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Are there advantages to being a non-native-speaking teacher

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December 8, 2010
8:57 pm vickyloras: Ready? Ready!!! #ELTChat
8:59 pm olafelch: So, the #ELTchat topic is: Are there advantages to being a non-native-speaking teacher? - What do you think?
9:00 pm jurylady: RT @ShellTerrell: Join us in 30 min for #Eltchat Topic Are there advantages to being a non-native-speaking teacher?
9:00 pm olafelch: @SueAnnan Hope it's warmer than North Germany! #ELTchat
9:00 pm Fuertesun: @vickyloras #ELTChat Ready
9:01 pm cecilialcoelho: For the next hour my tweets will be for #ELTChat
9:02 pm olafelch: RT @SueAnnan: I think that NNests very often have a better grasp of grammar~ #ELTchat
9:02 pm vickyloras: @olafelch I believe you can understand the way your students learn,sometimes regardless of the language they speak #ELTChat
9:02 pm DaveDodgson: With young learners, it's my experience that NNESTs have fewer discipline issues/get more respect #ELTchat
9:02 pm nutrich: Signing in to see what non-native speakers say coz you know more about it than me! #eltchat
9:02 pm SueannaN: RT @nutrich: Signing in to see what non-native speakers say coz you know more about it than me! #eltchat
9:02 pm trylingual: RT @nutrich: Signing in to see what non-native speakers say coz you know more about it than me! #eltchat
9:02 pm Fuertesun: @DaveDodgson not sure about that in my situation #ELTchat
9:03 pm SueannaN: RT @cecilialcoelho: For the next hour my tweets will be for #ELTChat
9:03 pm cecilialcoelho: One myself I believe there r advnt 2 being a NNEST Teacher - for 1, if we teach in our countries we know what STs will struggle w/ #ELTChat
9:03 pm europeaantje: landing on the #eltchat NNEST
9:03 pm Fuertesun: @cecilialcoelho okay but i've been here in spain 12 years so can say same? #ELTChat
9:04 pm cecilialcoelho: @vickyloras @olafelch I think understanding what yr STs say no matter how they speak is actually negative Vicky #ELTChat
9:04 pm olafelch: Just to be clear, I suggest we start off with NNests in monolingual classes. #ELTchat
9:04 pm europeaantje: RT @olafelch: Just to be clear, I suggest we start off with NNests in monolingual classes. #ELTchat
9:04 pm nutrich: @cecilialcoelho and having learned the language like they are doing you'll understand their situation better, would you agree? #ELTchat
9:04 pm Fuertesun: @olafelch okay nnests more sensitive to learning the language #ELTchat
9:04 pm SueannaN: I think they have to be careful not to use too much L1 in classroom #ELTChat
9:04 pm nutrich: RT @olafelch: Just to be clear, I suggest we start off with NNests in monolingual classes. #ELTchatGood point!
9:05 pm olafelch: @vickyloras OK, but doesn't that apply to a native-speaker who has learned a foreign language also? #ELTChat
9:05 pm cecilialcoelho: @Fuertesun Have you been teaching English for that long? Cause then you can definitely say the same #ELTChat
9:05 pm Fuertesun: @cecilialcoelho 14 years #ELTChat
9:05 pm vickyloras: @cecilialcoelho @olafelch Sorry Ceci,I meant they way they learn grammar,syntax and all that #ELTChat
9:05 pm bcnpaul1: good evening all #eltchat
9:05 pm cecilialcoelho: @nutrich Absolutely Richard... And you know the connections they make, you know why they struggle with something #ELTchat
9:06 pm vickyloras: RT @olafelch : @vickyloras OK, but doesn't that apply to a native-speaker who has learned a foreign language also? #ELTChat >>Definitely
9:06 pm Fuertesun: @bcnpaul1 Hi Paul #eltchat
9:06 pm nutrich: Perhaps NNESTs (and NESTs who've lived in the same foreign place 4 a long time) have issues with accepting awkward pron. #eltchat
9:06 pm cecilialcoelho: @vickyloras :-)))) I agree with you then !!! #ELTChat
9:07 pm nutrich: @cecilialcoelho I would think that the potential is there to be a better role-model than a native speaker can be. #ELTchat
9:07 pm PixieAnia: @DaveDodgson @#ELTchat ur right- telling the ss off in their native lg stms works quicker, it's not a rule though:-)
9:07 pm DaveDodgson: @nutrich I think there are also issues with anticipating difficulties when they may not always come up! #ELTchat
9:07 pm Fuertesun: Maybe Nnests are more capable of aniticipating problems #eltchat
9:08 pm Fuertesun: @olafelch @olafelch #eltchatmaybe understand it more #eltchat
9:08 pm europeaantje: @nutrich not only awkward pronunciation. also awkward grammar, awkward vocab #eltchat
9:08 pm bcnpaul1: RT @Fuertesun: Maybe Nnests are more capable of aniticipating problems #eltchat > agree!
9:08 pm nutrich: @SueAnnan so used to the idiosyncratic pron that poor pron is accepted whereas wouldn't be understood by a foreigner to that area #eltchat
9:08 pm bcnpaul1: I don't understand why the school I work in only employs NESTs #eltchat
9:08 pm olafelch: RT @Fuertesun: Maybe Nnests are more capable of aniticipating problems #eltchat (Not sure i agree with that - depends v much on the Tchr)
9:08 pm nutrich: RT @europeaantje: @nutrich not only awkward pronunciation. also awkward grammar, awkward vocab #eltchat possibly, but I think pron most
9:08 pm DaveDodgson: @PixieAnia I used to talk about discipline issues in L1 but stopped because of the giggles... #ELTchat
9:08 pm Fuertesun: @nutrich think I do that after 12 years here #eltchat
9:08 pm helenstrong: It's NESTs who haven't bothered learning another language who are at a disadvantage #ELTchat
9:08 pm SueannaN: @nutrich thanks for clarifying #eltchat
9:09 pm europeaantje: @bcnpaul1 coz the market demands it still? #eltchat
9:09 pm harrisonmike: Agree RT @helenstrong: It's NESTs who haven't bothered learning another language who are at a disadvantage #ELTchat
9:09 pm cecilialcoelho: I think a NEST who's been living in a foreign country, & Tching English thre, 4 many yrs, understnds STs as well as a NNEST at home #ELTChat
9:09 pm hoprea: I've just arrived. What has been said so far? Let's see... #ELTChat
9:09 pm DaveDodgson: @bcnpaul1 Marketing? #ELTchat
9:09 pm Fuertesun: @olafelch yes but as a general rule? #eltchat
9:09 pm olafelch: RT @helenstrong: It's NESTs who haven't bothered learning another language who are at a disadvantage #ELTchat Agree!
9:09 pm europeaantje: RT @cecilialcoelho: I think a NEST who's been living in a foreign country, & Tching English thre, 4 many yrs, understnds STs as well as a NNEST at home #ELTChat
9:09 pm Fuertesun: RT @harrisonmike: Agree RT @helenstrong: It's NESTs who haven't bothered learning another language who are at a disadvantage #ELTchat
9:09 pm eannegrenoble: RT @nutrich: RT @europeaantje: @nutrich not only awkward pronunciation. also awkward grammar, awkward vocab #eltchat possibly, but I think pron most
9:09 pm cecilialcoelho: @nutrich I had never thought of that Richard - the NNEST teacher being a role model. I like that! It makes sense #ELTchat
9:09 pm nutrich: @SueAnnan no probs - it's tough in 140 chars! #ELTchat
9:10 pm Fuertesun: RT @cecilialcoelho: I think a NEST who's been living in a foreign country, & Tching English thre, 4 many yrs, understnds #ELTChat -agree
9:10 pm hoprea: @cecilialcoelho Hmmm... it all depends on how the NEST sees the culture he's inserted in. #ELTChat
9:10 pm cerirhiannon: #ELTchat - sorry, arrived late, trying to catch up!
9:10 pm nutrich: @cecilialcoelho definitely! You are a living breathing example that this awkward language can be learned!! ; ) #ELTchat
9:10 pm PixieAnia: @#ELTchat Native T smtms say that non natives have a better understanding of the lg as they've learnt it as SL, do you agree?
9:10 pm hoprea: @cerirhiannon Yay! I'm not alone! :) #ELTChat
9:10 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @hoprea: @cecilialcoelho Hmmm... it all depends on how the NEST sees the culture he's inserted in. #ELTChat > Agreed Rick! Gotta want it
9:10 pm helenstrong: So the discussion shouldn't really be about NNESTS and NESTS... #ELTchat
9:11 pm DaveDodgson: @olafelch @helenstrong Not sure about that - I work with 2 guys who've been here 10+ years, Turkish is terrible but do a great job #ELTchat
9:11 pm Fuertesun: RT @hoprea: @cerirhiannon Yay! I'm not alone! :) #ELTChat jejej
9:11 pm europeaantje: RT @helenstrong: So the discussion shouldn't really be about NNESTS and NESTS... #ELTchat | but about ....?
9:11 pm helenstrong: ...but about monolingual and multilingual speakers #ELTchat
9:11 pm nutrich: RT @olafelch: @nutrich do you mean they tend to accept L1 interference more readily? #eltchat Sorry, missed this, yes that's what I meant!
9:11 pm eannegrenoble: RT @Fuertesun: RT @hoprea: @cerirhiannon Yay! I'm not alone! :) #ELTChat - we are many :-°°
9:11 pm europeaantje: RT @helenstrong: ...but about monolingual and multilingual speakers #ELTchat
9:12 pm helenstrong: sorry, can't type that fast #ELTchat
9:12 pm europeaantje: @helenstrong discussion should still be NEST-NNEST from student/parent POV #ELTchat
9:12 pm olafelch: @helenstrong Not necessarily. A monolingual NNEST isn't really an option! ;o) #ELTchat
9:12 pm helenstrong: RT @europeaantje: discussion should still be NEST-NNEST from student/parent POV #ELTchat >Yes, unfortunately
9:13 pm SueannaN: We have adult students who refuse to be taught by our NNests #ELTchat
9:13 pm DaveDodgson: @europeaantje @helenstrong Parent views are an issue - why hasn't my kid got a NEST but the other classes have? etc #ELTchat
9:13 pm Fuertesun: Parents here if paying obsessed with native #eltchat
9:13 pm nutrich: RT @helenstrong: So the discussion shouldn't really be about NNESTS and NESTS... #ELTchat | There are good Ts and not so good Ts.
9:13 pm helenstrong: RT @olafelch: Not necessarily. A monolingual NNEST isn't really an option! ;o) #ELTchat Oh yes, but you know what I mean ;-)
9:13 pm olafelch: @nutrich I have that problem sometimes - have to be careful about it. #eltchat
9:13 pm Fuertesun: @nutrich yes much more complex than nest nonnest #ELTchat
9:14 pm europeaantje: RT @DaveDodgson: @helenstrong Parent views are an issue - why hasn't my kid got a NEST but the other classes have? etc #ELTchat
9:14 pm PixieAnia: @DaveDodgson my Spanish friend teaches in high school in Poland n deals with dis problems in colloquial Polish, he says it works:) @#ELTchat
9:14 pm olafelch: @helenstrong ;o) #ELTchat
9:14 pm bcnpaul1: RT @Fuertesun: Parents here if paying obsessed with native #eltchat > schools will always think about $ first
9:14 pm gret: @SueannaN It happens here a lot too, esp w/ business english students #ELTChat
9:14 pm nutrich: RT @Fuertesun: Parents here if paying obsessed with native #eltchat | This is an unfortunately strong mentality.
9:14 pm hoprea: Most students still have the view that NESTs will speak the real language, and NNESTs will always speak coursebook language. #ELTChat
9:14 pm Mbarek: Hi everone ! Just joined in #ELTchat
9:14 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @hoprea: Most students still have the view that NESTs will speak the real language, and NNESTs will always speak coursebook language. #ELTChat
9:15 pm DaveDodgson: @PixieAnia I can see that working with teenagers, not sure about the younger kids though! #ELTchat
9:15 pm olafelch: @bcnpaul1 This is an important point - right or wrong the customers' wishes do play a role in this. #eltchat
9:15 pm Fuertesun: @hoprea madness huh? #ELTChat
9:15 pm SueannaN: @gret Hi Greta. What can you do? They are paying after all #ELTChat
9:15 pm olafelch: RT @hoprea: Most students still have the view that NESTs will speak the real language, and NNESTs will always speak CB language. #ELTChat
9:15 pm cecilialcoelho: @hoprea And in a way, this might be true Rick. It all comes down to the teacher, whether NEST or not and his effort #ELTChat
9:15 pm nutrich: @hoprea but do ss need to know the 'real' language, or a global version?! #ELTchat
9:15 pm DaveDodgson: @hoprea And yet they (usually) both teach with the coursebook... ;) #ELTchat
9:16 pm Fuertesun: RT @cecilialcoelho: @hoprea And in a way, this might be true Rick. It all comes down to the teacher, whether NEST or not and ... #ELTChat
9:16 pm hoprea: I think many schools should also seriously rethink their ways if they refuse to hire NNESTs. So they wouldn't hire sb they taught? #ELTChat
9:16 pm olafelch: RT @cecilialcoelho: @hoprea This might be true Rick. It all comes down to the teacher, whether NEST or not and his effort #ELTChat
9:16 pm cecilialcoelho: @hoprea A NNEST needs to work with other media to keep up with current language and not get stuck w/ old (& unused idioms) lang #ELTChat
9:16 pm SueannaN: RT @olafelch: RT @cecilialcoelho: @hoprea This might be true Rick. It all comes down to the teacher, whether NEST or not and his effort #ELTChat
9:16 pm surreallyno: I noticed the NNESTs use more engaging /better strategies in terms of teaching YL. #ELTChat
9:16 pm helenstrong: RT @nutrich: but do ss need to know the 'real' language, or a global version?! #ELTchat Exactly! How do we get that through to customers?
9:16 pm hoprea: @nutrich Gee... what would real language be, then? :) #ELTChat
9:16 pm gret: @SueannaN Hi! =) I know... It doesn't happen that much with young learners though #ELTChat
9:16 pm europeaantje: RT @europeaantje: initial parent/client/student view = NEST is better. Needs convincing them if otherwise #eltchat
9:16 pm Fuertesun: @hoprea #ELTChatgood point #ELTChat
9:17 pm DaveDodgson: RT @hoprea: many schools should seriously rethink their ways if they refuse to hire NNESTs. So they wouldn't hire sb they taught? #ELTChat
9:17 pm nutrich: RT @hoprea: @nutrich Gee... what would real language be, then? :) #ELTChat well you saw my blog post ranting about this! ; )
9:17 pm hoprea: Let me introduce you all to a new teacher to #ELTChat. A great teacher he is: @wbarboza
9:17 pm cecilialcoelho: @europeaantje But how to convince them? #ELTChat
9:17 pm europeaantje: @DaveDodgson there´s 2 ex sts @ our school that teach! #ELTChat
9:17 pm SueannaN: @Mbarek Hi Nice to see you here #ELTChat
9:18 pm nutrich: RT @cecilialcoelho: @europeaantje But how to convince them? #ELTChat | Better dialogue between schools and parents
9:18 pm olafelch: @bcnpaul1 I agree completely. The problem for the schools is it's not smart marketing to tell customers that they're ignorant. #ELTchat
9:18 pm PixieAnia: @DaveDodgson @#eltchat they're probably too young n wouldn't get it, am sure you worked out ur own solutions for these problems
9:18 pm gret: RT @hoprea: Let me introduce you all to a new teacher to #ELTChat. A great teacher he is: @wbarboza
9:18 pm cecilialcoelho: @wbarboza Hello and welcome to #ELTChat
9:18 pm olafelch: RT @hoprea: Let me introduce you all to a new teacher to #ELTChat. A great teacher he is: @wbarboza
9:18 pm bcnpaul1: RT @DaveDodgson: @hoprea And yet they (usually) both teach with the coursebook... ;) #ELTchat > indeed
9:18 pm PixieAnia: RT @DaveDodgson: RT @hoprea: many schools should seriously rethink their ways if they refuse to hire NNESTs. So they wouldn't hire sb they taught? #ELTChat
9:18 pm hoprea: @wbarboza I'm using www.tweetgrid.com to follow the discussion... then you have to follow the #ELTchat and always tweet using this #ELTChat.
9:18 pm SueannaN: RT @cecilialcoelho: @wbarboza Hello and welcome to #ELTChat
9:18 pm Fuertesun: @cecilialcoelho I work for a nnest with her own academy and she has no problems #ELTChat
9:18 pm cecilialcoelho: @nutrich I think leaving this to better dialogue between parents and schools is utopic Richard #ELTChat
9:18 pm europeaantje: @cecilialcoelho convincing takes a bit of time w the teacher or years n years of company/school policy of hiring competent NNESTS #ELTChat
9:18 pm Mbarek: I think that personal & professional backgrounds are more importnat than being Nt or NNT #eltchat
9:18 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho @europeaantje It's tough - even enlightened parents say they are delighted when their kids have a native teacher ;) #ELTchat
9:18 pm gret: @wbarboza Hi from Buenos Aires, Argentina! Welcome to #ELTChat
9:19 pm nutrich: @cecilialcoelho I think it's a good place to start : ) #ELTChat
9:19 pm Fuertesun: RT @DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho @europeaantje It's tough - even enlightened parents say they are delighted when their kids have a native teacher ;) #ELTchat
9:19 pm DaveDodgson: @PixieAnia Yes - do it all in English :) #ELTchat
9:19 pm gret: @Mbarek Couldn't agree more! #ELTChat
9:19 pm bcnpaul1: RT @cecilialcoelho: @wbarboza Hello and welcome to #ELTChat
9:19 pm cecilialcoelho: @europeaantje Agree with you Guido... Patience, persistence... and good results #ELTChat
9:20 pm nutrich: What about shared classes? A NEST and a non-NEST? #ELTChat
9:20 pm europeaantje: RT @shaznosel: @olafelch I agree! As a NEST this causes me a huge headache..and I need time to plan a grammar lesson..#eltchat
9:20 pm vickyloras: RT @hoprea I think schls shld also seriously rethink their ways if they refuse2hire NNESTs.So they wldn't hire sb they taught? #ELTChat
9:20 pm Mbarek: @gret speaking Eng can't do the job :-) #ELTChat
9:20 pm DaveDodgson: @europeaantje We have several at mine who graduated from the high school, spent 4 years at uni then came back as teachers! #ELTchat
9:20 pm hoprea: To be honest, I don't hire teachers based on their nationalities. Many ntv spkrs start teaching abroad bcz can't do other things. #ELTChat
9:20 pm bcnpaul1: @nutrich pay 2 teachers for 1 class! #eltchat
9:20 pm Fuertesun: @europeaantje I team teach with nnests works well #eltchat
9:20 pm europeaantje: @DaveDodgson good role models for the sts #ELTchat
9:20 pm nutrich: I was once told it was against EU law to advertise for native speakers only, still happens though #ELTChat
9:20 pm Mbarek: RT @hoprea: To be honest, I don't hire teachers based on their nationalities. Many ntv spkrs start teaching abroad bcz can't do other things. #ELTChat
9:21 pm olafelch: I think it was Peter Medgyes who said, "When a NS makes a mistake it's called creativity. When I make a mistake, it's a mistake." #ELTchat
9:21 pm gret: @Mbarek exactly! if your teaching skills aren't good enough it doesn't matter if you are a NEST or a NNEST #ELTChat
9:21 pm cerirhiannon: RT @olafelch: I think it was Peter Medgyes who said, "When a NS makes a mistake it's called creativity. When I make a mistake, it's a mistake." #ELTchat
9:21 pm SueannaN: RT @olafelch: I think it was Peter Medgyes who said, "When a NS makes a mistake it's called creativity. When I make a mistake, it's a mistake." #ELTchat
9:21 pm nutrich: @cecilialcoelho It didn't cross my mind!! ; ) #ELTChat
9:21 pm bcnpaul1: @nutrich my school is a good case #eltchat
9:21 pm Mbarek: RT @olafelch: I think it was Peter Medgyes who said, "When a NS makes a mistake it's called creativity. When I make a mistake, it's a mistake." #ELTchat
9:21 pm japglish: May be looking at this from the worng perspective. State school teachig is absolutely dominated by NNESTS often betterdeal & pay #ELTchat
9:21 pm SueannaN: RT @gret: @Mbarek exactly! if your teaching skills aren't good enough it doesn't matter if you are a NEST or a NNEST #ELTChat> agreed
9:21 pm osvetlana: @nutrich We are having this..Really hard. Students don't follow. #ELTChat
9:22 pm nutrich: @bcnpaul1 lol! I mean swaps, one week on, one week off #ELTChat
9:22 pm wbarboza: @hoprea I could not agree more with you when you say that schools that do not hire NNEST should rethink their ways. #ELTchat
9:22 pm hoprea: @wbarboza If you need help, I'm on Gtalk. #ELTChat
9:22 pm cecilialcoelho: @japglish That is a sad thing...if the reason NNESTs are being hired is because they r cheaper #ELTchat
9:22 pm cerirhiannon: RT @cecilialcoelho: @japglish That is a sad thing...if the reason NNESTs are being hired is because they r cheaper #ELTchat
9:22 pm Mbarek: @gret absolutely , teaching needs lots of skills in addition to speaking a LG #ELTChat
9:22 pm nutrich: @osvetlana I used to do it, it requires a lot of communication between Ts, but good for TD also, sharing ideas #ELTChat
9:22 pm DinaDobrou: @olafelch especially at advanced level classes sts feel that. #eltchat
9:23 pm nutrich: @bcnpaul1 how do you mean? What does your school do? #ELTChat
9:23 pm gret: RT @Mbarek: @gret absolutely , teaching needs lots of skills in addition to speaking a LG #ELTChat
9:23 pm DinaDobrou: RT @DaveDodgson: RT @hoprea: many schools should seriously rethink their ways if they refuse to hire NNESTs. So they wouldn't hire sb they taught? #ELTChat
9:23 pm Fuertesun: RT @gret: RT @Mbarek: @gret absolutely , teaching needs lots of skills in addition to speaking a LG #ELTChat
9:23 pm europeaantje: @cecilialcoelho @japglish in Spain that´s not the only reason. NEST qualifications from "back home" not acce`pted :-( #ELTchat
9:23 pm hoprea: @cecilialcoelho Gee... let's not even get started on salaries. It's just horrible being assessed by the place you were born. #ELTChat
9:23 pm japglish: @cecilialcoelho No, you misunderstand me - I mean NNESTs get paid BETTER with more security than NESTs in some countries #ELTchat
9:23 pm PixieAnia: @olafelch @#ELTchat - I- as a NNT - love it!;-)
9:23 pm SueannaN: MY classes are different as they are multinational. They all ask for Nests #ELTChat
9:23 pm nutrich: @japglish interesting point. Some places have native assistants though, don't they? #ELTChat
9:24 pm vickyloras: And how many times have we heard NS say they want to teach bc "they know the lang" when in fact they aren't really into teaching? #ELTChat
9:24 pm Mbarek: @SueAnnan @gret 1 advantage is that NNt can use local lg to facilitate learng Eng #ELTChat
9:24 pm japglish: @cecilialcoelho In Japan, NNESTS did less hours, for more money working in state schools #eltchat
9:24 pm cerirhiannon: RT @japglish: @cecilialcoelho NNESTs get paid BETTER with more security than NESTs in some countries #ELTchat > in state system, not in PLS
9:24 pm eannegrenoble: @japglish Yeah - I said the same thing and forgot the tag #ELTchat
9:24 pm lingliziya: #ELTChat hello i've never participated in a chat before!
9:24 pm cecilialcoelho: @japglish So I rephrase it... very sad NESTs are being hired because they are cheaper - not because they r good Ts. #ELTchat
9:24 pm Mbarek: RT @SueannaN: MY classes are different as they are multinational. They all ask for Nests #ELTChat
9:24 pm DaveDodgson: @japglish @cecilialcoelho Not the case in Turkey. NESTs get a much better deal. #ELTchat
9:24 pm olafelch: @DinaDobrou Agreed. Also in advanced ESP courses a Nest might have an advantage (subject to background experience) #eltchat
9:24 pm nutrich: @japglish but mostly in private academies NESTs get more money and more perks #ELTChat
9:25 pm hoprea: Would you like to have a Brazilian teacher teaching you English in China? Many ppl dismiss the idea out of hand. #ELTChat
9:25 pm Mbarek: RT @vickyloras: And how many times have we heard NS say they want to teach bc "they know the lang" when in fact they aren't really into teaching? #ELTChat
9:25 pm vickyloras: @wbarboza Welcome to #ELTChat!
9:25 pm cecilialcoelho: In Brazil NESTs definitely get more money and more perks #ELTChat
9:25 pm Fuertesun: @cerirhiannon I work as a lang ass in state school and nnests get double my wage #ELTchat
9:25 pm bcnpaul1: @nutrich it follows the law implicitly but only employs NESTS #eltchat
9:25 pm DinaDobrou: My "good evening all" didn't appear in the timeline. I'm on mobile. Broadcast will be slow. #eltchat
9:25 pm gret: @Mbarek @SueAnnan agree! Also having learned another language helps NNt understand what students have to deal with #ELTChat
9:25 pm europeaantje: @hoprea hahaha I was the Belgian who taught Eng in Brazil. Very respected tho I was :-) #ELTChat
9:26 pm cerirhiannon: RT @bcnpaul1: @nutrich it follows the law implicitly but only employs NESTS #eltchat > absolutely - same situation
9:26 pm nutrich: @bcnpaul1 Oh I see, re: the advertising thing. Dodgy isn't it?! #eltchat
9:26 pm hoprea: RT @cecilialcoelho: In Brazil NESTs definitely get more money and more perks #ELTChat
9:26 pm Mbarek: @vickyloras language is an advantage but needs professional traing to teach effectively #ELTChat
9:26 pm nutrich: RT @Mbarek: @vickyloras language is an advantage but needs professional traing to teach effectively #ELTChat
9:26 pm japglish: @nutrich in some countries yes, but not all. In some countries yes, but often trade for few labour rights for e.g. #ELTChat
9:26 pm bcnpaul1: At BC we're supposed to be promoting british culture but half the teachers haven't lived in UK for several years #eltchat
9:26 pm gret: RT @nutrich: RT @Mbarek: @vickyloras language is an advantage but needs professional traing to teach effectively #ELTChat
9:26 pm DaveDodgson: @hoprea We have a Brazilian teaching English here! And a Slovak, a Spaniard and an Albanian. Used to have a couple of Poles as well #ELTchat
9:26 pm cerirhiannon: RT @Fuertesun: @cerirhiannon I work as a lang ass in state school and nnests get double my wage #ELTchat > absolutely - same situation 4 me
9:26 pm bcnpaul1: @nutrich very dodgy #eltchat
9:26 pm Fuertesun: @bcnpaul1 great cultural ambassadors we are huh? #eltchat
9:27 pm hoprea: @europeaantje I can certainly see that happening. Brazilians tend to go with the foreigner easily! :) #ELTChat
9:27 pm olafelch: RT @bcnpaul1: At BC we're supposed to be promoting british culture but half the teachers haven't lived in UK for several years #eltchat
9:27 pm bcnpaul1: @Fuertesun quite! #eltchat :)
9:27 pm nutrich: @japglish that's true. NESTs often don't get given proper visas and are busted by the police, ahem, cough #eltchat
9:27 pm cecilialcoelho: @lingliziya Breath deep, don't get desperate...it gets better with time. First time's usually overwhelming. Welcome!!! :-) #ELTChat
9:27 pm vickyloras: @Mbarek Agree wth you absolutely,Mbarek.Teaching needs training regardless,don't you think? #ELTChat
9:27 pm lyonsmik: RT @ddeubel: I'd like to see an open source, constantly edited, hyper linked, textbook for all ELT teachers. In Google docs. #eltchat
9:27 pm cerirhiannon: RT @cecilialcoelho: @lingliziya Breath deep, don't get desperate...it gets better with time. First time's usually overwhelming. Welcome!!! :-) #ELTChat
9:27 pm europeaantje: @hoprea TOO easily :-) #ELTChat
9:27 pm nutrich: @cecilialcoelho @lingliziya good advice! Hello! #ELTChat
9:27 pm olafelch: @bcnpaul1 That's where I think trips "home" to tank up on culture are really necessary. #eltchat
9:27 pm bcnpaul1: NNESTS are better able to promote culture of learning I think #eltchat
9:28 pm gret: RT @vickyloras: @Mbarek Agree wth you absolutely,Mbarek.Teaching needs training regardless,don't you think? #ELTChat
9:28 pm lingliziya: #ELTChat I thinks Non-native speakers are great! They know the grammar much better and know the problems. I get jealous!
9:28 pm hoprea: @DaveDodgson That's always good to hear, and I don't think it makes any difference if you're a good teacher. :) #ELTChat
9:28 pm lolonagi: #ELtchat all the time:)
9:28 pm cecilialcoelho: @bcnpaul1 Why is that Paul? (interesting concept #ELTChat
9:28 pm europeaantje: RT @vickyloras: @Mbarek Agree wth you absolutely,Mbarek.Teaching needs training regardless,don't you think? #ELTChat
9:28 pm nutrich: RT @olafelch: @bcnpaul1 That's where I think trips "home" to tank up on culture are really necessary. #eltchat
9:28 pm bcnpaul1: @olafelch yes but when you've lived away for so long, that view of your culture is distorted #eltchat
9:28 pm cerirhiannon: RT @cecilialcoelho: @bcnpaul1 Why is that Paul? (interesting concept #ELTChat
9:28 pm bcnpaul1: I tend to tank up on engloish food #eltchat
9:29 pm Mbarek: @gret sure I sometimes use Arabic and French to express the meaning of an English word #ELTChat
9:29 pm europeaantje: RT @lingliziya: #ELTChat I thinks Non-native speakers are great! They know the grammar much better and know the problems. I get jealous!
9:29 pm SueannaN: RT @nutrich: RT @olafelch: @bcnpaul1 That's where I think trips "home" to tank up on culture are really necessary. #eltchat>agreed
9:29 pm olafelch: @bcnpaul1 Very true. #eltchat
9:29 pm nutrich: @bcnpaul1 Beer and pies! #ELTChat
9:29 pm DaveDodgson: @hoprea They are all in high school though. Why? Because they want the younger kids to hear 'proper' native pronunciation /o\ #ELTchat
9:29 pm wbarboza: @hoprea Totally! Once in the classroom, what matters is quality instruction. #ELTchat
9:29 pm bcnpaul1: @cecilialcoelho because you feel like an outsider and not part of the culture #eltchat
9:29 pm Fuertesun: @bcnpaul1 what is brit cult? #eltchat
9:29 pm helenstrong: When I married by German husband I kept my maiden name so that customers would know I'm English. That's the market, I'm afraid. #ELTchat
9:29 pm Fuertesun: @bcnpaul1 or just tank up? #eltchat
9:30 pm helenstrong: Of course I like my name too :-) #ELTchat
9:30 pm bcnpaul1: @Fuertesun I have no idea - good question #eltchat
9:30 pm EdTechUNcon: RT @olafelch: The Shadow Scholar http://bit.ly/dbOwbj (The world of the college cheat) via @ELTane#ELTchat #edchat
9:30 pm cerirhiannon: RT @Fuertesun: @bcnpaul1 what is brit cult? #eltchat > and does it really matter in an ELF context?
9:30 pm hoprea: I guess NNESTs can anticipate problems more easily, but that's something any TEACHER can do, not sth a SPEAKER can do. #ELTChat
9:30 pm PixieAnia: @#ELTChat some NS teach English smwhere in the world so they can travel. NNT want to travel n teach not only in their countries too:)
9:30 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @hoprea: I guess NNESTs can anticipate problems more easily, but that's something any TEACHER can do, not sth a SPEAKER can do. #ELTChat
9:30 pm DaveDodgson: @helenstrong Some female teachers here married to Turks do the same #ELTchat
9:30 pm gret: RT @hoprea: I guess NNESTs can anticipate problems more easily, but that's something any TEACHER can do, not sth a SPEAKER can do. #ELTChat
9:30 pm DinaDobrou: @vickyloras They provide good models but methodology will get sts produce the language themselves. #eltchat
9:30 pm Fuertesun: what about idea that nnests more conscious of grammar? #eltchat
9:30 pm olafelch: RT @bcnpaul1: I tend to tank up on engloish food #eltchat Ahhh...Twiglets, sausage rolls, proper bacon and Theakstons Old Peculiar! #ELTchat
9:30 pm cerirhiannon: RT @hoprea: I guess NNESTs can anticipate problems more easily, but that's something any TEACHER can do, not sth a SPEAKER can do. #ELTChat
9:30 pm wbarboza: @DaveDodgson Mostly because they did not have highly qualified teachers before. Skepticism #ELTchat
9:30 pm lingliziya: #ELTChat I hope I could teach Spanish and French as well as the NNESTs teach English. Very courageous.
9:30 pm hoprea: @DaveDodgson Sigh... still looking forward to my first trip abroad to actually put my English to the test, then. #ELTChat
9:31 pm nutrich: @eannegrenoble well perhaps less 'culture' than 'modern linguistic culture' , although arguably it's not necessary #ELTChat
9:31 pm bcnpaul1: I know it's been said but surely NNESTs are better role models for having a reason to learn #eltchat
9:31 pm Mbarek: currently , there are several Englishes to teach ! :-) Japanese ; Pakistani , Mexican etc what's NS good for ?#ELTchat
9:31 pm europeaantje: @olafelch @cerirhiannon you mean ELK context? #eltchat #eltchat #ELTchat
9:31 pm helenstrong: RT @DaveDodgson: I expect it's done quite often #ELTchat
9:31 pm DaveDodgson: @hoprea Plus, I believe most common problems learners have are not rooted in their L1 #ELTchat
9:31 pm cerirhiannon: RT @Fuertesun: what about idea that nnests more conscious of grammar? #eltchat > is this good or bad? genuine q ;)
9:31 pm bcnpaul1: @olafelch real beer :) #eltchat
9:31 pm europeaantje: RT @Fuertesun: what about idea that nnests more conscious of grammar? #eltchat | of the "rules"
9:31 pm nutrich: @olafelch @bcnpaul1 bang on! Not forgetting fish and chips and pork pies! #ELTChat
9:31 pm Mbarek: RT @cerirhiannon: RT @Fuertesun: what about idea that nnests more conscious of grammar? #eltchat> is this good or bad? genuine q ;)
9:31 pm olafelch: @shaznosel and I think it's important to bring that message across. #ELTchat
9:31 pm cerirhiannon: RT @bcnpaul1: I know it's been said but surely NNESTs are better role models for having a reason to learn #eltchat< and 4 having succeeded
9:32 pm hoprea: @DaveDodgson Which is something NNESTs would probably be better at solving than NESTs... hmm... tricky!! #ELTChat
9:32 pm helenstrong: RT @bcnpaul1: I know it's been said but surely NNESTs are better role models for having a reason to learn #eltchat Why do you say that?
9:32 pm bcnpaul1: @nutrich not missing spain then? #eltchat
9:32 pm nutrich: @cerirhiannon @bcnpaul1 yes, defo. My point earlier : ) #ELTChat
9:32 pm osvetlana: #ELTChat NNESTs here get 5-6 years of training to be teachers, NESTs - several months.
9:32 pm olafelch: @nutrich I'm looking forward to fish and chips tomorrow evening (short trip back to London) #ELTChat
9:32 pm europeaantje: RT @cerirhiannon: RT @Fuertesun: what about idea that nnests more conscious of grammar? #eltchat> is this good or bad? genuine q ;)
9:32 pm PixieAnia: @Mbarek RT - I think that personal & professional backgrounds are more important than being Nt or NNT #eltchat
9:32 pm surreallyno: #ELTChat NNS are immersed in the socio-cultural background. That makes them better at establishing relationships w /students.
9:33 pm bcnpaul1: @helenstrong because they are better examples of what can be achieved through learning the language #eltchat
9:33 pm eannegrenoble: @olafelch #eltchat (third reply! can't get the tag right :-) ENGLISH language no longer culture-bound ...depends who you're teaching
9:33 pm nutrich: @bcnpaul1 a bit, I suppose! But I'm enjoying being back in real pubs! #ELTChat
9:33 pm hoprea: I still have a problem with standards, though. But I truly believe standards can be met by NNESTs and NESTs alike. #ELTChat
9:33 pm cecilialcoelho: Most times u learn yr L1 so naturally, so informally, u can't bother with the grammar. I couldn't teach Portuguese to save my life. #ELTChat
9:33 pm nutrich: @olafelch don't forget the mushy peas! #ELTChat
9:33 pm helenstrong: @bcnpaul1: NESTs can also be role models if they've learned a second language #eltchat
9:34 pm gret: @Mbarek That's another good thing abt speaking same language your students do #ELTChat
9:34 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @helenstrong: @bcnpaul1: NESTs can also be role models if they've learned a second language #eltchat > Agreed. But the STs won't C that
9:34 pm hoprea: @cecilialcoelho Oh, but you are a NPST... LOL :) #ELTChat
9:34 pm olafelch: @eannegrenoble Not sure - I think the culture of the teacher is important (+ it's often what the learner wants) #eltchat
9:34 pm wbarboza: @PixieAnia Good point! You're right! At the end of the day what really matters is our students academic achievement. #ELTchat
9:34 pm cerirhiannon: RT @cecilialcoelho: . I couldn't teach Portuguese to save my life. #ELTChat > yes, you could!
9:34 pm europeaantje: @eannegrenoble on tweetdeck turning on "automatically include hashtags in replies" works wonders #eltchat
9:34 pm bcnpaul1: RT @helenstrong: @bcnpaul1: NESTs can also be role models if they've learned a second language #eltchat > true
9:34 pm helenstrong: @bcnpaul1 Not sure I agree that they are BETTER examples #eltchat
9:35 pm cerirhiannon: RT @bcnpaul1: RT @helenstrong: @bcnpaul1: NESTs can also be role models if they've learned a second language #eltchat > true > v true
9:35 pm olafelch: @nutrich I originally come from the Midlands (not far enough North to understand mushy peas! ) #ELTChat
9:35 pm lingliziya: #ELTChat @cecilialcoelho I only know grammar thanks to learning other languages. I'm picking up grammar as I teach this first year.
9:35 pm nutrich: RT @bcnpaul1: RT @helenstrong: @bcnpaul1: NESTs can also be role models if they've learned a second language #eltchat > true
9:35 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho Neither could I! ;) I doubt I could teach anyone my 'learned' language of Turkish though... #ELTchat
9:35 pm PixieAnia: everyone needs a variety in life. Every student needs a NT and NNT teacher at some point! :) @#eltchat
9:35 pm cecilialcoelho: @cerirhiannon Afraid not... SOmetimes my STs try to refer back to Portuguese what I teach and they ask "is this like...? " #ELTChat
9:35 pm Mbarek: @PixieAnia Are u a native speaker ? :-) #eltchat
9:35 pm cerirhiannon: RT @PixieAnia: everyone needs a variety in life. Every student needs a NT and NNT teacher at some point! :) @#eltchat
9:35 pm cecilialcoelho: @cerirhiannon I neverr know what they are talking about :-P #ELTChat
9:35 pm nutrich: @annapires thanks mate, I survived! #eltchat
9:36 pm nutrich: @olafelch you're missing out, my friend! #ELTChat
9:36 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @PixieAnia: everyone needs a variety in life. Every student needs a NT and NNT teacher at some point! :) @#eltchat
9:36 pm PixieAnia: @Mbarek Definiately not;-) #eltchat
9:36 pm japglish: @PixieAnia yup, I think that is absolutely true #ELTChat
9:36 pm DaveDodgson: @olafelch @nutrich I'm from the Midlands & we got mushy peas. Must be just over the dividing line ;) #ELTchat
9:36 pm DinaDobrou: RT @olafelch: I think it was Peter Medgyes who said, "When a NS makes a mistake it's called creativity. When I make a mistake, it's a mistake." #ELTchat
9:36 pm lingliziya: #ELTChat @cecilialcoelho fortunately I do have a good brain for grammar and I often pre-empt theory before reading it
9:36 pm Mbarek: @gret learners' L1 helps a lot to understand what they mean #ELTChat
9:36 pm cerirhiannon: RT @cecilialcoelho: @cerirhiannon I neverr know what they are talking about :-P #ELTChat > I guess maybe starting point is different w L1
9:36 pm cecilialcoelho: @europeaantje @eannegrenoble The hashtag thing really works...learned it from my friend Guido :-) #eltchat
9:37 pm olafelch: @DaveDodgson Worcester was pretty much mushy pea-free" #ELTchat
9:37 pm Fuertesun: So mother tongue teacher doesn't mean better right?#eltchat
9:37 pm Mbarek: @PixieAnia I satrted learning Eng when I was 15 , too late ! #eltchat
9:37 pm SueannaN: RT @Fuertesun: So mother tongue teacher doesn't mean better right?#eltchat Absolutely right
9:37 pm bcnpaul1: RT @Fuertesun: So mother tongue teacher doesn't mean better right?#eltchat > I don't think so
9:37 pm gret: RT @SueannaN: RT @Fuertesun: So mother tongue teacher doesn't mean better right?#eltchatAbsolutely right
9:37 pm helenstrong: @bcnpaul1 NNESTS. You said NNESTS are better role models. I don't agree #eltchat
9:37 pm cerirhiannon: RT @Fuertesun: So mother tongue teacher doesn't mean better right?#eltchat > doesn't necessarily mean better - neither does NNS either
9:37 pm nutrich: RT @Fuertesun: So mother tongue teacher doesn't mean better right?#eltchat | not in my book!
9:37 pm europeaantje: RT @Fuertesun: So mother tongue teacher doesn't mean better right?#eltchat
9:38 pm cecilialcoelho: @cerirhiannon It's actually kind of embarrassing :-P I really can't remember the names of things they say... #ELTChat
9:38 pm Mbarek: @Fuertesun absolutely not #eltchat
9:38 pm olafelch: @Mbarek Knowing the learners' L1 can be a disadvantage - you allow things that other NNS simply don't understand. #ELTChat
9:38 pm Fuertesun: It means different #eltchat
9:38 pm DaveDodgson: @Fuertesun Just look at all the great non-native teachers in this chat right now for your answer! #ELTchat
9:39 pm SueannaN: RT @DaveDodgson: @Fuertesun Just look at all the great non-native teachers in this chat right now for your answer! #ELTchat
9:39 pm cerirhiannon: when I taught in Hungary NNEST preferred for lower levels in private language school #ELTchat
9:39 pm Fuertesun: Exactly #eltchat
9:39 pm cerirhiannon: RT @DaveDodgson: @Fuertesun Just look at all the great non-native teachers in this chat right now for your answer! #ELTchat > totally!
9:39 pm Fuertesun: RT @cerirhiannon: when I taught in Hungary NNEST preferred for lower levels in private language school #ELTchat
9:39 pm hoprea: @olafelch Hmm... but most teachers usually try much harder than the regular person to understand what learners are saying. #ELTChat
9:39 pm wbarboza: The preconceived idea that one has to be NEST to deliver quality EL lessons still permeates many school settings. #ELTchat
9:39 pm PixieAnia: @Mbarek I started learning Spanish when I was 21, I think it's never too late! ;-) #eltchat
9:39 pm bcnpaul1: @helenstrong a lot obviously depends on the teacher - thought that sts can maybe relate better to NNEST than to a NEST #eltchat
9:39 pm helenstrong: The mother tongue is not the issue. It's the fact that you're interested in languages and have made the effort to learn an L2 #eltchat
9:39 pm lingliziya: #ELTChat @cecilialcoelho that happens to me in English, I can't remember when they ask me in Spanish "what's the English for...?"
9:39 pm olafelch: RT @Fuertesun: So mother tongue teacher doesn't mean better right?#eltchat (They've some in-built advantages, but that doesn't mean better)
9:39 pm Mbarek: @olafelch that may be sometimes true . But it can help you understand what they mean especially in writing #ELTChat
9:39 pm hoprea: RT @wbarboza: The preconceived idea that one has to be NEST to deliver quality EL lessons still permeates many school settings. #ELTChat
9:39 pm europeaantje: RT @cerirhiannon: when I taught in Hungary NNEST preferred for lower levels in private language school #ELTchat | in prax also in our school
9:40 pm DaveDodgson: @cerirhiannon In Turkey, NESTs are often preferred at lower levels, NNESTs work at higher levels (the grammar issue) #ELTchat
9:40 pm Fuertesun: RT @hoprea: RT @wbarboza: The preconceived idea that one has to be NEST to deliver quality EL lessons still permeates many school settings. #ELTChat
9:40 pm wbarboza: However, our role as NNEST is to provide our ELLs w/ the language acquisition experience we've been through. #ELTchat
9:40 pm bcnpaul1: @DaveDodgson that's interesting #eltchat
9:40 pm SueannaN: I think low levels deserve the best teachers - Nest or NNest #ELTChat
9:40 pm hoprea: One of the best Portuguese teachers I had in Brazil at university was an Egyptian lady... #ELTChat
9:40 pm Mbarek: RT @wbarboza: However, our role as NNEST is to provide our ELLs w/ the language acquisition experience we've been through. #ELTchat
9:40 pm cecilialcoelho: NESTs have advantages, NNESTs have advantages. But all of them can be acquired/learned with dedication and drive from the T. #ELTChat
9:40 pm DinaDobrou: @europeaantje @my school we team teach most classes so sts get a bit of both worlds. Seems fair. #eltchat
9:40 pm Mbarek: RT @hoprea: One of the best Portuguese teachers I had in Brazil at university was an Egyptian lady... #ELTChat
9:41 pm cerirhiannon: RT @DaveDodgson: In Turkey, NESTs often preferred at lower levels, NNESTs work at higher levels (the grammar issue) #ELTchat> interesting
9:41 pm olafelch: @hoprea This is also very true. I often tell learners that with certain mistakes, that a non-teacher would have a problem. #ELTChat
9:41 pm cecilialcoelho: Or at least most can be, by most people...Some people can't learn a language no matter how hard they try. #ELTChat
9:41 pm osvetlana: @wbarboza Exactly! #ELTChat
9:41 pm japglish: @hoprea I think the idea that there is a natural and exploitable comm. gap btwn native Ss and NESTs is a powerful one for many Ss #eltchat
9:41 pm gret: RT @SueannaN: I think low levels deserve the best teachers - Nest or NNest #ELTChat
9:41 pm wbarboza: Showing NEST that we can teach their L1 has been my challenge since I began teaching ESL overseas. #ELTchat
9:41 pm nutrich: @DinaDobrou @europeaantje I think that's a decent thing, but requires excellent cooperation! #ELTChat
9:41 pm eannegrenoble: @DaveDodgson #ELTchat - strange - in my dept it's NESTs at higher levels (to get the prepositions right :-)
9:41 pm PixieAnia: @bcnpaul1 @Fuertesun think it's the other way round - NNT doesnt mean worse;-) @#eltchat
9:41 pm cecilialcoelho: @hoprea Same here... My best Portuguese teacher at the uni was a German lady #ELTChat #ELTChat
9:41 pm Fuertesun: Language academies keep the myth of nest is best and large school numbers in public schls #eltchat
9:42 pm DaveDodgson: @bcnpaul1 Tale my current school: Gardes 1-3 are exclusively taught by NESTs; after that NESTs are only used for 'conversation' #ELTchat
9:42 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @gret: RT @SueannaN: I think low levels deserve the best teachers - Nest or NNest #ELTChat
9:42 pm Fuertesun: RT @cecilialcoelho: @hoprea Same here... My best Portuguese teacher at the uni was a German lady #ELTChat #ELTChat
9:42 pm europeaantje: @nutrich @DinaDobrou logistics semm problematic. better maybe to vary teachers over the levels? #ELTChat
9:42 pm hoprea: @japglish Oh, that's for sure. The need for the target language is there from the start, which forces learners to try to use L2. #ELTChat
9:42 pm eannegrenoble: @Fuertesun #eltchat but that's when you're studying the language, not ESP
9:42 pm japglish: @DaveDodgson Interesting reversal of status ?? #eltchat
9:42 pm bcnpaul1: @DaveDodgson is that because they are expected to understand the problems better? #eltchat
9:43 pm vickyloras: RT @SueAnnan I think low levels deserve the best teachers - Nest or NNest #ELTChat
9:43 pm Mbarek: The best teacher I had In Novel at the university was French ! Much better than American teachers there , question of skills #eltchat
9:43 pm helenstrong: RT @DaveDodgson In Turkey, NESTs are often preferred at lower levels, NNESTs work at higher levels #ELTchat Other way round in Germany
9:43 pm cerirhiannon: RT @bcnpaul1: @DaveDodgson is that because they are expected to understand the problems better? #eltchat
9:43 pm europeaantje: RT @DaveDodgson: In Turkey, NESTs often preferred at lower levels, NNESTs work at higher levels (the grammar issue) #ELTchat | surprising!
9:43 pm olafelch: RT @DaveDodgson @bcnpaul1 Tale my current school: Gardes 1-3 are taught by NESTs; after that NESTs are only used for 'conversation' #ELTchat
9:43 pm japglish: @hoprea that's the prob. Ss know this and wnat it because they know they will have to learn Eng. #eltchat
9:43 pm bcnpaul1: @PixieAnia did I say NNT means worse? Didn't mean to say that if I did #eltchat
9:43 pm hoprea: I guess the idea of the NEST as the role model to look up to also comes from the influence of the media. #ELTChat
9:44 pm europeaantje: RT @hoprea I think the idea that there is a natural and exploitable comm. gap btwn native Ss and NESTs is a powerful 1 for many Ss #eltchat
9:44 pm DaveDodgson: @bcnpaul1 @japglish In the old days, there was a grammar test at the end of Grade 5 & a NNEST was viewd as better for prep #ELTchat
9:44 pm DinaDobrou: How about parents insisting on NS cos they want their kids to pick up original accent? #eltchat
9:44 pm nutrich: @europeaantje this is a really interesting point, but unretweetable! and you didn't use #ELTChat !! ; )
9:44 pm wbarboza: At times, NNEST might feel trapped in social cultural factors in class that only a NEST can overcome.#ELTchat
9:44 pm bcnpaul1: @DaveDodgson so it's a grammar thing then! #eltchat
9:44 pm cecilialcoelho: As a NNEST, I have 2 admit I am extra careful w/ some things... Sometimes I fear the way I say things doesn't sound natural enough. #ELTChat
9:44 pm DaveDodgson: @bcnpaul1 @japglish the test is long since gone but the system stays the same! #ELTchat
9:44 pm nutrich: @DinaDobrou what is an 'original' accent? ; ) #ELTChat
9:44 pm olafelch: OK, a question for the NNESTs here: Are there situations where you do feel at a disadvantage? #ELTchat
9:44 pm surreallyno: There is however a problem with NNSTs - s revert to mother tongue in the presence of a NNST. #ELTChat
9:44 pm japglish: @japglish I've known Ss to be just as angry if they find that their NEST speaks Japanese as if the T were a NNEST #ELTChat
9:44 pm SueannaN: @hoprea: I guess the idea of the NEST as the role model #ELTChat works for pronunciation
9:44 pm cecilialcoelho: But then again...natural to whom??? (thinking aloud here) #ELTChat
9:45 pm Mbarek: Ns are certainly better at pronunciation #eltchat
9:45 pm surreallyno: At least in my experience with YLs. #ELTChat
9:45 pm lingliziya: #ELTChat I think that a NNEST should have a good, clear accent, ie intelligible without strain to a native speaker.
9:45 pm cerirhiannon: RT @cecilialcoelho: Sometimes I fear way I say things doesn't sound natural #ELTChat> have seen plenty of NESTs sounding wooden in class
9:45 pm europeaantje: @nutrich sorry? #ELTChat
9:45 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho Perhaps it doesn't sound natural when you are too careful! #ELTchat
9:45 pm nutrich: RT @cecilialcoelho: But then again...natural to whom??? (thinking aloud here) #ELTChat | Exactly!
9:45 pm hoprea: @SueannaN I even agree with that, but that's transferred to all other areas of language learning. #ELTChat
9:45 pm nutrich: @europeaantje your thing about NESTs putting themselves down etc #eltchat
9:45 pm wbarboza: @cecilialcoelho That's so true to me. It's been quite difficult to "sound more naturally" when using local idioms. #ELTchat
9:45 pm olafelch: @Mbarek You obviously haven't heard my Scottish mate here! ;o) #eltchat
9:45 pm DaveDodgson: @bcnpaul1 Oh yes - us NESTs could never teach past simple :p #ELTchat
9:46 pm nutrich: @DaveDodgson @bcnpaul1 the past what? #ELTChat
9:46 pm cerirhiannon: RT @DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho Perhaps it doesn't sound natural when you are too careful! #ELTchat > re overgrading of some novice NESTs
9:46 pm bcnpaul1: @DaveDodgson lol :) #eltchat
9:46 pm hoprea: RT @lingliziya: I think that a NNEST should have a good, clear accent, ie intelligible without strain to a native speaker. #ELTChat
9:46 pm cecilialcoelho: @olafelch I sometimes wonder if a NEST would know evry single vocab thing the STs ask... Sometimes I don't know & I have 2 research #ELTchat
9:46 pm wbarboza: @nutrich I believe to admin and NEST peers.#ELTchat
9:46 pm Fuertesun: @hoprea yes intelligible #ELTChat
9:46 pm Mbarek: @olafelch Really ? S/he must be musing you :-) #eltchat
9:47 pm hoprea: @DaveDodgson Should we get started with the present perfect, then?? :) #ELTChat
9:47 pm SueannaN: @olafelch which One? #eltchat
9:47 pm bcnpaul1: @cecilialcoelho think that's pretty common for everyone #eltchat
9:47 pm cerirhiannon: RT @hoprea: RT @lingliziya: a NNEST should have good, clear accent, intelligible without strain to NS. #ELTChat > NESTs too ;)
9:47 pm Fuertesun: @cecilialcoelho god know I'm loosing my English #ELTchat
9:47 pm nutrich: @cecilialcoelho @olafelch No! And sometimes I just can't bloody remember! But i know it's there somewhere! #ELTChat
9:47 pm olafelch: @nutrich @cecilialcoelho Maybe "neutral" would be a better word? #ELTChat
9:47 pm japglish: @cecilialcoelho Same thing happens to a NEST - the old "look it up for homework" strategy comes in handy #ELTChat
9:47 pm europeaantje: still think NESTS w proper teacher training, cultural sensitivity, willingness to learn L1 preferable to NNEST #eltchat
9:47 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho @olafelch Plenty of vocab I struggled with when teaching advanced level adults - never been any good at crosswords! #ELTchat
9:47 pm helenstrong: RT @cecilialcoelho: sometimes wonder if a NEST would know evry single vocab thing the STs ask. #ELTchat Believe me, we don't!
9:47 pm PixieAnia: @bcnpaul1 You didnt! :-) I just wanted to kind of back up NESTs!;-) sorry for confusion! @#eltchat
9:47 pm Fuertesun: you see that was God NO #eltchat
9:47 pm bcnpaul1: @nutrich past simple - always come up in unit 2!! :) #eltchat
9:47 pm cerirhiannon: RT @helenstrong: RT @cecilialcoelho: sometimes wonder if a NEST would know evry single vocab thing the STs ask. #ELTchat Believe me, we don't!
9:48 pm bcnpaul1: @PixieAnia phew! :) #eltchat
9:48 pm surreallyno: To save you from wondering- they do not know ALL the words :). I asked a NS once and he had no clue - although he was a teacher. #ELTChat
9:48 pm Fuertesun: RT @helenstrong: RT @cecilialcoelho: sometimes wonder if a NEST would know evry single vocab thing the STs ask. #ELTchat Believe me, we don't!
9:48 pm hoprea: @europeaantje What would the difference be between that and a NNEST with excellent command of the language? :) #ELTChat
9:48 pm wbarboza: @helenstrong That's a relief to us, NNESTs. #ELTchat
9:48 pm cecilialcoelho: @japglish I always think they can see through that, so I say I don't know & I'll look it up and bring next class - and always do! #ELTChat
9:48 pm helenstrong: @wbarboza :-) #ELTchat
9:48 pm DaveDodgson: @hoprea We haven't been ready yet ;) #ELTchat
9:48 pm europeaantje: @hoprea the fine points of vocab #ELTChat
9:48 pm eannegrenoble: @olafelch @nutrich #ELTchat @bcnpaul1 so there IS smthg after CH1 then ;-)
9:48 pm cecilialcoelho: @DaveDodgson I am awesome at crosswords... once a geek... #ELTchat
9:49 pm hoprea: @cecilialcoelho The best strategy ever. :) #ELTChat
9:49 pm nutrich: @eannegrenoble @olafelch @bcnpaul1 Yeah, I'm usually sick of the book by then! ; ) #eltchat
9:49 pm bcnpaul1: @eannegrenoble lol :) #eltchat
9:49 pm SueannaN: RT @hoprea: @cecilialcoelho The best strategy ever. :) #ELTChat LOL
9:49 pm europeaantje: @hoprea and pronunciation, and culture #ELTChat
9:49 pm Mbarek: I always tell my students : You don't have to speak like Americans or British people but try to speak fluently #ELTchat
9:49 pm bcnpaul1: RT @nutrich: @eannegrenoble @olafelch @bcnpaul1 Yeah, I'm usually sick of the book by then! ; ) #eltchat >ditto that
9:49 pm wbarboza: What about international certification for NNESTs? How do you NESTs view it? #ELTchat
9:49 pm DinaDobrou: @nutrich @europeaantje True. We're coursebook & supplementary books oriented so we do diff things. #eltchat
9:50 pm europeaantje: RT @wbarboza: What about international certification for NNESTs? How do you NESTs view it? #ELTchat | i´ve got one!
9:50 pm hoprea: @europeaantje Hmm... I see what you mean, but I still believe NNESTs can get there. NESTs have to learn so much, why can't NNESTs? #ELTChat
9:50 pm olafelch: @cecilialcoelho Me too, (though often that's because of my absence from the "home" environment) #ELTchat
9:50 pm wbarboza: @Mbarek I couldn't agree more w/ you. But it all depends where you are. #ELTchat
9:51 pm cecilialcoelho: @europeaantje @wbarboza What certification are you talking about? Proficiency? #ELTchat
9:51 pm olafelch: RT @europeaantje: still think NESTS w proper teacher training, cultural sensitivity, willingness to learn L1 preferable to NNEST #eltchat
9:51 pm eannegrenoble: RT @Mbarek: I always tell my students : You don't have to speak like Americans or British people > I agree with you there #ELTchat
9:51 pm hoprea: @europeaantje I'd have to disagree with the pronunciation bit. I know lots and lots of NNESTs with absolutely perfect pronunciation #ELTChat
9:51 pm nutrich: @DinaDobrou @europeaantje most Ts are NEST or NNEST, but should that be the case? #ELTChat
9:51 pm SueannaN: RT @hoprea: @europeaantje I'd have to disagree with the pronunciation bit. I know lots and lots of NNESTs with absolutely perfect pronunciation #ELTChat
9:51 pm europeaantje: @DinaDobrou we all do different things, have different backgrounds, diff styles, qualities... #eltchat
9:51 pm helenstrong: @wbarboza: What about international certification for NNESTs? #ELTchat There you go classifying yourself again. You're NO DIFFERENT!
9:51 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho I've got worse at doing them since I've been abroad! #ELTchat
9:51 pm Mbarek: @wbarboza I'm in Morocco :-) If that what u mean far from both :-) #ELTchat
9:51 pm wbarboza: @cecilialcoelho Cambridge ESOL examinations: CPE, CAE, TKT, CELTA, DELTA... #ELTchat
9:52 pm wbarboza: @Mbarek GREAT for you! #ELTchat
9:52 pm SandraTweet: @vickyloras True! They know the language but they don´t have any training #ELTChat
9:52 pm surreallyno: @olafelch @europeaantje Proper teaching, cult. sensitivity & willingness to learn - hm, quite a list, don't you think? #ELTChat
9:52 pm cecilialcoelho: @wbarboza I think you have to differentiate language certification from Teaching Certifications #ELTchat
9:52 pm olafelch: @surreallyno Though much worse can be the NNEST who is totally convinced that he knows everything. #ELTChat
9:52 pm Mbarek: @wbarboza What about you , #ELTchat
9:52 pm DaveDodgson: @hoprea @europeaantje And I'm not convinced by the pron argument - why do NESTs still need to do special activities for it then? #ELTchat
9:53 pm PixieAnia: @DaveDodgson NESTs r irreplaceable when it comes to standardisation of YL's pronunciation,useful for the ss' future NNteachers:-) @#ELTchat
9:53 pm vickyloras: RT @hoprea @europeaantje I'd have to disagree with the pronunciation bit. I know lots&lots of NNESTs w/absolutely perfect pron #ELTChat
9:53 pm hoprea: @olafelch Or the NEST, for that matter... #ELTChat
9:53 pm SandraTweet: RT @vickyloras: And how many times have we heard NS say they want to teach bc "they know the lang" when in fact they aren't really into teaching? #ELTChat
9:53 pm olafelch: RT @bcnpaul1: RT @nutrich: @eannegrenoble @olafelch @bcnpaul1 Yeah, I'm usually sick of the book by then! ; ) #eltchat >ditto that (+1)
9:53 pm helenstrong: @europeaantje: NESTS NEED proper teacher training, cultural sensitivity, willingness to learn L2 #eltchat
9:53 pm nutrich: RT @olafelch: @surreallyno Though much worse is the TEACHER who is totally convinced that he knows everything. #ELTChat | slight edit! ; )
9:53 pm bcnpaul1: RT @DaveDodgson: And I'm not convinced by the pron argument - why do NESTs still need to do special activities for it then? #ELTchat
9:53 pm wbarboza: @Mbarek I'm teaching ESL in a primary school in small town in North Carolina, USA #ELTchat
9:53 pm cerirhiannon: RT @nutrich: RT @olafelch: @surreallyno Though much worse is the TEACHER who is totally convinced that he knows everything. #ELTChat | slight edit! ; )
9:53 pm bcnpaul1: RT @helenstrong: @europeaantje: NESTS NEED proper teacher training, cultural sensitivity, willingness to learn L2 #eltchat >agree
9:54 pm Fuertesun: RT @bcnpaul1: RT @helenstrong: @europeaantje: NESTS NEED proper teacher training, cultural sensitivity, willingness to learn L2 #eltchat >agree
9:54 pm europeaantje: @surreallyno long list? that´s why NNESTS get hired LOL #ELTChat
9:54 pm DaveDodgson: @PixieAnia But we also have NNESTs at my school with perfect pronunciation! #ELTchat
9:54 pm surreallyno: @olafelch Certainly. #ELTChat. For the same reason I think both sides have a lot of work ahead - on different levels.
9:54 pm olafelch: @hoprea True, but to be fair to NESTs I haven't met too many knowitalls. #ELTChat
9:55 pm europeaantje: RT @helenstrong: @europeaantje: NESTS NEED proper teacher training, cultural sensitivity, willingness to learn L2 #eltchat | absolutely
9:55 pm helenstrong: RT @DaveDodgson: I'm not convinced by the pron argument - #ELTchat Me neither
9:55 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @olafelch: @hoprea True, but to be fair to NESTs I haven't met too many knowitalls. #ELTChat > Me neither Olaf. :-)
9:55 pm vickyloras: @Sandratweet Exactly,and they see it only as a source of income just bc the "know"the language...and have no idea *how*to teach it! #ELTChat
9:55 pm Mbarek: @wbarboza Great so u' ve got no choice ! #ELTchat
9:55 pm hoprea: Er... I'm sorry, but I think TEACHERS need proper teacher training, cultural sensitivity, willingness to learn and good ppl skills. #ELTChat
9:55 pm helenstrong: RT @olafelch: @hoprea True, but to be fair to NESTs I haven't met too many knowitalls. #ELTChatLucky you!
9:55 pm japglish: @DaveDodgson I don't know anybody with perfect pron, including me! Everybody has an accent. Which one is perfect? Red herring? #ELTChat
9:55 pm cerirhiannon: RT @hoprea: Er... I'm sorry, but I think TEACHERS need proper teacher training, cultural sensitivity, willingness to learn and good ppl skills. #ELTChat
9:55 pm Fuertesun: RT @hoprea: Er... I'm sorry, but I think TEACHERS need proper teacher training, cultural sensitivity, willingness to learn and good ppl skills. #ELTChat
9:56 pm nutrich: RT @hoprea: I'm sorry, but I think TEACHERS need proper training, cultural sensitivity, willingness to learn and good ppl skills. #ELTChat
9:56 pm cerirhiannon: RT @helenstrong: RT @olafelch: @hoprea True, but to be fair to NESTs I haven't met too many knowitalls. #ELTChat Lucky you! > :)
9:56 pm DaveDodgson: @japglish Exactly! #ELTchat
9:56 pm surreallyno: RT @hoprea: Er... I'm sorry, but I think TEACHERS need proper teacher training, cultural sensitivity, willingness to learn and good ppl skills. #ELTChat
9:56 pm olafelch: @nutrich OK. That was my teacher-training experience coming out. I occasionally meet people with scary beliefs about the language. #ELTChat
9:56 pm wbarboza: @Mbarek But I've learned a great deal, though. It's put my ELT to the test everyday. #ELTchat
9:56 pm gret: RT @hoprea: Er... I'm sorry, but I think TEACHERS need proper teacher training, cultural sensitivity, willingness to learn and good ppl skills. #ELTChat
9:56 pm lingliziya: #ELTChat @Mbarek and clearly, please! make an effort to try and do the accent a bit. it's ok to sound foreign, but comprehension is key
9:56 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @japglish: @DaveDodgson Don't know anybody w/ perfect pron, including me! Everybody has an accent. Which one is perfect? #ELTChat >Yes!!
9:57 pm helenstrong: RT @hoprea: I'm sorry, but I think TEACHERS need proper teacher training, ... #ELTChat Yes, was just contradicting that only NNESTS need it
9:57 pm europeaantje: @cecilialcoelho @japglish @DaveDodgson but some accents are authentic & others are foreign #ELTChat
9:57 pm harrisonmike: Ken Wilson on NEST vs NNEST here: http://bit.ly/1CtDGZ via @kenwilsonlondon #eltchat
9:57 pm nutrich: @olafelch there's so much to have beliefs about, that there are so many differences, feelings run high over grammar for god's sake! #eltchat
9:57 pm SueannaN: RT @europeaantje: @cecilialcoelho @japglish @DaveDodgson but some accents are authentic & others are foreign #ELTChat >Cat and Pigeons?
9:57 pm olafelch: RT @harrisonmike: Ken Wilson on NEST vs NNEST here: http://bit.ly/1CtDGZ via @kenwilsonlondon#eltchat
9:57 pm cerirhiannon: RT @europeaantje: @cecilialcoelho @japglish @DaveDodgson some accents are authentic & others are foreign #ELTChat > all are authentic? ;)
9:57 pm DaveDodgson: @europeaantje @cecilialcoelho @japglish Nowt wrong with a foriegn accent! #ELTchat
9:57 pm Fuertesun: @europeaantje is RP the only way to go? #ELTChat
9:58 pm fionamau: RT @hoprea: I'm sorry,bt I think TEACHERS need proper teacher trainin, cultural sensitivity, willingness 2 learn & good ppl skills. #ELTChat
9:58 pm cecilialcoelho: @europeaantje @japglish @DaveDodgson I've had NESTs say I had an accent & I've had them say I didn't have 1. Now I just don't care #ELTChat
9:58 pm PixieAnia: @DaveDodgson @#ELTchat I don't underestimate NNESTS, its just beneficial 4Ss to get exposure to NEST. So we're -NT n NNT -needed equally:-)
9:58 pm Fuertesun: @DaveDodgson My spanish one is great! NOT #ELTchat
9:58 pm wbarboza: @europeaantje and many others have strong dialectal influences that puzzles any ELT. #ELTchat
9:58 pm Mbarek: @lingliziya I haven't heard you speaking , I hope #ELTChat
9:58 pm japglish: @europeaantje Am not sure "authentic" counts for much now. E.g. Indian guy worked with in UAE - L1 English speaker w/ str. accent #ELTchat
9:58 pm hoprea: Accents aren't the problem... some pronunciation mistakes are. #ELTChat
9:58 pm DinaDobrou: @olafelch Not when I've prepared in advance. But on short notice, yes, I feel at a disadvantage. #eltchat
9:58 pm cecilialcoelho: @harrisonmike Thanks for the reference Mike! #eltchat
9:58 pm nutrich: RT @hoprea: Accents aren't the problem... some pronunciation mistakes are. #ELTChat
9:59 pm cerirhiannon: RT @DaveDodgson: @europeaantje @cecilialcoelho @japglish Nowt wrong with a foreign accent! #ELTchat > some v sexy accents that aren't NS ;)
9:59 pm surreallyno: At the end of the day...students decide. And their academic achievement. *giggles@ the war here* #ELTChat
9:59 pm gret: RT @hoprea: Accents aren't the problem... some pronunciation mistakes are. #ELTChat
9:59 pm olafelch: @nutrich True, but the only times I've been told that I was fundamentally wrong (which I wasn't as it happens) were by NNESTs. #eltchat
9:59 pm cerirhiannon: RT @cecilialcoelho: @europeaantje @japglish @DaveDodgson I've had NESTs say I had an accent & I've had them say I didn't have 1. Now I just don't care #ELTChat
9:59 pm wbarboza: @fionamau "Who dares to teach [ESL/EFL] must never cease to learn." - John Cotton Dana #ELTchat
9:59 pm lingliziya: #ELTChat on the topic of accent, NNS accents are lovely. No need to eliminate your accent as long as it's comprehensible.
9:59 pm SueannaN: RT @hoprea: Accents aren't the problem... some pronunciation mistakes are. #ELTChat > I agree very much with this
9:59 pm Mbarek: RT @hoprea: Accents aren't the problem... some pronunciation mistakes are. #ELTChat
9:59 pm helenstrong: RT @cerirhiannon: Nowt wrong with a foreign accent! #ELTchat > some v sexy accents that aren't NS ;) Indeed, love the French!
9:59 pm cecilialcoelho: I'd rather no one ever listens to me speaking English right after I visit Kansas... that Southern drwal is a killer #ELTChat
9:59 pm DaveDodgson: @cerirhiannon And some sexy ones that are native as well ;) #ELTchat
10:00 pm nutrich: @olafelch tough argument, eh?! #eltchat
10:00 pm hoprea: OK, new question then. A NEST and a NNEST and one beginner and another advanced group. Who gets what? #ELTChat
10:00 pm bcnpaul1: RT @SueannaN: RT @hoprea: Accents aren't the problem... some pronunciation mistakes are. #ELTChat > I agree very much with this
10:00 pm japglish: @DaveDodgson ... and then there's brummie ... #ELTChat
10:00 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho Had a joke in my head but couldn't transcribe it into typed text ;) #ELTchat
10:00 pm eannegrenoble: @DaveDodgson #ELTchat Nowt wrong with a foriegn accent - except when we all have the same one and understand each other see@olafelch
10:00 pm olafelch: @DinaDobrou That may be a good point. NESTs are sometimes better at winging it (which is something we shouldn't do anyway!) #eltchat
10:00 pm europeaantje: RT @hoprea: OK, new question then. A NEST and a NNEST and one beginner and another advanced group. Who gets what? #ELTChat | @DaveDodgson?
10:00 pm nutrich: In terms of pron I think the stress timing can be an issue, sometimes makes it v. difficult to understand when it's wrong #eltchat
10:00 pm vickyloras: RT @SueAnnan RT @hoprea: Accents aren't the problem... some pronunciation mistakes are. #ELTChat> I agree very much with this
10:01 pm cerirhiannon: RT @olafelch: @nutrich only times I've been told that I was fundamentally wrong were by NNESTs. #eltchat> rings true! but NESTs do it too
10:01 pm cecilialcoelho: @hoprea I'd give beginner to NNS, advanced to NS. Without a second thought. #ELTChat
10:01 pm olafelch: @nutrich You#re telling me! #eltchat
10:01 pm DaveDodgson: @europeaantje @hoprea Does it really make a difference? #ELTchat
10:01 pm lingliziya: @Mbarek #ELTChat I'm a Scouser, that means from Liverpool and I wasn't talking about ur accent. I love accents.
10:01 pm cecilialcoelho: @DaveDodgson Pun??? You can always record it and send ;-) #ELTchat
10:01 pm japglish: @nutrich I read somewhere that word stress misplacement caused more comp probs than sounds #eltchat
10:01 pm bcnpaul1: RT @cecilialcoelho: @hoprea I'd give beginner to NNS, advanced to NS. Without a second thought. #ELTChat why?
10:02 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho Southern drawl ma'am #ELTchat
10:02 pm cerirhiannon: RT @helenstrong: RT #ELTchat > some v sexy accents that aren't NS ;) Indeed, love the French! > & Italian, & panish & Brazilian ... ;)
10:02 pm wbarboza: @nutrich I would also add that vowel sounds are key for avoiding communicative issues. #ELTchat
10:02 pm Fuertesun: @bcnpaul1 I'd say depends on teacher and their skills prefrences #ELTChat
10:02 pm nutrich: @japglish yep, I've read that too. I agree. Our ears are trained to pick that up and when it's wrong it's weird #eltchat
10:02 pm bcnpaul1: RT @Fuertesun: @bcnpaul1 I'd say depends on teacher and their skills prefrences #ELTChat > i'd agree
10:02 pm olafelch: @cerirhiannon I'm sure they do. I'm only railing against a certain type of colleague! ;o) #eltchat
10:02 pm PixieAnia: @hoprea that's true... - NNT should have NT friends so they get the exposure as well! I mean it :-) @#ELTChat
10:03 pm cerirhiannon: RT @DaveDodgson: @cerirhiannon And some sexy ones that are native as well ;) #ELTchat > LOL! too right :)
10:03 pm cecilialcoelho: @bcnpaul1 Coz the NNS will better predict difficulties, relate more to the beginning of it. NSs are usually great at conversation.. #ELTChat
10:03 pm SueannaN: @japglish It's often a case of having muscles already used to particular L1 vowel pronunciation #eltchat
10:03 pm nutrich: @wbarboza yep, vowels are also a biggie, I agree #ELTChat
10:03 pm cerirhiannon: @olafelch #eltchat sympathising and extending :)
10:03 pm helenstrong: RT @cerirhiannon: #ELTchat > Indeed, love the French! > & Italian, & panish & Brazilian ... ;) All of them really ;-)
10:03 pm cecilialcoelho: @bcnpaul1 ... fluency and vocabulary. Of course I am talking stereotupes here, and general settings. It all depends on the Ts #ELTChat
10:03 pm olafelch: Great session everyone. Hope you all got as much out of it as I did! #ELTchat
10:03 pm hoprea: @PixieAnia I couldn't agree more. Heck, even NESTs need their native friends around if they don't want to get rusty. :) #ELTChat
10:03 pm DaveDodgson: All this talk of NESTs & NNESTs has led to me to shameful self-promotion of a video I madehttp://youtu.be/DQy4be499C0 :D #ELTchat
10:03 pm japglish: @nutrich (and on the quiet, I've also read that Ts can teach pron until they're blue in the face, without affecting Ss) #eltchat
10:04 pm bcnpaul1: @cecilialcoelho do you think there are some aspects of a language that a NS is better at teaching though (at higher lvel) #eltchat
10:04 pm eannegrenoble: @strange things accents #eltchat - I hate hearing an English person speaking French - I'm as bad as the students - but Fr accent in Eng fine
10:04 pm Fuertesun: @cecilialcoelho mmmm not sure what about I'm nest and great with beginners? #ELTChat
10:04 pm cerirhiannon: RT @helenstrong: RT @cerirhiannon: #ELTchat >love the French! > & Italian, & panish & Brazilian ... ;) All of them really ;-)> yup!
10:04 pm japglish: @SueAnnan yup, and we may have to accept that some Ss will never develop those muscles #eltchat
10:04 pm nutrich: At a school I worked at a Scottish teacher was eventually asked to leave coz he couldn't grade his lang and soften his accent! #eltchat
10:04 pm hoprea: @bcnpaul1 @cecilialcoelho I've seen great CPE teachers who are NNESTs and also NESTs. #ELTChat
10:04 pm helenstrong: RT @eannegrenoble: #eltchat - I hate hearing an English person speaking French but Fr accent in Eng fine. Me too, strange that!
10:04 pm SueannaN: @japglish I think they can if the teacher understands the reason #eltchat
10:04 pm cecilialcoelho: @Fuertesun If I had a NS that I knew was great with beginners, then it would be her/him... There are no ready-made formulas #ELTChat
10:05 pm nutrich: @japglish sshh! Don't tell! #eltchat
10:05 pm wbarboza: Thank you for such a phenomenal and yet intriguing tweets! Have a good one! #ELTchat
10:05 pm japglish: @SueAnnan and why should they? I have deliberately held on to my terribly ugly London accent as an Identity thing #eltchat
10:05 pm SandraTweet: @vickyloras I see many of them in Buenos Aires, Sometimes people think they are better teachers just bec they are native speakers #ELTChat
10:05 pm bcnpaul1: RT @hoprea: @bcnpaul1 @cecilialcoelho I've seen great CPE teachers who are NNESTs and also NESTs. #ELTChat exactly - depends on the teacher
10:05 pm fionamau: RT @wbarboza: @nutrich vowel sounds r key 4 avoiding communic. #ELTchat - r u familiar w Robin Walker's work on ELF fr Spanish speakers?
10:06 pm wbarboza: Typos: Thank you for such phenomenal and yet intriguing tweets! Have a good one! #ELTchat
10:06 pm helenstrong: RT @japglish: I have deliberately held on to my terribly ugly London accent as an Identity thing #eltchatMe too. I'm a Geordie in Germany
10:06 pm nutrich: I propose we all try to be NRTs - Non-Rubbish Teachers! #eltchat
10:06 pm gret: RT @bcnpaul1: RT @hoprea: @bcnpaul1 @cecilialcoelho I've seen great CPE teachers who are NNESTs and also NESTs. #ELTChat exactly - depends on the teacher
10:06 pm lingliziya: @nutrich oh dear, poor guy. but surely his students would have been the best at listening? :) #ELTChat
10:06 pm Fuertesun: @wbarboza night! #ELTchat
10:06 pm SueannaN: @japglish I try to speak French like the French, I don't mind having my Scottish accent when spking English #eltchat
10:06 pm helenstrong: Sometimes my students have a "nicer" accent than I do! #eltchat
10:06 pm DinaDobrou: @nutrich Maybe sth that doesn't sound GRRReek? ;) they think nnests aren't capable of a native-Luke accent. #eltchat
10:06 pm bcnpaul1: RT @nutrich: I propose we all try to be NRTs - Non-Rubbish Teachers! #eltchat > nice, I second that
10:06 pm japglish: @helenstrong I think learners feel the same - fine line between communicativeness and identity theft #eltchat
10:06 pm eannegrenoble: RT @nutrich: I propose we all try to be NRTs - Non-Rubbish Teachers! #eltchat - hear hear -
10:06 pm Fuertesun: RT @nutrich: I propose we all try to be NRTs - Non-Rubbish Teachers! #eltchat YES GREAT IDEA NRT's
10:07 pm SueannaN: RT @nutrich: I propose we all try to be NRTs - Non-Rubbish Teachers! #eltchat
10:07 pm nutrich: @fionamau @wbarboza No, thanks for the reference. I'll check out the name. Anything in particular? #eltchat
10:07 pm cerirhiannon: RT @bcnpaul1: RT @nutrich: I propose we all try to be NRTs - Non-Rubbish Teachers! #eltchat > nice, I second that > like it :)
10:07 pm japglish: RT @bcnpaul1: RT @nutrich: I propose we all try to be NRTs - Non-Rubbish Teachers! #eltchat > nice, I second that > thirded
10:07 pm wbarboza: @nutrich Yeah! NRT it is! :0). #ELTchat
10:07 pm PixieAnia: @DaveDodgson @#ELTChat the video is amazing! http://youtu.be/DQy4be499C0
10:07 pm gret: RT @bcnpaul1: RT @nutrich: I propose we all try to be NRTs - Non-Rubbish Teachers! #eltchat > nice, I second that
10:07 pm cecilialcoelho: It all depends on the teacher as usual. #ELTChat
10:07 pm Fuertesun: Goodnight to all you NRTs #eltchat
10:07 pm europeaantje: @fionamau @cerirhiannon second time I see ELF acronym crop up. stands for....? #ELTchat #ELTchat
10:07 pm cerirhiannon: RT @cecilialcoelho: It all depends on the teacher as usual. #ELTChat > totally, the teacher and the person
10:08 pm nutrich: @lingliziya yeah! but only to a very strong accent that not even I could understand half the time! #ELTChat
10:08 pm SueannaN: @europeaantje English as a LIngua Franca #ELTchat #ELTchat
10:08 pm olafelch: RT @cerirhiannon: RT @cecilialcoelho: It all depends on the teacher as usual. #ELTChat > totally, the teacher and the person
10:08 pm lingliziya: @nutrich i try, though not sure trying is enough! #ELTChat
10:08 pm japglish: @SueAnnan and I think that works for many people but am sure there are a lot of psycho issues for many around pron #ELTchat
10:08 pm wbarboza: @fionamau Thanks for the reference, too! #ELTchat
10:08 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho But does everybody connected to ELT know & undertsand that? #ELTchat
10:08 pm eannegrenoble: @europeaantje #ELTchat English as a Lingua Franca - my type for scientists
10:08 pm cerirhiannon: @europeaantje @fionamau #ELTchat ELF = English as a a Lingua Franca
10:08 pm fionamau: @nutrich Am trying to track down Robin's main articles + list of pron priorities. They're GREAT for making pron classes relevant #eltchat
10:08 pm bcnpaul1: RT @cecilialcoelho: It all depends on the teacher as usual. #ELTChat > always :)

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