8:59 pm

cerirhiannon:

RT @bcnpaul1: RT @sandymillin: Here's the blog post I wrote which made me want to ask the #eltchat question for tonight :? (cont) http://deck.ly/~hj666

8:59 pm

rliberni:

@mmgrinberg that sounds better, keep ur mind on the job! #eltchat

8:59 pm

sandymillin:

@cerirhiannon I wrote it a month ago, and it only just occured to me to suggest it as an #eltchat topic :)

8:59 pm

hoprea:

RT @cerirhiannon: for the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat - talking about writing - come and join us :)

8:59 pm

rliberni:

RT @hoprea: RT @cerirhiannon: for the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat - talking about writing - come and join us :)

8:59 pm

russell1955:

RT @cerirhiannon: for the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat - talking about writing - come and join us :)

8:59 pm

sandymillin:

For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat - writing and marking

8:59 pm

Fuertesun:

RT @cerirhiannon: for the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat - talking about writing - come and join us :) me too!

8:59 pm

cerirhiannon:

@sandymillin really? sorry I missed it! writing a big faveof mine :)) #eltchat

8:59 pm

dzyt:

hullo #eltchat

9:00 pm

Marisa_C:

For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTchat - talking about writing - please join in and spread the word

9:00 pm

dzyt:

RT @cgoodey: RT @Marisa_C: Reminders: at 21:00 GMT topic of discussion is Writing and how to mark writing #ELTchat - Spread the word

9:00 pm

esolcourses:

RT @cerirhiannon: for the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat - talking about writing - come and join us :)

9:00 pm

moodlenews:

RT @juandoming: Dark Blue Theme now for #Moodle 1.9 and 2.0 | http://bit.ly/i8A0Aa #juandon #elearning #ELTchat #edchat #edtech

9:00 pm

Fuertesun:

RT @Marisa_C: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTchat - talking about writing - please join in and spread the word

9:00 pm

bcnpaul1:

for the next hour my tweets & wine are dedicated to #eltchat :)

9:00 pm

AlexandraKouk:

For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat - talking about writing

9:00 pm

DaveDodgson:

RT @Marisa_C: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTchat - talking about writing - please join in and spread the word

9:00 pm

Shaunwilden:

Ok wine at the ready, topic at the ready, let's talk about writing ,evening all #eltchat :)

9:00 pm

mmgrinberg:

RT @dzyt: RT @cgoodey: RT @Marisa_C: Reminders: at 21:00 GMT topic of discussion is Writing and how to mark writing #ELTchat - Spread the...

9:00 pm

mariazygourakis:

RT @Marisa_C: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTchat - talking about writing - please join in and spread the word

9:01 pm

braztesolbsb:

RT @Marisa_C: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTchat - talking about writing - please join in and spread the word

9:01 pm

Fuertesun:

Evening everyone are we ready #eltchat

9:01 pm

esolcourses:

RT @Marisa_C: Getting ready for #ELTchat? Tonight your moderators are @riberni @ShellTerrell @Shaunwilden and myself. if new ask us for help

9:01 pm

Marisa_C:

While the #ELTchat is going on may I please ask friends NOT to tweet irrelevant links to our discussion - Makes us dizzy!!!

9:01 pm

vladkaslniecko:

RT @bcnpaul1: for the next hour my tweets & wine are dedicated to #eltchat :)

9:01 pm

Fuertesun:

RT @esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: Getting ready for #ELTchat? Tonight your moderators are @riberni @ShellTerrell @Shaunwilden and myself. if new ask us for help

9:02 pm

Marisa_C:

Please use the hashtag only to talk about Writing - how to teach and how to mark it #ELTchat

9:02 pm

cerirhiannon:

writing used to be the cinderella skill - do you think it still is? I think the tide's turning #eltchat

9:02 pm

Shaunwilden:

Can you try and keep tweets to 140 despite the new tweetdeck etc cos otherwise they look odd in the transcript. Ta #ELTchat

9:02 pm

rliberni:

RT @Marisa_C: Please use the hashtag only to talk about Writing - how to teach and how to mark it #ELTchat #eltchat

9:02 pm

ShellTerrell:

Join for #ELTchat topic wiriting and hoe to mark writing! Moderators are @Marisa_C @rliberni @Shaunwilden & me

9:02 pm

Fuertesun:

@cerirhiannon it's still my cinders #eltchat

9:02 pm

mmgrinberg:

RT @marisa_c: While the #ELTchat is going on may I please ask friends NOT to tweet irrelevant links to our discussion - Makes us dizzy!!!

9:02 pm

rliberni:

RT @cerirhiannon: writing used to be the cinderella skill - do you think it still is? I think the tide's turning #eltchat

9:02 pm

Marisa_C:

RT @Shaunwilden: Can you try and keep tweets to 140 despite the new tweetdeck etc cos otherwise they look odd in the transcript.Ta #ELTchat

9:02 pm

ShellTerrell:

RT @rliberni: RT @Marisa_C: Please use the hashtag only to talk about Writing - how to teach and how to mark it #ELTchat #eltchat

9:02 pm

mmgrinberg:

@rliberni Hi Berni! #ELTChat

9:02 pm

vladkaslniecko:

RT @Shaunwilden: Can you try and keep tweets to 140 despite the new tweetdeck etc cos otherwise they look odd in the transcript. Ta #ELTchat

9:02 pm

ShellTerrell:

RT @Shaunwilden: Can you try and keep tweets to 140 despite the new tweetdeck etc cos otherwise they look odd in the transcript. Ta #ELTchat

9:02 pm

web20education:

RT @Marisa_C: Getting ready for #ELTchat? Tonight your moderators are @riberni @ShellTerrell @Shaunwilden and myself - if new asks us for help

9:02 pm

rliberni:

Pople need more writing today than they did in the past I think #eltchat

9:02 pm

juandoming:

RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: Can you try and keep tweets to 140 despite the new tweetdeck etc cos otherwise they look odd in the transcript.Ta #ELTchat

9:03 pm

cerirhiannon:

RT @Shaunwilden: Can you try and keep tweets to 140 despite the new tweetdeck etc cos otherwise they look odd in the transcript. Ta #ELTchat

9:03 pm

ShellTerrell:

RT @cerirhiannon: writing used to be the cinderella skill - do you think it still is? I think the tide's turning #eltchat

9:03 pm

bcnpaul1:

@cerirhiannon @fuertesun come on - concentrate! It's #eltchat :)

9:03 pm

hoprea:

RT @rliberni: Pople need more writing today than they did in the past I think #eltchat <- agree!!

9:03 pm

Fuertesun:

@rliberni because of lack of opps? #eltchat

9:03 pm

juandoming:

RT @moodlenews: RT @juandoming: Dark Blue Theme now for #Moodle 1.9 and 2.0 | http://bit.ly/i8A0Aa #juandon #elearning #ELTchat #edchat #edtech

9:03 pm

cerirhiannon:

RT @rliberni: Pople need more writing today than they did in the past I think #eltchat > agree, finding it easier 2get ss on board

9:03 pm

Shaunwilden:

RT @rliberni: People need more writing today than they did in the past I think #eltchat Agree cos talking is now writing

9:03 pm

Fuertesun:

@cerirhiannon evening #eltchat

9:03 pm

rliberni:

RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: Can you try and keep tweets to 140 despite the new tweetdeck etc cos otherwise they look odd in the transcript.Ta #ELTchat

9:03 pm

Marisa_C:

@SueAnnan Welcome ! Hop on! #ELTchat

9:03 pm

vladkaslniecko:

@SueAnnan Hi Sue :-) hope you have amazing day #eltchat

9:03 pm

FrauSusi:

RT @cerirhiannon: writing used to be the cinderella skill - do you think it still is? I think the tide's turning #eltchat

9:03 pm

cerirhiannon:

RT @Shaunwilden: RT @rliberni: People need more writing today than did in the past I think #eltchat Agree cos talking is now writing>yes

9:03 pm

DaveDodgson:

@cerirhiannon I think the internet has changed its role - no longer just formal & informal letters ;) #ELTchat

9:04 pm

hoprea:

Even though many students look for conversation, EFL learners are more likely to need writing than speaking. #ELTChat

9:04 pm

bcnpaul1:

more writing but a different type of writing I think #eltchat

9:04 pm

MSTA:

opps! I meant #eltchat

9:04 pm

SueannaN:

@Marisa_C @vladkaslniecko thanks #ELTchat

9:04 pm

cioccas:

for the next hour my tweets & coffee are dedicated to #eltchat :)

9:04 pm

rliberni:

@Fuertesun we all use email many jobs require people to communicate via the written word a lot more than before #eltchat

9:04 pm

sandymillin:

RT @bcnpaul1: more writing but a different type of writing I think #eltchat <lots of crossover between writing / speaking

9:04 pm

mmgrinberg:

RT @rliberni: Pople need more writing today than they did in the past I think #eltchat > Is it because of the tech? Agree

9:04 pm

russell1955:

An audience is crucial in writing. That is why I like using technology like blogs, wikis #eltchat

9:04 pm

mmgrinberg:

RT @shaunwilden: RT @rliberni: People need more writing today than they did in the past I think #eltchat Agree cos talking is now writing

9:05 pm

ShellTerrell:

Helps to remind students how the language differs between writing & speaking. How do you approach this? #eltchat

9:05 pm

Fuertesun:

RT @russell1955: An audience is crucial in writing. That is why I like using technology like blogs, wikis #eltchat

9:05 pm

bcnpaul1:

I think sts can find writing more motivating now there is a different (greater?) need for it #eltchat

9:05 pm

MSTA:

@marisa_c sure! I said jumping into #eltchat, except I accidentally typed #ellchat at first.

9:05 pm

Marisa_C:

RT @ShellTerrell: Helps to remind students how the language differs between writing & speaking. How do you approach this? #eltchat

9:05 pm

cerirhiannon:

@rliberni elearning and online forums are also influencing attitudes to writing #eltchat

9:05 pm

Shaunwilden:

There is also much more to read and developing writing aids understanding of texts #ELTchat

9:05 pm

AlexandraKouk:

RT @cerirhiannon: @rliberni elearning and online forums are also influencing attitudes to writing #eltchat

9:05 pm

bcnpaul1:

RT @Shaunwilden: There is also much more to read and developing writing aids understanding of texts #ELTchat >yes!!

9:05 pm

juandoming:

RT @Marisa_C: RT @ShellTerrell: Helps to remind students how the language differs between writing & speaking. How do you approach this? #eltchat

9:05 pm

springrose12:

@esolcourses @cerirhiannon Here I am again:)) This is what I wrote recently in my blog. #eltchat

9:05 pm

Marisa_C:

RT @Shaunwilden: There is also much more to read and developing writing aids understanding of texts #ELTchat > or vice versa?

9:05 pm

DaveDodgson:

@ShellTerrell Context is key always! (and audience too) #ELTchat

9:05 pm

sandymillin:

RT @bcnpaul1: I think sts can find writing more motivating now there is a different (greater?) need for it #eltchat

9:05 pm

rliberni:

@mariazygourakis absolutely, email, IM, sms, blogs etc.. not that skills are any better than they were necessarily #eltchat

9:05 pm

hoprea:

I guess the very first thing for teachers is remembering there are many other roles other than the assessor that we play. #ELTChat

9:05 pm

DaveDodgson:

RT @Shaunwilden: There is also much more to read and developing writing aids understanding of texts #ELTchat

9:05 pm

ShellTerrell:

Gr8 pt! RT @russell1955: An audience is crucial in writing. That is why I like using technology like blogs, wikis #eltchat

9:06 pm

GreatWebinar:

RT @juandoming: Top Tools for #Learning : Emerging Trends http://bit.ly/9PJz6l by Jane Hart #juandon #elearning #web20 #edchat #edtech #education #ELTchat

9:06 pm

cerirhiannon:

RT @ShellTerrell: Gr8 pt! RT @russell1955: An audience is crucial in writing. That is why I like using technology like blogs, wikis #eltchat

9:06 pm

Marisa_C:

@rliberni So writing has to have audience, purpose and some communicative spark? #eltchat

9:06 pm

russell1955:

There are many more genres of writing today. Again partly because of technology #eltchat

9:06 pm

rliberni:

@springrose12 can you give us the link? #eltchat

9:06 pm

vladkaslniecko:

I guess after a boom of purely speaking classes, writining returns..surely in central europe, they can't write properly in english #eltchat

9:06 pm

Marisa_C:

RT @russell1955: There are many more genres of writing today. Again partly because of technology #eltchat

9:06 pm

DaveDodgson:

RT @hoprea: I guess the very 1st thing for teachers is remembering there are many other roles other than the assessor that we play. #ELTChat

9:06 pm

vladkaslniecko:

RT @russell1955: There are many more genres of writing today. Again partly because of technology #eltchat

9:06 pm

springrose12:

@esolcourses @cerirhiannon http://ealteachers12.blogspot.com/2011/02/improving-writing-across-curriculum.html #eltchat

9:07 pm

dzyt:

RT @DaveDodgson: @ShellTerrell Context is key always! (and audience too) #ELTchat

9:07 pm

SueannaN:

@dzyt Hi Danielle #eltchat

9:07 pm

DaveDodgson:

RT @russell1955: There are many more genres of writing today. Again partly because of technology #eltchat

9:07 pm

rliberni:

@Marisa_C much writing has an audience and more participate for better or worse but there should be an incentive to improve? #eltchat

9:07 pm

esolcourses:

RT @DaveDodgson: RT @russell1955: There are many more genres of writing today. Again partly because of technology #eltchat

9:07 pm

theteacherjames:

@russell1955 Absolutely, authentic audience can be a great motivator. #eltchat

9:07 pm

cerirhiannon:

RT @esolcourses: RT @DaveDodgson: RT @russell1955: There are many more genres of writing today. Again partly because of technology #eltchat

9:07 pm

teacher_prix:

RT @hoprea: RT @cerirhiannon: for the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat - talking about writing - come and join us :)

9:07 pm

Totallywired77:

RT @ddeubel: Here is my review of twiducate. http://bit.ly/aC73qn #eltchat

9:08 pm

ShellTerrell:

#eltchat with increasing amounts of writing taking place online, how do you prepare students for the specific skills needed 4 this medium?

9:08 pm

DaveDodgson:

@russell1955 I think the balance has also changed - much more informal 'speech-like' writing now #ELTchat

9:08 pm

rliberni:

@Marisa_C I think there is still resistance but the need is more obvious #eltchat

9:08 pm

springrose12:

@ShellTerrell @russell1955 Agree. There should be a purpose, students don't write for the sake of writing anymore #eltchat

9:08 pm

Fuertesun:

@Marisa_C both #ELTchat

9:08 pm

hoprea:

Authentic audience is a great motivator, but if we think about it, this is still unreal in most places. #ELTChat

9:08 pm

rliberni:

RT @springrose12: @ShellTerrell @russell1955 Agree. There should be a purpose, students don't write for the sake of writing anymore #eltchat

9:08 pm

Fuertesun:

@Marisa_C I prefer process type writing acts for class more comm #ELTchat

9:08 pm

cybraryman1:

RT @DaveDodgson: @cerirhiannon I think the internet has changed its role - no longer just formal & informal letters ;) #ELTchat

9:08 pm

rliberni:

RT @hoprea: Authentic audience is a great motivator, but if we think about it, this is still unreal in most places. #ELTChat

9:09 pm

Shaunwilden:

Usually homework, using class time to prep it - process approach with a bit of genre analysis #ELTchat

9:09 pm

cerirhiannon:

RT @hoprea: Authentic audience gr8 motivator, this is still unreal in most places. #ELTChat> writing for each other, a class blog, can help

9:09 pm

vladkaslniecko:

i got a class of teens..they were able to speak..but couldn't write a note :-( English is different than their L1 - spelling #eltchat

9:09 pm

Totallywired77:

you may want to take a look at this 35 ways to use Twiducate for deeper learning by @Totallywired77 http://wp.me/p1hq7O-U #eltchat

9:09 pm

Marisa_C:

RT @Shaunwilden: Usually homework, using class time to prep it - process approach with a bit of genre analysis #ELTchat > Super

9:09 pm

theteacherjames:

@ShellTerrell First & foremost, it has to be relevant to the students and their goals. #eltchat

9:09 pm

ShellTerrell:

RT @DaveDodgson: @cerirhiannon I think the internet has changed its role - no longer just formal & informal letters ;) #ELTchat

9:09 pm

rliberni:

@hoprea I find the idea of an authentic audience a very compelling motivation #eltchat

9:09 pm

hoprea:

@bcnpaul1 to be honest, I do. Most of my students don't fall into this category, but when I think nationwide, it certainly is. #ELTChat

9:09 pm

rliberni:

RT @theteacherjames: @ShellTerrell First & foremost, it has to be relevant to the students and their goals. #eltchat

9:10 pm

rliberni:

RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: Usually homework, using class time to prep it - process approach with a bit of genre analysis #ELTchat > Super

9:10 pm

cerirhiannon:

RT @Shaunwilden: Usually homework, class time to prep - process approach w genre analysis #ELTchat> little but often in class works 4 me

9:10 pm

ShellTerrell:

RT @theteacherjames: @ShellTerrell First & foremost, it has to be relevant to the students and their goals. #eltchat

9:10 pm

DaveDodgson:

@vladkaslniecko My YLs often see writing as a chore & motivating them is difficult #ELTchat

9:10 pm

esolcourses:

Think teaching writing often goes hand in hand with vocabulary & genre (writing for different purposes) #eltchat

9:10 pm

sandymillin:

#eltchat What do you do about students with huge difference between speaking / writing levels?

9:10 pm

rliberni:

RT @esolcourses: Think teaching writing often goes hand in hand with vocabulary & genre (writing for different purposes) #eltchat

9:10 pm

ShellTerrell:

Agree! RT @theteacherjames: First & foremost, it has to be relevant to the students and their goals. #eltchat

9:10 pm

Marisa_C:

RT @mariazygourakis: @Marisa_C probably both,but usually assigned for HW(hope I am retweeting!) #eltchat (that;s the hashtag:-)

9:10 pm

Marisa_C:

RT @ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @theteacherjames: First & foremost, it has to be relevant to the students and their goals. #eltchat

9:10 pm

ShellTerrell:

RT @springrose12: There should be a purpose, students don't write for the sake of writing anymore #eltchat

9:10 pm

dzyt:

RT @Shaunwilden: Usually homework, using class time to prep it - process approach with a bit of genre analysis #ELTchat

9:10 pm

hoprea:

@cerirhiannon That is true. Writing blogs and having them visit their peers' blogs is motivating. #eltchat

9:11 pm

sallyswinfen:

@vladkaslniecko But surely accuracy doesn't matter so much now, with sms and messaging etc. It's writing what it sounds like. #eltchat

9:11 pm

sandymillin:

@SueAnnan Often feel I'm not working too, but have started doing lots of pair writing, discussion etc - I'm facilitator #ELTchat

9:11 pm

toulasklavou:

involve them on writing process, familiarise them with the specific genre looking other samples then set hw #eltchat

9:11 pm

rliberni:

RT @SueAnnan: there is that feeling - our time should be used activily but sometimes it can be good to write in class #eltchat

9:11 pm

SueannaN:

@Shaunwilden Me too #ELTchat

9:11 pm

rliberni:

RT @toulasklavou: involve them on writing process, familiarise them with the specific genre looking other samples then set hw #eltchat

9:11 pm

Fuertesun:

@sallyswinfen welcome to #eltchat

9:11 pm

Shaunwilden:

RT @SueAnnan: I always feel that I'm not working when sts are writing, #ELTchat I know what you mean but you can give advice. monitor etc

9:11 pm

theteacherjames:

Nowadays it's easy to find an authentic audience for writing: movie review - IMDB, opinion - letter to a newspaper etc #eltchat

9:11 pm

DaveDodgson:

@sandymillin It works both ways - some speak so well but can't write, others write beautifully but struggle to speak #ELTchat

9:11 pm

vladkaslniecko:

@DaveDodgson exactly...just today we worked with wallwisher in classroom - post a note was their homework :) bit of writing i guess #eltchat

9:11 pm

MisterMikeLCC:

Hi Every1 @ #ELTChat 2 much red pen on a students work? (well I use green) but do any of you use a marking scheme? http://scr.bi/eUBzxQ

9:11 pm

hoprea:

@rliberni I couldn't agree more. But what do we do with students who are self-conscious and don't want others to read their texts? #ELTChat

9:11 pm

russell1955:

#eltchat Yes work on the writing process in class but get the students to write at home

9:12 pm

sandymillin:

@DaveDodgson I have both kinds too, but never know how to deal with it, especially when both in same class! #ELTchat

9:12 pm

mgarciatrevino:

RT @Marisa_C: RT @ShellTerrell: Helps to remind students how the language differs between writing & speaking. How do you approach this? #eltchat

9:12 pm

mmgrinberg:

Any gr8 books / articles / links on process writing? #eltchat

9:12 pm

vladkaslniecko:

@bcnpaul1 exactly! #eltchat

9:12 pm

russell1955:

#eltchat If you can't create an real audience then at least make sure they peer read each other's work

9:12 pm

mariazygourakis:

The internet is also changing spelling tho, isn't it?#eltchat

9:12 pm

toulasklavou:

why has writing always been a pain for learners?prob they don't know how to write in their lang #eltchat

9:12 pm

Marisa_C:

@MisterMikeLCC Marking schemes? Yes - do the Ss know the criteria? yes - public and used by Ss too #ELTChat

9:12 pm

DaveDodgson:

@vladkaslniecko Funny that they often don't equate something like Wallwisher to writing :) #ELTchat

9:12 pm

cerirhiannon:

so muhc is going on when students write - and you can engage directly with the process of creating meaning #eltchat

9:12 pm

hoprea:

@bcnpaul1 Oh, that's so true! That's why teachers have got to adapt to cater for their students' needs. Reviews usually work. #ELTChat

9:12 pm

DaveDodgson:

@sandymillin Pair them up? ;) #ELTchat

9:12 pm

Marisa_C:

RT @cerirhiannon: so muhc is going on when students write - and you can engage directly with the process of creating meaning #eltchat

9:12 pm

SueannaN:

RT @russell1955: #eltchat Yes work on the writing process in class but get the students to write at home

9:13 pm

ShellTerrell:

I find students enjoy examples of the writing style and form and templates #eltchat

9:13 pm

hoprea:

I guess one thing we should discuss is the balance between process and product when it comes to writing. #ELTChat

9:13 pm

toulasklavou:

@bcnpaul1 @hoprea why no connection? they write these letters later on when looking 4 a job! #eltchat

9:13 pm

Fuertesun:

@mmgrinberg process writing by White and Arndt Longman #eltchat

9:13 pm

russell1955:

RT @ShellTerrell: I find students enjoy examples of the writing style and form and templates #eltchat

9:13 pm

ShellTerrell:

Agree! RT @SueAnnan: RT @russell1955: #eltchat Yes work on the writing process in class but get the students to write at home

9:13 pm

Marisa_C:

RT @toulasklavou: @bcnpaul1 @hoprea why no connection? they write these letters later on when looking 4 a job! #eltchat >agree

9:13 pm

DaveDodgson:

@toulasklavou I've heard that a lot over the years: 'but I never write like this in my L1!' Purpose/need is important #ELTchat

9:13 pm

Fuertesun:

RT @russell1955: #eltchat If you can't create an real audience then at least make sure they peer read each other's work

9:13 pm

dzyt:

@Shaunwilden recently started a more 'genre analysis'-influenced approach. has changed everything for the better #eltchat

9:13 pm

bcnpaul1:

writing is a fantastic way to see sts shortcomings grammatically in speaking as well as writing #eltchat

9:13 pm

ShellTerrell:

RT @Marisa_C: RT @cerirhiannon: so muhc is going on when students write - and you can engage directly with the process of creating meaning #eltchat

9:13 pm

Shaunwilden:

RT @hoprea: I guess one thing we should discuss is the balance between process and product when it comes to writing. #ELTChat

9:13 pm

mariazygourakis:

#eltchat The internet is also changing spelling tho, isn't it?

9:13 pm

cioccas:

RT @toulasklavou: why has writing always been a pain for learners?prob they don't know how to write in their lang #eltchat <true for many Ss

9:13 pm

DinaDobrou:

Apologies. I'm a little late. Good evening all. #ELTchat

9:13 pm

vladkaslniecko:

@DaveDodgson tricky, isn't it? :-) use their weapons... hihihi #eltchat

9:13 pm

sandymillin:

@DaveDodgson Cheeky! And what if they don't pair up nicely? ;) #ELTchat

9:13 pm

hoprea:

@toulasklavou @bcnpaul1 Point taken, and that's true. Still, no connection with their lives at that moment. :) #ELTChat

9:13 pm

DaveDodgson:

RT @ShellTerrell: I find students enjoy examples of the writing style and form and templates #eltchat <-- Me too but sometimes they copy!

9:14 pm

Marisa_C:

@hoprea Use lots of process writing when familiarising Ss with new genre - then gradually move to product #ELTChat

9:14 pm

Fuertesun:

RT @hoprea: I guess one thing we should discuss is the balance between process and product when it comes to writing. #ELTChat - agree

9:14 pm

ShellTerrell:

RT @Marisa_C: Marking schemes? Yes - do the Ss know the criteria? yes - public and used by Ss too #ELTChat

9:14 pm

mmgrinberg:

Using red ink anybody? It's become [an almost ridiculous] taboo :P #eltchat

9:14 pm

lydbury:

Just to say I am lurking but busy. Have a good evening #eltchat

9:14 pm

russell1955:

This is a great source for genres and one of my fav websites http://bit.ly/9dgrIK #eltchat

9:14 pm

rliberni:

If I may, my post on writing for an authentic audience http://bit.ly/fzJ8ll #eltchat

9:14 pm

janebarden:

#eltchat students expect to write in class, they might complain but they like it, especially dictation.Dictate all yr questions for speakin

9:14 pm

cerirhiannon:

to build confindence I use dictogloss and mini/competitibe summaries - about anything, listening txt, reading text, class discuss #eltchat

9:14 pm

vladkaslniecko:

RT @bcnpaul1: writing is a fantastic way to see sts shortcomings grammatically in speaking as well as writing #eltchat

9:14 pm

esolcourses:

RT @rliberni: If I may, my post on writing for an authentic audience http://bit.ly/fzJ8ll #eltchat

9:14 pm

ShellTerrell:

Good point! And whole internet jargon as well! RT @mariazygourakis: The internet is also changing spelling tho, isn't it?#eltchat

9:14 pm

springrose12:

@Marisa_C Both.Teachermodels the thinking, speaking, writing process asks Ss to work in pair/groups, scaffolds them to independence #eltchat

9:14 pm

ShellTerrell:

RT @russell1955: #eltchat If you can't create an real audience then at least make sure they peer read each other's work

9:14 pm

rliberni:

@hoprea it is a gr8 opp for some but others may not want to use this platform so trad stuff is nec too #eltchat

9:14 pm

bcnpaul1:

RT @toulasklavou: @bcnpaul1 @hoprea why no connection? they write these letters later on when looking 4 a job! #eltchat > maybe but not yet

9:14 pm

juandoming:

RT @ShellTerrell: Good point! And whole internet jargon as well! RT @mariazygourakis: The internet is also changing spelling tho, isn't it?#eltchat

9:15 pm

teacher_prix:

RT @ShellTerrell: I find students enjoy examples of the writing style and form and templates #eltchat Especially for exam models!

9:15 pm

vladkaslniecko:

RT @russell1955: This is a great source for genres and one of my fav websites http://bit.ly/9dgrIK #eltchat

9:15 pm

mmgrinberg:

RT @shellterrell: RT @Marisa_C: Marking schemes? Yes - do the Ss know the criteria? yes - public and used by Ss too #ELTChat

9:15 pm

sandymillin:

RT @rliberni: If I may, my post on writing for an authentic audience http://bit.ly/fzJ8ll #eltchat

9:15 pm

theteacherjames:

@ShellTerrell @SueAnnan @russell1955 Problem with writing at home is no self control, spend ages on a 1st draft. #eltchat

9:15 pm

Shaunwilden:

@hoprea I think coursebooks take a sort of halfway approach between both approaches #eltchat

9:15 pm

hoprea:

@Marisa_C I see a process approach to writing as yet another opportunity for teaching and learning; product mainly for assessment. #ELTChat

9:15 pm

bcnpaul1:

@toulasklavou they can study formal writing without making it an application or complaint (I think)#eltchat

9:15 pm

toulasklavou:

@hoprea @bcnpaul1 so we should ask the exam.bodies to leave this genre out in exams #eltchat

9:15 pm

Shaunwilden:

@dzyt How did it improve things? #eltchat

9:15 pm

rliberni:

@mariazygourakis Hi Maria gr8 to see you here! #eltchat

9:15 pm

sandymillin:

#eltchat I've done written feedback after mingles a couple of times - just one or two sentences, but shows them word order issues etc

9:15 pm

DaveDodgson:

Too often writing is seen as the end of a series of tasks - there is so much more to do afterwards! #ELTchat

9:15 pm

Fuertesun:

RT @hoprea: @Marisa_C I see a process approach to writing as yet another opportunity for teaching and learning; product mainly for assessment. #ELTChat

9:16 pm

ShellTerrell:

@DaveDodgson I work with adults mostly on writing so not a problem there for me but perhaps w teens? #eltchat

9:16 pm

rliberni:

RT @Shaunwilden: @hoprea I think coursebooks take a sort of halfway approach between both approaches #eltchat

9:16 pm

MisterMikeLCC:

http://pictlits.com is a fantastic site 2 inspire students 2 write about images they see. Words provided to help creative process. #ELTCHAT

9:16 pm

hoprea:

Hear, hear!! RT @rliberni: @hoprea it is a gr8 opp for some but others may not want to use this platform so trad stuff is nec too #eltchat

9:16 pm

Marisa_C:

And of course since Russell here - let's not forget his jings - been using them for feedback on writing !!!! #ELTchat

9:16 pm

bcnpaul1:

RT @toulasklavou: @hoprea @bcnpaul1 so we should ask the exam.bodies to leave this genre out in exams #eltchat > I think so

9:16 pm

teachermedeiros:

I always tell my students: the more you read the more you'll be able to write;)#eltchat

9:16 pm

rliberni:

RT @Marisa_C: And of course since Russell here - let's not forget his jings - been using them for feedback on writing !!!! #ELTchat

9:16 pm

DaveDodgson:

@ShellTerrell Kids sometimes copy chunks of the sample text but they are also lost without it #ELTchat

9:16 pm

sandymillin:

@Marisa_C Really like the idea of using jings for writing feedback, but can't work out how to go about it #ELTchat

9:16 pm

Fuertesun:

@Marisa_C what jings? #ELTchat

9:16 pm

rliberni:

RT @DaveDodgson: Too often writing is seen as the end of a series of tasks - there is so much more to do afterwards! #ELTchat

9:16 pm

Marisa_C:

RT @teachermedeiros: I always tell my students: the more you read the more you'll be able to write;)#eltchat > agree fully

9:16 pm

SueannaN:

RT @bcnpaul1: writing is a fantastic way to see sts shortcomings grammatically in speaking as well as writing #eltchat absolutely true

9:17 pm

mmgrinberg:

RT @mistermikelcc: http://pictlits.com is a fantastic site 2 inspire students 2 write about images they see. <....> #ELTCHAT

9:17 pm

rliberni:

RT @SueannaN: RT @bcnpaul1: writing is a fantastic way to see sts shortcomings grammatically in speaking as well as writing #eltchat absolutely true

9:17 pm

springrose12:

@Marisa_C Sorry I deleted this one because of the spelling mistake and sent you another one:) #eltchat

9:17 pm

russell1955:

RT @alexiglesias: #eltchat I too find dictogloss a good activity for writing -and one that works on their interlanguage

9:17 pm

vladkaslniecko:

RT @Marisa_C: And of course since Russell here - let's not forget his jings - been using them for feedback on writing !!!! #ELTchat

9:17 pm

bcnpaul1:

does anyone know if FCE for schools' writing tasks are very different #eltchat

9:17 pm

web20education:

#ELTchat - talking about writing - please join in and spread the word via Marisa_C

9:17 pm

dansutch:

@ShellTerrell @mariazygourakis check out RSA podcast by Prof David Crystal about language change and new tech #eltchat

9:17 pm

theteacherjames:

RT @teachermedeiros: I always tell my students: the more you read the more you'll be able to write;)#eltchat

9:17 pm

Marisa_C:

@teachermedeiros Reading is the input for writing - speaking & listening may be the springboard #eltchat

9:17 pm

hoprea:

@bcnpaul1 @toulasklavou Hmmm... not so sure. Exam prep courses are different IMHO. :) #ELTChat

9:17 pm

cybraryman1:

My Writing Resources page (has writing links for ELLs): http://bit.ly/aRshFJ #ELTchat

9:17 pm

mmgrinberg:

RT @fuertesun: @Marisa_C what jings? #ELTchat

9:17 pm

Shaunwilden:

RT @Marisa_C: let's not forget jing - been using them for feedback on writing !!!! #ELTchat Yes completely changed the way I give feedback

9:17 pm

esolcourses:

RT @cybraryman1: My Writing Resources page (has writing links for ELLs): http://bit.ly/aRshFJ #ELTchat

9:17 pm

ELTtech:

RT @Marisa_C: RT @teachermedeiros: I always tell my students: the more you read the more you'll be able to write;)#eltchat > agree fully

9:18 pm

ShellTerrell:

@PatParslow can you explain this more? #eltchat

9:18 pm

rliberni:

I work a lot with IELTS students they have no choice! & we can really get into the nitty gritty of how to write gr8 stuff #eltchat

9:18 pm

bcnpaul1:

RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Marisa_C: let's not forget jing - been using them for feedback on writing !!!! #ELTchat > Jing's a winner every time

9:18 pm

sandymillin:

@SueAnnan @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C How do you use the jings then?!? #ELTchat

9:18 pm

hoprea:

@Shaunwilden I guess this is much more done based on teacher's discretion than on coursebook instruction. #ELTChat

9:18 pm

Fuertesun:

@mmgrinberg okay it's a screenshot programme thingy #ELTchat

9:18 pm

Marisa_C:

@mmgrinberg Screencasts where you talk through the Ss' writing and take a video of it #ELTchat

9:18 pm

rliberni:

RT @cerirhiannon: @esolcourses @rliberni and mine on writing to learn http://bit.ly/gvGYzP #eltchat

9:18 pm

MSTA:

so true! RT @teachermedeiros: I always tell my students: the more you read the more you'll be able to write;) #eltchat

9:18 pm

DinaDobrou:

RT @russell1955: work on process in class but get sts to write home>wht if they spend 10 min on it? in class they can't get away #ELTchat

9:18 pm

ShellTerrell:

Yes! I like this! RT @Marisa_C: Reading is the input for writing - speaking & listening may be the springboard #eltchat

9:18 pm

cerirhiannon:

RT @esolcourses: RT @cerirhiannon: @esolcourses @rliberni and mine on writing to learn http://bit.ly/gvGYzP >adding hashtag !#eltchat

9:18 pm

ShellTerrell:

RT @cybraryman1: My Writing Resources page (has writing links for ELLs): http://bit.ly/aRshFJ #ELTchat

9:18 pm

rliberni:

RT @Marisa_C: @mmgrinberg Screencasts where you talk through the Ss' writing and take a video of it #ELTchat #eltchat

9:18 pm

esolcourses:

RT @ShellTerrell: Yes! I like this! RT @Marisa_C: Reading is the input for writing - speaking & listening may be the springboard #eltchat

9:18 pm

rliberni:

RT @ShellTerrell: Yes! I like this! RT @Marisa_C: Reading is the input for writing - speaking & listening may be the springboard #eltchat

9:18 pm

ShellTerrell:

RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Marisa_C: let's not forget jing - been using them for feedback on writing !!!! #ELTchat Yes completely changed the way I give feedback

9:19 pm

dzyt:

@Shaunwilden makes more sense. lesson plans quicker. explanations clearer. 'grammar' easier to 'teach' #genreanalysis #eltchat

9:19 pm

SueannaN:

RT @esolcourses: RT @ShellTerrell: Yes! I like this! RT @Marisa_C: Reading is the input for writing - speaking & listening may be the springboard #eltchat

9:19 pm

Shaunwilden:

RT @sandymillin: How do you use the jings then?!? #ELTchat check out @russell1955 videos on it but basically use it to record your comments

9:19 pm

bcnpaul1:

sometimes the prob is that sts think they need to write a big long composition. it can sometimes be micro-writing #eltchat

9:19 pm

rliberni:

RT @cybraryman1: My Writing Resources page (has writing links for ELLs): http://bit.ly/aRshFJ #ELTchat #eltchat

9:19 pm

hoprea:

@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Jing and screencast in general adds a lot to the comments! Also good for listening practice. #ELTChat

9:19 pm

DinaDobrou:

@DaveDodgson @ShellTerrell If they copy whole chunks it's bad. If they pick up useful expressions, I like it too. #ELTchat

9:19 pm

DaveDodgson:

My students love collaborative writing - ideas flow much more easily in groups #ELTchat

9:19 pm

cerirhiannon:

RT @hoprea: @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Jing and screencast in general adds a lot to the comments! Also good for listening practice. #ELTChat

9:19 pm

ShellTerrell:

RT @russell1955: RT @alexiglesias: #eltchat I too find dictogloss a good activity for writing -and one that works on their interlanguage

9:19 pm

sandymillin:

#eltchat Has anyone got an example of a jing they've used for writing feedback? I understand the principle but not sure how wud look

9:19 pm

cerirhiannon:

RT @DaveDodgson: My students love collaborative writing - ideas flow much more easily in groups #ELTchat

9:19 pm

Marisa_C:

@hoprea true forgot all about that #ELTChat

9:19 pm

ShellTerrell:

RT @teachermedeiros: I always tell my students: the more you read the more you'll be able to write;)#eltchat

9:19 pm

Marisa_C:

@sandymillin yes can send you a link later #eltchat

9:19 pm

rliberni:

Is there a lot of resistance to writing from students ? #eltchat

9:19 pm

russell1955:

Link to the Times Higher article about feedback in 2006 with JING http://bit.ly/4AKvEG #eltchat

9:19 pm

theteacherjames:

@#eltchat @russell1955's video feedback- probably best thing I've ever done as a teacher - fantastic idea & a great way to give feedback.

9:20 pm

bcnpaul1:

RT @bcnpaul1: @sandymillin I can send you one... after the chat #eltchat

9:20 pm

madogomez:

RT @russell1955: This is a great source for genres and one of my fav websites http://bit.ly/9dgrIK #eltchat

9:20 pm

vladkaslniecko:

@bcnpaul1 agree....small steps :) more natural and easier for them #eltchat

9:20 pm

mmgrinberg:

RT @fuertesun: @mmgrinberg okay it's a screenshot programme thingy #ELTchat > Ha ha the one I recommended earlier today. But 4 writing?

9:20 pm

Fuertesun:

@rliberni in my CAE class yes #eltchat

9:20 pm

esolcourses:

RT @DaveDodgson: My students love collaborative writing - ideas flow much more easily in groups #ELTchat ] agree; collaboration can be a +

9:20 pm

teacher_prix:

I hav a teacher who would always say: 'When you write, you speak twice'... Never forgot his words! =) #eltchat

9:20 pm

dzyt:

RT @SueannaN: RT @bcnpaul1: writing is a fantastic way to see sts shortcomings grammatically in speaking as well as writing #eltchat absolutely true

9:20 pm

DaveDodgson:

@DinaDobrou The problem comes when a 10 year old writes "I'm married. I've got 2 children...." :D #ELTchat

9:20 pm

hoprea:

@theteacherjames And students love it!! :) #ELTChat

9:20 pm

Marisa_C:

RT @rliberni: RT @ShellTerrell: RT @teachermedeiros: I always tell my students: the more you read the more you'll be able to write;)#eltchat

9:20 pm

sandymillin:

@rliberni Lots of resistance when presented as writing, not much when presented as sth else e.g. feedback / question writing #eltchat

9:20 pm

mariazygourakis:

RT @Marisa_C: RT @teachermedeiros: I always tell my students: the more you read the more you'll be able to write;)#eltchat > agree fully

9:20 pm

rliberni:

RT @russell1955: Link to the Times Higher article about feedback in 2006 with JING http://bit.ly/4AKvEG #eltchat

9:21 pm

vladkaslniecko:

@esolcourses @DaveDodgson collaboration - less pressure and stress for stds #eltchat

9:21 pm

sandymillin:

@Shaunwilden @bcnpaul1 @Marisa_C Thanks! #eltchat

9:21 pm

cerirhiannon:

in order to learn to write they need to write! seems obvious, little &often in class is a good way to start ... #eltchat

9:21 pm

ShellTerrell:

@DinaDobrou @DaveDodgson yes! It works really well for business English where I find the Ss do pick up useful expressions #eltchat

9:21 pm

mmgrinberg:

RT @marisa_c: @mmgrinberg Screencasts where you talk through the Ss' writing and take a video of it #ELTchat > Examples anyone?

9:21 pm

russell1955:

early example of video feedback for writing http://bit.ly/1c4RKJ #eltchat

9:21 pm

esolcourses:

Ha Ha... RT @DaveDodgson: @DinaDobrou The problem comes when a 10 year old writes "I'm married. I've got 2 children...." :D #ELTchat

9:21 pm

rliberni:

RT @esolcourses: RT @DaveDodgson: My students love collaborative writing - ideas flow much more easily in groups #ELTchat ] agree; collaboration can be a +

9:21 pm

hoprea:

How often do you work with peer correction for writing? #ELTChat

9:21 pm

SueannaN:

@sandymillin yes can send you one later #eltchat

9:21 pm

bcnpaul1:

RT @bcnpaul1: @vladkaslniecko @sueannan it works well to get them to write 25 words on a topic & really focus on the language #eltchat

9:21 pm

mmgrinberg:

RT @sandymillin: @Shaunwilden @bcnpaul1 @Marisa_C Thanks! #eltchat

9:21 pm

theteacherjames:

@sandymillin I must blog about it, will let you know when it's done. #eltchat

9:21 pm

cerirhiannon:

make it a natural part of communication - I use follow up emails with classes as well - really gets them into writing #eltchat

9:21 pm

russell1955:

RT @hoprea: How often do you work with peer correction for writing? #ELTChat

9:21 pm

carol_rouberte:

RT @teacher_prix: I hav a teacher who would always say: 'When you write, you speak twice'... Never forgot his words! =) #eltchat

9:22 pm

ShellTerrell:

RT @dansutch: David Crystal lang change & tech http://bit.ly/gNFwvH or search for Crystal here: http://feeds.feedburner.com/ #eltchat

9:22 pm

mmgrinberg:

@russell1955 Thanks a lot! #eltchat

9:22 pm

rliberni:

Do students see things like email, twitter, facebook etc.. as writing? Can we re-educate them in this skill by focusing here? #eltchat

9:22 pm

Fuertesun:

@hoprea I use it sometimes depends on age class etc #ELTChat

9:22 pm

theteacherjames:

@hoprea #eltchat They really love it!

9:22 pm

ELTtech:

RT @teacher_prix: I hav a teacher who would always say: 'When you write, you speak twice'... Never forgot his words! =) #eltchat

9:22 pm

DaveDodgson:

@bcnpaul1 @vladkaslniecko @sueannan Yes, low word limits often stimulate creative use of language #ELTchat

9:22 pm

ShellTerrell:

RT @rliberni: Do students see things like email, twitter, facebook etc.. as writing? Can we re-educate them in this skill by focusing here? #eltchat

9:22 pm

Shaunwilden:

@hoprea: #ELTChat Its a useful so do it as muc has I can but sts feel they dont get proper fbk unless its from the tchr

9:22 pm

russell1955:

RT @rliberni: Do students see things like email, twitter, facebook etc.. as writing? Can we re-educate them in this skill by focusing here? #eltchat

9:22 pm

rliberni:

RT @dansutch: David Crystal lang change & tech http://bit.ly/gNFwvH or search for Crystal here: http://feeds.feedburner.com/ #eltchat

9:22 pm

dzyt:

RT @sandymillin: @rliberni Lots of resistance when presented as writing, not much when presented as sth else e.g. feedback / question writing #eltchat

9:22 pm

vladkaslniecko:

@bcnpaul1 @sueannan yes, good! we do a lot of topicsl mind maping ...is that writing? mini, i guess #eltchat

9:22 pm

ShellTerrell:

RT @cerirhiannon: make it a natural part of communication - I use follow up emails with classes as well - really gets them into writing #eltchat

9:22 pm

AlexandraKouk:

code-correction sets self-or peer- correction #eltchat

9:22 pm

mmgrinberg:

Peer correction hasn't worked for me so far - there's a silence and they don't know what 2 do. Ideas? #eltchat

9:23 pm

sandymillin:

@cerirhiannon Loved your idea of using follow-up emails - will try it with a group at some point #eltchat

9:23 pm

ShellTerrell:

RT @russell1955: early example of video feedback for writing http://bit.ly/1c4RKJ #eltchat

9:23 pm

teacher_prix:

@hoprea: Re: peer correction for writing - Usually the fisrt draft is peer correction! You? #eltchat

9:23 pm

hoprea:

@Shaunwilden @Fuertesun I think it depends a lot on how close the group is as well. But feedback from teacher is paramount. #ELTChat

9:23 pm

toulasklavou:

peer correction occurs with short pieces of writing and not v.often #eltchat

9:23 pm

ShellTerrell:

RT @cerirhiannon: in order to learn to write they need to write! seems obvious, little &often in class is a good way to start ... #eltchat

9:23 pm

russell1955:

RT @teacher_prix: @hoprea: Re: peer correction for writing - Usually the fisrt draft is peer correction! You? #eltchat

9:23 pm

dzyt:

RT @teacher_prix: I hav a teacher who would always say: 'When you write, you speak twice'... Never forgot his words! =) #eltchat

9:23 pm

antoniaclare:

hi everyone - been lurking. Careful scafolding can really help, so sts produce sthng they are proud of, like poem v motivating #eltchat

9:23 pm

sandymillin:

@rliberni Don't think they do - constantly sending emails back and forth w/ SS - don't think most of them noticed they're writing! #eltchat

9:23 pm

bcnpaul1:

RT @antoniaclare: hi everyone - been lurking. Careful scafolding can really help, so sts produce sthng they are proud of, like poem v motivating #eltchat

9:23 pm

Marisa_C:

@AlexandraKouk uses screencasts to send corrections on her translation trainees' assignments #eltchat

9:23 pm

rliberni:

@dzyt @sandymillin so maybe writing = essays and reports? #eltchat

9:23 pm

ShellTerrell:

RT @antoniaclare: hi everyone - been lurking. Careful scafolding can really help, so sts produce sthng they are proud of, like poem v motivating #eltchat

9:23 pm

Shaunwilden:

Does anyone use tech to do collaborative writing? Have never tried it but seen some teachers doing it #ELTChat

9:23 pm

rliberni:

RT @russell1955: RT @teacher_prix: @hoprea: Re: peer correction for writing - Usually the fisrt draft is peer correction! You? #eltchat

9:23 pm

DaveDodgson:

@mmgrinberg Collect writing, make a sample paragrapgh with most common misatkes & ask them to correct in groups #ELTchat

9:24 pm

theteacherjames:

I'd be interested to know your procedure for giving feedback on longer pieces of writing. #eltchat

9:24 pm

toulasklavou:

now in my privates use code correction which i think is self correction #eltchat

9:24 pm

hoprea:

@teacher_prix It depends a lot on how well students get along with each other. But 1st draft seems to work best. #ELTChat

9:24 pm

ShellTerrell:

@antoniaclare thanks for sharing! #eltchat

9:24 pm

rliberni:

What about diaries? How much mileage is there in using this format? #eltchat

9:24 pm

antoniaclare:

RT @cerirhiannon: in order to learn to write they need to write! seems obvious, little &often in class is a good way to start #eltchat >yes

9:24 pm

sandymillin:

@Shaunwilden Have used Google Docs for collaborative written answers to comprehension questions - SS didn't realise were writing #ELTChat

9:24 pm

kbyam18:

RT @cerirhiannon: in order to learn to write they need to write! seems obvious, little &often in class is a good way to start ... #eltchat

9:24 pm

DaveDodgson:

@Shaunwilden I've used typewith.me for collaborative error correction across multiple computers #ELTchat

9:24 pm

ELTtech:

Keeping a diary is a good way to practice writing. Teachers should do the same for class analysis/reflection #ELTchat

9:24 pm

toulasklavou:

@Marisa_C @AlexandraKouk how do u do this?pls explain a bit #eltchat

9:25 pm

theteacherjames:

@mmgrinberg It takes training. You've have to put a lot of work in at the beginning, but it's really worth it. #eltchat

9:25 pm

europeaantje:

@Shaunwilden have used wikis within moodle. google docs an option, too #ELTChat

9:25 pm

Marisa_C:

RT @sandymillin: @Shaunwilden Have used Google Docs for collaborative written answers to comp Qs- SS didn't realise were writing #ELTChat

9:25 pm

LauraAustinNow:

I tried the OELD iwriter today. Amazing for getting students to structure their writing, by far the best software out there! #ELTchat

9:25 pm

bcnpaul1:

do we ever ask our sts why they think it's important to be able to write well? get some ideas from them about why & it works better #eltchat

9:25 pm

sandymillin:

@theteacherjames Give feedback with code, ask SS to return to me, 2nd time round I correct / discuss corrections #eltchat

9:25 pm

vladkaslniecko:

@Marisa_C :D #eltchat

9:25 pm

russell1955:

I find diaries run of energy quickly. Better if you give them regular topics to write about and do peer reading/feedbck #ELTChat

9:25 pm

teacher_prix:

@Shaunwilden: Re: tech to do collaborative writing? -> I tried google docs once! Worked! But it depends on the group profile!!! #eltchat

9:25 pm

sandymillin:

RT @rliberni: @dzyt @sandymillin so maybe writing = essays and reports? #eltchat <writing = things they have to do in exam?

9:25 pm

rliberni:

RT @bcnpaul1: do we ever ask our sts why they think it's important to be able to write well? get some ideas from them about why & it works better #eltchat

9:25 pm

helenstrong:

To do peer feedback you have to direct students towards specific aspects of writing #ELTchat

9:25 pm

ELTtech:

RT @DaveDodgson: @mmgrinberg Collect writing, make a sample paragrapgh with most common misatkes & ask them to correct in groups #ELTchat

9:25 pm

a_ahmad:

never, but thats a great idea for the EFL classroom @hoprea How often do you work with peer correction for writing? #ELTChat

9:25 pm

bcnpaul1:

the best thing about Jing is that it turns a writing activity into a listening activity #eltchat

9:25 pm

BigWorldBgTeach:

@ShellTerrell #eltchat I can see text messaging in class as un-intimidating way to teach writing. High Ss do text all day everyday

9:25 pm

rliberni:

RT @helenstrong: To do peer feedback you have to direct students towards specific aspects of writing #ELTchat

9:25 pm

russell1955:

RT @a_ahmad: never, but thats a great idea for the EFL classroom @hoprea How often do you work with peer correction for writing? #ELTChat

9:25 pm

sandymillin:

RT @bcnpaul1: do we ever ask our sts why they think it's important to be able to write well? get some ideas from them about why & it works better #eltchat

9:25 pm

rliberni:

RT @bcnpaul1: the best thing about Jing is that it turns a writing activity into a listening activity #eltchat

9:26 pm

cerirhiannon:

@Shaunwilden re tech & collaborative w- yes, w luxury of suite of pcs &ss working in groups on creative writing & exam qs - fab! #eltchat

9:26 pm

esolcourses:

RT @rliberni What about diaries? How much mileage is there in using this format? #eltchat ] think diaries ar? (cont) http://deck.ly/~Q8lbv

9:26 pm

dzyt:

@rliberni sorry, what do you mean? do you mean S's idea of writing? #eltchat

9:26 pm

mmgrinberg:

Thanks @theteacherjames @DaveDodgson #eltchat !

9:26 pm

DaveDodgson:

@Shaunwilden Yes but only works with small groups (too many and corrections are done in no time!) #ELTchat

9:26 pm

Marisa_C:

@a_ahmad Yes, that is why it is important to share your criteria for marking #ELTChat

9:26 pm

teacher_prix:

RT @helenstrong: To do peer feedback you have to direct students towards specific aspects of writing - Agreed! #eltchat

9:26 pm

hoprea:

RT @helenstrong: To do peer feedback you have to direct students towards specific aspects of writing #ELTchat <- Absolutely!! :)

9:26 pm

ShellTerrell:

What type of correction system do you use for feedback on written work? Color coding? Comments? Rubrics? #eltchat

9:26 pm

esolcourses:

RT @teacher_prix: RT @helenstrong: To do peer feedback you have to direct students towards specific aspects of writing - Agreed! #eltchat

9:26 pm

Shaunwilden:

Thanks for the all responses re collaborative. writing :-) #ELTChat

9:26 pm

helenstrong:

So get some students to look at structure, some at ideas development, some at lang etc #ELTchat

9:26 pm

russell1955:

I find peer reviewing works if you give them clear guidance/ structure and limit scope #ELTChat

9:26 pm

DaveDodgson:

@Shaunwilden Each change is colour coded so you can see who made it & students love seeing the corrections coming in 'live' #ELTchat

9:26 pm

bcnpaul1:

@dzyt @rliberni ideas = why they think they need to write - for what purpose #eltchat

9:26 pm

mmgrinberg:

Do you read your ss' diaries? #eltchat

9:26 pm

hoprea:

RT @russell1955: I find peer reviewing works if you give them clear guidance/ structure and limit scope #ELTChat <- Yup!! :)

9:26 pm

Marisa_C:

@toulasklavou There are screencasts of DELTA assignments in your wiki TOula - same thing #eltchat

9:26 pm

AlexandraKouk:

@toulasklavou will send you a sample afterwards #eltchat

9:27 pm

ShellTerrell:

RT @BigWorldBgTeach: #eltchat I can see text messaging in class as un-intimidating way to teach writing. High Ss do text all day everyday

9:27 pm

esolcourses:

RT @ShellTerrell: What type of correction system do you use for feedback on written work? Color coding? Comments? Rubrics? #eltchat

9:27 pm

ELTtech:

RT @sandymillin: @theteacherjames Give feedback with code, ask SS to return to me, 2nd time round I correct / discuss corrections #eltchat

9:27 pm

theteacherjames:

My method - 1st draft: peer review, 2nd: correction key, 3rd: overall feedback screencast. Lots of work, but well worth it. #eltchat

9:27 pm

Fuertesun:

@ShellTerrell it depends a code like w/o sp #eltchat

9:27 pm

helenstrong:

Agreed. That's what I do RT @russell1955: I find peer reviewing works if you give them clear guidance/ structure and limit scope #ELTChat

9:27 pm

rliberni:

@esolcourses me too! http://bit.ly/eE3dUB #eltchat

9:27 pm

DaveDodgson:

@ShellTerrell I favour comments. I ask a few questions to stimulate further ideas as well #ELTchat

9:27 pm

DinaDobrou:

RT @rliberni: What about diaries? How much mileage is there in using this format? #eltchat> Like journals?

9:27 pm

dzyt:

RT @bcnpaul1: do we ever ask our sts why they think it's important to be able to write well? get some ideas from them about why & it works better #eltchat

9:27 pm

russell1955:

Whatever correction techniques we use we must try and get students to reflect on their work...it is part of process #ELTChat

9:27 pm

ShellTerrell:

RT @PatParslow: Spelling largely became regulated by creators of dictionaries. US spellings in some cases to underline non-UK base #eltchat

9:27 pm

Marisa_C:

@theteacherjames That is what we have been calling process writing #eltchat

9:27 pm

bcnpaul1:

RT @russell1955: Whatever correction techniques we use we must try and get students to reflect on their work...it is part of process #ELTChat

9:27 pm

mmgrinberg:

Have you used the wiki feature in Moodle? If yes, what can you say? #eltchat

9:27 pm

BigWorldBgTeach:

@ShellTerrell #eltchat Text messaging is familiar territory for most High Ss. Meet them where they R & lead them 2 their dreams

9:28 pm

LauraAustinNow:

RT @russell1955: Whatever correction techniques we use we must try and get students to reflect on their work...it is part of process #ELTChat

9:28 pm

rliberni:

@dzyt yes, I was trying to get to heart of why there is resistance #eltchat

9:28 pm

ELTtech:

RT @russell1955: I find diaries run of energy quickly. Better if you give them regular topics to write about and do peer reading/feedbck #ELTChat

9:28 pm

SueannaN:

RT @russell1955: Whatever correction techniques we use we must try and get students to reflect on their work...it is part of process #ELTChat

9:28 pm

sandymillin:

RT @russell1955: Whatever correction techniques we use we must try and get students to reflect on their work...part of process #ELTChat

9:28 pm

kdkmurph:

@ShellTerrell #eltchat as a student, I find comments most beneficial. The grade is not as important. Comments is where the growth is at

9:28 pm

vladkaslniecko:

RT @russell1955: Whatever correction techniques we use we must try and get students to reflect on their work...it is part of process #ELTChat

9:28 pm

Shaunwilden:

RT @bcnpaul1: the best thing about Jing is that it turns a writing activity into a listening activity #eltchat Agree

9:28 pm

DaveDodgson:

RT @russell1955: Whatever correction techniques we use we must try and get students to reflect on their work - part of process #ELTChat

9:28 pm

ShellTerrell:

RT @kdkmurph: @ShellTerrell #eltchat as a student, I find comments most beneficial. The grade is not as important. Comments is where the growth is at

9:28 pm

hoprea:

If done properly, writing is a great opportunity for students to learn new and appropriate vocabulary. #ELTChat

9:28 pm

Marisa_C:

BTW important Book on Process Wtriting by Ron White & someone Arndt #ELTchat

9:28 pm

russell1955:

RT @ShellTerrell: @Fuertesun I agree! Also depends on my students level & the style and form #eltchat

9:28 pm

rliberni:

@DinaDobrou could be learning diaries or journals or something more personal and creative #eltchat

9:28 pm

esolcourses:

@ShellTerrell I tend to use comments, & direct s's towards specific areas & language points to work on. #eltchat

9:28 pm

ShellTerrell:

RT @BigWorldBgTeach: #eltchat Text messaging is familiar territory for most High Ss. Meet them where they R & lead them 2 their dreams

9:29 pm

helenstrong:

You also have to make it clear exactly what you're looking for in Ss written work. Give lots of guidance #ELTchat

9:29 pm

mariazygourakis:

@ShellTerrell Coding, although do tend to just look at the mark, must always remind them of importance of selfcorrection #eltchat

9:29 pm

theteacherjames:

@ShellTerrell I used an error correction key taken from the BC website, but now I'm leaning towards an Alex Case technique #eltchat

9:29 pm

antoniaclare:

It's important to comment on the content, and point out what they have done well, as well as focus on mistakes. #eltchat

9:29 pm

jheil65:

@ShellTerrell GoogleDocs is great tool 4 giving feedback. I like to have kids use different colors for like ideas & I use comments #eltchat

9:29 pm

teacher_prix:

@theteacherjames: Re: My method - Process writing!!!! Love it! It is demanding, but rewarding! #eltchat

9:29 pm

ShellTerrell:

@BigWorldBgTeach I like that! Agree especially with teens #eltchat

9:29 pm

bcnpaul1:

writing on OHTs, writing on large rolls of paper a couple of great no-tech ways to get good writing #eltchat

9:29 pm

europeaantje:

@mmgrinberg wikis in moodle work fine. html editor easiest option, I find. T can keep track of every st´s contrib (& mark) #eltchat

9:29 pm

hoprea:

One of the best books on writing to me is "The Little Brown Handbook". #ELTChat

9:29 pm

rliberni:

RT @helenstrong: You also have to make it clear exactly what you're looking for in Ss written work. Give lots of guidance #ELTchat #eltchat

9:29 pm

ELTtech:

RT @ShellTerrell: What type of correction system do you use for feedback on written work? Color coding? Comments? Rubrics? #eltchat

9:29 pm

esolcourses:

RT @rliberni: @esolcourses me too! http://bit.ly/eE3dUB #eltchat ] great minds, and all that :-)

9:29 pm

kdkmurph:

what does elt in #eltchat stand for?

9:29 pm

DaveDodgson:

@Shaunwilden @bcnpaul1 A pet hate of mine is the isolating of skills - love it when something like Jing brings them together #ELTchat

9:29 pm

helenstrong:

RT @antoniaclare: It's important to comment on the content, and point out what they have done well #eltchat Definitely!

9:29 pm

eTextPrep:

@BigWorldBgTeach We utilize text messaging to help students prepare for testing. You have to communicate on their level. #eltchat

9:30 pm

sandymillin:

@kdkmurph English Language Teaching #eltchat

9:30 pm

rliberni:

RT @hoprea: One of the best books on writing to me is "The Little Brown Handbook". #ELTChat

9:30 pm

Marisa_C:

Give the Ss your error correction code and let them loose on each other's writing - no mark - THEY mark on basis of criteria #ELTchat

9:30 pm

DinaDobrou:

@russell1955 Or tell them to focus only on one aspect. ie. spelling, organisation etc? #ELTchat

9:30 pm

bcnpaul1:

RT @DaveDodgson: A pet hate of mine is the isolating of skills - love it when something like Jing brings them together #ELTchat > yes!

9:30 pm

ShellTerrell:

@esolcourses my adult students prefer this method #eltchat

9:30 pm

AlexandraKouk:

RT @Marisa_C: Give the Ss your error correction code and let them loose on each other's writing - no mark - THEY mark on basis of criteria #ELTchat

9:30 pm

toulasklavou:

any effective techniques or activities to help them learn write? #eltchat

9:30 pm

mmgrinberg:

@europeaantje What levels do you use it with? What about elementary / beginners? Mine haven't mastered the interface yet #eltchat

9:30 pm

ShellTerrell:

RT @jheil65: GoogleDocs is great tool 4 giving feedback. I like to have kids use different colors for like ideas & I use comments #eltchat

9:30 pm

rliberni:

RT @theteacherjames: @ShellTerrell I used an error correction key taken from the BC website, but now I'm leaning towards an Alex Case technique #eltchat

9:30 pm

Shaunwilden:

RT @antoniaclare: It's imp to comment on content&point out what they have done well, as well as focus on mistakes. #eltchat Comp. agree

9:30 pm

rliberni:

RT @mariazygourakis: @ShellTerrell Coding, although do tend to just look at the mark, must always remind them of importance of selfcorrection #eltchat

9:30 pm

cioccas:

RT @bcnpaul1: the best thing about Jing is that it turns a writing activity into a listening activity #eltchat > agree!

9:30 pm

mariazygourakis:

RT @rliberni: RT @helenstrong: You also have to make it clear exactly what you're looking for in Ss written work. Give lots of guidance #ELTchat #eltchat

9:30 pm

Marisa_C:

@toulasklavou google docs and etherpad #eltchat

9:30 pm

russell1955:

The research on feedback is quite amazing. Students misunderstand so much of it, Code systems are often confusing #ELTChat

9:30 pm

dansgi:

#ELTchat do you think dictation still has a place in the efl classroom?

9:31 pm

theteacherjames:

@Marisa_C Absolutely, I spend more time on how to write than what to write. #eltchat

9:31 pm

bcnpaul1:

I love writing & I think my sts do if they know I'm taking it seriously. too often T says (apologetically) "Ok - writing today" #eltchat

9:31 pm

esolcourses:

I think when correcting work, it's important to remember to praise s's for things they've done right as well as highlight mistakes #eltchat

9:31 pm

ShellTerrell:

Yes RT @mariazygourakis: Coding, although do tend to just look at the mark, must always remind them of importance of selfcorrection #eltchat

9:31 pm

juglialoro:

RT @cybraryman1: My Writing Resources page (has writing links for ELLs): http://bit.ly/aRshFJ #ELTchat

9:31 pm

DaveDodgson:

RT @russell1955: The research on feedback is quite amazing. Students misunderstand so much of it, Code systems are often confusing #ELTChat

9:31 pm

Fuertesun:

@theteacherjames whhat's Case's technique? #ELTChat

9:31 pm

ELTtech:

RT @DaveDodgson: RT @russell1955: Whatever correction techniques we use we must try and get students to reflect on their work - part of process #ELTChat

9:31 pm

hoprea:

Does any one use selective correction? Focusing only on certain areas when correcting writing... #ELTChat

9:31 pm

cerirhiannon:

RT @russell1955: research on feedback is amazing. Students misunderstand so much of it, Code systems often confusing #ELTChat > so agree!

9:31 pm

rliberni:

@dzyt so we need to start by building confidence in writing from the beginning perhaps #eltchat

9:31 pm

antoniaclare:

RT @russell1955: Students misunderstand so much of it, Code systems are often confusing #ELTChat > Yes, they confuse me!

9:31 pm

teacher_prix:

RT @Marisa_C: @toulasklavou google docs and etherpad => How do you use etherpad in class? #eltchat

9:31 pm

Shaunwilden:

Following on from @antoniaclare:point, teachers need to see marking as feedback not just error correction #eltchat

9:31 pm

cioccas:

RT @esolcourses: when correcting work, it's important to praise s's for things they've done right as well as highlight mistakes #eltchat

9:32 pm

helenstrong:

RT @dansgi: #ELTchat do you think dictation still has a place in the efl classroom? Dictogloss definitely

9:32 pm

Marisa_C:

@DinaDobrou text highlighters? #ELTchat e,g, pink for verbs blue for vocab etc

9:32 pm

ShellTerrell:

@mariazygourakis I think you're absolutely right to remind them of importance & how it improves their writing #eltchat

9:32 pm

cerirhiannon:

RT @cioccas: RT @esolcourses: when correcting work, it's important to praise s's for things they've done right as well as highlight mistakes #eltchat

9:32 pm

bcnpaul1:

RT @esolcourses: when correcting work, important to remember to praise s's for things they do right as well as highlight mistakes #eltchat

9:32 pm

sandymillin:

#eltchat used @englishraven's materials for getting SS to write q's today http://bit.ly/gegkJ5 - another 'didn't notice it was writing' time

9:32 pm

janebarden:

#eltchat reflection is paramountlearn through mistakes and self corrections.Correction symbols good idea and system put upon all classwalls

9:32 pm

theteacherjames:

RT @ShellTerrell: RT @jheil65: GoogleDocs is great tool 4 giving feedback. I like to have kids use different colors for like ideas & I use comments #eltchat

9:32 pm

hoprea:

@Shaunwilden @antoniaclare And that means paying attention to the many roles teachers play in writing. :) #ELTChat

9:32 pm

bcnpaul1:

do you always give sts a mark? #eltchat

9:32 pm

Shaunwilden:

RT @russell1955: Code systems are often confusing #ELTChat Yes really confusing, avoid using them if I can, just an added level of stress

9:32 pm

Marisa_C: