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How can we make observations less stressful and more a part of ongoing professional development

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This is the transcript of the eltchat on observation - held at 9pm GMT on 23.03.11 - apologies for the first minute or two missing the aggregator didn't pick them up

9:02 pm	Fuertesun:	Evening #eltchat
9:02 pm	Shaunwilden:	@Marisa_C judged, jobs / salary depend on it / different experiecnes from working in different environs #ELTchat?
9:02 pm	DaveDodgson:	@Shaunwilden I wouldn't say I LIKE being observed but I DO LIKE constructive feedback afterwards #ELTchat
9:03 pm	cerirhiannon:	@Shaunwilden depends where observer is coming from - lot of responsibility for easing the sit lies with the observer (& the system)#eltchat
9:03 pm	Shaunwilden:	@DaveDodgson Well yes but I like being observed it pushes me #ELTchat?
9:03 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @ALiCe__M: @cerirhiannon when Ts feel that way it's for a reason : the feeling does not come out of nowhere #eltchat
9:03 pm	ELTmethods:	Hi there. Good topic! #eltchat There are two modes: obs for development vs. obs for evaluation.
9:03 pm	Marisa_C:	@Shaunwilden So we are talking about T-obs for job appraisal and T-obs as part of ones PD? #ELTchat
9:03 pm	Shaunwilden:	@cerirhiannon Agreed the oberver and the system used by the school #ELTchat?
9:03 pm	angieconti:	I think observation is one of the best tools for PD #eltchat
9:04 pm	Fuertesun:	RT @cerirhiannon: @Shaunwilden depends where observer is coming from - lot of responsibility for easing the sit lies with the observer (& the system)#eltchat
9:04 pm	ShellTerrell:	Agree! RT @angieconti: I think observation is one of the best tools for PD #eltchat
9:04 pm	ErenNesrin:	@Marisa_C it's prbly because they feel it's a kind of evalustion rather than a way of reflection #ELTCHAT
9:04 pm	cerirhiannon:	@Shaunwilden yes, the reason for observing and being transparent and flexible and approachable - often down to the DOS #eltchat
9:04 pm	Shaunwilden:	@Marisa_C Yes part of that, remember I'm from the PLS side not state and have seen teachers lose jobs for bad lessons sadly #ELTchat?
9:04 pm	harrisonmike:	#eltchat it's that anticipation more than anything that kills me
9:04 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @ErenNesrin: @Marisa_C it's prbly because they feel it's a kind of evalustion rather than a way of reflection #ELTCHAT > totally
9:04 pm	Fuertesun:	So much depends on the person observing #ELTchat
9:05 pm	ayatawel:	sometimes like to be observed when i'm well prepared or when i'm gonna get useful feedback!!#eltchat
9:05 pm	Marisa_C:	Pls remember our Q is about T obs as part of development not job appraisals #ELTchat - would u like to talk abt that too?
9:05 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C Yes part of that, remember I'm from the PLS side not state and have seen teachers lose jobs for bad lessons sadly #ELTchat?
9:05 pm	ShellTerrell:	I think we should not always tie observation to a consequence but just as added support & help. Right now it is a record #ELTChat
9:05 pm	teacher_prix:	#ELTChat I find it stressful when I havent got any notice and all opf a sudden sb just pops into my room - don't mind being observed though
9:05 pm	JoshSRound:	RT @Fuertesun: So much depends on the person observing #ELTchat yes, the observer must ensure observee put at ease
9:05 pm	Shaunwilden:	i think a lot people who do observations esp in language schools are not actually skilled enough to do the #ELTchat
9:05 pm	jgmac1106:	Observations need to be connected by goals identified on tchr so feedback can be focused. #eltchat
9:05 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @Shaunwilden: i think a lot people who do observations esp in language schools are not actually skilled enough to do the #ELTchat
9:05 pm	gkpdnewyork:	RT @Marisa_C: "How can we make observations less stressful and more a part of ongoing professional development?" Get ready for the next #ELTchat
9:05 pm	DaveDodgson:	Who here has a regular programme of observation in their school? How does it work? (Sadly, there isn't one where I work) #ELTchat
9:06 pm	ErenNesrin:	RT @ELTmethods: Hi there. Good topic! #eltchat There are two modes: obs for development vs. obs for evaluation.
9:06 pm	ayatawel:	@Fuertesun I totally agree #eltchat
9:06 pm	ShellTerrell:	I don't mind being observed by a colleague but an outsider who thinks 1 approach goes I'm not comfortable with #Eltchat
9:06 pm	Marisa_C:	First of all, how many of you are encouraged to do peer observing as part of your PD? #ELTchat
9:06 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @DaveDodgson: Who here has a regular programme of observation in their school? How does it work? (Sadly, there isn't one where I work) #ELTchat
9:06 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @Marisa_C: First of all, how many of you are encouraged to do peer observing as part of your PD? #ELTchat
9:06 pm	jgmac1106:	However to be effective obsrvtns need to both scheduled and unschedudled. otherwise only canned lessons observed #eltchat
9:06 pm	jgmac1106:	RT @Marisa_C: First of all, how many of you are encouraged to do peer observing as part of your PD? #ELTchat
9:06 pm	ShellTerrell:	@Marisa_C We are encouraged only if we will take over the class eventually #eltchat
9:06 pm	Fuertesun:	RT @ShellTerrell: I don't mind being observed by a colleague but an outsider who thinks 1 approach goes I'm not comfortable with #Eltchat
9:07 pm	jgmac1106:	RT @ErenNesrin: RT @ELTmethods: Hi there. Good topic! #eltchat There are two modes: obs for development vs. obs for evaluation.
9:07 pm	Shaunwilden:	@Marisa_C In the schools I've worked it seen as part of the job to do peer observations #ELTchat?
9:07 pm	harrisonmike:	#eltchat if you are given a long observation period (e.g. they can come any time in the space of 2 wks) it is soooo stressful
9:07 pm	Fuertesun:	RT @ErenNesrin: RT @ELTmethods: Hi there. Good topic! #eltchat There are two modes: obs for development vs. obs for evaluation.
9:07 pm	DinaDobrou:	@Shaunwilden @cerirhiannon Also WHO/WHY is observing. A DoS? A colleague? An assessor? Different reasons for being observed. #ELTchat
9:07 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @ErenNesrin: RT @ELTmethods: obs for PD vs. obs for evaluation. > I think poss 4obs 4 evaluation 2 contribute 2developemnt too #eltchat
9:07 pm	Shaunwilden:	@harrisonmike that implies you do sth different for an obs lessons #ELTchat?
9:08 pm	Fuertesun:	@Marisa_C I work alongside about 8 teachers so I get to observe a lot #eltchat
9:08 pm	proch20j:	@DaveDodgson What does a "regular programme of observation" entail? #ELTchat
9:08 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C In the schools I've worked it seen as part of the job to do peer observations #ELTchat?
9:08 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @ShellTerrell: @Marisa_C We are encouraged only if we will take over the class eventually #eltchat
9:08 pm	ErenNesrin:	Video observation is a good tool for PD- T can reflect back on the experience her/himself and work on the areas accordingly. #eltchat
9:08 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	In my district peer observation and coaching in place, learning walkthroughs beginning to be part of school culture #eltchat
9:08 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C In the schools I've worked it seen as part of the job to do peer observations #ELTchat?> lucky you!
9:08 pm	ELTmethods:	@DaveDodgson #eltchat We've got one. Teachers have to visit their colleagues twice a year. It's compulsory which makes it useless.
9:08 pm	JoshSRound:	@DaveDodgson I try to do at least 1 full lesson obs per T per yr, w emphasis on dev not on evaluation; then encourage peer obs too #eltchat
9:09 pm	DinaDobrou:	RT @jgmac1106: However to be effective obsrvtns need to both scheduled & unschedudled. otherwise only canned lessons observed #eltchat>Agree
9:09 pm	cybraryman1:	I am just "observing" this marvelous chat but here is my Observations page: http://tinyurl.com/4j7824o #eltchat
9:09 pm	teacher_prix:	@Marisa_C Encouraged??? Well, only by tutors I've had for CELTA or other PD courses, at real workplace? - never... #ELTchat
9:09 pm	Marisa_C:	Two different attitudes - peer observe only if u are about to take over class - peer observe as part of ur job #ELTchat
9:09 pm	DaveDodgson:	@ELTmethods Compulsory or not is an issue - it shouldn't seem forced but at the same time we need to make sure it actually happens! #ELTchat
9:10 pm	Fuertesun:	Watching others at work is a fantastic devp tool #eltchat
9:10 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	classroom teachers able to participate in district wide appraisals come away w/ appreciation for feedback that observations bring. #eltchat
9:10 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @DaveDodgson: @ELTmethods Compulsory or not is an issue - it shouldn't seem forced but at the same time we need to make sure it actually happens! #ELTchat
9:10 pm	DaveDodgson:	@proch20j Chnages from school to school I guess - that was what I wanted to find out with my question :) #ELTchat
9:10 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @ALiCe__M: @cerirhiannon yES ! teachers need to know when and decide when even ! > totally agree #eltchat
9:10 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @DinaDobrou: @Shaunwilden @cerirhiannon Also WHO/WHY is observing. A DoS? A colleague? An assessor? Different reasons for being observed. #ELTchat
9:10 pm	DinaDobrou:	@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C It helped me sooo much when my first school did that. I could see things I should do but also avoid. #ELTchat
9:11 pm	Shaunwilden:	@harrisonmike Ok i can see how the paperwork is a pain, - I meant tchrs often try and do a sound and light show for an observer #ELTchat
9:11 pm	DaveDodgson:	@ELTmethods Is there any framework or follow up? Most schools seem to lack those... #ELTchat
9:11 pm	Marisa_C:	In my local culture only novice teachers sometimes - if at all- asked to go see senior Ts (who hate this BTW) #ELTchat
9:11 pm	ShellTerrell:	Agree! We get new ideas! RT @Fuertesun: Watching others at work is a fantastic devp tool #eltchat
9:11 pm	Fuertesun:	State school system there is no observation for evaluation that's bad too #eltchat
9:11 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	teaching is a lot like being a pro athlete, you never see your performance when actually teaching, that is what observation gives #eltchat
9:11 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @Becky_Ellis_: teaching is a lot like being a pro athlete, you never see your performance when actually teaching, that is what observation gives #eltchat
9:12 pm	samshep:	#ELTchat obs for performance management is just quality control. Surely teacher more likely to play safe than experiment & therefore develop
9:12 pm	DinaDobrou:	@ErenNesrin Great way of self assessment. #ELTchat
9:12 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @teacher_prix: @Marisa_C Encouraged??? Well, only by tutors I've had for CELTA or other... at real workplace? - never... #ELTchat
9:12 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @Shaunwilden: @harrisonmike tchrs try and do a sound and light show #ELTchat > I blogged about a "light" approach http://bit.ly/g3XJVw
9:12 pm	DaveDodgson:	@JoshSRound Sounds good - what kind of feedback do the teachers give? #ELTchat
9:12 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat if you are given a long observation period (e.g. they can come any time in the space of 2 wks) it is soooo stressful
9:12 pm	dreadnought001:	In PLS it also depend on the attitude of the school director, and no just the DoS. When I worked for IH, director saw it as wedding #eltchat
9:12 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @Becky_Ellis_: In my district peer observation and coaching in place, learning walkthroughs beginning to be part of school culture #eltchat
9:12 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	@samshep as a coach, I get invited into classes to see how new methods are working for them. pretty cool. #eltchat
9:12 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @ErenNesrin: Video observation is a good tool for PD- T can reflect back on the experience her/himself and work on the areas accordingly. #eltchat
9:12 pm	Ellsbeth:	As an instructional coach, I was able to observe many teacher classrooms. I learned a LOT about teaching. #eltchat
9:13 pm	tanyahendsbee:	Evening #ELTchat
9:13 pm	ELTmethods:	The observer is really the person who benefits most. So no reason to feel tense when being observed. #eltchat.
9:13 pm	ShellTerrell:	Great question! RT @proch20j: What does a "regular programme of observation" entail? #ELTchat
9:13 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	RT @Ellsbeth: As an instructional coach, I was able to observe many teacher classrooms. I learned a LOT about teaching. #eltchat <--me too!
9:13 pm	cerirhiannon:	@dreadnought001 wedding?? #eltchat
9:13 pm	gkpdnewyork:	teacher obs are not a great way to assess teaching ability I've seen great obs and students were failing> student achievement #eltchat
9:13 pm	harrisonmike:	@Shaunwilden #eltchat I didn't use tech apart from presentation and wordle and playing a cd. Hardly bells and whistles tech wise!
9:13 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @cerirhiannon: RT @ALiCe__M: @cerirhiannon yES ! teachers need to know when and decide when even ! > totally agree #eltchat
9:13 pm	grahamstanley:	#eltchat l'm in favour of developmental and other observation - at university where I work there's no obs and no pd and quality suffers
9:13 pm	sandymillin:	I'm here #eltchat Just have to catch up!
9:13 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @ELTmethods: The observer is really the person who benefits most. So no reason to feel tense when being observed. #eltchat.
9:13 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	@gkpdnewyork that is a whole 'nother story #eltchat
9:13 pm	epicenterone:	#ELTchat Does relevance matter? http://bit.ly/fSmlGW A few thoughts on your "relevant" conversation.
9:13 pm	ShellTerrell:	Welcome! We're glad to hear what you feel about teacher observations RT @vladkaslniecko: #eltchat Plz welcome @MajkaKE! be her 1st one :-)
9:13 pm	sandymillin:	RT @cerirhiannon: sorting out my archives - posted an experiment in lesson observations in a new form http://bit.ly/g3XJVw #eltchat
9:13 pm	marekandrews:	one of the most powerful tools in PD is to get somebody to film you+then watch it both on your own+ with sb u like #eltchat
9:14 pm	KeramidaM:	True! Observing and being observed(2 way process) #Eltchat
9:14 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @ALiCe__M: @cerirhiannon if not the case no wonders it is seen as an unexpected police control #eltchat
9:14 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @marekandrews: one of the most powerful tools in PD is to get somebody to film you+then watch it both on your own+ with sb u like #eltchat
9:14 pm	teacher_prix:	#ELTChat I find it stressful when I havent got any notice and all of a sudden sb just pops into my room - don't mind being observed though
9:14 pm	Fuertesun:	@cerirhiannon yes suppose #eltchat
9:14 pm	waykatewit:	#ELTchat @cerirhiannon @ALiCe__M In my school, teachers are so used to being ovserved they do not even notice the observer sometimes :)
9:14 pm	Marisa_C:	I think teachers should seek out peer observation - and define the areas they would like their peers to help them with #ELTchat
9:14 pm	harrisonmike:	#eltchat RT @samshep: @Shaunwilden @harrisonmike yes play safe when grade cd ultimately lead to loss of job.
9:14 pm	DaveDodgson:	2 problems with observation in my context: 1. It's never made clear what it is for (PD, evaluation, just a check)... #ELTchat
9:14 pm	Fuertesun:	@marekandrews very scary #eltchat
9:14 pm	ShellTerrell:	When you observe teachers do you find it better to do this freely or with a form that asks questions/ has criteria? #ELTchat
9:14 pm	Shaunwilden:	@marekandrews Gd point mark, filming and even audio recording yourself reveals a lot , really helped me #eltchat
9:14 pm	DaveDodgson:	2. It doesn'T happen v. often so teachers are stressed when it does! #ELTchat
9:14 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @waykatewit: #ELTchat @ALiCe__M In my school, Ts are so used to being ovserved they do not even notice the observer sometimes :) > nice
9:15 pm	ELTmethods:	@Becky_Ellis_ you need some structure like twice a semester/year and a person you can trust #eltchat
9:15 pm	sandymillin:	RT @DaveDodgson: @Shaunwilden I wouldn't say I LIKE being observed but I DO LIKE constructive feedback afterwards #ELTchat
9:15 pm	waykatewit:	#ELTchat @Marisa_C why do they hate it, you think?
9:15 pm	ESLlibrary:	I think it also helps if the students feel comfortable with the person who is observing. #eltchat They can clam up too.
9:15 pm	ErenNesrin:	In our school Ts have diff ops 4 PD- 1 is video&peer-obs cycle.T video class first,identify area-> do peer->obs+research-> video #ELTCHAT
9:15 pm	MentoneMif:	@ShellTerrell We tried formal last year - it didn't work. Trying informal this year. Let's see how we go! #ELTchat
9:15 pm	Marisa_C:	In my school the observers are sometimes more than the students :-D #ELTchat
9:15 pm	Shaunwilden:	@ShellTerrell #eltchat I've done both depends on the nature of the observation, some are evaluations ,some fo? (cont) http://deck.ly/~KZkkk
9:16 pm	JoshSRound:	#eltchat (phone interruption - back with u!)
9:16 pm	dreadnought001:	What types of observations take place at your schools? Peer? Formative? Evaluative? #eltchat
9:16 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	@cybraryman1 I just got this cool IRIS camera that lets me video a teacher (w teacher permission) and show them their teaching. #eltchat
9:16 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @dreadnought001: What types of observations take place at your schools? Peer? Formative? Evaluative? #eltchat
9:16 pm	lydbury:	Required for British Council inspection! #eltchat
9:16 pm	sandymillin:	RT @Shaunwilden: i think a lot people who do observations esp in language schools are not actually skilled enough to do the #ELTchat
9:16 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @SylviaEllison: I use "blank" forms with 2 columns - "Teacher does ...." "Students do ..." Focus then is on student learning. #eltchat
9:16 pm	JoeMcVeigh:	How to do obs so as to avoid T's feeling of being judged? #ELTchat
9:16 pm	cybraryman1:	@Becky_Ellis_ That can be very helpful for them to actually see themselves teach #eltchat
9:16 pm	sandymillin:	@DaveDodgson We get observed once formally, then some peer observation. + extra obs if there is a prob / TT requests it #ELTchat
9:17 pm	aareian:	RT @ESLlibrary: I think it also helps if the students feel comfortable with the person who is observing. #eltchat They can clam up too.
9:17 pm	JoshSRound:	RT @DaveDodgson: Sounds good - what kind of feedback do the teachers give? #ELTchat >> Good Q, all seem ok with it - shd ask them perhaps!
9:17 pm	DaveDodgson:	RT @Marisa_C: I think teachers should seek out peer observation and define the areas they would like their peers to help them with #ELTchat
9:17 pm	Fuertesun:	No types take place at the schools I work in or have worked in in the past 13 yrs only at summer school #eltchat
9:17 pm	Marisa_C:	@waykatewit I think Ts take critique to be about their WHOLE PERSON - hence feel hurt - tutor hates me etc #ELTchat
9:17 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	@cybraryman1 Here is the link for the IRIS camera http://tinyurl.com/45bn9zm #eltchat
9:17 pm	sandymillin:	RT @jgmac1106: However to be effective obsrvtns need to both scheduled and unschedudled. otherwise only canned lessons observed #eltchat
9:17 pm	ShellTerrell:	@MentoneMif Yes! Tell us which is better in your opinion #Eltchat
9:17 pm	grahamstanley:	RT @marekandrews: one of the most powerful tools in PD is to get somebody to film you+then watch it both on your own+ with sb u like #eltchat
9:17 pm	ALiCe__M:	RT @ESLlibrary: I think it also helps if the students feel comfortable with the person who is observing. #eltchat They can clam up too.>oui!
9:17 pm	waykatewit:	#ELTchat @Marisa_C I agree here.
9:17 pm	Shaunwilden:	@harrisonmike i think there is a balance btween playing safe & sound and light though I do like thrs to try sth new in a PD obs #eltchat
9:17 pm	DinaDobrou:	@ShellTerrell Ts need to know what criteria they need to meet, so a form helps both. But I also like to take extra notes. #ELTchat
9:17 pm	BethCagnol:	RT @Marisa_C: I think teachers should seek out peer observation - and define the areas they would like their peers to help them with #ELTchat
9:17 pm	Marisa_C:	@waykatewit It's important to show them that they can teach 60 horrible minutes and still be great teachers #ELTchat
9:17 pm	teacher_prix:	What is being observed should be taken into account... #ELTChat
9:17 pm	sandymillin:	RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C In the schools I've worked it seen as part of the job to do peer observations #ELTchat? <normal for IH schools?
9:17 pm	Fuertesun:	@teacher_prix yes it's a bit like correcting written work! #eltchat
9:17 pm	Shaunwilden:	@harrisonmike in such cases I also like to meet the tchr before hand to help them get ready #eltchat
9:18 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @Shaunwilden: @harrisonmike I do like thrs to try sth new in a PD obs #eltchat > especially if experienced
9:18 pm	grahamstanley:	RT @ELTmethods: @Becky_Ellis_ you need some structure like twice a semester/year and a person you can trust #eltchat
9:18 pm	ayatawel:	#eltchat in my school, only novice teachers observe, later you are observed by principals when it's time for evaluation !! nobody knows PD!
9:18 pm	Fuertesun:	@DinaDobrou yes like a marking scheme #ELTchat
9:18 pm	lydbury:	@sandymillin Normal for us #ELTchat
9:18 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @ELTmethods: @Becky_Ellis_ you need some structure like twice a semester/year and a person you can trust #eltchat
9:18 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	@ELTmethods District goes in for appraisals of teaching 2x a year, as coach I am in at least once a month. #eltchat (hopefully I'm trusted)
9:18 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @Shaunwilden: @harrisonmike in such cases I like to meet the tchr b4 hand to help them get ready #eltchat > team planning can work too
9:18 pm	ShellTerrell:	@angieconti @DinaDobrou worries me though that the teacher has to know criteria & doesn't already know for daily teaching #eltchat
9:18 pm	waykatewit:	#ELTchat the teachers' reaction to being observed is one criterion for me to judge their professionalism (me as a DOS & employer)
9:18 pm	Shaunwilden:	@sandymillin yes observation is part of the IH teacher charter both peer and 'formal' #eltchat
9:18 pm	ayatawel:	RT @ELTmethods: The observer is really the person who benefits most. So no reason to feel tense when being observed. #eltchat.
9:18 pm	DaveDodgson:	@cathywint And that's a shame - it's especially needed in the early days of the 1st job! #ELTchat
9:18 pm	BethCagnol:	@Marisa_C In the private sector in France, we have no observation requirements. Very few take initiative to do it as own PD. #ELTChat
9:18 pm	MentoneMif:	@ShellTerrell #eltchat I do informal obs all the time in shared library/ English situation. Learned lots about what to do - and not to do!
9:18 pm	dreadnought001:	@cerirhiannon oops, sorry meant 'weeding ' - damn predictive text :-) #eltchat
9:18 pm	lydbury:	@ayatawel But that's valubale too! #eltchat
9:19 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @dreadnought001: What types of observations take place at your schools? Peer? Formative? Evaluative? #eltchat> All tyoes
9:19 pm	JoshSRound:	RT @Shaunwilden: @harrisonmike I also like to meet the tchr before hand #eltchat Agree, always a pre obs cha? (cont) http://deck.ly/~S6fRF
9:19 pm	waykatewit:	#ELTchat @Marisa_C :))) lol
9:19 pm	ShellTerrell:	@DinaDobrou @angieconti Would this be because most schools don't explicitly let teachers know what they expect at the beginning #eltchat
9:19 pm	sandymillin:	Would like to have video obs but school seems a bit reluctant - need to find a camera that will work too! #eltchat
9:19 pm	shaznosel:	#eltchat evening...a little late! I have never been observed or observed others in 15 yrs of tchg in greece,apart from on my delta
9:19 pm	worldteacher:	@DaveDodgson I wouldn't say I LIKE being observed but I DO LIKE constructive feedback afterwards #ELTchat Couldn't agree more!
9:19 pm	DinaDobrou:	@ShellTerrell @angieconti True that. But criteria SHOULD be part of daily teaching. They should now that too. #ELTchat
9:19 pm	lydbury:	@sandymillin Try a flip! #eltchat
9:19 pm	teacher_prix:	RT @Fuertesun: @teacher_prix yes it's a bit like correcting written work! #eltchat - Exactly! =)
9:19 pm	nazsienkiewicz:	The more often it happens the less stressful you feel. #ELTChat
9:19 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	As a coach I usually announce what focus will be of walkthrough, rubrics are published in advance and discussed in SLCs #eltchat
9:19 pm	ELTmethods:	Instruments for classroom observation http://bit.ly/gvDkuz #eltchat
9:19 pm	marekandrews:	@Fuertesun but if u want to be observed/filmed+u invite sb who u like+respect to watch it with u it can be v.powerful #eltchat
9:20 pm	sandymillin:	@lydbury Am thinking about buying a flipcam but need the money first! #eltchat
9:20 pm	epicenterone:	#eltchat and sorry for barging in on your current chat. My "relevant" comments are meant for a chat I saw this morning. Sorry to interrupt.
9:20 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	RT @nazsienkiewicz: The more often it happens the less stressful you feel. #ELTChat
9:20 pm	waykatewit:	#ELTchat @dreadnought001 1, 2 and 3 - it depends on the purpose
9:20 pm	Marisa_C:	@bethcagnol I take that as normal - it's being part of communities such as this that raises this awareness #ELTChat
9:20 pm	lydbury:	RT @nazsienkiewicz: The more often it happens the less stressful you feel. #ELTChat <Yes
9:20 pm	BethCagnol:	#eltchat Question: in your situations: are the observers paid to be there?
9:20 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @marekandrews: @Fuertesun but if u want to be observed/filmed+u invite sb who u like+respect to watch it with u it can be v.powerful #eltchat
9:20 pm	sandymillin:	RT @samshep: #ELTchat obs for performance management is just quality control. Surely teacher more likely to play safe than experiment & therefore develop
9:20 pm	BethCagnol:	RT @marekandrews: one of the most powerful tools in PD is to get somebody to film you+then watch it both on your own+ with sb u like #eltchat
9:20 pm	ALMODAIRES:	Recorded observation may solves many of the obstacles. It also provide several analytic options @ShellTerrell @vladkaslniecko: #eltchat
9:20 pm	Fuertesun:	@marekandrews yes I imagine it is. I was filmed the other day in my riding lesson and it's depressed me #eltchat
9:20 pm	lydbury:	RT @bethcagnol: #eltchat Question: in your situations: are the observers paid to be there? <Certainly are
9:20 pm	ErenNesrin:	RT @Marisa_C: RT @cerirhiannon: RT @ALiCe__M: @cerirhiannon yES ! teachers need to know when and decide when even ! > totally agree #eltchat
9:20 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @lydbury: RT @bethcagnol: #eltchat Question: in your situations: are the observers paid to be there? <Certainly are
9:20 pm	JoshSRound:	RT @bethcagnol: #eltchat Question: in your situations: are the observers paid to be there? >> When peer observing, yes
9:20 pm	dreadnought001:	@DaveDodgson yes, and what you are told (ie its formative) often turns out not to be true! #eltchat
9:21 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @samshep: #ELTchat obs for performance management is just quality control. Surely teacher more likely to play safe than experiment & therefore develop
9:21 pm	teacher_prix:	I like to have peers obs my lessons for discipline issues, for instance... Sometimes we can't diagnose, so another pair of eyes! #ELTchat
9:21 pm	Shaunwilden:	@nazsienkiewicz: The more often it happens the less stressful u feel. #ELTChat and the more it's part of th? (cont) http://deck.ly/~A9j0S
9:21 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @teacher_prix: I like to have peers obs my lessons for discipline issues, for instance... Sometimes we can't diagnose, so another pair of eyes! #ELTchat
9:21 pm	nazsienkiewicz:	Can be stressful for obsever as well as observee! #ELTChat
9:21 pm	marekandrews:	RT@DaveDodgson @Marisa_C: I think teachers shd seek out peer observation+define the areas they wd like their peers 2help them with #ELTchat
9:21 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @Becky_Ellis_: As a coach I usually announce what focus will be of walkthrough, rubrics are published in advance and discussed in SLCs #eltchat
9:21 pm	worldteacher:	I much prefer unscheduled obs - I get far too stressed if I know about an ob in advance & invariably my performance suffers. #eltchat
9:21 pm	waykatewit:	#ELTchat do you fill out observation forms while/after observ.?
9:21 pm	teacher_prix:	@ShellTerrell @dreadnought001: What types of observations take place at your schools? #eltchat Mostly evaluative... =/
9:21 pm	Fuertesun:	@sandymillin yes I've always had positive feedback or constructive criticism and I don't mind it but it's not the norm #eltchat
9:22 pm	ELTmethods:	How do you feed back? #eltchat?
9:22 pm	sandymillin:	@gkpdnewyork Fair point about student achievement, but what is pass / fail? Think it should combine TT and SS 'results' #eltchat
9:22 pm	lydbury:	@nazsienkiewicz Shouldn't be stre #ELTChat
9:22 pm	Marisa_C:	Video is really powerful - I really feel I improved as a classroom practitioner by watching myself on video - A LOT! #ELtchat
9:22 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	@teacher_prix peer observations seem to be what helps more teachers understand their own teaching styles. very helpful. #eltchat
9:22 pm	cioccas:	RT @worldteacher: ...I get far too stressed if I know about an ob in advance & invariably my performance suffers. #eltchat < Agree!
9:22 pm	ShellTerrell:	Agree! RT @almodaires: Recorded observation may solves many of the obstacles. It also provide several analytic options #eltchat
9:22 pm	DaveDodgson:	In my school, same problems for peer ob exists as for any form of PD - it takes up teacher's precious free time... #ELTchat
9:22 pm	lydbury:	RT @lydbury: @nazsienkiewicz Shouldn't be stressful at all if all know why being done #ELTChat
9:22 pm	Shaunwilden:	@worldteacher I've become a fan of buzz observation 20minutes in each room, you actually learn a lot about the tching in a school #eltchat
9:22 pm	DinaDobrou:	@DaveDodgson True.I missed being observed in my old school, so I did 'unseen observatins' (Mario Rinvolucri suggested them I think. #ELTchat
9:22 pm	BethCagnol:	@lydbury @JoshSRound Wow! So there's room in the school's budget to pay two teachers at the same time? #ELTCHAT
9:22 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @angieconti: If it's not transparent teachers get nervous thinking there's probably 'some hidden agenda'. #eltchat
9:22 pm	familysimpson:	RT @ShellTerrell: RT @SylviaEllison: I use "blank" forms with 2 columns - "Teacher does ...." "Students do ..." Focus then is on student learning. #eltchat
9:23 pm	sandymillin:	@Marisa_C I would like to seek out peer obs, but often a time prob. We all teach same slots! #ELTchat
9:23 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @lydbury: RT @lydbury: @nazsienkiewicz Shouldn't be stressful at all if all know why being done #ELTChat
9:23 pm	lydbury:	@DaveDodgson Should be scheduled in surely? #ELTchat
9:23 pm	ErenNesrin:	RT @marekandrews: 1 of the most powerful PD tools is to get somebody 2 film you+then watch it both on ur own+with sb u like #eltchat agree!
9:23 pm	cioccas:	RT @Shaunwilden: @worldteacher ... a fan of buzz observation 20min each room, you actually learn a lot about the tching in a school #eltchat
9:23 pm	DaveDodgson:	@sandymillin That seems like a workable system - what's your take on it? #ELTchat
9:23 pm	shaznosel:	RT @Marisa_C: I think teachers should seek out peer observation - and define the areas they would like their peers to help them with #ELTchat
9:23 pm	Marisa_C:	@DinaDobrou oh no not Mario - actually participated in that specific workshop "UNseen Observations"....:-( #ELTchat
9:23 pm	ShellTerrell:	@angieconti I often do get worried bcuz in some situations thats the only time I see my director in my class #eltchat
9:23 pm	Fuertesun:	@DaveDodgson yes some peolple just not motivated #ELTchat
9:23 pm	JoshSRound:	RT @Shaunwilden: @worldteacher Am a fan of buzz obs 20mins in each room, you learn a lot about the tching in a school #eltchat Me too!
9:23 pm	teacher_prix:	RT @DaveDodgson: In my school, same problems for peer ob exists as for any form of PD - it takes up teacher's precious free time... #ELTchat
9:23 pm	waykatewit:	#ELTchat@bethcagnol DOSes are paid, peers are not
9:23 pm	cerirhiannon:	@Shaunwilden sending link again http://bit.ly/eNuM7U #eltchat - a "light" approach to top- down obs
9:23 pm	sandymillin:	@DaveDodgson Think it works up to a point, but some teachers don't really care about peer obs. Just 'get it out of the way' #ELTchat
9:24 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	@lydbury @DaveDodgson this is new coaching goal for me, to get cover teachers classes so they can observe other teachers #eltchat
9:24 pm	worldteacher:	I set great store by peer obs - encouraged in my school. I learn so much both from observing others & from being observed. #eltchat
9:24 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @sandymillin: @Marisa_C I would like to seek out peer obs, but often a time prob. We all teach same slots! #ELTchat > videotape self
9:24 pm	teacher_prix:	RT @Becky_Ellis_: @teacher_prix peer obs seem to be what helps more teachers understand their own teaching styles. very helpful. #eltchat
9:24 pm	ayatawel:	@dreadnought001 mostly evaluative observation !!#eltchat
9:24 pm	sandymillin:	RT @DaveDodgson: 2. It doesn'T happen v. often so teachers are stressed when it does! #ELTchat <& I think this can be a problem
9:24 pm	ShellTerrell:	@angieconti But I've worked w some directors who continuously do walkthrus & greet teachers & students & I feel less intimidated #eltchat
9:24 pm	sandymillin:	@Marisa_C Planning to once I have a camera... #ELTchat
9:24 pm	lydbury:	RT @Marisa_C: RT @sandymillin: @Marisa_C I would like to seek out peer obs, but often a time prob. We all teach same slots! #ELTchat > videotape self
9:24 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @Marisa_C: RT @sandymillin: @Marisa_C would like peer obs, but time prob. all teach same slots! #ELTchat > videotape self > team teach
9:24 pm	Marisa_C:	@sandymillin > ...and engage community of peers - e.g. some colleagues from #ELTchat could help each other
9:24 pm	BethCagnol:	Rats! Have to attend to some stuff. Just had time for 5mn of #ELTCHAT :-{ sniff!
9:24 pm	ShellTerrell:	@angieconti I think a lot depends on the director's attitude to observations #ELTChat
9:24 pm	cybraryman1:	Walk throughs are becoming popular observations http://tinyurl.com/4phs2pf #eltchat
9:25 pm	proch20j:	I'd rather observe other teachers on my own bc I usually look to see what I can improve on and how others do things I need work on. #eltchat
9:25 pm	ShellTerrell:	#eltchat RT @ayatawel: I guess it's better to do it freely !! open for all ideas !!
9:25 pm	sandymillin:	@ELTmethods Think the 'person you can trust' part is great. Often DOS-centric: get on w/ DOS here, but may not alays be so lucky #eltchat
9:25 pm	DinaDobrou:	@ErenNesrin @jgmac1106 True that Nesrin! You can understand a lot about the lesson from the sts reactions even. #ELTchat
9:25 pm	DaveDodgson:	@teacher_prix Another pair of eyes is useful for all kinds of things e.g. How much do I talk? Do I circulate & monitor effectively? #ELTchat
9:25 pm	JoshSRound:	RT @bethcagnol: @lydbury Wow! So there's room in the school's budget to pay 2 Ts at the same time? #ELTCHAT Yes, but only done occasionally
9:25 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @ShellTerrell: @angieconti I think a lot depends on the director's attitude to observations #ELTChat \| although DOSes can subvert
9:25 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @cerirhiannon: RT @Marisa_C: RT @sandymillin: #ELTchat > videotape self > team teach
9:25 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	@ShellTerrell administrator attitude seems to play a huge role, admin who supports walkthroughs gets huge buy-in from his SLC #eltchat
9:25 pm	sandymillin:	@cerirhiannon Team teaching brings same problem - v. diff levels at same time #ELTchat
9:25 pm	marekandrews:	RT @Marisa_C Video is really powerful I really feel I improved as a classroom practitioner by watching myself on video A LOT! #ELtchat
9:25 pm	teacher_prix:	@worldteacher #ELTchat I don't mind, but depending on type of obs, sts should be aware, shouldn't they?
9:26 pm	brad5patterson:	@Marisa_C the first time I saw myself on video, immediately there were 4 things I HAD to change. Such a powerful tool. #eltchat
9:26 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @Becky_Ellis_: administrator attitude seems to play a huge role, admin who supports walkthroughs gets huge buy-in from his SLC #eltchat
9:26 pm	ELTmethods:	@proch20j Yes, me too. It's me who benefits most. I want to get new ideas and see how others teach #eltchat
9:26 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @sandymillin: @cerirhiannon Team teaching brings same problem - v. diff levels at same time #ELTchat\| had gr8 exp team t-ing diff levels
9:26 pm	ayatawel:	@DaveDodgson #eltchat I thinkit's always needed for feedbach and for PD !!!! all the time !!
9:26 pm	teacher_prix:	RT @lydbury: RT @lydbury: @nazsienkiewicz Shouldn't be stressful at all if all know why being done #ELTChat
9:26 pm	waykatewit:	Can be stressful for obsever as well as observee! #ELTchat @nazsienkiewicz - yes, when U R the manager & the teacher doesn't make the grade!
9:26 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @cybraryman1: Walk throughs are becoming popular observations http://tinyurl.com/4phs2pf #eltchat
9:26 pm	sandymillin:	@cerirhiannon So just have to persuade colleagues over hten #ELTchat
9:27 pm	MrFlynnWave:	RT @DaveDodgson: RT @Marisa_C: I think teachers should seek out peer observation and define the areas they would like their peers to help them with #ELTchat
9:27 pm	waykatewit:	RT @ELTmethods: How do you feed back? #eltchat?
9:27 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @sandymillin: @cerirhiannon So just have to persuade colleagues over hten #ELTchat \| now that-s the prob / will blog about it !
9:27 pm	Marisa_C:	A quick walk through web and u will find loads of Teacher Observation Schedules - or make your own #ELTchat
9:27 pm	lydbury:	@JoshSRound Certainly is #ELTCHAT
9:27 pm	sandymillin:	RT @Marisa_C: @waykatewit It's important to show them that they can teach 60 horrible minutes and still be great teachers #ELTchat
9:27 pm	Shaunwilden:	#ELTchat have u tried meeting a DoS etc to talk about a lesson before and after but not having the observatio? (cont) http://deck.ly/~RvvMl
9:27 pm	JoshSRound:	RT @waykatewit: #ELTchat @nazsienkiewicz - yes, when U R the manager & the teacher doesn't make the grade! > Yep, that is always tricky
9:27 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @brad5patterson the first time I saw myself on video, immediately there were 4 things I HAD to change. Such a powerful tool. #eltchat
9:27 pm	lydbury:	@Becky_Ellis_ Excellent idea #eltchat
9:27 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	RT @ayatawel: @DaveDodgson #eltchat I thinkit's always needed for feedback and for PD !!!! all the time !! <--very important to drive PD!
9:27 pm	DinaDobrou:	@Marisa_C Does that mean it wasn't Mario? Or you don't think unseen ones help? (am a bit puzzled here, sorry) #ELTchat
9:27 pm	teacher_prix:	@DaveDodgson True!!! I believe I've just mentioned discipline 'cause we're going through this problem right now... =) #ELTchat
9:27 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @Marisa_C: A quick walk through web and u will find loads of Teacher Observation Schedules - or make your own #ELTchat
9:28 pm	kasos:	RT @web20education: #Weebly -Create a free class website #edtech20 #edtools \| @scoopit http://t.co/HoTnbaA #edchat #ukedchat #lrnchat #eltchat #efl #elt #cosn11
9:28 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @Marisa_C: RT @brad5patterson the first time I saw myself on video, immediately there were 4 things I HAD to change. Such a powerful tool. #eltchat
9:28 pm	marekandrews:	@Marisa_C by watching myself on film I've learned a lot about how I teach+ have also become more aware+changed as a result #eltchat
9:28 pm	lydbury:	If observation is considered good idea - both should be paid #eltchat
9:28 pm	Marisa_C:	@shamblesguru has a T obs page with links - worth exploring http://bit.ly/eG4gzp #ELTchat
9:28 pm	shaznosel:	#eltchat it's a pity it's not a legal requirement to be observed tchg..imagine how many tchrs are out there..doing what the hell they want
9:28 pm	Fuertesun:	Being observed easier than being the observer #eltchat
9:28 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @marekandrews: @Marisa_C by watching myself on film I've learned a lot about how I teach+ have also become more aware+changed as a result #eltchat
9:28 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @brad5patterson the first time I saw myself on video.. there were 4 things I HAD to change. . #eltchat Yes video taught to me shut up
9:28 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @Fuertesun: Being observed easier than being the observer #eltchat
9:28 pm	lydbury:	RT @Fuertesun: Being observed easier than being the observer #eltchat
9:28 pm	ErenNesrin:	A pre-observation meeting with a TT can help Prior 2 obs,at some point,empowering T &postv criticism should be a must! #eltchat
9:28 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @lydbury: If observation is considered good idea - both should be paid #eltchat\| as DOS I would cover classes 4 Ts to peer observe
9:28 pm	cioccas:	@teacher_prix Yes, I find being observed particularly useful to help with discipline problems. #ELTchat
9:28 pm	waykatewit:	I think a lot depends on the director's attitude to observations @ShellTerrell @angieconti #ELTChat Quite so
9:28 pm	DinaDobrou:	@ayatawel And what about feedback? #ELTchat
9:29 pm	ShellTerrell:	Good point! RT @nazsienkiewicz: If there are a lot of criteria then sometime easy to 'miss' the lesson as too busy making notes. #ELTChat
9:29 pm	worldteacher:	@Shaunwilden I've become a fan of buzz observation... #eltchat Me too! We try to do this at least once a month in my school
9:29 pm	angieconti:	RT @Marisa_C: RT @brad5patterson the first time I saw myself on video, immediately there were 4 things I HAD to change. Such a powerful tool. #eltchat
9:29 pm	Marisa_C:	@DinaDobrou It was Mario - I was there - didn't think much of his unseen observation fantasies #ELTchat
9:29 pm	sandymillin:	@bethcagnol Yes - it's part of the DOS role (formal). For peer obs, no #eltchat
9:29 pm	DaveDodgson:	@sandymillin 'Get it out of the way' is smt I've come across a lot as well - if there's no feedback, what's the point? #ELTchat
9:29 pm	ErenNesrin:	@Shaunwilden @worldteacher do Ts really welcome such obs? #eltchat
9:29 pm	JoshSRound:	#eltchat this yr we started new peer obs > 3 diff Ts x 30 min with area of focus set in disc before with DOS; then reflect,
9:29 pm	sandymillin:	@DaveDodgson And are often surprised when I ask to see feedback! Think peer obs often lacks structure #ELTchat
9:29 pm	dreadnought001:	If writing obs f'back, needs 2 be as descriptive as poss. Record what happens, not your opinion of what happens #eltchat
9:30 pm	DaveDodgson:	RT @brad5patterson: @Marisa_C the first time I saw myself on video, immediately there were 4 things I HAD to change. Such a powerful tool. #eltchat
9:30 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @ShellTerrell: RT @nazsienkiewicz: '...too busy making notes. #ELTChat \| smtsm better to just be there and experience the lesson
9:30 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	@ErenNesrin , pre observation is so critical as it lets everyone be on the same page with what are expectations for observation #eltchat
9:30 pm	JoshSRound:	#eltchat and write up portfolio, then try out ideas taken from peer obs in own teaching
9:30 pm	cioccas:	Wish I had more time to informally observe other Ts as I learn so much from it. #ELTchat
9:30 pm	ShellTerrell:	How do you feel about livestreaming your class for parents to also observe. I've seen teachers use Ustream #Eltchat
9:30 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @cioccas: Wish I had more time to informally observe other Ts as I learn so much from it. #ELTchat
9:30 pm	ayatawel:	RT @DaveDodgson: @teacher_prix Another pair of eyes is useful for all kinds of things e.g. How much do I talk? Do I circulate & monitor effectively? #ELTchat
9:30 pm	cintiastella:	From my experience as a trainee, I've learned more by observing teachers than on the teacher training course itself. #eltchat
9:30 pm	Shaunwilden:	@ErenNesrin You mean buzz ones? They come to accept it, and its good to help set up a workshop schemes etc #ELTchat
9:31 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @dreadnought001: If writing obs f'back, needs 2 be as descriptive as poss. Record what happens, not opinion ... #eltchat \| totally!
9:31 pm	cioccas:	RT @CintiaStella: ... I've learned more by observing teachers than on the teacher training course itself. #eltchat <Definitely!
9:31 pm	watson_tw:	RT @ShellTerrell: How do you feel about livestreaming your class for parents to also observe. I've seen teachers use Ustream #Eltchat
9:31 pm	teacher_prix:	RT @ELTmethods: @proch20j Yes, me too. It's me who benefits most. I want to get new ideas and see how others teach #eltchat - Yep! =)
9:31 pm	sandymillin:	Do you have one-size-fits-all observation (if you have them)? Or can teachers chose how much formal / peer they want? And when? #eltchat
9:31 pm	Teaching123abc:	Walkthroughs are a great way for administrators to see what is actually going on in the classroom. #Eltchat
9:31 pm	marekandrews:	RT @brad5patterson @Marisa_C first time I saw myself on video, immediately there were 4 things I HAD 2 change.Such a powerful tool. #eltchat
9:31 pm	Marisa_C:	@ShellTerrell @brad5patterson I still have those videos - buried in the vault!!!!! Yikes! #ELTchat
9:31 pm	DaveDodgson:	@sandymillin Lack of structure seems to be a recurring theme in this chat, both for peer observation and DoS/trainer observation #ELTchat
9:31 pm	lydbury:	RT @Teaching123abc: Walkthroughs are a great way for administrators to see what is actually going on in the classroom. #Eltchat
9:31 pm	sandymillin:	@Shaunwilden Was useful when you buzz-observed my class :) #eltchat
9:31 pm	lydbury:	Good point @DaveDodgson #ELTchat
9:32 pm	ayatawel:	@Marisa_C how is this !! would u clarify please!! #eltchat
9:32 pm	Marisa_C:	@ShellTerrell Maybe I should show them to my trainees - make them feel better abt their own observations :-) #ELTchat
9:32 pm	cgoodey:	RT @Marisa_C: @cgoodey Place saved :-) #ELTchat << Thank you :-)) I'll try to catch up...
9:32 pm	cioccas:	@sandymillin Except for observations for probation (new teachers) it's mostly inforaml #ELTchat
9:32 pm	Shaunwilden:	@sandymillin Really oh sorry but that was a school inspection so stressful all round :-) #ELTchat
9:32 pm	sandymillin:	@ShellTerrell It is the ONLY time I see the DOS in class - not just in some situations #eltchat
9:32 pm	brad5patterson:	RT Fuertesun Being observed easier than being the observer #eltchat ---> definitely harder to judge a colleague than teach as u always do!
9:32 pm	worldteacher:	I welcome any kind of constructive feedback, but draw the line at being videoed - I just can't bear to see myself on TV!! #eltchat
9:32 pm	sandymillin:	@Shaunwilden Not stressful at all - I really enjoy being observed because I always learn something! #ELTchat
9:32 pm	lydbury:	RT @sandymillin: @ShellTerrell It is the ONLY time I see the DOS in class - not just in some situations #eltchat <oops!
9:33 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @Marisa_C: @ShellTerrell Maybe I should show them to my trainees - make them feel better abt their own observations :-) #ELTchat \| nice!
9:33 pm	cioccas:	@worldteacher Me too re watching myself on video + I'm my own worst critic! #ELTchat
9:33 pm	lydbury:	Aww! @worldteacher #eltchat
9:33 pm	brad5patterson:	RT @Marisa_C: RT @cioccas: Wish I had more time to informally observe other Ts as I learn so much from it. #ELTchat
9:33 pm	proch20j:	RT @cerirhiannon: RT @lydbury: If observation is considered good idea - both should be paid #eltchat\| as DOS I would cover classes 4 Ts to peer observe
9:33 pm	JoeMcVeigh:	Difficult to have supervisor (eg DOS) observe without feeling some judgement. Always raises stress level of teacher. How to avoid? #ELTchat
9:33 pm	cioccas:	RT @DinaDobrou: @JoshSRound If only I'd been paid my first year as a teacher for all the peer observations I did! lol #ELTchat
9:33 pm	teacher_prix:	Obs with no feedback - at least a quick chat doesn't work! #ELTchat Same for no reflection afterwards...
9:33 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	@DaveDodgson @sandymillin We consistently observe for Engagement strategies for Active learning http://tinyurl.com/4m8w3pu #eltchat
9:34 pm	megbertapelle:	RT @ShellTerrell: How do you feel about livestreaming your class for parents to also observe. I've seen teachers use Ustream #Eltchat
9:34 pm	ALMODAIRES:	An online peer or group reflection to a recorded class provides great points to the table @ShellTerrell #eltchat
9:34 pm	Marisa_C:	Here is a nice post with ideas of different ways of recording info during an observation (peer or self) http://bit.ly/hRslzg #ELTchat
9:34 pm	Fuertesun:	@worldteacher Agree! can't focus on my teaching only on my stomach! #eltchat
9:34 pm	mscro1:	here in Croatia ,my collegue and I had friendly obs, we should visit each other for sth new, done it as a project, get new ideas #ELTchat
9:34 pm	nazsienkiewicz:	private meeting after obs #eltchat
9:34 pm	JoshSRound:	@DinaDobrou sounds like you did alot - did they have a good impact on you? (despite no pay!!) #eltchat
9:34 pm	Shaunwilden:	@teacher_prix No it doesnt I agree, the after chat is as imp as the obs #ELTchat
9:34 pm	brad5patterson:	RT @cioccas: RT @CintiaStella: ... I've learned more by observing teachers than on the teacher training course itself. #eltchat <Definitely!
9:34 pm	ayatawel:	#eltchat sometimes i even invite peers to obs though it's usually misunderstood !! sometimes i do with principal (when well prepared)!!!!!
9:34 pm	teacher_prix:	RT @DaveDodgson: @sandymillin Lack of structure seems to be a recurring theme in this chat, both for peer obs and DoS/trainer obs #ELTchat
9:34 pm	megbertapelle:	RT @Marisa_C: RT @brad5patterson the first time I saw myself on video, immediately there were 4 things I HAD to change. Such a powerful tool. #eltchat
9:34 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @Marisa_C: Here is a nice post with ideas of different ways of recording info during an observation (peer or self) http://bit.ly/hRslzg #ELTchat
9:34 pm	lydbury:	RT @Shaunwilden: @teacher_prix No it doesnt I agree, the after chat is as imp as the obs #ELTchat <yes
9:34 pm	cioccas:	RT @mscro1: ...my collegue and I had friendly obs, we should visit each other for sth new, ... get new ideas #ELTchat <sounds great!
9:35 pm	worldteacher:	@sandymillin In my school, you have no choice about formal obs, but you can opt out of the per obs - it's not encouraged, though. #eltchat
9:35 pm	sandymillin:	RT @Shaunwilden: #ELTchat have u tried meeting a DoS etc to talk about a lesson before and after but not having the observation
9:35 pm	cioccas:	RT @lydbury: RT @Shaunwilden: @teacher_prix No it doesnt I agree, the after chat is as imp as the obs #ELTchat <yes < Agree !
9:35 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @Shaunwilden: @teacher_prix No it doesnt I agree, the after chat is as imp as the obs #ELTchat \| obs useless without post chat
9:35 pm	mscro1:	@cioccas I agree with you, I like when we do this, but some people don't feel comfortable with this,#ELTchat
9:35 pm	brad5patterson:	@Marisa_C @ShellTerrell lost the videos when I lost my hard drive... good thing, tho! Never wanted to see them again! LOL #eltchat
9:35 pm	JoshSRound:	RT @Shaunwilden: @teacher_prix the after chat is as imp as the obs #ELTchat Agree! Need to give some time for reflection first, tho
9:35 pm	sandymillin:	@worldteacher Was thinking more of opt-in! :) #eltchat
9:35 pm	Fuertesun:	RT @cerirhiannon: RT @Shaunwilden: @teacher_prix No it doesnt I agree, the after chat is as imp as the obs #ELTchat \| obs useless without post chat
9:35 pm	Marisa_C:	@cgoodey HI Carol! Dizzy with obserrvatons #ELTchat
9:35 pm	marekandrews:	Good collegial observation is probably the most powerful tool in PD #eltchat
9:35 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	@JoeMcVeigh I think if observation were on multiple occasions, supervisor would see progress, or be able to pinpoint problem #eltchat
9:35 pm	Marisa_C:	@brad5patterson I kind of avoid mine too :-) #eltchat
9:36 pm	ELTmethods:	@JoeMcVeigh #eltchat because DOS always evaluate but obs is about development. it shd be dealt with fellow teachers.
9:36 pm	brad5patterson:	@sandymillin @Shaunwilden I agree 100%. If I could be observed weekly, more power to improvement! :) #eltchat
9:36 pm	lydbury:	: -) @cioccas #ELTchat
9:36 pm	cioccas:	@mscro1 Has to be mutual agreement and comfort, of course! :-) #ELTchat
9:36 pm	Shaunwilden:	@JoshSRound yes though 'hot' reflections also good if a little fueled by emtion #ELTchat
9:36 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @JoshSRound: RT @Shaunwilden: @teacher_prix after chat.. #ELTchat Need to give some time for reflection first, tho \| for both sides
9:36 pm	ayatawel:	@ShellTerrell NO!! parents' obs is not nice at all !! it won't even be useful !! #eltchat
9:36 pm	proch20j:	very tough to find some1 to cover a class in order to observe other teachers. I haven't done so since internship, but I'd love to. #eltchat
9:36 pm	waykatewit:	@CintiaStella>learned more by observing than on the teacher training course - Yes - and obs. must precede a training course! #ELTchat
9:36 pm	sandymillin:	RT @dreadnought001: If writing obs f'back, needs 2 be as descriptive as poss. Record what happens, not your opinion of what happens #eltchat
9:37 pm	Fuertesun:	@ayatawel I think letting p¡rents see what goes on in class grt idea OPEN DOOR policy #eltchat
9:37 pm	Shaunwilden:	@proch20j Can you not combine classes with another tchr and observe each other? #ELTchat
9:37 pm	sandymillin:	RT @CintiaStella: From my experience as a trainee, I've learned more by observing teachers than on the teacher training course #eltchat <me2
9:37 pm	worldteacher:	@sandymillin Sorry, that should have been peer obs - typo!! #eltchat
9:37 pm	lydbury:	Good one @Shaunwilden #ELTchat
9:37 pm	marekandrews:	@teacher_prix good to make sure you have at least an hour after a lesson to discuss over tea/coffee/wine or whatever.#eltchat
9:37 pm	JoshSRound:	RT @Shaunwilden: @JoshSRound 'hot' reflections also good if a little fueled by emtion #ELTchat Not thought of that - but not too 'hot'!!
9:37 pm	lydbury:	Nice @Fuertesun #eltchat
9:38 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @Shaunwilden: @JoshSRound yes though 'hot' reflections also good if a little fueled by emtion #ELTchat \| for letting off steam
9:38 pm	sandymillin:	@Marisa_C Think that might be a good idea! If observee knows how observer feels, can help a lot! #ELTchat
9:38 pm	dreadnought001:	Would b great if teachers cd video a lesson & then share with others on the web. Rare 2 see real classes on the net :-) I'd be game #eltchat
9:38 pm	waykatewit:	@JoeMcVeigh I don't think that should be avoided. Friendly feedback over a cup of tea... less stress with each ovservation #ELTchat
9:38 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @brad5patterson: interesting to have parent's awareness, but often, they're not the best to give pedagogical advice either #eltchat
9:38 pm	cioccas:	RT @Shaunwilden: @proch20j ...combine classes with another tchr & observe each other? #ELTchat < Obs on joint excursions can be valuable too
9:38 pm	Marisa_C:	There is a series of excellent videos on Teachers TV called "From Good to Outstanding" showing how obs can be constructive #ELTchat
9:38 pm	DinaDobrou:	@JoshSRound I did indeed & they gave me an insight of what was expected.Seeing other Ts' Do's and Don'ts & then discussing w/ DoS. #ELTchat
9:38 pm	JoeMcVeigh:	Useful resources: Wajnyrab: Classroom Obs Tasks (CUP); Allwright: Obs in the Lang Classroom (Longman=Pearson) #ELTchat
9:38 pm	sandymillin:	@worldteacher What about just recording the sound? Even that might highlight some things for you - you don't have to see it! #eltchat
9:38 pm	ShellTerrell:	I've met DOS like that before :( RT @sandymillin: It is the ONLY time I see the DOS in class - not just in some situations #eltchat
9:39 pm	JoshSRound:	@DinaDobrou Sounds very valuable #eltchat
9:39 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	@dreadnought001 think there are FERPA issues on posting live classrooms on the web #eltchat
9:39 pm	ErenNesrin:	@ShellTerrell not really sure. parents may not be objective as it's their child they're watching #eltchat
9:39 pm	Shaunwilden:	@cerirhiannon @JoshSRound #ELTchat Yes for steam letting off and a chance to quickly point out why thing devi? (cont) http://deck.ly/~7dgxM
9:39 pm	marekandrews:	@Shaunwilden and the afterchat is good methodology input #eltchat
9:39 pm	sandymillin:	RT @mscro1: here in Croatia ,my collegue and I had friendly obs, we should visit each other for sth new, done it as a project, get new ideas #ELTchat
9:39 pm	ALiCe__M:	@Marisa_C yes but also showing how subjective the word "outstanding" can be! #eltchat
9:39 pm	brad5patterson:	RT @dreadnought001: Would b great if teachers cd video a lesson & then share with others on the web. Rare 2 see real classes on the net :-) I'd be game #eltchat
9:40 pm	DinaDobrou:	@JoshSRound @Shaunwilden @teacher_prix You mean ask the Ts first what THEY thought of their lesson? #ELTchat
9:40 pm	ShellTerrell:	What should be part of an effective teacher observation? #ELTChat
9:40 pm	cgoodey:	@Marisa_C Yeah! Don't think I'll be able to catch up. Too many distractions around here! Think I'll have to wait for the transcript #ELTchat
9:40 pm	ShellTerrell:	@Marisa_C I'd like to see them as a former trainee ;-) LOL #Eltchat
9:40 pm	Beyza:	RT @ISILBOY: RT @DaveDodgson: New blog post: Notes from the Yellow Brick Road - Silent scenes http://bit.ly/dXJDH6 #ELTchat
9:40 pm	sandymillin:	RT @Becky_Ellis_: @JoeMcVeigh I think if observation were on multiple occasions, supervisor would see progress, or be able to pinpoint problem #eltchat
9:40 pm	Marisa_C:	@dreadnought001:Obs feedback which is purely descriptive u mean and not judgemental? #ELTchat
9:40 pm	MahomedyHussein:	RT @ShellTerrell: RT @SylviaEllison: I use "blank" forms with 2 columns - "Teacher does ...." "Students do ..." Focus then is on student learning. #eltchat
9:40 pm	waykatewit:	#ELTchat @Fuertesun @ayatawel this is dangerous, though - parents are not trained teachers - diff. philosophy
9:40 pm	worldteacher:	@dreadnought001 Surely the point of feedback is to get the professional opinion of the observer, not just a record of what you did? #eltchat
9:40 pm	ELTmethods:	@cerirhiannon it may be for a DOS but for the teacher it's different. There is a huge power difference that DOS can't hide. #eltchat
9:40 pm	ShellTerrell:	Nice idea! RT @almodaires: An online peer or group reflection to a recorded class provides great points to the table #eltchat
9:40 pm	ayatawel:	#eltchat I feel it's hard to follow the chat, suddenly i find 20 tweets !!any help for a new user !!
9:40 pm	cioccas:	Have we discussed learners' reactions to teacher observations, does their behaviour change? #ELTchat
9:40 pm	Shaunwilden:	@DinaDobrou Yes of course, I would always do that be iit hot or cold evaluation only fair to get their ideas #ELTchat
9:41 pm	sandymillin:	Does anybody's school provide / encourage video obs of non-school teachers? #eltchat We only have when on courses
9:41 pm	Marisa_C:	@ShellTerrell In the dead of night and after a few drinks, I might show them to you one day :-) #Eltchat
9:41 pm	waykatewit:	#ELTchat @ShellTerrell @brad5patterson > Agree!
9:41 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	@ShellTerrell pre and post conferences, observations should also align to either teacher set goals or instruct. focus of school #eltchat
9:41 pm	JoeMcVeigh:	Also recommend: Allwright/Bailey: Focus on the Lang Classroom (CUP); Bailey: Lang T Supervision (CUP) #ELTChat
9:41 pm	JoshSRound:	@DinaDobrou @Shaunwilden @teacher_prix That is how I start the feedback, yes >> get Ts views on how it went #eltchat
9:41 pm	teacher_prix:	We're piloting a 'new' methodology and I had to obs and give feedback to Ts- it was nice. Still, I'm afraid of how ppl take fdback #ELTchat
9:41 pm	Fuertesun:	@waykatewit they can think what they like! I'm trained and I know what I'm doing is more or less right! #ELTchat
9:41 pm	cioccas:	@ayatawel Alwasy hard to follow, I just try to keep up with the flow and ead transcript later for what I miss #ELTchat
9:41 pm	ELTmethods:	Should we feed back directly after obs or wait some time? What are your thoughts #eltchat
9:42 pm	Marisa_C:	@cgoodey no worries - catch up when u can - do try to join next time #ELTchat
9:42 pm	ShellTerrell:	@Marisa_C In the dead of night after a few drinks I'm so hoping I won't be asking to see your former observations :-) LOL #eltchat
9:42 pm	shaznosel:	@ShellTerrell #eltchat effective and constuctive feedback is essential, so the question arises who is worthy of observing?
9:42 pm	sandymillin:	RT @dreadnought001: Would b great if teachers cd video a lesson & then share on web. :-) I'd be game #eltchat <me2
9:42 pm	dreadnought001:	@Becky_Ellis_ FERPA? #eltchat
9:42 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	@dreadnought001 student privacy rules http://tinyurl.com/y8stkbw #eltchat
9:42 pm	nazsienkiewicz:	Analytical rather than descriptive perhaps #ELTchat
9:42 pm	ShellTerrell:	Great question! RT @shaznosel: #eltchat effective and constuctive feedback is essential, so the question arises who is worthy of observing?
9:42 pm	JoshSRound:	RT @ELTmethods: Should we feed back directly after obs or wait some time? #eltchat >> I prefer some reflection time; good for both IMO
9:42 pm	Fuertesun:	@ayatawel Hi I'm having the same problem tonite! #eltchat
9:42 pm	waykatewit:	What should be part of an effective teacher observation? @ShellTerrell Good observation form :) #ELTchat
9:42 pm	Koronkina:	RT @Marisa_C: Here is a nice post with ideas of different ways of recording info during an observation (peer or self) http://bit.ly/hRslzg #ELTchat
9:42 pm	angieconti:	RT @sandymillin: RT @dreadnought001: Would b great if teachers cd video a lesson & then share on web. :-) I'd be game #eltchat <me2
9:42 pm	teacher_prix:	@DinaDobrou @JoshSRound @Shaunwilden Not just ask, but trigger some thinking... Self-evaluation... #ELTchat
9:42 pm	ALMODAIRES:	RT @ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @almodaires: Recorded observation may solves many of the obstacles. It also provide several analytic options #eltchat
9:42 pm	ShellTerrell:	Yes! RT @Becky_Ellis_: pre/post confs, observations should also align to either teacher set goals or instruct. focus of school #eltchat
9:42 pm	cioccas:	RT @DaveDodgson: @cioccas My YLs definitely do - they are much quieter & reserved when someone else is in the room ... #ELTchat
9:43 pm	brad5patterson:	@ShellTerrell connection w/ students. % of teacher-student speaking are very important 4 me #eltchat
9:43 pm	ALMODAIRES:	RT @ShellTerrell: Nice idea! RT @almodaires: An online peer or group reflection to a recorded class provides great points to the table #eltchat
9:43 pm	cerirhiannon:	@ELTmethods OK / but think approachable DOS can lessen the gap eg DELTA candidates invited me in for opinion not evaluation #eltchat
9:43 pm	ayatawel:	@Fuertesun #eltchat but opens a door to non specialists who think onle emotionally as it concerns their kids !!
9:43 pm	JoeMcVeigh:	@ELTmethods: I think sooner is better than later. Class is still fresh in memory. #ELTchat
9:43 pm	ShellTerrell:	I like these! RT @brad5patterson: connection w/ students. % of teacher-student speaking are very important 4 me #eltchat
9:43 pm	Shaunwilden:	@JoshSRound @ELTmethods waiting for both to reflect is best IMO #ELTchat
9:43 pm	brad5patterson:	@Marisa_C @ShellTerrell haha! glad I lost mine then :) #eltchat
9:43 pm	teacher_prix:	RT @Becky_Ellis_: @JoeMcVeigh I think if obs were on multiple occasions, supervisor would see progress, or pinpoint problem #eltchat
9:43 pm	ErenNesrin:	@ELTmethods I think both the TT and the T should sleep on it for at least 2 days- T needs some time for reflection #eltchat
9:43 pm	sandymillin:	@ayatawel Try using a client like Tweetdeck, Tweetgrid, Hootsuite or online tool like tweetchat - all useful! #eltchat
9:44 pm	Marisa_C:	@ELTmethods Advantages for both immediate and delayed comments #eltchat
9:44 pm	cioccas:	@DaveDodgson Tough when you have discipline issues all the time except when being observed, that's what I need help with most :) #ELTchat
9:44 pm	waykatewit:	learners' reactions to observations, behaviour change?@cioccas It might,but if the lesson is good, ss forget about observer soon #ELTchat
9:44 pm	DinaDobrou:	@cioccas It is totally transformed I think. I find them more focused as they feel it's for them. #ELTchat
9:44 pm	brad5patterson:	RT @ShellTerrell: Great question! RT @shaznosel: #eltchat effective and constuctive feedback is essential, so the question arises who is worthy of observing?
9:44 pm	Shaunwilden:	@ErenNesrin 2 days would be a bit long for me, the next day if possible. #ELTchat
9:44 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	@waykatewit as long as it is known... that has to make it a decent observation form. What makes a bad observation form? #eltchat
9:44 pm	JoeMcVeigh:	@brad5patterson: How do you measure/assess/observe "connection with students"? #ELTchat
9:44 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @ELTmethods: Should we feed back directly after obs or wait some time? #eltchat \| v brief immediate fb then l8r fb w more reflection
9:44 pm	cioccas:	@ErenNesrin Agree, and good to share and compare reflections too. #ELTchat
9:44 pm	ELTmethods:	@cerirhiannon Agree :-) they also have experience teachers should be able to benefit from #eltchat
9:44 pm	sandymillin:	@ELTmethods Think feedback should be within a couple of days where poss. Some TT find it just as stressful to wait #eltchat
9:45 pm	ShellTerrell:	After the observation what is the most effective way for your observer to provide feedback? #Eltchat
9:45 pm	DaveDodgson:	@ShellTerrell @shaznosel Any observer can give feedback - had a new teacher observe me this year & got useful insight from his PoV #ELTchat
9:45 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @JoshSRound: RT @ELTmethods: Should we feed back directly after obs or wait some time? #eltchat >> I prefer some reflection time; good for both IMO
9:45 pm	marekandrews:	RT @JoeMcVeigh Also recommend: Allwright/Bailey: Focus on the Lang Classroom (CUP); Bailey: Lang T Supervision (CUP) #ELTChat gr8 book!
9:45 pm	JoshSRound:	RT @ShellTerrell: After the observation what is the most effective way for your observer to provide feedback? #Eltchat
9:45 pm	mscro1:	@ayatawel haha have same problems here,I am proud of myself to actually participate in this chat #ELTchat
9:45 pm	brad5patterson:	RT @cioccas: @DaveDodgson Tough when you have discipline issues all the time except when being observed, that's what I need help with most :) #ELTchat
9:45 pm	sandymillin:	RT @cerirhiannon: @ELTmethods OK / but think approachable DOS can lessen the gap eg DELTA candidates invited me in for opinion not evaluation #eltchat
9:45 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	@brad5patterson some observations I am asked just to track number of positive to negative interactions btwn students and teachers. #eltchat
9:45 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @shaznosel Any observer can give feedback - had a new teacher observe me this year & got useful insight from his PoV #ELTchat agreed
9:45 pm	Fuertesun:	@ayatawel easier in a private lang school setting rather than public #eltchat
9:45 pm	waykatewit:	RT @cioccas: Have we discussed learners' reactions to teacher observations, does their behaviour change? #ELTchat
9:46 pm	DinaDobrou:	@teacher_prix I think if they get sth valuable they can make use of when next time in class they will come back for more. #ELTchat
9:46 pm	teacher_prix:	RT @JoeMcVeigh: @ELTmethods: I think sooner is better than later. Class is still fresh in memory. #ELTchat
9:46 pm	irishteach:	@ShellTerrell @shaznosel it needs to be someone with experience in that content/grade level if going to give valuable feedback #eltchat
9:46 pm	DaveDodgson:	@ShellTerrell To first let you talk about the lesson, then ask about/comment on what you think #ELTchat
9:46 pm	brad5patterson:	@JoeMcVeigh very subtle. That's more feeling and subjective. As an observer it's obvious to me, but to quantify it would be hard #eltchat
9:46 pm	yohimar:	The observer should know the group first RT @ShellTerrell: What should be part of an effective teacher observation? #ELTChat
9:46 pm	DaveDodgson:	RT @ShellTerrell: After the observation what is the most effective way for your observer to provide feedback? #Eltchat
9:46 pm	Fuertesun:	RT @Shaunwilden: RT @shaznosel Any observer can give feedback - had a new teacher observe me this year & got useful insight from his PoV #ELTchat agreed
9:46 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @Shaunwilden: @ErenNesrin 2 days would be a bit long for me, the next day if possible. #ELTchat \| agree
9:46 pm	sandymillin:	@cioccas So maybe this is where video could help w/ SS permission. Maybe u cud show SS the vid too - they might not b happy! #ELTchat
9:46 pm	ShellTerrell:	@SylviaEllison I don't like if it's in front of others & if it becomes an embarrass "me" fest which has happened :( #Eltchat
9:46 pm	BethCagnol:	I'm such a know-notin' when it comes to teacher observation. U all inspire me. Will read transcript tomorrow. G-nite. #ELTCHAT
9:46 pm	brad5patterson:	RT @Becky_Ellis_: @brad5patterson some observations I am asked just to track number of positive to negative interactions btwn students and teachers. #eltchat
9:47 pm	DinaDobrou:	RT @ELTmethods: Should we feed back directly after obs or wait some time? What are your thoughts #eltchat > As a T, I wld like immed. after
9:47 pm	marekandrews:	@sandymillin shouldn't feedback take place on the same day otherwise too much is forgotten? #eltchat
9:47 pm	ShellTerrell:	agree! RT @irishteach: it needs to be someone with experience in that content/grade level if going to give valuable feedback #eltchat
9:47 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @Shaunwilden: RT @shaznosel Any observer can give feedback - had a new teacher observe me this year & got useful insight from his PoV #ELTchat agreed
9:47 pm	sandymillin:	@JoeMcVeigh Think 'rapport' can be a holy grail for some TT - they know it's not there, and difficult to force it #ELTchat
9:47 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @ShellTerrell: After the observation what is the most effective way for observer to provide feedback? #Eltchat > in a peer situation?
9:47 pm	ShellTerrell:	I like when they provide resources suggestions for improving but not just a blanket "not satisfactory" #eltchat
9:47 pm	teacher_prix:	RT @Marisa_C: @ELTmethods Advantages for both immediate and delayed comments #eltchat - True...!!
9:47 pm	waykatewit:	@Becky_Ellis_ What makes a bad observation form > too detailed as well as too superficial - bad forms - eg #ELTchat
9:47 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @irishteach: @ShellTerrell @shaznosel it needs to be someone with experience in that content/grade level #eltchat\| not necessarily
9:47 pm	dreadnought001:	In f'back, 1st thing I get T's to do for a few mins is let off steam, get things off chest, helps them then look clearer at lesson #eltchat
9:47 pm	Shaunwilden:	The question we voted on was how can make them less stressful and more part of PD, so what advice would we give teachers? #ELTchat
9:48 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @SylviaEllison: F2F but Private ... before/after school, during planning/conference period ... had 1 at a coffee shop #eltchat
9:48 pm	sandymillin:	@marekandrews Depends - if obs lesson finishes at 19:45 after long day, I don't really want fb then. If notes detailed -no prob l8r #eltchat
9:48 pm	brad5patterson:	@bethcagnol bonne nuit, beth :) #eltchat
9:48 pm	DaveDodgson:	@ShellTerrell Like when we give feedback to our students! ;) #ELTchat
9:48 pm	sandymillin:	RT @cerirhiannon: RT @ELTmethods: Should we feed back directly after obs or wait some time? #eltchat \| v brief immediate fb then l8r fb w more reflection
9:48 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	@sandymillin I email teacher I observed with only the positive things I saw...then invite them to review their data #eltchat
9:48 pm	Fuertesun:	@Shaunwilden diff q #ELTchat
9:48 pm	sandymillin:	RT @DaveDodgson: @ShellTerrell @shaznosel Any observer can give feedback - had a new teacher observe me this year & got useful insight from his PoV #ELTchat
9:48 pm	ShellTerrell:	@DaveDodgson Thats what I do! I offer them websites on the wiki even their parents are given suggestions #Eltchat
9:48 pm	DinaDobrou:	@shaznosel @ShellTerrell Sb experienced who has been observed himself & given feedback & knows how to bring the best out of the T. #ELTchat
9:48 pm	antoniabarkley:	Just poking my head in. But, does your admin observe your STUDENT teachers? #eltchat
9:48 pm	Marisa_C:	Also feedback is usually soulsearching & well, heavy. Make it e bit more lighthearted - here is an example http://bit.ly/gc7vgg #ELTchat
9:48 pm	JoshSRound:	@ShellTerrell After Ts own reflections, I try to highlight aspects which may not been 'successful' then discuss alternatives #eltchat
9:48 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @JoshSRound: After Ts own reflections, I try to highlight aspects which may not been 'successful' then discuss alternatives #eltchat
9:48 pm	waykatewit:	#ELTchat can we ask the teachers comment on own lesson at feedback prior to making any comments?
9:48 pm	sandymillin:	@Becky_Ellis_ And what are positive / negative interactions? #eltchat
9:49 pm	Fuertesun:	@Shaunwilden What doesn't kill u makes u stronger! #ELTchat
9:49 pm	ShellTerrell:	Gr8 pt! RT @DinaDobrou: Sb experienced who has been observed himself & given feedback & knows how to bring the best out of the T. #ELTchat
9:49 pm	cioccas:	I've had usually talkative adults learners go quiet when I'M being observed in case THEY say the wrong thing, out of loyalty to me! #ELTchat
9:49 pm	mscro1:	obs more positive than negative sides #ELTchat
9:49 pm	brad5patterson:	@Shaunwilden For observer and teacher to chat for a few minutes before class, that way it feels more open, and less judgmental #eltchat
9:49 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @angieconti: allow teacher to guide what they feel they need feedback/comments on #eltchat
9:49 pm	Shaunwilden:	@Fuertesun Haha thats great adivce I'll use that next school inpect I do :-) #ELTchat
9:49 pm	ShellTerrell:	Yes! RT @marekandrews: the most effective feedback will ALWAYS encourage the observed teacher to want to teach better #eltchat
9:50 pm	ShellTerrell:	Do you tend to teach in an observation to meet needs of observer or is it your true teaching style? #ELTChat
9:50 pm	ELTmethods:	@Yohimar many options depending on your needs http://bit.ly/gvDkuz #eltchat
9:50 pm	sandymillin:	RT @dreadnought001: In f'back, 1st thing I get T's to do for a few mins is let off steam, get things off chest, helps them then look clearer at lesson #eltchat
9:50 pm	Marisa_C:	@sandymillin Good point - anyone can make a comment of value to you #ELTchat
9:50 pm	shaznosel:	@DaveDodgson @ShellTerrell #eltchat Great idea but in reality, it's always the ''experienced' one who watches..
9:50 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	@sandymillin usually positive is praise of appropriate student behavior i.e. I like how quickly Suzie started the assignment #eltchat
9:50 pm	marekandrews:	@ShellTerrell the most effective feedback will ALWAYS encourage the observed teacher to want to teach better #eltchat
9:50 pm	DaveDodgson:	@brad5patterson @Shaunwilden Also important to have the observer say 'hi' to the class before it starts #ELTchat
9:50 pm	brad5patterson:	RT @ShellTerrell: Yes! RT @marekandrews: the most effective feedback will ALWAYS encourage the observed teacher to want to teach better #eltchat
9:50 pm	ErenNesrin:	@cioccas exactly! Also, having T reflect first can show how aware s/he is & enable TT decide what to mention/focus on in detail. #eltchat
9:51 pm	sandymillin:	@Shaunwilden Discuss what you expect as observer and observee b4 the obs - if every1 knows outcome, shd be <stress #ELTchat
9:51 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @brad5patterson: For observer and teacher to chat for a few minutes before class, that way it feels more open & less judgmental #eltchat
9:51 pm	cerirhiannon:	maybe hold a PD workshop session to air the issues and make sure everyone-s sure with how and why the obs are done #eltchat
9:51 pm	JoshSRound:	RT @brad5patterson: @Shaunwilden For observer and teacher to chat for a few minutes before class, that way it feels more open, and less judgmental #eltchat
9:51 pm	DaveDodgson:	RT @cerirhiannon: maybe hold a PD workshop session to air the issues and make sure everyone-s sure with how and why the obs are done #eltchat
9:51 pm	waykatewit:	@cioccas If SS react in this way next time I tell them I'm valued by my boss so theyy will not let me down & should relax #ELTchat
9:51 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	RT @waykatewit: #ELTchat can we ask the teachers comment on own lesson at feedback prior to making any comments? <--Wow!
9:51 pm	Fuertesun:	We should perhaps be giving advice to the observers rather than those being observed #eltchat
9:51 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @cerirhiannon: maybe hold a PD workshop session to air the issues -make sure everyone-s sure with how and why the obs are done #eltchat
9:51 pm	DaveDodgson:	RT @Fuertesun: We should perhaps be giving advice to the observers rather than those being observed #eltchat
9:51 pm	shaznosel:	@ShellTerrell #eltchat. Always my style..then I await the criticism..then change these points. style is style baby!
9:51 pm	teacher_prix:	I think taking into account the experience the tT has is impt when giving fdback, whe shouldnt demand tooooo much from fnew Ts... #ELTchat
9:51 pm	MagistraM:	I rarely am observed by admin w/ experience in my field. Good pedagogy can be observed regardless of target language. #eltchat
9:51 pm	DinaDobrou:	RT @ShellTerrell: Do you tend to teach in an observation to meet needs of observer or is it your true teaching style? #ELTChat> Good quest!
9:51 pm	brad5patterson:	@ShellTerrell I tend to teach as I alwys do, but sometimes its a bit more entertaining when there's an observer. Lighten things up! #eltchat
9:51 pm	waykatewit:	RT @ShellTerrell: Yes! RT @marekandrews: the most effective feedback will ALWAYS encourage the observed teacher to want to teach better #eltchat
9:52 pm	Shaunwilden:	@cerirhiannon Thats really good advice, we do them at the start of the school year #eltchat
9:52 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @Fuertesun: We should perhaps be giving advice to the observers rather than observed #eltchat \| agree, they have more effect on the sit
9:52 pm	englishbanana:	RT @BethCagnol: I'm such a know-notin' when it comes to teacher observation. U all inspire me. Will read transcript tomorrow. G-nite. #ELTCHAT
9:52 pm	brad5patterson:	RT @DaveDodgson: @brad5patterson @Shaunwilden Also important to have the observer say 'hi' to the class before it starts #ELTchat
9:52 pm	englishbanana:	RT @ShellTerrell: After the observation what is the most effective way for your observer to provide feedback? #Eltchat
9:52 pm	mylatinteacher:	@ShellTerrell Shouldn't we always be teaching to meet the needs of the students, regardless of who's in the classroom. #ELTchat
9:52 pm	JoeMcVeigh:	What was your most positive observation experience? What was good/helpful about it? #ELTchat
9:52 pm	dreadnought001:	When giving fb, describe what you saw the Ss doing and saying, not the teacher. #eltchat
9:52 pm	sandymillin:	@ShellTerrell Nothing changes (I hope!) - all my lessons are prepared the same #ELTChat
9:52 pm	Koronkina:	RT @ELTmethods: @Yohimar many options depending on your needs http://bit.ly/gvDkuz #eltchat
9:52 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @Fuertesun: We should perhaps be giving advice to the observers rather than those being observed #eltchat > it's a skill too
9:52 pm	Shaunwilden:	@Fuertesun I think a lot of it can be applied to both #eltchat
9:52 pm	Ellsbeth:	@ShellTerrell I think if nothing else, you need to have your own purpose. Whether you put that on paper or not is optional. #eltchat
9:52 pm	marekandrews:	if the observed teacher knows that you CARE 100% about their teaching then you can have a very honest discussion #eltchat
9:52 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	@sandymillin negative teacher feedback might be, you didn't listen at all to the directions, go and sit down! (yep heard that!) #eltchat
9:52 pm	Fuertesun:	@ShellTerrell that's a good question if maybe we should just teach and not overplan #ELTChat
9:52 pm	gkpdnewyork:	RT @ShellTerrell Do you tend to teach in an observation to meet needs of observer or is it your true teaching style? #ELTChat> EXACTLY!
9:52 pm	englishbanana:	RT @DaveDodgson: In my school, same problems for peer ob exists as for any form of PD - it takes up teacher's precious free time... #ELTchat
9:52 pm	sandymillin:	RT @DaveDodgson: @brad5patterson @Shaunwilden Also important to have the observer say 'hi' to the class before it starts #ELTchat
9:52 pm	englishbanana:	RT @marekandrews: one of the most powerful tools in PD is to get somebody to film you+then watch it both on your own+ with sb u like #eltchat
9:52 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @marekandrews: if the observed teacher knows that you CARE 100% about their teaching then you can have a very honest discussion #eltchat
9:52 pm	angieconti:	RT @Fuertesun: We should perhaps be giving advice to the observers rather than those being observed #eltchat
9:52 pm	DinaDobrou:	@ShellTerrell I've observed classes where Ts changed their approach and it was sooo obvious by the sts reactions! Be yourself! #ELTchat
9:52 pm	ErenNesrin:	RT @DaveDodgson: @brad5patterson @Shaunwilden Also important to have the observer say 'hi' to the class before it starts #ELTchat
9:53 pm	JoshSRound:	@sandymillin I ask Ts to choose areas they wd like to have FB on - gets them involved in process & emphasizes the developmental #eltchat
9:53 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @Marisa_C: RT @marekandrews: if the observed teacher knows that you CARE 100% about their teaching then you can have a very honest discussion #eltchat
9:53 pm	cioccas:	I find it hard NOT to include the observer in the lesson somehow, can't resist having a new voice for my adult Ss to engage with #ELTchat
9:53 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @JoshSRound: @sandymillin I ask Ts to choose areas they wd like to have FB on - gets them involved in process & emphasizes the developmental #eltchat
9:53 pm	waykatewit:	@Becky_Ellis_ yes - as they start reflecting on own work, without becoming defensive #ELTchat
9:53 pm	ShellTerrell:	Yes! RT @mylatinteacher: Shouldn't we always be teaching to meet the needs of the students, regardless of who's in the classroom. #ELTchat
9:53 pm	familysimpson:	RT @Marisa_C: RT @marekandrews: if the observed teacher knows that you CARE 100% about their teaching then you can have a very honest discussion #eltchat
9:53 pm	DaveDodgson:	@brad5patterson @ShellTerrell Oh yes - have some fun with the observer! Puts the students at ease (& catches the 'guest' off guard) #ELTchat
9:53 pm	teacher_prix:	@ShellTerrell I pleased an observer once - he was bugging me around with drills so drilled the way he wanted not my way =/ #ELTChat
9:53 pm	Marisa_C:	@DinaDobrou Yes! "now close your books; today we'll do something different!" #ELTchat
9:53 pm	cerirhiannon:	@JoeMcVeigh peer teaching with v different levels / we ot so much out of it , Ts, Ss , working w a T w very different t-ing style #eltchat
9:53 pm	sandymillin:	@Fuertesun How many observers are given guidance on how to give feedback before doing first formal obs? #eltchat
9:54 pm	cioccas:	RT @waykatewit: @cioccas If SS react in this way ... I tell them I'm valued ... so they will not let me down & should relax #ELTchat <THX!
9:54 pm	TheBobPikeGroup:	RT @Marisa_C: RT @brad5patterson the first time I saw myself on video, immediately there were 4 things I HAD to change. Such a powerful tool. #eltchat
9:54 pm	Fuertesun:	@Marisa_C def a skill being askilled observer I can observe a class but I'm not good at giving feedback #eltchat
9:54 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @Marisa_C: @DinaDobrou Yes! "now close your books; today we'll do something different!" #ELTchat haha seen that quite a bit :-)
9:54 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @dreadnought001: describe what you saw the Ss doing and saying, not the teacher. #eltchat \| nice / gr8 starting point for post obs chat
9:54 pm	ShellTerrell:	@DaveDodgson I'm waiting to observe @brad5patterson teach & he breakout with some beatboxing with his students ;-) #eltchat
9:54 pm	brad5patterson:	RT @DaveDodgson: @brad5patterson @ShellTerrell Oh yes - have some fun with the observer! Puts the students at ease (& catches the 'guest' off guard) #ELTchat
9:54 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @marekandrews: if the observed teacher knows that you CARE 100% about their teaching then you can have a very honest discussion #eltchat
9:54 pm	shaznosel:	@ShellTerrell @DinaDobrou #eltchat. Agree that until you have been observed yourself, you don't feel worthy of observing others..
9:54 pm	bcnpaul1:	RT @Fuertesun: We should perhaps be giving advice to the observers rather than those being observed #eltchat
9:54 pm	Fuertesun:	@sandymillin good q Sandy like @Marisa_C says it's a SKILL #eltchat
9:54 pm	sandymillin:	RT @marekandrews: if the observed teacher knows that you CARE 100% about their teaching then you can have a very honest discussion #eltchat
9:54 pm	ShellTerrell:	@teacher_prix I'm guilty too! Thankfully the Principal didn't return the next year #Eltchat
9:55 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @DaveDodgson: @brad5patterson @ShellTerrell Oh yes - have some fun with the observer! Puts the students at ease (& catches the 'guest' off guard) #ELTchat
9:55 pm	brad5patterson:	@ShellTerrell @DaveDodgson only when I bring the guitar in, or we do a hip hop verse in class to study ebonics. LOL #eltchat
9:55 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	@ShellTerrell sadly some teachers don't even try to change anything for evaluation...makes it hard for PD when there is resistance #eltchat
9:55 pm	ayatawel:	@Marisa_C we should get used to it, make it regular, give effective advice !! #eltchat
9:55 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @cioccas: I find it hard NOT to include the observer in the lesson somehow, can't resist having a new voice for my adult Ss to engage with #ELTchat
9:55 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @ayatawel: @Marisa_C we should get used to it, make it regular, give effective advice !! #eltchat
9:55 pm	JoshSRound:	@sandymillin @Fuertesun Observers are usually also doing teacher-training, first they shadow colleagues to gain experience #eltchat
9:55 pm	Fuertesun:	@sandymillin I'd be terrible I'm way too crtical. Myself included #eltchat
9:55 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @Becky_Ellis_: sadly some teachers don't even try to change anything 4 evaluation, makes it hard for PD when theres resistance #eltchat
9:55 pm	DaveDodgson:	@ShellTerrell @brad5patterson Ustream that observation when it happens! =D #ELTchat
9:56 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @shaznosel: @ShellTerrell @DinaDobrou #eltchat. Agree that until you have been observed yourself, you don'? (cont) http://deck.ly/~51Kqi
9:56 pm	marekandrews:	http://www.ten.edu.uy/IMG/pdf/Research_on_Peer_Observation.pdf #eltchat
9:56 pm	waykatewit:	@cioccas Oh yes - and as an observer I can't help wanting to jump in and participate! I do sometimes! lol #ELTchat
9:56 pm	ErenNesrin:	@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C @DinaDobrou oh yes, have seen that 2. Have also seen, "we have a trainer today, so be good Ss". #eltchat
9:56 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	RT @marekandrews: if the observed teacher knows that you CARE 100% about their teaching then you can have a very honest discussion #eltchat
9:56 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @ayatawel: @Marisa_C we should get used to it, make it regular, give effective advice !! #eltchat > agree
9:56 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @Becky_Ellis_: RT @marekandrews: if the observed teacher knows that you CARE 100% about their teaching then you can have a very honest discussion #eltchat
9:56 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @sandymillin: @Fuertesun How many observersgiven guidance on how to give fb #eltchat \| we learn from others examples, mistakes
9:56 pm	brad5patterson:	@Fuertesun @sandymillin I'd rather have critical than nothing... wanna come to class Leahn? :) #eltchat
9:56 pm	bcnpaul1:	Unobserved obs are always. Good option. Plan with sbdy else then reflect w/ that person after class #eltchat
9:56 pm	lydbury:	RT @Marisa_C: RT @ayatawel: @Marisa_C we should get used to it, make it regular, give effective advice !! #eltchat > agree <and me
9:56 pm	Marisa_C:	@ayatawel T-observation should become part of the culture of every school #eltchat
9:56 pm	DinaDobrou:	@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Or when the T suddenly decides to use English and sts look totally lost. #ELTchat
9:56 pm	sandymillin:	RT @brad5patterson: @Fuertesun @sandymillin I'd rather have critical than nothing... wanna come to class Leahn? :) #eltchat <2nded!
9:56 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	RT @JoshSRound: I ask Ts to choose areas they wd like to have FB on - gets them involved in process & emphasizes the developmental #eltchat
9:57 pm	angieconti:	RT @bcnpaul1: Unobserved obs are always. Good option. Plan with sbdy else then reflect w/ that person after class #eltchat
9:57 pm	cioccas:	RT @Marisa_C: @ayatawel T-observation should become part of the culture of every school #eltchat < Yes!
9:57 pm	brad5patterson:	@DaveDodgson @ShellTerrell fer shizzle. #eltchat
9:57 pm	JoeMcVeigh:	RT @Fuertesun: I'm way too crtical. Myself included #eltchat > A problem, this for many of us. But need to be kind to self, others to grow.
9:57 pm	samshep:	@Becky_Ellis_ want to get more of this sort of thing going where I work. As teacher trainer & coach I get the same pleasure! #eltchat
9:57 pm	Fuertesun:	@JoshSRound sure that in many places just told to get on with it #eltchat
9:57 pm	ErenNesrin:	RT @DinaDobrou: @ShellTerrell I've observed classes where Ts changed their approach and it was sooo obvious by the sts reactions! Be yourself! #ELTchat
9:57 pm	shaznosel:	@DinaDobrou @ShellTerrell #eltchat Difficult to always be yourself have to obey the school rules..so lessons aren't always the way you want
9:57 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @DinaDobrou: Or when the T suddenly decides to use English and sts look totally lost. #ELTchat That's a classic 1 (unfortunately)
9:58 pm	waykatewit:	@Becky_Ellis_ @ShellTerrell Lack of resistance is a sign of high professionalism - IMHO #ELTchat
9:58 pm	DaveDodgson:	So, to make observation less stress & more for PD we need to.... #ELTchat
9:58 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	RT @waykatewit: @Becky_Ellis_ @ShellTerrell Lack of resistance is a sign of high professionalism - IMHO #ELTchat
9:58 pm	Fuertesun:	@JoeMcVeigh Nice but I think I grow in the hard knocks kinda way! #eltchat
9:59 pm	samshep:	peer observation shd be the only form of observation perhaps? If all purely developmental then surely quality wd improve? #eltchat
9:59 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @DaveDodgson: So, to make observation less stress & more for PD we need to.... #ELTchat observe not evaluate, b open about hows n whys
9:59 pm	mscro1:	Have to go, nice to be chatting and sharing your opinions bye! #ELTchat till next time
9:59 pm	teacher_prix:	I have a tutor who says 'There's always room for improvement'... No matter how many lf my lessons he observed/will observe... =) #ELTchat
9:59 pm	cioccas:	@DaveDodgson: To make observation less stress & more for PD we need to make it part of the culture & a shared thing btwn Ts #ELTchat
9:59 pm	Fuertesun:	@sandymillin jejej ummm I'm at a pretty safe distance #eltchat
9:59 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @teacher_prix: I have a tutor who says 'There's always room for improvement'... No matter how many lf my lessons he observed/will observe... =) #ELTchat
9:59 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @DaveDodgson: So, to make observation less stress & more for PD we need to.... #ELTchat ? Take them for granted as part of our PD
9:59 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @cioccas: @DaveDodgson: To make observation less stress & more for PD we need to make it part of the culture & a shared thing btwn Ts #ELTchat
9:59 pm	brad5patterson:	@DaveDodgson go in with the perspective that ANY outside perspective can be beneficial, and to focus on improvement, not ME. #eltchat
10:00 pm	waykatewit:	So, to make observation less stress @DaveDodgson - tel teachers we love them! #ELTchat
10:00 pm	bcnpaul1:	IMO Observations are a vital developmental tool and that idea needs to be made clear to observer & observee #eltchat
10:00 pm	teacher_prix:	I have a tutor who says 'There's always room for improvement'... No matter how many Of my lessons he observed/will observe... =) #ELTchat
10:00 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @waykatewit: So, to make observation less stress @DaveDodgson - tel teachers we love them! #ELTchat
10:00 pm	worldteacher:	@bcnpaul1 Unobserved obs are always. Good option. Plan with sbdy else then reflect w/ that person after class #eltchat Good idea!!
10:00 pm	JoeMcVeigh:	RT @DaveDodgson: So, to make observation less stress & more for PD we need to.... #ELTchat make it feel safe for teachers.
10:00 pm	Becky_Ellis_:	@DaveDodgson @cerirhiannon as a coach I generate anonymous data for teachers to look through, they pick areas to work on #eltchat
10:00 pm	DaveDodgson:	RT @cerirhiannon: RT @DaveDodgson: So, to make observation less stress & more for PD we need to.... #ELTchat observe not evaluate, b open about hows n whys
10:00 pm	cioccas:	@gkpdnewyork Ouch! #ELTchat
10:00 pm	waykatewit:	RT @cerirhiannon: RT @DaveDodgson: So, to make observation less stress & more for PD we need to.... #ELTchat observe not evaluate, b open about hows n whys
10:00 pm	DaveDodgson:	RT @Marisa_C: RT @DaveDodgson: So, to make observation less stress & more for PD we need to.... #ELTchat ? Take them for granted as part of our PD
10:00 pm	ShellTerrell:	Thanks for another great #ELTChat and the thought-provoking convos & especially to gr8 moderation by @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden
10:00 pm	DaveDodgson:	RT @brad5patterson: @DaveDodgson go in with the perspective that ANY outside perspective can be beneficial, and to focus on improvement, not ME. #eltchat
10:00 pm	bcnpaul1:	RT @cioccas: @DaveDodgson: To make observation less stress & more for PD we need to make it part of the culture & a shared thing btwn Ts #ELTchat
10:00 pm	SandraTweet:	@Marisa_C @marekandrews I agree! In this way, we build up rapport and feedback. Caring and sharing... #eltchat
10:00 pm	Fuertesun:	RT @Marisa_C: RT @DaveDodgson: So, to make observation less stress & more for PD we need to.... #ELTchat ? Take them for granted as part of our PD
10:01 pm	gkpdnewyork:	@cioccas @ShellTerrell Because of the gossip behind most teachers back I think admin come with bias, I've seen hurtful obs. #eltchat
10:01 pm	teacher_prix:	@ShellTerrell =) Phew! I'm not alone!!! #ELTchat I'de rather be myself, though... =)
10:01 pm	DaveDodgson:	RT @Shaunwilden: RT @waykatewit: So, to make observation less stress @DaveDodgson - tel teachers we love them! #ELTchat
10:01 pm	DaveDodgson:	RT @JoeMcVeigh: RT @DaveDodgson: So, to make observation less stress & more for PD we need to.... #ELTchat make it feel safe for teachers.
10:01 pm	DinaDobrou:	@DaveDodgson ...to create a non-threatening environment in our schools where observations are sought after. Am I a dreamer here? #ELTchat
10:01 pm	cioccas:	RT @JoeMcVeigh: ...to make observation less stress & more for PD we need to.... #ELTchat make it feel safe for teachers. <Yes, indeedy!
10:01 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @ShellTerrell: Thanks for another great #ELTChat & especially to gr8 moderation by @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden \| and to you too!