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To Test or not to Test And if we don't, what then

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Transcript for January 19, 2011 12:00 p.m. GMT

11:55 am ShellTerrell: RT @englishraven: 5 mins to #ELTChat folks... 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us!
11:55 am Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: 5 mins to #ELTChat folks... 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us!
11:56 am rliberni: RT @englishraven: 5 mins to #ELTChat folks... 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us!
11:56 am DinaDobrou: Off to work! Will catch 2nd #ELTchat later tonight, hopefully with a couple of visitors...let's see...bye all.
11:56 am janetbianchini: RT @DinaDobrou This looked clear and succinct: http://bit.ly/h37j44 Hope it helps. #ELTchat - Very interesting, thanks!
11:56 am mmgrinberg: RT @Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: 5 mins to #ELTChat folks... 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us!
11:57 am esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: 5 mins to #ELTChat folks... 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us!
11:57 am JoeMcVeigh: Sorry, must clear snow from driveway and take son to school. Have a great #ELTchat, everyone.
11:58 am cerirhiannon: RT @JoeMcVeigh: Sorry, must clear snow from driveway and take son to school. Have a great #ELTchat, everyone.
11:58 am sandymillin: RT @englishraven: 5 mins to #ELTChat folks... 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us!
11:58 am erikaosvath: @janetbianchini Thank, Janet. Will give it a read after the chat :-) #ELTChat
11:59 am Marisa_C: May we aske fellow teachers NOT to tweet about other links, their wonderful blogposts etc. DURING #ELTchat. It confuses ppl who follow it
11:59 am janetbianchini: RT @bcnpaul1 my post a little while ago on testing.. links in it to two gr8 posts by @michelleworganhttp://bit.ly/gukogs #eltchat
12:00 pm sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: May we aske fellow teachers NOT to tweet about other links, their wonderful blogposts etc. DURING #ELTchat. It confuses ppl who follow it
12:00 pm barbsaka: RT @Marisa_C: May we aske fellow teachers NOT to tweet other links, wonderful blogposts etc. DURING #ELTchat. It confuses ppl who follow it
12:00 pm JoeMcVeigh: On way out door, highly recommend A Practical Guide to Assessing ELLs by Coombe, Folse, Hubley. - U Michigan P. Very practical #ELTchat.
12:00 pm cerirhiannon: school run calling me away too #eltchat have a great convo - will be following on the transcript
12:00 pm michelleworgan: Hello everybody on #ELTchat, just finished cleaning bathroom in time!
12:00 pm barbsaka: It's 9 pm in Japan...Here we go! For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTChat: Testing--Should we? How?
12:00 pm bcnpaul1: @Marisa_C oops #eltchat
12:01 pm janetbianchini: Hi all! It's a nice sunny afternoon here in Abruzzo. Looking forward to #ELTChat now
12:01 pm Maha9313: RT @sandymillin: RT @englishraven: 5 mins to #ELTChat folks... 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us!
12:01 pm Marisa_C: @barbsaka Hello Barbara and welcome to #ELTchat! It's great to have you moderate with us today!
12:01 pm erikaosvath: I believe in self-assessment rather than testing or as a part of testing. #ELTChat
12:01 pm JoshSRound: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTChat Hi everyone!
12:01 pm sandymillin: RT @JoshSRound: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTChatHi everyone!
12:01 pm bcnpaul1: RT @barbsaka: It's 9 pm in Japan...Here we go! For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTChat: Testing--Should we? How?
12:01 pm hideotakamini: RT @ShellTerrell: Incredible opportunity to attend gr8test Edu conf in Istanbul w expenses paidhttp://bit.ly/dJ6ldL #eltchat #istek #esl
12:01 pm barbsaka: @erikaosvath How do you have students self-asses? #ELTChat
12:01 pm englishraven: Okay, it's #ELTChat time. I'm co-moderating tonight with @Marisa_C@rliberni and special guest @barbsaka
12:01 pm Marisa_C: May I ask you to remember the #ELTchat hashtag
12:02 pm Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: Okay, it's #ELTChat time. I'm co-moderating tonight with @Marisa_C @rliberni and special guest @barbsaka
12:02 pm barbsaka: How else do you asses your students? #ELTChat
12:02 pm sandymillin: #eltchat We're in middle of mid-year testing season - obligatory for company figures + to be sent to head office. Not always good idea?
12:02 pm esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C May we ask fellow teachers NOT to use #ELTChat hashtag to tweet abt other links DURING #ELTchat. It confuses ppl who follow it
12:02 pm JoshSRound: Self-assessment an important learner tool - how do you promote it? #eltchat
12:02 pm esolcourses: RT @englishraven: Okay, it's #ELTChat time. I'm co-moderating tonight with @Marisa_C @rliberni and special guest @barbsaka
12:02 pm barbsaka: @sandymillin What ages are you teaching? #eltchat
12:02 pm rliberni: RT @esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C May we ask fellow teachers NOT to use #ELTChat hashtag to tweet abt other links DURING #ELTchat. It confuses ppl who follow it
12:02 pm Marisa_C: We're talking testing today on #ELTchat pls join us for a great discussion and share your ideas
12:02 pm bcnpaul1: @JoshSRound hey Josh #eltchat
12:03 pm englishraven: @erikaosvath Self-assessment... manageable across lg # of Ss? Contexts where testing considered crucial? #ELTChat
12:03 pm englishraven: RT @Marisa_C: We're talking testing today on #ELTchat pls join us for a great discussion and share your ideas
12:03 pm hideotakamini: RT @chucksandy: charming, powerful short video: the real voices of Japanese students via Tim Murphy's classroom. http://bit.ly/icj6Zb #JALT #edchat#eltchat
12:03 pm sandymillin: @barbsaka #eltchat Teach everything: YL (they have portfolios), teens, adults, business, exam, 121...you name it!
12:03 pm esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: We're talking testing today on #ELTchat pls join us for a great discussion and share your ideas
12:03 pm JoshSRound: Here in continuous enrolment setting, testing raises some problems (students may be here for just one week for eg) #eltchat
12:03 pm barbsaka: @JoshSRound More than promote...how do you get students to be effective self-assessers? #eltchat
12:03 pm englishraven: RT @sandymillin: #eltchat We're in middle of mid-year testing season - obligatory for company figures + to be sent to head office. Not always good idea?
12:03 pm michelleworgan: RT @barbsaka: @JoshSRound More than promote...how do you get students to be effective self-assessers? #eltchat
12:03 pm chucksandy: RT @barbsaka: @erikaosvath How do you have students self-asses? #ELTChat
12:03 pm sandymillin: RT @JoshSRound: Here in continuous enrolment setting, testing raises some problems (students may be here for just one week for eg) #eltchat
12:03 pm MartinWarters: @barbsaka #ELTChat I suppose the real assessment will come with a real world application of the learned skill:)
12:03 pm chucksandy: RT @erikaosvath: I believe in self-assessment rather than testing or as a part of testing. #ELTChat
12:03 pm bcnpaul1: we're also in the midst of mid yr assessment but it's kind of ok & sts enjoy it - type of assessment important i think #eltchat
12:03 pm englishraven: @sandymillin What you describe is the reality for most teachers in most contexts... :-) #ELTChat
12:04 pm hideotakamini: RT @ShellTerrell: Join us for 12noon GMT #ELTchat in 10 minutes "Should we test students? If so, how? If not, what shud we do insted?"
12:04 pm barbsaka: @sandymillin And how does your head office use the test results? #eltchat
12:04 pm erikaosvath: @barbsaka After correcting their tests, THEY try 2 find the answers 2 errors through their books, online resources, etc. #ELTChat
12:04 pm sandymillin: #eltchat Head office uses results to find out if our teaching meets standards (not sure exactly how) and if everything OK at school
12:04 pm englishraven: @bcnpaul1 So your students enjoy assessment? Any characteristics/types you care to pass on? #ELTChat
12:04 pm sandymillin: RT @erikaosvath: @barbsaka After correcting their tests, THEY try 2 find the answers 2 errors through their books, online resources, etc. #ELTChat
12:04 pm michelleworgan: RT @englishraven: @bcnpaul1 So your students enjoy assessment? Any characteristics/types you care to pass on? #ELTChat
12:04 pm bcnpaul1: effective self-assement is difficult but essential to work on all the time #eltchat
12:05 pm fionamau: RT @fionamau: @bcnpaul1 What type do you do? Assessment comes in all colours. #eltchat
12:05 pm rliberni: RT @esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: We're talking testing today on #ELTchatpls join us for a great discussion and share your ideas #eltchat
12:05 pm BethCagnol: Has anyone read Lindsay Clanfield's Six Things post on testing? Very good stuff. #ELTCHAT
12:05 pm JoshSRound: @barbsaka sth still trying to understand in our context, at the mo still promoting via reflection in class #eltchat Do you use portfolios?
12:05 pm rliberni: RT @barbsaka: @JoshSRound More than promote...how do you get students to be effective self-assessers? #eltchat
12:05 pm englishraven: RT @bcnpaul1: effective self-assement is difficult but essential to work on all the time #eltchat > Agreed!
12:05 pm sandymillin: #eltchat Was part of 'most-tested' generation at UK schools. Worked 4 me as liked tests, but not for many friends = stress, low self-confid.
12:05 pm sevans59: #ELTchat testing, not to be confused with teaching.
12:05 pm englishraven: RT @bethcagnol: Has anyone read Lindsay Clanfield's Six Things post on testing? Very good stuff. #ELTCHAT > Highly recommended.
12:05 pm Marisa_C: RT @bethcagnol: Has anyone read Lindsay Clanfield's Six Things post on testing? Very good stuff. #ELTCHAT - link pls?
12:05 pm rliberni: RT @bcnpaul1: effective self-assement is difficult but essential to work on all the time #eltchat
12:05 pm barbsaka: So I hear self-assessment and standardized tests....any other types of assessment in your classes or schools? #ELTchat
12:06 pm englishraven: RT @barbsaka: So I hear self-assessment and standardized tests....any other types of assessment in your classes or schools? #ELTchat
12:06 pm esolcourses: RT @sandymillin: #eltchat Was part of 'most-tested' generation at UK schools. Worked 4 me as liked tests, but not for many friends = stress, low self-confid.
12:06 pm mmgrinberg: #Eltchat Frankly speaking, the Head Office hardly ever have a look at the test results ((
12:06 pm linguaprof: RT @Marisa_C: We're talking testing today on #ELTchat pls join us for a great discussion and share your ideas
12:06 pm michelleworgan: What self assessment activities do you use with YL and abults? #ELTchat
12:06 pm sandymillin: #eltchat Our YLs like doing their portfolios. Very proud of them and put in lots of effort: know parents will see them (under 11s only)
12:06 pm bcnpaul1: we use assessment projects that are a series of themed tasks &encourage production more than remembering rules. sts like the format #eltchat
12:06 pm englishraven: RT @mmgrinberg: #Eltchat Frankly speaking, the Head Office hardly ever have a look at the test results (( > That appears common, too!
12:06 pm chucksandy: I'll bring up the often dreaded BIG tests like TOEIC & TOEFL & others. What to do about them? In my context, the TOEIC is a fact #eltchat
12:06 pm erikaosvath: @englishraven Yes, in my experience it is manageable in other contexts 2. Requires different view on what testing is 4 #ELTChat
12:06 pm JoshSRound: @sandymillin true some ss reallly like tests and expect them, others not so - depends on culture, learning background? #eltchat
12:06 pm Marisa_C: RT @sandymillin: #eltchat Our YLs like doing their portfolios. Very proud of them and put in lots of effort: parents will see them
12:06 pm michelleworgan: I prefer to assess classwork and written homework, as well as std portfolios for YLs #ELTchat
12:06 pm barbsaka: RT @sandymillin: #eltchat Our YLs like doing portfolios. Very proud of them and lots of effort: know parents will see them (under 11s only)
12:06 pm janetbianchini: I find that an informal weekly review of things learned is a great way to help ss understand which areas they need to focus on #ELTChat
12:07 pm agfigueiredo: RT @englishraven: RT @bcnpaul1: effective self-assement is difficult but essential to work on all the time #eltchat >> Agreed! #eltchat
12:07 pm Marisa_C: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat
12:07 pm janetbianchini: RT @bethcagnol Has anyone read Lindsay Clanfield's Six Things post on testing? Very good stuff. #ELTCHAT
12:07 pm sandymillin: @JoshSRound #eltchat Depends on learning background, study skills, family environment (my family supported study time etc)...
12:07 pm englishraven: @erikaosvath Right. I agree it is feasible, but requires a lot of work/pushing/patience at the admin end of things. #ELTChat
12:07 pm barbsaka: So, self-assessment, portfolios, standardized testing, informal teacher assessment....what else? Does anyone make their own tests? #ELTChat
12:07 pm linguaprof: Surprising, not many teachers know exactly what a "placement test" is #ELTchat
12:07 pm Marisa_C: YES #ELTchat
12:07 pm bcnpaul1: @englishraven i think a lot of sts 'enjoy' seeing how they're progressing -assessment done well achieves that without beinga 'test' #eltchat
12:07 pm englishraven: RT @Marisa_C: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat
12:07 pm JoshSRound: RT @Marisa_C: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat No!
12:07 pm SugarJo: RT @Marisa_C: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat YES
12:07 pm michelleworgan: RT @janetbianchini: I find informal weekly review of things learned is great way to help ss understnd which areas need to focus on #ELTChat
12:07 pm peterjohnfenton: problem with self-assessment is many students don't see the point - 'surely that's the teacher's job' attitude often exists #eltchat
12:08 pm fionamau: @barbsaka #eltchat End of term business presentation (invent a business,create a powerpoint. give the presentation in pairs/threes.
12:08 pm sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat <yes for YLs, no for others
12:08 pm BethCagnol: @englishraven @bcnpaul1 I need to put together a self-assessment questionnaire this week. Any online suggestions? #ELTCHAT
12:08 pm bjornhg: #eltchat self.assessment based on clear criteria in advance, use portfolio, videotape and self-assess based on criteria, stdts set own goals
12:08 pm rliberni: RT @englishraven: RT @Marisa_C: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat #eltchat
12:08 pm luthcal: Hi peolpe, Luciana from Brazil, just got started. A little lost yet, but delighted. Will engage more effectively next #ELTChat.
12:08 pm sandymillin: RT @barbsaka: Does anyone make their own tests? #ELTChat <yes, we have to make all tests based on what SS have done
12:08 pm SueannaN: RT @JoshSRound: Here in continuous enrolment setting, testing raises some problems (students may be here for just one week for eg) #eltchat
12:08 pm englishraven: Interesting... despite the buzz about portfolio-based assessment, I saw for myself some prbs with this last term... #ELTChat
12:08 pm Marisa_C: RT @sandymillin: RT @barbsaka: Does anyone make their own tests? #ELTChat <yes, we have to make all tests based on what SS have done
12:08 pm rliberni: RT @bcnpaul1: @englishraven i think a lot of sts 'enjoy' seeing how they're progressing -assessment done well achieves that without beinga 'test' #eltchat
12:08 pm chucksandy: in my own classes assessment is continual & ongoing: self & peer of almost everything we do. No testing. Just evaluating. #eltchat
12:08 pm JoshSRound: RT @janetbianchini: an informal review of things learned is a great way to help ss understand what they need to focus on #ELTChat Agree
12:08 pm BethCagnol: @Marisa_C Sorry, currently commenting to class so linkless. #ELTCHAT
12:08 pm sandymillin: RT @peterjohnfenton: problem with self-assessment is many students don't see the point - 'surely that's the teacher's job' attitude often exists #eltchat
12:08 pm michelleworgan: Many materials and course books for YLs now come with self assessment exercises and portfolios #ELTchat
12:09 pm barbsaka: RT @sandymillin: RT @barbsaka: Does anyone make their own tests? #ELTChat <yes, we have to make all tests based on what SS have done
12:09 pm englishraven: I think, for the purposes of this chat, we need to be careful to consider difference b/w assessment, evaluation and testing. #ELTChat
12:09 pm mmgrinberg: @Marisa_C No portfolios here where I work, and that's a shame #Eltchat
12:09 pm rliberni: I don't think there is a 1 size fits all it really depends on teh stds & their needs #eltchat
12:09 pm fionamau: RT @michelleworgan: I prefer to assess classwork and written homework, as well as std portfolios for YLs #ELTchat
12:09 pm bcnpaul1: @bethcagnol i have a self-assessment sheet i can send you - it's on a word doc. tho' #eltchat
12:09 pm erikaosvath: @michelleworgan Lts of reflection type activities w/ YL. List of activ @ the beginning of class, kids predict how they'll do. /1 #ELTChat
12:09 pm MartinWarters: @janetbianchini #ELTChat goes back to learning being iterative, and also proactive.
12:09 pm englishraven: Our chat topic had the "testing" element as its focus. #ELTChat
12:09 pm galactadon: how about standardized tests of English language (national tests, etc.)? #eltchat
12:09 pm peterjohnfenton: @Marisa_C In the past YES, but didn't really catch on with teachers and wasn't implemented properly RE: portfolio assessment #eltchat
12:09 pm Marisa_C: RT @chucksandy: in my own classes assessment is continual & ongoing: self & peer [..]. No testing. Just evaluating. #eltchat
12:09 pm rliberni: RT @michelleworgan: RT @janetbianchini: I find informal weekly review of things learned is great way to help ss understnd which areas need to focus on #ELTChat
12:10 pm agfigueiredo: @englishraven @barbsaka ongoing assessment of sts performance and participation. #eltchat
12:10 pm sandymillin: RT @englishraven: Our chat topic had the "testing" element as its focus. #ELTChat
12:10 pm luthcal: In Brasilia, we always do our own tests. #ELTChat
12:10 pm JoshSRound: We use Progress Tests in course books, not the best perhaps but serve as a review of what covered in class #eltchat
12:10 pm erikaosvath: @michelleworgan Then repeat process @ the end of the lesson #ELTChat
12:10 pm bcnpaul1: portfolios are great but only if they are continued throughout the year and integrated - too often started & neglected #eltchat
12:10 pm chucksandy: SugarJo RT @Marisa_C: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond w/ YES or NO. #ELTchat In classrooms: YES Schoolwide: no
12:10 pm SueannaN: We use placement tests, but I don't think they are always efficient #eltchat
12:10 pm esolcourses: Not keen on standardised tests myself. Often test on a v.narrow range of outcomes & they can be demotivational for some learners #ELTChat
12:10 pm rliberni: RT @Marisa_C: RT @chucksandy: in my own classes assessment is continual & ongoing: self & peer [..]. No testing. Just evaluating. #eltchat
12:10 pm BethCagnol: @chucksandy I turn the TOEIC into a game-like atmosphere with rewards, etc. Lots of candy handed out. #ELTCHAT
12:10 pm MartinWarters: RT @Marisa_C: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat NO
12:10 pm rliberni: RT @SueannaN: We use placement tests, but I don't think they are always efficient #eltchat
12:10 pm michelleworgan: RT @englishraven: Our chat topic had the "testing" element as its focus. #ELTChat| Ok, so how to make tests both effective and stress-free?
12:10 pm chucksandy: RT @englishraven: I think, for the purposes of this chat, we need to be careful to consider difference b/w assessment, evaluation and testing. #ELTChat
12:11 pm fionamau: #eltchat I get students to make tests. In groups, writing say 6 questions, pin all tests on wall, kids do the one they prefer but not own.
12:11 pm Marisa_C: The problem with institutional or commercial tests is they often don't test HOW you teach and just focus on grammar & vocab #ELTchat
12:11 pm janetbianchini: Yes, every week I used to create my own one-hour review test for ss based on what I had taught them -informal so no marks given #ELTchat
12:11 pm erikaosvath: @englishraven Yes, it does require constant work, all of what you listed :-) #ELTChat
12:11 pm galactadon: administrators are the ones fond of standardized tests, right, never teachers #eltchat
12:11 pm JoshSRound: But assessment of speaking & listening often informal, based on teacher impression #eltchat
12:11 pm englishraven: For those of you out there advocating self-assessment, portfolios etc. what are your views on the more common "testing" elements? #ELTChat
12:11 pm sandymillin: #eltchat standard courses (2 x90 min per week) 'lose' 6 lessons per year on mid / end of yr test - 1 x revision, 1 x test, 1 x diagnositc
12:11 pm rliberni: @esolcourses agreed I think a more individualised approach is more valuable #eltchat
12:11 pm bcnpaul1: @SueAnnan placement tests not efficient - I agree but what else do we do? #eltchat
12:11 pm barbsaka: Testing we use: self-assessment, portfolio, performance (presentation, real-life), informal, teacher-created tests, standardized #ELTChat
12:12 pm sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: The problem with institutional or commercial tests is they often don't test HOW you teach and just focus on grammar & vocab #ELTchat
12:12 pm rliberni: Thee is a big diffenernce between testing for progress and testing for qualification or benchmarking #eltchat
12:12 pm englishraven: RT @galactadon: administrators are the ones fond of standardized tests, right, never teachers #eltchat> Not in all cases!
12:12 pm michelleworgan: RT @fionamau: #eltchat I get students to make tests. In groups, 6 questions, all tests on wall, kids do the one they prefer but not own.
12:12 pm fionamau: #eltchat I also get adults to make vocab cards as we go, keep packs of these cards, use to play 'taboo' type game in threes.
12:12 pm sandymillin: @janetbianchini #eltchat How many hours of lessons per week fed into your one-hour review test?
12:12 pm erikaosvath: RT @michelleworgan: Many materials and course books for YLs now come with self assessment exercises and portfolios #ELTchat> & they are gr8
12:12 pm englishraven: RT @rliberni: Thee is a big diffenernce between testing for progress and testing for qualification or benchmarking #eltchat > So true!
12:12 pm barbsaka: Interesting...no one seems against testing, just how it's done #ELTchat
12:12 pm MartinWarters: RT @galactadon: administrators are the ones fond of standardized tests, right, never teachers #eltchat
12:12 pm JoshSRound: RT @rliberni: Thee is a big difference between testing for progress and testing for qualification or benchmarking #eltchat Absolutely
12:13 pm mmgrinberg: #Eltchat External tests can be extremely motivating, esp for adults. My wife signed up for an A1 test of French and that was a success!
12:13 pm BethCagnol: @sandymillin @barbsaka What urks me is how some students (& teachers) misinterpret the differences between level & progress tests. #ELTCHAT
12:13 pm Marisa_C: RT @barbsaka: Interesting...no one seems against testing, just how it's done #ELTchat - only @chucksandy :-)
12:13 pm bcnpaul1: RT @rliberni: Thee is a big diffenernce between testing for progress and testing for qualification or benchmarking #eltchat
12:13 pm luthcal: #ELTChat Making test day a learning day, so as not to miss so much time on just testing.
12:13 pm fionamau: #eltchat Teens make a sort of Trivial Pursuit to test different things, and play once a month or at end of intensive summer course.
12:13 pm sandymillin: RT @bcnpaul1: portfolios great only if continued through the year and integrated - too often started & neglected #eltchat <in our syllabus
12:13 pm galactadon: what about test prep? Is it more valuable to test when students know in advance & study, or surprise tests to judge everyday skill #eltchat
12:13 pm harrisonmike: Same here! RT @rliberni: RT @SueannaN: We use placement tests, but I don't think they are always efficient #eltchat
12:13 pm esolcourses: @SueAnnan another problem with placement tests is that some s's may have already done them elsewhere & might remember the answers! #ELTchat
12:13 pm englishraven: @barbsaka I think more accurate to say people are not against assessment/evaluation... Testing is one of the ways to do it. #ELTChat
12:13 pm englishraven: RT @harrisonmike: Same here! RT @rliberni: RT @SueannaN: We use placement tests, but I don't think they are always efficient #eltchat
12:13 pm erikaosvath: RT @esolcourses: Not keen on standardised tests myself. Often test on a v.narrow range of outcomes & they can be demotivational for some learners #ELTChat
12:13 pm michelleworgan: I generally avoid testing with YLs as they are constantly being tested at school #ELTchat
12:13 pm chucksandy: @bethcagnol: candy in TOEIC class - sweet ^^ Too much emphasis on score in my school. Rewards given for high 1s. Others feel bad #eltchat
12:13 pm MartinWarters: @erikaosvath @michelleworgan #ELTchat, and the CEFR can do statements.
12:13 pm rliberni: Sorry about typos! trying to answer phone & type!! #eltchat
12:14 pm erikaosvath: RT @Marisa_C: The problem with institutional or commercial tests is they often don't test HOW you teach and just focus on grammar & vocab #ELTchat
12:14 pm edumazing: Politicians are too. RT @galactadon: administrators are the ones fond of standardized tests, right, never teachers #eltchat
12:14 pm englishraven: RT @chucksandy: @bethcagnol: candy in TOEIC class - sweet ^^ Too much emphasis on score in my school. Rewards given for high 1s. Others feel bad #eltchat
12:14 pm sandymillin: RT @fionamau: #eltchat adults make vocab cards , keep packs of these cards, use to play 'taboo' type game in 3s <+ many games - will blog
12:14 pm bcnpaul1: don't students ever ask to be tested? Do we ever talk to them about the best way for them to see their progress? - we should #eltchat
12:14 pm sandymillin: RT @mmgrinberg: #Eltchat External tests can be extremely motivating, esp for adults. My wife signed up for an A1 test of French and that was a success!
12:14 pm englishraven: RT @bcnpaul1: don't students ever ask to be tested? Do we ever talk to them about the best way for them to see their progress? - we should #eltchat
12:14 pm rliberni: @harrisonmike I have a very simple mcq placement test & I find it quite accurate #eltchat
12:14 pm mmgrinberg: #eltchat Placement test are often limited to Grammar / Vocab
12:14 pm chucksandy: @marisa-c: Oh, I'm very against testing & don't mind saying so. Any others out there? #eltchat
12:14 pm BethCagnol: @bcnpaul1 Just DMed you my email address for that assessment sheet. Thanks! #ELTCHAT
12:15 pm barbsaka: RT @bcnpaul1: don't students ever ask to be tested? Do we talk to them about best way for them to see their progress? - we should #eltchat
12:15 pm sandymillin: RT @galactadon: what about test prep? Is it more valuable to test when students know in advance & study, or surprise tests to judge everyday skill #eltchat
12:15 pm justyayu: I'm giving end term tests (based on text books)this week but I don't see that they help students improve their English. #ELTchat
12:15 pm rliberni: @harrisonmike (unless the stds get their wives to do it - which happened once & I planned for adv and got pre-int!! #eltchat
12:15 pm galactadon: how does the general testing culture in your country play into your use of tests in ESL classroom? #eltchat
12:15 pm Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 I think most Ss EXPECT to be tested - adults - or the parents do for YLs #eltchat
12:15 pm englishraven: RT @chucksandy: @marisa-c: Oh, I'm very against testing & don't mind saying so. Any others out there? #eltchat > Yep, me!
12:15 pm barbsaka: @bcnpaul1 My students asked to take a national exam this year :-) #eltchat
12:15 pm fionamau: RT @bcnpaul1: @englishraven a lot of sts 'enjoy' seeing how progressing -assessmt done well achieves that w'out beinga 'test' #eltchat
12:15 pm englishraven: RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 I think most Ss EXPECT to be tested - adults - or the parents do for YLs #eltchat > Yes, this is huge...
12:15 pm bcnpaul1: RT @mmgrinberg: #Eltchat External tests can be extremely motivating, esp for adults. My wife signed up for an A1 test of French and that was a success!
12:15 pm BethCagnol: RT @englishraven: RT @rliberni: Thee is a big diffenernce between testing for progress and testing for qualification or benchmarking #eltchat > So true!
12:15 pm esolcourses: RT @bcnpaul1: don't students ever ask to be tested? Do we ever talk to them about the best way for them to see their progress? - we should #eltchat
12:15 pm Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: RT @chucksandy: Oh, I'm very against testing & don't mind saying so. Any others out there? #eltchat > Yep, me! > Me 2
12:15 pm sandymillin: RT @bcnpaul1: don't students ever ask to be tested? we should #eltchat <my teens do - they expect it from school
12:15 pm barbsaka: Important to test what we teach :-) RT @mmgrinberg: #eltchat Placement test are often limited to Grammar / Vocab
12:16 pm galactadon: people love tests though. Some of the most popular content on MSN network is quizzes and tests. As in Cosmo mag. #eltchat
12:16 pm mmgrinberg: #ELTchat Good tips re student-generated testing in good old Minimax book by Jon Taylor
12:16 pm janetbianchini: @sandymillin 15 hours per week +2nd teacher would contribute to 6 hours' teaching = 21 hours.Test based on grammar, vocab + writing #ELTchat
12:16 pm rliberni: @chucksandy not against testing perse but y r we doing it & what is the benefit to the individ learner? #eltchat
12:16 pm sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 I think most Ss EXPECT to be tested - adults - or the parents do for YLs #eltchat <so question of reeducating ppl?
12:16 pm chucksandy: against testing @englishraven & me. Others? #eltchat
12:16 pm fionamau: RT @sandymillin: RT @barbsaka: Does anyone make their own tests? #ELTChat <yes, we have to make all tests based on what SS have done
12:16 pm barbsaka: RT @rliberni: @chucksandy not against testing perse but y r we doing it & what is the benefit to the individ learner? #eltchat
12:16 pm agfigueiredo: RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 I think most Ss EXPECT to be tested - adults - or the parents do for YLs >agree!! #eltchat
12:16 pm bcnpaul1: who is the test for? Teachers to put a mark on their report & students so they can say they got a 4.5 (better than last term..) #eltchat
12:16 pm Marisa_C: I still like the old Oxford Placement Test (claims to test everything) but no prod skills included #eltchat
12:17 pm englishraven: Good test design is really a major skill. Do many schools/teachers have it? Easy to make poor tests...? #ELTChat
12:17 pm michelleworgan: Stds often like to see some comprhensible data that shows they are learning and progressing, i.e. a number or percentage #ELTchat
12:17 pm barbsaka: @bcnpaul1 Good question, Paul #eltchat
12:17 pm erikaosvath: RT @michelleworgan: I generally avoid testing with YLs as they are constantly being tested at school #ELTchat>& how stressed they are, cruel
12:17 pm bcnpaul1: assessment is different as it deals with real-world production & skills useful for guaging learning rather than numbers #eltchat
12:17 pm sandymillin: RT @bcnpaul1: who is the test for? Teachers to put a mark on their report & students so they can say they got a 4.5 (better than last term..) #eltchat
12:17 pm Marisa_C: I think tests are useful as validations of ongoing assessment - becos official looking - for client #ELTchat
12:17 pm barbsaka: @michelleworgan Parents, too! #ELTchat
12:17 pm JoshSRound: RT @bcnpaul1: assessment is different as it deals with real-world production & skills useful for guaging learning rather than numbers #eltchat
12:17 pm SueannaN: I think it depends on the purpose #eltchat
12:18 pm mmgrinberg: @galactadon My adult ss enjoy tests, but not the teens / YLs #Eltchat
12:18 pm sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: I still like the old Oxford Placement Test but no prod skills #eltchat < we have edited w/ speak & writing < normally works
12:18 pm englishraven: @bcnpaul1 Right. Tests are very seldom predominantly "for" the learners. They're for all the (what I call) "investors"! #ELTChat
12:18 pm BethCagnol: #ELTChat Gonna have to sign off early. Class starting. Teaching a multi-level group of doctors in a mental institution. (I fit right in! ;)
12:18 pm sandymillin: RT @englishraven: Good test design is really a major skill. Do many schools/teachers have it? #ELTChat <do schools train it?
12:18 pm erikaosvath: RT @chucksandy: @marisa-c: Oh, I'm very against testing & don't mind saying so. Any others out there? #eltchat >mee too
12:18 pm SamGliksman: How effective are standardized tests? A. Too limited in scope B. Often inaccurate C. Skew teaching towards results D. All of above #eltchat
12:18 pm Marisa_C: @sandymillin that's what I do too - other ways they are good predictors #eltchat
12:18 pm englishraven: RT @mmgrinberg: @galactadon My adult ss enjoy tests, but not the teens / YLs #Eltchat > Any thoughts about why?
12:18 pm esolcourses: @bcnpaul1 @englishraven I upload quizzes to my site on mistakes made in prev. lessons -s's work to complete tests in groups #eltchat
12:19 pm SueannaN: RT @Marisa_C: I still lk the old Oxford Placement Test but no prod skills #eltchat < we have edited w/ speak & writing > so have we
12:19 pm sandymillin: RT @englishraven: @bcnpaul1 Right. Tests are very seldom predominantly "for" the learners. They're for all the (what I call) "investors"! #ELTChat
12:19 pm galactadon: the big EFL companies (Cambridge ESL, ETS etc.) have hoards of test making specialists. Eng testing is big money. #eltchat
12:19 pm bcnpaul1: @sandymillin they like it (being tested) cause that's the only way they can say got a good mark, but does it mean they're learning? #eltchat
12:19 pm cybraryman1: Is there teacher input in the design of the tests to make them more useful for evaluation? #eltchat
12:19 pm barbsaka: Bril! RT @esolcourses: I upload quizzes to my site on mistakes made in prev. lessons -s's work to complete tests in groups #eltchat
12:19 pm MartinWarters: @Marisa_C #ELTchat Not too sure about the minimal pairs aspect of the listening test:)
12:19 pm englishraven: @esolcourses I think tests built around the learners own specific needs/previous mistakes can be a good way to go. #ELTChat
12:19 pm SugarJo: #ELTchat My students have spent their lives failing tests. Tests produce fear in my students. I have to find other ways to assess.
12:19 pm chucksandy: I love assessment. I love peers assessing each other. I hate standardized test tho & the culture that give those tests power #eltchat
12:19 pm englishraven: RT @SugarJo: #ELTchat My students have spent their lives failing tests. Tests produce fear in my students. I have to find other ways to assess.
12:20 pm fionamau: RT @barbsaka: Interesting...no one seems against testing, just how it's done #ELTchat > exercise types should always b same as ones in class
12:20 pm barbsaka: RT @SugarJo: #ELTchat My students have spent lives failing tests. Tests produce fear in my students. I have to find other ways to assess.
12:20 pm sandymillin: RT @galactadon: the big EFL companies (Cambridge ESL, ETS etc.) have hoards of test making specialists. Eng testing is big money. #eltchat
12:20 pm janetbianchini: Noisy +sometimes unmotivated groups of teens would always be quiet and concentrated during the weekly informal "review"( test) Why? #ELTChat
12:20 pm englishraven: @SugarJo But may I ask (devil's advocate...) is it just "tests" -- or the form/focus/delivery of the tests? #ELTChat
12:20 pm JoshSRound: RT @galactadon: the big EFL companies (Cambridge ESL, ETS etc.) have hoards of test making specialists. Eng testing is big money. #eltchat
12:20 pm erikaosvath: @englishraven: @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 I think most Ss EXPECT 2 B tested #eltchat >I tell parents abt the usefulness of self-ass rthr than test
12:20 pm SueannaN: RT @bcnpaul1: @SueAnnan placement tests not efficient - I agree but what else do we do? > espec multiple choice #eltchat
12:21 pm sandymillin: RT @cybraryman1: teacher input in the design of the tests to make them more useful for evaluation? #eltchat <depends on school I think
12:21 pm sandymillin: RT @barbsaka: Bril! RT @esolcourses: I upload quizzes to my site on mistakes made in prev. lessons -s's work to complete tests in groups #eltchat
12:21 pm agfigueiredo: @sandymillin @bcnpaul1 who's the test for?... let's not forget parents who need 'proof' of their children's performance #eltchat
12:21 pm sandymillin: RT @SugarJo: #ELTchat My students have spent their lives failing tests. Tests produce fear in my students. I have to find other ways to assess.
12:21 pm bcnpaul1: I told a student he needed to work harder & he said 'i'll do better in the next test"... "what about in between" I said #eltchat
12:21 pm chucksandy: RT @barbsaka: RT @SugarJo: #ELTchat My students have spent lives failing tests. Tests produce fear in my students. I have to find other ways to assess.
12:21 pm mmgrinberg: #ELTchat Adults are motivated; they know why and what for they are being tested
12:21 pm bcnpaul1: RT @chucksandy: I love assessment. I love peers assessing each other. I hate standardized test tho & the culture that give those tests power #eltchat
12:21 pm SugarJo: #ELTchat @englishraven The kinds of tests so beloved of the system here do not suit some students, but I think thet
12:21 pm englishraven: I'm not keen on the tests we have/use in most places. I'm not entirely against testing as a notion or procedure. #ELTChat
12:22 pm fionamau: RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 I think most Ss EXPECT to be tested - adults - or the parents do for YLs #eltchat
12:22 pm chucksandy: RT @JoshSRound: RT @galactadon: the big EFL companies (Cambridge ESL, ETS etc.) have hoards of test making specialists. Eng testing is big money. #eltchat
12:22 pm sandymillin: RT @janetbianchini: noisy teens would always be quiet and concentrated during weekly informal "review"( test) Why? #ELTChat <it's serious!
12:22 pm harrisonmike: @rliberni Oh dear!! I find you get a lot out of just talking to the Sts for placement testing #eltchat
12:22 pm stopspanglish: #ELTChat: Spanish students cannot keep tests once they've been marked. Mine appreciate having feedback on what they can do to improve.
12:22 pm bcnpaul1: @agfigueiredo true - that's always the problem though - it's a proof thing that isn't real #eltchat
12:22 pm michelleworgan: @agfigueiredo There is often a huge diff btw test result and general progress - can get a bad test mark but good marks on report #ELTchat
12:22 pm SueannaN: RT @harrisonmike: @rliberni Oh dear!! I find you get a lot out of just talking to the Sts for placement testing #eltchat
12:22 pm sandymillin: RT @bcnpaul1: I told a student he needed to work harder & he said 'i'll do better in the next test"... "what about in between" I said #eltchat
12:22 pm janetbianchini: @englishraven @esolcourses I agree - tests were always based on ss errors / problem areas to help them review and improve #ELTchat
12:22 pm sandymillin: RT @mmgrinberg: #ELTchat Adults are motivated; they know why and what for they are being tested <most of the time, not always
12:22 pm erikaosvath: Kids need 2 be motivated to B able 2 identify their own learning priorities, have control over theri learning rather than tests #ELTChat
12:22 pm JoshSRound: On our Foundation course, we have cont assess with varying assignment types & increasing level of weighting, low-risk to higher #eltchat
12:23 pm chucksandy: RT @bcnpaul1: I told a student he needed to work harder & he said 'i'll do better in the next test"... "what about in between" I said #eltchat
12:23 pm michelleworgan: @bcnpaul1 And parents ask why their child got a good report when did badly on test! They just don't get it #ELTchat
12:23 pm barbsaka: Problems with tests--mismatch between how we test and what we teach (e.g., written test in oral English) #eltchat
12:23 pm galactadon: when students are used to comparative tests ranking them against peers, it is hard to convince them that they don't need that #eltchat
12:23 pm SueannaN: RT @galactadon: when students are used to comparative tests ranking them against peers, it is hard to convince them that they don't need that #eltchat
12:23 pm englishraven: Let's not forget that tests can actually be quite effective for learning (stretching, remembering, guessing), if done well. #ELTChat
12:23 pm ALiCe__M: @englishraven I am against testing. It brings back feelings of fear and failure. #ELTchat
12:23 pm Marisa_C: RT @sandymillin: RT @mmgrinberg: #ELTchat Adults are motivated; they know why & what for they are being tested <most of the time, not always
12:23 pm fionamau: RT @chucksandy: against testing @englishraven & me. Others? #eltchatAgainst typical four-day tests (2 fr revision, 1 fr test, 1 fr feedback
12:23 pm sandymillin: RT @erikaosvath: Kids need 2 be motivated to B able 2 identify learning priorities, have control over theri learning #ELTChat <how?
12:23 pm rliberni: @harrisonmike I agree this is the best way but it depends how many stds you have & the time also mine's done via email #eltchat
12:23 pm SugarJo: RT @barbsaka: Problems with tests--mismatch between how we test and what we teach (e.g., written test in oral English) #eltchat AGREE
12:24 pm englishraven: RT @SugarJo: RT @barbsaka: Problems with tests--mismatch between how we test and what we teach (e.g., written test in oral English) #eltchat AGREE
12:24 pm stopspanglish: #ELTChat: How do we present the idea of testing to students? I'm with @BCNPaul - maybe we need to show Ss different advantages of testing.
12:24 pm barbsaka: Probs with performance tests also--not always reliable, and depends on raters grading performance same #ELTChat
12:24 pm bcnpaul1: @erikaosvath how do they respond (the parents you tell abt self-assessment) #eltchat
12:24 pm englishraven: RT @stopspanglish: #ELTChat: How do we present the idea of testing to students? I'm with @BCNPaul- maybe we need to show Ss different advantages of testing.
12:24 pm fceblog: #eltchat A class is private. A test is public. Teachers, students, school authorities, parents get to know about test results.
12:24 pm erikaosvath: Tests have become such a norm, that hardly anyone thinks they need to B reconsidered. Why test at all? What does a grade tell U? #ELTChat
12:24 pm janetbianchini: Sometimes got ss to make up own tests, each group a specific topic/ grammar area- collate different parts,do, then peer corrections #ELTchat
12:24 pm peterjohnfenton: @harrisonmike @rliberni Yeah, usually get a good idea of level just by asking sts to spell their name! #eltchat
12:24 pm esolcourses: RT @barbsaka: Probs with performance tests also--not always reliable, and depends on raters grading performance same #ELTChat
12:24 pm sandymillin: #ELTchat Had 17 y-o SS once whose dad shouted at me as his (excellent) son got 85% not 100% <son was stressed as dad had pressured him
12:24 pm chucksandy: @fionamau: four day testing cycles. How awful. Do students get anything out of the process? #eltchat
12:24 pm bcnpaul1: RT @galactadon: when students are used to comparative tests ranking them against peers, it is hard to convince them that they don't need that #eltchat
12:24 pm sandymillin: RT @galactadon: when students are used to comparative tests ranking them against peers, it is hard to convince them that they don't need that #eltchat
12:25 pm sandymillin: RT @englishraven: Let's not forget that tests can actually be quite effective for learning (stretching, remembering, guessing), if done well. #ELTChat
12:25 pm englishraven: If you apply tests but don't use them for grades, the whole dynamic can change quite dramatically... #ELTChat
12:25 pm bcnpaul1: RT @englishraven: Let's not forget that tests can actually be quite effective for learning (stretching, remembering, guessing), if done well. #ELTChat
12:25 pm rliberni: One problem with testing (in edu generally) is that all the emphasis goes to the test which interferes with learning often #eltchat
12:25 pm michelleworgan: @erikaosvath A test grade can tell u very little - its ongoing classroom performance that should tell you how a std is doing #eltchat
12:25 pm barbsaka: RT @englishraven: If you apply tests but don't use them for grades, the whole dynamic can change quite dramatically... #ELTChat
12:25 pm galactadon: Probs with tests - much easier to test things with 'rules' like grammar and vocab. Hard to test what we really want: communication! #eltchat
12:25 pm sandymillin: RT @stopspanglish: #ELTChat: How do we present the idea of testing to students? I'm with @BCNPaul- maybe we need to show Ss different advantages of testing.
12:25 pm esolcourses: RT @barbsaka: RT @englishraven: If you apply tests but don't use them for grades, the whole dynamic can change quite dramatically.. #ELTChat
12:25 pm erikaosvath: @sandymillin Through eg negotiating course content together, reflecting on what their likes, dislikes, performances #ELTChat
12:25 pm sandymillin: RT @fceblog: #eltchat A class is private. A test is public. Teachers, students, school authorities, parents get to know about test results.
12:25 pm englishraven: So is the problem "testing" or how and why it is used? #ELTChat
12:25 pm SueannaN: RT @englishraven: So is the problem "testing" or how and why it is used? #ELTChat
12:25 pm mmgrinberg: #Eltchat Testing cycles seem to be rubbish. What 's the point??
12:26 pm esolcourses: RT @englishraven: So is the problem "testing" or how and why it is used? #ELTChat ] how and why, I'd say
12:26 pm englishraven: RT @galactadon: Probs with tests - much easier to test things with 'rules' like grammar and vocab. Hard to test what we really want: communication! #eltchat
12:26 pm galactadon: @englishraven Tests that don't count towards your grade! Sounds revolutionary #eltchat
12:26 pm Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: If you apply tests but don't use them for grades, the whole dynamic can change quite dramatically.. #ELTChat > Gd point
12:26 pm JoshSRound: RT @barbsaka: performance tests reliability, depends on grading performance same #ELTChat Criteria needs to be clear & understood by ss
12:26 pm chucksandy: RT @esolcourses: RT @barbsaka: RT @englishraven: If you apply tests but don't use them for grades, the whole dynamic can change quite dramatically.. #ELTChat
12:26 pm rliberni: We should test what is learned not work to the test - this should have better validity #eltchat
12:26 pm stopspanglish: Some ideas, from a blog entry at the beginning of Jan.: http://tinyurl.com/39e8m7x #eltchat
12:26 pm rliberni: RT @SueannaN: RT @englishraven: So is the problem "testing" or how and why it is used? #ELTChat#eltchat
12:26 pm esolcourses: RT @rliberni: We should test what is learned not work to the test - this should have better validity #eltchat ] absolutely!
12:26 pm sandymillin: RT @galactadon: Probs with tests - much easier to test things with 'rules' like grammar and vocab. Hard to test what we really want: communication! #eltchat
12:26 pm englishraven: @esolcourses Quite unbelievably, you and I seem to agree about something! :-) : -) :-) #ELTChat
12:26 pm rliberni: RT @stopspanglish: Some ideas, from a blog entry at the beginning of Jan.: http://tinyurl.com/39e8m7x#eltchat
12:26 pm erikaosvath: @bcnpaul1 Sent a letter 2 paretns about self-ass and no testing explaning the value. Nobody opposed it. Guess was lucky :-) #ELTChat
12:26 pm englishraven: RT @rliberni: RT @stopspanglish: Some ideas, from a blog entry at the beginning of Jan.:http://tinyurl.com/39e8m7x #eltchat
12:26 pm barbsaka: IMO most effective assessment is when teachers know students well, BUT this doesn't translate into school admission or scores #ELTChat
12:26 pm michelleworgan: In summer school as DoS I used 2 pay more attention 2 written piece than reading test score for level testing- more enlightening #eltchat
12:26 pm mmgrinberg: #Eltchat How to create tests that don't make the ss feel they've failed smth?
12:27 pm bruno_cesar82: RT @englishraven: Let's not forget that tests can actly be effective 4learning (stretching, remembering, guessing), if done well. #ELTChat
12:27 pm bcnpaul1: RT: @englishraven So is the problem "testing" or how and why it is used? #ELTChat >how & why it's used I'd say- the concept is not a bad one
12:27 pm rliberni: RT @englishraven: @esolcourses Quite unbelievably, you and I seem to agree about something! :-) : -) :-) #ELTChat #eltchat
12:27 pm fionamau: #ELTChat Why does 'the system' advocate learner-centred teaching, specific student needs, humanising etc etc and standardised tests?
12:27 pm cybraryman1: Need to think about differentiated assessment. My Assessment page: http://bit.ly/aO1xZE #eltchat
12:27 pm barbsaka: @bruno_cesar82 When the "test" is to help students identify accomplishments (strengths) and things to work on (weaknesses) #ELTChat
12:27 pm rliberni: RT @cybraryman1: Need to think about differentiated assessment. My Assessment page:http://bit.ly/aO1xZE #eltchat
12:27 pm bruno_cesar82: #eltchat how to get rid of tests when sts are so used to it?
12:27 pm erikaosvath: RT @barbsaka: @bruno_cesar82 When the "test" is to help students identify accomplishments (strengths) and things to work on (weaknesses) #ELTChat
12:27 pm ALiCe__M: @barbsaka yes, but assessment does not necessariliy imply testing #ELTchat
12:27 pm MartinWarters: @rliberni #ELTchat Testing backwash can be both devastating or motivating.
12:28 pm SueannaN: Don't you also test candidates for the CElta in some way? #ELTChat
12:28 pm janetbianchini: RT @englishraven Let's not forget that tests can be quite effective for learning (stretching, remembering, guessing), if done well. #ELTChat
12:28 pm esolcourses: RT @barbsaka: @bruno_cesar82 When the "test" is to help students identify accomplishments (strengths) and things to work on (weaknesses) #ELTChat
12:28 pm barbsaka: @fionamau The "system" in Asia is not learner-centered or about "needs" lol #ELTChat
12:28 pm fionamau: RT @harrisonmike: @rliberni Oh dear!! I find you get a lot out of just talking to the Sts for placement testing #eltchat >> definitely agree
12:28 pm chucksandy: @englishraven: the problem is testing & the businesses who've convinced the culture(s) that these tests are a measure of success #eltchat
12:28 pm rliberni: RT @barbsaka: @bruno_cesar82 When the "test" is to help stdts identify accomplishments (strengths) & things to work on (weaknesses) #eltchat
12:28 pm Mbarek: Hi all #eLtchat ters ; Just joined :-)
12:28 pm bcnpaul1: RT @michelleworgan In summer school as DoS I used 2 pay more attention 2 written piece- more enlightening #eltchat > I agree wholeheartedly
12:28 pm englishraven: RT @galactadon: Tests that don't count towards your grade! Sounds revolutionary #eltchat > Doesn't it just? Turn upside down and look again!
12:28 pm jessmcculloch: @bruno_cesar82 i think we need to show them the value of others ways just like we need to show parents and school admins #eltchat
12:28 pm galactadon: On student failure: if one assessment activity has different levels of response, all correct but more or less advanced = no failure #eltchat
12:28 pm Blog4Edu: via @cecilialcoelho My #TEFL365 Start ? Things and People that Inspire Me http://bit.ly/epEAx0#ELTChat
12:28 pm ShellTerrell: via @cecilialcoelho My #TEFL365 Start ? Things and People that Inspire Me http://bit.ly/epEAx0#eltchat
12:28 pm erikaosvath: RT @bruno_cesar82: #eltchat how 2 get rid of tests when sts R so used 2 it? > thrgh reflection, asking them y NEED iT/USEFUL & how it helps
12:29 pm barbsaka: @ALiCe__M True #ELTchat
12:29 pm cecilialcoelho: Stopped by real quick... Hope you guys are having a great day (and I'm sure a fab #ELTChat. See you soon!
12:29 pm englishraven: @chucksandy I agree. If we use tests as part of learning, not aspects of official performance, they look/feel different #ELTChat
12:30 pm bruno_cesar82: Agree! RT @barbsaka: @bruno_cesar82 When the "test"is 2help sts identify accomplishments (strengths) +things 2 work on (weaknesses) #ELTChat
12:30 pm esolcourses: RT @chucksandy: @englishraven: the problem is testing & the businesses who've convinced the culture(s) that these tests are a measure of success #eltchat
12:30 pm rliberni: @MartinWarters true so how do we promote the positive effects and diminish the negative? #eltchat
12:30 pm StevenHerder: My Ss do TOEFL iBT to go abroad. Highly motivating, real skills acquired. 1st time Ts & Ss on the same page from day 1 #ELTchat
12:30 pm janetbianchini: RT @cybraryman1 Need to think about differentiated assessment. My Assessment page:http://bit.ly/aO1xZE #eltchat
12:30 pm chucksandy: RT @galactadon: On student failure: if one assessment activity has different levels of response, all correct but more or less advanced = no failure #eltchat
12:30 pm englishraven: @cecilialcoelho You don't know what you're missing, mate! :-) #ELTChat
12:30 pm barbsaka: RT @englishraven: @chucksandy I agree. If we use tests as part of learning, not official performance, they look/feel different #ELTChat
12:30 pm DaveDodgson: By @gret My #RSCON11 Take-Aways!: January 8th?s New Teachers Reform Symposium was a wonderful learning ... http://bit.ly/evLUju #ELTchat
12:30 pm ALiCe__M: @chucksandy fully agree ! #ELTchat
12:30 pm fionamau: RT @chucksandy: @fionamau: four day testing cycles. How awful. Do students get anything out of the process? #eltchat Nope, it's time wasted
12:31 pm mmgrinberg: #Eltchat I still think that some kind of external assessment / testing should take place. Otherwise we would over-depend on our emotions
12:31 pm sandymillin: RT @englishraven: So is the problem "testing" or how and why it is used? #ELTChat
12:31 pm Mbarek: RT @rliberni: RT @englishraven: @chucksandy I agree. If we use tests as part of learning, not official performance, they look/feel different #eltchat
12:31 pm sandymillin: RT @galactadon: @englishraven Tests that don't count towards your grade! Sounds revolutionary #eltchat
12:31 pm sandymillin: RT @rliberni: We should test what is learned not work to the test - this should have better validity #eltchat
12:31 pm barbsaka: @mmgrinberg What do you mean by depending on emotions? #Eltchat
12:31 pm stopspanglish: Testing's also a good diagnostic tool for teachers, so we learn what Ss don't understand (& know what to teach better next time.) #ELTchat
12:31 pm michelleworgan: I recently used test in order to get teen stds focussed -they knew they would have to do a test and took things bit more seriously! #eltchat
12:32 pm Marisa_C: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat
12:32 pm chucksandy: @StevenHerder: do ss find IBT test prep motivating in & of itself? Are they learning more because they're aiming for a high score? #eltchat
12:32 pm rliberni: RT @Marisa_C: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat
12:32 pm barbsaka: Me too! RT @Marisa_C: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat
12:32 pm Begabungs: RT @cybraryman1: Need to think about differentiated assessment. My Assessment page:http://bit.ly/aO1xZE #eltchat
12:32 pm michelleworgan: Although I let them use their books ! Open book testing... #eltchat
12:32 pm efl101: @englishraven definately how + why e.g. diagnostic tests to identify student weaknesses/strengths can be v useful #ELTchat
12:32 pm barbsaka: @erikaosvath Good point #ELTChat
12:32 pm galactadon: So how do you test successful communication activity despite student errors? Some errors impede understanding; others don't. #eltchat
12:32 pm englishraven: @stopspanglish Right -- testing can actually help us teach better (if used the right way?) #ELTChat
12:32 pm rliberni: RT @DaveDodgson: By @gret My #RSCON11 Take-Aways!: January 8th?s New Teachers Reform Symposium was a wonderful learning ... http://bit.ly/evLUju #ELTchat
12:32 pm sandymillin: RT @MartinWarters: @rliberni #ELTchat Testing backwash can be both devastating or motivating.
12:32 pm JoshSRound: @michelleworgan Tests can help motivate sometimes, true, perhaps more so with teens #eltchat
12:33 pm fionamau: RT @barbsaka: @fionamau The "system" in Asia is not learner-centered or about "needs" lol #ELTChat>> true, but Europe is very 'Mario/Scott'
12:33 pm englishraven: RT @efl101: definately how + why e.g. diagnostic tests to identify student weaknesses/strengths can be v useful #ELTchat > YES
12:33 pm Marisa_C: Once I taught an ESP group & on day of test they protested - why individual? we've been doing everything in grps - so i LET them!! #ELTchat
12:33 pm barbsaka: @galactadon Guess it would depend on whether the goal was to assess accuracy, or completing goal :-) #eltchat
12:33 pm bcnpaul1: RT @michelleworgan: Although I let them use their books ! Open book testing... #eltchat
12:33 pm englishraven: RT @Marisa_C: Once I taught an ESP group & on day of test they protested - why individual? we've been doing everything in grps - so i LET them!! #ELTchat
12:33 pm esolcourses: RT @englishraven: @stopspanglish Right -- testing can actually help us teach better (if used the right way?) #ELTChat ] agree ( again ;-)
12:33 pm bruno_cesar82: Gr8 point,Jess!RT @jessmcculloch: i think we need 2show them t value of othr ways just like we need 2show parents+school adm #eltchat
12:33 pm chucksandy: @barbsaka: " If we use tests as part of learning, not official performance, they look/feel different" But then that's assessment #ELTChat
12:33 pm luthcal: #ELTChat The idea of group evaluation is also good.
12:34 pm Mbarek: testing should be aligned with teaching ; We test what we teach #eltchat
12:34 pm englishraven: @Marisa_C I love the notion of Ss doing tests in groups! Task-based learning? :-) #ELTChat
12:34 pm Marisa_C: RT @Marisa_C: Interestingly, they collaborated but didn't just copy - results still reflected indiv differences #ELTchat
12:34 pm galactadon: @ barbsaka Oh, goal completion is so much more valuable to me than accuracy, except at the highest levels. #eltchat
12:34 pm michelleworgan: @JoshSRound Young teens take tests more seriously than self.assessment which they thing is easy way out! #eltchat
12:34 pm mmgrinberg: @barbsaka #Eltchat I mean the feelings that both the Ts and the Ls have about what has been achieved.
12:34 pm rliberni: @bcnpaul1 not sure about open-book testing in language dictionaries p'haps but it's skill not knowledge #eltchat
12:34 pm barbsaka: So, part of the challenge is to broaden parent, admin, and student awareness that there's more than one way (and reason) to assess #eltchat
12:34 pm sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat <me 2 - SS like being experts
12:34 pm jessmcculloch: @bruno_cesar82 i say that 'cause have had students 'wonder when we are going to do real work' rather than what we would consider .. #eltchat
12:34 pm barbsaka: agree! RT @galactadon: @ barbsaka Oh, goal completion is so much more valuable to me than accuracy, except at the highest levels. #eltchat
12:34 pm bcnpaul1: RT @stopspanglish Testing's diagnostic tool for t's to learn what Ss don't u'stand (& know what to teach better next time.) #ELTchat >agree
12:34 pm ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C I like this ! communication means at least two people ! why test individuals? why test at all, really. #ELTchat
12:34 pm rliberni: RT @michelleworgan: @JoshSRound Young teens take tests more seriously than self.assessment which they thing is easy way out! #eltchat
12:34 pm englishraven: @stopspanglish How interesting might it be to announce to Ss "We're having a test, to see how effective I (teacher) have been"? #ELTChat
12:34 pm fionamau: RT @Marisa_C: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat >> it's the best way.They revise when creating tests,plus power-play..
12:34 pm stopspanglish: @englishraven : Yup! Get the exams, you start to mark, and... whoops! Looks like THAT one didn't work! Back to the drawing board! #ELTchat
12:35 pm esolcourses: I like to put learners in groups to do tests if possible, as I it gives s's the opportunity to peer correct each other #ELTChat
12:35 pm michelleworgan: Oops, this is going so fast I'm retweeting my own tweet! Sorry! Mistake... #eltchat
12:35 pm englishraven: RT @esolcourses: I like to put learners in groups to do tests if possible, as I it gives s's the opportunity to peer correct each other #ELTChat
12:35 pm bcnpaul1: RT @englishraven: @stopspanglish How interesting might it be to announce to Ss "We're having a test, to see how effective I (teacher) have been"? #ELTChat
12:35 pm jessmcculloch: @bruno_cesar82 to be 'good stuff.,' and have seen them lap up the worksheets I despise. they have the system ingrained in them too #eltchat
12:35 pm chucksandy: RT @englishraven: @stopspanglish How interesting might it be to announce to Ss "We're having a test, to see how effective I (teacher) have been"? #ELTChat
12:35 pm rliberni: RT @esolcourses: I like to put learners in groups to do tests if possible, as I it gives s's the opportunity to peer correct each other #ELTChat
12:35 pm rliberni: RT @fionamau: RT @Marisa_C: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat >> it's the best way.They revise when creating tests,plus power-play..
12:35 pm michelleworgan: RT @esolcourses: I like to put learners in groups to do tests if possible, as it gives ss opportunity to peer correct each other #ELTChat
12:35 pm SugarJo: RT @Marisa_C: tests - why individual? we've been doing everything in grps - so i LET them!! #ELTchat I Works well in my context too
12:35 pm bcnpaul1: @englishraven @stopspanglish Good idea! How effective a teacher I've been... although, er, it's risky #eltchat
12:36 pm rliberni: RT @bcnpaul1: @englishraven @stopspanglish Good idea! How effective a teacher I've been... although, er, it's risky #eltchat
12:36 pm barbsaka: One of the greatest values I've found in testing (formal or informal) is to check how well I did with teaching :-) #eltchat
12:36 pm michelleworgan: RT @fionamau: RT @Marisa_C: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat >> it's the best way.They revise when creating tests
12:36 pm JoshSRound: RT @esolcourses: I like to put learners in groups to do tests if possible, to peer correct each other #ELTChat Good idea
12:36 pm fionamau: RT @englishraven: @stopspanglish testing can actually help us teach better #ELTChat >> or worse if we only teach 2 the exam
12:36 pm esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: Once I taught an ESP group & on day of test they protested - why individual? we've been doing everything in grps - so i LET them!! #ELTchat
12:36 pm cybraryman1: RT @barbsaka: One of the greatest values I've found in testing (formal or informal) is to check how well I did with teaching :-) #eltchat
12:36 pm rliberni: RT @barbsaka: One of the greatest values I've found in testing (formal or informal) is to check how well I did with teaching :-) #eltchat
12:36 pm englishraven: I think good effective assessment is all about triangulation, and good tests under right conditions can be part of that. #ELTChat
12:36 pm chucksandy: how about collaborative testing: ss in groups come up with test questions for other groups who then work together to take the tests #eltchat
12:36 pm bcnpaul1: RT @ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C I like this ! communication means at least two people ! why test individuals? why test at all, really. #ELTchat
12:37 pm Mbarek: RT @englishraven: I think good effective assessment is all about triangulation, and good tests under right conditions can be part of that. #ELTChat
12:37 pm englishraven: RT @chucksandy: how about collaborative testing: ss in groups come up with test questions for other groups who then work together to take the tests #eltchat
12:37 pm erikaosvath: @michelleworgan: @esolcourses: I like to put learners in groups to do tests if possible >I prefer self-correct, so that they learn #ELTChat
12:37 pm chucksandy: RT @SugarJo: RT @Marisa_C: tests - why individual? we've been doing everything in grps - so i LET them!! #ELTchat I Works well in my context too
12:37 pm JoshSRound: @englishraven sorry, triangulation? #eltchat
12:37 pm rliberni: As a tool for assessing the teaching/learning it's valuable maybe time to find a new word for it? #eltchat
12:37 pm stopspanglish: @bcnpaul1: Agreed. Pobody's nerfect, especially teachers. Especially THIS one. #ELTchat.
12:37 pm SueannaN: RT @esolcourses: I lk 2 put learners in groups 2 do tests if possible, > works well in teams/ Grammar auction type thingy #ELTChat
12:37 pm englishraven: @chucksandy student-created tests are some of the best (and most creative/surprising) I have ever seen. #ELTChat
12:37 pm efl101: benchmark test (vocab etc) helps sts monitor own progress and aids motivation? #ELTchat
12:37 pm michelleworgan: @rliberni with open book tests the point is they are revising while doing the test - something my teen stds wouldn't do otherwise.. #eltchat
12:38 pm bruno_cesar82: @jessmcculloch that's the point! Some tchrs boost rivalry amongs sts through their grades. So sad. #eltchat
12:38 pm efl101: RT @chucksandy: how about collaborative testing: ss in groups come up with test questions for other groups who then work together to take the tests #eltchat
12:38 pm rliberni: @MartinWarters I agree I think there is maybe too much emphasis on competition - it's not really valid at all ever! #eltchat
12:38 pm sandymillin: @MartinWarters @rliberni #ELTchat Perhaps to set personal goals in any form of assessment. No need for comparison w/other SS <great idea!
12:38 pm Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 Good tests are part of the evaluation of a course - problem is they are ONLY a tiny part not the WHOLE PIC #ELTchat
12:38 pm galactadon: if communication is the primary goal in learning English (which it should be), then group/pair testing is really the only way. #eltchat
12:38 pm bruno_cesar82: RT @barbsaka: One of the greatest values I've found in testing (formal or informal) is to check how well I did with teaching :-) #eltchat
12:38 pm erikaosvath: RT @SueannaN: RT @esolcourses: I lk 2 put learners in groups 2 do tests if possible, > works well in teams/ Grammar auction type thingy #ELTChat
12:38 pm englishraven: @JoshSRound Triangulation = using more than one source and style of information to draw conclusions. #ELTChat
12:38 pm mmgrinberg: RT @JoshSRound: @englishraven sorry, triangulation? #eltchat
12:38 pm sandymillin: RT @englishraven: @chucksandy student-created tests are some of the best (and most creative/surprising) I have ever seen. #ELTChat
12:38 pm englishraven: RT @galactadon: if communication is the primary goal in learning English (which it should be), then group/pair testing is really the only way. #eltchat
12:38 pm erikaosvath: RT @bruno_cesar82: @jessmcculloch that's the point! Some tchrs boost rivalry amongs sts through their grades. So sad.>very much so #eltchat
12:38 pm esolcourses: @erikaosvath self correction is good, but peer correction also gives speaking & listening practice (killing 2 birds with 1 stone!) #ELTChat
12:38 pm michelleworgan: RT @galactadon: if communication is primary goal in learning Eng(which it should be), group/pair testing is really the only way. #eltchat
12:38 pm kit2kat: @SueAnnan not tested for #CELTA - just interview and mini teach with pre-course exercises which aren't necc. reviewed #ELTChat
12:38 pm sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 Good tests are part of the evaluation of a course - problem is they are ONLY a tiny part not the WHOLE PIC #ELTchat
12:38 pm agfigueiredo: @englishraven @stopspanglish When sts don't go well I tell them it's OUR performance being measured #eltchat
12:38 pm bcnpaul1: gd assessment shd give sts a chance to use all their language (learnt anywhere) in meaningful tasks not just lang. studied in class #eltchat
12:39 pm chucksandy: @barbsaka: "One of the greatest values I've found in testing ... is to check how well I did with teaching" Why not just ask them? #eltchat
12:39 pm janetbianchini: I personally enjoy taking short, sharp tests for my own benefit to show me how I am getting on with a subject #ELTchat
12:39 pm rliberni: RT @englishraven: @chucksandy student-created tests are some of the best (and most creative/surprising) I have ever seen. #ELTChat #eltchat
12:39 pm barbsaka: RT @janetbianchini: I personally enjoy taking short, sharp tests for my own benefit to show me how I am getting on with a subject #ELTchat
12:39 pm englishraven: RT @janetbianchini: I personally enjoy taking short, sharp tests for my own benefit to show me how I am getting on with a subject #ELTchat
12:39 pm StevenHerder: @chucksandy #eltchat J Ss say they work harder knowing the score determines what uni they can join
12:39 pm Marisa_C: @efl101 I like this idea of collaborative tests - groups against groups #eltchat
12:39 pm bcnpaul1: RT @englishraven: @JoshSRound Triangulation = using more than one source and style of information to draw conclusions. #ELTChat
12:39 pm JoshSRound: @englishraven Thanks! #eltchat
12:39 pm rliberni: @michelleworgan oh, I see now #eltchat
12:39 pm fionamau: RT @Marisa_C: @efl101 I like this idea of collaborative tests - groups against groups #eltchat
12:39 pm juliaalling: Brain research suggests that testing helps retention and acquisition of information/knowledge. It's the form of the test that cts #Eltchat
12:39 pm barbsaka: I also like tests that students can take until they get a perfect score--the video game approach to assessment #ELTChat
12:39 pm stopspanglish: @rliberni : The useful thing about a "Test" is that once you do well at one, it can be a source of pride...AND motivation. #ELTchat
12:39 pm SueannaN: @kit2kat but in interview you are 'testing' a set of applic. criteria #CELTA#ELTChat
12:39 pm bruno_cesar82: Great idea!RT @sandymillin: RT @englishraven: @chucksandy st-created tests R some of the best (+ most creative/surprising) Ive seen #ELTChat
12:39 pm juliaalling: RT @barbsaka: RT @janetbianchini: I personally enjoy taking short, sharp tests for my own benefit to show me how I am getting on with a subject #ELTchat
12:40 pm esolcourses: @SueAnnan yes, grammar auction type activities are fun! #ELTChat
12:40 pm rliberni: RT @janetbianchini: I personally enjoy taking short, sharp tests for my own benefit to show me how I am getting on with a subject #eltchat
12:40 pm sandymillin: RT @barbsaka: I also like tests that students can take until they get a perfect score--the video game approach to assessment #ELTChat
12:40 pm bcnpaul1: @Marisa_C yes! and sts often think they can do nothing but cram for the test - i did that & look at me!! :) #eltchat
12:40 pm erikaosvath: @esolcourses I think sts R ready 2 learn difft things, we or peers might not know wht the individuals learning priorities R #ELTChat
12:40 pm ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C I don't like this kind of "competition" with communication and language, it can B stressful for the weakest #ELTchat
12:40 pm barbsaka: RT @ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C I don't like this kind of "competition" with communication and language, it can B stressful for the weakest #ELTchat
12:40 pm sandymillin: RT @ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C I don't like this kind of "competition" with communication and language, it can B stressful for the weakest #ELTchat
12:40 pm englishraven: @JoshSRound hence you might draw on self, peer, portfolio assessmnt alongside a test of some sort... see what it all shows together #ELTChat
12:40 pm stopspanglish: Shades of Kant: Is the test the means to an end, or the end itself? (It *was* Kant, wasn't it?) #ELTchat
12:40 pm Mbarek: Tests need credibility , diagnostic test should be able to give feedback on the level of learners #eltchat
12:40 pm sandymillin: RT @stopspanglish: Shades of Kant: Is the test the means to an end, or the end itself? (It *was* Kant, wasn't it?) #ELTchat
12:41 pm jessmcculloch: @erikaosvath @bruno_cesar82 yes, and our crooms should definitely not be about competition. No wonder so many kids hate school! #eltchat
12:41 pm SugarJo: RT @ALiCe__M I don't like this kind of "competition" with communication and language, it can B stressful for the weakest #ELTchat YES!
12:41 pm galactadon: @janetbianchini "short sharp tests on how you're doing" : sounds like studying to me. Does it count as a test if self-administered? #eltchat
12:41 pm efl101: trick maybe identify sts who respond to/need tests and others for whom it is a nightmare! #ELTchat
12:41 pm chucksandy: @englishraven "student-created tests are some of the best (and most creative/surprising) I've seen" Agree. great learning activity #eltchat
12:41 pm englishraven: Great thing about student-generated tests is that you really don't need to test them after that... :-) #ELTChat
12:41 pm rliberni: @stopspanglish I agree with this but this is also personal & there isn't much validity in comparisons with s/one else #eltchat
12:41 pm sandymillin: #eltchat Has anyone had any success with online testing? How do SS respond?
12:41 pm janetbianchini: RT @JuliaAlling Brain research suggests testing helps retention &acquisition of information/knowledge. It's form of test that cts #Eltchat
12:41 pm barbsaka: @ALiCe__M I have a few students that would totally shut down in a test situation, but quite competent otherwise. #ELTchat
12:41 pm JoshSRound: @englishraven and get a more rounded picture of progress/performance...Yep, v good idea #eltchat
12:41 pm englishraven: RT @SugarJo: RT @ALiCe__M I don't like this kind of "competition" with communication and language, it can B stressful for the weakest #ELTchatYES!
12:41 pm erikaosvath: See, so many different types of preferences in testing. Can we do the same in our teaching? #ELTChat
12:41 pm bcnpaul1: @ALiCe__M I agree - language learning shdn't be a competition with yr peers - it shd be enjoyable & rewarding #eltchat
12:41 pm rliberni: RT @stopspanglish: Shades of Kant: Is the test the means to an end, or the end itself? (It *was* Kant, wasn't it?) #ELTchat #eltchat
12:41 pm sandymillin: RT @efl101: trick maybe identify sts who respond to/need tests and others for whom it is a nightmare! #ELTchat <differentiated testing :)
12:41 pm Marisa_C: @ALiCe__M It's not a competition unless the teacher creates this type of atmosphere #ELTchat
12:41 pm sandymillin: RT @englishraven: Great thing about student-generated tests is that you really don't need to test them after that... :-) #ELTChat
12:41 pm SueannaN: @esolcourses have you seen book 'is that what you mean'? #ELTChat
12:42 pm barbsaka: @sandymillin They like online "quizzes" especially when they'ree game-like #eltchat
12:42 pm ALiCe__M: @barbsaka OUI I''ve seen that so many times !! (and I only teach adults) #ELTchat
12:42 pm englishraven: RT @Marisa_C: @ALiCe__M It's not a competition unless the teacher creates this type of atmosphere #ELTchat
12:42 pm michelleworgan: Is stds create tests do you give them ideas 4 type of exercises or Qs? With YLs it may be "see who can make a test no-one can do!" #eltchat
12:42 pm erikaosvath: RT @englishraven: Great thing about student-generated tests is that you really don't need to test them after that... :-) >agree !#ELTChat
12:42 pm efl101: too often test stops with marking - analysis and feedback = essential #ELTchat
12:42 pm galactadon: @sandymillin we do an absolute ton of online testing in my company (all of it actually) Can be less stressful: take test at home #eltchat
12:42 pm ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C No, Marisa, students create competition themselves, beleive me !! #ELTchat
12:43 pm JoshSRound: @bcnpaul1 @ALiCe__M competition works if set up as a fun element; of course teens may take this too far, but good with adults #eltchat
12:43 pm englishraven: RT @galactadon: @sandymillin we do an absolute ton of online testing in my company (all of it actually) Can be less stressful: take test at home #eltchat
12:43 pm sandymillin: RT @efl101: too often test stops with marking - analysis and feedback = essential #ELTchat <definitely! But then r u teaching to the test?
12:43 pm Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 I was raised in a cram-for-the-test education culture & know how well u cn do on tests & still know nothing the next day #eltchat
12:43 pm barbsaka: @michelleworgan Fun idea, Michelle! #eltchat
12:43 pm bruno_cesar82: @jessmcculloch @erikaosvath Perhaps tests are the reason why so many students hate school. food for thought. #eltchat
12:43 pm rliberni: With testing we need to identify the reason, negotiate the follow-up and start early on so that they become 'everyday' #eltchat
12:43 pm agfigueiredo: RT @efl101: too often test stops with marking - analysis and feedback = essential > Indeed! #eltchat
12:43 pm stopspanglish: One issue teaching in Spain: anything < 100% is a disaster. Need to keep reminding them: It's language, it's inherently imperfect. #ELTchat
12:43 pm michelleworgan: After a test do u go over problematic areas in susbequent classes? I think this is really important #eltchat
12:43 pm JoshSRound: RT @efl101: too often test stops with marking - analysis and feedback = essential #ELTchat Often the feedback not effective or rushed
12:43 pm erikaosvath: RT @bruno_cesar82: @jessmcculloch @erikaosvath Perhaps tests R the reason y so many students h8 skool. food 4 thought.>agree #eltchat
12:43 pm sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 I was raised in a cram-for-the-test education culture & know how well u cn do on tests & still know nothing the next day #eltchat
12:43 pm efl101: RT @JoshSRound: @bcnpaul1 @ALiCe__M competition works if set up as a fun element; of course teens may take this too far, but good with adults #eltchat
12:43 pm mmgrinberg: #Eltchat Can we measure anything at all or are we only looking at tests from motivating / demotivating perspective?
12:43 pm ALiCe__M: @JoshSRound well, I would not be so affirmative. Some adults can be very competitive too #ELTchat
12:44 pm Marisa_C: @ALiCe__M Then mark the testers as well for fairness and designing good questions #ELTchat
12:44 pm bcnpaul1: @JoshSRound agree, competiton in class activites is gd, bt not when success on the course is always about being better than another #eltchat
12:44 pm barbsaka: RT @stopspanglish: One issue teaching in Spain: anything < 100% is a disaster. Need to remind them: It's language, it's imperfect. #ELTchat
12:44 pm SueannaN: RT @bcnpaul1: @JoshSRound agree, competiton in class activites is gd, bt not when success on the course is always about being better than another #eltchat
12:44 pm esolcourses: @erikaosvath accept yr point, but with good planning & grouping students appropriately, can work well (generally does 4 me, anyway) #ELTChat
12:44 pm englishraven: @Marisa_C I know a raven who got 87% on an official Yr 12 Eng Lit exam, with two (of 5) essays abt books he hadn't even read... #ELTChat
12:44 pm barbsaka: @stopspanglish Problem in Asia, too! #ELTchat
12:44 pm rliberni: I'm coming round to more of a coaching point of view I think it's more supportive of learning but I don't have to b accountable #eltchat
12:44 pm jessmcculloch: @bruno_cesar82 well, imagine how we would feel as staff if we were compared to each other with some of us rewarded?! eewww... #eltchat
12:44 pm ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C eheh ! and who would mark the testers' testers ? #ELTchat
12:44 pm efl101: @sandymillin teaching to test = tricky if test formal requirement then we have to don't we? #ELTchat
12:44 pm michelleworgan: We need to try and get stds to realise that a mark or test result isn't the be all and end all #eltchat
12:44 pm barbsaka: RT @mmgrinberg: #Eltchat Can we measure anything at all or are we only looking at tests from motivating / demotivating perspective?
12:45 pm kit2kat: @SueAnnan I was the applicant :) - impression is they focus on motivation for EFL & classroom presence... #CELTA #ELTChat
12:45 pm sandymillin: #eltchat If teaching at a school, does your school monitor tests / set them or is it up to teachers?
12:45 pm Marisa_C: @englishraven Pleased to meet you - now I know why we are friends - we have good test adrenali reaction #ELTChat
12:45 pm janetbianchini: Bit behind #ELTchat - pack of wild dogs just went past house - had to check on the chickens - Kelly barked the pack off the land - phew!!
12:45 pm sandymillin: RT @jessmcculloch: @bruno_cesar82 well, imagine how we would feel as staff if we were compared to each other with some of us rewarded?! eewww... #eltchat
12:45 pm barbsaka: @rliberni Yes, I feel the same, and lucky that I don't have to answer to admin :-) #eltchat
12:45 pm SueannaN: @kit2kat Trinity have discrete tests #CELTA #ELTChat
12:45 pm galactadon: if you don't want students to pay attention to the grade on a test, seems like they shouldn't be graded, or graded in another way #eltchat
12:45 pm efl101: @JoshSRound sad but true - lots of learning from mistakes potential missed #ELTchat
12:45 pm Marisa_C: @ALiCe__M You are testing my patience !!! :-D #ELTchat
12:46 pm erikaosvath: sry, got 2 go back 2 work. hre's 1 procedure of testing that has worked 4 me. sry abt the linkhttp://bit.ly/dQspvE #ELTChat
12:46 pm englishraven: Let's not forget that a lot of what we are discussing here is very wishful thinking to many teachers... Testing rules most roosts #ELTChat
12:46 pm JoshSRound: @bcnpaul1 yep, wdn't want to stress competition among peers when success on course or in test is pivotal in some way #eltchat
12:46 pm sandymillin: #eltchat At my school we have folder of tests made by teachers, but don't think any1 ever looks at them 2nd time - one use only! New each yr
12:46 pm ALiCe__M: @michelleworgan problem is when they've spent their lives thinking my mark=myself=my value in life #ELTchat
12:46 pm barbsaka: RT @englishraven: Let's not forget that a lot of what we are discussing here is wishful thinking to many Testing rules most roosts #ELTChat
12:46 pm janetbianchini: RT @SueAnnan @esolcourses have you seen book 'is that what you mean'? #ELTChat - I love it! I use it a lot! Love the cartoons!
12:46 pm Marisa_C: @sandymillin It would be good for a school to have a database of test items - surely possible now? #eltchat
12:46 pm edumazing: RT @bruno_cesar82: @jessmcculloch @erikaosvath Perhaps tests are the reason why so many students hate school. food for thought. #eltchat
12:46 pm chucksandy: RT @galactadon: if you don't want students to pay attention to the grade on a test, seems like they shouldn't be graded, or graded in another way #eltchat
12:46 pm rliberni: RT @englishraven: @Marisa_C I know a raven got 87% on an off Yr 12 Eng Lit ex, with 2/5 essays abt bks he hadn't read. #eltchat
12:46 pm erikaosvath: Bye everyone, gr8 chat. Sorry for having to leave! See ya next time :-) Special thanks to the moderators! #ELTChat
12:47 pm sandymillin: @efl101: Agreed - I teach Cambridge exams and have to analyse, but is it better to focus on lang or exam skills? #ELTchat
12:47 pm SueannaN: @janetbianchini It's great for students to test themselves too #ELTChat
12:47 pm bcnpaul1: @sandymillin teachers designed our assessment projects, which are evaluated by teachers each yr and adapted if necessary. #eltchat
12:47 pm rliberni: @englishraven in ur Yr 12 experience u rest our case! #eltchat
12:47 pm bruno_cesar82: #eltchat it's important that if sts are tested they get the appropriate feedback on it.whether +or-. some schools don't even care abt it
12:47 pm sandymillin: RT @galactadon: if you don't want students to pay attention to the grade on a test, seems like they shouldn't be graded, or graded in another way #eltchat
12:47 pm englishraven: @rliberni Yes, I do prove your and @Marisa_C 's point! :-) #ELTChat
12:47 pm sandymillin: RT @englishraven: Let's not forget that a lot of what we are discussing here is very wishful thinking to many teachers... Testing rules most roosts #ELTChat
12:47 pm michelleworgan: @englishraven Yes, some people are good uder pressure in test conditions, others aren't so therefore not reliable? #eltchat
12:48 pm jessmcculloch: @bruno_cesar82 also, tests themselves are not necessarily the problem- the value and emphasis placed on them is #eltchat
12:48 pm rliberni: @Tricia617 accountable to my stds but not to any external 'official' body #eltchat
12:48 pm Marisa_C: Well, we haven't mentioned the sychological factors in test conditions - some Ss just not able to focus - paralysed during tests #ELTchat
12:48 pm tmkhr: RT @bruno_cesar82: #eltchat it's important that if sts are tested they get the appropriate feedback on it.whether +or-. some schools don't even care abt it
12:48 pm efl101: @sandymillin hopefully lang = focus coz test = lang but... student expectations = role here #ELTchat
12:48 pm esolcourses: @janetbianchini @SueAnnan no, I haven't seen the book - will scope it out sometime - thanks :-) #ELTChat
12:48 pm ESLMadrid: I'm new here #eltchat
12:48 pm sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: @sandymillin good 2 hav a database of test items #eltchat<trying 2 start it, but we hav 2 comps / 30 teachers & sm resist
12:48 pm englishraven: @michelleworgan Well, I don't know about "good at tests"... good at poorly designed tests perhaps! :-) #ELTChat
12:48 pm luthcal: RT @barbsaka: @rliberni Yes, I feel the same, and lucky that I don't have to answer to admin :-) #eltchat
12:49 pm sandymillin: RT @michelleworgan: @englishraven Yes, some people are good uder pressure in test conditions, others aren't so therefore not reliable? #eltchat
12:49 pm englishraven: RT @Marisa_C: Well, we haven't mentioned the sychological factors in test conditions - some Ss just not able to focus - paralysed during tests #ELTchat
12:49 pm galactadon: Isn't part of the discomfort on tests that language is messy while tests are rigid? Do you feel this way about math tests? #eltchat
12:49 pm ALiCe__M: @barbsaka co-assessment I find very helpful, both for students and my teaching #ELTchat
12:49 pm luthcal: RT @michelleworgan: @englishraven Yes, some people are good uder pressure in test conditions, others aren't so therefore not reliable? #eltchat
12:49 pm efl101: @Marisa_C true can be real problem for some very good students - just freeze up in tests #ELTchat
12:49 pm esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C we haven't mentioned the sychological factors in test conditions - some Ss just not able to focus during tests #ELTchat
12:49 pm sandymillin: RT @ESLMadrid: I'm new here #eltchat Welcome! What do you think of SS testing? Should we do it? How?
12:49 pm Marisa_C: Have seen many good students (AND teachers being tested) who just lose it completely during tests #ELTchat
12:49 pm barbsaka: Test taking definitely a skill set--I notice a huge difference between 8 yo (haven't started testing in school) vs 12 yo (experts!) #ELTchat
12:50 pm englishraven: RT @Marisa_C: Have seen many good students (AND teachers being tested) who just lose it completely during tests #ELTchat
12:50 pm Mbarek: lots of my ss learn only for tests and grades not for life #eltchat
12:50 pm bcnpaul1: @ESLMadrid welcome to #eltchat - it's great :)
12:50 pm michelleworgan: @Marisa_C Yes, that was my point, Marisa! Then again, is being under pressure a skill for life? #eltchat
12:50 pm rliberni: I also feel that we intellectualise the teaching of language far too much hence the tests - if you can do it you can do it #eltchat
12:50 pm bruno_cesar82: #eltchat what to do when your institution does not allow student failure?
12:50 pm sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: Have seen many good students (AND teachers being tested) who just lose it completely during tests #ELTchat
12:50 pm esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: Have seen many good students (AND teachers being tested) who just lose it completely during tests #ELTchat ] Same here
12:50 pm sandymillin: RT @barbsaka: Test taking definitely a skill set--I notice a huge difference between 8 yo (haven't started testing in school) vs 12 yo (experts!) #ELTchat
12:50 pm chucksandy: @ESLMadrid: welcome! #eltchat consists of some of the friendliest people around. Enjoy! #eltchat
12:50 pm englishraven: @Marisa_C Right, which is why I think triangulation becomes so important for assessment. #ELTChat
12:50 pm sandymillin: RT @Mbarek: lots of my ss learn only for tests and grades not for life #eltchat
12:50 pm Marisa_C: @michelleworgan are we supposed to also cover this? :-D #eltchat
12:50 pm SueannaN: RT @chucksandy: @ESLMadrid: welcome! #eltchat consists of some of the friendliest people around. Enjoy! #eltchat
12:50 pm barbsaka: @bruno_cesar82 I used to separate assessment (for me) and testing (for school--everyone passed!) #eltchat
12:50 pm JoshSRound: RT @michelleworgan: @Marisa_C Yes, that was my point, Marisa! Then again, is being under pressure a skill for life? #eltchat Yep agree
12:50 pm stopspanglish: @Marisa_C : Sports psych: "A test is not punishment, it's not humiliation. It's a challenge: challenges bring out the best in me." #ELTChat
12:50 pm bcnpaul1: RT @rliberni: I also feel that we intellectualise the teaching of language far too much hence the tests - if you can do it you can do it #eltchat
12:50 pm sandymillin: RT @michelleworgan: @Marisa_C Yes, that was my point, Marisa! Then again, is being under pressure a skill for life? #eltchat
12:50 pm SueannaN: RT @Mbarek: lots of my ss learn only for tests and grades not for life #eltchat
12:50 pm janetbianchini: @SueAnnan Yes, I agree. Students testing each other orally is something I do quite often - it seems to work + they enjoy it #ELTchat
12:50 pm ALiCe__M: @barbsaka YES ! skill test is the fifth skill ! #ELTchat
12:51 pm englishraven: RT @chucksandy: @ESLMadrid: welcome! #eltchat consists of some of the friendliest people around. Enjoy! #eltchat > Totally agree! Welcome!
12:51 pm chucksandy: RT @rliberni: I also feel that we intellectualise the teaching of language far too much hence the tests - if you can do it you can do it #eltchat
12:51 pm englishraven: RT @janetbianchini: @SueAnnan Yes, I agree. Students testing each other orally is something I do quite often - it seems to work + they enjoy it #ELTchat
12:51 pm sandymillin: RT @bruno_cesar82: #eltchat what to do when your institution does not allow student failure? < cry! Depends on if SS still move up or not.
12:51 pm englishraven: RT @stopspanglish: @Marisa_C : Sports psych: "A test is not punishment, it's not humiliation. It's a challenge: challenges bring out the best in me." #ELTChat
12:51 pm michelleworgan: @Marisa_C Haha no but is taking away tests making everything too far into the comfort zone? #eltchat
12:51 pm englishraven: RT @ALiCe__M: @barbsaka YES ! skill test is the fifth skill ! #ELTchat
12:51 pm bruno_cesar82: #eltchat I used to freak out on tests day. But not w some tchrs who would make me feel comfortable in testing me.there was no gotcha factor
12:51 pm sandymillin: RT @stopspanglish: @Marisa_C : Sports psych: "A test is not punishment, it's not humiliation. It's a challenge: challenges bring out the best in me." #ELTChat
12:51 pm Mbarek: RT @stopspanglish: @Marisa_C : Sports psych: "A test is not punishment, it's not humiliation. It's a challenge: challenges bring out the best in me." #ELTChat
12:51 pm barbsaka: @michelleworgan A fine line to walk #eltchat
12:51 pm efl101: @Marisa_C question is how to help exam shy sts? #ELTchat
12:52 pm esolcourses: @JoshSRound @Marisa_C to perform under pressure requires confidence... bit of a catch-22 for s's who have yet to pass an exam #ELTChat
12:52 pm Marisa_C: @michelleworgan Well no but we do have to take that into account when setting up a test to take away the fear #eltchat
12:52 pm sandymillin: RT @efl101: @Marisa_C question is how to help exam shy sts? #ELTchat
12:52 pm bcnpaul1: RT @Marisa_C: Have seen many good students (AND teachers being tested) who just lose it completely during tests #ELTchat
12:52 pm edumazing: Tests+no technology+teacher directed learning+authority+lack of understanding+no connection+no choices=I hate school #eltchat
12:52 pm rliberni: Afraid I have to duck out - sorry- enjoy the rest of the chat! Thanks to gr8 moderators @englishraven@barbsaka & @marisa_c #eltchat
12:52 pm luthcal: #ELTChat Collaboration is essential also for assessment. Ss produce together and have opportunity to learn again.
12:52 pm englishraven: Mmm, how many teachers test versus how many teachers test and support with strategies? #ELTChat
12:52 pm ALiCe__M: @michelleworgan for some teachers the comfort zone is in testing like breathing #ELTchat
12:52 pm janetbianchini: RT @stopspanglish: @Marisa_C : Sports psych: "A test is not punishment, it's not humiliation. It's a challenge: challenges bring out the best in me." #ELTChat
12:53 pm sandymillin: RT @edumazing: Tests+no technology+teacher directed learning+authority+lack of understanding+no connection+no choices=I hate school #eltchat
12:53 pm englishraven: RT @edumazing: Tests+no technology+teacher directed learning+authority+lack of understanding+no connection+no choices=I hate school #eltchat
12:53 pm barbsaka: RT @edumazing: Tests+no technology+teacher directed learning+authority+lack of understanding+no connection+no choices=I hate school #eltchat
12:53 pm MASHinEFL: RT @stopspanglish: Sports psych: "A test is not punishment, not humiliation. It's a challenge: and brings out the best in me." #ELTChat YES
12:53 pm Mbarek: @englishraven I agree with u ,especially in project work #ELTChat
12:53 pm chucksandy: RT @luthcal: #ELTChat Collaboration is essential also for assessment. Ss produce together and have opportunity to learn again.
12:53 pm JoshSRound: @esolcourses @Marisa_C agree, bt tests can go from low importance to higher in stages 2 build confidence & ability to deal w press #eltchat
12:53 pm englishraven: RT @barbsaka: Test taking definitely a skill set--I notice a huge difference between 8 yo (haven't started testing in school) vs 12 yo (experts!) #ELTchat
12:54 pm kit2kat: @SueAnnan that's interesting, I'd be interested to know how much #CELTAcourses differ... #ELTChat
12:54 pm MartinWarters: RT @ALiCe__M: @barbsaka YES ! skill test is the fifth skill ! #ELTchat
12:54 pm ESLMadrid: #eltchat thank you all, I feel very welcomed :P I am trying to catch up with the conversation.
12:54 pm luthcal: #ELTChat We should not consider that school description anymore. Although it has been for long time.
12:54 pm mmgrinberg: #Eltchat It's hard to avoid using tests as a disciplinary measure
12:54 pm sandymillin: #eltchat Any suggestions on relaxation techniques for stressed SS during compulsory testing? e.g. school-leaving exams
12:54 pm esolcourses: RT @englishraven: Mmm, how many teachers test versus how many teachers test & support with strategies? #ELTChat ] I do test+ strategies
12:54 pm SueannaN: @ESLMadrid there will be a transcript later that you can read #eltchat
12:54 pm Marisa_C: @rliberni thanks BErni!!!! Have a great day #eltchat
12:54 pm ALiCe__M: @englishraven stop testing us !! #ELTchat
12:55 pm sandymillin: RT @esolcourses: RT @englishraven: #ELTChat ] I do test+ strategies - me2
12:55 pm englishraven: RT @mmgrinberg: #Eltchat It's hard to avoid using tests as a disciplinary measure > Wow, now that (to me) is testing gone real bad...
12:55 pm Marisa_C: RT @barbsaka: @sandymillin In Texas tchrs used to teach relaxation techniques and do cheers in class :) #eltchat
12:55 pm SueannaN: RT @englishraven: RT @mmgrinberg: #Eltchat It's hard to avoid using tests as a disciplinary measure > Wow, now that (to me) is testing gone real bad...
12:55 pm luthcal: #ELTChat Test+strategies for sure
12:55 pm galactadon: what about tests as a reward? Like in the role playing games, you only advance to the next challenge through completing tasks. #eltchat
12:55 pm bcnpaul1: @englishraven @esolcourses that's it - support during assessment is a big factor and shd be encouragd #eltchat
12:55 pm sandymillin: RT @galactadon: what about tests as a reward? Like in the role playing games, you only advance to the next challenge through completing tasks. #eltchat
12:55 pm englishraven: @ALiCe__M LOL! Could actually be an interesting point there... #ELTChat
12:56 pm StevenHerder: At HS EFL in Japan, we do 50% effort/prep and 50% delivery for a variety of posters, speeches, skits - works well. #ELTchat
12:56 pm esolcourses: @JoshSRound @Marisa_C think that kind of thing can work with YL's, but can be more difficult to apply with adults #ELTChat
12:56 pm Marisa_C: I shall start practising affirmations then before every test - think it will work with a DELTA final ? :-D #ELTchat
12:56 pm barbsaka: RT @galactadon: what about tests as a reward? Like in the role playing games, advance to next challenge through completing tasks. #eltchat
12:56 pm englishraven: RT @StevenHerder: At HS EFL in Japan, we do 50% effort/prep and 50% delivery for a variety of posters, speeches, skits - works well. #ELTchat
12:56 pm SueannaN: @Marisa_C LOL #ELTchat
12:56 pm bcnpaul1: @ESLMadrid the transcript is always available afterwards www.eltchat.com #eltchat
12:56 pm efl101: @sandymillin alcohol? #ELTchat
12:56 pm englishraven: @StevenHerder Sounds like a model of good/effective practice to me... #ELTChat
12:56 pm barbsaka: @Marisa_C Let us know how that goes. "I am a competent and creative teacher" :) #ELTchat
12:56 pm englishraven: RT @barbsaka: RT @galactadon: what about tests as a reward? Like in the role playing games, advance to next challenge through completing tasks. #eltchat
12:56 pm bruno_cesar82: @sandymillin @barbsaka I hate the financial factor linked w tests: if sts fail they'll drop out and adms will lose money. #eltchat what2do?
12:56 pm mmgrinberg: @sandymillin #Eltchat Ask them to feel MORE stressed during preparation. This will help them to regain control at test time
12:56 pm Marisa_C: @efl101 that's my suggestons for before TPs #ELTchat
12:56 pm JoshSRound: RT @efl101: @sandymillin alcohol? #ELTchat perfect for speaking tests!!
12:56 pm esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: RT @barbsaka: @sandymillin In Texas tchrs used to teach relaxation techniques and do cheers in class :) #eltchat
12:56 pm sandymillin: RT @efl101: @sandymillin alcohol? #ELTchat < recommended to 14 y.o's at school? (pre-GCSE level!) :)
12:57 pm Marisa_C: @esolcourses Te he he #eltchat
12:57 pm bcnpaul1: @galactadon what a great idea - do you have any role-play games for edu that do that?! could be a project #eltchat
12:57 pm englishraven: RT @sandymillin: RT @efl101: @sandymillin alcohol? #ELTchat < recommended to 14 y.o's at school? (pre-GCSE level!) :) >S'thing in that!
12:57 pm janetbianchini: RT @sandymillin RT @esolcourses: RT @englishraven #ELTChat dI do test+strategies- me2 +me2! Strategies are a vital part to build confidence
12:57 pm bruno_cesar82: RT @edumazing: Tests+no technology+teacher directed learning+authority+lack of understanding+no connection+no choices=I hate school #eltchat
12:57 pm luthcal: #ELTChat In Brazil it's 50/50, too.
12:57 pm stopspanglish: Stella Cottrell's study skills book (Palgrave): EXCELLENT resource to help students study smarter, not just study more. #ELTchat
12:58 pm barbsaka: Thanks for the creative ideas--I think I'll have my older students create a test instead of taking one. Learn as much but more fun! #ELTchat
12:58 pm sandymillin: RT @stopspanglish: Stella Cottrell's study skills book (Palgrave): EXCELLENT resource to help students study smarter, not just study more. #ELTchat
12:58 pm efl101: @JoshSRound @Marisa_C @sandymillin works for me ... hic... #ELTchat
12:58 pm StevenHerder: RT @stopspanglish: Stella Cottrell's study skills book (Palgrave): EXCELLENT resource to help students study smarter... #ELTchat
12:58 pm galactadon: not the topic today, but there aren't enough immersive English learning games out there. God knows there's a market for them. #eltchat
12:58 pm chucksandy: 1 thing i love about #eltchat is great new connections :-) thanks @michelleworgan@eslmadrid@ALiCe__M
12:58 pm mmgrinberg: @sandymillin #Eltchat This is what is called anxiety-growing techniques. Present it as a joke. It works!
12:59 pm barbsaka: RT @chucksandy: 1 thing i love about #eltchat is great new connections :-) thanks @michelleworgan@eslmadrid@ALiCe__M
12:59 pm englishraven: Roleplay... game.... tests... leveling up as reward in the game... Somebody's been spying on my current project! #ELTChat
12:59 pm chucksandy: RT @StevenHerder: RT @stopspanglish: Stella Cottrell's study skills book (Palgrave): EXCELLENT resource to help students study smarter... #ELTchat
12:59 pm luthcal: Ss preparing their own tests? Great! I'll give it a try. #eltchat
12:59 pm Marisa_C: RT @chucksandy: 1 thing i love about #eltchat is great new connections :-) thanks @michelleworgan@eslmadrid @ALiCe__M > me too :-)
12:59 pm ALiCe__M: @barbsaka what about create an activity, such as psychological tests : very fun to do #ELTchat
12:59 pm SueannaN: RT @englishraven: Roleplay... game.... tests... leveling up as reward in the game... Somebody's been spying on my current project! #ELTChat
12:59 pm englishraven: RT @luthcal: Ss preparing their own tests? Great! I'll give it a try. #eltchat > Prepare to be surprised!
12:59 pm bcnpaul1: ok - have to go. thanks @rliberni @marisa_c @englishraven @barbsaka for lovely moderating & thx all for another motivating #eltchat lovely!
12:59 pm michelleworgan: @chucksandy Yes, I've just added lots of new peeps to follow :) #eltchat
12:59 pm barbsaka: @ALiCe__M That's a good idea, too! #ELTchat
12:59 pm janetbianchini: @barbsaka I highly recommend it - they will be delighted to be given the control and responsibility of creating their very own test #ELTChat
12:59 pm sandymillin: RT @janetbianchini: @barbsaka I highly recommend it - they will be delighted to be given the control and responsibility of creating their very own test #ELTChat
1:00 pm barbsaka: Me too! RT @michelleworgan: @chucksandy Yes, I've just added lots of new peeps to follow :) #eltchat
1:00 pm englishraven: @bcnpaul1 Good to have you here again. Have a good one! #ELTChat
1:00 pm chucksandy: @ stopspanglish "Stella Cottrell's study skills book (Palgrave)" do you have link for that? sounds interesting #eltchat
1:00 pm Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 thanks for joining Paul, see you later :-) #eltchat
1:00 pm efl101: great #ELTchat thanks to all
1:00 pm luthcal: Thank you all. Learned a hundred new concepts, ideas techies. #eltchat
1:00 pm englishraven: @stopspanglish Nah... Just share it about, I reckon! :-) #ELTChat
1:00 pm mmgrinberg: Thanks for a wonderful #Eltchat. It was my first one. So, sorry for being inappropriate / slow to respond / etc.
1:00 pm agfigueiredo: RT @luthcal: Ss preparing their own tests? Great! Ill give it a try.>Me 2 #eltchat
1:00 pm barbsaka: Thanks everyone! I had a great time :-) #eltchat
1:00 pm ALiCe__M: @barbsaka then you end up with lots of psychological tests made by students #ELTchat
1:00 pm bruno_cesar82: #eltchat creative work is incredibly difficult,and there's where the tests lie. How to test creativity?
1:00 pm sandymillin: @chucksandy #eltchat Stella Cottrell's book: amazon link http://amzn.to/gGQxwd
1:00 pm michelleworgan: This #eltchat hour goes so quickly! Thanks everyone, has been a great conversation!
1:00 pm stopspanglish: The Test Whisperer: students pick up on our energies regarding testing and decide whether to be positive or defensive? #ELTchat
1:01 pm galactadon: thanks folks. Fun first eltchat for me. #eltchat
1:01 pm JoshSRound: Thanks again #eltchat -ters and moderators, another thought-provoking session
1:01 pm barbsaka: RT @stopspanglish: The Test Whisperer: students pick up on our energies re testing and decide whether to be positive or defensive? #ELTchat
1:01 pm englishraven: Time flies when you're having fun... and when @barbsaka is a chat's guest moderator. Thanks Barb!!! #ELTChat
1:01 pm Marisa_C: Well thank you everyone for participating in a great chat! Special thanks to my co moderators for today @englishraven & @riberni #ELTchat
1:01 pm barbsaka: @englishraven I had a blast! #ELTChat
1:01 pm sandymillin: RT @JoshSRound: Thanks again #eltchat -ters and moderators, another thought-provoking session
1:01 pm janetbianchini: Thanks @rliberni @marisa_c @englishraven @barbsaka for fantastic moderating - really enjoyed it as usual - very motivational #eltchat
1:01 pm lydbury: Sorry to have missed it. Nuisance this teaching! @Marisa_C #ELTchat
1:01 pm mmgrinberg: RT @Marisa_C: Well thank you everyone for participating in a great chat! Special thanks to my co moderators for today @englishraven & @riberni#ELTchat
1:02 pm chucksandy: @ sandymillin #eltchat Stella Cottrell's book: amazon link http://amzn.to/gGQxwd thanks so much!
1:02 pm esolcourses: Thanks for another great #ELTChat, everyone, with special thanks to today's moderators @englishraven@Marisa_C @barbsaka
1:02 pm barbsaka: @Marisa_C Blush :-) #eltchat
1:02 pm luthcal: Applause!!! #eltchat
1:02 pm sandymillin: RT @lydbury: Sorry to have missed it. Nuisance this teaching! #ELTchat <gets in the way of talking about it :)
1:02 pm chucksandy: @stopspanglish: "the test whisperer" I love it! #eltchat
1:02 pm SueannaN: Well done everyone, again #ELTchat
1:02 pm SugarJo: Thank you #ELTchat you certainly tested my rusty twitter fingers
1:03 pm englishraven: Remember all newbies to #ELTChat ... it's a whirl, it's fast and fragmented. But our chats are about sparks. See if you can start some fires
1:03 pm mmgrinberg: @englishraven #Eltchat You haven't been to a Russian secondary school ((
1:03 pm sandymillin: RT @englishraven: Remember all newbies to #ELTChat ... it's a whirl, it's fast and fragmented. But our chats are about sparks. See if you can start some fires
1:03 pm bruno_cesar82: #eltchat Thank you all for the great convo! Really thought provoking.
1:03 pm mmgrinberg: @erikaosvath #Eltchat Totally agree with you, Erika!
1:03 pm luthcal: Thank you!! D englishraven #eltchat
1:04 pm janetbianchini: Got to get back to my chickens now - I think one is missing! Thanks for the great chat everyone!! #ELTChat See you all next week..
1:04 pm englishraven: Thanks to my fabulous co-mods @rliberni @Marisa_C @barbsaka Another interesting session! #ELTChat
1:04 pm agfigueiredo: @Marisa_C @englishraven @riberni Great chat everybody...I'm a bit slow as a newbie but just loved it =) #eltchat
1:04 pm barbsaka: And, there WILL be a transcript, later on http://eltchat.com/ right? Easier to dig out links! #eltchat
1:04 pm Marisa_C: Thank you to all who joined in - what a great buzz that was!!! The transcript will be up soon #ELTchat
1:04 pm daylemajor: @englishraven tests show who are good at taking tests. Ever had students who ace language tests yet struggle to communicate? #ELTChat
1:05 pm Marisa_C: If there are any takers to write up the sumary of this chat I would love you to bits #ELTchat
1:05 pm englishraven: RT @Marisa_C: If there are any takers to write up the sumary of this chat I would love you to bits #ELTchat
1:05 pm interactivecup: That was a great session #ELTchat ! I always enjoy learning from your tweets!
1:05 pm sandymillin: RT @barbsaka: And, there WILL be a transcript, later on http://eltchat.com/right? Easier to dig out links! #eltchat
1:05 pm edumazing: The word 'testing' is a problem in itself. Negative emotions even before students begin answering questions which affects results #eltchat
1:06 pm englishraven: @daylemajor Absolutely... but unfortunately we've just wound up the chat! Hope to see you an hour earlier next week, Dayle! #ELTChat
1:06 pm sandymillin: @Marisa_C #eltchat I'll do it if no-one else can. Might take a bit longer this time as back at work!
1:06 pm sarah_SKB: My students asked on first day - please test us every week. But I make sure we also have ongoing projects to test other skills #ELTChat
1:06 pm englishraven: @adhockley Glad you liked it :-) #ELTChat
1:06 pm Marisa_C: no one wants to be loved by us @englishraven #ELTChat
1:06 pm SueannaN: @Marisa_C I can do it if you send me the transcript #ELTChat
1:07 pm englishraven: @sandymillin Fantastic! @Marisa_C > Sandy's just offered! #ELTChat
1:07 pm sandymillin: RT @englishraven: @sandymillin Fantastic! @Marisa_C > Sandy's just offered! #ELTChat > or @SueAnnan if she wants (I had a turn) :)
1:07 pm analomba: Language watch - See topics of Mrs. Obama's visit to Howard University later today. http://bit.ly/h1833F#eltchat #actfl #flteach #langchat
1:08 pm Marisa_C: @SueAnnan Oh thanks Sue! will let you know when transcript is up on the blog :-D #ELTChat
1:08 pm SueannaN: @Marisa_C OK fine #ELTChat
1:08 pm englishraven: @SueAnnan Great, thanks for that. @sandymillin May we call on you again soon? :-) #ELTChat
1:08 pm ESLMadrid: Will read the transcript #eltchat since I'm a newbie I'll keep in touch and thank you all.
1:08 pm fionamau: RT @Marisa_C: no one wants to be loved by us @englishraven #ELTChat >> NOT true!!
1:08 pm SueannaN: @ESLMadrid great to meet you #eltchat
1:08 pm edumazing: I actually gave my students a fake standardised test so they could understand their attitudes, feelings, beliefs. Best prep #eltchat
1:08 pm Marisa_C: @sandymillin oops missed your offer ! you and @SueAnnan want to decide amongst yourselves? I'm ok with either one of you :-) #ELTchat
1:09 pm Mbarek: Thanks for interesting #eltchat on testing . Following new elchatter i meet for the first time :-)
1:11 pm Marisa_C: @Mbarek Glad to have you join us! Following at first is a good idea - get involved soon tho! #eltchat
1:11 pm sandymillin: RT @englishraven: Sue Great, thanks for that. @sandymillin May we call on you again soon? :-) #ELTChat <indeed :) @SueAnnan can do ths 1 :)
1:11 pm Marisa_C: @SueAnnan you ok doing it? #ELTChat
1:12 pm Mbarek: @Marisa_C Thanks Marisa ; I 'll do my best to get involved regularly #eltchat
1:14 pm englishraven: Let me just say how wonderful it was to see more teachers from Asia in our #ELTChat tonight! We're getting more global :-)
1:15 pm Marisa_C: @Mbarek A pleaseure Mbarek and do please spread the word to #baw2011#eltchat
1:17 pm ESLMadrid: Likewise, read you soon :P RT @SueAnnan: @ESLMadrid great to meet you #eltchat
1:21 pm EdK12: RT @SamGliksman: How effective are standardized tests? A. Too limited in scope B. Often inaccurate C. Skew teaching towards results D. All of above #eltchat
1:26 pm SueannaN: @Marisa_C NO probs #ELTChat
1:27 pm SueannaN: @sandymillin Thanks, I think ;-) #ELTChat
1:27 pm Marisa_C: @Chaoukiboss You can't choose the topic; every week we invite you to post a topic on www.eltchat.com then we vote #eltchat
1:31 pm SueannaN: @Chaoukiboss Yes look forward to it #eltchat
1:31 pm SueannaN: @ESLMadrid :-) #eltchat
1:40 pm NitroxDiver26: This is my first time on here. Barbara invited me--thanks! #eltchat
1:44 pm StarrMatica: RT @ShellTerrell: Type in words & computer sings them http://tiny.cc/zkrye#eltchat #esl #yltsig#elemchat via @HeyLeeAnn @marynabadenhors
1:44 pm edgycation: <--- against testing. Projects to get them to use the skills>testing #ELTchat
1:44 pm edgyfd: <--- against testing. Projects to get them to use the skills>testing #ELTchat
1:46 pm edgycation: <---- Against testing. Project work to show the skills in use>testing. #ELTchat
1:46 pm SueannaN: @NitroxDiver26 Hi the chat has finished for this session. The next one is at 21.00GMT tonight #eltchat
1:55 pm stopspanglish: RT @bcnpaul1: I told a student he needed to work harder & he said 'i'll do better in the next test"... "what about in between" I said #eltchat
1:58 pm Marisa_C: Read songs chat summary contributed by @fionamau http://bit.ly/eEXW5N#ELTChat You are all in there!
2:07 pm lolonagi: is it now the #ELTchat?
2:14 pm atxteacher: RT @cybraryman1: Need to think about differentiated assessment. My Assessment page:http://bit.ly/aO1xZE #eltchat
2:16 pm vickysaumell: RT @Marisa_C: Read songs chat summary contributed by @fionamauhttp://bit.ly/eEXW5N #ELTChatYou are all in there!
2:21 pm tucksoon: RT @cybraryman1: Need to think about differentiated assessment. My Assessment page:http://bit.ly/aO1xZE #eltchat
2:23 pm erikaosvath: Interesting post from @kalinagoenglish 'Compliments, Praise and Insincerity' http://bit.ly/fRPlYy#eltchat #beltfree #huedchat #education
2:26 pm csabiberger: RT @erikaosvath: sry, got 2 go back 2 work. hre's 1 procedure of testing that has worked 4 me. sry abt the link http://bit.ly/dQspvE #ELTChat
2:29 pm andrefn18: RT @luthcal: Ss preparing their own tests? Great! I'll give it a try. #eltchat
2:35 pm linguaprof: has anyone got experience with l

Transcript for January 19, 2011 12:00 p.m. GMT

11:55 am ShellTerrell: RT @englishraven: 5 mins to #ELTChat folks... 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us!
11:55 am Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: 5 mins to #ELTChat folks... 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us!
11:56 am rliberni: RT @englishraven: 5 mins to #ELTChat folks... 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us!
11:56 am DinaDobrou: Off to work! Will catch 2nd #ELTchat later tonight, hopefully with a couple of visitors...let's see...bye all.
11:56 am janetbianchini: RT @DinaDobrou This looked clear and succinct: http://bit.ly/h37j44 Hope it helps. #ELTchat - Very interesting, thanks!
11:56 am mmgrinberg: RT @Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: 5 mins to #ELTChat folks... 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us!
11:57 am esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: 5 mins to #ELTChat folks... 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us!
11:57 am JoeMcVeigh: Sorry, must clear snow from driveway and take son to school. Have a great #ELTchat, everyone.
11:58 am cerirhiannon: RT @JoeMcVeigh: Sorry, must clear snow from driveway and take son to school. Have a great #ELTchat, everyone.
11:58 am sandymillin: RT @englishraven: 5 mins to #ELTChat folks... 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us!
11:58 am erikaosvath: @janetbianchini Thank, Janet. Will give it a read after the chat :-) #ELTChat
11:59 am Marisa_C: May we aske fellow teachers NOT to tweet about other links, their wonderful blogposts etc. DURING #ELTchat. It confuses ppl who follow it
11:59 am janetbianchini: RT @bcnpaul1 my post a little while ago on testing.. links in it to two gr8 posts by @michelleworganhttp://bit.ly/gukogs #eltchat
12:00 pm sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: May we aske fellow teachers NOT to tweet about other links, their wonderful blogposts etc. DURING #ELTchat. It confuses ppl who follow it
12:00 pm barbsaka: RT @Marisa_C: May we aske fellow teachers NOT to tweet other links, wonderful blogposts etc. DURING #ELTchat. It confuses ppl who follow it
12:00 pm JoeMcVeigh: On way out door, highly recommend A Practical Guide to Assessing ELLs by Coombe, Folse, Hubley. - U Michigan P. Very practical #ELTchat.
12:00 pm cerirhiannon: school run calling me away too #eltchat have a great convo - will be following on the transcript
12:00 pm michelleworgan: Hello everybody on #ELTchat, just finished cleaning bathroom in time!
12:00 pm barbsaka: It's 9 pm in Japan...Here we go! For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTChat: Testing--Should we? How?
12:00 pm bcnpaul1: @Marisa_C oops #eltchat
12:01 pm janetbianchini: Hi all! It's a nice sunny afternoon here in Abruzzo. Looking forward to #ELTChat now
12:01 pm Maha9313: RT @sandymillin: RT @englishraven: 5 mins to #ELTChat folks... 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us!
12:01 pm Marisa_C: @barbsaka Hello Barbara and welcome to #ELTchat! It's great to have you moderate with us today!
12:01 pm erikaosvath: I believe in self-assessment rather than testing or as a part of testing. #ELTChat
12:01 pm JoshSRound: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTChat Hi everyone!
12:01 pm sandymillin: RT @JoshSRound: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTChatHi everyone!
12:01 pm bcnpaul1: RT @barbsaka: It's 9 pm in Japan...Here we go! For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTChat: Testing--Should we? How?
12:01 pm hideotakamini: RT @ShellTerrell: Incredible opportunity to attend gr8test Edu conf in Istanbul w expenses paidhttp://bit.ly/dJ6ldL #eltchat #istek #esl
12:01 pm barbsaka: @erikaosvath How do you have students self-asses? #ELTChat
12:01 pm englishraven: Okay, it's #ELTChat time. I'm co-moderating tonight with @Marisa_C@rliberni and special guest @barbsaka
12:01 pm Marisa_C: May I ask you to remember the #ELTchat hashtag
12:02 pm Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: Okay, it's #ELTChat time. I'm co-moderating tonight with @Marisa_C @rliberni and special guest @barbsaka
12:02 pm barbsaka: How else do you asses your students? #ELTChat
12:02 pm sandymillin: #eltchat We're in middle of mid-year testing season - obligatory for company figures + to be sent to head office. Not always good idea?
12:02 pm esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C May we ask fellow teachers NOT to use #ELTChat hashtag to tweet abt other links DURING #ELTchat. It confuses ppl who follow it
12:02 pm JoshSRound: Self-assessment an important learner tool - how do you promote it? #eltchat
12:02 pm esolcourses: RT @englishraven: Okay, it's #ELTChat time. I'm co-moderating tonight with @Marisa_C @rliberni and special guest @barbsaka
12:02 pm barbsaka: @sandymillin What ages are you teaching? #eltchat
12:02 pm rliberni: RT @esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C May we ask fellow teachers NOT to use #ELTChat hashtag to tweet abt other links DURING #ELTchat. It confuses ppl who follow it
12:02 pm Marisa_C: We're talking testing today on #ELTchat pls join us for a great discussion and share your ideas
12:02 pm bcnpaul1: @JoshSRound hey Josh #eltchat
12:03 pm englishraven: @erikaosvath Self-assessment... manageable across lg # of Ss? Contexts where testing considered crucial? #ELTChat
12:03 pm englishraven: RT @Marisa_C: We're talking testing today on #ELTchat pls join us for a great discussion and share your ideas
12:03 pm hideotakamini: RT @chucksandy: charming, powerful short video: the real voices of Japanese students via Tim Murphy's classroom. http://bit.ly/icj6Zb #JALT #edchat#eltchat
12:03 pm sandymillin: @barbsaka #eltchat Teach everything: YL (they have portfolios), teens, adults, business, exam, 121...you name it!
12:03 pm esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: We're talking testing today on #ELTchat pls join us for a great discussion and share your ideas
12:03 pm JoshSRound: Here in continuous enrolment setting, testing raises some problems (students may be here for just one week for eg) #eltchat
12:03 pm barbsaka: @JoshSRound More than promote...how do you get students to be effective self-assessers? #eltchat
12:03 pm englishraven: RT @sandymillin: #eltchat We're in middle of mid-year testing season - obligatory for company figures + to be sent to head office. Not always good idea?
12:03 pm michelleworgan: RT @barbsaka: @JoshSRound More than promote...how do you get students to be effective self-assessers? #eltchat
12:03 pm chucksandy: RT @barbsaka: @erikaosvath How do you have students self-asses? #ELTChat
12:03 pm sandymillin: RT @JoshSRound: Here in continuous enrolment setting, testing raises some problems (students may be here for just one week for eg) #eltchat
12:03 pm MartinWarters: @barbsaka #ELTChat I suppose the real assessment will come with a real world application of the learned skill:)
12:03 pm chucksandy: RT @erikaosvath: I believe in self-assessment rather than testing or as a part of testing. #ELTChat
12:03 pm bcnpaul1: we're also in the midst of mid yr assessment but it's kind of ok & sts enjoy it - type of assessment important i think #eltchat
12:03 pm englishraven: @sandymillin What you describe is the reality for most teachers in most contexts... :-) #ELTChat
12:04 pm hideotakamini: RT @ShellTerrell: Join us for 12noon GMT #ELTchat in 10 minutes "Should we test students? If so, how? If not, what shud we do insted?"
12:04 pm barbsaka: @sandymillin And how does your head office use the test results? #eltchat
12:04 pm erikaosvath: @barbsaka After correcting their tests, THEY try 2 find the answers 2 errors through their books, online resources, etc. #ELTChat
12:04 pm sandymillin: #eltchat Head office uses results to find out if our teaching meets standards (not sure exactly how) and if everything OK at school
12:04 pm englishraven: @bcnpaul1 So your students enjoy assessment? Any characteristics/types you care to pass on? #ELTChat
12:04 pm sandymillin: RT @erikaosvath: @barbsaka After correcting their tests, THEY try 2 find the answers 2 errors through their books, online resources, etc. #ELTChat
12:04 pm michelleworgan: RT @englishraven: @bcnpaul1 So your students enjoy assessment? Any characteristics/types you care to pass on? #ELTChat
12:04 pm bcnpaul1: effective self-assement is difficult but essential to work on all the time #eltchat
12:05 pm fionamau: RT @fionamau: @bcnpaul1 What type do you do? Assessment comes in all colours. #eltchat
12:05 pm rliberni: RT @esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: We're talking testing today on #ELTchatpls join us for a great discussion and share your ideas #eltchat
12:05 pm BethCagnol: Has anyone read Lindsay Clanfield's Six Things post on testing? Very good stuff. #ELTCHAT
12:05 pm JoshSRound: @barbsaka sth still trying to understand in our context, at the mo still promoting via reflection in class #eltchat Do you use portfolios?
12:05 pm rliberni: RT @barbsaka: @JoshSRound More than promote...how do you get students to be effective self-assessers? #eltchat
12:05 pm englishraven: RT @bcnpaul1: effective self-assement is difficult but essential to work on all the time #eltchat > Agreed!
12:05 pm sandymillin: #eltchat Was part of 'most-tested' generation at UK schools. Worked 4 me as liked tests, but not for many friends = stress, low self-confid.
12:05 pm sevans59: #ELTchat testing, not to be confused with teaching.
12:05 pm englishraven: RT @bethcagnol: Has anyone read Lindsay Clanfield's Six Things post on testing? Very good stuff. #ELTCHAT > Highly recommended.
12:05 pm Marisa_C: RT @bethcagnol: Has anyone read Lindsay Clanfield's Six Things post on testing? Very good stuff. #ELTCHAT - link pls?
12:05 pm rliberni: RT @bcnpaul1: effective self-assement is difficult but essential to work on all the time #eltchat
12:05 pm barbsaka: So I hear self-assessment and standardized tests....any other types of assessment in your classes or schools? #ELTchat
12:06 pm englishraven: RT @barbsaka: So I hear self-assessment and standardized tests....any other types of assessment in your classes or schools? #ELTchat
12:06 pm esolcourses: RT @sandymillin: #eltchat Was part of 'most-tested' generation at UK schools. Worked 4 me as liked tests, but not for many friends = stress, low self-confid.
12:06 pm mmgrinberg: #Eltchat Frankly speaking, the Head Office hardly ever have a look at the test results ((
12:06 pm linguaprof: RT @Marisa_C: We're talking testing today on #ELTchat pls join us for a great discussion and share your ideas
12:06 pm michelleworgan: What self assessment activities do you use with YL and abults? #ELTchat
12:06 pm sandymillin: #eltchat Our YLs like doing their portfolios. Very proud of them and put in lots of effort: know parents will see them (under 11s only)
12:06 pm bcnpaul1: we use assessment projects that are a series of themed tasks &encourage production more than remembering rules. sts like the format #eltchat
12:06 pm englishraven: RT @mmgrinberg: #Eltchat Frankly speaking, the Head Office hardly ever have a look at the test results (( > That appears common, too!
12:06 pm chucksandy: I'll bring up the often dreaded BIG tests like TOEIC & TOEFL & others. What to do about them? In my context, the TOEIC is a fact #eltchat
12:06 pm erikaosvath: @englishraven Yes, in my experience it is manageable in other contexts 2. Requires different view on what testing is 4 #ELTChat
12:06 pm JoshSRound: @sandymillin true some ss reallly like tests and expect them, others not so - depends on culture, learning background? #eltchat
12:06 pm Marisa_C: RT @sandymillin: #eltchat Our YLs like doing their portfolios. Very proud of them and put in lots of effort: parents will see them
12:06 pm michelleworgan: I prefer to assess classwork and written homework, as well as std portfolios for YLs #ELTchat
12:06 pm barbsaka: RT @sandymillin: #eltchat Our YLs like doing portfolios. Very proud of them and lots of effort: know parents will see them (under 11s only)
12:06 pm janetbianchini: I find that an informal weekly review of things learned is a great way to help ss understand which areas they need to focus on #ELTChat
12:07 pm agfigueiredo: RT @englishraven: RT @bcnpaul1: effective self-assement is difficult but essential to work on all the time #eltchat >> Agreed! #eltchat
12:07 pm Marisa_C: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat
12:07 pm janetbianchini: RT @bethcagnol Has anyone read Lindsay Clanfield's Six Things post on testing? Very good stuff. #ELTCHAT
12:07 pm sandymillin: @JoshSRound #eltchat Depends on learning background, study skills, family environment (my family supported study time etc)...
12:07 pm englishraven: @erikaosvath Right. I agree it is feasible, but requires a lot of work/pushing/patience at the admin end of things. #ELTChat
12:07 pm barbsaka: So, self-assessment, portfolios, standardized testing, informal teacher assessment....what else? Does anyone make their own tests? #ELTChat
12:07 pm linguaprof: Surprising, not many teachers know exactly what a "placement test" is #ELTchat
12:07 pm Marisa_C: YES #ELTchat
12:07 pm bcnpaul1: @englishraven i think a lot of sts 'enjoy' seeing how they're progressing -assessment done well achieves that without beinga 'test' #eltchat
12:07 pm englishraven: RT @Marisa_C: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat
12:07 pm JoshSRound: RT @Marisa_C: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat No!
12:07 pm SugarJo: RT @Marisa_C: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat YES
12:07 pm michelleworgan: RT @janetbianchini: I find informal weekly review of things learned is great way to help ss understnd which areas need to focus on #ELTChat
12:07 pm peterjohnfenton: problem with self-assessment is many students don't see the point - 'surely that's the teacher's job' attitude often exists #eltchat
12:08 pm fionamau: @barbsaka #eltchat End of term business presentation (invent a business,create a powerpoint. give the presentation in pairs/threes.
12:08 pm sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat <yes for YLs, no for others
12:08 pm BethCagnol: @englishraven @bcnpaul1 I need to put together a self-assessment questionnaire this week. Any online suggestions? #ELTCHAT
12:08 pm bjornhg: #eltchat self.assessment based on clear criteria in advance, use portfolio, videotape and self-assess based on criteria, stdts set own goals
12:08 pm rliberni: RT @englishraven: RT @Marisa_C: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat #eltchat
12:08 pm luthcal: Hi peolpe, Luciana from Brazil, just got started. A little lost yet, but delighted. Will engage more effectively next #ELTChat.
12:08 pm sandymillin: RT @barbsaka: Does anyone make their own tests? #ELTChat <yes, we have to make all tests based on what SS have done
12:08 pm SueannaN: RT @JoshSRound: Here in continuous enrolment setting, testing raises some problems (students may be here for just one week for eg) #eltchat
12:08 pm englishraven: Interesting... despite the buzz about portfolio-based assessment, I saw for myself some prbs with this last term... #ELTChat
12:08 pm Marisa_C: RT @sandymillin: RT @barbsaka: Does anyone make their own tests? #ELTChat <yes, we have to make all tests based on what SS have done
12:08 pm rliberni: RT @bcnpaul1: @englishraven i think a lot of sts 'enjoy' seeing how they're progressing -assessment done well achieves that without beinga 'test' #eltchat
12:08 pm chucksandy: in my own classes assessment is continual & ongoing: self & peer of almost everything we do. No testing. Just evaluating. #eltchat
12:08 pm JoshSRound: RT @janetbianchini: an informal review of things learned is a great way to help ss understand what they need to focus on #ELTChat Agree
12:08 pm BethCagnol: @Marisa_C Sorry, currently commenting to class so linkless. #ELTCHAT
12:08 pm sandymillin: RT @peterjohnfenton: problem with self-assessment is many students don't see the point - 'surely that's the teacher's job' attitude often exists #eltchat
12:08 pm michelleworgan: Many materials and course books for YLs now come with self assessment exercises and portfolios #ELTchat
12:09 pm barbsaka: RT @sandymillin: RT @barbsaka: Does anyone make their own tests? #ELTChat <yes, we have to make all tests based on what SS have done
12:09 pm englishraven: I think, for the purposes of this chat, we need to be careful to consider difference b/w assessment, evaluation and testing. #ELTChat
12:09 pm mmgrinberg: @Marisa_C No portfolios here where I work, and that's a shame #Eltchat
12:09 pm rliberni: I don't think there is a 1 size fits all it really depends on teh stds & their needs #eltchat
12:09 pm fionamau: RT @michelleworgan: I prefer to assess classwork and written homework, as well as std portfolios for YLs #ELTchat
12:09 pm bcnpaul1: @bethcagnol i have a self-assessment sheet i can send you - it's on a word doc. tho' #eltchat
12:09 pm erikaosvath: @michelleworgan Lts of reflection type activities w/ YL. List of activ @ the beginning of class, kids predict how they'll do. /1 #ELTChat
12:09 pm MartinWarters: @janetbianchini #ELTChat goes back to learning being iterative, and also proactive.
12:09 pm englishraven: Our chat topic had the "testing" element as its focus. #ELTChat
12:09 pm galactadon: how about standardized tests of English language (national tests, etc.)? #eltchat
12:09 pm peterjohnfenton: @Marisa_C In the past YES, but didn't really catch on with teachers and wasn't implemented properly RE: portfolio assessment #eltchat
12:09 pm Marisa_C: RT @chucksandy: in my own classes assessment is continual & ongoing: self & peer [..]. No testing. Just evaluating. #eltchat
12:09 pm rliberni: RT @michelleworgan: RT @janetbianchini: I find informal weekly review of things learned is great way to help ss understnd which areas need to focus on #ELTChat
12:10 pm agfigueiredo: @englishraven @barbsaka ongoing assessment of sts performance and participation. #eltchat
12:10 pm sandymillin: RT @englishraven: Our chat topic had the "testing" element as its focus. #ELTChat
12:10 pm luthcal: In Brasilia, we always do our own tests. #ELTChat
12:10 pm JoshSRound: We use Progress Tests in course books, not the best perhaps but serve as a review of what covered in class #eltchat
12:10 pm erikaosvath: @michelleworgan Then repeat process @ the end of the lesson #ELTChat
12:10 pm bcnpaul1: portfolios are great but only if they are continued throughout the year and integrated - too often started & neglected #eltchat
12:10 pm chucksandy: SugarJo RT @Marisa_C: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond w/ YES or NO. #ELTchat In classrooms: YES Schoolwide: no
12:10 pm SueannaN: We use placement tests, but I don't think they are always efficient #eltchat
12:10 pm esolcourses: Not keen on standardised tests myself. Often test on a v.narrow range of outcomes & they can be demotivational for some learners #ELTChat
12:10 pm rliberni: RT @Marisa_C: RT @chucksandy: in my own classes assessment is continual & ongoing: self & peer [..]. No testing. Just evaluating. #eltchat
12:10 pm BethCagnol: @chucksandy I turn the TOEIC into a game-like atmosphere with rewards, etc. Lots of candy handed out. #ELTCHAT
12:10 pm MartinWarters: RT @Marisa_C: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat NO
12:10 pm rliberni: RT @SueannaN: We use placement tests, but I don't think they are always efficient #eltchat
12:10 pm michelleworgan: RT @englishraven: Our chat topic had the "testing" element as its focus. #ELTChat| Ok, so how to make tests both effective and stress-free?
12:10 pm chucksandy: RT @englishraven: I think, for the purposes of this chat, we need to be careful to consider difference b/w assessment, evaluation and testing. #ELTChat
12:11 pm fionamau: #eltchat I get students to make tests. In groups, writing say 6 questions, pin all tests on wall, kids do the one they prefer but not own.
12:11 pm Marisa_C: The problem with institutional or commercial tests is they often don't test HOW you teach and just focus on grammar & vocab #ELTchat
12:11 pm janetbianchini: Yes, every week I used to create my own one-hour review test for ss based on what I had taught them -informal so no marks given #ELTchat
12:11 pm erikaosvath: @englishraven Yes, it does require constant work, all of what you listed :-) #ELTChat
12:11 pm galactadon: administrators are the ones fond of standardized tests, right, never teachers #eltchat
12:11 pm JoshSRound: But assessment of speaking & listening often informal, based on teacher impression #eltchat
12:11 pm englishraven: For those of you out there advocating self-assessment, portfolios etc. what are your views on the more common "testing" elements? #ELTChat
12:11 pm sandymillin: #eltchat standard courses (2 x90 min per week) 'lose' 6 lessons per year on mid / end of yr test - 1 x revision, 1 x test, 1 x diagnositc
12:11 pm rliberni: @esolcourses agreed I think a more individualised approach is more valuable #eltchat
12:11 pm bcnpaul1: @SueAnnan placement tests not efficient - I agree but what else do we do? #eltchat
12:11 pm barbsaka: Testing we use: self-assessment, portfolio, performance (presentation, real-life), informal, teacher-created tests, standardized #ELTChat
12:12 pm sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: The problem with institutional or commercial tests is they often don't test HOW you teach and just focus on grammar & vocab #ELTchat
12:12 pm rliberni: Thee is a big diffenernce between testing for progress and testing for qualification or benchmarking #eltchat
12:12 pm englishraven: RT @galactadon: administrators are the ones fond of standardized tests, right, never teachers #eltchat> Not in all cases!
12:12 pm michelleworgan: RT @fionamau: #eltchat I get students to make tests. In groups, 6 questions, all tests on wall, kids do the one they prefer but not own.
12:12 pm fionamau: #eltchat I also get adults to make vocab cards as we go, keep packs of these cards, use to play 'taboo' type game in threes.
12:12 pm sandymillin: @janetbianchini #eltchat How many hours of lessons per week fed into your one-hour review test?
12:12 pm erikaosvath: RT @michelleworgan: Many materials and course books for YLs now come with self assessment exercises and portfolios #ELTchat> & they are gr8
12:12 pm englishraven: RT @rliberni: Thee is a big diffenernce between testing for progress and testing for qualification or benchmarking #eltchat > So true!
12:12 pm barbsaka: Interesting...no one seems against testing, just how it's done #ELTchat
12:12 pm MartinWarters: RT @galactadon: administrators are the ones fond of standardized tests, right, never teachers #eltchat
12:12 pm JoshSRound: RT @rliberni: Thee is a big difference between testing for progress and testing for qualification or benchmarking #eltchat Absolutely
12:13 pm mmgrinberg: #Eltchat External tests can be extremely motivating, esp for adults. My wife signed up for an A1 test of French and that was a success!
12:13 pm BethCagnol: @sandymillin @barbsaka What urks me is how some students (& teachers) misinterpret the differences between level & progress tests. #ELTCHAT
12:13 pm Marisa_C: RT @barbsaka: Interesting...no one seems against testing, just how it's done #ELTchat - only @chucksandy :-)
12:13 pm bcnpaul1: RT @rliberni: Thee is a big diffenernce between testing for progress and testing for qualification or benchmarking #eltchat
12:13 pm luthcal: #ELTChat Making test day a learning day, so as not to miss so much time on just testing.
12:13 pm fionamau: #eltchat Teens make a sort of Trivial Pursuit to test different things, and play once a month or at end of intensive summer course.
12:13 pm sandymillin: RT @bcnpaul1: portfolios great only if continued through the year and integrated - too often started & neglected #eltchat <in our syllabus
12:13 pm galactadon: what about test prep? Is it more valuable to test when students know in advance & study, or surprise tests to judge everyday skill #eltchat
12:13 pm harrisonmike: Same here! RT @rliberni: RT @SueannaN: We use placement tests, but I don't think they are always efficient #eltchat
12:13 pm esolcourses: @SueAnnan another problem with placement tests is that some s's may have already done them elsewhere & might remember the answers! #ELTchat
12:13 pm englishraven: @barbsaka I think more accurate to say people are not against assessment/evaluation... Testing is one of the ways to do it. #ELTChat
12:13 pm englishraven: RT @harrisonmike: Same here! RT @rliberni: RT @SueannaN: We use placement tests, but I don't think they are always efficient #eltchat
12:13 pm erikaosvath: RT @esolcourses: Not keen on standardised tests myself. Often test on a v.narrow range of outcomes & they can be demotivational for some learners #ELTChat
12:13 pm michelleworgan: I generally avoid testing with YLs as they are constantly being tested at school #ELTchat
12:13 pm chucksandy: @bethcagnol: candy in TOEIC class - sweet ^^ Too much emphasis on score in my school. Rewards given for high 1s. Others feel bad #eltchat
12:13 pm MartinWarters: @erikaosvath @michelleworgan #ELTchat, and the CEFR can do statements.
12:13 pm rliberni: Sorry about typos! trying to answer phone & type!! #eltchat
12:14 pm erikaosvath: RT @Marisa_C: The problem with institutional or commercial tests is they often don't test HOW you teach and just focus on grammar & vocab #ELTchat
12:14 pm edumazing: Politicians are too. RT @galactadon: administrators are the ones fond of standardized tests, right, never teachers #eltchat
12:14 pm englishraven: RT @chucksandy: @bethcagnol: candy in TOEIC class - sweet ^^ Too much emphasis on score in my school. Rewards given for high 1s. Others feel bad #eltchat
12:14 pm sandymillin: RT @fionamau: #eltchat adults make vocab cards , keep packs of these cards, use to play 'taboo' type game in 3s <+ many games - will blog
12:14 pm bcnpaul1: don't students ever ask to be tested? Do we ever talk to them about the best way for them to see their progress? - we should #eltchat
12:14 pm sandymillin: RT @mmgrinberg: #Eltchat External tests can be extremely motivating, esp for adults. My wife signed up for an A1 test of French and that was a success!
12:14 pm englishraven: RT @bcnpaul1: don't students ever ask to be tested? Do we ever talk to them about the best way for them to see their progress? - we should #eltchat
12:14 pm rliberni: @harrisonmike I have a very simple mcq placement test & I find it quite accurate #eltchat
12:14 pm mmgrinberg: #eltchat Placement test are often limited to Grammar / Vocab
12:14 pm chucksandy: @marisa-c: Oh, I'm very against testing & don't mind saying so. Any others out there? #eltchat
12:14 pm BethCagnol: @bcnpaul1 Just DMed you my email address for that assessment sheet. Thanks! #ELTCHAT
12:15 pm barbsaka: RT @bcnpaul1: don't students ever ask to be tested? Do we talk to them about best way for them to see their progress? - we should #eltchat
12:15 pm sandymillin: RT @galactadon: what about test prep? Is it more valuable to test when students know in advance & study, or surprise tests to judge everyday skill #eltchat
12:15 pm justyayu: I'm giving end term tests (based on text books)this week but I don't see that they help students improve their English. #ELTchat
12:15 pm rliberni: @harrisonmike (unless the stds get their wives to do it - which happened once & I planned for adv and got pre-int!! #eltchat
12:15 pm galactadon: how does the general testing culture in your country play into your use of tests in ESL classroom? #eltchat
12:15 pm Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 I think most Ss EXPECT to be tested - adults - or the parents do for YLs #eltchat
12:15 pm englishraven: RT @chucksandy: @marisa-c: Oh, I'm very against testing & don't mind saying so. Any others out there? #eltchat > Yep, me!
12:15 pm barbsaka: @bcnpaul1 My students asked to take a national exam this year :-) #eltchat
12:15 pm fionamau: RT @bcnpaul1: @englishraven a lot of sts 'enjoy' seeing how progressing -assessmt done well achieves that w'out beinga 'test' #eltchat
12:15 pm englishraven: RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 I think most Ss EXPECT to be tested - adults - or the parents do for YLs #eltchat > Yes, this is huge...
12:15 pm bcnpaul1: RT @mmgrinberg: #Eltchat External tests can be extremely motivating, esp for adults. My wife signed up for an A1 test of French and that was a success!
12:15 pm BethCagnol: RT @englishraven: RT @rliberni: Thee is a big diffenernce between testing for progress and testing for qualification or benchmarking #eltchat > So true!
12:15 pm esolcourses: RT @bcnpaul1: don't students ever ask to be tested? Do we ever talk to them about the best way for them to see their progress? - we should #eltchat
12:15 pm Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: RT @chucksandy: Oh, I'm very against testing & don't mind saying so. Any others out there? #eltchat > Yep, me! > Me 2
12:15 pm sandymillin: RT @bcnpaul1: don't students ever ask to be tested? we should #eltchat <my teens do - they expect it from school
12:15 pm barbsaka: Important to test what we teach :-) RT @mmgrinberg: #eltchat Placement test are often limited to Grammar / Vocab
12:16 pm galactadon: people love tests though. Some of the most popular content on MSN network is quizzes and tests. As in Cosmo mag. #eltchat
12:16 pm mmgrinberg: #ELTchat Good tips re student-generated testing in good old Minimax book by Jon Taylor
12:16 pm janetbianchini: @sandymillin 15 hours per week +2nd teacher would contribute to 6 hours' teaching = 21 hours.Test based on grammar, vocab + writing #ELTchat
12:16 pm rliberni: @chucksandy not against testing perse but y r we doing it & what is the benefit to the individ learner? #eltchat
12:16 pm sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 I think most Ss EXPECT to be tested - adults - or the parents do for YLs #eltchat <so question of reeducating ppl?
12:16 pm chucksandy: against testing @englishraven & me. Others? #eltchat
12:16 pm fionamau: RT @sandymillin: RT @barbsaka: Does anyone make their own tests? #ELTChat <yes, we have to make all tests based on what SS have done
12:16 pm barbsaka: RT @rliberni: @chucksandy not against testing perse but y r we doing it & what is the benefit to the individ learner? #eltchat
12:16 pm agfigueiredo: RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 I think most Ss EXPECT to be tested - adults - or the parents do for YLs >agree!! #eltchat
12:16 pm bcnpaul1: who is the test for? Teachers to put a mark on their report & students so they can say they got a 4.5 (better than last term..) #eltchat
12:16 pm Marisa_C: I still like the old Oxford Placement Test (claims to test everything) but no prod skills included #eltchat
12:17 pm englishraven: Good test design is really a major skill. Do many schools/teachers have it? Easy to make poor tests...? #ELTChat
12:17 pm michelleworgan: Stds often like to see some comprhensible data that shows they are learning and progressing, i.e. a number or percentage #ELTchat
12:17 pm barbsaka: @bcnpaul1 Good question, Paul #eltchat
12:17 pm erikaosvath: RT @michelleworgan: I generally avoid testing with YLs as they are constantly being tested at school #ELTchat>& how stressed they are, cruel
12:17 pm bcnpaul1: assessment is different as it deals with real-world production & skills useful for guaging learning rather than numbers #eltchat
12:17 pm sandymillin: RT @bcnpaul1: who is the test for? Teachers to put a mark on their report & students so they can say they got a 4.5 (better than last term..) #eltchat
12:17 pm Marisa_C: I think tests are useful as validations of ongoing assessment - becos official looking - for client #ELTchat
12:17 pm barbsaka: @michelleworgan Parents, too! #ELTchat
12:17 pm JoshSRound: RT @bcnpaul1: assessment is different as it deals with real-world production & skills useful for guaging learning rather than numbers #eltchat
12:17 pm SueannaN: I think it depends on the purpose #eltchat
12:18 pm mmgrinberg: @galactadon My adult ss enjoy tests, but not the teens / YLs #Eltchat
12:18 pm sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: I still like the old Oxford Placement Test but no prod skills #eltchat < we have edited w/ speak & writing < normally works
12:18 pm englishraven: @bcnpaul1 Right. Tests are very seldom predominantly "for" the learners. They're for all the (what I call) "investors"! #ELTChat
12:18 pm BethCagnol: #ELTChat Gonna have to sign off early. Class starting. Teaching a multi-level group of doctors in a mental institution. (I fit right in! ;)
12:18 pm sandymillin: RT @englishraven: Good test design is really a major skill. Do many schools/teachers have it? #ELTChat <do schools train it?
12:18 pm erikaosvath: RT @chucksandy: @marisa-c: Oh, I'm very against testing & don't mind saying so. Any others out there? #eltchat >mee too
12:18 pm SamGliksman: How effective are standardized tests? A. Too limited in scope B. Often inaccurate C. Skew teaching towards results D. All of above #eltchat
12:18 pm Marisa_C: @sandymillin that's what I do too - other ways they are good predictors #eltchat
12:18 pm englishraven: RT @mmgrinberg: @galactadon My adult ss enjoy tests, but not the teens / YLs #Eltchat > Any thoughts about why?
12:18 pm esolcourses: @bcnpaul1 @englishraven I upload quizzes to my site on mistakes made in prev. lessons -s's work to complete tests in groups #eltchat
12:19 pm SueannaN: RT @Marisa_C: I still lk the old Oxford Placement Test but no prod skills #eltchat < we have edited w/ speak & writing > so have we
12:19 pm sandymillin: RT @englishraven: @bcnpaul1 Right. Tests are very seldom predominantly "for" the learners. They're for all the (what I call) "investors"! #ELTChat
12:19 pm galactadon: the big EFL companies (Cambridge ESL, ETS etc.) have hoards of test making specialists. Eng testing is big money. #eltchat
12:19 pm bcnpaul1: @sandymillin they like it (being tested) cause that's the only way they can say got a good mark, but does it mean they're learning? #eltchat
12:19 pm cybraryman1: Is there teacher input in the design of the tests to make them more useful for evaluation? #eltchat
12:19 pm barbsaka: Bril! RT @esolcourses: I upload quizzes to my site on mistakes made in prev. lessons -s's work to complete tests in groups #eltchat
12:19 pm MartinWarters: @Marisa_C #ELTchat Not too sure about the minimal pairs aspect of the listening test:)
12:19 pm englishraven: @esolcourses I think tests built around the learners own specific needs/previous mistakes can be a good way to go. #ELTChat
12:19 pm SugarJo: #ELTchat My students have spent their lives failing tests. Tests produce fear in my students. I have to find other ways to assess.
12:19 pm chucksandy: I love assessment. I love peers assessing each other. I hate standardized test tho & the culture that give those tests power #eltchat
12:19 pm englishraven: RT @SugarJo: #ELTchat My students have spent their lives failing tests. Tests produce fear in my students. I have to find other ways to assess.
12:20 pm fionamau: RT @barbsaka: Interesting...no one seems against testing, just how it's done #ELTchat > exercise types should always b same as ones in class
12:20 pm barbsaka: RT @SugarJo: #ELTchat My students have spent lives failing tests. Tests produce fear in my students. I have to find other ways to assess.
12:20 pm sandymillin: RT @galactadon: the big EFL companies (Cambridge ESL, ETS etc.) have hoards of test making specialists. Eng testing is big money. #eltchat
12:20 pm janetbianchini: Noisy +sometimes unmotivated groups of teens would always be quiet and concentrated during the weekly informal "review"( test) Why? #ELTChat
12:20 pm englishraven: @SugarJo But may I ask (devil's advocate...) is it just "tests" -- or the form/focus/delivery of the tests? #ELTChat
12:20 pm JoshSRound: RT @galactadon: the big EFL companies (Cambridge ESL, ETS etc.) have hoards of test making specialists. Eng testing is big money. #eltchat
12:20 pm erikaosvath: @englishraven: @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 I think most Ss EXPECT 2 B tested #eltchat >I tell parents abt the usefulness of self-ass rthr than test
12:20 pm SueannaN: RT @bcnpaul1: @SueAnnan placement tests not efficient - I agree but what else do we do? > espec multiple choice #eltchat
12:21 pm sandymillin: RT @cybraryman1: teacher input in the design of the tests to make them more useful for evaluation? #eltchat <depends on school I think
12:21 pm sandymillin: RT @barbsaka: Bril! RT @esolcourses: I upload quizzes to my site on mistakes made in prev. lessons -s's work to complete tests in groups #eltchat
12:21 pm agfigueiredo: @sandymillin @bcnpaul1 who's the test for?... let's not forget parents who need 'proof' of their children's performance #eltchat
12:21 pm sandymillin: RT @SugarJo: #ELTchat My students have spent their lives failing tests. Tests produce fear in my students. I have to find other ways to assess.
12:21 pm bcnpaul1: I told a student he needed to work harder & he said 'i'll do better in the next test"... "what about in between" I said #eltchat
12:21 pm chucksandy: RT @barbsaka: RT @SugarJo: #ELTchat My students have spent lives failing tests. Tests produce fear in my students. I have to find other ways to assess.
12:21 pm mmgrinberg: #ELTchat Adults are motivated; they know why and what for they are being tested
12:21 pm bcnpaul1: RT @chucksandy: I love assessment. I love peers assessing each other. I hate standardized test tho & the culture that give those tests power #eltchat
12:21 pm SugarJo: #ELTchat @englishraven The kinds of tests so beloved of the system here do not suit some students, but I think thet
12:21 pm englishraven: I'm not keen on the tests we have/use in most places. I'm not entirely against testing as a notion or procedure. #ELTChat
12:22 pm fionamau: RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 I think most Ss EXPECT to be tested - adults - or the parents do for YLs #eltchat
12:22 pm chucksandy: RT @JoshSRound: RT @galactadon: the big EFL companies (Cambridge ESL, ETS etc.) have hoards of test making specialists. Eng testing is big money. #eltchat
12:22 pm sandymillin: RT @janetbianchini: noisy teens would always be quiet and concentrated during weekly informal "review"( test) Why? #ELTChat <it's serious!
12:22 pm harrisonmike: @rliberni Oh dear!! I find you get a lot out of just talking to the Sts for placement testing #eltchat
12:22 pm stopspanglish: #ELTChat: Spanish students cannot keep tests once they've been marked. Mine appreciate having feedback on what they can do to improve.
12:22 pm bcnpaul1: @agfigueiredo true - that's always the problem though - it's a proof thing that isn't real #eltchat
12:22 pm michelleworgan: @agfigueiredo There is often a huge diff btw test result and general progress - can get a bad test mark but good marks on report #ELTchat
12:22 pm SueannaN: RT @harrisonmike: @rliberni Oh dear!! I find you get a lot out of just talking to the Sts for placement testing #eltchat
12:22 pm sandymillin: RT @bcnpaul1: I told a student he needed to work harder & he said 'i'll do better in the next test"... "what about in between" I said #eltchat
12:22 pm janetbianchini: @englishraven @esolcourses I agree - tests were always based on ss errors / problem areas to help them review and improve #ELTchat
12:22 pm sandymillin: RT @mmgrinberg: #ELTchat Adults are motivated; they know why and what for they are being tested <most of the time, not always
12:22 pm erikaosvath: Kids need 2 be motivated to B able 2 identify their own learning priorities, have control over theri learning rather than tests #ELTChat
12:22 pm JoshSRound: On our Foundation course, we have cont assess with varying assignment types & increasing level of weighting, low-risk to higher #eltchat
12:23 pm chucksandy: RT @bcnpaul1: I told a student he needed to work harder & he said 'i'll do better in the next test"... "what about in between" I said #eltchat
12:23 pm michelleworgan: @bcnpaul1 And parents ask why their child got a good report when did badly on test! They just don't get it #ELTchat
12:23 pm barbsaka: Problems with tests--mismatch between how we test and what we teach (e.g., written test in oral English) #eltchat
12:23 pm galactadon: when students are used to comparative tests ranking them against peers, it is hard to convince them that they don't need that #eltchat
12:23 pm SueannaN: RT @galactadon: when students are used to comparative tests ranking them against peers, it is hard to convince them that they don't need that #eltchat
12:23 pm englishraven: Let's not forget that tests can actually be quite effective for learning (stretching, remembering, guessing), if done well. #ELTChat
12:23 pm ALiCe__M: @englishraven I am against testing. It brings back feelings of fear and failure. #ELTchat
12:23 pm Marisa_C: RT @sandymillin: RT @mmgrinberg: #ELTchat Adults are motivated; they know why & what for they are being tested <most of the time, not always
12:23 pm fionamau: RT @chucksandy: against testing @englishraven & me. Others? #eltchatAgainst typical four-day tests (2 fr revision, 1 fr test, 1 fr feedback
12:23 pm sandymillin: RT @erikaosvath: Kids need 2 be motivated to B able 2 identify learning priorities, have control over theri learning #ELTChat <how?
12:23 pm rliberni: @harrisonmike I agree this is the best way but it depends how many stds you have & the time also mine's done via email #eltchat
12:23 pm SugarJo: RT @barbsaka: Problems with tests--mismatch between how we test and what we teach (e.g., written test in oral English) #eltchat AGREE
12:24 pm englishraven: RT @SugarJo: RT @barbsaka: Problems with tests--mismatch between how we test and what we teach (e.g., written test in oral English) #eltchat AGREE
12:24 pm stopspanglish: #ELTChat: How do we present the idea of testing to students? I'm with @BCNPaul - maybe we need to show Ss different advantages of testing.
12:24 pm barbsaka: Probs with performance tests also--not always reliable, and depends on raters grading performance same #ELTChat
12:24 pm bcnpaul1: @erikaosvath how do they respond (the parents you tell abt self-assessment) #eltchat
12:24 pm englishraven: RT @stopspanglish: #ELTChat: How do we present the idea of testing to students? I'm with @BCNPaul- maybe we need to show Ss different advantages of testing.
12:24 pm fceblog: #eltchat A class is private. A test is public. Teachers, students, school authorities, parents get to know about test results.
12:24 pm erikaosvath: Tests have become such a norm, that hardly anyone thinks they need to B reconsidered. Why test at all? What does a grade tell U? #ELTChat
12:24 pm janetbianchini: Sometimes got ss to make up own tests, each group a specific topic/ grammar area- collate different parts,do, then peer corrections #ELTchat
12:24 pm peterjohnfenton: @harrisonmike @rliberni Yeah, usually get a good idea of level just by asking sts to spell their name! #eltchat
12:24 pm esolcourses: RT @barbsaka: Probs with performance tests also--not always reliable, and depends on raters grading performance same #ELTChat
12:24 pm sandymillin: #ELTchat Had 17 y-o SS once whose dad shouted at me as his (excellent) son got 85% not 100% <son was stressed as dad had pressured him
12:24 pm chucksandy: @fionamau: four day testing cycles. How awful. Do students get anything out of the process? #eltchat
12:24 pm bcnpaul1: RT @galactadon: when students are used to comparative tests ranking them against peers, it is hard to convince them that they don't need that #eltchat
12:24 pm sandymillin: RT @galactadon: when students are used to comparative tests ranking them against peers, it is hard to convince them that they don't need that #eltchat
12:25 pm sandymillin: RT @englishraven: Let's not forget that tests can actually be quite effective for learning (stretching, remembering, guessing), if done well. #ELTChat
12:25 pm englishraven: If you apply tests but don't use them for grades, the whole dynamic can change quite dramatically... #ELTChat
12:25 pm bcnpaul1: RT @englishraven: Let's not forget that tests can actually be quite effective for learning (stretching, remembering, guessing), if done well. #ELTChat
12:25 pm rliberni: One problem with testing (in edu generally) is that all the emphasis goes to the test which interferes with learning often #eltchat
12:25 pm michelleworgan: @erikaosvath A test grade can tell u very little - its ongoing classroom performance that should tell you how a std is doing #eltchat
12:25 pm barbsaka: RT @englishraven: If you apply tests but don't use them for grades, the whole dynamic can change quite dramatically... #ELTChat
12:25 pm galactadon: Probs with tests - much easier to test things with 'rules' like grammar and vocab. Hard to test what we really want: communication! #eltchat
12:25 pm sandymillin: RT @stopspanglish: #ELTChat: How do we present the idea of testing to students? I'm with @BCNPaul- maybe we need to show Ss different advantages of testing.
12:25 pm esolcourses: RT @barbsaka: RT @englishraven: If you apply tests but don't use them for grades, the whole dynamic can change quite dramatically.. #ELTChat
12:25 pm erikaosvath: @sandymillin Through eg negotiating course content together, reflecting on what their likes, dislikes, performances #ELTChat
12:25 pm sandymillin: RT @fceblog: #eltchat A class is private. A test is public. Teachers, students, school authorities, parents get to know about test results.
12:25 pm englishraven: So is the problem "testing" or how and why it is used? #ELTChat
12:25 pm SueannaN: RT @englishraven: So is the problem "testing" or how and why it is used? #ELTChat
12:25 pm mmgrinberg: #Eltchat Testing cycles seem to be rubbish. What 's the point??
12:26 pm esolcourses: RT @englishraven: So is the problem "testing" or how and why it is used? #ELTChat ] how and why, I'd say
12:26 pm englishraven: RT @galactadon: Probs with tests - much easier to test things with 'rules' like grammar and vocab. Hard to test what we really want: communication! #eltchat
12:26 pm galactadon: @englishraven Tests that don't count towards your grade! Sounds revolutionary #eltchat
12:26 pm Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: If you apply tests but don't use them for grades, the whole dynamic can change quite dramatically.. #ELTChat > Gd point
12:26 pm JoshSRound: RT @barbsaka: performance tests reliability, depends on grading performance same #ELTChat Criteria needs to be clear & understood by ss
12:26 pm chucksandy: RT @esolcourses: RT @barbsaka: RT @englishraven: If you apply tests but don't use them for grades, the whole dynamic can change quite dramatically.. #ELTChat
12:26 pm rliberni: We should test what is learned not work to the test - this should have better validity #eltchat
12:26 pm stopspanglish: Some ideas, from a blog entry at the beginning of Jan.: http://tinyurl.com/39e8m7x #eltchat
12:26 pm rliberni: RT @SueannaN: RT @englishraven: So is the problem "testing" or how and why it is used? #ELTChat#eltchat
12:26 pm esolcourses: RT @rliberni: We should test what is learned not work to the test - this should have better validity #eltchat ] absolutely!
12:26 pm sandymillin: RT @galactadon: Probs with tests - much easier to test things with 'rules' like grammar and vocab. Hard to test what we really want: communication! #eltchat
12:26 pm englishraven: @esolcourses Quite unbelievably, you and I seem to agree about something! :-) : -) :-) #ELTChat
12:26 pm rliberni: RT @stopspanglish: Some ideas, from a blog entry at the beginning of Jan.: http://tinyurl.com/39e8m7x#eltchat
12:26 pm erikaosvath: @bcnpaul1 Sent a letter 2 paretns about self-ass and no testing explaning the value. Nobody opposed it. Guess was lucky :-) #ELTChat
12:26 pm englishraven: RT @rliberni: RT @stopspanglish: Some ideas, from a blog entry at the beginning of Jan.:http://tinyurl.com/39e8m7x #eltchat
12:26 pm barbsaka: IMO most effective assessment is when teachers know students well, BUT this doesn't translate into school admission or scores #ELTChat
12:26 pm michelleworgan: In summer school as DoS I used 2 pay more attention 2 written piece than reading test score for level testing- more enlightening #eltchat
12:26 pm mmgrinberg: #Eltchat How to create tests that don't make the ss feel they've failed smth?
12:27 pm bruno_cesar82: RT @englishraven: Let's not forget that tests can actly be effective 4learning (stretching, remembering, guessing), if done well. #ELTChat
12:27 pm bcnpaul1: RT: @englishraven So is the problem "testing" or how and why it is used? #ELTChat >how & why it's used I'd say- the concept is not a bad one
12:27 pm rliberni: RT @englishraven: @esolcourses Quite unbelievably, you and I seem to agree about something! :-) : -) :-) #ELTChat #eltchat
12:27 pm fionamau: #ELTChat Why does 'the system' advocate learner-centred teaching, specific student needs, humanising etc etc and standardised tests?
12:27 pm cybraryman1: Need to think about differentiated assessment. My Assessment page: http://bit.ly/aO1xZE #eltchat
12:27 pm barbsaka: @bruno_cesar82 When the "test" is to help students identify accomplishments (strengths) and things to work on (weaknesses) #ELTChat
12:27 pm rliberni: RT @cybraryman1: Need to think about differentiated assessment. My Assessment page:http://bit.ly/aO1xZE #eltchat
12:27 pm bruno_cesar82: #eltchat how to get rid of tests when sts are so used to it?
12:27 pm erikaosvath: RT @barbsaka: @bruno_cesar82 When the "test" is to help students identify accomplishments (strengths) and things to work on (weaknesses) #ELTChat
12:27 pm ALiCe__M: @barbsaka yes, but assessment does not necessariliy imply testing #ELTchat
12:27 pm MartinWarters: @rliberni #ELTchat Testing backwash can be both devastating or motivating.
12:28 pm SueannaN: Don't you also test candidates for the CElta in some way? #ELTChat
12:28 pm janetbianchini: RT @englishraven Let's not forget that tests can be quite effective for learning (stretching, remembering, guessing), if done well. #ELTChat
12:28 pm esolcourses: RT @barbsaka: @bruno_cesar82 When the "test" is to help students identify accomplishments (strengths) and things to work on (weaknesses) #ELTChat
12:28 pm barbsaka: @fionamau The "system" in Asia is not learner-centered or about "needs" lol #ELTChat
12:28 pm fionamau: RT @harrisonmike: @rliberni Oh dear!! I find you get a lot out of just talking to the Sts for placement testing #eltchat >> definitely agree
12:28 pm chucksandy: @englishraven: the problem is testing & the businesses who've convinced the culture(s) that these tests are a measure of success #eltchat
12:28 pm rliberni: RT @barbsaka: @bruno_cesar82 When the "test" is to help stdts identify accomplishments (strengths) & things to work on (weaknesses) #eltchat
12:28 pm Mbarek: Hi all #eLtchat ters ; Just joined :-)
12:28 pm bcnpaul1: RT @michelleworgan In summer school as DoS I used 2 pay more attention 2 written piece- more enlightening #eltchat > I agree wholeheartedly
12:28 pm englishraven: RT @galactadon: Tests that don't count towards your grade! Sounds revolutionary #eltchat > Doesn't it just? Turn upside down and look again!
12:28 pm jessmcculloch: @bruno_cesar82 i think we need to show them the value of others ways just like we need to show parents and school admins #eltchat
12:28 pm galactadon: On student failure: if one assessment activity has different levels of response, all correct but more or less advanced = no failure #eltchat
12:28 pm Blog4Edu: via @cecilialcoelho My #TEFL365 Start ? Things and People that Inspire Me http://bit.ly/epEAx0#ELTChat
12:28 pm ShellTerrell: via @cecilialcoelho My #TEFL365 Start ? Things and People that Inspire Me http://bit.ly/epEAx0#eltchat
12:28 pm erikaosvath: RT @bruno_cesar82: #eltchat how 2 get rid of tests when sts R so used 2 it? > thrgh reflection, asking them y NEED iT/USEFUL & how it helps
12:29 pm barbsaka: @ALiCe__M True #ELTchat
12:29 pm cecilialcoelho: Stopped by real quick... Hope you guys are having a great day (and I'm sure a fab #ELTChat. See you soon!
12:29 pm englishraven: @chucksandy I agree. If we use tests as part of learning, not aspects of official performance, they look/feel different #ELTChat
12:30 pm bruno_cesar82: Agree! RT @barbsaka: @bruno_cesar82 When the "test"is 2help sts identify accomplishments (strengths) +things 2 work on (weaknesses) #ELTChat
12:30 pm esolcourses: RT @chucksandy: @englishraven: the problem is testing & the businesses who've convinced the culture(s) that these tests are a measure of success #eltchat
12:30 pm rliberni: @MartinWarters true so how do we promote the positive effects and diminish the negative? #eltchat
12:30 pm StevenHerder: My Ss do TOEFL iBT to go abroad. Highly motivating, real skills acquired. 1st time Ts & Ss on the same page from day 1 #ELTchat
12:30 pm janetbianchini: RT @cybraryman1 Need to think about differentiated assessment. My Assessment page:http://bit.ly/aO1xZE #eltchat
12:30 pm chucksandy: RT @galactadon: On student failure: if one assessment activity has different levels of response, all correct but more or less advanced = no failure #eltchat
12:30 pm englishraven: @cecilialcoelho You don't know what you're missing, mate! :-) #ELTChat
12:30 pm barbsaka: RT @englishraven: @chucksandy I agree. If we use tests as part of learning, not official performance, they look/feel different #ELTChat
12:30 pm DaveDodgson: By @gret My #RSCON11 Take-Aways!: January 8th?s New Teachers Reform Symposium was a wonderful learning ... http://bit.ly/evLUju #ELTchat
12:30 pm ALiCe__M: @chucksandy fully agree ! #ELTchat
12:30 pm fionamau: RT @chucksandy: @fionamau: four day testing cycles. How awful. Do students get anything out of the process? #eltchat Nope, it's time wasted
12:31 pm mmgrinberg: #Eltchat I still think that some kind of external assessment / testing should take place. Otherwise we would over-depend on our emotions
12:31 pm sandymillin: RT @englishraven: So is the problem "testing" or how and why it is used? #ELTChat
12:31 pm Mbarek: RT @rliberni: RT @englishraven: @chucksandy I agree. If we use tests as part of learning, not official performance, they look/feel different #eltchat
12:31 pm sandymillin: RT @galactadon: @englishraven Tests that don't count towards your grade! Sounds revolutionary #eltchat
12:31 pm sandymillin: RT @rliberni: We should test what is learned not work to the test - this should have better validity #eltchat
12:31 pm barbsaka: @mmgrinberg What do you mean by depending on emotions? #Eltchat
12:31 pm stopspanglish: Testing's also a good diagnostic tool for teachers, so we learn what Ss don't understand (& know what to teach better next time.) #ELTchat
12:31 pm michelleworgan: I recently used test in order to get teen stds focussed -they knew they would have to do a test and took things bit more seriously! #eltchat
12:32 pm Marisa_C: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat
12:32 pm chucksandy: @StevenHerder: do ss find IBT test prep motivating in & of itself? Are they learning more because they're aiming for a high score? #eltchat
12:32 pm rliberni: RT @Marisa_C: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat
12:32 pm barbsaka: Me too! RT @Marisa_C: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat
12:32 pm Begabungs: RT @cybraryman1: Need to think about differentiated assessment. My Assessment page:http://bit.ly/aO1xZE #eltchat
12:32 pm michelleworgan: Although I let them use their books ! Open book testing... #eltchat
12:32 pm efl101: @englishraven definately how + why e.g. diagnostic tests to identify student weaknesses/strengths can be v useful #ELTchat
12:32 pm barbsaka: @erikaosvath Good point #ELTChat
12:32 pm galactadon: So how do you test successful communication activity despite student errors? Some errors impede understanding; others don't. #eltchat
12:32 pm englishraven: @stopspanglish Right -- testing can actually help us teach better (if used the right way?) #ELTChat
12:32 pm rliberni: RT @DaveDodgson: By @gret My #RSCON11 Take-Aways!: January 8th?s New Teachers Reform Symposium was a wonderful learning ... http://bit.ly/evLUju #ELTchat
12:32 pm sandymillin: RT @MartinWarters: @rliberni #ELTchat Testing backwash can be both devastating or motivating.
12:32 pm JoshSRound: @michelleworgan Tests can help motivate sometimes, true, perhaps more so with teens #eltchat
12:33 pm fionamau: RT @barbsaka: @fionamau The "system" in Asia is not learner-centered or about "needs" lol #ELTChat>> true, but Europe is very 'Mario/Scott'
12:33 pm englishraven: RT @efl101: definately how + why e.g. diagnostic tests to identify student weaknesses/strengths can be v useful #ELTchat > YES
12:33 pm Marisa_C: Once I taught an ESP group & on day of test they protested - why individual? we've been doing everything in grps - so i LET them!! #ELTchat
12:33 pm barbsaka: @galactadon Guess it would depend on whether the goal was to assess accuracy, or completing goal :-) #eltchat
12:33 pm bcnpaul1: RT @michelleworgan: Although I let them use their books ! Open book testing... #eltchat
12:33 pm englishraven: RT @Marisa_C: Once I taught an ESP group & on day of test they protested - why individual? we've been doing everything in grps - so i LET them!! #ELTchat
12:33 pm esolcourses: RT @englishraven: @stopspanglish Right -- testing can actually help us teach better (if used the right way?) #ELTChat ] agree ( again ;-)
12:33 pm bruno_cesar82: Gr8 point,Jess!RT @jessmcculloch: i think we need 2show them t value of othr ways just like we need 2show parents+school adm #eltchat
12:33 pm chucksandy: @barbsaka: " If we use tests as part of learning, not official performance, they look/feel different" But then that's assessment #ELTChat
12:33 pm luthcal: #ELTChat The idea of group evaluation is also good.
12:34 pm Mbarek: testing should be aligned with teaching ; We test what we teach #eltchat
12:34 pm englishraven: @Marisa_C I love the notion of Ss doing tests in groups! Task-based learning? :-) #ELTChat
12:34 pm Marisa_C: RT @Marisa_C: Interestingly, they collaborated but didn't just copy - results still reflected indiv differences #ELTchat
12:34 pm galactadon: @ barbsaka Oh, goal completion is so much more valuable to me than accuracy, except at the highest levels. #eltchat
12:34 pm michelleworgan: @JoshSRound Young teens take tests more seriously than self.assessment which they thing is easy way out! #eltchat
12:34 pm mmgrinberg: @barbsaka #Eltchat I mean the feelings that both the Ts and the Ls have about what has been achieved.
12:34 pm rliberni: @bcnpaul1 not sure about open-book testing in language dictionaries p'haps but it's skill not knowledge #eltchat
12:34 pm barbsaka: So, part of the challenge is to broaden parent, admin, and student awareness that there's more than one way (and reason) to assess #eltchat
12:34 pm sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat <me 2 - SS like being experts
12:34 pm jessmcculloch: @bruno_cesar82 i say that 'cause have had students 'wonder when we are going to do real work' rather than what we would consider .. #eltchat
12:34 pm barbsaka: agree! RT @galactadon: @ barbsaka Oh, goal completion is so much more valuable to me than accuracy, except at the highest levels. #eltchat
12:34 pm bcnpaul1: RT @stopspanglish Testing's diagnostic tool for t's to learn what Ss don't u'stand (& know what to teach better next time.) #ELTchat >agree
12:34 pm ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C I like this ! communication means at least two people ! why test individuals? why test at all, really. #ELTchat
12:34 pm rliberni: RT @michelleworgan: @JoshSRound Young teens take tests more seriously than self.assessment which they thing is easy way out! #eltchat
12:34 pm englishraven: @stopspanglish How interesting might it be to announce to Ss "We're having a test, to see how effective I (teacher) have been"? #ELTChat
12:34 pm fionamau: RT @Marisa_C: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat >> it's the best way.They revise when creating tests,plus power-play..
12:34 pm stopspanglish: @englishraven : Yup! Get the exams, you start to mark, and... whoops! Looks like THAT one didn't work! Back to the drawing board! #ELTchat
12:35 pm esolcourses: I like to put learners in groups to do tests if possible, as I it gives s's the opportunity to peer correct each other #ELTChat
12:35 pm michelleworgan: Oops, this is going so fast I'm retweeting my own tweet! Sorry! Mistake... #eltchat
12:35 pm englishraven: RT @esolcourses: I like to put learners in groups to do tests if possible, as I it gives s's the opportunity to peer correct each other #ELTChat
12:35 pm bcnpaul1: RT @englishraven: @stopspanglish How interesting might it be to announce to Ss "We're having a test, to see how effective I (teacher) have been"? #ELTChat
12:35 pm jessmcculloch: @bruno_cesar82 to be 'good stuff.,' and have seen them lap up the worksheets I despise. they have the system ingrained in them too #eltchat
12:35 pm chucksandy: RT @englishraven: @stopspanglish How interesting might it be to announce to Ss "We're having a test, to see how effective I (teacher) have been"? #ELTChat
12:35 pm rliberni: RT @esolcourses: I like to put learners in groups to do tests if possible, as I it gives s's the opportunity to peer correct each other #ELTChat
12:35 pm rliberni: RT @fionamau: RT @Marisa_C: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat >> it's the best way.They revise when creating tests,plus power-play..
12:35 pm michelleworgan: RT @esolcourses: I like to put learners in groups to do tests if possible, as it gives ss opportunity to peer correct each other #ELTChat
12:35 pm SugarJo: RT @Marisa_C: tests - why individual? we've been doing everything in grps - so i LET them!! #ELTchat I Works well in my context too
12:35 pm bcnpaul1: @englishraven @stopspanglish Good idea! How effective a teacher I've been... although, er, it's risky #eltchat
12:36 pm rliberni: RT @bcnpaul1: @englishraven @stopspanglish Good idea! How effective a teacher I've been... although, er, it's risky #eltchat
12:36 pm barbsaka: One of the greatest values I've found in testing (formal or informal) is to check how well I did with teaching :-) #eltchat
12:36 pm michelleworgan: RT @fionamau: RT @Marisa_C: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat >> it's the best way.They revise when creating tests
12:36 pm JoshSRound: RT @esolcourses: I like to put learners in groups to do tests if possible, to peer correct each other #ELTChat Good idea
12:36 pm fionamau: RT @englishraven: @stopspanglish testing can actually help us teach better #ELTChat >> or worse if we only teach 2 the exam
12:36 pm esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: Once I taught an ESP group & on day of test they protested - why individual? we've been doing everything in grps - so i LET them!! #ELTchat
12:36 pm cybraryman1: RT @barbsaka: One of the greatest values I've found in testing (formal or informal) is to check how well I did with teaching :-) #eltchat
12:36 pm rliberni: RT @barbsaka: One of the greatest values I've found in testing (formal or informal) is to check how well I did with teaching :-) #eltchat
12:36 pm englishraven: I think good effective assessment is all about triangulation, and good tests under right conditions can be part of that. #ELTChat
12:36 pm chucksandy: how about collaborative testing: ss in groups come up with test questions for other groups who then work together to take the tests #eltchat
12:36 pm bcnpaul1: RT @ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C I like this ! communication means at least two people ! why test individuals? why test at all, really. #ELTchat
12:37 pm Mbarek: RT @englishraven: I think good effective assessment is all about triangulation, and good tests under right conditions can be part of that. #ELTChat
12:37 pm englishraven: RT @chucksandy: how about collaborative testing: ss in groups come up with test questions for other groups who then work together to take the tests #eltchat
12:37 pm erikaosvath: @michelleworgan: @esolcourses: I like to put learners in groups to do tests if possible >I prefer self-correct, so that they learn #ELTChat
12:37 pm chucksandy: RT @SugarJo: RT @Marisa_C: tests - why individual? we've been doing everything in grps - so i LET them!! #ELTchat I Works well in my context too
12:37 pm JoshSRound: @englishraven sorry, triangulation? #eltchat
12:37 pm rliberni: As a tool for assessing the teaching/learning it's valuable maybe time to find a new word for it? #eltchat
12:37 pm stopspanglish: @bcnpaul1: Agreed. Pobody's nerfect, especially teachers. Especially THIS one. #ELTchat.
12:37 pm SueannaN: RT @esolcourses: I lk 2 put learners in groups 2 do tests if possible, > works well in teams/ Grammar auction type thingy #ELTChat
12:37 pm englishraven: @chucksandy student-created tests are some of the best (and most creative/surprising) I have ever seen. #ELTChat
12:37 pm efl101: benchmark test (vocab etc) helps sts monitor own progress and aids motivation? #ELTchat
12:37 pm michelleworgan: @rliberni with open book tests the point is they are revising while doing the test - something my teen stds wouldn't do otherwise.. #eltchat
12:38 pm bruno_cesar82: @jessmcculloch that's the point! Some tchrs boost rivalry amongs sts through their grades. So sad. #eltchat
12:38 pm efl101: RT @chucksandy: how about collaborative testing: ss in groups come up with test questions for other groups who then work together to take the tests #eltchat
12:38 pm rliberni: @MartinWarters I agree I think there is maybe too much emphasis on competition - it's not really valid at all ever! #eltchat
12:38 pm sandymillin: @MartinWarters @rliberni #ELTchat Perhaps to set personal goals in any form of assessment. No need for comparison w/other SS <great idea!
12:38 pm Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 Good tests are part of the evaluation of a course - problem is they are ONLY a tiny part not the WHOLE PIC #ELTchat
12:38 pm galactadon: if communication is the primary goal in learning English (which it should be), then group/pair testing is really the only way. #eltchat
12:38 pm bruno_cesar82: RT @barbsaka: One of the greatest values I've found in testing (formal or informal) is to check how well I did with teaching :-) #eltchat
12:38 pm erikaosvath: RT @SueannaN: RT @esolcourses: I lk 2 put learners in groups 2 do tests if possible, > works well in teams/ Grammar auction type thingy #ELTChat
12:38 pm englishraven: @JoshSRound Triangulation = using more than one source and style of information to draw conclusions. #ELTChat
12:38 pm mmgrinberg: RT @JoshSRound: @englishraven sorry, triangulation? #eltchat
12:38 pm sandymillin: RT @englishraven: @chucksandy student-created tests are some of the best (and most creative/surprising) I have ever seen. #ELTChat
12:38 pm englishraven: RT @galactadon: if communication is the primary goal in learning English (which it should be), then group/pair testing is really the only way. #eltchat
12:38 pm erikaosvath: RT @bruno_cesar82: @jessmcculloch that's the point! Some tchrs boost rivalry amongs sts through their grades. So sad.>very much so #eltchat
12:38 pm esolcourses: @erikaosvath self correction is good, but peer correction also gives speaking & listening practice (killing 2 birds with 1 stone!) #ELTChat
12:38 pm michelleworgan: RT @galactadon: if communication is primary goal in learning Eng(which it should be), group/pair testing is really the only way. #eltchat
12:38 pm kit2kat: @SueAnnan not tested for #CELTA - just interview and mini teach with pre-course exercises which aren't necc. reviewed #ELTChat
12:38 pm sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 Good tests are part of the evaluation of a course - problem is they are ONLY a tiny part not the WHOLE PIC #ELTchat
12:38 pm agfigueiredo: @englishraven @stopspanglish When sts don't go well I tell them it's OUR performance being measured #eltchat
12:38 pm bcnpaul1: gd assessment shd give sts a chance to use all their language (learnt anywhere) in meaningful tasks not just lang. studied in class #eltchat
12:39 pm chucksandy: @barbsaka: "One of the greatest values I've found in testing ... is to check how well I did with teaching" Why not just ask them? #eltchat
12:39 pm janetbianchini: I personally enjoy taking short, sharp tests for my own benefit to show me how I am getting on with a subject #ELTchat
12:39 pm rliberni: RT @englishraven: @chucksandy student-created tests are some of the best (and most creative/surprising) I have ever seen. #ELTChat #eltchat
12:39 pm barbsaka: RT @janetbianchini: I personally enjoy taking short, sharp tests for my own benefit to show me how I am getting on with a subject #ELTchat
12:39 pm englishraven: RT @janetbianchini: I personally enjoy taking short, sharp tests for my own benefit to show me how I am getting on with a subject #ELTchat
12:39 pm StevenHerder: @chucksandy #eltchat J Ss say they work harder knowing the score determines what uni they can join
12:39 pm Marisa_C: @efl101 I like this idea of collaborative tests - groups against groups #eltchat
12:39 pm bcnpaul1: RT @englishraven: @JoshSRound Triangulation = using more than one source and style of information to draw conclusions. #ELTChat
12:39 pm JoshSRound: @englishraven Thanks! #eltchat
12:39 pm rliberni: @michelleworgan oh, I see now #eltchat
12:39 pm fionamau: RT @Marisa_C: @efl101 I like this idea of collaborative tests - groups against groups #eltchat
12:39 pm juliaalling: Brain research suggests that testing helps retention and acquisition of information/knowledge. It's the form of the test that cts #Eltchat
12:39 pm barbsaka: I also like tests that students can take until they get a perfect score--the video game approach to assessment #ELTChat
12:39 pm stopspanglish: @rliberni : The useful thing about a "Test" is that once you do well at one, it can be a source of pride...AND motivation. #ELTchat
12:39 pm SueannaN: @kit2kat but in interview you are 'testing' a set of applic. criteria #CELTA#ELTChat
12:39 pm bruno_cesar82: Great idea!RT @sandymillin: RT @englishraven: @chucksandy st-created tests R some of the best (+ most creative/surprising) Ive seen #ELTChat
12:39 pm juliaalling: RT @barbsaka: RT @janetbianchini: I personally enjoy taking short, sharp tests for my own benefit to show me how I am getting on with a subject #ELTchat
12:40 pm esolcourses: @SueAnnan yes, grammar auction type activities are fun! #ELTChat
12:40 pm rliberni: RT @janetbianchini: I personally enjoy taking short, sharp tests for my own benefit to show me how I am getting on with a subject #eltchat
12:40 pm sandymillin: RT @barbsaka: I also like tests that students can take until they get a perfect score--the video game approach to assessment #ELTChat
12:40 pm bcnpaul1: @Marisa_C yes! and sts often think they can do nothing but cram for the test - i did that & look at me!! :) #eltchat
12:40 pm erikaosvath: @esolcourses I think sts R ready 2 learn difft things, we or peers might not know wht the individuals learning priorities R #ELTChat
12:40 pm ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C I don't like this kind of "competition" with communication and language, it can B stressful for the weakest #ELTchat
12:40 pm barbsaka: RT @ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C I don't like this kind of "competition" with communication and language, it can B stressful for the weakest #ELTchat
12:40 pm sandymillin: RT @ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C I don't like this kind of "competition" with communication and language, it can B stressful for the weakest #ELTchat
12:40 pm englishraven: @JoshSRound hence you might draw on self, peer, portfolio assessmnt alongside a test of some sort... see what it all shows together #ELTChat
12:40 pm stopspanglish: Shades of Kant: Is the test the means to an end, or the end itself? (It *was* Kant, wasn't it?) #ELTchat
12:40 pm Mbarek: Tests need credibility , diagnostic test should be able to give feedback on the level of learners #eltchat
12:40 pm sandymillin: RT @stopspanglish: Shades of Kant: Is the test the means to an end, or the end itself? (It *was* Kant, wasn't it?) #ELTchat
12:41 pm jessmcculloch: @erikaosvath @bruno_cesar82 yes, and our crooms should definitely not be about competition. No wonder so many kids hate school! #eltchat
12:41 pm SugarJo: RT @ALiCe__M I don't like this kind of "competition" with communication and language, it can B stressful for the weakest #ELTchat YES!
12:41 pm galactadon: @janetbianchini "short sharp tests on how you're doing" : sounds like studying to me. Does it count as a test if self-administered? #eltchat
12:41 pm efl101: trick maybe identify sts who respond to/need tests and others for whom it is a nightmare! #ELTchat
12:41 pm chucksandy: @englishraven "student-created tests are some of the best (and most creative/surprising) I've seen" Agree. great learning activity #eltchat
12:41 pm englishraven: Great thing about student-generated tests is that you really don't need to test them after that... :-) #ELTChat
12:41 pm rliberni: @stopspanglish I agree with this but this is also personal & there isn't much validity in comparisons with s/one else #eltchat
12:41 pm sandymillin: #eltchat Has anyone had any success with online testing? How do SS respond?
12:41 pm janetbianchini: RT @JuliaAlling Brain research suggests testing helps retention &acquisition of information/knowledge. It's form of test that cts #Eltchat
12:41 pm barbsaka: @ALiCe__M I have a few students that would totally shut down in a test situation, but quite competent otherwise. #ELTchat
12:41 pm JoshSRound: @englishraven and get a more rounded picture of progress/performance...Yep, v good idea #eltchat
12:41 pm englishraven: RT @SugarJo: RT @ALiCe__M I don't like this kind of "competition" with communication and language, it can B stressful for the weakest #ELTchatYES!
12:41 pm erikaosvath: See, so many different types of preferences in testing. Can we do the same in our teaching? #ELTChat
12:41 pm bcnpaul1: @ALiCe__M I agree - language learning shdn't be a competition with yr peers - it shd be enjoyable & rewarding #eltchat
12:41 pm rliberni: RT @stopspanglish: Shades of Kant: Is the test the means to an end, or the end itself? (It *was* Kant, wasn't it?) #ELTchat #eltchat
12:41 pm sandymillin: RT @efl101: trick maybe identify sts who respond to/need tests and others for whom it is a nightmare! #ELTchat <differentiated testing :)
12:41 pm Marisa_C: @ALiCe__M It's not a competition unless the teacher creates this type of atmosphere #ELTchat
12:41 pm sandymillin: RT @englishraven: Great thing about student-generated tests is that you really don't need to test them after that... :-) #ELTChat
12:41 pm SueannaN: @esolcourses have you seen book 'is that what you mean'? #ELTChat
12:42 pm barbsaka: @sandymillin They like online "quizzes" especially when they'ree game-like #eltchat
12:42 pm ALiCe__M: @barbsaka OUI I''ve seen that so many times !! (and I only teach adults) #ELTchat
12:42 pm englishraven: RT @Marisa_C: @ALiCe__M It's not a competition unless the teacher creates this type of atmosphere #ELTchat
12:42 pm michelleworgan: Is stds create tests do you give them ideas 4 type of exercises or Qs? With YLs it may be "see who can make a test no-one can do!" #eltchat
12:42 pm erikaosvath: RT @englishraven: Great thing about student-generated tests is that you really don't need to test them after that... :-) >agree !#ELTChat
12:42 pm efl101: too often test stops with marking - analysis and feedback = essential #ELTchat
12:42 pm galactadon: @sandymillin we do an absolute ton of online testing in my company (all of it actually) Can be less stressful: take test at home #eltchat
12:42 pm ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C No, Marisa, students create competition themselves, beleive me !! #ELTchat
12:43 pm JoshSRound: @bcnpaul1 @ALiCe__M competition works if set up as a fun element; of course teens may take this too far, but good with adults #eltchat
12:43 pm englishraven: RT @galactadon: @sandymillin we do an absolute ton of online testing in my company (all of it actually) Can be less stressful: take test at home #eltchat
12:43 pm sandymillin: RT @efl101: too often test stops with marking - analysis and feedback = essential #ELTchat <definitely! But then r u teaching to the test?
12:43 pm Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 I was raised in a cram-for-the-test education culture & know how well u cn do on tests & still know nothing the next day #eltchat
12:43 pm barbsaka: @michelleworgan Fun idea, Michelle! #eltchat
12:43 pm bruno_cesar82: @jessmcculloch @erikaosvath Perhaps tests are the reason why so many students hate school. food for thought. #eltchat
12:43 pm rliberni: With testing we need to identify the reason, negotiate the follow-up and start early on so that they become 'everyday' #eltchat
12:43 pm agfigueiredo: RT @efl101: too often test stops with marking - analysis and feedback = essential > Indeed! #eltchat
12:43 pm stopspanglish: One issue teaching in Spain: anything < 100% is a disaster. Need to keep reminding them: It's language, it's inherently imperfect. #ELTchat
12:43 pm michelleworgan: After a test do u go over problematic areas in susbequent classes? I think this is really important #eltchat
12:43 pm JoshSRound: RT @efl101: too often test stops with marking - analysis and feedback = essential #ELTchat Often the feedback not effective or rushed
12:43 pm erikaosvath: RT @bruno_cesar82: @jessmcculloch @erikaosvath Perhaps tests R the reason y so many students h8 skool. food 4 thought.>agree #eltchat
12:43 pm sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 I was raised in a cram-for-the-test education culture & know how well u cn do on tests & still know nothing the next day #eltchat
12:43 pm efl101: RT @JoshSRound: @bcnpaul1 @ALiCe__M competition works if set up as a fun element; of course teens may take this too far, but good with adults #eltchat
12:43 pm mmgrinberg: #Eltchat Can we measure anything at all or are we only looking at tests from motivating / demotivating perspective?
12:43 pm ALiCe__M: @JoshSRound well, I would not be so affirmative. Some adults can be very competitive too #ELTchat
12:44 pm Marisa_C: @ALiCe__M Then mark the testers as well for fairness and designing good questions #ELTchat
12:44 pm bcnpaul1: @JoshSRound agree, competiton in class activites is gd, bt not when success on the course is always about being better than another #eltchat
12:44 pm barbsaka: RT @stopspanglish: One issue teaching in Spain: anything < 100% is a disaster. Need to remind them: It's language, it's imperfect. #ELTchat
12:44 pm SueannaN: RT @bcnpaul1: @JoshSRound agree, competiton in class activites is gd, bt not when success on the course is always about being better than another #eltchat
12:44 pm esolcourses: @erikaosvath accept yr point, but with good planning & grouping students appropriately, can work well (generally does 4 me, anyway) #ELTChat
12:44 pm englishraven: @Marisa_C I know a raven who got 87% on an official Yr 12 Eng Lit exam, with two (of 5) essays abt books he hadn't even read... #ELTChat
12:44 pm barbsaka: @stopspanglish Problem in Asia, too! #ELTchat
12:44 pm rliberni: I'm coming round to more of a coaching point of view I think it's more supportive of learning but I don't have to b accountable #eltchat
12:44 pm jessmcculloch: @bruno_cesar82 well, imagine how we would feel as staff if we were compared to each other with some of us rewarded?! eewww... #eltchat
12:44 pm ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C eheh ! and who would mark the testers' testers ? #ELTchat
12:44 pm efl101: @sandymillin teaching to test = tricky if test formal requirement then we have to don't we? #ELTchat
12:44 pm michelleworgan: We need to try and get stds to realise that a mark or test result isn't the be all and end all #eltchat
12:44 pm barbsaka: RT @mmgrinberg: #Eltchat Can we measure anything at all or are we only looking at tests from motivating / demotivating perspective?
12:45 pm kit2kat: @SueAnnan I was the applicant :) - impression is they focus on motivation for EFL & classroom presence... #CELTA #ELTChat
12:45 pm sandymillin: #eltchat If teaching at a school, does your school monitor tests / set them or is it up to teachers?
12:45 pm Marisa_C: @englishraven Pleased to meet you - now I know why we are friends - we have good test adrenali reaction #ELTChat
12:45 pm janetbianchini: Bit behind #ELTchat - pack of wild dogs just went past house - had to check on the chickens - Kelly barked the pack off the land - phew!!
12:45 pm sandymillin: RT @jessmcculloch: @bruno_cesar82 well, imagine how we would feel as staff if we were compared to each other with some of us rewarded?! eewww... #eltchat
12:45 pm barbsaka: @rliberni Yes, I feel the same, and lucky that I don't have to answer to admin :-) #eltchat
12:45 pm SueannaN: @kit2kat Trinity have discrete tests #CELTA #ELTChat
12:45 pm galactadon: if you don't want students to pay attention to the grade on a test, seems like they shouldn't be graded, or graded in another way #eltchat
12:45 pm efl101: @JoshSRound sad but true - lots of learning from mistakes potential missed #ELTchat
12:45 pm Marisa_C: @ALiCe__M You are testing my patience !!! :-D #ELTchat
12:46 pm erikaosvath: sry, got 2 go back 2 work. hre's 1 procedure of testing that has worked 4 me. sry abt the linkhttp://bit.ly/dQspvE #ELTChat
12:46 pm englishraven: Let's not forget that a lot of what we are discussing here is very wishful thinking to many teachers... Testing rules most roosts #ELTChat
12:46 pm JoshSRound: @bcnpaul1 yep, wdn't want to stress competition among peers when success on course or in test is pivotal in some way #eltchat
12:46 pm sandymillin: #eltchat At my school we have folder of tests made by teachers, but don't think any1 ever looks at them 2nd time - one use only! New each yr
12:46 pm ALiCe__M: @michelleworgan problem is when they've spent their lives thinking my mark=myself=my value in life #ELTchat
12:46 pm barbsaka: RT @englishraven: Let's not forget that a lot of what we are discussing here is wishful thinking to many Testing rules most roosts #ELTChat
12:46 pm janetbianchini: RT @SueAnnan @esolcourses have you seen book 'is that what you mean'? #ELTChat - I love it! I use it a lot! Love the cartoons!
12:46 pm Marisa_C: @sandymillin It would be good for a school to have a database of test items - surely possible now? #eltchat
12:46 pm edumazing: RT @bruno_cesar82: @jessmcculloch @erikaosvath Perhaps tests are the reason why so many students hate school. food for thought. #eltchat
12:46 pm chucksandy: RT @galactadon: if you don't want students to pay attention to the grade on a test, seems like they shouldn't be graded, or graded in another way #eltchat
12:46 pm rliberni: RT @englishraven: @Marisa_C I know a raven got 87% on an off Yr 12 Eng Lit ex, with 2/5 essays abt bks he hadn't read. #eltchat
12:46 pm erikaosvath: Bye everyone, gr8 chat. Sorry for having to leave! See ya next time :-) Special thanks to the moderators! #ELTChat
12:47 pm sandymillin: @efl101: Agreed - I teach Cambridge exams and have to analyse, but is it better to focus on lang or exam skills? #ELTchat
12:47 pm SueannaN: @janetbianchini It's great for students to test themselves too #ELTChat
12:47 pm bcnpaul1: @sandymillin teachers designed our assessment projects, which are evaluated by teachers each yr and adapted if necessary. #eltchat
12:47 pm rliberni: @englishraven in ur Yr 12 experience u rest our case! #eltchat
12:47 pm bruno_cesar82: #eltchat it's important that if sts are tested they get the appropriate feedback on it.whether +or-. some schools don't even care abt it
12:47 pm sandymillin: RT @galactadon: if you don't want students to pay attention to the grade on a test, seems like they shouldn't be graded, or graded in another way #eltchat
12:47 pm englishraven: @rliberni Yes, I do prove your and @Marisa_C 's point! :-) #ELTChat
12:47 pm sandymillin: RT @englishraven: Let's not forget that a lot of what we are discussing here is very wishful thinking to many teachers... Testing rules most roosts #ELTChat
12:47 pm michelleworgan: @englishraven Yes, some people are good uder pressure in test conditions, others aren't so therefore not reliable? #eltchat
12:48 pm jessmcculloch: @bruno_cesar82 also, tests themselves are not necessarily the problem- the value and emphasis placed on them is #eltchat
12:48 pm rliberni: @Tricia617 accountable to my stds but not to any external 'official' body #eltchat
12:48 pm Marisa_C: Well, we haven't mentioned the sychological factors in test conditions - some Ss just not able to focus - paralysed during tests #ELTchat
12:48 pm tmkhr: RT @bruno_cesar82: #eltchat it's important that if sts are tested they get the appropriate feedback on it.whether +or-. some schools don't even care abt it
12:48 pm efl101: @sandymillin hopefully lang = focus coz test = lang but... student expectations = role here #ELTchat
12:48 pm esolcourses: @janetbianchini @SueAnnan no, I haven't seen the book - will scope it out sometime - thanks :-) #ELTChat
12:48 pm ESLMadrid: I'm new here #eltchat
12:48 pm sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: @sandymillin good 2 hav a database of test items #eltchat<trying 2 start it, but we hav 2 comps / 30 teachers & sm resist
12:48 pm englishraven: @michelleworgan Well, I don't know about "good at tests"... good at poorly designed tests perhaps! :-) #ELTChat
12:48 pm luthcal: RT @barbsaka: @rliberni Yes, I feel the same, and lucky that I don't have to answer to admin :-) #eltchat
12:49 pm sandymillin: RT @michelleworgan: @englishraven Yes, some people are good uder pressure in test conditions, others aren't so therefore not reliable? #eltchat
12:49 pm englishraven: RT @Marisa_C: Well, we haven't mentioned the sychological factors in test conditions - some Ss just not able to focus - paralysed during tests #ELTchat
12:49 pm galactadon: Isn't part of the discomfort on tests that language is messy while tests are rigid? Do you feel this way about math tests? #eltchat
12:49 pm ALiCe__M: @barbsaka co-assessment I find very helpful, both for students and my teaching #ELTchat
12:49 pm luthcal: RT @michelleworgan: @englishraven Yes, some people are good uder pressure in test conditions, others aren't so therefore not reliable? #eltchat
12:49 pm efl101: @Marisa_C true can be real problem for some very good students - just freeze up in tests #ELTchat
12:49 pm esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C we haven't mentioned the sychological factors in test conditions - some Ss just not able to focus during tests #ELTchat
12:49 pm sandymillin: RT @ESLMadrid: I'm new here #eltchat Welcome! What do you think of SS testing? Should we do it? How?
12:49 pm Marisa_C: Have seen many good students (AND teachers being tested) who just lose it completely during tests #ELTchat
12:49 pm barbsaka: Test taking definitely a skill set--I notice a huge difference between 8 yo (haven't started testing in school) vs 12 yo (experts!) #ELTchat
12:50 pm englishraven: RT @Marisa_C: Have seen many good students (AND teachers being tested) who just lose it completely during tests #ELTchat
12:50 pm Mbarek: lots of my ss learn only for tests and grades not for life #eltchat
12:50 pm bcnpaul1: @ESLMadrid welcome to #eltchat - it's great :)
12:50 pm michelleworgan: @Marisa_C Yes, that was my point, Marisa! Then again, is being under pressure a skill for life? #eltchat
12:50 pm rliberni: I also feel that we intellectualise the teaching of language far too much hence the tests - if you can do it you can do it #eltchat
12:50 pm bruno_cesar82: #eltchat what to do when your institution does not allow student failure?
12:50 pm sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: Have seen many good students (AND teachers being tested) who just lose it completely during tests #ELTchat
12:50 pm esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: Have seen many good students (AND teachers being tested) who just lose it completely during tests #ELTchat ] Same here
12:50 pm sandymillin: RT @barbsaka: Test taking definitely a skill set--I notice a huge difference between 8 yo (haven't started testing in school) vs 12 yo (experts!) #ELTchat
12:50 pm chucksandy: @ESLMadrid: welcome! #eltchat consists of some of the friendliest people around. Enjoy! #eltchat
12:50 pm englishraven: @Marisa_C Right, which is why I think triangulation becomes so important for assessment. #ELTChat
12:50 pm sandymillin: RT @Mbarek: lots of my ss learn only for tests and grades not for life #eltchat
12:50 pm Marisa_C: @michelleworgan are we supposed to also cover this? :-D #eltchat
12:50 pm SueannaN: RT @chucksandy: @ESLMadrid: welcome! #eltchat consists of some of the friendliest people around. Enjoy! #eltchat
12:50 pm barbsaka: @bruno_cesar82 I used to separate assessment (for me) and testing (for school--everyone passed!) #eltchat
12:50 pm JoshSRound: RT @michelleworgan: @Marisa_C Yes, that was my point, Marisa! Then again, is being under pressure a skill for life? #eltchat Yep agree
12:50 pm stopspanglish: @Marisa_C : Sports psych: "A test is not punishment, it's not humiliation. It's a challenge: challenges bring out the best in me." #ELTChat
12:50 pm bcnpaul1: RT @rliberni: I also feel that we intellectualise the teaching of language far too much hence the tests - if you can do it you can do it #eltchat
12:50 pm sandymillin: RT @michelleworgan: @Marisa_C Yes, that was my point, Marisa! Then again, is being under pressure a skill for life? #eltchat
12:50 pm SueannaN: RT @Mbarek: lots of my ss learn only for tests and grades not for life #eltchat
12:50 pm janetbianchini: @SueAnnan Yes, I agree. Students testing each other orally is something I do quite often - it seems to work + they enjoy it #ELTchat
12:50 pm ALiCe__M: @barbsaka YES ! skill test is the fifth skill ! #ELTchat
12:51 pm englishraven: RT @chucksandy: @ESLMadrid: welcome! #eltchat consists of some of the friendliest people around. Enjoy! #eltchat > Totally agree! Welcome!
12:51 pm chucksandy: RT @rliberni: I also feel that we intellectualise the teaching of language far too much hence the tests - if you can do it you can do it #eltchat
12:51 pm englishraven: RT @janetbianchini: @SueAnnan Yes, I agree. Students testing each other orally is something I do quite often - it seems to work + they enjoy it #ELTchat
12:51 pm sandymillin: RT @bruno_cesar82: #eltchat what to do when your institution does not allow student failure? < cry! Depends on if SS still move up or not.
12:51 pm englishraven: RT @stopspanglish: @Marisa_C : Sports psych: "A test is not punishment, it's not humiliation. It's a challenge: challenges bring out the best in me." #ELTChat
12:51 pm michelleworgan: @Marisa_C Haha no but is taking away tests making everything too far into the comfort zone? #eltchat
12:51 pm englishraven: RT @ALiCe__M: @barbsaka YES ! skill test is the fifth skill ! #ELTchat
12:51 pm bruno_cesar82: #eltchat I used to freak out on tests day. But not w some tchrs who would make me feel comfortable in testing me.there was no gotcha factor
12:51 pm sandymillin: RT @stopspanglish: @Marisa_C : Sports psych: "A test is not punishment, it's not humiliation. It's a challenge: challenges bring out the best in me." #ELTChat
12:51 pm Mbarek: RT @stopspanglish: @Marisa_C : Sports psych: "A test is not punishment, it's not humiliation. It's a challenge: challenges bring out the best in me." #ELTChat
12:51 pm barbsaka: @michelleworgan A fine line to walk #eltchat
12:51 pm efl101: @Marisa_C question is how to help exam shy sts? #ELTchat
12:52 pm esolcourses: @JoshSRound @Marisa_C to perform under pressure requires confidence... bit of a catch-22 for s's who have yet to pass an exam #ELTChat
12:52 pm Marisa_C: @michelleworgan Well no but we do have to take that into account when setting up a test to take away the fear #eltchat
12:52 pm sandymillin: RT @efl101: @Marisa_C question is how to help exam shy sts? #ELTchat
12:52 pm bcnpaul1: RT @Marisa_C: Have seen many good students (AND teachers being tested) who just lose it completely during tests #ELTchat
12:52 pm edumazing: Tests+no technology+teacher directed learning+authority+lack of understanding+no connection+no choices=I hate school #eltchat
12:52 pm rliberni: Afraid I have to duck out - sorry- enjoy the rest of the chat! Thanks to gr8 moderators @englishraven@barbsaka & @marisa_c #eltchat
12:52 pm luthcal: #ELTChat Collaboration is essential also for assessment. Ss produce together and have opportunity to learn again.
12:52 pm englishraven: Mmm, how many teachers test versus how many teachers test and support with strategies? #ELTChat
12:52 pm ALiCe__M: @michelleworgan for some teachers the comfort zone is in testing like breathing #ELTchat
12:52 pm janetbianchini: RT @stopspanglish: @Marisa_C : Sports psych: "A test is not punishment, it's not humiliation. It's a challenge: challenges bring out the best in me." #ELTChat
12:53 pm sandymillin: RT @edumazing: Tests+no technology+teacher directed learning+authority+lack of understanding+no connection+no choices=I hate school #eltchat
12:53 pm englishraven: RT @edumazing: Tests+no technology+teacher directed learning+authority+lack of understanding+no connection+no choices=I hate school #eltchat
12:53 pm barbsaka: RT @edumazing: Tests+no technology+teacher directed learning+authority+lack of understanding+no connection+no choices=I hate school #eltchat
12:53 pm MASHinEFL: RT @stopspanglish: Sports psych: "A test is not punishment, not humiliation. It's a challenge: and brings out the best in me." #ELTChat YES
12:53 pm Mbarek: @englishraven I agree with u ,especially in project work #ELTChat
12:53 pm chucksandy: RT @luthcal: #ELTChat Collaboration is essential also for assessment. Ss produce together and have opportunity to learn again.
12:53 pm JoshSRound: @esolcourses @Marisa_C agree, bt tests can go from low importance to higher in stages 2 build confidence & ability to deal w press #eltchat
12:53 pm englishraven: RT @barbsaka: Test taking definitely a skill set--I notice a huge difference between 8 yo (haven't started testing in school) vs 12 yo (experts!) #ELTchat
12:54 pm kit2kat: