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esolcourses
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1:32 PM
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RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat and @AnthonyGaughan on the #dogme symposium here http://trunc.it/gbutl
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esolcourses
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1:34 PM
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What is Dogme? Some key points explained by Scott Thornbury (@thornburyscott) http://bit.ly/coCN1t #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1:35 PM
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Jonathan's lesson - @solid98 - in my blog post here on experimenting with dogme http://bit.ly/fzZK5y #ELTchat #IATEFL
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theteacherjames
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1:35 PM
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Wouldn't it be great if @thornburyscott or @LukeMeddings could join us for our dogme themed #eltchat?
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Marisa_C
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1:36 PM
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Martin Sketchley's @ELTexperiences dogme lesson on his blog here http://bit.ly/dS6y6Z #ELTchat #IATEFL
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harrisonmike
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1:36 PM
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Doing a #dogme lesson for #delta. One of @Marisa_C's trainees approach and reflection http://trunc.it/fke4i #eltchat
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esolcourses
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1:37 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Martin Sketchley's @ELTexperiences dogme lesson on his blog here http://bit.ly/dS6y6Z #ELTchat #IATEFL
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barbsaka
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1:43 PM
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Here's a prezi summary from a dogme workshop I did recently. Teachers had gr8 ideas to get around obstacles to dogme in Japan #eltchat
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barbsaka
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1:44 PM
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Sorry I won't be able to join #eltchat tonight--afraid it's an early night for me :-( Have a great time! I'll look forward to the summary!
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theteacherjames
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1:47 PM
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RT @esolcourses: What is Dogme? Some key points explained by Scott Thornbury (@thornburyscott) http://bit.ly/coCN1t #eltchat
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eslbrazil
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1:48 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: In about 45 mins please get ready to discuss Dogme on #ELTchat
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theteacherjames
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1:50 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Diarmuid Fogarty's blog post "Questions which Dog me" here http://bit.ly/gOJ2Z6 #ELTchat #IATEFL
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theteacherjames
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1:52 PM
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@englishraven Flipcammed: An unplugged lesson with beginner level students: http://me.lt/870Mw #eltchat - Great practical example of dogme.
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englishraven
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1:56 PM
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From earlier... World News for Kids (Albatross level): Uproar over new 'Dog Wars' app > http://bit.ly/9SssH #eltchat
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cybraryman1
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1:57 PM
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WedChats Part I: #ClavEd #ELTchat (2) #ntchat #ptchat #ecosys #PHDchat #edmusichat #SGAchat: http://bit.ly/9bCqR
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willycard
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1:59 PM
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#eltchat I'll be watching you
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Shaunwilden
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2:00 PM
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RT @willycard: #eltchat I'll be watching you - is that online stalking ? ;-)
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Moacir2
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2:00 PM
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#eltchat title of my presentation in Brazil:"dogme never fear, technology is here".
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web20education
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2:03 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat Join us to discu dogme esp if u were at the #iatefl symposium
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theteacherjames
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2:03 PM
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RT @sandymillin: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat (Dogme)
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cioccas
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2:03 PM
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For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat on Dogme
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Shaunwilden
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2:03 PM
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Gosh it's 12 already, time for #eltchat then
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Marisa_C
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2:03 PM
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For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat Join us to discu dogme esp if u were at the #iatefl symposium
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esolcourses
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2:03 PM
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RT @sandymillin: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat (Dogme)
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sandymillin
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2:03 PM
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For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat (Dogme)
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Marisa_C
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2:04 PM
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Welcome everyone! If you are new to #ELTchat and need help, call on @Shaunwilden @englishraven @Marisa_C your moderators today
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englishraven
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2:04 PM
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Hi everyone on #ELTChat. let the conversation emerge!
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Shaunwilden
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2:04 PM
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so enlighten me what's new in the world of dogme? #eltchat
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JoshSRound
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2:04 PM
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For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat on Dogme (will try to stay the distance) :)
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:04 PM
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RT @sandymillin: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat (Dogme)
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danhummsoriano
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2:05 PM
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For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat on Dogme
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englishraven
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2:05 PM
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RT @yearinthelifeof: Dogme is impossible without a significant amount of experience. Do you agree? #eltchat
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JoshSRound
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2:05 PM
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#eltchat I really enjoyed the symposium at iatefl but missed most of the Q&As (went to watch @Marisa_C 's talk)...
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pjgallantry
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2:05 PM
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isn't dogme really just 'strong' CLT, with added focus on 'emerging' systems? #eltchat
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yearinthelifeof
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2:05 PM
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Dogme is impossible without a significant amount of experience. Do you agree? #eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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2:05 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Welcome everyone! If you are new to #ELTchat and need help, call on @Shaunwilden @englishraven @Marisa_C your moderators today
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Marisa_C
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2:05 PM
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RT @englishraven: Hi everyone on #ELTChat. let the conversation emerge! > He he - good opening gambit raven!!!
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esolcourses
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2:05 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Welcome everyone! If you are new to #ELTchat and need help, call on @Shaunwilden @englishraven @Marisa_C your moderators today
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Shaunwilden
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2:06 PM
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RT @JoshSRound: RT @yearinthelifeof: Dogme is impossible without a significant amount of experience. #eltchat Not impossible, but a challenge I'd say
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JoshSRound
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2:06 PM
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RT @yearinthelifeof: Dogme is impossible without a significant amount of experience. #eltchat Not impossible, but a challenge I'd say
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englishraven
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2:06 PM
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@yearinthelifeof I disagree. Just because many of us got to Dogme after a lot of experience, doesn't mean that is THE route. #ELTChat
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Marisa_C
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2:06 PM
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@yearinthelifeof .... no evidence that teaching to plan is better if inexperienced #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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2:06 PM
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I think you have to be a v experienced teacher to handle Dogme well. If you don't know your systems, how can you do it? #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:06 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Welcome everyone! If you are new to #ELTchat and need help, call on @Shaunwilden @englishraven @Marisa_C your moderators today
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esolcourses
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2:06 PM
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RT @yearinthelifeof: Dogme is impossible without a significant amount of experience. Do you agree? #eltchat ] not sure I do, tbh
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Shaunwilden
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2:06 PM
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@JoshSRound So josh what went on in symposium I was presenting so couldn't attend #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:06 PM
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RT @yearinthelifeof: Dogme is impossible without a significant amount of experience. Do you agree? #eltchat > It would seem so but....
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Marisa_C
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2:07 PM
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RT @pjgallantry: isn't dogme really just 'strong' CLT, with added focus on 'emerging' systems? #eltchat ! If so, how do you start ?
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LukeMeddings
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2:07 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: @yearinthelifeof .... no evidence that teaching to plan is better if inexperienced #eltchat
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web20education
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2:07 PM
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RT @sandymillin: RT @JoshSRound: RT @yearinthelifeof: Dogme is impossible without experience. #eltchat Not impossible, but a challenge <2nded, + confidence
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theteacherjames
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2:07 PM
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RT @englishraven: @yearinthelifeof Just because many of us got to Dogme after a lot of experience, doesn't mean that is THE route. #ELTChat
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Marisa_C
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2:07 PM
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@JoshSRound Ooops.... sorry - we on the same boat then... #eltchat
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BobK99
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2:07 PM
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RT @pjgallantry: isn't dogme really just 'strong' CLT, with added focus on 'emerging' systems? #eltchat ! If so, then how do you start ?
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sandymillin
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2:07 PM
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RT @JoshSRound: RT @yearinthelifeof: Dogme is impossible without experience. #eltchat Not impossible, but a challenge <2nded, + confidence
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web20education
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2:07 PM
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#Eyejot - the easiest way to send video emails #edtech20 #edtools | @scoopit http://t.co/HxuZWwy #edchat #eltchat #elemchat #lrnchat #elt
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yearinthelifeof
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2:08 PM
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RT @LukeMeddings: @yearinthelifeof Easy to underestimate (forget) how hard it is (was) to teach for the first few months using orthodox methods! #eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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2:08 PM
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RT @englishraven: Dogme is a way of thinking and approaching our classroom, not an accretion of teaching experience :-) #ELTChat
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englishraven
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2:08 PM
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RT @sandymillin: A set of Dogme lesson plans / ideas we created on the IH Online workshop in Jan http://slidesha.re/eBDzvm #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:08 PM
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RT @sandymillin: A set of Dogme lesson plans / ideas we created on the IH Online workshop in Jan http://slidesha.re/eBDzvm #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:08 PM
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@pjgallantry:#eltchat fully agree with parallels to strong view of ELT and dogme
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sandymillin
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2:08 PM
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A set of Dogme lesson plans / ideas we created on the IH Online workshop in Jan http://slidesha.re/eBDzvm #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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2:08 PM
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#eltchat compare Dogme with this - P4C: http://www.philosophyineducation.com/6.html
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JoshSRound
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2:08 PM
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@Shaunwilden 4 good talks with different perspectives on dogme then quick buzz chats by the attendees #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:08 PM
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Dogme is a way of thinking and approaching our classroom, not an accretion of teaching experience :-) #ELTChat
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LukeMeddings
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2:08 PM
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@yearinthelifeof Easy to underestimate (forget) how hard it is (was) to teach for the first few months using orthodox methods! #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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2:08 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: @yearinthelifeof .... no evidence that teaching to plan is better if inexperienced #eltchat - Great point!
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yearinthelifeof
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2:09 PM
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@LukeMeddings Not suggesting PPP was easy for me, but how would you go about dogmetising those first few weeks/months/years? #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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2:09 PM
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@pjgallantry A multitute of teaching sins can lurk under ANY method #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:09 PM
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RT @theteacherjames: @JoshSRound Isn't any type of teaching a challenge at the beginning? #eltchat <yes, so you should experiment
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Shaunwilden
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2:09 PM
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RT @theteacherjames: @JoshSRound Isn't any type of teaching a challenge at the beginning? #eltchat Good point :-)
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LukeMeddings
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2:09 PM
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RT @sandymillin: A set of Dogme lesson plans / ideas we created on the IH Online workshop in Jan http://slidesha.re/eBDzvm #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:09 PM
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@yearinthelifeof I'd say it hard due to allow the criteria trainees have to meet but they should certainly be told about it #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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2:09 PM
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@JoshSRound Isn't any type of teaching a challenge at the beginning? #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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2:09 PM
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I suspect a multitude of tecahing sins can be hidden under the phrase 'well it's a Dogme lesson, isn't it...' :) #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:09 PM
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@LukeMeddings Welcome to the source! Dear Luke am delighted you have joined our conversation :-) #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:10 PM
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RT @esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: @pjgallantry A multitute of teaching sins can lurk under ANY method #eltchat ] agree
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Marisa_C
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2:10 PM
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@yearinthelifeof On a CELTA course you need to teach the whole gamut - not just PPP - I would allow trainees to try out #ELTchat Yes
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sedayyildirim
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2:10 PM
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following #eltchat now
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englishraven
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2:10 PM
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RT @LukeMeddings: I think essential trainees introduced to listening, asking, noting as a framework for teaching as well as (urg) PPP #eltchat
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JoshSRound
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2:10 PM
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RT @theteacherjames: @JoshSRound Isn't any type of teaching a challenge at the beginning? #eltchat absolutely!
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esolcourses
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2:10 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: @pjgallantry A multitute of teaching sins can lurk under ANY method #eltchat ] agree
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yearinthelifeof
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2:10 PM
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RT @JoshSRound: @yearinthelifeof think CELTA courses need to provide support for when new teachers are thrown in the deep end at a new job #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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2:10 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: @LukeMeddings Welcome to the source! Dear Luke am delighted you have joined our conversation :-) #eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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2:10 PM
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I think essential trainees introduced to listening, asking, noting as a framework for teaching as well as (urg) PPP #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:10 PM
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Woohoo, wonderful to see @LukeMeddings 'emerge' into our very 'materials-lite' 'conversation-driven' #ELTChat about Dogme!
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web20education
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2:10 PM
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Facebook page 4 #edtech20 curation and semantic project with 385 fans just go #socialplus http://t.co/VQchyRa #elearning #edreform #eltchat
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yearinthelifeof
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2:10 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: @yearinthelifeof I'd say it hard due to allow the criteria trainees have to meet but they should certainly be told about it #eltchat
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JoshSRound
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2:10 PM
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@yearinthelifeof think CELTA courses need to provide support for when new teachers are thrown in the deep end at a new job #eltchat
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cioccas
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2:10 PM
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RT @theteacherjames: @JoshSRound Isn't any type of teaching a challenge at the beginning? #eltchat < Oh, yes!
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hakan_sentrk
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2:11 PM
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#eltchat joined chat, too. God, this is fast!!
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esolcourses
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2:11 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: RT @theteacherjames: @JoshSRound Isn't any type of teaching a challenge at the beginning? #eltchat Good point :-)
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BobK99
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2:11 PM
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RT @JoshSRound: @yearinthelifeof think CELTA courses need to provide support ... #eltchat !Mine did, but not enough
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yearinthelifeof
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2:11 PM
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@lukemeddings @shaunwilden @esolcourses @Marisa_C @JoshSRound BTW I strongly believe in dogme...just asking for others opinions ;-) #ELTchat
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englishraven
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2:11 PM
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RT @esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: @pjgallantry A multitute of teaching sins can lurk under ANY method #eltchat ] agree > me too!
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Marisa_C
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2:11 PM
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@ddeubel Can I have a copy later, David? Please #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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2:11 PM
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RT @Marisa_C A multitute of teaching sins can lurk under ANY method #eltchat <lol
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JoshSRound
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2:11 PM
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RT @LukeMeddings: I think essential trainees introduced 2 listening, asking, noting as a framework 4 teaching as well as (urg) PPP #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:11 PM
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@sedayyildirim welcome :-) feel free to join in #eltchat
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ddeubel
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2:11 PM
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#eltchat Just for transparency, I'm video taping this chat!
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:12 PM
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what are the advantages of using dogme? #eltchat
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yearinthelifeof
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2:12 PM
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@pjgallantry glad to see you on #ELTchat
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esolcourses
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2:12 PM
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RT @BobK99: RT @JoshSRound: @yearinthelifeof think CELTA courses need to provide support ... #eltchat agree, tho' often doesn't happen IME
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sandymillin
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2:12 PM
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#eltchat Didn't know anything re: Dogme til I joined Twitter, then did IH Online workshop, and like experimenting. Few full lessons though
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englishraven
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2:12 PM
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@yearinthelifeof It was a good bone to throw out there. We all grasp the spirit of it, I think! :-) #ELTChat
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yearinthelifeof
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2:12 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: @yearinthelifeof On a CELTA course you need to teach the whole gamut - not just PPP - I would allow trainees to try out #ELTchat Yes
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LukeMeddings
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2:13 PM
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I think trainees can get terribly constrained by PPP-only training - yes some fly with it, others not so much #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:13 PM
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@BobK99 you can't have been my trainee then :-D #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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2:13 PM
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what about cultural issues the teacher needs to be aware of when developing local materials for Dogme? easy to make assumptions #eltchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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2:13 PM
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RT @web20education: Facebook page 4 #edtech20 curation and semantic project with 385 fans just go #socialplus http://t.co/VQchyRa #elearning #edreform #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:13 PM
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@yearinthelifeof I dont disagree with dogme but i think too much is made of it and that confuses teachers and clouds what it is #eltchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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2:14 PM
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happily joining #eltchat
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ddeubel
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2:14 PM
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@Marisa_C Just taping a few segments as an experiment. will send and post! Might be a new way to promote. #eltchat
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gknightbkk
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2:14 PM
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Some language schools throw new teachers in at the deep end - no prep, no materials. Those that make it, become great ELT pros #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:14 PM
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RT @JoshSRound: #eltchat many institutions only use course books, so new Ts will always have to fit into the 'way things are done' - can't challenge set-up
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Marisa_C
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2:14 PM
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@LukeMeddings PPP can be just as hard to master as TBL or SW or CLL or ANY approach #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:14 PM
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@hakan_sentrk Welcome Hakan, it can be very fast but we publish a summary later so if you miss anything u can go back & catch it #eltchat
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JoshSRound
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2:14 PM
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#eltchat many institutions only use course books, so new Ts will always have to fit into the 'way things are done' - can't challenge set-up
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englishraven
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2:14 PM
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Recently found myself thinking that Dogme is about as close an operational representation of 'CLT' as we've ever had... #ELTChat
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sandymillin
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2:15 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: @LukeMeddings PPP can be just as difficult as TBL, SW, CLL, ANY approach #eltchat <agreed, new teachers confused by letters 2
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Marisa_C
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2:15 PM
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@yitzha_sarwono welcome! #eltchat
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danhummsoriano
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2:15 PM
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@englishraven #ELTChat the difference between CLT and Dogme is that Dogme isn't just "translation". It also respects original phrasings
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Shaunwilden
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2:15 PM
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RT @pjgallantry: Dogme, when properly done, is simply good teaching practice, surely? Completely agree :-) #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:15 PM
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@Clam762 Was about to ask how i could help - just make sure you add #eltchat to your posts then it will appear in the chat
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Marisa_C
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2:15 PM
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@Clam762 Hello - just add #ELTchat to anything you say and we will all be able to see your comments
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Marisa_C
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2:16 PM
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@theteacherjames So do other approaches - TBL pare example - so why is this not as valid? #eltchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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2:16 PM
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RT @cybraryman1: My Dogme page (with links from: Marisa C, English Raven…) : http://tinyurl.com/4aa72lm #eltchat
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ddeubel
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2:16 PM
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#eltchat - how does Dogme de-emphasize the teacher?
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pjgallantry
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2:16 PM
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Dogme, when badly done, of course, is just winging it! ;) #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:16 PM
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RT @theteacherjames: #eltchat Think people need to abandon the idea that dogme is an all or nothing method. To me, it's an approach that puts sts at the centre.
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Clam762
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2:16 PM
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So, IΒ΄m sorry to ask: What are talking about today? #eltchat
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cybraryman1
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2:16 PM
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My Dogme page (with links from: Marisa C, English Raven…) : http://tinyurl.com/4aa72lm #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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2:16 PM
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#eltchat Think people need to abandon the idea that dogme is an all or nothing method. To me, it's an approach that puts sts at the centre.
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Marisa_C
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2:16 PM
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@danhummsoriano pleas elaborate - am not able to understand your comment #ELTChat
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hakan_sentrk
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2:16 PM
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@shaunwilden I want to join the chat, but gotta get used to the pace (difficult!!) #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:16 PM
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@LukeMeddings PPP and all sorts of other little tripods are not incompatible with Dogme, I've found. It flexes a long way. #ELTChat
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Marisa_C
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2:17 PM
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@LukeMeddings Possibly the WEAK view of CLT - i.e. PPP - but strong CLT was never uncommunicative #eltchat
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PennyHands
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2:17 PM
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@Marisa_C @LukeMeddings #eltchat Yes, but there are coursebooks to help teachers with these.
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:17 PM
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RT @theteacherjames: #eltchat To me, it's an approach that puts sts at the centre.
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esolcourses
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2:17 PM
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@JoshSRound: #eltchat OTOH, maybe we should be challenging the 'way things are done' in cases where there are better ways to do things?
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englishraven
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2:17 PM
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RT @LukeMeddings: I think Scott's original idea was very much a critique of how CLT had - become uncommunicative #eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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2:17 PM
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I think Scott's original idea was very much a critique of how CLT had - become uncommunicative #eltchat
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JoshSRound
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2:17 PM
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RT @theteacherjames: #eltchat Think people need 2 abandon the idea that dogme is an all or nothing method. > think this has got 2 be the way
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englishraven
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2:17 PM
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@danhummsoriano But 'CLT' was so nebulous for so long... If we think 'communicative' I think Dogme is about as good as it gets. #ELTChat
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BobK99
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2:18 PM
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RT @cybraryman1: My Dogme page (with links from: Marisa C, English Raven…) : http://tinyurl.com/4aa72lm #eltchat !Thx - will read later :-D
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worldteacher
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2:18 PM
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@theteacherjames #eltchat Totally agree - dogme makes learning student driven - relevant to their needs.
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LukeMeddings
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2:18 PM
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Afraid I don't agree dogme is simply good teaching practice - it can incorporate many good practiceS but it has structure & theory #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:18 PM
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@OUPELTGlobal To me, it's an approach that depends on the learners. And that can create problems in some contexts. #ELTChat
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Shaunwilden
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2:18 PM
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@eslbrazil Hi, welcome to #eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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2:18 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: @LukeMeddings Possibly the WEAK view of CLT - i.e. PPP - but strong CLT was never uncommunicative #eltchat
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yearinthelifeof
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2:18 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: RT @pjgallantry: Dogme, when properly done, is simply good teaching practice, surely? Completely agree :-) #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:18 PM
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@eslbrazil Hi and welcome #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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2:18 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat I think they can complement each other if done correctly. Depends on the situation.
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danhummsoriano
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2:18 PM
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Community Language Learning is taking student phrasing and translating it. Dogme involves that but it respects own use of language #ELTChat
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:18 PM
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RT @englishraven: RT @LukeMeddings: I think Scott's original idea was very much a critique of how CLT had - become uncommunicative #eltchat
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dwaalen
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2:18 PM
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@ktwaalen RT @esolcourses: What is Dogme? Some key points explained by Scott Thornbury (@thornburyscott) http://bit.ly/coCN1t #eltchat
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eslbrazil
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2:18 PM
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Hello everybody #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:18 PM
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RT @theteacherjames: #eltchat Think people need 2 abandon idea dogme is an all or nothing method. > think this has got 2 be the way-agreed
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englishraven
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2:19 PM
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@danhummsoriano You confused my acronym. The 'CLT' I meant was 'Communicative Language Teaching' :-) #ELTChat
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LukeMeddings
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2:19 PM
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Dogme isn't a method - it's a framework approach - and thus can't be all or nothing - it must be situated, adapted #eltchat
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danhummsoriano
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2:19 PM
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The Communicative technique is only good if communication is real and based on real life not a hot air balloon and who survives #ELTChat
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hakan_sentrk
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2:19 PM
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RT @englishraven: @OUPELTGlobal To me, it's an approach that depends on the learners. And that can create problems in some contexts.#ELTChat
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Shaunwilden
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2:19 PM
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@englishraven the problematic contexts being school restrictions? #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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2:19 PM
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#eltchat @LukeMeddings 'weak' CLT is often uncommunicative, but then that's arguably the fault of materials and curriculums
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JoshSRound
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2:19 PM
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@esolcourses agree, just not sure many new Ts wd have the confidence to do so... #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:20 PM
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@Shaunwilden To me, the biggest threat to something like Dogme is that a massive % of Eng Ls don't want to be there... #ELTChat
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Shaunwilden
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2:20 PM
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@danhummsoriano But that's a serious drawback of CLT isn't it ? Contexts are often so contrived and not meeting sts needs? #eltchat
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worldteacher
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2:20 PM
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@theteacherjames #eltchat I think they can complement each other if done correctly. Depends on the situation. <Completely agree.
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Marisa_C
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2:20 PM
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@LukeMeddings It would be great if you could come up with a list of 'typical tasks' associated with dogme #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:20 PM
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@Shaunwilden Schools, educational cultures, amongst other things. #ELTChat
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Marisa_C
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2:20 PM
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@LukeMeddings The problem as I see it Luke is that it has no very clear methodology - or so many Ts think - #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:21 PM
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@Shaunwilden Ok i hear u now - got it wrong #eltchat
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hakan_sentrk
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2:21 PM
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no method should become an ultimate method, all of them should be only "frameworks" to customized methods #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:21 PM
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@JoshSRound I meant it might be worth challenging the status quo collectively, rather than individually i.e. group solidarity :-) #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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2:21 PM
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RT @LukeMeddings: Dogme isn't a method - it's a framework approach - and thus can't be all or nothing - it must be situated, adapted #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:21 PM
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RT @eslbrazil: DOGME is a kind of student-centred approach, but the schools prefer to get money from the students than teaching what they need #ELTCHAT
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eslbrazil
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2:21 PM
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DOGME is a kind of student-centred approach, but the schools prefer to get money from the students than teaching what they need #ELTCHAT
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Marisa_C
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2:21 PM
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@Shaunwilden It's not the fault of contexts - it's the fault of materials designers #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:22 PM
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@englishraven why - would u explain? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:22 PM
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@Clam762 we are talking about Dogme #eltchat
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Clam762
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2:22 PM
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What are we talking about please? #eltchat
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:22 PM
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RT @englishraven: @Shaunwilden Wouldn't dogme approach encourage/involve them more and change that? #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:22 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden It's not the fault of contexts - it's the fault of materials designers #eltchat > Not sure I agree with that! :-)
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danhummsoriano
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2:23 PM
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#ELTChat my problem with materials is that teachers seem to rely on them rather than springboard off them. hence the birth of Dogme
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LukeMeddings
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2:23 PM
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@Marisa_C Hi Marisa,the methodology is evolving but it demands a rethink of the roles of teacher, syllabus, learner, interaction #eltchat
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mmgrinberg
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2:23 PM
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Hi #eltchat! Sorry I'm late!
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web20education
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2:23 PM
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RT @englishraven: RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden It's not the fault of contexts - it's the fault of materials designers #eltchat > Not sure I agree with that! :-)
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eslbrazil
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2:23 PM
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@hakan_sentrk no method should be an ELT Bible, they need to be ELT manuals #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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2:23 PM
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@harrisonmike HI Mike and welcome #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:23 PM
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@OUPELTGlobal I think it could, but Dogme could be held at arm's reach and not given enough of a chance. #ELTChat
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Shaunwilden
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2:23 PM
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@OUPELTGlobal change what? #eltchat
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:23 PM
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RT @Clam762: What are we talking about please? #eltchat Good question ... why use dogme advantages?
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yearinthelifeof
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2:23 PM
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RT @englishraven: @Shaunwilden To me, the biggest threat to something like Dogme is that a massive % of Eng Ls don't want to be there... #ELTChat
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ddeubel
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2:23 PM
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#eltchat - what about having a student as a dogme teacher? is that still dogme teaching?
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harrisonmike
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2:23 PM
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Hello #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:23 PM
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@Clam762 Dogme - a teaching method / approach / style / framework (hope I haven't missed anything!) #eltchat
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mattledding
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2:24 PM
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@englishraven the problem with english classes in general is % of ss who don't want 2 be there... #eltchat
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danhummsoriano
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2:24 PM
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#ELTChat I think that coming off the page by using learning technologies actually is more inclusive for students and promotes more Dogme
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harrisonmike
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2:24 PM
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RT @danhummsoriano: #ELTChat my problem with materials is that teachers seem to rely on them rather than springboard off them. hence the birth of Dogme
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:24 PM
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RT @LukeMeddings:,the methodology is evolving but it demands a rethink of the roles of teacher, syllabus, learner, interaction #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:24 PM
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RT @hakan_sentrk: How do institutions view teachers using dogme? #eltchat < good question!
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gknightbkk
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2:24 PM
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CLT must focus on ALL lang. competencies, not just grammatical. Unplugged produces a greater opportunity to explore #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:24 PM
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RT @harrisonmike: @sandymillin @Clam762 It was called an approach to approaches by @mbenevides #dogme #eltchat > And that was well-put. :-)
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esolcourses
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2:24 PM
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RT @LukeMeddings: @Marisa_C Hi Marisa,the methodology is evolving but it demands a rethink of the roles of teacher, syllabus, learner, interaction #eltchat
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willycard
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2:24 PM
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@Marisa_C: @LukeMeddings isn't "no very clear methodology" what makes it good? #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:24 PM
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RT @danhummsoriano: #ELTChat my problem with materials is that teachers seem to rely on them rather than springboard off them. hence the birth of Dogme
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pjgallantry
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2:24 PM
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RT @ddeubel #eltchat - what about having a student as a dogme teacher? is that still dogme teaching? > if they do part of lesson, why not?
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hakan_sentrk
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2:24 PM
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How do institutions view teachers using dogme? #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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2:24 PM
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@sandymillin @Clam762 It was called an approach to approaches by @mbenevides #dogme #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:24 PM
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@Marisa_C Don't want to risk a digression, but contexts often get precisely the materials the majority ask for more of. #ELTChat
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JoshSRound
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2:24 PM
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@esolcourses oh yes, I'm all 4 changing the status quo!! We use/depend too much on CBs where I work, keem 2 focus more on needs... #eltchat
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eslbrazil
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2:25 PM
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RT @sandymillin: RT @hakan_sentrk: How do institutions view teachers using dogme? #eltchat < good question!
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yitzha_sarwono
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2:25 PM
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@Marisa_C I think Dogme as in language and grammar learning emerge from the learning process, distinct from the β€acquisition’ #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:25 PM
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@willycard Having no clear methodology means that as a teacher trainer it is hard to introduce new Ts to the vague beyong of dogme #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:25 PM
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@LukeMeddings @Marisa_C had lots of conversations at #IATEFL about rethinking roles... some teachers aren't comfortable with change #ELTChat
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japglish
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2:25 PM
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@LukeMeddings the part of dogme I find attractive is its critical pedagogy, shining light on role of CBs and publishers #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:25 PM
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RT @willycard: @Marisa_C: @LukeMeddings isn't "no very clear methodology" what makes it good? #eltchat <yes, but can be scary 4 some Ts
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theteacherjames
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2:25 PM
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@hakan_sentrk #eltchat Depends on how you present it - could save them a fortune on text books & handouts!
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englishraven
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2:25 PM
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RT @gknightbkk: CLT must focus on ALL lang. competencies, not just grammatical. Unplugged produces opportunity to explore #eltchat >agree!
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sandymillin
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2:25 PM
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@hakan_sentrk At my school we have a lot of coursebook syllabi, but we are encouraged to adapt it (but that's not Dogme!) #eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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2:25 PM
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I can't supply a list of activities on the fly (and will resist link to a certain book) but a good question Marisa #eltchat
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Lindsay_Warwick
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2:26 PM
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@LukeMeddings For me it's not so much activities but techniques. I understand what dogme is, but less about techniques used. #eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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2:26 PM
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I've seen sts who didn't want to be there (or were there without much spark) come alive thru being participants in learning at last #eltchat
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JoshSRound
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2:26 PM
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RT @sandymillin: @hakan_sentrk At my school we hav a lot of CB syllabi, but we are urged to adapt it (not Dogme tho!) #eltchat same here!
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:26 PM
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@harrisonmike completely agree! So how can we help teachers use dogme? #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:26 PM
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RT @esolcourses: @LukeMeddings @Marisa_C had lots of conversations at #IATEFL about rethinking roles... some teachers aren't comfortable with change #ELTChat
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chucksandy
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2:27 PM
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RT @ario_f: dogme seems ideally suited to esp, given that learners bring so many issues to class. #eltchat
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hakan_sentrk
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2:27 PM
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@sandymillin I agree that it is not dogme. If I'd refuse to use the textbook in our syllabus I would be in serious trouble!! #eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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2:27 PM
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RT @harrisonmike: #dogme's a perfect fit4esol. St profile so varied (phd qualified 2 pre-literate sts in same class). Predetermined courses dont work #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:27 PM
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@OUPELTGlobal It COULD be dogme or equally well it would be just a discussion class led by u or the Ss #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:27 PM
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@OUPELTGlobal @Marisa_C Sort of - the idea of dealing with language coming from the sts #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:27 PM
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@esolcourses Not just Ts who are uncomfortable w/ change. Many SS don't. Lesson needs structure or they wonder what point is #eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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2:27 PM
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@Marisa_C I'd be interested in what a clear methodology would represent - I'd be happy to map the framework onto one #eltchat
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chucksandy
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2:27 PM
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@gknightbkk: CLT must focus on ALL lang. competencies, not just grammatical. Unplugged produces opportunity to explore >agree too! #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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2:27 PM
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@danhummsoriano RT @OUPELTGlobal: @harrisonmike completely agree! So how can we help teachers use dogme? #eltchat
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gknightbkk
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2:27 PM
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Shouldn't teachers uncomfortable with change find something else to do? #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:27 PM
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RT @LukeMeddings: I've seen sts who didn't want to be there (or were there without much spark) come alive thru being participants in learning at last #eltchat
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ario_f
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2:27 PM
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#eltchat my tiny contribution, as i got to dash: dogme seems ideally suited to esp, given that learners bring so many issues to class.
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Marisa_C
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2:27 PM
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RT @LukeMeddings: Can't supply a list of activities on the fly (& will resist link to a certain book) but good question Marisa #eltchat :-)
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eslbrazil
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2:27 PM
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RT @esolcourses: @LukeMeddings @Marisa_C had lots of conversations at #IATEFL about rethinking roles... some teachers aren't comfortable with change #ELTChat
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:27 PM
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@Marisa_C Is it really so vague. I love the idea of lessons with me, my students and whatever is at hand. is that dogme? #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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2:27 PM
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#dogme's a perfect fit4esol. St profile so varied (phd qualified 2 pre-literate sts in same class). Predetermined courses dont work #eltchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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2:28 PM
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@OUPELTGlobal @harrisonmike I think empowering them with the knowledge of material light approach to stds can help Ts to use dogme #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:28 PM
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RT @LukeMeddings: I've seen sts who didn't want to be there come alive thru being participants in learning #eltchat <bt need confident T
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harrisonmike
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2:28 PM
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@OUPELTGlobal Ts need to be given the space and freedom to find the way that works. #eltchat
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yearinthelifeof
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2:28 PM
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@LukeMeddings ...distance the teaching framework from the unworkable film making approach? #ELTchat
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chucksandy
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2:28 PM
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RT @gknightbkk: Shouldnt teachers uncomfortable w/ change find something else to do? > Isn't change what teaching is all about? #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:28 PM
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@Harmerj Yes, in some ways that's why I prefer 'unplugged' to 'Dogme'! #ELTChat
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worldteacher
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2:28 PM
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@hakan_sentrk My DOS considers dogme teaching to be 'cheating' the students - must give cbs & handouts galore - value for money! #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:28 PM
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RT @hakan_sentrk: @sandymillin If I'd refuse to use textbook in syllabus I would be in serious trouble!! #eltchat <hard whn sharing classes
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yearinthelifeof
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2:28 PM
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@LukeMeddings Is the 'dogme' label constricting? After all the film genre ultimately failed. Was 'unplugged' an attempt to... #ELTchat
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Clam762
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2:28 PM
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Let me see if I understood: WeΒ΄re talking about DOGME! IsnΒ΄t it teaching without using books?#eltchat
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harrisonmike
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2:28 PM
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@OUPELTGlobal Get rid of the fear of doing wrong. Why does every lesson need to have itself mapped out entirely #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:28 PM
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RT @Harmerj: Dogme is 'conversation driven, materials light, deals with emergent langauge' (T unplugged p21) That's prescriptive methodology!! #eltchat
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willycard
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2:28 PM
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@Marisa_C I see your point, it's a big issue in fact. @AnthonyGaughan is a good person to talk to about teacher training with Dogme #ELTchat
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Harmerj
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2:28 PM
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Dogme is 'conversation driven, materials light, deals with emergent langauge' (T unplugged p21) That's prescriptive methodology!! #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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2:28 PM
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#eltchat @LukeMeddings surely that's beacause differnet technique engages a different learning style?
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chucksandy
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2:29 PM
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My grandmother was a dogme teacher in a 1 room school house in the 1920s. She didn't know the word, but knew good teaching. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:29 PM
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@LukeMeddings Also indicates what was an unprepared lesson and what falls more into the philosophy of a dogme lesson #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:29 PM
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I think it is wrong to deny that there is a methodology to dogme- approach, framework, methodology meanings all similar at heart #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:29 PM
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@Clam762 Not necessarily about using or not using books. More about where the language comes from and how it is developed. #ELTChat
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mattledding
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2:29 PM
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RT @esolcourses: @LukeMeddings @Marisa_C had lots of conversations at #IATEFL about rethinking roles... some teachers aren't comfortable with change #ELTChat
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theteacherjames
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2:29 PM
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@LukeMeddings #eltchat ..and they come alive because someone has finally asked them about what interests them. It shouldn't hard, should it?
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:29 PM
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@harrisonmike and the confidence #eltchat
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hakan_sentrk
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2:29 PM
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@theteacherjames they wouldn't like the idea. They have 200 teachers to deal with + 3 different teaching/student levels #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:29 PM
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RT @harrisonmike: #dogme's a perfect fit4esol. St profile so varied (phd qualified 2 pre-literate sts in same class). Predetermined courses dont work #eltchat
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bamarcia
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2:29 PM
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RT @LukeMeddings The methodology is evolving but it demands a rethink of the roles of teacher, syllabus, learner, interaction #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:29 PM
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@LukeMeddings You know that this is the usual criticism of Methods/approaches - a clear framework makes it more accessible #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:30 PM
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@vickihollett Hi Vicki, welcome to #eltchat
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:30 PM
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also prefer "unplugged" Saw a "Idiots" by Lars von Trier and got dizzy and nauseous. Wish he had used some technology #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:30 PM
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@esolcourses Think it's setting up the lesson that can be difficult for some Ts. They don't know how to respond to SS #ELTChat
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harrisonmike
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2:30 PM
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@OUPELTGlobal Indeed. Confidence is such a bit part of teaching, however you do it, conviction is key #eltchat
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hartle
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2:30 PM
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HI everyone just joined the discussion. Isn't fear an issue for teachers too? They feel safer with "a book"? #iatefl #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:30 PM
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RT @chucksandy: My grandmother was a dogme teacher in a 1 room school house in the 1920s. She didn't know the word, but knew good teaching. #eltchat
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vickihollett
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2:30 PM
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Hello #eltchat
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Clam762
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2:30 PM
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Let me see if I understood: WeΒ΄re talking about DOGME! IsnΒ΄t it teaching without using books? #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:30 PM
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@sandymillin agree up to a point, though think it depends on how you set the lesson up. IME, If you hook 'em, they get engrossed #ELTChat
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yitzha_sarwono
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2:31 PM
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@englishraven @Clam762 I prefer that term 'Unplugged' too! I think it defines Dogme better #eltchat
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:31 PM
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@sandymillin Wow, I hope that's not true. I always assumed a teacher had a talent that needed to be developed. #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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2:31 PM
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#eltchat 1 of the reasons I love dogme is because it fights conservatism & laziness in teachers, students, institutions & publishers.
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esolcourses
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2:31 PM
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@chucksandy excellent point, Chuck! #eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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2:31 PM
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RT @chucksandy: My grandmother was a dogme teacher in a 1 room school house in the 1920s. She didn't know the word, but knew good teaching. #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:31 PM
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RT @harrisonmike: @OUPELTGlobal Indeed. Confidence is such a bit part of teaching, however you do it, conviction is key #eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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2:31 PM
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@yearinthelifeof We were aware of limitations to 'dogme' as a name from v early but it just stuck - part of its charm? ; ) #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:31 PM
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@Shaunwilden Many of the things presented in Teaching Unplugged actually map quite neatly into Richards+Rodgers approach scheme! #ELTChat
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harrisonmike
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2:31 PM
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@OUPELTGlobal Such a big* part of teaching #eltchat
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Lindsay_Warwick
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2:31 PM
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Can teachers be trained in dogme techniques? E.g. what techniques can they employ to deal with emerging language for example? #eltchat
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danhummsoriano
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2:32 PM
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#ELTChat I believe in loose Dogme ie having a base of materials but being ready to tackle emergent needs and language.
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harrisonmike
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2:32 PM
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@Lindsay_Warwick Why not? Check @AnthonyGaughan's blog http://trunc.it/fhuxc for a dogme approach to training teachers #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:32 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: @englishraven yes but it's the 'design' category' we need more info on #ELTChat > Exactly! :-))
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Marisa_C
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2:32 PM
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RT @chucksandy: Also, pre-dogme / unplugged we used to call it going in naked but ready. #eltchat > he he he
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Shaunwilden
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2:32 PM
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RT @chucksandy: Also, pre-dogme / unplugged we used to call it going in naked but ready. #eltchat
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:32 PM
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@Shaunwilden Love that word CONVICTION, very important to teaching and learning #eltchat
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mmgrinberg
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2:32 PM
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@Lindsay_Warwick Good question! How would you learn to think on your feet? #eltchat
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chucksandy
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2:32 PM
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Also, pre-dogme / unplugged we used to call it going in naked but ready. #eltchat
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yearinthelifeof
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2:32 PM
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@OUPELTGlobal They eventually gave up and moved onto a new fad b/c it was too restrictive - bad omen? Hope not #ELTchat
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englishraven
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2:32 PM
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@LukeMeddings I dislike it, actually... I'm an unplugged man! #ELTChat
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Marisa_C
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2:32 PM
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@englishraven yes but it's the 'design' category' we need more info on #ELTChat
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hartle
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2:33 PM
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Yes, it's a cse of thinking on your feet, and teachers need to be ready to improvise when unplugged or more when plugged in #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:33 PM
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RT @harrisonmike: @OUPELTGlobal Indeed. Confidence is such a bit part of teaching, however you do it, conviction is key #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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2:33 PM
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@hakan_sentrk #eltchat So they prefer the quick fix of a CB rather than looking at the needs of the sts? All too common, unfortunately.
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worldteacher
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2:33 PM
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RT @chucksandy: My grandmother was a dogme teacher in a 1 room school house in the 1920s. She didn't know the word, but knew good teaching. #eltchat
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:33 PM
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I think I used to call it "winging it" when I first started out in ELT #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:33 PM
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@Marisa_C Yes, we have the 'view of what language is' and the 'techniques', but not a lot of the 'design' (yet?) #ELTChat
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Clam762
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2:33 PM
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I guess we go back to something very simple: We need to be looking for the needs, once again. #eltchat
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JoshSRound
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2:33 PM
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RT @Lindsay_Warwick: how to deal with emerging language for example? #eltchat is it the 4 Rs? review, recast, recycle and sth else?? :)
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gknightbkk
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2:33 PM
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RT @theteacherjames: #eltchat 1 of the reasons I love dogme is because it fights conservatism & laziness in teachers, students, institutions & publishers.
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sandymillin
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2:33 PM
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@OUPELTGlobal Depends on how new the T is + their personality. "Talent to be developed" is ideal situation! Not always tru tho #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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2:33 PM
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What imagery! RT @Marisa_C: RT @chucksandy: Also, pre-dogme / unplugged we used to call it going in naked but ready. #eltchat; he he he
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cioccas
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2:33 PM
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RT @mmgrinberg: @Lindsay_Warwick Good question! How would you learn to think on your feet? #eltchat < Can learn from good role models
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Shaunwilden
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2:34 PM
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RT @OUPELTGlobal: I used to call it "winging it" when I started #eltchat dogme is not winging it - ts need more skill than luck :-)
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Harmerj
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2:34 PM
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@englishraven WHY unplugged (all the time)? What great advantages over bringing in interesting information/protypical texts etc? #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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2:34 PM
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@yearinthelifeof #eltchat Have to question the idea that the film movement failed, but maybe not today!
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:34 PM
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RT My grandmother was a dogme teacher in a 1 room school house in the 1920s. She didn't know the word, but knew good teaching. #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:34 PM
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RT @hartle: Isn't fear an issue? They feel safer with "a book"? #iatefl #eltchat <for many yes, thn experience + confidence> fear decreases
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yearinthelifeof
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2:34 PM
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RT @vickihollett: #ELTCHAT Think we all agree that addressing needs is key. When a company is the paying customer, does its needs supersede the stdts?
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esolcourses
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2:34 PM
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@sandymillin OTOH (playing devil's advocate) I'm sure most teachers have had lessons that took an unexpected tangent, which worked #ELTChat
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chucksandy
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2:34 PM
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RT @theteacherjames: 1 of the reasons I love dogme is it fights conservatism & laziness in ts, ss, institutions & publishers. >Yes #eltchat
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yearinthelifeof
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2:34 PM
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@LukeMeddings :-) #ELTchat Shame that some take the monicker too strictly
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harrisonmike
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2:34 PM
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@cioccas @mmgrinberg @Lindsay_Warwick You can't grow without space first of all. Constraints can limit teacher creativity #eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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2:34 PM
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@harrisonmike @Marisa_C @chucksandy Just let's hope nothing more emerges from 'naked but ready' - it's not even lunchtime here! #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:34 PM
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RT @Clam762: guess we go back to something very simple: We need to be looking for the needs, once again. #eltchat > Simple can be beautiful!
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eslbrazil
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2:34 PM
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I's thinking here when I's reading the tweets! Is there a teacher thet use only one approach (Dogme, Comunicative, ect... in class? #ELTchat
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vickihollett
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2:34 PM
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#ELTCHAT Think we all agree that addressing needs is key. When a company is the paying customer, does its needs supersede the stdts?
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JoshSRound
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2:34 PM
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RT @OUPELTGlobal: I think I used to call it "winging it" when I first started out in ELT #eltchat LOL!!
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danhummsoriano
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2:35 PM
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@esolcourses @sandymillin #ELTChat the problem with that is teachers seeing the materials as the cause of goo lessons not good teaching
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sandymillin
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2:35 PM
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RT @Lindsay_Warwick: Can teachers be trained in dogme techniques? E.g. what techniques can they employ to deal with emerging language for example? #eltchat
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chucksandy
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2:35 PM
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RT @LukeMeddings: @harrisonmike @Marisa_C No worries ^^ I'm fully dressed but ready none-the-less ^^
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esolcourses
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2:35 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: RT @OUPELTGlobal: I used to call it "winging it" when I started #eltchat dogme is not winging it - ts need more skill than luck :-)
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worldteacher
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2:35 PM
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@chucksandy Also, pre-dogme / unplugged we used to call it going in naked but ready. #eltchat >Like it!!
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englishraven
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2:35 PM
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@eslbrazil I actually believe in something I call un)=plug=(un... latches notion of coursebook onto end of unplugged lessons. #ELTChat
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LukeMeddings
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2:35 PM
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@danhummsoriano @englishraven Again this depends on how we define 'design' - can be non-linear, emergent, responsive #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:35 PM
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@Shaunwilden Yes but 'winging it' is what a lot of Ts do and call it dogme #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:35 PM
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@esolcourses This is what we should highlight when talking about Dogme - T have often had successful Dogme moments already #ELTChat
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Lindsay_Warwick
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2:35 PM
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There must be techniques that cn be used 2 'think on your feet'. How do Ts decide what emerging lang to deal with and then how? #eltchat
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hartle
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2:35 PM
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I think it's not just being "naked and ready" but being learner centred, seeing the learners all the rest follows... #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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2:35 PM
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@vickihollett In my view, if that's the case, then the company has totally got the development plan for employees wrong #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:35 PM
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@sandymillin down to inexperience/lack of confidence, perhaps? #ELTChat
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gknightbkk
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2:35 PM
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When I startedteaching, not thinking on my feet got me fired #eltchat
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eslbrazil
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2:35 PM
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because I think there is no Bible method or approach when we tach English or other language,so we need to mix approaches #ELTchat
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mmgrinberg
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2:35 PM
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@cioccas @harrisonmike Or boost! #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:35 PM
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RT @esolcourses: @sandymillin OTOH I'm sure most teachers have had lessons that took unexpected tangent, which worked #ELTChat - definitely!
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yearinthelifeof
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2:36 PM
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@theteacherjames #ELTchat it was abandoned in 2005, although the practitioners moved on to new things
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:36 PM
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@Marisa_C I like to think I can go into a class and know how to teach without using any extras, #eltchat
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ddeubel
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2:36 PM
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#eltchat How does Dogme help students become independent learners?
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Marisa_C
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2:36 PM
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@Shaunwilden I know! #eltchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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2:36 PM
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@sandymillin @hartle 'fear' sure is d issue but then again Ts has to emerge form it to get their sts to have the courage too right?#eltchat
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theteacherjames
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2:36 PM
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RT @chucksandy: Also, pre-dogme / unplugged we used to call it going in naked but ready. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:36 PM
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@chucksandy @LukeMeddings skipping lunch after this :-D #eltchat
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chucksandy
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2:36 PM
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RT @sandymillin: @esolcourses I like the term "Dogme moments". Perhaps getting Ts to reflect on those is a way in for the reluctant #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:36 PM
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@Marisa_C Oh agreed but thats what helps teachers get it wrong - OMG I'm defedning dogme whatever next! #eltchat
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hartle
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2:36 PM
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...Look at yr learners, listen to them, find out what their needs are and help them #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:36 PM
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RT @danhummsoriano: @esolcourses #ELTChat problem is teachers seeing the materials as the cause of goo lessons not good teaching <agreed
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esolcourses
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2:36 PM
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RT @sandymillin: @esolcourses This is what we should highlight when talking about Dogme - T have often had successful Dogme moments already #ELTChat
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Marisa_C
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2:36 PM
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@Shaunwilden Which may not be a bad thing - but a lot of other things have to be equal :-) #eltchat
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japglish
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2:36 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden Yes but 'winging it' is what a lot of Ts do and call it dogme #eltchat have observed a fair few of those
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Clam762
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2:36 PM
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Does evrybody here with class books? #eltchat
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:37 PM
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@ddeubel being more involved in the lesson and the lesson depending on them as much as on materials, no? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:37 PM
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@OUPELTGlobal That is all really nice - less is more - more often than not #eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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2:37 PM
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@sandymillin @esolcourses Ts have often had dogme moments, even dogme terms,but w/out the framework felt they were out on a limb #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:37 PM
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RT @cioccas: @esolcourses And aren't the successful Dogme moments the ones you remember most vividly? #ELTChat Yep! And want to repeat
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Clam762
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2:37 PM
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work I meant with class books? #eltchat
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hakan_sentrk
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2:37 PM
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How about Dogme textbooks (is that an oxymoron?). #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:37 PM
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@Harmerj Think biggest things are engagement and getting closer to where the learners' real language (and language needs) are at. #ELTChat
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hartle
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2:37 PM
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@sandymillin yes this is the porblem. That and over focusing on lesson plans rather than learners. #eltchat
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cioccas
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2:37 PM
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@sandymillin: @esolcourses And aren't the successful Dogme moments the ones you remember most vividly? #ELTChat
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BobK99
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2:38 PM
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RT with tag: @sandymillin Also, sponsors see it as a 'value for money' issue - student gets CB :-( #eltchat
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yearinthelifeof
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2:38 PM
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@theteacherjames How many good dogme films have you ever seen? #ELTchat
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Harmerj
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2:38 PM
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@englishraven well yes, but unplugged means you think YOU can get inside stduents' heads whereas they have inner minds too #eltchat
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hartle
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2:38 PM
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@sandymillin Absolutely! It's the intangible nature of the lesson, what goes on but can't be quantified when learning is there.. #eltchat
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vickihollett
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2:38 PM
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#ELTCHAT I think there are times when a company's needs may be rather different to individual needs
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Clam762
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2:38 PM
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@sandymillin @cioccas @esolcourses I donΒ΄t know how to answer to this. #eltchat
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bamarcia
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2:38 PM
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RT @Harmerj WHY unplugged (all the time)? What great advantages over bringing in interesting information/protypical texts etc? #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:38 PM
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@hartle And CELTA focus on lesson plans can cause probs 2 I think, as Ts forget learners. Dogme helps put SS back in spotlight #eltchat
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yearinthelifeof
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2:38 PM
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@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden I think 'winging it' has a fairly establish yet unwritten framework of its own. #ELTchat Hey, there's my first book!
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Lindsay_Warwick
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2:38 PM
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Me too! RT @danhummsoriano: #ELTChat I believe in loose Dogme ie having a base of materials bt being ready to tackle emergent needs & lang.
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Marisa_C
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2:39 PM
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@pjgallantry :-) the chicken or the egg? #eltchat
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chucksandy
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2:39 PM
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RT @gknightbkk: Does anyone remember books like Personally Speaking, Minds Eye and Ideas? > I still have copies ^^ #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:39 PM
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RT @harrisonmike: @cioccas @mmgrinberg @Lindsay_Warwick You can't grow without space first of all. Constraints can limit teacher creativity #eltchat
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:39 PM
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RT @gknightbkk: Does anyone remember books like Personally Speaking, Mind's Eye and Ideas? Yes, and loved them #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:39 PM
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@Harmerj And anyway, unplugged CATERS to bringing in interesting information and prototypical texts (just not always OURS) :-) #ELTChat
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LukeMeddings
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2:39 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: @chucksandy @LukeMeddings skipping lunch after this :-D #eltchat
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juanalejandro26
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2:39 PM
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#mustconfess I didn't know what dogme was. learning again with #ELTCHat
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xdennisanderson
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2:39 PM
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@sergiopantojajr Γ”, SΓ©rgio, se vocΓ quer participar do #eltchat, Γ© melhor tirar o cadeado do perfil, senΓ£o o pessoal nΓ£o vai poder ler.
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pjgallantry
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2:39 PM
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#eltchat I occasionally take the Harry Hill Approach to Methodology:'now, I like Dogme and I like CLT. But which one is better?....'
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gknightbkk
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2:39 PM
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Does anyone remember books like Personally Speaking, Mind's Eye and Ideas? #eltchat
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mattledding
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2:39 PM
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@harrisonmike for some people, the ultimate freedom is freedom from freedom. #eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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2:39 PM
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@Harmerj @englishraven Dogme Ts (and Ss) do bring in interesting info/proto texts but short and sweet - stimulus not 'material' #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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2:40 PM
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@vickihollett Hmm maybe. Is real return on PD investment for them that learners do an exam? How do they measure 'success'? #eltchat
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:40 PM
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Isn't dogme a reaction to too many materials that teacher and students get lost in the process?! #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:40 PM
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@LukeMeddings But this is something I have seen in all sorts of lessons taught by good Ts Luke :-) #eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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2:40 PM
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@Harmerj @englishraven Unplugged is opposite of thinking 'you can get inside Ss heads'-it allows space for what's already there #eltchat
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juanalejandro26
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2:40 PM
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RT @willycard: #DOGME is like this #ELTchat: 1 idea + good Qs = 1h of engaged ppl negotiating meaning n experie. Next: get all the language and work on it!
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sandymillin
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2:40 PM
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RT @Harmerj: @englishraven interesting information/protypical texts etc? #eltchat <agree w/ question, but who decides what's interesting?
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hartle
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2:40 PM
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@gknightbkk yes I do!! and they were great I really lke the MInd's Eye.. What about the Alan Maley poetry book.. #eltchat
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ddeubel
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2:40 PM
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@OUPELTGlobal Somewhat valid but it still has a teacher focus. Too much teacher "power" in the room imho #eltchat
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willycard
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2:40 PM
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#DOGME is like this #ELTchat: 1 idea + good Qs = 1h of engaged ppl negotiating meaning n experie. Next: get all the language and work on it!
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yearinthelifeof
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2:40 PM
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Where's @thornburyscott anyway? #ELTchat
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Harmerj
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2:40 PM
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@englishraven of course a teacher's job is to provoke and engage with all kinds of material (heavy or light). That's teaching #eltchat
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eslbrazil
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2:40 PM
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RT @Harmerj: @englishraven well yes, but unplugged means you think YOU can get inside stduents' heads whereas they have inner minds too #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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2:41 PM
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RT @willycard: #DOGME = this #ELTchat: 1 idea + gd Qs = 1h of engaged ppl negotiating meaning n exp. Nxt: get all the lang and work on it!
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esolcourses
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2:41 PM
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@LukeMeddings yes, agree the framework makes things much, much easier - also sharing/comparing/discussing theory with other people #ELTChat
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LukeMeddings
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2:41 PM
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@Harmerj @englishraven Don't agree - teaching is engaging with all kinds of people (heavy or light) #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:41 PM
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@OUPELTGlobal I think played a part in it yes #eltchat
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danhummsoriano
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2:41 PM
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@Harmerj #ELTchat how do you access inner minds? Basing lessons on requests and conversation is more successful than basing it on books
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CeciELT
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2:41 PM
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RT @fionamau: Judging frm voting 4 tomoro's #eltchat I'm going 2 have 2 pull over & tweet frm my car, tomorrow midday!New experience. http://bit.ly/fD8KRF
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sandymillin
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2:41 PM
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@Lindsay_Warwick Think deciding what to focus on comes down to knowing your learners - what is most useful for them at that point #eltchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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2:41 PM
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@ddeubel dogme can help sts by getting them 2 c that not everything has 2 b done by d books,Learning can b broaden than papers just #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:41 PM
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@Harmerj Mmm, don't recall ever saying that :-) #ELTChat
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sandymillin
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2:42 PM
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RT @hakan_sentrk: How about Dogme textbooks (is that an oxymoron?). #eltchat <possibly, but you could have prompts in it SS could choose
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yitzha_sarwono
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2:42 PM
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@OUPELTGlobal Isn't dogme a reaction to too many materials that teacher and students get lost in the process?! #eltchat >> sounds like it
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Marisa_C
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2:42 PM
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@LukeMeddings fast fast fast #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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2:42 PM
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#eltchat for those unfamiliar with the Harry Hill approach-- Harry Hill's TV Burp http://t.co/mvO1u6z via @youtube
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hartle
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2:42 PM
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@danhummsoriano we aren't mind readers but we can provide strateigies to help people access their own inner minds #eltchat
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Dingtonia
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2:42 PM
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RT @willycard: #DOGME is like this #ELTchat: 1 idea + good Qs = 1h of engaged ppl negotiating meaning n experie. Next: get all the language and work on it!
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Marisa_C
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2:42 PM
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@danhummsoriano Isn't that called a Negotiatble Syllabus? #ELTchat
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LukeMeddings
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2:42 PM
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Phew ok keep going #eltchat
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mattledding
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2:43 PM
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RT @willycard: #DOGME is like this #ELTchat: 1 idea + good Qs = 1h of engaged ppl negotiating meaning n experie. Next: get all the language and work on it!
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:43 PM
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RT @sandymillin: @Clam762 With shared classes I have coursebooks, with my classes I have more freedom #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:43 PM
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I think that in terms of materials design dogme materials will be possible only in fully digitalised format #ELTchat
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esolcourses
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2:43 PM
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RT @sandymillin RT @cioccas @esolcourses And aren't the successful Dogme moments the ones you remember most vividly? #ELTChat Yep! ]seconded
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danhummsoriano
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2:43 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat the difference between neg syll and Dogme is the decision is made in the classroom and not out of it. next tweet coming!
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chucksandy
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2:43 PM
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Half facetiously: wouldn't true dogme teachers hesitate being constrained by a term / framework like dogme? #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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2:43 PM
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@mattledding I guess constraints can lead to creativity. See certain forms of poetry (e.g. diamante) for example #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:43 PM
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@Clam762 With shared classes I have coursebooks, with my classes I have more freedom #eltchat
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CeciELT
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2:43 PM
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Time difference is going to drive me mad: just realized #eltchat is on!
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eslbrazil
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2:44 PM
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@sandymillin @Harmerj @englishraven May be we can do a fast survey in the beggining or in the end of the lesson. #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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2:44 PM
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@Shaunwilden Because decisions need to be made quickly and on the spot based on the current stage of any exchange #eltchat
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eslbrazil
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2:44 PM
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@sandymillin @Harmerj @englishraven Students decide #ELTchat
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ddeubel
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2:44 PM
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RT @danhummsoriano: @Marisa_C #eltchat the difference between neg syll and Dogme is the decision is made in the classroom and not out of it. next tweet coming!
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harrisonmike
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2:44 PM
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@sandymillin @hakan_sentrk They are the ones you write as you go! #eltchat #dogme coursebooks
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LukeMeddings
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2:44 PM
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@englishraven @Harmerj Good point Jason - unplugged can be a great way into thematic material that's already on the syllabus #eltchat
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chucksandy
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2:44 PM
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RT @hartle: @danhummsoriano we arent mind readers but we can provide strateigies to help people access their own inner minds >nice #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:44 PM
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@Marisa_C Why do you think that? #eltchat
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JoshSRound
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2:45 PM
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Does any1 work in school where unplugged teaching is the norm? IF so how to achieve that? #eltchat
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mmgrinberg
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2:45 PM
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I like non-linear coursebooks where ss can choose where to go. These can be adopted by schools favoring D #eltchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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2:45 PM
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The thing about dogme in Indonesia is that in only applicable in conversation class.As sts demand textbooks for others #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:45 PM
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@Marisa_C but doesnt any predetermined material undermine that whether digital or not? #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:45 PM
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@LukeMeddings Well, yes, but I meant I create CB material and find other material based on what emerged in the unplugged lesson. #ELTChat
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CeciELT
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2:45 PM
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RT @LukeMeddings: Afraid I don't agree dogme is simply good teaching practice - it can incorporate many good practiceS but it has structure & theory #eltchat
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yearinthelifeof
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2:45 PM
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@CeciELT You've got 15 minutes left, so make the most of it #ELTchat So far we all think dogme is great apart from those who don't agree.
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chucksandy
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2:45 PM
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RT @esolcourses RT @sandymillin RT@cioccas @esolcourses Arent successful Dogme moments the ones you remember most vividly? >3rd-ed #eltchat
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mattledding
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2:45 PM
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RT @LukeMeddings: @Harmerj @englishraven Unplugged is opposite of thinking 'you can get inside Ss heads'-it allows space for what's already there #eltchat
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cybraryman1
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2:46 PM
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Teaching unplugged links are on my Dogme page: http://tinyurl.com/4aa72lm #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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2:46 PM
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#eltchat here's my One Creme Egg lesson:Paul's ELT Journal: http://t.co/qwYvvXU
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Marisa_C
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2:46 PM
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@esolcourses yes! #ELTchat
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:46 PM
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@JoshSRound Wouldn't this depend on the imas of the course? seems difficult for exam classes. #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:46 PM
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RT @Marisa_C think that in terms of materials design dogme materials will be possible only in fully digitalised format #ELTchat ]+editable
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sandymillin
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2:46 PM
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RT @danhummsoriano: @Harmerj #ELTchat Basing lessons on requests +succ thn books <agreed, but prob when learners don't know what they want
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web20education
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2:46 PM
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RT @englishraven: RT @LukeMeddings: @Harmerj Don't agree - teaching is engaging with all kinds of people (heavy or light) #eltchat > Very well said.
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Shaunwilden
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2:46 PM
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@Marisa_C Ah ok got yer #eltchat
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eslbrazil
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2:46 PM
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Rt @willycard @gknightbkk: Some language schools throw new teachers in at the deep end - no prep, no materia… #ELTchat http://deck.ly/~SWlwI
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englishraven
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2:46 PM
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RT @LukeMeddings: @Harmerj Don't agree - teaching is engaging with all kinds of people (heavy or light) #eltchat > Very well said.
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LukeMeddings
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2:46 PM
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@englishraven I know you meant to create (140 characters an all that!) - but can also be blended if need be #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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2:46 PM
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@vickihollett Can you tell me what some examples of short/long-term target are? Happy employees? I'm confused. #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:46 PM
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@yitzha_sarwono Is that because it is habit to use cbks? #eltchat
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hakan_sentrk
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2:46 PM
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@harrisonmike how would a DOS react to such a book? Would he buy it? #eltchat #dogme
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yitzha_sarwono
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2:46 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: I think that in terms of materials design dogme materials will be possible only in fully digitalised format #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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2:46 PM
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@Shaunwilden I don't mean predetermined material - I mean AVAILABLE material you can tap into at will and at any point #eltchat
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worldteacher
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2:47 PM
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Can dogme teaching be used with beginners or is it only suitable for higher levels? #eltchat
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Harmerj
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2:47 PM
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@englishraven damn! Should have said 'teaching is engageing with all kinds of MATERIAL (heavy or light)!!! #eltchat
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JoshSRound
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2:47 PM
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@OUPELTGlobal yes, exam class teaching came up in the symposium Q&As - did any1 catch the proposed solution? #eltchat
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cioccas
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2:47 PM
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@yitzha_sarwono Good point - what about when Ss think they need or even demand a coursebook, don't think are learning with dogme? #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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2:47 PM
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@englishraven nice idea #eltchat
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gknightbkk
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2:47 PM
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Put a coin on the desk and asked 4 ss to talk about it. Thought they would discuss value but ss talked for an hour about the motif #eltchat
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Clam762
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2:47 PM
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I use everything I believe is going to help me and my sts. #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:47 PM
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RT @danhummsoriano: @JoshSRound #eltchat would love to see a school where dogme is the norm. I'm happy if it is seen as a good weapon in the arsenal!!
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englishraven
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2:47 PM
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RT @mmgrinberg: I like non-linear coursebooks where ss can choose where to go. These can be adopted by schools favoring D #eltchat > Yep!
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danhummsoriano
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2:47 PM
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@JoshSRound #eltchat would love to see a school where dogme is the norm. I'm happy if it is seen as a good weapon in the arsenal!!
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harrisonmike
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2:47 PM
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@hakan_sentrk You'd have a book deal for every year/course at least if they did! #dogme coursebooks #eltchat
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:48 PM
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RT @LukeMeddings: We overestimate the value of branded materials and underestimate the potential of ordinary people #eltchat
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JoshSRound
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2:48 PM
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RT @LukeMeddings: We overestimate the value of branded materials & underestimate the potential of ordinary people - in classrooms #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:48 PM
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@worldteacher dogme for beginners is possible but sounds more like it could use Counselling Learning techniques to work #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:48 PM
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@yitzha_sarwono: sts demand textbooks for others #eltchat <SS need retraining as well as teachers! They don't know what's good for them ;)
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Harmerj
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2:48 PM
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If all my learning had come from materials-light convo I would know a lot less about everyting (don't know much anyway) #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:48 PM
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@LukeMeddings Yes I agree. Actually what I think @Harmerj is missing in my admiration for unplugged is the sheer flexibility/range. #ELTChat
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Shaunwilden
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2:48 PM
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RT @LukeMeddings: We overestimate the value of branded materials and underestimate the potential of ordinary people - in classrooms, in the world #eltchat
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hakan_sentrk
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2:48 PM
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Don't you believe that 2nd language exposure and the way information is perceived has completely changed?Does dogme fit into that?#eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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2:48 PM
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We overestimate the value of branded materials and underestimate the potential of ordinary people - in classrooms, in the world #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:48 PM
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RT @worldteacher: Can dogme teaching be used with beginners or is it only suitable for higher levels? #eltchat
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hakan_sentrk
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2:49 PM
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@hartle I believe that it is changing in such a way that new language learning theories will be formed #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:49 PM
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@Lindsay_Warwick @sandymillin Yes i struggle to see how new trainees will be able to handle it #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:49 PM
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@OUPELTGlobal I can't begin to tell you just how much I admire seeing a major publisher retweet something like that! :-))) #ELTChat
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theteacherjames
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2:49 PM
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@worldteacher Check my timeline for a link to @englishraven blog. You can see an example of a beginner class & dogme in action! #eltchat
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chucksandy
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2:49 PM
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RT @LukeMeddings We overestimate the value of branded materials & underestimate the potential of ordinary people (in class/ world) #eltchat
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danhummsoriano
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2:49 PM
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RT @JoshSRound: RT @LukeMeddings: We overestimate the value of branded materials & underestimate the potential of ordinary people - in classrooms #eltchat
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Harmerj
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2:49 PM
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@englishraven I am completely happy with dogme flexibility (= the stuff of all good teachers), but it tells a very partial story #eltchat
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danhummsoriano
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2:49 PM
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@sandymillin @Harmerj #eltchat but it isn't about learners or teachers knowing what they want pre lesson. it is what they want & need now!
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englishraven
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2:49 PM
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RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @LukeMeddings: We overestimate the value of branded materials and underestimate the potential of ordinary people #eltchat
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hartle
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2:49 PM
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#eltchat@hakan_sentrk I believe it's changing for some... but not for everyone
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Lindsay_Warwick
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2:49 PM
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@sandymillin I'm thinking as a CELTA trainer and how new teachers would need a lot of support with dealing with emerging lang. #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:49 PM
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RT @JoshSRound: Does any1 work in school where unplugged teaching is the norm? IF so how to achieve that? #eltchat < would love to know!
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yitzha_sarwono
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2:50 PM
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@Shaunwilden yup,old habit dies hard here :p.funny thing is I'm teaching primary school w/out texbooks now,but 4 older st,it's hard #eltchat
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danhummsoriano
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2:50 PM
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@JoshSRound #eltchat - very well put Josh. To my mind Coursebooks are the opium of the mass of teachers. Ordinary people contribute more!
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JoshSRound
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2:50 PM
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RT @Lindsay_Warwick: @sandymillin I'm thinking as a CELTA trainer and how new teachers would need a lot of support with dealing with emerging lang. #eltchat
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Harmerj
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2:50 PM
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@danhummsoriano "it's about what they need now?" And THEY know? YOU know? A very hit and miss affair!! #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:50 PM
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@Harmerj Sorry, I think the flexibility is in 'unplugged', not 'Dogme'. I'm not a Dogme fan... :-) #ELTChat
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harrisonmike
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2:50 PM
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RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @LukeMeddings: We overestimate the value of branded materials and underestimate the potential of ordinary people #eltchat
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hartle
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2:50 PM
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@Lindsay_Warwick yes trainees find it hard to learn how to use materials... but when I did the "Certificate" there were none #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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2:50 PM
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How can Dogme work in relation to ESP or EAP? #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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2:50 PM
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@worldteacher My experience of dogme with elementary to pre-int students here on @kalinagoenglish http://trunc.it/g9as8 #dogme #eltchat
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eslbrazil
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2:50 PM
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RT @englishraven: RT @mmgrinberg: I like non-linear coursebooks where ss can choose where to go. These can be adopted by schools favoring D #eltchat > Yep!
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worldteacher
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2:50 PM
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@cioccas Agree Here in Italy sts think they need a cb & aren't happy until they've completed every exercise! Speaking is secondary! #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:50 PM
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RT @Harmerj: @englishraven I am completely happy with dogme flexibility (= the stuff of all good teachers), but it tells a very partial story #eltchat
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CeciELT
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2:50 PM
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RT @willycard: #DOGME is like this #ELTchat: 1 idea + good Qs = 1h of engaged ppl negotiating meaning n experie. Next: get all the language and work on it!
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chucksandy
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2:51 PM
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RT @sandymillin: my mum put Dogme into Google to find out what we were talking about: real time result is our #eltchat discussion #eltchat
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vickihollett
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2:51 PM
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#ELTCHAT @harrisonmike big question. e.g. long term goal could be getting out of one market and into anothe… (cont) http://deck.ly/~rhNt8
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gknightbkk
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2:51 PM
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@pjgallantry How can Dogme work in relation to ESP or EAP? #eltchat >> SS often know ESP content better than the T
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Harmerj
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2:51 PM
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@englishraven apologies. But I think good teachers have ALWAYS been unplugged at times. I can't think why they wouldn't. #eltchat
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cioccas
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2:51 PM
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@englishraven Not sure I understand difference between 'unplugged' and 'dogme', thought they were being used interchangeably here #ELTchat
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hartle
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2:51 PM
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So what's the difference between unplugged and Dogme (I missed the symposium :-( #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:51 PM
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RT @dingtonia: The potential of ordinary people learning is where the dogme classroom starts #eltchat
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chucksandy
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2:51 PM
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@englishraven: was it you who came up with the blank white board activities? I love those. #eltchat
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Dingtonia
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2:51 PM
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The potential of ordinary people learning is where the dogme classroom starts #eltchat
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japglish
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2:51 PM
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@Shaunwilden @Lindsay_Warwick @sandymillin Yes i struggle to see how new trainees will be able to handle it #eltchat < completely agree
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sandymillin
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2:51 PM
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(Aside: my mum put 'Dogme' into Google to find out what we were talking about: real time result is our #eltchat discussion) :)
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esolcourses
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2:51 PM
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RT @harrisonmike: @worldteacher My experience of dogme with elementary to pre-int students here on @kalinagoenglish http://trunc.it/g9as8 #dogme #eltchat
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Clam762
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2:51 PM
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@Harmerj Am I going to see in LABCI? #eltchat
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worldteacher
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2:52 PM
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@harrisonmike Really useful - thanks! #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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2:52 PM
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@Harmerj @danhummsoriano But does a course/book/material provide what people need? #eltchat
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nutrich
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2:52 PM
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Looks like a cracking #eltchat that I haven't been able to take part in! I look forward to the summary
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yitzha_sarwono
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2:52 PM
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@cioccas I think when they trust us enough as their teacher they can see why dogme might works. I had that experience once #eltchat
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mattledding
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2:52 PM
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RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @LukeMeddings: We overestimate the value of branded materials and underestimate the potential of ordinary people #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:52 PM
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RT @Harmerj: I think good teachers have ALWAYS been unplugged at times. I can't think why they wouldn't. #eltchat > Huge agree there.
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BethCagnol
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2:52 PM
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Was gonna participate in the #ELTChat, but got stuck dealing w/ the French government's flipping useless website 4 my 2010 finical report!
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mattledding
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2:52 PM
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RT @englishraven: @OUPELTGlobal I can't begin to tell you just how much I admire seeing a major publisher retweet something like that! :-))) #ELTChat
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danhummsoriano
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2:52 PM
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@Harmerj #eltchat and all coursebook lessons hit? only way a lesson hits is when teachers sees what learner needs. easier through dialogue
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BobK99
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2:52 PM
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RT @esolcourses: RT @dingtonia: The potential of ordinary people learning is where the dogme classroom starts #eltchat ! Sounds good: link?
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Shaunwilden
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2:52 PM
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RT @sandymillin: my mum put 'Dogme' into Google to find out what we were talking about: real time result is our #eltchat discussion) :) lol
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hakan_sentrk
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2:52 PM
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RT @Harmerj: apologies. But I think good teachers have ALWAYS been unplugged at times. I can't think why they wouldn't. #eltchat
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worldteacher
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2:52 PM
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@theteacherjames Thanks! #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:52 PM
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@Harmerj Do publishers and writers know? Esp. those making 'global' coursebooks? Generally, I'd prefer the persons in the room :-) #ELTChat
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sandymillin
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2:52 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: @Lindsay_Warwick @sandymillin #eltchat Even as a confident linguist, Dogme would have scared me at 1st I think
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eslbrazil
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2:52 PM
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Right now I am only watching the #ELTchat
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BethCagnol
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2:53 PM
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RT @LukeMeddings: We overestimate the value of branded materials and underestimate the potential of ordinary people - in classrooms, in the world #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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2:53 PM
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#eltchat In the dogme discussion we spend too much time talking about difficulties for the teacher & not enough on the benefits for the sts.
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danhummsoriano
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2:53 PM
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RT @englishraven: RT @Harmerj: I think good teachers have ALWAYS been unplugged at times. I can't think why they wouldn't. #eltchat > Huge agree there.
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:53 PM
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the most important aspect of learning/teaching is the relationship between teacher and sts. all else helps or shouldn't be there #eltchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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2:53 PM
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@sandymillin hear hear! #eltchat
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hakan_sentrk
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2:53 PM
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@harrisonmike Good coursebook writer should know what student and teachers need. #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:53 PM
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@hakan_sentrk @Harmerj But then how do we make less 'good' teachers more unplugged? Which surely needs to happen #eltchat
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vickihollett
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2:53 PM
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@harrisonmike #ELTCHAT Being axed or retrained in a new area may not be what individual employees want.
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hartle
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2:53 PM
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@chucksandy whatw ere the blank whiteboard activities? #eltchat sounds fascinating
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worldteacher
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2:54 PM
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@sandymillin #eltchat Great!! Good that your Mum's so interested!!
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Shaunwilden
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2:54 PM
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@LukeMeddings 6 minutes Luke, hang in there :-) #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:54 PM
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RT @chucksandy: was it you who came up with ...? I love those. #eltchat Yes > Wandrous Whiteboard http://bit.ly/eV5L8Y
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hakan_sentrk
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2:54 PM
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@Shaunwilden by training them in good teaching methods without calling it dogme!! #eltchat
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teacherdude
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2:54 PM
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The beauty of cheap, new technology and the internet means that Dogme approaches can be used in myriad of innovative ways #eltchat
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gknightbkk
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2:54 PM
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RT @theteacherjames: #eltchat In the dogme discussion we spend too much time talking about difficulties for the teacher & not enough on the benefits for the sts.
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Harmerj
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2:54 PM
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@harrisonmike my Q is can u b sure that individual teachers KNOWS more that people with real experience & genuine learning passion #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:54 PM
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@hakan_sentrk:Good coursebook writer should...... #eltchat But coursebooks dont tend to be written for one set of sts
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LukeMeddings
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2:54 PM
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My brain feels like my body felt when I had to run the 400 metres at school - like it's not gonna last the distance! #eltchat
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BobK99
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2:54 PM
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RT @BobK99: RT @esolcourses: RT @dingtonia: - sorry, wrong RT! #ELTCHAT
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web20education
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2:54 PM
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#Yoono is free software that allows you to connect using #twitter #facebook http://t.co/Ma0DqCN #socialmedia #socialweb #edchat #eltchat
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AnnaMusielak
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2:55 PM
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RT @nutrich Looks like a cracking #eltchat that I haven't been able to take part in! I look forward to the summary >>> me too:(
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teacherdude
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2:55 PM
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Kodu, Scratch, Photostory, Windows Movie Maker, Gimp are just a few of the tools I use with my learners #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:55 PM
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Before this chat breaks up I need to ask if any of you would like to write this summary??? #ELTchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:55 PM
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@hakan_sentrk Agreed but dont you think these teachers also prefer to stick to a book as it's "less hassle" #eltchat
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mmgrinberg
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2:55 PM
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@Shaunwilden @hakan_sentrk @Harmerj Watch a video of a good lesson, but starting from the end. The trainees speculate re prev step #eltchat
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chucksandy
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2:55 PM
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RT @englishraven: Wandrous Whiteboard http://bit.ly/eV5L8Y Thanks!! ^^ #eltchat
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Harmerj
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2:55 PM
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@Shaunwilden I think we have always trained for lesson flexibility - a payoff between planning and execution? #eltchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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2:55 PM
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RT @sandymillin my mum put 'Dogme' into Google to find out what we were talking about: real time result is our #eltchat discussion) >> cool!
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esolcourses
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2:55 PM
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@BobK99 LOL! No worries! Happens to me sometimes as well when convo moves this fast :-) #ELTChat
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OUPELTGlobal
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2:55 PM
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In the dogme discussion we spend too much time talking about difficulties for the teacher & not enough on the benefits for the sts. #eltchat
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chucksandy
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2:55 PM
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RT @hartle: one I have tried: using a blank whiteboard as a space for Ss to write ideas & concerns they'd like to address in class #eltchat
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Harmerj
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2:56 PM
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@danhummsoriano ur 100% right of course. Many c'book lessons miss target completely - but not ALL. Same with teachers!! #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:56 PM
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The nice thing about the term 'unplugged' is that it also allows teaching which is 'plugged in" ! #ELTchat
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BethCagnol
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2:56 PM
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RT @Harmerj: @Shaunwilden I think we have always trained for lesson flexibility - a payoff between planning and execution? #eltchat
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danhummsoriano
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2:56 PM
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@Harmerj @Shaunwilden #eltchat are people trained for that or do they learn that?
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sandymillin
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2:56 PM
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@worldteacher I think it's good for beginners too if focussing on their needs. Have been trying it out a bit: http://bit.ly/f5uu26 #eltchat
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BethCagnol
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2:56 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: @LukeMeddings 6 minutes Luke, hang in there :-) #eltchat
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LauraAustinNow
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2:56 PM
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RT @OUPELTGlobal: In the dogme discussion we spend too much time talking about difficulties for the teacher & not enough on the benefits for the sts. #eltchat
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englishraven
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2:56 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: RT @sandymillin: my mum put 'Dogme' into Google to find out what we were talking about: real time result is our #eltchat discussion) :) lol
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LukeMeddings
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2:56 PM
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@Harmerj @harrisonmike J by people with real experience do you mean the learners? #eltchat
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CeciELT
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2:56 PM
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RT @englishraven @Harmerj Sorry, I think the flexibility is in 'unplugged', not 'Dogme'. I'm not a Dogme fan... :-) #ELTChat > Beautfly said
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vickysaumell
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2:56 PM
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#ELTChat So sorry I canΒ΄t join in today! Will certainlly catch up later.... Dashing off to work now!
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mattledding
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2:57 PM
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RT @mmgrinberg: @Shaunwilden @hakan_sentrk @Harmerj Watch a video of a good lesson, but starting from the end. The trainees speculate re prev step #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:57 PM
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RT @englishraven: If you've liked this #ELTChat about Dogme/Unplugged, I have a whole section of my blog devoted to it! http://bit.ly/bOEGC4
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englishraven
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2:57 PM
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If you've liked this #ELTChat about Dogme/Unplugged, I have a whole section of my blog devoted to it! http://bit.ly/bOEGC4
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Shaunwilden
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2:57 PM
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@hakan_sentrk Am not disagreeing with you just fueling the discussion :-) #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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2:57 PM
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RT @esolcourses: RT @teacherdude beauty of cheap, new technology & the internet means that Dogme approaches can be used in myriad of innovative ways #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:57 PM
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RT @danhummsoriano: @Harmerj @Shaunwilden #eltchat are people trained for that or do they learn that? - A bit of both?
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hakan_sentrk
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2:57 PM
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@Shaunwilden yes, they do, but even while using a book, good teaching methods have to be applied. #eltchat
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danhummsoriano
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2:57 PM
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@OUPELTGlobal #eltchat excellent point but this is always the issue with Dogme discussions. People see it as something hard to do
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harrisonmike
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2:57 PM
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@Harmerj Can any1 b sure of any1 or anything in that respect? Teaching &learning's not right &wrong, ¬ clear-cut. 'S why I lv it #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:57 PM
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RT @teacherdude beauty of cheap, new technology & the internet means that Dogme approaches can be used in myriad of innovative ways #eltchat
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mattledding
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2:57 PM
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RT @OUPELTGlobal: In the dogme discussion we spend too much time talking about difficulties for the teacher & not enough on the benefits for the sts. #eltchat
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hartle
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2:57 PM
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@chucksandy good idea. The simple ideas are always the best #eltchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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2:57 PM
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RT @englishraven: RT @Harmerj: I think good teachers have ALWAYS been unplugged at times. I can't think why they wouldn't. #eltchat > Huge agree there.
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Shaunwilden
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2:58 PM
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@harrisonmike And me but have chatted to, met, trained lots f teachers that would say otherwise #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:58 PM
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@chucksandy I love @cerirhiannon's lesson http://bit.ly/gSudy4 as a prompt for SS #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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2:58 PM
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RT @englishraven: If you've liked this #ELTChat about Dogme/Unplugged, I have a whole section of my blog devoted to it! http://bit.ly/bOEGC4
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nutrich
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2:58 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Can i also suggest reading Diarmuid's post and ensuing discussion? http://bit.ly/eiXxrE "Questions that Dog me" #ELTchat
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hakan_sentrk
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2:58 PM
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@Shaunwilden Dogme can make teachers aware of good teaching methods in books and make them more selective in textbook practices #eltchat
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esolcourses
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2:58 PM
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RT @Harmerj @danhummsoriano ur 100% right of course. Many c'book lessons miss target completely - but not ALL. Same with teachers!! #eltchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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2:58 PM
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RT @chucksandy: RT @englishraven: Wandrous Whiteboard http://bit.ly/eV5L8Y Thanks!! ^^ #eltchat
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hartle
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2:58 PM
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@Harmerj But (speaking as a Celta trainer) teachers have to learn to plan and then start seeing the learners #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:58 PM
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Can i also suggest reading Diarmuid's post and ensuing discussion? http://bit.ly/eiXxrE "Questions that Dog me" #ELTchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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2:58 PM
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RT@Shaunwilden @hakan_sentrk Agreed but dont you think these teachers also prefer to stick to a book as it's "less hassle" >> AHA! #eltchat
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BethCagnol
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2:58 PM
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@LukeMeddings @harmerj Look forward to reading the summary later. #ELTChat
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Harmerj
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2:58 PM
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@Shaunwilden totally agree Shaun. Good observers recgonise 'magic moments' - the great take-off moment! #eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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2:58 PM
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@OUPELTGlobal St benefits:motivation,relevance,immediate feedback on the language they have,bridges to the language they don't #eltchat
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nutrich
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2:58 PM
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@danhummsoriano at the iatefl symposium Candi Van Olst described it as 'simple, but not easy' #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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2:58 PM
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@Shaunwilden @hakan_sentrk Sticking to a book is more hassle for me! #eltchat
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AnnaMusielak
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2:59 PM
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@teacherdude I totally agree with that - no trained tchrs just coursebooks #eltchat
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sandymillin
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2:59 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: @hakan_sentrk @Harmerj But then how do we make less 'good' teachers more unplugged? Which surely needs to happen #eltchat
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JoshSRound
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2:59 PM
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RT @danhummsoriano: #eltchat the biggest benefit for students is having their needs addressed immediately and all langauge being immediately relevant
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web20education
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2:59 PM
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#Giotto is the full flash #animation20 making application. #edtech20 #edtools | @scoopit http://t.co/MKa21Bz #edchat #eltchat #efl #elt #edu
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gknightbkk
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2:59 PM
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Tim Murphey points out Einstein failed French. He treats every EN S as a potential Einstein and finds out what their interests are #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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2:59 PM
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RT @teacherdude: Problem in many parts of world, CBs used instead of properly trained teachers. Lang learning as McJob philosophy #eltchat
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Harmerj
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2:59 PM
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@danhummsoriano that's too easy!! Getting students to engage with text (or any kind) isn't dogme! It's critical thinking, normal! #eltchat
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chucksandy
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2:59 PM
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RT @sandymillin: " I love @cerirhiannons lesson http://bit.ly/gSudy4 as a prompt for SS" thanks for that! ^^ #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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2:59 PM
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@nutrich @danhummsoriano She also said you can't have a learner-centred classroom if it isn't a dogme classroom #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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2:59 PM
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RT @bamarcia: RT @Marisa_C The nice thing about the term 'unplugged' is that it also allows teaching which is 'plugged in"! #ELTchat > Agree! ;)
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hartle
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2:59 PM
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RT @englishraven: If you've liked this #ELTChat about Dogme/Unplugged, I have a whole section of my blog devoted to it! http://bit.ly/bOEGC4
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nutrich
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2:59 PM
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RT @teacherdude: Problem is that many parts of world, course books are used instead of properly trained teachers. Lang learning as McJob philosophy #eltchat
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yitzha_sarwono
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2:59 PM
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RT @englishraven: If you've liked this #ELTChat about Dogme/Unplugged, I have a whole section of my blog devoted to it! http://bit.ly/bOEGC4
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bamarcia
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2:59 PM
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RT @Marisa_C The nice thing about the term 'unplugged' is that it also allows teaching which is 'plugged in"! #ELTchat > Agree! ;)
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cioccas
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2:59 PM
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RT @LukeMeddings: ... St benefits:motivation,relevance,immediate feedback on language they have,bridges to the language they don't #eltchat
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teacherdude
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2:59 PM
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Problem is that many parts of world, course books are used instead of properly trained teachers. Lang learning as McJob philosophy #eltchat
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danhummsoriano
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2:59 PM
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#eltchat the biggest benefit for students is having their needs addressed immediately and all langauge being immediately relevant
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yitzha_sarwono
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3:00 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Can i also suggest reading Diarmuid's post and ensuing discussion? http://bit.ly/eiXxrE "Questions that Dog me" #ELTchat
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cossie29
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3:00 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Can i also suggest reading Diarmuid's post and ensuing discussion? http://bit.ly/eiXxrE "Questions that Dog me" #ELTchat
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AnnaMusielak
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3:00 PM
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RT @danhummsoriano the biggest benefit for students is having their needs addressed immediately&all lg being immediately relevant #eltchat
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ddeubel
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3:00 PM
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RT @OUPELTGlobal: the most important aspect of learning/teaching is the relationship between teacher and sts. all else helps or shouldn't be there #eltchat
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Harmerj
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3:00 PM
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@hartle love yourpoint about getting trainees to see plan vs execution thing properly. Yes, necessary! #eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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3:00 PM
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@danhummsoriano Snap! #eltchat
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sandymillin
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3:00 PM
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RT @hakan_sentrk: @harrisonmike Good coursebook writer should know what student and teachers need. #eltchat <but all SS need diff. things
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danhummsoriano
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3:00 PM
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@Harmerj but what makes those lessons hit? The teacher adapting a book to a class i.e. Dogme working on emerging needs #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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3:00 PM
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RT @hakan_sentrk: @Shaunwilden Dogme can make teachers aware of good teaching methods in books and make them more selective in textbook practices #eltchat
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sandymillin
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3:01 PM
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RT @englishraven: If you've liked this #ELTChat about Dogme/Unplugged, I have a whole section of my blog devoted to it! http://bit.ly/bOEGC4
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englishraven
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3:01 PM
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Phew... Anyone feel like they were chasing after a train??? #ELTChat
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danhummsoriano
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3:01 PM
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@Marisa_C @teacherdude totally agree so we show a teacher how to deal with emrging language in a plan as tree diagram i #eltchat
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hartle
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3:01 PM
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@bamarcia yes I agree #ELTChat
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hakan_sentrk
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3:01 PM
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@sandymillin learner differences can only be taken into consideration to a certain extent #eltchat
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sandymillin
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3:01 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Before this chat breaks up I need to ask if any of you would like to write this summary??? #ELTchat
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chucksandy
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3:01 PM
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RT @AnnaMusielak: @teacherdude or no trained teachers and no course books either. Just a big messy gov't produced syllabus #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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3:02 PM
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@LukeMeddings I know... it was just a silly figure of speech Luke :-) #eltchat
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OUPELTGlobal
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3:02 PM
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In the dogme discussion we spend too much time talking about difficulties for the teacher... tweet courtesy of @theteacherjames #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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3:02 PM
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#eltchat @englishraven yes!
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mattledding
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3:02 PM
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@gknightbkk agree. Think if you treat students as if they have a brain, it magically causes them to have one. Dogme gd 4 that. #eltchat
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StevenHerder
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3:02 PM
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RT @englishraven: Phew... Anyone feel like they were chasing after a train??? #ELTChat YUP
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harrisonmike
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3:02 PM
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RT @cossie29: RT @Marisa_C: Can i also suggest reading Diarmuid's post &ensuing discssn? http://bit.ly/eiXxrE "Qs that Dog me" #ELTchat
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OUPELTGlobal
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3:02 PM
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Great discussion everyone. Loved it as usual and will run over it again in my head during lunch - can't help it #eltchat
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yearinthelifeof
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3:02 PM
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@theteacherjames I recommend 'F**kland, BTW #ELTchat
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LukeMeddings
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3:02 PM
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@bamarcia @Marisa_C Unplugging less to do with electricity,more to do with power-the system,syllabus,received notions of learning! #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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3:02 PM
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@danhummsoriano Tree diagram is a great idea - have a look at my trainee's diagram here http://bit.ly/fzZK5y #eltchat
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mbarratt1
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3:02 PM
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Wanna trial some new #language software which allows speaking practise sign up for 3 month trial http://svy.mk/dRY0ru #eltchat #esl #esol
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Lindsay_Warwick
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3:02 PM
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@hartle Wonder how many CELTA courses tell trainees what 2 teach rather than analyse needs and plan lessons to address them. #eltchat
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cioccas
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3:02 PM
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Yet another #ELTchat that lasts muuch longer than 1 hour in all the reading I have to follow up on afterwards! Thanks for all the links.
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mmgrinberg
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3:02 PM
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Are dogmetic activities _always_ relevant to ss' experience? Are they _that_ flexible? #eltchat
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cioccas
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3:02 PM
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Gotta go, thanks for the fast and furious chat all #ELTChat
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LukeMeddings
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3:03 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: @chucksandy Have a great class Chuck and see you soon:-) #eltchat
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mmgrinberg
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3:03 PM
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Thanks for a great chat everyone! #eltchat
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hartle
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3:03 PM
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@harrisonmike so that means all learner centred teaching is Dogme? Or no materials centred classroom caters for learners?? #ELTChat
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cioccas
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3:03 PM
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... and thanks to our wonderful moderators: @Shaunwilden @englishraven @Marisa_C #ELTchat
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AnnaMusielak
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3:03 PM
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RT @BrunoELT #eltchat materials-light is the thing I admire in dogme second that
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danhummsoriano
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3:03 PM
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RT @Marisa_C Tree diagram is a great idea - have a look at my trainee's diagram here http://bit.ly/fzZK5y #eltchat - really useful diagram!
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pjgallantry
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3:03 PM
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#eltchat @englishraven however, a train of the ENTIRE group's devising and relevant to our needs ;)
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ShellTerrell
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3:03 PM
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Just got here! Sorry to miss this "dogme" #ELTChat but will catch up with the transcript & catch the later chat for sure
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Marisa_C
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3:03 PM
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@chucksandy Have a great class Chuck and see you soon:-) #eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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3:03 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: @danhummsoriano Tree diagram is a great idea - have a look at my trainee's diagram here http://bit.ly/fzZK5y #eltchat
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chucksandy
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3:03 PM
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gotta run too to think thru my naked but ready morning class ^^ Thanks for a great chat everyone #eltchat
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hartle
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3:03 PM
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@cioccas so, for instance you start a lesson, then learners need to go in a different direction and you do micro teaching and add #ELTChat
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Lindsay_Warwick
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3:03 PM
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Usually teaching at this time so really good to be able to participate in an #eltchat finally! Thanks all.
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chucksandy
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3:04 PM
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RT @Marisa_C @lukemeddings thanks Marisa & Luke. Have a great day ahead! #eltchat
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pjgallantry
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3:04 PM
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#eltchat right, lesson time: I'm going to take this chat into class and see if ss can make head or tail of it :D
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sandymillin
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3:04 PM
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RT @mattledding: @gknightbkk agree. Think if you treat students as if they have a brain, it magically causes them to have one. Dogme gd 4 that. #eltchat
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mattledding
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3:04 PM
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RT @danhummsoriano: @Harmerj but what makes those lessons hit? The teacher adapting a book to a class i.e. Dogme working on emerging needs #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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3:04 PM
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RT @englishraven: Phew... Anyone feel like they were chasing after a train??? #ELTChat That was certainly a fast and furious one!
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ShellTerrell
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3:04 PM
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RT @sandymillin: Can you use Durham Cathedral for #dogme? http://bit.ly/goRd15 Your ideas pls! #eltchat #elt #efl #esl #tefl #tesol
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OUPELTGlobal
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3:04 PM
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RT @mmgrinberg: RT @cioccas: ... and thanks to our wonderful moderators: @Shaunwilden @englishraven @Marisa_C #ELTchat #eltchat
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sandymillin
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3:04 PM
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Can you use Durham Cathedral for #dogme? http://bit.ly/goRd15 Your ideas pls! #eltchat #elt #efl #esl #tefl #tesol
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Marisa_C
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3:04 PM
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@danhummsoriano I know.. am thinking of creating one as a template for lesson possibilities #eltchat
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OUPELTGlobal
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3:04 PM
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@LukeMeddings Thank @theteacherjames for that little gem. Meant to credit him but forgot #eltchat
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mmgrinberg
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3:04 PM
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RT @cioccas: ... and thanks to our wonderful moderators: @Shaunwilden @englishraven @Marisa_C #ELTchat
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Tanagornsu
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3:04 PM
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RT @OUPELTGlobal: the most important aspect of learning/teaching is the relationship between teacher and sts. all else helps or shouldn't be there #eltchat
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CeciELT
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3:05 PM
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RT @esolcourses: RT @Harmerj @danhummsoriano ur 100% right of course. Many c'book lessons miss target completely - but not ALL. Same with teachers!! #eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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3:05 PM
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@BrunoELT 105 tweets per minute! RT @englishraven: Phew... Anyone feel they were chasing a train??? #eltchat More like chased by a train!
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englishraven
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3:05 PM
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@Shaunwilden Can't help thinking... what is it about Dogme that gets people so animated? Where there's smoke there's fire? #ELTChat
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Shaunwilden
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3:05 PM
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RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat right, lesson time: I'm going to take this chat into class and see if ss can make he… (cont) http://deck.ly/~ixv8e
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danhummsoriano
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3:05 PM
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RT @mattledding: @gknightbkk agree. Think if you treat students as if they have a brain, it magically causes them to have one. Dogme gd 4 that. #eltchat
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AnnaMusielak
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3:05 PM
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tchrs have2learn how2be flexible not just stick2the plan - as sb in Brighton said - it may be unprepared but it's not unplanned:) #ELTCHAT
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JoshSRound
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3:05 PM
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RT @cioccas: ... and thanks to our wonderful moderators: @Shaunwilden @englishraven @Marisa_C #ELTchat Thanks everyone, v stimulating again!
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hakan_sentrk
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3:05 PM
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@Shaunwilden chasing after a train is the expression. totally agree!! :) #ELTChat
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Shaunwilden
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3:06 PM
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@LukeMeddings Thanks for joining in Luke #eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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3:06 PM
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RT @JoshSRound: RT @cioccas: ... and thanks to our wonderful moderators: @Shaunwilden @englishraven @Marisa_C #ELTchat Thanks everyone, v stimulating again!
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CeciELT
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3:06 PM
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RT @englishraven Phew... Anyone feel like they were chasing after a train??? #ELTChat > Still am apparently!
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Shaunwilden
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3:06 PM
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@englishraven I was sat here thinking the same, the mention of the word really does stir people up doesn't it #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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3:06 PM
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@danhummsoriano I wish it were - even the source - @lukeMeddings - said so in so many words :-D #ELTchat
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AnnaMusielak
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3:06 PM
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Was here just for the end but it seemed intense;) #ELTCHAT
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esolcourses
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3:06 PM
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RT @JoshSRound RT @cioccas thanks to our wonderful moderators: @Shaunwilden @englishraven @Marisa_C #ELTchat Thanks everyone, v stimulating!
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hartle
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3:06 PM
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@Lindsay_Warwick most Celta courses are too concerned with getting the grades... perhaps #ELTChat
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LukeMeddings
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3:06 PM
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RT @mattledding: @gknightbkk agree. Think if you treat students as if they have a brain, it magically causes them to have one. Dogme gd 4 that. #eltchat
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esolcourses
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3:07 PM
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Some Dogme musings from last year http://bit.ly/cBEvmX in response to @kalinagoenglish's #dogmeme challenge http://bit.ly/aTBOPv #eltchat
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JoshSRound
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3:07 PM
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RT @Shaunwilden: @LukeMeddings Thanks for joining in Luke #eltchat Yes! Great to have instant input from @LukeMeddings
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LukeMeddings
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3:07 PM
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@Shaunwilden My pleasure Shaun #eltchat
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CeciELT
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3:07 PM
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RT @cioccas: ... and thanks to our wonderful moderators: @Shaunwilden @englishraven @Marisa_C #ELTchat
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hakan_sentrk
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3:07 PM
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Does Lars von Trier know that Dogme in teaching is such a debated concept? #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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3:07 PM
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@hakan_sentrk Well despite the train I hope you enjoyed joining in :-) #eltchat
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hartle
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3:07 PM
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Sorry have to go... but thanks this was my first ELTchat and it was great! #ELTChat
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harrisonmike
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3:07 PM
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Great stuffs! They are fab =) RT @cioccas: ... and thanks to our wonderful moderators: @Shaunwilden @englishraven @Marisa_C #ELTchat
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Harmerj
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3:07 PM
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Thanks to all for the #eltchat. Never meant to get involved (again!) but planning a new talk on tu issues so couldn't resist!!
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mattledding
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3:07 PM
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Wow. What a great #eltchat. That hour flew by...
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theteacherjames
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3:08 PM
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RT @harrisonmike: Great stuffs! They are fab =) RT @cioccas: ... and thanks to our wonderful moderators: @Shaunwilden @englishraven @Marisa_C #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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3:08 PM
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Thank you all for joining in - special thanks to @LukeMedding & to my co-moderators @Shaunwilden & @englishraven #ELTchat
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LukeMeddings
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3:08 PM
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@Harmerj Jeremy!You wouldn't let it lie!Good luck w new talk #eltchat
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hakan_sentrk
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3:08 PM
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@Shaunwilden sure do. Always a pleasure to dive into totally organized chaos!!! #eltchat
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englishraven
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3:08 PM
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RT @esolcourses: Some Dogme musings from last year http://bit.ly/cBEvmX in response to @kalinagoenglish's #dogmeme challenge http://bit.ly/aTBOPv #eltchat
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esolcourses
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3:08 PM
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RT @JoshSRound: RT @Shaunwilden: @LukeMeddings Thanks for joining in Luke #eltchat Yes! Great to have instant input from @LukeMeddings
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Shaunwilden
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3:08 PM
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@Harmerj Thanks for joining in us, hope it helped the talk :-) #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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3:09 PM
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RT @danhummsoriano: #eltchat well done everyone! A great ELTChat. Dogme always gets the ideas going and isn't that the point?!
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CeciELT
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3:09 PM
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RT @esolcourses: Some Dogme musings from last year http://bit.ly/cBEvmX in response to @kalinagoenglish's #dogmeme challenge http://bit.ly/aTBOPv #eltchat
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CeciELT
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3:09 PM
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Thanks everyone... will read transcript later. All I can say is that #eltchat definitely woke me up faster than any coffee. ;-)
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englishraven
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3:09 PM
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@LukeMeddings Always good to watch you sprinting away in front of those trains, Luke (as in, always staying ahead...)! #ELTChat
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web20education
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3:09 PM
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#earthquakes #animation20 # http://awe.sm/5Idmu #edchat #eltchat #elemchat #lrnchat #education #cpchat #efl #elt #ntchat
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danhummsoriano
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3:09 PM
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#eltchat well done everyone! A great ELTChat. Dogme always gets the ideas going and isn't that the point?!
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Harmerj
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3:09 PM
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@LukeMeddings You did great in there!! So much to talk about, so much to probe and question #eltchat
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theteacherjames
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3:09 PM
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RT @JoshSRound: RT @Shaunwilden: @LukeMeddings Thanks for joining in Luke #eltchat Yes! Great to have instant input from @LukeMeddings
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hakan_sentrk
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3:10 PM
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thanks for a great chat everybody #ELTChat
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Marisa_C
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3:10 PM
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@Harmerj Thank you for joining and making the conversation go wild... :-) #eltchat
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Harmerj
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3:10 PM
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@Shaunwilden thx to you and @Marisa_C and @englishraven for #eltchat
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LukeMeddings
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3:11 PM
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RT @hakan_sentrk: thanks for a great chat everybody #ELTChat
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teacherdude
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3:11 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Can i also suggest reading Diarmuid's post and ensuing discussion? http://bit.ly/eiXxrE "Questions that Dog me" #ELTchat
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englishraven
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3:11 PM
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Last shout here... Hope you'll help me out for my plenary talk next month: road ahead for ELT materials? http://bit.ly/e6iTkP #ELTChat
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teacherdude
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3:11 PM
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RT @englishraven: If you've liked this #ELTChat about Dogme/Unplugged, I have a whole section of my blog devoted to it! http://bit.ly/bOEGC4
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Shaunwilden
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3:11 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Summary anyone? We have a position to offer to the first bidder #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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3:11 PM
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Summary anyone? We have a position to offer to the first bidder #ELTchat
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theteacherjames
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3:11 PM
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#eltchat Phew, that one was a cracker! Lunch, then it'll be time to go back and check those links.
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sandymillin
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3:12 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Summary writers get THOUSANDS of visitors checking out their fabulous blogs... #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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3:12 PM
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Summary writers get THOUSANDS of visitors checking out their fabulous blogs... #ELTchat
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danhummsoriano
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3:12 PM
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RT @englishraven: Last shout here... Hope you'll help me out for my plenary talk next month: road ahead for ELT materials? http://bit.ly/e6iTkP #ELTChat
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CeciELT
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3:13 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Summary anyone? We have a position to offer to the first bidder #ELTchat
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CeciELT
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3:13 PM
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RT @englishraven: Last shout here... Hope you'll help me out for my plenary talk next month: road ahead for ELT materials? http://bit.ly/e6iTkP #ELTChat
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CeciELT
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3:13 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Summary writers get THOUSANDS of visitors checking out their fabulous blogs... #ELTchat
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StudyingOnline
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3:13 PM
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RT @englishraven: Last shout here... Hope you'll help me out for my plenary talk next month: road ahead for ELT materials? http://bit.ly/e6iTkP #ELTChat
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theteacherjames
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3:14 PM
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@Marisa_C Go on then, I suppose it's my turn! I'll do it. #eltchat
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angelofmel
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3:14 PM
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Enjoying #eltchat and now wondering if I can quote @Harmerj and @LukeMeddings 's tweets in my dissertation lit review??!!
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ELTchat
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3:14 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Summary anyone? We have a position to offer to the first bidder #ELTchat
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ELTchat
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3:14 PM
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RT @sandymillin: Summary writers get THOUSANDS of visitors checking out their fabulous blogs... #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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3:15 PM
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@theteacherjames Might #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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3:15 PM
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@theteacherjames dear James - if u do it I might even forgive you for winning at Scrabble in Brighton :-D #eltchat
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englishraven
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3:15 PM
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RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C Go on then, I suppose it's my turn! I'll do it. #eltchat > Good man!
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englishraven
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3:15 PM
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@Harmerj Thanks for popping in, JH. #ELTChat
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yitzha_sarwono
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3:16 PM
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@englishraven @Harmerj @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @sandymillin @ciocas thanks for the great #eltchat! I had fun! ^^
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OUPELTGlobal
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3:16 PM
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Another great #ELTchat! It's good to be back. Thanks to @Shaunwilden @englishraven and @Marisa_C for moderating
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worldteacher
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3:18 PM
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#eltchat Thanks to everyone for the chat & the great links - only sorry that my dodgy internet connection means I can't keep up properly!
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theteacherjames
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3:18 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat You'll never take that away from me!! Instructions are on the facebook page, right?
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mattledding
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3:21 PM
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Great to have both @jharmer and @lukemeddings on #eltchat today. Looking forward to transcript.
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Marisa_C
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3:21 PM
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@theteacherjames yes - there is a sort of a template but feel free to organise it differently if it doesn't suit #eltchat
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bamarcia
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3:22 PM
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Thanks 2 gr8 #eltchat moderators @Marisa_C @englishraven @Shaunwilden + @LukeMeddings @Harmerj @chucksandy @sandymillin @theteacherjames ...
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Marisa_C
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3:26 PM
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@theteacherjames watch out for link to transcript - will dm u 2 just in case #eltchat
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ShellTerrell
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3:29 PM
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RT @mattledding: Great to have both @jharmer and @lukemeddings on #eltchat today. Looking forward to transcript.
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