoraTouparlaki Nora can you pls add the #ELTchat hashtag?
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cerirhiannon
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11:22
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RT @grahamstanley: @DinaDobrou @ShellTerrell #ELTChat look at roots of this discrimination > usually marketing NSs sold as USP
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BethCagnol
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11:22
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RT @ShellTerrell: @japglish @divyabrochier I think accents are beautiful #eltchat
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grahamstanley
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11:22
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@DinaDobrou @ShellTerrell #ELTChat it would be interesting to look at the roots of this discrimination - then maybe it can be stopped
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cerirhiannon
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11:22
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RT @japglish: @pacogascon @cerirhiannon it's a fact and one of the biggest arguments against inauthentic dialogues in course books #eltchat
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divyabrochier
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11:23
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#eltchat @grahamstanley I think the root is in the fact that we teach language, which is not a "subject" but a whole form of communication
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hakan_sentrk
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11:23
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root is usually customers who demand native speakers #eltchat
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tarabenwell
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11:23
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Love this great post: Can NNEST do Dogme? via @lunas994: http://lunas994.blogspot.com/2010/11/raised-by-nnests.html #ELTChat
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japglish
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11:23
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@cerirhiannon @grahamstanley @DinaDobrou @ShellTerrell students themselves to be honest push for NSTs #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:23
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I know that @kenwilsonlondon is a huge supporter of NNEST, often blogs about it #eltchat http://bit.ly/Rxabo
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cerirhiannon
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11:23
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RT @pacogascon: googling 4 mistakes can be misleading as long as lots of sites are written by NNspeakers #eltchat > :) that's ELF for you!
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lauraesol
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11:23
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RT @lauraesol: @pacogascon empathy is gained when you travel in another country too #eltchat
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pacogascon
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11:23
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googling 4 mistakes can be misleading as long as lots of sites are written by NNspeakers #eltchat
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DinaDobrou
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11:24
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@Marisa_C @TeachingEnglish Wanted to say here: I would be OK if you were even given a chance to prove you're worth your salt. #ELTchat
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grahamstanley
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11:24
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@japglish #ELTChat yes, but why is that? I know in Spain it comes from history of many NNESTs poor language level - this is changing though
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sandymillin
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11:24
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@mkofab Welcome! And jump in whenever you feel like it :) #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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11:24
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@tarabenwell The question of doing dogme does plague many NNESTs I know - what if I don't feel confident abt emergent lang? #ELTChat
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BethCagnol
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11:24
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RT @ShellTerrell: I know that @kenwilsonlondon is a huge supporter of NNEST, often blogs about it #eltchat http://bit.ly/Rxabo
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cerirhiannon
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11:24
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RT @japglish students themselves to be honest push for NSTs #eltchat > not always, have been in sits where beginners prefer NNs
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ShellTerrell
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11:24
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RT @BethCagnol: #eltchat do any of you think that maybe one should teach their non-native language B4 they can really judge on NNS insecurities?
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Shaunwilden
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11:24
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RT @divyabrochier: #eltchat @grahamstanley I think the root is in the fact that we teach language, which is not a "subject" but a whole form of communication
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BethCagnol
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11:24
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#eltchat do any of you think that maybe one should teach their non-native language B4 they can really judge on NNS insecurities?
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pacogascon
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11:25
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@sandymillin @Marisa_C I rely n concordancers rather than google #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:25
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RT @BethCagnol: #eltchat What urks me are job ads that ask for NS only.
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ShellTerrell
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11:25
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@bethcagnol Good question! #eltchat
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BethCagnol
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11:25
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#eltchat What urks me are job ads that ask for NS only.
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annabooklover
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11:25
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RT @divyabrochier: #eltchat @grahamstanley I think the root is in the fact that we teach language, which is not a "subject" but a whole form of communication
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pacogascon
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11:25
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@cerirhiannon @japglish Yes, thats my case 12 year olds feel insecure and prefer spanish teachers #eltchat
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sandymillin
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11:25
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RT @Marisa_C: @pacogascon I tend to google a lot and use concordancers and collocation samplers #eltchat <me2 and I'm a NEST :)
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DinaDobrou
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11:25
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@cerirhiannon @grahamstanley @ShellTerrell Sorry, didn't get that. USP? #ELTchat
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harrisonmike
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11:25
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Language is not content. I don't think enuf ppl see it this way. Hence the grammar-mcnuggetised coursebook hegemony&worries abt it! #eltchat
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BethCagnol
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11:25
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RT @ShellTerrell: If you're a NNEST & are discriminated from a position or doing a presentation let your PLN know because we'll support you #ELTchat
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divyabrochier
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11:25
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#eltchat @grahamstanley and so there's an insecurity on both sides
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cerirhiannon
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11:25
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RT @bethcagnol: #eltchat maybe one should teach their non-native language B4 they can really judge on NNS insecurities? > it helps!
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DinaDobrou
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11:26
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@tarabenwell @lunas994 I wanted to say that one of my insecurities is dogme at advanced level. Can't walk into class just like that #ELTchat
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sandymillin
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11:26
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RT @pacogascon: @Marisa_C I rely n concordancers rather than google #eltchat <think bth r useful. Some concordancers don't have things I say
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cerirhiannon
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11:26
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RT @Marisa_C: @divyabrochier #ELTchat on both sides, for sure, NEST trainees usually go into rigor mortis when they 1st see a grammar book
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NikkiFortova
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11:26
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RT @pacogascon: @sandymillin @Marisa_C I rely n concordancers rather than google #eltchat> definitely more reliable :-)
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theteacherjames
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11:26
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RT @japglish: @pacogascon I can understand that, but you would be surprised just HOW inaccurate fast NS speech really is #eltchat
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cerirhiannon
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11:26
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RT @pacogascon: @cerirhiannon @japglish Yes, 12 year olds feel insecure and prefer spanish teachers #eltchat > same w adults in Hungary
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Marisa_C
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11:26
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@divyabrochier #ELTchat on both sides, for sure, NEST trainees usually go into rigor mortis when they 1st see a grammar book
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ShellTerrell
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11:26
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@bethcagnol worked for an institution where they not only wouldnt hire NNESTs but they wouldnt hire NESTs with strong accents #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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11:26
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RT @bethcagnol: #eltchat What urks me are job ads that ask for NS only - Me too though occasionally it is a visa thing
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japglish
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11:26
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@grahamstanley Perhaps, but likely to be connected to history of colonialism and identity issues I'd say #eltchat
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sandymillin
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11:27
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@Marisa_C Yep, or when at school I walk into the staffroom! Even as a NEST, question my lang all the time! #ELTchat
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pacogascon
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11:27
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@japglish @theteacherjames yes but NS take mistakes for granted, it happens to me when speaking spanish #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:27
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@bethcagnol I thought Spanish & was insecure even though I learned Spanish when I was younger #eltchat
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hakan_sentrk
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11:27
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@surreallyno what do you mean with "misuse"? #ELTchat
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cerirhiannon
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11:27
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harking back 2an earlier #eltchat on the subject, it's teaching competence and awareness of the language & learners' needs that are imp
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teachingenglish
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11:27
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@Marisa_C this is why a move to facilitating is a good idea #ELTChat
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surreallyno
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11:27
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I am a NNspeaker and still find it irritating for a teacher to misuse language on the basis that they are NNs. Am I being arrogant?#ELTchat
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sandymillin
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11:27
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RT @Marisa_C: Join us for #ELTChat on NNEST's (like me) & their insecurities about teaching a language that isn't their mother tongue!
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BethCagnol
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11:27
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@ShellTerrell I've never taught another language other than English, so I'm trying to be careful with my thoughts here. #ELTChat
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Marisa_C
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11:27
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@sandymillin that's right - and not enough of a corpus to use #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:28
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@pinarmanici I believe it! #Eltchat
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surreallyno
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11:28
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@hakan_sentrk I refer to all language levels - pronunciation, syntax, morphology, semantics. #ELTchat
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Shaunwilden
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11:28
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@surreallyno But native speakers can be guilty of teaching 'wrong' stuff as well #ELTchat
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sandymillin
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11:28
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@hakan_sentrk @Marisa_C But saying "the internet is full of NNESTs" promotes idea that only NEST English is 'right' :( #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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11:28
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@surreallyno What about if they misuse (i.e. when using a non-teaching register) as a native speaker? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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11:28
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@surreallyno No - but there is research abt that NNESTs much less tolerant to errors of accuracy than NESTs #ELTchat
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divyabrochier
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11:28
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#eltchat @hakan_sentrk and thus a lot more instinctive (sorry to keep using this word) which is why an NEST might question a NNEST's ability
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Shaunwilden
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11:28
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@surreallyno No sure i understand #ELTchat
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teachingenglish
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11:28
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RT @cerirhiannon: harking back 2an earlier #eltchat ...it's teaching competence and awareness of the language & learners' needs that are imp
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DinaDobrou
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11:28
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@japglish @cerirhiannon @grahamstanley @ShellTerrell Here in Greece, sts' parents push more. #ELTchat
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surreallyno
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11:28
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Many of my st. had problems precisely because of the wrong use of language by previous educators.#ELTchat
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tarabenwell
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11:28
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Have you ever seen an ad that said school would only hire teachers who had learned a second language? #ELTChat Might be more sensible
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tarabenwell
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11:29
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RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: @surreallyno But native speakers can be guilty of teaching 'wrong' stuff as well #ELTchat > Very true
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shaznosel
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11:29
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@cerirhiannon #eltchat same problem in Greece..actually had parents complain that a NEST should not be teaching grammar
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annabooklover
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11:29
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RT @tarabenwell: Have you ever seen an ad that said school would only hire teachers who had learned a second language? #ELTChat Might be more sensible
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surreallyno
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11:29
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I think a good teacher strives for excellence. We expect that from our students, don't we...? #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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11:29
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@Shaunwilden I ve seen many lessons like that by NESTs #ELTchat
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divyabrochier
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11:29
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RT @sandymillin: @hakan_sentrk @Marisa_C But saying "the internet is full of NNESTs" promotes idea that only NEST English is 'right' :( #eltchat
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teachingenglish
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11:29
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RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: @surreallyno But native speakers can be guilty of teaching 'wrong' stuff as well #ELTchat > Very true
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theteacherjames
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11:29
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@BethCagnol @teachingenglish Empathy - the teacher could have learned another language. #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:29
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RT @pinarmanici: wasn't hired once just coz I was Turkish (In Turkey). She made it clear she liked me but parents expect a NEST #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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11:29
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RT @Shaunwilden: @surreallyno But native speakers can be guilty of teaching 'wrong' stuff as well #ELTchat > Very true
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pacogascon
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11:29
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RT @Marisa_C: @surreallyno No - but there is research abt that NNESTs much less tolerant to errors of accuracy than NESTs #ELTchat TRUE
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BethCagnol
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11:29
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@Shaunwilden Here in France, I find NS are kept out of the public system and in the private system, the NNS are shunned. #ELTChat
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pacogascon
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11:30
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RT @shaznosel #eltchat same problem in Greece..actually had parents complain that a NEST should not be teaching grammar>How come?!
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lauraesol
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11:30
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#eltchat re NNESTS http://bit.ly/mAsnXr
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divyabrochier
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11:30
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@shaznosel #eltchat that's hilarious!:)
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sedayyildirim
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11:30
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am I late ? :) @lauraesol #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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11:30
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@sandymillin @Marisa_C @hakan_sentrk Let's not 4get that there r wider issues when using internet Engl (po rn, gaming lang, txtspk) #eltchat
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surreallyno
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11:30
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@TeachingEnglish True. But the percentage is way smaller. #ELTchat
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BethCagnol
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11:30
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@ShellTerrell Geez, DM me the institution and I'll apply with a thick accent from North Carolina. ;-) #ELTChat
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hakan_sentrk
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11:30
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to what extent are mistakes forgiven? Does the teacher know its a mistake at that moment? #ELTchat
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divyabrochier
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11:30
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RT @shaznosel: @cerirhiannon #eltchat same problem in Greece..actually had parents complain that a NEST should not be teaching grammar
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teachingenglish
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11:30
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RT @theteacherjames: @BethCagnol Empathy - the teacher could have learned another language. #eltchat > the teacher SHOULD I think
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jurylady
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11:30
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RT @ShellTerrell: Many times I see students discriminate against NNESTs & demand a native speaking teacher #ELTChat
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Shaunwilden
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11:30
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@Marisa_C Yes me too, the joys of being a teacher trainer with NESTs who are ignorant of their own language :-) #ELTchat
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divyabrochier
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11:31
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RT @Shaunwilden: @hakan_sentrk It's this idea of mistakes - I live in the Uk now and hear more 'mistakes' now than I did in when I lived abroad #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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11:31
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@pacogascon Myths legends and handmedown untruths #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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11:31
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@pacogascon @japglish But it shows the folly of the native speaker as model, surely? #eltchat
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elisacazorla
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11:31
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RT @teachingenglish: RT @theteacherjames: @BethCagnol Empathy - the teacher could have learned another language. #eltchat > the teacher SHOULD I think
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Shaunwilden
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11:31
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@hakan_sentrk It's this idea of mistakes - I live in the Uk now and hear more 'mistakes' now than I did in when I lived abroad #ELTchat
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BethCagnol
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11:31
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RT @tarabenwell: Have you ever seen an ad that said school would only hire teachers who had learned a second language? #ELTChat Might be more sensible
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sandymillin
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11:32
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RT @tarabenwell: ever seen ad "school will only hire teachers who had learned a second language?" #ELTChat Might be more sensible <agreed
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hakan_sentrk
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11:32
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@Shaunwilden I agree that English has become such a global language that it is sometimes difficult the distinguish a mistake #ELTchat
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vbenevolofranca
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11:32
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@bethcagnol @Shaunwilden In Brazil NS probably will never make state schools system, but NNS are the majority in private schools. #eltchat
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japglish
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11:32
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@sandymillin @cerirhiannon it happens, but not the norm in Priv. Sect where NSs appear generally pref. Pub sector diff story #eltchat
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sedayyildirim
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11:33
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RT @lauraesol: #eltchat re NNESTS http://bit.ly/mAsnXr
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divyabrochier
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11:33
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#eltchat I think there's a real fear amongst all teachers when it comes to teaching pronunciation.
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pacogascon
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11:33
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(offtopic) Sorry, Barcelona has just scored 2nd #eltchat
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AnseoAMuinteoir
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11:34
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RT @divyabrochier: #eltchat I think there's a real fear amongst all teachers when it comes to teaching pronunciation.
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cerirhiannon
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11:34
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Fully Competent Speaker of English as an International Language (Penny Ur's term @TESOL Spain) - that's what we shd aim for #eltchat
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BethCagnol
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11:34
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@divyabrochier Teaching pronunciation? Or using/learning the IPA? #ELTChat
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Shaunwilden
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11:34
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@vbenevolofranca But isnt that a case of naivety of the parents that schools need to address? #ELTchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:34
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RT @divyabrochier: #eltchat I think there's a real fear amongst all teachers when it comes to teaching pronunciation.
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Marisa_C
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11:34
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I find that many NNESTs are more focused on text #ELTchat - it's how they learnt possibly and not enough listening exposure
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vbenevolofranca
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11:34
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@bethcagnol @Shaunwilden But quite often issue of accent crops up when hiring NNESTs. This is something parents are concerned about #eltchat
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pacogascon
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11:35
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I normally have International English in mind when teaching #eltchat
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vbenevolofranca
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11:35
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RT @Marisa_C I find that many NNESTs are more focused on text #ELTchat - it's how they learnt possibly & not enough listening exposure>agree
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tarabenwell
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11:35
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@divyabrochier Re pronunciation fear: I recommend watching Robin Walker's session from #IATEFL http://tinyurl.com/3k8c58z #ELTChat
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teachingenglish
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11:35
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RT @cerirhiannon: Fully Competent Speaker of English as an International Language (Penny Ur's term @TESOL Spain) - that's aim #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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11:35
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@ShellTerrell @bethcagnol #eltchat In Korea, only 6 types of native can get teaching visas.
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Shaunwilden
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11:35
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@DinaDobrou I wasnt making an excuse for it #ELTchat
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shaznosel
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11:35
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@TeachingEnglish #eltchat totally agree. If the NEST doesn't check the grammar section...students are confused..
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lolonagi
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11:35
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topics #eltchat late :S
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nutrich
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11:35
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RT @Shaunwilden: @vbenevolofranca But isnt that a case of naivety of the parents that schools need to address? #ELTchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:35
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RT @hakan_sentrk: I agree that English has become such a global language that it is sometimes difficult the distinguish a mistake #ELTchat
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Shaunwilden
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11:36
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RT @shaznosel: #eltchat in Greece parents complain that a NEST should not be teaching grammar - In my 1st yr there I wasnt allowed to!
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ShellTerrell
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11:36
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What should an institute or admin do if parents complain about hiring a NNEST? #ELTchat
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divyabrochier
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11:36
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@vbenevolofranca feeling intimidated when I get asked "and where exactly are you from?":) #eltchat
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BethCagnol
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11:36
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@vbenevolofranca @shaunwilden Re accent: I just LOVE Catherine Walter's Texan accent. #ELTChat
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lolonagi
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11:36
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@ShellTerrell thanks :) #eltchat
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cerirhiannon
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11:36
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RT @shaznosel: #eltchat in Greece parents complain that a NEST should not be teaching grammar> heard about this in Turkey too
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ShellTerrell
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11:36
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@lolonagi Insecurities of Non Native English Speaking Teachers #eltchat
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sandymillin
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11:36
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RT @cerirhiannon: Fully Competent Speaker of English as an International Language (Penny Ur's term @TESOL Spain) - that's what we shd aim for #eltchat
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BethCagnol
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11:36
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@vbenevolofranca @shaunwilden I find the worry over accent (from parents). Makes you want to show them Catherine Walter's plenary #ELTChat
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surreallyno
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11:37
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RT @sandymillin: As lang learner had NESTs and NNESTs who were rubbish and amazing - nothing to do w/ native-ness. Teaching is a skill! #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:37
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RT @pacogascon: I normally have International English in mind when teaching #eltchat
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pacogascon
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11:37
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RT @ShellTerrell: What should an institute or admin do if parents complain about hiring a NNEST? #ELTchat hard:Private school = business
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ShellTerrell
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11:37
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RT @sandymillin: As lang learner had NESTs and NNESTs who were rubbish and amazing - nothing to do w/ native-ness. Teaching is a skill! #eltchat
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hakan_sentrk
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11:37
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RT @cerirhiannon: RT @shaznosel: #eltchat parents believe in L1 instructions when teaching grammar, hence they prefer Nnests
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japglish
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11:37
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@ShellTerrell defend the NNEST to the hilt if the teaching itself is not the object of the complaint #eltchat
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Ayse_Kalkan
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11:37
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RT @pacogascon: I normally have International English in mind when teaching #eltchat
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mkofab
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11:37
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@divyabrochier ronunciation is sth you can learn- what is far more diff for NNEST is collocations, idiomatic language, register #ELTchat
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sandymillin
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11:37
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As lang learner had NESTs and NNESTs who were rubbish and amazing - nothing to do w/ native-ness. Teaching is a skill! #eltchat
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cerirhiannon
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11:37
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RT @pacogascon: I normally have International English in mind when teaching #eltchat >totally, Paco, I really hope NS/NNS is on its way out!
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sedayyildirim
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11:37
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@divyabrochier yep , I sometimes find myself guilty in pronounciaton . #eltchat
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TeacherMona
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11:37
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RT @Marisa_C: Join us in 20min for #ELTChat Topic: Nonnative tchers of English & their insecurities about teaching a lang that isnt their mother tongue!
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DinaDobrou
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11:37
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@Shaunwilden I didn't think you were. I was just giving an example. :) #ELTchat
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lolonagi
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11:37
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I have this feeling when I speak in front of english natives #eltchat do not know why :S
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ShellTerrell
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11:38
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@japglish @Shaunwilden What are specific ways they can do this & communicate to parents? I want to pass to admin I know #eltchat
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mkofab
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11:38
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@tarabenwell @divyabrochier That was VERY good session! Do watch! #ELTchat
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surreallyno
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11:38
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RT @Shaunwilden: @ShellTerrell The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat
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vbenevolofranca
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11:38
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RT @tarabenwell: @divyabrochier Re pronunciation fear: I recommend watching Robin Walker's session from #IATEFL http://tinyurl.com/3k8c58z #ELTChat
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cerirhiannon
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11:38
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RT @Shaunwilden: @ShellTerrell The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat
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hakan_sentrk
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11:38
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RT @Shaunwilden: @ShellTerrell The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat
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Shaunwilden
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11:38
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@ShellTerrell The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat
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lolonagi
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11:38
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@Marisa_C do not know why Marica honestly :) #eltchat
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pinarmanici
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11:38
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@divyabrochier Some NNS teachers are not familiar with IPA. Insecurity might be a natural outcome #ELTchat
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cerirhiannon
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11:38
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RT @sandymillin: As lang learner had NESTs and NNESTs - nothing to do w/ native-ness. Teaching is a skill! #eltchat> totally!
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Marisa_C
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11:38
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@lolonagi that's what we\re talking about - how to overcome it #eltchat
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vbenevolofranca
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11:38
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@Shaunwilden Absolutely! ItΒ΄s up to DOSs deconstruct this idea...but this is a thorny aspect... #ELTchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:39
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@lolonagi We did an interview together & we had no problems at all understanding each other #eltchat
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DinaDobrou
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11:39
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RT @tarabenwell: Plenty of new materials/ideas/tools for teaching pronunciation on EC in the past few months: http://englishclub.com/s/?cp #ELTChat
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pacogascon
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11:39
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@cerirhiannon @sandymillin Totally agree #eltchat
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mickstout
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11:39
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RT @Marisa_C: I find that many NNESTs are more focused on text #ELTchat - it's how they learnt possibly and not enough listening exposure
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shaznosel
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11:39
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@vbenevolofranca #eltchat Same in Greece..no NESTS in state schools..my son's English teacher told me he can'… (cont) http://deck.ly/~RL1ah
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harrisonmike
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11:39
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@pinarmanici @divyabrochier Some native speakers not familiar (or 100% au fait) with IPA!! [I wasn't at first!] #eltchat
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lolonagi
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11:39
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RT @tarabenwell: Plenty of new materials/ideas/tools for teaching pronunciation on EC in the past few months: http://englishclub.com/s/?cp #ELTChat
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BethCagnol
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11:39
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RT @Shaunwilden: @ShellTerrell The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat
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NoraTouparlaki
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11:39
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RT @Shaunwilden: @ShellTerrell The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat
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sandymillin
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11:39
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RT @Shaunwilden: @ShellTerrell The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat <2nded
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tarabenwell
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11:39
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Plenty of new materials/ideas/tools for teaching pronunciation on EC in the past few months: http://englishclub.com/s/?cp #ELTChat
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lolonagi
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11:39
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it happened to me more than once I fear they feel I speak english in a "incomprehensible" way #eltchat
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sandymillin
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11:39
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& have taught French, German and Spanish - much harder than English! felt like needed more prep, but cos I didn't know classrm lang #eltchat
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vbenevolofranca
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11:39
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RT @BethCagnol: @vbenevolofranca @shaunwilden I find the worry over accent (from parents). Makes you want to show them Catherine Walter's plenary #ELTChat
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japglish
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11:39
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@japglish bad business model to be driven by customer prejudices rather than following teaching quality as guide #eltchat
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japglish
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11:40
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@ShellTerrell I used to talk about the teacher, compare unfavourably to a mythical, sacked NS, lose customer if necessary #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:40
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Agree! RT @Shaunwilden: The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat
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Shaunwilden
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11:40
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@ShellTerrell And make parallels to other professions - i.e. you'd want the best lawyer you could get not matter their origin etc #ELTchat
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sandymillin
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11:40
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RT @naomishema: #eltchat some of the Ts who immigrated from Russia suffer because of the way they pronounce "h". parents complain sometimes
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cerirhiannon
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11:40
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RT @Marisa_C: And yet although many teachers have these issues, they are reluctant to go for a good language course #ELTchat sth which would address them
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tarabenwell
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11:40
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If you know of any teachers looking to "practise" teaching pronunciation. Let me know. I need volunteers in MyEC group. #ELTChat
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Marisa_C
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11:40
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And yet although many teachers have these issues, they are reluctant to go for a good language course #ELTchat sth which would address them
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lolonagi
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11:40
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@ShellTerrell yes Shelly, but btw I felt awkward #eltchat
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hakan_sentrk
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11:40
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back in the 90s, we criticize school managements for hiring NS without qualifications. Only qualification was them being a NS #eltchat
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mickstout
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11:40
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RT @sandymillin: RT @Shaunwilden: @ShellTerrell The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat <2nded
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ShellTerrell
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11:40
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Gr8 tip! RT @Shaunwilden: We used to have an open week, when parents could watch classes then they see how it makes no difference #ELTchat
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Shaunwilden
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11:40
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@ShellTerrell We used to have an open week, when parents could watch classes then they see how it makes no difference #ELTchat
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lauraesol
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11:41
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RT @ShellTerrell: RT @Shaunwilden: And make parallels to other professions - i.e. u'd want the best lawyer you could get not matter their origin etc #ELTchat
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Shaunwilden
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11:41
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RT @japglish: @ShellTerrell I used to talk about the teacher, compare unfavourably to a mythical, sacked NS, lose customer if necessary #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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11:41
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@DinaDobrou Winging it does take a lot of both linguistic as well as methodological confidence #ELTchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:41
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RT @Shaunwilden: And make parallels to other professions - i.e. u'd want the best lawyer you could get not matter their origin etc #ELTchat
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DinaDobrou
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11:41
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RT @tarabenwell: If you know of any teachers looking to "practise" teaching pronunciation. Let me know. I need volunteers in MyEC group. #ELTChat
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lauraesol
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11:41
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RT @ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @Shaunwilden: The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat
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lolonagi
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11:41
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@ShellTerrell hehehehehehe :D #eltchat
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pacogascon
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11:41
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RT @ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @Shaunwilden: The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat
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BethCagnol
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11:41
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@Shaunwilden That's a good idea (letting parents watch). #ELTChat
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ShellTerrell
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11:41
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@lolonagi I felt awkward too! I always do when interviewed :-) #Eltchat
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DinaDobrou
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11:42
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RT @japglish: @ShellTerrell at the end of the day, Ss themselves recognise teaching quality - don't be afraid to lose prejudiced customers #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:42
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RT @japglish: at the end of the day, Ss themselves recognise teaching quality - don't be afraid to lose prejudiced customers #eltchat
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pysproblem81
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11:42
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@sandymillin I found it much harder to grade my language teaching Spanish... not sure if that's a common experience #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:42
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RT @divyabrochier: this is where I think language is so unique compared to any other subject area, thus more of a sensitive issue #eltchat
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japglish
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11:42
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@ShellTerrell at the end of the day, Ss themselves recognise teaching quality - don't be afraid to lose prejudiced customers #eltchat
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sandymillin
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11:42
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RT @Marisa_C: @DinaDobrou Winging it does take a lot of both linguistic as well as methodological confidence #ELTchat
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DinaDobrou
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11:42
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RT @ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @Shaunwilden: The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat
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cerirhiannon
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11:43
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RT @lolonagi: so how can we over come this when it comes to speaking in front of natives #eltchat > I think the majority of NS are impressed
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cybraryman1
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11:43
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RT @ShellTerrell RT @Shaunwilden: origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, quality of the teaching is >agree! #eltchat
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sandymillin
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11:43
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@pysproblem81 I found that too, partly because I didn't feel I knew enough words! & was busy thinking about my grammar etc #eltchat
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legyened
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11:43
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I've noticed my NNS colleagues tend to seize on one another's errors with unnecessary glee. No wonder folks are insecure! #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:43
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RT @cerirhiannon: as devil's advocate u could say that in some contexts its a case of the job insecurity of NES Ts #eltchat - grass is greener?
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vbenevolofranca
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11:43
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RT @ShellTerrell Agree! RT @Shaunwilden: origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, quality of the teaching is >agree! #eltchat
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lolonagi
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11:43
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so how can we over come this when it comes to speaking in front of natives #eltchat
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cerirhiannon
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11:43
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as devil's advocate u could say that in some contexts its a case of the job insecurity of NES Ts #eltchat - grass is greener?
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sandymillin
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11:44
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@legyened NESTs joke about each other's errors & it stays a joke, but if NNESTs do it, can be seen as criticism #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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11:44
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@divyabrochier I dont disagree but I think a stand needs to be taken when it comes to discrimination #ELTchat
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vbenevolofranca
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11:44
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RT @BethCagnol: @Shaunwilden That's a good idea (letting parents watch). #ELTChat
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lolonagi
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11:44
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@sandymillin me too about z grammar #eltchat
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hakan_sentrk
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11:44
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RT @shaznosel: @hakan_sentrk I understand the parents..but give me a chance to show them my way!! PRODUCTION HAPPPENS! >agree #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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11:44
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RT @Shaunwilden: @ShellTerrell The origin of the teacher is not what should be defended, the quality of the teaching is #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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11:44
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RT @lolonagi: so how can we over come this when it comes to speaking in front of natives #eltchat > Ts are learners too
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pacogascon
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11:44
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Sometimes NNests feel the urge to brush up on the foreign lang they teach (taking courses, travelling abroad) #eltchat
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lolonagi
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11:44
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I used to get nervous when I say a word a native does nt understand #eltchat
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cerirhiannon
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11:45
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RT @japglish:nothing great abt conditions offered to NSTs. Pub sector NNEST better for pensions, hols #eltchat > yup, 2 sides ;)
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lolonagi
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11:45
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I heard lovely story from a british T, he said when u have a good lang ppl will stop commenting on ur accent #eltchat
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hakan_sentrk
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11:45
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RT @sandymillin: @legyened NESTs joke about each other's errors & it stays a joke, but if NNESTs do it, can be seen as criticism #eltchat
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eltbakery
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11:45
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I've just added +2 activities >> Good variety of Royal Wedding Activities http://tinyurl.com/yhoxwt6 #elt #tefl #eltchat
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cerirhiannon
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11:45
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RT @harrisonmike: @pinarmanici By same token though, as a native speaker I had no idea at first where to mark stress or even if there was a logic! #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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11:45
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@lolonagi pair up with a NEST colleague and skype - ask for feedback - #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:45
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RT @brad5patterson: RT @tarabenwell: If u know any teachers looking to "practise" teaching pronunciation. Let me know. I need volunteers in MyEC group. #ELTChat
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japglish
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11:45
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@cerirhiannon spiinning the question, nothing great abt conditions offered to NSTs. Pub sector NNEST better for pensions, hols #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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11:45
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@pinarmanici By same token though, as a native speaker I had no idea at first where to mark stress or even if there was a logic! #eltchat
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brad5patterson
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11:45
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RT @tarabenwell: If u know any teachers looking to "practise" teaching pronunciation. Let me know. I need volunteers in MyEC group. #ELTChat
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cybraryman1
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11:46
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My Pronunciation page: http://bit.ly/dpZttj #eltchat
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lolonagi
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11:46
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@Marisa_C thanks :) #eltchat
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Stewardess
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11:46
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RT @flocabulary: Hey #eltchat ! We think our New Shakespeare video could help your students if they're struggling with Shakespeare: http://ow.ly/4Ip0C
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vbenevolofranca
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11:46
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@divyabrochier ThatΒ΄s when we answer "I come from X, & I'm a proficient English language speaker, & I've never lived in the USA, UK #eltchat
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divyabrochier
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11:46
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#eltchat I think there is a gradual change that is already taking place, it's not the same as it was 11 years ago when jaws would drop...
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DinaDobrou
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11:46
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@Marisa_C Indeed. Lots of tricks up your sleeve. Tho linguistic competence (& pronunciation) is wht seems to matter most in Greece. #ELTchat
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eannegrenoble
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11:46
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RT @tarabenwell: @divyabrochier Re pronunciation fear: I recommend Robin Walker's #IATEFL session http://tinyurl.com/3k8c58z #ELTChat thx
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divyabrochier
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11:47
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RT @springrose12: @Marisa_C @lolonagi In the UK there're many different dialects.Let's accept that there's not one way of speaking English #eltchat
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springrose12
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11:47
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@Marisa_C @lolonagi In the UK there're many different dialects.Let's accept that there's not one way of speaking English #eltchat
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cerirhiannon
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11:47
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@pacogascon depends on the context I guess - what are u thinking about Ts judging Ts? I guess It's possible #eltchat
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Fuertesun
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11:47
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Just remembered #eltchat
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divyabrochier
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11:47
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#eltchat when I introduced myself as the Language Assistant from the British Council
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harrisonmike
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11:48
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At the end of the day there r good teachers and not so good ones. The good ones find a way around their insecurities NEST or NNEST #eltchat
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NoraTouparlaki
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11:48
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@Marisa_C @lolonagi agree!! it works! i've done it so many times! #eltchat
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pacogascon
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11:48
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@cerirhiannon Ts normallt judge Ts (at least where i work) even if were all NNEsts #eltchat
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cerirhiannon
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11:48
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RT @springrose12: @Marisa_C @lolonagi In the UK there're many different dialects #eltchat > some often quite difficult for non UK NSs
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Marisa_C
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11:48
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@springrose12 Sure, that's a given #eltchat
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vbenevolofranca
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11:49
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RT @harrisonmike: At the end of the day there r good teachers and not so good ones. The good ones find a way around their insecurities NEST or NNEST #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:49
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RT @harrisonmike: At the end of the day there r good teachers and not so good ones. The good ones find a way around their insecurities NEST or NNEST #eltchat
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pacogascon
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11:49
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@cerirhiannon @springrose12 @Marisa_C @lolonagi met an American girl who got sa job in Scotland and had to quit:couldnt get a word #eltchat
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cerirhiannon
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11:49
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RT @pacogascon: Ts normallt judge Ts (at least where i work) even if were all NNEsts #eltchat > do u think maybe NNS judge more?
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divyabrochier
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11:49
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RT @harrisonmike: At the end of the day there r good teachers and not so good ones. The good ones find a way around their insecurities NEST or NNEST #eltchat
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BethCagnol
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11:49
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@divyabrochier What did David Horner say recently about NNs? You quoted him at dinner the other night. #ELTChat
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Shaunwilden
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11:49
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RT @harrisonmike: At the end of the day there r good teachers and not so good ones. The good ones find a way around their insecurities NEST or NNEST #eltchat
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tarabenwell
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11:49
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@springrose12 @Marisa_C @lolonagi I can't remember the exact number but I think Robin said only 2% in UK speak RP #ELTChat
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pacogascon
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11:50
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@cerirhiannon @springrose12 @Marisa_C @lolonagi hahahaa, maybe #eltchat
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lolonagi
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11:50
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@pacogascon wow a native quit... for not understanding the accent #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:50
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RT @springrose12: In the UK there're many different dialects.Let's accept that there's not one way of speaking English #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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11:50
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@springrose12 You need to follow @CherylKerl. Genius @nutrich @Marisa_C @lolonagi #eltchat #Geordie tweetin'
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sandymillin
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11:50
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RT @harrisonmike: At the end of the day there r good teachers and not so good ones. The good ones find a way around their insecurities NEST or NNEST #eltchat
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cerirhiannon
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11:50
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@pacogascon @springrose12 @Marisa_C @lolonagi LOL ! A Spaniard might 've understood more - more tolerance and similar vowel sounds #eltchat
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hakan_sentrk
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11:50
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RT @harrisonmike: At the end of the day there r good teachers and not so good ones. The good ones find a way ..>agree #eltchat
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shaznosel
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11:50
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@springrose12 #eltchat let's accept the norm for English nowadays is NNS to NNS speaker..it's communicatio… (cont) http://deck.ly/~XBtZH
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sandymillin
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11:50
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@cerirhiannon @springrose12 @Marisa_C @lolonagi In UK=many different dialects #eltchat > some quite difficult for non UK NSs <some 4 UK NSs!
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legyened
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11:50
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RT @harrisonmike: At the end of the day there r good teachers and not so good ones. The good ones find a way around their insecurities NEST or NNEST #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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11:50
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@tarabenwell I know! @nutrich No, not at all ! but receptive difficulties are natural for ALL not just NNESTs #ELTChat
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pacogascon
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11:50
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@cerirhiannon not necessariy NNS #eltchat
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lolonagi
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11:50
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@springrose12 what's that #eltchat
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cerirhiannon
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11:51
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RT @Marisa_C: @lolonagi I had a trainee once NO ONE could understand - only our beginners :-D Which cause great mirth! #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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11:51
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@lolonagi I had a trainee once NO ONE could understand - only our beginners :-D Which cause great mirth! #eltchat
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pacogascon
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11:51
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@lolonagi it was her case, midwestern girl in Loch Ness: completely lost she said #eltchat
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lolonagi
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11:51
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@springrose12 totally agree about enunciation #eltchat
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springrose12
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11:51
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Agreed! RT@shaznosel It's communication not pronunciation #eltchat
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BethCagnol
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11:51
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RT @ShellTerrell: RT @springrose12: In the UK there're many different dialects.Let's accept that there's not one way of speaking English #eltchat
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Fuertesun
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11:51
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RT @harrisonmike: At the end of the day there r good teachers and not so good ones. The good ones find a way around their insecurities NEST or NNEST #eltchat
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lolonagi
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11:52
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@Marisa_C hehehhehehe #eltchat nice that she has audience
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pacogascon
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11:52
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RT @springrose12: Agreed! RT@shaznosel It's communication not pronunciation #eltchat Agree but teaching demands are higher
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vale360
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11:52
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RT @hakan_sentrk: RT @harrisonmike: At the end of the day there r good teachers and not so good ones. The good ones find a way ..>agree #eltchat
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BethCagnol
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11:52
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@pacogascon When I was in Harrogate last year for IATEFL, I had to ask for English to English translations (I'm American). #ELTChat
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tarabenwell
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11:52
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Q to NNESTs here: Don't your sts love to know that you have been in their shoes and that you are now a teacher? #ELTChat
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sucastellano
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11:52
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RT @sandymillin: As lang learner had NESTs and NNESTs who were rubbish and amazing - nothing to do w/ native-ness. Teaching is a skill! #eltchat
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hakan_sentrk
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11:52
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we once had a teacher from Stoke, UK. even the Nests couldn't understand him, how about the sts? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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11:52
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@lolonagi he was a NEST that's why this is supposed to be funny ha ha #eltchat
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surreallyno
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11:52
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@DinaDobrou I don't care WHO teaches as long as it is done right. Are we just being politically correct ? #ELTchat
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cerirhiannon
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11:52
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RT @springrose12: Agreed! RT@shaznosel It's communication not pronunciation #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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11:53
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#eltchat do you think NESTS and NNESTS approach how they teach in different ways?.....
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sandymillin
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11:53
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RT @tarabenwell: Q to NNESTs here: Don't your sts love to know that you have been in their shoes and that you are now a teacher? #ELTChat
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vbenevolofranca
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11:53
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Sorry, will have to leave now, will catch up with transcripts later on. Thanks to moderators for keeping us going during chat. #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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11:53
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@bethcagnol @pacogascon doesnt surprise me, i struggle sometimes #ELTchat
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lolonagi
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11:53
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@Marisa_C no way #eltchat.....
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japglish
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11:53
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@pacogascon many learners are beginning to wise up the fact that its OTHER NNS they need to do biz with and understand, not NSs #eltchat
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surreallyno
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11:53
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This is not a war pro or against NNS (or so I think). But a discussion on the quality of teaching. #ELTchat
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cerirhiannon
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11:53
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RT @hakan_sentrk: teacher from Stoke, UK. even the Nests couldn't understand him #eltchat > NS need to learn competence in EIL too
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springrose12
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11:54
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@nutrich @Marisa_C Definitely not...I was just trying to explain my point:) I think we all have some kind of accents or dialects #eltchat
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eannegrenoble
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11:54
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@harrisonmike: @pinarmanici @divyabrochier re IPA >it's becoming redundant with all the online dicos ! #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:54
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400 million ppl native English speakers in world & 1.4 billion spk English as a 2nd language English Exhibit at Brit Lib #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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11:54
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#eltchat ....Iask beacuse I noticed that my Turkish colleagues were often more grammar-driven than CLT
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fionamau
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11:54
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RT @cerirhiannon: RT @hakan_sentrk: teacher from Stoke, UK. even the Nests couldn't understand him #eltchat > NS need to learn competence in EIL too
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tarabenwell
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11:54
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@bethcagnol @pacogascon And in Brighton (as a Canadian) I learned a bunch of new English. :) http://tinyurl.com/3lzqtkl #ELTChat
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pacogascon
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11:54
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@japglishheard True #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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11:54
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OK, last 7 minutes - What can we do? Advice please! #ELTchat I want to know how I can improve!!!
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cerirhiannon
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11:54
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RT @pacogascon: @japglishheard some native executives are being trained into international english #eltchat
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japglish
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11:54
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@japglish lots of evidence that philipino English increasingly accepted by Japanese learners for example, NS teacher model dying #eltchat
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lolonagi
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11:54
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@tarabenwell sure > agree #eltchat
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cerirhiannon
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11:54
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RT @japglish: @pacogascon ... its OTHER NNS they need to do biz with and understand.. #eltchat> been true for yrs in BE
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pacogascon
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11:54
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@japglishheard some native executives are being trained into international english #eltchat
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BethCagnol
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11:54
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@pacogascon @lolonagi It's also a matter of having her ears tuned 2 different accents. In midwest, there isn't much of a choice. #ELTChat
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BethCagnol
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11:55
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@pacogascon @japglishheard some native executives are being trained into international english #eltchat >> It's about time!!
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divyabrochier
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#eltchat I think it's healthy to use materials that show worldwide uses of Eng to debunk the myth that it belongs to any one culture/nation
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hakan_sentrk
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11:55
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@pjgallantry that cannot be generalized #eltchat
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cerirhiannon
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11:55
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RT @hakan_sentrk: difference in approach to teaching between Nnests and Nests? #eltchat > there's a diff in approach between T and T
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NoraTouparlaki
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11:55
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@Marisa_C more listening exposure #ELTchat
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japglish
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11:55
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@pacogascon I want to be the one establishing the multi million dollar Indian English to Chinese learners business #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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@Marisa_C Lots of NNESTs are worried about pronunication. They can develop this by listening to a wide range of podcasts #eltchat link 2flw
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lolonagi
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11:55
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@Marisa_C for me I listen a lot #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:55
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Gr8 question! RT @hakan_sentrk: do think there is a difference in approach to teaching between Nnests and Nests? #eltchat
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sandymillin
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11:55
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@Marisa_C Improve what?!? You seem fine already! #ELTchat Think same as 4 my SS - everyone should practise L2 as much as poss & know limits
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juandoming
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11:55
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Read Aprendiendo sobre #Elearning β–Έ http://t.co/z9BCbpw #socialmedia #education #eltchat #edtech #redessociales #tic #web20 #ed
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hakan_sentrk
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11:55
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do think there is a difference in approach to teaching between Nnests and Nests? #eltchat
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pacogascon
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11:55
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RT @ShellTerrell: "400 million ppl native English speakers in world & 1.4 billion spk English as a 2nd language" English Exhibit at Brit Lib #eltchat
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lauraesol
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11:56
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@Marisa_C If you find out let me know! #eltchat
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BethCagnol
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11:56
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@tarabenwell @pacogascon Great post! LOL. #ELTChat
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japglish
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11:56
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@cerirhiannon there IS a difference in approach between public sector trained and privately trained Ts of any flavour suspect #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:56
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With so many non native English speakers in the world we shouldn't be having discrimination against NNESTS #eltchat
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hakan_sentrk
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11:56
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@cerirhiannon #eltchat > there's a diff in approach between T and T> agree #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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11:56
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@hakan_sentrk -no probably, not - just an observation #eltchat
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lolonagi
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11:56
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RT @ShellTerrell: "400 million ppl native English speakers in world & 1.4 billion spk English as a 2nd language" English Exhibit at Brit Lib #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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11:56
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@shaznosel good luck, I found after the first year the parents began to trust me and everything was easier #ELTchat
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pacogascon
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11:56
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@japglish business demands linguistic efforts #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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11:56
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Teachers can get a wide range of accents to listen to from podcasts like the BBC ones: http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts #eltchat #pronunciation
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Marisa_C
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11:56
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So LOADS of listening - and more listening and more listening - and KARAOKE! #ELTchat for pronunciation practice
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lolonagi
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11:56
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also the most important - I tried- is to increase ur vocab #eltchat I had this felling of vocab wealth when I took GRE
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sandymillin
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11:56
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http://bbc.in/girV2W - lots of great podcasts from BBC #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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RT @Marisa_C: Loads of listening is great but main issue is the productive skills and lack of feedback #ELTchat Suggestions?
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lolonagi
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11:57
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@Marisa_C yes yes yes #eltchat :)
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harrisonmike
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11:57
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Exactly! RT @tarabenwell: @harrisonmike @Marisa_C And we can all improve by focusing on "intelligibility" rather than "accent". #ELTChat
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NoraTouparlaki
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11:57
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@ShellTerrell Agree!!#eltchat
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Fuertesun
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11:57
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RT @ShellTerrell: With so many non native English speakers in the world we shouldn't be having discrimination against NNESTS #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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11:57
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Loads of listening is great but main issue is the productive skills and lack of feedback #ELTchat Suggestions?
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divyabrochier
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11:57
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RT @tarabenwell: @harrisonmike @Marisa_C And we can all improve by focusing on "intelligibility" rather than "accent". #ELTChat
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maikelfontes
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11:57
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RT @harrisonmike: Teachers can get a wide range of accents to listen to from podcasts like the BBC ones: http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts #eltchat #pronunciation
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cerirhiannon
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11:57
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RT @Shaunwilden: RT @fionamau: @pjgallantry #ELTchat Difference in approach has more to do w training, personality and experien… (cont) http://deck.ly/~hFXdb
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BethCagnol
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11:57
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RT @divyabrochier: #eltchat I think it's healthy to use materials that show worldwide uses of Eng to debunk the myth that it belongs to any one culture/nation
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tarabenwell
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11:57
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@harrisonmike @Marisa_C And we can all improve by focusing on "intelligibility" rather than "accent". #ELTChat
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cerirhiannon
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11:57
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RT @japglish: @cerirhiannon there IS a difference in approach between public sector trained and privately trained Ts of any flavour suspect #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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11:57
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RT @fionamau: @pjgallantry #ELTchat Difference in approach has more to do w training, personality and experien… (cont) http://deck.ly/~hFXdb
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japglish
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11:57
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@pacogascon business follows the most profitable route and if the NS model no longer meets needs .... #eltchat
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divyabrochier
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11:57
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RT @Marisa_C: So LOADS of listening - and more listening and more listening - and KARAOKE! #ELTchat for pronunciation practice
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cerirhiannon
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11:57
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RT @hakan_sentrk: @pjgallantry that cannot be generalized #eltchat > totally agree - the danger with dichotomies is gross overgeneralisation
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lolonagi
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11:58
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@Marisa_C recording ur self audacity and listeing to ur recording #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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RT @pacogascon: Chinese accent is to become the most widespread english accent in the world #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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RT @japglish: @Marisa_C skype based language exchanges for free #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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RT @japglish: @Marisa_C skype based language exchanges for free #eltchat - Good one
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springrose12
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11:58
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@nutrich I can understand her too. What I meant that English was a global language and no one way of speaking it at present #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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11:58
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@Fuertesun I can always just pick a past post I like & Include it in the carnival or you can dm me the link? #Eltchat
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Fuertesun
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11:58
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RT @divyabrochier: #eltchat I think it's healthy to use materials that show worldwide uses of Eng to debunk the myth that it belongs to any one culture/nation
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japglish
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11:58
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@Marisa_C skype based language exchanges for free #eltchat
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pacogascon
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11:58
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Chinese accent is to become the most widespread english accent in the world #eltchat
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DinaDobrou
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11:58
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@tarabenwell Good Q Tara! I'd say yes. And it's a point you can make to motivate sts. #ELTchat
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cerirhiannon
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11:58
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RT @theteacherjames: RT @divyabrochier: #eltchat It's healthy to use materials that show worldwide uses of Eng to debunk the myth that it belongs to one culture
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theteacherjames
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11:58
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RT @divyabrochier: #eltchat It's healthy to use materials that show worldwide uses of Eng to debunk the myth that it belongs to one culture
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pinarmanici
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11:58
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@eannegrenoble @harrisonmike @divyabrochier > everyone should find a way when left alone with paper dicos. it's like standart gears #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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11:59
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#eltchat perhaps an issue for another time, but the variety of English taught also comes into play, doesn't it?
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hakan_sentrk
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11:59
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Δ± don't think that accent is an issue for Nests anymore, not in this multi-media based information age #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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11:59
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RT @mkofab: Think we should do what we tell r stds.Read,listen,learn,study,travel,communicate with NS in every possible way.Create PLN with NS #ELTchat
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tarabenwell
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11:59
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Dinner is served! Thanks #ELTChat. Last advice. Invite your NNEST peers. Cheers.
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sandymillin
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11:59
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@Marisa_C Use Twitter ;) #ELTchat Also depends on if you're accuracy or fluency focussed - I think communication is most imp.
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mkofab
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11:59
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Think we should do what we tell r stds.Read,listen,learn,study,travel,communicate with NS in every possible way.Create PLN with NS #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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11:59
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RT @lolonagi: @Marisa_C recording ur self audacity and listeing to ur recording #eltchat > Another good one
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Fuertesun
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@ShellTerrell thanks pick away! #Eltchat
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divyabrochier
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RT @sandymillin: @Marisa_C Use Twitter ;) #ELTchat Also depends on if you're accuracy or fluency focussed - I think communication is most imp.
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pacogascon
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@sandymillin @Marisa_C yes but some students have expectations other than communication (RP pronuctiation, gramm accuracy) #eltchat
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DinaDobrou
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@bethcagnol @pacogascon > @tarabanwell has a great post-#IATEFL blog post on same topic. Link escapes me at the mo. Tara? ;) #ELTchat
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springrose12
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Agree..RT @pacogascon Chinese accent is to become the most widespread english accent in the world #eltchat
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hakan_sentrk
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RT @cerirhiannon: intelligibility, competence, intercultural awareness -are the issues > agree #eltchat
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DinaDobrou
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RT @Marisa_C: RT @lolonagi: @Marisa_C recording ur self audacity and listeing to ur recording #eltchat > Another good one
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Marisa_C
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@eannegrenoble can you share ? #eltchat
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legyened
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Great #eltchat - much better than the football :)
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NoraTouparlaki
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RT @Marisa_C: Do you know English central? https://www.englishcentral.com/register?redirect=/home some good pron practice on one's own #ELtchat
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eannegrenoble
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RT @lolonagi: so how can we overcome this when it comes to speaking in front of natives #eltchat >Krashen has written a great article abt it
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cerirhiannon
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@hakan_sentrk accent shouldn't be an issue for NNS either - intelligibility, competence, intercultural awareness - are the issues #eltchat
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sandymillin
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@pacogascon Well they won't get either of them from me! #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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RT @Marisa_C: Do you know English central? https://www.englishcentral.com/register?redirect=/home some good pron practice on one's own #ELtchat
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BethCagnol
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#eltchat This has been an interesting chat. Especially since we at #TESOLFr are trying to attract more NNS delegates to our events.
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Marisa_C
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12:01 πμ
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Do you know English central? https://www.englishcentral.com/register?redirect=/home some good pron practice on one's own #ELtchat
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fionamau
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@hakan_sentrk #eltchat Accents remain a bit of an issue but RP is irrelevant now.Whether NEST or NNEST we need to be mutually intelligible..
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cerirhiannon
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RT @hakan_sentrk: plus teaching the ability to simply communicate #eltchat > my turn to agree ;)
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brad5patterson
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RT @pacogascon: Chinese accent is to become the most widespread english accent in the world #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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@divyabrochier See you next week :-) #ELTchat
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cerirhiannon
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RT @hakan_sentrk: plus teaching the ability to simply communicate #eltchat
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sandymillin
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@pacogascon I'm a native speaker ;) but don't know a single person who speaks RP! #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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Thanks so much for another great #ELTChat Lots of insight & very helpful suggestions :-)
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Marisa_C
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@divyabrochier cheers and thanks for joining #ELTChat
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lolonagi
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RT @Marisa_C: Do you know English central? https://www.englishcentral.com/register?redirect=/home some good pron practice on one's own #ELtchat
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hakan_sentrk
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plus teaching the ability to simply communicate #eltchat
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sandymillin
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This week's #eltpics is 'Doors and windows' Share ur pics w/ hashtag and we will add them: http://bit.ly/dSfDb5 #eltchat #efl #esl #tefl
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divyabrochier
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Thanks for a great #ELTChat, I hear the patter of little feet who were meant to be asleep so see you all next week:)
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pacogascon
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@sandymillin ummm you're confident!:) #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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Thanks to the lovely @Marisa_C & ever cool @Shaunwilden for moderating & heckling those who played hookie due to a football game #eltchat
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sandymillin
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RT @Marisa_C: Summaries? I know it's my lot to do transcript but whooooo shall I give it to? #ELTchat
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sandymillin
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@pacogascon Learner training then! Big fan of that :) #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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Summaries? I know it's my lot to do transcript but whooooo shall I give it to? #ELTchat
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japglish
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@ShellTerrell Thx to mods and all tweachers for great #Eltchat
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pacogascon
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@sandymillin I know but lots of foreign learners expect to be taught that way #eltchat
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lolonagi
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yes, RP.... I studied and teach RP #eltchat :)))) my accent is am
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hakan_sentrk
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thanks everyone for the chat, hope to see you next week... #eltchat
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fionamau
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RT @hakan_sentrk: RT @cerirhiannon: intelligibility, competence, intercultural awareness -are the issues > agree #eltchat
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cerirhiannon
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RT @ShellTerrell: Thanks to the lovely @Marisa_C & ever cool @Shaunwilden for moderating & heckling those who played hookie due to a football game #eltchat
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lauraesol
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@sedayyildirim Night! #eltchat
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fionamau
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RT @hakan_sentrk: plus teaching the ability to simply communicate #eltchat
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DinaDobrou
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Need to hit the sack. Had an unexpectedly rough week so far. Thnx to moderators and participants. #ELTchat
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fionamau
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RT @cerirhiannon: RT @pacogascon: Thank you all moderators and participants #eltchat > seconded :) >> and thirded
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cerirhiannon
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RT @pacogascon: Thank you all moderators and participants #eltchat > seconded :)
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fionamau
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RT @pacogascon: Thank you all moderators and participants #eltchat i
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BethCagnol
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RT @ShellTerrell: Thanks so much for another great #ELTChat Lots of insight & very helpful suggestions :-)
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BethCagnol
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@divyabrochier G'night sweety! See you for coffee in Paris real soon! #ELTChat
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lauraesol
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#eltchat Night everyone. Until next week!
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sandymillin
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Britain's favourite building, in your classroom http://wp.me/p1sbtu-1a What would you do with it? #eltchat #elt #efl #tesol #esl
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pacogascon
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Thank you all moderators and participants #eltchat i
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lolonagi
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thanks so much for this grea #eltchat really looking foward to pair up with a native ;D
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sandymillin
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Thanks for a great #eltchat and looking 4ward to summary written by someone else ;) #eltchat Who's up?
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NoraTouparlaki
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it was my first time, gr8 experience,won't miss it next time! #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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Thanks to all for joining in - but whose turn is it to do summary - I think the lovely @DinaDobrou ??? #ELTchat
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cerirhiannon
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RT @pacogascon: Have a nice week, folks. Great chat (and great match - Barcelona won) Double pleasure. #eltchat > 2nded again!
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mkofab
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Woo, 1st #ELTchat. Exciting.Back to work now. Some marking to finish. This NNEST feels confident enough for that ;-) Thanks to you ....:-)
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springrose12
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RT@fionamau RT @cerirhiannon: RT @pacogascon: Thank you all moderators and participants #eltchat > seconded :) >> and thirded>>3+
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harrisonmike
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RT @Marisa_C: RT @lolonagi: @Marisa_C recording ur self audacity and listeing to ur recording #eltchat > Another good one
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Marisa_C
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@lolonagi start putting out calls on twitter #eltchat
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pacogascon
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Have a nice week, folks. Great chat (and great match - Barcelona won) Double pleasure. #eltchat
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hakan_sentrk
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RT @harrisonmike: Thanks for great #eltchat and super thanks to moderators @Marisa_C and @Shaunwilden - STARS
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harrisonmike
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Thanks for great #eltchat and super thanks to moderators @Marisa_C and @Shaunwilden - STARS
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shaznosel
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#eltchat So Barcelona won.#.ELTCHAT scored a few goals! Good night all!
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eannegrenoble
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RT @Marisa_C: So LOADS of listening - and more listening and more listening - and KARAOKE! #ELTchat for pronunciation practice
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Shaunwilden
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@mkofab Glad you joined in, we are here same time each week - check out the blog http://eltchat.com/ and wiki http://bit.ly/hQGETF #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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@NoraTouparlaki great Nora - see you next week then #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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@harrisonmike Awww and I thought 'what a gent!" -why u sayin sech things... #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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I'll do summary #eltchat @Marisa_C twisted my arm
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eannegrenoble
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RT @Marisa_C: @eannegrenoble can you share ? #eltchat It's not published -but I have permission to put it on my blog ! oops:link on writeup
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CeciELT
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RT @bethcagnol #eltchat ... Especially since we at #TESOLFr are trying to attract more NNS delegates to our events. > I'm attracted! ;-)
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