12:01 pm
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englishraven:
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Let's talk about learner training. What does that mean to you? #ELTChat
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12:01 pm
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cherrymp:
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#ELTChat so all set ready to discuss learner training rt? btw hi from #myanmar
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12:01 pm
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barbsaka:
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@cherrymp Welcome! #eltchat
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12:01 pm
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englishraven:
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I like @chiasuan 's example: Give Learners a task, record them talking, get them to transcribe their chat and self-correct. #ELTchat
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12:01 pm
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cherrymp:
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#ELTChat learner training - training d learner to learn
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12:01 pm
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JoshSRound:
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RT @efl101: So what do we mean by learner training exactly? #eltchat Giving ss the awareness and skills to become better learners
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12:02 pm
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englishraven:
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RT @JoshSRound: RT @efl101: So what do we mean by learner training exactly? #eltchat Giving ss the awareness and skills to become better learners
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12:02 pm
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EclipsingX:
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@efl101 a tricky one!!! where is the line between learner training and learner autonomy? #ELTCHAT
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12:02 pm
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barbsaka:
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#eltchat This would be training to help learners learn how to learn "better" and become autonomous I think
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12:02 pm
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englishraven:
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@JoshSRound I like your definition! #ELTChat
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12:02 pm
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cherrymp:
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#ELTChat metalearning
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12:02 pm
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AnneSinclair1:
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#eltchat Hi, can't stay long unfortunately: learning strategies
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12:02 pm
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barbsaka:
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@EclipsingX I think autonomy is the goal, learner training is the road to get there #eltchat
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12:03 pm
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BrunoELT:
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#eltchat it seems that autonomy has been taking a strange path. Learners are ironically being forced to be autonomous. What should be done?
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12:03 pm
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englishraven:
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@EclipsingX I think they could be fairly said to feed each other, yes? (learner training and autonomy) #ELTChat
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12:03 pm
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cherrymp:
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RT @barbsaka: @EclipsingX I think autonomy is the goal, learner training is the road to get there #eltchat - yeah i agree
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12:03 pm
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cintiastella:
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This clarifies things for me! RT @barbsaka: @EclipsingX I think autonomy is the goal, learner training is the road to get there #eltchat
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12:03 pm
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efl101:
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so that would be how to learn vocab, noticing strategies, coping strategies, active reading and listening skills etc.? #eltchat
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12:03 pm
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cherrymp:
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RT @englishraven: @EclipsingX I think they could be fairly said to feed each other, yes? (learner training and autonomy) #ELTChat mm true
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12:03 pm
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englishraven:
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RT @cintiastella: This clarifies things for me! RT @barbsaka: @EclipsingX I think autonomy is the goal, learner training is the road to get there #eltchat
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12:03 pm
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JoshSRound:
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RT @efl101: so that would be how to learn vocab, noticing strategies, coping strategies, active reading and listening skills etc.? #eltchat
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12:03 pm
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AnneSinclair1:
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agree with barbara #eltchat
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12:03 pm
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NikkiFortova:
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I see learner training as helping the learners with the strategies they need to maximize their learning. #eltchat
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12:03 pm
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englishraven:
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RT @efl101: so that would be how to learn vocab, noticing strategies, coping strategies, active reading and listening skills etc.? #eltchat
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12:04 pm
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barbsaka:
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@BrunoELT What do you mean, forced to be autonomous? #eltchat
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12:04 pm
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cherrymp:
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RT @efl101: so that would be how to learn vocab, noticing strategies, coping strategies, active reading and listening skills etc.? #eltchat
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12:04 pm
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englishraven:
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RT @NikkiFortova: I see learner training as helping the learners with the strategies they need to maximize their learning. #eltchat
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12:04 pm
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barbsaka:
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Yes RT @efl101: how to learn vocab, noticing strategies, coping strategies, active reading and listening skills etc.? #eltchat
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12:05 pm
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englishraven:
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So, do you have favourite strategies to teach your students? #ELTChat
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12:05 pm
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theteacherjames:
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RT @barbsaka: @EclipsingX I think autonomy is the goal, learner training is the road to get there #eltchat
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12:05 pm
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efl101:
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@barbsaka succinct reply, thanks! ;-) #eltchat
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12:05 pm
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cintiastella:
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So does learner training mean helping Ss to become more responsible for their learning process? #ELTChat
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12:05 pm
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dreadnought001:
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#eltchat I see it as giving them some basic skills (dictionary training, using internet etc) to expand learning outside the classroom
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12:05 pm
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barbsaka:
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@efl101 :-) #eltchat
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12:05 pm
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BrunoELT:
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@barbsaka the use of the word sometimes do not help. Autonomy is sth we shld help sts to be not force them into #ELTchat
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12:06 pm
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Educo11:
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RT @englishraven: So, do you have favourite strategies to teach your students? #ELTChat
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12:06 pm
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cherrymp:
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#ELTChat generally students depend lot on teachers to learn whereas thru learner training we're helping the? (cont) http://deck.ly/~y24qs
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12:06 pm
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barbsaka:
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@CintiaStella In part, yes (become responsible for their learning process) #eltchat
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12:06 pm
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efl101:
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How much time do you dedicate to developing learner tarining as opposed to lang. taching and do you do it in L1 or L2? #eltchat
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12:06 pm
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EclipsingX:
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@barbsaka nice. How do you know when they have got there or where they are? Do we check? If we check how do we do this?#ELTCHAT
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12:06 pm
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Marisa_C:
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Hello everyone - sorry am a little late - will try to catch up! #ELTchat
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12:06 pm
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cherrymp:
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RT @efl101: How much time do you dedicate to developing learner tarining as opposed to lang. taching and do you do it in L1 or L2? #eltchat
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12:06 pm
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Marisa_C:
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RT @efl101: How much time do you dedicate to developing learner tarining as opposed to lang. taching and do you do it in L1 or L2? #eltchat
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12:06 pm
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BobK99:
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OK. Autonomy is the goal. Training is how to reach it. #ELTchat But how do we initiate the process?
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12:06 pm
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barbsaka:
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Good Q! RT @EclipsingX: How do you know when they have got there or where they are? Do we check? If we check how do we do this?#ELTCHAT
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12:07 pm
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Marisa_C:
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@efl101 I'm learner training all the time #eltchat
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12:07 pm
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cherrymp:
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@efl101 nice qn - depends on ur students i guess #ELTChat once the training is done i don't think u need to spend more time on dat
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12:07 pm
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JoshSRound:
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How best 2 approach it may depend on type of course. Here (rolling enrolment) I ask Ts 2 use regular moments of reflection in class #eltchat
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12:07 pm
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theteacherjames:
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#eltchat I'm sure it's easier with adults, it's ultimately their responsibility after all.
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12:07 pm
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efl101:
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RT @JoshSRound: How best 2 approach it may depend on type of course. Here (rolling enrolment) I ask Ts 2 use regular moments of reflection in class #eltchat
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12:07 pm
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dreadnought001:
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#eltchat ultimately we can't force them to be autonomous, but we can show them the options available if they want to be
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12:07 pm
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theteacherjames:
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#eltchat Make sure the Sts understand the role of the teacher and their role from the outset.
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12:07 pm
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cherrymp:
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@theteacherjames mmm - true #ELTChat bt all adults may not b thinking that way
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12:08 pm
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Marisa_C:
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Learner training a built-in component of the process-oriented teacher #ELTchat - but need to define areas requiring LTraining
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12:08 pm
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cherrymp:
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RT @dreadnought001: #eltchat ultimately we can't force them to be autonomous, but we can show them the options available if they want to be
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12:08 pm
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cherrymp:
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RT @Marisa_C: Learner training a built-in component of the process-oriented teacher #ELTchat - but need to define areas requiring LTraining
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12:08 pm
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theteacherjames:
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#eltchat Training and examples are absolutely necessary!
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12:08 pm
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efl101:
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@JoshSRound regular reflection is good - time to look back over what they've done and organise/expand and experiment with lexis etc #eltchat
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12:08 pm
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cintiastella:
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A way to start could be to help Ss to become aware that they come to learn rather than to be taught #ELTChat
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12:08 pm
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cherrymp:
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@Marisa_C does that mean there's a product-oriented teacher too - nice thought #ELTChat
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12:09 pm
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barbsaka:
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I think modeling how to learn/guess/listen is part of every lesson, not a separate lesson time #eltchat
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12:09 pm
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theteacherjames:
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RT @Marisa_C: @efl101 I'm learner training all the time #eltchat
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12:09 pm
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EclipsingX:
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@efl101 I try to give opportunities for experimentation-particularly self study L1 or whichever L they are studying is fine for me.)#ELTCHAT
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12:09 pm
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englishraven:
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One I used in an ESL context was, use phone to record real conversations around you, transcribe, 'vanish' it http://bit.ly/eioLQt #ELTChat
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12:09 pm
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cherrymp:
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#ELTChat teachers can be make students think how well they've learned each time using different methods
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12:09 pm
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BrunoELT:
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@barbsaka I'm more concerned with the label. Sts have been put into this new reality without really understanding its concept #ELTchat
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12:10 pm
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JoshSRound:
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@efl101 absolutely, and to consider how & why skills tasks are approached/handled #eltchat
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12:10 pm
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Marisa_C:
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@cherrymp There is indeed. Example: ProductT - Readi & answer Qs Process: Read for gist; so how will u read? etc #ELTChat
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12:10 pm
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cherrymp:
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RT @barbsaka: I think modeling how to learn/guess/listen is part of every lesson, not a separate lesson time #eltchat - true
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12:10 pm
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Marisa_C:
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RT @cherrymp: RT @barbsaka: I think modeling how to learn/guess/listen is part of every lesson, not a separate lesson time #eltchat >agree
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12:10 pm
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barbsaka:
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@BrunoELT Not a fan of labels/jargon/acronyms anyway. Not very helpful, are they? #eltchat
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12:10 pm
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theteacherjames:
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@AnneSinclair1 #eltchat They might expect to be spoonfed, but that doesn't mean I'm going to do it. Sorry, left my spoon at home!
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12:10 pm
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AnneSinclair1:
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RT @cherrymp: RT @barbsaka: I think modeling how to learn/guess/listen is part of every lesson, not a separate lesson time #eltchat - true
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12:10 pm
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EclipsingX:
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@marisa_c #ELTCHAT which areas would you define? Would it be same for all contexts? I have 1st time uni sts so LT is quite different
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12:10 pm
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englishraven:
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@BrunoELT That's a good point. Many learners are actually quite baffled by or even resistant to the notion of 'learner training' #ELTChat
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12:11 pm
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uscedu67:
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RT @Marisa_C: RT @cherrymp: RT @barbsaka: I think modeling how to learn/guess/listen is part of every lesson, not a separate lesson time #eltchat >agree
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12:11 pm
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cherrymp:
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@theteacherjames bt in sme cul contexts dis can b scary for d students #ELTChat
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12:11 pm
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englishraven:
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@betsydrager So, do you train your students in ways to do this on their own? Or for particular skills? #ELTChat
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12:11 pm
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efl101:
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Do u teach specific learning skills with vocab ie lists, flash cards, mind-maps, recordings and teach how to use them effectively? #eltchat
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12:11 pm
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Marisa_C:
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@EclipsingX so in ur case study skills: how to take notes, make a mindmap, draft outline of paper etc #ELTCHAT
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12:12 pm
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theteacherjames:
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@dreadnought001 #eltchat In my experience most adults are intelligent enough to know what their responsibilities are. @AnneSinclair1
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12:12 pm
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JoshSRound:
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@englishraven @BrunoELT alot of it is awareness-raising, incl telling ss why you are doing it #eltchat
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12:12 pm
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cherrymp:
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@Marisa_C #ELTChat i see - interesting - so process oriented approaches try to bring out the ways in which product is achieved rt?
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12:12 pm
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barbsaka:
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I don't actually call it "learner training" bcuz many students expect "teacher teaching." It's just the way I teach #eltchat
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12:12 pm
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dreadnought001:
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#eltchat how much time do teachers spend on things like dictionary training? I do a little but not as much as I should.
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12:12 pm
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AnneSinclair1:
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#eltchat@theteacherjames lol!
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12:12 pm
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worldteacher:
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I usually devote time at the start of every course to learner training & then give them gentle reminders of the strategies later #eltchat
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12:12 pm
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Marisa_C:
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@cherrymp Correct :-) #ELTChat
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12:12 pm
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englishraven:
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@barbsaka Yes, often better just to blend it in or make it a natural part of your overall teaching approach. #ELTChat
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12:12 pm
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theteacherjames:
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@cherrymp #eltchat I believe we can create autonomous learners without them even realising - it's all in the training.
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12:13 pm
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Marisa_C:
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RT @worldteacher: I usually devote time at the start of every course to LTraining & then give gentle reminders ofstrategies later #eltchat
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12:13 pm
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AnneSinclair1:
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@theteacherjames #eltchat yes, MOST!
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12:13 pm
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efl101:
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@dreadnought001 much less with advent of smart phones etc. coz its all laid out for them #eltchat
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12:13 pm
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cherrymp:
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#ELTChat LT can be a reg part of e'day lessons - reflecting on how well dey've learned and wt more can b done
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12:13 pm
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JoshSRound:
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Agree RT @englishraven: @barbsaka Yes, often better just 2 blend it in or make it a natural part of your overall teaching approach. #ELTChat
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12:13 pm
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englishraven:
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Creating noticing and discovery opportunities and then being willing to sit back and wait - often nurtures learner training. #ELTChat
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12:13 pm
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barbsaka:
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@dreadnought001 I try to encourage my students to use me and each other b4 dictionary, so they practice "what does __ mean?" #eltchat
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12:14 pm
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englishraven:
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RT @cherrymp: #ELTChat LT can be a reg part of e'day lessons - reflecting on how well dey've learned and wt more can b done
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12:14 pm
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annabooklover:
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RT @dreadnought001 #eltchat how much time do ts spend on things like dictionary training? I do a little but not as much as I should || me 2
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12:14 pm
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cherrymp:
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RT @englishraven: Creating noticing and discovery opportunities and then being willing to sit back and wait - often nurtures learner training. #ELTChat
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12:14 pm
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cintiastella:
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RT @englishraven: Creating noticing and discovery opportunities and then being willing to sit back and wait - often nurtures learner training. #ELTChat
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12:14 pm
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Marisa_C:
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I also believe that it's a good idea to look at Good Learner studies and familiarise Ss with good learner traits #ELTchat
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12:14 pm
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dreadnought001:
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@efl101 #eltchat good point, but I'm still not sure they are actually using them as well as they could (taking out the right info etc)
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12:14 pm
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barbsaka:
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agree @cherrymp #eltchat I believe we can create autonomous learners without them even realising - it's all in the training.
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12:14 pm
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englishraven:
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@cherrymp That's a good point, making learner training more about reflection after the fact. #ELTChat
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12:14 pm
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EclipsingX:
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@marisa_c and how to study autonimously without a parent or a cram school telling you exactly what to do! How st./t roles are diff. #ELTCHAT
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12:14 pm
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annabooklover:
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RT @efl101: Do u teach specific learning skills with vocab ie lists, flash cards, mind-maps, recordings and teach how to use them effectively? #eltchat
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12:14 pm
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Marisa_C:
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So...training to be good language learners #ELTchat
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12:14 pm
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Mario_Lindberg:
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@Marisa_C @worldteacher Reminders during the lessons later is really effective - #eltchat
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12:14 pm
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AnneSinclair1:
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RT @worldteacher: I usually devote time at the start of every course to LTraining & then give gentle reminders of strategies later #eltchat
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12:14 pm
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theteacherjames:
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@BrunoELT #eltchat I don't see why we need to label it. It can just be part of the general syllabus.
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12:14 pm
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barbsaka:
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Yes! RT @theteacherjames: #eltchat I believe we can create autonomous learners without them even realising - it's all in the training.
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12:14 pm
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efl101:
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I think it is worth taking time to teach lang study skills at start of course - many sts have been away from study for some time #eltchat
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12:15 pm
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dreadnought001:
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@Marisa_C #eltchat yes, agree, showing them egs of good student practice can be helpful
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12:15 pm
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BobK99:
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Is there any point in compulsory (school-time) reflection sessions? #ELTchat
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12:15 pm
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barbsaka:
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Yes! RT @Marisa_C: I also believe that it's a good idea to look at Good Learner studies and familiarise Ss with good learner traits #ELTchat
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12:15 pm
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cherrymp:
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#ELTChat not only learning language any learning i think
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12:15 pm
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AnneSinclair1:
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so what language study skills do you teach? #eltchat
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12:15 pm
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efl101:
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@dreadnought001 that would be a good eg then? ;-) #eltchat
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12:15 pm
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annabooklover:
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RT @theteacherjames: #eltchat I'm sure it's easier with adults, it's ultimately their responsibility after all.
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12:16 pm
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englishraven:
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I think it's also really important to let them come up with their own strategies too. Teacher doesn't always know best... #ELTChat
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12:16 pm
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cherrymp:
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#ELTChat wt r sme of d LT dat v do in d class?
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12:16 pm
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chiasuan:
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@englishraven The real TBLT. Hands-off teaching... #eltchat
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12:16 pm
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cherrymp:
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RT @englishraven: I think it's also really important to let them come up with their own strategies too. Teacher doesn't always know best... #ELTChat
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12:16 pm
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dreadnought001:
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@efl101 #eltchat ;-)
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12:16 pm
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barbsaka:
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Good idea! @efl101 (take time to teach lang study skills at start of course - many sts have been away from study for some time) #eltchat
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12:16 pm
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worldteacher:
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For me, training sts in effective ways to learn vocab is essential - many have no idea what to do other than make lists in L1 & L2 #eltchat
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12:16 pm
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englishraven:
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@AnneSinclair1 Visualisation is one of my favourite reading skill strategies to teach Ss... #ELTChat
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12:16 pm
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cherrymp:
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@englishraven #ELTChat thanks
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12:16 pm
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theteacherjames:
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RT @barbsaka I try to encourage my students to use me and each other b4 dictionary, so they practice "what does __ mean?" #eltchat
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12:16 pm
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efl101:
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@AnneSinclair1 how to use flash cards esp, rotation, spaced recall, reverse etc. is low tech but seems to work #eltchat
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12:17 pm
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dreadnought001:
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@englishraven #eltchat yes, I try to do a survey early in course so Ss can share strategies they've found useful
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12:17 pm
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Mario_Lindberg:
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If you can balance their strategies with yours, that would be a great deal. #eltchat
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12:17 pm
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EclipsingX:
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#ELTCHAT LT 4 me is helping the learner to explore who they are, how they learn, to experiment until they find what is comfortable #ELTCHAT
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12:17 pm
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annabooklover:
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The new coursebooks for Greek State schools always begin chapters with learning strategies. #eltchat
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12:17 pm
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Marisa_C:
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RT @annabooklover: The new coursebooks for Greek State schools always begin chapters with learning strategies. #eltchat
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12:17 pm
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englishraven:
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@dreadnought001 They can be quite creative, can't they? Often more interesting strategies than ours! #ELTChat
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12:18 pm
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cherrymp:
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#ELTChat introduding learning styles also i think wud b a part of LT
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12:18 pm
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EclipsingX:
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RT @englishraven: really important to let them come up with their own strategies too. Teacher doesn't always know best... #ELTChat Yes.))
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12:18 pm
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englishraven:
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@annabooklover I assume these are in the L1? What do you think of the strategies in those books? #ELTChat
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12:18 pm
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efl101:
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@AnneSinclair1 as in if get word right then test again in two days, then a week, two weeks etc. if wrong then test again next day #eltchat
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12:19 pm
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barbsaka:
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My two learner training goals: 1) Control language to handle natural language--getting people to stop, repeat, explain #eltchat
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12:19 pm
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theteacherjames:
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@AnneSinclair1 #eltchat I've taught note taking, journal writing, keeping a vocabulary record, time keeping...
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12:19 pm
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cherrymp:
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RT @cherrymp: @Marisa_C mmm that's interesting - so teachers have to take this up at the start of each lesson? #ELTChat
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12:19 pm
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Marisa_C:
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@cherrymp At the start of every activity more like #ELTChat
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12:19 pm
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efl101:
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learner type (visual, auditory etc) is important to identify with learners - needs exploring as most people don't know themselves #eltchat
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12:19 pm
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englishraven:
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For me, strategies to help them see, hear, understand, feel and remember are most important. #ELTChat
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12:20 pm
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englishraven:
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RT @theteacherjames: @AnneSinclair1 #eltchat I've taught note taking, journal writing, keeping a vocabulary record, time keeping...
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12:20 pm
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englishraven:
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RT @barbsaka: My two learner training goals: 1) Control language to handle natural language--getting people to stop, repeat, explain #eltchat
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12:20 pm
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cherrymp:
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RT @englishraven: For me, strategies to help them see, hear, understand, feel and remember are most important. #ELTChat our learning centres
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12:20 pm
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barbsaka:
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Learner training goal 2: Explanation strategies to talk around unfamiliar words (kind of ___, made of ___, used for ___, etc) #eltchat
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12:20 pm
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Marisa_C:
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@englishraven Good point - some memorization twchniques - mnemonics good for learning #ELTChat
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12:20 pm
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cybraryman1:
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WedChat:#ClavEd #ELTchat #ntchat #ptchat #ecosys#PHDchat#edmusichat#SGAchat #web20chat #DistEd#smchat#yalitchat#FYCchat:http://bit.ly/9bCqR
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12:21 pm
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barbsaka:
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RT @englishraven: For me, strategies to help them see, hear, understand, feel and remember are most important. #ELTChat
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12:21 pm
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cherrymp:
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@Marisa_C sounds interesting - dat means a deliberate attempt to incorporate LT into d CR process #ELTChat
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12:21 pm
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englishraven:
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@Marisa_C Memorization has been demonised in our profession of late. It's a really important skill to have! #ELTChat
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12:21 pm
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theteacherjames:
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@englishraven Sts need own strategies: Yes! I had colleagues who prescribed a vocab. notebook in a way that didn't suit everyone. #eltchat
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12:21 pm
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Marisa_C:
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@barbsaka Great idea - learning to paraphrase also useful in the absence of needed vocab so they can communicate orally #eltchat
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12:21 pm
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cintiastella:
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As teachers we should help Ss to discover the learning strategies that suit them best #ELTChat
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12:21 pm
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EclipsingX:
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#ELTCHAT new thing I am trying is to get learners to post tips on our class blog. Here is one for vocabulary and webcams http://ow.ly/4ppZN
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12:21 pm
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barbsaka:
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@efl101 Good point (learner style) #eltchat
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12:21 pm
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englishraven:
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RT @CintiaStella: As teachers we should help Ss to discover the learning strategies that suit them best #ELTChat > Agree
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12:22 pm
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TutorMe_Online:
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Absolutely RT @englishraven: important to let them come up with their own strategies too. Teacher doesn't always know best... #ELTChat
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12:22 pm
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Marisa_C:
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@englishraven Yes --- as noted by people who rarely teach? :-D #ELTChat
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12:22 pm
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cherrymp:
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@englishraven i too agree - #ELTChat s'how ppl really dread learning by heart
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12:22 pm
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Marisa_C:
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@englishraven If at all? #ELTChat
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12:22 pm
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elflearning:
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Just walking into this for the first time. Can someone identify the subject thread for me please? #eltchat
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12:22 pm
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englishraven:
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@Marisa_C How many times have you and I had THAT discussion? :-))) #ELTChat
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12:22 pm
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theteacherjames:
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RT @englishraven: For me, strategies to help them see, hear, understand, feel and remember are most important. #ELTChat
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12:22 pm
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efl101:
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@englishraven @Marisa_C best lang learners I knew used memorization and constant repetition drills old skool but works #eltchat
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12:22 pm
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englishraven:
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RT @efl101: @englishraven @Marisa_C best lang learners I knew used memorization and constant repetition drills old skool but works #eltchat
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12:23 pm
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LaborTeacher:
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RT @englishraven: RT @CintiaStella: As teachers we should help Ss to discover the learning strategies that suit them best #ELTChat > Agree
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12:23 pm
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barbsaka:
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Nice! RT @EclipsingX: #ELTCHAT new thing--try to get learners to post tips on our class blog. ex: Vocabulary and webcams http://ow.ly/4ppZN
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12:23 pm
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cherrymp:
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@ELFLearning learner training - wt's it - wt r d strategies - how imp - etc etc #ELTChat
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12:23 pm
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EclipsingX:
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RT @cherrymp:@englishraven: I think they could be fairly said to feed each other, yes? (learner training and autonomy) #ELTChat yes fineline
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12:23 pm
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Marisa_C:
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@englishraven can't recall now - must be old age creeping up on me :-) #ELTChat
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12:23 pm
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englishraven:
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@efl101 To be honest, me too. My role then became to help them work that into communicative application and automaticity. #ELTChat
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12:24 pm
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elflearning:
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@cherrymp Thanks. #eltchat
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12:24 pm
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barbsaka:
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@ELFLearning Learner training (to create autonomous learners) #eltchat
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12:24 pm
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englishraven:
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RT @EclipsingX: #ELTCHAT new thing I am trying is to get learners to post tips on our class blog. Here is one for vocabulary and webcams http://ow.ly/4ppZN
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12:24 pm
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theteacherjames:
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#eltchat Another example: teaching sts how to express themselves when they don't know a word and they can't use a dictionary. Very useful.
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12:24 pm
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englishraven:
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@EclipsingX Good example of how we can bring edtech and web 2.0 into the learner training equation! #ELTChat
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12:24 pm
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cherrymp:
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RT @theteacherjames: #eltchat Another example: teaching sts how to express themselves when they don't know a word and they can't use a dictionary. Very useful.
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12:24 pm
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efl101:
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@englishraven yes, there was a little bit of baby with bath water at beginning of communicative approach IMHO #eltchat
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12:25 pm
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cherrymp:
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@efl101 IMHO??? #ELTChat
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12:25 pm
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elflearning:
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2 cents - success is key. I teach primarily young learners and successful communication attempt encourages future attempts. #eltchat
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12:25 pm
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Marisa_C:
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@englishraven Yes, as @barbsaka mentioned just now - give them some useful phrases for this #ELTChat
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12:25 pm
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efl101:
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How much of good learner training is good learner motivating? #eltchat
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12:25 pm
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barbsaka:
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@ELFLearning Very good point--success breeds confidence which breeds success :-) #eltchat
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12:26 pm
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efl101:
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@cherrymp in my humble opinion (text speak!) #eltchat
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12:26 pm
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EclipsingX:
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@barbsaka #ELTCHAT location 4 study. Uni ENG.=longtexts-many sts sit at desks=not working! In classtime I send them out to try diff.places
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12:26 pm
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englishraven:
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@efl101 Couldn't agree more. I've often (gasp!) found audiolingual techniques quite useful! #ELTChat
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12:26 pm
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yitzha_sarwono:
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@efl101 @Marisa_C @englishraven True,some old school drills may works but better improvise on doing so they don't feel it #eltchat
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12:26 pm
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elflearning:
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@efl101 Exactly. Motivation is key. Demotivating experiences inhibit efforts at autonomy. #eltchat
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12:26 pm
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efl101:
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@englishraven Heresy! #eltchat
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12:26 pm
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cherrymp:
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@efl101 @barbsaka thanks #ELTChat
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12:26 pm
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dreadnought001:
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#eltchat convincing my students that sheer bloody hard work might also be of benefit to them can sometimes be a struggle :-)
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12:26 pm
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theteacherjames:
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@barbsaka #eltchat Good point, but as teachers we have a big role to play in st. motivation. I see it as one of my main jobs in fact.
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12:26 pm
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englishraven:
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@annabooklover That's important, because if learning strategies are half-baked or boring, Ss can lose faith in them quickly. #ELTChat
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12:26 pm
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barbsaka:
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@efl101 Not sure if you can separate learner training and motivating. Becoming better at learning tends to motivate, no? :-) #eltchat
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12:26 pm
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annabooklover:
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RT @englishraven: @efl101 Couldn't agree more. I've often (gasp!) found audiolingual techniques quite useful! #ELTChat
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12:27 pm
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EclipsingX:
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@englishraven this what I am really trying to work on. Teachers have something to say but so do learners to each other and to us. #ELTCHAT
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12:27 pm
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cybraryman1:
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My Mnemonic Devices sites and Learning Games page: http://tinyurl.com/4fk7jp2 #eltchat
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12:27 pm
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cintiastella:
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And let's not forget about building confidence #ELTChat
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12:27 pm
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yitzha_sarwono:
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@EclipsingX @barbsaka Class' blog! Great idea #eltchat
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12:27 pm
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englishraven:
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@dreadnought001 I agree. Learning language requires effort. Everything these days promises effortless miracles... #ELTChat
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12:27 pm
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barbsaka:
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@englishraven @efl101 The older I get, the more audiolingual I become :-) #eltchat
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12:27 pm
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elflearning:
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@theteacherjames Agreed. It is our job to help expose students to success, which motivates. #eltchat
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12:27 pm
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cherrymp:
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teachers need to expose students to a variety of LT strategies and help them choose wt works best for dem #ELTChat
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12:27 pm
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dreadnought001:
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@englishraven @annabooklover #eltchat important that LS doesn't 'become' the class, students can begin to feel the class is pointless
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12:28 pm
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cherrymp:
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RT @englishraven: @dreadnought001 I agree. Learning language requires effort. Everything these days promises effortless miracles... #ELTChat
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12:28 pm
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englishraven:
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@barbsaka @efl101 And let's face it, Ss often really like drills, and can be taught how to do them independently as well... #ELTChat
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12:28 pm
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cybraryman1:
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My Motivating Students page: http://tinyurl.com/4fdyhbv #eltchat
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12:28 pm
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efl101:
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@barbsaka true but think identifying benefits & demonstrating them can motivate through repetitive but useful techniques...possibly #eltchat
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12:28 pm
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theteacherjames:
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#eltchat Whoops, last tweet meant for @efl101
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12:28 pm
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dreadnought001:
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@englishraven #eltchat agree, sadly the internet is probably the biggest culprit :-)
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12:28 pm
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cherrymp:
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RT @cherrymp: @englishraven might be due to the fact that they get a false impression that they're doing sth #ELTChat
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12:28 pm
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elflearning:
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@barbsaka I've used AL-type drills on YouTube with a lot of success. Maybe taking it out of the classroom is key? #eltchat
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12:29 pm
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efl101:
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@theteacherjames thanks, and yes I agree #eltchat
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12:29 pm
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englishraven:
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RT @elflearning: @barbsaka I've used AL-type drills on YouTube with a lot of success. Maybe taking it out of the classroom is key? #eltchat
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12:29 pm
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barbsaka:
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@ELFLearning Maybe #eltchat
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12:29 pm
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EclipsingX:
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@englishraven @efl101 automaticity is something that usually happens in the classroom it is for self study LT training=needed #ELTCHAT
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12:29 pm
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dreadnought001:
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#eltchat agree that a bit of rote learning/drilling doesn't get the good press it deserves, especially for beginners
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12:29 pm
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cybraryman1:
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My Flashcards page: http://tinyurl.com/4vl2q62 #eltchat
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12:30 pm
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elflearning:
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It allows for more inherently motivating successful communication opportunities IN the classroom. #eltchat
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12:30 pm
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annabooklover:
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Sometimes my students are so used to old skool techniques they don't want to try anything else #eltchat
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12:30 pm
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Fclint:
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RT @cybraryman1: My Mnemonic Devices sites and Learning Games page: http://tinyurl.com/4fk7jp2 #eltchat
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12:30 pm
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cherrymp:
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Ts can share their own strategies to Ss to motivate them to use them in learning #ELTChat
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12:30 pm
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Marisa_C:
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Another area up for LTraining is this: Training the learners to recognise task objectives; have u ever done this? #ELTchat I have & it works
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12:31 pm
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englishraven:
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One thing I did with teen learners is a monthly magazine. One section invited learners to share their favourite study techniques. #ELTChat
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12:31 pm
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elflearning:
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@annabooklover I've found that with "older" learners. Anyone who has gone through public schooling! :) #eltchat
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12:31 pm
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englishraven:
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RT @Marisa_C: Another area up for LTraining is this: Training the learners to recognise task objectives; have u ever done this? #ELTchat I have & it works
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12:31 pm
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cherrymp:
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RT @Marisa_C: Another area up for LTraining is this: Training the learners to recognise task objectives; have u ever done this? #ELTchat I have & it works
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12:31 pm
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andreablanco:
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RT @cybraryman1: My Mnemonic Devices sites and Learning Games page: http://tinyurl.com/4fk7jp2 #eltchat
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12:31 pm
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efl101:
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@EclipsingX but I think drills are excellent for self-study, flash cards and listen and repeat type things etc. #eltchat
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12:31 pm
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barbsaka:
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@Marisa_C Interesting idea! (teach to recognize objectives) #eltchat What age/ability level?
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12:31 pm
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epicenterone:
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#ELTchat Learner autonomy: Holy grail. I try teaching/modeling - how to improve listening skills on your own eg. but hard to have stick.
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12:31 pm
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englishraven:
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@Marisa_C I think that's really important. How many Ss out there plug away without really grasping why or towards what? #ELTChat
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12:32 pm
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cherrymp:
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@ELFLearning that's interesting #ELTChat den dere would b a learning community
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12:32 pm
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englishraven:
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RT @efl101: @EclipsingX but I think drills are excellent for self-study, flash cards and listen and repeat type things etc. #eltchat > Agree
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12:32 pm
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worldteacher:
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Of course, as teachers we can't be prescriptive about this - just give lots of suggestions so sts can choose what works for them #eltchat
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12:32 pm
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elflearning:
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@efl101 @EclipsingX Agreed. It gives you the nuts and bolts to allow for later success. #eltchat
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12:32 pm
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englishraven:
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RT @worldteacher: Of course, as teachers we can't be prescriptive about this - just give lots of suggestions so sts can choose what works for them #eltchat
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12:32 pm
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esolcourses:
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Sorry for jumping in late... couldn't get on Twitter from my mobile. #ELTChat
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12:32 pm
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efl101:
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@epicenterone yes, requires st self-discipline and that's not always easy (motivation, competing demands etc.) #eltchat
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12:32 pm
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theteacherjames:
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RT @worldteacher: We can't be prescriptive about this - just give lots of suggestions so sts can choose what works for them #eltchat
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12:32 pm
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englishraven:
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@worldteacher I agree. Always good to give multiple LT options, as all learners are different. #ELTChat
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12:33 pm
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barbsaka:
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RT @englishraven: @worldteacher I agree. Always good to give multiple LT options, as all learners are different. #ELTChat
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12:33 pm
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Marisa_C:
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@englishraven i once did an experiment with two beginner adult classes - one with one without task objectives training #ELTChat
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12:33 pm
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cherrymp:
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@efl101 true - it's easy to talk abt dis bt wen it comes to practice even Ts can falter #ELTChat
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12:33 pm
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esolcourses:
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RT @barbsaka: RT @englishraven: @worldteacher I agree. Always good to give multiple LT options, as all learners are different. #ELTChat
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12:33 pm
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epicenterone:
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#ELTchat I wonder if LTraining also needs to come from the student. Teacher can model, but students must also want to take on the habit?
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12:33 pm
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theteacherjames:
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@Marisa_C #eltchat Tell us more...
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12:33 pm
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dreadnought001:
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@Marisa_C #eltchat yes, good idea, have tried it, especially eliciting what they learnt from an activity/lesson, can be motivating for them
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12:33 pm
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englishraven:
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@worldteacher I've experimented with options that include more right brain or more left brain style strategies. Worked well! #ELTChat
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12:34 pm
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sandymillin:
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Here for 10 minutes #eltchat
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12:34 pm
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barbsaka:
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RT @englishraven: I've experimented with options that include more right brain or more left brain style strategies. Worked well! #ELTChat
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12:34 pm
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Marisa_C:
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@barbsaka All ages and abilities - but wording of task bjectives must change depending #eltchat
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12:34 pm
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englishraven:
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@Marisa_C And the results? #ELTChat
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12:34 pm
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cherrymp:
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@englishraven where can i read more abt rt brain left brain oriented strategies - sounds interesting #ELTChat
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12:34 pm
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EclipsingX:
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@efl101 @englishraven yes I agree but it needs more than this-other options, self-study groups, what do do when this doesn't work #ELTCHAT
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12:34 pm
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theteacherjames:
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#eltchat We need to be very aware of differing learner styles and tastes - must not be prescriptive!
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12:35 pm
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cherrymp:
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yeah d results - RT @englishraven: @Marisa_C And the results? #ELTChat
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12:35 pm
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juanalejandro82:
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second wednesday I'll miss #ELTChat =(
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12:35 pm
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efl101:
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@worldteacher agree re options but, part of teachers job is to point 2 which methods work best (see Nation et al re vocab et.) #eltchat
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12:35 pm
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JoshSRound:
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Had to duck out, back again :) #eltchat
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12:35 pm
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englishraven:
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@EclipsingX Right. Collaborative versus independent strategies. Preemptive versus reflective strategies, etc. #ELTChat
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12:35 pm
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cherrymp:
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v true - RT @theteacherjames: #eltchat We need to be very aware of differing learner styles and tastes - must not be prescriptive!
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12:35 pm
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elflearning:
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@EclipsingX @efl101 @englishraven Self-study can be intrinsically or extrinsically motivated. We try to mix at our school. #eltchat
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12:36 pm
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EclipsingX:
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@yitzha_sarwono #ELTCHAT TY-a new project but one learners are using as a resource-I was surprised they seem to have it open alot on laptops
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12:36 pm
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englishraven:
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@efl101 Ah, but different methods can work better with different learners... #ELTChat
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12:36 pm
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Marisa_C:
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Training learners to be good group members; to collaborate well is another area #ELTchat
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12:36 pm
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cintiastella:
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I understand that self assessment is an important part of learner training. How do you deal with it? #ELTChat
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12:36 pm
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efl101:
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@EclipsingX yes true, enter the web maybe? #eltchat
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12:36 pm
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JoshSRound:
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Agree, but how do you assess this? RT @theteacherjames: #eltchat need to be aware of learner styles and tastes - must not be prescriptive!
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12:36 pm
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EnglAdvantage:
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jumping in late finally figured out DST @epicenterone motivating important Showing them why self learning strategies work is vital #ELTChat
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12:36 pm
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sandymillin:
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RT @dreadnought001: #eltchat convincing my students that sheer bloody hard work might also be of benefit to them can sometimes be a struggle :-)
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12:36 pm
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efl101:
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@englishraven minefield ain't it? #eltchat
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12:36 pm
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theteacherjames:
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@JoshSRound #eltchat How do you mean "assess"?
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12:36 pm
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cherrymp:
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RT @Marisa_C: Training learners to be good group members; to collaborate well is another area #ELTchat - es? (cont) http://deck.ly/~H060U
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12:36 pm
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worldteacher:
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@englishraven Good idea - hadn't thought of looking at it like that! Usually just focus on whether st is a visual learner or not #eltchat
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12:36 pm
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efl101:
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RT @cintiastella: I understand that self assessment is an important part of learner training. How do you deal with it? #ELTChat
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12:37 pm
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odiep77:
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RT @cybraryman1: My Motivating Students page: http://tinyurl.com/4fdyhbv #eltchat
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12:37 pm
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JoshSRound:
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@Marisa_C Yes, always the odd st who only wants to work with the teacher #eltchat
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12:37 pm
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EclipsingX:
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@efl101 absolutely and then a whole new type of training.) how to navigate it where to experiment, needs time but worth it #ELTCHAT
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12:37 pm
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Marisa_C:
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@cherrymp @englishraven #ELTChat The perrfomance and achievement levels of the class WITH objectives training was superior
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12:38 pm
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sandymillin:
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RT @cherrymp: Ts can share their own strategies to Ss #ELTChat <tell them about how I learn & what I've tried in the past & discarded (4me)
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12:38 pm
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esolcourses:
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Recording from my #VRT11 talk on using online activities & web tools to help encourage learner autonomy http://bit.ly/gcEY7r #ELTChat
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12:38 pm
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barbsaka:
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I'm so sorry, but we're going to lose internet in a minute. don't know if I'll be back tonight :-( #eltchat
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12:38 pm
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theteacherjames:
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@Marisa_C #eltchat Absolutely, if the class has a collective sense of responsibility it's invaluable. The opposite can be deadly, too.
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12:38 pm
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elflearning:
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@efl101 @cintiastella Students tell us when they are ready to be "checked." It allows freedom but motivates the rest. #eltchat
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12:38 pm
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JoshSRound:
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@theteacherjames assess the different learning styles & tastes #eltchat Do you do VAKOG tests?
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12:38 pm
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englishraven:
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@Marisa_C What about learners who aren't necessarily 'good' group members? Do we train 'em or cater to 'em as being different? #ELTChat
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12:38 pm
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seburnt:
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RT @esolcourses: Recording from my #VRT11 talk on using online activities & web tools to help encourage learner autonomy http://bit.ly/gcEY7r #ELTChat
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12:39 pm
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efl101:
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@CintiaStella self-assessment is v. difficult, mostly involves level of self comfort using lang. but is fuzzy area #eltchat
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12:39 pm
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EclipsingX:
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@englishraven yes and how many of us come up with strategies honestly in our classrooms and discuss them. #ELTCHAT
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12:39 pm
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cherrymp:
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@sandymillin mm true - wen Ss see even d Ts had made mistakes dey dev a +ve attitude to mistakes #ELTChat
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12:39 pm
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cherrymp:
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@Marisa_C mmm #ELTChat
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12:39 pm
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sandymillin:
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@cherrymp Not just mistakes that I've made (that too), but also strategies I use when I learn languages #ELTChat
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12:39 pm
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englishraven:
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@Marisa_C You should be publishing that finding! :-) #ELTChat
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12:40 pm
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theteacherjames:
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@JoshSRound I'd do it the other war around, give the Sts a variety of choices & let them choose the way they are comfortable with. #eltchat
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12:40 pm
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EclipsingX:
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@elflearning what motivates each learner is diff. that is the tricky part finding the motivation button for each one.)) #ELTCHAT
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12:40 pm
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cherrymp:
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@sandymillin mmm saw dat - was able to rel to mistake part quiet easily #ELTChat
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12:40 pm
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efl101:
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@Marisa_C what objectives did u set? #eltchat
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12:40 pm
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esolcourses:
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RT @englishraven What about learners who aren't necessarily 'good' group members? Do we train 'em or cater to 'em] depends, I think #ELTChat
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12:40 pm
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englishraven:
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RT @EclipsingX: @elflearning what motivates each learner is diff. that is the tricky part finding the motivation button for each one.)) #ELTCHAT
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12:40 pm
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englishraven:
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@esolcourses Yes, that's why I think it's important to always have more than one choice or path when it comes to strategies. #ELTChat
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12:40 pm
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annabooklover:
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RT @Marisa_C: Training learners to be good group members; to collaborate well is another area #ELTchat
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12:41 pm
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Marisa_C:
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@englishraven I may write a post about it - this was my theme for my 1st disseration #ELTChat
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12:41 pm
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sandymillin:
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@Marisa_C And to help each other as a group outside class. Not just through the teacher: www.edmodo.com good for this #ELTchat
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12:41 pm
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elflearning:
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@EclipsingX @elflearning Agreed. But a successful communicative encounter is, IMO, the most motivating of all. #eltchat
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12:41 pm
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epicenterone:
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#ELTchat @engladvantage (Jumping in late too)Not sure where, but read an article which questioned the advantage to teaching Ltraining ??
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12:41 pm
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ncikembangapi:
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@englishraven talk a lot of slang,debate about things teens find cool and grammar wise I try n keep my examples teen related #eltchat #teens
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12:41 pm
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esolcourses:
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@englishraven @Marisa_C if learners really aren't comfortable working in groups or pairs, don't think we should force them... #ELTChat
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12:41 pm
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cherrymp:
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learning communities where knowledge flows in all directions and from all #ELTChat
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12:41 pm
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Marisa_C:
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@efl101 Whatever objectives came up in the lessons I taught - evetually the Ss could identiy them on their own #eltchat
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12:42 pm
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theteacherjames:
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#eltchat I think we need to mention goal setting. It's hard to get students to become autonomous if they don't have something to aim for.
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12:42 pm
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englishraven:
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@barbsaka If we don't see u again tonight, barb, thanks for being here! #ELTChat
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12:42 pm
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englishraven:
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RT @ncikembangapi: @englishraven talk a lot of slang,debate about things teens find cool and grammar wise I try n keep my examples teen related #eltchat #teens
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12:42 pm
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worldteacher:
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@efl101 Can only advise on best methods, though, can't we? Lead a horse to water & all that .... #eltchat
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12:42 pm
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EclipsingX:
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I am trying for learning a Personal Learning plan for learners to reflect on with gym trainer style tutorials that are optional! #ELTCHAT...
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12:42 pm
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EnglAdvantage:
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Have found needs based motivation works best. Talking about use of English outside classroom what they couldn't do. #ELTChat
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12:42 pm
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cherrymp:
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RT @theteacherjames: #eltchat I think we need to mention goal setting. It's hard to get students to become autonomous if they don't have something to aim for.
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12:43 pm
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sandymillin:
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@esolcourses @englishraven @Marisa_C & if they're not comfortable in class, they might be better practising online = 'safer' #ELTChat
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12:43 pm
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englishraven:
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@worldteacher That's a good point. Teachers can get quite narky when Ss don't appear to want to take on their tips/strategies! #ELTChat
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12:43 pm
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sandymillin:
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RT @theteacherjames: #eltchat I think we need to mention goal setting. It's hard to get students to become autonomous if they don't have something to aim for.
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12:43 pm
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JoshSRound:
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@theteacherjames yep, better if students choose what suits them #eltchat
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12:43 pm
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efl101:
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@Marisa_C okay, did sts identify individual objectives or group ones? - I think this is a great idea #eltchat
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12:43 pm
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annabooklover:
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RT @esolcourses: Recording from my #VRT11 talk on using online activities & web tools to help encourage learner autonomy http://bit.ly/gcEY7r #ELTChat
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12:43 pm
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efl101:
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@worldteacher true, true #eltchat
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12:43 pm
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Marisa_C:
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@esolcourses I personally believe the learners will do anything as long as you can valiadte it for them - very few resist this #ELTChat
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12:43 pm
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esolcourses:
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@englishraven @Marisa_C need to consider their dislike of group work may be down to a learning difficulty (such as Aspergers) #ELTChat
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12:43 pm
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englishraven:
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@esolcourses @sandymillin I found online speaking practice had a massively positive impact on shy NE Asian Ss. #ELTChat
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12:44 pm
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EclipsingX:
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@englishraven @marisa_C I think we need to cater for them. In my context there is no other option such as a private 1:1 #ELTCHAT
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12:44 pm
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ncikembangapi:
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@englishraven encourage them 2 watch a lot of TV and movies without reading the translation text so their pronunciation will b good #eltchat
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12:44 pm
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englishraven:
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@esolcourses Yes, or cultural issues - huge in ESL contexts! #ELTChat
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12:44 pm
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sandymillin:
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RT @Marisa_C: @esolcourses I personally believe the learners will do anything as long as you can valiadte it for them #ELTChat <agreed
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12:44 pm
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Marisa_C:
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@BobK99 No idea what you mean I.m afraid - I thought I was talking good sense, not magic #ELTchat
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12:45 pm
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sandymillin:
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@ncikembangapi Or watch them with the English subtitles - improves listening, reading, grammar and vocab at same time #eltchat
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12:45 pm
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cherrymp:
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@englishraven mmm - even here when students were allowed to voice chat they liked d anonymity & tend to talk more #ELTChat
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12:45 pm
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BobK99:
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@Marisa_C But is 'objectives' a magic word? My choir rehearses in a classroom with a whiteboard that has an unchanging 'Objs' hdg / #eltchat
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12:45 pm
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EclipsingX:
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@elflearning yes true and IMO is where we need to help learners to discover this. Yo can do tons of LT but without this ...#ELTCHAT
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12:45 pm
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efl101:
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Richard Burton (explorer not actor) wld mimic quietly what people were saying 2 him 2 learn lang. might get u in bother now though #eltchat
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12:45 pm
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worldteacher:
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Peer advice often works well, esp with teens. Get st a few levels above to tell a group their top tips for language learning #eltchat
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12:46 pm
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BobK99:
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@Marisa_C If I were a st there my lip would start to curl after a few wks. #eltchat
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12:46 pm
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esolcourses:
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@englishraven agree, Jason! @Marisa_C @sandymillin would always give learners the option to work independently on PC's, personally #ELTChat
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12:46 pm
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englishraven:
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@ELFLearning Thanks for joining in! Hope to see you here again. #ELTChat
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12:46 pm
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theteacherjames:
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@worldteacher I think peer reflection is invaluable for adults too. #eltchat
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12:47 pm
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KeramidaM:
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they need to be motivated to work as a group, good communication can also help #ELTchat
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12:47 pm
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esolcourses:
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RT @worldteacher: Peer advice often works well, esp with teens. Get st a few levels above to tell a group their top tips for language learning #eltchat
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12:47 pm
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Marisa_C:
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So far we have talked about LTR for language skills, collaborating, study skills, good learner traits: any other areas? #ELTchat
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12:47 pm
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ncikembangapi:
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@englishraven I text/bbm/ym/tweet them in english and ask them to reply in english too. Good writing drill #eltchat #teens
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12:47 pm
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cherrymp:
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@theteacherjames bt sometimes in sme cul contexts it's not welcome - Ss think their peers not qualified enuf to give comments #ELTChat
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12:47 pm
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esolcourses:
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RT @theteacherjames: @worldteacher I think peer reflection is invaluable for adults too. #eltchat ] agree.
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12:47 pm
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KeramidaM:
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you can assign roles to assure interdependence #ELTchat
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12:47 pm
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Marisa_C:
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@BobK99 He he ... if one does it in a tiresome way, that can happen too #eltchat
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12:48 pm
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sandymillin:
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@esolcourses @englishraven @Marisa_C I mean use the PCs at home in an online group such as through Edmodo - group wk at own pace #ELTChat
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12:48 pm
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chucksandy:
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How about getting students to set their own objectives? It's been useful to have Ss write a contract/promise to themelves #eltchat
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12:48 pm
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englishraven:
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@esolcourses Saw learners who barely whispered in 6 months start talking in class within a month after introducing online speaking. #ELTChat
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12:48 pm
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efl101:
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@Marisa_C think this objectives idea is worth exploring ie sts set week by week goals and check in with teacher #eltchat
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12:49 pm
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theteacherjames:
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@cherrymp #eltchat Again, I think it takes training. Shouldn't be too tricky if they are reflecting on their learning experiences.
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12:49 pm
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efl101:
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@chucksandy oops u beat me to it ;-) #eltchat
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12:49 pm
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englishraven:
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@chucksandy @Marisa_C Yes, that strikes me as being a pretty good way for them to realise the objectives :-) #ELTChat
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12:49 pm
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sandymillin:
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@cherrymp Think this is a case of training learners that their peers have answers too, not just the teacher #ELTChat
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12:49 pm
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cherrymp:
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RT @KeramidaM: you can assign roles to assure interdependence #ELTchat > good idea - indvdl diff need to b kept in mind #ELTChat
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12:49 pm
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chucksandy:
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@worldteacher: Peer advice is essential I think. We have peer mentors in our dept to help younger students reach goals. #eltchat
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12:49 pm
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worldteacher:
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@theteacherjames Agree absolutely! #eltchat
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12:49 pm
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Marisa_C:
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RT @chucksandy: How about getting Ss to set own objectives? It's been useful to have Ss write a contract/promise to themelves #eltchat
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12:49 pm
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chucksandy:
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@elf101 - great minds and all of that ^^ #eltchat
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12:49 pm
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BobK99:
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@Marisa_C #eltchat I meant do you alws have to use the word 'objs' rather than - say - 'What I want to achieve' or 'Why it's worth learning'
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12:49 pm
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englishraven:
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@chucksandy @Marisa_C In a perfect world, of course, where Ts are allowed to let Ss take more control over the objectives... #ELTChat
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12:49 pm
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annabooklover:
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@dreadnought001 Exactly! You just expressed what is wrong with the LS part of the books I use! Thanks! #eltchat
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12:50 pm
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cherrymp:
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making Ss to accountable of their own learning goes a long way in LT #ELTChat
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12:50 pm
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theteacherjames:
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@chucksandy #eltchat I'd say this kind of goal setting is essential.
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12:50 pm
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EnglAdvantage:
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Love the idea of personal learning plans/contracts. Any resources for how to implement it? #ELTChat
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12:50 pm
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sandymillin:
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@EclipsingX That could be good. Choose a topic and learn about it through English (ACLIL: CLIL for adults?) #ELTCHAT
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12:51 pm
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esolcourses:
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@englishraven @Marisa_C @sandymillin Sorry, Sandy - jumped in late. Probably missing quite a bit of the bigger picture today #ELTChat
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12:51 pm
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sandymillin:
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RT @EnglAdvantage: Love the idea of personal learning plans/contracts. Any resources for how to implement it? #ELTChat
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12:51 pm
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efl101:
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@EnglAdvantage needs to be specific and realistic methinks e.g. 'I want to speak better' is too vague #eltchat
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12:51 pm
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cherrymp:
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@sandymillin mmm - bt u know learner resistance can also come in ur way #ELTChat
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12:51 pm
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chucksandy:
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@englishraven @marisa_C I think it works in any world. Objectives can be what Ss choose to focus on w/in lessons. Even rigid ones #eltchat
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12:51 pm
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Marisa_C:
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@EnglAdvantage If you look at the ides of Portfolio assessment that is part of it - the learners set own goals etc #ELTChat
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12:51 pm
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theteacherjames:
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RT @cherrymp: making Ss to accountable of their own learning goes a long way in LT #ELTChat
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12:51 pm
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sandymillin:
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@cherrymp Agreed - keep plugging away, and hopefully it will change slowly but surely (could be my optimism there!0 #ELTChat
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12:51 pm
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worldteacher:
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RT @chucksandy: @worldteacher: Peer advice is essential I think. We have peer mentors in our dept to help younger students reach goals. #eltchat
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12:51 pm
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chucksandy:
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RT @theteacherjames: RT @cherrymp: making Ss to accountable of their own learning goes a long way in LT - Yes! #eltchat
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12:52 pm
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cherrymp:
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@Marisa_C portfolio - dat's a good idea #ELTChat
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12:52 pm
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EclipsingX:
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@chucksandy same we have peer mentoring. I also invite peers to answer questions learners have and also peer teaching! #ELTCHAT
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12:52 pm
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englishraven:
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@chucksandy Yes, even if it's a matter of providing options from pre-set list (like from MoE), this is still more motivating. #ELTChat
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12:52 pm
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cherrymp:
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@sandymillin yup - can hope against all odds - wid tym and perseverance attitudes might change #ELTChat
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12:52 pm
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Marisa_C:
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@BobK99 The vocabulary you use for objectives can be very simple - good to avoid heavy metalanguage #eltchat
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12:52 pm
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EnglAdvantage:
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@efl101 you hit my biggest problem. Ss have vague goals. #ELTChat
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12:53 pm
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esolcourses:
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@englishraven that's quite an achievement, Jason! Shows what can be done when you build up learner's confidence #ELTChat
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12:53 pm
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cintiastella:
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RT @chucksandy: How about getting students to set their own objectives? | Yes, both educational & personal goals #eltchat
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12:53 pm
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esolcourses:
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RT @Marisa_C: @BobK99 The vocabulary you use for objectives can be very simple - good to avoid heavy metalanguage #eltchat ] good point!
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12:53 pm
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cherrymp:
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RT @cintiastella: RT @chucksandy: How about getting students to set their own objectives? | Yes, both educational & personal goals #eltchat
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12:53 pm
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englishraven:
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RT @esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: @BobK99 The vocabulary you use for objectives can be very simple - good to avoid heavy metalanguage #eltchat ] good point!
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12:53 pm
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EnglAdvantage:
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@Marisa_C Cool. Thanks will look that up. Like what I've read about portfolios too. #ELTChat
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12:53 pm
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chucksandy:
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@englishraven - agree completely. Ss need to have some guidance about what goals might be useful to set. #eltchat
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12:54 pm
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englishraven:
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RT @EnglAdvantage: @efl101 you hit my biggest problem. Ss have vague goals. #ELTChat > That's so common. Need to help them be more specific
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12:54 pm
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cherrymp:
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Ts need to show the options available & shud b willing to take a backseat #ELTChat
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12:54 pm
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theteacherjames:
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#eltchat I spend one whole lesson on goal setting, and go back to them at regular intervals. It's the foundation of my course.
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12:54 pm
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chucksandy:
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RT @EclipsingX: "I also invite peers to answer questions learners have and also peer teaching!" sounds fantastic.How do Ss like it? #eltchat
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12:54 pm
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EclipsingX:
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@sandymillin yes I have ideas not perfect if you give me your email address I will send some stuff.) #ELTCHAT
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12:55 pm
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sandymillin:
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@theteacherjames Has anyone said anything about SMART goals? Specific, measurable, achievable, reasonable, timed #eltchat
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12:55 pm
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cherrymp:
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RT @sandymillin: @theteacherjames Has anyone said anything about SMART goals? Specific, measurable, achievable, reasonable, timed #eltchat
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12:55 pm
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englishraven:
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This chat has been sort of hijacked by @Marisa_C 's points about objectives, but I'm glad! Very important and interesting. #ELTChat
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12:55 pm
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efl101:
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@EnglAdvantage goals frm diagnosis can b gd e.g. written work shows probs with range of conjunctives so goal 4 week = improve range #eltchat
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12:55 pm
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cherrymp:
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not much sand left in the clock - bt d try was worth #ELTChat
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12:55 pm
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EclipsingX:
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@sandymillin yes, I have started learners on their individual blogs for this very reason.))#ELTCHAT
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12:56 pm
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chucksandy:
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@cintiastella I agree - Yes, both educational & personal goals #eltchat
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12:56 pm
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theteacherjames:
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@sandymillin I use SMARTER goals with enjoyable and recorded added on. Equally important I think. #eltchat
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12:56 pm
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chucksandy:
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RT @sandymillin: @theteacherjames Has anyone said anything about SMART goals? Specific, measurable, achievable, reasonable, timed #eltchat
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12:56 pm
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englishraven:
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@sandymillin @esolcourses It's amazing just how threatening many learners find language classrooms. #ELTChat
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12:56 pm
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englishraven:
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RT @chucksandy: RT @sandymillin: @theteacherjames Has anyone said anything about SMART goals? Specific, measurable, achievable, reasonable, timed #eltchat
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12:56 pm
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cherrymp:
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RT @theteacherjames: @sandymillin I use SMARTER goals with enjoyable and recorded added on. Equally important I think. #eltchat >interesting
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12:56 pm
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klizbarker:
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#eltchat I know I'm just jumping in - but how do you handle low-motivation ss who are only focused on scores? any advice on setting goals?
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12:56 pm
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Marisa_C:
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@englishraven I am ever so sorry - I meant to also mention training learners for exams #ELTChat
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12:57 pm
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efl101:
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@englishraven yes, should get out of class more - lessons in coffee shops etc. with wifi and so on should be easy! #eltchat
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12:57 pm
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englishraven:
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@chucksandy SMART is a good way of breaking down/into those 'vague' objectives learners come up with. #ELTChat
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12:57 pm
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annabooklover:
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RT @chucksandy: RT @sandymillin: @theteacherjames Has anyone said anything about SMART goals? Specific, measurable, achievable, reasonable, timed #eltchat
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12:57 pm
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Marisa_C:
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@chucksandy no we haven't I'm afraid - any good references re SMART goals? #eltchat
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12:57 pm
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cherrymp:
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RT @englishraven: @chucksandy SMART is a good way of breaking down/into those 'vague' objectives learners come up with. #ELTChat>true
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12:57 pm
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BobK99:
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@Marisa_C Misread your 'heavy metalanguage #eltchat' - thought you were talking abt Iron Maiden or Metallica. :)
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12:57 pm
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sarahmhowell:
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RT @rliberni: RT @1stpost Fabio Capello: a man of few words - http://bit.ly/fNa4QF I rest my case! http://bit.ly/cUGd4V #eltchat #efl #businessenglish
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12:58 pm
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EclipsingX:
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@chucksandy they seem to like it I will find out tomorrow!! One student wanted a chat space so I helped her set up #STSCHAT!! #ELTCHAT
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12:58 pm
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englishraven:
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RT @Marisa_C: @englishraven I meant to also mention training learners for exams #ELTChat > I think that would make a good future topic!
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12:58 pm
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fionamau:
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@efl101 a bench on the street, a pavement café,, a market... all perfectly decent classrooms... #eltchat
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12:59 pm
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esolcourses:
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@sandymillin @englishraven agree. Think many learners find learning languages intimidating & worry they don't have the aptitude #ELTChat
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12:59 pm
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chucksandy:
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SMART Goals http://www.nwhealth.edu/planning/documents/smart.pdf Not for ELT but adaptable #eltchat
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12:59 pm
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theteacherjames:
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@englishraven #eltchat I see goal setting, st. motivation and learner training / autonomy as intertwined. hard to discuss 1 w/out other.
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12:59 pm
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efl101:
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@fionamau I'd sign up, I always loathed classrooms as a student #eltchat
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12:59 pm
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EclipsingX:
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#ELTCHAT for me autonomous happens when learners see a real life purpose that motivates them and they find ways to engage.
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12:59 pm
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EnglAdvantage:
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@klizbarker find something that interests them even if it's understanding a song or movies. Or a topic they want to read/talk about #ELTChat
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12:59 pm
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englishraven:
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RT @theteacherjames: @englishraven #eltchat I see goal setting, st. motivation and learner training / autonomy as intertwined. hard to discuss 1 w/out other.
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12:59 pm
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cherrymp:
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@fionamau mmm india had a tradition of setting up crs on the shadow of trees #ELTChat place doesn't matter - if Ss can learn well & good
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12:59 pm
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pigletruth:
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@klizbarker excellent questions Kylie I need the answer to that too #eltchat
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12:59 pm
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englishraven:
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@theteacherjames Totally agree. #ELTChat
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12:59 pm
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Marisa_C:
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@englishraven Agree fully - how to study revise etc #ELTChat
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1:00 pm
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chucksandy:
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@EclipsingX "One student wanted a chat space so I helped her set up #STSCHAT!! " would like to know more about that. #eltchat
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1:00 pm
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fionamau:
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RT @cherrymp: @fionamau mmm india had a tradition of setting up crs on the shadow of trees #ELTChat place doesn't matter - if Ss can learn well & good
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1:00 pm
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cherrymp:
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signing out - thanks for another quality hour #ELTChat
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